Hey Ralph,<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 10/24/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Ralph Giles</b> <<a href="mailto:giles@xiph.org">giles@xiph.org</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
On Tue, Oct 24, 2006 at 01:53:10PM -0700, Charles Iliya Krempeaux wrote:<br><br>> Hello Ralph,<br><br>Hi Charles. Bumping into you in several places lately. :)</blockquote><div><br>I get around :-)<br> </div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
> >From what I remember hearing (on the RSS Public mailing list --<br>> <a href="http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-public/">http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rss-public/</a> )... the "+" thing was
<br>> considered a hack. And it was intended to be a one-time hack... only for<br>> XML.<br><br>Ok, thanks for the explaination. Interesting that the file browsers are<br>using it. I found a bunch of bugs where other software had to be updated
<br>to handle the new type (as a literal, not a parsed description) but not<br>the original reasoning for it.<br><br>Note that we are using audio/x-vorbis audio/x-speex and video/x-theora<br>in the RTP payload drafts. That's a different container with only one
<br>media type per stream, and it's important to know the actual codec, not<br>just the disposition.<br><br>> > <a href="http://www.advogato.org/article/852.html">http://www.advogato.org/article/852.html</a><br>>
<br>> I wrote that.... So... yeah that's a good proposal :-)<br><br>Haha, oops. Sorry I didn't recognize your nick.<br><br>> I also wrote this related proposal too...<br>><br>> <a href="http://maketelevision.com/log/rss_and_atom_feed_auto-discovery_for_internet_tv">
http://maketelevision.com/log/rss_and_atom_feed_auto-discovery_for_internet_tv</a><br><br>Thanks for the link. That seems a reasonable abuse for video rss<br>feeds, and I guess you could use media="screen" for slides, but
<br>what do you do for audio?</blockquote><div><br>For audio I believe something would have to made up. (I have yet to see any specification mentioning anything appropriate for it.) "radio" seems like a reasonable label (for audio) given we already have "tv" (for video).
<br><br>BTW, media="screen" is the default. So, if you put nothing you get it automatically. Normal text based webpages are considered media="screen". <br><br>My interpretation is media="screen" is meant for things that are suppose to be "read". Which media="tv" is meant for things that are meant to be "watched". And then media="radio" would be for things that are meant to be "listened to".
<br></div><br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">> A free form typing system where defacto standard could emerge.<br><br>
Yes, "folksonomy" tagging would work about as well here in practice.<br>Will be interesting to see if a standards-oriented body like the IETF<br>ever ratifies something like that.</blockquote><div><br>IMO, it would be pretty cool if they did. (Note sure if the majority of web developers would take to it. But it would be interesting to give it a try.)
<br><br>I think though that we'd probaby have to have people already using some non-IETF format for this before the IETF would create a specification for it. (Mainly because without existng usage, the people at the IETF would probably not see a need for it.) (Although this is just me subjective perception of things, and by no means fact.).
<br><br>Kind of like without the existance of and widespread usage of RSS, the IETF probably would not have accepted Atom being created through it.<br><br><br>Maybe we should create a new HTTP header in the vein of the HTML class attribute. Maybe something like "
<span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">X-Class</span>". And we could have stuff like...<br><br><span style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">HTTP/1.1 200 OK</span><br style="font-family: courier new,monospace;">
<span style="font-family: courier new,monospace; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 51);">X-Class: video, r-rated, sci-fi, 640x480, ogg, theora</span><br><br><br><br>[...]<br></div></div><br><br>See ya<br clear="all"><br>--
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