[theora] Theora and WeBM support in Firefox and Opera

[Philip Jägenstedt]

Can you please see if you can still get Opera to freeze in the latest
build: http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2010/06/30/opera-10-60-rc3

Philip

On Tue, Jun 29, 2010 at 16:26, dos386 <dos386 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I did some tests:
>
> ### Theora support in Firefox 3.7a (missnamed as "Minefield"):
>
> Same as since 3.5 (plays, no controls if Javascript off, no thorough
> retest of buffering issues).
>
> http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theora/2010-January/003369.html
>
> http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=449358
>
> ### WeBM support in Firefox 3.7a
>
> Seems to play (controls bug of course also there) and download :-) if
> one finally finds a page having WeBM at all.
>
> ### Theora support in Opera 10.60b1
>
> Same as since 10.50bxx - not only it doesn't play, it "hangs" on pages
> having Theora videos (mouse wheel dead, links dead - can't click
> them).
>
> Philipp wrote:
>
>>>> Please be sure to report any bugs at http://bugs.opera.com/ and we will look at them.
>>> It requires an account
>> Try https://bugs.opera.com/wizard/
>
> Oops not done, should I re-report it now ?
>
> ### WeBM support in Opera 10.60b1
>
> Well, it seems to work (despite Theora bug) and controls are there
> even if Javascript off :-)
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ### WeBM support in YouTube and Internet
>
> The obsession is high (many pages about the thing, most opinions
> positive to very positive), but lack of working examples. Even worse,
> most of such pages "offer" videos or link to video pages doing nothing
> or "You must enable Javascript and download latest Flash player" ...
>
> http://www.youtube.com/
> http://www.youtube.com/html5
>
> It doesn't work. Either the page doesn't load, it doesn't find any
> videos, or switches immediately back to the old "You must enable
> Javascript and download latest Flash player" ... Where are all the new
> videos in WeBM format ???
>
> http://www.opera.com/press/video/
>
> Only "You must enable Javascript and download latest Flash player" ???
>
> WtF AWARD: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/theora/2009-April/002108.html
>
> Video recommendations: many pages about the thing, typical content:
>
> "You must support both X264 and at least one of Theora or WeBM, and
> additionally a Flash fallback for users having no HTML5 support at
> all"
>
> 1. Providing the very same video 3 or 4 times pulls all the codec
> efficiency discussions ("Theora is obsolete crap") into the absurdity.
> If Theora is inferior to X264 at all, then very very marginally, while
> this idea instantly increases the space consumption by just factor 3
> or 4. Also the excessive wrapping of Flash on existing video pages
> probably doesn't really save server space nor network transfer
> capacity.
>
> 2. Why the Flash fallback? I've never seen any non-Flash fallback on
> Youtube or any such "video" page.
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Philip Jägenstedt