<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Oct 2, 2008 at 12:07 AM, Jean-Marc Valin <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jean-marc.valin@usherbrooke.ca">jean-marc.valin@usherbrooke.ca</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
Tom Grandgent a écrit :<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d">> If you remove the project files, I doubt it's going to make things easier<br>
> for anyone. You'll probably just increase the number of questions as<br>
> people struggle to compile using less common and less user-friendly<br>
> methods, and someone is going to have to maintain that anyway.<br>
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</div>And how is having out-of-date project files help.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> VS users want VS project files. Plenty of open-source projects provide<br>
> them. It's not that hard.<br>
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</div>It is. I have *one* set of autotools files (and by no means do I praise<br>
autotools) and they work got dozens of platforms, including x86/Linux,<br>
ARM, Blackfin, Mac, ... Yet, for the single platform that is Win32, I<br>
need half a dozen sets of files because of all compiler versions under<br>
the sun, it's just plain ridiculous.</blockquote><div>That's why Alex and I have thought about a configure feature that produces visual studio project files... The thing is, visual studio is so complex, it's hard to abstract it out.</div>
<div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;"><div class="Ih2E3d">> There's no way to get them up-to-date? That's<br>
> ridiculous. All it takes is someone who knows Speex, knows the compiler,<br>
> and has some motivation to do it.<br>
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</div>And that's the problem. I've had several people "in charge" of<br>
maintaining the project files. They are still out-of-date at least half<br>
the time. I don't blame them -- lack of time, no access to some compiler<br>
versions, ... It's just a mess.<br>
<div class="Ih2E3d"><br>
> You just replied to two such people.<br>
> Must you be that dismissive of their offers to help?<br>
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</div>I don't dismiss their good intentions. I'm just saying it's so much of a<br>
mess that in the end, project files tend to be broken more often than<br>
not. That's why I'm asking for an alternative -- less painful -- method.<br>
Speex should be simple to build. A small shell script could do it if<br>
there's a command-line compiler.</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I definitely like the idea, but then there are many folks that want to integrate speex as a project build dependency in their visual studio projects.. I think that may be where things get tricky.</div>
<div><br></div><div>And Alex has told me that visual studio-built projects cannot link with mingw-win32-gcc produced DLLs... *sigh* -- I was trying to push for getting a mingw build of our VOIP stuff (sipxtapi), but then Alex brought that up, and since many of the users of sipxtapi are on windows and want to integrate with their own visual-studio-built projects, it was not possible...</div>
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> Tom<br>
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> Jean-Marc Valin <<a href="mailto:jean-marc.valin@usherbrooke.ca">jean-marc.valin@usherbrooke.ca</a>> wrote:<br>
>> Hi,<br>
>><br>
>> Is is possible to have makefiles, batchfiles, whatever that just calls<br>
>> the command-line compilers and doesn't require this huge amount of<br>
>> per-compiler-version crap? Otherwise, I'm seriously considering removing<br>
>> all those project files from the build since time has proven there's<br>
>> just no way to get them up-to-date.<br>
>><br>
>> Jean-Marc<br>
>><br>
>> Alexander Chemeris a écrit :<br>
>>> Hello,<br>
>>><br>
>>> On Wed, Oct 1, 2008 at 8:29 PM, Kerry Bonin <<a href="mailto:kerry@vscape.com">kerry@vscape.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>>> - Anyone else see this?<br>
>>>> - Who maintains the Win32 projects (at least the VS2005)? I'd be happy<br>
>>>> to work with to solve.<br>
>>>> - If nobody is actively maintaining this build, I'd be glad to fix and<br>
>>>> contribute back.<br>
>>> I'm currently listed as a Win32 build system maintainer, but I prefer not<br>
>>> to take discussions off the list.<br>
>>> In my day-to-day development I use VS2003 and have VS2005 only on<br>
>>> dedicated VM, and I havn't experienced any of these problems. Probably<br>
>>> that's because VM is allowed to use only one core. I'd be glad to work<br>
>>> with you on these problems and I'll ask my co-workers with VS2005<br>
>>> to test build on real hardware instead of VM. If you have any ideas<br>
>>> or patches to solve this problem - post them here.<br>
>>><br>
>>>> - On the SVN vs. GIT query above, are these still synched? We use SVN<br>
>>>> for rest of project, so including via svn external is very convenient,<br>
>>>> nice to know if valid...<br>
>>> I think SVN version is now a little bit outdated. Though build system<br>
>>> has not diverged too much yet. That's very sad Jean-Marc decided<br>
>>> to drop SVN maintenance, it was very handy to use it in large<br>
>>> svn-backed projects.<br>
>>><br>
>>>> Just wanted to touch base with the list before I burnt time tracking<br>
>>>> down Microsoft issues, in case there are any simpler fixes for this I<br>
>>>> missed in mailing list archives and google...<br>
>>> I believe you're the first to report these issues.<br>
>>><br>
>>><br>
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