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Hello Ivo:<br><br>
One more from me and I suppose a retort by you and that's it ... no flame
war please. Let's see if we can keep this discussion objective.<br><br>
I've had enough life experience to have seen and heard the mistakes
you've made many times. Point by point:
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<li>This is a tech list that I joined a number of years ago because of a
serious intent to use the Speex product in my business (not TSC). I
didn't join it simply and nihilistically to bash the author.
<li>You and I have always had the right to speak freely ... and there are
always consequences to what we say. Jean made an error in injecting
political rhetoric into his answer to Thomas Leigh. And, yes, that's
Business 101. I now choose to probably not use the product because I
choose not to support anti free market thinking.
<li>Free Market is not an American Capitalist "buzz word" as
you pejoratively and dismissively put it. It is, in fact, the essential
characteristic of a very good system called Capitalism.
<li>You note that Xiph.Org Foundation is a non-profit organization
presumably to elevate its agenda to some worldly wonderful purpose ... as
if to say "our work is so profoundly important to humanity, that we
forego profit". Non-profit is a tax term meant to gain subsidy from
governments in the form of tax exemption. And we taxpayers pay for that
subsidy. No, Speex is not a Communist "plot", as you
sardonically put it. It is simply socialistically funded. An organization
declares that it has no profits by completely distributing any revenues
to its members and paying for services to its suppliers. Now I don't
claim to know anything about Xiph's accounting, but we do know that it
has expenses that must be covered.
<li>Now let's deal with who pays for Open Source because it is certainly
not free. I believe Jean (and you) do eat everyday and you and he pay for
living quarters. In fact, you do get paid for your work as does he. You
either are recipients of grants or welfare (same thing), or you do your
work on "company time" while the boss is not watching, or the
boss knowingly pays for your work and passes that expense onto his
customers (after all, he must make profit to pay his living expenses).
<li>And finally ... how and why did Open Source come to be? I'm sure you
must lament everyday the notion that Microsoft is the epitome of
Capitalist success. Concomitantly, it must therefore be destroyed! Right?
Open Source is an anti Microsoft religion practiced by people who hold
these views and their "profit" beyond money income is knowing
that they are soldiers in this profoundly important movement (sorry,
couldn't resist sarcastically poking a bit of fun).
</ul>Enjoy. Have a nice life.<br><br>
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At 10:55 PM 8/31/2007 +0100, Ivo Emanuel Gonçalves wrote:<br>
<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite="">Hello Mr Loebel, > that's
business 101 Speex is a not business, nor is Jean-Marc selling a
product. The Xiph.Org Foundation, of which Jean-Marc is a member
with his Speex project, is a non-profit organization. > Speex may be a
very good product, but we will never use it because of > the politics
that you espouse If you would like to pay for a special US$1000 Speex
license, I'm sure Jean-Marc will be glad to provide you with one. >
some of us out here believe strongly in the free market. I believe
"Free Market" is an American capitalist buzz word. Jean-Marc is
Canadian. Regardless, I'm sure he strongly believes in free speech, which
means he may humoristically dismiss Microsoft's product and make fun of
it publicly. It's not going to affect Microsoft's sells, positively or
negatively. There will always be those who will look with suspicion
towards a free gift. And there are those who understood that Speex
is a better format and will not join a technical mailing list to bash the
project's author for no reason other than bashing the project's author.
> the rantings of left wing academics who typically have no > real
world business experience! You confuse me, Mr Loebel. It appears
you believe Speex is some sort of communist plot, or did I understand you
wrong? > The Tech Startup Connection > (formerly The PARALLEL
Processing Connection) I wish the best of luck towards your company,
which means serious business. I'm sure it will be greatly relevant
in the free market you speak of, because its Executive Director, who
writes e-mail messages like a 16 year old, knows all there is about
marketing and establishing a company's reputation. My best regards, Ivo
Emanuel Gonçalves </blockquote>
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