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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi Rob<BR><BR>The stream format has nothing to do
with your audio files. I probably <BR>have 70% MP3's and 30% Ogg Vorbis
files, and 1 or 2 WAV files for <BR>jingles on my hard drive. I only
encode new CD's to Ogg Vorbis.<BR><BR>But my station is streaming in AAC+
format, and I have also streamed in <BR>Ogg Vorbis format simultaneously.
There is no way I would bother <BR>streaming in MP3 format. It's 15+ year
old technology and not designed <BR>for streaming at low bitrates. It
sounds like crap at anything below <BR>112k. Whereas 28k AAC+ sounds
pretty good in hifi stereo, and this <BR>bitrate means it's available to dial-up
internet users.<BR><BR>Here is my 28k AAC+ world music stream if you are
interested. It requires</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://shell.world-net.co.nz/~rlevis/winamp521_full.exe"
target=_blank><FONT face=Arial size=2>Winamp v5</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2> or </FONT><A href="http://www.foobar2000.org/"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Foobar2000</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> or </FONT><A
href="http://www.un4seen.com/download.php?xmplay33"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>XMPlay</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> or </FONT><A
href="http://www.screamer-radio.com/"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Screamer</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> or </FONT><A
href="http://www.videolan.org/vlc"><FONT face=Arial size=2>VLC for
Mac/Linux</FONT></A></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><A href="http://soulfm.stationplaylist.com/listen.m3u"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://soulfm.stationplaylist.com/listen.m3u</FONT></A><BR><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>Ross.<BR></DIV></FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>----- Original Message ----- </FONT>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Rob Campbell" <</FONT><A
href="mailto:rob@rob-campbell.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>rob@rob-campbell.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>To: <</FONT><A
href="mailto:icecast@xiph.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>icecast@xiph.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 4:13
AM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP?
icecast2 ices0</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>I only have mp3s and it doesn't make sense to me to change all of
them<BR>to ogg. My MDA(windows mobile phone) plays mp3s with no
problem. It<BR>uses them as ringtones. Its more widely used in my
circles. Why would<BR>I and everyone else want to switch to ogg?
What is the benefit? Why<BR>the shun on mp3? And I can stream at 64
and 32 which is great for those<BR>streams that will get a lot of
listeners. This is being done on a cable<BR>upload which isn't that
impressive and not for commercial use so sound<BR>quality isn't "needed" but I
could stream higher for special friends if<BR>I wanted. But if all of this
is and has been available with mp3; why<BR>switch?<BR><BR>On Wed, 2006-10-04 at
00:03 +1300, Ross Levis wrote:<BR>> I can understand wanting to boost the
adoption of Xiph codecs, but I<BR>> think restricting the directory to vorbis
streams only will not help<BR>> this endeavour. I can imagine it will
just piss a lot of people,<BR>> including myself, and give Xiph a bad
name.<BR>> <BR>> I get very few listeners of my AAC+ stream now
since this occured.<BR>> The restriction is not an insentive to switch to Ogg
Vorbis at all.<BR>> The incentive is to switch from Icecast to Shoutcast,
which I'm still<BR>> seriously considering, but I was waiting and hoping for
this fix to be<BR>> done so the restriction could be lifted.<BR>>
<BR>> This should be bad news for Xiph but it would appear they do
not<BR>> regard usage of Icecast as an advantage to them.<BR>>
<BR>> The only insentive for me and many others is sound quality. If
Xiph<BR>> wants everyone to use vorbis for streaming then it needs to<BR>>
perform much better at lower bitrates, and some serious work needs to<BR>> be
done on the codec. The only work we are seeing released is by<BR>>
independent developers.<BR>> <BR>> Where vorbis performs best is for
file storage at higher bitrates.<BR>> This is what I use and recommend to
everyone who will listen.<BR>> <BR>> And even though it's only the
YP that has the restriction, I think it<BR>> will give Icecast a reputation
of not supporting popular stream<BR>> formats.<BR>> <BR>> It
seems Xiph do not regard any of this important. and that is up to<BR>> them,
but I hope they will reconsider.<BR>> <BR>> Regards,<BR>>
Ross.<BR>> ----- Original
Message ----- <BR>> From:
oddsock <BR>> To: </FONT><A
href="mailto:icecast@xiph.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>icecast@xiph.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>
<BR>> Sent: Tuesday, October
03, 2006 2:22 PM<BR>>
Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2
ices0<BR>>
<BR>>
<BR>> it was fixed a long
time ago actually. The current YP is
now<BR>> benefitting from the
changes made by me (with help from
Karl),<BR>> and yet despite
the requests from both Karl and I
recommending<BR>> that these
streams be allowed again, it falls on deaf
ears.<BR>> Ultimately it's up
to Xiph to decide, although I was
hoping<BR>> that when the
objection "it performs badly so we turned
off<BR>> all non-vorbis
streams" was made, and the "performs
badly"<BR>> part was fixed,
that the decision would be made to
return<BR>> non-vorbis
streams. Instead, I've gotten nothing but
silence<BR>> regarding the
matter. <BR>>
<BR>> I guess what it boils
down to is a fundamental concept of
what<BR>> Icecast is.
To me, it's a simple, free, and open
source<BR>> alternative to
other non-free, free but restrictred,
etc<BR>> streaming media
servers. Others believe, I think, that it
is<BR>> really just a
mechanism to boost the adoption of all the
xiph<BR>> codecs. This
was evident from the very beginning when
Jack<BR>> Moffit added
support for mp3 back into icecast2 as
a<BR>> "transition path to
vorbis" for broadcasters. I certainly
do<BR>> understand their
points on the matter, however, I do not
share<BR>> them.
<BR>>
<BR>>
oddsock<BR>>
<BR>> On 10/2/06, Ross Levis
<</FONT><A href="mailto:ross@stationplaylist.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>ross@stationplaylist.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>> wrote:
<BR>>
I thought the YP code was going to be fixed to
use<BR>>
less resources so
it<BR>>
could be used with other stream formats. It seems
to<BR>>
be taking a
long<BR>>
time.<BR>>
<BR>>
As it is now, Icecast2 is not a good solution
for<BR>>
those wanting to be on
<BR>>
a popular directory. I am forced to recommend
using<BR>>
Shoutcast to
my<BR>>
clients so they can get onto a popular directory.
I<BR>>
would prefer
to<BR>>
recommend
Icecast2.<BR>>
<BR>>
Ross
Levis.<BR>>
</FONT><A href="http://www.stationplaylist.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.stationplaylist.com</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>
<BR>>
----- Original Message
-----<BR>>
From: "Leo Currie" <</FONT><A href="mailto:leo.currie@gmail.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>leo.currie@gmail.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>
To: <</FONT><A href="mailto:rob@rob-campbell.com"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>rob@rob-campbell.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>
Cc: <</FONT><A href="mailto:icecast@xiph.org"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>icecast@xiph.org</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:08
AM<BR>>
Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP?
icecast2<BR>>
ices0<BR>>
<BR>>
<BR>>
The directory at Xiph.org only lists Ogg streams -
MP3<BR>>
streams
are<BR>>
silently
ignored.<BR>>
<BR>>
Leo<BR>>
<BR>>
On 02/10/06, Rob Campbell <</FONT><A href="mailto:rob@rob-campbell.com"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>rob@rob-campbell.com</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>><BR>>
wrote:
<BR>>
>
ices.conf:<BR>>
>
<Public>1</Public><BR>>
> <!-- The name of you stream, not the name of
the<BR>>
song!
--><BR>>
> <Name>Poohba's Urban
Sounds</Name><BR>>
> <!-- Genre of your stream, be it rock or pop
or<BR>>
whatever -->
<BR>>
>
<Genre>RnB</Genre><BR>>
><BR>>
>
icecast.xml<BR>>
>
<directory><BR>>
>
<yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout><BR>>
><BR>>
<yp-url>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url><BR>>
>
</directory><BR>>
>
<directory><BR>>
>
<yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout><BR>>
><BR>>
<yp-url>http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url><BR>>
>
</directory><BR>>
><BR>>
><BR>>
> When I look on the YP I don't see it there.
Not<BR>>
really sure what
to<BR>>
> look for so i looked for 'poohba'. I also did
a<BR>>
search for all RnB
<BR>>
>
and<BR>>
> found nothing of mine.<BR>>
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