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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I can understand wanting to boost the adoption of
Xiph codecs, but I think restricting the directory to vorbis streams only will
not help this endeavour. I can imagine it will just piss a lot of
people, including myself, and give Xiph a bad name.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I get very few listeners of my AAC+ stream now
since this occured. The restriction is not an insentive to switch to Ogg
Vorbis at all. The incentive is to switch from Icecast to Shoutcast,
which I'm still seriously considering, but I was waiting and hoping for this fix
to be done so the restriction could be lifted.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This should be bad news for Xiph but it would
appear they do not regard usage of Icecast as an advantage to
them.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The only insentive for me and many others is sound
quality. If Xiph wants everyone to use vorbis for streaming then it needs
to perform much better at lower bitrates, and some serious work needs to be
done on the codec. The only work we are seeing released is by independent
developers.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Where vorbis performs best is for file storage at
higher bitrates. This is what I use and recommend to everyone who will
listen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>And even though it's only the YP that has the
restriction, I think it will give Icecast a reputation of not
supporting popular stream formats.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>It seems Xiph do not regard any of this
important. and that is up to them, but I hope they will reconsider.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Ross.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=oddsock@oddsock.org href="mailto:oddsock@oddsock.org">oddsock</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=icecast@xiph.org
href="mailto:icecast@xiph.org">icecast@xiph.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:22
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Icecast] How do I list in
YP? icecast2 ices0</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>it was fixed a long time ago actually. The current YP is
now benefitting from the changes made by me (with help from Karl), and yet
despite the requests from both Karl and I recommending that these streams be
allowed again, it falls on deaf ears. Ultimately it's up to Xiph to
decide, although I was hoping that when the objection "it performs badly so we
turned off all non-vorbis streams" was made, and the "performs badly" part was
fixed, that the decision would be made to return non-vorbis streams.
Instead, I've gotten nothing but silence regarding the matter. <BR><BR>I guess
what it boils down to is a fundamental concept of what Icecast is. To
me, it's a simple, free, and open source alternative to other non-free, free
but restrictred, etc streaming media servers. Others believe, I think,
that it is really just a mechanism to boost the adoption of all the xiph
codecs. This was evident from the very beginning when Jack Moffit added
support for mp3 back into icecast2 as a "transition path to vorbis" for
broadcasters. I certainly do understand their points on the matter,
however, I do not share them. <BR><BR>oddsock<BR><BR>
<DIV><SPAN class=gmail_quote>On 10/2/06, <B class=gmail_sendername>Ross
Levis</B> <<A
href="mailto:ross@stationplaylist.com">ross@stationplaylist.com</A>>
wrote:</SPAN>
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style="PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(204,204,204) 1px solid">I
thought the YP code was going to be fixed to use less resources so
it<BR>could be used with other stream formats. It seems to be
taking a long<BR>time.<BR><BR>As it is now, Icecast2 is not a good solution
for those wanting to be on <BR>a popular directory. I am forced
to recommend using Shoutcast to my<BR>clients so they can get onto a popular
directory. I would prefer to<BR>recommend Icecast2.<BR><BR>Ross
Levis.<BR><A
href="http://www.stationplaylist.com">http://www.stationplaylist.com</A><BR><BR>-----
Original Message -----<BR>From: "Leo Currie" <<A
href="mailto:leo.currie@gmail.com">leo.currie@gmail.com</A>><BR>To:
<<A href="mailto:rob@rob-campbell.com">
rob@rob-campbell.com</A>><BR>Cc: <<A
href="mailto:icecast@xiph.org">icecast@xiph.org</A>><BR>Sent: Tuesday,
October 03, 2006 7:08 AM<BR>Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP?
icecast2 ices0<BR><BR><BR>The directory at <A
href="http://Xiph.org">Xiph.org</A> only lists Ogg streams - MP3 streams
are<BR>silently ignored.<BR><BR>Leo<BR><BR>On 02/10/06, Rob Campbell <<A
href="mailto:rob@rob-campbell.com">rob@rob-campbell.com</A>> wrote:
<BR>> ices.conf:<BR>>
<Public>1</Public><BR>> <!-- The
name of you stream, not the name of the song!
--><BR>> <Name>Poohba's Urban
Sounds</Name><BR>> <!-- Genre of your
stream, be it rock or pop or whatever -->
<BR>>
<Genre>RnB</Genre><BR>><BR>>
icecast.xml<BR>>
<directory><BR>>
<yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout><BR>>
<yp-url><A href="http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi">
http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</A></yp-url><BR>>
</directory><BR>>
<directory><BR>>
<yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout><BR>>
<yp-url><A href="http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi">
http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</A></yp-url><BR>>
</directory><BR>><BR>><BR>> When I look on the YP I don't see
it there. Not really sure what to<BR>> look for so i looked
for 'poohba'. I also did a search for all RnB <BR>>
and<BR>> found nothing of mine.</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>