From Jonathancandler_msa at q.com  Wed Nov 13 04:41:35 2013
From: Jonathancandler_msa at q.com (jonathan candler)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 21:41:35 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] trying to configure ices... and not sure if this is the
	right list to talk about it here.
Message-ID: <04C4802F-E3DE-4B8B-A72A-081B503F108E@q.com>

Hi all. I?m not sure f this is the correct list to talk about this here but if not please forgive me. but anyways, I was wondering how you would go about configuring ices? I have tried  writing my own .xml file but got errors like parsing errors. and I can?t  find the examples any where. I?ve looked in my root directory on my server and the way I?ve installed ices is by apt-get. I?m running a VPS and I would like to install it so that I can do automation with it. does anyone know how I can get the sample .xml files like it said in the documentation? or how I could write my own? Thanks and have a good day.

From brad at musatcha.com  Wed Nov 13 04:58:26 2013
From: brad at musatcha.com (Brad Isbell)
Date: Tue, 12 Nov 2013 22:58:26 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] trying to configure ices... and not sure if this is
 the right list to talk about it here.
In-Reply-To: <04C4802F-E3DE-4B8B-A72A-081B503F108E@q.com>
References: <04C4802F-E3DE-4B8B-A72A-081B503F108E@q.com>
Message-ID: <CAELR-fCEoLzA88pPa+b---xaHzCE9xLm574kMv8KG8iqx5=GNg@mail.gmail.com>

If you are getting parser errors, it is likely that your XML is somehow
invalid.

If you are looking for the example XML files, you can find them in the SVN
repo:  http://svn.xiph.org/icecast/trunk/ices/conf/

Brad Isbell
brad at musatcha.com
http://www.musatcha.com


On Tue, Nov 12, 2013 at 10:41 PM, jonathan candler <
Jonathancandler_msa at q.com> wrote:

> Hi all. I?m not sure f this is the correct list to talk about this here
> but if not please forgive me. but anyways, I was wondering how you would go
> about configuring ices? I have tried  writing my own .xml file but got
> errors like parsing errors. and I can?t  find the examples any where. I?ve
> looked in my root directory on my server and the way I?ve installed ices is
> by apt-get. I?m running a VPS and I would like to install it so that I can
> do automation with it. does anyone know how I can get the sample .xml files
> like it said in the documentation? or how I could write my own? Thanks and
> have a good day.
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
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From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Wed Nov 13 09:50:09 2013
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 2013 11:50:09 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Icecast] trying to configure ices... and not sure if this is
 the right list to talk about it here.
In-Reply-To: <04C4802F-E3DE-4B8B-A72A-081B503F108E@q.com>
References: <04C4802F-E3DE-4B8B-A72A-081B503F108E@q.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311131146530.4418@voldemort.home>

On Tue, 12 Nov 2013, jonathan candler wrote:

> Hi all. I?m not sure f this is the correct list to talk about this here

It is.

> I was wondering how you would go about configuring ices? I have tried 
> writing my own .xml file but got errors like parsing errors. and I can?t 
> find the examples any where. I?ve looked in my root directory on my 
> server and the way I?ve installed ices is by apt-get. I?m running a VPS 
> and I would like to install it so that I can do automation with it. does 
> anyone know how I can get the sample .xml files like it said in the 
> documentation? or how I could write my own? Thanks and have a good day.

The examples are almost certainly in the package somewhere.  They could be 
in a number of places, depending on how it was packaged.

Two good things to try:

1.  Look in /usr/share/doc/<packagename> - a file like README.Debian may 
tell you specific things about the package.

2.  'dpkg -L <packagename>' will list a package's contents if it's 
installed.  You can see where the files are.

HTH,
Geoff.

From Jonathancandler_msa at q.com  Thu Nov 14 13:40:10 2013
From: Jonathancandler_msa at q.com (jonathan candler)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 06:40:10 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] settings for ices with ubuntu 13.10 on VPS
Message-ID: <9FABA430-372B-4281-8745-3171B2FE318B@q.com>

Hi all. so I have configured my ices configuration but another question has come up for me. the stream is started, but when I go and play it back from my computer just to test it, it buffers like crazy. like, I?m running iTunes and it will say, ?opening URL, reading stream?. for a few seconds and then everything will be find but I only will get a little  clip or sound of audio for like a milla second and then stop. does anyone have any settings that I should change in order for my audio to play properly on my server? Again, I?m using a ubuntu server running 13.10 and it?s on a VPS. If you can help me with this, I would be very grateful.

From thomas at ruecker.fi  Thu Nov 14 16:29:04 2013
From: thomas at ruecker.fi (=?windows-1252?Q?=22Thomas_B=2E_R=FCcker=22?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:29:04 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] settings for ices with ubuntu 13.10 on VPS
In-Reply-To: <9FABA430-372B-4281-8745-3171B2FE318B@q.com>
References: <9FABA430-372B-4281-8745-3171B2FE318B@q.com>
Message-ID: <5284FA50.6010309@ruecker.fi>

Hi,

On 11/14/2013 01:40 PM, jonathan candler wrote:
> Hi all. so I have configured my ices configuration but another question has come up for me. the stream is started, but when I go and play it back from my computer just to test it, it buffers like crazy. like, I?m running iTunes and it will say, ?opening URL, reading stream?. for a few seconds and then everything will be find but I only will get a little  clip or sound of audio for like a milla second and then stop.

Try with a known good player. In case of an ogg-vorbis stream, even a
recent Firefox will play the stream directly (not the .m3u, without that
at the end). Or use VLC.

>  does anyone have any settings that I should change in order for my audio to play properly on my server? Again, I?m using a ubuntu server running 13.10 and it?s on a VPS. If you can help me with this, I would be very grateful.

Just as a side note, depending on the virtualization used, real time
reencoding of audio is quite error prone. The stream will get corrupted
due to timing jitter or something like that.
If you are just going through a playlist of ogg vorbis files with ices2
and don't reencode, then everything should be fine.

Hope that helps.

Thomas


From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Thu Nov 14 16:39:26 2013
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 18:39:26 +0200 (IST)
Subject: [Icecast] settings for ices with ubuntu 13.10 on VPS
In-Reply-To: <5284FA50.6010309@ruecker.fi>
References: <9FABA430-372B-4281-8745-3171B2FE318B@q.com>
	<5284FA50.6010309@ruecker.fi>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311141835590.4418@voldemort.home>

On Thu, 14 Nov 2013, "Thomas B. R?cker" wrote:

> Just as a side note, depending on the virtualization used, real time
> reencoding of audio is quite error prone. The stream will get corrupted
> due to timing jitter or something like that.
> If you are just going through a playlist of ogg vorbis files with ices2
> and don't reencode, then everything should be fine.

I've seen several people report problems like this, but I've never 
experienced it.  I run an Internet radio station on a VM.  Our automation 
encodes, adds dynamic compression and does crossfading, as well as 
transcoding to a narrowband stream, and it copes nicely.  Of course, if I 
start up more encoder processes, I run into trouble, but this works for 
me.

to the original poster, maybe post the link to your stream if you're 
comfortable doing that, and we can see if it works for any of us.

Geoff.

From thomas at ruecker.fi  Thu Nov 14 16:47:50 2013
From: thomas at ruecker.fi (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Thomas_B=2E_R=FCcker=22?=)
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 2013 16:47:50 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] settings for ices with ubuntu 13.10 on VPS
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.02.1311141835590.4418@voldemort.home>
References: <9FABA430-372B-4281-8745-3171B2FE318B@q.com>	<5284FA50.6010309@ruecker.fi>
	<alpine.DEB.2.02.1311141835590.4418@voldemort.home>
Message-ID: <5284FEB6.9060002@ruecker.fi>

On 11/14/2013 04:39 PM, Geoff Shang wrote:
> On Thu, 14 Nov 2013, "Thomas B. R?cker" wrote:
>
>> Just as a side note, depending on the virtualization used, real time
>> reencoding of audio is quite error prone. The stream will get corrupted
>> due to timing jitter or something like that.
>> If you are just going through a playlist of ogg vorbis files with ices2
>> and don't reencode, then everything should be fine.
>
> I've seen several people report problems like this, but I've never
> experienced it.  I run an Internet radio station on a VM. 

I think we had this topic before. I don't remember which type of
virtualization it was that we traced this back to. It was certainly not
hardware accelerated, must have been something like Virtuozzo or openVZ.
That's why I wrote "depending" on the type.
Generally it should be safe and I remember that I was quite surprised
that it messed things up.


> to the original poster, maybe post the link to your stream if you're
> comfortable doing that, and we can see if it works for any of us.

Good idea. Or if he's not comfortable with that, send it directly to
Geoff or me or stop by our IRC channel and ask for someone to help you
troubleshoot it.

Cheers

Thomas


From ross at stationplaylist.com  Tue Nov 26 04:51:29 2013
From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 17:51:29 +1300
Subject: [Icecast] AOL/Nullsoft shutting down Shoutcast.com
Message-ID: <001401ceea63$2cdb6240$869226c0$@com>

www.kurthanson.com/news/winamp-and-shoutcast-likely-expire

The only viable alternative is Icecast and dir.xiph.org which could grow
fast after December 20 and become the standard for internet radio in the
future :-)




From thomas at ruecker.fi  Tue Nov 26 06:08:01 2013
From: thomas at ruecker.fi (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Thomas_B=2E_R=FCcker=22?=)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 06:08:01 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] AOL/Nullsoft shutting down Shoutcast.com
In-Reply-To: <001401ceea63$2cdb6240$869226c0$@com>
References: <001401ceea63$2cdb6240$869226c0$@com>
Message-ID: <52943AC1.4070806@ruecker.fi>

On 11/26/2013 04:51 AM, Ross Levis wrote:
> www.kurthanson.com/news/winamp-and-shoutcast-likely-expire
>
> The only viable alternative is Icecast and dir.xiph.org which could grow
> fast after December 20 and become the standard for internet radio in the
> future :-)

While we're certainly welcoming everyone from the AOL/Shoutcast world to
start using Icecast, I'm going to be a bit cautious about the statements
on that page.
All the statements I've read so far only mention "Winamp". Shoutcast has
always been a separate project and from what I remember AOL actually
makes a profit by stream hosting and licensing, as opposed to the
free-as-in-beer Winamp software.

That's one of the risks of a closed source software model, you might be
left with nothing if one component shuts down. In the open source
context you can still take the sources and set up your own directory
server, streaming server, etc.

Cheers

Thomas


From yahav.shasha at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 06:10:31 2013
From: yahav.shasha at gmail.com (Yahav Shasha)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 08:10:31 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] AOL/Nullsoft shutting down Shoutcast.com
In-Reply-To: <001401ceea63$2cdb6240$869226c0$@com>
References: <001401ceea63$2cdb6240$869226c0$@com>
Message-ID: <CABuab=RHNNJsn7muX7UGPqCCyDk2g7hjz64itNLji8yeUgEQqg@mail.gmail.com>

that's not 100% accurate.
no official message regarding shoutcast was released.
Winamp is going to be abandoned, but i find it hard to believe they are
going to pull the plug on shoutcast as well, shoutcast is doing rather good
actually.
www.kurthanson.com/news/winamp-and-shoutcast-likely-expire

The only viable alternative is Icecast and dir.xiph.org which could grow
fast after December 20 and become the standard for internet radio in the
future :-)


_______________________________________________
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From thedarkener at logicalnetworking.net  Tue Nov 26 17:01:24 2013
From: thedarkener at logicalnetworking.net (TheDarkener)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 09:01:24 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] AOL/Nullsoft shutting down (Winamp)
In-Reply-To: <CABuab=RHNNJsn7muX7UGPqCCyDk2g7hjz64itNLji8yeUgEQqg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001401ceea63$2cdb6240$869226c0$@com>
	<CABuab=RHNNJsn7muX7UGPqCCyDk2g7hjz64itNLji8yeUgEQqg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5294D3E4.5040408@logicalnetworking.net>

Good bye, llama whipping awesome software...long live Audacious =)
http://audacious-media-player.org/


On 11/25/2013 10:10 PM, Yahav Shasha wrote:
>
> that's not 100% accurate.
> no official message regarding shoutcast was released.
> Winamp is going to be abandoned, but i find it hard to believe they
> are going to pull the plug on shoutcast as well, shoutcast is doing
> rather good actually.
>
> www.kurthanson.com/news/winamp-and-shoutcast-likely-expire
> <http://www.kurthanson.com/news/winamp-and-shoutcast-likely-expire>
>
> The only viable alternative is Icecast and dir.xiph.org
> <http://dir.xiph.org> which could grow
> fast after December 20 and become the standard for internet radio in the
> future :-)
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org <mailto:Icecast at xiph.org>
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast

-- 
Jordan (PGP: 0x78DD41CB)



From lists at parisson.com  Tue Nov 26 18:16:58 2013
From: lists at parisson.com (Guillaume Pellerin)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 19:16:58 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] AOL/Nullsoft shutting down (Winamp)
In-Reply-To: <5294D3E4.5040408@logicalnetworking.net>
References: <001401ceea63$2cdb6240$869226c0$@com>
	<CABuab=RHNNJsn7muX7UGPqCCyDk2g7hjz64itNLji8yeUgEQqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5294D3E4.5040408@logicalnetworking.net>
Message-ID: <5294E59A.6030703@parisson.com>

On 26/11/2013 18:01, TheDarkener wrote:
> Good bye, llama whipping awesome software...long live Audacious =)
> http://audacious-media-player.org/

and Clementine ;)
http://www.clementine-player.org/

YomGuy


From kradradio at gmail.com  Tue Nov 26 18:40:34 2013
From: kradradio at gmail.com (Krad Radio)
Date: Tue, 26 Nov 2013 10:40:34 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] AOL/Nullsoft shutting down (Winamp)
In-Reply-To: <5294E59A.6030703@parisson.com>
References: <001401ceea63$2cdb6240$869226c0$@com>
	<CABuab=RHNNJsn7muX7UGPqCCyDk2g7hjz64itNLji8yeUgEQqg@mail.gmail.com>
	<5294D3E4.5040408@logicalnetworking.net>
	<5294E59A.6030703@parisson.com>
Message-ID: <CA+8JHGi8XEb-vaqkWWOGsfD1g3WKbfgpdAGG+bBPdjmeehgu5w@mail.gmail.com>

And the WinAMP 2 interface in HTML5 form: http://amp.kradradio.com

Anyone can feel free to takeover the effort of making that actually good ;P

-d


On Tue, Nov 26, 2013 at 10:16 AM, Guillaume Pellerin <lists at parisson.com>wrote:

> On 26/11/2013 18:01, TheDarkener wrote:
> > Good bye, llama whipping awesome software...long live Audacious =)
> > http://audacious-media-player.org/
>
> and Clementine ;)
> http://www.clementine-player.org/
>
> YomGuy
> _______________________________________________
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> Icecast at xiph.org
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From w2lie at w2lie.net  Wed Nov 27 23:59:21 2013
From: w2lie at w2lie.net (Phil - w2lie)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 18:59:21 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast service remains locked in CentOs
Message-ID: <9e0be08daba496d5f920770aaa4073a8@w2lie.net>

 

I have been having a problem with my icecast server running on CentOs.
Occasionally, the service will stop running, but it will fail to restart
because the subsys is locked. 

If the service stops, I need to manually log into my VPS, delete the
empty file in /var/lock/subsys and restart the icecast service. 

What could be causing the icecast service to not drop the locked file?
This is the only service I am running on this VPS that has the problem.
I can send over my icecast service file if that helps out. 

user at server [~]# service icecast status
icecast dead but subsys locked
user at server [~]# cd /var/lock/subsys
user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# ls -l | grep icecast
-rw-r--r-- 1 user user 0 Nov 23 10:06 icecast
user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# rm icecast
rm: remove regular empty file `icecast'? y
user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# ls -l | grep icecast
user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# service icecast status
icecast is stopped
user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# service icecast start
Starting icecast streaming daemon: [ OK ]
user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# service icecast status
icecast (pid 30820) is running...
user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# 

Thanks for the help, and for those in the US, have a Happy Thanksgiving.


-- 
Phil / w2lie
http://www.w2lie.net

icecast at xiph.org 
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From basilgohar at librevideo.org  Thu Nov 28 01:41:16 2013
From: basilgohar at librevideo.org (Basil Mohamed Gohar)
Date: Wed, 27 Nov 2013 20:41:16 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast service remains locked in CentOs
In-Reply-To: <9e0be08daba496d5f920770aaa4073a8@w2lie.net>
References: <9e0be08daba496d5f920770aaa4073a8@w2lie.net>
Message-ID: <52969F3C.3040802@librevideo.org>

Did you install Icecast from SVN or icecast.org download, or did you
install it as a package from CentOS's package repository?  The reason I
ask is because the problem may also lie in how the service is configured
specifically for CentOS/RHEL.

On 11/27/2013 06:59 PM, Phil - w2lie wrote:
> I have been having a problem with my icecast server running on CentOs. 
> Occasionally, the service will stop running, but it will fail to restart
> because the subsys is locked.
> 
> 
> If the service stops, I need to manually log into my VPS, delete the
> empty file in /var/lock/subsys and restart the icecast service.
> 
>  
> 
> What could be causing the icecast service to not drop the locked file? 
> This is the only service I am running on this VPS that has the problem. 
> I can send over my icecast service file if that helps out.
> 
> user at server [~]# service icecast status
> icecast dead but subsys locked
> user at server [~]# cd /var/lock/subsys
> user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# ls -l | grep icecast
> -rw-r--r-- 1 user user    0 Nov 23 10:06 icecast
> user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# rm icecast
> rm: remove regular empty file `icecast'? y
> user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# ls -l | grep icecast
> user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# service icecast status
> icecast is stopped
> user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# service icecast start
> Starting icecast streaming daemon:                         [  OK  ]
> user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# service icecast status
> icecast (pid 30820) is running...
> user at server [/var/lock/subsys]#
> 
> Thanks for the help, and for those in the US, have a Happy Thanksgiving.
> 
>  
> 
> -- 
> Phil / w2lie
> http://www.w2lie.net
> 
> icecast at xiph.org <mailto:icecast at xiph.org>
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
> 


-- 
Libre Video
http://librevideo.org


From w2lie at w2lie.net  Sat Nov 30 05:07:53 2013
From: w2lie at w2lie.net (Phil - w2lie)
Date: Sat, 30 Nov 2013 00:07:53 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast service remains locked in CentOs
In-Reply-To: <52969F3C.3040802@librevideo.org>
References: <9e0be08daba496d5f920770aaa4073a8@w2lie.net>
	<52969F3C.3040802@librevideo.org>
Message-ID: <529972A9.4000203@w2lie.net>

The install was from an Icecast download.  Not the SVN or from the 
repository.

I can send a copy of my service script in init.d if that helps.

Phil


On 11/27/2013 8:41 PM, Basil Mohamed Gohar wrote:
> Did you install Icecast from SVN or icecast.org download, or did you
> install it as a package from CentOS's package repository?  The reason I
> ask is because the problem may also lie in how the service is configured
> specifically for CentOS/RHEL.
>
> On 11/27/2013 06:59 PM, Phil - w2lie wrote:
>> I have been having a problem with my icecast server running on CentOs.
>> Occasionally, the service will stop running, but it will fail to restart
>> because the subsys is locked.
>>
>>
>> If the service stops, I need to manually log into my VPS, delete the
>> empty file in /var/lock/subsys and restart the icecast service.
>>
>>   
>>
>> What could be causing the icecast service to not drop the locked file?
>> This is the only service I am running on this VPS that has the problem.
>> I can send over my icecast service file if that helps out.
>>
>> user at server [~]# service icecast status
>> icecast dead but subsys locked
>> user at server [~]# cd /var/lock/subsys
>> user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# ls -l | grep icecast
>> -rw-r--r-- 1 user user    0 Nov 23 10:06 icecast
>> user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# rm icecast
>> rm: remove regular empty file `icecast'? y
>> user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# ls -l | grep icecast
>> user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# service icecast status
>> icecast is stopped
>> user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# service icecast start
>> Starting icecast streaming daemon:                         [  OK  ]
>> user at server [/var/lock/subsys]# service icecast status
>> icecast (pid 30820) is running...
>> user at server [/var/lock/subsys]#
>>
>> Thanks for the help, and for those in the US, have a Happy Thanksgiving.
>>
>>   
>>
>> -- 
>> Phil / w2lie
>> http://www.w2lie.net
>>
>> icecast at xiph.org <mailto:icecast at xiph.org>
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Icecast mailing list
>> Icecast at xiph.org
>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>>
>