From wulbrichcs at aol.com  Wed Jul  3 14:16:16 2013
From: wulbrichcs at aol.com (Werner Ulbrich)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 10:16:16 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] How to configure icecast server
Message-ID: <F7F788A1-F4D8-4D41-BB93-99B3440F4952@aol.com>

Hello

I would like to broadcast from my iPhone/pad. My source client is koalasan app. I don't see this app in your source client list is this working or do I need the icast app?
The configuration for the icecast server is this done on a PC or must this be done on my iPhone/pad?
Do I have to become an icecast member?
Any help is greatly appreciated thank you
Werner


Sent from my iPhone

From michel.memeteau at gmail.com  Wed Jul  3 21:38:43 2013
From: michel.memeteau at gmail.com (michel memeteau)
Date: Wed, 3 Jul 2013 23:38:43 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] How to configure icecast server
In-Reply-To: <F7F788A1-F4D8-4D41-BB93-99B3440F4952@aol.com>
References: <F7F788A1-F4D8-4D41-BB93-99B3440F4952@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAJbJ1Bvfn5Mn2fCyEoRTrN2K5eGfrbf3Txuv21xBCqD8sro+Tg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello , You have to install Icecast somewhere first , or use an icecast
service that someone will propose you.


2013/7/3 Werner Ulbrich <wulbrichcs at aol.com>

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From 0turn1 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  4 19:49:16 2013
From: 0turn1 at gmail.com (Scott Winterstein)
Date: Thu, 4 Jul 2013 21:49:16 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Calculator
Message-ID: <CA+3r0C++-JjF=1QqGLz3N5q5_Z8PFnHrHfPV6P92g=fgqfymUQ@mail.gmail.com>

How do I calculate bandwidth needs and processor, memory needs to find
possible user configurations of say 6GB Bandwidth a month 2.3 dual
proc 4gig memory for 128k stream feed?

Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Scott Winterstein

EMAIL: 0turn1 at gmail.com
PHONE: +49 0151 279 11519 Calls from USA +49 151 279 11519
WEBSITE: http://www.scottsdesk.net
FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/scottsdesk
DEVELOPMENT: http://www.dlradio.org


From thomas at ruecker.fi  Fri Jul  5 05:54:07 2013
From: thomas at ruecker.fi (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Thomas_B=2E_R=FCcker=22?=)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 05:54:07 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Calculator
In-Reply-To: <CA+3r0C++-JjF=1QqGLz3N5q5_Z8PFnHrHfPV6P92g=fgqfymUQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+3r0C++-JjF=1QqGLz3N5q5_Z8PFnHrHfPV6P92g=fgqfymUQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D65F7F.2010809@ruecker.fi>

Hi,

please subscribe to the mailing list to make sure you receive all the
answers to your questions.

http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast


On 07/04/2013 07:49 PM, Scott Winterstein wrote:
> How do I calculate bandwidth needs and processor, memory needs to find
> possible user configurations of say 6GB Bandwidth a month 2.3 dual
> proc 4gig memory for 128k stream feed?

With Icecast the basic rule is:
- you run out of bandwidth before anything else

The rest is fairly simple bandwidth math.
Just keep in mind:
128kbit/s = 16kbytes/s
Also take into account TCP/IP/Ethernet overhead. I don't have a hard
number at hand, but I'd just multiply stream bandwidth by 1.1 or 1.2.

I'm a bit surprised at the low monthly data volume of 6GB you state, as
that is unusually low for a hosting arrangement nowadays and translates
to 5500 broadcasting minutes (about 0.13 average listeners 24/7/30).

Or did you mean something else than hosting an Icecast server?

Cheers

Thomas




From xoneca+icecast at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 06:04:51 2013
From: xoneca+icecast at gmail.com (Xabier Oneca -- xOneca)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 08:04:51 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Calculator
In-Reply-To: <51D65F7F.2010809@ruecker.fi>
References: <CA+3r0C++-JjF=1QqGLz3N5q5_Z8PFnHrHfPV6P92g=fgqfymUQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<51D65F7F.2010809@ruecker.fi>
Message-ID: <CACkgH70OaE6Gu5Uh5CcNTsXz4oV1i2DUpdW_A1cQHr1SsRAFUw@mail.gmail.com>

And to complete the question, I think ices/butt will consume the same
bandwidth. Same CPU/RAM too?

--
Xabier Oneca_,,_
El 05/07/2013 07:54, Thomas B. R?cker <thomas at ruecker.fi> escribi?:

> Hi,
>
> please subscribe to the mailing list to make sure you receive all the
> answers to your questions.
>
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
>
> On 07/04/2013 07:49 PM, Scott Winterstein wrote:
> > How do I calculate bandwidth needs and processor, memory needs to find
> > possible user configurations of say 6GB Bandwidth a month 2.3 dual
> > proc 4gig memory for 128k stream feed?
>
> With Icecast the basic rule is:
> - you run out of bandwidth before anything else
>
> The rest is fairly simple bandwidth math.
> Just keep in mind:
> 128kbit/s = 16kbytes/s
> Also take into account TCP/IP/Ethernet overhead. I don't have a hard
> number at hand, but I'd just multiply stream bandwidth by 1.1 or 1.2.
>
> I'm a bit surprised at the low monthly data volume of 6GB you state, as
> that is unusually low for a hosting arrangement nowadays and translates
> to 5500 broadcasting minutes (about 0.13 average listeners 24/7/30).
>
> Or did you mean something else than hosting an Icecast server?
>
> Cheers
>
> Thomas
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
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From 0turn1 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 08:29:50 2013
From: 0turn1 at gmail.com (Scott Winterstein)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 10:29:50 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Bandwidth Calculations
Message-ID: <CA+3r0CK-HM+Nzm6pQFh5JGdnfXTLmn2XyVvSe=_DNhhosP4t5g@mail.gmail.com>

On 07/04/2013 07:49 PM, Scott Winterstein wrote:
> How do I calculate bandwidth needs and processor, memory needs to find
> possible user configurations of say 6GB Bandwidth a month 2.3 dual
> proc 4gig memory for 128k stream feed?

Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Thomas B. R?cker answered:
> With Icecast the basic rule is:
> - you run out of bandwidth before anything else

> The rest is fairly simple bandwidth math.
> Just keep in mind:
> 128kbit/s = 16kbytes/s
> Also take into account TCP/IP/Ethernet overhead. I don't have a hard
> number at hand, but I'd just multiply stream bandwidth by 1.1 or 1.2.
>
> I'm a bit surprised at the low monthly data volume of 6GB you state, as
> that is unusually low for a hosting arrangement nowadays and translates
> to 5500 broadcasting minutes (about 0.13 average listeners 24/7/30).
>
> Or did you mean something else than hosting an Icecast server?

I mean 6,000GB sorry, but while your calculation answers the question,
I dont see the math to it. I need a basic calculation that I can
figure generally for different configs. like how do you get
broadcasting minutes figure?

Maybe you can answer this. I have been mucking around with encoding
since 1999, and we were broadcasting video streams. I do not remember
figuring each connection to the broadcast into bandwidth needs, as its
a broadcasted stream, a single file played in a single instance, the
only requirements were that the streams bandwidth and the users
bandwidth were important to the playback quality, 128k video stream
required a user to have that at minimum to be able to watch it
correctly, like you said 128 + "overhead". Why now do you figure in
also each connection? As I see it the server is just serving a single
128k up stream and taking up 128k up stream bandwidth, the user end
connection is a mute point as they are downloading it using their
bandwidth. Seems to me hosting services are double dipping charging
the server end the up and down of the single 128k stream to make sense
of the per user, or to me its not a true broadcast, its a truely
separate instance of the stream to any connection. Maybe shed some
light on this if possible.

Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Scott Winterstein

EMAIL: 0turn1 at gmail.com
PHONE: +49 0151 279 11519 Calls from USA +49 151 279 11519
WEBSITE: http://www.scottsdesk.net
FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/scottsdesk
DEVELOPMENT: http://www.dlradio.org


From greg at indexcom.com  Fri Jul  5 09:05:45 2013
From: greg at indexcom.com (Greg Ogonowski)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 02:05:45 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Bandwidth Calculations
In-Reply-To: <CA+3r0CK-HM+Nzm6pQFh5JGdnfXTLmn2XyVvSe=_DNhhosP4t5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+3r0CK-HM+Nzm6pQFh5JGdnfXTLmn2XyVvSe=_DNhhosP4t5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DF096459-0E16-4697-94D3-F1AB1A28ACE2@indexcom.com>

Scott-
You are describing UDP multicast in your example. Icecast uses TCP and the ICY protocol, and the streams are all unicast. Every user consumes more bandwidth from the server. You might want to consider the use of a more efficient audio codec such as HE-AAC or Opus. That will reduce your bandwidth requirements.

Greg
Orban



On Jul 5, 2013, at 1:29, Scott Winterstein <0turn1 at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 07/04/2013 07:49 PM, Scott Winterstein wrote:
>> How do I calculate bandwidth needs and processor, memory needs to find
>> possible user configurations of say 6GB Bandwidth a month 2.3 dual
>> proc 4gig memory for 128k stream feed?
> 
> Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Thomas B. R?cker answered:
>> With Icecast the basic rule is:
>> - you run out of bandwidth before anything else
> 
>> The rest is fairly simple bandwidth math.
>> Just keep in mind:
>> 128kbit/s = 16kbytes/s
>> Also take into account TCP/IP/Ethernet overhead. I don't have a hard
>> number at hand, but I'd just multiply stream bandwidth by 1.1 or 1.2.
>> 
>> I'm a bit surprised at the low monthly data volume of 6GB you state, as
>> that is unusually low for a hosting arrangement nowadays and translates
>> to 5500 broadcasting minutes (about 0.13 average listeners 24/7/30).
>> 
>> Or did you mean something else than hosting an Icecast server?
> 
> I mean 6,000GB sorry, but while your calculation answers the question,
> I dont see the math to it. I need a basic calculation that I can
> figure generally for different configs. like how do you get
> broadcasting minutes figure?
> 
> Maybe you can answer this. I have been mucking around with encoding
> since 1999, and we were broadcasting video streams. I do not remember
> figuring each connection to the broadcast into bandwidth needs, as its
> a broadcasted stream, a single file played in a single instance, the
> only requirements were that the streams bandwidth and the users
> bandwidth were important to the playback quality, 128k video stream
> required a user to have that at minimum to be able to watch it
> correctly, like you said 128 + "overhead". Why now do you figure in
> also each connection? As I see it the server is just serving a single
> 128k up stream and taking up 128k up stream bandwidth, the user end
> connection is a mute point as they are downloading it using their
> bandwidth. Seems to me hosting services are double dipping charging
> the server end the up and down of the single 128k stream to make sense
> of the per user, or to me its not a true broadcast, its a truely
> separate instance of the stream to any connection. Maybe shed some
> light on this if possible.
> 
> Mit freundlichen Gr??en
> Scott Winterstein
> 
> EMAIL: 0turn1 at gmail.com
> PHONE: +49 0151 279 11519 Calls from USA +49 151 279 11519
> WEBSITE: http://www.scottsdesk.net
> FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/scottsdesk
> DEVELOPMENT: http://www.dlradio.org
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
> 


From 0turn1 at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 09:26:54 2013
From: 0turn1 at gmail.com (Scott Winterstein)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 11:26:54 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Bandwidth Calculations
In-Reply-To: <DF096459-0E16-4697-94D3-F1AB1A28ACE2@indexcom.com>
References: <CA+3r0CK-HM+Nzm6pQFh5JGdnfXTLmn2XyVvSe=_DNhhosP4t5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<DF096459-0E16-4697-94D3-F1AB1A28ACE2@indexcom.com>
Message-ID: <CA+3r0CJpN9vD622v4Skw+Gz5rCk3kOY+wZrtc3MD9E-Y9yWDew@mail.gmail.com>

OK if I go with say HE-AAC or Opus, can I still encode as mp3? I am
using Butt as my source encoding. Can Butt be configured to encode
using these codecs instead of their codecs its defaulted to?

Still a bit unclear on the method to calculate a 128k stream with
6,000 GB available bandwidth over 30 days to give an estimated average
user connections possible.

Mit freundlichen Gr??en
Scott Winterstein

EMAIL: 0turn1 at gmail.com
PHONE: +49 0151 279 11519 Calls from USA +49 151 279 11519
WEBSITE: http://www.scottsdesk.net
FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/scottsdesk
DEVELOPMENT: http://www.dlradio.org


On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Greg Ogonowski <greg at indexcom.com> wrote:
> Scott-
> You are describing UDP multicast in your example. Icecast uses TCP and the ICY protocol, and the streams are all unicast. Every user consumes more bandwidth from the server. You might want to consider the use of a more efficient audio codec such as HE-AAC or Opus. That will reduce your bandwidth requirements.
>
> Greg
> Orban
>
>
>
> On Jul 5, 2013, at 1:29, Scott Winterstein <0turn1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 07/04/2013 07:49 PM, Scott Winterstein wrote:
>>> How do I calculate bandwidth needs and processor, memory needs to find
>>> possible user configurations of say 6GB Bandwidth a month 2.3 dual
>>> proc 4gig memory for 128k stream feed?
>>
>> Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Thomas B. R?cker answered:
>>> With Icecast the basic rule is:
>>> - you run out of bandwidth before anything else
>>
>>> The rest is fairly simple bandwidth math.
>>> Just keep in mind:
>>> 128kbit/s = 16kbytes/s
>>> Also take into account TCP/IP/Ethernet overhead. I don't have a hard
>>> number at hand, but I'd just multiply stream bandwidth by 1.1 or 1.2.
>>>
>>> I'm a bit surprised at the low monthly data volume of 6GB you state, as
>>> that is unusually low for a hosting arrangement nowadays and translates
>>> to 5500 broadcasting minutes (about 0.13 average listeners 24/7/30).
>>>
>>> Or did you mean something else than hosting an Icecast server?
>>
>> I mean 6,000GB sorry, but while your calculation answers the question,
>> I dont see the math to it. I need a basic calculation that I can
>> figure generally for different configs. like how do you get
>> broadcasting minutes figure?
>>
>> Maybe you can answer this. I have been mucking around with encoding
>> since 1999, and we were broadcasting video streams. I do not remember
>> figuring each connection to the broadcast into bandwidth needs, as its
>> a broadcasted stream, a single file played in a single instance, the
>> only requirements were that the streams bandwidth and the users
>> bandwidth were important to the playback quality, 128k video stream
>> required a user to have that at minimum to be able to watch it
>> correctly, like you said 128 + "overhead". Why now do you figure in
>> also each connection? As I see it the server is just serving a single
>> 128k up stream and taking up 128k up stream bandwidth, the user end
>> connection is a mute point as they are downloading it using their
>> bandwidth. Seems to me hosting services are double dipping charging
>> the server end the up and down of the single 128k stream to make sense
>> of the per user, or to me its not a true broadcast, its a truely
>> separate instance of the stream to any connection. Maybe shed some
>> light on this if possible.
>>
>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en
>> Scott Winterstein
>>
>> EMAIL: 0turn1 at gmail.com
>> PHONE: +49 0151 279 11519 Calls from USA +49 151 279 11519
>> WEBSITE: http://www.scottsdesk.net
>> FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/scottsdesk
>> DEVELOPMENT: http://www.dlradio.org
>> _______________________________________________
>> Icecast mailing list
>> Icecast at xiph.org
>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>>


From thomas at ruecker.fi  Fri Jul  5 10:24:44 2013
From: thomas at ruecker.fi (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Thomas_B=2E_R=FCcker=22?=)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 10:24:44 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Bandwidth Calculations
In-Reply-To: <CA+3r0CJpN9vD622v4Skw+Gz5rCk3kOY+wZrtc3MD9E-Y9yWDew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+3r0CK-HM+Nzm6pQFh5JGdnfXTLmn2XyVvSe=_DNhhosP4t5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<DF096459-0E16-4697-94D3-F1AB1A28ACE2@indexcom.com>
	<CA+3r0CJpN9vD622v4Skw+Gz5rCk3kOY+wZrtc3MD9E-Y9yWDew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D69EEC.6080303@ruecker.fi>

On 07/05/2013 09:26 AM, Scott Winterstein wrote:
> OK if I go with say HE-AAC or Opus, can I still encode as mp3? I am
> using Butt as my source encoding. Can Butt be configured to encode
> using these codecs instead of their codecs its defaulted to?

I'm not sure if BUTT supports Opus yet. If not someone should certainly
add it!
Depending which target operating system you use there are all sorts of
software packages available, including commercial ones like by Greg's
company.

> Still a bit unclear on the method to calculate a 128k stream with
> 6,000 GB available bandwidth over 30 days to give an estimated average
> user connections possible.

The math is really simple, you just need to make sure you don't confuse
bits and bytes.
128kbit/s = 15.625 kbyte/s
we multiply by 1.2 to account for any overhead: 18.75kbyte/s
So each listener consumes 18.75kbyte/s while connected.

maxVolume = 6000GByte = 6144000MByte = 6291456000KByte

maxVolume/bandwidth = 335544320s = 5592405.3min = 93206.76h = 3883.61d =
129.45mo
So you can feed 129.45 months of streaming from 6000GB.
Obviously that also means you can have an average of 129.45 listeners
per month, before you exceed your Volume limit.
Which conversely would mean egress traffic of about 16-17MBit/s 24/7.

How much a station really needs depends alone on how popular they are.
If larger Volume costs extra (it usually doesn't if you rent a whole
server), then starting small and seeing how you fare is probably a good
approach. One thing to note though. This does NOT mean that the station
should never exceed 130 listeners, actually I'd expect it to have spikes
around at least 300-500 listeners before you hit an AVERAGE of 130.

Cheers

Thomas

PS: I've oversimplified, especially on the overhead, but the ballpark
should be close enough.

> On Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Greg Ogonowski <greg at indexcom.com> wrote:
>> Scott-
>> You are describing UDP multicast in your example. Icecast uses TCP and the ICY protocol, and the streams are all unicast. Every user consumes more bandwidth from the server. You might want to consider the use of a more efficient audio codec such as HE-AAC or Opus. That will reduce your bandwidth requirements.
>>
>> Greg
>> Orban
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jul 5, 2013, at 1:29, Scott Winterstein <0turn1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On 07/04/2013 07:49 PM, Scott Winterstein wrote:
>>>> How do I calculate bandwidth needs and processor, memory needs to find
>>>> possible user configurations of say 6GB Bandwidth a month 2.3 dual
>>>> proc 4gig memory for 128k stream feed?
>>> Fri, Jul 5, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Thomas B. R?cker answered:
>>>> With Icecast the basic rule is:
>>>> - you run out of bandwidth before anything else
>>>> The rest is fairly simple bandwidth math.
>>>> Just keep in mind:
>>>> 128kbit/s = 16kbytes/s
>>>> Also take into account TCP/IP/Ethernet overhead. I don't have a hard
>>>> number at hand, but I'd just multiply stream bandwidth by 1.1 or 1.2.
>>>>
>>>> I'm a bit surprised at the low monthly data volume of 6GB you state, as
>>>> that is unusually low for a hosting arrangement nowadays and translates
>>>> to 5500 broadcasting minutes (about 0.13 average listeners 24/7/30).
>>>>
>>>> Or did you mean something else than hosting an Icecast server?
>>> I mean 6,000GB sorry, but while your calculation answers the question,
>>> I dont see the math to it. I need a basic calculation that I can
>>> figure generally for different configs. like how do you get
>>> broadcasting minutes figure?
>>>
>>> Maybe you can answer this. I have been mucking around with encoding
>>> since 1999, and we were broadcasting video streams. I do not remember
>>> figuring each connection to the broadcast into bandwidth needs, as its
>>> a broadcasted stream, a single file played in a single instance, the
>>> only requirements were that the streams bandwidth and the users
>>> bandwidth were important to the playback quality, 128k video stream
>>> required a user to have that at minimum to be able to watch it
>>> correctly, like you said 128 + "overhead". Why now do you figure in
>>> also each connection? As I see it the server is just serving a single
>>> 128k up stream and taking up 128k up stream bandwidth, the user end
>>> connection is a mute point as they are downloading it using their
>>> bandwidth. Seems to me hosting services are double dipping charging
>>> the server end the up and down of the single 128k stream to make sense
>>> of the per user, or to me its not a true broadcast, its a truely
>>> separate instance of the stream to any connection. Maybe shed some
>>> light on this if possible.
>>>
>>> Mit freundlichen Gr??en
>>> Scott Winterstein
>>>
>>> EMAIL: 0turn1 at gmail.com
>>> PHONE: +49 0151 279 11519 Calls from USA +49 151 279 11519
>>> WEBSITE: http://www.scottsdesk.net
>>> FACEBOOK: http://www.facebook.com/scottsdesk
>>> DEVELOPMENT: http://www.dlradio.org
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Icecast mailing list
>>> Icecast at xiph.org
>>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>>>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>



From pm at nowster.me.uk  Fri Jul  5 10:18:20 2013
From: pm at nowster.me.uk (Paul Martin)
Date: Fri, 5 Jul 2013 11:18:20 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Bandwidth Calculations
In-Reply-To: <CA+3r0CJpN9vD622v4Skw+Gz5rCk3kOY+wZrtc3MD9E-Y9yWDew@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CA+3r0CK-HM+Nzm6pQFh5JGdnfXTLmn2XyVvSe=_DNhhosP4t5g@mail.gmail.com>
	<DF096459-0E16-4697-94D3-F1AB1A28ACE2@indexcom.com>
	<CA+3r0CJpN9vD622v4Skw+Gz5rCk3kOY+wZrtc3MD9E-Y9yWDew@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130705101820.GA11447@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk>

On Fri, Jul 05, 2013 at 11:26:54AM +0200, Scott Winterstein wrote:
> OK if I go with say HE-AAC or Opus, can I still encode as mp3? I am
> using Butt as my source encoding. Can Butt be configured to encode
> using these codecs instead of their codecs its defaulted to?
> 
> Still a bit unclear on the method to calculate a 128k stream with
> 6,000 GB available bandwidth over 30 days to give an estimated average
> user connections possible.

Assume 128kbps becomes 20kbyte/s after TCP encapsulation.

A back-of-the envelope calculation would be

(6000 [GB] * (1024 * 1024)) / (20 [kbyte/s] * (365 * 86400 / 12) )

= 119.7 users, continually streaming 24/7 for the whole month.


(There are 86400 seconds in a day)

-- 
Paul Martin <pm at nowster.me.uk>


From alexandru.ort at gmail.com  Fri Jul  5 21:52:19 2013
From: alexandru.ort at gmail.com (Alexandru Matei)
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 00:52:19 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] Video Streaming an ip mjpeg camera
Message-ID: <51D74013.8040104@gmail.com>

Hi!

Just searched the icecast forum but didn't find anything, so I'll ask you.

Do you know of a streaming server to take as input a mjpeg stream from 
an ip camera and transcode it  to ogg[vorbis] and handle it to icecast?

Please don't mention vlc. Already tried and every 10 sec it freezes and 
buffers. Just playing the camera in vlc works fine, but not transcoding 
and connecting to icecast.

Thanks.

Alex


From artuch at speedy.com.ar  Fri Jul  5 22:46:21 2013
From: artuch at speedy.com.ar (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Luis Artuch)
Date: Fri, 05 Jul 2013 19:46:21 -0300
Subject: [Icecast] Video Streaming an ip mjpeg camera
In-Reply-To: <51D74013.8040104@gmail.com>
References: <51D74013.8040104@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1373064381.6127.18.camel@jlaa>

El s?b, 06-07-2013 a las 00:52 +0300, Alexandru Matei escribi?:
> Hi!
> 
> Just searched the icecast forum but didn't find anything, so I'll ask you.
> 
> Do you know of a streaming server to take as input a mjpeg stream from 
> an ip camera and transcode it  to ogg[vorbis] and handle it to icecast?

Alexandru, I have no present right now, but I did tests with
*ffmpeg2theora ... | oggfwd ...* (from console, in text mode) as source
client of the Icecast2 server. I do not know if this will help you.
> 
> Please don't mention vlc. Already tried and every 10 sec it freezes and 
> buffers. Just playing the camera in vlc works fine, but not transcoding 
> and connecting to icecast.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Alex
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
> 




From thomas at ruecker.fi  Sat Jul  6 06:03:41 2013
From: thomas at ruecker.fi (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Thomas_B=2E_R=FCcker=22?=)
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 06:03:41 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Video Streaming an ip mjpeg camera
In-Reply-To: <51D74013.8040104@gmail.com>
References: <51D74013.8040104@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51D7B33D.2060700@ruecker.fi>

On 07/05/2013 09:52 PM, Alexandru Matei wrote:
> Just searched the icecast forum but didn't find anything, so I'll ask you.
>
> Do you know of a streaming server to take as input a mjpeg stream from 
> an ip camera and transcode it  to ogg[vorbis] and handle it to icecast?

That's a bit contradictory. Ogg/Vorbis is audio, while MJPEG is pure video.
Anyhow, I'd take a look at both avconv and gstreamer.

Cheers

Thomas


From artuch at speedy.com.ar  Sat Jul  6 13:17:48 2013
From: artuch at speedy.com.ar (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Luis Artuch)
Date: Sat, 06 Jul 2013 10:17:48 -0300
Subject: [Icecast] Video Streaming an ip mjpeg camera
In-Reply-To: <51D74013.8040104@gmail.com>
References: <51D74013.8040104@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1373116668.1725.2.camel@jlaa>

El s?b, 06-07-2013 a las 00:52 +0300, Alexandru Matei escribi?:
> Hi!
> 
> Just searched the icecast forum but didn't find anything, so I'll ask you.
> 
> Do you know of a streaming server to take as input a mjpeg stream from 
> an ip camera and transcode it  to ogg[vorbis] and handle it to icecast?
> 
> Please don't mention vlc. Already tried and every 10 sec it freezes and 
> buffers. Just playing the camera in vlc works fine, but not transcoding 
> and connecting to icecast.

With VLC as source, you should experiment with different values ??for
vb, fps, width and height.
http://www.radioclaromeco.com.ar is an example of VLC + Icecast2.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Alex
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
> 




From zorrotmm at hotmail.com  Sun Jul  7 08:44:39 2013
From: zorrotmm at hotmail.com (Ben Jones)
Date: Sun, 7 Jul 2013 03:44:39 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Error help
Message-ID: <BLU168-W36CC2380186A529FFE08D2C17F0@phx.gbl>

Hello,
I recently installed icecast on a server that will be used for an internet radio station.  I've gotten everything to run on my local system, but on the deployment server I am getting the following error when I try to start it up:
connection/get_ssl_certificate No SSL capability on any configured ports
Here are some of the relevant parts of my icecast.xml file:
<hostname>maxxwell69.webfactional.com</hostname>
    <listen-socket>        <port>8000</port>        <bind-address>108.168.242.155</bind-address>          <!-- <shoutcast-mount>/stream</shoutcast-mount> -->    </listen-socket>
<!-- basedir is only used if chroot is enabled -->        <basedir>/home/maxxwell69/icecast/share/icecast</basedir>
        <!-- Note that if <chroot> is turned on below, these paths must both             be relative to the new root, not the original root -->        <logdir>/home/maxxwell69/icecast/var/log/icecast</logdir>        <webroot>/home/maxxwell69/icecast/share/icecast/web</webroot>        <adminroot>/home/maxxwell69/icecast/share/icecast/admin</adminroot>
If you can see anything obvious, or know where i need to look, any help would be appreciated.
Thanks,
Ben 		 	   		  
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From rene at dokbua.com  Mon Jul  8 07:52:17 2013
From: rene at dokbua.com (Rene Christensen Dokbua)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 14:52:17 +0700
Subject: [Icecast] script to link error.log and access.log for the purpose
 of finding the name of a disconnected feed
Message-ID: <CAMtzBA=2Rc90X_r6r-iGEPaR=SzGmLPXuqKACxKwjQ8jvKriHg@mail.gmail.com>

My humble contribution to the project. :)

#!/usr/bin/perl -w

open my $EL, "/var/log/icecast/error.log" || die;

$| = 1;

while(my $buf = <$EL>) {
    if ($buf =~ /Disconnect/) {
        $_ = $buf;
        s/\[|\]//g;
        my @tmp = split(/ +/);
        my $time = $tmp[1];
        open my $AL, "/var/log/icecast/access.log" || die;
        my @lines = grep { /$time/ && /SOURCE/ } <$AL>;
        close($AL);
        print @lines;
    }
}

close($EL);
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From thomas at ruecker.fi  Mon Jul  8 09:33:09 2013
From: thomas at ruecker.fi (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Thomas_B=2E_R=FCcker=22?=)
Date: Mon, 08 Jul 2013 09:33:09 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Error help
In-Reply-To: <BLU168-W36CC2380186A529FFE08D2C17F0@phx.gbl>
References: <BLU168-W36CC2380186A529FFE08D2C17F0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <51DA8755.2090801@ruecker.fi>

Hi,

On 07/07/2013 08:44 AM, Ben Jones wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I recently installed icecast on a server that will be used for an
> internet radio station.  I've gotten everything to run on my local
> system, but on the deployment server I am getting the following error
> when I try to start it up:
>
> connection/get_ssl_certificate No SSL capability on any configured ports

That just means that you didn't enable SSL. If you don't plan to use SSL
then you can safely ignore this.

Cheers

Thomas

PS: Please consider subscribing to the mailing list.

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From xoneca+icecast at gmail.com  Mon Jul  8 09:53:56 2013
From: xoneca+icecast at gmail.com (Xabier Oneca -- xOneca)
Date: Mon, 8 Jul 2013 11:53:56 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] script to link error.log and access.log for the
 purpose of finding the name of a disconnected feed
In-Reply-To: <CAMtzBA=2Rc90X_r6r-iGEPaR=SzGmLPXuqKACxKwjQ8jvKriHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMtzBA=2Rc90X_r6r-iGEPaR=SzGmLPXuqKACxKwjQ8jvKriHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CACkgH73BqEcSS-diSp7c3=tRCmfH_L9+wopxLaaDMYtn0oya7w@mail.gmail.com>

A source (and clients too) doesn't appear in access.log until it has
disconnected, so you can bypass the error.log file filtering. I usually use
the following command line for the same task:

$ grep SOURCE /var/log/access.log

--
Xabier Oneca_,,_
El 08/07/2013 11:19, "Rene Christensen Dokbua" <rene at dokbua.com> escribi?:

>
> My humble contribution to the project. :)
>
> #!/usr/bin/perl -w
>
> open my $EL, "/var/log/icecast/error.log" || die;
>
> $| = 1;
>
> while(my $buf = <$EL>) {
>     if ($buf =~ /Disconnect/) {
>         $_ = $buf;
>         s/\[|\]//g;
>         my @tmp = split(/ +/);
>         my $time = $tmp[1];
>         open my $AL, "/var/log/icecast/access.log" || die;
>         my @lines = grep { /$time/ && /SOURCE/ } <$AL>;
>         close($AL);
>         print @lines;
>     }
> }
>
> close($EL);
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
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From aswin.1231 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 11 07:26:44 2013
From: aswin.1231 at gmail.com (Ashwin Kumar)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 12:56:44 +0530
Subject: [Icecast] listner reports
Message-ID: <CAEkahq-9RQq7S+ZQ4gTpzKTUe1sC4--v3AK4sO+TmpSxqf-bSg@mail.gmail.com>

is there any facility in icecast2 to log listner statistics and data usage
to xml or json file so i can build reports on top of it?


With Best
-Ashwin.
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From lion at lion.leolix.org  Thu Jul 11 09:46:43 2013
From: lion at lion.leolix.org (Philipp Schafft)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 11:46:43 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] listner reports
In-Reply-To: <CAEkahq-9RQq7S+ZQ4gTpzKTUe1sC4--v3AK4sO+TmpSxqf-bSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEkahq-9RQq7S+ZQ4gTpzKTUe1sC4--v3AK4sO+TmpSxqf-bSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20130711094647.358A97A268@priderock.keep-cool.org>

reflum,

On Thu, 2013-07-11 at 12:56 +0530, Ashwin Kumar wrote:
> is there any facility in icecast2 to log listner statistics and data
> usage to xml or json file so i can build reports on top of it?

The listener data is written to the access.log. There are some log file
analyers that can handle the extra data (compared to 'classical http
access logs').

I never had the need to touch one of them so I can not tell you names.
If you really want to build something yourself (e.g. to well integrate
into your existing system) you just need to parse the logfile.

-- 
Philipp.
 (Rah of PH2)
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From yahav.shasha at gmail.com  Thu Jul 11 09:52:24 2013
From: yahav.shasha at gmail.com (Yahav Shasha)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 12:52:24 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] listner reports
In-Reply-To: <CAEkahq-9RQq7S+ZQ4gTpzKTUe1sC4--v3AK4sO+TmpSxqf-bSg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEkahq-9RQq7S+ZQ4gTpzKTUe1sC4--v3AK4sO+TmpSxqf-bSg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuab=Si9yZi-zWj1Z0UpRZWDq_gW9nejjVnDHm7Sd0HmB1mzQ@mail.gmail.com>

Better alternative to parsing the log files would be using the url auth
mechanism and "listener_add" to keep track of listeners and later making
statistics et cetera...


On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Ashwin Kumar <aswin.1231 at gmail.com> wrote:

> is there any facility in icecast2 to log listner statistics and data usage
> to xml or json file so i can build reports on top of it?
>
>
> With Best
> -Ashwin.
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
>


-- 
Yahav Shasha,
Web Developer
+972-(0)549214421
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From aswin.1231 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 11 10:07:59 2013
From: aswin.1231 at gmail.com (Ashwin Kumar)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 15:37:59 +0530
Subject: [Icecast] listner reports
In-Reply-To: <CABuab=Si9yZi-zWj1Z0UpRZWDq_gW9nejjVnDHm7Sd0HmB1mzQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEkahq-9RQq7S+ZQ4gTpzKTUe1sC4--v3AK4sO+TmpSxqf-bSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABuab=Si9yZi-zWj1Z0UpRZWDq_gW9nejjVnDHm7Sd0HmB1mzQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkahq9BvoDmvMQZ_nXRtUob_=A0+z+OyFWDEkjFjc5ydnHpLA@mail.gmail.com>

i am trying to see listener count and prepare report but it would be nice
if there is some default log for generating listener graph.

thanks for thoughts.

With Best
-Ashwin.
+91-9959166266


On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Yahav Shasha <yahav.shasha at gmail.com>wrote:

> Better alternative to parsing the log files would be using the url auth
> mechanism and "listener_add" to keep track of listeners and later making
> statistics et cetera...
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Ashwin Kumar <aswin.1231 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> is there any facility in icecast2 to log listner statistics and data
>> usage to xml or json file so i can build reports on top of it?
>>
>>
>> With Best
>> -Ashwin.
>>
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Icecast mailing list
>> Icecast at xiph.org
>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Yahav Shasha,
> Web Developer
> +972-(0)549214421
>
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From yahav.shasha at gmail.com  Thu Jul 11 11:32:35 2013
From: yahav.shasha at gmail.com (Yahav Shasha)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 14:32:35 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] listner reports
In-Reply-To: <CAEkahq9BvoDmvMQZ_nXRtUob_=A0+z+OyFWDEkjFjc5ydnHpLA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEkahq-9RQq7S+ZQ4gTpzKTUe1sC4--v3AK4sO+TmpSxqf-bSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABuab=Si9yZi-zWj1Z0UpRZWDq_gW9nejjVnDHm7Sd0HmB1mzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEkahq9BvoDmvMQZ_nXRtUob_=A0+z+OyFWDEkjFjc5ydnHpLA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuab=TEFRQEYexWN8COB6vQBqGwu1BDPskYUfwMAXdD1zT-_Q@mail.gmail.com>

oh, well, there are plenty of cacti/munin plugins for icecast listener
stats. google should help you finding some.


On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Ashwin Kumar <aswin.1231 at gmail.com> wrote:

> i am trying to see listener count and prepare report but it would be nice
> if there is some default log for generating listener graph.
>
> thanks for thoughts.
>
> With Best
> -Ashwin.
> +91-9959166266
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Yahav Shasha <yahav.shasha at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> Better alternative to parsing the log files would be using the url auth
>> mechanism and "listener_add" to keep track of listeners and later making
>> statistics et cetera...
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Ashwin Kumar <aswin.1231 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> is there any facility in icecast2 to log listner statistics and data
>>> usage to xml or json file so i can build reports on top of it?
>>>
>>>
>>> With Best
>>> -Ashwin.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Icecast mailing list
>>> Icecast at xiph.org
>>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Yahav Shasha,
>> Web Developer
>> +972-(0)549214421
>>
>
>


-- 
Yahav Shasha,
Web Developer
+972-(0)549214421
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From aswin.1231 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 11 12:57:16 2013
From: aswin.1231 at gmail.com (Ashwin Kumar)
Date: Thu, 11 Jul 2013 18:27:16 +0530
Subject: [Icecast] listner reports
In-Reply-To: <CABuab=TEFRQEYexWN8COB6vQBqGwu1BDPskYUfwMAXdD1zT-_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEkahq-9RQq7S+ZQ4gTpzKTUe1sC4--v3AK4sO+TmpSxqf-bSg@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABuab=Si9yZi-zWj1Z0UpRZWDq_gW9nejjVnDHm7Sd0HmB1mzQ@mail.gmail.com>
	<CAEkahq9BvoDmvMQZ_nXRtUob_=A0+z+OyFWDEkjFjc5ydnHpLA@mail.gmail.com>
	<CABuab=TEFRQEYexWN8COB6vQBqGwu1BDPskYUfwMAXdD1zT-_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAEkahq8EnKqZPz+O+0as1+W0a8zg1tg41RVwaHUe36RVNf1vSQ@mail.gmail.com>

thank you Yahav, i will try cacti

With Best
-Ashwin.
+91-9959166266


On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 5:02 PM, Yahav Shasha <yahav.shasha at gmail.com>wrote:

> oh, well, there are plenty of cacti/munin plugins for icecast listener
> stats. google should help you finding some.
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 1:07 PM, Ashwin Kumar <aswin.1231 at gmail.com>wrote:
>
>> i am trying to see listener count and prepare report but it would be nice
>> if there is some default log for generating listener graph.
>>
>> thanks for thoughts.
>>
>> With Best
>> -Ashwin.
>> +91-9959166266
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 3:22 PM, Yahav Shasha <yahav.shasha at gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Better alternative to parsing the log files would be using the url auth
>>> mechanism and "listener_add" to keep track of listeners and later making
>>> statistics et cetera...
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Jul 11, 2013 at 10:26 AM, Ashwin Kumar <aswin.1231 at gmail.com>wrote:
>>>
>>>> is there any facility in icecast2 to log listner statistics and data
>>>> usage to xml or json file so i can build reports on top of it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> With Best
>>>> -Ashwin.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Icecast mailing list
>>>> Icecast at xiph.org
>>>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Yahav Shasha,
>>> Web Developer
>>> +972-(0)549214421
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> --
> Yahav Shasha,
> Web Developer
> +972-(0)549214421
>
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From nathan.roberts at gmail.com  Fri Jul 12 23:20:37 2013
From: nathan.roberts at gmail.com (Nathan Roberts)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 00:20:37 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast relay with backup - loops backup for too long
Message-ID: <CAGkqu_tHfgi2=Bs7BPEbubyEMUtzyVEW6Ez2JsOzVGSjXSKS0g@mail.gmail.com>

My listeners connect to a publicly accessible Icecast server with the
config below. Between broadcasts it uses a fallback mp3, which loops.
During broadcasts it relays from a local Icecast server that I broadcast to
(config also below). I am aiming for approx 30-45 seconds buffering, as the
connection from public to local icecast server is 'less than ideal'.

The set up is working fine except that if someone connects just before the
broadcast starts, then it appears the fallback file (approx 2.5min) is
queued multiple times, and the delay I've seen can be between 8 and 30
minutes. If they connect just after then the they listen approx 30-45
seconds behind real time as intended. I'd really appreciate any pointers on
where to look into this: is it an Icecast issue (I cant see why) or a
player issue (harder to control, although I can recommend).

Any advice much appreciated.

Thanks

Nathan

*Public Icecast server v 2.3.3 config (extract)*

    <limits>
        <clients>50</clients>
        <sources>2</sources>
        <threadpool>5</threadpool>
        <queue-size>1048576</queue-size>
        <client-timeout>60</client-timeout>
        <header-timeout>15</header-timeout>
        <source-timeout>45</source-timeout>
        <burst-size>65535</burst-size>
    </limits>

    <relay>
        <server>myurl.com</server>
        <port>8000</port>
        <mount>/dores</mount>
        <username>relay</username>
        <password>redacted</password>
        <local-mount>/dores</local-mount>
        <on-demand>1</on-demand>
        <relay-shoutcast-metadata>0</relay-shoutcast-metadata>
    </relay>

    <mount>
        <mount-name>/dores</mount-name>
        <max-listeners>15</max-listeners>
        <dump-file>/var/log/icecast/dores-dump.mp3</dump-file>
        <burst-size>65536</burst-size>
        <fallback-mount>/relayfallback.mp3</fallback-mount>
        <fallback-override>1</fallback-override>
        <fallback-when-full>0</fallback-when-full>
        <hidden>1</hidden>
        <no-yp>1</no-yp>
    </mount>

*Local Icecast server config (extract):*

    <limits>
        <clients>100</clients>
        <sources>2</sources>
        <threadpool>5</threadpool>
        <queue-size>524288</queue-size>
        <client-timeout>30</client-timeout>
        <header-timeout>15</header-timeout>
        <source-timeout>30</source-timeout>
        <burst-on-connect>1</burst-on-connect>
        <burst-size>65535</burst-size>
    </limits>

    <mount>
        <mount-name>/dores</mount-name>
        <max-listeners>3</max-listeners>
        <dump-file>/usr/local/var/log/icecast/dores-dump.mp3</dump-file>
        <burst-size>65536</burst-size>
        <hidden>1</hidden>
        <no-yp>1</no-yp>
        <authentication type="htpasswd">
                <option name="filename"
value="/usr/local/share/icecast/myauth"/>
                <option name="allow_duplicate_users" value="1"/>
        </authentication>

    </mount>
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From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Sat Jul 13 17:58:14 2013
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 13 Jul 2013 20:58:14 +0300 (IDT)
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast relay with backup - loops backup for too long
In-Reply-To: <CAGkqu_tHfgi2=Bs7BPEbubyEMUtzyVEW6Ez2JsOzVGSjXSKS0g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGkqu_tHfgi2=Bs7BPEbubyEMUtzyVEW6Ez2JsOzVGSjXSKS0g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307132053370.2888@data.home>

On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, Nathan Roberts wrote:

> The set up is working fine except that if someone connects just before the
> broadcast starts, then it appears the fallback file (approx 2.5min) is
> queued multiple times, and the delay I've seen can be between 8 and 30
> minutes. If they connect just after then the they listen approx 30-45
> seconds behind real time as intended.

The reason for this is that Icecast will send a static MP3 file as quickly 
as it can, rather than at the correct bitrate.  Whether or not it should 
do something intelligent, possibly by having a configured bit rate, is 
something for debate I guess.

The way to get what you want is to have something streaming your backup 
content.  Something like EZStream would do nicely.

Cheers,
Geoff.



From thomas at ruecker.fi  Sun Jul 14 07:22:26 2013
From: thomas at ruecker.fi (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Thomas_B=2E_R=FCcker=22?=)
Date: Sun, 14 Jul 2013 07:22:26 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast relay with backup - loops backup for too long
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.2.00.1307132053370.2888@data.home>
References: <CAGkqu_tHfgi2=Bs7BPEbubyEMUtzyVEW6Ez2JsOzVGSjXSKS0g@mail.gmail.com>
	<alpine.DEB.2.00.1307132053370.2888@data.home>
Message-ID: <51E251B2.5020404@ruecker.fi>

On 07/13/2013 05:58 PM, Geoff Shang wrote:
> On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, Nathan Roberts wrote:
>
>> The set up is working fine except that if someone connects just before the
>> broadcast starts, then it appears the fallback file (approx 2.5min) is
>> queued multiple times, and the delay I've seen can be between 8 and 30
>> minutes. If they connect just after then the they listen approx 30-45
>> seconds behind real time as intended.
> The reason for this is that Icecast will send a static MP3 file as quickly 
> as it can, rather than at the correct bitrate.  Whether or not it should 
> do something intelligent, possibly by having a configured bit rate, is 
> something for debate I guess.

I think we do some minimal rate limiting, but it's nowhere near what
would be necessary.
Fallback to file is 'lazy' and discouraged for professional
installations anyway.


> The way to get what you want is to have something streaming your backup 
> content.  Something like EZStream would do nicely.

Exactly. And if you just loop a couple of files without re-encoding
them, but send them as is, it doesn't take up any noticeable CPU cycles.


Cheers

Thomas


From aswin.1231 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 18 15:44:31 2013
From: aswin.1231 at gmail.com (Ashwin Kumar)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 21:14:31 +0530
Subject: [Icecast] raspberrypi
Message-ID: <CAEkahq9LStnXYw5LRR-cTS_z244soezivf1Y2uyHUjMCn5Pq8w@mail.gmail.com>

hi,

any one had luck using raspberrypi as mp3 source by configuring darkice or
liquidsoap...

if you are succeed or have an idea about it, please share...

Thank You
-Ashwin.
+91-9959166266
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From thomas at ruecker.fi  Thu Jul 18 15:52:33 2013
From: thomas at ruecker.fi (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Thomas_B=2E_R=FCcker=22?=)
Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2013 15:52:33 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] raspberrypi
In-Reply-To: <CAEkahq9LStnXYw5LRR-cTS_z244soezivf1Y2uyHUjMCn5Pq8w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAEkahq9LStnXYw5LRR-cTS_z244soezivf1Y2uyHUjMCn5Pq8w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51E80F41.6060309@ruecker.fi>

On 07/18/2013 03:44 PM, Ashwin Kumar wrote:
> hi,
>
> any one had luck using raspberrypi as mp3 source by configuring
> darkice or liquidsoap...

No idea about that particular codec, but in general I do know that
people are running source clients like ices2 and darkice on their rpi
and other embedded Linux devices.


> if you are succeed or have an idea about it, please share...

It really should be as easy as 'apt-get install ices2' or 'darkice' if
you run that debian variety for the rpi.


Cheers

Thomas

PS: please don't send HTML emails to the mailing list, thanks.


From aswin.1231 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 19 03:50:37 2013
From: aswin.1231 at gmail.com (Ashwin Kumar)
Date: Fri, 19 Jul 2013 09:20:37 +0530
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast Digest, Vol 110, Issue 9
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1374174001.28238.icecast@xiph.org>
References: <mailman.5.1374174001.28238.icecast@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <CAEkahq81fYq7jdtZcWdu06e_dWip83u1DbNVW1MA6NKMJq-NbA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Thomas,

i want to stream mp3 so i tried with darkice but the quality is very bad
and the load on cpu is around 30%. i guess im doing it wrong with ALSA, do
you think i should try something else?

With Best
-Ashwin.
+91-9959166266


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> hi,
>
> any one had luck using raspberrypi as mp3 source by configuring darkice or
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> if you are succeed or have an idea about it, please share...
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> On 07/18/2013 03:44 PM, Ashwin Kumar wrote:
> > hi,
> >
> > any one had luck using raspberrypi as mp3 source by configuring
> > darkice or liquidsoap...
>
> No idea about that particular codec, but in general I do know that
> people are running source clients like ices2 and darkice on their rpi
> and other embedded Linux devices.
>
>
> > if you are succeed or have an idea about it, please share...
>
> It really should be as easy as 'apt-get install ices2' or 'darkice' if
> you run that debian variety for the rpi.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Thomas
>
> PS: please don't send HTML emails to the mailing list, thanks.
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From medios_sin_amos at hotmail.com  Wed Jul 24 16:33:40 2013
From: medios_sin_amos at hotmail.com (Miguel s)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:33:40 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Alert Email
Message-ID: <COL125-W33BCB1E87D14FB348BA15CB2680@phx.gbl>

anyone knows if is possible to create an email alert to notify me when a mount point is connecting and disconnecting?
 		 	   		  
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From thedarkener at logicalnetworking.net  Wed Jul 24 16:50:10 2013
From: thedarkener at logicalnetworking.net (TheDarkener)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 09:50:10 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Alert Email
In-Reply-To: <COL125-W33BCB1E87D14FB348BA15CB2680@phx.gbl>
References: <COL125-W33BCB1E87D14FB348BA15CB2680@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <51F005C2.1010904@logicalnetworking.net>

Check out <on-connect> and <on-disconnect> for your mountpoint settings..

http://www.icecast.org/docs/icecast-2.3.1/icecast2_config_file.html#mount


Cheers,
Jordan



On 07/24/2013 09:33 AM, Miguel s wrote:
> anyone knows if is possible to create an email alert to notify me when
> a mount point is connecting and disconnecting?
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast

-- 
Jordan (PGP: 0xDA470FF8)



From w2lie at w2lie.net  Wed Jul 24 16:39:16 2013
From: w2lie at w2lie.net (Phil - w2lie)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 12:39:16 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] Alert Email
In-Reply-To: <COL125-W33BCB1E87D14FB348BA15CB2680@phx.gbl>
References: <COL125-W33BCB1E87D14FB348BA15CB2680@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <95695bdf876455911f806562f76f0566@w2lie.net>

 

That would be possible if you call out a script in the connect or
disconnect actions. 

I'm told that Icecast pushes the mount point as a
variable, but I was unable to find any documentation. Does Icecast push
the mount point to the on-connect and on-disconnect scripts as a
variable? 

>From the online docs: 

 <mount>


<on-connect>/home/icecast/bin/source-start</on-connect>

<on-disconnect>/home/icecast/bin/source-end</on-disconnect>

</mount>

---
Phil / w2lie
http://www.w2lie.net

On 2013-07-24 12:33,
Miguel s wrote: 

> anyone knows if is possible to create an email alert
to notify me when a mount point is connecting and disconnecting? 
> 
>
_______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
>
Icecast at xiph.org
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From winnjohnston at gmail.com  Wed Jul 24 22:27:38 2013
From: winnjohnston at gmail.com (Winn Johnston)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 15:27:38 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Alert Email
In-Reply-To: <95695bdf876455911f806562f76f0566@w2lie.net>
References: <COL125-W33BCB1E87D14FB348BA15CB2680@phx.gbl>
	<95695bdf876455911f806562f76f0566@w2lie.net>
Message-ID: <CAFQ3i85MdJLtyjoSspDaEr_h0ZtdQ_r1Rk68zwYFxo_HPY83WQ@mail.gmail.com>

It looks like those are bash scripts so try something like

be sure your mail binary path is correct it may be somewhere else other
then /bin
echo "/bin/mail -s connecting someone at somewhere.com" >
 /home/icecast/bin/source-start

chmod 775 /home/icecast/bin/source-start

you may have a chown permissions issue too if the user that runs icecast
can't see the  /home/icecast/bin/source-start

do the same for the source-end script

-winn



On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Phil - w2lie <w2lie at w2lie.net> wrote:

> **
>
> That would be possible if you call out a script in the connect or
> disconnect actions.
>
>
>
> I'm told that Icecast pushes the mount point as a variable, but I was
> unable to find any documentation.  Does Icecast push the mount point to the
> on-connect and on-disconnect scripts as a variable?
>
> From the online docs:
>
>     <mount>
>
>         <on-connect>/home/icecast/bin/source-start</on-connect>
>         <on-disconnect>/home/icecast/bin/source-end</on-disconnect>
>     </mount>
>
>
>
> ---
> Phil / w2liehttp://www.w2lie.net
>
>  On 2013-07-24 12:33, Miguel s wrote:
>
> anyone knows if is possible to create an email alert to notify me when a
> mount point is connecting and disconnecting?
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing listIcecast at xiph.orghttp://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
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From thedarkener at logicalnetworking.net  Wed Jul 24 23:19:51 2013
From: thedarkener at logicalnetworking.net (TheDarkener)
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 16:19:51 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Alert Email
In-Reply-To: <CAFQ3i85MdJLtyjoSspDaEr_h0ZtdQ_r1Rk68zwYFxo_HPY83WQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <COL125-W33BCB1E87D14FB348BA15CB2680@phx.gbl>
	<95695bdf876455911f806562f76f0566@w2lie.net>
	<CAFQ3i85MdJLtyjoSspDaEr_h0ZtdQ_r1Rk68zwYFxo_HPY83WQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <51F06117.8070405@logicalnetworking.net>

This is how I do it in <on-connect>, just reverse it for
<on-disconnect>, it works pretty well:

---
#!/bin/bash
#
THEDATE=$(date +%F-%H_%M)
SUBJECT="Stream $1 started"
EMAIL="myemail at mydomain.com"

rm /tmp/emailmessage.txt
EMAILMESSAGE="/tmp/emailmessage.txt"
echo "Stream $1 connected to us on $THEDATE." > $EMAILMESSAGE

# send an email using /bin/mail
/usr/bin/mail -s "$SUBJECT" "$EMAIL" < $EMAILMESSAGE
---



Cheers,
Jordan


On 07/24/2013 03:27 PM, Winn Johnston wrote:
> It looks like those are bash scripts so try something like
>
> be sure your mail binary path is correct it may be somewhere else
> other then /bin
> echo "/bin/mail -s connecting someone at somewhere.com
> <mailto:someone at somewhere.com>" >  /home/icecast/bin/source-start
>
> chmod 775 /home/icecast/bin/source-start
>
> you may have a chown permissions issue too if the user that runs
> icecast can't see the  /home/icecast/bin/source-start
>
> do the same for the source-end script
>
> -winn
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jul 24, 2013 at 9:39 AM, Phil - w2lie <w2lie at w2lie.net
> <mailto:w2lie at w2lie.net>> wrote:
>
>     That would be possible if you call out a script in the connect or
>     disconnect actions.
>
>      
>
>     I'm told that Icecast pushes the mount point as a variable, but I
>     was unable to find any documentation.  Does Icecast push the mount
>     point to the on-connect and on-disconnect scripts as a variable?
>
>     From the online docs:
>
>         <mount>
>
>             <on-connect>/home/icecast/bin/source-start</on-connect>
>             <on-disconnect>/home/icecast/bin/source-end</on-disconnect>
>         </mount>
>
>      
>
>     ---
>     Phil / w2lie
>     http://www.w2lie.net
>
>     On 2013-07-24 12:33, Miguel s wrote:
>
>>     anyone knows if is possible to create an email alert to notify me
>>     when a mount point is connecting and disconnecting?
>>
>>     _______________________________________________
>>     Icecast mailing list
>>     Icecast at xiph.org <mailto:Icecast at xiph.org>
>>     http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
>     _______________________________________________
>     Icecast mailing list
>     Icecast at xiph.org <mailto:Icecast at xiph.org>
>     http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
>
>
>
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-- 
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From michel.memeteau at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 09:59:06 2013
From: michel.memeteau at gmail.com (michel memeteau)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 11:59:06 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Re What HTML5 radio player do you use ?
In-Reply-To: <8B1D3302-DFD0-416A-850A-A0D6230918FE@tjbaker.co.uk>
References: <8B1D3302-DFD0-416A-850A-A0D6230918FE@tjbaker.co.uk>
Message-ID: <CAJbJ1BvY6-Y8AJ1rV2xrbzQaNYSdH+VHNQMVCetDUvVy2zToqQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hi everybody .


i'm testing html5media to move from flashonly to "works everywhere" icecast
webplayer.

I have both my ogg and mp3 streams served by my page :


http://www.radiogalere.org/ecoute/index.html


and opus and aac in the works.


But I experience very frequent disconnection, do you confirm ?
<----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->

web perso : http://memeteau.org



<xmpp%3Afreechelmi at jabber.fr>


2013/3/30 Tim Baker <tim at tjbaker.co.uk>

> I used MediaElement.js - far from great (no tracknames) but it does
> usually work on mobile (Android, I don't have an IOS machine to text but I
> suspect it will be Ok)?problem is with HTML5 is it's spotty across the
> browsers even on Mac, and on Android pre 4.1 forget it - some work, some
> don't.
>
> Firefox for instance is HTML5 on paper, in reality because of file formats
> (MP3 support in HTML5 isn't supported yet like MP4 in video, or wasn't in
> previous versions...) you need a Flash fallback unless you want to
> simultaneously stream OGG and MP3 - given the fact very few of the
> directories and players support OGG I'm a little wary of devoting a stream
> to it. I'm sure it's wonderful yaddayaddayadda for the geeks but in a Flash
> streaming world, MP3 gets the shout(cast). seems to be much more compatible
> - my Pure Contour Internet radio can't play OGG for example, but does do
> AAC and MP3.
>
> So yes you do need a Flash fallback - I use MediaElement.js as part pf a
> Wordpress plugin. I wish it was more customisable?some of the others that
> purport to be HTML5 players don't seem to work, with a libShout or Icecast
> stream at all - JPlayer works but the skins are *awful* and I don't have
> the time to make one as it looks really hard, but JWPlayer refused to work
> with my stream. Shame because JWPlayer's HTML5 > Flash fallback is really
> good. The only other one I got to work but not with stream info is svnlabs
> HTML5 player. There is a free Wordpress plugin, but the rest are paid for,
> and you can't redesign or customise it, which makes it a little pointless.
>
> The other one I've come across which is Flash but seems to have
> mobile-HTML5 solution (?) is Streema. If you register your station they
> have a free player, which seems to work really well - I thought only Flash
> but looking at the code it seems to be HTML based?might be wrong, but I
> couldn't find any SWF or Silverlight in the code.
>
> Hope this helps
>
> Tim
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
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From yahav.shasha at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 10:05:05 2013
From: yahav.shasha at gmail.com (Yahav Shasha)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 13:05:05 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] Re What HTML5 radio player do you use ?
In-Reply-To: <CAJbJ1BvY6-Y8AJ1rV2xrbzQaNYSdH+VHNQMVCetDUvVy2zToqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8B1D3302-DFD0-416A-850A-A0D6230918FE@tjbaker.co.uk>
	<CAJbJ1BvY6-Y8AJ1rV2xrbzQaNYSdH+VHNQMVCetDUvVy2zToqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CABuab=QFMyjCBQiR6VB=ZPAupvAwwmSjYhmfA+arQSazG4Yn1Q@mail.gmail.com>

Its seem to be ok in here.

Also, i would suggest giving http://jplayer.org/ a try, provides fallback
solutions as well as customization options and large active community.


On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:59 PM, michel memeteau <michel.memeteau at gmail.com
> wrote:

> Hi everybody .
>
>
> i'm testing html5media to move from flashonly to "works everywhere"
> icecast webplayer.
>
> I have both my ogg and mp3 streams served by my page :
>
>
> http://www.radiogalere.org/ecoute/index.html
>
>
> and opus and aac in the works.
>
>
> But I experience very frequent disconnection, do you confirm ?
>
> <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->
>
> web perso : http://memeteau.org
>
>
>
> <xmpp%3Afreechelmi at jabber.fr>
>
>
> 2013/3/30 Tim Baker <tim at tjbaker.co.uk>
>
>> I used MediaElement.js - far from great (no tracknames) but it does
>> usually work on mobile (Android, I don't have an IOS machine to text but I
>> suspect it will be Ok)?problem is with HTML5 is it's spotty across the
>> browsers even on Mac, and on Android pre 4.1 forget it - some work, some
>> don't.
>>
>> Firefox for instance is HTML5 on paper, in reality because of file
>> formats (MP3 support in HTML5 isn't supported yet like MP4 in video, or
>> wasn't in previous versions...) you need a Flash fallback unless you want
>> to simultaneously stream OGG and MP3 - given the fact very few of the
>> directories and players support OGG I'm a little wary of devoting a stream
>> to it. I'm sure it's wonderful yaddayaddayadda for the geeks but in a Flash
>> streaming world, MP3 gets the shout(cast). seems to be much more compatible
>> - my Pure Contour Internet radio can't play OGG for example, but does do
>> AAC and MP3.
>>
>> So yes you do need a Flash fallback - I use MediaElement.js as part pf a
>> Wordpress plugin. I wish it was more customisable?some of the others that
>> purport to be HTML5 players don't seem to work, with a libShout or Icecast
>> stream at all - JPlayer works but the skins are *awful* and I don't have
>> the time to make one as it looks really hard, but JWPlayer refused to work
>> with my stream. Shame because JWPlayer's HTML5 > Flash fallback is really
>> good. The only other one I got to work but not with stream info is svnlabs
>> HTML5 player. There is a free Wordpress plugin, but the rest are paid for,
>> and you can't redesign or customise it, which makes it a little pointless.
>>
>> The other one I've come across which is Flash but seems to have
>> mobile-HTML5 solution (?) is Streema. If you register your station they
>> have a free player, which seems to work really well - I thought only Flash
>> but looking at the code it seems to be HTML based?might be wrong, but I
>> couldn't find any SWF or Silverlight in the code.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> Tim
>> _______________________________________________
>> Icecast mailing list
>> Icecast at xiph.org
>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
>


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Web Developer
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From tim at tjbaker.co.uk  Thu Jul 25 14:01:02 2013
From: tim at tjbaker.co.uk (Tim Baker)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:01:02 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Re What HTML5 radio player do you use ?
In-Reply-To: <CAJbJ1BvY6-Y8AJ1rV2xrbzQaNYSdH+VHNQMVCetDUvVy2zToqQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <8B1D3302-DFD0-416A-850A-A0D6230918FE@tjbaker.co.uk>
	<CAJbJ1BvY6-Y8AJ1rV2xrbzQaNYSdH+VHNQMVCetDUvVy2zToqQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <F84C2680-4662-4C07-800D-D69E2E5416FA@tjbaker.co.uk>

Yes it disconnected after 1:52 on the player.

On 25 Jul 2013, at 10:59, michel memeteau <michel.memeteau at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi everybody .
> 
> 
> i'm testing html5media to move from flashonly to "works everywhere" icecast webplayer.
> 
> I have both my ogg and mp3 streams served by my page : 
> 
> 
> http://www.radiogalere.org/ecoute/index.html
> 
> 
> and opus and aac in the works.
> 
> 
> But I experience very frequent disconnection, do you confirm ? 
> <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->
> 
> web perso : http://memeteau.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2013/3/30 Tim Baker <tim at tjbaker.co.uk>
> I used MediaElement.js - far from great (no tracknames) but it does usually work on mobile (Android, I don't have an IOS machine to text but I suspect it will be Ok)?problem is with HTML5 is it's spotty across the browsers even on Mac, and on Android pre 4.1 forget it - some work, some don't.
> 
> Firefox for instance is HTML5 on paper, in reality because of file formats (MP3 support in HTML5 isn't supported yet like MP4 in video, or wasn't in previous versions...) you need a Flash fallback unless you want to simultaneously stream OGG and MP3 - given the fact very few of the directories and players support OGG I'm a little wary of devoting a stream to it. I'm sure it's wonderful yaddayaddayadda for the geeks but in a Flash streaming world, MP3 gets the shout(cast). seems to be much more compatible - my Pure Contour Internet radio can't play OGG for example, but does do AAC and MP3.
> 
> So yes you do need a Flash fallback - I use MediaElement.js as part pf a Wordpress plugin. I wish it was more customisable?some of the others that purport to be HTML5 players don't seem to work, with a libShout or Icecast stream at all - JPlayer works but the skins are *awful* and I don't have the time to make one as it looks really hard, but JWPlayer refused to work with my stream. Shame because JWPlayer's HTML5 > Flash fallback is really good. The only other one I got to work but not with stream info is svnlabs HTML5 player. There is a free Wordpress plugin, but the rest are paid for, and you can't redesign or customise it, which makes it a little pointless.
> 
> The other one I've come across which is Flash but seems to have mobile-HTML5 solution (?) is Streema. If you register your station they have a free player, which seems to work really well - I thought only Flash but looking at the code it seems to be HTML based?might be wrong, but I couldn't find any SWF or Silverlight in the code.
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Tim
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
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From michel.memeteau at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 14:11:03 2013
From: michel.memeteau at gmail.com (michel memeteau)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:11:03 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Re What HTML5 radio player do you use ?
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On which browser/ os?
Le 25 juil. 2013 16:01, "Tim Baker" <tim at tjbaker.co.uk> a ?crit :

> Yes it disconnected after 1:52 on the player.
>
> On 25 Jul 2013, at 10:59, michel memeteau <michel.memeteau at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hi everybody .
>
>
> i'm testing html5media to move from flashonly to "works everywhere"
> icecast webplayer.
>
> I have both my ogg and mp3 streams served by my page :
>
>
> http://www.radiogalere.org/ecoute/index.html
>
>
> and opus and aac in the works.
>
>
> But I experience very frequent disconnection, do you confirm ?
>
> <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->
>
> web perso : http://memeteau.org
>
>
>
> <xmpp%3Afreechelmi at jabber.fr>
>
>
> 2013/3/30 Tim Baker <tim at tjbaker.co.uk>
>
>> I used MediaElement.js - far from great (no tracknames) but it does
>> usually work on mobile (Android, I don't have an IOS machine to text but I
>> suspect it will be Ok)?problem is with HTML5 is it's spotty across the
>> browsers even on Mac, and on Android pre 4.1 forget it - some work, some
>> don't.
>>
>> Firefox for instance is HTML5 on paper, in reality because of file
>> formats (MP3 support in HTML5 isn't supported yet like MP4 in video, or
>> wasn't in previous versions...) you need a Flash fallback unless you want
>> to simultaneously stream OGG and MP3 - given the fact very few of the
>> directories and players support OGG I'm a little wary of devoting a stream
>> to it. I'm sure it's wonderful yaddayaddayadda for the geeks but in a Flash
>> streaming world, MP3 gets the shout(cast). seems to be much more compatible
>> - my Pure Contour Internet radio can't play OGG for example, but does do
>> AAC and MP3.
>>
>> So yes you do need a Flash fallback - I use MediaElement.js as part pf a
>> Wordpress plugin. I wish it was more customisable?some of the others that
>> purport to be HTML5 players don't seem to work, with a libShout or Icecast
>> stream at all - JPlayer works but the skins are *awful* and I don't have
>> the time to make one as it looks really hard, but JWPlayer refused to work
>> with my stream. Shame because JWPlayer's HTML5 > Flash fallback is really
>> good. The only other one I got to work but not with stream info is svnlabs
>> HTML5 player. There is a free Wordpress plugin, but the rest are paid for,
>> and you can't redesign or customise it, which makes it a little pointless.
>>
>> The other one I've come across which is Flash but seems to have
>> mobile-HTML5 solution (?) is Streema. If you register your station they
>> have a free player, which seems to work really well - I thought only Flash
>> but looking at the code it seems to be HTML based?might be wrong, but I
>> couldn't find any SWF or Silverlight in the code.
>>
>> Hope this helps
>>
>> Tim
>> _______________________________________________
>> Icecast mailing list
>> Icecast at xiph.org
>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>>
>
>
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From tim at tjbaker.co.uk  Thu Jul 25 14:03:07 2013
From: tim at tjbaker.co.uk (Tim Baker)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:03:07 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Re What HTML5 radio player do you use ?
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I sadly could never get jplayer to work with my streams - shoutcast or icecast. Any good tutorials for that? 

On 25 Jul 2013, at 11:05, Yahav Shasha <yahav.shasha at gmail.com> wrote:

> Its seem to be ok in here.
> 
> Also, i would suggest giving http://jplayer.org/ a try, provides fallback solutions as well as customization options and large active community.
> 
> 
> On Thu, Jul 25, 2013 at 12:59 PM, michel memeteau <michel.memeteau at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi everybody .
> 
> 
> i'm testing html5media to move from flashonly to "works everywhere" icecast webplayer.
> 
> I have both my ogg and mp3 streams served by my page : 
> 
> 
> http://www.radiogalere.org/ecoute/index.html
> 
> 
> and opus and aac in the works.
> 
> 
> But I experience very frequent disconnection, do you confirm ? 
> <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->
> 
> web perso : http://memeteau.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2013/3/30 Tim Baker <tim at tjbaker.co.uk>
> I used MediaElement.js - far from great (no tracknames) but it does usually work on mobile (Android, I don't have an IOS machine to text but I suspect it will be Ok)?problem is with HTML5 is it's spotty across the browsers even on Mac, and on Android pre 4.1 forget it - some work, some don't.
> 
> Firefox for instance is HTML5 on paper, in reality because of file formats (MP3 support in HTML5 isn't supported yet like MP4 in video, or wasn't in previous versions...) you need a Flash fallback unless you want to simultaneously stream OGG and MP3 - given the fact very few of the directories and players support OGG I'm a little wary of devoting a stream to it. I'm sure it's wonderful yaddayaddayadda for the geeks but in a Flash streaming world, MP3 gets the shout(cast). seems to be much more compatible - my Pure Contour Internet radio can't play OGG for example, but does do AAC and MP3.
> 
> So yes you do need a Flash fallback - I use MediaElement.js as part pf a Wordpress plugin. I wish it was more customisable?some of the others that purport to be HTML5 players don't seem to work, with a libShout or Icecast stream at all - JPlayer works but the skins are *awful* and I don't have the time to make one as it looks really hard, but JWPlayer refused to work with my stream. Shame because JWPlayer's HTML5 > Flash fallback is really good. The only other one I got to work but not with stream info is svnlabs HTML5 player. There is a free Wordpress plugin, but the rest are paid for, and you can't redesign or customise it, which makes it a little pointless.
> 
> The other one I've come across which is Flash but seems to have mobile-HTML5 solution (?) is Streema. If you register your station they have a free player, which seems to work really well - I thought only Flash but looking at the code it seems to be HTML based?might be wrong, but I couldn't find any SWF or Silverlight in the code.
> 
> Hope this helps
> 
> Tim
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
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From tim at tjbaker.co.uk  Thu Jul 25 14:13:16 2013
From: tim at tjbaker.co.uk (Tim Baker)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:13:16 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Re What HTML5 radio player do you use ?
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Sorry forgot to say - Firefox 22 Mac 10.8

On 25 Jul 2013, at 15:11, michel memeteau <michel.memeteau at gmail.com> wrote:

> On which browser/ os?
> 
> Le 25 juil. 2013 16:01, "Tim Baker" <tim at tjbaker.co.uk> a ?crit :
> Yes it disconnected after 1:52 on the player.
> 
> On 25 Jul 2013, at 10:59, michel memeteau <michel.memeteau at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Hi everybody .
>> 
>> 
>> i'm testing html5media to move from flashonly to "works everywhere" icecast webplayer.
>> 
>> I have both my ogg and mp3 streams served by my page : 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.radiogalere.org/ecoute/index.html
>> 
>> 
>> and opus and aac in the works.
>> 
>> 
>> But I experience very frequent disconnection, do you confirm ? 
>> <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->
>> 
>> web perso : http://memeteau.org
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 2013/3/30 Tim Baker <tim at tjbaker.co.uk>
>> I used MediaElement.js - far from great (no tracknames) but it does usually work on mobile (Android, I don't have an IOS machine to text but I suspect it will be Ok)?problem is with HTML5 is it's spotty across the browsers even on Mac, and on Android pre 4.1 forget it - some work, some don't.
>> 
>> Firefox for instance is HTML5 on paper, in reality because of file formats (MP3 support in HTML5 isn't supported yet like MP4 in video, or wasn't in previous versions...) you need a Flash fallback unless you want to simultaneously stream OGG and MP3 - given the fact very few of the directories and players support OGG I'm a little wary of devoting a stream to it. I'm sure it's wonderful yaddayaddayadda for the geeks but in a Flash streaming world, MP3 gets the shout(cast). seems to be much more compatible - my Pure Contour Internet radio can't play OGG for example, but does do AAC and MP3.
>> 
>> So yes you do need a Flash fallback - I use MediaElement.js as part pf a Wordpress plugin. I wish it was more customisable?some of the others that purport to be HTML5 players don't seem to work, with a libShout or Icecast stream at all - JPlayer works but the skins are *awful* and I don't have the time to make one as it looks really hard, but JWPlayer refused to work with my stream. Shame because JWPlayer's HTML5 > Flash fallback is really good. The only other one I got to work but not with stream info is svnlabs HTML5 player. There is a free Wordpress plugin, but the rest are paid for, and you can't redesign or customise it, which makes it a little pointless.
>> 
>> The other one I've come across which is Flash but seems to have mobile-HTML5 solution (?) is Streema. If you register your station they have a free player, which seems to work really well - I thought only Flash but looking at the code it seems to be HTML based?might be wrong, but I couldn't find any SWF or Silverlight in the code.
>> 
>> Hope this helps
>> 
>> Tim
>> _______________________________________________
>> Icecast mailing list
>> Icecast at xiph.org
>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>> 
> 

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From michel.memeteau at gmail.com  Thu Jul 25 14:15:26 2013
From: michel.memeteau at gmail.com (michel memeteau)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 16:15:26 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Re What HTML5 radio player do you use ?
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You are s?re it s using html5 and not flash?
Le 25 juil. 2013 16:13, "Tim Baker" <tim at tjbaker.co.uk> a ?crit :

> Sorry forgot to say - Firefox 22 Mac 10.8
>
> On 25 Jul 2013, at 15:11, michel memeteau <michel.memeteau at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> On which browser/ os?
> Le 25 juil. 2013 16:01, "Tim Baker" <tim at tjbaker.co.uk> a ?crit :
>
>> Yes it disconnected after 1:52 on the player.
>>
>> On 25 Jul 2013, at 10:59, michel memeteau <michel.memeteau at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> Hi everybody .
>>
>>
>> i'm testing html5media to move from flashonly to "works everywhere"
>> icecast webplayer.
>>
>> I have both my ogg and mp3 streams served by my page :
>>
>>
>> http://www.radiogalere.org/ecoute/index.html
>>
>>
>> and opus and aac in the works.
>>
>>
>> But I experience very frequent disconnection, do you confirm ?
>>
>> <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->
>>
>> web perso : http://memeteau.org
>>
>>
>>
>> <xmpp%3Afreechelmi at jabber.fr>
>>
>>
>> 2013/3/30 Tim Baker <tim at tjbaker.co.uk>
>>
>>> I used MediaElement.js - far from great (no tracknames) but it does
>>> usually work on mobile (Android, I don't have an IOS machine to text but I
>>> suspect it will be Ok)?problem is with HTML5 is it's spotty across the
>>> browsers even on Mac, and on Android pre 4.1 forget it - some work, some
>>> don't.
>>>
>>> Firefox for instance is HTML5 on paper, in reality because of file
>>> formats (MP3 support in HTML5 isn't supported yet like MP4 in video, or
>>> wasn't in previous versions...) you need a Flash fallback unless you want
>>> to simultaneously stream OGG and MP3 - given the fact very few of the
>>> directories and players support OGG I'm a little wary of devoting a stream
>>> to it. I'm sure it's wonderful yaddayaddayadda for the geeks but in a Flash
>>> streaming world, MP3 gets the shout(cast). seems to be much more compatible
>>> - my Pure Contour Internet radio can't play OGG for example, but does do
>>> AAC and MP3.
>>>
>>> So yes you do need a Flash fallback - I use MediaElement.js as part pf a
>>> Wordpress plugin. I wish it was more customisable?some of the others that
>>> purport to be HTML5 players don't seem to work, with a libShout or Icecast
>>> stream at all - JPlayer works but the skins are *awful* and I don't have
>>> the time to make one as it looks really hard, but JWPlayer refused to work
>>> with my stream. Shame because JWPlayer's HTML5 > Flash fallback is really
>>> good. The only other one I got to work but not with stream info is svnlabs
>>> HTML5 player. There is a free Wordpress plugin, but the rest are paid for,
>>> and you can't redesign or customise it, which makes it a little pointless.
>>>
>>> The other one I've come across which is Flash but seems to have
>>> mobile-HTML5 solution (?) is Streema. If you register your station they
>>> have a free player, which seems to work really well - I thought only Flash
>>> but looking at the code it seems to be HTML based?might be wrong, but I
>>> couldn't find any SWF or Silverlight in the code.
>>>
>>> Hope this helps
>>>
>>> Tim
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Icecast mailing list
>>> Icecast at xiph.org
>>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>>>
>>
>>
>>
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From tim at tjbaker.co.uk  Thu Jul 25 14:23:01 2013
From: tim at tjbaker.co.uk (Tim Baker)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 15:23:01 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Re What HTML5 radio player do you use ?
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Yes it's the default Firefox HTML5 player, I have a ClicktoFlash type plugin on Firefox anyway, so it wouldn't play Flash automatically.

On 25 Jul 2013, at 15:15, michel memeteau <michel.memeteau at gmail.com> wrote:

> You are s?re it s using html5 and not flash?
> 
> Le 25 juil. 2013 16:13, "Tim Baker" <tim at tjbaker.co.uk> a ?crit :
> Sorry forgot to say - Firefox 22 Mac 10.8
> 
> On 25 Jul 2013, at 15:11, michel memeteau <michel.memeteau at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On which browser/ os?
>> 
>> Le 25 juil. 2013 16:01, "Tim Baker" <tim at tjbaker.co.uk> a ?crit :
>> Yes it disconnected after 1:52 on the player.
>> 
>> On 25 Jul 2013, at 10:59, michel memeteau <michel.memeteau at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi everybody .
>>> 
>>> 
>>> i'm testing html5media to move from flashonly to "works everywhere" icecast webplayer.
>>> 
>>> I have both my ogg and mp3 streams served by my page : 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> http://www.radiogalere.org/ecoute/index.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> and opus and aac in the works.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> But I experience very frequent disconnection, do you confirm ? 
>>> <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->
>>> 
>>> web perso : http://memeteau.org
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 2013/3/30 Tim Baker <tim at tjbaker.co.uk>
>>> I used MediaElement.js - far from great (no tracknames) but it does usually work on mobile (Android, I don't have an IOS machine to text but I suspect it will be Ok)?problem is with HTML5 is it's spotty across the browsers even on Mac, and on Android pre 4.1 forget it - some work, some don't.
>>> 
>>> Firefox for instance is HTML5 on paper, in reality because of file formats (MP3 support in HTML5 isn't supported yet like MP4 in video, or wasn't in previous versions...) you need a Flash fallback unless you want to simultaneously stream OGG and MP3 - given the fact very few of the directories and players support OGG I'm a little wary of devoting a stream to it. I'm sure it's wonderful yaddayaddayadda for the geeks but in a Flash streaming world, MP3 gets the shout(cast). seems to be much more compatible - my Pure Contour Internet radio can't play OGG for example, but does do AAC and MP3.
>>> 
>>> So yes you do need a Flash fallback - I use MediaElement.js as part pf a Wordpress plugin. I wish it was more customisable?some of the others that purport to be HTML5 players don't seem to work, with a libShout or Icecast stream at all - JPlayer works but the skins are *awful* and I don't have the time to make one as it looks really hard, but JWPlayer refused to work with my stream. Shame because JWPlayer's HTML5 > Flash fallback is really good. The only other one I got to work but not with stream info is svnlabs HTML5 player. There is a free Wordpress plugin, but the rest are paid for, and you can't redesign or customise it, which makes it a little pointless.
>>> 
>>> The other one I've come across which is Flash but seems to have mobile-HTML5 solution (?) is Streema. If you register your station they have a free player, which seems to work really well - I thought only Flash but looking at the code it seems to be HTML based?might be wrong, but I couldn't find any SWF or Silverlight in the code.
>>> 
>>> Hope this helps
>>> 
>>> Tim
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Icecast mailing list
>>> Icecast at xiph.org
>>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>>> 
>> 
> 

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From artuch at speedy.com.ar  Thu Jul 25 17:19:15 2013
From: artuch at speedy.com.ar (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jos=E9?= Luis Artuch)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 14:19:15 -0300
Subject: [Icecast] Re What HTML5 radio player do you use ?
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El jue, 25-07-2013 a las 11:59 +0200, michel memeteau escribi?:
> Hi everybody .
> 
> 
> 
> 
> i'm testing html5media to move from flashonly to "works everywhere"
> icecast webplayer.
> 
> 
> I have both my ogg and mp3 streams served by my page : 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.radiogalere.org/ecoute/index.html
> 
> 
> 
> 
> and opus and aac in the works.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> But I experience very frequent disconnection, do you confirm ? 

Michel, I'm listening audio HTML5 from Radio Galere embedded in:
*** Epiphany 2.30.6 ............... WebKit
*** Chromium 6.0.472.63 (59945) ... WebKit
*** Firefox 23.0 (beta) ........... Gecko
for more than 1 hour without cuts, with the 3 web browsers running on
Debian GNU/Linux 6.0.7 and without extra players.
Voil? !! ... Oui, oui, maintenant je parle un peu le Fran?ais :))
> <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->
> 
> web perso : http://memeteau.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 2013/3/30 Tim Baker <tim at tjbaker.co.uk>
>         I used MediaElement.js - far from great (no tracknames) but it
>         does usually work on mobile (Android, I don't have an IOS
>         machine to text but I suspect it will be Ok)?problem is with
>         HTML5 is it's spotty across the browsers even on Mac, and on
>         Android pre 4.1 forget it - some work, some don't.
>         
>         Firefox for instance is HTML5 on paper, in reality because of
>         file formats (MP3 support in HTML5 isn't supported yet like
>         MP4 in video, or wasn't in previous versions...) you need a
>         Flash fallback unless you want to simultaneously stream OGG
>         and MP3 - given the fact very few of the directories and
>         players support OGG I'm a little wary of devoting a stream to
>         it. I'm sure it's wonderful yaddayaddayadda for the geeks but
>         in a Flash streaming world, MP3 gets the shout(cast). seems to
>         be much more compatible - my Pure Contour Internet radio can't
>         play OGG for example, but does do AAC and MP3.
>         
>         So yes you do need a Flash fallback - I use MediaElement.js as
>         part pf a Wordpress plugin. I wish it was more customisable?
>         some of the others that purport to be HTML5 players don't seem
>         to work, with a libShout or Icecast stream at all - JPlayer
>         works but the skins are *awful* and I don't have the time to
>         make one as it looks really hard, but JWPlayer refused to work
>         with my stream. Shame because JWPlayer's HTML5 > Flash
>         fallback is really good. The only other one I got to work but
>         not with stream info is svnlabs HTML5 player. There is a free
>         Wordpress plugin, but the rest are paid for, and you can't
>         redesign or customise it, which makes it a little pointless.
>         
>         The other one I've come across which is Flash but seems to
>         have mobile-HTML5 solution (?) is Streema. If you register
>         your station they have a free player, which seems to work
>         really well - I thought only Flash but looking at the code it
>         seems to be HTML based?might be wrong, but I couldn't find any
>         SWF or Silverlight in the code.
>         
>         Hope this helps
>         
>         Tim
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From michel.memeteau at gmail.com  Fri Jul 26 08:37:51 2013
From: michel.memeteau at gmail.com (michel memeteau)
Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2013 10:37:51 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Internet Radio Station
In-Reply-To: <CAJbJ1Bvz3Ar-qnQK7ec-6+qDWPzy2_v=gJzyFZurg8uNX7tYHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002b01ce8924$0838a100$18a9e300$@btinternet.com>
	<853f1516-9473-4133-9a5b-60f08431374b@googlegroups.com>
	<003901ce8927$9d65fe00$d831fa00$@btinternet.com>
	<CAJbJ1Bvz3Ar-qnQK7ec-6+qDWPzy2_v=gJzyFZurg8uNX7tYHg@mail.gmail.com>
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Please : always answer the mailing list , I don't take support requests
directly.


Can you publish your page somewhere ?
>
> With what you said it should work as IE10 supports AAC , but in order to
> make in work on all browser you have to propose an alternative stream like
> OGG
>
> <----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------->
>
> web perso : http://memeteau.org
>
>
>
> <xmpp%3Afreechelmi at jabber.fr>
>
>
> 2013/7/25 Robert Green <rjrgreen at btinternet.com>
>
>> Hi Michel,****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Thank you for your email****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I tried to follow the instructions on http://html5media.info/****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *In the <head> of my web page:* <script src="
>> http://api.html5media.info/1.1.5/html5media.min.js"></script>****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *In the body of the web page:* <audio src="
>> http://webradio.radiomonitor.com/stream/Crimson-AAC" controls
>> preload></audio>****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I?m viewing the web page in IE10****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> The stream works ok using a standard embedded windows media player****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Robert****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Michel Memeteau [mailto:michel.memeteau at gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* 25 July 2013 11:54
>> *To:* html5media at googlegroups.com
>> *Cc:* rjrgreen at btinternet.com
>> *Subject:* Re: Internet Radio Station****
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Hi , What if the HTML code you have used ?
>>
>> Le jeudi 25 juillet 2013 12:45:08 UTC+2, Robert Green a ?crit :****
>>
>> Hi,****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> I?m a complete novice at this so these may be daft questions!****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> I?m trying to set up an internet radio station website for a friend using
>> Serif Webplus X6 software.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> They have supplied me with a stream -
>> http://webradio.radiomonitor.com/stream/Crimson-AAC****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> I?d like to embed the HTML5 player featured on http://html5media.info/on the webpage I create.
>> ****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> I?ve followed the instructions on the html5 webpage but on the live site
>> I just get the following error message ?Error: Unsupported audio type or
>> invalid path?****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Assuming I can get that fixed how would I then include track listings for
>> the radio station.****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Regards****
>>
>>  ****
>>
>> Rob****
>>
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From bruce.rodger at gmail.com  Wed Jul 24 23:01:13 2013
From: bruce.rodger at gmail.com (Bruce Rodger)
Date: Thu, 25 Jul 2013 00:01:13 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Alert Email
In-Reply-To: <95695bdf876455911f806562f76f0566@w2lie.net>
References: <COL125-W33BCB1E87D14FB348BA15CB2680@phx.gbl>
	<95695bdf876455911f806562f76f0566@w2lie.net>
Message-ID: <218E0BA3-764A-4D17-91D6-AFE67B06BACA@gmail.com>

Yes, icecast pushes the mount point into the command, so if it's running a shell script, you can pick out the mount point via $1.


On 24 Jul 2013, at 17:39, Phil - w2lie <w2lie at w2lie.net> wrote:

> That would be possible if you call out a script in the connect or disconnect actions.
> 
>  
> I'm told that Icecast pushes the mount point as a variable, but I was unable to find any documentation.  Does Icecast push the mount point to the on-connect and on-disconnect scripts as a variable?
> 
> From the online docs:
> 
>     <mount>
> 
>         <on-connect>/home/icecast/bin/source-start</on-connect>
>         <on-disconnect>/home/icecast/bin/source-end</on-disconnect>
>     </mount>
>  
> ---
> Phil / w2lie
> http://www.w2lie.net
> On 2013-07-24 12:33, Miguel s wrote:
> 
>> anyone knows if is possible to create an email alert to notify me when a mount point is connecting and disconnecting?
>> 
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From medios_sin_amos at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 29 14:54:33 2013
From: medios_sin_amos at hotmail.com (Miguel s)
Date: Mon, 29 Jul 2013 09:54:33 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Alert Email
In-Reply-To: <COL125-W33BCB1E87D14FB348BA15CB2680@phx.gbl>
References: <COL125-W33BCB1E87D14FB348BA15CB2680@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <COL125-W1339F0668B655CAC5A32E7B2550@phx.gbl>

Hi, this was the code that resolved my problem, thank you all for the help, I could send email alerts to different email
the sender of these alerts is "icecast stream server"
The subject with these alerts is coming "midominio.com:8000/mountpoint.ogg CONECTADO"


#!/bin/bash
#
THEDATE=$(date +%F" a las "%H:%M)
SUBJECT="midominio.com:8000/$1 CONECTADO"
EMAIL="usuario at gmail.com, usuario at hotmail.com, usuario at riseup.net, usuario at yaho.com"
 
rm /home/icecast/emailmessage.txt
EMAILMESSAGE="/home/icecast/emailmessage.txt"
echo "Punto de montaje midominio.com:8000/$1 conectado con el servidor el d?a $THEDATE." > $EMAILMESSAGE
 
# send an email using /bin/mail
/usr/bin/mail -s "$SUBJECT" "$EMAIL" < $EMAILMESSAGE

From: medios_sin_amos at hotmail.com
To: icecast at xiph.org
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2013 11:33:40 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Alert Email




anyone knows if is possible to create an email alert to notify me when a mount point is connecting and disconnecting?
 		 	   		  

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From derek at derekjones.net  Wed Jul 31 07:46:46 2013
From: derek at derekjones.net (Derek Jones)
Date: Wed, 31 Jul 2013 08:46:46 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Newbie Questions
Message-ID: <037F9CFFAB5C44F2B1422C55F2B060F8@fastmail.co.uk>

Hi  

Many thanks for providing this software. 

I have version v2.0.0 b1023 installed on a QNAP NAS. The station is working fine (http://digitalcarnage.myqnapcloud.com:8002/stream). However I do have a few questions.

How do I submit my station to the Icecast directory? I may have got it wrong but I understood that the application submitted it automatically? Or do I have to submit/create and XML file etc.

The MP3 link works fine at http://digitalcarnage.myqnapcloud.com:8002 but the XSPF link returns: "Could not parse XSLT file"  What have I missed here.

I have had a good look around for this one so I'm guessing its a "no" but can you have multiple streams? through the same port/server?

Finally, and this is finally. I'd like to get a better understanding of Relay Servers and how they are used in IceStation and also "Mounts" What they are and how to use them.

Kind regards

Del 

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