[Icecast] Shoutcast directory listing?

Raymond Lutz raylutz at cognisys.com
Thu Mar 1 10:25:22 PST 2012

I don't think -- from what I've been able to discern -- that your 
scenario below will work, starting with "once you've done that".
My own attempts to get something going in this regard stopped even 
earlier, as I as attempting not to use a winamp source but a 
server-based playlist. Shoutcast folks were apparently moving to Y2 
support and their side was seriously broken at the time.

It took a lot of trial and error to get the shoutcast machine set up.

Finally, this configuration worked.
portbase     srcip     destip     serverport_1     serverip_1
8080     (no spec)     (no spec)     8080     localhost

My strategy was as follows:
1. Try to get listed on shoutcast with a fixed playlist on the server. I 
haven't solved this yet, but should probably try again.
2. See if your theory that it is possible to relay an icecast stream 
through shoutcast and be correctly listed. I have a humch this may not work.
3. If not, then run the icecast server and shoutcast servers in 
parallel. Since my station at http://www.AirProgressive.org uses an 
extensive perl script to "get_next" track to play, this will likely need 
to be recoded slightly to become a wrapper around a call to a program 
that can be called by Shoutcast and will generate the same track.

I wonder if anyone has actually tried relaying a stream through 
shoutcast AND getting it listed. It would save me a lot of time if we 
can settle whether this actually works or not.


On 3/1/2012 7:48 AM, Leo Currie wrote:
> I think the message is pretty clear: The Shoutcast directory only 
> lists Shoutcast servers.
> However, it would seem logical that if a Shoutcast server was setup to 
> relay an Icecast server (i.e. the Shoutcast source is an Icecast 
> server) then it would still be listed in the Shoutcast directory as 
> normal.
> I would assume that the goal of this kind of setup would be to gain a 
> wider audience.
> However, it should be understood that any listeners arriving from the 
> Shoutcast directory would connect to the Shoutcast server, not the 
> Icecast server.
> I've never tried this, but assuming you have a working Icecast server, 
> I imagine the steps to getting the Shoutcast relay working would be:
> 1) Setup a Shoutcast server
> 2) Setup the default Shoutcast source client (Winamp?)
> 3) Test that the server works with a Shoutcast listener client (Winamp 
> again!)
> 4) Test that the server is then being listed in the public Shoutcast 
> directory
> Once you've done that, then you could switch over and use Icecast as a 
> source:
> 5) Configure Icecast to provide the correct content when Shoutcast 
> requests a stream (that's the <alias> directive stuff)
> 6) Reconfigure Shoutcast to relay Icecast
> 7) Repeat step 3 & 4.
> I'm not sure if others agree, but 'on-topic' for this list would just 
> be step (5) above.
> The rest of the steps would probably be better answered on the 
> Shoutcast forums, but you might find others on this list with more 
> experience who can add something.
> Leo
> On 29 February 2012 16:48, Romain Beauxis <toots at rastageeks.org 
> <mailto:toots at rastageeks.org>> wrote:
>     Hi all,
>     2012/2/29 Tom Swirly <tom at swirly.com <mailto:tom at swirly.com>>:
>     > On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 11:29 AM, Raymond Lutz
>     <raylutz at cognisys.com <mailto:raylutz at cognisys.com>> wrote:
>     >>
>     >> This is absolutely not "off-topic" and if this list will not
>     support this
>     >> VERY IMPORTANT discussion, then I will be happy to host the
>     discussion on a
>     >> different list for those who are interested. I have been trying
>     to solve
>     >> this for some time. Much of the problem so far has been
>     Shoutcast internal
>     >> problems (on their site) which I assume are cleared up now. My
>     current
>     >> assumption is it will be necessary to establish a second
>     shoutcast server
>     >> just to get in their directory.
>     >
>     >
>     > Generally this list has been extremely accepting of sincere
>     questions
>     > relating to internet radio!
>     >
>     > My theory is simply that no one knows the answer, not that
>     people are
>     > believing the question is off-topic.
>     I do not believe that this is off-topic at all. However, I personally
>     do not wish to support shoutcast YP technology, even though I
>     understand the importance of being listed there.
>     Romain
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