From thomas.ruecker at tieto.com  Sat Jul  7 21:15:52 2012
From: thomas.ruecker at tieto.com (=?UTF-8?B?UsO8Y2tlciBUaG9tYXM=?=)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 00:15:52 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast 2.3.3 + Debian
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On 07/07/12 23:54, ohio?fm wrote:
> Hello! When will the 2.3.3 update get kicked over to apt-get? Also,
That's up to the debian maintainers of icecast not us.
Please ask them. I have done so myself (see debian bug 652663),
but not received an update for a while.

> have a target date for your next major release? Thanks!

Please refer to my mail on the icecast-dev list for details.
No particular date has been set, it would be nice within the next few 
months.


Cheers

Thomas


From pm at nowster.me.uk  Sun Jul  8 15:21:31 2012
From: pm at nowster.me.uk (Paul Martin)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 16:21:31 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast 2.3.3 + Debian
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On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 12:15:52AM +0300, R?cker Thomas wrote:
> On 07/07/12 23:54, ohio?fm wrote:
> > Hello! When will the 2.3.3 update get kicked over to apt-get? Also,
> That's up to the debian maintainers of icecast not us.
> Please ask them. I have done so myself (see debian bug 652663),
> but not received an update for a while.

Use the source:

deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main non-free

That has 2.3.3kh1-dmo1.


-- 
Paul Martin <pm at nowster.me.uk>


From thomas.ruecker at tieto.com  Sun Jul  8 15:25:24 2012
From: thomas.ruecker at tieto.com (=?UTF-8?B?UsO8Y2tlciBUaG9tYXM=?=)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 18:25:24 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast 2.3.3 + Debian
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On 08/07/12 18:21, Paul Martin wrote:
> On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 12:15:52AM +0300, R?cker Thomas wrote:
>> On 07/07/12 23:54, ohio?fm wrote:
>>> Hello! When will the 2.3.3 update get kicked over to apt-get? Also,
>> That's up to the debian maintainers of icecast not us.
>> Please ask them. I have done so myself (see debian bug 652663),
>> but not received an update for a while.
> Use the source:
>
> deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main non-free
>
> That has 2.3.3kh1-dmo1.

I would strongly advise against putting a KH build to production use.
That's Karl's experimental branch.

How that ended up in debian-multimedia is beyond me.

Cheers

Thomas


From cdgraff at gmail.com  Sun Jul  8 17:42:42 2012
From: cdgraff at gmail.com (Alejandro)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 14:42:42 -0300
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast 2.3.3 + Debian
In-Reply-To: <4FF9A664.8000908@tieto.com>
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I'm using KH branch, into production, and work amazing well, with the
latest change into the Worker manager, one server can handle 25k concurrent
users with 8 cores, using nothing of ram... really the KH branch work
amazing well.

2012/7/8 R?cker Thomas <thomas.ruecker at tieto.com>

> On 08/07/12 18:21, Paul Martin wrote:
> > On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 12:15:52AM +0300, R?cker Thomas wrote:
> >> On 07/07/12 23:54, ohio?fm wrote:
> >>> Hello! When will the 2.3.3 update get kicked over to apt-get? Also,
> >> That's up to the debian maintainers of icecast not us.
> >> Please ask them. I have done so myself (see debian bug 652663),
> >> but not received an update for a while.
> > Use the source:
> >
> > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main non-free
> >
> > That has 2.3.3kh1-dmo1.
>
> I would strongly advise against putting a KH build to production use.
> That's Karl's experimental branch.
>
> How that ended up in debian-multimedia is beyond me.
>
> Cheers
>
> Thomas
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From thomas.ruecker at tieto.com  Sun Jul  8 17:50:04 2012
From: thomas.ruecker at tieto.com (=?windows-1252?Q?R=FCcker_Thomas?=)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 20:50:04 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast 2.3.3 + Debian
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On 08/07/12 20:42, Alejandro wrote:
> I'm using KH branch, into production, and work amazing well, with the 
> latest change into the Worker manager, one server can handle 25k 
> concurrent users with 8 cores, using nothing of ram... really the KH 
> branch work amazing well.
>
> 2012/7/8 R?cker Thomas <thomas.ruecker at tieto.com 
> <mailto:thomas.ruecker at tieto.com>>
>
>     On 08/07/12 18:21, Paul Martin wrote:
>     > On Sun, Jul 08, 2012 at 12:15:52AM +0300, R?cker Thomas wrote:
>     >> On 07/07/12 23:54, ohio?fm wrote:
>     >>> Hello! When will the 2.3.3 update get kicked over to apt-get?
>     Also,
>     >> That's up to the debian maintainers of icecast not us.
>     >> Please ask them. I have done so myself (see debian bug 652663),
>     >> but not received an update for a while.
>     > Use the source:
>     >
>     > deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org sid main non-free
>     >
>     > That has 2.3.3kh1-dmo1.
>
>     I would strongly advise against putting a KH build to production use.
>     That's Karl's experimental branch.
>
>     How that ended up in debian-multimedia is beyond me.
>

It sees far less testing and review than mainline.
The other day we had someone for whom Icecast suddenly started crashing. 
Turned out it was a kh build.

That said I do hope to see many useful features from the kh branch 
arrive in mainline over time.

Thomas

PS: You might want to turn off HTML mails for posting to mailing lists 
and learn to quote.


From remi.cardona at smartjog.com  Sun Jul  8 18:40:42 2012
From: remi.cardona at smartjog.com (=?windows-1252?Q?R=E9mi_Cardona?=)
Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2012 20:40:42 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast 2.3.3 + Debian
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Le 08/07/2012 19:50, R?cker Thomas a ?crit :
> It sees far less testing and review than mainline.
> The other day we had someone for whom Icecast suddenly started crashing. 
> Turned out it was a kh build.

I'll pipe in.

The company I work for has 1000+ audio (and some video) streams, serving
tens of thousands of listeners per stream, running on both icecast and
icecast-kh and _both_ have _huge_ race conditions. We experience many
crashes per day on the 50+ servers we have in production.

Last year, Laurent Defert, a colleague of mine had opened several trac
tickets with patches to fix race conditions found using Hellgrind (a
close relative of memcheck, the main Valgrind tool).

I can only encourage the Icecast community to look at those patches
(though they were done for the "regular" icecast, the same exercise can
and _should_ be done for icecast-kh).

Cheers,

R?mi

PS, if anyone has any questions, I'm almost always available on FreeNode
as remi` (with the backtick) or as remi|work.


From thomas.ruecker at tieto.com  Sun Jul  8 19:19:10 2012
From: thomas.ruecker at tieto.com (=?windows-1252?Q?R=FCcker_Thomas?=)
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2012 22:19:10 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast 2.3.3 + Debian
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On 08/07/12 21:40, R?mi Cardona wrote:
> Le 08/07/2012 19:50, R?cker Thomas a ?crit :
>> It sees far less testing and review than mainline.
>> The other day we had someone for whom Icecast suddenly started crashing.
>> Turned out it was a kh build.
> I'll pipe in.
>
> The company I work for has 1000+ audio (and some video) streams, serving
> tens of thousands of listeners per stream, running on both icecast and
> icecast-kh and _both_ have _huge_ race conditions. We experience many
> crashes per day on the 50+ servers we have in production.
Why have you not filed bugs about it then? Outlining the gravity of the 
problem?
Or at least brought it up on IRC.

> Last year, Laurent Defert, a colleague of mine had opened several trac
> tickets with patches to fix race conditions found using Hellgrind (a
> close relative of memcheck, the main Valgrind tool).
I suspect you mean
https://trac.xiph.org/ticket/1810

The ticket does not suggest that those are in any way proven and grave 
issues.
It merely suggests them as 'potential' issues.
As such it didn't make it into 2.3.3 and was deferred for 2.4.
If you have proof that those race conditions occur on your systems it 
would have
been beneficial to know that earlier. We are of course interested in 
Icecast being
as stable as possible.

> I can only encourage the Icecast community to look at those patches
> (though they were done for the "regular" icecast, the same exercise can
> and _should_ be done for icecast-kh).
As we are currently actively merging things to trunk, #1810 was on my 
list anyway.

Thanks again for your work and feedback, it's highly appreciated.

Cheers

Thomas



From remi.cardona at smartjog.com  Sun Jul  8 22:04:55 2012
From: remi.cardona at smartjog.com (=?windows-1252?Q?R=E9mi_Cardona?=)
Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2012 00:04:55 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast 2.3.3 + Debian
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Le 08/07/2012 21:19, R?cker Thomas a ?crit :
> Why have you not filed bugs about it then? Outlining the gravity of the
> problem?
> Or at least brought it up on IRC.

The biggest reason is that the network ops at my company don't report
many of the crashes/bugs to us (I'm on the dev side). They install monit
[1] on all the servers and have it restart icecast as soon as something
goes wrong. So up until recently, I didn't think the situation was as
bad as it really is.

The second reason was this race work done done outside our regular
assignments so we had no authorization to put this on production servers...

> I suspect you mean
> https://trac.xiph.org/ticket/1810

Indeed.

> The ticket does not suggest that those are in any way proven and grave
> issues.
> It merely suggests them as 'potential' issues.
[...]
> As such it didn't make it into 2.3.3 and was deferred for 2.4.
> If you have proof that those race conditions occur on your systems it
> would have
> been beneficial to know that earlier. We are of course interested in
> Icecast being
> as stable as possible.

The thing is, finding proof and factual evidence of race conditions is
one of the hardest thing one can do in any programming language. So far,
the most common "proof" I've seen on production servers are double
free() (which trigger an abort() on Linux), listener counters not
incrementing/decrementing properly and socket leaks. All those issues
are almost impossible to reproduce, which is what lead us to the race
condition theory and to run icecast in Hellgrind.

Hellgrind is a god-send as it emulates a CPU and records (almost) all
memory operations and analyzes if/how locks are taken. So apart from a
few false-positives (though I haven't seen any while working on
icecast), all the errors reported by Hellgrind are indeed race
conditions waiting to happen.

FTR, Laurent and I only tested those patches on our own machines. Those
patches could impact icecast's performance significantly. Consider them
a work in progress.

Cheers,

R?mi

[1] http://mmonit.com/monit/


From thomas.ruecker at tieto.com  Tue Jul 17 22:13:22 2012
From: thomas.ruecker at tieto.com (=?windows-1252?Q?R=FCcker_Thomas?=)
Date: Wed, 18 Jul 2012 01:13:22 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast 2.4 beta release
Message-ID: <5005E382.9010704@tieto.com>

This is to announce the release of Icecast 2.4 beta.

We've landed some important features and we're looking forward to testing and feedback.
As this is a beta release please discuss it on the icecast-dev mailing list.
(Please do NOT cross-post to both, do not reply to the icecast mailing list).

New features -

     Support for Ogg Opus streams
     Support for WebM streams


Bug fixes -

     Fixes for some race conditions
     Allow (standard strftime(3)) %x codes in <dump-file>. Disabled for win32.
     Dropped debian packaging directory as debian use their own.

There's more and significant changes in the pipe-line before the final 2.4, so stay tuned.

Notes:
The race condition fixes include one that can impact Icecast performance for setups where there are hundreds of concurrent source connections. On the other hand it prevents bad-things? from happening in those setups.

If you used % in your dump-file names so far, this release might break that due to the newly introduced strftime support.

Cheers

Thomas B. Ruecker



From loipersb at gmail.com  Sat Jul 28 12:36:06 2012
From: loipersb at gmail.com (Hubert Gabler)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 14:36:06 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] MP3 Tags in icecast?
Message-ID: <5013DCB6.5090709@gmail.com>

Hello!
Maybe this question has been asked many times before, but searching the 
archives of the last 2 years I did not find an answer.
I have installed icecast2 and darkice on a PC running on Ubuntu 12.04. 
Streaming works fine on both other PCs, players and even Squeezebox 
Radio. There is only one problem: the players do not show the MP3-Tags 
of the songs played.
Is this a property of the Icecast Server or did I miss something during 
installation?

Thanks for any suggestion!
Hubert



From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Sat Jul 28 13:04:05 2012
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 16:04:05 +0300 (IDT)
Subject: [Icecast] MP3 Tags in icecast?
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References: <5013DCB6.5090709@gmail.com>
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2012, Hubert Gabler wrote:

> I have installed icecast2 and darkice on a PC running on Ubuntu 12.04.
> Streaming works fine on both other PCs, players and even Squeezebox
> Radio. There is only one problem: the players do not show the MP3-Tags
> of the songs played.

This is because Darkice is getting its audio from the soundcard 
(presumably) and thus has no idea about which songs are being played and 
therefore cannot pass this information on to Icecast.

How are you playing your music?  Perhaps it's possible for whatever you're 
using to send audio directly to Icecast without needing to use Darkice and 
send title information as well.

If not, there may be other options.

Geoff.



From geoff at QuiteLikely.com  Sat Jul 28 15:13:53 2012
From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 18:13:53 +0300 (IDT)
Subject: [Icecast] MP3 Tags in icecast?
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On Sat, 28 Jul 2012, Hubert Gabler wrote:

> My mp3-files are on the PC that runs the icecast server. I open the one I 
> want to "broadcast" with the VLC-player (which shows title and artist of the 
> song).

VLC can stream direct to Icecast.  I did a quick Google about this. 
There's lots of documentation, a lot of it quite old but may still be 
applicable.  One can be found here: 
http://en.flossmanuals.net/vlc/ch015_streaming-to-icecast/

There's also some Youtube vids that I've not looked at but may be worth a 
look if they're newer.

HTH,
Geoff.



From loipersb at gmail.com  Sat Jul 28 17:46:12 2012
From: loipersb at gmail.com (Hubert Gabler)
Date: Sat, 28 Jul 2012 19:46:12 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] MP3 Tags in icecast? (solved)
Message-ID: <50142564.10406@gmail.com>

Hello Geoff,

after adjusting the directions 
inhttp://en.flossmanuals.net/vlc/ch015_streaming-to-icecast/ from their 
VLC 0.8.5 to my VLC 2.0.1 and some experimenting it finally worked! For 
ogg-files to begin with but mp3 will soon follow, I'm sure.

Thank you so much for this advice!

Hubert




From engineering at ohio.fm  Sat Jul  7 21:01:36 2012
From: engineering at ohio.fm (=?UTF-8?B?b2hpb+KAomZt?=)
Date: Sat, 07 Jul 2012 21:01:36 -0000
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast 2.3.3 + Debian
Message-ID: <CAEVy_nNVvp7zAF97F3ZL3_t+MAxGY8fWvJ3P2PbbNBqKXf5i4w@mail.gmail.com>

Hello! When will the 2.3.3 update get kicked over to apt-get? Also,
have a target date for your next major release? Thanks!


From imjustice at hotmail.com  Sun Jul 15 17:40:22 2012
From: imjustice at hotmail.com (MARC JUSTICE)
Date: Sun, 15 Jul 2012 17:40:22 -0000
Subject: [Icecast] Banned email addresses?!
In-Reply-To: <SNT107-W57BAF121E0FCA224130D23BCD60@phx.gbl>
References: <SNT107-W57BAF121E0FCA224130D23BCD60@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <SNT107-W24E37F8BD23A0FFA57048BCD50@phx.gbl>


Was trying to register on your Icecast forums.  Each of three email addresses I entered to register have all been banned?  What the hell?  I haven't even been to this site, I think.  I have questions!
 
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From juantello1234 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 20 17:00:48 2012
From: juantello1234 at gmail.com (juantello)
Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 17:00:48 -0000
Subject: [Icecast] Any android source client for icecast ?
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Hello.

Icecast client for android
http://droidtools.sourceforge.net/content/icecast-client-android
http://droidtools.sourceforge.net/content/libogglibvorbis-and-libshout-libraries-android


piloro wrote:
> 
> Hi everybody.
> Any development on this?
> 
> Andrea
> 
> 
> Thomas.Rucker wrote:
>> 
>> He's asking for a SOURCE client, not a _listener_ client.
>> 
>> I don't think such a thing exists at the moment.
>> 
>> 
>> TBR
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
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