From raylutz at cognisys.com  Sun Aug  7 00:49:54 2011
From: raylutz at cognisys.com (Raymond Lutz)
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 17:49:54 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Trouble getting in icecast Directory
Message-ID: <4E3DE132.1050802@cognisys.com>

I have been trying to get my station listed in the icecast directory.  I 
would appreciate someone reviewing this to see what is wrong. I've 
studied the documentation and I think I am doing what is required, but 
my station is not showing up in the icecast yp directory.

I'm using icecast 2.3.2

I have the directory entry in the icecast.xml config file:

<directory>
<yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
<yp-url>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
</directory>

and in mount, I have

<public>1</public>
<no-yp>0</no-yp>

I use ices 0.4 as the source with a perl script to serve files to it. My 
ices.conf file has the following in it:

<Stream>
<Server>
<Hostname>airprogressive.org</Hostname>
    ...
<Public>1</Public>
    ...

========
In configure.log, the final configure defines for the icecast compile 
are pasted below:
========

## confdefs.h. ##
## ----------- ##

#define PACKAGE_NAME "Icecast"
#define PACKAGE_TARNAME "icecast"
#define PACKAGE_VERSION "2.3.2"
#define PACKAGE_STRING "Icecast 2.3.2"
#define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT "icecast at xiph.org"
#define PACKAGE "icecast"
#define VERSION "2.3.2"
#define STDC_HEADERS 1
#define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1
#define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1
#define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1
#define HAVE_STRING_H 1
#define HAVE_MEMORY_H 1
#define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1
#define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1
#define HAVE_STDINT_H 1
#define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1
#define HAVE_DLFCN_H 1
#define _FILE_OFFSET_BITS 64
#define _GNU_SOURCE 1
#define STDC_HEADERS 1
#define TIME_WITH_SYS_TIME 1
#define HAVE_ALLOCA_H 1
#define HAVE_PWD_H 1
#define CHUID 1
#define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1
#define CHROOT 1
#define HAVE_LOCALTIME_R 1
#define HAVE_POLL 1
#define HAVE_NANOSLEEP 1
#define HAVE_SYS_SOCKET_H 1
#define HAVE_SOCKLEN_T 1
#define HAVE_SYS_SELECT_H 1
#define HAVE_SYS_UIO_H 1
#define HAVE_SETHOSTENT 1
#define HAVE_GETNAMEINFO 1
#define HAVE_ENDHOSTENT 1
#define HAVE_GETADDRINFO 1
#define HAVE_INET_ATON 1
#define HAVE_WRITEV 1
#define HAVE_STRUCT_SOCKADDR_STORAGE_SS_FAMILY 1
#define HAVE_INET_PTON 1
#define HAVE_XSLTSAVERESULTTOSTRING 1
#define HAVE_OGG 1
#define HAVE_PTHREAD_SPIN_LOCK 1
#define HAVE_PTHREAD 1
#define HAVE_CURL_CURL_H 1
#define HAVE_CURL 1
#define HAVE_AUTH_URL 1
#define HAVE_CURL_GLOBAL_INIT 1
#define USE_YP 1

==========================
Which says curl is available and YP is selected, the two things I noted 
were required to support YP interaction.

Here is the admin information to see if you can spot a mistake:


      Global Server Stats

admin 	icemaster at localhost
client_connections 	5022
clients 	7
connections 	5231
file_connections 	259
host 	airprogressive.org
listener_connections 	3160
listeners 	6
location 	Earth
server_id 	Icecast 2.3.2
server_start 	Wed, 27 Jul 2011 20:06:05 -0400
source_client_connections 	31
source_relay_connections 	0
source_total_connections 	31
sources 	1
stats 	0
stats_connections 	0


      Mount Point /stream

	


audio_info 	bitrate=32
bitrate 	32
genre 	News/Progressive Talk
listener_peak 	11
listeners 	6
listenurl 	http://airprogressive.org:8000/stream
max_listeners 	300
public 	1
server_description 	News/Progressive Talk Radio
server_name 	Air Progressive
server_type 	audio/mpeg
server_url 	http://airprogressive.org
slow_listeners 	31
source_ip 	216.180.238.41
stream_start 	Sat, 06 Aug 2011 01:52:44 -0400
title 	HijackingTruthShow1Whole - HijackingTruthShow1Whole
total_bytes_read 	207915182
total_bytes_sent 	839327733
user_agent 	ices/0.4 libshout/2.2.2
yp_currently_playing 	HijackingTruthShow1Whole - HijackingTruthShow1Whole



Any ideas? THANKS!

--Ray

-- 
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Raymond Lutz
AirProgressive.org
c/o Citizens Oversight
771 Jamacha Rd #148
El Cajon, CA 92019 USA
Voice 619-447-3246
http//www.AirProgressive.org


-- 
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Raymond Lutz
Cognisys, Inc.
1010 Old Chase Ave., Bldg B
El Cajon (San Diego Cty), CA 92020 USA
Voice 619-447-3246
http//www.cognisys.com

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From abitar.com at gmail.com  Sun Aug  7 14:50:35 2011
From: abitar.com at gmail.com (David Saunders)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 10:50:35 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] router help
In-Reply-To: <002b01cc418a$c9d89b50$0300a8c0@farfar>
References: <002b01cc418a$c9d89b50$0300a8c0@farfar>
Message-ID: <CAOjZz+kxgEhRdyXxbvM6mgrw7Q+7muf9hE=HjbSva1e+RO1oLQ@mail.gmail.com>

Hey,

  ( try this again some how the browser burped and sent to soon)

 1.> First off try to find out the IP address that the router has.
(should be on router status page).

2> Using the IP that the router says you have, and a computer that is
external to your network, try using your internet browser and go to
http://<ip address of server>:8000  and see if you come up with the
server page from you icecast server. :)

Why I say a external computer from your network most routers come from
the factory not to loop back on itself.

Trying to set up the router to loop back in most cases is a pain to do
unless you understand the router and how it handles its routes. I gave
up after talking to our ISP and the tech support for the router  on
setting up a local loop-back so I ended up just putting the names of
our servers in the local DNS table to point to the internal IPs.

It also best to use a tool like IE or firefox to test it out is most
devices  have them set up.

You can use an external port scanner like Shields-up
https://www.grc.com/x/ne.dll?bh0bkyd2 to scan your router and see if
those port are open :)

 Also, do your ISP give a static IP address. If not you probably need
to look into a dynamic dns service.

David





On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Kristoffer Gustafsson
<kg84 at dreamwld.com> wrote:
> Hi.
> I think that I've got some prolems with my netgear router.
> When I try to play the stream on my own computer it works very well, with
> http://localhost:8000/stream.ogg
> Also, if replasing localhost with the ip adress of the computer it works.
> But when trying to access it from outside it doesn't work.
> I've opened up port 8000 and 8001 on my router.
> Any idea what can be wrong?
> Can I have missed something in my netgear router?
> /Kristoffer
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
>


From abitar.com at gmail.com  Sun Aug  7 15:40:32 2011
From: abitar.com at gmail.com (David Saunders)
Date: Sun, 7 Aug 2011 11:40:32 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] Max Icecast Listeners
In-Reply-To: <CAB=BY8smechyrCdAGG1M07ahZ7SwSFox2ui+oiVEQ0Dj23jLHw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <4E2EFEF0.1080301@cognisys.com>
	<CAB=BY8smechyrCdAGG1M07ahZ7SwSFox2ui+oiVEQ0Dj23jLHw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOjZz+kBvtSOfF++TiqDFDLg5Naxk1mwveWwiHb28L46McoQjA@mail.gmail.com>

ok,

  First, 32kbps is not 32 Kibps :)   one is bits/sec and the other is
Bytes/Sec  and companies are again merging the use of them cause it
easier to charge for bytes the bits :D
Second,  Bandwidth is used more then one way,  one one hand is how big
the pipe is and the other is is how big the pool your filling up is :)
 The impotent is the number of users or the pipe size for determine
the number of concurrent users you can have.  Lot of services sell
bandwidth on a monthly bases, and not by the pipe they feed it at, if
you buy 600G/month it would nearly impassible to use all that
bandwidth in 1 hour since most services pipes are not that big to
server out at once.   Remember also you need upload bandwidth, not
download :)

  At 32k you can have about 40/M you have in active bandwidth :)

  We uses about the same , we handle on average about 800 listeners of
our servers on a busy night across multiple streams.  We use Pent 4
with 1GB memory (yes it old but why change something that works) and
its fed by a 50M/50M fios line now.  We estimate close to 2000
listeners capacity, and Since we get only a little over 1000 at peak
we still have some room to grow.

When we had 2 1M lines feeding our services, we could barely handle
100 on 2 servers,  peaked out just short of 90, Since we used 26k as
out stream speed we were able edge out a little more then 32k :)   We
had a back up stream server service for over capacity nights.  It was
a mess to manage, since we neer could get the the users to change
servers once the where conected, I had a script that load balanced
between the servers. Not cause the server could not handle them cause
we needed to balance the 2 internet feeds and the remote stream
services.  I wanted to give the clients 1 address to use and we could
shift them around on the servers as we felt it was needed.

But since we moved for fios, we basicly dropped to 1 stream server and
a backup for the Murphy law :)   We keep all the streaming on the main
server , We even played with sources to connect to the backup server
:)

My experiences with the icecast servers they will only limited by the
pipe you connect to it :)
David


On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 2:11 PM, Michael Smith <msmith at xiph.org> wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:52 AM, Raymond Lutz <raylutz at cognisys.com> wrote:
>> I am curious if anyone has had enough experience to know --> how many
>> simultaneous listeners can be supported by typical server boxes,
>> assuming unlimited bandwidth is available?
>
> Icecast scales pretty well, to the point that assuming unlimited
> bandwidth is not an appropriate assumption.
>
>>
>> My specific case:
>> My server (http://www.AirProgressive.org) is on a Linux VPS server
>> located in a datacenter and on a optical backbone so that bandwidth is
>> not the problem. Each connection I am running is at 32kbps and 22050 Hz
>> sampling rate (mono) since the program is "talk radio". The bandwidth
>> available per month is 6000 GB and at an average of 4.5 hours per week
>> of listening, which is what similar stations had in this area of the
>> same genre, I can service about 21,000 listeners per month. ?The peak
>> would be at least 562 listeners at any one time, which is the average.
>> Let's just assume the peak is 10,000 listeners at a time. How many
>> servers do I need to support that? (and more importantly, how do I
>> figure it out?)
>
> At 32 kbps? About one. Note that this is well over 300 Mb/s; you
> should ensure that your network connection is actually able to sustain
> this.
>
> See the load tests on the icecast website that were done quite a few years ago.
>
>>
>> Q2: does icecast provide any warnings when it finds it is unable to keep
>> up with the workload? What sort of failure mode will occur? Gaps in the
>> transmission, dropped listeners, ?
>>
>
> The log files will show dropped listeners, but there's no good
> high-level interface to show you that cpu load is a problem.
>
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>


From Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com  Sun Aug  7 21:40:20 2011
From: Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com (Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 00:40:20 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] Trouble getting in icecast Directory
In-Reply-To: <4E3DE132.1050802@cognisys.com>
References: <4E3DE132.1050802@cognisys.com>
Message-ID: <5E49EEF5B3B23549BAF01B43D0C2BB30175C9A6F12@EXMB03.eu.tieto.com>

Hi Ray,

My bets are on a wrong hostname setting or similar.
Please bump up your log level to 4/dbug, restart icecast and then examine the error.log.
This should hopefully give you some idea why it's failing.

Cheers

Thomas

From raylutz at cognisys.com  Mon Aug  8 00:46:26 2011
From: raylutz at cognisys.com (Raymond Lutz)
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 17:46:26 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Trouble getting in icecast Directory
In-Reply-To: <5E49EEF5B3B23549BAF01B43D0C2BB30175C9A6F12@EXMB03.eu.tieto.com>
References: <4E3DE132.1050802@cognisys.com>
	<5E49EEF5B3B23549BAF01B43D0C2BB30175C9A6F12@EXMB03.eu.tieto.com>
Message-ID: <4E3F31E2.7030809@cognisys.com>

This was resolved, (sorry, you lose the bet) but for some reason, the 
icecast directory lists it if I search for "Air", "Air Progressive", or 
"Progressive" but it does not if I search for "air". I hope this can be 
corrected or perhaps locate the source of the error. Perhaps someone 
else can try to search for it and verify that it is not specific to me.
--Ray


On 8/7/2011 2:40 PM, Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com wrote:
> Hi Ray,
>
> My bets are on a wrong hostname setting or similar.
> Please bump up your log level to 4/dbug, restart icecast and then examine the error.log.
> This should hopefully give you some idea why it's failing.
>
> Cheers
>
> Thomas
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>

-- 
---------------------------------------
Raymond Lutz
Cognisys, Inc.
1010 Old Chase Ave., Bldg B
El Cajon (San Diego Cty), CA 92020 USA
Voice 619-447-3246
http//www.cognisys.com



From raylutz at cognisys.com  Mon Aug  8 00:48:35 2011
From: raylutz at cognisys.com (Raymond Lutz)
Date: Sun, 07 Aug 2011 17:48:35 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Trouble getting in icecast Directory
In-Reply-To: <4E3F2113.9070600@xiph.org>
References: <4E3DE132.1050802@cognisys.com> <4E3DE49C.5090204@xiph.org>
	<4E3E0CDA.40907@cognisys.com> <4E3F2113.9070600@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <4E3F3263.7070508@cognisys.com>

Yes, it is a "vague term" but it should match nonetheless. Is the 
directory code open source? If so, I don't mind locating the error and 
proposing a correction. First step is to have other people confirm that 
they get the same results that I do.

On 8/7/2011 4:34 PM, Karl Heyes wrote:
> On 07/08/11 04:56, Raymond Lutz wrote:
>> Okay, it is working now. I see it when I search for "air progressive" or
>> "progressive" or "Air" but it is not found if I search for "air". Can
>> you check on that? Thanks.
>
> There are 4 pages that match air, it's a vague term and probably case 
> sensitive (I didn't write the directory code), you are better off with 
> something more specific than air in the search.
>
>
> karl.
>
>
>> --Ray
>>
>> On 8/6/2011 6:04 PM, Karl Heyes wrote:
>>> On 07/08/11 01:49, Raymond Lutz wrote:
>>>> I have been trying to get my station listed in the icecast 
>>>> directory. I
>>>> would appreciate someone reviewing this to see what is wrong. I've
>>>> studied the documentation and I think I am doing what is required, but
>>>> my station is not showing up in the icecast yp directory.
>>>
>>> I see your entry going in and being validated, I don't see any reason
>>> for a drop here. At this very moment I see it in the DB just fine.
>>> Check your error log for lines with yp in them. If there is some long
>>> delay between an update or if the stream terminates then the entry
>>> will go
>>>
>>> karl.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>

-- 
---------------------------------------
Raymond Lutz
Cognisys, Inc.
1010 Old Chase Ave., Bldg B
El Cajon (San Diego Cty), CA 92020 USA
Voice 619-447-3246
http//www.cognisys.com



From Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com  Mon Aug  8 04:47:29 2011
From: Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com (Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com)
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2011 07:47:29 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] Trouble getting in icecast Directory
In-Reply-To: <4E3F3263.7070508@cognisys.com>
References: <4E3DE132.1050802@cognisys.com> <4E3DE49C.5090204@xiph.org>
	<4E3E0CDA.40907@cognisys.com> <4E3F2113.9070600@xiph.org>
	<4E3F3263.7070508@cognisys.com>
Message-ID: <5E49EEF5B3B23549BAF01B43D0C2BB30175C9A6F42@EXMB03.eu.tieto.com>

Hi,

>-----Original Message-----
>From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On
>Behalf Of Raymond Lutz
>
>Yes, it is a "vague term" but it should match nonetheless. Is the
>directory code open source? If so, I don't mind locating the error and
>proposing a correction. First step is to have other people confirm that
>they get the same results that I do.

AFAIU this should be close to what is running:
https://trac.xiph.org/browser/branches/dir.xiph.org/

if you want to check it out using svn:
http://svn.xiph.org/branches/dir.xiph.org/


BTW: For me it is on the second page of results when I search for 'air', so WFM.
http://dir.xiph.org/search?search=air&page=1 
(this might change as the order is randomized every now and then IIRC)

Cheers

Thomas


From raylutz at cognisys.com  Mon Aug  8 16:47:47 2011
From: raylutz at cognisys.com (Raymond Lutz)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 09:47:47 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Trouble getting in icecast Directory
In-Reply-To: <5E49EEF5B3B23549BAF01B43D0C2BB30175C9A6F42@EXMB03.eu.tieto.com>
References: <4E3DE132.1050802@cognisys.com> <4E3DE49C.5090204@xiph.org>
	<4E3E0CDA.40907@cognisys.com> <4E3F2113.9070600@xiph.org>
	<4E3F3263.7070508@cognisys.com>
	<5E49EEF5B3B23549BAF01B43D0C2BB30175C9A6F42@EXMB03.eu.tieto.com>
Message-ID: <4E401333.9070505@cognisys.com>

Okay, it is working now. I can only guess that I was getting stuck in 
cached results. It may be necessary to add nocache metatag to the page, 
but I am considering this whole issue closed for now. My next step is 
getting listed in the shoutcast directory. I will ask that question 
separately so it can be found in the archives.

On 8/7/2011 9:47 PM, Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On
>> Behalf Of Raymond Lutz
>>
>> Yes, it is a "vague term" but it should match nonetheless. Is the
>> directory code open source? If so, I don't mind locating the error and
>> proposing a correction. First step is to have other people confirm that
>> they get the same results that I do.
> AFAIU this should be close to what is running:
> https://trac.xiph.org/browser/branches/dir.xiph.org/
>
> if you want to check it out using svn:
> http://svn.xiph.org/branches/dir.xiph.org/
>
>
> BTW: For me it is on the second page of results when I search for 'air', so WFM.
> http://dir.xiph.org/search?search=air&page=1
> (this might change as the order is randomized every now and then IIRC)
>
> Cheers
>
> Thomas
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>

-- 
---------------------------------------
Raymond Lutz
Cognisys, Inc.
1010 Old Chase Ave., Bldg B
El Cajon (San Diego Cty), CA 92020 USA
Voice 619-447-3246
http//www.cognisys.com



From raylutz at cognisys.com  Mon Aug  8 17:15:42 2011
From: raylutz at cognisys.com (Raymond Lutz)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 10:15:42 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Shoutcast directory listing?
Message-ID: <4E4019BE.2000405@cognisys.com>

I've been reading posts on the difficulty in getting an icecast stream 
listed in the shoutcast directory. Apparently, it is necessary to run 
the shoutcast server to do this. Before I go down a cheeseless rathole, 
I thought I'd pass this over this list to see what response I would get. 
>From what I have read, it is not possible to relay an icecast stream to 
a shoutcast server. Various posts say that you must start with shoutcast 
server and use icecast as the relay. (I don't want to do this because we 
already have a perl script written to work with ices and I don't want to 
have to redo it to work with shoutcast. It looks feasible but will still 
be quite a bit of work because there is no state saved between calls 
from shoutcast. In ices, all program state can be maintained in memory.)

The reason I am opening up this issue again is because it appears that 
shoutcast has introduced a relay mechanism in their calendaring facility 
(see http://www.shoutcast2.com/stream/sc_trans/)

    - A new type of event as been added to the calendaring system that
    allows you to relay other stations. (see calendarxml.txt for more
    information)

in calendarxml.txt it says:

    3.3   Relay Events
    ------------------

    This allows you to make use of the relaying support within sc_trans
    and so when used in
    the event system will allow you to control when a relay is allowed
    to connect to you
    sc_trans instance (much like the DJ support mentioned earlier).


    The parameters supported for this event type are:

    url : Specify the url of the source to be relayed.

    priority : Specify the priority of the source when a relay event
    overlaps with that of
                another relay event. The result in this case is that the
    relay event with the
                highest priority will become active.

                Note: Supported priority values are 1 (default) and higher.


    e.g. This would enable the relaying of the stream on 'my_site' on
    port 9000

    <relay url="http://my_site:9000" priority="1"/>

    Note: It may be necessary to append /; onto the end of the url as in
    some cases the wrong
           mime type will be returned from the server and so causes the
    relay url fail to be
           recognised by sc_trans. This depends on the server.


What is wrong with this scenario.
1. Currently running icecast server 2.3.2 and ices0.4 using mp3 
(32kbps/22050Hz) and custom perl script to serve up the content. 
(AirProgressive.org).
2. Install shoutcast dnas and sc_trans
3. use calendaring system to add a relay from icecast,
<relay url="http://airprogressive.org:8000/stream" priority="1"/>

Anyone tried this yet?
 From just reading it, it seems like it might work, but I am worried 
that relaying the listening stream is not the right way to go. Is there 
some reason it is not feasible to relay the same stream that would be 
sent to a listener?

THANKS!

--Ray

-- 
---------------------------------------
Raymond Lutz
Cognisys, Inc.
1010 Old Chase Ave., Bldg B
El Cajon (San Diego Cty), CA 92020 USA
Voice 619-447-3246
http//www.cognisys.com

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From karl at xiph.org  Mon Aug  8 17:58:21 2011
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: Mon, 08 Aug 2011 18:58:21 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Shoutcast directory listing?
In-Reply-To: <4E4019BE.2000405@cognisys.com>
References: <4E4019BE.2000405@cognisys.com>
Message-ID: <4E4023BD.8040403@xiph.org>

On 08/08/11 18:15, Raymond Lutz wrote:
> I've been reading posts on the difficulty in getting an icecast stream
> listed in the shoutcast directory. Apparently, it is necessary to run
> the shoutcast server to do this. Before I go down a cheeseless rathole,

The protocol for the directory is different to ours and when it was 
stated that entries not from shoutcast servers would be banned then no 
one went for reverse engineering it.

> I thought I'd pass this over this list to see what response I would get.
> From what I have read, it is not possible to relay an icecast stream to
> a shoutcast server. Various posts say that you must start with shoutcast
> server and use icecast as the relay. (I don't want to do this because we
> already have a perl script written to work with ices and I don't want to
> have to redo it to work with shoutcast. It looks feasible but will still
> be quite a bit of work because there is no state saved between calls
> from shoutcast. In ices, all program state can be maintained in memory.)
>

you should be able to allow shoutcast to relay icecast by adding an 
alias of / to /stream

<alias source="/" dest="/stream" />

you can also optionally add port or bind-address in there so that it 
only applies to requests on those incoming ports/addresses.

karl.


From Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com  Tue Aug  9 04:59:57 2011
From: Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com (Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 07:59:57 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] Shoutcast directory listing?
In-Reply-To: <4E4019BE.2000405@cognisys.com>
References: <4E4019BE.2000405@cognisys.com>
Message-ID: <5E49EEF5B3B23549BAF01B43D0C2BB30175C9A7331@EXMB03.eu.tieto.com>

*snip*

SC explicitly forbids listing streams that are not served by SC servers in their TOS.

If you want to run SC, that however is not an Icecast problem, sorry.

Thomas

From ross at stationplaylist.com  Tue Aug  9 05:28:11 2011
From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 17:28:11 +1200
Subject: [Icecast] Shoutcast directory listing?
In-Reply-To: <5E49EEF5B3B23549BAF01B43D0C2BB30175C9A7331@EXMB03.eu.tieto.com>
References: <4E4019BE.2000405@cognisys.com>
	<5E49EEF5B3B23549BAF01B43D0C2BB30175C9A7331@EXMB03.eu.tieto.com>
Message-ID: <005401cc5655$22ca8b90$685fa2b0$@com>

I don't see that Nullsoft can do anything about it if Icecast was modified
to update the SC directory exactly emulating SC Server.  We would then
utilize Icecast server for all our hosting, which is much more flexible.
But our customers cannot do without being listed on the popular SC
directory.  Currently we have about 98% SC servers and 2% Icecast.

-----Original Message-----
From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On Behalf
Of Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com
Sent: Tuesday, 9 August 2011 5:00 p.m.
To: raylutz at cognisys.com; icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [Icecast] Shoutcast directory listing?

*snip*

SC explicitly forbids listing streams that are not served by SC servers in
their TOS.

If you want to run SC, that however is not an Icecast problem, sorry.

Thomas
_______________________________________________
Icecast mailing list
Icecast at xiph.org
http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast




From Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com  Tue Aug  9 08:44:15 2011
From: Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com (Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com)
Date: Tue, 9 Aug 2011 11:44:15 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] Shoutcast directory listing?
In-Reply-To: <005401cc5655$22ca8b90$685fa2b0$@com>
References: <4E4019BE.2000405@cognisys.com>
	<5E49EEF5B3B23549BAF01B43D0C2BB30175C9A7331@EXMB03.eu.tieto.com>
	<005401cc5655$22ca8b90$685fa2b0$@com>
Message-ID: <5E49EEF5B3B23549BAF01B43D0C2BB30175C9A749C@EXMB03.eu.tieto.com>

I hear rumours that it's not too hard.
There was implicit discussion.

STILL we can not encourage that people violate the express rules of Nullsoft.
This would make the Icecast project look bad.

Besides we encourage to use ogg/vorbis for streaming and there the situation
is constantly improving. I think even streaming to Android devices should
work now (someone please confirm on latest version). Firefox already
supports it (including the mobile browser Fennec AFAICT) and Mozilla is slowly
crawling closer to finalizing chaining support. There are flash objects that
allow playback of ogg/vorbis streaming.

Using ogg/vorbis for streaming is viable.
It takes us and you to tell that to the potential streaming services that
they don't have to use mp3 for everything. How would they else know?

My 0,02?

Thomas

From raylutz at cognisys.com  Tue Aug  9 17:28:06 2011
From: raylutz at cognisys.com (Raymond Lutz)
Date: Tue, 09 Aug 2011 10:28:06 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Shoutcast directory listing?
In-Reply-To: <5E49EEF5B3B23549BAF01B43D0C2BB30175C9A749C@EXMB03.eu.tieto.com>
References: <4E4019BE.2000405@cognisys.com>
	<5E49EEF5B3B23549BAF01B43D0C2BB30175C9A7331@EXMB03.eu.tieto.com>
	<005401cc5655$22ca8b90$685fa2b0$@com>
	<5E49EEF5B3B23549BAF01B43D0C2BB30175C9A749C@EXMB03.eu.tieto.com>
Message-ID: <4E416E26.1050904@cognisys.com>

My experience with such things leads me to believe that this current 
domination of shoutcast is temporary. It reminds me of the yahoo! 
directories and the struggle to get listed prior to Google. Whether it 
is temporary or not, it is a real concern of anyone implementing a 
server with Icecast. I hope the moderators of this list will allow the 
community to discuss the issue, but if it is too spicy, I don't mind 
moving the discussion a rogue list.

(I don't agree that it is viable to ignore mp3. My decision has been to 
ignore ogg/vorbis for now, because my radio station uses feeds from many 
sources, almost all of which are mp3. Only one feed I have found is 
.aac, and none are .ogg. In my attempts to convert mp3 to ogg, I have 
not found a reliable solution yet. Plus, this is guaranteed to be worse 
than just transmitting the mp3 directly, since both formats are lossy. I 
have been told that it is smart to convert mp3 to ogg but that just 
sounds silly to me.)

The shoutcast directory issue is a real issue for any icecast user that 
wants to promote their streams on various directories, including the 
shoutcast directory.

As background, I use a fairly extensive perl script that feeds mp3 
content to ices0.4 and to icecast2.3.2. The script runs on the server 
but I also want to support live feeds on a separate mount point. 
(http://www.AirProgressive.org)

I see five options (please correct my thinking on these -- I haven't 
tried them all):

1) emulate the interaction with shoutcast both when streaming and with 
YP interaction to fool it into thinking that an shoutcast server is 
talking to it. (Q: does a stream look identical from icecast as from sc? 
If you have any information on this or want to discuss it further 
separate from xiph.org, please contact me directly.)

2) install shoutcast server and relay from icecast to sc_serv. Thus 
streaming is through shoutcast but YP interaction is still (from what I 
have extracted from the documentation) with the source of the relay, and 
thus the icecast server would need to emulate the sc YP protocol as in 
option 1.

3) install shoutcast server and sc_trans and use the new calendar.xml 
setup to accept a relay stream from icecast and feed it through sc_trans 
and sc_serv. That "should" eliminate both the streaming interaction and 
YP interaction from any need for emulation and be in complete compliance 
with any expectations of nullsoft.

4) establish a scripting wrapper that will allow a single script to be 
callable from both icecast and shoutcast. The main difference here (if 
using perl) is that icecast "use"es the perl module, gracefully calling 
the initialization and shutdown procedures, maintaining data in memory 
between calls, etc. while shoutcast simply calls a command-line script 
and expects a list of tracks as STDOUT. The wrapper would wind up 
calling a script the way sc does, so no program state can be stored in 
memory, which is now possible with icecast. Other entry points of the 
API would be to move to the next track, restart, etc. I already had to 
implement a number of watchdogs to keep track of the processes and 
restart them if there were any glitches.

Certainly, option 4 does not violate any expectations of nullsoft, 
because it means we have to run the entire shoutcast server and sc_trans 
in parallel with the icecast server, so they should be happy. The 
downside to this option is I don't know how to deal with live-feeds 
going to two servers at the same time.

5) perform all the work as #4 and move the script to shoutcast as the 
primary server and use icecast only as a relay server. I think this may 
eliminate the troublesome live feed issue, complies with nullsoft 
expectations.

As a side comment, I notice there is no common use of RSS 2.0 to 
describe the radio station content. Since RSS 2.0 commonly describes 
static documents or media, It would require a "best practices" standard 
to be written to say exactly how a given radio station would describe 
itself. This would be a viable project for xiph.org, and the result 
would be that any radio station could describe itself and be aggregated 
into directories without the proprietary hooks that are currently being 
utilized. A source to the server would update the RSS page each time a 
track was changed and number of listeners changed. (Drawback would be 
that it would be easier for station owners to inflate the number of 
listeners.)

-- Ray Lutz

On 8/9/2011 1:44 AM, Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com wrote:
> I hear rumours that it's not too hard.
> There was implicit discussion.
>
> STILL we can not encourage that people violate the express rules of Nullsoft.
> This would make the Icecast project look bad.
>
> Besides we encourage to use ogg/vorbis for streaming and there the situation
> is constantly improving. I think even streaming to Android devices should
> work now (someone please confirm on latest version). Firefox already
> supports it (including the mobile browser Fennec AFAICT) and Mozilla is slowly
> crawling closer to finalizing chaining support. There are flash objects that
> allow playback of ogg/vorbis streaming.
>
> Using ogg/vorbis for streaming is viable.
> It takes us and you to tell that to the potential streaming services that
> they don't have to use mp3 for everything. How would they else know?
>
> My 0,02?
>
> Thomas
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast

-- 
---------------------------------------
Raymond Lutz
Cognisys, Inc.
1010 Old Chase Ave., Bldg B
El Cajon (San Diego Cty), CA 92020 USA
Voice 619-447-3246
http//www.cognisys.com



From sula at rps.cz  Wed Aug 10 09:21:22 2011
From: sula at rps.cz (=?iso-8859-2?B?qXVsYSBNaWxvuQ==?=)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 11:21:22 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast2 client
Message-ID: <2A3F2375F0B542AE8CB63534198251A3@musumperk.cz>

Hi,
 i have succesfully installed icecast2 server on linux and now i am looking for a client which can be embeded into html code to play ogg audio stream directly from html page.
I have tried to embed WMP and it does work well, but WMP cannot seek the stream.

best regards
Milos Sula


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From raylutz at cognisys.com  Wed Aug 10 16:28:26 2011
From: raylutz at cognisys.com (Raymond Lutz)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 09:28:26 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast2 client
In-Reply-To: <2A3F2375F0B542AE8CB63534198251A3@musumperk.cz>
References: <2A3F2375F0B542AE8CB63534198251A3@musumperk.cz>
Message-ID: <4E42B1AA.5070709@cognisys.com>

check out open-source ffmp3. I use it on http://AirProgressive.org. It 
has multiple skins and it says it plays ogg, but I haven't tried that 
feature.

http://ffmp3.sourceforge.net/

This player is VERY ROBUST and will continue to try to connect to the 
stream if there are any glitches. I like the instant-on feature when the 
page is first opened. Was very easy to install BUT requires flash 
support, so it will not work in some mini browsers, like in Blackberries 
and iphones that don't use flash, so you have to still provide connect 
links.

--Ray Lutz

On 8/10/2011 2:21 AM, S(ula Milos( wrote:
> Hi,
>  i have succesfully installed icecast2 server on linux and now i am 
> looking for a client which can be embeded into html code to play ogg 
> audio stream directly from html page.
> I have tried to embed WMP and it does work well, but WMP cannot seek 
> the stream.
> best regards
> Milos Sula
>
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast

-- 
---------------------------------------
Raymond Lutz
Cognisys, Inc.
1010 Old Chase Ave., Bldg B
El Cajon (San Diego Cty), CA 92020 USA
Voice 619-447-3246
http//www.cognisys.com

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From owl700 at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 18:43:36 2011
From: owl700 at gmail.com (owl700 at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 20:43:36 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast2 client
In-Reply-To: <2A3F2375F0B542AE8CB63534198251A3@musumperk.cz>
References: <2A3F2375F0B542AE8CB63534198251A3@musumperk.cz>
Message-ID: <CA+J-J2PqOC=wd3aqT=78ifsC65StEC6TRJAs-QGqrT=yqm8HAg@mail.gmail.com>

2011/8/10 ?ula Milo? <sula at rps.cz>:
> Hi,
> ?i have succesfully installed icecast2 server on linux and now i am looking
> for a client which can be embeded into html code to play ogg audio stream
> directly from html page.
> I have tried to embed WMP and it does work well, but WMP cannot seek the
> stream.
>
> best regards
> Milos Sula
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
>

Take a look http://www.javazoom.net/jlgui/jlgui.html


From raylutz at cognisys.com  Sat Aug 13 19:28:12 2011
From: raylutz at cognisys.com (Raymond Lutz)
Date: Sat, 13 Aug 2011 12:28:12 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Ultravox 3 Protocol
Message-ID: <4E46D04C.4060306@cognisys.com>

Would anyone in the icecast/xiph community like to comment on the 
significance of the Ultravox 3 Protocol?


Ref:

http://wiki.winamp.com/w/index.php?title=SHOUTcast_2_%28Ultravox_2.1%29_Protocol_Details
http://hackipedia.org/Protocols/Internet/HTTP/pdf,%20shoutcast/Ultravox%203.0%20protocol%20spec.pdf.raw-conversion.utf-8.txt

THANKS!!

--Ray

-- 
---------------------------------------
Raymond Lutz
Cognisys, Inc.
1010 Old Chase Ave., Bldg B
El Cajon (San Diego Cty), CA 92020 USA
Voice 619-447-3246
http//www.cognisys.com



From Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com  Sun Aug 14 08:04:00 2011
From: Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com (Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com)
Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 11:04:00 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] Ultravox 3 Protocol
In-Reply-To: <4E46D04C.4060306@cognisys.com>
References: <4E46D04C.4060306@cognisys.com>
Message-ID: <5E49EEF5B3B23549BAF01B43D0C2BB30175CAC8227@EXMB03.eu.tieto.com>

Hi,

>-----Original Message-----
>From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On
>Behalf Of Raymond Lutz
>
>Would anyone in the icecast/xiph community like to comment on the
>significance of the Ultravox 3 Protocol?
>

Looks like a successor to the ICY protocol and thus most likely not more than one closed source implementation exists. It is not an RFC and is copyright AOL and Cisco.
Please notice section 6.

My recommendation from an FOSS perspective: stay away from it!

My 0,02?

Thomas

From bijantics at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 04:29:03 2011
From: bijantics at gmail.com (Bijan Berenji)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:29:03 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams
Message-ID: <4E532C8F.80709@gmail.com>

Hi,

I'm having a problem listening to the KING operamobile-48 or 
evergreenmobile-48 m3u streams?
http://icy2.abacast.com/king-evergreenmobile-48.m3u, and 
http://icy2.abacast.com/king-operamobile-48.m3u .  Does anyone else have 
this problem?  Anyone know of a way to fix the problem?

BJ




From greg at indexcom.com  Tue Aug 23 04:42:31 2011
From: greg at indexcom.com (Greg Ogonowski)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:42:31 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams
In-Reply-To: <4E532C8F.80709@gmail.com>
References: <4E532C8F.80709@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <078501cc614f$12209e60$3661db20$@indexcom.com>

These are HE-AAC streams. They are working here just fine.
Make sure your player correctly supports HE-AAC streams.
-greg.
ORBAN


-----Original Message-----
From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On Behalf
Of Bijan Berenji
Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 21:29
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams

Hi,

I'm having a problem listening to the KING operamobile-48 or
evergreenmobile-48 m3u streams?
http://icy2.abacast.com/king-evergreenmobile-48.m3u, and
http://icy2.abacast.com/king-operamobile-48.m3u .  Does anyone else have
this problem?  Anyone know of a way to fix the problem?

BJ


_______________________________________________
Icecast mailing list
Icecast at xiph.org
http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast



From stargate7thsymbol at live.co.uk  Tue Aug 23 04:46:48 2011
From: stargate7thsymbol at live.co.uk (Me Myself and I)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 15:16:48 +1030
Subject: [Icecast] Removal from email list
Message-ID: <BAY159-W54A5770EDA1D53406525B5D02E0@phx.gbl>


Could my email address be removed from the users list?

stargate7thsymbol at live.co.uk

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From Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com  Tue Aug 23 04:48:47 2011
From: Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com (Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com)
Date: Tue, 23 Aug 2011 07:48:47 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] Removal from email list
In-Reply-To: <BAY159-W54A5770EDA1D53406525B5D02E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY159-W54A5770EDA1D53406525B5D02E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <5E49EEF5B3B23549BAF01B43D0C2BB301765643AAD@EXMB03.eu.tieto.com>

You could just try to click on the link that is displayed at the bottom of each email...

Thomas

From bijantics at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 04:57:15 2011
From: bijantics at gmail.com (Bijan Berenji)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:57:15 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams
In-Reply-To: <078501cc614f$12209e60$3661db20$@indexcom.com>
References: <4E532C8F.80709@gmail.com>
	<078501cc614f$12209e60$3661db20$@indexcom.com>
Message-ID: <4E53332B.3000702@gmail.com>

It plays in neither Windows Media Player nor Real Player.

On 8/22/2011 9:42 PM, Greg Ogonowski wrote:
> These are HE-AAC streams. They are working here just fine.
> Make sure your player correctly supports HE-AAC streams.
> -greg.
> ORBAN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On Behalf
> Of Bijan Berenji
> Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 21:29
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm having a problem listening to the KING operamobile-48 or
> evergreenmobile-48 m3u streams?
> http://icy2.abacast.com/king-evergreenmobile-48.m3u, and
> http://icy2.abacast.com/king-operamobile-48.m3u .  Does anyone else have
> this problem?  Anyone know of a way to fix the problem?
>
> BJ
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>



From greg at indexcom.com  Tue Aug 23 05:01:16 2011
From: greg at indexcom.com (Greg Ogonowski)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:01:16 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams
In-Reply-To: <4E53332B.3000702@gmail.com>
References: <4E532C8F.80709@gmail.com>
	<078501cc614f$12209e60$3661db20$@indexcom.com>
	<4E53332B.3000702@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <07c101cc6151$b0c99d30$125cd790$@indexcom.com>

Bijan-

It will play in Windows Media Player 12, however there is a Microsoft bug
(never heard of that), that requires you to click on the seek bar to
actually start the audio output after you have connected to the stream URL.
This only happens on Icecast2 sourced streams, not SHOUTcast, for whatever
reason. I am trying to reach Microsoft about this, but so far, have been
unsuccessful. I just tried again earlier this morning.

RealPlayer is doomed. That should just go away.

You can also use good old reliable Winamp.

-greg.
ORBAN


-----Original Message-----
From: Bijan Berenji [mailto:bijantics at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 21:57
To: Greg Ogonowski
Cc: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams

It plays in neither Windows Media Player nor Real Player.

On 8/22/2011 9:42 PM, Greg Ogonowski wrote:
> These are HE-AAC streams. They are working here just fine.
> Make sure your player correctly supports HE-AAC streams.
> -greg.
> ORBAN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On 
> Behalf Of Bijan Berenji
> Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 21:29
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm having a problem listening to the KING operamobile-48 or
> evergreenmobile-48 m3u streams?
> http://icy2.abacast.com/king-evergreenmobile-48.m3u, and 
> http://icy2.abacast.com/king-operamobile-48.m3u .  Does anyone else 
> have this problem?  Anyone know of a way to fix the problem?
>
> BJ
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>



From bijantics at gmail.com  Tue Aug 23 06:08:51 2011
From: bijantics at gmail.com (Bijan Berenji)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:08:51 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams
In-Reply-To: <07c101cc6151$b0c99d30$125cd790$@indexcom.com>
References: <4E532C8F.80709@gmail.com>
	<078501cc614f$12209e60$3661db20$@indexcom.com>
	<4E53332B.3000702@gmail.com>
	<07c101cc6151$b0c99d30$125cd790$@indexcom.com>
Message-ID: <4E5343F3.3080505@gmail.com>

Hi,

Thanks, that helps.  What I really want however, is an MP3 stream that 
can play on a WI-FI mp3 player.  I know the m3u streams, but they wont 
play.   I can find the stream for the regular KING HD-1, but not for 
opera or evergreen.

Bijan

On 8/22/2011 10:01 PM, Greg Ogonowski wrote:
> Bijan-
>
> It will play in Windows Media Player 12, however there is a Microsoft bug
> (never heard of that), that requires you to click on the seek bar to
> actually start the audio output after you have connected to the stream URL.
> This only happens on Icecast2 sourced streams, not SHOUTcast, for whatever
> reason. I am trying to reach Microsoft about this, but so far, have been
> unsuccessful. I just tried again earlier this morning.
>
> RealPlayer is doomed. That should just go away.
>
> You can also use good old reliable Winamp.
>
> -greg.
> ORBAN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bijan Berenji [mailto:bijantics at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 21:57
> To: Greg Ogonowski
> Cc: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: Re: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams
>
> It plays in neither Windows Media Player nor Real Player.
>
> On 8/22/2011 9:42 PM, Greg Ogonowski wrote:
>> These are HE-AAC streams. They are working here just fine.
>> Make sure your player correctly supports HE-AAC streams.
>> -greg.
>> ORBAN
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On
>> Behalf Of Bijan Berenji
>> Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 21:29
>> To: icecast at xiph.org
>> Subject: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm having a problem listening to the KING operamobile-48 or
>> evergreenmobile-48 m3u streams?
>> http://icy2.abacast.com/king-evergreenmobile-48.m3u, and
>> http://icy2.abacast.com/king-operamobile-48.m3u .  Does anyone else
>> have this problem?  Anyone know of a way to fix the problem?
>>
>> BJ
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Icecast mailing list
>> Icecast at xiph.org
>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>>



From greg at indexcom.com  Tue Aug 23 06:31:16 2011
From: greg at indexcom.com (Greg Ogonowski)
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2011 23:31:16 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams
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M3U is just a playlist file, and can actually specify different types of
streams: MP3, AAC, OGG, for example.
The Logitech Squeezebox Product Family plays these streams nicely, although
you will need to create an account on the Logitech Squeezebox site to add
custom/favorite streams which are not in their Directory. This is no big
deal though.
-greg.
ORBAN

-----Original Message-----
From: Bijan Berenji [mailto:bijantics at gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 23:09
To: Greg Ogonowski
Cc: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams

Hi,

Thanks, that helps.  What I really want however, is an MP3 stream that can
play on a WI-FI mp3 player.  I know the m3u streams, but they wont 
play.   I can find the stream for the regular KING HD-1, but not for 
opera or evergreen.

Bijan

On 8/22/2011 10:01 PM, Greg Ogonowski wrote:
> Bijan-
>
> It will play in Windows Media Player 12, however there is a Microsoft 
> bug (never heard of that), that requires you to click on the seek bar 
> to actually start the audio output after you have connected to the stream
URL.
> This only happens on Icecast2 sourced streams, not SHOUTcast, for 
> whatever reason. I am trying to reach Microsoft about this, but so 
> far, have been unsuccessful. I just tried again earlier this morning.
>
> RealPlayer is doomed. That should just go away.
>
> You can also use good old reliable Winamp.
>
> -greg.
> ORBAN
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bijan Berenji [mailto:bijantics at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 21:57
> To: Greg Ogonowski
> Cc: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: Re: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams
>
> It plays in neither Windows Media Player nor Real Player.
>
> On 8/22/2011 9:42 PM, Greg Ogonowski wrote:
>> These are HE-AAC streams. They are working here just fine.
>> Make sure your player correctly supports HE-AAC streams.
>> -greg.
>> ORBAN
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On 
>> Behalf Of Bijan Berenji
>> Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 21:29
>> To: icecast at xiph.org
>> Subject: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm having a problem listening to the KING operamobile-48 or
>> evergreenmobile-48 m3u streams?
>> http://icy2.abacast.com/king-evergreenmobile-48.m3u, and 
>> http://icy2.abacast.com/king-operamobile-48.m3u .  Does anyone else 
>> have this problem?  Anyone know of a way to fix the problem?
>>
>> BJ
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>> Icecast mailing list
>> Icecast at xiph.org
>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>>



From contact at junglised.co.uk  Wed Aug 24 08:43:09 2011
From: contact at junglised.co.uk (Huw - Junglised)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 09:43:09 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams
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That's interesting, I didn't know m3u files could do that.
Are they built up using xml?

On 23/08/2011 07:31, Greg Ogonowski wrote:
> M3U is just a playlist file, and can actually specify different types of
> streams: MP3, AAC, OGG, for example.
> The Logitech Squeezebox Product Family plays these streams nicely, although
> you will need to create an account on the Logitech Squeezebox site to add
> custom/favorite streams which are not in their Directory. This is no big
> deal though.
> -greg.
> ORBAN
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bijan Berenji [mailto:bijantics at gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 23:09
> To: Greg Ogonowski
> Cc: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: Re: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams
>
> Hi,
>
> Thanks, that helps.  What I really want however, is an MP3 stream that can
> play on a WI-FI mp3 player.  I know the m3u streams, but they wont
> play.   I can find the stream for the regular KING HD-1, but not for
> opera or evergreen.
>
> Bijan
>
> On 8/22/2011 10:01 PM, Greg Ogonowski wrote:
>> Bijan-
>>
>> It will play in Windows Media Player 12, however there is a Microsoft
>> bug (never heard of that), that requires you to click on the seek bar
>> to actually start the audio output after you have connected to the stream
> URL.
>> This only happens on Icecast2 sourced streams, not SHOUTcast, for
>> whatever reason. I am trying to reach Microsoft about this, but so
>> far, have been unsuccessful. I just tried again earlier this morning.
>>
>> RealPlayer is doomed. That should just go away.
>>
>> You can also use good old reliable Winamp.
>>
>> -greg.
>> ORBAN
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bijan Berenji [mailto:bijantics at gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 21:57
>> To: Greg Ogonowski
>> Cc: icecast at xiph.org
>> Subject: Re: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams
>>
>> It plays in neither Windows Media Player nor Real Player.
>>
>> On 8/22/2011 9:42 PM, Greg Ogonowski wrote:
>>> These are HE-AAC streams. They are working here just fine.
>>> Make sure your player correctly supports HE-AAC streams.
>>> -greg.
>>> ORBAN
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On
>>> Behalf Of Bijan Berenji
>>> Sent: Monday, 22 August, 2011 21:29
>>> To: icecast at xiph.org
>>> Subject: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams
>>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I'm having a problem listening to the KING operamobile-48 or
>>> evergreenmobile-48 m3u streams?
>>> http://icy2.abacast.com/king-evergreenmobile-48.m3u, and
>>> http://icy2.abacast.com/king-operamobile-48.m3u .  Does anyone else
>>> have this problem?  Anyone know of a way to fix the problem?
>>>
>>> BJ
>>>
>>>
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Icecast mailing list
>>> Icecast at xiph.org
>>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>>>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast


From Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com  Wed Aug 24 09:34:17 2011
From: Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com (Thomas.Rucker at tieto.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Aug 2011 12:34:17 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] king fm m3u streams
In-Reply-To: <4E54B99D.7010205@junglised.co.uk>
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Hi,

>From: Huw - Junglised
>
>That's interesting, I didn't know m3u files could do that.
>Are they built up using xml?

How about you open one in a text editor? :)
Or use google to find out more about 'm3u file format'

Thomas


From ocmcdaniel at gmail.com  Tue Aug 30 21:15:13 2011
From: ocmcdaniel at gmail.com (Olin McDaniel)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 01:15:13 +0400
Subject: [Icecast] AudioCream 1966 - Little Red Riding Hood
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In case anyone has noted that the version of "Little Red Riding Hood" by Sam
the Sham and the Pharaohs being played on the 1966 channel doesn't sound
"quite right" that is because it is a re-record of the original record.
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From: petricadobrescu at yahoo.com (Dobrescu Petrica)
Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2011 09:06:52 -0700 (PDT)
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From bmschwar at fas.harvard.edu  Wed Aug 10 16:44:19 2011
From: bmschwar at fas.harvard.edu (Benjamin M. Schwartz)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 16:44:19 -0000
Subject: [Icecast] [theora] OGG Theora streaming
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On 06/26/2011 09:44 AM, WCI Peter Lewis wrote:
> We are a online media company and are developing a new product that uses
> theora for video streaming.

Great!

> We used your free Visonair OGG streamer to
> test and it worked perfect .

We are the producers of Ogg and Theora, but not of Visionair.  Visionair
is developed by a third party (actually, I don't even know what person or
company is responsible for Visionair).

> We would like to find out if your experts can
> help us complete our OGG streamer software. We are able to connect to
> icecast but the stream is unstable and buffers 90% of the time. We just
> need to get the streaming to the point where it is streaming smoothly with
> very little buffering .

This sounds like a problem with Visionair.  You should consider contacting
them for assistance.

--Ben

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From djrobsmith at gmail.com  Wed Aug 10 21:06:58 2011
From: djrobsmith at gmail.com (Rob Smith)
Date: Wed, 10 Aug 2011 21:06:58 -0000
Subject: [Icecast] [theora-dev] [theora] OGG Theora streaming
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Whilst the problem being described is not related to visonair and that
if the software they are trying to develop, I am the creator behind
the visonair project.  I kinda shelved the project as the entire thing
was an experiment (although it failed! It presaged YouTube!) anyway,
the site is still up at http;//visonair.cravecreate.com and directory
at http;//dir.cravecreate.com this will be switching off in November
when my contract with the hosting company ends.

Of you need any help I may be able to shed some light on this problem

Regards

Rob

On 8/10/11, Benjamin M. Schwartz <bmschwar at fas.harvard.edu> wrote:
> On 06/26/2011 09:44 AM, WCI Peter Lewis wrote:
>> We are a online media company and are developing a new product that uses
>> theora for video streaming.
>
> Great!
>
>> We used your free Visonair OGG streamer to
>> test and it worked perfect .
>
> We are the producers of Ogg and Theora, but not of Visionair.  Visionair
> is developed by a third party (actually, I don't even know what person or
> company is responsible for Visionair).
>
>> We would like to find out if your experts can
>> help us complete our OGG streamer software. We are able to connect to
>> icecast but the stream is unstable and buffers 90% of the time. We just
>> need to get the streaming to the point where it is streaming smoothly with
>> very little buffering .
>
> This sounds like a problem with Visionair.  You should consider contacting
> them for assistance.
>
> --Ben
>
>