From bobdavcav at comcast.net Wed May 5 21:39:19 2010 From: bobdavcav at comcast.net (bob cavanaugh) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 14:39:19 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] creating a station from the ground up Message-ID: <000401caec9b$6bd33410$43799c30$@net> Hey all, I am looking to start my own station, but don't know where do start. I have edcast, so will use that to originate my programs. However, how do I set up a server to broadcast to? Thanks. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eichertc at googlemail.com Thu May 6 00:25:45 2010 From: eichertc at googlemail.com (Christian Eichert) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 02:25:45 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] creating a station from the ground up In-Reply-To: <000401caec9b$6bd33410$43799c30$@net> References: <000401caec9b$6bd33410$43799c30$@net> Message-ID: <4BE20C89.6000308@googlemail.com> I don't think this is a problem. Icecast is such a application. All you need is to install the server somewhere on a shell and use a client such as ices to stream to the server. How to install these 2 Applications is very easy, and mainly depending on the operating system you want to use. I recommend you to use DR DOS. Its a Operating System with roots in the early 70's its small and fast like hell, and almost unknown. It has a compiler and you can compile Icecast on it. The oficial Site is http://www.drdos.com/ inofficial sites are http://www.drdos.net/ or http://www.drdos.org/ http://www.unet.univie.ac.at/~a0503736/php/drdoswiki/index.php [...] Modern DOS systems like Enhanced Dr-DOS and FreeDOS have much more features than old MS-DOS - so forget about old days of MS-DOS. ;-) DOS is the only family of operating system which can play your mp3s, check your e-mails or browse the internet and only needs /~20 MB RAM/ and /0.1GB/ of hard disk. You can f.e. start a mp3 player one second after BIOS check (Mpxplay ). Linux tools can be easily ported like Mplayer . Some Windows software are able to run in DOS using HX DOS Extender. With 4DOS a command line exists which is much better than Windows CMD or Bash. And most software is under an open source license (f.e. FreeDOS under GPL). [...] Christian Am 05.05.2010 23:39, schrieb bob cavanaugh: > > Hey all, I am looking to start my own station, but don't know where do > start. I have edcast, so will use that to originate my programs. > However, how do I set up a server to broadcast to? Thanks. > > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.hetherington at gmail.com Thu May 6 01:39:40 2010 From: william.hetherington at gmail.com (William Hetherington) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 18:39:40 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] creating a station from the ground up In-Reply-To: <000401caec9b$6bd33410$43799c30$@net> References: <000401caec9b$6bd33410$43799c30$@net> Message-ID: Hi bob, If you can give up some basic info - we can help you get started! How many people do you expect to listen to your streams? (Or better question: how many would you like to be able to support?) Do you know what bitrate your stream will be? Do you intend to rent a server - or run this from your home connection? If rented - What operating system will you be choosing? If you want to set something up in your home do you: a) Have a computer to run it on (it can be the same one you run Icecast on) b) What kind of internet connection do you have? The number of people you can support is directly relational to the upload capacity of your connection (and your stream bit rate) If you can answer these questions we can give you a much better idea! If you want some to just do all this for you, please feel free to send me a mail off-list, william.hetherington at gmail.com - I'd be happy to help. Regards, William Hetherington willskills.com On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:39 PM, bob cavanaugh wrote: > Hey all, I am looking to start my own station, but don?t know where do > start. I have edcast, so will use that to originate my programs. However, > how do I set up a server to broadcast to? Thanks. > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.hetherington at gmail.com Thu May 6 03:59:27 2010 From: william.hetherington at gmail.com (William Hetherington) Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 20:59:27 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] creating a station from the ground up In-Reply-To: <4be2362d.1302730a.7891.2899SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> References: <4be2362d.1302730a.7891.2899SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Hi Bob, Well, if you plan to do it from home - it's unlikely you'll be able to support more than 3 people on a domestic internet connection, broadcasting at 128kbps.....not sure what you have, connectivity wise there. Can you run a speedtest? http://speedtest.net Regards, William On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Bob Cavanaugh wrote: > Hi William, Here's what I've got, I don't think getting a server is free, > so will probably do it from the home computer. If I can get a server for > free, that's probably the way I'll go. I'll probably stream at 128 kbps. > > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: William Hetherington > To: icecast at xiph.org >> Date sent: Wed, 5 May 2010 18:39:40 -0700 >> Subject: Re: [Icecast] creating a station from the ground up >> > > Hi bob, >> > > If you can give up some basic info - we can help you get started! >> > > How many people do you expect to listen to your streams? (Or >> > better > >> question: how many would you like to be able to support?) >> Do you know what bitrate your stream will be? >> Do you intend to rent a server - or run this from your home >> > connection? > >> If rented - What operating system will you be choosing? >> If you want to set something up in your home do you: >> a) Have a computer to run it on (it can be the same one you run >> > Icecast on) > >> b) What kind of internet connection do you have? The number of >> > people you > >> can support is directly relational to the upload capacity of your >> > connection > >> (and your stream bit rate) >> > > If you can answer these questions we can give you a much better >> > idea! If you > >> want some to just do all this for you, please feel free to send >> > me a mail > >> off-list, william.hetherington at gmail.com - I'd be happy to help. >> > > Regards, >> > > William Hetherington >> willskills.com > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:39 PM, bob cavanaugh >> > wrote: > > Hey all, I am looking to start my own station, but don?t know >>> >> where do > >> start. I have edcast, so will use that to originate my >>> >> programs. However, > >> how do I set up a server to broadcast to? Thanks. >>> >> > _______________________________________________ >>> Icecast mailing list >>> Icecast at xiph.org >>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast >>> >> > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From william.hetherington at gmail.com Thu May 6 22:32:52 2010 From: william.hetherington at gmail.com (William Hetherington) Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 15:32:52 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] creating a station from the ground up In-Reply-To: <001801caed67$d485bfb0$7d913f10$@net> References: <4be2362d.1302730a.7891.2899SMTPIN_ADDED@mx.google.com> <001801caed67$d485bfb0$7d913f10$@net> Message-ID: Hi bob, Well - the upload is the important number when you are talking about delivering to other people. You could quite easily run icecast on a VPS (virtual private server) - it would certainly cost you to do this. I work for a streaming media company though, and could help you set up a station - if you're interested - please e-mail me directly - not through the mailing list. Thanks, William On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 3:02 PM, bob cavanaugh wrote: > Not sure what I have on upload, but download I?ve gotten close to 900 > kbps. Would it cost me anything to get a server? > > > > *From:* icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] *On > Behalf Of *William Hetherington > *Sent:* Wednesday, May 05, 2010 8:59 PM > *To:* icecast at xiph.org > > *Subject:* Re: [Icecast] creating a station from the ground up > > > > Hi Bob, > > > > Well, if you plan to do it from home - it's unlikely you'll be able to > support more than 3 people on a domestic internet connection, broadcasting > at 128kbps.....not sure what you have, connectivity wise there. > > > > Can you run a speedtest? http://speedtest.net > > > > Regards, > > > > William > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 8:26 PM, Bob Cavanaugh > wrote: > > Hi William, Here's what I've got, I don't think getting a server is free, > so will probably do it from the home computer. If I can get a server for > free, that's probably the way I'll go. I'll probably stream at 128 kbps. > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Hetherington To: icecast at xiph.org > Date sent: Wed, 5 May 2010 18:39:40 -0700 > Subject: Re: [Icecast] creating a station from the ground up > > > > Hi bob, > > > > If you can give up some basic info - we can help you get started! > > > > How many people do you expect to listen to your streams? (Or > > better > > question: how many would you like to be able to support?) > Do you know what bitrate your stream will be? > Do you intend to rent a server - or run this from your home > > connection? > > If rented - What operating system will you be choosing? > If you want to set something up in your home do you: > a) Have a computer to run it on (it can be the same one you run > > Icecast on) > > b) What kind of internet connection do you have? The number of > > people you > > can support is directly relational to the upload capacity of your > > connection > > (and your stream bit rate) > > > > If you can answer these questions we can give you a much better > > idea! If you > > want some to just do all this for you, please feel free to send > > me a mail > > off-list, william.hetherington at gmail.com - I'd be happy to help. > > > > Regards, > > > > William Hetherington > willskills.com > > > On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 2:39 PM, bob cavanaugh > > wrote: > > Hey all, I am looking to start my own station, but don?t know > > where do > > start. I have edcast, so will use that to originate my > > programs. However, > > how do I set up a server to broadcast to? Thanks. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bobdavcav at comcast.net Thu May 6 23:58:16 2010 From: bobdavcav at comcast.net (bobdavcav at comcast.net) Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 16:58:16 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] Speed test results bob cavanaugh! Message-ID: Hey icecast list, Here is my connection details, I tested my upload speed at www.testmy.net. I got 2178 Kbps or 266 kB/s (I tested with a 5983 kB file). If you don't believe me you can go to testmy.net and validate the score. http://testmy.net/stats/id-PM8WLJTGK ! This email was sent to you by your friend bob cavanaugh, from a web based form on testmy.net. Go to testmy.net and see if your upload speed can come close to 2178 Kbps. Hey, you may even be faster than bob cavanaugh... then it will be your turn to brag ;) To report abuse please forward this to abuse at testmy.net. From abitar.com at gmail.com Fri May 21 17:25:35 2010 From: abitar.com at gmail.com (David Saunders) Date: Fri, 21 May 2010 13:25:35 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] creating a station from the ground up In-Reply-To: <000401caec9b$6bd33410$43799c30$@net> References: <000401caec9b$6bd33410$43799c30$@net> Message-ID: What to start a server from the ground up? First off the most impotent thing you need is upstream Bandwidth, it don't mater how good your equipment is, your bandwidth is the most impotent part of building a icecast server. First decide on how many streams you want to host (the speed of them), Our main streams are low quality audio stream, like old time radio sometimes :) But we are talking it for audio announcements of sports events :) So we can expect 42 users per 1/M upload speed on the line. We were able to handle about 90 users on the 2 cable modem lines, and we rented overflow servers. Now on Fios, 30M/30M we expect 1200+ listeners. On the same servers. Once you found out what kind of bandwidth you have to work with you can think about stetting up your server :) I would recommend a computer that 2 t o3 years old :) It don't have to be a modern computer. Our servers been running several years now, and they where bough as used business machines off of ebay then. (for about 500 USD each) We have a pair of them because we had 2 cable feeding the servers. Since then we have updated to a FIOS connection and happy with that. And changed one server to the streaming server and the other to an audio archive server. Next a operating system.. Well i would recommend linux , which one, we are using fedora on ours, but I have personal one running on debian. Why i recommend this over windows? Well you have to reboot a windows server every now and then, our servers have 3 months on them and only was rebooted cause of OS updates. The drawback to this is, you may have problems knowing how to sftp into the server and edit the icecast.xml file. Also for servers, you can rent streaming servers depending on what you need done. In hte days before we had fios we rented up to 3 remote servers, only because they would limit the number of mounts you could have on them at a time. Now for a stream encoder. This is the client ran on the users computer to source the stream. Well you can use most of hte modern mp3 players, many have icecast server capacity. We recommend setting up the edcast server for our clients. its simple to set up and runs in windows. Well that it in a nutshell. I maintain the server for our service. Basically i fix them if they break. Which is due to an update or something i do. :) biggest thing in setting up a servers is the bandwidth for most people. :) David From olav at kvittem.no Sun May 23 21:43:22 2010 From: olav at kvittem.no (Olav Kvittem) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 23:43:22 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input Message-ID: <4BF9A17A.7020707@kvittem.no> Hi, How can I provide live mpeg4 feed to icecast2 ? I guess I will have a PAL composite signal or similar for input remotely. I will typically have a laptop with linux or windows XP available. I want to use a flash-player for viewing. Olav From xiphmont at xiph.org Sun May 23 22:28:36 2010 From: xiphmont at xiph.org (xiphmont at xiph.org) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 18:28:36 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input In-Reply-To: <4BF9A17A.7020707@kvittem.no> References: <4BF9A17A.7020707@kvittem.no> Message-ID: You can't, actually; the mp4 format has no provision for live streaming. It has to provide complete framing for a file up-front before video data delivery begins. You'll have to use VP6 or some other solution such as HTML5 with Ogg video. Soon, WebM will also be able to do this. Monty From engineermike at mindspring.com Mon May 24 00:55:50 2010 From: engineermike at mindspring.com (Mike Murrell) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 20:55:50 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input In-Reply-To: References: <4BF9A17A.7020707@kvittem.no> Message-ID: <002301cafadb$db0e9bf0$912bd3d0$@com> I streamed Mpeg4 via QuickTime for several years using the encoder and Helios server. Worked great with a QT player so it can be done but I don't know of a way to do it for free. Mike -----Original Message----- From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On Behalf Of xiphmont at xiph.org Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 6:29 PM To: Olav Kvittem Cc: icecast at xiph.org Subject: Re: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input You can't, actually; the mp4 format has no provision for live streaming. It has to provide complete framing for a file up-front before video data delivery begins. You'll have to use VP6 or some other solution such as HTML5 with Ogg video. Soon, WebM will also be able to do this. Monty _______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast at xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From bobdavcav at comcast.net Mon May 24 01:16:12 2010 From: bobdavcav at comcast.net (Bob Cavanaugh) Date: Sun, 23 May 2010 18:16:12 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] creating a station with internet explorer Message-ID: <20100524011031.CBE781C41AB@fraxinus.osuosl.org> Hey all, I didn't really get an answer to what I will need in order to create my internet station. I have a machine with Windows 7 that has Edcast installed on it, and I'd like to run the server from that machine. It has internet explorer 8, if that makes a difference. What software do I need to download to get broadcasting? From olav at kvittem.no Mon May 24 12:26:13 2010 From: olav at kvittem.no (Olav Kvittem) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 14:26:13 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input In-Reply-To: <002301cafadb$db0e9bf0$912bd3d0$@com> References: <4BF9A17A.7020707@kvittem.no> <002301cafadb$db0e9bf0$912bd3d0$@com> Message-ID: <4BFA7065.1080501@kvittem.no> Mike Murrell wrote: > I streamed Mpeg4 via QuickTime for several years using the encoder and > Helios server. Worked great with a QT player so it can be done but I don't > know of a way to do it for free. > I presume that separate players is to cumbersome for many users. Is it possible to use find something that can encode in real time(flv?) to a streaming server(icecast?) and be presented on most platforms like win, mac, linux as Flash do, paid or not paid ? I have and impression that html5 with ogg is not implemented widely in browsers yet. I noticed that there is a nice java applet(Cortado) that can do ogg, but I presume java is harder to install and thus less available than Flash. Olav > Mike > > -----Original Message----- > From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On Behalf > Of xiphmont at xiph.org > Sent: Sunday, May 23, 2010 6:29 PM > To: Olav Kvittem > Cc: icecast at xiph.org > Subject: Re: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input > > You can't, actually; the mp4 format has no provision for live > streaming. It has to provide complete framing for a file up-front > before video data delivery begins. > > You'll have to use VP6 or some other solution such as HTML5 with Ogg > video. Soon, WebM will also be able to do this. > > Monty > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > From hquu at yahoo.com Mon May 24 16:10:23 2010 From: hquu at yahoo.com (Patrick Bohnet) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 09:10:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Icecast] Icecast2 Station with multiple scheduled DJs? Message-ID: <377139.99998.qm@web57501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> I have been playing with Icecast only for a couple of days, and I am trying to figure out how to do something. I want a listener to have to only deal with one stream, but I want to be able to switch the source of that stream between multiple sources (DJs). The core idea is that the listener only deals with /live.mp3 while in the background I can problematically switch between a series of live sources (DJs) or an "Auto DJ Playlist" source - all based on a schedule for 24/7 content. The total amount of DJs is currently unknown (4+), as this is just the planing stages. So far I only have two ideas, neither of which seams optimal 1) use the move listener function to constantly shift users around to the correct DJ stream. 2) use a third party restream program, such as StreamTranscoder or LiquidSoap 3) use 4 dj mount points that fallback to each other and finally to the autoDJ, and make the DJs pick a stream to take over when their show starts. (this untested) (Long discussion on how I don't know how to do that, and ways that I have tried) So far I have tried the following (this is on a Debian machine running Icecast 2.3.2, all mounts are 128 kbs mp3, i can try a win32 version of icecast2, but I assume there should be no functional difference) ******************************************************************* This was my first setup to familiarize my self with icecast mount /EDH.mp3 is hidden and not public - it has a source of Winamp and edcast playing music from an old windows box I have mount /live.mp3 has a fallback to /EDH.mp3 with a fallback override of 1 If the listener connects(windows media player on a windows box) to /live.mp3.m3u they hear the autoDJ until i connect to /live.mp3 with SAM, afterwhich they hear me, until I disconnect... so far so good ******************************************************************* Next I tried the following, i wanted to try to swap the listener between two live sources mount /dj1.mp3 is playing music from Winamp/edcast on my old windows machine (classical music) mount /dj2.mp3 is playing music from Winamp/edcast on a second windows machine (Ozzy Osborn) mount /live.mp3 is setup with /dj1.mp3 as the fallback with fallback override set to 1 When a listener connects (using windows media player on a third windows machine), they hear dj1 I then, via the web interface (http://www.icecast.org/docs/icecast-trunk/icecast2_admn.html i.e. /admin/fallbacks?mount=/live.mp3&fallback=/dj2.mp3 ), change the fallback of /live.mp3 to /dj2.mp3 the listener still hears dj1 and does not hear dj2. if i disconnect the listener and re connect, I still heard dj1 and not dj2 even though when I use /admin/listmounts i see that /dj2.mp3 is listed as the new fallback. If i change the /etc/icecast2/icecast.xml to change the fallback there and then run /etc/init.d/icecast2 reload to reload the config, the listener still hears dj1, even on a listener reconnect. I even try a /etc/init.d/icecast2 restart and it does not change. only when I do a stop/start does any new connections to /live.mp3 switch to dj2 now, I am able to move listeners via the web interface from /live.mp3 to /dj2.mp3 and they hear dj2. But if i try to move them back to /live.mp3 (thinking that it might then trigger the "new" fallback) they again hear dj1 With some complicated checking, this might be a solution. ******************************************************************* Next i tried using two icecast servers Server A I remove /live.mp3 from server A, otherwise it is the same server as before Server B (second Debian box, same subnet as all the machines, otherwise identical configuration as Server A) I add a relay called /live.mp3 which is using /dj1.mp3 from Server A as the source If a user connects to /live.mp3 they hear dj1 if i change the xml (since there does not seam to be a web interface for editing relays) to point it to dj2 and do /etc/init.d/icecast2 reload nothing changes. The listener still hears dj1, even on a listener reconnect. If i do a stop/start only then does the listener hear the dj2, but it forces a reconnect and interrupts the user. ******************************************************************* Finally I tried using a third party program to act as the go between Server A (still has /dj1.mp3 and /dj2.mp3 with no change) Server B changed /live.mp3 from a relay to a mount with a fallback to /EDH.mp3 added /EDH.mp3 to this server and used a third windows box with Winamp and edcast to stream) on server B, I am running streamtranscoder from oddcast to stream /dj1.mp3 to /live.mp3 when a listener connects to server b /live.mp3 they hear dj1 when i stop the streamsstranscoder and run the one that points to /dj2.mp3 the user hears the autodj for just a second then they hear dj2 this solution does not actually need two icecast servers, i just had things setup this way and did not want to move them around just for this test this solution is re encoding the mp3 stream, which is a loss of quality ******************************************************************* it looks like my best option might be to have the DJs broadcast in 256kbs mount points that are hidden, and use liquidsoap to rebroadcast it to the live stream in 128kbs mp3. I can then control liquidsoap via an external programmatic interface which allows me to switch from DJ to DJ based on a timer, or to manually switch to a different show outside of the timer. I just don't like that it will reencode the audio. I was planning on using liquidsoap as the final auto dj (winamp/edcast was just for testing) anyway From toots at rastageeks.org Mon May 24 16:42:27 2010 From: toots at rastageeks.org (Romain Beauxis) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 11:42:27 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast2 Station with multiple scheduled DJs? In-Reply-To: <377139.99998.qm@web57501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <377139.99998.qm@web57501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <201005241142.27491.toots@rastageeks.org> Hi, Le lundi 24 mai 2010 11:10:23, Patrick Bohnet a ?crit : > it looks like my best option might be to have the DJs broadcast in 256kbs > mount points that are hidden, and use liquidsoap to rebroadcast it to the > live stream in 128kbs mp3. I can then control liquidsoap via an external > programmatic interface which allows me to switch from DJ to DJ based on a > timer, or to manually switch to a different show outside of the timer. I > just don't like that it will reencode the audio. > > I was planning on using liquidsoap as the final auto dj (winamp/edcast was > just for testing) anyway I'm glad you though about liquidsoap for this application. One thing that I did not see, though. Liquidsoap can receive the DJ stream directly and compose a stream the way you want. This way, you could compose the stream as you want without having to do anything on icecast and the listener side. In the SVN version you can even connect simultaneously several shoutcast DJs by using different ports for each of them.. Romain From xiphmont at xiph.org Mon May 24 20:14:48 2010 From: xiphmont at xiph.org (xiphmont at xiph.org) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 16:14:48 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input In-Reply-To: <4BFA7065.1080501@kvittem.no> References: <4BF9A17A.7020707@kvittem.no> <002301cafadb$db0e9bf0$912bd3d0$@com> <4BFA7065.1080501@kvittem.no> Message-ID: > I have and impression that html5 with ogg is not implemented widely in > browsers yet. > I noticed that there is a nice java applet(Cortado) that can do ogg, > but I presume java is harder to install and thus less available than Flash. Actually, the important bit is that older browsers all have Java already installed, and they're generally the ones that need cortado. Monty From pbaena at gmail.com Mon May 24 20:18:16 2010 From: pbaena at gmail.com (Pablo Baena) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 17:18:16 -0300 Subject: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input In-Reply-To: References: <4BF9A17A.7020707@kvittem.no> <002301cafadb$db0e9bf0$912bd3d0$@com> <4BFA7065.1080501@kvittem.no> Message-ID: html 5 doesn't support live video AFAIK. On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 5:14 PM, wrote: >> I have and impression that html5 with ogg is not implemented widely in >> browsers yet. >> I noticed that there is a nice java applet(Cortado) that can do ogg, >> but I presume java is harder to install and thus less available than Flash. > > Actually, the important bit is that older browsers all have Java > already installed, and they're generally the ones that need cortado. > > Monty > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > -- "The Linux philosophy is 'Laugh in the face of danger'. Oops. Wrong One. 'Do it yourself'. Yes, that's it." From xiphmont at xiph.org Mon May 24 20:19:39 2010 From: xiphmont at xiph.org (xiphmont at xiph.org) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 16:19:39 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input In-Reply-To: References: <4BF9A17A.7020707@kvittem.no> <002301cafadb$db0e9bf0$912bd3d0$@com> <4BFA7065.1080501@kvittem.no> Message-ID: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Pablo Baena wrote: > html 5 doesn't support live video AFAIK. Interesting. I use it on a regular basis... it's how we're doing videoconferencing in RedHat right now. Is FF just going above and beyond? Monty From msmith at xiph.org Mon May 24 20:20:18 2010 From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 13:20:18 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input In-Reply-To: References: <4BF9A17A.7020707@kvittem.no> <002301cafadb$db0e9bf0$912bd3d0$@com> <4BFA7065.1080501@kvittem.no> Message-ID: On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 1:18 PM, Pablo Baena wrote: > html 5 doesn't support live video AFAIK. HTML5 doesn't have any _specific_ support for live video, as far as I know, but it certainly supports it perfectly ok if you don't care about low latency use-cases. It also depends on what codecs/containers you're using, of course - which HTML5 doesn't specify. If you use Ogg along with, say, theora and vorbis - live video works well. Mike From pbaena at gmail.com Mon May 24 20:25:43 2010 From: pbaena at gmail.com (Pablo Baena) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 17:25:43 -0300 Subject: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input In-Reply-To: References: <4BF9A17A.7020707@kvittem.no> <002301cafadb$db0e9bf0$912bd3d0$@com> <4BFA7065.1080501@kvittem.no> Message-ID: Care to share the technologies involved? I had major trouble finding ogg live streaming technologies to use in the browser. On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 5:19 PM, wrote: > On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 4:18 PM, Pablo Baena wrote: >> html 5 doesn't support live video AFAIK. > > Interesting. ?I use it on a regular basis... it's how we're doing > videoconferencing in RedHat right now. ?Is FF just going above and > beyond? > > Monty > -- "The Linux philosophy is 'Laugh in the face of danger'. Oops. Wrong One. 'Do it yourself'. Yes, that's it." From xiphmont at xiph.org Mon May 24 20:29:57 2010 From: xiphmont at xiph.org (xiphmont at xiph.org) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 16:29:57 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input In-Reply-To: References: <4BF9A17A.7020707@kvittem.no> <002301cafadb$db0e9bf0$912bd3d0$@com> <4BFA7065.1080501@kvittem.no> Message-ID: Stock icecast, Sightly tweaked GStreamer (waiting for some bug fixes to get packaged). A script. An HDV cam. HTML webpages that remote attendees go to to click the video and watch. Done :-) Happy to send the script... Monty From pbaena at gmail.com Mon May 24 20:38:18 2010 From: pbaena at gmail.com (Pablo Baena) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 17:38:18 -0300 Subject: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input In-Reply-To: References: <4BF9A17A.7020707@kvittem.no> <002301cafadb$db0e9bf0$912bd3d0$@com> <4BFA7065.1080501@kvittem.no> Message-ID: Actually I had icecast streaming my live video with gstreamer, but got lag that grew over time to unacceptable levels (like 10 minutes of delay after an hour or something). I thought icecast wasn't prepared for live video because of that. Are you tweaking gstreamer to solve this problem or something? On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 5:29 PM, wrote: > Stock icecast, ?Sightly tweaked GStreamer (waiting for some bug fixes > to get packaged). ?A script. ?An HDV cam. ?HTML webpages that remote > attendees go to to click the video and watch. Done :-) > > Happy to send the script... > > Monty > -- "The Linux philosophy is 'Laugh in the face of danger'. Oops. Wrong One. 'Do it yourself'. Yes, that's it." From xiphmont at xiph.org Mon May 24 20:40:54 2010 From: xiphmont at xiph.org (xiphmont at xiph.org) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 16:40:54 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input In-Reply-To: References: <4BF9A17A.7020707@kvittem.no> <002301cafadb$db0e9bf0$912bd3d0$@com> <4BFA7065.1080501@kvittem.no> Message-ID: That will only happen if something is really wrong. Might be better to figure out what it might be. Icecast buffers a bit (in order to burst into a client buffer) but it doesn't buffer increasingly over time. That will only happen if the client is falling farther and farther behind, not icecast. Monty From oswaldo at globaloxs.com Tue May 25 04:58:37 2010 From: oswaldo at globaloxs.com (Oswaldo Saldivar) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 23:58:37 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] How to create a list of usernames and passwords request? Message-ID: <1274763517.2921.17.camel@localhost> How I can create a list of usernames and passwords to restrict users to connect to listen to the broadcast? What I mean is that I do not want my transmission to be listened just by anyone. I want that for they can listen to the transmission they need to enter a user name and a password. Regards -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jwbensley at gmail.com Tue May 25 17:24:28 2010 From: jwbensley at gmail.com (James Bensley) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:24:28 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] How to create a list of usernames and passwords request? In-Reply-To: <1274763517.2921.17.camel@localhost> References: <1274763517.2921.17.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Have a look here, http://www.icecast.org/docs/icecast-2.3.2/icecast2_config_file.html#mount Under the "authentication" setting it says that currently you must implement authentication via the use of htpasswd files on a per mount point basis -- Regards, James. http://www.jamesbensley.co.cc/ - There are only 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand trinary, those who don't understand trinary and those who don't understand trinary. From acraigwest at gmail.com Tue May 25 18:13:06 2010 From: acraigwest at gmail.com (A. Craig West) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 14:13:06 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast2 Station with multiple scheduled DJs? In-Reply-To: <377139.99998.qm@web57501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> References: <377139.99998.qm@web57501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 24 May 2010 12:10, Patrick Bohnet wrote: > I have been playing with Icecast only for a couple of days, and I am trying to figure out how to do something. > I want a listener to have to only deal with one stream, but I want to be able to switch the source of that stream between multiple sources (DJs). The core idea is that the listener only deals with /live.mp3 while in the background I can problematically switch between a series of live sources (DJs) or an "Auto DJ Playlist" source - all based on a schedule for 24/7 content. The total amount of DJs is currently unknown (4+), as this is just the planing stages. > So far I only have two ideas, neither of which seams optimal > 1) use the move listener function to constantly shift users around to the correct DJ stream. > 2) use a third party restream program, such as StreamTranscoder or LiquidSoap > 3) use 4 dj mount points that fallback to each other and finally to the autoDJ, and make the DJs pick a stream to take over when their show starts. (this untested) You missed the simplest option, which is to set up the 4 (or more) mount points, and create a symlink to one one of them in a cron job. This would be by far the lowest overhead... -Craig From geoff at QuiteLikely.com Tue May 25 21:58:23 2010 From: geoff at QuiteLikely.com (Geoff Shang) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 00:58:23 +0300 (IDT) Subject: [Icecast] Icecast2 Station with multiple scheduled DJs? In-Reply-To: References: <377139.99998.qm@web57501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 25 May 2010, A. Craig West wrote: > You missed the simplest option, which is to set up the 4 (or more) > mount points, and create a symlink to one one of them in a cron job. > This would be by far the lowest overhead... I think you are confused. Icecast mountpoints are virtual, they are not created in the filesystem. You could achieve the same thing by having a script update the config file and adjust the value for an alias. However this approach might be tricky as it would need to be kept in sync with what is actually meant to happen. The way I dealt with this situation was to have all users connect to the same mount point. Then you can quite easily deal with moving listeners around. I had a structure with prerecorded programs on the main mountpoint, live shows on the second and automation on the third, with appropriate fallback/fallback-override values. The only thing about this approach is that listeners will get a few seconds of automation between broadcasters. Oh and you have a shared password which may not be ideal. Geoff. From pbaena at gmail.com Tue May 25 22:00:58 2010 From: pbaena at gmail.com (Pablo Baena) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 19:00:58 -0300 Subject: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input In-Reply-To: References: <4BF9A17A.7020707@kvittem.no> <002301cafadb$db0e9bf0$912bd3d0$@com> <4BFA7065.1080501@kvittem.no> Message-ID: Can you provide the scripts you use so I can compare and try to find the problem? I'm doing some processing in the frames using gstreamer, but even when not doing processing, I observed a lot of lag in the transmision from icecast. This halted my progress and I was investigating other RTSP alternatives to avoid the lag. On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 5:40 PM, wrote: > That will only happen if something is really wrong. ?Might be better > to figure out what it might be. > > Icecast buffers a bit (in order to burst into a client buffer) but it > doesn't buffer increasingly over time. ?That will only happen if the > client is falling farther and farther behind, not icecast. > > Monty > -- "The Linux philosophy is 'Laugh in the face of danger'. Oops. Wrong One. 'Do it yourself'. Yes, that's it." From xiphmont at xiph.org Tue May 25 22:35:12 2010 From: xiphmont at xiph.org (xiphmont at xiph.org) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:35:12 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] live mpeg4 input In-Reply-To: References: <4BF9A17A.7020707@kvittem.no> <4BFA7065.1080501@kvittem.no> Message-ID: On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 6:00 PM, Pablo Baena wrote: > Can you provide the scripts you use so I can compare and try to find > the problem? I'm doing some processing in the frames using gstreamer, > but even when not doing processing, I observed a lot of lag in the > transmision from icecast. This halted my progress and I was > investigating other RTSP alternatives to avoid the lag. Sure! My script (with the icecast password changed) is attached. Icecast will buffer according to what it needs to burst into a new connection IIRC. Clients will also have some buffer. So, there's some unavoidable lag. However, the lag should only ge a few seconds, not a minute, and it would only grow steadily if the client is doing something wrong... Monty -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: gst-icecast Type: application/octet-stream Size: 992 bytes Desc: not available URL: From acraigwest at gmail.com Tue May 25 22:51:45 2010 From: acraigwest at gmail.com (A. Craig West) Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 18:51:45 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast2 Station with multiple scheduled DJs? In-Reply-To: References: <377139.99998.qm@web57501.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On 25 May 2010 17:58, Geoff Shang wrote: > I think you are confused. > > Icecast mountpoints are virtual, they are not created in the filesystem. Whoops, you are correct. I do this frequently with .xsl files, but the .mp3 files are totally virtual, so this doesn't work. I rather like the idea of being able to do it, though, so I will see how much effort it takes to make a patch with this functionality. Does anybody else think it might be a worthwhile feature? -Craig From saritmiki at yahoo.com Wed May 26 11:09:44 2010 From: saritmiki at yahoo.com (Sarit keren) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 04:09:44 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Icecast] How to add my station to dir.xiph.org? Message-ID: <193557.96639.qm@web62302.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Hello I'm totally newbie with this I wanted to ask this on the forum but from some reason I can't register... so if you guys can help me I'll be very glad.. do I have to do change something in the Icecast xml file? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From saritmiki at yahoo.com Wed May 26 11:17:13 2010 From: saritmiki at yahoo.com (Sarit keren) Date: Wed, 26 May 2010 04:17:13 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Icecast] How can I put radio player Message-ID: <808605.90468.qm@web62307.mail.re1.yahoo.com> Is there any way that I can put a radio player on my web and there people will be able to listen music I broadcast using Icecsat and winamp player? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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