From rob at rob-campbell.com  Mon Oct  2 16:19:53 2006
From: rob at rob-campbell.com (Rob Campbell)
Date: Mon, 02 Oct 2006 12:19:53 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] How do I list in YP?  icecast2 ices0
Message-ID: <1159805993.29819.221.camel@blkpoohba.dyndns.org>

ices.conf:
    <Public>1</Public>
    <!-- The name of you stream, not the name of the song! -->
    <Name>Poohba's Urban Sounds</Name>
    <!-- Genre of your stream, be it rock or pop or whatever -->
    <Genre>RnB</Genre>

icecast.xml
    <directory>
        <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
        <yp-url>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
    </directory>
    <directory>
        <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
        <yp-url>http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
    </directory>


When I look on the YP I don't see it there.  Not really sure what to
look for so i looked for 'poohba'.  I also did a search for all RnB and
found nothing of mine.



From voice23 at kc.rr.com  Mon Oct  2 16:55:20 2006
From: voice23 at kc.rr.com (Michael Hughes)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 11:55:20 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Checking
References: <1159805993.29819.221.camel@blkpoohba.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <001401c6e643$8c5ab530$6601a8c0@CHRISTIANMIX>

Checking Icecast List configuration



From leo.currie at gmail.com  Mon Oct  2 18:08:20 2006
From: leo.currie at gmail.com (Leo Currie)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:08:20 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
In-Reply-To: <1159805993.29819.221.camel@blkpoohba.dyndns.org>
References: <1159805993.29819.221.camel@blkpoohba.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <4d6104170610021108n3ce2e993n62bc2d359c6c85e8@mail.gmail.com>

The directory at Xiph.org only lists Ogg streams - MP3 streams are
silently ignored.

Leo

On 02/10/06, Rob Campbell <rob at rob-campbell.com> wrote:
> ices.conf:
>     <Public>1</Public>
>     <!-- The name of you stream, not the name of the song! -->
>     <Name>Poohba's Urban Sounds</Name>
>     <!-- Genre of your stream, be it rock or pop or whatever -->
>     <Genre>RnB</Genre>
>
> icecast.xml
>     <directory>
>         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
>         <yp-url>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
>     </directory>
>     <directory>
>         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
>         <yp-url>http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
>     </directory>
>
>
> When I look on the YP I don't see it there.  Not really sure what to
> look for so i looked for 'poohba'.  I also did a search for all RnB and
> found nothing of mine.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>


From ross at stationplaylist.com  Mon Oct  2 23:12:12 2006
From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 12:12:12 +1300
Subject: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
References: <1159805993.29819.221.camel@blkpoohba.dyndns.org>
	<4d6104170610021108n3ce2e993n62bc2d359c6c85e8@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00a101c6e678$31e086e0$5100a8c0@stationplaylist.com>

I thought the YP code was going to be fixed to use less resources so it 
could be used with other stream formats.  It seems to be taking a long 
time.

As it is now, Icecast2 is not a good solution for those wanting to be on 
a popular directory.  I am forced to recommend using Shoutcast to my 
clients so they can get onto a popular directory.  I would prefer to 
recommend Icecast2.

Ross Levis.
http://www.stationplaylist.com

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Leo Currie" <leo.currie at gmail.com>
To: <rob at rob-campbell.com>
Cc: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:08 AM
Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0


The directory at Xiph.org only lists Ogg streams - MP3 streams are
silently ignored.

Leo

On 02/10/06, Rob Campbell <rob at rob-campbell.com> wrote:
> ices.conf:
>     <Public>1</Public>
>     <!-- The name of you stream, not the name of the song! -->
>     <Name>Poohba's Urban Sounds</Name>
>     <!-- Genre of your stream, be it rock or pop or whatever -->
>     <Genre>RnB</Genre>
>
> icecast.xml
>     <directory>
>         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
>         <yp-url>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
>     </directory>
>     <directory>
>         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
>         <yp-url>http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
>     </directory>
>
>
> When I look on the YP I don't see it there.  Not really sure what to
> look for so i looked for 'poohba'.  I also did a search for all RnB 
> and
> found nothing of mine. 



From oddsock at oddsock.org  Tue Oct  3 01:22:21 2006
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 20:22:21 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
In-Reply-To: <00a101c6e678$31e086e0$5100a8c0@stationplaylist.com>
References: <1159805993.29819.221.camel@blkpoohba.dyndns.org>
	<4d6104170610021108n3ce2e993n62bc2d359c6c85e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a101c6e678$31e086e0$5100a8c0@stationplaylist.com>
Message-ID: <29f2c230610021822o3f6dae5eqa4d68a8c8d46cd60@mail.gmail.com>

it was fixed a long time ago actually.  The current YP is now benefitting
from the changes made by me (with help from Karl), and yet despite the
requests from both Karl and I recommending that these streams be allowed
again, it falls on deaf ears.  Ultimately it's up to Xiph to decide,
although I was hoping that when the objection "it performs badly so we
turned off all non-vorbis streams" was made, and the "performs badly" part
was fixed, that the decision would be made to return non-vorbis streams.
Instead, I've gotten nothing but silence regarding the matter.

I guess what it boils down to is a fundamental concept of what Icecast is.
To me, it's a simple, free, and open source alternative to other non-free,
free but restrictred, etc streaming media servers.  Others believe, I think,
that it is really just a mechanism to boost the adoption of all the xiph
codecs.  This was evident from the very beginning when Jack Moffit added
support for mp3 back into icecast2 as a "transition path to vorbis" for
broadcasters.  I certainly do understand their points on the matter,
however, I do not share them.

oddsock

On 10/2/06, Ross Levis <ross at stationplaylist.com> wrote:
>
> I thought the YP code was going to be fixed to use less resources so it
> could be used with other stream formats.  It seems to be taking a long
> time.
>
> As it is now, Icecast2 is not a good solution for those wanting to be on
> a popular directory.  I am forced to recommend using Shoutcast to my
> clients so they can get onto a popular directory.  I would prefer to
> recommend Icecast2.
>
> Ross Levis.
> http://www.stationplaylist.com
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Leo Currie" <leo.currie at gmail.com>
> To: <rob at rob-campbell.com>
> Cc: <icecast at xiph.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:08 AM
> Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
>
>
> The directory at Xiph.org only lists Ogg streams - MP3 streams are
> silently ignored.
>
> Leo
>
> On 02/10/06, Rob Campbell <rob at rob-campbell.com> wrote:
> > ices.conf:
> >     <Public>1</Public>
> >     <!-- The name of you stream, not the name of the song! -->
> >     <Name>Poohba's Urban Sounds</Name>
> >     <!-- Genre of your stream, be it rock or pop or whatever -->
> >     <Genre>RnB</Genre>
> >
> > icecast.xml
> >     <directory>
> >         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
> >         <yp-url>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
> >     </directory>
> >     <directory>
> >         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
> >         <yp-url>http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
> >     </directory>
> >
> >
> > When I look on the YP I don't see it there.  Not really sure what to
> > look for so i looked for 'poohba'.  I also did a search for all RnB
> > and
> > found nothing of mine.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
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From ross at stationplaylist.com  Tue Oct  3 11:03:04 2006
From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 00:03:04 +1300
Subject: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
References: <1159805993.29819.221.camel@blkpoohba.dyndns.org><4d6104170610021108n3ce2e993n62bc2d359c6c85e8@mail.gmail.com><00a101c6e678$31e086e0$5100a8c0@stationplaylist.com>
	<29f2c230610021822o3f6dae5eqa4d68a8c8d46cd60@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <013901c6e6db$7ff448e0$5100a8c0@stationplaylist.com>

I can understand wanting to boost the adoption of Xiph codecs, but I think restricting the directory to vorbis streams only will not help this endeavour.  I can imagine it will just piss a lot of people, including myself, and give Xiph a bad name.

I get very few listeners of my AAC+ stream now since this occured.  The restriction is not an insentive to switch to Ogg Vorbis at all.  The incentive is to switch from Icecast to Shoutcast, which I'm still seriously considering, but I was waiting and hoping for this fix to be done so the restriction could be lifted.

This should be bad news for Xiph but it would appear they do not regard usage of Icecast as an advantage to them.

The only insentive for me and many others is sound quality.  If Xiph wants everyone to use vorbis for streaming then it needs to perform much better at lower bitrates, and some serious work needs to be done on the codec.  The only work we are seeing released is by independent developers.

Where vorbis performs best is for file storage at higher bitrates.  This is what I use and recommend to everyone who will listen.

And even though it's only the YP that has the restriction, I think it will give Icecast a reputation of not supporting popular stream formats.

It seems Xiph do not regard any of this important. and that is up to them, but I hope they will reconsider.

Regards,
Ross.
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: oddsock 
  To: icecast at xiph.org 
  Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:22 PM
  Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0


  it was fixed a long time ago actually.  The current YP is now benefitting from the changes made by me (with help from Karl), and yet despite the requests from both Karl and I recommending that these streams be allowed again, it falls on deaf ears.  Ultimately it's up to Xiph to decide, although I was hoping that when the objection "it performs badly so we turned off all non-vorbis streams" was made, and the "performs badly" part was fixed, that the decision would be made to return non-vorbis streams.  Instead, I've gotten nothing but silence regarding the matter. 

  I guess what it boils down to is a fundamental concept of what Icecast is.  To me, it's a simple, free, and open source alternative to other non-free, free but restrictred, etc streaming media servers.  Others believe, I think, that it is really just a mechanism to boost the adoption of all the xiph codecs.  This was evident from the very beginning when Jack Moffit added support for mp3 back into icecast2 as a "transition path to vorbis" for broadcasters.  I certainly do understand their points on the matter, however, I do not share them. 

  oddsock


  On 10/2/06, Ross Levis <ross at stationplaylist.com> wrote:
    I thought the YP code was going to be fixed to use less resources so it
    could be used with other stream formats.  It seems to be taking a long
    time.

    As it is now, Icecast2 is not a good solution for those wanting to be on 
    a popular directory.  I am forced to recommend using Shoutcast to my
    clients so they can get onto a popular directory.  I would prefer to
    recommend Icecast2.

    Ross Levis.
    http://www.stationplaylist.com

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "Leo Currie" <leo.currie at gmail.com>
    To: < rob at rob-campbell.com>
    Cc: <icecast at xiph.org>
    Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:08 AM
    Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0


    The directory at Xiph.org only lists Ogg streams - MP3 streams are
    silently ignored.

    Leo

    On 02/10/06, Rob Campbell <rob at rob-campbell.com> wrote: 
    > ices.conf:
    >     <Public>1</Public>
    >     <!-- The name of you stream, not the name of the song! -->
    >     <Name>Poohba's Urban Sounds</Name>
    >     <!-- Genre of your stream, be it rock or pop or whatever --> 
    >     <Genre>RnB</Genre>
    >
    > icecast.xml
    >     <directory>
    >         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
    >         <yp-url> http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
    >     </directory>
    >     <directory>
    >         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
    >         <yp-url> http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
    >     </directory>
    >
    >
    > When I look on the YP I don't see it there.  Not really sure what to
    > look for so i looked for 'poohba'.  I also did a search for all RnB 
    > and
    > found nothing of mine.
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From voice23 at kc.rr.com  Tue Oct  3 15:12:04 2006
From: voice23 at kc.rr.com (Michael Hughes)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:12:04 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Buffering
Message-ID: <000801c6e6fe$49cb4de0$6601a8c0@CHRISTIANMIX>

Let's try this. It appears that the moderator is asleep at the wheel.

I am getting a lot of buffering with my Icecast stream. Is there a setting I 
need to be aware of to help this? 




From rob at rob-campbell.com  Tue Oct  3 15:13:50 2006
From: rob at rob-campbell.com (Rob Campbell)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 11:13:50 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
In-Reply-To: <013901c6e6db$7ff448e0$5100a8c0@stationplaylist.com>
References: <1159805993.29819.221.camel@blkpoohba.dyndns.org>
	<4d6104170610021108n3ce2e993n62bc2d359c6c85e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a101c6e678$31e086e0$5100a8c0@stationplaylist.com>
	<29f2c230610021822o3f6dae5eqa4d68a8c8d46cd60@mail.gmail.com>
	<013901c6e6db$7ff448e0$5100a8c0@stationplaylist.com>
Message-ID: <1159888430.29819.233.camel@blkpoohba.dyndns.org>

I only have mp3s and it doesn't make sense to me to change all of them
to ogg.  My MDA(windows mobile phone) plays mp3s with no problem.  It
uses them as ringtones.  Its more widely used in my circles.  Why would
I and everyone else want to switch to ogg?  What is the benefit?  Why
the shun on mp3?  And I can stream at 64 and 32 which is great for those
streams that will get a lot of listeners.  This is being done on a cable
upload which isn't that impressive and not for commercial use so sound
quality isn't "needed" but I could stream higher for special friends if
I wanted.  But if all of this is and has been available with mp3; why
switch?

On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 00:03 +1300, Ross Levis wrote:
> I can understand wanting to boost the adoption of Xiph codecs, but I
> think restricting the directory to vorbis streams only will not help
> this endeavour.  I can imagine it will just piss a lot of people,
> including myself, and give Xiph a bad name.
>  
> I get very few listeners of my AAC+ stream now since this occured.
> The restriction is not an insentive to switch to Ogg Vorbis at all.
> The incentive is to switch from Icecast to Shoutcast, which I'm still
> seriously considering, but I was waiting and hoping for this fix to be
> done so the restriction could be lifted.
>  
> This should be bad news for Xiph but it would appear they do not
> regard usage of Icecast as an advantage to them.
>  
> The only insentive for me and many others is sound quality.  If Xiph
> wants everyone to use vorbis for streaming then it needs to
> perform much better at lower bitrates, and some serious work needs to
> be done on the codec.  The only work we are seeing released is by
> independent developers.
>  
> Where vorbis performs best is for file storage at higher bitrates.
> This is what I use and recommend to everyone who will listen.
>  
> And even though it's only the YP that has the restriction, I think it
> will give Icecast a reputation of not supporting popular stream
> formats.
>  
> It seems Xiph do not regard any of this important. and that is up to
> them, but I hope they will reconsider.
>  
> Regards,
> Ross.
>         ----- Original Message ----- 
>         From: oddsock 
>         To: icecast at xiph.org 
>         Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:22 PM
>         Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
>         
>         
>         it was fixed a long time ago actually.  The current YP is now
>         benefitting from the changes made by me (with help from Karl),
>         and yet despite the requests from both Karl and I recommending
>         that these streams be allowed again, it falls on deaf ears.
>         Ultimately it's up to Xiph to decide, although I was hoping
>         that when the objection "it performs badly so we turned off
>         all non-vorbis streams" was made, and the "performs badly"
>         part was fixed, that the decision would be made to return
>         non-vorbis streams.  Instead, I've gotten nothing but silence
>         regarding the matter. 
>         
>         I guess what it boils down to is a fundamental concept of what
>         Icecast is.  To me, it's a simple, free, and open source
>         alternative to other non-free, free but restrictred, etc
>         streaming media servers.  Others believe, I think, that it is
>         really just a mechanism to boost the adoption of all the xiph
>         codecs.  This was evident from the very beginning when Jack
>         Moffit added support for mp3 back into icecast2 as a
>         "transition path to vorbis" for broadcasters.  I certainly do
>         understand their points on the matter, however, I do not share
>         them. 
>         
>         oddsock
>         
>         On 10/2/06, Ross Levis <ross at stationplaylist.com> wrote: 
>                 I thought the YP code was going to be fixed to use
>                 less resources so it
>                 could be used with other stream formats.  It seems to
>                 be taking a long
>                 time.
>                 
>                 As it is now, Icecast2 is not a good solution for
>                 those wanting to be on 
>                 a popular directory.  I am forced to recommend using
>                 Shoutcast to my
>                 clients so they can get onto a popular directory.  I
>                 would prefer to
>                 recommend Icecast2.
>                 
>                 Ross Levis.
>                 http://www.stationplaylist.com
>                 
>                 ----- Original Message -----
>                 From: "Leo Currie" <leo.currie at gmail.com>
>                 To: <rob at rob-campbell.com>
>                 Cc: <icecast at xiph.org>
>                 Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:08 AM
>                 Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2
>                 ices0
>                 
>                 
>                 The directory at Xiph.org only lists Ogg streams - MP3
>                 streams are
>                 silently ignored.
>                 
>                 Leo
>                 
>                 On 02/10/06, Rob Campbell <rob at rob-campbell.com>
>                 wrote: 
>                 > ices.conf:
>                 >     <Public>1</Public>
>                 >     <!-- The name of you stream, not the name of the
>                 song! -->
>                 >     <Name>Poohba's Urban Sounds</Name>
>                 >     <!-- Genre of your stream, be it rock or pop or
>                 whatever --> 
>                 >     <Genre>RnB</Genre>
>                 >
>                 > icecast.xml
>                 >     <directory>
>                 >         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
>                 >
>                 <yp-url>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
>                 >     </directory>
>                 >     <directory>
>                 >         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
>                 >
>                 <yp-url>http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
>                 >     </directory>
>                 >
>                 >
>                 > When I look on the YP I don't see it there.  Not
>                 really sure what to
>                 > look for so i looked for 'poohba'.  I also did a
>                 search for all RnB 
>                 > and
>                 > found nothing of mine.
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast



From mark at indymedia.org  Tue Oct  3 15:34:47 2006
From: mark at indymedia.org (mark burdett)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 08:34:47 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
In-Reply-To: <013901c6e6db$7ff448e0$5100a8c0@stationplaylist.com>
References: <29f2c230610021822o3f6dae5eqa4d68a8c8d46cd60@mail.gmail.com>
	<013901c6e6db$7ff448e0$5100a8c0@stationplaylist.com>
Message-ID: <20061003153447.GA65203@indymedia.org>

in any case, the icecast community could use more open YP servers,
if they have stable uptime then they could be added to the 
default icecast config file.

--mark

On Wed, 04 Oct 2006 00:03:04 +1300, Ross Levis wrote:
> I can understand wanting to boost the adoption of Xiph codecs, but I think restricting the directory to vorbis streams only will not help this endeavour.  I can imagine it will just piss a lot of people, including myself, and give Xiph a bad name.
> 
> I get very few listeners of my AAC+ stream now since this occured.  The restriction is not an insentive to switch to Ogg Vorbis at all.  The incentive is to switch from Icecast to Shoutcast, which I'm still seriously considering, but I was waiting and hoping for this fix to be done so the restriction could be lifted.
> 
> This should be bad news for Xiph but it would appear they do not regard usage of Icecast as an advantage to them.
> 
> The only insentive for me and many others is sound quality.  If Xiph wants everyone to use vorbis for streaming then it needs to perform much better at lower bitrates, and some serious work needs to be done on the codec.  The only work we are seeing released is by independent developers.
> 
> Where vorbis performs best is for file storage at higher bitrates.  This is what I use and recommend to everyone who will listen.
> 
> And even though it's only the YP that has the restriction, I think it will give Icecast a reputation of not supporting popular stream formats.
> 
> It seems Xiph do not regard any of this important. and that is up to them, but I hope they will reconsider.
> 
> Regards,
> Ross.
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: oddsock 
>   To: icecast at xiph.org 
>   Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:22 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
> 
> 
>   it was fixed a long time ago actually.  The current YP is now benefitting from the changes made by me (with help from Karl), and yet despite the requests from both Karl and I recommending that these streams be allowed again, it falls on deaf ears.  Ultimately it's up to Xiph to decide, although I was hoping that when the objection "it performs badly so we turned off all non-vorbis streams" was made, and the "performs badly" part was fixed, that the decision would be made to return non-vorbis streams.  Instead, I've gotten nothing but silence regarding the matter. 
> 
>   I guess what it boils down to is a fundamental concept of what Icecast is.  To me, it's a simple, free, and open source alternative to other non-free, free but restrictred, etc streaming media servers.  Others believe, I think, that it is really just a mechanism to boost the adoption of all the xiph codecs.  This was evident from the very beginning when Jack Moffit added support for mp3 back into icecast2 as a "transition path to vorbis" for broadcasters.  I certainly do understand their points on the matter, however, I do not share them. 
> 
>   oddsock
> 
> 
>   On 10/2/06, Ross Levis <ross at stationplaylist.com> wrote:
>     I thought the YP code was going to be fixed to use less resources so it
>     could be used with other stream formats.  It seems to be taking a long
>     time.
> 
>     As it is now, Icecast2 is not a good solution for those wanting to be on 
>     a popular directory.  I am forced to recommend using Shoutcast to my
>     clients so they can get onto a popular directory.  I would prefer to
>     recommend Icecast2.
> 
>     Ross Levis.
>     http://www.stationplaylist.com
> 
>     ----- Original Message -----
>     From: "Leo Currie" <leo.currie at gmail.com>
>     To: < rob at rob-campbell.com>
>     Cc: <icecast at xiph.org>
>     Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:08 AM
>     Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
> 
> 
>     The directory at Xiph.org only lists Ogg streams - MP3 streams are
>     silently ignored.
> 
>     Leo
> 
>     On 02/10/06, Rob Campbell <rob at rob-campbell.com> wrote: 
>     > ices.conf:
>     >     <Public>1</Public>
>     >     <!-- The name of you stream, not the name of the song! -->
>     >     <Name>Poohba's Urban Sounds</Name>
>     >     <!-- Genre of your stream, be it rock or pop or whatever --> 
>     >     <Genre>RnB</Genre>
>     >
>     > icecast.xml
>     >     <directory>
>     >         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
>     >         <yp-url> http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
>     >     </directory>
>     >     <directory>
>     >         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
>     >         <yp-url> http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
>     >     </directory>
>     >
>     >
>     > When I look on the YP I don't see it there.  Not really sure what to
>     > look for so i looked for 'poohba'.  I also did a search for all RnB 
>     > and
>     > found nothing of mine.

> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast



From voice23 at kc.rr.com  Tue Oct  3 15:58:53 2006
From: voice23 at kc.rr.com (Michael Hughes)
Date: Tue, 3 Oct 2006 10:58:53 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Buffering
Message-ID: <000f01c6e704$d4012c90$6601a8c0@CHRISTIANMIX>

Considering the pompous response from one of the moderators, indicating the 
harm I inflicted on the list by an unwitting attempt to send a 76k image in 
a previous email, I wish to offer my apologies for any paind and suffering 
that any of you may have incurred. It was not my will to be harmful.

Also, the arrogance portrayed by his informing me that I did not provide 
enough information to allow for sufficient feedback on my problem, cause me 
to respectfully submit the following. I hope that it is sufficient to aid in 
my naive and newbie question regarding "buffering".

1.  The bit rate of your stream.  96k

2.  The bandwidth coming into and out of your server.  3.2mbps

3.  The bandwidth of the connection where you are trying to listen to your
stream  Same.

4.  Which streaming software you're using. SAM 3.43

5.  The hardware specs of the machine(s) this is all running on. HP 3200 
1.8ghz 4mb ram.

6.  Anything else that you think might help us help you.
If I knew, I could probably figure it out myself. 




From ross at stationplaylist.com  Wed Oct  4 01:13:10 2006
From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis)
Date: Wed, 4 Oct 2006 14:13:10 +1300
Subject: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
References: <1159805993.29819.221.camel@blkpoohba.dyndns.org><4d6104170610021108n3ce2e993n62bc2d359c6c85e8@mail.gmail.com><00a101c6e678$31e086e0$5100a8c0@stationplaylist.com><29f2c230610021822o3f6dae5eqa4d68a8c8d46cd60@mail.gmail.com><013901c6e6db$7ff448e0$5100a8c0@stationplaylist.com>
	<1159888430.29819.233.camel@blkpoohba.dyndns.org>
Message-ID: <038201c6e752$42454bd0$5100a8c0@stationplaylist.com>

Hi Rob

The stream format has nothing to do with your audio files.  I probably 
have 70% MP3's and 30% Ogg Vorbis files, and 1 or 2 WAV files for 
jingles on my hard drive.  I only encode new CD's to Ogg Vorbis.

But my station is streaming in AAC+ format, and I have also streamed in 
Ogg Vorbis format simultaneously.  There is no way I would bother 
streaming in MP3 format.  It's 15+ year old technology and not designed 
for streaming at low bitrates.  It sounds like crap at anything below 
112k.  Whereas 28k AAC+ sounds pretty good in hifi stereo, and this 
bitrate means it's available to dial-up internet users.

Here is my 28k AAC+ world music stream if you are interested.  It requires
Winamp v5 or Foobar2000 or XMPlay or Screamer or VLC for Mac/Linux

http://soulfm.stationplaylist.com/listen.m3u

Ross.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Rob Campbell" <rob at rob-campbell.com>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 4:13 AM
Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0


I only have mp3s and it doesn't make sense to me to change all of them
to ogg.  My MDA(windows mobile phone) plays mp3s with no problem.  It
uses them as ringtones.  Its more widely used in my circles.  Why would
I and everyone else want to switch to ogg?  What is the benefit?  Why
the shun on mp3?  And I can stream at 64 and 32 which is great for those
streams that will get a lot of listeners.  This is being done on a cable
upload which isn't that impressive and not for commercial use so sound
quality isn't "needed" but I could stream higher for special friends if
I wanted.  But if all of this is and has been available with mp3; why
switch?

On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 00:03 +1300, Ross Levis wrote:
> I can understand wanting to boost the adoption of Xiph codecs, but I
> think restricting the directory to vorbis streams only will not help
> this endeavour.  I can imagine it will just piss a lot of people,
> including myself, and give Xiph a bad name.
>  
> I get very few listeners of my AAC+ stream now since this occured.
> The restriction is not an insentive to switch to Ogg Vorbis at all.
> The incentive is to switch from Icecast to Shoutcast, which I'm still
> seriously considering, but I was waiting and hoping for this fix to be
> done so the restriction could be lifted.
>  
> This should be bad news for Xiph but it would appear they do not
> regard usage of Icecast as an advantage to them.
>  
> The only insentive for me and many others is sound quality.  If Xiph
> wants everyone to use vorbis for streaming then it needs to
> perform much better at lower bitrates, and some serious work needs to
> be done on the codec.  The only work we are seeing released is by
> independent developers.
>  
> Where vorbis performs best is for file storage at higher bitrates.
> This is what I use and recommend to everyone who will listen.
>  
> And even though it's only the YP that has the restriction, I think it
> will give Icecast a reputation of not supporting popular stream
> formats.
>  
> It seems Xiph do not regard any of this important. and that is up to
> them, but I hope they will reconsider.
>  
> Regards,
> Ross.
>         ----- Original Message ----- 
>         From: oddsock 
>         To: icecast at xiph.org 
>         Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:22 PM
>         Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
>         
>         
>         it was fixed a long time ago actually.  The current YP is now
>         benefitting from the changes made by me (with help from Karl),
>         and yet despite the requests from both Karl and I recommending
>         that these streams be allowed again, it falls on deaf ears.
>         Ultimately it's up to Xiph to decide, although I was hoping
>         that when the objection "it performs badly so we turned off
>         all non-vorbis streams" was made, and the "performs badly"
>         part was fixed, that the decision would be made to return
>         non-vorbis streams.  Instead, I've gotten nothing but silence
>         regarding the matter. 
>         
>         I guess what it boils down to is a fundamental concept of what
>         Icecast is.  To me, it's a simple, free, and open source
>         alternative to other non-free, free but restrictred, etc
>         streaming media servers.  Others believe, I think, that it is
>         really just a mechanism to boost the adoption of all the xiph
>         codecs.  This was evident from the very beginning when Jack
>         Moffit added support for mp3 back into icecast2 as a
>         "transition path to vorbis" for broadcasters.  I certainly do
>         understand their points on the matter, however, I do not share
>         them. 
>         
>         oddsock
>         
>         On 10/2/06, Ross Levis <ross at stationplaylist.com> wrote: 
>                 I thought the YP code was going to be fixed to use
>                 less resources so it
>                 could be used with other stream formats.  It seems to
>                 be taking a long
>                 time.
>                 
>                 As it is now, Icecast2 is not a good solution for
>                 those wanting to be on 
>                 a popular directory.  I am forced to recommend using
>                 Shoutcast to my
>                 clients so they can get onto a popular directory.  I
>                 would prefer to
>                 recommend Icecast2.
>                 
>                 Ross Levis.
>                 http://www.stationplaylist.com
>                 
>                 ----- Original Message -----
>                 From: "Leo Currie" <leo.currie at gmail.com>
>                 To: <rob at rob-campbell.com>
>                 Cc: <icecast at xiph.org>
>                 Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:08 AM
>                 Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2
>                 ices0
>                 
>                 
>                 The directory at Xiph.org only lists Ogg streams - MP3
>                 streams are
>                 silently ignored.
>                 
>                 Leo
>                 
>                 On 02/10/06, Rob Campbell <rob at rob-campbell.com>
>                 wrote: 
>                 > ices.conf:
>                 >     <Public>1</Public>
>                 >     <!-- The name of you stream, not the name of the
>                 song! -->
>                 >     <Name>Poohba's Urban Sounds</Name>
>                 >     <!-- Genre of your stream, be it rock or pop or
>                 whatever --> 
>                 >     <Genre>RnB</Genre>
>                 >
>                 > icecast.xml
>                 >     <directory>
>                 >         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
>                 >
>                 <yp-url>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
>                 >     </directory>
>                 >     <directory>
>                 >         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
>                 >
>                 <yp-url>http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
>                 >     </directory>
>                 >
>                 >
>                 > When I look on the YP I don't see it there.  Not
>                 really sure what to
>                 > look for so i looked for 'poohba'.  I also did a
>                 search for all RnB 
>                 > and
>                 > found nothing of mine.
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast

_______________________________________________
Icecast mailing list
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From greg at orban.com  Wed Oct  4 01:18:04 2006
From: greg at orban.com (Greg J. Ogonowski)
Date: Tue, 03 Oct 2006 18:18:04 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
In-Reply-To: <038201c6e752$42454bd0$5100a8c0@stationplaylist.com>
References: <1159805993.29819.221.camel@blkpoohba.dyndns.org>
	<4d6104170610021108n3ce2e993n62bc2d359c6c85e8@mail.gmail.com>
	<00a101c6e678$31e086e0$5100a8c0@stationplaylist.com>
	<29f2c230610021822o3f6dae5eqa4d68a8c8d46cd60@mail.gmail.com>
	<013901c6e6db$7ff448e0$5100a8c0@stationplaylist.com>
	<1159888430.29819.233.camel@blkpoohba.dyndns.org>
	<038201c6e752$42454bd0$5100a8c0@stationplaylist.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20061003181621.04834708@66.220.31.150>

You can also use the FREE Orban/Coding Technologies AAC/aacPlus 
Player Plugin for Windows Media Player. It is very light and easy to install.

http://www.orban.com/plugin

File > Open URL...
icyx://raptor.mediacast1.com:9144/soulfm.aac

-greg.




At 18:13 2006-10-03, Ross Levis wrote:
>Hi Rob
>
>The stream format has nothing to do with your audio files.  I probably
>have 70% MP3's and 30% Ogg Vorbis files, and 1 or 2 WAV files for
>jingles on my hard drive.  I only encode new CD's to Ogg Vorbis.
>
>But my station is streaming in AAC+ format, and I have also streamed in
>Ogg Vorbis format simultaneously.  There is no way I would bother
>streaming in MP3 format.  It's 15+ year old technology and not designed
>for streaming at low bitrates.  It sounds like crap at anything below
>112k.  Whereas 28k AAC+ sounds pretty good in hifi stereo, and this
>bitrate means it's available to dial-up internet users.
>
>Here is my 28k AAC+ world music stream if you are interested.  It requires
><http://shell.world-net.co.nz/~rlevis/winamp521_full.exe>Winamp v5 
>or <http://www.foobar2000.org/>Foobar2000 or 
><http://www.un4seen.com/download.php?xmplay33>XMPlay or 
><http://www.screamer-radio.com/>Screamer or 
><http://www.videolan.org/vlc>VLC for Mac/Linux
>
>http://soulfm.stationplaylist.com/listen.m3u
>
>Ross.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Rob Campbell" <<mailto:rob at rob-campbell.com>rob at rob-campbell.com>
>To: <<mailto:icecast at xiph.org>icecast at xiph.org>
>Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2006 4:13 AM
>Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
>
>I only have mp3s and it doesn't make sense to me to change all of them
>to ogg.  My MDA(windows mobile phone) plays mp3s with no problem.  It
>uses them as ringtones.  Its more widely used in my circles.  Why would
>I and everyone else want to switch to ogg?  What is the benefit?  Why
>the shun on mp3?  And I can stream at 64 and 32 which is great for those
>streams that will get a lot of listeners.  This is being done on a cable
>upload which isn't that impressive and not for commercial use so sound
>quality isn't "needed" but I could stream higher for special friends if
>I wanted.  But if all of this is and has been available with mp3; why
>switch?
>
>On Wed, 2006-10-04 at 00:03 +1300, Ross Levis wrote:
> > I can understand wanting to boost the adoption of Xiph codecs, but I
> > think restricting the directory to vorbis streams only will not help
> > this endeavour.  I can imagine it will just piss a lot of people,
> > including myself, and give Xiph a bad name.
> >
> > I get very few listeners of my AAC+ stream now since this occured.
> > The restriction is not an insentive to switch to Ogg Vorbis at all.
> > The incentive is to switch from Icecast to Shoutcast, which I'm still
> > seriously considering, but I was waiting and hoping for this fix to be
> > done so the restriction could be lifted.
> >
> > This should be bad news for Xiph but it would appear they do not
> > regard usage of Icecast as an advantage to them.
> >
> > The only insentive for me and many others is sound quality.  If Xiph
> > wants everyone to use vorbis for streaming then it needs to
> > perform much better at lower bitrates, and some serious work needs to
> > be done on the codec.  The only work we are seeing released is by
> > independent developers.
> >
> > Where vorbis performs best is for file storage at higher bitrates.
> > This is what I use and recommend to everyone who will listen.
> >
> > And even though it's only the YP that has the restriction, I think it
> > will give Icecast a reputation of not supporting popular stream
> > formats.
> >
> > It seems Xiph do not regard any of this important. and that is up to
> > them, but I hope they will reconsider.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Ross.
> >         ----- Original Message -----
> >         From: oddsock
> >         To: <mailto:icecast at xiph.org>icecast at xiph.org
> >         Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 2:22 PM
> >         Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2 ices0
> >
> >
> >         it was fixed a long time ago actually.  The current YP is now
> >         benefitting from the changes made by me (with help from Karl),
> >         and yet despite the requests from both Karl and I recommending
> >         that these streams be allowed again, it falls on deaf ears.
> >         Ultimately it's up to Xiph to decide, although I was hoping
> >         that when the objection "it performs badly so we turned off
> >         all non-vorbis streams" was made, and the "performs badly"
> >         part was fixed, that the decision would be made to return
> >         non-vorbis streams.  Instead, I've gotten nothing but silence
> >         regarding the matter.
> >
> >         I guess what it boils down to is a fundamental concept of what
> >         Icecast is.  To me, it's a simple, free, and open source
> >         alternative to other non-free, free but restrictred, etc
> >         streaming media servers.  Others believe, I think, that it is
> >         really just a mechanism to boost the adoption of all the xiph
> >         codecs.  This was evident from the very beginning when Jack
> >         Moffit added support for mp3 back into icecast2 as a
> >         "transition path to vorbis" for broadcasters.  I certainly do
> >         understand their points on the matter, however, I do not share
> >         them.
> >
> >         oddsock
> >
> >         On 10/2/06, Ross Levis 
> <<mailto:ross at stationplaylist.com>ross at stationplaylist.com> wrote:
> >                 I thought the YP code was going to be fixed to use
> >                 less resources so it
> >                 could be used with other stream formats.  It seems to
> >                 be taking a long
> >                 time.
> >
> >                 As it is now, Icecast2 is not a good solution for
> >                 those wanting to be on
> >                 a popular directory.  I am forced to recommend using
> >                 Shoutcast to my
> >                 clients so they can get onto a popular directory.  I
> >                 would prefer to
> >                 recommend Icecast2.
> >
> >                 Ross Levis.
> > 
> <http://www.stationplaylist.com>http://www.stationplaylist.com
> >
> >                 ----- Original Message -----
> >                 From: "Leo Currie" 
> <<mailto:leo.currie at gmail.com>leo.currie at gmail.com>
> >                 To: <<mailto:rob at rob-campbell.com>rob at rob-campbell.com>
> >                 Cc: <<mailto:icecast at xiph.org>icecast at xiph.org>
> >                 Sent: Tuesday, October 03, 2006 7:08 AM
> >                 Subject: Re: [Icecast] How do I list in YP? icecast2
> >                 ices0
> >
> >
> >                 The directory at Xiph.org only lists Ogg streams - MP3
> >                 streams are
> >                 silently ignored.
> >
> >                 Leo
> >
> >                 On 02/10/06, Rob Campbell 
> <<mailto:rob at rob-campbell.com>rob at rob-campbell.com>
> >                 wrote:
> >                 > ices.conf:
> >                 >     <Public>1</Public>
> >                 >     <!-- The name of you stream, not the name of the
> >                 song! -->
> >                 >     <Name>Poohba's Urban Sounds</Name>
> >                 >     <!-- Genre of your stream, be it rock or pop or
> >                 whatever -->
> >                 >     <Genre>RnB</Genre>
> >                 >
> >                 > icecast.xml
> >                 >     <directory>
> >                 >         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
> >                 >
> >                 <yp-url>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
> >                 >     </directory>
> >                 >     <directory>
> >                 >         <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
> >                 >
> >                 <yp-url>http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
> >                 >     </directory>
> >                 >
> >                 >
> >                 > When I look on the YP I don't see it there.  Not
> >                 really sure what to
> >                 > look for so i looked for 'poohba'.  I also did a
> >                 search for all RnB
> >                 > and
> >                 > found nothing of mine.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Icecast mailing list
> > <mailto:Icecast at xiph.org>Icecast at xiph.org
> > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
>_______________________________________________
>Icecast mailing list
><mailto:Icecast at xiph.org>Icecast at xiph.org
>http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>_______________________________________________
>Icecast mailing list
>Icecast at xiph.org
>http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast


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From simon.eigeldinger at vol.at  Thu Oct  5 05:29:27 2006
From: simon.eigeldinger at vol.at (Simon Eigeldinger)
Date: Thu, 05 Oct 2006 07:29:27 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Looking for source client for Linux
Message-ID: <4524B457.4077.3A48A7@simon.eigeldinger.vol.at>

Hi List,

My name is Simon. I have just subscribed to this list.

I am looking for a source client for Linux which is able to stream 
all files in a directory. It would be also interesting if this tool 
can reencode the stream and has a shuffle mode.

Thank you.

Simon


From zedder_hallen at yahoo.it  Sun Oct  8 20:54:33 2006
From: zedder_hallen at yahoo.it (mauro)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 22:54:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Icecast] icecast live radio web
Message-ID: <20061008205434.64177.qmail@web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

hi all
i need to setup a live web radio using icecast, currently ruuning with mpd and a list of files. I need also to mix voice and music how can I Do this? Have you some links to study?
thanks


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From david.baelde at gmail.com  Sun Oct  8 21:14:10 2006
From: david.baelde at gmail.com (David Baelde)
Date: Sun, 8 Oct 2006 23:14:10 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] icecast live radio web
In-Reply-To: <20061008205434.64177.qmail@web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20061008205434.64177.qmail@web26607.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <53c655920610081414u2e790d89l63ea0b0bf58bc765@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/8/06, mauro <zedder_hallen at yahoo.it> wrote:
> i need to setup a live web radio using icecast, currently ruuning with mpd
> and a list of files. I need also to mix voice and music how can I Do this?

As usual I will promote the tool I developped... You have complicated
needs, and I don't see how you could get what you need with
conventional tools. But liquidsoap is able to do what you want:
playing files, relaying a live show, and mixing voice and music. For
the mpd thing I don't see what you mean. If you need manual control on
the playlist, liquidsoap does that too anyway.

> Have you some links to study?

Sure. The project is on sourceforge:
  http://sourceforge.net/projects/savonet
Some doc and cookbook are available in liquidsoap's tarball. They're
also on our wiki, which is unfortunately unavailable from time to time
-- sourceforge isn't a good web host. The pages that might be of
interest to you:
  http://savonet.sf.net/wiki/Liquidsoap
  http://savonet.sf.net/wiki/LiqExamples
  http://savonet.sf.net/wiki/LiqQuickstart

I'd be happy to answer questions.
-- 
David


From charlesg at unixrealm.com  Tue Oct 10 14:07:39 2006
From: charlesg at unixrealm.com (Charles Gagnon)
Date: Tue, 10 Oct 2006 10:07:39 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] Help! Feeds don't work from Macs
Message-ID: <20061010140738.GA28631@enif.unixrealm.com>

Help!

I have a very straight forward Icecast setup. I tried 2.2.0 and
2.3.1 with similar results. I have 3 MP3 mounts coming from
Shoutcast servers. Everything works great but for some reason, I
cannot get my feeds to play on macs OR even on Quicktime from PC.

In Quicktime, if I use http:// I get nothing and if I use icy://,
the player window opens, it looks like it will play for a second and
than just says "Disconnected".

Does anyone have any information on this?

-- 
Charles Gagnon                   | My views are my views and they
http://unixrealm.com             | do not represent those of anybody
charlesg at unixrealm.com        | but me.



From bhance at gmail.com  Wed Oct 11 18:07:06 2006
From: bhance at gmail.com (Bryan Hance)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:07:06 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] An open YP directory
Message-ID: <5d7472460610111107s11bfe8ddr8da76e82c9f47476@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all -

In the interest of getting an open, mp3-compatible YP directory
available to the public, I have begun www.openradiodirectory.org

Directions for YP listing are here: http://www.openradiodirectory.org/list.php

It's a 100% fresh YP implementation in PHP/MySQL. Touch frequency is
currently at four minutes while I work out some of the minor kinks.

There's still a few rough edges, but I hope this alleviates some of
the ongoing problems and questions re: available Icecast YP servers
that list mp3, etc.

I hope this also supports the overall Icecast cause by throwing a bit
of YP redundancy and variation into the mix.

-Bryan Hance
-openradiodirectory.org


From telmnstr at 757.org  Wed Oct 11 18:14:02 2006
From: telmnstr at 757.org (telmnstr at 757.org)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:14:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Icecast] An open YP directory
In-Reply-To: <5d7472460610111107s11bfe8ddr8da76e82c9f47476@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5d7472460610111107s11bfe8ddr8da76e82c9f47476@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.NEB.4.62.0610111413160.8747@users.757.org>

> Hello all -
> It's a 100% fresh YP implementation in PHP/MySQL. Touch frequency is
> currently at four minutes while I work out some of the minor kinks.

Props! Good to see this, since Shoutcast is closed.

 				- Ethan


From kiwi at oav.net  Wed Oct 11 20:41:23 2006
From: kiwi at oav.net (Xavier Beaudouin)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:41:23 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] An open YP directory
In-Reply-To: <5d7472460610111107s11bfe8ddr8da76e82c9f47476@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5d7472460610111107s11bfe8ddr8da76e82c9f47476@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00088820-2896-4D67-84DB-07A6E2DE8B80@oav.net>

Hi Bryan,

>
> In the interest of getting an open, mp3-compatible YP directory
> available to the public, I have begun www.openradiodirectory.org
>
> Directions for YP listing are here: http:// 
> www.openradiodirectory.org/list.php
>
> It's a 100% fresh YP implementation in PHP/MySQL. Touch frequency is
> currently at four minutes while I work out some of the minor kinks.
>
> There's still a few rough edges, but I hope this alleviates some of
> the ongoing problems and questions re: available Icecast YP servers
> that list mp3, etc.
>
> I hope this also supports the overall Icecast cause by throwing a bit
> of YP redundancy and variation into the mix.

This is a brillian new :)

Thanks !

/Xavier


From mwells at intercontech.com  Thu Oct 12 02:01:43 2006
From: mwells at intercontech.com (Melbourne Wells)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:01:43 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] Hardware RackMount Codec?
Message-ID: <5C35224AB105494093BBD9364DBCC60A14374E@hermes.it00.intercontech.com>

Hello all.  I've been a fan of the xiph project for some time, thank you for your excellent work.  I am looking for a fully-developed, beta, or alpha open-source hardware platform for remote deployment to terrestrial fm transmitters and streaming to general internet listeners.  Willing to participate in development/beta testing of projects or possible $ support for an existing project.  Able to beta in production fm environment.  Requirements include lossless (compressed or not) and lossy streaming from a gpl pc based rackmount server.

Thanks again for your efforts and looking forward to assist in anyway I can.





From mp at xmission.com  Thu Oct 12 18:55:10 2006
From: mp at xmission.com (Michael Place)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 12:55:10 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] Resco Radio and Icecast
Message-ID: <452E8F8E.4000607@xmission.com>

Has anybody tested Resco Radio with Icecast 2.3.1? We have a listener 
who can connect to other stations without a problem, but his connections 
to Icecast buffer and drop. He's connecting via Cingular wireless, but 
as I said, other connections seem to work without a problem.

Any insight would be appreciated.

-mp


From karl at xiph.org  Thu Oct 12 23:40:30 2006
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 00:40:30 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Resco Radio and Icecast
In-Reply-To: <452E8F8E.4000607@xmission.com>
References: <452E8F8E.4000607@xmission.com>
Message-ID: <452ED26E.3030003@xiph.org>

Michael Place wrote:
> Has anybody tested Resco Radio with Icecast 2.3.1? We have a listener 
> who can connect to other stations without a problem, but his connections 
> to Icecast buffer and drop. He's connecting via Cingular wireless, but 
> as I said, other connections seem to work without a problem.

Usually when icecast drops a listener for being too far behind, it's 
because either bandwidth has been max'd out or something has happened to 
the network to cause a stall. It's also possible that the queue size is 
too small, don't forget that burst-size bytes of the queue are sent at 
listener connection time.

karl.




From greg at orban.com  Fri Oct 13 06:24:42 2006
From: greg at orban.com (Greg J. Ogonowski)
Date: Thu, 12 Oct 2006 23:24:42 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Resco Radio and Icecast
In-Reply-To: <452E8F8E.4000607@xmission.com>
References: <452E8F8E.4000607@xmission.com>
Message-ID: <6.2.3.4.2.20061012231429.020c6da0@mail.indexcom.com>

Yes, I can verify that Resco Radio is a problem with Icecast2 streams.

I had contacted the author months ago with information as to how to 
fix this, but I don't believe a fix has been released.

Some players that have Icecast2 compatibility issues can be made to 
work with Icecast2 servers by disabling
Burst on Connect, and changing Metadata Interval to 8192. This 
doesn't always work, as there are still a few minor differences in 
the Server > Client initialization.

I will contact them again, in hopes they can fix their software.

-greg.


At 11:55 2006-10-12, Michael Place wrote:
>Has anybody tested Resco Radio with Icecast 2.3.1? We have a 
>listener who can connect to other stations without a problem, but 
>his connections to Icecast buffer and drop. He's connecting via 
>Cingular wireless, but as I said, other connections seem to work 
>without a problem.
>
>Any insight would be appreciated.
>
>-mp
>_______________________________________________
>Icecast mailing list
>Icecast at xiph.org
>http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast

Greg J. Ogonowski
VP Product Development
ORBAN/CRL, Inc.
1525 Alvarado St.
San Leandro, CA 94577
+1 510 351-3500  TEL
+1 510 351-0500  FAX
greg at orban.com
www.orban.com 



From tb at djh.dk  Fri Oct 13 09:36:40 2006
From: tb at djh.dk (Tor Berg)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 11:36:40 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast usability
Message-ID: <OFEEBA525C.1962D418-ONC1257206.0034B555-C1257206.0034841B@domino.djh.dk>

Hi

We are looking for a product that applies to this specs.

1) We need to allow different users / departments access to upload Audio 
and Video files for streaming
2) We need to comply with MPEG4 and MP3. And that playing does not require 
a specific player (we can accept Windows Media Player, QuickTime, iTunes, 
Winamp)
3) We want users to be able to organise their material - and that m3u 
lists and RSS (podcast/Vodcast) can be created per 'playlist'
4) We would like to install the server on a Mac OS X server

Can Icast do all this, maybe by adding some 3rd part apps or something?

Tor Berg
 
The Danish School of Journalism
Olof Palmes Alle 11
DK-8200 Aarhus N
IT-Developer
e-mail: tb at djh.dk 
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From aawolfe at gmail.com  Fri Oct 13 20:35:25 2006
From: aawolfe at gmail.com (Aaron Wolfe)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:35:25 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] Resco Radio and Icecast
In-Reply-To: <6.2.3.4.2.20061012231429.020c6da0@mail.indexcom.com>
References: <452E8F8E.4000607@xmission.com>
	<6.2.3.4.2.20061012231429.020c6da0@mail.indexcom.com>
Message-ID: <e44ad6640610131335s3d5ff9c8n788edbea231075c8@mail.gmail.com>

Same problem here, Resco Radio does not work with my Icecast stream (also v
2.3.1) but every other client I have tried works fine.  I recommend looking
at mortplayer as a very nice and free alternative to Resco's junk player.

-Aaron


On 10/13/06, Greg J. Ogonowski <greg at orban.com> wrote:
>
> Yes, I can verify that Resco Radio is a problem with Icecast2 streams.
>
> I had contacted the author months ago with information as to how to
> fix this, but I don't believe a fix has been released.
>
> Some players that have Icecast2 compatibility issues can be made to
> work with Icecast2 servers by disabling
> Burst on Connect, and changing Metadata Interval to 8192. This
> doesn't always work, as there are still a few minor differences in
> the Server > Client initialization.
>
> I will contact them again, in hopes they can fix their software.
>
> -greg.
>
>
> At 11:55 2006-10-12, Michael Place wrote:
> >Has anybody tested Resco Radio with Icecast 2.3.1? We have a
> >listener who can connect to other stations without a problem, but
> >his connections to Icecast buffer and drop. He's connecting via
> >Cingular wireless, but as I said, other connections seem to work
> >without a problem.
> >
> >Any insight would be appreciated.
> >
> >-mp
> >_______________________________________________
> >Icecast mailing list
> >Icecast at xiph.org
> >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
> Greg J. Ogonowski
> VP Product Development
> ORBAN/CRL, Inc.
> 1525 Alvarado St.
> San Leandro, CA 94577
> +1 510 351-3500  TEL
> +1 510 351-0500  FAX
> greg at orban.com
> www.orban.com
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
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From dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de  Fri Oct 13 14:06:34 2006
From: dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de (Thomas B. Ruecker)
Date: Fri, 13 Oct 2006 16:06:34 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast usability
In-Reply-To: <OFEEBA525C.1962D418-ONC1257206.0034B555-C1257206.0034841B@domino.djh.dk>
References: <OFEEBA525C.1962D418-ONC1257206.0034B555-C1257206.0034841B@domino.djh.dk>
Message-ID: <452F9D6A.8020506@afthd.tu-darmstadt.de>

Tor Berg wrote:
>
> Hi
>
> We are looking for a product that applies to this specs.
>
> 1) We need to allow different users / departments access to upload
> Audio and Video files for streaming
> 2) We need to comply with MPEG4 and MP3. And that playing does not
> require a specific player (we can accept Windows Media Player,
> QuickTime, iTunes, Winamp)
> 3) We want users to be able to organise their material - and that m3u
> lists and RSS (podcast/Vodcast) can be created per 'playlist'
> 4) We would like to install the server on a Mac OS X server
>
> Can Icast do all this, maybe by adding some 3rd part apps or something?
Your requirements sound like you're searching for an on-demand content
delivery system.
In my opinion Icecast is not the ideal solution in this situation.
Icecast is designed towards live-streaming. Static file delivery was
never its strong side. (Apache is much better at that anyway)

I think we had a similar discussion earlier and someone recommended
jinzora. You might want to check that out.

Cheers

Thomas



From j.v.d.stoel at stream-it.nl  Sat Oct 14 18:59:27 2006
From: j.v.d.stoel at stream-it.nl (j.v.d.stoel at stream-it.nl)
Date: 14 Oct 2006 20:59:27 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Re: Icecast Digest, Vol 29, Issue 11
Message-ID: <20061014185927.22128.qmail@vds.stream-it.nl>

Van 14 t/m 23 oktober ben ik niet bereikbaar. Voor dringende zaken verzoek ik u een mailtje te sturen naar info at stream-it.nl of even naar ons kantoor te bellen (040 2556036).

Met vriendelijke groet,
Johan van der Stoel

>From October 14th-23th I am not available. For urgent issues please send an email to info at stream-it.nl or call our office (+31 40 2556036).

Best regards,
Johan van der Stoel




From daniel.quintana at vsti.cl  Wed Oct 18 23:49:17 2006
From: daniel.quintana at vsti.cl (Daniel Quintana C.)
Date: Wed, 18 Oct 2006 16:49:17 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Traffic Statistic
Message-ID: <006a01c6f311$12514f30$aa00a8c0@kottoland>

Hello
How can i show daily-hour statistic of the listeners of each mounting point in my server?

Thanks
Daniel
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From j.v.d.stoel at stream-it.nl  Thu Oct 19 03:09:06 2006
From: j.v.d.stoel at stream-it.nl (j.v.d.stoel at stream-it.nl)
Date: 19 Oct 2006 05:09:06 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Re: Icecast Digest, Vol 29, Issue 12
Message-ID: <20061019030906.26314.qmail@vds.stream-it.nl>

Van 14 t/m 23 oktober ben ik niet bereikbaar. Voor dringende zaken verzoek ik u een mailtje te sturen naar info at stream-it.nl of even naar ons kantoor te bellen (040 2556036).

Met vriendelijke groet,
Johan van der Stoel

>From October 14th-23th I am not available. For urgent issues please send an email to info at stream-it.nl or call our office (+31 40 2556036).

Best regards,
Johan van der Stoel




From simon.eigeldinger at vol.at  Thu Oct 19 15:59:09 2006
From: simon.eigeldinger at vol.at (Simon Eigeldinger)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:59:09 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] creating playlist for ices
Message-ID: <4537BCED.25067.279A2F0@simon.eigeldinger.vol.at>

Hi,

Can someone tell me how a playlist for ices can be created?

Thank you,
Simon


From daniel.quintana at vsti.cl  Thu Oct 19 22:41:50 2006
From: daniel.quintana at vsti.cl (Daniel Quintana C.)
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 15:41:50 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Statistic
Message-ID: <006f01c6f3cf$c71af3d0$aa00a8c0@kottoland>

How can i make daily statistcs of listener conections for each mounting
point?
    Thanks
    Daniel Q.



From simon.eigeldinger at vol.at  Fri Oct 20 08:00:49 2006
From: simon.eigeldinger at vol.at (simon.eigeldinger at vol.at)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 10:00:49 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Creating a playlist for Ices
Message-ID: <web-340518262@stalker1.tele.net>

Hi,

Can someone tell me how to create a playlist file for 
ices?

Thank you,
Simon


From timbiker at gmail.com  Fri Oct 20 09:56:15 2006
From: timbiker at gmail.com (timothe)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 09:56:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Icecast] Re: URL authentication
References: <55D4E0AC-4FCE-40D1-BC78-D8947ECC7015@peterbengtson.com><A9987E10-0799-48E3-865C-28B36941F64C@peterbengtson.com><014f01c6d337$2cdcaec0$3f6510ac@in.telecom.lt>	<197B29E0-E468-4974-BE6D-3A8CD93610D9@peterbengtson.com>	<016201c6d33b$788a7970$3f6510ac@in.telecom.lt>
	<B4B94850-0F95-4877-8A4A-F9134B9D284F@peterbengtson.com>
	<450158CD.9010305@home.nl>
	<B4EF20F3-A390-4D26-B693-2D920EE827F4@peterbengtson.com>
Message-ID: <loom.20061020T115014-1@post.gmane.org>


Peter Bengtson <peter <at> peterbengtson.com> writes:

> 
> Thanks for the pointer - CURL was indeed compiled in, but the library  
> version was too old. Upgrading CURL fixed it very nicely!
> 
> 	/ Peter Bengtson
> 

Hello Peter,
Is there possibility that you post your php script for icecast authentication,
so that it would be easier or person like me who are not php programmer to
create our own script (changing request for sql database...). I think there is a
big part which would be the same (get info form icecast and send back the
authorization at the end)

Thank you, 
     Timothe



From simon.eigeldinger at vol.at  Fri Oct 20 11:05:26 2006
From: simon.eigeldinger at vol.at (Simon Eigeldinger)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:05:26 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] it works now
Message-ID: <4538C996.14178.322D27@simon.eigeldinger.vol.at>

Hi,

My ices and playlists stuff works now.

Thank you,
Simon


From j.v.d.stoel at stream-it.nl  Fri Oct 20 18:56:57 2006
From: j.v.d.stoel at stream-it.nl (j.v.d.stoel at stream-it.nl)
Date: 20 Oct 2006 20:56:57 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Re: Icecast Digest, Vol 29, Issue 13
Message-ID: <20061020185657.3074.qmail@vds.stream-it.nl>

Van 14 t/m 23 oktober ben ik niet bereikbaar. Voor dringende zaken verzoek ik u een mailtje te sturen naar info at stream-it.nl of even naar ons kantoor te bellen (040 2556036).

Met vriendelijke groet,
Johan van der Stoel

>From October 14th-23th I am not available. For urgent issues please send an email to info at stream-it.nl or call our office (+31 40 2556036).

Best regards,
Johan van der Stoel




From dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de  Fri Oct 20 20:25:30 2006
From: dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de (Thomas B. Ruecker)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:25:30 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Statistic
In-Reply-To: <006f01c6f3cf$c71af3d0$aa00a8c0@kottoland>
References: <006f01c6f3cf$c71af3d0$aa00a8c0@kottoland>
Message-ID: <453930BA.3040802@afthd.tu-darmstadt.de>

Daniel Quintana C. wrote:
> How can i make daily statistcs of listener conections for each mounting
> point?
>     Thanks
>     Daniel Q.
>   
use a log analyzer or mrtg or rrd-tool.
as for a log analyzer i can recommend webalizer or its fork designed for
streaming. (url somewhere in archives)

Cheers

Thomas


From dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de  Fri Oct 20 20:29:11 2006
From: dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de (Thomas B. Ruecker)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 22:29:11 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] creating playlist for ices
In-Reply-To: <4537BCED.25067.279A2F0@simon.eigeldinger.vol.at>
References: <4537BCED.25067.279A2F0@simon.eigeldinger.vol.at>
Message-ID: <45393197.7010309@afthd.tu-darmstadt.de>

Simon Eigeldinger wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Can someone tell me how a playlist for ices can be created?
>   
just
"/path/to/file"
one per line.

can be nicely automated by using something like "find |grep .ogg"

Cheers

Thomas


From simon.eigeldinger at vol.at  Fri Oct 20 22:11:56 2006
From: simon.eigeldinger at vol.at (Simon Eigeldinger)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 00:11:56 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] creating playlist for ices
In-Reply-To: <45393197.7010309@afthd.tu-darmstadt.de>
References: <4537BCED.25067.279A2F0@simon.eigeldinger.vol.at>,
	<45393197.7010309@afthd.tu-darmstadt.de>
Message-ID: <453965CC.17206.2946094@simon.eigeldinger.vol.at>

Hi guys,

Thank you all for helping.
Everything is setup. The stuff works.

Thank you all,
Simon


From gblau at w3am.com  Thu Oct 12 02:06:08 2006
From: gblau at w3am.com (Gary Blau)
Date: Wed, 11 Oct 2006 22:06:08 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] Hardware RackMount Codec?
In-Reply-To: <5C35224AB105494093BBD9364DBCC60A14374E@hermes.it00.intercontech.com>
References: <5C35224AB105494093BBD9364DBCC60A14374E@hermes.it00.intercontech.com>
Message-ID: <452DA310.2000208@w3am.com>

FWIW, Barix offers inexpensive streaming encode/decode appliances like this:

http://www.barix.com/products/instreamer_network_mp3_encoder.html

g


Melbourne Wells wrote:

> Hello all.  I've been a fan of the xiph project for some time, thank you for your excellent work.  I am looking for a fully-developed, beta, or alpha open-source hardware platform for remote deployment to terrestrial fm transmitters and streaming to general internet listeners.  Willing to participate in development/beta testing of projects or possible $ support for an existing project.  Able to beta in production fm environment.  Requirements include lossless (compressed or not) and lossy streaming from a gpl pc based rackmount server.
> 
> Thanks again for your efforts and looking forward to assist in anyway I can.



From claudiob at gmail.com  Fri Oct 20 14:38:23 2006
From: claudiob at gmail.com (claudio b.)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 16:38:23 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Can ices read/stream a remote file rather than a local
	file?
Message-ID: <b2caf8a60610200738u7fc9376ew4349ecb81e96e968@mail.gmail.com>

Would it possible to use ices to send to icecast an audio file that
it's not located on the same machine where ices is running, but on
another machine?

I've checked through the source code of ices, and found out that it
uses PERL's read function. Maybe by changing this code I would get my
result?  What do you suggest?

If this is not possible, could ices in some way "upload" the remote
audio file to its own machine (so that, later, it can stream it to
icecast)?

Finally, if nothing of this is possible with ices/icecast, would it be
possible with some other input source or stream program?

Thanks to anyone who spends time and effort in replying.
.claudio


From matrimble at gmail.com  Fri Oct 20 19:13:27 2006
From: matrimble at gmail.com (Mark Trimble)
Date: Fri, 20 Oct 2006 13:13:27 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] RE: creating playlist for ices
Message-ID: <17b895960610201213h6d5428e2mfffbbfeb99f4782d@mail.gmail.com>

I've been very pleased with the Fast Audio Playlist Generator (fapg)
available here:

http://royale.zerezo.com/fapg/

or if you happen to run Debian, here:

http://packages.debian.org/stable/sound/fapg

It's command-line, fast, recursive and, when combined with symbolic links,
extremely flexible.

Regards,

Mark

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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 19 Oct 2006 17:59:09 +0200
From: "Simon Eigeldinger" <simon.eigeldinger at vol.at>
Subject: [Icecast] creating playlist for ices
To: icecast at xiph.org
Message-ID: <4537BCED.25067.279A2F0 at simon.eigeldinger.vol.at>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Hi,

Can someone tell me how a playlist for ices can be created?

Thank you,
Simon


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From dnr at freemail.lt  Sat Oct 21 06:20:28 2006
From: dnr at freemail.lt (Klauss Fumuldavijus)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 09:20:28 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] Re: URL authentication
References: <55D4E0AC-4FCE-40D1-BC78-D8947ECC7015@peterbengtson.com><A9987E10-0799-48E3-865C-28B36941F64C@peterbengtson.com><014f01c6d337$2cdcaec0$3f6510ac@in.telecom.lt>	<197B29E0-E468-4974-BE6D-3A8CD93610D9@peterbengtson.com>	<016201c6d33b$788a7970$3f6510ac@in.telecom.lt><B4B94850-0F95-4877-8A4A-F9134B9D284F@peterbengtson.com><450158CD.9010305@home.nl><B4EF20F3-A390-4D26-B693-2D920EE827F4@peterbengtson.com>
	<loom.20061020T115014-1@post.gmane.org>
Message-ID: <000f01c6f4d9$01542490$f401010a@zombys>

check out the
icecast-2.3.1/examples/icecast_auth-1.0.tar.gz

> Hello Peter,
> Is there possibility that you post your php script for icecast 
> authentication,
> so that it would be easier or person like me who are not php programmer to
> create our own script (changing request for sql database...). I think 
> there is a
> big part which would be the same (get info form icecast and send back the
> authorization at the end)
>
> Thank you,
>     Timothe



From david.baelde at gmail.com  Sat Oct 21 12:07:45 2006
From: david.baelde at gmail.com (David Baelde)
Date: Sat, 21 Oct 2006 14:07:45 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Can ices read/stream a remote file rather than a local
	file?
In-Reply-To: <b2caf8a60610200738u7fc9376ew4349ecb81e96e968@mail.gmail.com>
References: <b2caf8a60610200738u7fc9376ew4349ecb81e96e968@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <53c655920610210507k50dfc257n7a7630acf5037c8b@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

A first possibility is to make your remote file look local, using some
network filesystem: fusesmb, ftpfs, sshfs, etc. However, a network
error occuring while Ices is decoding your file may crash the stream
of make it lag.

Otherwise, using perl-scriptability of Ices, you can make it download
files in advances (using whatever lib or external program from Perl)
and then pass them to Ices, and finally erase them after playback.
It's not exactly straightforward.

There may be better and easier solutions.

Another possibility is to move to another tool. I developped
liquidsoap after having tried to pack several features in a perl
script used with Ices, and ended up with a messy unmaintainable
script. Liquidsoap handles remote files transparently
(http,https,ftp,smb) and does much more:
http://savonet.sf.net/wiki/Liquidsoap. Feel free to ask questions!

Hope this helps.
-- 
David


From j.v.d.stoel at stream-it.nl  Sat Oct 21 14:02:28 2006
From: j.v.d.stoel at stream-it.nl (j.v.d.stoel at stream-it.nl)
Date: 21 Oct 2006 16:02:28 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Re: Icecast Digest, Vol 29, Issue 14
Message-ID: <20061021140228.25758.qmail@vds.stream-it.nl>

Van 14 t/m 23 oktober ben ik niet bereikbaar. Voor dringende zaken verzoek ik u een mailtje te sturen naar info at stream-it.nl of even naar ons kantoor te bellen (040 2556036).

Met vriendelijke groet,
Johan van der Stoel

>From October 14th-23th I am not available. For urgent issues please send an email to info at stream-it.nl or call our office (+31 40 2556036).

Best regards,
Johan van der Stoel




From defan at zenon.net  Mon Oct 23 09:19:59 2006
From: defan at zenon.net (Andrew N. Below)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 13:19:59 +0400
Subject: [Icecast] Metadata in non UTF-8 encoding support (patch)
Message-ID: <033201c6f684$6bb8b1a0$970da8c0@jam.zenon.net>

Hi there.

http://defan.zenon.net/freebsd/patch-icecast2-encoding

This patch allows icecast to encode metadata from
specified charset to UTF-8 for stats output and
using different charset for log output.

Variables to add to config (for example):

<icecast>
  <metadataenc>CP1251</metadataenc>
  ...
  <logging>
     ...
     <logenc>KOI8-R</logenc>
     ...
  </logging>
</icecast>

libiconv is used to do conversion task.
It works for me on freebsd 6-stable and icecast 2.3.1.

--
Andrew N. Below
Zenon N.S.P.


From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Oct 23 15:34:36 2006
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:34:36 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Metadata in non UTF-8 encoding support (patch)
In-Reply-To: <033201c6f684$6bb8b1a0$970da8c0@jam.zenon.net>
References: <033201c6f684$6bb8b1a0$970da8c0@jam.zenon.net>
Message-ID: <3c1737210610230834s729b0607w18136c6ae9bc27b9@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/23/06, Andrew N. Below <defan at zenon.net> wrote:
> Hi there.
>
> http://defan.zenon.net/freebsd/patch-icecast2-encoding
>
> This patch allows icecast to encode metadata from
> specified charset to UTF-8 for stats output and
> using different charset for log output.

This sounds somewhat like the wrong approach to me.

The metadata should be transformed to UTF-8 on input, so it's stored
internally to icecast ONLY as UTF-8. This would be better done as a
mountpoint-specific option, as it's not something that I'd expect to
be the same across all mountpoints.

Using a different charset for logging sounds... strange. Why not just
always log in UTF-8, consistently?

That said, some solution for this problem would be nice.

Mike


From mark at indymedia.org  Mon Oct 23 19:26:53 2006
From: mark at indymedia.org (mark burdett)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 12:26:53 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Metadata in non UTF-8 encoding support (patch)
In-Reply-To: <3c1737210610230834s729b0607w18136c6ae9bc27b9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <033201c6f684$6bb8b1a0$970da8c0@jam.zenon.net>
	<3c1737210610230834s729b0607w18136c6ae9bc27b9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20061023192653.GA89496@indymedia.org>

i'd be happy with any solution.

XML listings of streams often have parse errors due to non UTF-8 
characters in the metadata.
(My own quick and dirty fix was for XSL to generate plain-text output..)

--mark

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:34:36 +0200, Michael Smith wrote:
> On 10/23/06, Andrew N. Below <defan at zenon.net> wrote:
> >Hi there.
> >
> >http://defan.zenon.net/freebsd/patch-icecast2-encoding
> >
> >This patch allows icecast to encode metadata from
> >specified charset to UTF-8 for stats output and
> >using different charset for log output.
> 
> This sounds somewhat like the wrong approach to me.
> 
> The metadata should be transformed to UTF-8 on input, so it's stored
> internally to icecast ONLY as UTF-8. This would be better done as a
> mountpoint-specific option, as it's not something that I'd expect to
> be the same across all mountpoints.
> 
> Using a different charset for logging sounds... strange. Why not just
> always log in UTF-8, consistently?
> 
> That said, some solution for this problem would be nice.
> 
> Mike
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast


From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Oct 23 19:50:14 2006
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 21:50:14 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Metadata in non UTF-8 encoding support (patch)
In-Reply-To: <20061023192653.GA89496@indymedia.org>
References: <033201c6f684$6bb8b1a0$970da8c0@jam.zenon.net>
	<3c1737210610230834s729b0607w18136c6ae9bc27b9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20061023192653.GA89496@indymedia.org>
Message-ID: <3c1737210610231250x559ab8ccw993d371a61c7edd3@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/23/06, mark burdett <mark at indymedia.org> wrote:
> i'd be happy with any solution.
>
> XML listings of streams often have parse errors due to non UTF-8
> characters in the metadata.
> (My own quick and dirty fix was for XSL to generate plain-text output..)

Right. That's a combination of a bug, and a missing feature:

bug: we don't strip/convert to ?/whatever invalid UTF-8 data from
various input sources
missing feature: no way to specify a particular conversion to UTF-8
when reading metadata.

Mike


From oddsock at oddsock.org  Mon Oct 23 22:41:44 2006
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Mon, 23 Oct 2006 17:41:44 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] All stream types returned to the Stream Directory
Message-ID: <453D4528.5060105@oddsock.org>

After a bit of debate, it has been decided that all stream types should be
allowed to list on our stream directory.  We have corrected the load issue
and have to come to agreement that it is in the best interest of everyone
to support all the broadcasters in the community, regardless of their
choices of streaming media type.

We encourage all that are currently broadcasting in patent and license
encumbered media formats to take this opportunity to create streams using
patent-free xiph.org alternatives such as ogg vorbis and ogg theora.  Show
your listeners that you are part of a bigger picture of choice and
freedom.

oddsock & the icecast team...



From mott at reverberant.com  Mon Oct 23 23:32:30 2006
From: mott at reverberant.com (Iain Mott)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 09:32:30 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Icecast] Calculate stream latency
In-Reply-To: <453D4528.5060105@oddsock.org>
References: <453D4528.5060105@oddsock.org>
Message-ID: <37209.127.0.0.1.1161646350.squirrel@a2s7.a2hosting.com>

Dear list

I'm wondering what techniques are around to determine (on a client
machine) the latency of an mp3 stream? I'm hoping to retrieve this sort of
data in a Flash player ? but any tips on this would be helpful. I'm not
looking for super-accurate data ? a tolerance of 2 seconds would be ok ?
so the simpler the technique the better. The project is to ?synchronise?
audio with text delivered by a TCP connection (specifically, from a
?Flosc? server). At present I'm using the audio program Pd with a
"shoutcast~" external (uses Lame encoding) which streams to an local
Icecast server - and then relayed on to listeners by a shoutcast service.
The machine running Pd and Icecast is also running the Flosc server.

cheers,

Iain


_________
Iain Mott
www.reverberant.com


From philipp at phflesch.de  Tue Oct 24 13:33:42 2006
From: philipp at phflesch.de (Philipp Flesch)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:33:42 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] multiple logins?
Message-ID: <453E1636.6020904@phflesch.de>

hi!
We are using the latest verison of icecast ... and it works more than
great ...
but: how can we allow a user to login more than once? I don't want to
create accounts for every single user ...

Philipp


From sguglia at arrows.it  Tue Oct 24 13:42:32 2006
From: sguglia at arrows.it (Stefano Guglia)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 15:42:32 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] downloading vs. streaming from browser
Message-ID: <200610241542.32922.sguglia@arrows.it>

hi all!

my icecast server works great, but..if I link the server address on a web 
page, the browser (ANY browser) starts downloading instead streaming from the 
relevant player (VNC in my case). the target is a m3u file with some .ogg 
files local paths inside.
launching directly vnc http://.../myplaylist.m3u works fine.

no way for me to get it working so...help please :-))
-- 
thanks,
Stefano


From peter at theneb.co.uk  Tue Oct 24 19:21:44 2006
From: peter at theneb.co.uk (Peter Brooks)
Date: Tue, 24 Oct 2006 20:21:44 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Wifi connections
Message-ID: <ae46fb3d0610241221p704ad181sb609e7480f0df058@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all,
I'm just querying if anyone's attempted to stream off icecast over wireless
onto devices such as photos/mp3 players, As these devices are finally coming
onto the market with wifi then I'm sure they will play an important part in
any distribution for University Radio stations such as the one I'm part of
running.
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From kloschi at subsignal.org  Tue Oct 24 20:28:27 2006
From: kloschi at subsignal.org (kloschi)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 01:58:27 +0530
Subject: [Icecast] Wifi connections
In-Reply-To: <ae46fb3d0610241221p704ad181sb609e7480f0df058@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae46fb3d0610241221p704ad181sb609e7480f0df058@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1161721707.7535.16.camel@localhost>

On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 20:21 +0100, Peter Brooks wrote:
> Hello all,
> I'm just querying if anyone's attempted to stream off icecast over
> wireless onto devices such as photos/mp3 players, As these devices are
> finally coming onto the market with wifi then I'm sure they will play
> an important part in any distribution for University Radio stations
> such as the one I'm part of running. 

We were trying successfully running icecast on Linksys WRT 54 G / GL
boxes a while ago in our free networks in weimar and leipzig in germany.
actually it was very good running. and in the decentral infratructures
it makes sense to make excessive use of the relay and fallback features
of icecast .. hehe, meshed icecasting :)

see http://freifunk.net for free community networks. for more on
streaming in that networks ask at wlanware at freifunk.net (actually google
for the freifunk mailinglists mailman ;) ), as the people who
experimented with icecast on wrt are reading those lists.

best,
kloschi

ps/ just used icecast for streaming from the World Summit on Free
Information Infrastructures in Dharamsala/India until an hour ago :)
http://wsfii.org 
http://summit.airjaldi.com/wiki/
http://summit.airjaldi.com/wiki/index.php/Stream
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From dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de  Wed Oct 25 01:00:20 2006
From: dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de (Thomas B. Ruecker)
Date: Wed, 25 Oct 2006 03:00:20 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Wifi connections
In-Reply-To: <ae46fb3d0610241221p704ad181sb609e7480f0df058@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ae46fb3d0610241221p704ad181sb609e7480f0df058@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <453EB724.8090107@afthd.tu-darmstadt.de>

Peter Brooks wrote:
> Hello all,
> I'm just querying if anyone's attempted to stream off icecast over
> wireless onto devices such as photos/mp3 players, As these devices are
> finally coming onto the market with wifi then I'm sure they will play
> an important part in any distribution for University Radio stations
> such as the one I'm part of running.
been there - done that

www.openpma.org + pmaplay = mobile listening device
also before i tried a hp-Jornada720 + orinoccoGold + some-mediaplayer-app

Cheers

Thomas


From leo.currie at gmail.com  Thu Oct 26 19:08:22 2006
From: leo.currie at gmail.com (Leo Currie)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 21:08:22 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Wifi connections
In-Reply-To: <1161721707.7535.16.camel@localhost>
References: <ae46fb3d0610241221p704ad181sb609e7480f0df058@mail.gmail.com>
	<1161721707.7535.16.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <4d6104170610261208s1ed55255w310ce0d8add91ff@mail.gmail.com>

On 24/10/06, kloschi <kloschi at subsignal.org> wrote:
> On Tue, 2006-10-24 at 20:21 +0100, Peter Brooks wrote:
> > Hello all,
> > I'm just querying if anyone's attempted to stream off icecast over
> > wireless onto devices such as photos/mp3 players, As these devices are
> > finally coming onto the market with wifi then I'm sure they will play
> > an important part in any distribution for University Radio stations
> > such as the one I'm part of running.
>
> We were trying successfully running icecast on Linksys WRT 54 G / GL
> boxes a while ago in our free networks in weimar and leipzig in germany.
> actually it was very good running. and in the decentral infratructures
> it makes sense to make excessive use of the relay and fallback features
> of icecast .. hehe, meshed icecasting :)
>

My WRT54G clone (Belkin F5D7231-4P) running OpenWRT happily plays back
Vorbis streams from Icecast. It uses a USB sound card and MPD.
This makes for a very cheap (~50 euros) and flexible embedded
Icecast/Vorbis player.

Leo


From zach at rainydawg.org  Thu Oct 26 22:33:58 2006
From: zach at rainydawg.org (Zach Hale)
Date: Thu, 26 Oct 2006 15:33:58 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Listener count wrong in admin/stats.xml
Message-ID: <d291306f0610261533s25df7041l93c3cffcab7407cb@mail.gmail.com>

A few days ago the listenership of our low mp3 stream stopped going
below 6 listeners. We used to have 0 normally and it seems to be at 6
all the times I would figure it should be at 0. Is there a way to
reset the connections that might have caused this to go wonky?

-- 
Zach Hale
zachhale at gmail.com
http://zachhale.com/


From defan at zenon.net  Fri Oct 27 08:37:44 2006
From: defan at zenon.net (Andrew N. Below)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 12:37:44 +0400
Subject: [Icecast] SIGHUP to icecast running in chroot mode
Message-ID: <0eb301c6f9a3$2c447ff0$970da8c0@jam.zenon.net>

Hi.

It seems like if icecast receiving SIGHUP while
running in chroot mode, it fails to open config file.

I run icecast chrooted in /home/icecast:

[2006-10-27  12:32:37] INFO main/main Icecast 2.3.1 server started
[2006-10-27  12:32:37] INFO fserve/fserv_thread_function file serving thread
started
[2006-10-27  12:32:37] INFO yp/yp_update_thread YP update thread started
[2006-10-27  12:32:37] INFO auth/auth_run_thread Authentication thread
started
[2006-10-27  12:33:10] WARN config I/O
[2006-10-27  12:33:10] WARN config warning :
[2006-10-27  12:33:10] WARN config failed to load external entity
"/home/icecast/etc/icecast.xml"
[2006-10-27  12:33:10] EROR event/event_config_read Error parsing config,
not replacing existing config
[2006-10-27  12:33:10] EROR event/event_config_read Parse error in reading
/home/icecast/etc/icecast.xml

For a quick fix I just make symbolic link:

%ls -l /home/icecast/home/icecast/etc/icecast.xml
lrwxr-xr-x  1 icecast  icecast  16 Oct 27 12:36
/home/icecast/home/icecast/etc/icecast.xml -> /etc/icecast.xml

--
Andrew N. Below
Zenon N.S.P.



From ml at bortal.de  Sun Oct 29 17:10:21 2006
From: ml at bortal.de (mario)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:10:21 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Live/Realtime streaming
Message-ID: <1162141821.4203.11.camel@linux.site>

Hello List,

i would like to stream to a network. I am expecting a delay/latency of
1-2ms.

I have compiled and install icecast 2.3.1 on OpenSuSE10.1.

I also had a look at:
http://www.6809.org.uk/media/ices2-howto.shtml#config-input-dev (1)
http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/2006-February/010340.html (2)
and
http://www.6809.org.uk/media/run_ices (3)


When i use Link/Way (3) i had to change the binary:
/usr/src/icecast-2.3.1/src/icecast -c live.xml &
#ices live.xml &  --> ices is not a valid binary file. At least i could
not find it anywhere.
------------------------------------
linux:/usr/src # ./run_ices.sh -S localhost -P 8000 -p hackme -m oss -q
-1 -o low.ogg test/low.ogg -b 128000 -o high.ogg test/high.ogg -t
01:00:00
FATAL: error parsing config file (live.xml)
root element is not <icecast>



When i try to use Link (2) i get:
-------------------------------------
linux:/usr/src # icecast -c test.xml
FATAL: error parsing config file (test.xml)
root element is not <icecast>



Could anyone maye send me a config for oss streaming and how to start
it?

Any ideas/hints would be great!!

Thanks. Mario




From ismael.ahamada at wanadoo.fr  Sun Oct 29 17:59:58 2006
From: ismael.ahamada at wanadoo.fr (=?iso-8859-1?Q?AHAMADAIsma=EBl?=)
Date: Sun, 29 Oct 2006 18:59:58 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Live/Realtime streaming
References: <1162141821.4203.11.camel@linux.site>
Message-ID: <000701c6fb84$0fce9710$b92dfea9@rem44715103790>

Je vous prie de m'envoyer les messages en fran?ais ( franch)
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "mario" <ml at bortal.de>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 6:10 PM
Subject: [Icecast] Live/Realtime streaming


> Hello List,
>
> i would like to stream to a network. I am expecting a delay/latency of
> 1-2ms.
>
> I have compiled and install icecast 2.3.1 on OpenSuSE10.1.
>
> I also had a look at:
> http://www.6809.org.uk/media/ices2-howto.shtml#config-input-dev (1)
> http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/2006-February/010340.html (2)
> and
> http://www.6809.org.uk/media/run_ices (3)
>
>
> When i use Link/Way (3) i had to change the binary:
> /usr/src/icecast-2.3.1/src/icecast -c live.xml &
> #ices live.xml &  --> ices is not a valid binary file. At least i could
> not find it anywhere.
> ------------------------------------
> linux:/usr/src # ./run_ices.sh -S localhost -P 8000 -p hackme -m oss -q
> -1 -o low.ogg test/low.ogg -b 128000 -o high.ogg test/high.ogg -t
> 01:00:00
> FATAL: error parsing config file (live.xml)
> root element is not <icecast>
>
>
>
> When i try to use Link (2) i get:
> -------------------------------------
> linux:/usr/src # icecast -c test.xml
> FATAL: error parsing config file (test.xml)
> root element is not <icecast>
>
>
>
> Could anyone maye send me a config for oss streaming and how to start
> it?
>
> Any ideas/hints would be great!!
>
> Thanks. Mario
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
>
>
> -- 
> No virus found in this incoming message.
> Checked by AVG Free Edition.
> Version: 7.5.428 / Virus Database: 268.13.17/505 - Release Date: 
> 27/10/2006 15:15
> 



From pm at nowster.zetnet.co.uk  Mon Oct 30 10:31:02 2006
From: pm at nowster.zetnet.co.uk (Paul Martin)
Date: Mon, 30 Oct 2006 10:31:02 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Live/Realtime streaming
In-Reply-To: <000701c6fb84$0fce9710$b92dfea9@rem44715103790>
References: <1162141821.4203.11.camel@linux.site>
	<000701c6fb84$0fce9710$b92dfea9@rem44715103790>
Message-ID: <20061030103102.GA7374@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk>

On Sun, Oct 29, 2006 at 06:59:58PM +0100, AHAMADAIsma?l wrote:
> Je vous prie de m'envoyer les messages en fran?ais ( franch)

Pam? Yma, maen nhw'n siarad yn Saesneg.
Warum? Sie sprechen Englisch hier.

Xiph est un groupe international. Les gens de beaucoup de nations ont lu 
les emails. Nous avons accept? de parler en Anglais.

Xiph is an international group. People of many nations read these 
emails. We have agreed to talk in English.

(PS. La langue l?-haut est la langue du Pays de Galles. The first line 
is in Welsh.)

-- 
Paul Martin <pm at zetnet.net> (work)
  <pm at nowster.zetnet.co.uk> (home)


From bhaviksdesai at yahoo.com  Fri Oct 27 22:32:07 2006
From: bhaviksdesai at yahoo.com (bhavik desai)
Date: Fri, 27 Oct 2006 22:32:07 -0000
Subject: [Icecast] RE Help with Stream
Message-ID: <20061027223159.99197.qmail@web35408.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

installed icecast 2 but I'm trying to get a stream working from my traktor 3 and I'm not getting it right.  If you could send me a walkthrough or guide, or help to how I can broadcast my stream to users.  


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