From drolyk at gmail.com  Sat Oct  1 11:50:35 2005
From: drolyk at gmail.com (Makurin Roman)
Date: Sat, 1 Oct 2005 15:50:35 +0400
Subject: [Icecast] fm-tuner and ices2
Message-ID: <200510011550.39945.drolyk@gmail.com>

Hi all.
These is my first post to this list, and I want to ask about using of 
ices-2.0.1 with fm-tuner. I can`t find any useful docs about such usage.

Here is my ices.xml :
---------------------------------------------------------------
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<ices>
    <background>1</background>
    <logpath>/var/log/ices</logpath>
    <logfile>ices.log</logfile>
    <loglevel>4</loglevel>
    <consolelog>0</consolelog>
    <pidfile>/var/run/ices.pid</pidfile>

    <stream>
        <metadata>
            <name>c3po radioZzz</name>
            <genre>Pop</genre>
            <description>enjoy GNU beer ;)</description>
        </metadata>

        <input>
            <module>alsa</module>
            <param name="rate">44100</param>
            <param name="channels">2</param>
            <param name="device">hw:0,0</param>
            <param name="periods">2</param>
            <param name="buffer-time">500</param>
            <param name="metadata">1</param>
            <param name="metadatafilename">/etc/ices2/tuner-metadata</param>
        </input>

        <instance>
            <hostname>c3po</hostname>
            <port>8000</port>
            <password>my_super_secret</password>
            <mount>/music-all.ogg</mount>

            <reconnectdelay>2</reconnectdelay>
            <reconnectattempts>100</reconnectattempts>

            <maxqueuelength>80</maxqueuelength>

            <encode>
                <nominal-bitrate>64000</nominal-bitrate>
                <samplerate>44100</samplerate>
                <channels>2</channels>
            </encode>
        </instance>

        </stream>
</ices>
---------------------------------------------------------------

When I connect to icecast i can`t hear anything :). What I need to do ?


Thanks
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From karl at xiph.org  Sat Oct  1 14:36:29 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 01 Oct 2005 15:36:29 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] fm-tuner and ices2
In-Reply-To: <200510011550.39945.drolyk@gmail.com>
References: <200510011550.39945.drolyk@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1128177389.7376.15.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

ices captures from the mixer on the specified device, so you have to
tell the mixer which input and what volume. check alsamixer

karl.




From gchelak at hotmail.com  Sun Oct  2 01:07:31 2005
From: gchelak at hotmail.com (Gerard Chelak)
Date: Sat, 01 Oct 2005 21:07:31 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] Mount failed on http://localhost:8000/stream,
	error: Socket error
Message-ID: <BAY106-F6EE10620EF640DFECCEC6A0810@phx.gbl>

I get the following from ices-0.4 as a source for streaming mp3 to icecast2

Playing song.mp3
Error during send:  Mount failed on http://localhost:8000/stream, error: 
Socket error
Error during send:  Mount failed on http://localhost:8000/stream, error: 
Socket error
Error during send:  Mount failed on http://localhost:8000/stream, error: 
Socket error
Too many stream errors, giving up




From matthew.schmidt at gmail.com  Tue Oct  4 14:42:55 2005
From: matthew.schmidt at gmail.com (Matthew Schmidt)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 09:42:55 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Double-speed mp3 streams
Message-ID: <efe4cbcd0510040742t348a3839i1e55680ab4504d47@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Folks,

I've been experiencing odd behavior lately. When I start a stream it
sometimes begins to stream at double the speed of what I'm sending it.
Stopping and restarting the stream usually solves the problem, but not
always. Stopping and restarting the server doesn't have any effect.

I was using Oddcast 3 standalone as the streaming client, and I thought
there may be a problem there, so I switched to SimpleCast. Got the same
problem. I think it might be the Icecast2 server now, although the logs
don't show any strangeness.

Have any of you experienced something like this? It sounds like Alvin and
the Chipmunks.

Any help greatly appreciated.

MTX
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From msmith at xiph.org  Tue Oct  4 14:53:36 2005
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2005 16:53:36 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Double-speed mp3 streams
In-Reply-To: <efe4cbcd0510040742t348a3839i1e55680ab4504d47@mail.gmail.com>
References: <efe4cbcd0510040742t348a3839i1e55680ab4504d47@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3c1737210510040753w5764a874l328850dcbf0c085d@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/4/05, Matthew Schmidt <matthew.schmidt at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Folks,
>
>  I've been experiencing odd behavior lately. When I start a stream it
> sometimes begins to stream at double the speed of what I'm sending it.
> Stopping and restarting the stream usually solves the problem, but not
> always. Stopping and restarting the server doesn't have any effect.

This is probably a client problem; it's possibly connecting at an
'unlucky' point, and getting false sync, picking the wrong sample
rate, and doing playback from then on at the wrong rate.

Good mp3 decoders/players look for multiple consecutive sync words at
appropriate points before deciding they've actually found sync and
fixing on those settings, this reduces the chances of this happening
to essentially zero.

Mike


From henri.zikken at deltasolutions.nl  Wed Oct  5 15:02:04 2005
From: henri.zikken at deltasolutions.nl (Henri Zikken)
Date: Wed, 05 Oct 2005 17:02:04 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] icecast2 mountpoints maximum
Message-ID: <4343EAEC.8030502@deltasolutions.nl>

We are using icecast as stream-relay for a true narrowcast solution 
we've developed. The idea behind the system is that each individual 
client gets it's own mountpoint.

Basically we have an application that creates streams. Its written in 
c++ and uses libshout to handle connecting to icecast.

Everything works fine, as long as we keep the number of mountpoints 
below 347. As soon as we try to create more mountpoints, it stops, as 
in, it never returns a mountpoint.

in our application, we create a new mountpoint by doing:

shout = shout_new()

this never returns after the 347th stream, so our application waits 
indefinatly for icecast to return a mountpoint.

Our icecast2.xml reads as follows:
<icecast>
    <limits>
        <clients>3000</clients>
        <sources>3000</sources>
        <threadpool>30</threadpool>
        <queue-size>102400</queue-size>
        <client-timeout>300</client-timeout>
        <header-timeout>300</header-timeout>
        <source-timeout>300</source-timeout>
        <burst-on-connect>1</burst-on-connect>
        <burst-size>12800</burst-size>
    </limits>
    <authentication>
        <source-password>hackme</source-password>
        <relay-password>hackme</relay-password>
        <admin-user>admin</admin-user>
        <admin-password>do_not_hackme</admin-password>
    </authentication>
    <hostname>localhost</hostname>
        <listen-socket>
        <port>8000</port>
    </listen-socket>
    <paths>
        <basedir>/usr/share/icecast2</basedir>
        <logdir>/var/log/icecast2</logdir>
        <webroot>/usr/share/icecast2/web</webroot>
        <adminroot>/usr/share/icecast2/admin</adminroot>
        <alias source="/" dest="/status.xsl"/>
    </paths>
    <logging>
        <accesslog>access.log</accesslog>
        <errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
          <loglevel>4</loglevel> <!-- 4 Debug, 3 Info, 2 Warn, 1 Error -->
    </logging>
    <security>
        <chroot>0</chroot>
    </security>
</icecast>

The icecast version is: 2.2.0

The last part of the (error.log) logfile reads:
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node 
source_total_connections (346)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node 
listeners (0)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node 
server_name ("10308")
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node 
connections (347)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node 
source_client_connections (347)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/process_source_event new source stat 
/10309
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node public (0)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node 
listenurl (http://localhost:8000/10309)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node sources 
(347)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node 
source_total_connections (347)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node 
listeners (0)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node 
server_name ("10309")
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node 
connections (348)


Is this a hard-coded limit of sources, or are we doing something wrong?

Regards,

Henri Zikken




From petre at kgb.ro  Wed Oct  5 17:29:12 2005
From: petre at kgb.ro (Petre Bandac)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:29:12 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] reencoding experience
Message-ID: <20051005202912.1fd97a6d@localhost>

hello

anyone of you who has used the reencoding option of ices to bring the
stream at a constant bitrate would be kind to share the experience (the
impact on resources and, quoting the README file -
"...mpglib part of lame (what does the decoding) is rather unstable and
will call exit(0) when errors are encountered." - and stability of the
stream).

thanks,

petre

-- 

Petre Bandac
-
petre at kgb.ro


From hostmaster at xenterra.net  Wed Oct  5 17:43:27 2005
From: hostmaster at xenterra.net (Robert Muchnick)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:43:27 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Icecast] reencoding experience
In-Reply-To: <20051005202912.1fd97a6d@localhost>
References: <20051005202912.1fd97a6d@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0510051131300.7095@ns1.xenterra.net>

On a Linux server (2.4.29) with 3.0GHz PIV and 1GB memory, ices 0.4 
sending to icecast 2.2 on the same machine without re-encoding will
not even touch the 1 minute load average in the normal kbps/KHz range. 
With re-encoding, however, the 1 minute load average varies between 0.7 
and less than 2.5, which could impact server performance with high 
listener counts.

The files I was testing were not of the highest quality (although they 
were checked and repaired with mp3check) but never caused an ices failure 
even though mp3check couldn't repair truncated files with bytes missing in 
the last frame.

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Petre Bandac wrote:

> hello
>
> anyone of you who has used the reencoding option of ices to bring the
> stream at a constant bitrate would be kind to share the experience (the
> impact on resources and, quoting the README file -
> "...mpglib part of lame (what does the decoding) is rather unstable and
> will call exit(0) when errors are encountered." - and stability of the
> stream).


Robert Muchnick
Xenterra.net
720-276-7917


From petre at kgb.ro  Wed Oct  5 17:47:01 2005
From: petre at kgb.ro (Petre Bandac)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 20:47:01 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] reencoding experience
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0510051131300.7095@ns1.xenterra.net>
References: <20051005202912.1fd97a6d@localhost>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0510051131300.7095@ns1.xenterra.net>
Message-ID: <20051005204701.6cc7702d@localhost>

another solution would be to reencode mp3 files at the wanted bitrate
first, and then serve them via ices to icecast ;)

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:43:27 -0600 (MDT) Anno Domini, the honourable
Robert Muchnick wrote using one of his keyboards:

> On a Linux server (2.4.29) with 3.0GHz PIV and 1GB memory, ices 0.4 
> sending to icecast 2.2 on the same machine without re-encoding will
> not even touch the 1 minute load average in the normal kbps/KHz
> range. With re-encoding, however, the 1 minute load average varies
> between 0.7 and less than 2.5, which could impact server performance
> with high listener counts.
> 
> The files I was testing were not of the highest quality (although
> they were checked and repaired with mp3check) but never caused an
> ices failure even though mp3check couldn't repair truncated files
> with bytes missing in the last frame.
> 
> On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Petre Bandac wrote:
> 
> > hello
> >
> > anyone of you who has used the reencoding option of ices to bring
> > the stream at a constant bitrate would be kind to share the
> > experience (the impact on resources and, quoting the README file -
> > "...mpglib part of lame (what does the decoding) is rather unstable
> > and will call exit(0) when errors are encountered." - and stability
> > of the stream).
> 
> 
> Robert Muchnick
> Xenterra.net
> 720-276-7917
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast


-- 

Petre Bandac
-
petre at kgb.ro


From hostmaster at xenterra.net  Wed Oct  5 17:52:11 2005
From: hostmaster at xenterra.net (Robert Muchnick)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 11:52:11 -0600 (MDT)
Subject: [Icecast] reencoding experience
In-Reply-To: <20051005204701.6cc7702d@localhost>
References: <20051005202912.1fd97a6d@localhost>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0510051131300.7095@ns1.xenterra.net>
	<20051005204701.6cc7702d@localhost>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0510051149570.7095@ns1.xenterra.net>

On Wed, 5 Oct 2005, Petre Bandac wrote:

> another solution would be to reencode mp3 files at the wanted bitrate
> first, and then serve them via ices to icecast ;)

That was, in fact, our solution. FFMPEG to the rescue. :-) Re-encoding 
just once really does keep the overhead down.

Robert Muchnick
Xenterra.net
720-276-7917


From henri.zikken at deltasolutions.nl  Wed Oct  5 19:24:59 2005
From: henri.zikken at deltasolutions.nl (Henri Zikken)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:24:59 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] icecast2 mountpoints maximum
In-Reply-To: <4343EAEC.8030502@deltasolutions.nl>
Message-ID: <000501c5c9e2$7a136350$b301a8c0@henris>

A small update from my side.. i have updated both icecast and libshout to
the nightly snapshot versions of icecast.org. Also, in the configfile i have
raised the threadpool to 500 and all timeouts to 3000.

This did help a bit. Right now i can get it up to 1020 inputstreams, however
then it just stops accepting new connections.

Is there a theoretical maximum to the number of mountpoints icecast can
handle?



-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] Namens Henri
Zikken
Verzonden: woensdag 5 oktober 2005 17:02
Aan: icecast at xiph.org
Onderwerp: [Icecast] icecast2 mountpoints maximum


We are using icecast as stream-relay for a true narrowcast solution 
we've developed. The idea behind the system is that each individual 
client gets it's own mountpoint.

Basically we have an application that creates streams. Its written in 
c++ and uses libshout to handle connecting to icecast.

Everything works fine, as long as we keep the number of mountpoints 
below 347. As soon as we try to create more mountpoints, it stops, as 
in, it never returns a mountpoint.

in our application, we create a new mountpoint by doing:

shout = shout_new()

this never returns after the 347th stream, so our application waits 
indefinatly for icecast to return a mountpoint.

Our icecast2.xml reads as follows:
<icecast>
    <limits>
        <clients>3000</clients>
        <sources>3000</sources>
        <threadpool>30</threadpool>
        <queue-size>102400</queue-size>
        <client-timeout>300</client-timeout>
        <header-timeout>300</header-timeout>
        <source-timeout>300</source-timeout>
        <burst-on-connect>1</burst-on-connect>
        <burst-size>12800</burst-size>
    </limits>
    <authentication>
        <source-password>hackme</source-password>
        <relay-password>hackme</relay-password>
        <admin-user>admin</admin-user>
        <admin-password>do_not_hackme</admin-password>
    </authentication>
    <hostname>localhost</hostname>
        <listen-socket>
        <port>8000</port>
    </listen-socket>
    <paths>
        <basedir>/usr/share/icecast2</basedir>
        <logdir>/var/log/icecast2</logdir>
        <webroot>/usr/share/icecast2/web</webroot>
        <adminroot>/usr/share/icecast2/admin</adminroot>
        <alias source="/" dest="/status.xsl"/>
    </paths>
    <logging>
        <accesslog>access.log</accesslog>
        <errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
          <loglevel>4</loglevel> <!-- 4 Debug, 3 Info, 2 Warn, 1 Error -->
    </logging>
    <security>
        <chroot>0</chroot>
    </security>
</icecast>

The icecast version is: 2.2.0

The last part of the (error.log) logfile reads:
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node 
source_total_connections (346)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node 
listeners (0)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node 
server_name ("10308")
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node 
connections (347)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node 
source_client_connections (347)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/process_source_event new source stat 
/10309
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node public (0)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node 
listenurl (http://localhost:8000/10309)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node sources 
(347)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node 
source_total_connections (347)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node 
listeners (0)
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node 
server_name ("10309")
[2005-10-05  16:59:23] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node 
connections (348)


Is this a hard-coded limit of sources, or are we doing something wrong?

Regards,

Henri Zikken


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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Oct  5 19:30:40 2005
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 21:30:40 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] icecast2 mountpoints maximum
In-Reply-To: <000501c5c9e2$7a136350$b301a8c0@henris>
References: <4343EAEC.8030502@deltasolutions.nl>
	<000501c5c9e2$7a136350$b301a8c0@henris>
Message-ID: <3c1737210510051230p494ca265t94e8159bec4c7df4@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/5/05, Henri Zikken <henri.zikken at deltasolutions.nl> wrote:
> A small update from my side.. i have updated both icecast and libshout to
> the nightly snapshot versions of icecast.org. Also, in the configfile i have
> raised the threadpool to 500 and all timeouts to 3000.
>
> This did help a bit. Right now i can get it up to 1020 inputstreams, however
> then it just stops accepting new connections.
>
> Is there a theoretical maximum to the number of mountpoints icecast can
> handle?

Using icecast 2.3 may help, using the development version will not
(right now, I don't think it contains anything significant that isn't
in 2.3 - when it does, it probably won't be stable).

As for limits: yes, but it'll be highly platform specific, and is not
a limit in icecast itself. You'll probably first hit either a limit on
the number of threads permitted (one per source, plus a few for the
rest of icecast), or the limit on open file descriptors (one per
source, plus one per client, plus a few for the rest of icecast)

Also, icecast will be horribly inefficient for this, it's really
totally the wrong tool. Why not just make your application stream
directly to the single client that's listening to that stream?

Anyway, I can't say what limit you might have hit, or whether it's a
limit that's increasable, or how to increase it, since you didn't say
what platform you were running on. We can't guess things like that.

Mike


From jack at xiph.org  Wed Oct  5 19:32:58 2005
From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 13:32:58 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] icecast2 mountpoints maximum
In-Reply-To: <000501c5c9e2$7a136350$b301a8c0@henris>
References: <4343EAEC.8030502@deltasolutions.nl>
	<000501c5c9e2$7a136350$b301a8c0@henris>
Message-ID: <20051005193258.GD2934@i.cantcode.com>

> A small update from my side.. i have updated both icecast and libshout to
> the nightly snapshot versions of icecast.org. Also, in the configfile i have
> raised the threadpool to 500 and all timeouts to 3000.
> 
> This did help a bit. Right now i can get it up to 1020 inputstreams, however
> then it just stops accepting new connections.
> 
> Is there a theoretical maximum to the number of mountpoints icecast can
> handle?

No, but most Unix-like operating systems impose a 1024 file descriptor
limit by default for any user.  Considering that you have stdin, stdout,
and stderr + 1020, that's probably what you're seeing.  Read up on how
to extend your operating system limits via ulimit or some other similar
command.

jack.


From gsm_color at yahoo.com  Thu Oct  6 06:19:32 2005
From: gsm_color at yahoo.com (Kane Wilson)
Date: Wed, 5 Oct 2005 23:19:32 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [Icecast] user authentication 
Message-ID: <20051006061932.7240.qmail@web33412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hi ,
 
Could you please tell me the icecast having any possibility , to do user authentication with user MSISDN ??
 
and
 
at the moment doest it support for video streaming , like real , mpeg , avi .etc. with RTSP protocol ??
 
Thanx in advance,
Kane.
 

		
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From eliteinfantry at msn.com  Thu Oct  6 06:21:26 2005
From: eliteinfantry at msn.com (Daniel Borders)
Date: Thu, 06 Oct 2005 01:21:26 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] web page icecast client signal detection
Message-ID: <BAY104-F653A00D05F13C36B50B58A5850@phx.gbl>

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From adnusielog4 at rmsud.esercito.difesa.it  Thu Oct  6 07:03:48 2005
From: adnusielog4 at rmsud.esercito.difesa.it (Luigi Palmiero)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 09:03:48 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] web page icecast client signal detection
References: <BAY104-F653A00D05F13C36B50B58A5850@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <002401c5ca44$1db64ac0$efc6170a@pcpalmiero>

I use this method, using a PHP page:

<?php

$source = `netstat -na | grep -E "8000.*EST" | grep 10.23.198.14 | wc -l | tr -d [:blank:]`;

# WITH PORT = 8000 AND IP = 10.23.198.14

if ($source == 0) {

echo "<img src='img/offair.gif' alt='Off Air'>";

} else {

echo "<img src='img/onair.gif' alt='On Air'>";

}

?>

Thanks

Luigi











  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Daniel Borders 
  To: icecast at xiph.org 
  Sent: Thursday, October 06, 2005 8:21 AM
  Subject: [Icecast] web page icecast client signal detection


  The subject is a little convoluted, so I'll explain. I'm nearly finished with an icecast web page and we need to go live soon, but part of the page design involves displaying different graphics when there is an .ogg signal detected and when there isn't. I.e. when there is a signal, an "on air" image appears and when there isn't a signal an "off air" image appears. I've looked everywhere I could think to but have been unable to find the signal-detection code that could be used to make this happen. Does anyone have an idea of what I could do?






  -Daniel "TheBuilder" Borders 



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From msmith at xiph.org  Thu Oct  6 08:59:59 2005
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 10:59:59 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] user authentication
In-Reply-To: <20051006061932.7240.qmail@web33412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20051006061932.7240.qmail@web33412.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3c1737210510060159i13152500t9209f9ca9e1c2a3d@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/6/05, Kane Wilson <gsm_color at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi ,
>
> Could you please tell me the icecast having any possibility , to do user
> authentication with user MSISDN ??

Is this a publically documented and (legally) freely implemented
authentication protocol? If the answer to both these questions is yes,
then it could be implemented, in theory. If either is no, then it
absolutely cannot and will not be. It's certainly not currently
implemented.

>
> and
>
> at the moment doest it support for video streaming , like real , mpeg , avi
> .etc. with RTSP protocol ??

It supports video streaming of theora.

It does not implement RTSP. You should have read the documentation,
which answers all of your questions.

Mike


From msmith at xiph.org  Thu Oct  6 09:02:49 2005
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 Oct 2005 11:02:49 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] web page icecast client signal detection
In-Reply-To: <BAY104-F653A00D05F13C36B50B58A5850@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY104-F653A00D05F13C36B50B58A5850@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <3c1737210510060202w24c2e366m123c4634a86de9a9@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/6/05, Daniel Borders <eliteinfantry at msn.com> wrote:
>
>
> The subject is a little convoluted, so I'll explain. I'm nearly finished
> with an icecast web page and we need to go live soon, but part of the page
> design involves displaying different graphics when there is an .ogg signal
> detected and when there isn't. I.e. when there is a signal, an "on air"
> image appears and when there isn't a signal an "off air" image appears. I've
> looked everywhere I could think to but have been unable to find the
> signal-detection code that could be used to make this happen. Does anyone
> have an idea of what I could do?

To do this, you should pull the stats.xml file from the icecast
server, and parse it. It's easy to parse.

Mike


From ronblok at wxs.nl  Fri Oct  7 00:14:33 2005
From: ronblok at wxs.nl (Ron Blok)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 02:14:33 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Start of icecast at boot
Message-ID: <HEEEKMFOKCBDNFDLFLICEEANDAAA.ronblok@wxs.nl>

A quick question ....

Is there a way to start the icecast server at boot time ?
How can I accomplish that?

Thanks in advance,

RoN
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From kristox at ut.ee  Fri Oct  7 01:29:49 2005
From: kristox at ut.ee (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Kristo_K=E4=E4rmann?=)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 04:29:49 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] recipe for streaming soundcard output
Message-ID: <4345CF8D.5080409@ut.ee>

Hi all,

I set up icecast and ices today hoping to stream off any sound activity 
that i create on my laptop. It went fine, until i discovered that my 
soundcard only allows to capture mic and cd as input (but not pcm 
output). Streaming the mic input worked fine, but how can I get the pcm 
output?

Are there workarounds for this? I digged into alsa and Jack manuals, but 
couldn't really work it out.

thanks in advance,
Kristo.


From iceuse at bzhtec.com  Fri Oct  7 07:43:55 2005
From: iceuse at bzhtec.com (Iceuse - Kris)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 09:43:55 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Start of icecast at boot
In-Reply-To: <HEEEKMFOKCBDNFDLFLICEEANDAAA.ronblok@wxs.nl>
References: <HEEEKMFOKCBDNFDLFLICEEANDAAA.ronblok@wxs.nl>
Message-ID: <4346273B.3060205@bzhtec.com>

Hi,
easy task...

you must have a script which does :
- start icecast when first script parameter is start
- stop icecast when first script parameter is stop (killall icecast)

if this script is
/etc/init.d/icecast.ksh

then do

update-rc.d icecast.ksh defaults

this will create all the necessary stuff in /etc/rc?.d to start/stop 
icecast at boot time/shutdown time.

Regards,
Chris

Ron Blok wrote:

>A quick question ....
>
>Is there a way to start the icecast server at boot time ?
>How can I accomplish that?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>RoN
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>



From ronblok at wxs.nl  Fri Oct  7 11:46:38 2005
From: ronblok at wxs.nl (Ron Blok)
Date: Fri, 07 Oct 2005 13:46:38 +0200
Subject: **SPAM** Re: [Icecast] Start of icecast at boot
In-Reply-To: <4346273B.3060205@bzhtec.com>
Message-ID: <HEEEKMFOKCBDNFDLFLICMEAPDAAA.ronblok@wxs.nl>

Kris,

Thanks!!

RoN

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Sent: vrijdag 7 oktober 2005 9:44
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: **SPAM** Re: [Icecast] Start of icecast at boot


Hi,
easy task...

you must have a script which does :
- start icecast when first script parameter is start
- stop icecast when first script parameter is stop (killall
icecast)

if this script is
/etc/init.d/icecast.ksh

then do

update-rc.d icecast.ksh defaults

this will create all the necessary stuff in /etc/rc?.d to
start/stop
icecast at boot time/shutdown time.

Regards,
Chris

Ron Blok wrote:

>A quick question ....
>
>Is there a way to start the icecast server at boot time ?
>How can I accomplish that?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>RoN
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From r.meechan at wgltd.com  Sun Oct  9 16:00:27 2005
From: r.meechan at wgltd.com (Ricardo Meechan)
Date: Sun, 9 Oct 2005 17:00:27 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] MSN Spaces ;-)
Message-ID: <4B9A6084080C8247840154B0759B3FE77DF076@server03.wilsonandgarden.com>

I know I know,
Its nothing *really* icecast specific but I thought I would share it
anyhooz,

You can add a windows media player applet to your spaces profile but it
must be WMA, WMV, WAV, AVI, MPG, MPEG, MP3.
You cant add a stream (http://ice2.djrm.net:8000/stream) so I created an
alias called test.mp3 that fallsback to /stream and all is well!
Now when someone views my page (with wmp installed and IE) they will get
music streaming from my icecast server.

Fallback and relays on-demand are my top features of icecast! Well done
guys for making such a great streaming server!

http://spaces.msn.com/members/djrm/


That is all.
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From bjacint at kvark.hu  Mon Oct 10 06:35:39 2005
From: bjacint at kvark.hu (Balint Jacint)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 08:35:39 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] disable ID3 update
Message-ID: <434A0BBB.70705@kvark.hu>

Hi,

I'm running Aaron's tunequeue scripts for my radio site. (tunequeue.sf.net)
I have ices2 to read Ogg Vorbis files and feed the icecast2 server with 
those files.
Could someone please tell me how can I disable ID3 updating? I want all 
clients to only show the name of the radio, but don't get any of the ID 
tag information stored in the Ogg files.
Where can I set that?
Sorry for disturbing you with this question, but the system is used by 
many listeners, I can't test it out for myself, and I didn't find this 
in the documentation.

Thanks in advance.

Yours,
Jacint



From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Oct 10 09:10:21 2005
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:10:21 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] disable ID3 update
In-Reply-To: <434A0BBB.70705@kvark.hu>
References: <434A0BBB.70705@kvark.hu>
Message-ID: <3c1737210510100210n231fbbc5o30be8048c787b9d2@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/10/05, Balint Jacint <bjacint at kvark.hu> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm running Aaron's tunequeue scripts for my radio site. (tunequeue.sf.net)
> I have ices2 to read Ogg Vorbis files and feed the icecast2 server with
> those files.
> Could someone please tell me how can I disable ID3 updating? I want all
> clients to only show the name of the radio, but don't get any of the ID
> tag information stored in the Ogg files.

ID3 isn't used by either ices2 or icecast2.

The vorbis tag data is an integral part of the file, so ices2 will
send it to icecast, if present. If you want to strip it out, you'll
need to modify the source files to remove it.

Mike


From bjacint at kvark.hu  Mon Oct 10 09:24:48 2005
From: bjacint at kvark.hu (Balint Jacint)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:24:48 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] disable ID3 update
In-Reply-To: <3c1737210510100210n231fbbc5o30be8048c787b9d2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <434A0BBB.70705@kvark.hu>
	<3c1737210510100210n231fbbc5o30be8048c787b9d2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <434A3360.6060002@kvark.hu>

I knew it wasn't ID3, I just didn't know the name for it. This way you 
knew what I meant. :)
Thanks for the reply. Then I'll modify my Ogg files.

I have jlGui Java player embedded into my web page, and it keeps 
reconnecting every time a song has ended. Unfortunately by reconnecting 
it looses the first 1-2 seconds of the songs. According to what you've 
said there's no way to make ices2 or icecast2 create a non-file-based 
stream. (That is: the player wouldn't know when a file ends and another 
starts, and so it wouldn't reconnect.) Am I right?
No other players procude this error, but jlGui is the best ogg player I 
found to integrate into the webpage.

Yours,
Jacint

Michael Smith wrote:

>ID3 isn't used by either ices2 or icecast2.
>
>The vorbis tag data is an integral part of the file, so ices2 will
>send it to icecast, if present. If you want to strip it out, you'll
>need to modify the source files to remove it.
>
>Mike
>
>  
>



From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Oct 10 09:33:24 2005
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:33:24 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] disable ID3 update
In-Reply-To: <434A3360.6060002@kvark.hu>
References: <434A0BBB.70705@kvark.hu>
	<3c1737210510100210n231fbbc5o30be8048c787b9d2@mail.gmail.com>
	<434A3360.6060002@kvark.hu>
Message-ID: <3c1737210510100233g3342dfcelb0c44b2d03117074@mail.gmail.com>

> I have jlGui Java player embedded into my web page, and it keeps
> reconnecting every time a song has ended. Unfortunately by reconnecting
> it looses the first 1-2 seconds of the songs. According to what you've
> said there's no way to make ices2 or icecast2 create a non-file-based
> stream. (That is: the player wouldn't know when a file ends and another
> starts, and so it wouldn't reconnect.) Am I right?

IceS2 can certainly do streaming not based on files. See, for example,
the ices-oss.xml or ices-alsa.xml example configurations.

Mike


From bjacint at kvark.hu  Mon Oct 10 09:36:50 2005
From: bjacint at kvark.hu (Balint Jacint)
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 11:36:50 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] disable ID3 update
In-Reply-To: <3c1737210510100233g3342dfcelb0c44b2d03117074@mail.gmail.com>
References: <434A0BBB.70705@kvark.hu>	
	<3c1737210510100210n231fbbc5o30be8048c787b9d2@mail.gmail.com>	
	<434A3360.6060002@kvark.hu>
	<3c1737210510100233g3342dfcelb0c44b2d03117074@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <434A3632.1010605@kvark.hu>

I have the music in ogg files...
Thank you so much for your answers. Now I see more clearly.
Have a nice day!

Yours,
Jacint

Michael Smith wrote:

>IceS2 can certainly do streaming not based on files. See, for example,
>the ices-oss.xml or ices-alsa.xml example configurations.
>
>Mike
>



From Jason at Weatherserver.net  Mon Oct 10 22:37:05 2005
From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason (WeatherServer))
Date: Mon, 10 Oct 2005 18:37:05 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] NSV Problems
Message-ID: <000901c5cdeb$23f4c6a0$1400000a@workstation>

For some reason using the 2.3.0 Version I can no longer stream Nullsoft Video.

I have the correct tags in the config file but for some reason the server will not accept the connection from the encoder.

I started up shoutcast DSP and it streams fine so I know it's not the encoder itself.

Anyone else seeing this or can tell me how to fix it?
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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Oct 10 22:42:21 2005
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 00:42:21 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] NSV Problems
In-Reply-To: <000901c5cdeb$23f4c6a0$1400000a@workstation>
References: <000901c5cdeb$23f4c6a0$1400000a@workstation>
Message-ID: <3c1737210510101542x7005798dy3ec64f70c1dc225b@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/11/05, Jason (WeatherServer) <Jason at weatherserver.net> wrote:
>
> For some reason using the 2.3.0 Version I can no longer stream Nullsoft
> Video.
>
> I have the correct tags in the config file but for some reason the server
> will not accept the connection from the encoder.
>
> I started up shoutcast DSP and it streams fine so I know it's not the
> encoder itself.
>
> Anyone else seeing this or can tell me how to fix it?

I believe this is a bug in the shoutcast NSV source client.

There was a workaround for it in earlier versions which got lost in
the 2.3 development cycle; it's been reinstated since.

You can expect to see this in a 2.3.1 release sometime soon. In the
meantime, you could build the current SVN version.

Mike


From henri.zikken at deltasolutions.nl  Tue Oct 11 05:41:12 2005
From: henri.zikken at deltasolutions.nl (Henri Zikken)
Date: Tue, 11 Oct 2005 07:41:12 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] NSV Problems
In-Reply-To: <3c1737210510101542x7005798dy3ec64f70c1dc225b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000201c5ce26$6402a060$b301a8c0@henris>

I got this mail today:

Dear Friend, 

Let me start by introducing myself properly to you. I
am Mr. Michael Smith, I work with the Absa Bank SA as an account officer in
the Treasury/Credit Control Unit. I came to know you in private search for a
reliable and reputable person to handle this confidential transaction, which
involve the transfer of a huge sum of money into a foriegn account requiring
maximum confidence.

[cut rest of spam]

This message was signed by 'Michael Smith', and sent from
ml_smith190 at hotmail.com. I believe this message to be part of a scam to
cheat people out of their money.

I suggest you scan your computers for virusses and malware. 


-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] Namens
Michael Smith
Verzonden: dinsdag 11 oktober 2005 0:42
Aan: Jason at weatherserver.net
CC: icecast
Onderwerp: Re: [Icecast] NSV Problems


On 10/11/05, Jason (WeatherServer) <Jason at weatherserver.net> wrote:
>
> For some reason using the 2.3.0 Version I can no longer stream 
> Nullsoft Video.
>
> I have the correct tags in the config file but for some reason the 
> server will not accept the connection from the encoder.
>
> I started up shoutcast DSP and it streams fine so I know it's not the 
> encoder itself.
>
> Anyone else seeing this or can tell me how to fix it?

I believe this is a bug in the shoutcast NSV source client.

There was a workaround for it in earlier versions which got lost in the 2.3
development cycle; it's been reinstated since.

You can expect to see this in a 2.3.1 release sometime soon. In the
meantime, you could build the current SVN version.

Mike
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From peter at theneb.co.uk  Wed Oct 12 10:49:55 2005
From: peter at theneb.co.uk (peter at theneb.co.uk)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 06:49:55 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] Stress Test by Oddsock
Message-ID: <20051012064955.gst5bbo8ng6go880@www.theneb.co.uk>

Hello all,
I've got a few questions about the recent stress test, I appoligse if any of
these have been asked in the past.
Just a little background info, I am currently in charge of the server side
operation for KUBE Radio (http://www.kuberadio.com), we currently run using
icecast over our University's Intranet and this year the stream should be being
allowed to broadcast over the net.
KUBE have requested me to find out if they need any new equipment server wise
and how much their current server can handle, then I read about the recent
stress test done by Oddsock. :D Very nice indeed.
Current Spec: Amd Duron 1.2Ghz, 256MB Ram.

Anyway what did oddsock use to graph the cpu usage on his server setup? I'm
currently running the same test script and notice it doesn't use the
mountpoints but just gets client connections, is this correct?

Cheers



From andy at milonic.com  Wed Oct 12 12:18:29 2005
From: andy at milonic.com (Andy Woolley)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 13:18:29 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast logging
Message-ID: <0ce701c5cf27$0e094590$1800a8c0@andyh1hrdagniy>

Hi Guys,

My first post here so hello to all :-))

Anyway, my question: Does anybody know if there is a tool out there that can 
process the icecast log files and return a graph of listener numbers over a 
set period?

I'd like to be able to know when our most busiest time was.

Thanks very much in advance,
Andy



From henri.zikken at deltasolutions.nl  Wed Oct 12 12:22:43 2005
From: henri.zikken at deltasolutions.nl (Henri Zikken)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:22:43 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast logging
In-Reply-To: <0ce701c5cf27$0e094590$1800a8c0@andyh1hrdagniy>
References: <0ce701c5cf27$0e094590$1800a8c0@andyh1hrdagniy>
Message-ID: <434D0013.3080503@deltasolutions.nl>

I don't know wether there are tools such as you describe for icecast. 
However, if your machine only or main function is running icecast, and 
if you're running linux on it, you could also just log network traffic. 
There are some extensive network-traffic analyzers out there, including 
ones with HTML output.

Andy Woolley wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> My first post here so hello to all :-))
>
> Anyway, my question: Does anybody know if there is a tool out there 
> that can process the icecast log files and return a graph of listener 
> numbers over a set period?
>
> I'd like to be able to know when our most busiest time was.
>
> Thanks very much in advance,
> Andy
>
> _______________________________________________
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> Icecast at xiph.org
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From bjacint at kvark.hu  Wed Oct 12 12:24:19 2005
From: bjacint at kvark.hu (Balint Jacint)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 14:24:19 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast logging
In-Reply-To: <0ce701c5cf27$0e094590$1800a8c0@andyh1hrdagniy>
References: <0ce701c5cf27$0e094590$1800a8c0@andyh1hrdagniy>
Message-ID: <434D0073.7020508@kvark.hu>

Eg. awstats can do that for you.
The only problem is that the log entry only appears in the log when the 
user disconnects. So you will see when users disconnect, not when 
they're listening.

Yours,
Jacint

Andy Woolley wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> My first post here so hello to all :-))
>
> Anyway, my question: Does anybody know if there is a tool out there 
> that can process the icecast log files and return a graph of listener 
> numbers over a set period?
>
> I'd like to be able to know when our most busiest time was.
>
> Thanks very much in advance,
> Andy
>



From oddsock at oddsock.org  Wed Oct 12 13:45:23 2005
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 08:45:23 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Stress Test by Oddsock
In-Reply-To: <20051012064955.gst5bbo8ng6go880@www.theneb.co.uk>
References: <20051012064955.gst5bbo8ng6go880@www.theneb.co.uk>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051012084254.03210478@www.oddsock.org>

At 05:49 AM 10/12/2005, you wrote:
>Hello all,
>I've got a few questions about the recent stress test, I appoligse if any of
>these have been asked in the past.
>Just a little background info, I am currently in charge of the server side
>operation for KUBE Radio (http://www.kuberadio.com), we currently run using
>icecast over our University's Intranet and this year the stream should be 
>being
>allowed to broadcast over the net.
>KUBE have requested me to find out if they need any new equipment server wise
>and how much their current server can handle, then I read about the recent
>stress test done by Oddsock. :D Very nice indeed.
>Current Spec: Amd Duron 1.2Ghz, 256MB Ram.
>
>Anyway what did oddsock use to graph the cpu usage on his server setup? I'm
>currently running the same test script and notice it doesn't use the
>mountpoints but just gets client connections, is this correct?

what do you mean by "doesn't use the mountpoints" ?

Also, not sure if your question on what I used "to graph the cpu usage" 
meant what I used to gather the stats (I used vmstat) or to actually 
produce the chart (I used JFreechart).

oddsock 



From leo.currie at strath.ac.uk  Wed Oct 12 21:13:13 2005
From: leo.currie at strath.ac.uk (Leo Currie)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 22:13:13 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Variable bitrate and bandwidth usage
Message-ID: <434D7C69.5010709@strath.ac.uk>

Hi -

Suppose I have a Q-1 Vorbis stream being served from a machine on a 
low-bandwidth internet connection. I listen to the stream locally using 
Winamp, which shows the bitrate fluctuating between around 35-55 kbps, 
the average being 48k.

Now suppose I have 10 external listeners connected. How much bandwidth 
will they need/use? Common sense says:
average bitrate * 10 = 480kbps (plus any overheads)

Here's the question:
If I have 10 listeners connected, and the bitrate fluctuates up to 
55kbps, then is the actual bandwidth requirement at that instant 550kbps?
Or are the fluctuations more rapid than I can appreciate from the Winamp 
display?

Or to put it another way, over what period of time is the average 
bitrate calculated, and is this period significant in terms of average 
buffer size?

Also just quickly - could the external authentication mechanism be used 
to reject new connections when bandwidth usage reached some limit?


Thanks

Leo











From k.j.wierenga at home.nl  Wed Oct 12 21:22:43 2005
From: k.j.wierenga at home.nl (Klaas Jan Wierenga)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:22:43 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast logging
In-Reply-To: <434D0073.7020508@kvark.hu>
Message-ID: <IPEHLPFNBAINJOFBPOBKKEEPGEAA.k.j.wierenga@home.nl>


Hi Andy,

I'm sure you will find the streaming version of Webalizer very interesting.
I think it does what you need.
You can find it here: 	http://webalizer.bzhtec.com/

Regards,
KJ

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Onderwerp: Re: [Icecast] Icecast logging


Eg. awstats can do that for you.
The only problem is that the log entry only appears in the log when the
user disconnects. So you will see when users disconnect, not when
they're listening.

Yours,
Jacint

Andy Woolley wrote:

> Hi Guys,
>
> My first post here so hello to all :-))
>
> Anyway, my question: Does anybody know if there is a tool out there
> that can process the icecast log files and return a graph of listener
> numbers over a set period?
>
> I'd like to be able to know when our most busiest time was.
>
> Thanks very much in advance,
> Andy
>

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From karl at xiph.org  Wed Oct 12 22:33:01 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2005 23:33:01 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Variable bitrate and bandwidth usage
In-Reply-To: <434D7C69.5010709@strath.ac.uk>
References: <434D7C69.5010709@strath.ac.uk>
Message-ID: <434D8F1D.2090601@xiph.org>

Leo Currie wrote:
> Hi -
> 
> Suppose I have a Q-1 Vorbis stream being served from a machine on a 
> low-bandwidth internet connection. I listen to the stream locally using 
> Winamp, which shows the bitrate fluctuating between around 35-55 kbps, 
> the average being 48k.
> 
> Now suppose I have 10 external listeners connected. How much bandwidth 
> will they need/use? Common sense says:
> average bitrate * 10 = 480kbps (plus any overheads)

yes

> Here's the question:
> If I have 10 listeners connected, and the bitrate fluctuates up to 
> 55kbps, then is the actual bandwidth requirement at that instant 550kbps?
> Or are the fluctuations more rapid than I can appreciate from the Winamp 
> display?

I think the winamp display is only a 1 second update, vorbis can change 
for more frequently than that.

> Or to put it another way, over what period of time is the average 
> bitrate calculated, and is this period significant in terms of average 
> buffer size?

For display purposes, it's up to the application, ogg123 for instance 
shows changes more rapidly than xmms/winamp. Icecast does allow for a 
little lag which may occur if there is a limit being reached, just as 
long as it's not too bad.

> Also just quickly - could the external authentication mechanism be used 
> to reject new connections when bandwidth usage reached some limit?

URL auth can use whatever it wants to decide on whether a new listener 
can join, it doesn't require to be username/password based.  If a 
bandwidth limit is what you want to be selective on then fine, just note 
that <clients> and <max-listeners> limits still apply.

karl.


From jbebel at ncsu.edu  Thu Oct 13 14:15:32 2005
From: jbebel at ncsu.edu (Joel Ebel)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 10:15:32 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] Playing streams on HP-UX 11i
Message-ID: <434E6C04.1050103@ncsu.edu>

Does anyone know a player to recommend for HP-UX 11i?  I have a listener 
who wants to listen under HP-UX, and having not used it I'm not sure 
what's available.  Is there anything that should already be included in 
HP-UX that would handle ogg or mp3 streams?  If not, is there are a 
player that you know will compile easily so he can listen?  If I had it 
in front of me I'm sure I could figure this out myself, but 
unfortunately I don't have access to HP-UX anywhere.

Thanks,
Joel


From adnusielog4 at rmsud.esercito.difesa.it  Thu Oct 13 10:15:52 2005
From: adnusielog4 at rmsud.esercito.difesa.it (Luigi Palmiero)
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2005 12:15:52 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Client NEOS - Italian translate
Message-ID: <002401c5cfdf$1ab9ad80$efc6170a@pcpalmiero>

Hi all,
I'm searching for an italian translation of NEOS.
Have anyone founded this?
Thanks
Luigi 
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From jlb at twu.net  Fri Oct 14 16:40:11 2005
From: jlb at twu.net (JLB)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 12:40:11 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [Icecast] Playing streams on HP-UX 11i
In-Reply-To: <434E6C04.1050103@ncsu.edu>
References: <434E6C04.1050103@ncsu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.63.0510141240001.13234@twu.net>

I bet xmms can compile easily enough under PH-UX. Err, I mean HP-UX. ;)

On Thu, 13 Oct 2005, Joel Ebel wrote:

> Does anyone know a player to recommend for HP-UX 11i?  I have a listener who 
> wants to listen under HP-UX, and having not used it I'm not sure what's 
> available.  Is there anything that should already be included in HP-UX that 
> would handle ogg or mp3 streams?  If not, is there are a player that you know 
> will compile easily so he can listen?  If I had it in front of me I'm sure I 
> could figure this out myself, but unfortunately I don't have access to HP-UX 
> anywhere.
>
> Thanks,
> Joel
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From msmith at xiph.org  Fri Oct 14 16:58:42 2005
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:58:42 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Client NEOS - Italian translate
In-Reply-To: <002401c5cfdf$1ab9ad80$efc6170a@pcpalmiero>
References: <002401c5cfdf$1ab9ad80$efc6170a@pcpalmiero>
Message-ID: <3c1737210510140958y66699889r901e427f48c1d957@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/13/05, Luigi Palmiero <adnusielog4 at rmsud.esercito.difesa.it> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> I'm searching for an italian translation of NEOS.
> Have anyone founded this?
> Thanks
> Luigi

Luigi,

You forgot to tell us which 'NEOS' you're talking about. I've
personally never heard of anything by that name connected to icecast,
and a quick search didn't turn up anything obvious.

Mike


From francesco.andreozzi at proxime.it  Sat Oct 15 19:41:28 2005
From: francesco.andreozzi at proxime.it (Francesco Andreozzi)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 21:41:28 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Streaming source
Message-ID: <20051015193638.M95775@proxime.it>

Hi I've set up a nice icecast server... works really nice...
i've try to use two different solution as sources
linux + xmms + oddcast3 + jack
and
windows + winamp + oddcast3

evrithing it's good!!!!

but i've a problem/question

I would like to streame two channel... one pops and the other techno music!
but i don't know if it's possible to stream two different source on the same
pc to the icecast server ...

I know icecast can accept more tha one source, i've test and it works

but i don't want to buy a pc for each channel i would like to set up...

i can be possibile to do that???

i've to use two audio card?

thankyou francesco




From jjsh at netcommander.com  Sun Oct 16 02:15:40 2005
From: jjsh at netcommander.com (jjsh)
Date: Sat, 15 Oct 2005 20:15:40 -0600
Subject: [icecast] DMCA and webcasting
Message-ID: <002e01c5d1f7$820c5220$030d8f18@home>

Josh, I found your name at icecast.. I own joshvickery.com. I need to get rid of it.  are you interested?
thanks
justin
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From webmaster1 at irri.net  Mon Oct 17 04:49:43 2005
From: webmaster1 at irri.net (webmaster1)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 00:49:43 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] 2.3.0 crash on FC3
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200510170049.AA49430313@irri.net>

The server I am running 2.3.0 is Fedora Core 3 and every few hours Icecast 
crashes and I have to restart it and I don't know why. I've looked in the 
error logs and I see nothing.

Does anyone have a cron script to check and restart icecast if it dies.
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From peter at theneb.co.uk  Mon Oct 17 09:20:15 2005
From: peter at theneb.co.uk (peter at theneb.co.uk)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 05:20:15 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] WMP Slow Buffering
Message-ID: <20051017052015.d9ro9kft0yw00og4@www.theneb.co.uk>

We are having a problem with clients connecting using Windows Media Player, It
takes a very long time to buffer, or the client can just click Play to have it
work instantly.
It's a strange one, we're using a MP3 stream and I've tried both CBR & ABR in
darkice.


From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Oct 17 09:59:29 2005
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 11:59:29 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] 2.3.0 crash on FC3
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200510170049.AA49430313@irri.net>
References: <WorldClient-F200510170049.AA49430313@irri.net>
Message-ID: <3c1737210510170259g45eec9e4pad2fcedbbb3da231@mail.gmail.com>

On 10/17/05, webmaster1 <webmaster1 at irri.net> wrote:
>
>  The server I am running 2.3.0 is Fedora Core 3 and every few hours Icecast
> crashes and I have to restart it and I don't know why. I've looked in the
> error logs and I see nothing.

That's a really serious problem, then.

Can you try the current SVN version? There were some unusual cases
that could cause crashes that have been fixed.

If it still crashes, can you run it in gdb and get a backtrace when it crashes?

Mike


From Djmartymac at aol.com  Mon Oct 17 12:59:15 2005
From: Djmartymac at aol.com (Djmartymac at aol.com)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 08:59:15 EDT
Subject: [Icecast] traktor
Message-ID: <197.49036549.3084fa23@aol.com>

i am using traktor final scratch dj studio 2.6. i set up ice cast for the  
first time yesterday. I downloaded win amp to listen and check everythin wass  
workin. When i follow the listener url everything conects ok i can read the  
track names and they change as i change them. But there is NO SOUND! can anyone  
help me pls. i have tried everything!
 
thanx
 
marty
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From niki_tasp at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 17 15:13:27 2005
From: niki_tasp at hotmail.com (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCMGwbKEIgGyRCISMbKEI=?=)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:13:27 +0900
Subject: [Icecast] How to non-saved streaming
Message-ID: <BAY103-F672AF9F1A87A1B2E65E6E837E0@phx.gbl>

Dear all, 

Hello, 
This is Junichi Takada from Japan. 

My PC environment is Linux of Devian sarge3.1 . 
And it installed apache2.0, Icecast2.0, and DarwinStreamingServer5.5 
Icecast used port 8000, DSS used port 9000 and 554. 

Now, I attached mp3s link on my web site. 
And when other client PC clicked it's link address, mp3 as meta file 
remains in it's cache. 
About account, Web dir account and StreamingServer account ( Icecast and 
DSS is the same account) are divided. 
And I'm putting the mp3 file on Icecast Server one by one. 
is there how to streaming other protcol. 

Now, most important problem can down load anyone my mp3 files as meta file. 

So, please tell me how to it. 

Best Regard 
J.Takada




From mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr  Mon Oct 17 18:03:44 2005
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:03:44 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] source for Ogg//Theora
Message-ID: <1129572224.2279.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi, 
I got an Icecast server that streams only ogg/vorbis for the moment.
Now, I want to try to stream video.
I saw this:
http://www.oddsock.org/guides/video.php

I dont need on-the-fly encoding, the files (of the playlist) are already
Ogg/Theora, right resolution. I deactivated encoding, but Icecast only
streams the audio part of the video file.
I both have the latest version of ezstream, and icecast.

I think it is an ezstream problem, so would you know another source to
try? 

PS: what ML should I use for discussing about ezstream?

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Mon Oct 17 18:08:16 2005
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:08:16 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] source for Ogg//Theora
In-Reply-To: <1129572224.2279.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1129572224.2279.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051017130715.035ba8c0@www.oddsock.org>

At 01:03 PM 10/17/2005, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
>Hi,
>I got an Icecast server that streams only ogg/vorbis for the moment.
>Now, I want to try to stream video.
>I saw this:
>http://www.oddsock.org/guides/video.php
>
>I dont need on-the-fly encoding, the files (of the playlist) are already
>Ogg/Theora, right resolution. I deactivated encoding, but Icecast only
>streams the audio part of the video file.

sounds like you didn't have theora installed when you built icecast.  Check 
the config.log for your compile, and you'll probably see that theora 
support was disabled.


oddsock 



From mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr  Mon Oct 17 18:35:48 2005
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 20:35:48 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] source for Ogg//Theora + ezstream.
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20051017130715.035ba8c0@www.oddsock.org>
References: <1129572224.2279.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20051017130715.035ba8c0@www.oddsock.org>
Message-ID: <1129574148.2279.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>

> >Icecast only
> >streams the audio part of the video file.
> sounds like you didn't have theora installed when you built icecast.  Check 
> the config.log for your compile, and you'll probably see that theora 
> support was disabled.

In the general section of the ezstream configuration file (before of
<encode> ... </encode>), setting <format> to THEORA makes an error.

Format unknown.
As welll as I dont use encoding, I must specify the format outside of
encode... How should I do it?

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Mon Oct 17 18:36:45 2005
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 13:36:45 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] source for Ogg//Theora + ezstream.
In-Reply-To: <1129574148.2279.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1129572224.2279.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20051017130715.035ba8c0@www.oddsock.org>
	<1129574148.2279.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051017133449.0350acf8@www.oddsock.org>

if you are getting this error, then you have either mistyped THEORA in your 
ezstream config file or you are not using the latest (0.2) version of ezstream.

even if you aren't re-encoding, you still need to tell ezstream what 
content-type to use (via the <format> setting) when connecting to icecast.

oddsock
At 01:35 PM 10/17/2005, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
> > >Icecast only
> > >streams the audio part of the video file.
> > sounds like you didn't have theora installed when you built 
> icecast.  Check
> > the config.log for your compile, and you'll probably see that theora
> > support was disabled.
>
>In the general section of the ezstream configuration file (before of
><encode> ... </encode>), setting <format> to THEORA makes an error.
>
>Format unknown.
>As welll as I dont use encoding, I must specify the format outside of
>encode... How should I do it?
>
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From mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr  Mon Oct 17 21:36:45 2005
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:36:45 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] source for Ogg//Theora
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20051017130715.035ba8c0@www.oddsock.org>
References: <1129572224.2279.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20051017130715.035ba8c0@www.oddsock.org>
Message-ID: <1129585006.2279.57.camel@localhost.localdomain>

> sounds like you didn't have theora installed when you built icecast.

It is built with theora support.
http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/i/icecast2/icecast2_2.3.0-1/changelog.html

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From mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr  Mon Oct 17 21:50:34 2005
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: Mon, 17 Oct 2005 23:50:34 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] source for Ogg//Theora + ezstream.
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20051017133449.0350acf8@www.oddsock.org>
References: <1129572224.2279.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20051017130715.035ba8c0@www.oddsock.org>
	<1129574148.2279.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20051017133449.0350acf8@www.oddsock.org>
Message-ID: <1129585834.2279.64.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 13:36 -0500, oddsock wrote:
> even if you aren't re-encoding, you still need to tell ezstream what 
> content-type to use (via the <format> setting) when connecting to icecast.

The subtype of the stream is told as Vorbis in the icecast stats page.
I provide you the content of my simple ezstream config file.

#################################################################
<ezstream>
    <url>http://taloha.rktmb.org:8000/telegasy.ogg</url>
    <sourcepassword>xxxxxxxxxxxxx</sourcepassword>
    <format>THEORA</format>
    <filename>/home/mihamina/disk2/video/lisitra.m3u</filename>

    <svrinfoname>Rakotomandimby test TV</svrinfoname>
    <svrinfourl>http://www.rktmb.org/</svrinfourl>
    <svrinfogenre>Madagascar Information</svrinfogenre>
    <svrinfodescription>Test phase for the moment, with video
clips</svrinfodescription>
    <svrinfopublic>1</svrinfopublic>

    <reencode>
        <enable>0</enable>
    </reencode>
</ezstream>
##################################################################

######################## Icecast stats page #################
[...]
subtype: Vorbis
[...]
#############################################################

Launching ezstream in the command line interface:

$ ezstream -c /etc/ezstream_1.xml
Connecting to http://taloha.rktmb.org:8000/telegasy.ogg...SUCCESS.
Streaming /home/mihamina/disk2/video/clips/antsa_an'i_kristy_haleloiah.ogg
Opening file
(/home/mihamina/disk2/video/clips/antsa_an'i_kristy_haleloiah.mpeg.ogg)
Input does not appear to be an Ogg Vorbis bitstream. No metadata
support.
Songinfo is (antsa_an'i_kristy_haleloiah.mpeg)

I guess ezstream expect a vorbis file. That may be my problem? No?

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From mhobbs812 at gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 13:08:16 2005
From: mhobbs812 at gmail.com (Michael Hobbs)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 14:08:16 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Legal issues for non-profit radio stations.
Message-ID: <107997eb0510180608q54fb1691j@mail.gmail.com>

Hi All,

Some time ago I emailed this list and mentioned (as well as a couple of
techinical queries) that I was trying to contact the PRS for information on
the copyright licencing requirements of a non-profit on-line radio station,
a few people expressed interest in this and asked I keep them updated. Well
I just sent my third email (transcript below) informing them that I will
assume a further lack of response as permission from them to play whatever.

Reassuringly I found this on their website under the heading of "What
happens if I do not take out a licence?"
If a person is using copyright music and does not apply for a the relevant
MCPS or PRS licence, the Society in most cases will take all reasonable
steps to ensure that the user is fully aware of their legal obligations and
allow them time to obtain a licence before considering legal action, but
this will depend on the circumstances. If, however, that person still
refuses to comply, the Societies will apply for an injunction to prevent
them from using any copyright Alliance repertoire until they take out a
licence.

So basically that reads, to me, that if you don't have a licence and they
find out, they'll merely ask you to get one!

Anyway, keep up all the great work, Cheers,

Mike Hobbs (Biz)

transcript follows:

Hi there,

I am currently in the development stage of setting up an Internet
radio station. I expect it to be ready this month, assuming everything
goes to plan.

Presumably I will need one of your licences to be sure this is legal -
but I will not be hosting adverts on either the radio station or
website as this is a strictly non-profit venture. As I understand, you
generate your revenue based on a percentage of the licensee's
revenue,of which there will be none, where does this leave me in terms
of getting a licence?

I quote from your website
"The MCPS-PRS Alliance Joint Online Licence (JOL) was launched in 2002
and since then over 100 music service providers have signed up to its
terms. Licensees are able to operate a number of business models under
the one licence at a rate of 8% of revenues (discounted from 12% to
help the growth of the legal online music market)"

On another note, most of the records played will not be from major
record labels (i.e. Virgin, EMI) rather small labels such as low-life.
I am happy to support them, how can I be sure my licence fee is
actually going to these labels, or do you only cover a limited number
of record labels?

As this is the third time I am emailing you and I have still not
recieved any reply I will interpret a further lack of response as
permission from the MCPS-PRS to play music freely from my on-line
radio station.
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From pm at nowster.zetnet.co.uk  Tue Oct 18 14:00:04 2005
From: pm at nowster.zetnet.co.uk (Paul Martin)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:00:04 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Legal issues for non-profit radio stations.
In-Reply-To: <107997eb0510180608q54fb1691j@mail.gmail.com>
References: <107997eb0510180608q54fb1691j@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20051018140004.GD14528@thinkpad.nowster.org.uk>

On Tue, Oct 18, 2005 at 02:08:16PM +0100, Michael Hobbs wrote:

> Presumably I will need one of your licences to be sure this is legal -
> but I will not be hosting adverts on either the radio station or
> website as this is a strictly non-profit venture. As I understand, you
> generate your revenue based on a percentage of the licensee's
> revenue,of which there will be none, where does this leave me in terms
> of getting a licence?

I doubt you'll get a "free" licence. Even non-profit restricted service 
licence (RSL) stations have to get PRS licences, and very expensive they 
are too.

An RSL is a short term radio licence issued by OfCOM (was Radio 
Authority) in the UK. They usually get frequencies of 87.7MHz or 
107.9MHz, and are limited to 10W radiated power from a vertically 
polarized omnidirectional aerial. The licence usually lasts a maximum 
of 28 days.

-- 
Paul Martin <pm at zetnet.net> (work)
  <pm at nowster.zetnet.co.uk> (home)


From chiapas at riseup.net  Tue Oct 18 14:07:12 2005
From: chiapas at riseup.net (chip)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 15:07:12 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Icecast] Legal issues for non-profit radio stations.
In-Reply-To: <107997eb0510180608q54fb1691j@mail.gmail.com>
References: <107997eb0510180608q54fb1691j@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4601.chiapas.1129644432.squirrel@mail.riseup.net>

hi

Michael Hobbs wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Some time ago I emailed this list and mentioned (as well as a couple of
> techinical queries) that I was trying to contact the PRS for information
> on the copyright licencing requirements of a non-profit on-line radio
> station, a few people expressed interest in this and asked I keep them
> updated. Well I just sent my third email (transcript below) informing them
> that I will assume a further lack of response as permission from them to
> play whatever.

don't forget PPL - there's more on this here:

http://www.mediauk.com/article/1

you could always contact the Community Media Association who run a free
streaming service for members and who are in some sort of dialogue with
the MCPS-PRS:

http://www.commedia.org.uk/

but at the end of the day if the MCPS-PRS are too overwhelmed to be able
to respond to your emails and letters then it sounds like they hardly have
the resources and will power to enforce the licencing requirements that
are in place.

cheers

chip



From justinabomb at gmail.com  Tue Oct 18 16:54:18 2005
From: justinabomb at gmail.com (Justin Bot)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 09:54:18 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Legal issues for non-profit radio stations.
In-Reply-To: <4601.chiapas.1129644432.squirrel@mail.riseup.net>
References: <107997eb0510180608q54fb1691j@mail.gmail.com>
	<4601.chiapas.1129644432.squirrel@mail.riseup.net>
Message-ID: <798b2d830510180954ue37fff3q7ab026a670732939@mail.gmail.com>

Of course we all know these groups would certainly not appreciate the
audible distrobution of their bread and butter. However, I assume your
scope is only within the U.S. , whereas personaly in Canada. Our laws
governed a right to freedom of information in regards to online
content. More or less, if you find it online it must be public content
(unless that's been changed by now, I haven't heard anything).

Does anyone know if running adds in your streaming media would be a
cause for concern if it was only locally based mom'n pop merchants?

On 10/18/05, chip <chiapas at riseup.net> wrote:
> hi
>
> Michael Hobbs wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > Some time ago I emailed this list and mentioned (as well as a couple of
> > techinical queries) that I was trying to contact the PRS for information
> > on the copyright licencing requirements of a non-profit on-line radio
> > station, a few people expressed interest in this and asked I keep them
> > updated. Well I just sent my third email (transcript below) informing them
> > that I will assume a further lack of response as permission from them to
> > play whatever.
>
> don't forget PPL - there's more on this here:
>
> http://www.mediauk.com/article/1
>
> you could always contact the Community Media Association who run a free
> streaming service for members and who are in some sort of dialogue with
> the MCPS-PRS:
>
> http://www.commedia.org.uk/
>
> but at the end of the day if the MCPS-PRS are too overwhelmed to be able
> to respond to your emails and letters then it sounds like they hardly have
> the resources and will power to enforce the licencing requirements that
> are in place.
>
> cheers
>
> chip
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>


From chiapas at riseup.net  Tue Oct 18 19:47:46 2005
From: chiapas at riseup.net (chip)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 20:47:46 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Icecast] Legal issues for non-profit radio stations.
In-Reply-To: <798b2d830510180954ue37fff3q7ab026a670732939@mail.gmail.com>
References: <107997eb0510180608q54fb1691j@mail.gmail.com>
	<4601.chiapas.1129644432.squirrel@mail.riseup.net>
	<798b2d830510180954ue37fff3q7ab026a670732939@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4199.chiapas.1129664866.squirrel@mail.riseup.net>

hi

Justin Bot wrote:
> Of course we all know these groups would certainly not appreciate the
> audible distrobution of their bread and butter. However, I assume your
> scope is only within the U.S. , whereas personaly in Canada. Our laws
> governed a right to freedom of information in regards to online
> content. More or less, if you find it online it must be public content
> (unless that's been changed by now, I haven't heard anything).

we were are talking about the situation in the UK.

more info about all this here for UK folks:

http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/
http://www.ppluk.com/

the Community Media Association is currently lobbying for a blanket
license agreement for UK webcasters:

http://www.commedia.org.uk/

cheers

chip



From mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr  Tue Oct 18 20:09:05 2005
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:09:05 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] IceS & Ogg/Theora
Message-ID: <1129666146.2279.220.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,
I looked at the changelog of IceS, and saw nothing about sourcing
Ogg/Theora to icecast.
Would you know of it is planned or not?
I use ezstream for te moment but I need the "script feature" of IceS:
the media to play is what a script outputs on STDOUT.
For the moment, ezstream only supports a simple m3u file.
Thank you.

-- 
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de serveurs d?di?s:
http://www.google.fr/search?q=aspo+infogerance+serveur



From mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr  Tue Oct 18 20:10:06 2005
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:10:06 +0200
Subject: [solved] [Icecast] source for Ogg//Theora + ezstream.
In-Reply-To: <1129585834.2279.64.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1129572224.2279.14.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20051017130715.035ba8c0@www.oddsock.org>
	<1129574148.2279.18.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20051017133449.0350acf8@www.oddsock.org>
	<1129585834.2279.64.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <1129666206.2279.222.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Mon, 2005-10-17 at 23:50 +0200, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:

> I guess ezstream expect a vorbis file. That may be my problem? No?

Well, upgrading to Icecast 2.3 solved the problem.

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From ml at imux.net  Tue Oct 18 21:22:37 2005
From: ml at imux.net (ml)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:22:37 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Legal issues for non-profit radio stations.
In-Reply-To: <4199.chiapas.1129664866.squirrel@mail.riseup.net>
References: <107997eb0510180608q54fb1691j@mail.gmail.com>	<4601.chiapas.1129644432.squirrel@mail.riseup.net>	<798b2d830510180954ue37fff3q7ab026a670732939@mail.gmail.com>
	<4199.chiapas.1129664866.squirrel@mail.riseup.net>
Message-ID: <4355679D.1090406@imux.net>

chip wrote:
> hi
> 
> we were are talking about the situation in the UK.
> 
> more info about all this here for UK folks:
> 
> http://www.mcps-prs-alliance.co.uk/
> http://www.ppluk.com/
> 
> the Community Media Association is currently lobbying for a blanket
> license agreement for UK webcasters:
> 
> http://www.commedia.org.uk/
> 
> cheers
> 
> chip

Yeah, I e-mailed them, as I'd like to setup a stream for a charity choir 
I work with.

As far as I can tell normally you need licences for three areas:

1. Owner of the recording (Usually the record label)
2. Performer(s) (whoever sung/played etc)
3. Song writer (whoever wrote the song in the first place)

Well in our situation I made the recordings, the choir sang them, so the 
only bit we need to cover is the song writers, which in some cases 
belongs to the choir too.

I e-mailed (what I think are) the relevant authorities in the UK, and 
the only one that bothered to reply was with a standard boilerplate 
e-mail with the combinded online PRS-MPRC licence application forms on, 
the two we don't flaming need.

So I say sod'em.  If they can't be bothered to respond we're going to do 
it anyway.  We're standing here trying to give them cash and they ignore 
us, what a way to run a business!  I'll have to remember this the next 
time someone from the BPI moans about the "poor artists" that are the 
victims.  They're victims alright... of the lazy useless BPI!

EvilOverlord



From dtrump1 at triadav.com  Tue Oct 18 21:43:32 2005
From: dtrump1 at triadav.com (Dick Trump)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 16:43:32 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Legal issues for non-profit radio stations.
In-Reply-To: <4355679D.1090406@imux.net>
References: <107997eb0510180608q54fb1691j@mail.gmail.com>
	<4601.chiapas.1129644432.squirrel@mail.riseup.net>
	<798b2d830510180954ue37fff3q7ab026a670732939@mail.gmail.com>
	<4199.chiapas.1129664866.squirrel@mail.riseup.net>
	<4355679D.1090406@imux.net>
Message-ID: <804768455.20051018164332@triadav.com>

ml wrote:
> Well in our situation I made the recordings, the choir sang them, so the
> only bit we need to cover is the song writers, which in some cases 
> belongs to the choir too.

This isn't directly pertinent for a couple reasons but I thought it might be worth noting.  I am in the U.S. and my company regularly records choirs for an annual auditioned festival which features about 400 kids.  We are contracted to do the recording (both audio & video) for CD & DVD replication.

We have found that contacting the publisher directly rather than going through a clearing house is the most effective.  In the U.S., the fees for sound recordings only are statutory at a fixed fee.  Videos come under different rules and it is necessary that the fees be negotiated on a case by case basis.

We occasionally have a publisher that fails to respond on a timely basis but we just keep after them.

-- 
Regards
Dick Trump

Triad AV Services
1910 Ingersoll Ave.
Des Moines, IA 50309
515-243-2125
515-243-2055 (fax)
http://www.triadav.com
dtrump1 at triadav.com



From webmaster1 at irri.net  Wed Oct 19 02:58:51 2005
From: webmaster1 at irri.net (webmaster1)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:58:51 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] Best Encoder
Message-ID: <WorldClient-F200510182258.AA58510412@irri.net>

Whats the best Live to server encoder for Linux right now that does MP3.
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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Wed Oct 19 03:44:23 2005
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 22:44:23 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] IceS & Ogg/Theora
In-Reply-To: <1129666146.2279.220.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1129666146.2279.220.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051018224309.01dd4220@www.oddsock.org>

ezstream will read from stdin if you use "stdin" as the <filename> in your 
conf file.

oddsock
At 03:09 PM 10/18/2005, you wrote:
>Hi,
>I looked at the changelog of IceS, and saw nothing about sourcing
>Ogg/Theora to icecast.
>Would you know of it is planned or not?
>I use ezstream for te moment but I need the "script feature" of IceS:
>the media to play is what a script outputs on STDOUT.
>For the moment, ezstream only supports a simple m3u file.
>Thank you.
>
>--
>Administration & Formation ? l'administration
>de serveurs d?di?s:
>http://www.google.fr/search?q=aspo+infogerance+serveur
>
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From mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr  Wed Oct 19 09:44:33 2005
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 11:44:33 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] IceS & Ogg/Theora
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20051018224309.01dd4220@www.oddsock.org>
References: <1129666146.2279.220.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20051018224309.01dd4220@www.oddsock.org>
Message-ID: <1129715073.2279.286.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 22:44 -0500, oddsock wrote:
> ezstream will read from stdin if you use "stdin" as the <filename> in your 
> conf file.

What kind of data does it expect on stdin? just a file name? how will it
trigger/request another filename when the current one is over?

Thank you for your contributions :-)

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Wed Oct 19 13:04:03 2005
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 08:04:03 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] IceS & Ogg/Theora
In-Reply-To: <1129715073.2279.286.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1129666146.2279.220.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20051018224309.01dd4220@www.oddsock.org>
	<1129715073.2279.286.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20051019080254.036dbd90@www.oddsock.org>

I guess I misunderstood what you were looking for.. ezstream reads *raw 
data* from stdin, not filenames.  You configure ezstream with whatever type 
of media you are sending in (Vorbis, Theora, etc)...It certainly wont read 
filenames from stdin.

oddsock
At 04:44 AM 10/19/2005, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
>On Tue, 2005-10-18 at 22:44 -0500, oddsock wrote:
> > ezstream will read from stdin if you use "stdin" as the <filename> in your
> > conf file.
>
>What kind of data does it expect on stdin? just a file name? how will it
>trigger/request another filename when the current one is over?
>
>Thank you for your contributions :-)
>
>--
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>de serveurs d?di?s:
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>
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From mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr  Wed Oct 19 16:41:36 2005
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 18:41:36 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] IceS & Ogg/Theora
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20051019080254.036dbd90@www.oddsock.org>
References: <1129666146.2279.220.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20051018224309.01dd4220@www.oddsock.org>
	<1129715073.2279.286.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20051019080254.036dbd90@www.oddsock.org>
Message-ID: <1129740096.2279.355.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Wed, 2005-10-19 at 08:04 -0500, oddsock wrote:
> I guess I misunderstood what you were looking for.. ezstream reads *raw 
> data* from stdin, not filenames.  You configure ezstream with whatever type 
> of media you are sending in (Vorbis, Theora, etc)...It certainly wont read 
> filenames from stdin.

http://www.oddsock.org/guides/video.php
shows that:

<ezstream>

    <url>http://192.168.6.1:8000/testmount.ogg</url>
    <sourcepassword>hackme</sourcepassword>

    <!-- This is what form your output will take. If you are
         reencoding, this is the format to reencode to, if not
         then you need to make sure all your input files are in this
         format -->
    <format>OGG</format>

    <filename>tracks.m3u</filename>
...

So, <filename> takes a file list...

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From Jason at Weatherserver.net  Thu Oct 20 03:38:01 2005
From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason (WeatherServer))
Date: Wed, 19 Oct 2005 23:38:01 -0400
Subject: [Icecast] status.xsl question
Message-ID: <000701c5d527$ac5946e0$1400000a@workstation>

If I wanted to add the Max clients allowed on the status.xsl page how would I do this?

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Baro: 1012kPa Rising - Vis: 14km - Sky: Clear - Weather:
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From niki_tasp at hotmail.com  Mon Oct 17 15:04:00 2005
From: niki_tasp at hotmail.com (=?iso-2022-jp?B?GyRCMGwbKEIgGyRCISMbKEI=?=)
Date: Tue, 18 Oct 2005 00:04:00 +0900
Subject: [Icecast] How to streaming
Message-ID: <BAY103-F267328AC484AEA688A6C31837E0@phx.gbl>

Dear all, 

Hello, 
This is Junichi Takada from Japan. 

My PC environment is Linux of Devian sarge3.1 . 
And it installed apache2.0, Icecast2.0, and DarwinStreamingServer5.5 
Icecast used port 8000, DSS used port 9000 and 554. 

Now, I attached mp3s link on my web site. 
And when other client PC clicked it's link address, mp3 as meta file 
remains in it's cache. 
About account, Web dir account and StreamingServer account ( Icecast and 
DSS is the same account) are divided. 
And I'm putting the mp3 file on Icecast Server one by one. 
is there how to streaming other protcol. 

Now, most important problem can down load anyone my mp3 files as meta file. 

So, please tell me how to it. 

Best Regard 
J.Takada




From francesco.andreozzi at proxime.it  Fri Oct 21 10:58:52 2005
From: francesco.andreozzi at proxime.it (Francesco Andreozzi)
Date: Fri, 21 Oct 2005 12:58:52 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] streamig software  with scheduler needed
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F267328AC484AEA688A6C31837E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F267328AC484AEA688A6C31837E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <20051021105614.M98596@proxime.it>

Hi all .... i'm using icecast2 on linux, oddcats and jack

I'm searching for a good software to stream to my icecast and manage my mp3
archive

what i need it's just a software with a scheduler, i would like to plan my
trasmission.

Thankyou for all your suggestion.

ciao
Francesco



From dnr at freemail.lt  Sat Oct 22 18:15:36 2005
From: dnr at freemail.lt (dnr)
Date: Sat, 22 Oct 2005 21:15:36 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] authentification problem
Message-ID: <01a401c5d734$998fb350$9f90a8c0@donatas>

hello verybody,

can anybody point me why I cannot se authentification page as shown below:
http://www.icecast.org/docs/icecast-2.3.0/listener_auth1.jpg


my second mount requires htpasswd, and displays login prompt correctly, but I simply cannot configure users.
second mount hyperlink has no red key icon at all...
http://192.168.0.100:8000/auth.xsl shows nothing, only basic icecast attributics...
error and acces logs doesn indicates any problems with authentification...

thanx for suggestions
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From mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr  Sun Oct 23 13:05:01 2005
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: Sun, 23 Oct 2005 15:05:01 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] forcing a source to use low quality
Message-ID: <1130072701.2393.142.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Hi,

On a shared server, we noticed some sources use 256Kbps (or more)
quality at 44100.
We would like to limit them in some way.
How could we? 
Say we want to allow only 22050 sourced stream (and lower), or something
like that...

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From l.kneschke at metaways.de  Mon Oct 24 17:03:03 2005
From: l.kneschke at metaways.de (Lars Kneschke)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:03:03 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Relaying between icecast 2.3 servers
Message-ID: <1130173384.8175.9.camel@felami.hh.metaways.de>

Hello!

I just searched the list, but i can't find a solution.

I have 2 icecast 2.3 server. One should be the master, the other one
should become a slave, to be able to distribute the load.

But the slave server does not learn any mountpoints.

The main problem seem to be, that the the URL
http://streamingserver:8000/admin/streamlist.txt
just returns a empty HTML(<html><body></body></html>) document.

I have read in another document that i need to define the mountpoints. I
tried it, but nothing changed.

Can someone give me a hint, how to get relaying working?

-- 
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Metaways Infosystems GmbH
Pickhuben 4
20457 Hamburg
Germany

eGroupWare Hosting, Development, Support and Training

E-Mail: mailto:l.kneschke at metaways.de
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From karl at xiph.org  Mon Oct 24 18:11:37 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: Mon, 24 Oct 2005 19:11:37 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Relaying between icecast 2.3 servers
In-Reply-To: <1130173384.8175.9.camel@felami.hh.metaways.de>
References: <1130173384.8175.9.camel@felami.hh.metaways.de>
Message-ID: <435D23D9.8030804@xiph.org>

Lars Kneschke wrote:
> Hello!
> 
> I just searched the list, but i can't find a solution.
> 
> I have 2 icecast 2.3 server. One should be the master, the other one
> should become a slave, to be able to distribute the load.
> 
> But the slave server does not learn any mountpoints.
> 
> The main problem seem to be, that the the URL
> http://streamingserver:8000/admin/streamlist.txt
> just returns a empty HTML(<html><body></body></html>) document.
> 
> I have read in another document that i need to define the mountpoints. I
> tried it, but nothing changed.

Check the master xml, you may of missed the <mount> tags or maybe you 
have them but have enabled the hidden flag.

karl.


From wimmer at zcu.cz  Thu Oct 27 20:13:54 2005
From: wimmer at zcu.cz (Milos Wimmer)
Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 22:13:54 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Icecast] on-the-fly streaming in ogg flac?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.64.0510272127450.23384@nike.zcu.cz>


  Hello,

please, I would like to ask, if here is any possibility to encode live 
audio PCM data (on-the-fly) to flac stream and send it to icecast2 
server.
I'm using oggenc/ices for live streaming in ogg vorbis now, but I didn't 
find way how to do on-the-fly streaming in ogg flac.

I tried to use command
"flac --endian=little --channels=2 --bps=16 --sample-rate=48000 
--sign=signed --ogg -f pipe_with_live_pcm -o x.ogg"
and then used to x.ogg file as a input file in ices-kh60 (just for a 
test), but without success.

And I would like to ask, if I could use ices/icecast2 for streaming 
more then 2 audio channels (e.g. 5.1 audio).

  Thank you very much for your help,

  Milos