From slc at publicus.net  Tue Mar  1 01:27:23 2005
From: slc at publicus.net (Steven Clift)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:27:23 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] Optimizing for voice for max users 
Message-ID: <022301c51dfd$d2ba6710$04000100@PUBLICUS2>


Any thoughts about the best settings/options for streaming voice -
meeting and conference recordings - on Icecast2?

We are thinking about serving up MP3 and OGG.

Thanks,
Steven Clift


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From slc at publicus.net  Tue Mar  1 01:30:11 2005
From: slc at publicus.net (Steven Clift)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 19:30:11 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] Ogg/MP3 player applets
Message-ID: <022601c51dfe$3638adb0$04000100@PUBLICUS2>


Any suggestions on open source player applets we should integrate with
our voice-oriented "democracy" service for public meetings?

See:
http://dowire.org/wiki/Democaster

Thanks,
Steve


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From jsimmons at goblin.punk.net  Tue Mar  1 04:32:11 2005
From: jsimmons at goblin.punk.net (Jeff Simmons)
Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:32:11 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] How much CPU horsepower?
Message-ID: <200502282032.11815.jsimmons@goblin.punk.net>

I'm building a server. It will be using icecast and ices2. Sound quality will 
be Q=5, and I'll need to set a max bitrate. It will be running full duplex, 
with both incoming and outgoing streams, using an M-Audio Delta 44 (96 kHz 
sampling rate) sound card.

How much CPU am I going to need?

Thanks in advance for any advice.

-- 
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     Simmons Consulting - Network Engineering, Administration, Security

"You guys, I don't hear any noise. Are you sure you're doing it right?"
	-- My Life With The Thrill Kill Kult


From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Tue Mar  1 05:52:58 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:52:58 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] How much CPU horsepower?
In-Reply-To: <200502282032.11815.jsimmons@goblin.punk.net>
References: <200502282032.11815.jsimmons@goblin.punk.net>
Message-ID: <3c17372105022821522e971091@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 20:32:11 -0800, Jeff Simmons
<jsimmons at goblin.punk.net> wrote:
> I'm building a server. It will be using icecast and ices2. Sound quality will
> be Q=5, and I'll need to set a max bitrate. It will be running full duplex,
> with both incoming and outgoing streams, using an M-Audio Delta 44 (96 kHz
> sampling rate) sound card.

Icecast uses trivial amounts of CPU. Don't worry about that.
The only thing that will require any substantial amount of cpu here is
ices2, for encoding things. How much cpu that will require depends on:
number of separate streams, number of channels, and sampling rate.

You can get a rough estimate of what this will require by using a
vorbis encoder such as oggenc to encode a file with the same
parameters (sample rate, channel count) as you intend your stream to
have.

For a single stream, you won't find the amount of cpu used too bad.

Mike


From xiphmont at xiph.org  Tue Mar  1 21:42:07 2005
From: xiphmont at xiph.org (Monty)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:42:07 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Re: [Vorbis] AACplus
In-Reply-To: <008001c51b2d$85d69cc0$8000a8c0@levis3>
References: <008001c51b2d$85d69cc0$8000a8c0@levis3>
Message-ID: <20050301214207.GA8355@xiph.org>

Others have already chimed in, and I thought I could resist, but I
guess I can't...


> I'm seeing more and more streaming stations using AACplus, with many 
> listeners being amazed at the sound quality.  Most say that a 48kb/s sounds 
> better than a 128kb/s MP3,

That's claiming a bit much.  Even against the original Blade this
would require not paying much attention.  What's true is that the
artifacts sound very different, so if you're listening for mp3-like
high-end problems, you probably won't hear them.

> which would put Ogg Vorbis at around 96kb/s IMO. 

Not really.  64kbps Ogg is still a little better than the 48kbps
AAC+SBR we're talking about.

That's not to say the low bitrate AAC+SBR isn't very good; as a new
codec, it's quite an improvement to classic AAC at low bitrates.  But
many of the press-release claims are (understandibly) pushing the
envelope of what is really believable.

Also, it's absolutely true that at the lowest bitrates (32/48kbps)
AAC+SBR currently has a decent edge over Vorbis low bitrate.  Everyone
is still moving forward and the lead changes back and forth.  The low
bitrate race is pretty much down to new AAC and Ogg these days.  At
low bitrate, AAC is ahead, at mid-bitrate Vorbis is still leading.

> Is there anything that can be done to bring Ogg Vorbis up to this type of 
> quality in the future, or is it about as good as it's ever going to be?

Of course.  Development of these things tends to move forward in
bursts.  I've done little Vorbis research work since 1.0 as there have
been other things to do.  I'll get back to it if only because it's
what I'm best at and audio codec research feels good ;-)

> I would rather use patent free and open codecs, but this type of bitrate 
> saving, particularly for streaming, cannot be ignored, and I'm concerned 
> that this will slow the uptake of Ogg Vorbis and may reverse it's 
> popularity in time.

The bitrate savings isn't as big as you fear and we'll take the lead
back again.  Everyone is improving.  Who would have ever thought back
in '98 that LAME would get as good as it is today?  I'm curiously
surprised that AAC hasn't moved forward farther than it has...  

Monty


From xiphmont at xiph.org  Tue Mar  1 21:51:47 2005
From: xiphmont at xiph.org (Monty)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 16:51:47 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] AACplus
In-Reply-To: <WorldClient-F200502251446.AA46220006@heerema.net>
References: <008001c51b2d$85d69cc0$8000a8c0@levis3>
	<WorldClient-F200502251446.AA46220006@heerema.net>
Message-ID: <20050301215147.GB8355@xiph.org>




On Fri, Feb 25, 2005 at 02:46:22PM +0100, Dennis Heerema wrote:
> Now if that is true, technically it would be possible to use the same 
> technics (SBR and PS) added on Vorbis OGG.

No, because the specific SBR extensions are part of the MPEG patent
pool.  As it is, the current/future direction of Vorbis is to move
away from a pure transform-domain encoding anyway.  SBR would still be
applicable, but some of the same mechanics would be built into the rep
model.

SBR's fundamental basis is 'each octave is closely related to the
octave below it'.  It then implements something akin to an 'exciter'
that represents most of the upper part of the spectrum as a parametric
set of harmonic duplications of the lower octaves.

The basic idea is both sound and one that's been underexploited (upper
octaves are often harmonic duplications of lower octaves).  One can
take advantage of that without using SBR, and that's the direction I'm
going.  But there's more than the harmonic structure here; if strong
tones (the harmonic structure) of the audio is subtracted out, and
you're only looking at the leftover 'noise' in time, the subband
correlation is very strong in time as well.  I don't know if
AAC(classic)'s Temporal Noise Shaping is also exploited by the SBR
extensions in any way, but I certainly plan to exploit that fact in
future Vorbis.

Monty


From xiphmont at xiph.org  Tue Mar  1 22:00:09 2005
From: xiphmont at xiph.org (Monty)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 17:00:09 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Re: [Vorbis] AACplus
In-Reply-To: <001801c51ba9$66bd4470$8000a8c0@levis3>
References: <002501c51b92$e8a94630$254d21d1@computername>
	<001801c51ba9$66bd4470$8000a8c0@levis3>
Message-ID: <20050301220009.GD8355@xiph.org>




On Sat, Feb 26, 2005 at 03:18:03PM +1300, Ross Levis wrote:
> Borphee wrote:
> 
> >I would suggest you try some of the newer versions of Vorbis.  And perhaps 
> >some of the other versions that have been tuned by people other than Xiph.
> >Where as AACPlus (and others) have tuned the lower bitrate settings, 
> >you'll have to experiment yourself with some of this with vorbis.  Such as 
> >the quality settings, whether to resample to 22khz, low pass filters, and 
> >so on.
> 
> I'm using the latest aoTuVb3 tunings and the new -2 quality setting.  At 
> 44100hz, mono, I'm getting 14khz audio frequency and it doesn't sound too 
> bad.  It's the best setting I can find for the fidelity at bitrates around 
> 26-32kb/s.  I've tried 22050 and 32000 samples at slightly higher quality 
> settings, but I prefer the extra treble.

Ahh, Aoyumi has done more good work then!

Monty


From telmnstr at 757.org  Wed Mar  2 03:33:02 2005
From: telmnstr at 757.org (Ethan)
Date: Tue, 1 Mar 2005 22:33:02 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Icecast] xsl, xml, ARRGH!
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58L0.0503012226320.78626@users.757.org>

Hello...

 Coming from an Icecast 1 background, I tend to like the admin
functionality of Icecast1 over Icecast2. Fixing this is but some file
editing away, I supposed.

 I'm trying to simplify the administration screens for myself and
co-sysop.

 In testing, if I copy the listclients.xsl into the web directory, it
works like I would like... almost. I get a listing of every stream on the
server, without the client data filled in.

 I'm assuming this is a permissions issue? The client information isn't
availible without authentication?

 However, with the listclients.xsl file in the admin directory, I get no
output if the mountpoint isn't specified on the command line. Why is the
operation different?

 I looked at the docs on icecast.org and saw some mention of the XML data
availible for basic stats, but really what I'm after is a simple listing
of each stream followed by the hostname of clients / minutes connected.

 Speaking of which, there is an IP doodad for server statistics, what
about a hostname one (if Icecast does reverse lookups?).

 Thanks for any information in advance.






--
                               // Ethan O'Toole
                               // http://users.757.org/~ethan


From oddsock at oddsock.org  Wed Mar  2 03:46:13 2005
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Tue, 01 Mar 2005 21:46:13 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] xsl, xml, ARRGH!
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSF.4.58L0.0503012226320.78626@users.757.org>
References: <Pine.BSF.4.58L0.0503012226320.78626@users.757.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050301213611.0346de40@www.oddsock.org>

At 09:33 PM 3/1/2005, Ethan wrote:
>Hello...
>
>  Coming from an Icecast 1 background, I tend to like the admin
>functionality of Icecast1 over Icecast2. Fixing this is but some file
>editing away, I supposed.
welcome to the 21 century...(joke)

>  I'm trying to simplify the administration screens for myself and
>co-sysop.
>
>  In testing, if I copy the listclients.xsl into the web directory, it
>works like I would like... almost. I get a listing of every stream on the
>server, without the client data filled in.

the xslt transforms in the admin directory do not work outside of the admin 
directory.  It's just the way it works.  Those xslt transforms in the admin 
directory operate on special in memory structures that are not contained in 
the "stats tree".  You can feel free to create your own XSLT transforms, 
but they will all operate ONLY on the main stats xml document (you can see 
this xml doc by visiting http://server:port/admin/stats)

most of the functionality of the admin scripts really don't belong outside 
the "admin context" anyway.  I could possibly see a case for listclients, 
but that is really sensitive information to most every user of icecast, so 
making that possible to view outside of admin context seems like a bad idea 
to me.


>  I'm assuming this is a permissions issue? The client information isn't
>availible without authentication?

that is correct...this information is available only to the admin xslt 
transforms.

>  However, with the listclients.xsl file in the admin directory, I get no
>output if the mountpoint isn't specified on the command line. Why is the
>operation different?

well, I believe the default behavor is to require a mountpoint for this 
xslt transform.  You could modify the transform to iterate through all the 
available mountpoints, but that'd be up to you to write..

>  Speaking of which, there is an IP doodad for server statistics, what
>about a hostname one (if Icecast does reverse lookups?).

not entirely sure what you are referring to, but most statistic scripts 
that process the apache common log format will do that for you (reverse 
lookups)...making icecast do it is really just adding unnecessary 
processing if you ask me...

oddsock 




From renna.bh at katamail.com  Wed Mar  2 16:01:14 2005
From: renna.bh at katamail.com (renna)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 17:01:14 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] behind a router
Message-ID: <200503021701.14907.renna.bh@katamail.com>

i've finally managed to stream in my network with icecast and muse. in the 
iceast.xml config file i had to specify 192.168.2.5 as my bind-address, my ip 
in my internal network (i'm behind a router) and from other computers in this 
network i could hear my streaming. but i would like to stream even out of my 
network. so i redirected port 8000 of the router to my internal ip, tried to 
give to a player http://ipoftherouter:8000/live  but this time it wouldn't 
work. so i tried, in the icecast.xml file, to specify as bind-address the ip 
of the router, but 

icecast at delirium icecast $ icecast -c icecast.xml
Could not create listener socket on port 8000
Server startup failed. Exiting
icecast at delirium icecast $        

and no other program is using this port:

root at delirium root # netstat -anp |grep :8000
root at delirium root #           

what am i missing? 
-- 
Dubitare
Disobbedire
Disertare

----
Renato Budinich
renna.bh at katamail.com


From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Wed Mar  2 16:09:50 2005
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 17:09:50 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] behind a router
In-Reply-To: <200503021701.14907.renna.bh@katamail.com>
References: <200503021701.14907.renna.bh@katamail.com>
Message-ID: <4225E54E.9060500@folkwang-hochschule.de>

renna wrote:
> i've finally managed to stream in my network with icecast and muse. in the 
> iceast.xml config file i had to specify 192.168.2.5 as my bind-address, my ip 
> in my internal network (i'm behind a router) and from other computers in this 
> network i could hear my streaming. but i would like to stream even out of my 
> network. so i redirected port 8000 of the router to my internal ip, tried to 
> give to a player http://ipoftherouter:8000/live  but this time it wouldn't 
> work. so i tried, in the icecast.xml file, to specify as bind-address the ip 
> of the router, but 
> 
> icecast at delirium icecast $ icecast -c icecast.xml
> Could not create listener socket on port 8000
> Server startup failed. Exiting
> icecast at delirium icecast $        

you can only bind to addresses of interfaces that are in the machine itself.

> and no other program is using this port:
> 
> root at delirium root # netstat -anp |grep :8000
> root at delirium root #           
> 
> what am i missing? 

iirc, you have to set the <hostname> to the name of the router to make 
it work. at least this fixed it for me a while ago. that way, your 
internal clients should also use your external name, though.


regards,

j?rn



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Wed Mar  2 18:19:49 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 04:19:49 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Icecast] behind a router
In-Reply-To: <4225E54E.9060500@folkwang-hochschule.de>
References: <200503021701.14907.renna.bh@katamail.com>
	<4225E54E.9060500@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503030415310.17735@data.home>

Hi,

I'd personally only use the bind atribute if you realy need to stop it from 
binding to a specific interface, otherwise you could well come unstuck 
(e.g. can only hear internally but not externally or vice versa).  Not 
specifying a bind atribute should cause it to bind to all interfaces.

And the hostname thing only matters if you use Icecast's generated 
playlists (i.e. http://server:port/mountpoint.m3u) otherwise it doesn't 
make any difference (IIRC).

As a start with your diagnosis, I suggest looking at your logs for when you 
tried to connect from outside.  If you don't see anything at all, then your 
client connection wasn't reaching Icecast at all.

Geoff.


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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Wed Mar  2 20:55:28 2005
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 21:55:28 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] rfc: bring ices-kh60 into mainline asap
Message-ID: <42262840.4010608@folkwang-hochschule.de>

hi everyone!


currently, karl's branch of ices has a number of interesting features 
that the ices release does not:

* jack support (very important for a number of users i know, and 
generally cool in terms of interoperability)

* really nice metadata updates and on-the-fly savefile changes

* runner threads for load distribution on smp boxen

* on-the-fly switching of input sources (useful for recorded material 
during pauses in the live programme)

...

the first time i used ices-kh was about a year ago,  and even then it 
has performed very reliably, for over a week in 24/7 operation.
at the time, it relied on a hacked version of libshout, so it was clear 
that it could not easily be merged into the main ices branch without 
major disturbances.

since libshout-2.1 is out, however, it does not require a modified 
version any longer.

a number of ices users (especially those who do live streaming, myself 
included) have been pestering karl to merge his changes, so that even 
casual users can profit from the improvements.[1]

so far, this has not happened, since some of the changes in the -kh 
branch are fundamental.
to speed up the merging, and since there are no regressions in 
functionality when moving from ices-2.0.1 to ices-kh60, why can't we 
just push ices-kh60 out as ices-2.1rc ?

it has been tested by a number of people, and getting the latest 
improvements from mainline into karl's tree might easier than the other 
way round...
from a release manager's pov, this might be questionable, but given the 
many alternative stream sources, ices is not a critical single point of 
failure in the xiph infrastructure, and changes in ices do not affect 
any other xiph products.

i hope i'm not stepping on anyone's toes, and i'd really like to hear 
what the ices maintainer has to say about this.

all i can say is, there are many people who really need the features in 
-kh, and it would be beneficial if they became as visible and easily 
available as possible.


keep up the great work!


best regards,


j?rn


[1]
as a side note, the whole development process under the xiph umbrella 
can be very hard to follow for outsiders - in addition to the sheer 
volume of the sources, they are also rather scattered over the svn tree. 
the -kh branch is almost invisible on the net, unless you know exactly 
what you are googling for. i don't blame anyone for this, but it is 
another argument for a quick merge.


From renna.bh at katamail.com  Wed Mar  2 22:20:58 2005
From: renna.bh at katamail.com (renna)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 23:20:58 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] behind a router
In-Reply-To: <4225E54E.9060500@folkwang-hochschule.de>
References: <200503021701.14907.renna.bh@katamail.com>
	<4225E54E.9060500@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <200503022320.58944.renna.bh@katamail.com>

first of all i realized i haven't properly understood what <bind-adress> is 
needed for. to "stick" the server to a particular network card? what does 
this exactly mean? do i need it?

i tried assigning to <hostname> both the internal ip of the router 192.168.2.1 
and the ip that's assigned to it by the ISP, and in either case i'm not able 
through xmms to connect to the stream, neither to 
http://192.168.2.1:8000/live nor to http://ipassignedbytheISP:8000/live

on the router i have redirected port 8000 to my ip both for tcp and for udp, 
should i change this?

btw i created a user icecast to start the icecast server and when i start it 
it gives me this error, but still starts up,
icecast at delirium icecast $ icecast -c icecast/icecast.xml
WARNING: Can't change user id unless you are root.

does this have anything to do with my problem?


thanks for the support so far
-- 
Dubitare
Disobbedire
Disertare

----
Renato Budinich
renna.bh at katamail.com


From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Wed Mar  2 22:32:47 2005
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:32:47 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] icecast2yp server problem...
Message-ID: <42263F0F.5070606@folkwang-hochschule.de>

hi oddsock, hi everyone!



i have set up an icecast2yp, took a while to get it to compile, but now 
it works. the only problem is that the hostnames have all dots replaced 
with dashes in the generated playlists

james sheldon has reported this problem here a year ago 
(http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/2004-March/006729.html), but 
nobody responded, so i bring it up again.

i dumped the data my server is sending:

action=add&sn=Ogg%20Vorbis%20test%20stream&genre=Klezmer&cpswd=&desc=\
Some%20classic%20Klezmer%20recordings&url=&listenurl=\
http%3a%2f%2fspunk%2ednsalias%2eorg%3a8000%2ftest%2dvorbis%2eogg&type=\
application%2fogg&stype=Vorbis&b=128&bitrate=128&samplerate=44100&channels=2

as you can see, the url has 0x2e chars, which is '.'

in my database however i find

|  2 |         2 | Ogg Vorbis test stream | 127.0.0.1  | Some classic 
Klezmer recordings | Klezmer |      | 1109789709.513893 |      | 
       | http://spunk-dnsalias-org:8000/test-vorbis-ogg |           2 | 
application/ogg | Vorbis
        | 128     |         0 | 2
       | 44100      |

dashes.



it seems that cgi_unescape_special_chars from libcgi is b0rken:

char input[] = 
"http%3a%2f%2fspunk%2ednsalias%2eorg%3a8000%2ftest%2dvorbis%2eogg";
char *output = cgi_unescape_special_chars(input2);
printf("%s is %s\n", input, output);

gives

http%3a%2f%2fspunk%2ednsalias%2eorg%3a8000%2ftest%2dvorbis%2eogg is 
http://spunk-dnsalias-org:8000/test-vorbis-ogg


it seems there is a url_decode function in icecast2yp, but it seems to 
be unused....



best,

j?rn



From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Wed Mar  2 22:42:14 2005
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 23:42:14 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] behind a router
In-Reply-To: <200503022320.58944.renna.bh@katamail.com>
References: <200503021701.14907.renna.bh@katamail.com>	<4225E54E.9060500@folkwang-hochschule.de>
	<200503022320.58944.renna.bh@katamail.com>
Message-ID: <42264146.6010109@folkwang-hochschule.de>

hi renna!

renna wrote:
> first of all i realized i haven't properly understood what <bind-adress> is 
> needed for. to "stick" the server to a particular network card? what does 
> this exactly mean? do i need it?

when you open a network socket, you can either listen on all the devices 
you have, or on just one. every system has the loopback device 
(127.0.0.1), and for each network card or other interface (ppp modem 
link, usb network etc.) you have other ip addresses.

if you listen to localhost only, no other machines can connect you,

if you're on linux, you can do "netstat -lpn" (as root) to see which 
processes are bound to (i.e. listening on) which interfaces.

> i tried assigning to <hostname> both the internal ip of the router 192.168.2.1 
> and the ip that's assigned to it by the ISP, and in either case i'm not able 
> through xmms to connect to the stream, neither to 
> http://192.168.2.1:8000/live nor to http://ipassignedbytheISP:8000/live

as geoff pointed out, it should work regardless - my answer was wrong.

can you do "telnet http://192.168.2.1:8000/live" and then type "GET /" ?
try both ip addresses.

just to be sure, xmms to http://your-actual-stream-server/live from your 
internal network works, right?

> on the router i have redirected port 8000 to my ip both for tcp and for udp, 
> should i change this?

no, that's ok, although udp will not be used.

> btw i created a user icecast to start the icecast server and when i start it 
> it gives me this error, but still starts up,
> icecast at delirium icecast $ icecast -c icecast/icecast.xml
> WARNING: Can't change user id unless you are root.

well, only root can switch user ids. if you start it e.g. as user 
"renna", it will run with your account's rights.

> does this have anything to do with my problem?

don't think so, as long as icecast starts.



From oddsock at oddsock.org  Thu Mar  3 00:39:59 2005
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:39:59 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] Re: icecast2yp server problem...
In-Reply-To: <42263F0F.5070606@folkwang-hochschule.de>
References: <42263F0F.5070606@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050302183844.03447850@www.oddsock.org>

At 04:32 PM 3/2/2005, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
>it seems that cgi_unescape_special_chars from libcgi is b0rken:

yup...you betcha... change
         hextable['d'] = 13;
To
         hextable['d'] = 14;

in libcgi's cgi.c, and you are good to go...the author of libcgi seems to 
not care too much about this bug....

oddsock 




From doc at krushradio.com  Thu Mar  3 03:37:02 2005
From: doc at krushradio.com (Doc NAsty)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 21:37:02 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] Running 2 port streams on a windows Server
Message-ID: <20050303033759.A9837286F4F@ns3.osuosl.org>

Hi Everyone.

I've given up on trying to do linux for an Icecast server, and I'm going
right to Windows...

 

So, the big question I have for you, is I want to run 2 or 3 different
stations, which would essentially mean using 2 different ports.  For that,
would I just rename the icecast executable to say, Icecast 2 and give it
it's own directory, or can I load 2 or 3 different instances of the XML
file.  As far as setting up the XML file, I'm pretty confident with it, I
just need to figure out the Extra Stations.

 

Thanks for your Help.

Doc

Krushradio.com

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From greg at orban.com  Thu Mar  3 03:47:09 2005
From: greg at orban.com (Ogonowski, Greg)
Date: Wed, 2 Mar 2005 19:47:09 -0800 
Subject: [Icecast] Running 2 port streams on a windows Server
Message-ID: <850DE7DE6AF8D7118F7A00104B6820100F3357E6@ip6.orban.com>

Doc-
 
Even easier than that.
 
Icecast supports moutpoints.
This means you can use the same port for multiple streams.
Just give each stream a different mountpoint (name).
 
e.g.
 
http://123.45.67.8:8000/stream1 <http://123.45.67.8:8000/stream1> 
 
http://123.45.67.8:8000/stream2 <http://123.45.67.8:8000/stream2> 
 
-greg.
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Doc NAsty [mailto:doc at krushradio.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 02, 2005 19:37
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: [Icecast] Running 2 port streams on a windows Server



Hi Everyone...

I've given up on trying to do linux for an Icecast server, and I'm going
right to Windows...

 

So, the big question I have for you, is I want to run 2 or 3 different
stations, which would essentially mean using 2 different ports.  For that,
would I just rename the icecast executable to say, Icecast 2 and give it
it's own directory, or can I load 2 or 3 different instances of the XML
file.  As far as setting up the XML file, I'm pretty confident with it, I
just need to figure out the Extra Stations.

 

Thanks for your Help.

Doc

Krushradio.com

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From swiergot at gmail.com  Thu Mar  3 10:40:58 2005
From: swiergot at gmail.com (Jaroslaw Swierczynski)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 11:40:58 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Re: icecast2yp server problem...
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050302183844.03447850@www.oddsock.org>
References: <42263F0F.5070606@folkwang-hochschule.de>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20050302183844.03447850@www.oddsock.org>
Message-ID: <d73d7acb0503030240194b4140@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:39:59 -0600, oddsock <oddsock at oddsock.org> wrote:
> 
> yup...you betcha... change
>          hextable['d'] = 13;
> To
>          hextable['d'] = 14;

I'd say hextable['e'] should be 14...

-- 
Jaroslaw Swierczynski <swiergot at gmail.com>
www.slackware.com | www.archlinux.org | www.juvepoland.com


From oddsock at oddsock.org  Thu Mar  3 14:25:12 2005
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 08:25:12 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] Re: icecast2yp server problem...
In-Reply-To: <d73d7acb0503030240194b4140@mail.gmail.com>
References: <42263F0F.5070606@folkwang-hochschule.de>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20050302183844.03447850@www.oddsock.org>
	<d73d7acb0503030240194b4140@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050303082211.0346a768@www.oddsock.org>

At 04:40 AM 3/3/2005, you wrote:
>On Wed, 02 Mar 2005 18:39:59 -0600, oddsock <oddsock at oddsock.org> wrote:
> >
> > yup...you betcha... change
> >          hextable['d'] = 13;
> > To
> >          hextable['d'] = 14;
>
>I'd say hextable['e'] should be 14...

you are, of course, correct...

the hex table should look like :
     hextable['d'] = 13;
     hextable['e'] = 14;
     hextable['f'] = 15;
instead of
     hextable['d'] = 13;
     hextable['e'] = 13;
     hextable['f'] = 15;

oddsock




From lists at videonetwork.org  Thu Mar  3 14:50:47 2005
From: lists at videonetwork.org (Ben Edwards (lists))
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:50:47 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] ezstream
Message-ID: <1109861448.4117.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>

hi everybody.  I am involved in a Internet Radio Station in Bristol UK.
We are using a icecast 2 server and are trying to work out what to use
to upstream.

Currently we are using darkice which seems to work well.  However it
does not support playlists.

I have looked at muse-streamer but it is currently far to unstable.
Therefore ices or ezstream seem to be the option.  From what I can
gather mp3/lame is not very well supported in ices2 (if atall) therefor
ezstream seems the one to go for.  It is at a very low version.  Have
people had success with it.  Also what is its relationship with ices2
(i.e. pro/cons).  Is it being developed as an alternative?

Regards,
Ben
-- 
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http://www.gurtlush.org.uk/profiles.php?uid=4
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From fbriere at fbriere.net  Thu Mar  3 15:43:00 2005
From: fbriere at fbriere.net (=?iso-8859-1?B?RnLpZOlyaWMgQnJp6HJl?=)
Date: Thu, 3 Mar 2005 10:43:00 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] rfc: bring ices-kh60 into mainline asap
In-Reply-To: <42262840.4010608@folkwang-hochschule.de>
References: <42262840.4010608@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <20050303154300.GA19263@hyrule.dyndns.org>

On Wed, Mar 02, 2005 at 09:55:28PM +0100, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> the first time i used ices-kh was about a year ago,  and even then it 
> has performed very reliably, for over a week in 24/7 operation.

I heartily concur; I've had Karl's version running 24/7 since last
summer, and aside from one incident in October (where it and icecast
argued over whether it was already broadcasting or not), it's been
running smoothly all the time.  And that's over a connection spanning
13-14 hops across the continent, with the usual stream of network
failures (which brought ices2 2.0 to its knees).

> to speed up the merging, and since there are no regressions in 
> functionality when moving from ices-2.0.1 to ices-kh60, why can't we 
> just push ices-kh60 out as ices-2.1rc ?

Last time I checked, there were changes in the XML syntax which, small
as they were, required slightly rewriting the configuration file.  Is
this no longer the case?  I think most users would expect a minor
version number to be a drop-in replacement.

> as a side note, the whole development process under the xiph umbrella 
> can be very hard to follow for outsiders - in addition to the sheer 

I'll admit it took me a while to figure out that changes in 2.0-kh were
not included in 2.1...


-- 
             Fr?d?ric Bri?re    <*>    fbriere at fbriere.net

 =>  <fbriere at abacom.com> IS NO MORE:  <http://www.abacomsucks.com>  <=


From a.pogosov at gmail.com  Thu Mar  3 22:03:48 2005
From: a.pogosov at gmail.com (Alexey Pogosov)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:03:48 +0500
Subject: [Icecast] icecast2 video broadcast?
Message-ID: <444bdef7050303140335adb0f6@mail.gmail.com>

Hello folks!

How can I broadcast video (mpeg4) files via icecast2? I make icecast
with theora support and what can i do with this feature? Where can i
read about this feature? Help pls.


From karl at xiph.org  Thu Mar  3 22:47:34 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 03 Mar 2005 22:47:34 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] icecast2 video broadcast?
In-Reply-To: <444bdef7050303140335adb0f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <444bdef7050303140335adb0f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1109890052.22064.43.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 22:03, Alexey Pogosov wrote:
> Hello folks!
> 
> How can I broadcast video (mpeg4) files via icecast2? I make icecast
> with theora support and what can i do with this feature? Where can i
> read about this feature? Help pls.

I don't know if mpeg4 has been tried. The likes of libshout and icecast
could pass mpeg4 straight through but without timing so it would run far
too quickly for streaming.

However with some modifications to something like oggfwd or ezstream you
could get a feed from mplayer to do the timing. Needs checking up on
though to make sure it works well enough.

karl.




From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Thu Mar  3 22:46:42 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:46:42 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] ezstream
In-Reply-To: <1109861448.4117.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1109861448.4117.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <3c17372105030314466c2fa6a@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:50:47 +0000, Ben Edwards (lists)
<lists at videonetwork.org> wrote:
> hi everybody.  I am involved in a Internet Radio Station in Bristol UK.
> We are using a icecast 2 server and are trying to work out what to use
> to upstream.
> 
> Currently we are using darkice which seems to work well.  However it
> does not support playlists.
> 
> I have looked at muse-streamer but it is currently far to unstable.
> Therefore ices or ezstream seem to be the option.  From what I can
> gather mp3/lame is not very well supported in ices2 (if atall) therefor
> ezstream seems the one to go for.  It is at a very low version.  Have
> people had success with it.  Also what is its relationship with ices2
> (i.e. pro/cons).  Is it being developed as an alternative?

Compared to ices2, ezstream is very simple - easy to set up, easy to
use. It's also much, much less featureful. ezstream supports some
formats that ices2 doesn't, though. It also runs on some platforms
that ices2 doesn't (notably windows).

If you really need mp3, you might also consider ices0, which, despite
the similar name and low version number, is a seperate program from
ices2, and is very stable and usable.

Mike


From oddsock at oddsock.org  Thu Mar  3 22:49:06 2005
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:49:06 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] icecast2 video broadcast?
In-Reply-To: <444bdef7050303140335adb0f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <444bdef7050303140335adb0f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050303164845.0348ae90@www.oddsock.org>

this may/may not help..

http://www.oddsock.org/guides/video.php

At 04:03 PM 3/3/2005, you wrote:
>Hello folks!
>
>How can I broadcast video (mpeg4) files via icecast2? I make icecast
>with theora support and what can i do with this feature? Where can i
>read about this feature? Help pls.
>_______________________________________________
>Icecast mailing list
>Icecast at xiph.org
>http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Thu Mar  3 23:06:23 2005
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:06:23 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] icecast2 video broadcast?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050303164845.0348ae90@www.oddsock.org>
References: <444bdef7050303140335adb0f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<6.0.1.1.2.20050303164845.0348ae90@www.oddsock.org>
Message-ID: <4227986F.3090903@folkwang-hochschule.de>

oddsock wrote:
> this may/may not help..
> 
> http://www.oddsock.org/guides/video.php

it helps, as you can see at http://spunk.dnsalias.org:8000/ :-D
i put this together following your instructions.



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Fri Mar  4 04:09:27 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:09:27 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Icecast] Using aoTuV with Oddcast
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503041406440.17735@data.home>

Hi,

Excuse my ignorance, I'm primarily a LInux user and don't have a Windows 
install on any hardware that's actually working at the moment.

Is it possible to use aoTuV B3 with Oddcast?  Is this simply a matter of 
replacing a DLL?  If so, are there any precompiled DLLs anywhere, or is 
anyone with the appropriate tools prepared to cook one up for me?  I have 
people who are probably interested in trying it.

Any help anyone can provide will be most useful.

Geoff.


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MSN: geoff at acbradio.org

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Fri Mar  4 05:27:38 2005
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 23:27:38 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] Using aoTuV with Oddcast
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503041406440.17735@data.home>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503041406440.17735@data.home>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050303232500.034a1c20@www.oddsock.org>

At 10:09 PM 3/3/2005, Geoff Shang wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Excuse my ignorance, I'm primarily a LInux user and don't have a Windows 
>install on any hardware that's actually working at the moment.
>
>Is it possible to use aoTuV B3 with Oddcast?  Is this simply a matter of 
>replacing a DLL?  If so, are there any precompiled DLLs anywhere, or is 
>anyone with the appropriate tools prepared to cook one up for me?  I have 
>people who are probably interested in trying it.
>
>Any help anyone can provide will be most useful.

The current OddcastV3 install comes with the aoTuV b3 DLLs, and allows you 
to optionally install them.  And yes, they are just a simple 
replacement.  These DLLs have (among other things) a quality setting of -2 
that triggers a special low-bitrate mode that people say is quite 
good....for low-bitrate that is..

oddsock

>Geoff.
>
>
>--
>Geoff Shang <geoff at hitsandpieces.net>
>Phone: +61-418-96-5590
>MSN: geoff at acbradio.org
>
>Make sure your E-mail can be read by everyone!
>http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html
>
>Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
>See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>_______________________________________________
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>http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
>




From a.pogosov at gmail.com  Fri Mar  4 12:03:17 2005
From: a.pogosov at gmail.com (Alexey Pogosov)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:03:17 +0500
Subject: [Icecast] Re: icecast2 video broadcast?
In-Reply-To: <444bdef7050303140335adb0f6@mail.gmail.com>
References: <444bdef7050303140335adb0f6@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <444bdef7050304040364f1b8e1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello folks!!!

I'm happy, i do it! I've broadcast mpeg4 and i choose following method 
ffmpeg2theora -v 10 -a -1  -x 384 -y 256 /mnt/hdc/movie/godsend.avi 
-o /dev/stdout | oggfwd xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 8899 hackme /video.ogg
But ffmpeg2theora have very big CPU load average and if use source
package of oggfwd and compile, oggfwd crashes with Segmentation fault,
but if you download binary of oggfwd it works correct. Big thanks ALL!


On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:03:48 +0500, Alexey Pogosov <a.pogosov at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello folks!
> 
> How can I broadcast video (mpeg4) files via icecast2? I make icecast
> with theora support and what can i do with this feature? Where can i
> read about this feature? Help pls.
>


From raul at enbicicleta.org  Fri Mar  4 13:00:18 2005
From: raul at enbicicleta.org (raul)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:00:18 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] How much CPU horsepower?
In-Reply-To: <3c17372105022821522e971091@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200502282032.11815.jsimmons@goblin.punk.net>
	<3c17372105022821522e971091@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42285BE2.5000109@enbicicleta.org>

Hello,
One question about cpu and ram.
I'have a pentium IV with 512 Mb of Ram, running icecast2 in debian.
If I supose that i have unlimited *bandwidth,* how many streams support 
at the same time?
I want to stream ogg audio at 32 kbps.

Thanks in advanced,

Raul.


From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Fri Mar  4 14:50:09 2005
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:50:09 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Re: icecast2 video broadcast?
In-Reply-To: <444bdef7050304040364f1b8e1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <444bdef7050303140335adb0f6@mail.gmail.com>
	<444bdef7050304040364f1b8e1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <422875A1.9080408@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Alexey Pogosov wrote:
> But ffmpeg2theora have very big CPU load average 

yes, it is substantial. but afaik not much optimization work has gone 
into theora yet, so there's hope.

i heard some guys on irc mention theora-mmx, which makes use of the 
pentium's simd instructions. it's somewhere in svn.xiph.org. haven't 
tried it myself yet, but it might reduce the load somewhat.




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Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 15:53:41 +0100
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   5. Re: icecast2 video broadcast? (Joern Nettingsmeier)
   6. Using aoTuV with Oddcast (Geoff Shang)
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   8. Re: icecast2 video broadcast? (Alexey Pogosov)
   9. Re: How much CPU horsepower? (raul)
  10. Re: Re: icecast2 video broadcast? (Joern Nettingsmeier)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:03:48 +0500
From: Alexey Pogosov <a.pogosov at gmail.com>
Subject: [Icecast] icecast2 video broadcast?
To: icecast at xiph.org
Message-ID: <444bdef7050303140335adb0f6 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Hello folks!

How can I broadcast video (mpeg4) files via icecast2? I make icecast with
theora support and what can i do with this feature? Where can i read about
this feature? Help pls.


------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: 03 Mar 2005 22:47:34 +0000
From: Karl Heyes <karl at xiph.org>
Subject: Re: [Icecast] icecast2 video broadcast?
To: Alexey Pogosov <a.pogosov at gmail.com>
Cc: icecast <icecast at xiph.org>
Message-ID: <1109890052.22064.43.camel at bogus.hackers.club>
Content-Type: text/plain

On Thu, 2005-03-03 at 22:03, Alexey Pogosov wrote:
> Hello folks!
> 
> How can I broadcast video (mpeg4) files via icecast2? I make icecast 
> with theora support and what can i do with this feature? Where can i 
> read about this feature? Help pls.

I don't know if mpeg4 has been tried. The likes of libshout and icecast
could pass mpeg4 straight through but without timing so it would run far too
quickly for streaming.

However with some modifications to something like oggfwd or ezstream you
could get a feed from mplayer to do the timing. Needs checking up on though
to make sure it works well enough.

karl.




------------------------------

Message: 3
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 09:46:42 +1100
From: Michael Smith <mlrsmith at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Icecast] ezstream
To: "Ben Edwards (lists)" <lists at videonetwork.org>
Cc: Icecast at xiph.org
Message-ID: <3c17372105030314466c2fa6a at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Thu, 03 Mar 2005 14:50:47 +0000, Ben Edwards (lists)
<lists at videonetwork.org> wrote:
> hi everybody.  I am involved in a Internet Radio Station in Bristol UK.
> We are using a icecast 2 server and are trying to work out what to use 
> to upstream.
> 
> Currently we are using darkice which seems to work well.  However it 
> does not support playlists.
> 
> I have looked at muse-streamer but it is currently far to unstable.
> Therefore ices or ezstream seem to be the option.  From what I can 
> gather mp3/lame is not very well supported in ices2 (if atall) 
> therefor ezstream seems the one to go for.  It is at a very low 
> version.  Have people had success with it.  Also what is its 
> relationship with ices2 (i.e. pro/cons).  Is it being developed as an
alternative?

Compared to ices2, ezstream is very simple - easy to set up, easy to use.
It's also much, much less featureful. ezstream supports some formats that
ices2 doesn't, though. It also runs on some platforms that ices2 doesn't
(notably windows).

If you really need mp3, you might also consider ices0, which, despite the
similar name and low version number, is a seperate program from ices2, and
is very stable and usable.

Mike


------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 16:49:06 -0600
From: oddsock <oddsock at oddsock.org>
Subject: Re: [Icecast] icecast2 video broadcast?
To: icecast <icecast at xiph.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050303164845.0348ae90 at www.oddsock.org>
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this may/may not help..

http://www.oddsock.org/guides/video.php

At 04:03 PM 3/3/2005, you wrote:
>Hello folks!
>
>How can I broadcast video (mpeg4) files via icecast2? I make icecast 
>with theora support and what can i do with this feature? Where can i 
>read about this feature? Help pls.
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 00:06:23 +0100
From: Joern Nettingsmeier <nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de>
Subject: Re: [Icecast] icecast2 video broadcast?
To: oddsock <oddsock at oddsock.org>
Cc: icecast <icecast at xiph.org>
Message-ID: <4227986F.3090903 at folkwang-hochschule.de>
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oddsock wrote:
> this may/may not help..
> 
> http://www.oddsock.org/guides/video.php

it helps, as you can see at http://spunk.dnsalias.org:8000/ :-D i put this
together following your instructions.



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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 14:09:27 +1000 (EST)
From: Geoff Shang <geoff at hitsandpieces.net>
Subject: [Icecast] Using aoTuV with Oddcast
To: icecast at xiph.org
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503041406440.17735 at data.home>
Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

Hi,

Excuse my ignorance, I'm primarily a LInux user and don't have a Windows
install on any hardware that's actually working at the moment.

Is it possible to use aoTuV B3 with Oddcast?  Is this simply a matter of
replacing a DLL?  If so, are there any precompiled DLLs anywhere, or is
anyone with the appropriate tools prepared to cook one up for me?  I have
people who are probably interested in trying it.

Any help anyone can provide will be most useful.

Geoff.


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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 03 Mar 2005 23:27:38 -0600
From: oddsock <oddsock at oddsock.org>
Subject: Re: [Icecast] Using aoTuV with Oddcast
To: icecast at xiph.org
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050303232500.034a1c20 at www.oddsock.org>
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At 10:09 PM 3/3/2005, Geoff Shang wrote:
>Hi,
>
>Excuse my ignorance, I'm primarily a LInux user and don't have a 
>Windows install on any hardware that's actually working at the moment.
>
>Is it possible to use aoTuV B3 with Oddcast?  Is this simply a matter 
>of replacing a DLL?  If so, are there any precompiled DLLs anywhere, or 
>is anyone with the appropriate tools prepared to cook one up for me?  I 
>have people who are probably interested in trying it.
>
>Any help anyone can provide will be most useful.

The current OddcastV3 install comes with the aoTuV b3 DLLs, and allows you
to optionally install them.  And yes, they are just a simple replacement.
These DLLs have (among other things) a quality setting of -2 that triggers a
special low-bitrate mode that people say is quite good....for low-bitrate
that is..

oddsock

>Geoff.
>
>
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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 17:03:17 +0500
From: Alexey Pogosov <a.pogosov at gmail.com>
Subject: [Icecast] Re: icecast2 video broadcast?
To: icecast at xiph.org
Message-ID: <444bdef7050304040364f1b8e1 at mail.gmail.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

Hello folks!!!

I'm happy, i do it! I've broadcast mpeg4 and i choose following method
ffmpeg2theora -v 10 -a -1  -x 384 -y 256 /mnt/hdc/movie/godsend.avi -o
/dev/stdout | oggfwd xxx.xxx.xxx.xxx 8899 hackme /video.ogg But
ffmpeg2theora have very big CPU load average and if use source package of
oggfwd and compile, oggfwd crashes with Segmentation fault, but if you
download binary of oggfwd it works correct. Big thanks ALL!


On Fri, 4 Mar 2005 03:03:48 +0500, Alexey Pogosov <a.pogosov at gmail.com>
wrote:
> Hello folks!
> 
> How can I broadcast video (mpeg4) files via icecast2? I make icecast 
> with theora support and what can i do with this feature? Where can i 
> read about this feature? Help pls.
>


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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 14:00:18 +0100
From: raul <raul at enbicicleta.org>
Subject: Re: [Icecast] How much CPU horsepower?
To: icecast at xiph.org
Message-ID: <42285BE2.5000109 at enbicicleta.org>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed

Hello,
One question about cpu and ram.
I'have a pentium IV with 512 Mb of Ram, running icecast2 in debian.
If I supose that i have unlimited *bandwidth,* how many streams support at
the same time?
I want to stream ogg audio at 32 kbps.

Thanks in advanced,

Raul.


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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 15:50:09 +0100
From: Joern Nettingsmeier <nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de>
Subject: Re: [Icecast] Re: icecast2 video broadcast?
To: Alexey Pogosov <a.pogosov at gmail.com>
Cc: icecast at xiph.org
Message-ID: <422875A1.9080408 at folkwang-hochschule.de>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed

Alexey Pogosov wrote:
> But ffmpeg2theora have very big CPU load average

yes, it is substantial. but afaik not much optimization work has gone into
theora yet, so there's hope.

i heard some guys on irc mention theora-mmx, which makes use of the
pentium's simd instructions. it's somewhere in svn.xiph.org. haven't tried
it myself yet, but it might reduce the load somewhat.




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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Fri Mar  4 15:17:29 2005
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 16:17:29 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] How much CPU horsepower?
In-Reply-To: <42285BE2.5000109@enbicicleta.org>
References: <200502282032.11815.jsimmons@goblin.punk.net>	<3c17372105022821522e971091@mail.gmail.com>
	<42285BE2.5000109@enbicicleta.org>
Message-ID: <42287C09.9040702@folkwang-hochschule.de>

raul wrote:
> Hello,
> One question about cpu and ram.
> I'have a pentium IV with 512 Mb of Ram, running icecast2 in debian.
> If I supose that i have unlimited *bandwidth,* how many streams support 
> at the same time?
> I want to stream ogg audio at 32 kbps.

if you do not transcode or encode on the machine, you should be able to 
run quite a few.

on my machine (dual p3 600, 512 mb ram), icecast uses about 2.5% of all 
memory at according to top with two theora and 30 vorbis streams and one 
client each. cpu load is negligible.

so the exact answer is "an awful lot" :-D

i guess your machine might be able to saturate a 100mbit link.






From dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de  Fri Mar  4 17:42:18 2005
From: dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Thomas_B=2E_R=FCcker=22?=)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 18:42:18 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] How much CPU horsepower?
In-Reply-To: <42287C09.9040702@folkwang-hochschule.de>
References: <200502282032.11815.jsimmons@goblin.punk.net>	<3c17372105022821522e971091@mail.gmail.com>	<42285BE2.5000109@enbicicleta.org>
	<42287C09.9040702@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <42289DFA.7070405@afthd.tu-darmstadt.de>

Joern Nettingsmeier schrieb:
> 
> i guess your machine might be able to saturate a 100mbit link.
it was no problem to saturate an 10MBit link with an PII-266 and almost 
no sysload. ppl here on the list had virtually thousands of sessions of 
"wget -o /dev/null http://localhost:8000/somestream.ogg" running without 
noticeable sysload.

its simply pushing packets around. nothing spectacular.

as pointed out _very_ often: the really cpu expensive part is reencoding.

regards

Thomas


From rt7 at bk.ru  Fri Mar  4 18:31:33 2005
From: rt7 at bk.ru (Mihail Egorov)
Date: Fri, 4 Mar 2005 21:31:33 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] Optimizing for voice for max users 
References: <022301c51dfd$d2ba6710$04000100@PUBLICUS2>
Message-ID: <00ed01c520fc$4c40f4e0$1201a8c0@ts>

Speex is free codec, optimal for speech. 

Look at Re: [Icecast] can icecast broadcast in SPEEX format?


> Any thoughts about the best settings/options for streaming voice -
> meeting and conference recordings - on Icecast2?
> 
> We are thinking about serving up MP3 and OGG.
> 




From cktan at ocesb.com.my  Fri Mar  4 02:38:03 2005
From: cktan at ocesb.com.my (Ck Tan)
Date: Fri, 04 Mar 2005 10:38:03 +0800
Subject: [Icecast] stream video
Message-ID: <1109903883.11951.14.camel@ckfc3>

hi all,

this is CK from malaysia, i'm new to doing the streaming and currently i
had setup a box for icecast runnning FC3, with ices to play mp3.

Everything look nice, now i'm going to try for the video streaming but
don't know how to start it. this is because i'm still not clear with the
idea of how video streaming works. I had try to go throw the
www.theora.org but since i can't get much of information there.

So, i need some documents or example how the theora work with icecast.
I hope you might give me some information where i can get the idea of
video streaming and also the instruction to pipe the theora to icecast.

one more question is currently i'm using unicast--one server and
broadcast to everyone. It is quite heavy for me bandwidth to take care
of my players, so do you have any idea to make streaming serve better?

again, thanks for all the team members who put a lot of effort to create
icecast, it is pretty good for me and also my players.

thanks and regards

-- 
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Linux Application Engineer
Optical Communication Engineering SDN BHD
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From mihamina at mail.rktmb.org  Sat Mar  5 08:02:41 2005
From: mihamina at mail.rktmb.org (Rakotomandimby (R12y) Mihamina)
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 09:02:41 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] icecast, icecast-kh, icecast-XX
Message-ID: <1110009761.4880.2.camel@debian>

Hello,

I want to know how to download -kh, intending to relay video (theora).
Is it included in 2.2.x ?
Is there a flag to specify at ./configure ?

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From cel142 at gmail.com  Sat Mar  5 08:52:44 2005
From: cel142 at gmail.com (Lance)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 02:52:44 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] freebsd port
Message-ID: <fd963596050305005252b08908@mail.gmail.com>

I know that icecast is already ported to freebsd but how can I get the
ported source before it's actually compiled or whatever?


From mlabash at babylabash.com  Sat Mar  5 09:42:34 2005
From: mlabash at babylabash.com (Michael LaBash)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 01:42:34 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] dropped at change of song and...
Message-ID: <p06110400be4f248769cd@[63.192.39.198]>

I'm running Icecast 2.2.0 on a Windows 2000 server. I'm using Winamp 
with the SAM encoder plugin to stream an Ogg Vorbis stream (-0.55 
quality stereo) from a remote machine. I'm having two problems.

1. The latest Winamp works great. Whamb on OSX works also (but no 
Title/Artist info shows up). But on other players (Zinf and Audion 
[OS9 and OSX]) it works great for one song. At song change, the 
player stops and I have to reopen the url again. Do I have to add 
some kind of fallback for in between songs for these other players??

2. Icecast keeps shutting down after about an hour. If there are no 
players connected for a period of time does it shut down? Or if the 
YP connection is lost does Icecast shut down?

Thanks in advance!

-- 
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From agentgrn at dcne.net  Sat Mar  5 11:53:33 2005
From: agentgrn at dcne.net (Ian A. Underwood)
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 06:53:33 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] dropped at change of song and...
In-Reply-To: <p06110400be4f248769cd@[63.192.39.198]>
References: <p06110400be4f248769cd@[63.192.39.198]>
Message-ID: <42299DBD.3020009@dcne.net>

Michael LaBash wrote:
> I'm running Icecast 2.2.0 on a Windows 2000 server. I'm using Winamp 
> with the SAM encoder plugin to stream an Ogg Vorbis stream (-0.55 
> quality stereo) from a remote machine. I'm having two problems.
> 
> 1. The latest Winamp works great. Whamb on OSX works also (but no 
> Title/Artist info shows up). But on other players (Zinf and Audion [OS9 
> and OSX]) it works great for one song. At song change, the player stops 
> and I have to reopen the url again. Do I have to add some kind of 
> fallback for in between songs for these other players??

Not every sound player properly supports Ogg streaming, or at least 
that's what I've found.  For example, if I run a whitenoise OGG at Q-2, 
Winamp works fine, but almost every other player starts doing bad things.

> 2. Icecast keeps shutting down after about an hour. If there are no 
> players connected for a period of time does it shut down? Or if the YP 
> connection is lost does Icecast shut down?

What does SAM have in its event log at the time the encoder quits?  The 
encoder should keep running regardless of the incoming source stats.

-I



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Sat Mar  5 12:06:30 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 22:06:30 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] icecast, icecast-kh, icecast-XX
In-Reply-To: <1110009761.4880.2.camel@debian>
References: <1110009761.4880.2.camel@debian>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503052205420.6161@data.home>

Hi,

Theora streaming is available in Icecast 2.2.  You'll need libtheora 
installed for theora support to be compiled in.

Geoff.


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From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Sat Mar  5 13:11:04 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 00:11:04 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] dropped at change of song and...
In-Reply-To: <p06110400be4f248769cd@63.192.39.198>
References: <p06110400be4f248769cd@63.192.39.198>
Message-ID: <3c173721050305051146aad829@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 01:42:34 -0800, Michael LaBash
<mlabash at babylabash.com> wrote:
> I'm running Icecast 2.2.0 on a Windows 2000 server. I'm using Winamp
> with the SAM encoder plugin to stream an Ogg Vorbis stream (-0.55
> quality stereo) from a remote machine. I'm having two problems.
> 
> 1. The latest Winamp works great. Whamb on OSX works also (but no
> Title/Artist info shows up). But on other players (Zinf and Audion
> [OS9 and OSX]) it works great for one song. At song change, the
> player stops and I have to reopen the url again. Do I have to add
> some kind of fallback for in between songs for these other players??

>From what I've heard, OS X player support for vorbis streams is very
poor. I suspect you're just running into player bugs here.

> 
> 2. Icecast keeps shutting down after about an hour. If there are no
> players connected for a period of time does it shut down? Or if the
> YP connection is lost does Icecast shut down?

No. Icecast should never shut down unless it's explicitly killed.
There is probably something either on the console where you started it
(hmm... you're using the windows version. I'm not sure where it
displays console output, or even if it does), or in the log file,
saying why it stopped.

Mike


From daniel.svan at gmail.com  Sat Mar  5 13:35:41 2005
From: daniel.svan at gmail.com (Daniel Svan)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 14:35:41 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] AIM with libshout-2.1
Message-ID: <d5eadff005030505351f7c7bc2@mail.gmail.com>

I've just compiled ices-0.4 with the new libshout release 2.1
It works fine with streaming and so (using shoutcast as a server)

But i noticed one thing, the "icy-aim" shows: icy-icq after i've
installed the libshout-2.1 package. Before it was empty there.


From mlabash at babylabash.com  Sat Mar  5 14:55:39 2005
From: mlabash at babylabash.com (Michael LaBash)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 06:55:39 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] dropped at change of song and...
Message-ID: <p06110407be4f78de2e24@[63.192.39.198]>

I'm trying to run Icecast as a service under windows using SC.exe and 
I think that is the cause of the shutting down. There are parameters 
for "start" that aren't explained and not really obvious .... I just 
used the default (=demand)... anyone familiar with sc.exe?

from http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;251192 
about SC.exe

optionname

start= boot, system, auto, demand, disabled
Start type for the service. Option values include types used by drivers.
(default = demand)

I'm thinking that demand might mean that the service runs when 
there's demand for it, so if all the players leave, it shuts down 
.... I'm guessing though. I'm going to try the other options to see 
if one orks.

Thanks!


>On Sat, 5 Mar 2005 01:42:34 -0800, Michael LaBash
><mlabash at babylabash.com> wrote:
>>  I'm running Icecast 2.2.0 on a Windows 2000 server. I'm using Winamp
>>  with the SAM encoder plugin to stream an Ogg Vorbis stream (-0.55
>>  quality stereo) from a remote machine. I'm having two problems.
>>
>>  1. The latest Winamp works great. Whamb on OSX works also (but no
>>  Title/Artist info shows up). But on other players (Zinf and Audion
>>  [OS9 and OSX]) it works great for one song. At song change, the
>>  player stops and I have to reopen the url again. Do I have to add
>>  some kind of fallback for in between songs for these other players??
>
>From what I've heard, OS X player support for vorbis streams is very
>poor. I suspect you're just running into player bugs here.
>
>>
>>  2. Icecast keeps shutting down after about an hour. If there are no
>>  players connected for a period of time does it shut down? Or if the
>>  YP connection is lost does Icecast shut down?
>
>No. Icecast should never shut down unless it's explicitly killed.
>There is probably something either on the console where you started it
>(hmm... you're using the windows version. I'm not sure where it
>displays console output, or even if it does), or in the log file,
>saying why it stopped.
>
>Mike


-- 
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From jeremy at thewardrivers.com  Sat Mar  5 18:23:26 2005
From: jeremy at thewardrivers.com (Jeremy)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:23:26 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] I even RTFM and still no joy
Message-ID: <000501c521b0$6ce5b000$611010ac@ITVaioJG>

By no means am I a linux god, but I do know my way around the systems

I read the manual believe I have everything configured correctly and
even had outside sources verify that the ports

Are open when I launch Icecast however I get no errors all my logs show
up by yet I cant send streams to anyone, 

And my jetcast and winamp neither one show up on the status page when I
try to stream to them.

Any suggestions ? I can send my config file if need be.

 

Thanks in advance.

Jeremy

 

 

 

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From felix.klee at inka.de  Sat Mar  5 18:45:59 2005
From: felix.klee at inka.de (Felix E. Klee)
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:45:59 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Streaming Council Debate on Software Patents via Cell
	Phone?
Message-ID: <87zmxiq6c8.wl%felix.klee@inka.de>

I'm looking for a solution to provide a live stream of the debate on
Sofware Patents in Monday's EU Council of Ministers [1].  Here's what I've in
mind:

* Council --> mobile phone --> software answering machine --> Internet
  server

* Council --> mobile phone --> VOIP --> Internet server

Has anyone ever streamed something via a cell phone? How would you
realize such a setup?

I may be asking for too much, but, perhaps, someone could provide a
readily configured solution where all that's left to do on our [2] part
is calling up a certain number with the cell phone?  If so, please drop
me a note.

[1] http://wiki.ffii.org/Dkparl050304En

[2] http://www.ffii.org

-- 
Felix E. Klee


From jbebel at ncsu.edu  Sat Mar  5 18:46:41 2005
From: jbebel at ncsu.edu (Joel Ebel)
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 13:46:41 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] I even RTFM and still no joy
In-Reply-To: <000501c521b0$6ce5b000$611010ac@ITVaioJG>
References: <000501c521b0$6ce5b000$611010ac@ITVaioJG>
Message-ID: <4229FE91.5040508@ncsu.edu>

Do you have the hostname set correctly?  If not the m3u delivered will 
not work.  If that's not it, do you see any messages in the logs when 
you try to stream?  Try setting loglevel to 4 snd see if anything shows 
up then.

Start with that.
Joel

Jeremy wrote:
> By no means am I a linux god, but I do know my way around the systems
> 
> I read the manual believe I have everything configured correctly and 
> even had outside sources verify that the ports
> 
> Are open when I launch Icecast however I get no errors all my logs show 
> up by yet I cant send streams to anyone,
> 
> And my jetcast and winamp neither one show up on the status page when I 
> try to stream to them.
> 
> Any suggestions ? I can send my config file if need be.
> 
>  
> 
> Thanks in advance.
> 
> Jeremy
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> 
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
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From felix.klee at inka.de  Sat Mar  5 18:46:47 2005
From: felix.klee at inka.de (Felix E. Klee)
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 19:46:47 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Streaming Council Debate on Software Patents via Cell
	Phone?
Message-ID: <87y8d2q6aw.wl%felix.klee@inka.de>

I'm looking for a solution to provide a live stream of the debate on
Sofware Patents in Monday's EU Council of Ministers [1].  Here's what I've in
mind:

* Council --> mobile phone --> software answering machine --> Internet
  server

* Council --> mobile phone --> VOIP --> Internet server

Has anyone ever streamed something via a cell phone? How would you
realize such a setup?

I may be asking for too much, but, perhaps, someone could provide a
readily configured solution where all that's left to do on our [2] part
is calling up a certain number with the cell phone?  If so, please drop
me a note.

[1] http://wiki.ffii.org/Dkparl050304En

[2] http://www.ffii.org

-- 
Felix E. Klee


From greg at orban.com  Sat Mar  5 19:40:02 2005
From: greg at orban.com (Greg J. Ogonowski)
Date: Sat, 05 Mar 2005 11:40:02 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] Streaming Council Debate on Software Patents via
	Cell Phone?
In-Reply-To: <87zmxiq6c8.wl%felix.klee@inka.de>
References: <87zmxiq6c8.wl%felix.klee@inka.de>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050305104913.059453f0@66.220.31.130>

There are a couple of ways to do this.  Both assume the mobile phone has 
Internet connectivity.

The standards-based method is to use 3GP RTSP/RTP LATM streams and 
AAC/HE-AAC/aacPlus, which is built into several mobile devices already on 
several different mobile device platforms.  This would involve using the 
appropriate encoder such as ORBAN Opticodec-PC and Darwin Streaming Server.

http://www.orban.com/orban/products/stream/1010_overview.html

The second way to do this, and I have currently been testing, is to use an 
Icecast2 server with an encoder of your choice and BetaPlayer, which is 
available for several different WindowsCE mobile devices, and supports 
several different codecs including OggVorbis and AAC/HE-AAC.  Testing has 
revealed that AAC/HE-AAC streaming works fine, but there is lots of audio 
skipping with OggVorbis streams.

http://betaplayer.corecodec.org/

I have been testing with a Verizon XV6600 EVDO device on the U.S. Verizon 
CDMA Network.

-greg.





At 10:45 2005-03-05, Felix E. Klee wrote:
>I'm looking for a solution to provide a live stream of the debate on
>Sofware Patents in Monday's EU Council of Ministers [1].  Here's what I've in
>mind:
>
>* Council --> mobile phone --> software answering machine --> Internet
>   server
>
>* Council --> mobile phone --> VOIP --> Internet server
>
>Has anyone ever streamed something via a cell phone? How would you
>realize such a setup?
>
>I may be asking for too much, but, perhaps, someone could provide a
>readily configured solution where all that's left to do on our [2] part
>is calling up a certain number with the cell phone?  If so, please drop
>me a note.
>
>[1] http://wiki.ffii.org/Dkparl050304En
>
>[2] http://www.ffii.org
>
>--
>Felix E. Klee
>_______________________________________________
>Icecast mailing list
>Icecast at xiph.org
>http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast


__________________________________________________________________________
Greg J. Ogonowski
VP Product Development
ORBAN / CRL, Inc.
1525 Alvarado St.
San Leandro, CA  94577  USA
TEL +1 510 351-3500
FAX +1 510 351-0500
greg at orban.com
http://www.orban.com



From brendan at xiph.org  Sat Mar  5 21:08:20 2005
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Sat, 5 Mar 2005 13:08:20 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] AIM with libshout-2.1
In-Reply-To: <d5eadff005030505351f7c7bc2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d5eadff005030505351f7c7bc2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050305210819.GA429@watanabe.local>

On Saturday, 05 March 2005 at 14:35, Daniel Svan wrote:
> I've just compiled ices-0.4 with the new libshout release 2.1
> It works fine with streaming and so (using shoutcast as a server)
> 
> But i noticed one thing, the "icy-aim" shows: icy-icq after i've
> installed the libshout-2.1 package. Before it was empty there.

Congratulations, you've found the first bug in 2.1. :)
This will be fixed in the next release.


From mihamina at mail.rktmb.org  Sat Mar  5 23:46:17 2005
From: mihamina at mail.rktmb.org (Rakotomandimby (R12y) Mihamina)
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 00:46:17 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] freebsd port
In-Reply-To: <fd963596050305005252b08908@mail.gmail.com>
References: <fd963596050305005252b08908@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1110066377.6856.0.camel@debian>

On Sat, 2005-03-05 at 02:52 -0600, Lance wrote:
> I know that icecast is already ported to freebsd but how can I get the
> ported source before it's actually compiled or whatever?

asking on a free-bsd mailing list ?
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From rt7 at bk.ru  Sat Mar  5 23:52:43 2005
From: rt7 at bk.ru (Mihail Egorov)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 02:52:43 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] how can I identify disconnect due to low <queue-size>
Message-ID: <005401c521de$89bc4300$1201a8c0@ts>

1. How can I identify disconnect due to low <queue-size>. Suppose, I have
enabled loglevel=4 (debug). Suppose, I have network jam. What shall I see at
error.log?


2. Is it possible to mark reason of disconnect at standard access/error log
at level 2 (warn)?

That is, when disconnect is FORCED by server, this will be marked at level 2
(warn) or may be even 1(error).








From karl at xiph.org  Sun Mar  6 02:36:36 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 06 Mar 2005 02:36:36 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] how can I identify disconnect due to low <queue-size>
In-Reply-To: <005401c521de$89bc4300$1201a8c0@ts>
References: <005401c521de$89bc4300$1201a8c0@ts>
Message-ID: <1110076595.19200.20.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Sat, 2005-03-05 at 23:52, Mihail Egorov wrote:
> 1. How can I identify disconnect due to low <queue-size>. Suppose, I have
> enabled loglevel=4 (debug). Suppose, I have network jam. What shall I see at
> error.log?

There is a log message that signifies the removal of a listener for
being too slow and that is 
"Client has fallen too far behind, removing"

It currently appears at debug level (4) 

> 2. Is it possible to mark reason of disconnect at standard access/error log
> at level 2 (warn)?

not in the access.log. If you don't get the above message then it will
probably be because the listener closed the connection. The only other
ways are an explicit kill, via the admin interface, or a shutdown of the
source or server.

> That is, when disconnect is FORCED by server, this will be marked at level 2
> (warn) or may be even 1(error).

I could see a reason for logging at the info level, but you generally
don't want such reporting at warn or error as it is unlikely that you
can do much about it, the usual cause being a saturated link.  This sort
of thing is best left for the stats.

karl.




From rt7 at bk.ru  Sun Mar  6 02:53:21 2005
From: rt7 at bk.ru (Mihail Egorov)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 05:53:21 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] how can I identify disconnect due to low <queue-size>
References: <005401c521de$89bc4300$1201a8c0@ts>
	<1110076595.19200.20.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <00c801c521f7$aba0ad80$1201a8c0@ts>

> > 2. Is it possible to mark reason of disconnect at standard access/error
log
> > at level 2 (warn)?
>
> not in the access.log. If you don't get the above message then it will
> probably be because the listener closed the connection. The only other
> ways are an explicit kill, via the admin interface, or a shutdown of the
> source or server.
>
> > That is, when disconnect is FORCED by server, this will be marked at
level 2
> > (warn) or may be even 1(error).
>
> I could see a reason for logging at the info level, but you generally
> don't want such reporting at warn or error as it is unlikely that you
> can do much about it, the usual cause being a saturated link.  This sort

I REALLY CAN DO MUCH ABOUT IT! I CAN INCREASE <queue-size>!

> of thing is best left for the stats.

Queue-size was default 100k. I have a problem of disconnecting clients after
2...20 second. One client drops connection even when he is the single
client. Server link was far far far from saturation, and another client has
not difficulties. I connected to unhappy client using video conferencing
software -- no jams, good quality. Error level was 3, so I can not determine
reason. Now I increased queue-size to 1M -- still no problems.

I still think to change log level of  FORCED disconnection to warn, but even
changing to info will be appreciated.





From rt7 at bk.ru  Sun Mar  6 03:01:38 2005
From: rt7 at bk.ru (Mihail Egorov)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 06:01:38 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] how can I identify disconnect due to low <queue-size>
References: <005401c521de$89bc4300$1201a8c0@ts>
	<1110076595.19200.20.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <00e601c521f8$d4b27b80$1201a8c0@ts>

> On Sat, 2005-03-05 at 23:52, Mihail Egorov wrote:
> > 1. How can I identify disconnect due to low <queue-size>. Suppose, I
have
> > enabled loglevel=4 (debug). Suppose, I have network jam. What shall I
see at
> > error.log?
>
> There is a log message that signifies the removal of a listener for
> being too slow and that is
> "Client has fallen too far behind, removing"
>
> It currently appears at debug level (4)

It is not clear, what client has fallen too far behind, when reading error
log.

Could you add client IP and may be id also?




From karl at xiph.org  Sun Mar  6 03:28:58 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 06 Mar 2005 03:28:58 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] how can I identify disconnect due to low <queue-size>
In-Reply-To: <00c801c521f7$aba0ad80$1201a8c0@ts>
References: <005401c521de$89bc4300$1201a8c0@ts>
	<1110076595.19200.20.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
	<00c801c521f7$aba0ad80$1201a8c0@ts>
Message-ID: <1110079737.19200.34.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 02:53, Mihail Egorov wrote:

> > I could see a reason for logging at the info level, but you generally
> > don't want such reporting at warn or error as it is unlikely that you
> > can do much about it, the usual cause being a saturated link.  This sort
> 
> I REALLY CAN DO MUCH ABOUT IT! I CAN INCREASE <queue-size>!

That just increases the maximum queue length, stick it at 1Meg if you
want, the queue will shrink when it's unused, but if the client is too
slow for the stream bitrate (and you haven't mentioned any details) then
it won't keep up and eventually it will either starve at the client end
or get kicked from icecast. The large size just means it would take
longer.

> > of thing is best left for the stats.
> 
> Queue-size was default 100k. I have a problem of disconnecting clients after
> 2...20 second. One client drops connection even when he is the single
> client. Server link was far far far from saturation, and another client has
> not difficulties. I connected to unhappy client using video conferencing
> software -- no jams, good quality. Error level was 3, so I can not determine
> reason. Now I increased queue-size to 1M -- still no problems.

Check your TCP buffers sizes as well, a larger RTT (ping) will require a
larger TCP window to maintain the same maximum bitrate.

karl.



From karl at xiph.org  Sun Mar  6 03:39:09 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 06 Mar 2005 03:39:09 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] how can I identify disconnect due to low <queue-size>
In-Reply-To: <00e601c521f8$d4b27b80$1201a8c0@ts>
References: <005401c521de$89bc4300$1201a8c0@ts>
	<1110076595.19200.20.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
	<00e601c521f8$d4b27b80$1201a8c0@ts>
Message-ID: <1110080349.19200.46.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 03:01, Mihail Egorov wrote:

> Could you add client IP and may be id also?

raise a report on bugs.xiph.org

karl.



From bcasci at runbox.com  Sun Mar  6 05:27:04 2005
From: bcasci at runbox.com (Brandon)
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 00:27:04 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Statistics
In-Reply-To: <00e601c521f8$d4b27b80$1201a8c0@ts>
References: <005401c521de$89bc4300$1201a8c0@ts>	<1110076595.19200.20.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
	<00e601c521f8$d4b27b80$1201a8c0@ts>
Message-ID: <422A94A8.5080309@runbox.com>

Hello

I've been experimenting with Icecast. Is there a way to obtain a 
timestamp of when a song was played, and how many seconds a listener was 
connected?

I ask because I'm starting a company (http://www.loudcity.net) that 
assists Internet radio stations with affordable royalty payment plans 
and music usage reporting. The reporting requirements for ASCAP, BMI, 
SESAC and SoundExchange are fairly thorough. So far we only support 
SHOUTcast, but hope to support Icecast as well.

Thanks,
Brandon



From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Sun Mar  6 09:55:35 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:55:35 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] Statistics
In-Reply-To: <422A94A8.5080309@runbox.com>
References: <005401c521de$89bc4300$1201a8c0@ts>
	<1110076595.19200.20.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
	<00e601c521f8$d4b27b80$1201a8c0@ts> <422A94A8.5080309@runbox.com>
Message-ID: <3c173721050306015550751b7f@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 00:27:04 -0500, Brandon <bcasci at runbox.com> wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I've been experimenting with Icecast. Is there a way to obtain a
> timestamp of when a song was played, and how many seconds a listener was
> connected?

Icecast can (and does - in the access log file) log how many seconds a
listener has been connected for.

We don't log "when a song was played", though - because icecast
doesn't know anything much about the data being streamed at all. We
could consider any change in metadata to be a 'new song', but that's
not very accurate. The stats will show the current metadata, but we
don't log that in any permanent way.

Getting a list of songs (and timestamps to go with them) is something
much better done by the source client - because the source client
actually knows what the data being streamed is, and can easily log
this info (many already do). This would mean you'd have to combine
data from two places (source client for song info, icecast logs for
listener details), but that shouldn't be difficult.

You could modify icecast to log the metadata changes, but I wouldn't
really recommend that approach.

Mike


From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Sun Mar  6 10:05:28 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:05:28 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Statistics
In-Reply-To: <3c173721050306015550751b7f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <005401c521de$89bc4300$1201a8c0@ts>
	<1110076595.19200.20.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
	<00e601c521f8$d4b27b80$1201a8c0@ts> <422A94A8.5080309@runbox.com>
	<3c173721050306015550751b7f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503062004110.6161@data.home>

Michael Smith wrote:

> We don't log "when a song was played", though - because icecast
> doesn't know anything much about the data being streamed at all. We
> could consider any change in metadata to be a 'new song', but that's
> not very accurate.

Isn't this what the playlist log does?

Geoff.



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Sun Mar  6 10:09:01 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:09:01 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Streaming Council Debate on Software Patents via Cell
	Phone?
In-Reply-To: <87zmxiq6c8.wl%felix.klee@inka.de>
References: <87zmxiq6c8.wl%felix.klee@inka.de>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503062006180.6161@data.home>

Felix E. Klee wrote:

> I'm looking for a solution to provide a live stream of the debate on
> Sofware Patents in Monday's EU Council of Ministers [1].  Here's what I've in
> mind:
> * Council --> mobile phone --> software answering machine --> Internet
>  server

You could use asterisk with its Ices module to do this.  Simply call into 
the Asterisk exchange and have Ices configured to stream to an Icecast 
server.

In fact, I know someone in the United States with this configured already, 
though I'm guessing you'd prefer to call  someone in Europe.

Geoff.



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Sun Mar  6 10:10:57 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:10:57 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] I even RTFM and still no joy
In-Reply-To: <000501c521b0$6ce5b000$611010ac@ITVaioJG>
References: <000501c521b0$6ce5b000$611010ac@ITVaioJG>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503062009200.6161@data.home>

Hi,

Without a better idea of what exactly you're trying to do, it's hard for us 
to provide any help.  You should probably tell us the following:

1.  Your exact setup.

2.  Exactly what you're trying to do.

3. Provide any log fragments that are relevant.

4.  You might want to send us your configs too, minus any incriminating 
passwords.

Geoff.


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From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Sun Mar  6 10:17:03 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:17:03 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] Statistics
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503062004110.6161@data.home>
References: <005401c521de$89bc4300$1201a8c0@ts>
	<1110076595.19200.20.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
	<00e601c521f8$d4b27b80$1201a8c0@ts> <422A94A8.5080309@runbox.com>
	<3c173721050306015550751b7f@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503062004110.6161@data.home>
Message-ID: <3c17372105030602177c2ce4a8@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:05:28 +1000, Geoff Shang <geoff at hitsandpieces.net> wrote:
> Michael Smith wrote:
> 
> > We don't log "when a song was played", though - because icecast
> > doesn't know anything much about the data being streamed at all. We
> > could consider any change in metadata to be a 'new song', but that's
> > not very accurate.
> 
> Isn't this what the playlist log does?

Apparently. I didn't know about that feature. For the reasons I gave,
I wouldn't recommend using it.

Mike


From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Sun Mar  6 10:22:47 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:22:47 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Re: [Vorbis] AACplus
In-Reply-To: <20050301214207.GA8355@xiph.org>
References: <008001c51b2d$85d69cc0$8000a8c0@levis3>
	<20050301214207.GA8355@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503062013020.6161@data.home>

Monty wrote:

>> I'm seeing more and more streaming stations using AACplus, with many
>> listeners being amazed at the sound quality.  Most say that a 48kb/s sounds
>> better than a 128kb/s MP3,
>
> That's claiming a bit much.  Even against the original Blade this
> would require not paying much attention.  What's true is that the
> artifacts sound very different, so if you're listening for mp3-like
> high-end problems, you probably won't hear them.

You have to admit though that even Vorbis -q -1 in Vorbis 1.1 and aoTuV B3 
does sound pretty impressive at circa 48kbps.

>> which would put Ogg Vorbis at around 96kb/s IMO.
>
> Not really.  64kbps Ogg is still a little better than the 48kbps
> AAC+SBR we're talking about.

I've not heard any of the  AAC codecs, mainly due to the difficulties in 
playing them under lInux, but q -0 Vorbis compares very well (IMHO) to 
128kbps MP3.  Certainly q 1 does, and that's still only circa 80kbps.

> That's not to say the low bitrate AAC+SBR isn't very good; as a new
> codec, it's quite an improvement to classic AAC at low bitrates.  But
> many of the press-release claims are (understandibly) pushing the
> envelope of what is really believable.

I'll never forget what you wrote on the "Dare to Compare" Ogg Vorbis page. 
You were so convinced, simply by the hype, that WMA 8 was so good at low 
rates.  That was until you heard it.  This sounds like good advice to me - 
people should listen for themselves.

> Also, it's absolutely true that at the lowest bitrates (32/48kbps)
> AAC+SBR currently has a decent edge over Vorbis low bitrate.  Everyone
> is still moving forward and the lead changes back and forth.  The low
> bitrate race is pretty much down to new AAC and Ogg these days.  At
> low bitrate, AAC is ahead, at mid-bitrate Vorbis is still leading.

Have you had a chance to try out aoTuv B3 yet?  As far as I can remember, 
aoTuV's quality -2 sounds like quality -1 in Vorbis 1.0, but at 
considerably lower bitrates.

Geoff.



From slc at publicus.net  Sun Mar  6 22:10:34 2005
From: slc at publicus.net (Steven Clift)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 16:10:34 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] any smart archiving examples
Message-ID: <000001c52299$530ed9b0$6500a8c0@PUBLICUS2>


Is anyone out there particularly proud of their system for automated
archiving of live webcasts via Icecast? Zip me your URL and what tools
you used:

clift at publicus.net

Steve

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From bob at sofsis.cl  Sun Mar  6 19:15:07 2005
From: bob at sofsis.cl (Phillip Neumann)
Date: Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:15:07 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Ices0 v. 0.4  Skip Song
Message-ID: <422B56BB.9040304@sofsis.cl>

Hello all

Ive just discover that ices0 can encode {.ogg,.flac,.mp3}  to mp3 streams!..
greate!

the script thing is wonderfull. in my script i have defined

ices_init
ices_shutdown
ices_get_next

all works greate.

Now, i want be able users to skip the song that is been streamd.
for that,
kill  -s SIGUSR1 IcesPid
works greate

but.. for the songs i have setup a ranking field in a sql database.
When users skip it, it means i should lower the ranking..
how? doing a sql query

is there any change i can execute myscript_skip_function when ices0 
recieved the USR1 signal?

thanks you very much.

-- 




_________________________
Phillip Neumann
phillip at sofsis.cl

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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Sun Mar  6 23:06:17 2005
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 00:06:17 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] stream video
In-Reply-To: <1109903883.11951.14.camel@ckfc3>
References: <1109903883.11951.14.camel@ckfc3>
Message-ID: <422B8CE9.9090607@folkwang-hochschule.de>

http://www.oddsock.org/guides/video.php

Ck Tan wrote:
> hi all,
> 
> this is CK from malaysia, i'm new to doing the streaming and currently i
> had setup a box for icecast runnning FC3, with ices to play mp3.
> 
> Everything look nice, now i'm going to try for the video streaming but
> don't know how to start it. this is because i'm still not clear with the
> idea of how video streaming works. I had try to go throw the
> www.theora.org but since i can't get much of information there.
> 
> So, i need some documents or example how the theora work with icecast.
> I hope you might give me some information where i can get the idea of
> video streaming and also the instruction to pipe the theora to icecast.
> 
> one more question is currently i'm using unicast--one server and
> broadcast to everyone. It is quite heavy for me bandwidth to take care
> of my players, so do you have any idea to make streaming serve better?
> 
> again, thanks for all the team members who put a lot of effort to create
> icecast, it is pretty good for me and also my players.
> 
> thanks and regards
> 
> 
> 
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> 
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> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast


From carlos at zonacharrua.com  Sun Mar  6 23:59:17 2005
From: carlos at zonacharrua.com (ZONA)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:59:17 -0200
Subject: [Icecast] ogg
References: <000501c521b0$6ce5b000$611010ac@ITVaioJG>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503062009200.6161@data.home>
Message-ID: <00a101c522a8$86333480$0300000a@a>

Hi:

I am a new user of icecast, and I was wondering, wich source software, gives
the option of compressing to low bitrates an ogg stream (lower than 48
kbps).

Thanks:

CC



From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Mon Mar  7 00:03:06 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:03:06 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] ogg
In-Reply-To: <00a101c522a8$86333480$0300000a@a>
References: <000501c521b0$6ce5b000$611010ac@ITVaioJG>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503062009200.6161@data.home>
	<00a101c522a8$86333480$0300000a@a>
Message-ID: <3c173721050306160352ee2edc@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 6 Mar 2005 21:59:17 -0200, ZONA <carlos at zonacharrua.com> wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> I am a new user of icecast, and I was wondering, wich source software, gives
> the option of compressing to low bitrates an ogg stream (lower than 48
> kbps).

Most or all source clients that support ogg vorbis (I assume that's
what you meant - ogg is just a container format that can contain any
sort of media. Vorbis is the audio codec) can encode to any bitrate
supported by the vorbis encoder - which will allow you to get to very
low bitrates.

You'll probably need to resample the data though, if it's 44.1kHz
stereo. Most source clients have an option to do this - ices2 does,
for example. You might also want to use only mono, rather than stereo
(again, ices2 does this for you, if you configure it to).

Mike


From xiphmont at xiph.org  Sun Mar  6 10:44:04 2005
From: xiphmont at xiph.org (Monty)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 05:44:04 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Re: [Vorbis] AACplus
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503062013020.6161@data.home>
References: <008001c51b2d$85d69cc0$8000a8c0@levis3>
	<20050301214207.GA8355@xiph.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503062013020.6161@data.home>
Message-ID: <20050306104404.GC30912@xiph.org>


> Have you had a chance to try out aoTuv B3 yet?  As far as I can remember, 
> aoTuV's quality -2 sounds like quality -1 in Vorbis 1.0, but at 
> considerably lower bitrates.

Yes, including cursory analysis.  In the previous versions, Aoyumi
mostly tightened up the parameters of existing libvorbis (as well as
adding a HF slugger that mostly was a quick hack).  In AoTuV b3, his
work is much more original and 'moving forward'.  There's some very
nice temporal analysis and shaping going on that's beyond anything
I've done, and I'm pouring over it in detal with the time I have; i
think this version's going to teach the old dog a few new tricks.

His -q-2 isn't *quite* as good as current -q-1, but it's close and has
consistent/reliable behavior.  Make no mistake, AoTuV b3 is once again
a solid, noticable improvement over the stock libvorbis.

Monty 


From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Mon Mar  7 03:47:56 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 13:47:56 +1000
Subject: *****SUSPECTED SPAM***** [Icecast] ogg
In-Reply-To: <00a101c522a8$86333480$0300000a@a>
References: <000501c521b0$6ce5b000$611010ac@ITVaioJG>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503062009200.6161@data.home>
	<00a101c522a8$86333480$0300000a@a>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503071343210.11065@data.home>

ZONA wrote:

> I am a new user of icecast, and I was wondering, wich source software, gives
> the option of compressing to low bitrates an ogg stream (lower than 48
> kbps).

You don't say which operating system you're using.

I'd recommend using the aoTuV version of libvorbis as your encoder, as you 
can get 44.1kHz stereo as low as 35kbps using their quality -2 mode.  If 
you're using Linux/Unix, you can download the sources from 
http://www.geocities.jp/aoyoume/aotuv/ and use Ices or whatever against it. 
If you're using Windows, get Oddcast v3 from 
http://www.oddsock.org/tools/oddcastv3 and select the aoTuV tunings during 
the install.

Geoff.



From brendan at xiph.org  Mon Mar  7 04:20:34 2005
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Sun, 6 Mar 2005 20:20:34 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] Ices0 v. 0.4  Skip Song
In-Reply-To: <422B56BB.9040304@sofsis.cl>
References: <422B56BB.9040304@sofsis.cl>
Message-ID: <20050307042033.GA20014@watanabe.local>

On Sunday, 06 March 2005 at 19:15, Phillip Neumann wrote:
> but.. for the songs i have setup a ranking field in a sql database.
> When users skip it, it means i should lower the ranking..
> how? doing a sql query
> 
> is there any change i can execute myscript_skip_function when ices0 
> recieved the USR1 signal?

that feature isn't there, but you could certainly write a script
that sends USR1 to ices and then updates the database itself.


From eldesoky.lists at gmail.com  Mon Mar  7 09:38:06 2005
From: eldesoky.lists at gmail.com (Mohamed Eldesoky)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 11:38:06 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Ices0 v. 0.4 Skip Song
In-Reply-To: <422B56BB.9040304@sofsis.cl>
References: <422B56BB.9040304@sofsis.cl>
Message-ID: <1403218a0503070138487797b8@mail.gmail.com>

Willing to share the script ?


On Sun, 06 Mar 2005 19:15:07 +0000, Phillip Neumann <bob at sofsis.cl> wrote:
> Hello all
> 
> Ive just discover that ices0 can encode {.ogg,.flac,.mp3}  to mp3 streams!..
> greate!
> 
> the script thing is wonderfull. in my script i have defined
> 
> ices_init
> ices_shutdown
> ices_get_next
> 
> all works greate.
> 
> Now, i want be able users to skip the song that is been streamd.
> for that,
> kill  -s SIGUSR1 IcesPid
> works greate
> 
> but.. for the songs i have setup a ranking field in a sql database.
> When users skip it, it means i should lower the ranking..
> how? doing a sql query
> 
> is there any change i can execute myscript_skip_function when ices0
> recieved the USR1 signal?
> 
> thanks you very much.
> 
> --
> 
> 
> _________________________
> Phillip Neumann
> phillip at sofsis.cl
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
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> Icecast at xiph.org
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> 
> 
> 
> 


-- 
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www.eldesoky.net
RHCE


From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Mon Mar  7 10:24:27 2005
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Mon, 07 Mar 2005 11:24:27 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] [Patch] log ip of lagging clients
In-Reply-To: <1110080349.19200.46.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
References: <005401c521de$89bc4300$1201a8c0@ts>	<1110076595.19200.20.camel@bogus.hackers.club>	<00e601c521f8$d4b27b80$1201a8c0@ts>
	<1110080349.19200.46.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <422C2BDB.1060309@folkwang-hochschule.de>

hi mikhail !


the attached patch might do what you want.
it's against icecast-2.1-khpre7, but should apply to icecast-2.2.0 as well.

mike, karl, please apply.


regards,

j?rn



Karl Heyes wrote:
> On Sun, 2005-03-06 at 03:01, Mihail Egorov wrote:
> 
> 
>>Could you add client IP and may be id also?
> 
> 
> raise a report on bugs.xiph.org
> 
> karl.
> 
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From svarzi27 at inwind.it  Mon Mar  7 10:53:51 2005
From: svarzi27 at inwind.it (svarzi27 at inwind.it)
Date: Mon,  7 Mar 2005 11:53:51 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] admin interdace& binding
Message-ID: <ICZA9R$7716FB56725DC9B2ADD4F559864CD477@libero.it>

Hi to all,
I'm happly running icecast 2.1.0. In order to improve security I want the server
to deliver the administration pages on an ip or a port different from the one
it's using to answer client requests.
Is this possible?
Thanks in advance 
MM



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From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Mon Mar  7 12:08:24 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 23:08:24 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] admin interdace& binding
In-Reply-To: <ICZA9R$7716FB56725DC9B2ADD4F559864CD477@libero.it>
References: <ICZA9R$7716FB56725DC9B2ADD4F559864CD477@libero.it>
Message-ID: <3c173721050307040822c2225@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon,  7 Mar 2005 11:53:51 +0100, svarzi27 at inwind.it
<svarzi27 at inwind.it> wrote:
> Hi to all,
> I'm happly running icecast 2.1.0. In order to improve security I want the server
> to deliver the administration pages on an ip or a port different from the one
> it's using to answer client requests.
> Is this possible?
> Thanks in advance
> MM

Icecast can run on multiple ips/ports, but treats them all the same.
There's no way to restrict access to the admin pages other than by
username and password.

Mike


From matt at sprout.org  Mon Mar  7 16:12:08 2005
From: matt at sprout.org (Matt Boersma)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 09:12:08 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Icecast] any smart archiving examples
In-Reply-To: <000001c52299$530ed9b0$6500a8c0@PUBLICUS2>
References: <000001c52299$530ed9b0$6500a8c0@PUBLICUS2>
Message-ID: <54595.65.114.206.97.1110211928.squirrel@65.114.206.97>

On Sun, March 6, 2005 3:10 pm, Steven Clift said:
>
> Is anyone out there particularly proud of their system for automated
> archiving of live webcasts via Icecast? Zip me your URL and what tools
> you used:

Steve,

I wouldn't say I'm particularly proud of it, but at
KGNU (http://www.kgnu.org/) we use icecast 2.2.0 and
do automatic archives in a simple way.

We use a command-line web client (curl in our case) to
connect to the audio stream as just another listener.
To ensure that we don't get "server full," I created a
separate mountpoint that is just a local relay of the
main audio stream, and password-protected it.  The curl
command-line tool lets you specify both username and
password as well as the number of seconds to stay
connected, and also to capture the HTTP body to disk.
I wrapped those parameters in a simple shell script
that also accepts a program title to use for the filename,
and appends the current date and time before the filename
extension.

So it's something like:
capture_stream 7200 Democracy%20Now
from the command line.

Then I schedule all the significant programs we want to
capture by calling capture_stream from cron.

This is simple and reliable if you're on a UNIX-like
platform.  I'm sure there are other solutions.

Matt



From henk.vande.ridder at solcon.nl  Mon Mar  7 19:15:45 2005
From: henk.vande.ridder at solcon.nl (Henk van de Ridder)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 20:15:45 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] how can I identify disconnect due to low
Message-ID: <001d01c5234a$11d68270$6629a8c0@hvdr>

Hello Karl

In your reply in this case you mentinoned:

>>
>> Check your TCP buffers sizes as well, a larger RTT (ping) will require a
>> larger TCP window to maintain the same maximum bitrate.
>>
>> karl.

We had troubles with the problem of "disconnecting when client has fallen 
too far behind" and we solved it temporarily by increasing the queue-size 
and the number of threads, but it is just a workaround solution and it works 
because our listeners only listen during about 1- 1,5 hour.

Do you have some extra information around the impact of the size of the 
TCP-window in relation to this problem ? Our clients mostly have a dial-in 
connection. We are streaming with 16kbps or 24kbps

Thank you in advance for any information

With kind regards,
Henk vd Ridder




From karl at xiph.org  Mon Mar  7 21:23:01 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 07 Mar 2005 21:23:01 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] how can I identify disconnect due to low
In-Reply-To: <001d01c5234a$11d68270$6629a8c0@hvdr>
References: <001d01c5234a$11d68270$6629a8c0@hvdr>
Message-ID: <1110230580.32146.139.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 19:15, Henk van de Ridder wrote:

> Do you have some extra information around the impact of the size of the 
> TCP-window in relation to this problem ? Our clients mostly have a dial-in 
> connection. We are streaming with 16kbps or 24kbps

The TCP window is just the amount of un-acknowledged data in the
connection, so if the window size is too small then the connection is
throttled and the bitrate drops. That sort of thing would lead to a
client fallen too far behind. So it depends on the expected bitrate and
the round trip time (RTT, ping).

The simplest way is to make sure the server enables TCP window scaling
and check the listener OS for their TCP settings. Make sure they have
either TCP window scaling enabled or at least a large enough receive
window

karl.




From k.j.wierenga at home.nl  Mon Mar  7 22:01:40 2005
From: k.j.wierenga at home.nl (Klaas Jan Wierenga)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 23:01:40 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] high CPU load for large # sources?
Message-ID: <IPEHLPFNBAINJOFBPOBKGEEDGCAA.k.j.wierenga@home.nl>

Hi all,

I have an icecast setup with 20+ sources. During peak times some 20 sources
will be connected with a total of some 250 listeners more-or-less equally
divided over the 20 sources. All streams are running at a measly 16 kbps.
There is enough bandwidth to/from the server. During these peak times I see
very high CPU usage for icecast 98-99%. The system I'm running is an Intel
Celeron 2.4GHz running Fedora Linux 1. It does appear that the server is
happily serverving all clients, but what could cause the high CPU load?

Is every source (/mount) serviced by a different thread? How many threads
would I have then? My threadpool is set at 20. Could it be that the timeout
on poll/select of 250 in each thread causes Icecast to effectively busywait
since with 20 threads the actual time between the poll/select system calls
is reduced to ~10ms, the timeslice of Linux!

Here's the relevant part of my configuration file.

 <limits>
        <clients>2000</clients>
        <sources>100</sources>
        <threadpool>20</threadpool>
        <queue-size>512000</queue-size>
        <client-timeout>30</client-timeout>
        <header-timeout>30</header-timeout>
        <source-timeout>30</source-timeout>
        <burst-on-connect>1</burst-on-connect>
        <burst-size>20480</burst-size>
    </limits>


Has anyone else experienced high CPU load with Icecast?

Cheers,
KJ



From tgiorgetti at yahoo.com.br  Mon Mar  7 22:18:01 2005
From: tgiorgetti at yahoo.com.br (Giorgetti Tiago)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 19:18:01 -0300 (ART)
Subject: [Icecast] Socket Error?
Message-ID: <20050307221801.23573.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com>

Hi list!!

   I have some problems with ices, cant connect to
server...
   The Error Log :

 [2005-03-07  19:00:08] INFO
playlist-builtin/playlist_read Currently playing
"/Music/mr bungle - a dub.ogg"
[2005-03-07  19:00:08] EROR
stream/ices_instance_stream Failed initial connect to
172.16.0.13:8022 (Socket error: Success)
[2005-03-07  19:00:08] DBUG reencode/reencode_clear
Clearing reencoder
[2005-03-07  19:00:08] DBUG input/input_loop An
instance died, removing it
[2005-03-07  19:00:08] DBUG input/input_flush_queue
Input queue flush requested
[2005-03-07  19:00:08] INFO input/input_loop All
instances removed, shutting down...
[2005-03-07  19:00:08] INFO ices-core/main Shutdown
complete


Why dont connect, in my firewall.. the ports 8022 are
free, but i dont know if is that. ???

[]'s

Tiago Giorgetti



	
	
		
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From karl at xiph.org  Mon Mar  7 22:31:17 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 07 Mar 2005 22:31:17 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] high CPU load for large # sources?
In-Reply-To: <IPEHLPFNBAINJOFBPOBKGEEDGCAA.k.j.wierenga@home.nl>
References: <IPEHLPFNBAINJOFBPOBKGEEDGCAA.k.j.wierenga@home.nl>
Message-ID: <1110234677.32146.167.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 22:01, Klaas Jan Wierenga wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I have an icecast setup with 20+ sources. During peak times some 20 sources
> will be connected with a total of some 250 listeners more-or-less equally
> divided over the 20 sources. All streams are running at a measly 16 kbps.
> There is enough bandwidth to/from the server. During these peak times I see
> very high CPU usage for icecast 98-99%. The system I'm running is an Intel
> Celeron 2.4GHz running Fedora Linux 1. It does appear that the server is
> happily serverving all clients, but what could cause the high CPU load?

I've only seen a busy CPU report on OS X which was relating to the file
serving.

> Is every source (/mount) serviced by a different thread? How many threads
> would I have then? My threadpool is set at 20. Could it be that the timeout
> on poll/select of 250 in each thread causes Icecast to effectively busywait
> since with 20 threads the actual time between the poll/select system calls
> is reduced to ~10ms, the timeslice of Linux!

Each source is handled by a separate thread, but there's no relationship
between those and threadpool, it's unlikely that a thread pool of more
than 2 or 3 is ever useful.

If poll/select are returning continuously before 250 ms then it's either
signal related (unlikely) or some fd has triggered, the poll timeout can
also drop to 0 on client bursts, but those are short lived.

I would determine which thread(s) are busy from ps, then use 

strace -o output.txt -p <thread of busy icecast>

ctrl-C it after a few seconds, then email the output.txt file to me.

karl.





From k.j.wierenga at home.nl  Mon Mar  7 22:33:17 2005
From: k.j.wierenga at home.nl (Klaas Jan Wierenga)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 23:33:17 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] high CPU load for large # sources?
In-Reply-To: <1110234677.32146.167.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <IPEHLPFNBAINJOFBPOBKIEEEGCAA.k.j.wierenga@home.nl>

Ok Karl,

Thanks for your help, I'll send the strace output after the next 'peak time'
:-).
You reply did ring a bell with me. I have fileserving on and it is also not
unlikely that someone is downloading a recorded broadcast.... silly me. I'll
investigate further when the situation arises again.

Cheers,
KJ

-----Oorspronkelijk bericht-----
Van: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org]
Verzonden: maandag 7 maart 2005 23:31
Aan: Klaas Jan Wierenga
CC: icecast
Onderwerp: Re: [Icecast] high CPU load for large # sources?


On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 22:01, Klaas Jan Wierenga wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have an icecast setup with 20+ sources. During peak times some 20
sources
> will be connected with a total of some 250 listeners more-or-less equally
> divided over the 20 sources. All streams are running at a measly 16 kbps.
> There is enough bandwidth to/from the server. During these peak times I
see
> very high CPU usage for icecast 98-99%. The system I'm running is an Intel
> Celeron 2.4GHz running Fedora Linux 1. It does appear that the server is
> happily serverving all clients, but what could cause the high CPU load?

I've only seen a busy CPU report on OS X which was relating to the file
serving.

> Is every source (/mount) serviced by a different thread? How many threads
> would I have then? My threadpool is set at 20. Could it be that the
timeout
> on poll/select of 250 in each thread causes Icecast to effectively
busywait
> since with 20 threads the actual time between the poll/select system calls
> is reduced to ~10ms, the timeslice of Linux!

Each source is handled by a separate thread, but there's no relationship
between those and threadpool, it's unlikely that a thread pool of more
than 2 or 3 is ever useful.

If poll/select are returning continuously before 250 ms then it's either
signal related (unlikely) or some fd has triggered, the poll timeout can
also drop to 0 on client bursts, but those are short lived.

I would determine which thread(s) are busy from ps, then use

strace -o output.txt -p <thread of busy icecast>

ctrl-C it after a few seconds, then email the output.txt file to me.

karl.





From karl at xiph.org  Mon Mar  7 22:43:08 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 07 Mar 2005 22:43:08 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Socket Error?
In-Reply-To: <20050307221801.23573.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050307221801.23573.qmail@web50307.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1110235388.32146.180.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Mon, 2005-03-07 at 22:18, Giorgetti Tiago wrote:
> Hi list!!
> 
>    I have some problems with ices, cant connect to
> server...
>    The Error Log :

socket error is what you receive if the connection is dropped, which is
usually down to being unable to connect or a source authentication
error. There are other cases like a stream already connected with that
mountpoint or a sources limit reached.

To check for a firewall blocking possibility, on the machine where ices
is, try getting the /status.xsl page, either with a normal browser or
with something like curl/wget.  If it's being blocked then they will
also fail to connect.

The auth case can be checked by looking in the error.log, you should see
a failed source connection. With that you have to make sure the auth
matches for it to work.


karl.




From flashl at cox.net  Mon Mar  7 23:49:48 2005
From: flashl at cox.net (Flash Love)
Date: Mon, 7 Mar 2005 17:49:48 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] New User Installation: Questions about live streaming
Message-ID: <200503071749.48623.flashl@cox.net>

I recently installed icecast and iceS and all seems to be well. 

I have spent four days trying to understand and use darkice and finally gave 
up. Using darkice configuration:

[general]
duration = 0 # do it forever
bufferSecs = 10
[input]
#device=hw:0,0
device = /dev/dsp
sampleRate = 22050 # 44100 or 22050 or 11025...
bitsPerSample = 16 #16 bit samples
channel = 2 # 1 for mono, 2 means stereo.
[icecast-0]
bitrateMode = vbr # cbr, abr or vbr...
quality = 0.8
server = localhost
port = 8000
password = password
name = Br
description = This is only a trial
mountPoint = sample96
url = http://127.0.0.1
genre = my own
public = yes

At startup, I can not get pass the message:
DarkIce 0.14 live audio streamer, http://darkice.sourceforge.net
Copyright (c) 2000-2004, Tyrell Hungary, http://tyrell.hu

Using config file: ./darkice.cfg
Using OSS DSP input device: /dev/dsp
17:30:43: encoding
17:30:43: scheduler high priority 99
17:30:43: Using POSIX real-time scheduling, priority 98
17:30:43: BufferedSink, new peak: 0
17:30:43: BufferedSink, remaining: 163840
17:30:43: BufferedSink, new peak: 7
17:30:43: BufferedSink, remaining: 163833
17:30:43: BufferedSink, new peak: 22
17:30:43: BufferedSink, remaining: 163818

DarkIce: LameLibEncoder.cpp:75: lame lib opening underlying sink error [0]

netstat -na|grep 800
tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:8000                0.0.0.0:*                   
LISTEN
tcp        0      0 0.0.0.0:8001                0.0.0.0:*                   
LISTEN
tcp        0      0 192.168.2.2:33003           192.168.2.2:8000            
ESTABLISHED
tcp        0      0 192.168.2.2:8000            192.168.2.2:33003           
ESTABLISHED

I believe that I read somewhere that the "sink error" is a hostname error?? I 
would really like to see it work, but do not know what else to try. From 
here, I attempted to compile and use liveice. It compiles and then complains 
after issuing "make install":
make: ./mkdirs: Command not found
make: *** [installdirs] Error 127

A locate produces no results for mkdirs.

So, I then moved on MuSE, which is running. Now my unanswered question that I 
have posed several times on #icecast irc. I am trying to understand how voice 
is added to the stream. I can hear myself speaking through the speakers on 
the icecast host, but not with a client. What else do I need to configure to 
hear my voice on the client?

Thanks
Flash





From darkeye at tyrell.hu  Tue Mar  8 00:07:09 2005
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Tue, 08 Mar 2005 01:07:09 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] New User Installation: Questions about live streaming
In-Reply-To: <200503071749.48623.flashl@cox.net>
References: <200503071749.48623.flashl@cox.net>
Message-ID: <422CECAD.7070900@tyrell.hu>

Flash Love wrote:

 > DarkIce: LameLibEncoder.cpp:75: lame lib opening underlying sink 
error [0]


this generally means that darkice couldn't connect to icecast for some 
reason. please double check that you are indeed using icecast 1.x (not 
2, or specify an icecast2 section in darkice instead), that the host 
name, port and password are all correct.


Akos


From stephane.peron at anaximandre.com  Tue Mar  8 16:37:37 2005
From: stephane.peron at anaximandre.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_P=E9ron?=)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 17:37:37 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] relay + fallback
Message-ID: <61661EA2-8FF0-11D9-8576-000A958D46CE@anaximandre.com>

Is there a way to have a fallback for a relayed mountpoint ?
Something like this ?

<relay>
         <server>192.128.0.2</server>
         <port>8000</port>
         <mount>/arelayer</mount>
         <local-mount>/arvorig</local-mount>
         <fallback-mount>/secours</fallback-mount>
         <fallback-override>1</fallback-override>
  </relay>
<mount>
         <mount-name>/secours</mount-name>
</mount>

If this is not correct, is there another way to do it ?

Stephane




From karl at xiph.org  Tue Mar  8 16:50:21 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 08 Mar 2005 16:50:21 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] relay + fallback
In-Reply-To: <61661EA2-8FF0-11D9-8576-000A958D46CE@anaximandre.com>
References: <61661EA2-8FF0-11D9-8576-000A958D46CE@anaximandre.com>
Message-ID: <1110300620.519.25.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Tue, 2005-03-08 at 16:37, St?phane P?ron wrote:
> Is there a way to have a fallback for a relayed mountpoint ?
> Something like this ?
> 
> <relay>
>          <server>192.128.0.2</server>
>          <port>8000</port>
>          <mount>/arelayer</mount>
>          <local-mount>/arvorig</local-mount>
>          <fallback-mount>/secours</fallback-mount>
>          <fallback-override>1</fallback-override>
>   </relay>
> <mount>
>          <mount-name>/secours</mount-name>
> </mount>
> 
> If this is not correct, is there another way to do it ?

no, the 2 fallback options go in the <mount> section no the relay
section

karl.




From flashl at cox.net  Tue Mar  8 21:12:27 2005
From: flashl at cox.net (Flash Love)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:12:27 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] New User Installation: Questions about live streaming
In-Reply-To: <422CECAD.7070900@tyrell.hu>
References: <200503071749.48623.flashl@cox.net> <422CECAD.7070900@tyrell.hu>
Message-ID: <200503081512.29026.flashl@cox.net>

I am still working to insert mic in a stream. I found a walkthru 
here:http://www.daniweb.com/techtalkforums/thread6875.html and I have been 
trying to get ices to accept the sample script. I am seeing the complaint: 

XML Parser: Document of invalid type, no ices namespace found
Logfile opened
Could not find a valid playlist file.
Ices Exiting...
 
As far as I can tell, the config file's syntax is correct. What else should I 
look for?

Flash 


From rt7 at bk.ru  Tue Mar  8 23:17:07 2005
From: rt7 at bk.ru (Mihail Egorov)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 02:17:07 +0300
Subject: [Icecast] how to dump and save icecast stream -- wget? curl?
Message-ID: <003401c52434$fca1f920$1201a8c0@ts>

Most interesting is VP6 stream produced by NSV tools. May wget or curl
experience problems due to specific headers?






From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Tue Mar  8 23:53:40 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:53:40 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] New User Installation: Questions about live streaming
In-Reply-To: <200503081512.29026.flashl@cox.net>
References: <200503071749.48623.flashl@cox.net> <422CECAD.7070900@tyrell.hu>
	<200503081512.29026.flashl@cox.net>
Message-ID: <3c17372105030815537fc1fdcd@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 15:12:27 -0600, Flash Love <flashl at cox.net> wrote:
> I am still working to insert mic in a stream. I found a walkthru
> here:http://www.daniweb.com/techtalkforums/thread6875.html and I have been
> trying to get ices to accept the sample script. I am seeing the complaint:
> 
> XML Parser: Document of invalid type, no ices namespace found
> Logfile opened
> Could not find a valid playlist file.
> Ices Exiting...
> 
> As far as I can tell, the config file's syntax is correct. What else should I
> look for?

If you have an ices2 config file, you'll need to use it with ices2,
not with ices 0.x.

As for your original questions, we can't really help you with such
general questions as "I want a microphone in my stream". You need to
be much, much more specific about what you're trying to do. I suspect
the problem is that you haven't set your mixer settings correctly, but
that's just a guess.

Mike


From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Wed Mar  9 00:04:13 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 10:04:13 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] New User Installation: Questions about live streaming
In-Reply-To: <200503081512.29026.flashl@cox.net>
References: <200503071749.48623.flashl@cox.net> <422CECAD.7070900@tyrell.hu>
	<200503081512.29026.flashl@cox.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503091000230.11065@data.home>

Flash Love wrote:

> XML Parser: Document of invalid type, no ices namespace found

Certainly in my browser, the formatting gets fairly mangled, although it is 
valid.  Sounds like you've got the <ices> bit at the beginning of the file 
missing, for example.

Since the ices-live.xml comes with ices anyway, I'd recommend just editing 
that.  "make install" has probably put it in $prefix/share/ices or 
something, but it's also in the conf dir of the source tree if you can't 
find it.

Geoff.



From christopher at barsuk.com  Wed Mar  9 00:03:50 2005
From: christopher at barsuk.com (Christopher Possanza)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:03:50 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] trouble installing icecast
Message-ID: <200503090003.j2903rn17193@server1.barsuk.com>

Hello -

I'm not a Unix guru, but I can get around okay.  I'm trying to build icecast
on my system, but when I run the configure program, it ends with the
following error:

"XSLT configuration could not be found"

I could send you the config.log, if that helps.  I'm not sure how to solve
this error -- can you provide any pointers?  I do have libxslt.so on my
system. 

Much thanks.

-Christopher
christopher at barsuk.com



From brendan at xiph.org  Wed Mar  9 00:18:01 2005
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 16:18:01 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] trouble installing icecast
In-Reply-To: <200503090003.j2903rn17193@server1.barsuk.com>
References: <200503090003.j2903rn17193@server1.barsuk.com>
Message-ID: <20050309001801.GA15169@okanagan.cs.ubc.ca>

On Tuesday, 08 March 2005 at 16:03, Christopher Possanza wrote:
> Hello -
> 
> I'm not a Unix guru, but I can get around okay.  I'm trying to build icecast
> on my system, but when I run the configure program, it ends with the
> following error:
> 
> "XSLT configuration could not be found"

you need the headers and the xslt-config program as well as the
library. These are probably in a package called something like
libxslt-devel or libxslt-dev, depending on your distribution. Also
make sure that xslt-config is in your PATH before you run configure
(in case you're not using a libxslt package).

> -Christopher
> christopher at barsuk.com

Great label, by the way.


From carlos at zonacharrua.com  Wed Mar  9 00:43:52 2005
From: carlos at zonacharrua.com (ZONA)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:43:52 -0200
Subject: [Icecast] vorbis ogg vs. aac
References: <200503090003.j2903rn17193@server1.barsuk.com>
	<20050309001801.GA15169@okanagan.cs.ubc.ca>
Message-ID: <002201c52441$176200a0$0300000a@a>

Hi folks:

this is my second question at this list and I wanted to mention that with
answers and guides I got from 2 persons last time, I got a quite low rate
stream in vorbis ogg, in about 5 minutes after reading what you wrote-
Thanks!
Well after that, I pointed my attention to the so called AAC, and after
tweaking a bit I got my AAC stream up and connected to Icecast serv.
I was a bit dissapointed about AAC, as I thought this was better
encoding/compression than OGG. I alpologise if I express my selv badly about
the technical detail, but the thing is that at low bitrates (lets say
between 20 and 80 kbps) OGG sounds a lot better than AAC.
As I still believe AAC is a really good one, maybe somebody can tell a
little about where or how I can get the best result with it.
(I can hear an anoying sound "behind" the good one, something like
metal/glass chorus at low rates with aac).

Thanks:

CC



From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Wed Mar  9 00:48:50 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 11:48:50 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] vorbis ogg vs. aac
In-Reply-To: <002201c52441$176200a0$0300000a@a>
References: <200503090003.j2903rn17193@server1.barsuk.com>
	<20050309001801.GA15169@okanagan.cs.ubc.ca>
	<002201c52441$176200a0$0300000a@a>
Message-ID: <3c17372105030816481004f8f9@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 8 Mar 2005 22:43:52 -0200, ZONA <carlos at zonacharrua.com> wrote:
> Hi folks:
> 
> this is my second question at this list and I wanted to mention that with
> answers and guides I got from 2 persons last time, I got a quite low rate
> stream in vorbis ogg, in about 5 minutes after reading what you wrote-
> Thanks!
> Well after that, I pointed my attention to the so called AAC, and after
> tweaking a bit I got my AAC stream up and connected to Icecast serv.
> I was a bit dissapointed about AAC, as I thought this was better
> encoding/compression than OGG. I alpologise if I express my selv badly about
> the technical detail, but the thing is that at low bitrates (lets say
> between 20 and 80 kbps) OGG sounds a lot better than AAC.
> As I still believe AAC is a really good one, maybe somebody can tell a
> little about where or how I can get the best result with it.
> (I can hear an anoying sound "behind" the good one, something like
> metal/glass chorus at low rates with aac).


Ogg Vorbis is the format we recommend for both high quality or low
bitrate. The downside of it is worse compatibility than mp3 - not
everyone has a vorbis player, yet. AAC has compatibility problems too,
and generally doesn't exceed vorbis in quality, so you're on the right
track - use vorbis instead of AAC!

Mike


From xiphmont at xiph.org  Wed Mar  9 00:56:13 2005
From: xiphmont at xiph.org (Monty)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 19:56:13 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] vorbis ogg vs. aac
In-Reply-To: <3c17372105030816481004f8f9@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200503090003.j2903rn17193@server1.barsuk.com>
	<20050309001801.GA15169@okanagan.cs.ubc.ca>
	<002201c52441$176200a0$0300000a@a>
	<3c17372105030816481004f8f9@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20050309005613.GA24746@xiph.org>




On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 11:48:50AM +1100, Michael Smith wrote:
> 
> Ogg Vorbis is the format we recommend for both high quality or low
> bitrate. The downside of it is worse compatibility than mp3 - not
> everyone has a vorbis player, yet. AAC has compatibility problems too,
> and generally doesn't exceed vorbis in quality, so you're on the right
> track - use vorbis instead of AAC!

Although I appreciate the sentiment, it sounds as if you may actually
be looking at the wrong AAC.  AAC is a collection of related codecs
all named AAC (in MPEG parlance, the different codecs are called
'profiles') and only one of them, the latest/greatest SBR variant, is
actually any good at low bitrate.  I'm guessing that the encoder you
found doesn't actually support the AAC 'HE' profile, which is the
profile you'd want to evaluate for streaming.  The others don't
generally compare well to Vorbis.

Monty


From xiphmont at xiph.org  Wed Mar  9 01:02:56 2005
From: xiphmont at xiph.org (Monty)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:02:56 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] vorbis ogg vs. aac
In-Reply-To: <20050309005613.GA24746@xiph.org>
References: <200503090003.j2903rn17193@server1.barsuk.com>
	<20050309001801.GA15169@okanagan.cs.ubc.ca>
	<002201c52441$176200a0$0300000a@a>
	<3c17372105030816481004f8f9@mail.gmail.com>
	<20050309005613.GA24746@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <20050309010256.GB24746@xiph.org>


Well, that response wasn't to Mike, but rather the person Mike was
responding to :-)

Monty


On Tue, Mar 08, 2005 at 07:56:13PM -0500, Monty wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Wed, Mar 09, 2005 at 11:48:50AM +1100, Michael Smith wrote:
> > 
> > Ogg Vorbis is the format we recommend for both high quality or low
> > bitrate. The downside of it is worse compatibility than mp3 - not
> > everyone has a vorbis player, yet. AAC has compatibility problems too,
> > and generally doesn't exceed vorbis in quality, so you're on the right
> > track - use vorbis instead of AAC!
> 
> Although I appreciate the sentiment, it sounds as if you may actually
> be looking at the wrong AAC.  AAC is a collection of related codecs
> all named AAC (in MPEG parlance, the different codecs are called
> 'profiles') and only one of them, the latest/greatest SBR variant, is
> actually any good at low bitrate.  I'm guessing that the encoder you
> found doesn't actually support the AAC 'HE' profile, which is the
> profile you'd want to evaluate for streaming.  The others don't
> generally compare well to Vorbis.
> 
> Monty
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
> 
> 


From flashl at cox.net  Wed Mar  9 02:07:16 2005
From: flashl at cox.net (Flash Love)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 20:07:16 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] New User Installation: Questions about live streaming
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503091000230.11065@data.home>
References: <200503071749.48623.flashl@cox.net>
	<200503081512.29026.flashl@cox.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503091000230.11065@data.home>
Message-ID: <200503082007.17283.flashl@cox.net>

My short term goal, is to stream mp3 and add input from the mic (my voice) 
into the stream. Long term goal, internet radio with music, talk, and request 
on demand.

I downloaded, compiled, and configured ices-0.4.tar using ices.conf.dist (mp3 
files are streaming and clients [winamp, win media] connect OK). In 
the /download/ices-0.4/conf directory there are four files: ices.conf.dist, 
ices.conf.dist.in, ices.pm.dist, and ices.py.dist. 

I have used aumix to ensure that the mic is set to "R" and verified the 
settings for Line-in, PCM, and I-Gain. Then, I modified the ices.conf.dist 
file to use the example configuration. 

When using "<ices:Configuration 
xmlns:ices="http://www.icecast.org/projects/ices">", ices complain:
Unknown Node: background
Unknown Node: logpath
Unknown Node: logfile
Unknown Node: logsize
Unknown Node: loglevel
Unknown Node: consolelog
Unknown Node: stream
 
When using "<ices>, ices complaint:
XML Parser: Document of invalid type, no ices namespace found
Logfile opened
Could not find a valid playlist file.
Ices Exiting...

The only changes are on lines 2 and last line in the config file. Is 
ices-0.4.tar.gz the latest?

Flash

On Tuesday 08 March 2005 06:04 pm, Geoff Shang wrote:

> Flash Love wrote:
> > XML Parser: Document of invalid type, no ices namespace found
>
> Certainly in my browser, the formatting gets fairly mangled, although it is
> valid.  Sounds like you've got the <ices> bit at the beginning of the file
> missing, for example.
>
> Since the ices-live.xml comes with ices anyway, I'd recommend just editing
> that.  "make install" has probably put it in $prefix/share/ices or
> something, but it's also in the conf dir of the source tree if you can't
> find it.
>
> Geoff.
>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast


From ross at stationplaylist.com  Wed Mar  9 03:11:19 2005
From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:11:19 +1300
Subject: [Icecast] vorbis ogg vs. aac
Message-ID: <003301c52455$aa841490$8000a8c0@levis3>

Standard AAC is on a par with Ogg Vorbis in my opinion, but it depends 
what type of encoder you are using as there are several.  The only 
"free" encoder I know of doesn't use all the AAC techniques to provide 
the best sound quality and is worse than OV.

The thread I started the other day was about AACPlus and not AAC. 
AACPlus provides much improved sound quality over standard AAC, and OV 
unfortunately.

But based on Monty's comments, he may be (hopefully!) re-directing his 
attention back to Vorbis for a while and OV will eventually regain the 
lead in the sound quality versus bitrate wars.

Regards,
Ross.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "ZONA" <carlos at zonacharrua.com>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 09, 2005 1:43 PM
Subject: [Icecast] vorbis ogg vs. aac


Hi folks:

this is my second question at this list and I wanted to mention that 
with
answers and guides I got from 2 persons last time, I got a quite low 
rate
stream in vorbis ogg, in about 5 minutes after reading what you wrote-
Thanks!
Well after that, I pointed my attention to the so called AAC, and after
tweaking a bit I got my AAC stream up and connected to Icecast serv.
I was a bit dissapointed about AAC, as I thought this was better
encoding/compression than OGG. I alpologise if I express my selv badly 
about
the technical detail, but the thing is that at low bitrates (lets say
between 20 and 80 kbps) OGG sounds a lot better than AAC.
As I still believe AAC is a really good one, maybe somebody can tell a
little about where or how I can get the best result with it.
(I can hear an anoying sound "behind" the good one, something like
metal/glass chorus at low rates with aac).

Thanks:

CC



From brendan at xiph.org  Wed Mar  9 03:14:26 2005
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Tue, 8 Mar 2005 19:14:26 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] New User Installation: Questions about live streaming
In-Reply-To: <200503082007.17283.flashl@cox.net>
References: <200503071749.48623.flashl@cox.net>
	<200503081512.29026.flashl@cox.net>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503091000230.11065@data.home>
	<200503082007.17283.flashl@cox.net>
Message-ID: <20050309031426.GB23255@watanabe.local>

On Tuesday, 08 March 2005 at 20:07, Flash Love wrote:
> My short term goal, is to stream mp3 and add input from the mic (my voice) 
> into the stream. Long term goal, internet radio with music, talk, and request 
> on demand.

ices 0.4 can't do live input. If you need to do MP3, you might try
liveice or darkice. Otherwise, ices2 is probably what you want.


From mlabash at babylabash.com  Wed Mar  9 10:46:24 2005
From: mlabash at babylabash.com (Michael LaBash)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 02:46:24 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] ogg stream up and running
Message-ID: <p0611041bbe548305aa51@[63.192.39.198]>

thanks to all who helped! our ogg vorbis stream is up and running at 
www.luver.com http://69.20.57.94:8000/live.ogg

Anyone know how to pull Artist/Song info and put it on a web page for 
people to go to see and maybe even display the last few songs that 
have played?

-- 
Michael LaBash
--------------------
New Possibilities Design
http://www.babylabash.com
Lavapen.com illustration
http://www.lavapen
Listen to Love Underground Visionary Revolution (LUVeR)
http://www.luver.com
Listen to LUVeR Alternative News
http://www.luver.org


From flashl at cox.net  Wed Mar  9 11:40:11 2005
From: flashl at cox.net (Flash Love)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 05:40:11 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] New User Installation: Questions about live streaming
In-Reply-To: <20050309031426.GB23255@watanabe.local>
References: <200503071749.48623.flashl@cox.net>
	<200503082007.17283.flashl@cox.net>
	<20050309031426.GB23255@watanabe.local>
Message-ID: <200503090540.11960.flashl@cox.net>

Mp3 is the format of the music that I have presently, I am open to using other 
formats. I do have darkice compiled and able to access the icecast server. 
While studying how to use darkice with icecast and after reading several 
online discussions, I was convinced that maybe darkice was not the answer.

I have a labtec headphone with mic and headset plugs into the respective ports 
on the soundcard. I have darkice connecting to icecast server, checked the 
mixer settings with amuix, and know that mic is working becase I can hear 
myself thru the speakers.  However, the walkthru mentioned earlier, advised 
to plug headset into speaker port and I could not get any further with mic 
input with that configuration.

Any help with be greatly appreciated.

Thanks
Flash
   
On Tuesday 08 March 2005 09:14 pm, Brendan Cully wrote:
> On Tuesday, 08 March 2005 at 20:07, Flash Love wrote:
> > My short term goal, is to stream mp3 and add input from the mic (my
> > voice) into the stream. Long term goal, internet radio with music, talk,
> > and request on demand.
>
> ices 0.4 can't do live input. If you need to do MP3, you might try
> liveice or darkice. Otherwise, ices2 is probably what you want.


From qfactor at gwi.net  Wed Mar  9 13:57:45 2005
From: qfactor at gwi.net (Dean Machine)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 08:57:45 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] install help
Message-ID: <36AB0861-90A3-11D9-9FF4-0030657C4552@gwi.net>

I am setting up an audio stream for our local LPFM radio station on Mac 
OS X.  I have a Shoutcast server up and running but would like to 
explore Icecast as well.  I am but a novice programmer and need to find 
a source of step by step instructions.  I have downloaded the server 
and other necessary packages but have been unable to put the pieces 
together.  Can you direct me to a source of "simple" instructions?  
Thanks for any help.
DEAN
WRFR-LP 93.3 FM
Rockland, Maine



From eldesoky.lists at gmail.com  Wed Mar  9 15:19:35 2005
From: eldesoky.lists at gmail.com (Mohamed Eldesoky)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 17:19:35 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Streaming live from windows
Message-ID: <1403218a05030907196ada9226@mail.gmail.com>

I want to do live streaming from the mic from windows machine.
Which applications do you recommend ??

-- 
Mohamed Eldesoky
www.eldesoky.net
RHCE


From eldesoky.lists at gmail.com  Wed Mar  9 15:33:55 2005
From: eldesoky.lists at gmail.com (Mohamed Eldesoky)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 17:33:55 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Streaming live from windows
In-Reply-To: <529512676.20050309163110@chatlabel.de>
References: <1403218a05030907196ada9226@mail.gmail.com>
	<529512676.20050309163110@chatlabel.de>
Message-ID: <1403218a050309073352e8e796@mail.gmail.com>

Sorry,
Forgot to say that I am looking for free software


On Wed, 9 Mar 2005 16:31:10 +0100, Carsten Henkel <carsten at chatlabel.de> wrote:
> Guten Tag Mohamed Eldesoky,
> 
> Am Mittwoch, 9. M?rz 2005 um 16:19 schrieben Sie:
> 
> ME> I want to do live streaming from the mic from windows machine.
> ME> Which applications do you recommend ??
> 
> sam3 http://www.spacialaudio.com/products/sambroadcaster/
> 
> have a nice day
> 
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> 
> Das Undurchsichtige durchschauen wir ziemlich rasch, aber f?r das Sonnenklare brauchen wir meist l?nger.
> 
> dieser Text ist zuf?llig gew?hlt und hat nichts mit dem Empf?nger der e-Mail zu tun.
> 
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> 
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> 
> 


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From mihamina at mail.rktmb.org  Wed Mar  9 15:37:32 2005
From: mihamina at mail.rktmb.org (Rakotomandimby (R12y) Mihamina)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:37:32 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Streaming live from windows
In-Reply-To: <1403218a050309073352e8e796@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1403218a05030907196ada9226@mail.gmail.com>
	<529512676.20050309163110@chatlabel.de>
	<1403218a050309073352e8e796@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1110382653.6154.13.camel@fctmp>

On Wed, 2005-03-09 at 17:33 +0200, Mohamed Eldesoky wrote:
> Sorry,
> Forgot to say that I am looking for free software

Forget Windows!
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From mihamina at mail.rktmb.org  Wed Mar  9 15:57:19 2005
From: mihamina at mail.rktmb.org (Rakotomandimby (R12y) Mihamina)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 16:57:19 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Streaming live from windows
In-Reply-To: <1166339219.20050309164155@chatlabel.de>
References: <1403218a05030907196ada9226@mail.gmail.com>
	<529512676.20050309163110@chatlabel.de>
	<1403218a050309073352e8e796@mail.gmail.com>
	<1110382653.6154.13.camel@fctmp>
	<1166339219.20050309164155@chatlabel.de>
Message-ID: <1110383839.6154.16.camel@fctmp>

On Wed, 2005-03-09 at 16:41 +0100, Carsten Henkel wrote:
> Guten Tag Rakotomandimby (R12y) Mihamina,
> Am Mittwoch, 9. M?rz 2005 um 16:37 schrieben Sie:
> RRM> On Wed, 2005-03-09 at 17:33 +0200, Mohamed Eldesoky wrote:
> >> Forgot to say that I am looking for free software
> RRM> Forget Windows!
> right, but not his question *gg

1) Check who are you replying to. Always chek you're replying to the
list

2) You can use winamp with oddcast to record from mic, then be a source
for an Icecast. isn't it?
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From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Wed Mar  9 16:03:07 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:03:07 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Streaming live from windows
In-Reply-To: <1403218a05030907196ada9226@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1403218a05030907196ada9226@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503100200570.11065@data.home>

Hi,

You can use the Oddsock plugin from oddcast.org which can do this, 
in conjunction with Winamp (not open source) or Foobar2000 (not sure, might 
be open source).  How complicated you want to make the setup will depend on 
exactly what you want to do.

Geoff.



From mike at altrion.org  Wed Mar  9 18:49:43 2005
From: mike at altrion.org (Mike Whitaker)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 18:49:43 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] encoder->server->listener lag
Message-ID: <2413ca2f90912072313c1725efdca038@altrion.org>

We're running a setup with M3W on a PC in Sri Lanka, encoding to a 
server in the UK. What factors govern the time delay between things 
being said to the microphone in SL and heard by a client connecting to 
the server, and how can we reduce it as much as possible? Currently 
we're experiencing 20-30 secs or more.



From karl at xiph.org  Wed Mar  9 21:09:14 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 09 Mar 2005 21:09:14 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] encoder->server->listener lag
In-Reply-To: <2413ca2f90912072313c1725efdca038@altrion.org>
References: <2413ca2f90912072313c1725efdca038@altrion.org>
Message-ID: <1110402548.1762.63.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Wed, 2005-03-09 at 18:49, Mike Whitaker wrote:
> We're running a setup with M3W on a PC in Sri Lanka, encoding to a 
> server in the UK. What factors govern the time delay between things 
> being said to the microphone in SL and heard by a client connecting to 
> the server, and how can we reduce it as much as possible? Currently 
> we're experiencing 20-30 secs or more.

The main 2 factors (which are related) are the prebuffer size of the
listening client (eg 64kbytes) and the burst size in icecast (which is
used to fill the clients prebuffer quickly).

Reduce them both to the smallest you think you can get away with. For
example a burst-size 0 and client prebuffer 8 kbytes will mean icecast
starts the listener at the latest data received and the client will only
wait until 8 kbytes is received before playback.

The problem you have with low latency is that your listeners become more
susceptible to network lag.

karl.




From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Wed Mar  9 21:18:37 2005
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:18:37 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Streaming live from windows
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503100200570.11065@data.home>
References: <1403218a05030907196ada9226@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503100200570.11065@data.home>
Message-ID: <422F682D.7000704@folkwang-hochschule.de>

Geoff Shang wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> You can use the Oddsock plugin from oddcast.org which can do this, in 
> conjunction with Winamp (not open source) or Foobar2000 (not sure, might 
> be open source).  

definitely open source, and a recommendation, since it does not *beep* 
with the registry too much, has a clean, no bullshit interface, supports 
a large number of codecs and is one of the few players that will work 
with restricted privileges on w2k.



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Wed Mar  9 23:05:40 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 09:05:40 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] encoder->server->listener lag
In-Reply-To: <1110402548.1762.63.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
References: <2413ca2f90912072313c1725efdca038@altrion.org>
	<1110402548.1762.63.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503100904140.11065@data.home>

Karl Heyes wrote:

> example a burst-size 0 and client prebuffer 8 kbytes will mean icecast
> starts the listener at the latest data received and the client will only
> wait until 8 kbytes is received before playback.

Of course, the lower the bitrate, the longer in time 8k will actually be, 
but a lower bitrate will also make it easier to get away with low buffer 
settings.

Geoff.



From denisp at uol.com.br  Thu Mar 10 03:08:42 2005
From: denisp at uol.com.br (Denis Paschoalinoto)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:08:42 -0300
Subject: [Icecast] (no subject)
Message-ID: <ID48QI$60CCA876AA7DB013AAF5B93876798FCA@uol.com.br>

Hi,

I am a beginner in Icecast, and I?d thank you if I had a little help from you guys.

I?m already able to send audio data from WinAmp (2.95) with Oddcast (Dec 14, 2004) to Icecast (2.2.0). No problems up to here.

However, when I go to URL in order to hear it, Windows Media Player (9 series) buffers and plays only a few seconds of audio.

I am in Windows XP (Service Pack 2).

Do you know what might be happening?

Thank you for your valuable help!

D?nis - denisp at uol.com.br
 
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From denisp at uol.com.br  Thu Mar 10 03:13:29 2005
From: denisp at uol.com.br (Denis Paschoalinoto)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:13:29 -0300
Subject: [Icecast] Only a few seconds of buffer
Message-ID: <ID48YH$02EFBF5A4ABF0CBF9774D2E0AD7B0FAA@uol.com.br>

Hi,

I am a beginner in Icecast, and I?d thank you if I had a little help from you guys.

I?m already able to send audio data from WinAmp (2.95) with Oddcast (Dec 14, 2004) to Icecast (2.2.0). No problems up to here.

However, when I go to URL in order to hear it, Windows Media Player (9 series) buffers and plays only a few seconds of audio.

I am in Windows XP (Service Pack 2).

Do you know what might be happening?

Thank you for your valuable help!

D?nis - denisp at uol.com.br
 
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From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 03:20:54 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:20:54 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <ID48QI$60CCA876AA7DB013AAF5B93876798FCA@uol.com.br>
References: <ID48QI$60CCA876AA7DB013AAF5B93876798FCA@uol.com.br>
Message-ID: <3c1737210503091920627bebb4@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:08:42 -0300, Denis Paschoalinoto
<denisp at uol.com.br> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am a beginner in Icecast, and I?d thank you if I had a little help from you guys.
> 
> I?m already able to send audio data from WinAmp (2.95) with Oddcast (Dec 14, 2004) to Icecast (2.2.0). No problems up to here.
> 
> However, when I go to URL in order to hear it, Windows Media Player (9 series) buffers and plays only a few seconds of audio.
> 

What format are you streaming in? What mountpoint are you using? What
URL are you passing to WMP?

Mike


From xechorizo at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 04:32:45 2005
From: xechorizo at gmail.com (Xechorizo)
Date: Wed, 9 Mar 2005 21:32:45 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Mountpoint problems...
Message-ID: <1c0c8a7a050309203231f869a5@mail.gmail.com>

I can't figure out exactly what to put as my Icecast webroot
directory, nor what to tell my Winamp Oddcast plugin to name as the
mountpoint.  I'm a n00b here and barely know what these words even
mean, lol, but I can get the Oddcast to log in to the Icecast and
people can go to the .m3u file I put into the mountpoint, but it
either just cycles songs or doesn;t play. I noticed that it only
transmits when my Winamp plays, but I basically ahve no idea what to
do.


From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Thu Mar 10 05:36:58 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:36:58 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Mountpoint problems...
In-Reply-To: <1c0c8a7a050309203231f869a5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c0c8a7a050309203231f869a5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503101527050.11065@data.home>

Hi,

Ok.  clarification of terms here.

A mountpoint is simply what is used to differenciate one stream from 
another.  It doesn't physically exist until it is created by a source 
connecting to it, and unless you want to handle it differently from any 
other mountpoint, there's no need to define it anywhere except in the 
source client.

Here's an example (a simple one).  You and I have ownership in a co-located 
machine on a big pipe somewhere.  We decide that we both want to stream 
audio from that machine.  Since we both administer it, there's no harm in 
us both knowing the main source password.  So I configure my source to 
broadcast to ourserver.com port 8000 on mountpoint /mystation.ogg and you 
broadcast to ourserver.com:8000/yourstation.ogg.  These mounts are created 
when each of us connects and people can connect to them to hear the 
particular stream that's associated with them.

Note that you can set up mounts with different passwords or other 
parameters, check out the <mount> section in the sample configuration for 
more details, but it's only necessary to have a <mount> section if you 
actually want any of these features.

the webroot directory is used for serving stats pages and also for serving 
any other content if you have fileserve enabled.  So if you put logo.png in 
your webroot directory, you can call it with http://server:port/logo.png

Hope this helps with the terms.

As for your broadcasts, perhaps begin by telling us exactly what you're 
trying to achieve and we'll take it from there.

Geoff.


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From mike at altrion.org  Thu Mar 10 07:46:56 2005
From: mike at altrion.org (Mike Whitaker)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 07:46:56 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] encoder->server->listener lag
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503100904140.11065@data.home>
References: <2413ca2f90912072313c1725efdca038@altrion.org>
	<1110402548.1762.63.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503100904140.11065@data.home>
Message-ID: <1652eda27cfa0556626bf01da4d13f69@altrion.org>

> Of course, the lower the bitrate, the longer in time 8k will actually 
> be, but a lower bitrate will also make it easier to get away with low 
> buffer settings.

I seem to have a lot of 'doh!' moments on this list.

We haven't touched the default buffer settings (64KB) and we're 
streaming at 16Kb/s)

Which is 2KB/s, or 32s to fill the buffer.

Excuse, please. Great shame. Must go flagellate self with wet noodle.



From mikee at luver.com  Thu Mar 10 10:38:19 2005
From: mikee at luver.com (Mikee)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 02:38:19 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] correct way to link stream on a web page?
Message-ID: <000601c5255d$46b5c130$c227c03f@LUVeR>

What is the correct way to put a link to an mp3 and ogg stream? I'm having a dickens of a time getting anything to work right. 

Here are my stream urls:
http://69.20.57.94:8000/live
http://69.20.57.94:8000/live.ogg

Cutting and pasting always works.

I've been using the following link format:
http://69.20.57.94:8000/live.m3u
http://69.20.57.94:8000/live.ogg.m3u

Both will open up the default player (Winamp) but they never connect. It just says "connecting".

The link for the MP3 stream from the Icecast directory works on some computers but not on others:
http://dir.xiph.org/listen.php?pid=673483&file=listen.m3u

I've yet to meet an ogg link that works. I always have to cut and paste the url into the player. That's not a problem for me but a lot of people barely know howto open a player, let alone figure out where to cut and paste. 

Any help is greatly appreciated!
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From hick.icecast at gink.org  Thu Mar 10 11:14:10 2005
From: hick.icecast at gink.org (gARetH baBB)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:14:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Icecast] correct way to link stream on a web page?
In-Reply-To: <000601c5255d$46b5c130$c227c03f@LUVeR>
References: <000601c5255d$46b5c130$c227c03f@LUVeR>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0503101112020.28193@stum.gink.org>

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005, Mikee wrote:

> I've been using the following link format:
> http://69.20.57.94:8000/live.m3u
> http://69.20.57.94:8000/live.ogg.m3u
> 
> Both will open up the default player (Winamp) but they never connect. It 
> just says "connecting".

hick at stum:~/x$ lftpget http://69.20.57.94:8000/live.m3u
hick at stum:~/x$ cat live.m3u
http://localhost:8000/live

Set your <hostname> to something sensible.


From quickfixx at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 11:34:31 2005
From: quickfixx at gmail.com (Jamie Chambers)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:34:31 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Could not parse XSLT file
Message-ID: <7077c0610503100334605c19bf@mail.gmail.com>

Hi There...

I just installed icecast-2.2.0 ok, the stream server works, however
when I try to access the web interface, my browser displays the
message "Could not parse XSLT file". XSLT seems to be configured as
there were no compile problems. Google hasn't yielded much help.. Any
Ideas?

QuickFix


From dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de  Thu Mar 10 12:01:53 2005
From: dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=22Thomas_B=2E_R=FCcker=22?=)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 13:01:53 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Could not parse XSLT file
In-Reply-To: <7077c0610503100334605c19bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7077c0610503100334605c19bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42303731.8040405@afthd.tu-darmstadt.de>

Jamie Chambers schrieb:

 > Hi There...
 >
 > I just installed icecast-2.2.0 ok, the stream server works, however
 > when I try to access the web interface, my browser displays the
 > message "Could not parse XSLT file". XSLT seems to be configured as
 > there were no compile problems. Google hasn't yielded much help.. Any
 > Ideas?

Did you modify the xsl files shipped with icecast in any way? Check if 
they really are in the webroot specified in your config file.

If you did modify them run them through some sort of xslt-debugger 
(xslproc iirc is one) you'll need to dump stats.xml file from 
/admin/stats.xml to a file and pass it with the xsl file to the debugger.

Thomas



From denisp at uol.com.br  Thu Mar 10 14:28:05 2005
From: denisp at uol.com.br (Denis Paschoalinoto)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:28:05 -0300
Subject: [Icecast] (no subject)
Message-ID: <ID546T$A0D25C88B8EE435177A4F908DE50283C@uol.com.br>

Mike, 
I?m streaming LAME ones (MP3), mountpoint is live.mp3 and URL is http://169.254.31.193:8000/live.mp3 
Thanks a lot, 
D?nis 
-x- 
From"Michael Smith" mlrsmith at gmail.com 
To"Denis Paschoalinoto" denisp at uol.com.br 
Cc"icecast" icecast at xiph.org 
DateThu, 10 Mar 2005 14:20:54 +1100 
SubjectRe: [Icecast] (no subject) 
> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 00:08:42 -0300, Denis Paschoalinoto 
> wrote: 
> > Hi, 
> > 
> > I am a beginner in Icecast, and I?d thank you if I had a little help from you guys. 
> > 
> > I?m already able to send audio data from WinAmp (2.95) with Oddcast (Dec 14, 2004) to Icecast (2.2.0). No problems up to here. 
> > 
> > However, when I go to URL in order to hear it, Windows Media Player (9 series) buffers and plays only a few seconds of audio. 
> > 
> 
> What format are you streaming in? What mountpoint are you using? What 
> URL are you passing to WMP? 
> 
> Mike
 
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From eldesoky.lists at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 16:13:09 2005
From: eldesoky.lists at gmail.com (Mohamed Eldesoky)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:13:09 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Streaming live from windows
In-Reply-To: <422F682D.7000704@folkwang-hochschule.de>
References: <1403218a05030907196ada9226@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503100200570.11065@data.home>
	<422F682D.7000704@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <1403218a050310081367321d59@mail.gmail.com>

Ah,
Thanks, going to try oddcast.org


On Wed, 09 Mar 2005 22:18:37 +0100, Joern Nettingsmeier
<nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de> wrote:
> Geoff Shang wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > You can use the Oddsock plugin from oddcast.org which can do this, in
> > conjunction with Winamp (not open source) or Foobar2000 (not sure, might
> > be open source).
> 
> definitely open source, and a recommendation, since it does not *beep*
> with the registry too much, has a clean, no bullshit interface, supports
> a large number of codecs and is one of the few players that will work
> with restricted privileges on w2k.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
> 


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From beakerboy99 at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 10 18:11:49 2005
From: beakerboy99 at yahoo.com (Kevin Nowaczyk)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 10:11:49 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Icecast] Creating playlists in real-time
Message-ID: <20050310181150.62592.qmail@web60709.mail.yahoo.com>

I've been working on a jukebox application for a
while.  My wife recenlty asked "You spend so much time
coding that and ripping CDs... Is there a way I can
listen to the songs at work?".
  
So...I made a simple web script to add songs to the
play queue and I added the ability to stream the raw
audio to stdout and linked it up with ices2.  

My problem is I think the jukebox decodes the audio
too quickly for the ices2 buffer.  After hearing a
song or two WinAmp drops the audio.  When I reconnect
to the stream It's skipped forward a song.

I'm wondering if anyone knows of any simple apps
already out there which can either take file paths
from stdin or read a path from a file so I can stream
my music library on request.

I don't want to hear any stuff on the RIAA sponsered
law against online music requesting...pretend I'm not
in the US.

Thanks for any suggestions,
Kevin Nowaczyk


		
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From graver at graver.xs4all.nl  Thu Mar 10 18:22:27 2005
From: graver at graver.xs4all.nl (Frits Letteboer)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:22:27 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Creating playlists in real-time
In-Reply-To: <20050310181150.62592.qmail@web60709.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050310181150.62592.qmail@web60709.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <42309063.8030809@graver.xs4all.nl>

Kevin Nowaczyk wrote:
> I've been working on a jukebox application for a
> while.  My wife recenlty asked "You spend so much time
> coding that and ripping CDs... Is there a way I can
> listen to the songs at work?".
>   
> So...I made a simple web script to add songs to the
> play queue and I added the ability to stream the raw
> audio to stdout and linked it up with ices2.  
> 
> My problem is I think the jukebox decodes the audio
> too quickly for the ices2 buffer.  After hearing a
> song or two WinAmp drops the audio.  When I reconnect
> to the stream It's skipped forward a song.
> 
> I'm wondering if anyone knows of any simple apps
> already out there which can either take file paths
> from stdin or read a path from a file so I can stream
> my music library on request.
> 
> I don't want to hear any stuff on the RIAA sponsered
> law against online music requesting...pretend I'm not
> in the US.

Ices2 can already do that:
<stream>
                 <input>
                         <module>playlist</module>
                         <param name="type">script</param>
                         <param 
name="program">/home/graver/phpshout.php</param>
                 </input>
...
</stream>
This is an example from a jukebox I wrote for a local station, works 
perfectly.




From maillists at conactive.com  Thu Mar 10 18:45:09 2005
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:45:09 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Winamp 0% Buffering mp3 streams
Message-ID: <VA.00001c15.110f6510@virtual-access.org>

I'm new to streaming or music hearing over the wire, I still prefer my 
old-fashioned stereo equipment :-)
But a friend asked me to setup a shoutcast server for him, so I went out 
and installed it, played a bit with it and didn't like it. So I looked for 
an open source alternative and found Icecast. Installed fine, works fine. 
But there is one thing which puzzles me and I hope someone can shed some 
light on it. It seems that Winamp on Windows has a problem with mp3 
streams coming from my Icecast server. It stays forever at "0% Buffering". 
I cannot find much about this when searching around. Sometimes it's 
mentioned that this can indicate that the max listeners are reached. 
However, that's not the case here and I can listen to the stream with 
foobar2000 and Windows Media Player at the same time just fine. The source 
client doesn't seem to play a role either. I streamed with Winamp, both 
with the shoutcast and with the oddcast plugin, and my friend uses 
Nicecast on the Mac. But non of the listeners with Winamp get a tone. I 
can listen fine using ogg vorbis with the oddcast plugin. When I first had 
the shoutcast server running I only tested "on demand" streaming with mp3, 
that worked as well. But any mp3 stream going over that Icecast server 
makes Winamp just sit there.
My Winamp version is 5.something, downloaded just a few days ago.
Any hints why Winamp might not like it?

(BTW: there's no "on demand" streaming from a local directory in Icecast 
like you can do in Shoutcast, correct?)

Kai

-- 
Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
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From ddominey86 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 19:01:04 2005
From: ddominey86 at gmail.com (Darrell Dominey)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:31:04 -0330
Subject: [Icecast] Winamp 0% Buffering mp3 streams
In-Reply-To: <VA.00001c15.110f6510@virtual-access.org>
References: <VA.00001c15.110f6510@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <2f3554e605031011015151c6aa@mail.gmail.com>

make sure that your mountpoint does not have a .ogg extention with the
mp3 stream, otherwise, it will try to play using the ogg plugin, and
will stay at 0% buffer


On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 19:45:09 +0100, Kai Schaetzl
<maillists at conactive.com> wrote:
> I'm new to streaming or music hearing over the wire, I still prefer my
> old-fashioned stereo equipment :-)
> But a friend asked me to setup a shoutcast server for him, so I went out
> and installed it, played a bit with it and didn't like it. So I looked for
> an open source alternative and found Icecast. Installed fine, works fine.
> But there is one thing which puzzles me and I hope someone can shed some
> light on it. It seems that Winamp on Windows has a problem with mp3
> streams coming from my Icecast server. It stays forever at "0% Buffering".
> I cannot find much about this when searching around. Sometimes it's
> mentioned that this can indicate that the max listeners are reached.
> However, that's not the case here and I can listen to the stream with
> foobar2000 and Windows Media Player at the same time just fine. The source
> client doesn't seem to play a role either. I streamed with Winamp, both
> with the shoutcast and with the oddcast plugin, and my friend uses
> Nicecast on the Mac. But non of the listeners with Winamp get a tone. I
> can listen fine using ogg vorbis with the oddcast plugin. When I first had
> the shoutcast server running I only tested "on demand" streaming with mp3,
> that worked as well. But any mp3 stream going over that Icecast server
> makes Winamp just sit there.
> My Winamp version is 5.something, downloaded just a few days ago.
> Any hints why Winamp might not like it?
> 
> (BTW: there's no "on demand" streaming from a local directory in Icecast
> like you can do in Shoutcast, correct?)
> 
> Kai
> 
> --
> Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
> Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
> IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org
> 
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> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>


From maillists at conactive.com  Thu Mar 10 19:51:29 2005
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:51:29 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Winamp 0% Buffering mp3 streams
In-Reply-To: <2f3554e605031011015151c6aa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <VA.00001c15.110f6510@virtual-access.org>
	<2f3554e605031011015151c6aa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <VA.00001c17.87cef338@virtual-access.org>

Darrell Dominey wrote on Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:31:04 -0330:

> make sure that your mountpoint does not have a .ogg extention with the 
> mp3 stream, otherwise, it will try to play using the ogg plugin, and 
> will stay at 0% buffer
>

Hi, thanks for the quick answer. We are serving the mp3s with .nsv endings 
since that is what the oddcast plugin seems to send by default when mp3 is 
used and no mount point specified (it then sends with "live.nsv" if I 
remember this correctly). Should Winamp be able to handle .nsv or should I 
change this to .mp3 f.i.?

Kai

-- 
Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
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From ddominey86 at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 20:01:17 2005
From: ddominey86 at gmail.com (Darrell Dominey)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:31:17 -0330
Subject: [Icecast] Winamp 0% Buffering mp3 streams
In-Reply-To: <VA.00001c17.87cef338@virtual-access.org>
References: <VA.00001c15.110f6510@virtual-access.org>
	<2f3554e605031011015151c6aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<VA.00001c17.87cef338@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <2f3554e60503101201645c26a0@mail.gmail.com>

really, it should have no extention, like /stream/1001 for the mountpoint


On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:51:29 +0100, Kai Schaetzl
<maillists at conactive.com> wrote:
> Darrell Dominey wrote on Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:31:04 -0330:
> 
> > make sure that your mountpoint does not have a .ogg extention with the
> > mp3 stream, otherwise, it will try to play using the ogg plugin, and
> > will stay at 0% buffer
> >
> 
> Hi, thanks for the quick answer. We are serving the mp3s with .nsv endings
> since that is what the oddcast plugin seems to send by default when mp3 is
> used and no mount point specified (it then sends with "live.nsv" if I
> remember this correctly). Should Winamp be able to handle .nsv or should I
> change this to .mp3 f.i.?
> 
> Kai
> 
> --
> Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
> Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
> IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org
> 
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> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>


From karl at xiph.org  Thu Mar 10 20:13:01 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 10 Mar 2005 20:13:01 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Winamp 0% Buffering mp3 streams
In-Reply-To: <VA.00001c17.87cef338@virtual-access.org>
References: <VA.00001c15.110f6510@virtual-access.org>
	<2f3554e605031011015151c6aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<VA.00001c17.87cef338@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <1110485580.13475.7.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Thu, 2005-03-10 at 19:51, Kai Schaetzl wrote:
> Darrell Dominey wrote on Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:31:04 -0330:
> 
> > make sure that your mountpoint does not have a .ogg extention with the 
> > mp3 stream, otherwise, it will try to play using the ogg plugin, and 
> > will stay at 0% buffer
> >
> 
> Hi, thanks for the quick answer. We are serving the mp3s with .nsv endings 
> since that is what the oddcast plugin seems to send by default when mp3 is 
> used and no mount point specified (it then sends with "live.nsv" if I 
> remember this correctly). Should Winamp be able to handle .nsv or should I 
> change this to .mp3 f.i.?

NSV is not the same as mp3, NSV is a container that may contain an mp3
stream and as such requires a different handler in the listening client.

Most listening client have bugs, the most common one is the extension
one that players like winamp use for content selection, even though we
pass an appropriate content type.

I think the general rule for winamp is if it has an extension like .ogg
or .nsv then it is handled specifically, if the extension is not
recognised or missing then MP3 is assumed.

karl.



From mlabash at babylabash.com  Thu Mar 10 22:16:20 2005
From: mlabash at babylabash.com (Michael LaBash)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:16:20 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] correct way to link stream on a web page?
Message-ID: <p06110409be567747d659@[63.192.39.198]>

Thanks. I tried changing Hostname to 69.20.57.94 but the same thing 
is happening. I have a free IP Address. Is there a way to bid 
Icecast2 to an IP Address?

-- 
Michael LaBash
--------------------
Listen to Love Underground Visionary Revolution (LUVeR)
http://www.luver.com
Listen to LUVeR Alternative News
http://www.luver.org


From mlabash at babylabash.com  Thu Mar 10 22:18:38 2005
From: mlabash at babylabash.com (Michael LaBash)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 14:18:38 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] correct way to link stream on a web page?
Message-ID: <p0611040abe56780903ca@[63.192.39.198]>

Thanks. I tried changing Hostname to 69.20.57.94 but the same thing 
is happening. I have a free IP Address. Is there a way to bid 
Icecast2 to an IP Address?

-- 
Michael LaBash
--------------------
New Possibilities Design
http://www.babylabash.com
Lavapen.com illustration
http://www.lavapen
Listen to Love Underground Visionary Revolution (LUVeR)
http://www.luver.com
Listen to LUVeR Alternative News
http://www.luver.org


From maillists at conactive.com  Thu Mar 10 22:22:08 2005
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:22:08 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Winamp 0% Buffering mp3 streams
In-Reply-To: <2f3554e60503101201645c26a0@mail.gmail.com>
References: <VA.00001c15.110f6510@virtual-access.org>
	<2f3554e605031011015151c6aa@mail.gmail.com>
	<VA.00001c17.87cef338@virtual-access.org>
	<2f3554e60503101201645c26a0@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <VA.00001c19.8858e0d2@virtual-access.org>

Darrell Dominey wrote on Thu, 10 Mar 2005 16:31:17 -0330:

> really, it should have no extention, like /stream/1001 for the mountpoint
>

Thank you both! Yes, without an extension the problem is gone. I completely 
misunderstood the section about extensions on the website. I thought Winamp 
would not be able to handle stream, so I had to use stream.mp3 for mp3 etc. 
That .nsv thing came in as some default pushed from a streaming client. As 
I now see it can't be from the oddcast plugin, it was either from the 
shoutcast plugin or from the Nicecast software my friend uses. Since that 
worked just fine with other clients I assumed .nsv would be the correct 
extension - and I thought I *had* to use an extension for Winamp.

Kai

-- 
Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
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From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Thu Mar 10 22:24:25 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:24:25 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Winamp 0% Buffering mp3 streams
In-Reply-To: <VA.00001c15.110f6510@virtual-access.org>
References: <VA.00001c15.110f6510@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503110822000.11065@data.home>

Kai Schaetzl wrote:

> (BTW: there's no "on demand" streaming from a local directory in Icecast
> like you can do in Shoutcast, correct?)

I assume you're looking for something like what fileserve does.  I've not 
messed with Shoutcast for so long that I really can't remember what that 
feature does, but if you enable file serving, you can put anything in the 
webroot (as defined in your config file) and Icecast will serve it like a 
webserver.

Geoff.



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Thu Mar 10 22:26:41 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:26:41 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Streaming live from windows
In-Reply-To: <1403218a050310081367321d59@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1403218a05030907196ada9226@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503100200570.11065@data.home>
	<422F682D.7000704@folkwang-hochschule.de>
	<1403218a050310081367321d59@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503110824540.11065@data.home>

Mohamed Eldesoky wrote:

>> Geoff Shang wrote:
>>> You can use the Oddsock plugin from oddcast.org

argh.   Must have been half asleep when I wrote that - it's of course the 
oddcast plugin from oddsock.org.

Geoff.



From Gabriel.de-Perthuis at laPoste.net  Thu Mar 10 22:43:17 2005
From: Gabriel.de-Perthuis at laPoste.net (Gabriel de Perthuis)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 23:43:17 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] correct way to link stream on a web page?
In-Reply-To: <p0611040abe56780903ca@[63.192.39.198]>
References: <p0611040abe56780903ca@[63.192.39.198]>
Message-ID: <1110494597.22285.1.camel@localhost.localdomain>

Le jeudi 10 mars 2005 ? 14:18 -0800, Michael LaBash a ?crit :
> Thanks. I tried changing Hostname to 69.20.57.94 but the same thing 
> is happening. I have a free IP Address. Is there a way to bid 
> Icecast2 to an IP Address?

Use iptables?



From maillists at conactive.com  Thu Mar 10 23:31:26 2005
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:31:26 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Winamp 0% Buffering mp3 streams
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503110822000.11065@data.home>
References: <VA.00001c15.110f6510@virtual-access.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503110822000.11065@data.home>
Message-ID: <VA.00001c1b.1215d00c@virtual-access.org>

Geoff Shang wrote on Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:24:25 +1000:

> but if you enable file serving, you can put anything in the 
> webroot (as defined in your config file) and Icecast will serve it like a 
> webserver.
>

Ah, I see. I was indeed wondering if that could do what I was looking for, 
but I couldn't find anything about the fileserve in the documentation other 
than that short sentence in the config file explanation. Thanks!
I was also wondering if I could just use Apache to distribute static files. 
It seems in a nutshell the Icecast server is more or less a normal http 
server, just that it accepts an extra SOURCE command and provides buffering.


Kai

-- 
Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany
Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com
IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org





From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 23:56:14 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:56:14 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] Could not parse XSLT file
In-Reply-To: <7077c0610503100334605c19bf@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7077c0610503100334605c19bf@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3c173721050310155661202dba@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:34:31 +0000, Jamie Chambers <quickfixx at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi There...
> 
> I just installed icecast-2.2.0 ok, the stream server works, however
> when I try to access the web interface, my browser displays the
> message "Could not parse XSLT file". XSLT seems to be configured as
> there were no compile problems. Google hasn't yielded much help.. Any
> Ideas?

As well as what Thomas suggested, are you sure you have the admin
directory configured correctly?

If you are, and you still can't get it to work, we'd need to know more
about what you're doing. At a minimum:
 - your OS
 - where you installed it
 - your config file (with sensitive passwords removed, of course)


Mike


From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Thu Mar 10 23:58:13 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 10:58:13 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <ID546T$A0D25C88B8EE435177A4F908DE50283C@uol.com.br>
References: <ID546T$A0D25C88B8EE435177A4F908DE50283C@uol.com.br>
Message-ID: <3c1737210503101558775c571a@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:28:05 -0300, Denis Paschoalinoto
<denisp at uol.com.br> wrote:
> Mike,
> I?m streaming LAME ones (MP3), mountpoint is live.mp3 and URL is http://169.254.31.193:8000/live.mp3

Depending on how you're starting WMP, you may need to give a URL to a
playlist file that in turn points at your stream.

Icecast will auto-generated one for you if you append ".m3u" to your URL.

Note: your mountpoint is "/live.mp3", not "live.mp3" - the distinction
does matter.

Mike


From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 00:09:51 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:09:51 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] Winamp 0% Buffering mp3 streams
In-Reply-To: <VA.00001c1b.1215d00c@virtual-access.org>
References: <VA.00001c15.110f6510@virtual-access.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503110822000.11065@data.home>
	<VA.00001c1b.1215d00c@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <3c173721050310160930aa5711@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 00:31:26 +0100, Kai Schaetzl
<maillists at conactive.com> wrote:
> Geoff Shang wrote on Fri, 11 Mar 2005 08:24:25 +1000:
> 
> > but if you enable file serving, you can put anything in the
> > webroot (as defined in your config file) and Icecast will serve it like a
> > webserver.
> >
> 
> Ah, I see. I was indeed wondering if that could do what I was looking for,
> but I couldn't find anything about the fileserve in the documentation other
> than that short sentence in the config file explanation. Thanks!
> I was also wondering if I could just use Apache to distribute static files.
> It seems in a nutshell the Icecast server is more or less a normal http
> server, just that it accepts an extra SOURCE command and provides buffering.

Yes, you can use apache instead of icecast's fileserving. Indeed, I'd
strongly recommend it if you want to do any significant amount of file
serving. Icecast's ability to do this is primarily so that it can
serve up files as part of the admin and stats interfaces, and also to
provide a simple alternative for people who aren't already running a
seperate web server.

Mike


From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Fri Mar 11 02:04:36 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 12:04:36 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <3c1737210503101558775c571a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ID546T$A0D25C88B8EE435177A4F908DE50283C@uol.com.br>
	<3c1737210503101558775c571a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503111200440.11065@data.home>

Michael Smith wrote:

> On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 11:28:05 -0300, Denis Paschoalinoto
> <denisp at uol.com.br> wrote:
>> I?m streaming LAME ones (MP3), mountpoint is live.mp3 and URL is 
>> http://169.254.31.193:8000/live.mp3

You're not going to be able to listen to this, at least from the Internet 
at large.

From RFC 3330:

    169.254.0.0/16 - This is the "link local" block.  It is allocated for
    communication between hosts on a single link.  Hosts obtain these
    addresses by auto-configuration, such as when a DHCP server may not
    be found.
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3330.html

This is presumably not the correct address for your server box, or it can 
not be reached from the Internet at large.  At the least, something needs 
sorting out.

Geoff.

hmmm, I think this is the person who's running a whitelister I can't use so 
they'll probably not even see this.

From mlabash at babylabash.com  Fri Mar 11 02:14:49 2005
From: mlabash at babylabash.com (Michael LaBash)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:14:49 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] Binding Icecast to an IP address
Message-ID: <p0611040fbe56ae2cb418@[63.192.39.198]>

I noticed in the Docs there is a <bind-address> option but the 
example given says it limits to just one listener. Is it possible to 
bind to an IP address but with no listener limit? Or am I just being 
a dumbkopf....

Would that help my links work?

-- 
Michael LaBash
--------------------
New Possibilities Design
http://www.babylabash.com
Lavapen.com illustration
http://www.lavapen
Listen to Love Underground Visionary Revolution (LUVeR)
http://www.luver.com
Listen to LUVeR Alternative News
http://www.luver.org


From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 02:23:45 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 13:23:45 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] Binding Icecast to an IP address
In-Reply-To: <p0611040fbe56ae2cb418@63.192.39.198>
References: <p0611040fbe56ae2cb418@63.192.39.198>
Message-ID: <3c173721050310182358b8c850@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:14:49 -0800, Michael LaBash
<mlabash at babylabash.com> wrote:
> I noticed in the Docs there is a <bind-address> option but the
> example given says it limits to just one listener. Is it possible to
> bind to an IP address but with no listener limit? Or am I just being
> a dumbkopf....
> 
> Would that help my links work?

The bind-address option does not limit the number of listeners, it
affects only the interfaces to which icecast binds. I've just changed
the line in the documentation that I think confused you, so hopefully
it won't confuse anyone else in the future.

This is almost certain to not help at all with any problems you're
having. You shouldn't use bind-address unless you specifically want
icecast to bind to one particular interface (and if that doesn't make
sense to you, it means you don't need to use it!)

Mike


From xechorizo at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 03:33:16 2005
From: xechorizo at gmail.com (Xechorizo)
Date: Thu, 10 Mar 2005 20:33:16 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Mountpoint problems...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503101527050.11065@data.home>
References: <1c0c8a7a050309203231f869a5@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503101527050.11065@data.home>
Message-ID: <1c0c8a7a05031019333e035f84@mail.gmail.com>

Re: [Icecast] 

Alright, basically I want to be able to broadcast a single stream of
what my Winamp is currently playing, so instead of having to send
people a song, they can just tune into my radio.  All attempts I've
made result in them not being able to connect and my Winamp to stutter
when it plays mp3's.  Even on lower bitrate settings, it still makes
my songs stutter.

On Thu, 10 Mar 2005 15:36:58 +1000, Geoff Shang <geoff at hitsandpieces.net> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Ok.  clarification of terms here.
> 
> A mountpoint is simply what is used to differenciate one stream from
> another.  It doesn't physically exist until it is created by a source
> connecting to it, and unless you want to handle it differently from any
> other mountpoint, there's no need to define it anywhere except in the
> source client.
> 
> Here's an example (a simple one).  You and I have ownership in a co-located
> machine on a big pipe somewhere.  We decide that we both want to stream
> audio from that machine.  Since we both administer it, there's no harm in
> us both knowing the main source password.  So I configure my source to
> broadcast to ourserver.com port 8000 on mountpoint /mystation.ogg and you
> broadcast to ourserver.com:8000/yourstation.ogg.  These mounts are created
> when each of us connects and people can connect to them to hear the
> particular stream that's associated with them.
> 
> Note that you can set up mounts with different passwords or other
> parameters, check out the <mount> section in the sample configuration for
> more details, but it's only necessary to have a <mount> section if you
> actually want any of these features.
> 
> the webroot directory is used for serving stats pages and also for serving
> any other content if you have fileserve enabled.  So if you put logo.png in
> your webroot directory, you can call it with http://server:port/logo.png
> 
> Hope this helps with the terms.
> 
> As for your broadcasts, perhaps begin by telling us exactly what you're
> trying to achieve and we'll take it from there.
> 
> Geoff.
> 
> --
> Geoff Shang <geoff at hitsandpieces.net>
> Phone: +61-418-96-5590
> MSN: geoff at acbradio.org
> 
> Make sure your E-mail can be read by everyone!
> http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html
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From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Fri Mar 11 10:01:23 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 20:01:23 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Mountpoint problems...
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Xechorizo wrote:

> Alright, basically I want to be able to broadcast a single stream of
> what my Winamp is currently playing, so instead of having to send
> people a song, they can just tune into my radio.

Ok, good.  Now we know what you want to achieve.  Next, we need to 
determine how you've gone about doing this (i.e. what you've done).

> All attempts I've
> made result in them not being able to connect and my Winamp to stutter
> when it plays mp3's.  Even on lower bitrate settings, it still makes
> my songs stutter.

So what DSP plugin are you using?  Oddcast?  SAM? Shoutcast DSP?  Something 
else?

Is your plugin actually connnecting to Icecast?

When your friends try to connnect, how are they doing this (i.e. are they 
typing/pasting a URL into their player, clicking on a link on a website, or 
something else)?

Have you tried looking in Icecast's error log?  Does it say anything about 
the connection attempts and if so, what?

Geoff.



From xechorizo at gmail.com  Fri Mar 11 13:24:33 2005
From: xechorizo at gmail.com (Xechorizo)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 06:24:33 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Mounting problems...
Message-ID: <1c0c8a7a0503110524481baf64@mail.gmail.com>

Geoff:

> So what DSP plugin are you using?  Oddcast?  SAM? Shoutcast DSP?  Something
> else?

Oddcast DSP v3

> Is your plugin actually connnecting to Icecast?

Yes, Oddcast tells me it's broadcasting test.m3u at ~32kb (I set it
this slow) and
Icecast sees this connection.  It also sees when others connect, but
all attempts
result in Error 404

> When your friends try to connnect, how are they doing this (i.e. are they
> typing/pasting a URL into their player, clicking on a link on a website, or
> something else)?

They are typing http://myWANipaddress:portchosenforOddcast/test.m3u

> Have you tried looking in Icecast's error log?  Does it say anything about
> the connection attempts and if so, what?

[2005-03-10  21:57:51] INFO main/main.c Icecast 2.2.0 server started
[2005-03-10  21:57:51] INFO yp/yp.c Adding new YP server
"http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi" (timeout 15s, default interval
30s)
[2005-03-10  21:57:51] INFO stats/stats.c stats thread started
[2005-03-10  21:57:51] INFO fserve/fserve.c file serving thread started
[2005-03-10  21:57:51] INFO yp/yp.c YP update thread started
[2005-03-10  21:57:55] INFO connection/connection.c Source logging in
at mountpoint "/test.m3u"
[2005-03-10  21:59:21] INFO source/source.c Source "/test.m3u" exiting
[2005-03-10  21:59:28] INFO connection/connection.c Source logging in
at mountpoint "/test.m3u"
[2005-03-10  22:00:19] INFO source/source.c Source "/test.m3u" exiting
[2005-03-10  22:00:19] INFO connection/connection.c All connection threads down
[2005-03-10  22:00:19] INFO main/main.c Shutting down
[2005-03-10  22:00:19] INFO fserve/fserve.c file serving thread stopped
[2005-03-10  22:00:19] INFO slave/slave.c Slave thread shutdown complete
[2005-03-10  22:00:19] INFO yp/yp.c YP thread down
[2005-03-10  22:00:20] INFO stats/stats.c stats thread finished
 
This shows Oddcast connecting to Icecast, starting the YP thread, and
my futile attempts to have people connect.  I can broadcast seemingly
fine until they attempt a connection, and then my Winamp skips and
slows down, while they get a 404 error, and my Winamp continues to
skip until I disconnect Oddcast from Icecast.

My computer specs:

Windows 2000 Professional
Intel Celeron 766mhz
30 Gig HD
319mb Ram

I've noticed that also whenever anyone attempts connecting, my CPU
usage skyrockets.


From maillists at conactive.com  Fri Mar 11 13:31:31 2005
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:31:31 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Binding Icecast to an IP address
In-Reply-To: <p0611040fbe56ae2cb418@[63.192.39.198]>
References: <p0611040fbe56ae2cb418@[63.192.39.198]>
Message-ID: <VA.00001c20.15174a58@virtual-access.org>

Michael LaBash wrote on Thu, 10 Mar 2005 18:14:49 -0800:

> Would that help my links work?

It's not clear what your problem actually is. You should avoid starting 
new threads about old topics, nobody can follow with the exception of 
maybe yourself. Stay in the thread you started the problem with. The first 
posting I see from you is:

> Thanks. I tried changing Hostname to 69.20.57.94 but the same thing 
> is happening. I have a free IP Address. Is there a way to bid 
> Icecast2 to an IP Address?

That obviously refers to some earlier conversation.
I thought, ok, I just subscribed yesterday, so the beginning of the thread 
may have been before my subscription. So I went to the archive and looked 
around. I found a few earlier postings from you under different headings 
and this thread starting with the statement above - but no earlier posting 
which fits as the beginning of this thread.

It seems to me that you are trying hard to make it difficult to help you.


Kai

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From engel at dkct.de  Fri Mar 11 10:49:18 2005
From: engel at dkct.de (Dennis Engel)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:49:18 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] no auth.xsl
Message-ID: <5864CEBF10AD044E87F6142694D59DBD0223D8@srv-01-001.01.dkct.local>

Hi out there!
 
I?ve set up an Icecast2 (2.2.0) Win32 Server with oddcast DSP 2.0.15
 
The basics (a simple stream in .ogg) works realy fine. But now I would like to add authentication. So I set up the <mount> section in the icecast-config. It looks like this now:

<icecast>
    <limits>
        <sources>2</sources>
    </limits>
    <authentication>
        <source-password>pass</source-password>
        <relay-password>pass</relay-password>
        <admin-user>admin</admin-user>
        <admin-password>pass</admin-password>
    </authentication>
    <hostname>localhost</hostname>
    <listen-socket>
        <port>7083</port>
    </listen-socket>
    <fileserve>1</fileserve>
    <paths>
        <logdir>./logs</logdir>
        <webroot>./web</webroot>
        <adminroot>./admin</adminroot>
        <alias source="/" dest="/status.xsl"/>
    </paths>
    <logging>
        <accesslog>access.log</accesslog>
        <errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
       <loglevel>2</loglevel> <!-- 4 Debug, 3 Info, 2 Warn, 1 Error -->
    </logging>
    <mount>
        <mount-name>/stream.ogg</mount-name>
        <authentication type="htpasswd">
                <option name="filename" value="passdb"/>
                <option name="allow_duplicate_users" value="0"/>
        </authentication>
    </mount>
</icecast>

When I go to http://localhost:7083/admin/ I see all like explaind in the documentation. I click on "Manage Authentication" and can set up users and passwords. All looks working fine.
 
But when I log on as user at http://localhost:7083/ and try to open the stream by "Click to Listen" I get a HTTP 404 Error - Page not found! The Link "Click to Listen" refers to http://localhost:7083/auth.xsl but this file does not exist. I?ve checkt out als dirs.
 
What the problem? Anything wrong in my configuration?


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From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Fri Mar 11 14:30:58 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:30:58 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Mounting problems...
In-Reply-To: <1c0c8a7a0503110524481baf64@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c0c8a7a0503110524481baf64@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503120023360.11065@data.home>

Hi,

ah..  I see your problem, at least the one which prevents people from being 
able to tune in.  No idea why your Winamp is stuttering though.

the .m3u filetype is a playlist type which is used to send the actual URL 
of a stream to a player so they can open it.  Chances are that Winamp as a 
player won't handle this properly anyway since it does the broken thing of 
looking at file extensions to determine what to do with a stream, rather 
than its MIME type.

but it never gets the chance to find out.  Icecast is programmed to provide 
a playlist if you request <mountname>.m3u.  Icecast seems to be assuming 
that you'd never want to call a mountpoint anything with a .m3u extension, 
so instead of finding the mount /test.m3u, it's actually looking to serve a 
.m3u playlist for the /test mountpoint.  Since there is no /test mount, it 
returns 404.

Bug?  Maybe, maybe not.  Up to the developers to decide I suppose.  On the 
one hand, it's not doing what it probably should do.  On the other hand, 
you probably shouldn't be doing that anyway.

I recommend calling it just /test or /test.mp3

BTW: Unless you're only ever going to listen to streams from your own 
machine, I'd recommend setting the hostname to something meaningful as it 
is used in these generated .m3u playlists to point back to itself so that 
listeners can connect to streams.

Geoff.


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From maillists at conactive.com  Fri Mar 11 14:31:30 2005
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:31:30 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Winamp 0% Buffering mp3 streams
In-Reply-To: <3c173721050310160930aa5711@mail.gmail.com>
References: <VA.00001c15.110f6510@virtual-access.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503110822000.11065@data.home>
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Michael Smith wrote on Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:09:51 +1100:

> Yes, you can use apache instead of icecast's fileserving. Indeed, I'd 
> strongly recommend it if you want to do any significant amount of file 
> serving. Icecast's ability to do this is primarily so that it can 
> serve up files as part of the admin and stats interfaces, and also to 
> provide a simple alternative for people who aren't already running a 
> seperate web server.
>

Understood, thanks. The main reason I asked about the static content was 
that it's most easy to test with in the beginning. When I had the 
Shoutcast server running for a short time before using Icecast I just 
dropped a file in its content area and tested listening. Didn't even 
install a source client at that point. I was missing that easy "first 
point of contact" in Icecast when I installed it :-)
Ahm, related to static content. There is no way of specifying a static 
fallback, is it? What I imagine is that when a source drops/stops 
streaming that some content from a local folder or a URL is played as long 
as this source doesn't reconnect or restart streaming. (Of course, the 
reconnect to the original streaming source isn't possible when redirecting 
to another URL.) Looks like a worthwhile feature to me, but I'm new to 
this, maybe there's no real demand.
I might have found a bug or configuration problem concerning fallbacks. 
When I first experimented with passworded mount points two days ago I used 
the example in the icecast.xml and created two mount points, each 
configured as a fallback for the other. When I restarted Icecast I found 
that it started dieing away, after a few seconds, after a minute. It would 
not even serve pages anymore, but the processes were still there and doing 
nothing special (no ressource loop or so). Since this was my first try 
with passwords I didn't have a clue where that came from. But after a 
while it became clear that it were the fallback tags in the file. After 
removing them all was well. I'll try if I can repro and will post back 
about this. Is this a known problem?
Another problem I noticed is that the username addition sometimes didn't 
work. I got an error "failed to add username" and the interface didn't 
show any already added names, although there was an authentication file. I 
finally put a new name for it in the configuration and started over and it 
works since then. Now I have two seemingly identical files with different 
names there, so the first one should have had them as well. It took me 
some time to find the auth file when I was troubleshooting this, I suggest 
adding its location in the log directory to the documentation.

Kai

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From maillists at conactive.com  Fri Mar 11 16:31:24 2005
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:31:24 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] no auth.xsl
In-Reply-To: <5864CEBF10AD044E87F6142694D59DBD0223D8@srv-01-001.01.dkct.local>
References: <5864CEBF10AD044E87F6142694D59DBD0223D8@srv-01-001.01.dkct.local>
Message-ID: <VA.00001c22.15bb0394@virtual-access.org>

Dennis Engel wrote on Fri, 11 Mar 2005 11:49:18 +0100:

> <authentication> 
>        <source-password>pass</source-password>
> 
>        <relay-password>pass</relay-password>
> 
>        <admin-user>admin</admin-user>
> 
>        <admin-password>pass</admin-password> 
>    </authentication>

Made my own first test with authentication only a few days ago. I wasn't 
aware I can do it like above and have separate admin users for different 
mount points. I just used
<username>source</username>
<password>some pass</password>
which I took right from the icecast.xml example. I'm gonna try it out like 
you described. If that works, it's much better.

> But when I log on as
> user at http://localhost:7083/ and try to open the stream by "Click to
> 
> Listen" I get a HTTP 404 Error - Page not found! The Link "Click to
> Listen" refers to 
> http://localhost:7083/auth.xsl but this file does
> not exist. I?ve checkt out als dirs.

It only exists when a stream is connected. Start streaming and then 
connect a few seconds later. Then it should work.


Kai

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From spectral at ludd.ltu.se  Fri Mar 11 16:46:59 2005
From: spectral at ludd.ltu.se (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jonas_Nyr=E9n?=)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:46:59 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] no auth.xsl
In-Reply-To: <VA.00001c22.15bb0394@virtual-access.org>
References: <5864CEBF10AD044E87F6142694D59DBD0223D8@srv-01-001.01.dkct.local>
	<VA.00001c22.15bb0394@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <4231CB83.2010605@ludd.ltu.se>

Kai Schaetzl wrote:

>Made my own first test with authentication only a few days ago. I wasn't 
>aware I can do it like above and have separate admin users for different 
>mount points. I just used
><username>source</username>
><password>some pass</password>
>which I took right from the icecast.xml example. I'm gonna try it out like 
>you described. If that works, it's much better.
>
>  
>
You've got things wrong here. The authentication Dennis describes is 
listener authentication and not source authentication.

>It only exists when a stream is connected. Start streaming and then 
>connect a few seconds later. Then it should work.
>
>  
>
No, it should always exist. but there should be no link if there is no 
stream provided.

I have no idea really why you have no such file. what is your webroot 
specified as?
it should be in that dir.

/Jonas



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Fri Mar 11 16:47:37 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:47:37 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] no auth.xsl
In-Reply-To: <VA.00001c22.15bb0394@virtual-access.org>
References: <5864CEBF10AD044E87F6142694D59DBD0223D8@srv-01-001.01.dkct.local>
	<VA.00001c22.15bb0394@virtual-access.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503120246390.11065@data.home>

Kai Schaetzl wrote:

> Made my own first test with authentication only a few days ago. I wasn't
> aware I can do it like above and have separate admin users for different
> mount points.

You can't.  The per mount authentication is for listener authentication, 
not admin.

Geoff.



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Fri Mar 11 16:50:36 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:50:36 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] no auth.xsl
In-Reply-To: <4231CB83.2010605@ludd.ltu.se>
References: <5864CEBF10AD044E87F6142694D59DBD0223D8@srv-01-001.01.dkct.local>
	<VA.00001c22.15bb0394@virtual-access.org>
	<4231CB83.2010605@ludd.ltu.se>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503120248190.11065@data.home>

Jonas Nyr?n wrote:

> You've got things wrong here. The authentication Dennis describes is listener 
> authentication and not source authentication.

This is true, though you can of course have different source 
authentications per mounts - it's the usual reason for having a specific 
mount section.

BTW: To comment on the original query - I vaguely recall there being a 
release with the auth.xsl file missing.  But I also thought this was fixed. 
Am I wrong about this?  Maybe the Win32 one wasn't fixed after all?

Geoff.

From maillists at conactive.com  Fri Mar 11 17:31:57 2005
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:31:57 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] no auth.xsl
In-Reply-To: <4231CB83.2010605@ludd.ltu.se>
References: <5864CEBF10AD044E87F6142694D59DBD0223D8@srv-01-001.01.dkct.local>
	<VA.00001c22.15bb0394@virtual-access.org>
	<4231CB83.2010605@ludd.ltu.se>
Message-ID: <VA.00001c24.15f26caa@virtual-access.org>

Jonas Nyr?n wrote on Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:46:59 +0100:

> You've got things wrong here. The authentication Dennis describes is 
> listener authentication and not source authentication. 

I got that. The problem is that I somehow "saw" that first authentication 
section as being in the mount point section which it isn't. That confused 
me into thinking I could set all these values for mount points as well.

> No, it should always exist. but there should be no link if there is no 
> stream provided.
>

Yes, you are right. I confused that with "Source does not exist". When a 
source client is connected, but doesn't stream, then you get this error 
after login.

Kai

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From maillists at conactive.com  Fri Mar 11 17:31:57 2005
From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 18:31:57 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] no auth.xsl
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503120246390.11065@data.home>
References: <5864CEBF10AD044E87F6142694D59DBD0223D8@srv-01-001.01.dkct.local>
	<VA.00001c22.15bb0394@virtual-access.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503120246390.11065@data.home>
Message-ID: <VA.00001c23.15f26ca0@virtual-access.org>

Geoff Shang wrote on Sat, 12 Mar 2005 02:47:37 +1000:

> You can't.  The per mount authentication is for listener authentication, 
> not admin.
>

Oh, I didn't look careful enough, sorry. That mount section doesn't 
encompass those values I mentioned. Somehow I overlooked that. So, it works 
only the way I already have it.

Kai

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Fri Mar 11 20:05:44 2005
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 14:05:44 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] no auth.xsl
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503120248190.11065@data.home>
References: <5864CEBF10AD044E87F6142694D59DBD0223D8@srv-01-001.01.dkct.local>
	<VA.00001c22.15bb0394@virtual-access.org>
	<4231CB83.2010605@ludd.ltu.se>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503120248190.11065@data.home>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050311140345.03301338@www.oddsock.org>

At 10:50 AM 3/11/2005, Geoff Shang wrote:
>Jonas Nyr?n wrote:
>
>>You've got things wrong here. The authentication Dennis describes is 
>>listener authentication and not source authentication.
>
>This is true, though you can of course have different source 
>authentications per mounts - it's the usual reason for having a specific 
>mount section.
>
>BTW: To comment on the original query - I vaguely recall there being a 
>release with the auth.xsl file missing.  But I also thought this was 
>fixed. Am I wrong about this?  Maybe the Win32 one wasn't fixed after all?

I specifically remember fixing this, but for the life of me cannot find any 
evidence that it was fixed...anyway, I've repackaged the win32 setup and it 
now includes auth.xsl.. Sorry about the mixup..it may take a bit for it to 
propagate to all the mirrors...

oddsock




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From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:26:26 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Server Messages
Message-ID: <000601c52678$99e72300$1401a8c0@workstation>

Is there a way to have icecast report server full rather then 404 not found when the max number of clients is reached?

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From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Sat Mar 12 00:23:18 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:23:18 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] Mounting problems...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503120023360.11065@data.home>
References: <1c0c8a7a0503110524481baf64@mail.gmail.com>
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On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 00:30:58 +1000, Geoff Shang <geoff at hitsandpieces.net> wrote:
> 
> but it never gets the chance to find out.  Icecast is programmed to provide
> a playlist if you request <mountname>.m3u.  Icecast seems to be assuming
> that you'd never want to call a mountpoint anything with a .m3u extension,
> so instead of finding the mount /test.m3u, it's actually looking to serve a
> .m3u playlist for the /test mountpoint.  Since there is no /test mount, it
> returns 404.
> 
> Bug?  Maybe, maybe not.  Up to the developers to decide I suppose.  On the
> one hand, it's not doing what it probably should do.  On the other hand,
> you probably shouldn't be doing that anyway.
> 

I think (and I haven't tested it recently, but this is how I designed
it) the /test.m3u request serving a playlist should only happen in
/test is a currently-existing mountpoint. If it isn't, the code will
continue on - and should serve the stream. It probably confuses winamp
and other buggy clients, though.

Mike


From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Sat Mar 12 00:50:31 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:50:31 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] Server Messages
In-Reply-To: <000601c52678$99e72300$1401a8c0@workstation>
References: <000601c52678$99e72300$1401a8c0@workstation>
Message-ID: <3c17372105031116505217f479@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 11 Mar 2005 15:26:26 -0500, Jason <Jason at weatherserver.net> wrote:
>  
> Is there a way to have icecast report server full rather then 404 not found
> when the max number of clients is reached? 

I don't think there's an appropriate HTTP error code to use for this.
If there is one, we could change icecast to use it (possibly), but the
current version doesn't have any options for this.

Mike


From justinabomb at gmail.com  Sat Mar 12 01:05:04 2005
From: justinabomb at gmail.com (Justin Bot)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 17:05:04 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] nub help with playlist file please
Message-ID: <798b2d8305031117055c2e59dc@mail.gmail.com>

Hey everyone. I'm kinda-totally-not-so new to this ices/icecast game,
so please bare with me if I'm being kind of newbish. :)

I have everything installed and working fine and dandy, except for one
thing. Ices doesn't like my playlist.txt. Major bummer. It tells me
that it isn't a valid playlist file, though I'm creating it with full
paths, one file per line, with a find | grep > playlist.txt type
command.

Already, I've reviewed old information about how it can read perl
files and such, but also basic playlists (hopefully) such as the one
I've created that is just that; basic.

Am I missing something? Should it have xml tags or anything else?
Maybe it's the hard-return that's messing with it?

Thanks so much in advance!
-j


From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Sat Mar 12 05:34:18 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 15:34:18 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Server Messages
In-Reply-To: <3c17372105031116505217f479@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000601c52678$99e72300$1401a8c0@workstation>
	<3c17372105031116505217f479@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503121531500.11065@data.home>

Michael Smith wrote:

> I don't think there's an appropriate HTTP error code to use for this.

I think Shoutcast uses 400.  But not sure.  But they also use 401 if 
there's no stream.

I guess you could use 403 as access would indeed be forbidden.  (must go 
look through the return codes again and see if there's anything better)

Geoff.




From xechorizo at gmail.com  Sat Mar 12 05:40:20 2005
From: xechorizo at gmail.com (Xechorizo)
Date: Fri, 11 Mar 2005 22:40:20 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Mounting problems...
Message-ID: <1c0c8a7a05031121406f0c28f1@mail.gmail.com>

I set the mount to just "test" and now my iRadio picks up on the
http://myip:7144:test.m3u but it tells me Error 88 - Unknown Media
Type.  And my Winamp still skips when this happens.  Everyone who
tries to connects hangs.


From Jason at Weatherserver.net  Sat Mar 12 06:16:09 2005
From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 01:16:09 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Server Messages
References: <000601c52678$99e72300$1401a8c0@workstation><3c17372105031116505217f479@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503121531500.11065@data.home>
Message-ID: <001601c526ca$fbad1200$1401a8c0@workstation>

Well you could use  Error 503 - Service unavailable  if the feed is offline.

Then do like IIS does and make it's own up  :-p

      403.9 Access Forbidden: Too many users are connected 



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoff Shang" <geoff at hitsandpieces.net>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2005 12:34 AM
Subject: Re: [Icecast] Server Messages


> Michael Smith wrote:
> 
>> I don't think there's an appropriate HTTP error code to use for this.
> 
> I think Shoutcast uses 400.  But not sure.  But they also use 401 if 
> there's no stream.
> 
> I guess you could use 403 as access would indeed be forbidden.  (must go 
> look through the return codes again and see if there's anything better)
> 
> Geoff.
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>



From hick.icecast at gink.org  Sat Mar 12 08:27:54 2005
From: hick.icecast at gink.org (gARetH baBB)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:27:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Icecast] Mounting problems...
In-Reply-To: <3c1737210503111623304b0cff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1c0c8a7a0503110524481baf64@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503120023360.11065@data.home>
	<3c1737210503111623304b0cff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0503120825590.24715@stum.gink.org>

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, Michael Smith wrote:

> I think (and I haven't tested it recently, but this is how I designed
> it) the /test.m3u request serving a playlist should only happen in
> /test is a currently-existing mountpoint.

It doesn't.

<anything>.m3u gets served up a generated .m3u file.


From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Sat Mar 12 09:31:03 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 20:31:03 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] Mounting problems...
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.60.0503120825590.24715@stum.gink.org>
References: <1c0c8a7a0503110524481baf64@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503120023360.11065@data.home>
	<3c1737210503111623304b0cff@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.60.0503120825590.24715@stum.gink.org>
Message-ID: <3c1737210503120131356595e3@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, 12 Mar 2005 08:27:54 +0000 (UTC), gARetH baBB
<hick.icecast at gink.org> wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Mar 2005, Michael Smith wrote:
> 
> > I think (and I haven't tested it recently, but this is how I designed
> > it) the /test.m3u request serving a playlist should only happen in
> > /test is a currently-existing mountpoint.
> 
> It doesn't.
> 
> <anything>.m3u gets served up a generated .m3u file.

Yeah. Looks like I misremembered. I guess this is so we can serve m3u
files for other things (e.g. static files).

Mike


From justinabomb at gmail.com  Sat Mar 12 19:57:08 2005
From: justinabomb at gmail.com (Justin Bot)
Date: Sat, 12 Mar 2005 11:57:08 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] Possible to mount an M3U file?
Message-ID: <798b2d83050312115761b61f52@mail.gmail.com>

Is it possible to just set the mount point to an .m3u and have every
file listed in there respectively with full path?


From jr at barix.com  Sun Mar 13 00:31:18 2005
From: jr at barix.com (Johannes G. Rietschel)
Date: Sun, 13 Mar 2005 01:31:18 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] answer to recent post
Message-ID: <OFB908D04F.B9D9344F-ONC1256FC3.00028E08-C1256FC3.0002D732@prominic.com>

Hi there, I just saw this post on the mailing list.

Quite some users in the broadcast industry use our "Instreamer", a 
real-time embedded mp3 encoder. It has an S/PDIF interface (unfortunately 
no AES/EBU) but there are inexpensive converters from AES/EBU to S/PDIF. 
And the Instreamer itself is also considered very inexpensive.

Greetings

Johannes Rietschel
Barix AG


Joe Mays mays at win.net 
Mon Feb 21 14:13:44 PST 2005 
Previous message: [Icecast] theora streaming problem... 
Next message: [Icecast] AES/EBU Feed 
Messages sorted by: [ date ] [ thread ] [ subject ] [ author ] 

Does anyone have any suggestions on how to take an AES/EBU digital feed 
and turn it
into an icecast protocol stream for sending to an icecast server? In 
particular
hardware and software suggestions would be helpful, for either unix or 
windows.

Thanks for any advice anyone can give.

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From toneshue at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 14 10:32:52 2005
From: toneshue at yahoo.com (tony shu)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:32:52 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Icecast] connecting
Message-ID: <20050314103252.9735.qmail@web31710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

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From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 10:34:38 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 21:34:38 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] connecting
In-Reply-To: <20050314103252.9735.qmail@web31710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <20050314103252.9735.qmail@web31710.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3c17372105031402342712948c@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 02:32:52 -0800 (PST), tony shu <toneshue at yahoo.com> wrote:
> hi,       my name is tony I have little problem to connect.  server is up,
> but not connect for me to listen...  please help me....thanks  

There's no way we can help you if you give us no details at all about
what you're doing with icecast.

To begin with:
 - what version of icecast?
 - what source client are you using?
 - what OS are you using?
 - what are you trying to connect to the server with?
 - what errors are you getting when you try?

More questions will probably follow once you give us some idea what
you're doing.

Mike


From jaime at experienceproductions.com  Mon Mar 14 16:24:52 2005
From: jaime at experienceproductions.com (Jaime Magiera)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:24:52 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast on OS X
Message-ID: <b9de51644bedddabdf6a974b71cc4cc7@experienceproductions.com>

Long, long ago, in a galaxy far away, I compiled and installed Icecast 
on OS X. However, after building from the latest source, I'm seeing an 
error on launch. The error relates to the poll() function (which 
apparently isn't functional in OS X):

poll.c:282: failed assertion `pArray != (struct pollfd *) NULL'

Did I compile wrong? Is this a known issue? Anyone successfully build 
the latest sources on OS X?

thanks,

Jaime



From stephane.peron at anaximandre.com  Mon Mar 14 16:39:28 2005
From: stephane.peron at anaximandre.com (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?St=E9phane_P=E9ron?=)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 17:39:28 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] fallback time
Message-ID: <9be51d41413f455d2c2ba4c72304e57c@anaximandre.com>


Hi
I have an icecast server that relay a remote stream, with a local 
fallback mountpoint. When I unplug the network cable (just for test), 
icecast falls back to the local mountpoint after a few seconds. When I 
re-plug, I have to wait 1or 2 minutes before moving back to the remote 
stream. Why is it so long ?
I'm using the default parameters, with a 128 kbps stream.

<icecast>
     <limits>
         <clients>100</clients>
         <sources>2</sources>
         <threadpool>5</threadpool>
         <queue-size>102400</queue-size>
         <client-timeout>30</client-timeout>
         <header-timeout>15</header-timeout>
         <source-timeout>10</source-timeout>
         <burst-size>65535</burst-size>
     </limits>

     <hostname>localhost</hostname>
     <listen-socket>
         <port>8000</port>
     </listen-socket>

     <mount>
         <mount-name>/arvorig</mount-name>
         <fallback-mount>/secours</fallback-mount>
         <fallback-override>1</fallback-override>
         <authentication type="htpasswd">
                 <option name="filename" 
value="/usr/local/share/icecast/myauth"/>
                 <option name="allow_duplicate_users" value="0"/>
         </authentication>
     </mount>

      <relay>
         <server>192.128.0.41</server>
         <port>8000</port>
         <mount>/arvorig</mount>
         <local-mount>/arvorig</local-mount>
         <username>********</username>
         <password>********</password>
         <relay-shoutcast-metadata>1</relay-shoutcast-metadata>
     </relay>

     <mount>
         <mount-name>/secours</mount-name>
         <authentication type="htpasswd">
                 <option name="filename" 
value="/usr/local/share/icecast/myauth"/>
                 <option name="allow_duplicate_users" value="0"/>
         </authentication>
     </mount>
     <fileserve>1</fileserve>
</icecast>

Stephane




From karl at xiph.org  Mon Mar 14 16:49:50 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 14 Mar 2005 16:49:50 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] fallback time
In-Reply-To: <9be51d41413f455d2c2ba4c72304e57c@anaximandre.com>
References: <9be51d41413f455d2c2ba4c72304e57c@anaximandre.com>
Message-ID: <1110818989.10518.7.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 16:39, St?phane P?ron wrote:
> Hi
> I have an icecast server that relay a remote stream, with a local 
> fallback mountpoint. When I unplug the network cable (just for test), 
> icecast falls back to the local mountpoint after a few seconds. When I 
> re-plug, I have to wait 1or 2 minutes before moving back to the remote 
> stream. Why is it so long ?
> I'm using the default parameters, with a 128 kbps stream.

because the default master-update-interval is 120 seconds. Either reduce
the time between updates or send HUP

karl.




From karl at xiph.org  Mon Mar 14 16:52:10 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 14 Mar 2005 16:52:10 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast on OS X
In-Reply-To: <b9de51644bedddabdf6a974b71cc4cc7@experienceproductions.com>
References: <b9de51644bedddabdf6a974b71cc4cc7@experienceproductions.com>
Message-ID: <1110819130.10518.11.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Mon, 2005-03-14 at 16:24, Jaime Magiera wrote:
> Long, long ago, in a galaxy far away, I compiled and installed Icecast 
> on OS X. However, after building from the latest source, I'm seeing an 
> error on launch. The error relates to the poll() function (which 
> apparently isn't functional in OS X):
> 
> poll.c:282: failed assertion `pArray != (struct pollfd *) NULL'
> 
> Did I compile wrong? Is this a known issue? Anyone successfully build 
> the latest sources on OS X?

It's known and fixed in SVN. Either extract completely from SVN or just
replace your fserve.c file from

http://svn.xiph.org/icecast/trunk/icecast/src/fserve.c

karl.




From jaime at experienceproductions.com  Mon Mar 14 16:51:24 2005
From: jaime at experienceproductions.com (Jaime Magiera)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 11:51:24 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast on OS X
In-Reply-To: <1110819130.10518.11.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
References: <b9de51644bedddabdf6a974b71cc4cc7@experienceproductions.com>
	<1110819130.10518.11.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <6178c01ebdf6dcdd96991586e9e0904f@experienceproductions.com>

On Mar 14, 2005, at 11:52 AM, Karl Heyes wrote:
> It's known and fixed in SVN. Either extract completely from SVN or just
> replace your fserve.c file from
>
> http://svn.xiph.org/icecast/trunk/icecast/src/fserve.c
>
> karl.

Thank you.

Jaime Magiera
University of Michigan
Department of Geological Sciences
jaimelm at umich.edu
(734) 764-7495



From jaime at experienceproductions.com  Mon Mar 14 21:09:25 2005
From: jaime at experienceproductions.com (Jaime Magiera)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:09:25 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] an OS X installer
Message-ID: <d4eda171aae1b3eb11e4abb93661c0f7@experienceproductions.com>

Now that I've got the recent build of Icecast running (thanks 
everyone), I'm wondering about an OS X installer. Icecast would be even 
more palatable to the less-techy OSX users if there were an installer 
for the binary. As long as the installer checked for the dependent 
libs, everything would be straight forward.

Has this been discussed before?

Jaime Magiera
University of Michigan
Department of Geological Sciences
jaimelm at umich.edu
(734) 764-7495



From danstowell at gmail.com  Mon Mar 14 22:28:49 2005
From: danstowell at gmail.com (Dan Stowell)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 22:28:49 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] an OS X installer
In-Reply-To: <d4eda171aae1b3eb11e4abb93661c0f7@experienceproductions.com>
References: <d4eda171aae1b3eb11e4abb93661c0f7@experienceproductions.com>
Message-ID: <286e6b7c05031414286883a828@mail.gmail.com>

I don't want to pour water on this idea since a nice installer would
be helpful for the "less-techy" (had to climb a pretty steep learning
curve myself...).

But I do want to point out that both "fink" and "darwinports" provide
nice ways to install UNIX software such as icecast onto OS X, and they
magically fulfill the dependencies etc. Are you aware of those? It's
true that they are still primarily command-line tools, so they're
still a little intimidating to people who have never launched the
Terminal...

Personally, I've no idea how to go about creating an OSX installer.
Would it even be able to check and fulfill dependencies? Or would it
simply need to carry all the other libraries along with it?

Dan


On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:09:25 -0500, Jaime Magiera
<jaime at experienceproductions.com> wrote:
> Now that I've got the recent build of Icecast running (thanks
> everyone), I'm wondering about an OS X installer. Icecast would be even
> more palatable to the less-techy OSX users if there were an installer
> for the binary. As long as the installer checked for the dependent
> libs, everything would be straight forward.
> 
> Has this been discussed before?
> 
> Jaime Magiera
> University of Michigan
> Department of Geological Sciences
> jaimelm at umich.edu
> (734) 764-7495
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
> 


-- 
http://www.mcld.co.uk


From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Tue Mar 15 00:20:57 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 11:20:57 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] an OS X installer
In-Reply-To: <d4eda171aae1b3eb11e4abb93661c0f7@experienceproductions.com>
References: <d4eda171aae1b3eb11e4abb93661c0f7@experienceproductions.com>
Message-ID: <3c1737210503141620254722ff@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 14 Mar 2005 16:09:25 -0500, Jaime Magiera
<jaime at experienceproductions.com> wrote:
> Now that I've got the recent build of Icecast running (thanks
> everyone), I'm wondering about an OS X installer. Icecast would be even
> more palatable to the less-techy OSX users if there were an installer
> for the binary. As long as the installer checked for the dependent
> libs, everything would be straight forward.
> 
> Has this been discussed before?

As far as I can remember, nobody has discussed this. 

We don't (as you've probably noticed already) really have much OSX
knowledge within the "icecast team", but we'd love to include an
installer if someone else were to develop it.

Mike


From jaime at experienceproductions.com  Tue Mar 15 00:44:17 2005
From: jaime at experienceproductions.com (Jaime Magiera)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:44:17 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] an OS X installer
In-Reply-To: <286e6b7c05031414286883a828@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4eda171aae1b3eb11e4abb93661c0f7@experienceproductions.com>
	<286e6b7c05031414286883a828@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <62ef1014e18bb7355a359090a4f2d71b@experienceproductions.com>

On Mar 14, 2005, at 5:28 PM, Dan Stowell wrote:

> I don't want to pour water on this idea since a nice installer would
> be helpful for the "less-techy" (had to climb a pretty steep learning
> curve myself...).

no worries. These are just observations.

> But I do want to point out that both "fink" and "darwinports" provide
> nice ways to install UNIX software such as icecast onto OS X, and they
> magically fulfill the dependencies etc. Are you aware of those? It's
> true that they are still primarily command-line tools,

In a way, that reinforces the point. The Mac experience, until 
recently, did not include a terminal. There were a few terminal based 
applications/environments (Common LISP/MUSIC and a few pseudo-unixes), 
but for the most part, it was all graphical. A traditional Mac user 
didn't think along those lines. In general, installation of 
applications was a straightforward process. You clicked a button, the 
installer let you know if there were any dependencies or necessary 
restarts -- and boom -- you get to watch the fuzzy blue thermometer. 
Basically, I'm describing the same steps as the terminal installer, 
minus a few important graphical cues. However, those cues, and the 
overall presentation of the installer, really color the user 
experience. Apple seems to have made a consistent effort to keep the 
terminal-esque aspects of BSD hidden as much as possible. Which is 
probably a good idea. Many Mac users don't really even know what a 
terminal is. Generally, apps are installed from a disk image; some by 
dragging the image to the "Applications" folder, some by clicking on an 
actual installer.  Even in OS X Server,  Apple tries to move away from 
the terminal (though not so successfully yet).

It's not a big deal by any means. However, I'd be willing to wager that 
Icecast would substantially increase its Mac user base with a simple 
GUI installer. Would make my life easier to :)

> Personally, I've no idea how to go about creating an OSX installer.
> Would it even be able to check and fulfill dependencies? Or would it
> simply need to carry all the other libraries along with it?

You could go either route. There are installers that can check 
installed components (by checking in /Library/Receipts/ or in this 
case, the typical BSD paths). If you did it without including the 
dependent libs, the installer can pop up a window saying "You cannot 
install on this disk because [you don't have libxml installed]".  The 
installer can also provide for optional install components, where the 
dependencies could be installed after a version check. These features 
are actually provided by a preferred OS X method -- packages. They are 
created by /Developer/Applications/Utilities/PackageMaker.app and can 
have multiple pre- and post- install scripts attached to the them.

It wouldn't be hard to put an installer together. I was actually going 
to build one just for my own ease of use. I'd be willing to share that 
with folks on the list if the Icecast folks don't mind. If they do, 
I'll scrap the idea and say no more.

jaime




From jaime at experienceproductions.com  Tue Mar 15 00:49:00 2005
From: jaime at experienceproductions.com (Jaime Magiera)
Date: Mon, 14 Mar 2005 19:49:00 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] an OS X installer
In-Reply-To: <3c1737210503141620254722ff@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4eda171aae1b3eb11e4abb93661c0f7@experienceproductions.com>
	<3c1737210503141620254722ff@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <e1e6da841883cbe8e1d0194ef8366bb1@experienceproductions.com>

On Mar 14, 2005, at 7:20 PM, Michael Smith wrote:

>
> As far as I can remember, nobody has discussed this.

...hmmm

>
> We don't (as you've probably noticed already) really have much OSX
> knowledge within the "icecast team",

Yep, that was starting to dawn on me :)

>  but we'd love to include an
> installer if someone else were to develop it.

Ok, I have to prepare for Netstock the next few days. After Sunday, I 
can can put something together.

Has Netstock been mentioned here? Is anyone else here involved?

Jaime



From danstowell at gmail.com  Tue Mar 15 10:42:33 2005
From: danstowell at gmail.com (Dan Stowell)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 10:42:33 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] an OS X installer
In-Reply-To: <62ef1014e18bb7355a359090a4f2d71b@experienceproductions.com>
References: <d4eda171aae1b3eb11e4abb93661c0f7@experienceproductions.com>
	<286e6b7c05031414286883a828@mail.gmail.com>
	<62ef1014e18bb7355a359090a4f2d71b@experienceproductions.com>
Message-ID: <286e6b7c05031502427f8ec46@mail.gmail.com>

> It's not a big deal by any means. However, I'd be willing to wager that
> Icecast would substantially increase its Mac user base with a simple
> GUI installer. Would make my life easier to :)

Absolutely. It's definitely worth doing.

> > Personally, I've no idea how to go about creating an OSX installer.
> > Would it even be able to check and fulfill dependencies? Or would it
> > simply need to carry all the other libraries along with it?
> 
> You could go either route. There are installers that can check
> installed components (by checking in /Library/Receipts/ or in this
> case, the typical BSD paths). If you did it without including the
> dependent libs, the installer can pop up a window saying "You cannot
> install on this disk because [you don't have libxml installed]".  The
> installer can also provide for optional install components, where the
> dependencies could be installed after a version check. These features
> are actually provided by a preferred OS X method -- packages. They are
> created by /Developer/Applications/Utilities/PackageMaker.app and can
> have multiple pre- and post- install scripts attached to the them.

The "Nicecast" software for OSX http://www.rogueamoeba.com/nicecast
comes with icecast and its prerequisites built in, and starts
broadcasting at a single click, with no installation/config required.
This is very nice indeed.

So my vote would be for an OSX app with the necessary libraries
bundled in, so we can have the mind-blowing ease of use that really
helps people get into a piece of software. However, the problem that
remains is the config. Since icecast has no real GUI, how are people
going to set it going, or choose what it should be broadcasting? The
XML config file has to be set up somehow, and ideally should be able
to be edited without re-installing...


> It wouldn't be hard to put an installer together. I was actually going
> to build one just for my own ease of use. I'd be willing to share that
> with folks on the list if the Icecast folks don't mind. If they do,
> I'll scrap the idea and say no more.

Pleeeeeeeease do it! I'm sorry I don't quite have the background
knowledge to do it straight away myself. But if I can help then let me
know.

Dan

-- 
http://www.mcld.co.uk


From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Tue Mar 15 12:29:19 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 15 Mar 2005 23:29:19 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] an OS X installer
In-Reply-To: <286e6b7c05031502427f8ec46@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4eda171aae1b3eb11e4abb93661c0f7@experienceproductions.com>
	<286e6b7c05031414286883a828@mail.gmail.com>
	<62ef1014e18bb7355a359090a4f2d71b@experienceproductions.com>
	<286e6b7c05031502427f8ec46@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3c1737210503150429349869cc@mail.gmail.com>

> 
> So my vote would be for an OSX app with the necessary libraries
> bundled in, so we can have the mind-blowing ease of use that really
> helps people get into a piece of software. However, the problem that
> remains is the config. Since icecast has no real GUI, how are people
> going to set it going, or choose what it should be broadcasting? The
> XML config file has to be set up somehow, and ideally should be able
> to be edited without re-installing...

Really, the default config only needs a few simple things set. The
installer could presumably figure appropriate values out, and insert
them into the config. A user could then edit the config if they wanted
to change anything.

At a minimum:
 - Various paths need to be configured. Some of these may need to be
created, if they don't already.
 - The hostname needs to be filled in accurately/correctly

The former is trivial. The latter is, presumably, a little more work. 

As for "choosing what it should be broadcasting" - this isn't what
icecast does. That's for the source client to decide...

Note to self: figure out hostname per client by parsing Host header.
Then <hostname> is just needed as a fallback for the crappy clients.

Mike


From lists at videonetwork.org  Wed Mar 16 16:22:41 2005
From: lists at videonetwork.org (Ben Edwards (lists))
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:22:41 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] ezstream
In-Reply-To: <3c17372105030314466c2fa6a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1109861448.4117.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<3c17372105030314466c2fa6a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1110990162.5320.22.camel@localhost.localdomain>

On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 09:46 +1100, Michael Smith wrote:
...
> Compared to ices2, ezstream is very simple - easy to set up, easy to
> use. It's also much, much less featureful. ezstream supports some
> formats that ices2 doesn't, though. It also runs on some platforms
> that ices2 doesn't (notably windows).
> 
> If you really need mp3, you might also consider ices0, which, despite
> the similar name and low version number, is a seperate program from
> ices2, and is very stable and usable.

Can ezstream stream live (i.e. from the sound card).  Also can it do 2
streams at once in the way darkice can?

Has anyone done any documentation how-tos for it apart what is on the
page at http://www.icecast.org/ezstream.php.  I cant quite work out
where the re-encode stuff fits in.  

Regards,
Ben

> Mike
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From jbebel at ncsu.edu  Wed Mar 16 17:50:32 2005
From: jbebel at ncsu.edu (Joel Ebel)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 12:50:32 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] ezstream
In-Reply-To: <1110990162.5320.22.camel@localhost.localdomain>
References: <1109861448.4117.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>	<3c17372105030314466c2fa6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1110990162.5320.22.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <423871E8.6010600@ncsu.edu>

ezstream is only for streaming files and playlists.  Not live audio.
Darkice (ogg and mp3), ices2 (ogg only), or liveice (I think mp3 only,
but never used it) are better choices for doing live audio.  ezstream is
designed to be really simple, so it surprises me that re-encoding was
included in it at all.  ezstream can only stream one source to one
icecast server/mountpoint.  To my knowledge the only documentation is on
the web page and in the source package.  The config file examples show
pretty well what needs to be done to re-encode.  Now the ezstream has
re-encoding and metadata updating and the like, it has surpassed the
simplicity I wanted for my uses.  I'm probably going to write an even
simpler client for my purposes of just repeating an offline message over
and over.

Joel

Ben Edwards (lists) wrote:
> On Fri, 2005-03-04 at 09:46 +1100, Michael Smith wrote:
> ...
> 
>>Compared to ices2, ezstream is very simple - easy to set up, easy to
>>use. It's also much, much less featureful. ezstream supports some
>>formats that ices2 doesn't, though. It also runs on some platforms
>>that ices2 doesn't (notably windows).
>>
>>If you really need mp3, you might also consider ices0, which, despite
>>the similar name and low version number, is a seperate program from
>>ices2, and is very stable and usable.
> 
> 
> Can ezstream stream live (i.e. from the sound card).  Also can it do 2
> streams at once in the way darkice can?
> 
> Has anyone done any documentation how-tos for it apart what is on the
> page at http://www.icecast.org/ezstream.php.  I cant quite work out
> where the re-encode stuff fits in.  
> 
> Regards,
> Ben
> 
> 
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>Icecast mailing list
>>Icecast at xiph.org
>>http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast



From jaime at experienceproductions.com  Wed Mar 16 22:22:16 2005
From: jaime at experienceproductions.com (Jaime Magiera)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:22:16 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast on Mandrake
Message-ID: <bf825cdcbea396f9640c436ccbf11753@experienceproductions.com>

So, I'm trying to install Icecast on Mandrake 10.0 now. Don't know much 
about the operating system, but it would be nice to have it on another 
server for the festival. The ./configure script tells me...

configure: error: XSLT configuration could not be found

I've installed the most recent XSLT lib, but still don't see a config 
file for it. Should I be running a script to create such a XSLT config? 
I see that icecast config has a parameter to set the path to such a 
file, so I'm assuming after I create/locate it, everything will fall 
into place.

Any help is appreciated,

Jaime



From oddsock at oddsock.org  Wed Mar 16 22:41:00 2005
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 16:41:00 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast on Mandrake
In-Reply-To: <bf825cdcbea396f9640c436ccbf11753@experienceproductions.com
 >
References: <bf825cdcbea396f9640c436ccbf11753@experienceproductions.com>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050316163938.03312e68@www.oddsock.org>

IIRC Mandrake uses RPMs and as such, you'll need the -devel packages for 
all the Icecast library dependencies...(i.e. libxslt-devel, libxml2-devel, 
etc.)

oddsock
At 04:22 PM 3/16/2005, you wrote:
>So, I'm trying to install Icecast on Mandrake 10.0 now. Don't know much 
>about the operating system, but it would be nice to have it on another 
>server for the festival. The ./configure script tells me...
>
>configure: error: XSLT configuration could not be found
>
>I've installed the most recent XSLT lib, but still don't see a config file 
>for it. Should I be running a script to create such a XSLT config? I see 
>that icecast config has a parameter to set the path to such a file, so I'm 
>assuming after I create/locate it, everything will fall into place.
>
>Any help is appreciated,
>
>Jaime
>
>_______________________________________________
>Icecast mailing list
>Icecast at xiph.org
>http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
>




From jaime at experienceproductions.com  Wed Mar 16 22:50:41 2005
From: jaime at experienceproductions.com (Jaime Magiera)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 17:50:41 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast on Mandrake
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0503162334160.19853-100000@five>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0503162334160.19853-100000@five>
Message-ID: <dec130ed4701404f5c7786aa5fa9a0a2@experienceproductions.com>

On Mar 16, 2005, at 5:34 PM, Rolf Johansson wrote:

> Have you installed the XSLT development libs?
>
> /Rolf

On Mar 16, 2005, at 5:41 PM, oddsock wrote:

> IIRC Mandrake uses RPMs and as such, you'll need the -devel packages 
> for all the Icecast library dependencies...(i.e. libxslt-devel, 
> libxml2-devel, etc.)

Thanks guys. I'll do that right now.

Jaime



From jep at servicez.org  Wed Mar 16 21:58:08 2005
From: jep at servicez.org (Jesper Weiland)
Date: Wed, 16 Mar 2005 22:58:08 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Client has fallen behind
Message-ID: <4238ABF0.10109@servicez.org>

Hi Guys,

I have a lot of streaming running with Icecast (Icecast 2.1-kh5) and 
they work fine on (for example) winamp. The fact is that we have many
listeners tuning in with mp3-web-radio's on slow connections. Some of 
the streams connect only once in a few time. They connect and disconnect
after sending 8k.

The error is:

[2005-03-16  11:20:07] DBUG source/send_to_listener Client has fallen 
too far behind, removing

I don't think it has fallen behind, because it didn't really send data 
yet. What can be wrong? I use the KH5 version because of the Intro feature.

Thanks,

Jesper

My Config:

<icecast>
     <limits>
         <clients>1000000</clients>
         <sources>1000000</sources>
         <threadpool>5</threadpool>
         <queue-size>102400</queue-size>
         <client-timeout>30</client-timeout>
         <header-timeout>30</header-timeout>
         <source-timeout>40</source-timeout>
         <burst-on-connect>1</burst-on-connect>
         <burst-size>65535</burst-size>
     </limits>
     <authentication>
         <source-password>neasafat</source-password>
         <relay-password>asfa</relay-password>
         <admin-user>sdfdsdf</admin-user>
         <admin-password>sdfsdf</admin-password>
     </authentication>
     <hostname>213.193.238.96</hostname>
     <listen-socket>
         <port>8000</port>
     </listen-socket>
     <fileserve>1</fileserve>
     <paths>
         <basedir>/usr/share/icecast2</basedir>
         <logdir>/var/log/icecast2</logdir>
         <webroot>/usr/share/icecast2/web</webroot>
         <adminroot>/usr/share/icecast2/admin</adminroot>
         <alias source="/" dest="/status.xsl"/>
     </paths>
     <logging>
         <accesslog>access.log</accesslog>
         <errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
         <loglevel>3</loglevel> <!-- 4 Debug, 3 Info, 2 Warn, 1 Error -->
     </logging>
     <security>
         <chroot>0</chroot>
         <changeowner>
             <user>icecast2</user>
             <group>nogroup</group>
         </changeowner>
     </security>
</icecast>


From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Thu Mar 17 06:36:59 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:36:59 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] ezstream
In-Reply-To: <423871E8.6010600@ncsu.edu>
References: <1109861448.4117.3.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<3c17372105030314466c2fa6a@mail.gmail.com>
	<1110990162.5320.22.camel@localhost.localdomain>
	<423871E8.6010600@ncsu.edu>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503171635490.29526@data.home>

Hi,

I think the re-encoding stuff was added to fascilitate Theora streaming. 
THere's no need for you to use it, and AFAIK you can just leave that stuff 
out altogether if you don't want it.

Geoff.


-- 
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Phone: +61-418-96-5590
MSN: geoff at acbradio.org

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From jaime at experienceproductions.com  Thu Mar 17 07:39:42 2005
From: jaime at experienceproductions.com (Jaime Magiera)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 02:39:42 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] thanks
Message-ID: <8e3934ba64238dd617e5e02d3a700673@experienceproductions.com>

Just a quick thanks to everyone who helped me out. Icecast is now 
running on two OS X boxes and one Mandrake Linux box here. Tomorrow, 
I'll be adding another OS X and a FreeBSD to the list. These will all 
be used to mirror the Netstockfest (http://www.netstockfest.net). 
Though I've got several years working with Quicktime Streaming, Icecast 
had a slight learning curve for me. Your help is appreciated.

Jaime



From karl at xiph.org  Thu Mar 17 14:38:45 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 17 Mar 2005 14:38:45 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Client has fallen behind
In-Reply-To: <4238ABF0.10109@servicez.org>
References: <4238ABF0.10109@servicez.org>
Message-ID: <1111070324.15850.51.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Wed, 2005-03-16 at 21:58, Jesper Weiland wrote:
> Hi Guys,
> 
> I have a lot of streaming running with Icecast (Icecast 2.1-kh5) and 
> they work fine on (for example) winamp. The fact is that we have many
> listeners tuning in with mp3-web-radio's on slow connections. Some of 
> the streams connect only once in a few time. They connect and disconnect
> after sending 8k.

first off, kh6 has been out for a while now.

> The error is:
> 
> [2005-03-16  11:20:07] DBUG source/send_to_listener Client has fallen 
> too far behind, removing
> 
> I don't think it has fallen behind, because it didn't really send data 
> yet. What can be wrong? I use the KH5 version because of the Intro feature.

There are various causes for this and it's hard/impossible for icecast
to determine exactly why.  Make sure the queue (queue-size) is big
enough for large lags, and make sure that the icecast to listener
connection can maintain the stream bitrate, watch for large latency
(ping) times (slow response time can really knock down bitrate)

> My Config:
> 
> <icecast>
>      <limits>
>          <clients>1000000</clients>
>          <sources>1000000</sources>

that's a lot of streams.

karl




From denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com  Thu Mar 17 17:12:49 2005
From: denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com (Denis Paschoalinoto)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 14:12:49 -0300
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio
Message-ID: <77a44d4c0503170912535fc90@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, 

I created an Icecast 2.2.0 server in my Windows XP, and I am sending
audio to it by using Winamp 2.95 with Oddcast.

In the same machine that I am running Icecast, I open an Internet
Explorer window and enter http://169.254.31.193:8000/live.m3u (my
radio?s address). The radio can be heard without problems in Windows
Media Player, even while Winamp is broadcasting audio to Icecast! Up
to here, OK.

However, my friends aren?t able to hear the radio by typing
http://169.254.31.193:8000/live.m3u in their Internet Explorers.
Message in this browser is "URL not found".

This happens even while server is "running", Winamp is playing and
Oddcast is "connected".

Please, anyone has any hint or suggestion about it?

Thank you very much for your attention and big embraces!

Denis.


From Jason at Weatherserver.net  Thu Mar 17 23:18:53 2005
From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:18:53 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio
References: <77a44d4c0503170912535fc90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c52b47$afa42610$1400000a@workstation>

Make sure you setup port forwarding in your router if you have one.  If you 
don't have a router and you have firewall software you will need to open up 
port 8000 on your firewall.


If those fail your ISP may block port 8000



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Denis Paschoalinoto" <denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 12:12 PM
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio


Hi,

I created an Icecast 2.2.0 server in my Windows XP, and I am sending
audio to it by using Winamp 2.95 with Oddcast.

In the same machine that I am running Icecast, I open an Internet
Explorer window and enter http://169.254.31.193:8000/live.m3u (my
radio?s address). The radio can be heard without problems in Windows
Media Player, even while Winamp is broadcasting audio to Icecast! Up
to here, OK.

However, my friends aren?t able to hear the radio by typing
http://169.254.31.193:8000/live.m3u in their Internet Explorers.
Message in this browser is "URL not found".

This happens even while server is "running", Winamp is playing and
Oddcast is "connected".

Please, anyone has any hint or suggestion about it?

Thank you very much for your attention and big embraces!

Denis.
_______________________________________________
Icecast mailing list
Icecast at xiph.org
http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast




From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Thu Mar 17 23:21:56 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 09:21:56 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Re: Am I subscribed?
In-Reply-To: <77a44d4c050317124359c083f2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77a44d4c050317124359c083f2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503180920550.29526@data.home>

Hi,

At least at the time you wrote this message, you were not subscribed, as 
the list flagged it up for approval because you were not a list member.

Geoff.


-- 
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Phone: +61-418-96-5590
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From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Fri Mar 18 00:43:03 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 10:43:03 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio
In-Reply-To: <77a44d4c0503170912535fc90@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77a44d4c0503170912535fc90@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503181034520.29526@data.home>

Denis Paschoalinoto wrote:

> http://169.254.31.193:8000/live.m3u

169.254 addresses are not routed on the net - no-one outside your subnet 
will be able to access this address.  It really shouldn't be used for this 
either.  For more info see RFC 3330 at 
http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3330.html

You're going to have to get the real IP address of this particular machine, 
as seen from the Internet, before this is going to work.

Geoff.



From hello at ianbell.com  Fri Mar 18 00:45:46 2005
From: hello at ianbell.com (Ian Andrew Bell)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 16:45:46 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503181034520.29526@data.home>
References: <77a44d4c0503170912535fc90@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503181034520.29526@data.home>
Message-ID: <423A24BA.4010209@ianbell.com>

That IP looks self-assigned ... he is probably not even on a network 
with that machine.

-Ian.

Geoff Shang wrote:

> Denis Paschoalinoto wrote:
>
>> http://169.254.31.193:8000/live.m3u
>
>
> 169.254 addresses are not routed on the net - no-one outside your 
> subnet will be able to access this address.  It really shouldn't be 
> used for this either.  For more info see RFC 3330 at 
> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3330.html
>
> You're going to have to get the real IP address of this particular 
> machine, as seen from the Internet, before this is going to work.





From Jason at Weatherserver.net  Fri Mar 18 00:47:12 2005
From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 19:47:12 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio
References: <77a44d4c0503170912535fc90@mail.gmail.com><Pine.LNX.4.62.0503181034520.29526@data.home>
	<423A24BA.4010209@ianbell.com>
Message-ID: <000e01c52b54$06592580$1400000a@workstation>

Now I feel stupid. I didn't even notice the IP.  DOH!

Well I could be right in the end with the router/firewall stuff :-p
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Ian Andrew Bell" <hello at ianbell.com>
To: "Geoff Shang" <geoff at hitsandpieces.net>
Cc: <>; "Denis Paschoalinoto" <denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, March 17, 2005 7:45 PM
Subject: Re: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio


> That IP looks self-assigned ... he is probably not even on a network 
> with that machine.
> 
> -Ian.
> 
> Geoff Shang wrote:
> 
>> Denis Paschoalinoto wrote:
>>
>>> http://169.254.31.193:8000/live.m3u
>>
>>
>> 169.254 addresses are not routed on the net - no-one outside your 
>> subnet will be able to access this address.  It really shouldn't be 
>> used for this either.  For more info see RFC 3330 at 
>> http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc3330.html
>>
>> You're going to have to get the real IP address of this particular 
>> machine, as seen from the Internet, before this is going to work.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>



From carl.madison at coloradovnet.com  Fri Mar 18 01:52:11 2005
From: carl.madison at coloradovnet.com (Carl Madison)
Date: Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:52:11 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] icecast on an Intel XScale ARM processor
Message-ID: <36EF4D60AF772F4FA29CD5A1252A00F701CEAA@oxygen.coloradovnet.com>

Hi,

I am trying to get icecast running on a ARM processor. I have managed to cross compile all of the required libraries (libxml2, libxslt, libogg, libvorbis, etc.). However I am bumping up against a problem that I can't find any info on. Here is the generated output from the icecast build.  I was wondering if any of you has seen this and knows of a fix. I apologize if the problem is obvious and I am blind.


[carlm at localhost src]$ arm-linux-gcc -pthread -g -O2 -o icecast cfgfile.o main.o logging.o sighandler.o connection.o global.o util.o slave.o source.o stats.o refbuf.o client.o format.o format_ogg.o format_mp3.o xslt.o fserve.o event.o admin.o auth.o md5.o format_vorbis.o -L/video/buildoutput/lib net/.libs/libicenet.a thread/.libs/libicethread.a httpp/.libs/libicehttpp.a log/.libs/libicelog.a avl/.libs/libiceavl.a timing/.libs/libicetiming.a /video/buildoutput/lib/libvorbis.so /video/buildoutput/lib/libogg.so -L/usr/lib /video/buildoutput/lib/libxslt.so -L/video/buildoutput/library /video/buildoutput/lib/libxml2.so -ldl -lz -lpthread -lm -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/video/buildoutput/lib -Wl,--rpath -Wl,/video/buildoutput/lib
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2(*IND*+0x0): multiple definition of `__xstat64'
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2(.text+0x11250): first defined here
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2(*IND*+0x0): multiple definition of `__fxstat64'
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib/ld-linux.so.2(.text+0x1142c): first defined here
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Error: _ashldi3.o uses hard floating point, whereas icecast uses soft floating point
File format not recognized: failed to merge target specific data of file /opt/Embedix/tools/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2/libgcc.a(_ashldi3.o)
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Error: _lshrdi3.o uses hard floating point, whereas icecast uses soft floating point
File format not recognized: failed to merge target specific data of file /opt/Embedix/tools/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2/libgcc.a(_lshrdi3.o)
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Error: _udivdi3.o uses hard floating point, whereas icecast uses soft floating point
File format not recognized: failed to merge target specific data of file /opt/Embedix/tools/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2/libgcc.a(_udivdi3.o)
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Error: _umoddi3.o uses hard floating point, whereas icecast uses soft floating point
File format not recognized: failed to merge target specific data of file /opt/Embedix/tools/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2/libgcc.a(_umoddi3.o)
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Error: /opt/Embedix/tools/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2/crtend.o uses hard floating point, whereas icecast uses soft floating point
File format not recognized: failed to merge target specific data of file /opt/Embedix/tools/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2/crtend.o
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Error: /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib/crtn.o uses hard floating point, whereas icecast uses soft floating point
File format not recognized: failed to merge target specific data of file /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/lib/crtn.o
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/video/buildoutput/lib/libc.a(vfprintf.o)::1689: undefined reference to `__truncdfsf2'
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/video/buildoutput/lib/libc.a(printf_fp.o)::390: undefined reference to `__ltdf2'
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/video/buildoutput/lib/libc.a(vfscanf.o)::1877: undefined reference to `__negdf2'
/video/buildoutput/lib/libc.a(vfscanf.o)::1883: undefined reference to `__negsf2'
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Could not find abbrev number 1032.
/video/buildoutput/lib/libc.a(mktime.o): In function `__mktime_internal':
mktime.o(.text+0x524): undefined reference to `__floatsidf'
mktime.o(.text+0x534): undefined reference to `__floatsidf'
mktime.o(.text+0x548): undefined reference to `__adddf3'
mktime.o(.text+0x558): undefined reference to `__floatsidf'
mktime.o(.text+0x56c): undefined reference to `__subdf3'
mktime.o(.text+0x578): undefined reference to `__muldf3'
mktime.o(.text+0x588): undefined reference to `__floatsidf'
mktime.o(.text+0x59c): undefined reference to `__adddf3'
mktime.o(.text+0x5a8): undefined reference to `__muldf3'
mktime.o(.text+0x5b8): undefined reference to `__floatsidf'
mktime.o(.text+0x5d4): undefined reference to `__adddf3'
mktime.o(.text+0x5e0): undefined reference to `__muldf3'
mktime.o(.text+0x5f0): undefined reference to `__floatsidf'
mktime.o(.text+0x604): undefined reference to `__adddf3'
mktime.o(.text+0x610): undefined reference to `__muldf3'
mktime.o(.text+0x620): undefined reference to `__floatsidf'
mktime.o(.text+0x634): undefined reference to `__adddf3'
mktime.o(.text+0x648): undefined reference to `__ltdf2'
mktime.o(.text+0x664): undefined reference to `__gtdf2'
mktime.o(.text+0x6a8): undefined reference to `__ltdf2'
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Invalid or unhandled FORM value: 14.
/opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Dwarf Error: Could not find abbrev number 77.
/video/buildoutput/lib/libc.a(vfwprintf.o): In function `vfwprintf':
vfwprintf.o(.text+0x15e8): undefined reference to `__truncdfsf2'
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status

Thanks,
Carl Madison
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From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Fri Mar 18 02:29:15 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 13:29:15 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] icecast on an Intel XScale ARM processor
In-Reply-To: <36EF4D60AF772F4FA29CD5A1252A00F701CEAA@oxygen.coloradovnet.com>
References: <36EF4D60AF772F4FA29CD5A1252A00F701CEAA@oxygen.coloradovnet.com>
Message-ID: <3c173721050317182915c3bdf0@mail.gmail.com>

n Thu, 17 Mar 2005 18:52:11 -0700, Carl Madison
<carl.madison at coloradovnet.com> wrote:
>  
> 
> Hi,
>  
>  I am trying to get icecast running on a ARM processor. I have managed to
> cross compile all of the required libraries (libxml2, libxslt, libogg,
> libvorbis, etc.). However I am bumping up against a problem that I can't
> find any info on. Here is the generated output from the icecast build.  I
> was wondering if any of you has seen this and knows of a fix. I apologize if
> the problem is obvious and I am blind.

>  /opt/Embedix/tools/arm-linux/bin/ld: Error: _ashldi3.o uses hard floating
> point, whereas icecast uses soft floating point

Your problems probably stem from this. You're using a libgcc built for
hard-fp (I don't imagine your processor supports that, so this is
wrong to begin with), but (correctly) compiling icecast for soft-fp.



>  File format not recognized: failed to merge target specific data of file
> /opt/Embedix/tools/lib/gcc-lib/arm-linux/2.95.2/libgcc.a(_ashldi3.o)

You're using a positively _antique_ version of gcc, so the first step
is to upgrade to something from this century :-)

You may well need upgraded binutils too. 

I'm not sure why the dwarf errors are happening. Most likely, they'll
go away with up-to-date gcc and binutils.

Mike


From saire42 at yahoo.es  Fri Mar 18 18:45:58 2005
From: saire42 at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Saul=20Qui=F1ones?=)
Date: Fri, 18 Mar 2005 19:45:58 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast behind a Router
Message-ID: <20050318184559.40212.qmail@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

Hi All! Im doing some test of icecast and it works
greatly. its a dream!! But i need help with some
stuff.. I have a LAN on my computer to connect the web
and i have made a virtual server on the router to
direct incoming calls to icecast. On icecast
configuration I ve made icecast to listnen to the LAN
IP adress of my router virtual server . That is ok for
static files, but when i try to connect to icecast
with the source (using my lan ip) i cannot reach
icecast. Anyone knows the key?? Thanks For everything. Byezz


	
	
		
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From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Sat Mar 19 06:30:02 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 16:30:02 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Icecast] Icecast behind a Router
In-Reply-To: <20050318184559.40212.qmail@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20050318184559.40212.qmail@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503191616370.29526@data.home>

Hi,

Here's why binding to various interfaces can trap you.   It's really only 
necessary to do this if you want icecast *not* to listen to a particular 
interface.

For example: I route using my primary Linux box, which has two network 
cards in it.  So this box has the following addresses:

Internet address: 60.226.28.201
LAN address: 10.2.0.1
Local loopback: 127.0.0.1

Now, if I bind Icecast to listen to my Internet address, then if I try to 
connnect to it directly over the LAN or from the local host using 
127.0.0.1, it's not going to work as Icecast is only listening on one 
interface.  So unless you specifically want to prevent connnections for a 
given interface, you may as well leave the bind stuff alone.

Now, you could of course bind it to your LAN address to prevent people on 
the net from tuning in, and you could in theory have one server on your LAN 
and another on your Internet interface (you can even set up separate ports 
on the same server this way).  But these cases are probably the exception 
rather than the rule.

Geoff.


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From stauf at freshcheese.net  Sat Mar 19 08:24:59 2005
From: stauf at freshcheese.net (Stauf)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:24:59 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] [Fwd: IceCast up to v2.20 multiple vulnerabilities]
Message-ID: <423BE1DB.6040105@freshcheese.net>

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Hash: SHA1

Hey all,
did you happen to see this recent post to bugtraq?  If so, I apologize.
 I haven't been keeping up with the archives since everything has been
running so smoothly. ;)
- --Stauf

- -------- Original Message --------
Subject: IceCast up to v2.20 multiple vulnerabilities
Date: 18 Mar 2005 22:31:14 -0000
From: Patrick <patrickthomassen at gmail.com>
To: bugtraq at securityfocus.com



These are tested on IceCast v2.20. This software can be freely obtained
from http://www.icecast.org.

"Icecast is a streaming media server which currently supports Ogg
Vorbis and MP3 audio streams. It can be used to create an Internet
radio station or a privately running jukebox and many things in
between. It is very versatile in that new formats can be added
relatively easily and supports open standards for commuincation and
interaction."

1) The XSL parser has some unchecked buffers (local), but they dont seem
to be exploitable. If they are, they can be used for priviledge
escalation, under the user that the server runs.

<xsl:when test="<lots of chars>"></xsl:when>
<xsl:if test="<lots of chars>"></xsl:if>
<xsl:value-of select="<lots of chars>" />

2) Cause XSL parser error "Could not parse XSLT file". (Not very useful).

GET /status.xsl> HTTP/1.0
GET /status.xsl< HTTP/1.0
GET /<status.xsl HTTP/1.0

3) XSL parser bypass. (Useful to steal customized XSL files, lol).

GET /auth.xsl. HTTP/1.0
GET /status.xsl. HTTP/1.0

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From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Sat Mar 19 09:10:22 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 20:10:22 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] [Fwd: IceCast up to v2.20 multiple vulnerabilities]
In-Reply-To: <423BE1DB.6040105@freshcheese.net>
References: <423BE1DB.6040105@freshcheese.net>
Message-ID: <3c173721050319011013b3a386@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 01:24:59 -0700, Stauf <stauf at freshcheese.net> wrote:
> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-----
> Hash: SHA1
> 
> Hey all,
> did you happen to see this recent post to bugtraq?  If so, I apologize.
>  I haven't been keeping up with the archives since everything has been
> running so smoothly. ;)
> - --Stauf

Nope, hadn't seen these. I guess this person didn't think contacting
the icecast developers in any way was a good idea. Which isn't very
helpful. Thanks for forwarding.

> 
> 1) The XSL parser has some unchecked buffers (local), but they dont seem
> to be exploitable. If they are, they can be used for priviledge
> escalation, under the user that the server runs.
> 
> <xsl:when test="<lots of chars>"></xsl:when>
> <xsl:if test="<lots of chars>"></xsl:if>
> <xsl:value-of select="<lots of chars>" />

Not sure what this is about, really. If whatever it is is exploitable,
it sounds like it requires a custom xsl file. Since the xsl files are
in the filesystem, and presumably only editable by the icecast user
anyway, I don't see that you could do anything with it.


> 
> 2) Cause XSL parser error "Could not parse XSLT file". (Not very useful).
> 
> GET /status.xsl> HTTP/1.0
> GET /status.xsl< HTTP/1.0
> GET /<status.xsl HTTP/1.0

The third of these is definately not a bug. The first two shouldn't be
being picked up as being xsl requests to begin with (because the url
doesn't end with ".xsl", so there's probably a bug somewhere. Possibly
the same bug as the next item...


> 
> 3) XSL parser bypass. (Useful to steal customized XSL files, lol).
> 
> GET /auth.xsl. HTTP/1.0
> GET /status.xsl. HTTP/1.0

Unlikely to disclose any sensitive information in practice, but
clearly a (minor) security bug that needs fixing. This _should_ just
be falling through to generic fileserving, and failing to find a file
called "auth.xsl.", and so giving a 404.

Mike


From saire42 at yahoo.es  Sat Mar 19 20:12:43 2005
From: saire42 at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Saul=20Qui=F1ones?=)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:12:43 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Icecast] bind adress
Message-ID: <20050319201243.38888.qmail@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>

the problem for me (that i have a the win32 version)
is that when i make use of bind adress on Misc Server
Settings i get when i start the server:

error: fatal, error parsing config file icecast.xml
but nothing related to that on logs

anyone knows what im doing wrong??
Thanks


		
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From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Sun Mar 20 00:10:53 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 11:10:53 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] bind adress
In-Reply-To: <20050319201243.38888.qmail@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20050319201243.38888.qmail@web26202.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3c17372105031916107c4cc4a@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:12:43 +0100 (CET), Saul Qui?ones
<saire42 at yahoo.es> wrote:
> the problem for me (that i have a the win32 version)
> is that when i make use of bind adress on Misc Server
> Settings i get when i start the server:
> 
> error: fatal, error parsing config file icecast.xml
> but nothing related to that on logs
> 
> anyone knows what im doing wrong??
> Thanks

This usually means that you've made the file invalid XML. Since the
log locations are defined in the config file, if the config file can't
be read, there's no way to log anything to the log file.

Assuming you really want to use bind-address (most people don't), then
show us the appropriate part of the config file, and we'll tell you
what you did wrong.

Mike


From jonas at evo-music.net  Sun Mar 20 05:41:01 2005
From: jonas at evo-music.net (Jonas Hartley)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:41:01 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] seeking Icecast ninja
Message-ID: <50588c3e3e7e493be30eb6ee06dbf12b@evo-music.net>

I'm in charge of developing a huge music project. Streaming audio 
content broadcasting multiple channels, live events, dynamically 
generated playlists, and more will be a feature of the site. I've 
installed Icecast and spent a lot of time trying to get it functional 
without much success. I have a massive amount of stuff to coordinate so 
I'm looking for help to get this thing built. Someone not afraid of 
Flash, with PHP and MySQL skills. I have a very small team that's more 
interested in badass development than getting rich, but it is a paying 
gig. 



From lpmusix at gmail.com  Sun Mar 20 05:51:08 2005
From: lpmusix at gmail.com (Daniel Ballenger)
Date: Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:51:08 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] seeking Icecast ninja
In-Reply-To: <50588c3e3e7e493be30eb6ee06dbf12b@evo-music.net>
References: <50588c3e3e7e493be30eb6ee06dbf12b@evo-music.net>
Message-ID: <56755a705031921517a1751b6@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,
I'm on the development team for radio404 (http://r404.sf.net).  Pretty
much it's just a way for your users to beable to generate the playlist
for the stream based on their requests.  Maybe this would fulfill your
dynamically generated playlists requirement?  Let me know if you want
to use it and need any new features or what not :).
-Daniel


On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:41:01 -0800, Jonas Hartley <jonas at evo-music.net> wrote:
> I'm in charge of developing a huge music project. Streaming audio
> content broadcasting multiple channels, live events, dynamically
> generated playlists, and more will be a feature of the site. I've
> installed Icecast and spent a lot of time trying to get it functional
> without much success. I have a massive amount of stuff to coordinate so
> I'm looking for help to get this thing built. Someone not afraid of
> Flash, with PHP and MySQL skills. I have a very small team that's more
> interested in badass development than getting rich, but it is a paying
> gig.
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>


From flashl at cox.net  Sun Mar 20 20:06:09 2005
From: flashl at cox.net (Flash Love)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 14:06:09 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] Desire to create Internet radio talk show
Message-ID: <200503201406.09789.flashl@cox.net>

Hello,

My goal is to give software and technical assistance to build an Internet 
radio web site. The individual that I am helping wants the ability to:

1) Weekly join another radio station with Internet access for a 1 hour show 
which will broadcast over FM station.
2) Simultaneously stream the same session to other stations with Internet 
access.
3) Have ability to add phone conversations into the stream.
4) Record the session and allow playback on demand from users.    

I have successfully downloaded, compiled, and run icecast, ices, and darkice. 
For the past few weeks, I have read extensively from the Internet, many 
discussions, forums, and mail list archives to learn as much as I can about 
icecast, ices, and darkice. I am committed to learning and understanding this 
area of linux (multimedia) that I have never explored.

My research have also taken me to several external proprietary hardware 
solutions that run into the thousands of dollars. Since the internet radio, 
is absolutely new to the both of us, we simply want to be sure that all of 
these products and desired functions will integrate. 

Any pointers into the right directions will greatly be appreciated.

Thank you,
Flash
 


From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Mon Mar 21 01:24:05 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 12:24:05 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] [Fwd: IceCast up to v2.20 multiple vulnerabilities]
In-Reply-To: <423BE1DB.6040105@freshcheese.net>
References: <423BE1DB.6040105@freshcheese.net>
Message-ID: <3c1737210503201724b41179a@mail.gmail.com>

> 1) The XSL parser has some unchecked buffers (local), but they dont seem
> to be exploitable. If they are, they can be used for priviledge
> escalation, under the user that the server runs.
> 
> <xsl:when test="<lots of chars>"></xsl:when>
> <xsl:if test="<lots of chars>"></xsl:if>
> <xsl:value-of select="<lots of chars>" />
> 
> 2) Cause XSL parser error "Could not parse XSLT file". (Not very useful).
> 
> GET /status.xsl> HTTP/1.0
> GET /status.xsl< HTTP/1.0
> GET /<status.xsl HTTP/1.0
> 
> 3) XSL parser bypass. (Useful to steal customized XSL files, lol).
> 
> GET /auth.xsl. HTTP/1.0
> GET /status.xsl. HTTP/1.0


For what it's worth, 2) and 3) aren't reproducible with the current
version (from svn). To my knowledge, there have been no relevant
changes here since 2.2, I'd be very surprised if they were
reproducible with 2.2 (or earlier?), but I don't really have the time
to test. I still don't know what 1) is about, so I'm not sure if that
matters.

Mike


From denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com  Mon Mar 21 00:58:24 2005
From: denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com (Denis Paschoalinoto)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:58:24 -0300
Subject: [Icecast] =?iso-8859-1?q?Windows_XP=B4s_firewall?=
Message-ID: <77a44d4c050320165868da551f@mail.gmail.com>

Hi there,

When using Windows XP?s firewall, is there a safe way to open the
machine to Icecast listeners but not to turn off the firewall?

Thanks a bunch,

Denis.


From lpmusix at gmail.com  Mon Mar 21 01:38:26 2005
From: lpmusix at gmail.com (Daniel Ballenger)
Date: Sun, 20 Mar 2005 17:38:26 -0800
Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Re:_[Icecast]_Windows_XP=B4s_firewall?=
In-Reply-To: <77a44d4c050320165868da551f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77a44d4c050320165868da551f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <56755a7050320173857d06d9e@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, 20 Mar 2005 21:58:24 -0300, Denis Paschoalinoto
<denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> When using Windows XP?s firewall, is there a safe way to open the
> machine to Icecast listeners but not to turn off the firewall?
Not that it's ever safe to have a windows machine on the internet :). 
But I think you can go into the firewall configuration and add custom
ports, then you can go in and open up those ports you made.  Been so
long since I've run a windows machine and had to deal with that, but
that should do the trick.
> Thanks a bunch,
> 
> Denis.
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> Icecast at xiph.org
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>


From saire42 at yahoo.es  Mon Mar 21 02:50:45 2005
From: saire42 at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Saul=20Qui=F1ones?=)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 03:50:45 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [Icecast] bind adress
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050321025045.53913.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>


--- Michael Smith <mlrsmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sat, 19 Mar 2005 21:12:43 +0100 (CET), Saul
> Qui?ones
> <saire42 at yahoo.es> wrote:
> > the problem for me (that i have a the win32
> version)
> > is that when i make use of bind adress on Misc
> Server
> > Settings i get when i start the server:
> > 
> > error: fatal, error parsing config file
> icecast.xml
> > but nothing related to that on logs
> > 
> > anyone knows what im doing wrong??
> > Thanks
> 
> This usually means that you've made the file invalid
> XML. Since the
> log locations are defined in the config file, if the
> config file can't
> be read, there's no way to log anything to the log
> file.
> 
> Assuming you really want to use bind-address (most
> people don't), then
> show us the appropriate part of the config file, and
> we'll tell you
> what you did wrong.

I really did not to much:

 <!-- This is the hostname other people will use to
connect to your server.
    It affects mainly the urls generated by Icecast
for playlists and yp
    listings. -->
    <hostname>192.168.1.21</hostname>

    <!-- You can use these two if you only want a
single listener -->
    <!--<port>8000</port> -->
    <!--<bind-address>127.0.0.1</bind-address>-->

    <!-- You may have multiple <listener> elements -->
    <listen-socket>
        <port>8000</port>
        <-- <bind-address>127.0.0.1</bind-address> -->
   
(i ve only put out the ! from the line) and i get the
error, otherwise everything works cool. anyway i dont
need to bind, as you say.  


> Mike
> 


		
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From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Mon Mar 21 05:40:21 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 16:40:21 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] bind adress
In-Reply-To: <20050321025045.53913.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
References: <20050321025045.53913.qmail@web26206.mail.ukl.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3c173721050320214018fcf687@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 03:50:45 +0100 (CET), Saul Qui?ones
<saire42 at yahoo.es> wrote:
> I really did not to much:

>         <-- <bind-address>127.0.0.1</bind-address> -->
> 
> (i ve only put out the ! from the line) and i get the
> error, otherwise everything works cool. anyway i dont
> need to bind, as you say.

Well, there's your problem. Removing the ! makes it no-longer
well-formed XML, so icecast can't parse it.

XML comments start with <!-- and end with --> (ignoring some quibbling
over precise semantics of where comments may end, which is rather
complex). If you want to un-comment it, you should remove the <!-- AND
the -->, not just a single character.

Mike


From stauf at freshcheese.net  Mon Mar 21 08:27:34 2005
From: stauf at freshcheese.net (Stauf)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 01:27:34 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] [Fwd: IceCast up to v2.20 multiple vulnerabilities]
In-Reply-To: <3c1737210503201724b41179a@mail.gmail.com>
References: <423BE1DB.6040105@freshcheese.net>
	<3c1737210503201724b41179a@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <423E8576.4090406@freshcheese.net>

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Michael Smith wrote:
>>1) The XSL parser has some unchecked buffers (local), but they dont seem
>>to be exploitable. If they are, they can be used for priviledge
>>escalation, under the user that the server runs.
>>
>><xsl:when test="<lots of chars>"></xsl:when>
>><xsl:if test="<lots of chars>"></xsl:if>
>><xsl:value-of select="<lots of chars>" />
>>
>>2) Cause XSL parser error "Could not parse XSLT file". (Not very useful).
>>
>>GET /status.xsl> HTTP/1.0
>>GET /status.xsl< HTTP/1.0
>>GET /<status.xsl HTTP/1.0
>>
>>3) XSL parser bypass. (Useful to steal customized XSL files, lol).
>>
>>GET /auth.xsl. HTTP/1.0
>>GET /status.xsl. HTTP/1.0
> 
> 
> 
> For what it's worth, 2) and 3) aren't reproducible with the current
> version (from svn). To my knowledge, there have been no relevant
> changes here since 2.2, I'd be very surprised if they were
> reproducible with 2.2 (or earlier?), but I don't really have the time
> to test. I still don't know what 1) is about, so I'm not sure if that
> matters.
> 
> Mike

Well, to be perfectly blunt, when I read this "security" post on
bugtraq, I didn't know if I should laugh or cry.  I had an inkling no
one has been contacted on the list, and frankly it looks like someone is
trying to get their name on bugtraq with another uselessly vague "OMG
LOL zer0 day1@#$" worded mail.

If the poster had even included some poc code, or some suggestions about
why he precieved things to be exploits I would take it seriously. Here,
since I see nothing of the sort, I'm shrugging this one off.

Thanks for the great job guys, keep it up.
- --


| " Yesterday upon the stair I met a man who wasn't there.
|   He wasn't there again today. I wish that man would go away."
|                   <[Hughes Mearns]>
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From skyr at inbox.ru  Mon Mar 21 12:43:47 2005
From: skyr at inbox.ru (=?Windows-1251?B?wuDx6Ovo6SDA6/Lz7ejt?=)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:43:47 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] Listeners count
Message-ID: <9914937048.20050321234347@newmail.ru>

How get listeners count of stream
I make php-script for Ices that sho Name, Album, e.t.c. and now i need
some how add info about how many listeners of this stream i have!



From skyr at newmail.ru  Mon Mar 21 12:46:34 2005
From: skyr at newmail.ru (=?Windows-1251?B?wOvy8+3o7SDC4PHo6+jpIMLr4OTo7Ojw7uLo9w==?=)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 23:46:34 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] Listeners count
Message-ID: <15615104589.20050321234634@newmail.ru>

How get listeners count of stream
I make php-script for Ices that sho Name, Album, e.t.c. and now i need
some how add info about how many listeners of this stream i have!



From jaime at experienceproductions.com  Mon Mar 21 13:20:44 2005
From: jaime at experienceproductions.com (Jaime Magiera)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:20:44 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] an OS X installer
In-Reply-To: <3c1737210503150429349869cc@mail.gmail.com>
References: <d4eda171aae1b3eb11e4abb93661c0f7@experienceproductions.com>
	<286e6b7c05031414286883a828@mail.gmail.com>
	<62ef1014e18bb7355a359090a4f2d71b@experienceproductions.com>
	<286e6b7c05031502427f8ec46@mail.gmail.com>
	<3c1737210503150429349869cc@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <65d072db233e06db1c040b9b188adb0d@experienceproductions.com>

Ok, Netstock is over. If anyone wants to chime in on the OS X 
installer, go ahead. I'm going to starting working on it this week.

Jaime



From xiyu.shi at buckingham.ac.uk  Mon Mar 21 19:25:25 2005
From: xiyu.shi at buckingham.ac.uk (Xiyu Shi)
Date: Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:25:25 -0000
Subject: [Icecast] (no subject)
Message-ID: <0EAE842EEAA4D711A05C00B0D0FED1D5041E505D@GILA>

Dear All,

I am new to ICECAST2 and ICES2. I am trying to make the icecast2 and ices2
working in our LAB's IPv6 testbed without any success. Could someone please
give me a guide of how to make them working on IPv6? Thank you in 
advance.

Best regards,

Xiyu Shi


From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Tue Mar 22 00:03:51 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 11:03:51 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] Re: [Icecast-dev] (no subject)
In-Reply-To: <0EAE842EEAA4D711A05C00B0D0FED1D5041E505D@GILA>
References: <0EAE842EEAA4D711A05C00B0D0FED1D5041E505D@GILA>
Message-ID: <3c17372105032116037458b853@mail.gmail.com>

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:25:25 -0000, Xiyu Shi <xiyu.shi at buckingham.ac.uk> wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> I am new to ICECAST2 and ICES2. I am trying to make the icecast2 and ices2
> working in our LAB's IPv6 testbed without any success. Could someone please
> give me a guide of how to make them working on IPv6? Thank you in
> advance.

I believe (I haven't tried it myself, but I know lots of people are
successfully running icecast on ipv6) you just have to tell icecast to
bind to an IPv6 address.

You can do this with the appropriate thing in <bind-address> (I think
you need "::" to just listen on all v6 interfaces?).

You should be able to use an ipv6 address in ices2 to connect to
icecast2, but I'm less sure if people are doing this, and again, I
haven't tested it myself.

Mike


From danstowell at gmail.com  Tue Mar 22 09:47:21 2005
From: danstowell at gmail.com (Dan Stowell)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 09:47:21 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] an OS X installer
In-Reply-To: <65d072db233e06db1c040b9b188adb0d@experienceproductions.com>
References: <d4eda171aae1b3eb11e4abb93661c0f7@experienceproductions.com>
	<286e6b7c05031414286883a828@mail.gmail.com>
	<62ef1014e18bb7355a359090a4f2d71b@experienceproductions.com>
	<286e6b7c05031502427f8ec46@mail.gmail.com>
	<3c1737210503150429349869cc@mail.gmail.com>
	<65d072db233e06db1c040b9b188adb0d@experienceproductions.com>
Message-ID: <286e6b7c050322014776ae4c53@mail.gmail.com>

I'll be very happy to do testing etc -

Dan

On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 08:20:44 -0500, Jaime Magiera
<jaime at experienceproductions.com> wrote:
> Ok, Netstock is over. If anyone wants to chime in on the OS X
> installer, go ahead. I'm going to starting working on it this week.
> 
> Jaime

-- 
http://www.mcld.co.uk


From xiyu.shi at buckingham.ac.uk  Tue Mar 22 13:01:43 2005
From: xiyu.shi at buckingham.ac.uk (Xiyu Shi)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:01:43 -0000
Subject: [Icecast] RE: [Icecast-dev] (no subject)
Message-ID: <0EAE842EEAA4D711A05C00B0D0FED1D5041E505E@GILA>

Mike,

Thank you very much. I did just like you said and it works fine. I did not
use an ipv6 address in the ices2.

Regards,

Xiyu

-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Smith [mailto:mlrsmith at gmail.com]
Sent: 22 March 2005 00:04
To: Xiyu Shi
Cc: icecast at xiph.org; icecast-dev at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [Icecast-dev] (no subject)


On Mon, 21 Mar 2005 19:25:25 -0000, Xiyu Shi <xiyu.shi at buckingham.ac.uk>
wrote:
> Dear All,
> 
> I am new to ICECAST2 and ICES2. I am trying to make the icecast2 and ices2
> working in our LAB's IPv6 testbed without any success. Could someone
please
> give me a guide of how to make them working on IPv6? Thank you in
> advance.

I believe (I haven't tried it myself, but I know lots of people are
successfully running icecast on ipv6) you just have to tell icecast to
bind to an IPv6 address.

You can do this with the appropriate thing in <bind-address> (I think
you need "::" to just listen on all v6 interfaces?).

You should be able to use an ipv6 address in ices2 to connect to
icecast2, but I'm less sure if people are doing this, and again, I
haven't tested it myself.

Mike


From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Tue Mar 22 16:12:58 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:12:58 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Icecast] status.xsl (fwd)
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503230211420.13693@data.home>

Hi,

Sorry, made a typo when trying to approve this.  Apologies to the sender.

Geoff.



---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 15:20:06 +0000
From: Ben Edwards - Trinity <ben at 3ca.org.uk>
To: icecast list <icecast at xiph.org>
Subject: status.xsl

I have seen some reference to changing status.xsl to only include active
mount points.  I'me not an xsl hacker.  How would one change the default
config file to do this?

Ben



From lists at videonetwork.org  Tue Mar 22 16:14:20 2005
From: lists at videonetwork.org (Ben Edwards (lists))
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:14:20 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] status.xsl
Message-ID: <1111508060.8374.11.camel@localhost.localdomain>

I have seen some reference to changing status.xsl to only include active
mount points.  I'me not an xsl hacker.  How would one change the default
config file to do this?

Ben
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From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Tue Mar 22 16:19:16 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:19:16 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Icecast] status.xsl (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503230211420.13693@data.home>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503230211420.13693@data.home>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503230214140.13693@data.home>

Hi,

In response, the <hidden> mount attribute can be used to keep streams out 
of your status.xsl file.  If you've got a mount section for the stream(s) 
you want to hide, include the following:

<hidden>1</hidden>

If you don't have a specific mount section for the particular stream(s), 
you'll have to make one, but that should be pretty trivial.

Hope this helps.

Disclaimer: It's after 2 in the morning.  I'm about 70% asleep.  I am too 
tired to be bothered verifying the above, but I do believe it to be 
correct.

<snore>
Geoff.


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MSN: geoff at acbradio.org

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From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Tue Mar 22 16:20:21 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 02:20:21 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [Icecast] status.xsl (fwd)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503230211420.13693@data.home>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503230211420.13693@data.home>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503230219460.13693@data.home>

Hi,

argh.  Told you I was 70% asleep.  Disregard the previous, it's not what he 
asked.

Geoff.


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From denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com  Tue Mar 22 16:35:59 2005
From: denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com (Denis Paschoalinoto)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:35:59 -0300
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio (yet)
Message-ID: <77a44d4c050322083570730190@mail.gmail.com>

Hi, 

First of all, thank you Jason, Geoff and Ian.

There?s an Icecast 2.2.0 server in my Windows XP, with Oddcast working
with Winamp 2.95.

I?m able to open something like http://201.1.33.#:8000/live.m3u (my
radio?s address; IP?s dynamic) in my own machine. However, this URL
cannot be open by another machines. Message in those browsers is "URL
not found".

This happens even while server is "running", Winamp is playing and
Oddcast is "connected". I have even tried to turn off the firewall,
but it did?n work.

Please, anyone knows what more can be checked?

Thank you very much,

Denis.


From crackitymonkey at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 22 21:03:35 2005
From: crackitymonkey at hotmail.com (Crackity Jones)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 16:03:35 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Modifying xsl in admin dir
Message-ID: <BAY102-F228C514F346174632F7148C84E0@phx.gbl>

I thought I was trying to do something simple.  Just output the following 
info:
mount - number of listeners - <list of all ips connected>

I had this working before but forgot to backup the xsl changes before 
redoing the server :(.  I know all I can do is modify files in the admin dir 
so I was trying to modify either of these 2 files:

using listclients.xsl I am able to get the mount and the list of ips but I 
cant get the number of listeners

using listmounts.xsl I can get the mount and the number of listeners, but 
not the ip list.

I read something about switching xsl to xml to see the data I have available 
but that isnt working for me and I am completely unfamiliar with xml coding.

anyone know how to get this to work?

Thanks
Todd




From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 01:03:26 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:03:26 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio (yet)
In-Reply-To: <77a44d4c050322083570730190@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77a44d4c050322083570730190@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3c17372105032217036b55a921@mail.gmail.com>

On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:35:59 -0300, Denis Paschoalinoto
<denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> First of all, thank you Jason, Geoff and Ian.
> 
> There?s an Icecast 2.2.0 server in my Windows XP, with Oddcast working
> with Winamp 2.95.
> 
> I?m able to open something like http://201.1.33.#:8000/live.m3u (my
> radio?s address; IP?s dynamic) in my own machine. However, this URL
> cannot be open by another machines. Message in those browsers is "URL
> not found".

This usually (but not always) means that you've misconfigured the
<hostname> element in your icecast config file.

It must be a valid hostname (or IP address) for your system that
clients can use to connect to.

Mike


From chuckt at tellechea.org  Wed Mar 23 01:20:39 2005
From: chuckt at tellechea.org (Chuck Tellechea)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 20:20:39 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Push relay from nicecast with icecast2?
Message-ID: <45de8cad72d68a8ec6fe2c70c8be9978@tellechea.org>

Greetings,

I have some confusion. I've seen it mentioned, somewhere in some docs, 
that Icecast2 does not (as yet) support Push relaying. Is this actually 
the case? Should I be looking at icecast1 (which does support push 
relay, I believe) until such capability is implemented on icecast2? Or 
should I be creating a combination of both? Or what?

Here's my situation:

I have a customer with the following requirements:

1. A Mac OS X based Nicecast "live radio" feed from his office/studio 
relaying to a Datacenter server running Linux accessible on a URL on 
his website. I.E. We need the capability of running multiple streams 
from a datacenter server with one IP address.

2. The datacenter server would also need to stream archived content, on 
separate streams (each accessible via a URL on his website), in addtion 
to the live stream.

The following conditions are in play.

1. My customer is NOT technically capable; he's a musician, an 
entrepreneur, and runs a non-profit which needs to stream audio. 
Therefore, setting up icecast2, on his G5 Powermac, such that Pull 
Relaying could be setup using "Single-Broadcast Relay" would require my 
doing so on my own G5 and subsequently installing my working 
implementation on his machine
2. Moreover, in order to set the <server>his server ip</server> field, 
within the <relay></relay> container in the icecast2 config file, this 
"Master Server" at my customer's studio would have to be provided with 
a static IP, or I'd have to acquire his current DHCP provided IP 
address (Cox Cable) and programatically adjust the XML config file 
running on the "Slave" server at the datacenter. Additionaly, he'd have 
to expose the G5 at his studio on a DMZ, or port forward the required 
ports. This is a plumbing and maintenance nightmare.....

What I'm thinking of doing now, is to running an instance of either 
icecast1 or shoutcast, on the datacenter server, to receive the 
'pushed' broadcast from the Nicecast running on the G5 at my customer's 
office/studio. Additionally running an instance of icecast2, on the 
same datacenter server (and on another port(s)) to stream the archived 
mp3 content.

Do I have this right? Or am I missing something?


--
Chuck Tellechea
     CMTi Technologies, Inc.
  
    



From denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 01:14:09 2005
From: denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com (Denis Paschoalinoto)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 22:14:09 -0300
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio (yet)
In-Reply-To: <3c17372105032217036b55a921@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77a44d4c050322083570730190@mail.gmail.com>
	<3c17372105032217036b55a921@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77a44d4c0503221714362fde8a@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 12:03:26 +1100, Michael Smith <mlrsmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 22 Mar 2005 13:35:59 -0300, Denis Paschoalinoto
> <denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > First of all, thank you Jason, Geoff and Ian.
> >
> > There?s an Icecast 2.2.0 server in my Windows XP, with Oddcast working
> > with Winamp 2.95.
> >
> > I?m able to open something like http://201.1.33.#:8000/live.m3u (my
> > radio?s address; IP?s dynamic) in my own machine. However, this URL
> > cannot be open by another machines. Message in those browsers is "URL
> > not found".
> 
> This usually (but not always) means that you've misconfigured the
> <hostname> element in your icecast config file.
> 
> It must be a valid hostname (or IP address) for your system that
> clients can use to connect to.
> 
> Mike

-x-

Thanks for the hint, Mike. Actually, element <hostname> was correct.
The problems still persists... :(

Yours

D?nis.


From telmnstr at 757.org  Wed Mar 23 02:00:22 2005
From: telmnstr at 757.org (Ethan)
Date: Tue, 22 Mar 2005 21:00:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Icecast] Modifying xsl in admin dir
In-Reply-To: <BAY102-F228C514F346174632F7148C84E0@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY102-F228C514F346174632F7148C84E0@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.BSF.4.58L0.0503222058300.15024@users.757.org>

> I thought I was trying to do something simple.  Just output the following
> info:
> mount - number of listeners - <list of all ips connected>

I too wanted to modify the XSL files to make them a bit easier to read,
but had horribly luck.

Perhaps some collaboration on changing the admin interface would be a good
idea? Not to put down the work someone else put into it already, but
in my particular case we have a large number of feeds with a moderate
number of listeners, so being able to see a quick chart with streams, # of
listeners, and actual hostname of each listener is desireable.




From denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 03:04:35 2005
From: denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com (Denis Paschoalinoto)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:04:35 -0300
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio (yet)
Message-ID: <77a44d4c050322190451ebe6a1@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Link http://201.1.83.111:8000/live.m3u is currently taking to my radio.

I did all things that must be done, and all things you already
suggested as well. However, it does not working for external people
yet... Would you please help me?

Thanks a lot,

Denis.


From denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 03:23:21 2005
From: denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com (Denis Paschoalinoto)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:23:21 -0300
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio (yet)
Message-ID: <77a44d4c05032219233c736b5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

Would you please help me?

My radio is not working for external people. Here you are my "icecast.xml" file:

-x-

<icecast>
    <limits>
        <sources>2</sources>
    </limits>
    <authentication>
        <source-password>xxxxxxxx</source-password> <!-- Sorry, I hide it... -->
        <relay-password>xxxxxxxx</relay-password> <!-- Sorry, I hide it... -->
        <admin-user>admin</admin-user>
        <admin-password>xxxxxxxx</admin-password> <!-- Sorry, I hide it... -->
    </authentication>
    <directory>
        <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout>
        <yp-url>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url>
    </directory>
    <hostname>201.1.83.111</hostname> 
    <listen-socket>
        <port>8000</port>
    </listen-socket>
    <fileserve>1</fileserve>
    <paths>
        <logdir>./logs</logdir>
        <webroot>./web</webroot>
        <adminroot>./admin</adminroot>
        <alias source="/" dest="/status.xsl"/>
    </paths>
    <logging>
        <accesslog>access.log</accesslog>
        <errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
      	<loglevel>3</loglevel> <!-- 4 Debug, 3 Info, 2 Warn, 1 Error -->
    </logging>
</icecast>

-x-

Oddcast "Encoder password" and <source password> are the same.

Thank you very much for your valuable help!

Denis.


From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 04:17:41 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:17:41 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio (yet)
In-Reply-To: <77a44d4c050322190451ebe6a1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77a44d4c050322190451ebe6a1@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3c173721050322201764472beb@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:04:35 -0300, Denis Paschoalinoto
<denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> Link http://201.1.83.111:8000/live.m3u is currently taking to my radio.

If I try to get this URL, it doesn't connect. This means that either
1) icecast is totally failing to respond to requests
or
2) icecast isn't getting the request

The second of these things is far, far more likely (given that you
aren't using bind-address, and are able to connect internally, I can
pretty much guarantee that the first isn't the case here), and looks
like some sort of firewall, and/or upstream filtering.

Mike


From denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 04:40:45 2005
From: denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com (Denis Paschoalinoto)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:40:45 -0300
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio (yet)
In-Reply-To: <3c173721050322201764472beb@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77a44d4c050322190451ebe6a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<3c173721050322201764472beb@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <77a44d4c050322204017a64761@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:17:41 +1100, Michael Smith <mlrsmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:04:35 -0300, Denis Paschoalinoto
> <denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Link http://201.1.83.111:8000/live.m3u is currently taking to my radio.
> 
> If I try to get this URL, it doesn't connect. This means that either
> 1) icecast is totally failing to respond to requests
> or
> 2) icecast isn't getting the request
> 
> The second of these things is far, far more likely (given that you
> aren't using bind-address, and are able to connect internally, I can
> pretty much guarantee that the first isn't the case here), and looks
> like some sort of firewall, and/or upstream filtering.
> 
> Mike

-x-

Hi,

Would you please try to connect now?

Thank you!

Denis.


From danstowell at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 11:54:53 2005
From: danstowell at gmail.com (Dan Stowell)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 11:54:53 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio (yet)
In-Reply-To: <77a44d4c050322204017a64761@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77a44d4c050322190451ebe6a1@mail.gmail.com>
	<3c173721050322201764472beb@mail.gmail.com>
	<77a44d4c050322204017a64761@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <286e6b7c0503230354731198cf@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 01:40:45 -0300, Denis Paschoalinoto
<denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 15:17:41 +1100, Michael Smith <mlrsmith at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 00:04:35 -0300, Denis Paschoalinoto
> > <denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Hello,
> > >
> > > Link http://201.1.83.111:8000/live.m3u is currently taking to my radio.
> >
> > If I try to get this URL, it doesn't connect. This means that either
> > 1) icecast is totally failing to respond to requests
> > or
> > 2) icecast isn't getting the request
> >
> > The second of these things is far, far more likely (given that you
> > aren't using bind-address, and are able to connect internally, I can
> > pretty much guarantee that the first isn't the case here), and looks
> > like some sort of firewall, and/or upstream filtering.
> >
> > Mike
> 
> -x-
> 
> Hi,
> 
> Would you please try to connect now?

Just tried it (11:55 GMT) and there's no connection for me...

Dan


From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Wed Mar 23 15:21:39 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:21:39 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio (yet)
In-Reply-To: <77a44d4c05032219233c736b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77a44d4c05032219233c736b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503240119150.13693@data.home>

Denis Paschoalinoto wrote:

>    <limits>
>        <sources>2</sources>
>    </limits>

I don't think this is your problem, but what happens here when there's no 
limit set for clients?  Is there a default value?  Or is there no limit?

As for the problem at hand, the config looks fine to me.  Are you behind a 
router of some sort and, if so, is port 8000 TCP forwarded to your machine?

Geoff.



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Wed Mar 23 15:26:59 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:26:59 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Push relay from nicecast with icecast2?
In-Reply-To: <45de8cad72d68a8ec6fe2c70c8be9978@tellechea.org>
References: <45de8cad72d68a8ec6fe2c70c8be9978@tellechea.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503240123320.13693@data.home>

Chuck Tellechea wrote:

> What I'm thinking of doing now, is to running an instance of either icecast1 
> or shoutcast, on the datacenter server, to receive the 'pushed' broadcast 
> from the Nicecast running on the G5 at my customer's office/studio. 
> Additionally running an instance of icecast2, on the same datacenter server 
> (and on another port(s)) to stream the archived mp3 content.

It is true that Icecast2 can't do push relaying, but I don't understand why 
you need it.  If Nicecast is going to be pushing the content to you, what's 
the problem?  Maybe *I'm* missing something.

Geoff.



From denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 16:12:57 2005
From: denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com (Denis Paschoalinoto)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:12:57 -0300
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio (yet)
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503240119150.13693@data.home>
References: <77a44d4c05032219233c736b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503240119150.13693@data.home>
Message-ID: <77a44d4c05032308124beb91fa@mail.gmail.com>

> Denis Paschoalinoto wrote:
> 
> >    <limits>
> >        <sources>2</sources>
> >    </limits>
> 
> I don't think this is your problem, but what happens here when there's no
> limit set for clients?  Is there a default value?  Or is there no limit?
> 
> As for the problem at hand, the config looks fine to me.  Are you behind a
> router of some sort and, if so, is port 8000 TCP forwarded to your machine?
> 
> Geoff.
>

There?s only once client, and the intention is to keep it that. Would
it be nice to decrease the <sources> parameter to "1", or even to
throw <limits> away?

There?s no router in here; it?s only a single machine with connection DSL.

Thank you,

Denis


From danstowell at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 16:28:24 2005
From: danstowell at gmail.com (Dan Stowell)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:28:24 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Push relay from nicecast with icecast2?
In-Reply-To: <286e6b7c050323082713c9f12d@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45de8cad72d68a8ec6fe2c70c8be9978@tellechea.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503240123320.13693@data.home>
	<286e6b7c050323082713c9f12d@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <286e6b7c05032308287235dda7@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:26:59 +1000, Geoff Shang <geoff at hitsandpieces.net> wrote:
> Chuck Tellechea wrote:
>
> > What I'm thinking of doing now, is to running an instance of either icecast1
> > or shoutcast, on the datacenter server, to receive the 'pushed' broadcast
> > from the Nicecast running on the G5 at my customer's office/studio.
> > Additionally running an instance of icecast2, on the same datacenter server
> > (and on another port(s)) to stream the archived mp3 content.
>
> It is true that Icecast2 can't do push relaying, but I don't understand why
> you need it.  If Nicecast is going to be pushing the content to you, what's
> the problem?  Maybe *I'm* missing something.

Nicecast uses Icecast to do its broadcasting, so it can't do anything
that Icecast can't do. So I don't really understand either.

Could you solve the DHCP problem by getting your customer set up with
dynDNS? Wouldn't that immediately solve the problem, meaning that
people could listen directly to the stream coming from his box?

Dan

-- 
http://www.mcld.co.uk


From karl at xiph.org  Wed Mar 23 16:35:27 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 23 Mar 2005 16:35:27 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio (yet)
In-Reply-To: <77a44d4c05032308124beb91fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77a44d4c05032219233c736b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503240119150.13693@data.home>
	<77a44d4c05032308124beb91fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1111595727.17124.31.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 16:12, Denis Paschoalinoto wrote:
> > Denis Paschoalinoto wrote:
> > 
> > >    <limits>
> > >        <sources>2</sources>
> > >    </limits>
> > 
> > I don't think this is your problem, but what happens here when there's no
> > limit set for clients?  Is there a default value?  Or is there no limit?

IIRC the default is 256

> There?s only once client, and the intention is to keep it that. Would
> it be nice to decrease the <sources> parameter to "1", or even to
> throw <limits> away?

you can impose whatever limits you want but don't forget that the client
limit includes more than just listeners.

> There?s no router in here; it?s only a single machine with connection DSL.

I would check your IP/routing/firewall then, there is no routing from
here to the stated IP port, which would indicate that icecast doesn't
even see the connection.

karl.



From ddominey86 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 18:27:46 2005
From: ddominey86 at gmail.com (Darrell Dominey)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 14:57:46 -0330
Subject: [Icecast] Push relay from nicecast with icecast2?
In-Reply-To: <2f3554e605032310257c8ea850@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45de8cad72d68a8ec6fe2c70c8be9978@tellechea.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503240123320.13693@data.home>
	<286e6b7c050323082713c9f12d@mail.gmail.com>
	<286e6b7c05032308287235dda7@mail.gmail.com>
	<2f3554e605032310257c8ea850@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2f3554e60503231027ce505f7@mail.gmail.com>

i don't think anyone has really answered his question yet, so i'll
give it a shot.

from what you have said i think you are misunderstanding something.
the customer that is running nicecast does not need any kind of server
on his machine, all he would have to do is tell nicecast to stream to
your server

as for the archived content, all thet would be required is to run ices
on the server machine to do that streming of static content


On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:28:24 +0000, Dan Stowell <danstowell at gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:26:59 +1000, Geoff Shang <geoff at hitsandpieces.net> wrote:
> > Chuck Tellechea wrote:
> >
> > > What I'm thinking of doing now, is to running an instance of either icecast1
> > > or shoutcast, on the datacenter server, to receive the 'pushed' broadcast
> > > from the Nicecast running on the G5 at my customer's office/studio.
> > > Additionally running an instance of icecast2, on the same datacenter server
> > > (and on another port(s)) to stream the archived mp3 content.
> >
> > It is true that Icecast2 can't do push relaying, but I don't understand why
> > you need it.  If Nicecast is going to be pushing the content to you, what's
> > the problem?  Maybe *I'm* missing something.
>
> Nicecast uses Icecast to do its broadcasting, so it can't do anything
> that Icecast can't do. So I don't really understand either.
>
> Could you solve the DHCP problem by getting your customer set up with
> dynDNS? Wouldn't that immediately solve the problem, meaning that
> people could listen directly to the stream coming from his box?
>
> Dan
>
> --
> http://www.mcld.co.uk
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>


From chuckt at tellechea.org  Wed Mar 23 18:48:59 2005
From: chuckt at tellechea.org (Chuck Tellechea)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:48:59 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Push relay from nicecast with icecast2?
In-Reply-To: <2f3554e60503231027ce505f7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45de8cad72d68a8ec6fe2c70c8be9978@tellechea.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503240123320.13693@data.home>
	<286e6b7c050323082713c9f12d@mail.gmail.com>
	<286e6b7c05032308287235dda7@mail.gmail.com>
	<2f3554e605032310257c8ea850@mail.gmail.com>
	<2f3554e60503231027ce505f7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b8f66a89b84536daf7c49ff93a6e54c9@tellechea.org>

Darrel,

Thanks for the help. I'm presuming then that I've misunderstood what is 
meant by "pull" vs. "push".

I understood, I guess erroneously, that the context of 'push' relaying 
was from the perspective of the icecast2 receiving a 'pushed' stream. I 
believe now that I have this backwards, and that the context is from 
the part of icecast2 not being set up to 'push'  a stream (broadcast as 
per nicecast or shoutcast client tools) to another icecast2 server (or 
icecast1, shoutcast, or whatever).

If such is the case, then I am still confused by the context of the 
"Specific Mountpoint Relay" paradigm and how to setup a mountpoint for 
the 'listening' icecast2 server at the datacenter which would be 
receiving a 'pushed' stream from the nicecast client/server at my 
customer's studio.

Or do I is the "Specific Mountpoint Relay" paradigm *not* applicable 
here, and what I need to do is merely to setup a <listen-socket> 
instance with the <shoutcast-compat> set to true, and setup Nicecast to 
send as if to a shoutcast server? Nicecast has a icecast2 option in its 
remote server configuration, however, it requires one to specify an 
mountpoint; and if such is the case, I'm back to using the "Specific 
Mountpoint Relay" paradigm, aren't I?

In any case, I'm going to try a few different ways while instrumenting 
the connections with tcpdump and see if I can figure this out. I'll be 
working on this the rest of the day today. Thanks again :)

On Mar 23, 2005, at 1:27 PM, Darrell Dominey wrote:

> i don't think anyone has really answered his question yet, so i'll
> give it a shot.
>
> from what you have said i think you are misunderstanding something.
> the customer that is running nicecast does not need any kind of server
> on his machine, all he would have to do is tell nicecast to stream to
> your server
>
> as for the archived content, all thet would be required is to run ices
> on the server machine to do that streming of static content
>
>
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:28:24 +0000, Dan Stowell <danstowell at gmail.com> 
> wrote:
>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:26:59 +1000, Geoff Shang 
>> <geoff at hitsandpieces.net> wrote:
>>> Chuck Tellechea wrote:
>>>
>>>> What I'm thinking of doing now, is to running an instance of either 
>>>> icecast1
>>>> or shoutcast, on the datacenter server, to receive the 'pushed' 
>>>> broadcast
>>>> from the Nicecast running on the G5 at my customer's office/studio.
>>>> Additionally running an instance of icecast2, on the same 
>>>> datacenter server
>>>> (and on another port(s)) to stream the archived mp3 content.
>>>
>>> It is true that Icecast2 can't do push relaying, but I don't 
>>> understand why
>>> you need it.  If Nicecast is going to be pushing the content to you, 
>>> what's
>>> the problem?  Maybe *I'm* missing something.
>>
>> Nicecast uses Icecast to do its broadcasting, so it can't do anything
>> that Icecast can't do. So I don't really understand either.
>>
>> Could you solve the DHCP problem by getting your customer set up with
>> dynDNS? Wouldn't that immediately solve the problem, meaning that
>> people could listen directly to the stream coming from his box?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>> --
>> http://www.mcld.co.uk
>> _______________________________________________
>> Icecast mailing list
>> Icecast at xiph.org
>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>>
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
--
"Living is easy with eyes closed;
         misunderstanding all you see...."
                 John Lennon

         Chuck Tellechea



From chuckt at tellechea.org  Wed Mar 23 18:55:13 2005
From: chuckt at tellechea.org (Chuck Tellechea)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 13:55:13 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Push relay from nicecast with icecast2?
In-Reply-To: <286e6b7c05032308287235dda7@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45de8cad72d68a8ec6fe2c70c8be9978@tellechea.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503240123320.13693@data.home>
	<286e6b7c050323082713c9f12d@mail.gmail.com>
	<286e6b7c05032308287235dda7@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <861adcf25c90aef2eb50cf1a732c4cc0@tellechea.org>

Dan,

Thanks for responding.

On Mar 23, 2005, at 11:28 AM, Dan Stowell wrote:

> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:26:59 +1000, Geoff Shang 
> <geoff at hitsandpieces.net> wrote:
>> Chuck Tellechea wrote:
>>
>>> What I'm thinking of doing now, is to running an instance of either 
>>> icecast1
>>> or shoutcast, on the datacenter server, to receive the 'pushed' 
>>> broadcast
>>> from the Nicecast running on the G5 at my customer's office/studio.
>>> Additionally running an instance of icecast2, on the same datacenter 
>>> server
>>> (and on another port(s)) to stream the archived mp3 content.
>>
>> It is true that Icecast2 can't do push relaying, but I don't 
>> understand why
>> you need it.  If Nicecast is going to be pushing the content to you, 
>> what's
>> the problem?  Maybe *I'm* missing something.
>
> Nicecast uses Icecast to do its broadcasting, so it can't do anything
> that Icecast can't do. So I don't really understand either.
>
> Could you solve the DHCP problem by getting your customer set up with
> dynDNS? Wouldn't that immediately solve the problem, meaning that
> people could listen directly to the stream coming from his box?
>

Well, the problem here is that bandwidth (hopefully) will become an 
issue and that is why we need to relay to a server with a FAT pipe at a 
datacenter. Regardless, he'd have to setup port forwarding, or a DMZ, 
on his router/NAT device behind his cable modem, and such would be 
beyond his skills. I'd need to do that and then manage it as well. 
Much, much, simpler for him just to send a stream to the datacenter 
server and have that server 'proxy' it to the world. I do that now with 
shoutcast and nicecast for my Buddhist temple; however, that's only one 
stream. There's going to be a number of separate streams to different 
content and bitrates for this customer. And though, I presume, I could 
run multiple instances of shoutcast on the same box, on different 
ports, such would be more of a pain to manage than one daemon process 
handling all of them; therefore my interest in icecast2.

Thanks again :)


> Dan
>
> -- 
> http://www.mcld.co.uk
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
--
"Living is easy with eyes closed;
         misunderstanding all you see...."
                 John Lennon

         Chuck Tellechea



From lluis at artefacte.org  Wed Mar 23 20:45:53 2005
From: lluis at artefacte.org (lluis)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:45:53 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] listclients.xsl
In-Reply-To: <861adcf25c90aef2eb50cf1a732c4cc0@tellechea.org>
References: <45de8cad72d68a8ec6fe2c70c8be9978@tellechea.org>
	<286e6b7c05032308287235dda7@mail.gmail.com>
	<861adcf25c90aef2eb50cf1a732c4cc0@tellechea.org>
Message-ID: <200503232145.53811.lluis@artefacte.org>


hello,

i want to access freely to the listcliens.xsl without admin passwd

i moved the file from /usr/local/share/icecast/admin/ to 
/usr/local/share/icecast/web 

and still no works

anibody can help please?


From chuckt at tellechea.org  Wed Mar 23 21:46:57 2005
From: chuckt at tellechea.org (Chuck Tellechea)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:46:57 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Push relay from nicecast with icecast2?
In-Reply-To: <861adcf25c90aef2eb50cf1a732c4cc0@tellechea.org>
References: <45de8cad72d68a8ec6fe2c70c8be9978@tellechea.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503240123320.13693@data.home>
	<286e6b7c050323082713c9f12d@mail.gmail.com>
	<286e6b7c05032308287235dda7@mail.gmail.com>
	<861adcf25c90aef2eb50cf1a732c4cc0@tellechea.org>
Message-ID: <98caafb245c3f0a758f803b5f33266e8@tellechea.org>

Greetings,

Ok, success. I understand now that what I thought was a relaying server 
was actually a source client. This was not really clear and caused me a 
great deal of confusion. My fault....  <must remember to remove head 
from posterior prior to project commencement>

However, I found something interesting that needs to be documented. I 
was using a password of radi0 with the source login. It seems that 
Icecast2 does not accept any passwords which include a mixture of alpha 
and numeric characters.

In any case. I am up with one test stream. Thanks :)

On Mar 23, 2005, at 1:55 PM, Chuck Tellechea wrote:

> Dan,
>
> Thanks for responding.
>
> On Mar 23, 2005, at 11:28 AM, Dan Stowell wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:26:59 +1000, Geoff Shang 
>> <geoff at hitsandpieces.net> wrote:
>>> Chuck Tellechea wrote:
>>>
>>>> What I'm thinking of doing now, is to running an instance of either 
>>>> icecast1
>>>> or shoutcast, on the datacenter server, to receive the 'pushed' 
>>>> broadcast
>>>> from the Nicecast running on the G5 at my customer's office/studio.
>>>> Additionally running an instance of icecast2, on the same 
>>>> datacenter server
>>>> (and on another port(s)) to stream the archived mp3 content.
>>>
>>> It is true that Icecast2 can't do push relaying, but I don't 
>>> understand why
>>> you need it.  If Nicecast is going to be pushing the content to you, 
>>> what's
>>> the problem?  Maybe *I'm* missing something.
>>
>> Nicecast uses Icecast to do its broadcasting, so it can't do anything
>> that Icecast can't do. So I don't really understand either.
>>
>> Could you solve the DHCP problem by getting your customer set up with
>> dynDNS? Wouldn't that immediately solve the problem, meaning that
>> people could listen directly to the stream coming from his box?
>>
>
> Well, the problem here is that bandwidth (hopefully) will become an 
> issue and that is why we need to relay to a server with a FAT pipe at 
> a datacenter. Regardless, he'd have to setup port forwarding, or a 
> DMZ, on his router/NAT device behind his cable modem, and such would 
> be beyond his skills. I'd need to do that and then manage it as well. 
> Much, much, simpler for him just to send a stream to the datacenter 
> server and have that server 'proxy' it to the world. I do that now 
> with shoutcast and nicecast for my Buddhist temple; however, that's 
> only one stream. There's going to be a number of separate streams to 
> different content and bitrates for this customer. And though, I 
> presume, I could run multiple instances of shoutcast on the same box, 
> on different ports, such would be more of a pain to manage than one 
> daemon process handling all of them; therefore my interest in 
> icecast2.
>
> Thanks again :)
>
>
>> Dan
>>
>> -- 
>> http://www.mcld.co.uk
>> _______________________________________________
>> Icecast mailing list
>> Icecast at xiph.org
>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>>
> --
> "Living is easy with eyes closed;
>         misunderstanding all you see...."
>                 John Lennon
>
>         Chuck Tellechea
>
>
--
"Living is easy with eyes closed;
         misunderstanding all you see...."
                 John Lennon

         Chuck Tellechea



From karl at xiph.org  Wed Mar 23 23:39:12 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 23 Mar 2005 23:39:12 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] listclients.xsl
In-Reply-To: <200503232145.53811.lluis@artefacte.org>
References: <45de8cad72d68a8ec6fe2c70c8be9978@tellechea.org>
	<286e6b7c05032308287235dda7@mail.gmail.com>
	<861adcf25c90aef2eb50cf1a732c4cc0@tellechea.org>
	<200503232145.53811.lluis@artefacte.org>
Message-ID: <1111621152.17124.35.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Wed, 2005-03-23 at 20:45, lluis wrote:
> hello,
> 
> i want to access freely to the listcliens.xsl without admin passwd
> 
> i moved the file from /usr/local/share/icecast/admin/ to 
> /usr/local/share/icecast/web 
> 
> and still no works

why would it? listclients deals with specific information about
currently connected listeners, why would that be publicly available

karl.




From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 23:45:26 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:45:26 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] Push relay from nicecast with icecast2?
In-Reply-To: <98caafb245c3f0a758f803b5f33266e8@tellechea.org>
References: <45de8cad72d68a8ec6fe2c70c8be9978@tellechea.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503240123320.13693@data.home>
	<286e6b7c050323082713c9f12d@mail.gmail.com>
	<286e6b7c05032308287235dda7@mail.gmail.com>
	<861adcf25c90aef2eb50cf1a732c4cc0@tellechea.org>
	<98caafb245c3f0a758f803b5f33266e8@tellechea.org>
Message-ID: <3c17372105032315451711870f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:46:57 -0500, Chuck Tellechea
<chuckt at tellechea.org> wrote:
> Greetings,
> 
> Ok, success. I understand now that what I thought was a relaying server
> was actually a source client. This was not really clear and caused me a
> great deal of confusion. My fault....  <must remember to remove head
> from posterior prior to project commencement>
> 
> However, I found something interesting that needs to be documented. I
> was using a password of radi0 with the source login. It seems that
> Icecast2 does not accept any passwords which include a mixture of alpha
> and numeric characters.

If that's true, it's a bug - it's certainly meant to allow any
password. So we'd rather fix the bug than document it :-)

Could you please double-check this, and then submit a bug report (with
as much detail as possible) at http://bugs.xiph.org/

Thanks!

Mike


From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Wed Mar 23 23:46:41 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 10:46:41 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] listclients.xsl
In-Reply-To: <200503232145.53811.lluis@artefacte.org>
References: <45de8cad72d68a8ec6fe2c70c8be9978@tellechea.org>
	<286e6b7c05032308287235dda7@mail.gmail.com>
	<861adcf25c90aef2eb50cf1a732c4cc0@tellechea.org>
	<200503232145.53811.lluis@artefacte.org>
Message-ID: <3c1737210503231546400b1ea2@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:45:53 +0100, lluis <lluis at artefacte.org> wrote:
> 
> hello,
> 
> i want to access freely to the listcliens.xsl without admin passwd

This is deliberately not permitted, it's not information that it would
be sensible to allow without authentication. There's no way to do what
you want (at least not without modifying icecast source).

Mike


From lluis at artefacte.org  Thu Mar 24 00:19:49 2005
From: lluis at artefacte.org (lluis)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 01:19:49 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] listclients.xsl
In-Reply-To: <3c1737210503231546400b1ea2@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45de8cad72d68a8ec6fe2c70c8be9978@tellechea.org>
	<200503232145.53811.lluis@artefacte.org>
	<3c1737210503231546400b1ea2@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200503240119.49237.lluis@artefacte.org>


in my case is just to make a real-time mapping of the connected users to my 
server ... i want to publish it like my presentation card ... 
like :: at this moment we have N listeners ... n1 of them from uk, n2 from 
usa, etc ... etc ... 

in my point of view this is not confidential information .... there are lots 
of web-pages (most of them weblogs) that offers logs like this to the public. 

in any case, where i must to look/hack to change this feature?

thank's a lot.



On Thursday 24 March 2005 00:46, Michael Smith wrote:
> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 21:45:53 +0100, lluis <lluis at artefacte.org> wrote:
> > hello,
> >
> > i want to access freely to the listcliens.xsl without admin passwd
>
> This is deliberately not permitted, it's not information that it would
> be sensible to allow without authentication. There's no way to do what
> you want (at least not without modifying icecast source).
>
> Mike


From denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com  Thu Mar 24 01:37:25 2005
From: denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com (Denis Paschoalinoto)
Date: Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:37:25 -0300
Subject: [Icecast] Tests
Message-ID: <77a44d4c05032317377e3e8557@mail.gmail.com>

Hello

Would anyone test URL http://201.1.74.119:8000/live.m3u, please?

Thank you,

Denis.


From mlrsmith at gmail.com  Thu Mar 24 01:49:24 2005
From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 12:49:24 +1100
Subject: [Icecast] Tests
In-Reply-To: <77a44d4c05032317377e3e8557@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77a44d4c05032317377e3e8557@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <3c17372105032317494dbe987f@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 22:37:25 -0300, Denis Paschoalinoto
<denis.paschoalinoto at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello
> 
> Would anyone test URL http://201.1.74.119:8000/live.m3u, please?

It still doesn't work. Please stop sending these mails to the mailing
list, though. Getting your network working isn't of interest to 99.9%
of people on this list.

Mike


From ml at imux.net  Thu Mar 24 02:01:36 2005
From: ml at imux.net (ml)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:01:36 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Tests
In-Reply-To: <77a44d4c05032317377e3e8557@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77a44d4c05032317377e3e8557@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <42421F80.2020803@imux.net>

Denis Paschoalinoto wrote:

> Hello
> 
> Would anyone test URL http://201.1.74.119:8000/live.m3u, please?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Denis.

If you want people to test your stream ask in the support channel 
instead of spamming the list please.

Stephen
http://liveice.sf.net/



From chuckt at tellechea.org  Thu Mar 24 05:28:37 2005
From: chuckt at tellechea.org (Chuck Tellechea)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 00:28:37 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] source password including mix of alpha and numbers fails
In-Reply-To: <3c17372105032315451711870f@mail.gmail.com>
References: <45de8cad72d68a8ec6fe2c70c8be9978@tellechea.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503240123320.13693@data.home>
	<286e6b7c050323082713c9f12d@mail.gmail.com>
	<286e6b7c05032308287235dda7@mail.gmail.com>
	<861adcf25c90aef2eb50cf1a732c4cc0@tellechea.org>
	<98caafb245c3f0a758f803b5f33266e8@tellechea.org>
	<3c17372105032315451711870f@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <8bdf18f1750fe09ac5a4f53bae365b18@tellechea.org>

Mike,

I'll check on this. Maybe tomorrow tho I'm at another customer's site 
and may not get to it.
If I can reproduce it with another set of character combinations, I'll 
submit a bug report.
--
Chuck Tellechea
CMTi Technologies, Inc.
Phone: 703.568.3356
Fax:   571.258.0346
On Mar 23, 2005, at 6:45 PM, Michael Smith wrote:

> On Wed, 23 Mar 2005 16:46:57 -0500, Chuck Tellechea
> <chuckt at tellechea.org> wrote:
>> Greetings,
>>
>> Ok, success. I understand now that what I thought was a relaying 
>> server
>> was actually a source client. This was not really clear and caused me 
>> a
>> great deal of confusion. My fault....  <must remember to remove head
>> from posterior prior to project commencement>
>>
>> However, I found something interesting that needs to be documented. I
>> was using a password of radi0 with the source login. It seems that
>> Icecast2 does not accept any passwords which include a mixture of 
>> alpha
>> and numeric characters.
>
> If that's true, it's a bug - it's certainly meant to allow any
> password. So we'd rather fix the bug than document it :-)
>
> Could you please double-check this, and then submit a bug report (with
> as much detail as possible) at http://bugs.xiph.org/
>
> Thanks!
>
> Mike



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Thu Mar 24 08:54:52 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 18:54:52 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Push relay from nicecast with icecast2?
In-Reply-To: <98caafb245c3f0a758f803b5f33266e8@tellechea.org>
References: <45de8cad72d68a8ec6fe2c70c8be9978@tellechea.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503240123320.13693@data.home>
	<286e6b7c050323082713c9f12d@mail.gmail.com>
	<286e6b7c05032308287235dda7@mail.gmail.com>
	<861adcf25c90aef2eb50cf1a732c4cc0@tellechea.org>
	<98caafb245c3f0a758f803b5f33266e8@tellechea.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503241853550.13693@data.home>

> However, I found something interesting that needs to be documented. I was 
> using a password of radi0 with the source login. It seems that Icecast2 does 
> not accept any passwords which include a mixture of alpha and numeric 
> characters.

Pretty much every paswrd I've ever used with Icecast has involved letters 
and numbers, so if it is indeed a bug then it's not that simple.

Geoff.



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Thu Mar 24 09:01:04 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:01:04 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Push relay from nicecast with icecast2?
In-Reply-To: <b8f66a89b84536daf7c49ff93a6e54c9@tellechea.org>
References: <45de8cad72d68a8ec6fe2c70c8be9978@tellechea.org>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503240123320.13693@data.home>
	<286e6b7c050323082713c9f12d@mail.gmail.com>
	<286e6b7c05032308287235dda7@mail.gmail.com>
	<2f3554e605032310257c8ea850@mail.gmail.com>
	<2f3554e60503231027ce505f7@mail.gmail.com>
	<b8f66a89b84536daf7c49ff93a6e54c9@tellechea.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503241857090.13693@data.home>

Chuck Tellechea wrote:

> Nicecast has a icecast2 option in its remote server 
> configuration, however, it requires one to specify an mountpoint; and if such 
> is the case, I'm back to using the "Specific Mountpoint Relay" paradigm, 
> aren't I?

I'm assuming you got this all squared away, but just in case not.

Providing you're using the global source password for the Icecast2 server, 
there's no need to do any;thing on the server prior to broadcasting.  Just 
configure your source with the global source password and the mount you 
specify there will automatically be created by Icecast when the source 
connects..

Of course, if you have a <mount> section for a specific mountpoint with its 
own password, then you will have to use that password to be able to use 
that mount.

Geoff.



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Thu Mar 24 09:08:37 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 19:08:37 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Another person cannot hear my radio (yet)
In-Reply-To: <77a44d4c05032308124beb91fa@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77a44d4c05032219233c736b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503240119150.13693@data.home>
	<77a44d4c05032308124beb91fa@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503241901520.13693@data.home>

Denis Paschoalinoto wrote:

> There?s no router in here; it?s only a single machine with connection DSL.

In that case, either a firewall or something that you're running is 
dropping everything on the floor, or, and I suspect this is more likely, 
your ISP is blocking incoming connections.  I can't trace a route to your 
machine, ping it, or connect on any of a stack of different ports, so 
whatever is blocking you is doing a very good job.

Geoff.

From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Fri Mar 25 07:13:11 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 17:13:11 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Log analysis
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503251708570.13693@data.home>

Hi everyone,

Ok, so I admit I'm asking this to avoid having to do my own research.  but 
I'm also asking in the hopes of avoiding doing my own scripting.

ACB Radio is looking at moving across to Icecast.  There's really not a lot 
to stop us at this point.  But we are keen to retain access to total 
listener hours, average listen time and amount of data served per 
mountpoint.

I know this can all be gleaned from the access.log file.  What I want to 
know is if there's any software that can already do this or whether I'll 
have to role my own.  I've heard people talk about webaliser, but can it 
track stuff like total listener hours?

Any info on this would be helpful, including any scripts people have 
written to do this if such standalone solutions don't already exist.

Geoff.


-- 
Geoff Shang <geoff at hitsandpieces.net>
Phone: +61-418-96-5590
MSN: geoff at acbradio.org

Make sure your E-mail can be read by everyone!
http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html

Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html


From k.j.wierenga at home.nl  Fri Mar 25 10:00:59 2005
From: k.j.wierenga at home.nl (Klaas Jan Wierenga)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 11:00:59 +0100
Subject: Antw: [Icecast] Log analysis
Message-ID: <20050325100102.A6D5528714F@ns3.osuosl.org>


Hi Geoff,

The streaming version of Webalizer can certainly do this (hmm, I can't seem to find the link anymore, it used to be on a separate website, not awstats.sf.net) and I use it for my clients.

See my post from September 2004 regarding correct logging of SOURCE time.

http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/2004-September/007564.html

Cheers,
KJ

> 
> Van: Geoff Shang <geoff at hitsandpieces.net>
> Aan: icecast at xiph.org
> Datum: vr 25 mar 05, 8:13
> Onderwerp: [Icecast] Log analysis
> 
> Hi everyone,
> 
> Ok, so I admit I'm asking this to avoid having to do my own research.  but 
> I'm also asking in the hopes of avoiding doing my own scripting.
> 
> ACB Radio is looking at moving across to Icecast.  There's really not a lot 
> to stop us at this point.  But we are keen to retain access to total 
> listener hours, average listen time and amount of data served per 
> mountpoint.
> 
> I know this can all be gleaned from the access.log file.  What I want to 
> know is if there's any software that can already do this or whether I'll 
> have to role my own.  I've heard people talk about webaliser, but can it 
> track stuff like total listener hours?
> 
> Any info on this would be helpful, including any scripts people have 
> written to do this if such standalone solutions don't already exist.
> 
> Geoff.
> 
> 
> -- 
> Geoff Shang <geoff at hitsandpieces.net>
> Phone: +61-418-96-5590
> MSN: geoff at acbradio.org
> 
> Make sure your E-mail can be read by everyone!
> http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html
> 
> Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
> See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
> 



From f.letteboer at xs4all.nl  Fri Mar 25 09:22:04 2005
From: f.letteboer at xs4all.nl (Frits Letteboer)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:22:04 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Log analysis
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503251708570.13693@data.home>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503251708570.13693@data.home>
Message-ID: <4243D83C.8020401@xs4all.nl>

Geoff Shang wrote:

> Hi everyone,
> 
> Ok, so I admit I'm asking this to avoid having to do my own research.  
> but I'm also asking in the hopes of avoiding doing my own scripting.
> 
[...]
> Any info on this would be helpful, including any scripts people have 
> written to do this if such standalone solutions don't already exist.


We use awstats for this purpose, it returns some interesting facts. 
Here's our real-life example:

http://lucius.radiozilvervos.com/awstats/awstats.pl?config=icecast

Normally, this information is not open to the public, so based on this 
email access has been temporarily granted to that ip. I hope it's kind 
of static :)

Yours,

Frits



From greg at orban.com  Fri Mar 25 12:22:25 2005
From: greg at orban.com (Greg J. Ogonowski)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 04:22:25 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] Log analysis
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503251708570.13693@data.home>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503251708570.13693@data.home>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050325042203.05ea2e20@66.220.31.130>

Is this what you are looking for?

http://www.gnuware.com/icecast/sect_08_05.html

-greg.



At 23:13 2005-03-24, Geoff Shang wrote:

>Hi everyone,
>
>Ok, so I admit I'm asking this to avoid having to do my own research.  but
>I'm also asking in the hopes of avoiding doing my own scripting.
>
>ACB Radio is looking at moving across to Icecast.  There's really not a lot
>to stop us at this point.  But we are keen to retain access to total
>listener hours, average listen time and amount of data served per
>mountpoint.
>
>I know this can all be gleaned from the access.log file.  What I want to
>know is if there's any software that can already do this or whether I'll
>have to role my own.  I've heard people talk about webaliser, but can it
>track stuff like total listener hours?
>
>Any info on this would be helpful, including any scripts people have
>written to do this if such standalone solutions don't already exist.
>
>Geoff.
>
>--
>Geoff Shang <geoff at hitsandpieces.net>
>Phone: +61-418-96-5590
>MSN: geoff at acbradio.org
>
>Make sure your E-mail can be read by everyone!
><http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html>http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html 
>
>
>Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
>See 
><http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html 
>
>_______________________________________________
>Icecast mailing list
>Icecast at xiph.org
><http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast>http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast 
>


__________________________________________________________________________
Greg J. Ogonowski
VP Product Development
ORBAN / CRL, Inc.
1525 Alvarado St.
San Leandro, CA  94577  USA
TEL +1 510 351-3500
FAX +1 510 351-0500
greg at orban.com
http://www.orban.com
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From greg at orban.com  Fri Mar 25 13:09:30 2005
From: greg at orban.com (Greg J. Ogonowski)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 05:09:30 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] Log analysis
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503251708570.13693@data.home>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503251708570.13693@data.home>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050325050601.05deb710@66.220.31.130>

Hi Geoff-

Sorry about the previous post.
That link is not what I meant to send.

However, this looks like an interesting package:

http://www.quest.com/funnel_web_analyzer/

This is a free download from their website.

I haven't tested this, but it is on my never ending list of things to do.
Let me know if you get to it first.

-greg.




At 23:13 2005-03-24, Geoff Shang wrote:

>Hi everyone,
>
>Ok, so I admit I'm asking this to avoid having to do my own research.  but
>I'm also asking in the hopes of avoiding doing my own scripting.
>
>ACB Radio is looking at moving across to Icecast.  There's really not a lot
>to stop us at this point.  But we are keen to retain access to total
>listener hours, average listen time and amount of data served per
>mountpoint.
>
>I know this can all be gleaned from the access.log file.  What I want to
>know is if there's any software that can already do this or whether I'll
>have to role my own.  I've heard people talk about webaliser, but can it
>track stuff like total listener hours?
>
>Any info on this would be helpful, including any scripts people have
>written to do this if such standalone solutions don't already exist.
>
>Geoff.
>
>--
>Geoff Shang <geoff at hitsandpieces.net>
>Phone: +61-418-96-5590
>MSN: geoff at acbradio.org
>
>Make sure your E-mail can be read by everyone!
><http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html>http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html 
>
>
>Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
>See 
><http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html>http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html 
>
>_______________________________________________
>Icecast mailing list
>Icecast at xiph.org
><http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast>http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast 
>


__________________________________________________________________________
Greg J. Ogonowski
VP Product Development
ORBAN / CRL, Inc.
1525 Alvarado St.
San Leandro, CA  94577  USA
TEL +1 510 351-3500
FAX +1 510 351-0500
greg at orban.com
http://www.orban.com
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From: convinceme_ at hotmail.com (CØñvìñÇè MÈ)
Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2005 02:02:48 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Now Playing Stats + Best Combo with icecast for windows
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From iceuse at mail.wwlang.net  Fri Mar 25 13:17:40 2005
From: iceuse at mail.wwlang.net (iceuse at mail.wwlang.net)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 14:17:40 +0100
Subject: Antw: [Icecast] Log analysis
In-Reply-To: <20050325100102.A6D5528714F@ns3.osuosl.org>
Message-ID: <E1DEoh2-0005fZ-8k@stalig01.stalig.net>

Hello,
Stream version of Webalizer is here:
http://webalizer.kezako.net/

the page was broken, it is repared now. I think it will work fine as I'm using it daily with four icecast servers.

regards,
Chris


From greg at orban.com  Fri Mar 25 13:30:22 2005
From: greg at orban.com (Greg J. Ogonowski)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 05:30:22 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] Webalizer - Streaming Version
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050325052853.0600efc0@66.220.31.130>

Webalizer - Streaming Version

http://webalizer.kezako.net/download.html

__________________________________________________________________________
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VP Product Development
ORBAN / CRL, Inc.
1525 Alvarado St.
San Leandro, CA  94577  USA
TEL +1 510 351-3500
FAX +1 510 351-0500
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From andrejkw at gmail.com  Fri Mar 25 14:02:21 2005
From: andrejkw at gmail.com (Ondrej P.)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 09:02:21 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] 2 Sources on 1 Stream
Message-ID: <424419f8.74aa8401.4f52.69c2@mx.gmail.com>

Hello,

 

Is there a way to allow 2 or more DJs talk on the same station at the same
time using Icecast2 ?

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From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Fri Mar 25 15:01:58 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 01:01:58 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] 2 Sources on 1 Stream
In-Reply-To: <424419f8.74aa8401.4f52.69c2@mx.gmail.com>
References: <424419f8.74aa8401.4f52.69c2@mx.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503260053080.25461@data.home>

Ondrej P. wrote:

> Is there a way to allow 2 or more DJs talk on the same station at the same
> time using Icecast2 ?

Possibly.  The two signals will need to be combined at some point, they 
will need to be decoded and mixed together.  The latency of Ogg Vorbis or 
MP3 makes this sort of thing rather problematic.  Freenode Radio was using 
something to sum two ogg vorbis streams together at one stage to allow this 
sort of thing, but the delay was pretty hidious.

Geoff.



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Fri Mar 25 15:08:07 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 01:08:07 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Now Playing Stats + Best Combo with icecast for windows
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F29EAA712FED1DE7057407E8D400@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F29EAA712FED1DE7057407E8D400@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503260102100.25461@data.home>

CXXvXXXX MX wrote:

> How do i display to my users which song is being currently played and how
> many listeners are currently connected. i want that to be displayed on
> the web so i hope i dont get answers that i could view it from stats.xml
> or whtever the page is ...

Well, that is how you would do it.  You could either use a script to grab 
it from the original XML stats or an XSL transform of them and display it 
as part of your page, or I guess you could write an XSL transform with the 
info you want and use an iframe to display it.  Not as neat a solution, but 
not as difficult to implement either.

> secondly what is the most stable combination
> with icecast server... we are talking about windows xp as the operating
> system. like i am currently using jetcast is there any other better
> possible option?

I've never heard of jetcast, so no idea how good or bad it is.  Options 
that immediately come to mind are simplecast and the sam plugin for winamp, 
both from audiorealm, the oddcast plugin for winamp and foobar2000 from 
oddsock.org, the streamtranscoder using linein mode also from oddsock.org, 
and ezstream which you can get from icecast.org.  Now whichever one you 
want will depend greatly on what exactly you want to do with it.

Geoff.



From greg at orban.com  Fri Mar 25 15:13:02 2005
From: greg at orban.com (Greg J. Ogonowski)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 07:13:02 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] Now Playing Stats + Best Combo with icecast for windows
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F29EAA712FED1DE7057407E8D400@phx.gbl>
References: <3c17372105032317576d9c046f@mail.gmail.com>
	<BAY103-F29EAA712FED1DE7057407E8D400@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050325071133.05ef6c00@66.220.31.130>

At 18:02 2005-03-23, C??v???? M? wrote:
>How do i display to my users which song is being currently played and how 
>many listeners are currently connected. i want that to be displayed on the 
>web so i hope i dont get answers that i could view it from stats.xml or 
>whtever the page is ... secondly what is the most stable combination with 
>icecast server... we are talking about windows xp as the operating system. 
>like i am currently using jetcast is there any other better possible option?


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From lluis at artefacte.org  Fri Mar 25 14:49:15 2005
From: lluis at artefacte.org (lluis)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 15:49:15 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] 2 Sources on 1 Stream
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503260053080.25461@data.home>
References: <424419f8.74aa8401.4f52.69c2@mx.gmail.com>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503260053080.25461@data.home>
Message-ID: <200503251549.15452.lluis@artefacte.org>

On Friday 25 March 2005 16:01, Geoff Shang wrote:
> Ondrej P. wrote:
> > Is there a way to allow 2 or more DJs talk on the same station at the
> > same time using Icecast2 ?
>
> Possibly.  The two signals will need to be combined at some point, they
> will need to be decoded and mixed together.  

http://muse.dyne.org

> The latency of Ogg Vorbis or 
> MP3 makes this sort of thing rather problematic.  Freenode Radio was using
> something to sum two ogg vorbis streams together at one stage to allow this
> sort of thing, but the delay was pretty hidious.
>
> Geoff.
>
> _______________________________________________
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> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast


From jbebel at ncsu.edu  Fri Mar 25 15:32:31 2005
From: jbebel at ncsu.edu (Joel Ebel)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 10:32:31 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] 2 Sources on 1 Stream
In-Reply-To: <200503251549.15452.lluis@artefacte.org>
References: <424419f8.74aa8401.4f52.69c2@mx.gmail.com>	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503260053080.25461@data.home>
	<200503251549.15452.lluis@artefacte.org>
Message-ID: <42442F0F.2070107@ncsu.edu>



lluis wrote:
> On Friday 25 March 2005 16:01, Geoff Shang wrote:
> 
>>Ondrej P. wrote:
>>
>>>Is there a way to allow 2 or more DJs talk on the same station at the
>>>same time using Icecast2 ?
>>
>>Possibly.  The two signals will need to be combined at some point, they
>>will need to be decoded and mixed together.  
> 
> 
> http://muse.dyne.org

That requires that they both be in the same place.  I don't think that's 
what the poster is asking about.

Joel


From lluis at artefacte.org  Fri Mar 25 15:58:34 2005
From: lluis at artefacte.org (lluis)
Date: Fri, 25 Mar 2005 16:58:34 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] 2 Sources on 1 Stream
In-Reply-To: <42442F0F.2070107@ncsu.edu>
References: <424419f8.74aa8401.4f52.69c2@mx.gmail.com>
	<200503251549.15452.lluis@artefacte.org>
	<42442F0F.2070107@ncsu.edu>
Message-ID: <200503251658.34824.lluis@artefacte.org>

On Friday 25 March 2005 16:32, Joel Ebel wrote:
> lluis wrote:
> > On Friday 25 March 2005 16:01, Geoff Shang wrote:
> >>Ondrej P. wrote:
> >>>Is there a way to allow 2 or more DJs talk on the same station at the
> >>>same time using Icecast2 ?
> >>
> >>Possibly.  The two signals will need to be combined at some point, they
> >>will need to be decoded and mixed together.
> >
> > http://muse.dyne.org
>
> That requires that they both be in the same place.  I don't think that's
> what the poster is asking about.

sorry ... reading from the muse features 
http://muse.dyne.org/?info=features :: 

decodes and mixes both ogg and mp3, from files or network streams

ll
>
> Joel


From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Sat Mar 26 01:22:11 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 11:22:11 +1000
Subject: Antw: [Icecast] Log analysis
In-Reply-To: <E1DEoh2-0005fZ-8k@stalig01.stalig.net>
References: <E1DEoh2-0005fZ-8k@stalig01.stalig.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503261119070.25461@data.home>

iceuse at mail.wwlang.net wrote:

> Stream version of Webalizer is here:
> http://webalizer.kezako.net/

Thanks for fixing the page.  It does look very interesting, but I have two 
questions.

First, can you get it to give you stats on specific mountpoints?  We run 4 
separate channels (so to speak) and would need stats for each one.

Second, why do you need to know the bitrate of the stream?  I can't figure 
why you would need to know this.

Geoff.



From convinceme_ at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 27 16:09:26 2005
From: convinceme_ at hotmail.com (CØñvìñÇè MÈ)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:09:26 +0000
Subject: [Icecast] Mountpoint related..
Message-ID: <BAY103-F150D7EE378AA681FB9C9128D430@phx.gbl>

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From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Sun Mar 27 17:10:04 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:10:04 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Mountpoint related..
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F150D7EE378AA681FB9C9128D430@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F150D7EE378AA681FB9C9128D430@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503280304370.25461@data.home>

Hi,

Firstly, you're not yet subscribed to the list from this address, so some 
replies might not reach you.  This is the second message I've had to 
approve manually.

It's not a good idea to use .m3u extensions for mountpoints, as m3u files 
have their own meaning and are expected to be text files containing URLs to 
streams.  Winamp at least may choke on such a mountpoint, others may too. 
And Icecast itself may get confused as evidenced by an earlier thread this 
month.

But apart from that, you have the right idea.  You can use the admin pages 
to move listeners.  You may also want to try setting falback-overide to 1 
so that when another person connects to your primary mountpoint, your 
listeners will be pulled forward again to it.

Note that for this mountpoint fallback stuff to work with MP3, you'll need 
to be certain to be using the same sampling rate and number of channels for 
each stream otherwise players will almost certainly choke.

Geoff.


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From karl at xiph.org  Sun Mar 27 17:28:41 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 27 Mar 2005 18:28:41 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Mountpoint related..
In-Reply-To: <BAY103-F150D7EE378AA681FB9C9128D430@phx.gbl>
References: <BAY103-F150D7EE378AA681FB9C9128D430@phx.gbl>
Message-ID: <1111944520.19056.19.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Sun, 2005-03-27 at 17:09, C??v???? M? wrote:
> i dont know much about mount points so i assume the work with .mp3 format too

The mount details apply to the appropriate stream at that mountpoint,
whether it be mp3/ogg or even a shoutcast-mount.

> 
> <mount>
>     <mount-name>/first.m3u<mount-name>
>     <username>first<username>
>     <password>firstpass<password>
>     <max-listeners>1<max-listeners>
>     <fallback-mount>backup.m3u<fallback-mount>
> <mount>
>  
> now what i assume is that there are two mountpoints one is first and the other is backup. currently we are connected to first and if incase first gets disconnected it automatically moves to backup one. 
> Secondly i wanted to know how to move mountpoints from the admin panel of icecast... moving from one dj to another i.e
> If i am wrong at any point please correct me!

An m3u is a playlist format not a stream, so having a <mount> refer to
an .m3u is just wrong. The same applies to the fallback-mount, you can't
fallback to a playlist like that. I suspect you want

<mount-name>/first</mount-name>
<fallback-mount>/backup</fallback-mount>

moving users manually from one mount to another is easy enough, just
look at the /admin/stats.xsl page

karl.



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Sun Mar 27 17:43:48 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:43:48 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Shoutcast compatibility and inconsistancies
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503280250190.25461@data.home>

Hi,

I happened to need the shoutcast compatibility today and used it for the 
first time.  Apart from reminding me of my earlier suggestion regarding 
this which would allow more than one shoutcast compatible port (see thread 
starting at 
http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/2004-December/008120.html), I 
discovered some inconsistant behaviour.

I notice that the shoutcast port wants the global source password, 
regardless of the mount it is associated with.

[2005-03-27  16:13:09] EROR connection/_handle_shoutcast_compatible Invalid 
source password

I expected that it would allow me to specify a password in the related 
<mount> section and use that instead.  This would make it consistant with 
other server operations and also be consistant with Oddsock's comments in 
http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/2004-December/008127.html

Needing the global source is a security risk of sorts as it allows anyone 
who has it to create any mounts they want, and I would rather not have to 
give it out to anyone.  Tying the mountpoint more closely with the port (as 
in my other proposal) may make this easier to implement.

Geoff.


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From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Sun Mar 27 17:48:07 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 03:48:07 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] URL format for Icecast2 metadata updates
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503280345520.25461@data.home>

Hi,

What's the URL format for Icecast2 metadata updates?  I thought this info 
would be in the source docs somewhere but apparently not.  I've got a 
client which lacks Icecast2 native metadata updates and even for a C hack 
like myself, this should be pretty easy to add given the shoutcast code 
that already exists in there.  I just need the format.

Geoff.


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From Jason at Weatherserver.net  Sun Mar 27 21:10:28 2005
From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:10:28 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] URL format for Icecast2 metadata updates
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503280345520.25461@data.home>
Message-ID: <005701c53311$674c9560$1400000a@workstation>

Using the newest version of icecast2 you can update the metadata from the 
web interface.

Otherwise it is.

http://IP:PORT/admin/metadata?mount=/MOUNTPOINT&mode=updinfo&song=METADATAYOUWANTTOUPDATE

You can also do http://login:pass at IP:port   but not in windows as it doesn't 
allow logins in urls anymore.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoff Shang" <geoff at hitsandpieces.net>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 12:48 PM
Subject: [Icecast] URL format for Icecast2 metadata updates


> Hi,
>
> What's the URL format for Icecast2 metadata updates?  I thought this info 
> would be in the source docs somewhere but apparently not.  I've got a 
> client which lacks Icecast2 native metadata updates and even for a C hack 
> like myself, this should be pretty easy to add given the shoutcast code 
> that already exists in there.  I just need the format.
>
> Geoff.
>
>
> -- 
> Geoff Shang <geoff at hitsandpieces.net>
> Phone: +61-418-96-5590
> MSN: geoff at acbradio.org
>
> Make sure your E-mail can be read by everyone!
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>
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From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Sun Mar 27 21:37:13 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:37:13 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] URL format for Icecast2 metadata updates
In-Reply-To: <005701c53311$674c9560$1400000a@workstation>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503280345520.25461@data.home>
	<005701c53311$674c9560$1400000a@workstation>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503280734550.25461@data.home>

Jason wrote:

> http://IP:PORT/admin/metadata?mount=/MOUNTPOINT&mode=updinfo&song=METADATAYOUWANTTOUPDATE

Wouldn't that require the admin password?  Surely there's a way of doing it 
which only requires the source password, heck there must be since 
streamTranscoder is sending in metadata updates nicely without needing the 
admin pw.

Geoff.



From Jason at Weatherserver.net  Sun Mar 27 21:52:23 2005
From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 16:52:23 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] URL format for Icecast2 metadata updates
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503280345520.25461@data.home><005701c53311$674c9560$1400000a@workstation>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503280734550.25461@data.home>
Message-ID: <001401c53317$421146a0$1400000a@workstation>

I may work with sources as the login and whatever the password for the 
mountpoint is.  I've never tried it.
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Geoff Shang" <geoff at hitsandpieces.net>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 27, 2005 4:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Icecast] URL format for Icecast2 metadata updates


> Jason wrote:
>
>> http://IP:PORT/admin/metadata?mount=/MOUNTPOINT&mode=updinfo&song=METADATAYOUWANTTOUPDATE
>
> Wouldn't that require the admin password?  Surely there's a way of doing 
> it which only requires the source password, heck there must be since 
> streamTranscoder is sending in metadata updates nicely without needing the 
> admin pw.
>
> Geoff.
>
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From jakarhill at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 28 01:18:53 2005
From: jakarhill at yahoo.com (Randolph Davis Hill)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 17:18:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Icecast] Beginner needs help.............
Message-ID: <20050328011853.21984.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>

I think I have everything set. My plan is to steam some MP3 files.
I get this error when I run ices. Also, I am clear on how to set the
mountpoint. Any help appreciated.

Logfile opened
Playing /radio-oldschoolmusiz/Track 01.mp3
Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices, error:
Socket error
Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices, error:
Socket error
Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices, error:
Socket error
Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices, error:
Socket error
Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices, error:
Socket error
Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices, error:
Socket error
Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices, error:
Socket error
Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices, error:
Socket error
Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices, error:
Socket error
Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices, error:
Socket error
Too many stream errors, giving up
Ices Exiting...


From skuzz at skuzz.com  Mon Mar 28 03:39:38 2005
From: skuzz at skuzz.com (Nick Dunklee)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:39:38 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Odd icecast hiccup problem with low-bandwidth cellular
	client
Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1DFl6J2UJO-0004vT@mrelay.perfora.net>

Here's a very odd question - I don't know if anybody can even begin to
answer.

I am attempting something very odd and geeky. I set up an icecast Win32
server streaming a 96kbps mp3 stream (using all the latest as of today
software, winamp, icecast2 and oddcast v3) so I can listen to it on my cell
phone while at work.

My phone does GPRS EDGE data at 131kbps-ish, just barely fast enough to keep
up.

I know 96kbps SHOULD work with this because Di.FM trance streams at 96kbps
and I can listen to that hours on end off my cell phone connection and it
plays smooth....my own connection however isn't working so good.

When my phone connects all it does is hiccup and skip and then some,
occasionally reconnecting altogether, and just not playing smoothly.

I noticed di.fm uses shoutcast, so I tried a shoutcast server instead, but
it hiccups the same.

I am convinced my problem somehow has to do with the way icecast is
prebuffering. The current limits section of my config looks like this:
    <limits>
	<clients>4</clients>
        <sources>2</sources>
        <threadpool>5</threadpool>
        <queue-size>2097120</queue-size>
        <client-timeout>120</client-timeout>
        <header-timeout>120</header-timeout>
        <source-timeout>10</source-timeout>
        <burst-on-connect>1</burst-on-connect>
        <burst-size>131072</burst-size>
    </limits>

I've tried turning off burst-on-connect, tried making it 512k, tried making
it tiny... I extended my timeouts to handle the lagginess of the celluar
packet data, without those settings being as such the server would kick the
phone off before even finishing connection.

I'm tearing my hair out here, I've tried everything, researched all over
several icecast config docs, mailing lists, google, etc., etc., etc. nobody
seems to have any problem even remotely close to mine and I really don't
know what to do...are there any undocumented configuration options for the
icecast server like tweaking how often metadata gets muxed into the mp3
stream?

I'm willing to try anything!

Oh, and it does stream to computers both within my LAN and externally across
the internet just fine, its just my cellular packet data connection giving
me issues. I'll connect to di.fm trance, it works fine, then mine, and it
hiccups, so i know it's not network congestion issues on the cellular end.

Just want to listen to my library at work! arrrr!

Thanks in advance!

Nick



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Mon Mar 28 04:27:22 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:27:22 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Beginner needs help.............
In-Reply-To: <20050328011853.21984.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050328011853.21984.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503281425510.25461@data.home>

Randolph Davis Hill wrote:

> Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices, error:
> Socket error

hmmm, this could be a number of things.  Do you have the protocol set to 
http?  What does your error log have to say about this?

Geoff.



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Mon Mar 28 04:28:59 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:28:59 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Odd icecast hiccup problem with low-bandwidth cellular
	client
In-Reply-To: <0MKz1m-1DFl6J2UJO-0004vT@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0MKz1m-1DFl6J2UJO-0004vT@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503281428310.25461@data.home>

Hi,

Can we have the URLs to the two streams so perhaps we can spot the 
differences?

Geoff.


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From jakarhill at yahoo.com  Mon Mar 28 04:39:00 2005
From: jakarhill at yahoo.com (Randolph Davis Hill)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 20:39:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Icecast] Beginner needs help.............
In-Reply-To: 6667
Message-ID: <20050328043900.42203.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>

This is what I get in the icecast logfile.

[2005-03-27  15:35:13] INFO main/main Icecast 2.2.0 server started
[2005-03-27  15:35:13] WARN main/main YP server handling has been
disabled
[2005-03-27  15:35:13] INFO stats/_stats_thread stats thread started
[2005-03-27  15:35:13] INFO fserve/fserv_thread_function file serving
thread started
[2005-03-27  15:36:38] INFO admin/admin_handle_request Bad or missing
password on admin command request (command: stats.xml)
[2005-03-27  15:36:44] INFO admin/admin_handle_request Bad or missing
password on admin command request (command: stats.xml)
[2005-03-27  15:37:34] INFO admin/admin_handle_request Bad or missing
password on admin command request (command: stats.xml)
[2005-03-27  16:03:20] INFO admin/admin_handle_request Bad or missing
password on mount modification admin request (command: metadata)
[2005-03-27  16:03:20] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
logging in at mountpoint "/ices"
[2005-03-27  16:03:20] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
(/ices) attempted to login with invalid or missing password
[2005-03-27  16:14:15] INFO connection/connection_accept_loop
Scheduling config reread ...
[2005-03-27  16:14:32] INFO sighandler/_sig_die Caught signal 15,
shutting down...
[2005-03-27  16:14:32] INFO connection/_destroy_pool All connection
threads down
[2005-03-27  16:14:32] INFO main/main Shutting down
[2005-03-27  16:14:32] INFO fserve/fserve_shutdown file serving
thread stopped
[2005-03-27  16:14:33] INFO slave/_slave_thread Slave thread shutdown
complete
[2005-03-27  16:14:33] INFO stats/stats_shutdown stats thread
finished
[2005-03-27  20:12:45] INFO main/main Icecast 2.2.0 server started
[2005-03-27  20:12:45] WARN main/main YP server handling has been
disabled
[2005-03-27  20:12:46] DBUG slave/_slave_thread checking master
stream list
[2005-03-27  20:13:47] DBUG admin/admin_handle_request Admin request
(/admin/metadata)
[2005-03-27  20:13:47] DBUG admin/admin_handle_request Got command
(metadata)
[2005-03-27  20:13:47] INFO admin/admin_handle_request Bad or missing
password on mount modification admin request (command: metadata)
[2005-03-27  20:13:47] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
logging in at mountpoint "/ices"
[2005-03-27  20:13:47] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
(/ices) attempted to login with invalid or missing password
[2005-03-27  20:13:47] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node
connections (1)
[2005-03-27  20:13:47] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node
client_connections (1)
[2005-03-27  20:13:47] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node conne
--- Geoff Shang <geoff at hitsandpieces.net> wrote:
> Randolph Davis Hill wrote:
> 
> > Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices,
> error:
> > Socket error
> 
> hmmm, this could be a number of things.  Do you have the protocol
> set to 
> http?  What does your error log have to say about this?
> 
> Geoff.
> 
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> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
> 


From oddsock at oddsock.org  Mon Mar 28 04:48:48 2005
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 22:48:48 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] Shoutcast compatibility and inconsistancies
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503280250190.25461@data.home>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503280250190.25461@data.home>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050327224032.01d6a860@www.oddsock.org>

At 11:43 AM 3/27/2005, you wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I happened to need the shoutcast compatibility today and used it for the 
>first time.  Apart from reminding me of my earlier suggestion regarding 
>this which would allow more than one shoutcast compatible port (see thread 
>starting at 
>http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/2004-December/008120.html), I 
>discovered some inconsistant behaviour.

the problem with running multiple shoutcast compatible ports within the 
same icecast server is all metadata related, and due to the fact that the 
Shoutcast DSP is "mountpoint-ignorant".  The best thing we could do is to 
keep track of which port the actual metadata request came in on, and match 
it up to the mountpoint associated with that port.  Currently, this is not 
implemented, but probably could do it if enough people really start asking 
for it.  Of course, the CORRECT answer would be to use Oddcast, and then 
you don't ever have to worry about Shoutcast compatibility. :)

>I notice that the shoutcast port wants the global source password, 
>regardless of the mount it is associated with.
>
>[2005-03-27  16:13:09] EROR connection/_handle_shoutcast_compatible 
>Invalid source password
>
>I expected that it would allow me to specify a password in the related 
><mount> section and use that instead.  This would make it consistant with 
>other server operations and also be consistant with Oddsock's comments in 
>http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/2004-December/008127.html
>
>Needing the global source is a security risk of sorts as it allows anyone 
>who has it to create any mounts they want, and I would rather not have to 
>give it out to anyone.  Tying the mountpoint more closely with the port 
>(as in my other proposal) may make this easier to implement.

this seems like a bug.  It should be checking for any mount specific option 
as well as checking against the mount-specific password... File a bug at 
trac.xiph.org if that is the case, and we will eventually fix it..

oddsock 




From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Mon Mar 28 04:56:26 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 14:56:26 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Beginner needs help.............
In-Reply-To: <20050328043900.42203.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050328043900.42203.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503281455060.25461@data.home>

Randolph Davis Hill wrote:

> [2005-03-27  16:03:20] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
> logging in at mountpoint "/ices"
> [2005-03-27  16:03:20] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
> (/ices) attempted to login with invalid or missing password

Either you're using the wrong protocol or the wrong password.

Geoff.



From oddsock at oddsock.org  Mon Mar 28 05:00:18 2005
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 23:00:18 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] URL format for Icecast2 metadata updates
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503280734550.25461@data.home>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503280345520.25461@data.home>
	<005701c53311$674c9560$1400000a@workstation>
	<Pine.LNX.4.62.0503280734550.25461@data.home>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050327225413.01c500a8@www.oddsock.org>

At 03:37 PM 3/27/2005, you wrote:
>Jason wrote:
>
>>http://IP:PORT/admin/metadata?mount=/MOUNTPOINT&mode=updinfo&song=METADATAYOUWANTTOUPDATE
>
>Wouldn't that require the admin password?  Surely there's a way of doing 
>it which only requires the source password, heck there must be since 
>streamTranscoder is sending in metadata updates nicely without needing the 
>admin pw.

all mount specific admin requests (like metadata updating) require either 
the admin password or the defined source password for that mount.  So in 
this case, you can either pass in the admin password or your source 
specific password.  In the case of StreamTranscoder and Oddcast, it uses 
the source specific mountpoint.

oddsock




From doc at krushradio.com  Mon Mar 28 05:01:47 2005
From: doc at krushradio.com (Doc NAsty)
Date: Sun, 27 Mar 2005 23:01:47 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] Digging Deep into the XML
Message-ID: <20050328050218.E534511FC0E@ns2.osuosl.org>

Hey all, I?ve been working with IceCast for the last month, I?m really
getting into it. I?ve started developing some of my own windows based
reporting tools on it.  (Will be released to the public..free of course) I
had a few questions tho..

 

1.	There is a problem on the windows version of IceCast, where if you
play a song such as Queensr?che  (with the special char for the y) it tends
to make the xsl/xml self destruct.  Is there a work around for that?
2.	Is there an actual file path or URL to all of the XML files that are
used?  Or a list to all the XML files?  Like the stats.xsl has a stats.xml.
but there is no listmounts.xml or listclients.xml  anywhere. 

 

 

One other question relating to streams.  I know we can use multiple mounts,
but is there a way to get more than one IceCast instance running on a
separate ports, Or would I have to start a whole new instance of IceCast?  

 

Thanks for all your help

 

~Doc

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From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Mon Mar 28 09:29:39 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:29:39 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Digging Deep into the XML
In-Reply-To: <20050328050218.E534511FC0E@ns2.osuosl.org>
References: <20050328050218.E534511FC0E@ns2.osuosl.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503281919360.25461@data.home>

Doc NAsty wrote:

> 2.	Is there an actual file path or URL to all of the XML files that are
> used?  Or a list to all the XML files?  Like the stats.xsl has a stats.xml.
> but there is no listmounts.xml or listclients.xml  anywhere.

AFAIK, no there isn't.

> One other question relating to streams.  I know we can use multiple mounts,
> but is there a way to get more than one IceCast instance running on a
> separate ports, Or would I have to start a whole new instance of IceCast?

You can have Icecast appear on separate ports, but it will be the same 
server.  but you can alias calls on one port to point to a different mount 
point.

As an example, I'm migrating streams which used to appear on several 
shoutcast-compatible servers onto a single Icecast2 server.  I've avoided 
having to change a bunch of m3u files and disrupt people's bookmarks by 
setting up a listen socket on each of the old ports and aliasing requests 
for "/" on that particular port to the mountpoint of the stream which used 
to live on that port.  So for example, acbradio.org:8000/cafe 
acbradio.org:7464/cafe and acbradio.org:7464/ all result in the same 
stream.

Geoff.



From skuzz at skuzz.com  Mon Mar 28 12:34:38 2005
From: skuzz at skuzz.com (Nick Dunklee)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 07:34:38 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Odd icecast hiccup problem with low-bandwidth cellular
	client
Message-ID: <0MKz1m-1DFtRz1bQ4-0001BQ@mrelay.perfora.net>

Here's a very odd question - I don't know if anybody can even begin to
answer.

I am attempting something very odd and geeky. I set up an icecast Win32
server streaming a 96kbps mp3 stream (using all the latest as of today
software, winamp, icecast2 and oddcast v3) so I can listen to it on my cell
phone while at work.

My phone does GPRS EDGE data at 131kbps-ish, just barely fast enough to keep
up.

I know 96kbps SHOULD work with this because Di.FM trance streams at 96kbps
and I can listen to that hours on end off my cell phone connection and it
plays smooth....my own connection however isn't working so good.

When my phone connects all it does is hiccup and skip and then some,
occasionally reconnecting altogether, and just not playing smoothly.

I noticed di.fm uses shoutcast, so I tried a shoutcast server instead, but
it hiccups the same.

I am convinced my problem somehow has to do with the way icecast is
prebuffering. The current limits section of my config looks like this:
    <limits>
	<clients>4</clients>
        <sources>2</sources>
        <threadpool>5</threadpool>
        <queue-size>2097120</queue-size>
        <client-timeout>120</client-timeout>
        <header-timeout>120</header-timeout>
        <source-timeout>10</source-timeout>
        <burst-on-connect>1</burst-on-connect>
        <burst-size>131072</burst-size>
    </limits>

I've tried turning off burst-on-connect, tried making it 512k, tried making
it tiny... I extended my timeouts to handle the lagginess of the celluar
packet data, without those settings being as such the server would kick the
phone off before even finishing connection.

I'm tearing my hair out here, I've tried everything, researched all over
several icecast config docs, mailing lists, google, etc., etc., etc. nobody
seems to have any problem even remotely close to mine and I really don't
know what to do...are there any undocumented configuration options for the
icecast server like tweaking how often metadata gets muxed into the mp3
stream?

I'm willing to try anything!

Oh, and it does stream to computers both within my LAN and externally across
the internet just fine, its just my cellular packet data connection giving
me issues. I'll connect to di.fm trance, it works fine, then mine, and it
hiccups, so i know it's not network congestion issues on the cellular end.

Just want to listen to my library at work! arrrr!

Thanks in advance!

Nick



From oddsock at oddsock.org  Mon Mar 28 14:41:55 2005
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 08:41:55 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] Digging Deep into the XML
In-Reply-To: <20050328050218.E534511FC0E@ns2.osuosl.org>
References: <20050328050218.E534511FC0E@ns2.osuosl.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050328082918.03921cf0@www.oddsock.org>

At 11:01 PM 3/27/2005, you wrote:
>Hey all, I?ve been working with IceCast for the last month, I?m really 
>getting into it. I?ve started developing some of my own windows based 
>reporting tools on it.  (Will be released to the public..free of course) I 
>had a few questions tho..
>

Just a suggestion, but programs developed using a cross platform UI library 
such as wxWidgets/wxWindows will have much greater appeal with the community.

>    * There is a problem on the windows version of IceCast, where if you 
> play a song such as Queensr?che  (with the special char for the y) it 
> tends to make the xsl/xml self destruct.  Is there a work around for that?
Hrm, that would seem like a bug..if you can write up a bug report at 
trac.xiph.org, that would help us track it..

>    * Is there an actual file path or URL to all of the XML files that are 
> used?  Or a list to all the XML files?  Like the stats.xsl has a 
> stats.xml.  but there is no listmounts.xml or listclients.xml  anywhere.
>

in the case of all the admin requests they can use the XSLT interface (and 
return an XSLT transform of the XML) or use the RAW interface.   Sounds 
like you are looking to use the RAW interface.  The RAW interface will send 
all responsed in XML form.  You just need to drop the .xslt extension of 
each request to use the RAW interface (i.e. /admin/listclients, 
/admin/listmounts.

>
>One other question relating to streams.  I know we can use multiple 
>mounts, but is there a way to get more than one IceCast instance running 
>on a separate ports, Or would I have to start a whole new instance of 
>IceCast?

icecast can bind to specific address as well as listen on multiple ports.

oddsock 




From convinceme at atrocions.com  Mon Mar 28 15:16:08 2005
From: convinceme at atrocions.com (convinceme at atrocions.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 10:16:08 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Linking Mount Problem
Message-ID: <C9BA12F8339C4923BE839C46896FF8E8.MAI@websouls03.futuresouls.com>

Ok thanks alot for the help with making me understand a little about mount issue but now there is
another issue... if the current encoder has mount point "/first" so offcourse the link to listen
would be http://ip:port/first
but when it falls back to backup server with mount point "/backup" now how would users
automatically switch to this mount point.. being precise what link should i give on the website for
the users to click on to listen... i hope i didnt mess things up while trying to explain my problem
:)


From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Mon Mar 28 15:24:15 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:24:15 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Linking Mount Problem
In-Reply-To: <C9BA12F8339C4923BE839C46896FF8E8.MAI@websouls03.futuresouls.com>
References: <C9BA12F8339C4923BE839C46896FF8E8.MAI@websouls03.futuresouls.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503290122100.25461@data.home>

Hi,

If your primary stream isn't up, anyone connecting to your primary mount 
will automatically be rerouted to your backup mountpoint and will be pulled 
forward if someone connects to your primary mount *and* if 
fallback-override is set to 1.  So just link to your / mount and it should 
work OK.

Geoff.


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From right_tack at katamail.com  Mon Mar 28 16:02:33 2005
From: right_tack at katamail.com (carlo)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 18:02:33 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] icecast server relay provider
Message-ID: <20050328160259.72F0F286F6C@ns3.osuosl.org>

Hi,

Does anyone know a streaming hosting provider that allow relay from ICECAST
server ?

I found a lot of providers but they all have SHOUTcast server and relay just
from  SHOUTcast server

 

Thanks in advance

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From convinceme at atrocions.com  Mon Mar 28 16:05:54 2005
From: convinceme at atrocions.com (convinceme at atrocions.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:05:54 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Linking Mount Problem
Message-ID: <755F8B1E13024CC49F02F4C811E84316.MAI@websouls03.futuresouls.com>

<mount>
<mount-name>/first</mount-name>
<fallback-mount>/backup</fallback-mount>
<fallback-override>1</fallback-override>
</mount>
so now thts how it shuld look like... the link given at the website would be 
http://ip:port/first ... nd incase if this gets disconnected it would be automatically forwared to
backup.

----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Shang
To:  icecast at xiph.org
Sent: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 01:24:15 +1000
Subject: Re: [Icecast] Linking Mount Problem

Hi,

If your primary stream isn't up, anyone connecting to your primary mount 
will automatically be rerouted to your backup mountpoint and will be pulled 
forward if someone connects to your primary mount *and* if 
fallback-override is set to 1.  So just link to your / mount and it should 
work OK.

Geoff.


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From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Mon Mar 28 16:26:43 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:26:43 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Linking Mount Problem
In-Reply-To: <755F8B1E13024CC49F02F4C811E84316.MAI@websouls03.futuresouls.com>
References: <755F8B1E13024CC49F02F4C811E84316.MAI@websouls03.futuresouls.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503290225470.25461@data.home>

convinceme at atrocions.com wrote:

> <mount>
> <mount-name>/first</mount-name>
> <fallback-mount>/backup</fallback-mount>
> <fallback-override>1</fallback-override>
> </mount>
> so now thts how it shuld look like... the link given at the website would be
> http://ip:port/first ... nd incase if this gets disconnected it would be automatically forwared to
> backup.

Well, you'd have to link to a .m3u file that pointed to that mountpoint, 
but yes that all looks good.

Geoff.



From karl at xiph.org  Mon Mar 28 16:44:25 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 28 Mar 2005 17:44:25 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Digging Deep into the XML
In-Reply-To: <20050328050218.E534511FC0E@ns2.osuosl.org>
References: <20050328050218.E534511FC0E@ns2.osuosl.org>
Message-ID: <1112028265.19333.8.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 06:01, Doc NAsty wrote:

>      1. There is a problem on the windows version of IceCast, where if
>         you play a song such as Queensr?che  (with the special char
>         for the y) it tends to make the xsl/xml self destruct.  Is
>         there a work around for that?

What do you mean by 'self destruct', if you mean that icecast dies then
that does need to be resolved, but if you are sending non-utf8 chars and
getting junk chars out on the web pages then you can't expect any
different

> One other question relating to streams.  I know we can use multiple
> mounts, but is there a way to get more than one IceCast instance
> running on a separate ports, Or would I have to start a whole new
> instance of IceCast?  

You can run as many icecasts as you want, each will need separate
port(s). Also make sure you separate log files.

karl.



From convinceme at atrocions.com  Mon Mar 28 16:49:39 2005
From: convinceme at atrocions.com (convinceme at atrocions.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 11:49:39 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Linking Mount Problem
Message-ID: <176C0E1088A34EEE004EF754877F35C9.MAI@websouls03.futuresouls.com>

"Well, you'd have to link to a .m3u file that pointed to that mountpoint, 
but yes that all looks good." what would that mean? http://ip:port/first.m3u ? or something else

----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Shang
To:  icecast at xiph.org
Sent: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 02:26:43 +1000
Subject: Re: [Icecast] Linking Mount Problem

convinceme at atrocions.com wrote:

> <mount>
> <mount-name>/first</mount-name>
> <fallback-mount>/backup</fallback-mount>
> <fallback-override>1</fallback-override>
> </mount>
> so now thts how it shuld look like... the link given at the website would be
> http://ip:port/first ... nd incase if this gets disconnected it would be automatically forwared to
> backup.

Well, you'd have to link to a .m3u file that pointed to that mountpoint, 
but yes that all looks good.

Geoff.

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From karl at xiph.org  Mon Mar 28 16:57:40 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 28 Mar 2005 17:57:40 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Linking Mount Problem
In-Reply-To: <176C0E1088A34EEE004EF754877F35C9.MAI@websouls03.futuresouls.com>
References: <176C0E1088A34EEE004EF754877F35C9.MAI@websouls03.futuresouls.com>
Message-ID: <1112029060.19333.21.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 17:49, convinceme at atrocions.com wrote:
> "Well, you'd have to link to a .m3u file that pointed to that mountpoint, 
> but yes that all looks good." what would that mean? http://ip:port/first.m3u ? or something else

/first.m3u is the reference you put in a web browser so that a playlist
is retrieved and a player is started.  The .m3u link is automatically
handled by icecast provided a stream is present.

karl.




From karl at xiph.org  Mon Mar 28 18:21:13 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 28 Mar 2005 19:21:13 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] Odd icecast hiccup problem with low-bandwidth
	cellular client
In-Reply-To: <0MKz1m-1DFl6J2UJO-0004vT@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <0MKz1m-1DFl6J2UJO-0004vT@mrelay.perfora.net>
Message-ID: <1112034073.19333.41.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Mon, 2005-03-28 at 04:39, Nick Dunklee wrote:
> Here's a very odd question - I don't know if anybody can even begin to
> answer.
> 
> I am attempting something very odd and geeky. I set up an icecast Win32
> server streaming a 96kbps mp3 stream (using all the latest as of today
> software, winamp, icecast2 and oddcast v3) so I can listen to it on my cell
> phone while at work.
> 
> My phone does GPRS EDGE data at 131kbps-ish, just barely fast enough to keep
> up.
> 
> I know 96kbps SHOULD work with this because Di.FM trance streams at 96kbps
> and I can listen to that hours on end off my cell phone connection and it
> plays smooth....my own connection however isn't working so good.

make sure that that the TCP settings on your win32 allow for that
bitrate. You could be throttling the connection.

> When my phone connects all it does is hiccup and skip and then some,
> occasionally reconnecting altogether, and just not playing smoothly.
> 
> I noticed di.fm uses shoutcast, so I tried a shoutcast server instead, but
> it hiccups the same.

this would confirm a starvation issue, either at the TCP level or just
that you cannot maintain an upload rate of 96kbit + overhead from your
icecast server.

> I am convinced my problem somehow has to do with the way icecast is
> prebuffering. The current limits section of my config looks like this:

burst will max out the link to the client but glitches in the playback
would indicate a failure to maintain bitrate.


> I'm tearing my hair out here, I've tried everything, researched all over
> several icecast config docs, mailing lists, google, etc., etc., etc. nobody
> seems to have any problem even remotely close to mine and I really don't
> know what to do...are there any undocumented configuration options for the
> icecast server like tweaking how often metadata gets muxed into the mp3
> stream?
> 
> I'm willing to try anything!
> 
> Oh, and it does stream to computers both within my LAN and externally across
> the internet just fine, its just my cellular packet data connection giving
> me issues. I'll connect to di.fm trance, it works fine, then mine, and it
> hiccups, so i know it's not network congestion issues on the cellular end.

Don't forget DI have setup their systems to have listeners connecting,
whereas I guess you have done some tweaks in icecast only. I would check
the TCP settings for your windows version, ie TCP windows scaling or TCP
send window, something like that. I can't say how exactly the phone is
configured but default win32 usually has fixed size TCP windows which
may be getting maxed out with the high latency.

karl.




From joshua at tcpc.net  Mon Mar 28 21:44:14 2005
From: joshua at tcpc.net (Joshua Foulk)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:44:14 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] libxslt problem
Message-ID: <001901c533df$8ecc1470$6402a8c0@joshaudvis>

I'm getting the following error when I attempt to install Icecast...

checking for xslt-config... /usr/bin/xslt-config
checking for xsltSaveResultToString... no
configure: error: Unable to link with libxslt (>=v1.0.18)

Does anyone know what the problem is?  Do I need to use a previous version of libxslt or maybe a later version of icecast...  I'm trying to install Icecast 2.2.0...

Thanks for your time,

Joshua Foulk
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From jaime at experienceproductions.com  Mon Mar 28 21:43:48 2005
From: jaime at experienceproductions.com (Jaime Magiera)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 16:43:48 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] libxslt problem
In-Reply-To: <001901c533df$8ecc1470$6402a8c0@joshaudvis>
References: <001901c533df$8ecc1470$6402a8c0@joshaudvis>
Message-ID: <da548621f0d6e726dee6fe2fb4e79e06@experienceproductions.com>

What OS?

If it's Linux, you'll need the _dev versions of the libraries.

I'm a icecast newbie though, so take it with a grain of salt.

On Mar 28, 2005, at 4:44 PM, Joshua Foulk wrote:

> I'm getting the following error when I attempt to install Icecast...
> ?
> checking for xslt-config... /usr/bin/xslt-config
> checking for xsltSaveResultToString... no
> configure: error: Unable to link with libxslt (>=v1.0.18)
> Does anyone know what the problem is?? Do I need to use a previous 
> version of libxslt or maybe a later version of icecast...? I'm trying 
> to install Icecast 2.2.0...
> ?
> Thanks for your time,
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From joshua at tcpc.net  Mon Mar 28 21:56:58 2005
From: joshua at tcpc.net (Joshua Foulk)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 15:56:58 -0600
Subject: [Icecast] libxslt problem
References: <001901c533df$8ecc1470$6402a8c0@joshaudvis>
	<da548621f0d6e726dee6fe2fb4e79e06@experienceproductions.com>
Message-ID: <003a01c533e1$10621a10$6402a8c0@joshaudvis>

Here is what I show as having installed as far as the libxslt is concerned...

[####@WPLLC icecast]# rpm -qa libxslt
libxslt-1.1.2-0.ximian.6.1
[####@WPLLC icecast]# rpm -qa libxslt-devel
libxslt-devel-1.1.2-0.ximian.6.1

Should I or should I not configure this as root?

Thanks,

Joshua Foulk
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jaime Magiera 
  To: Joshua Foulk 
  Cc: icecast at xiph.org 
  Sent: Monday, March 28, 2005 3:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [Icecast] libxslt problem


  What OS?

  If it's Linux, you'll need the _dev versions of the libraries. 

  I'm a icecast newbie though, so take it with a grain of salt.

  On Mar 28, 2005, at 4:44 PM, Joshua Foulk wrote:


    I'm getting the following error when I attempt to install Icecast...
     
    checking for xslt-config... /usr/bin/xslt-config
    checking for xsltSaveResultToString... no
    configure: error: Unable to link with libxslt (>=v1.0.18)
    Does anyone know what the problem is?  Do I need to use a previous version of libxslt or maybe a later version of icecast...  I'm trying to install Icecast 2.2.0...
     
    Thanks for your time,

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From convinceme at atrocions.com  Tue Mar 29 00:59:59 2005
From: convinceme at atrocions.com (convinceme at atrocions.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:59:59 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Retrieving Playing Stats
Message-ID: <BA032B890AF64C088B8C26676640DC1B.MAI@websouls03.futuresouls.com>

I got the following script from this mailing list but when i try using it doesnt really seem to
work and gives me the following error.

Warning: fopen(http://... at 64.157.204.179:9095/admin/stats): failed to open stream: Bad file
descriptor in E:\Public ftp\epakimusic\test.php on line 9
Error reading Icecast data from 64.157.204.179:9095.

So could someone please help me out with this.. or if someone has a better script that would be
just great...

<?php

$server = "64.157.204.179:9095";
$user = "login";
$passw = "pass";
$mountpoint = "/mountname";

$fp = fopen("http://$user:$passw@$server/admin/stats","r")
         or die("Error reading Icecast data from $server.");

while(!feof($fp))
{
     $data .= fread($fp, 8192);
}

fclose($fp);

// Now parse the XML output for our mountpoint
$xml_parser = xml_parser_create();
xml_parse_into_struct($xml_parser, $data, $vals, $index);
xml_parser_free($xml_parser);

$params = array();
$level = array();
foreach ($vals as $xml_elem) {
     if ($xml_elem['type'] == 'open') {
        if (array_key_exists('attributes',$xml_elem)) {
            list($level[$xml_elem['level']],$extra) = 
array_values($xml_elem['att
ributes']);
         } else {
             $level[$xml_elem['level']] = $xml_elem['tag'];
         }
     }
     if ($xml_elem['type'] == 'complete') {
         $start_level = 1;
         $php_stmt = '$params';
         while($start_level < $xml_elem['level']) {
             $php_stmt .= '[$level['.$start_level.']]';
             $start_level++;
         }
         $php_stmt .= '[$xml_elem[\'tag\']] = $xml_elem[\'value\'];';
         eval($php_stmt);
     }
}

$listeners = $params['ICESTATS'][$mountpoint]['LISTENERS'];
$currenttrack = $params['ICESTATS'][$mountpoint]['TITLE'];

echo "$listeners listeners are currently connected.";
echo "<br />";
echo "Currently playing: $currenttrack";

?>


From lpmusix at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 01:21:46 2005
From: lpmusix at gmail.com (Daniel Ballenger)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:21:46 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] Retrieving Playing Stats
In-Reply-To: <BA032B890AF64C088B8C26676640DC1B.MAI@websouls03.futuresouls.com>
References: <BA032B890AF64C088B8C26676640DC1B.MAI@websouls03.futuresouls.com>
Message-ID: <56755a705032817211dce1db9@mail.gmail.com>

You might not have opening files over http enabled(/allowed) in your
php config.  I'd check that out first, that's probably what's wrong
:).
-Daniel

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:59:59 -0500, convinceme at atrocions.com
<convinceme at atrocions.com> wrote:
> I got the following script from this mailing list but when i try using it doesnt really seem to
> work and gives me the following error.
> 
> Warning: fopen(http://... at 64.157.204.179:9095/admin/stats): failed to open stream: Bad file
> descriptor in E:\Public ftp\epakimusic\test.php on line 9
> Error reading Icecast data from 64.157.204.179:9095.
> 
> So could someone please help me out with this.. or if someone has a better script that would be
> just great...
> 
> <?php
> 
> $server = "64.157.204.179:9095";
> $user = "login";
> $passw = "pass";
> $mountpoint = "/mountname";
> 
> $fp = fopen("http://$user:$passw@$server/admin/stats","r")
>          or die("Error reading Icecast data from $server.");
> 
> while(!feof($fp))
> {
>      $data .= fread($fp, 8192);
> }
> 
> fclose($fp);
> 
> // Now parse the XML output for our mountpoint
> $xml_parser = xml_parser_create();
> xml_parse_into_struct($xml_parser, $data, $vals, $index);
> xml_parser_free($xml_parser);
> 
> $params = array();
> $level = array();
> foreach ($vals as $xml_elem) {
>      if ($xml_elem['type'] == 'open') {
>         if (array_key_exists('attributes',$xml_elem)) {
>             list($level[$xml_elem['level']],$extra) =
> array_values($xml_elem['att
> ributes']);
>          } else {
>              $level[$xml_elem['level']] = $xml_elem['tag'];
>          }
>      }
>      if ($xml_elem['type'] == 'complete') {
>          $start_level = 1;
>          $php_stmt = '$params';
>          while($start_level < $xml_elem['level']) {
>              $php_stmt .= '[$level['.$start_level.']]';
>              $start_level++;
>          }
>          $php_stmt .= '[$xml_elem[\'tag\']] = $xml_elem[\'value\'];';
>          eval($php_stmt);
>      }
> }
> 
> $listeners = $params['ICESTATS'][$mountpoint]['LISTENERS'];
> $currenttrack = $params['ICESTATS'][$mountpoint]['TITLE'];
> 
> echo "$listeners listeners are currently connected.";
> echo "<br />";
> echo "Currently playing: $currenttrack";
> 
> ?>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
> 
> 
>


From convinceme at atrocions.com  Tue Mar 29 02:54:59 2005
From: convinceme at atrocions.com (convinceme at atrocions.com)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 21:54:59 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] Retrieving Playing Stats
Message-ID: <0EA1650B88394EF8912D76A5593C96A1.MAI@websouls03.futuresouls.com>

ok well i uploaded at a webhosting and no errors are there but it aint displaying any stats....
listeners are currently connected.
Currently playing: 
nothing is displayed with it... wht could possibly be wrong now?
must be some settings of the encoder or icecast.. btw i am using winamp and sam plugin also tried
it with sam broadcaster.. the one with encoder nd player ...

----- Original Message -----
From: Daniel Ballenger
To:  "convinceme at atrocions.com" <convinceme at atrocions.com>
Cc:  icecast at xiph.org
Sent: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 17:21:46 -0800
Subject: Re: [Icecast] Retrieving Playing Stats

You might not have opening files over http enabled(/allowed) in your
php config.  I'd check that out first, that's probably what's wrong
:).
-Daniel

On Mon, 28 Mar 2005 19:59:59 -0500, convinceme at atrocions.com
<convinceme at atrocions.com> wrote:
> I got the following script from this mailing list but when i try using it doesnt really seem to
> work and gives me the following error.
> 
> Warning: fopen(http://... at 64.157.204.179:9095/admin/stats): failed to open stream: Bad file
> descriptor in E:\Public ftp\epakimusic\test.php on line 9
> Error reading Icecast data from 64.157.204.179:9095.
> 
> So could someone please help me out with this.. or if someone has a better script that would be
> just great...
> 
> <?php
> 
> $server = "64.157.204.179:9095";
> $user = "login";
> $passw = "pass";
> $mountpoint = "/mountname";
> 
> $fp = fopen("http://$user:$passw@$server/admin/stats","r")
>          or die("Error reading Icecast data from $server.");
> 
> while(!feof($fp))
> {
>      $data .= fread($fp, 8192);
> }
> 
> fclose($fp);
> 
> // Now parse the XML output for our mountpoint
> $xml_parser = xml_parser_create();
> xml_parse_into_struct($xml_parser, $data, $vals, $index);
> xml_parser_free($xml_parser);
> 
> $params = array();
> $level = array();
> foreach ($vals as $xml_elem) {
>      if ($xml_elem['type'] == 'open') {
>         if (array_key_exists('attributes',$xml_elem)) {
>             list($level[$xml_elem['level']],$extra) =
> array_values($xml_elem['att
> ributes']);
>          } else {
>              $level[$xml_elem['level']] = $xml_elem['tag'];
>          }
>      }
>      if ($xml_elem['type'] == 'complete') {
>          $start_level = 1;
>          $php_stmt = '$params';
>          while($start_level < $xml_elem['level']) {
>              $php_stmt .= '[$level['.$start_level.']]';
>              $start_level++;
>          }
>          $php_stmt .= '[$xml_elem[\'tag\']] = $xml_elem[\'value\'];';
>          eval($php_stmt);
>      }
> }
> 
> $listeners = $params['ICESTATS'][$mountpoint]['LISTENERS'];
> $currenttrack = $params['ICESTATS'][$mountpoint]['TITLE'];
> 
> echo "$listeners listeners are currently connected.";
> echo "<br />";
> echo "Currently playing: $currenttrack";
> 
> ?>
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
> 
> 
>


From jakarhill at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 29 06:55:28 2005
From: jakarhill at yahoo.com (Randolph Davis Hill)
Date: Mon, 28 Mar 2005 22:55:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [Icecast] From the tyro(Beginner): Mount problem.
Message-ID: <20050329065528.17673.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>

I am still having problems getting a basic mount to work.

Logfile opened
Playing /radio-oldschoolmusiz/Track01.mp3
Error during send: Mount failed on http://huahin:8000/ices, error:
Socket error

Is there any issue if icecast and ices is on the same system ?



//Randy


From gus at adydas.com  Tue Mar 29 08:09:58 2005
From: gus at adydas.com (Adydas)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 00:09:58 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] Nicecast 
Message-ID: <BE6E4D56.15555%gus@adydas.com>

So I just setup my Icecast server on my unix box but I am having trouble
with Nicecast in trying to send a stream to it. Nicecast connects to the
server fine when I leave the mountpoint setting blank but when I put
something in there, it fails to login. Regardless, neither alternative
produces a working stream. Although, when I don?t enter a mountpoint and the
broadcast is playing, my icecast server status pages will recognize that
there is a connecton but it will have no name and will not work. Now, is
this strange? What am I doing wrong? I know it?s probably something really
small that I have overlooked. Thanks in advance.

Adydas
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From karl at xiph.org  Tue Mar 29 09:31:46 2005
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 29 Mar 2005 10:31:46 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] From the tyro(Beginner): Mount problem.
In-Reply-To: <20050329065528.17673.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>
References: <20050329065528.17673.qmail@web14603.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1112088705.19693.7.camel@bogus.hackers.club>

On Tue, 2005-03-29 at 07:55, Randolph Davis Hill wrote:
> I am still having problems getting a basic mount to work.
> 
> Logfile opened
> Playing /radio-oldschoolmusiz/Track01.mp3
> Error during send: Mount failed on http://huahin:8000/ices, error:
> Socket error
> 
> Is there any issue if icecast and ices is on the same system ?

not AFAIK, If you are absolutely sure that the protocol is correct and
the password matches then send me details about the systems used,
configs, a system call trace and network snapshot of ices trying to
connect.  Don't send big emails to all users on the ML though.

karl.




From linickx at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 12:25:50 2005
From: linickx at gmail.com (NICK)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:25:50 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] ices question ? (gui)
Message-ID: <c5131e09050329042568ebc8b5@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,
looking @ icecast.org I hope this is the right list  - Apologies if not.

Does anyone have (know of) a gui for ices , I've got everything
working (i.e. icescast & ices) I'm just bored of manipulating my text
file, A web (php) gui would be much better.

Thanks In Advance,
Nick



-- 
When you do things right, no one can be sure if you did anything at all.


From rojo at nocrew.org  Tue Mar 29 14:47:52 2005
From: rojo at nocrew.org (Rolf Johansson)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 16:47:52 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Icecast] Stalled response from icecast to ices
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0503291626310.19853-100000@five>

Icecast 1.3.12
IceS 0.3
Linshout 2.0/2.1 tried
Linux 2.6.7
VIA C3 architechure

Hi. I have found a very interesting problem with the above setup. Icecast
starts up fine, but when I try to connect with iceS I get no response.

I've straced iceS and the last word comes from icecast, but waiting for
more. Icecast mentions nothing during this process, but show a quick
connect/lost connection when I Ctrl-C quit iceS.

I've tried different protocols (xaudiocast and icy headers) with iceS, and
changing the server_name in icecast from dynamic to the local resolved
hostname, no changes.

Icecast ran fine with a 2.4 kernel and non-VIA C3 optimizations, the only
problem I had was that a <defunct> icecast thread was added every time
iceS provided a new file to play.

---
icecast:
---

Starting thread engine...
[29/Mar/2005:16:27:43] Icecast Version 1.3.12 Starting..
[29/Mar/2005:16:27:43] Starting Admin Console Thread...
-> [29/Mar/2005:16:27:43] Starting main connection handler...
-> [29/Mar/2005:16:27:43] Dynamic server name, using the local ip
   [192.168.77.2]
-> [29/Mar/2005:16:27:43] Listening on port 8000...
-> [29/Mar/2005:16:27:43] Using '192.168.77.2' as servername...
-> [29/Mar/2005:16:27:43] Server limits: 10 clients, 10 clients per
   source, 10 sources, 10 admins
-> [29/Mar/2005:16:27:43] WWW Admin interface accessible at
   http://192.168.77.2:8000/admin
-> [29/Mar/2005:16:27:43] Starting Calender Thread...
-> [29/Mar/2005:16:27:43] Starting UDP handler thread...
-> [29/Mar/2005:16:27:43] Starting relay connector thread...
->
-> [29/Mar/2005:16:27:43] [Bandwidth: 0.000000MB/s] [Sources: 0]
   [Clients: 0] [Admins: 1] [Uptime: 1 seconds]

---
iceS:
---

ices -b 128 -D /tmp -F /home/rojo/playlist.txt -m /ices -n 'Radio ITX' -P
'xxx' -R -r -s -S builtin -v -N 2

Logfile opened
DEBUG: Sending following information to libshout:
DEBUG: Stream: 0
DEBUG: Host: 127.0.0.1:8000 (protocol: xaudiocast)
DEBUG: Mount: /ices, Password: xxx
DEBUG: Name: Radio ITX  URL: http://www.icecast.org/
DEBUG: Genre: Default genre     Desc: Default description
DEBUG: Bitrate: 128     Public: 0
DEBUG: Dump file: (null)
DEBUG: Initializing playlist handler...
DEBUG: Initializing builting playlist handler...
DEBUG: Randomizing playlist...
DEBUG: Using LAME version 3.96.1
DEBUG: Builtin playlist handler serving:
/mnt/five/hdc/incoming/audio/Daft_Punk-Human_After_All-Retail-2005-ToF/01-daft_punk-human_after_all.mp3
DEBUG: Filename cleaned up from
[/mnt/five/hdc/incoming/audio/Daft_Punk-Human_After_All-Retail-2005-ToF/01-daft_punk-human_after_all.mp3]
to [01-daft_punk-human_after_all]
DEBUG: ID3v1: Title: human after all
DEBUG: ID3v1: Artist: Daft Punk
DEBUG: Trimmed file to 7668087 bytes
DEBUG: MPEG-1 layer III, 192 kbps, 44100 Hz, j-stereo
DEBUG: Ext: 0   Mode_Ext: 2     Copyright: 0    Original: 1
DEBUG: Error Protection: 0      Emphasis: 0     Padding: 0
Playing
/mnt/five/hdc/incoming/audio/Daft_Punk-Human_After_All-Retail-2005-ToF/01-daft_punk-human_after_all.mp3
DEBUG: Updated metadata on /ices to: Daft Punk - human after all
DEBUG: Grew output buffer to 59040 bytes

---
Icecast says nothing at this stage, and iceS stands still (no process
active). I press Ctrl-C in iceS, and icecast replies:
---

-> [29/Mar/2005:16:40:41] Accepted encoder on mountpoint /ices from two.
   1 sources connected
-> [29/Mar/2005:16:40:41] Lost connection to source on mount /ices,
   waiting 30 seconds for timeout

---
Strace on iceS (end part):
---

socket(PF_INET, SOCK_STREAM, IPPROTO_TCP) = 7
connect(7, {sa_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(8000),
sin_addr=inet_addr("127.0.0.1")}, 16) = 0
send(7, "SOURCE xxx /ices\nx-audioc"..., 219, 0) = 219
recv(7, "OK\r\n", 1024, 0)              = 4
recv(7,

and there is stands still.

Any ideas on what can be wrong? Suggestions for further debugging?

/Rolf



From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Tue Mar 29 15:34:45 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 01:34:45 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Stalled response from icecast to ices
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0503291626310.19853-100000@five>
References: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0503291626310.19853-100000@five>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503300131540.28678@data.home>

Hi:

I'm going to get in before anyone else does.

Icecast 1.x is deprecated and not supported by any of its developers.  You 
may find a few on this list who are still using it who can provide tips, 
but the fact that kernel versions affected its behaviour sugggests it's a 
more complex problem and none of the Icecast developers support or even 
care about Icecast 1.x anymore.

Unless you've got a specific reason to still be using it, and please let us 
know if you do, we strongly recommend upgrading to Icecast 2.x.  Upgrading 
to Ices 0.4 is also probably a good idea.

Geoff.


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From chuckt at tellechea.org  Tue Mar 29 17:08:44 2005
From: chuckt at tellechea.org (Chuck Tellechea)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:08:44 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] ices question ? (gui)
In-Reply-To: <c5131e09050329042568ebc8b5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c5131e09050329042568ebc8b5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c81f21584798ded6d80ef238160116c3@tellechea.org>

Nick,

Hehe...

I was going to start coding a perl cgi webapp to do this for a customer 
in the next week or so. The need for such seems pretty obvious :)
I'm going to create some templates with HTML::Template and drive it 
with CGI::Application. Once I have something done I'll post something 
here.


On Mar 29, 2005, at 7:25 AM, [NICK] wrote:

> Hi all,
> looking @ icecast.org I hope this is the right list  - Apologies if 
> not.
>
> Does anyone have (know of) a gui for ices , I've got everything
> working (i.e. icescast & ices) I'm just bored of manipulating my text
> file, A web (php) gui would be much better.
>
> Thanks In Advance,
> Nick
>
>
>
> -- 
> When you do things right, no one can be sure if you did anything at 
> all.
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>
--
"Living is easy with eyes closed;
         misunderstanding all you see...."
                 John Lennon

         Chuck Tellechea



From linickx at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 18:15:08 2005
From: linickx at gmail.com (NICK)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 19:15:08 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] ices question ? (gui)
In-Reply-To: <c81f21584798ded6d80ef238160116c3@tellechea.org>
References: <c5131e09050329042568ebc8b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<c81f21584798ded6d80ef238160116c3@tellechea.org>
Message-ID: <c5131e090503291015f693184@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chuck,
Thanks, I'd be very interested in seeing it.

In light of not being able to find what I wanted on google, I've
started my own (in PHP), I guess it could be beneficial to share. ;-)

Let me know if you're interested,
Kind Regards,
Nick


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:08:44 -0500, Chuck Tellechea
<chuckt at tellechea.org> wrote:
> Nick,
> 
> Hehe...
> 
> I was going to start coding a perl cgi webapp to do this for a customer
> in the next week or so. The need for such seems pretty obvious :)
> I'm going to create some templates with HTML::Template and drive it
> with CGI::Application. Once I have something done I'll post something
> here.
> 
> 
> On Mar 29, 2005, at 7:25 AM, [NICK] wrote:
> 
> > Hi all,
> > looking @ icecast.org I hope this is the right list  - Apologies if
> > not.
> >
> > Does anyone have (know of) a gui for ices , I've got everything
> > working (i.e. icescast & ices) I'm just bored of manipulating my text
> > file, A web (php) gui would be much better.
> >
> > Thanks In Advance,
> > Nick
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > When you do things right, no one can be sure if you did anything at
> > all.
> > _______________________________________________
> > Icecast mailing list
> > Icecast at xiph.org
> > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
> >
> --
> "Living is easy with eyes closed;
>          misunderstanding all you see...."
>                  John Lennon
> 
>          Chuck Tellechea
> 
> 


-- 
When you do things right, no one can be sure if you did anything at all.


From chuckt at tellechea.org  Tue Mar 29 18:30:08 2005
From: chuckt at tellechea.org (Chuck Tellechea)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:30:08 -0500
Subject: [Icecast] ices question ? (gui)
In-Reply-To: <c5131e090503291015f693184@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c5131e09050329042568ebc8b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<c81f21584798ded6d80ef238160116c3@tellechea.org>
	<c5131e090503291015f693184@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1cdd270f38bb962858842fc5e2eb29c0@tellechea.org>


Nick,

Cool. Let's compare requirements/features once we've had a start. If we 
end up using a database, we could certainly make the code consistent 
with a schema and implementation. I'm partial to postrgresql. You?

On Mar 29, 2005, at 1:15 PM, [NICK] wrote:

> Hi Chuck,
> Thanks, I'd be very interested in seeing it.
>
> In light of not being able to find what I wanted on google, I've
> started my own (in PHP), I guess it could be beneficial to share. ;-)
>
> Let me know if you're interested,
> Kind Regards,
> Nick
>
>
> On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:08:44 -0500, Chuck Tellechea
> <chuckt at tellechea.org> wrote:
>> Nick,
>>
>> Hehe...
>>
>> I was going to start coding a perl cgi webapp to do this for a 
>> customer
>> in the next week or so. The need for such seems pretty obvious :)
>> I'm going to create some templates with HTML::Template and drive it
>> with CGI::Application. Once I have something done I'll post something
>> here.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2005, at 7:25 AM, [NICK] wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>> looking @ icecast.org I hope this is the right list  - Apologies if
>>> not.
>>>
>>> Does anyone have (know of) a gui for ices , I've got everything
>>> working (i.e. icescast & ices) I'm just bored of manipulating my text
>>> file, A web (php) gui would be much better.
>>>
>>> Thanks In Advance,
>>> Nick
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> When you do things right, no one can be sure if you did anything at
>>> all.
>>> _______________________________________________
>>> Icecast mailing list
>>> Icecast at xiph.org
>>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
>>>
>> --
>> "Living is easy with eyes closed;
>>          misunderstanding all you see...."
>>                  John Lennon
>>
>>          Chuck Tellechea
>>
>>
>
>
> -- 
> When you do things right, no one can be sure if you did anything at 
> all.
>
--
"Living is easy with eyes closed;
         misunderstanding all you see...."
                 John Lennon

         Chuck Tellechea



From peteremcc at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 20:04:56 2005
From: peteremcc at gmail.com (Peter McCaffrey)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:04:56 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [Icecast] Updating my address book
Message-ID: <18575529.1112126696866.JavaMail.Administrator@win01>

NB: This is real not spam... looks to be quite good :)

Cya

Peter



Hi 

I am using a new service to keep in contact with my friends. Use the link below to become part of my address book. In the future I will be able to see any changes in your contact details. 

http://www.bebo.com/fr1/12574050a478627078b188344281c844017339d70 

Thanks. 

Peter



From peteremcc at gmail.com  Tue Mar 29 20:19:56 2005
From: peteremcc at gmail.com (Peter McCaffrey)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 08:19:56 +1200
Subject: [Icecast] Updating my address book
In-Reply-To: <18575529.1112126696866.JavaMail.Administrator@win01>
References: <18575529.1112126696866.JavaMail.Administrator@win01>
Message-ID: <8f8800505032912196666a22@mail.gmail.com>

sorry guys,

didn't mean to send this

wrong address.

peter

On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 21:04:56 +0100 (BST), Peter McCaffrey
<peteremcc at gmail.com> wrote:
> NB: This is real not spam... looks to be quite good :)
> 
> Cya
> 
> Peter
> 
> Hi
> 
> I am using a new service to keep in contact with my friends. Use the link below to become part of my address book. In the future I will be able to see any changes in your contact details.
> 
> http://www.bebo.com/fr1/12574050a478627078b188344281c844017339d70
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> Peter
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Icecast mailing list
> Icecast at xiph.org
> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
> 


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From ronblok at wxs.nl  Tue Mar 29 21:57:23 2005
From: ronblok at wxs.nl (Ron Blok)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:57:23 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Advise on upgrade.
In-Reply-To: <421F5244.2060208@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <HEEEKMFOKCBDNFDLFLICOELECMAA.ronblok@wxs.nl>

I am running two icecast servers ..... one  runs  icecast 2.2 and the other
2.1.
What is the best approach to upgrade the 2.1.0 to 2.2.0 without loosing the
configuration or worse .....

Thanks in advance !

Ron

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From geoff at hitsandpieces.net  Wed Mar 30 02:39:33 2005
From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 12:39:33 +1000
Subject: [Icecast] Advise on upgrade.
In-Reply-To: <HEEEKMFOKCBDNFDLFLICOELECMAA.ronblok@wxs.nl>
References: <HEEEKMFOKCBDNFDLFLICOELECMAA.ronblok@wxs.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503301236360.28678@data.home>

Hi,

If you have the configuration in the place that "make install" or your 
package system places it, simply move it out of the way before installing 
and copy it back afterwoods.  Icecast 2.2 should work fine with your 2.1 
config, though there are some items available in 2.2 that weren't in 2.1. 
The *.xml.dist files in the conf dir of the source tree demonstrate these, 
though you're probably already familiar with the differences since you 
already run 2.2 on another server.

Geoff.


-- 
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Phone: +61-418-96-5590
MSN: geoff at acbradio.org

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From desol at telus.net  Wed Mar 30 07:15:36 2005
From: desol at telus.net (Darrick Uwins)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 00:15:36 -0700
Subject: [Icecast] Newby question
Message-ID: <AHEEIPHDFBBALFMHNCKFEEDICHAA.desol@telus.net>



 Hello!

 I'm trying to get icecast working in windows with ezstream...i know it
should be easy enough to figure out lol..i'm new to icecast. i get an error
from ezstream...cannot open playlist.m3u...I've made a text file called
playlist.m3u and put it in the web directory of icecast...is this the right
location? what do i have to put into the playlist to get it up and running?

Thank you

D.

 "You know, in a lot of ways, your typical kid that only gets music through
the radio is a lot more open-minded than some of the people that claim to be
a hardcore, independent music person."



From arc at Xiph.org  Wed Mar 30 07:18:52 2005
From: arc at Xiph.org (Arc)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:18:52 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] Newby question
In-Reply-To: <AHEEIPHDFBBALFMHNCKFEEDICHAA.desol@telus.net>
References: <AHEEIPHDFBBALFMHNCKFEEDICHAA.desol@telus.net>
Message-ID: <20050330071852.GW1985@xiph.org>

On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 12:15:36AM -0700, Darrick Uwins wrote:
> from ezstream...cannot open playlist.m3u...I've made a text file called
> playlist.m3u and put it in the web directory of icecast...is this the right
> location? what do i have to put into the playlist to get it up and running?

The .m3u file is automatically generated, you don't need to do anything.  
Just point your listeners at your stream's url with .m3u on the end.  
IE, if your server is at myhost.com on port 8000 and your mountpoint is 
/mystream.ogg then point your listeners to:
 http://myhost.com:8000/mystream.ogg.m3u

Easy as cake. :-)  

-- 

Diversity is the Fuel of Evolution, 
 Conformity it's Starvation.
Be Radical.  Be New.  Be Different. 
Feed Evolution with Everything You Are.


From arc at Xiph.org  Wed Mar 30 07:40:21 2005
From: arc at Xiph.org (Arc)
Date: Tue, 29 Mar 2005 23:40:21 -0800
Subject: [Icecast] Newby question
In-Reply-To: <AHEEIPHDFBBALFMHNCKFCEDJCHAA.desol@telus.net>
References: <20050330071852.GW1985@xiph.org>
	<AHEEIPHDFBBALFMHNCKFCEDJCHAA.desol@telus.net>
Message-ID: <20050330074021.GX1985@xiph.org>

On Wed, Mar 30, 2005 at 12:34:07AM -0700, Darrick Uwins wrote:
> Thanks for replying Arc. The main problem is that...i had someone test the
> link b4...it worked for me...but they got a download prompt? So she just
> downloaded it..
> That made me think that i needed to use ezstream to feed icecast...then
> ezstream could'nt find the playlist... will icecast stream by itself? Do i
> need to use ezstream?

If your friend accessed the .m3u and got a download link, then per local 
system doesn't know what to do with a .m3u file.  Per should save it to 
disk and open it as a playlist in a media player.

ezstream is a source client.  You only need it if you intend on 
streaming a playlist with no live content.  This has nothing to do with 
how a .m3u file is handled by the end user.

Now, if someone downloads your stream without a .m3u on the end they 
will get a download prompt.  That is normal.  The fix is to stop it and 
add a .m3u to the end of the Icecast filename on the receive side.  That 
should take care of it :-)

-- 

Diversity is the Fuel of Evolution, 
 Conformity it's Starvation.
Be Radical.  Be New.  Be Different. 
Feed Evolution with Everything You Are.


From linickx at gmail.com  Wed Mar 30 09:03:36 2005
From: linickx at gmail.com (NICK)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 10:03:36 +0100
Subject: [Icecast] ices question ? (gui)
In-Reply-To: <1cdd270f38bb962858842fc5e2eb29c0@tellechea.org>
References: <c5131e09050329042568ebc8b5@mail.gmail.com>
	<c81f21584798ded6d80ef238160116c3@tellechea.org>
	<c5131e090503291015f693184@mail.gmail.com>
	<1cdd270f38bb962858842fc5e2eb29c0@tellechea.org>
Message-ID: <c5131e0905033001031b0cdb53@mail.gmail.com>

I'll contact U off list.

rgds
Nick


On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 13:30:08 -0500, Chuck Tellechea
<chuckt at tellechea.org> wrote:
> 
> Nick,
> 
> Cool. Let's compare requirements/features once we've had a start. If we
> end up using a database, we could certainly make the code consistent
> with a schema and implementation. I'm partial to postrgresql. You?
> 
> On Mar 29, 2005, at 1:15 PM, [NICK] wrote:
> 
> > Hi Chuck,
> > Thanks, I'd be very interested in seeing it.
> >
> > In light of not being able to find what I wanted on google, I've
> > started my own (in PHP), I guess it could be beneficial to share. ;-)
> >
> > Let me know if you're interested,
> > Kind Regards,
> > Nick
> >
> >
> > On Tue, 29 Mar 2005 12:08:44 -0500, Chuck Tellechea
> > <chuckt at tellechea.org> wrote:
> >> Nick,
> >>
> >> Hehe...
> >>
> >> I was going to start coding a perl cgi webapp to do this for a
> >> customer
> >> in the next week or so. The need for such seems pretty obvious :)
> >> I'm going to create some templates with HTML::Template and drive it
> >> with CGI::Application. Once I have something done I'll post something
> >> here.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mar 29, 2005, at 7:25 AM, [NICK] wrote:
> >>
> >>> Hi all,
> >>> looking @ icecast.org I hope this is the right list  - Apologies if
> >>> not.
> >>>
> >>> Does anyone have (know of) a gui for ices , I've got everything
> >>> working (i.e. icescast & ices) I'm just bored of manipulating my text
> >>> file, A web (php) gui would be much better.
> >>>
> >>> Thanks In Advance,
> >>> Nick
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> When you do things right, no one can be sure if you did anything at
> >>> all.
> >>> _______________________________________________
> >>> Icecast mailing list
> >>> Icecast at xiph.org
> >>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast
> >>>
> >> --
> >> "Living is easy with eyes closed;
> >>          misunderstanding all you see...."
> >>                  John Lennon
> >>
> >>          Chuck Tellechea
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > When you do things right, no one can be sure if you did anything at
> > all.
> >
> --
> "Living is easy with eyes closed;
>          misunderstanding all you see...."
>                  John Lennon
> 
>          Chuck Tellechea
> 
> 


-- 
When you do things right, no one can be sure if you did anything at all.


From m.nasedkin.perm at mail.ru  Wed Mar 30 09:43:37 2005
From: m.nasedkin.perm at mail.ru (Mihail Nasedkin)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 15:43:37 +0600
Subject: [Icecast] input from tuner
Message-ID: <3228310187.20050330154337@mail.ru>

Hello,

I want to streaming audio from tuner to Isecast server.

Must I have a sound card?

-- 
Regards,
 Mihail Nasedkin
 mailto:m.nasedkin.perm at mail.ru



From rojo at nocrew.org  Wed Mar 30 18:20:46 2005
From: rojo at nocrew.org (Rolf Johansson)
Date: Wed, 30 Mar 2005 20:20:46 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [Icecast] Stalled response from icecast to ices
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.62.0503300131540.28678@data.home>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0503302018450.19853-100000@five>

On Wed, 30 Mar 2005, Geoff Shang wrote:

> Icecast 1.x is deprecated and not supported by any of its developers.  You
> may find a few on this list who are still using it who can provide tips,
> but the fact that kernel versions affected its behaviour sugggests it's a
> more complex problem and none of the Icecast developers support or even
> care about Icecast 1.x anymore.

Yes, I know. I just wanted to try, even if there was a minimal chance of
getting a positive answer. :)

I've had problems with Icecast 2.x before, like sudden crashes and
instability on my systems. However, I'll try the latest version and see
for myself if it's still a problem.

/Rolf



From m.nasedkin.perm at mail.ru  Thu Mar 31 01:57:19 2005
From: m.nasedkin.perm at mail.ru (Mihail Nasedkin)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 07:57:19 +0600
Subject: [Icecast] input from tuner
In-Reply-To: <200503301724.56310.andy@earthsong.free-online.co.uk>
References: <3228310187.20050330154337@mail.ru>
	<200503301724.56310.andy@earthsong.free-online.co.uk>
Message-ID: <99644046.20050331075719@mail.ru>

Thank you Andy for answer 30 Mar 2005 22:24:55:

AB> On Wednesday 30 Mar 2005 10:43, Mihail Nasedkin wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I want to streaming audio from tuner to Isecast server.
>>
>> Must I have a sound card?

AB> not if you use an onboard tuner card - otherwise you do (run an audio lead
AB> from a separate tuner to the line-in of your sound card.) darkice or ices
AB> should do for a streaming client.

-- 
Regards,
 Mihail Nasedkin                          mailto:m.nasedkin.perm at mail.ru



From fb at codicelibero.net  Thu Mar 31 08:16:11 2005
From: fb at codicelibero.net (Francesco Baldini)
Date: Thu, 31 Mar 2005 10:16:11 +0200
Subject: [Icecast] Nicecast
In-Reply-To: <BE6E4D56.15555%gus@adydas.com>
References: <BE6E4D56.15555%gus@adydas.com>
Message-ID: <20050331081611.GA3934@localhost.localdomain>

[Tue, Mar 29, 2005 at 12:09:58AM -0800] - Adydas scrive:
> So I just setup my Icecast server on my unix box but I am having trouble
> with Nicecast in trying to send a stream to it. Nicecast connects to the
> server fine when I leave the mountpoint setting blank but when I put
> something in there, it fails to login. Regardless, neither alternative
> produces a working stream. Although, when I don?t enter a mountpoint and the
> broadcast is playing, my icecast server status pages will recognize that
> there is a connecton but it will have no name and will not work. Now, is
> this strange? What am I doing wrong? I know it?s probably something really
> small that I have overlooked. Thanks in advance.

are you sure connection is ok?
try following this tutorial:
http://www.soundscreen.com/streaming/webcast/