From geoff at hitsandpieces.net Wed Jun 1 06:12:56 2005 From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 16:12:56 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] Complete set of tools for Icecast In-Reply-To: <1117488789.5703.82.camel@vavahady> References: <429B6EDC.2050405@hostricity.com> <1117488789.5703.82.camel@vavahady> Message-ID: Rakotomandimby (R12y) Mihamina wrote: > Ices2 cant encode On the fly to ogg from the line-in. huh? Of course it can. Always has, IIRC. Geoff. From mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr Wed Jun 1 09:55:20 2005 From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at etu.univ-orleans.fr (Rakotomandimby (R12y) Mihamina) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 11:55:20 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Re: Complete set of tools for Icecast References: <429B6EDC.2050405@hostricity.com> <1117488789.5703.82.camel@vavahady> Message-ID: ( Wed, 01 Jun 2005 16:12:56 +1000 ) Geoff Shang : >> Ices2 cant encode On the fly to ogg from the line-in. > huh? Of course it can. Sorry. Typo error. -- Mirroir de logiciels libres http://www.etud-orleans.fr D?veloppement de logiciels libres http://aspo.rktmb.org/activites/developpement Infogerance de serveur d?di? http://aspo.rktmb.org/activites/infogerance (En louant les services de l'ASPO vous luttez contre la fracture numerique) From jbebel at ncsu.edu Wed Jun 1 13:51:18 2005 From: jbebel at ncsu.edu (Joel Ebel) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 09:51:18 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast locks with WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files Message-ID: <429DBD56.5050101@ncsu.edu> My icecast server has been running happily for months now, but just yesterday it locked up, chewing up all the cpu time it could find, and not allowing connections. The last snippet of the error log shows this: [2005-06-01 09:36:13] WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files [2005-06-01 09:36:15] WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files [2005-06-01 09:36:18] WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files [2005-06-01 09:36:19] WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files [2005-06-01 09:36:28] WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files [2005-06-01 09:36:43] WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files [2005-06-01 09:36:45] WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files [2005-06-01 09:37:13] WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files [2005-06-01 09:37:15] WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files [2005-06-01 09:37:43] WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files [2005-06-01 09:37:45] WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files [2005-06-01 09:37:53] INFO format-mp3/mp3_get_no_meta End of stream /outofservicehq [2005-06-01 09:37:53] INFO source/source_shutdown Source "/outofservicehq" exiting [2005-06-01 09:37:53] INFO format-mp3/mp3_get_no_meta End of stream /outofservicemq [2005-06-01 09:37:53] INFO source/source_shutdown Source "/outofservicemq" exiting [2005-06-01 09:38:56] INFO sighandler/_sig_die Caught signal 15, shutting down... [2005-06-01 09:39:58] INFO sighandler/_sig_die Caught signal 15, shutting down... [2005-06-01 09:40:10] INFO sighandler/_sig_die Caught signal 15, shutting down... The error had repeated itself for almost 24 hours before I noticed it. Obviously it had too many files open, but I can't account for how. The logs before the repeating errors look completely normal. I tried shutting down the streams, which didn't fix it, so I sent it some kills, and it didn't die. I had to kill -9 it. Once it restarted it was fine. Is there some leak preventing icecast from running indefinitely? Or will I just need to restart it every few months when this happens again? Has anyone else seen this happen? Joel From karl at xiph.org Wed Jun 1 14:04:42 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 01 Jun 2005 15:04:42 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast locks with WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files In-Reply-To: <429DBD56.5050101@ncsu.edu> References: <429DBD56.5050101@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: <1117634680.21673.17.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Wed, 2005-06-01 at 14:51, Joel Ebel wrote: > My icecast server has been running happily for months now, but just > yesterday it locked up, chewing up all the cpu time it could find, and > not allowing connections. The last snippet of the error log shows this: > > [2005-06-01 09:36:13] WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() > failed with error 24: Too many open files > [2005-06-01 09:36:15] WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() > failed with error 24: Too many open files ... > The error had repeated itself for almost 24 hours before I noticed it. > Obviously it had too many files open, but I can't account for how. The > logs before the repeating errors look completely normal. I tried > shutting down the streams, which didn't fix it, so I sent it some kills, > and it didn't die. I had to kill -9 it. Once it restarted it was fine. > Is there some leak preventing icecast from running indefinitely? Or > will I just need to restart it every few months when this happens again? > Has anyone else seen this happen? I've only seen one other report of 'too many open files'. Can you send the error and access log to me, so I can check through the usage pattern. karl From danstowell at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 14:52:18 2005 From: danstowell at gmail.com (Dan Stowell) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 15:52:18 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] Complete set of tools for Icecast In-Reply-To: <429B6EDC.2050405@hostricity.com> References: <429B6EDC.2050405@hostricity.com> Message-ID: <286e6b7c05060107522642e77@mail.gmail.com> On 30/05/05, Geoff Staples wrote: > We are switching from Windows Media to Icecast. I want to get as close > to open source as possible. > > That means that I need the following open-source items: > > Player for Windows (not Winamp if possible - it's now owned by AOL.) > Player for Mac > Player for Linux I do like videoLAN player, and it's all three of the above! http://www.videolan.org/vlc/ > We will also be podcasting, so that means our encoding needs to be > compatible with the Apple iPod. Here's what it supports: MP3 (8 to 320 > Kbps), MP3 VBR, AAC (8 to 320 Kbps), Protected AAC (from iTunes Music > Store, M4A, M4B, M4P), Audible (formats 2, 3, and 4) and WAV (Some iPods > also support AIFF) > > As best as I can tell, we'll have to encode ogg vorbis for broadcast and > MP3 for the iPods - unless one of the formats supported by the iPod is > Open Source. > > Also, I'd like to know anything you know about recording / encoding > systems that are open source. The only one I am aware of at the moment > is Audacity. I use Audacity for a lot of work. Surprisingly useful, given its easy interface. Dan -- http://www.flatfourradio.co.uk From mlrsmith at gmail.com Wed Jun 1 20:56:05 2005 From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 22:56:05 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast locks with WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files In-Reply-To: <429DBD56.5050101@ncsu.edu> References: <429DBD56.5050101@ncsu.edu> Message-ID: <3c1737210506011356215b7f84@mail.gmail.com> On 6/1/05, Joel Ebel wrote: > My icecast server has been running happily for months now, but just > yesterday it locked up, chewing up all the cpu time it could find, and > not allowing connections. The last snippet of the error log shows this: snip... > The error had repeated itself for almost 24 hours before I noticed it. > Obviously it had too many files open, but I can't account for how. The > logs before the repeating errors look completely normal. I tried > shutting down the streams, which didn't fix it, so I sent it some kills, > and it didn't die. I had to kill -9 it. Once it restarted it was fine. > Is there some leak preventing icecast from running indefinitely? Or > will I just need to restart it every few months when this happens again? > Has anyone else seen this happen? > There's at least one, and possibly two bugs here. One is that, when the server runs out of file descriptors, from your report, it looks like it spins - it should just reject connections/fail gracefully. That one should be straightforward to fix. The second problem is either a) you legitimately ran out of file descriptors (the per-process limit should be easy to change, but I can't suggest how since you didn't mention your OS), or b) icecast leaked file descriptors. b) is more likely, unless you had a lot of clients connected (probably at least several hundred), and is obviously much worse. You also didn't mention what version you're running - if it isn't the latest release, please upgrade. Was there any strange/suspicious behaviour just before this happened visible in the logs? If not, it's likely a slow leak caused in some unusual case, which only becomes a problem after some weeks/months (but might be exploitable as a DoS attack). Mike$ From jbebel at ncsu.edu Wed Jun 1 21:28:33 2005 From: jbebel at ncsu.edu (Joel Ebel) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 17:28:33 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast locks with WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files In-Reply-To: <3c1737210506011356215b7f84@mail.gmail.com> References: <429DBD56.5050101@ncsu.edu> <3c1737210506011356215b7f84@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <429E2881.9080501@ncsu.edu> I'm running Slackware Linux 10.0, kernel 2.4.26 and icecast 2.2. We usually have less than 100 clients connected, but I have as many as 13 sources connected at once. Only 6 are heavily used, and 6 more are just fallbacks only used when the primary 6 go down. There was no suspicious behavior I could find in the logs. All looked just as it normally does. I suspect this happened over time since this instance of icecast has probably been running non-stop since early January. Thanks, Joel Michael Smith wrote: > On 6/1/05, Joel Ebel wrote: > >>My icecast server has been running happily for months now, but just >>yesterday it locked up, chewing up all the cpu time it could find, and >>not allowing connections. The last snippet of the error log shows this: > > snip... > >>The error had repeated itself for almost 24 hours before I noticed it. >>Obviously it had too many files open, but I can't account for how. The >>logs before the repeating errors look completely normal. I tried >>shutting down the streams, which didn't fix it, so I sent it some kills, >>and it didn't die. I had to kill -9 it. Once it restarted it was fine. >> Is there some leak preventing icecast from running indefinitely? Or >>will I just need to restart it every few months when this happens again? >> Has anyone else seen this happen? >> > > > There's at least one, and possibly two bugs here. > > One is that, when the server runs out of file descriptors, from your > report, it looks like it spins - it should just reject > connections/fail gracefully. That one should be straightforward to > fix. > > The second problem is either a) you legitimately ran out of file > descriptors (the per-process limit should be easy to change, but I > can't suggest how since you didn't mention your OS), or b) icecast > leaked file descriptors. > > b) is more likely, unless you had a lot of clients connected (probably > at least several hundred), and is obviously much worse. You also > didn't mention what version you're running - if it isn't the latest > release, please upgrade. > > Was there any strange/suspicious behaviour just before this happened > visible in the logs? If not, it's likely a slow leak caused in some > unusual case, which only becomes a problem after some weeks/months > (but might be exploitable as a DoS attack). > > Mike$ From dyxion at yahoo.com Thu Jun 2 02:13:20 2005 From: dyxion at yahoo.com (DyXion EnDynia) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 19:13:20 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Icecast] Icecast problems Message-ID: <20050602021320.80223.qmail@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Hi, I've just installed Icecast and can't start it... Ok, I have Red Hat linux 9.0 I've downloaded icecast-2.2.0.tar.gz file... I've installed it using: .configure make make install Next I've edited - /usr/local/etc/icecast.xml then I type the command: icecast - c /usr/local/etc/icecast.xml and I recieve this message: "ERROR: You should not run icecast2 as root Use changeowner directive in the config file" Well, then i create a user and a password for it... I use: su - username to switch from root to that username but when I type the same command: icecast - c /usr/local/etc/icecast.xml I recieve another message: FATAL: could not open error logging (/usr/local/var/log/icecast/error.log): Permision denied FATAL: could not open access logging (/usr/local/var/log/icecast/access.log): Permision denied FATAL: could not start logging Please, what do I do wrong here?! --------------------------------- Discover Yahoo! Have fun online with music videos, cool games, IM & more. Check it out! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff at radioleft.com Thu Jun 2 03:30:46 2005 From: geoff at radioleft.com (Geoff Staples) Date: Wed, 01 Jun 2005 22:30:46 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] Sizing an Ice Cast Server Message-ID: <429E7D66.8010107@radioleft.com> Is there some info somewhere about calculating the throughput of an Icecast server? (I'm not really talking about the bandwidth) I need to figure out how much CPU and RAM I need. I also need to know whether other software on the server (such as mySQL ) will have a problem with Icecast. Geoff From faculty at paranarecords.net Thu Jun 2 03:07:41 2005 From: faculty at paranarecords.net (faculty) Date: Wed, 1 Jun 2005 20:07:41 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] Can't Hear Icecast Playlist HELP!!!! Message-ID: I am a new to all of this icecast stuff. I have two machines on the network behind a router. On the icecast server itself I can click on the playlist link and it works fine using a xmms player within Linux. But it will not work on my windows machine using every other player. When I mouse over the playlist link it says: http://my_ipaddress/playlist.ogg.m3u is this correct? Did I configure it correctlly? The only time I have any success is when I use a player called Quintessential, and put the URL into the player. All other players will just sit their and say connecting..Please help!! faculty From geoff at hitsandpieces.net Thu Jun 2 04:11:14 2005 From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 14:11:14 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] Icecast problems In-Reply-To: <20050602021320.80223.qmail@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20050602021320.80223.qmail@web31606.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: DyXion EnDynia wrote: [NON-Text Body part not included] Please send messages in plain text to avoid disapointment. The reason why Icecast is not starting is because your user does not have write permission on the directory you specified for logging. Geoff. -- Geoff Shang Phone: +61-418-96-5590 MSN: geoff at acbradio.org Make sure your E-mail can be read by everyone! http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From karl at xiph.org Thu Jun 2 13:36:17 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 02 Jun 2005 14:36:17 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] Sizing an Ice Cast Server In-Reply-To: <429E7D66.8010107@radioleft.com> References: <429E7D66.8010107@radioleft.com> Message-ID: <1117719375.21673.2312.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 04:30, Geoff Staples wrote: > Is there some info somewhere about calculating the throughput of an > Icecast server? > > (I'm not really talking about the bandwidth) > > I need to figure out how much CPU and RAM I need. RAM/CPU usage is so minimal that it would hardly show, bugs excluded :). Each has a tie in to the number streams running, but a few Mbytes is really the typical figure. > I also need to know whether other software on the server (such as mySQL > ) will have a problem with Icecast. I would of thought the other software would have to be hitting the system resources very hard to affect icecast. The disk is hardly used, maxing out bandwidth would affect listeners before icecast and not much CPU is needed. karl. From karl at xiph.org Thu Jun 2 13:43:54 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 02 Jun 2005 14:43:54 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] Can't Hear Icecast Playlist HELP!!!! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1117719834.21673.2333.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 04:07, faculty wrote: > I am a new to all of this icecast stuff. > > I have two machines on the network behind a router. On the icecast server > itself I can click on the playlist link and it works fine using a xmms > player within Linux. But it will not work on my windows machine using every > other player. When I mouse over the playlist link it says: > http://my_ipaddress/playlist.ogg.m3u is this correct? Did I configure it > correctlly? The only time I have any success is when I use a player called > Quintessential, and put the URL into the player. All other players will just > sit their and say connecting..Please help!! it sounds like you have a routing issue, but without the specific information it's hard to say. eg my_ipaddress could be an external IP address which gets handled by a NAT port forwarded router, and requests from inside the NAT are not being bounced back in to the server. The fix for this case is to either configure that NAT to bounce internal requests back in or to use an external DNS name (instead of my_ipaddress) and override that DNS with the local inside-NAT name for your local machines. karl. From fred at batanga.com Thu Jun 2 19:00:56 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 15:00:56 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast 2.3 Message-ID: Hi; I'm new to using IceCast and have found quite a lot of good info in the mailing list archive. Is there any projection for when IceCast 2.3 will be available? Thanks, Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From adam at xs4all.nl Thu Jun 2 19:04:07 2005 From: adam at xs4all.nl (adam) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:04:07 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Icecast] buffering Message-ID: <20050602205623.P54587-100000@xs6.xs4all.nl> hi, I doing some tests streaming from a connection in South Africa that seems to have difficulty handling even a 32kbps stream. Unfortunately there is no scope to upgrade the connection. The stream will go live to radio in London and hence a client has to have as consistent a connection as possible. I was wondering if there are any tricks to reducing buffering on the client in this kind of situation? Are there any tricks on the encoder, server, or player end that could help? Additonally, we are using Icecast1...Is there any performance gains (regarding buffering) to be gained by going to Icecast2? Any advice is much appreciated :) adam Adam Hyde ~/.fi r a d i o q u a l i a http://www.radioqualia.net Free as in 'media' contact: email : adam at xs4all.nl From mark at indymedia.org Thu Jun 2 19:30:03 2005 From: mark at indymedia.org (mark burdett) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 12:30:03 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] buffering In-Reply-To: <20050602205623.P54587-100000@xs6.xs4all.nl> References: <20050602205623.P54587-100000@xs6.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20050602193003.GA84291@indymedia.org> I would suggest switching to icecast2 since people on this list could help you (and also because it's way better ;) on some players like winamp you can increase the buffer size (for ogg and mp3 formats separately, iirc), this may help. you'll probably want to stream at 16kbps (11khz mono). i've found that i should set the source client and server to have the same timeouts. i.e. stick with the defaults of 10 second timeout for oddcast DSP and 10 for icecast2. this way both sides will disconnect, and hopefully reconnect, at the same time. --mark On Thu, 02 Jun 2005 21:04:07 +0200, adam wrote: > hi, > > I doing some tests streaming from a connection in South Africa that seems > to have difficulty handling even a 32kbps stream. Unfortunately there > is no scope to upgrade the connection. The stream will go live > to radio in London and hence a client has to have as consistent a > connection as possible. I was wondering if there are any tricks to > reducing buffering on the client in this kind of situation? > > Are there any tricks on the encoder, server, or player end that could > help? > > Additonally, we are using Icecast1...Is there any performance gains > (regarding buffering) to be gained by going to Icecast2? > > Any advice is much appreciated :) > > adam > > > > > Adam Hyde > ~/.fi > > r a d i o q u a l i a > http://www.radioqualia.net > Free as in 'media' > > contact: > email : adam at xs4all.nl > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From mlrsmith at gmail.com Thu Jun 2 19:48:30 2005 From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:48:30 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Sizing an Ice Cast Server In-Reply-To: <429E7D66.8010107@radioleft.com> References: <429E7D66.8010107@radioleft.com> Message-ID: <3c173721050602124828c1ea5c@mail.gmail.com> On 6/2/05, Geoff Staples wrote: > Is there some info somewhere about calculating the throughput of an > Icecast server? > > (I'm not really talking about the bandwidth) > > I need to figure out how much CPU and RAM I need. > > I also need to know whether other software on the server (such as mySQL > ) will have a problem with Icecast. There's no reason other software would be affected in any way. For any supportable number of users, RAM usage remains low enough that it won't be a concern for any modern system. CPU usage for small numbers of users is hard to measure (it's near zero), and should only be a concern if you're planning on at least a thousand simultaneous clients (and probably a lot more!). Mike From tv at wfhb.org Fri Jun 3 02:33:43 2005 From: tv at wfhb.org (babu) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 21:33:43 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] redirect a defunct sc stream to icecast stream Message-ID: hello, Perhaps this is a common request. Our station had a single shoutcast stream on domain:9999/listen.pls. Now that I am using icecast, the stream playlist will end in m3u, preferably on the same port. I would rather redirect the listen.pls requests to this new stream instead of requesting other sites and relays to change the url. One relay in particular is very difficult to communicate with, yet excellent for high volume traffic. I searched the archives, and did not quite find a relevant thread. I'm enjoying the new setup so far. Thank-you, Tom From i.mott at unimelb.edu.au Fri Jun 3 02:37:54 2005 From: i.mott at unimelb.edu.au (Iain D Mott) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:37:54 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] relay icecast to shoutcast Message-ID: <11335.143.238.36.133.1117766274.squirrel@webmail.unimelb.edu.au> Hello List Having great trouble relaying an icecast2 mp3 stream to a shoutcast server. My client program successfully streams to icecast which is listening on port 7000. I can listen to this stream with mozilla and xmms with no problems. I can also stream my client directly to the shoutcast server but it makes the client unstable (which is why i'm attempting a relay). The shoutcast server is set up to relay with the relay host as: beijing.zhongshuo.org and port: 7000. The mountpoint my client sets is ?radio?. I'll paste below my icecast.xml page. I've tried various port permutations and aliasing but I can't get anything to work. (xmms reports a ?402 Service Unavailable?) Hope someone can help. Cheers, iain the file: 100 2 5 102400 30 15 10 1 65535 mypassword mypassword admin mypassword 15 http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi 15 http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi beijing.zhongshuo.org 7000 1 /home/icecast /log /web /admin access.log error.log 4 1 icecast icecast From lpmusix at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 02:38:48 2005 From: lpmusix at gmail.com (Daniel Ballenger) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 19:38:48 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] redirect a defunct sc stream to icecast stream In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <56755a70506021938123d7661@mail.gmail.com> Not sure about this, but I think the alias feature will do just that for you. -Daniel On 6/2/05, babu wrote: > > hello, > > Perhaps this is a common request. Our station had a single shoutcast > stream on domain:9999/listen.pls. Now that I am using icecast, the stream > playlist will end in m3u, preferably on the same port. I would rather > redirect the listen.pls requests to this new stream instead of requesting > other sites and relays to change the url. One relay in particular is very > difficult to communicate with, yet excellent for high volume traffic. > > I searched the archives, and did not quite find a relevant thread. > > I'm enjoying the new setup so far. > > Thank-you, > Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karl at xiph.org Fri Jun 3 02:51:26 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 03 Jun 2005 03:51:26 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] redirect a defunct sc stream to icecast stream In-Reply-To: <56755a70506021938123d7661@mail.gmail.com> References: <56755a70506021938123d7661@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <1117767084.21673.3961.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 03:38, Daniel Ballenger wrote: > Not sure about this, but I think the alias feature will do just that > for you. alias will not convert the file contents, for layout, m3u != pls even though they are similar. >From what it sounds like, all you need is to create the listen.pls file in , make it contain the details you want. icecast will then server that file. karl. > On 6/2/05, babu wrote: > hello, > > Perhaps this is a common request. Our station had a single > shoutcast > stream on domain:9999/listen.pls. Now that I am using icecast, > the stream > playlist will end in m3u, preferably on the same port. I would > rather > redirect the listen.pls requests to this new stream instead of > requesting > other sites and relays to change the url. One relay in > particular is very > difficult to communicate with, yet excellent for high volume > traffic. > > I searched the archives, and did not quite find a relevant > thread. > > I'm enjoying the new setup so far. > > Thank-you, > Tom > > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From i.mott at unimelb.edu.au Fri Jun 3 03:37:43 2005 From: i.mott at unimelb.edu.au (Iain D Mott) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:37:43 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] relay icecast to shoutcast Message-ID: <11540.143.238.36.133.1117769863.squirrel@webmail.unimelb.edu.au> thanks - unfortunately the client software (Pd with "shoutcast~") won't let me set "/" as a mountpoint (or "" for that matter). i've tried aliasing with and but no joy. iain PS. typo in my last email - xmms error is: "401" and not 402 From: "Darrell Dominey" > you simply need to set the mount point to / > From tv at wfhb.org Fri Jun 3 04:22:46 2005 From: tv at wfhb.org (babu) Date: Thu, 2 Jun 2005 23:22:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] redirect a defunct sc stream to icecast stream In-Reply-To: <1117767084.21673.3961.camel@bogus.hackers.club> References: <56755a70506021938123d7661@mail.gmail.com> <1117767084.21673.3961.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: Karl, Have you got any ideas on some specific techniques to contain the details I want? I created an html file with a meta refresh to the m3u url, and this new listen.pls file actually works from IE, firing up a media player and loading the m3u playlist/stream. But it does not work from Netscape or Firefox. They send the listen.pls web page to my media player. Most of these redirect links will be coming from iTunes, and possibly other media players, so I'm not sure how well the meta refresh will work. It looks like it wants to work in iTunes, but then fails. By the way, the stream is a line-in from a stereo, so there is no actual playlist or set of audio files. That may be a key detail that I should have mentioned first! Thanks, Tom On Thu, 3 Jun 2005, Karl Heyes wrote: > On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 03:38, Daniel Ballenger wrote: >> Not sure about this, but I think the alias feature will do just that >> for you. > > alias will not convert the file contents, for layout, m3u != pls even > though they are similar. > >> From what it sounds like, all you need is to create the listen.pls file > in , make it contain the details you want. icecast will then > server that file. > > karl. > > >> On 6/2/05, babu wrote: >> hello, >> >> Perhaps this is a common request. Our station had a single >> shoutcast >> stream on domain:9999/listen.pls. Now that I am using icecast, >> the stream >> playlist will end in m3u, preferably on the same port. I would >> rather >> redirect the listen.pls requests to this new stream instead of >> requesting >> other sites and relays to change the url. One relay in >> particular is very >> difficult to communicate with, yet excellent for high volume >> traffic. >> >> I searched the archives, and did not quite find a relevant >> thread. >> >> I'm enjoying the new setup so far. >> >> Thank-you, >> Tom >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Icecast mailing list >> Icecast at xiph.org >> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast >> >> >> >> ______________________________________________________________________ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Icecast mailing list >> Icecast at xiph.org >> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > From karl at xiph.org Fri Jun 3 10:21:38 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 03 Jun 2005 11:21:38 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] redirect a defunct sc stream to icecast stream In-Reply-To: References: <56755a70506021938123d7661@mail.gmail.com> <1117767084.21673.3961.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <1117794097.21673.4870.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 05:22, babu wrote: > Karl, > > Have you got any ideas on some specific techniques to contain the details > I want? I created an html file with a meta refresh to the m3u url, and > this new listen.pls file actually works from IE, firing up a media player > and loading the m3u playlist/stream. But it does not work from Netscape or > Firefox. They send the listen.pls web page to my media player. > > Most of these redirect links will be coming from iTunes, and possibly > other media players, so I'm not sure how well the meta refresh will work. > It looks like it wants to work in iTunes, but then fails. > > By the way, the stream is a line-in from a stereo, so there is no actual > playlist or set of audio files. That may be a key detail that I should > have mentioned first! now you lost me, I'm not sure why you want a HTML metadata refresh, I thought you would just want a listen.pls file, so that browsers like IE will start the player. eg [playlist] NumberOfEntries=1 File1=http://myhost:8000/stream Title1=My Stream Length1=-1 karl. From der_Obi_Wan at gmx.de Fri Jun 3 10:28:22 2005 From: der_Obi_Wan at gmx.de (der_Obi_Wan at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:28:22 +0200 (MEST) Subject: [Icecast] On Demand Streaming newbie question Message-ID: <15769.1117794502@www5.gmx.net> Hello @ All, I have a question about on demand streaming with icecast2. Could anyone name me resources on the Internet that explain the setup of an on demand stream with icecast? Or better yet send me a default config that explains or shows the needed config? Any help is very welcome! Thanks in advance Tobi -- Geschenkt: 3 Monate GMX ProMail gratis + 3 Ausgaben stern gratis ++ Jetzt anmelden & testen ++ http://www.gmx.net/de/go/promail ++ From fred at batanga.com Fri Jun 3 13:42:21 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:42:21 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise Message-ID: Hi; I found a few threads in the message archives regarding the noise that Real player produces every few seconds when listening to a MP3 stream from IceCast 2.2. Is anymore information available on how to stop this? Thanks, Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wolf at uen.org Fri Jun 3 14:17:30 2005 From: wolf at uen.org (Wolfgang Schwurack) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 08:17:30 -0600 Subject: [Icecast] streaming mp3 files Message-ID: <42A0667A.9090207@uen.org> I have upgraded my streaming server to darkice-0.15 and icecast-2.2.0. I am able to stream our radio station from the web site but can not stream any of the mp3 files we are link too from our web site. Here's what I have in icecast.xml - webroot, were all of our mp3 files are located /opt/websites/kuer/audio website - index.html file, this works with icecast-1.3.12 Listen: Bats Part 1 If I click on the link I get an error "The page cannot be found" If I change the code to this, were the mp3 file is located, it trys to down load the file Listen: Bats Part 1 If I create a m3u file number19.m3u #EXTM3u number19.mp3 and change the code to this Listen: Bats Part 1 it will open winamp but does not play. Can anyone tell me how to fix this problem? thanks -- 0___ Wolfgang Schwurack c/ /'_ Unix System Administrator (*) \(*) University of Utah/Utah Education Network Tel: (801) 587-9444 email: wolf at uen.org From karl at xiph.org Fri Jun 3 14:31:13 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 03 Jun 2005 15:31:13 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] streaming mp3 files In-Reply-To: <42A0667A.9090207@uen.org> References: <42A0667A.9090207@uen.org> Message-ID: <1117809072.21673.5376.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 15:17, Wolfgang Schwurack wrote: ... > If I change the code to this, were the mp3 file is located, it trys to > down load the file > > href="http://audio.kuer.org:8002/soundscape/number19.mp3">Listen: Bats > Part 1 > > If I create a m3u file number19.m3u > > #EXTM3u > number19.mp3 > > and change the code to this > href="http://audio.kuer.org:8002/soundscape/number19.m3u">Listen: Bats > Part 1 > > it will open winamp but does not play. > > Can anyone tell me how to fix this problem? if the actual link for the file is http://audio.kuer.org:8002/soundscape/number19.mp3 then use as a link http://audio.kuer.org:8002/soundscape/number19.mp3.m3u karl. From craig at fdllug.org Fri Jun 3 14:42:51 2005 From: craig at fdllug.org (Craig Meyer) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 09:42:51 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] problems with icecast/ices Message-ID: <42A06C6B.90505@fdllug.org> This is a very general email message. Please don't flame me on lack of information. I don't often get a chance to get into the building where this computer is located and unfortunately had turned logging off on the icecast server to avoid it ever writing to disk. The problem: Simply put, I have an icecast server on Linux that uses ices that needs to stream a signal 24/7 without interruptions. The client is a Windows 98 machine that runs either Winamp 5 or Foobar2000 (I have tried both). What happens is suddenly (inside of 24 hours) the client program stops playing the stream and never reconnects without user intervention. However, as soon as I press the play button the client reconnects to the stream without issues. I am sure this is a problem with either the Linux box or icecast/ices on it. Prior to working with the Linux/Icecast box I used Shoutcast on Windows98 and didn't have this problem. Instead, I had Windows 98 crashing once every 2 to 3 months. Anyway, I expect to go onsite and look at the machine later today, when I do this I will turn on logging and get a copy of the config files (although they are fairly standard example files). What I am hoping for now is that someone is failure with possible problem(s) that could cause this. If someone could give me some idea of what to look for I appreciate it. -Craig From fred at batanga.com Fri Jun 3 14:27:17 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:27:17 -0400 Subject: FW: [Icecast] streaming mp3 files Message-ID: <03ylqnyztp6exkv.030620051027@batanga.com> I think your last approach should work (the m3u file), except you specified port 8002 instead of 8000... which would cause the behavior you're getting, winamp opens but does not play the song. Fred -----Original Message----- From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On Behalf Of Wolfgang Schwurack Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:18 AM To: icecast Subject: [Icecast] streaming mp3 files I have upgraded my streaming server to darkice-0.15 and icecast-2.2.0. I am able to stream our radio station from the web site but can not stream any of the mp3 files we are link too from our web site. Here's what I have in icecast.xml - webroot, were all of our mp3 files are located /opt/websites/kuer/audio website - index.html file, this works with icecast-1.3.12 Listen: Bats Part 1 If I click on the link I get an error "The page cannot be found" If I change the code to this, were the mp3 file is located, it trys to down load the file Listen: Bats Part 1 If I create a m3u file number19.m3u #EXTM3u number19.mp3 and change the code to this Listen: Bats Part 1 it will open winamp but does not play. Can anyone tell me how to fix this problem? thanks -- 0___ Wolfgang Schwurack c/ /'_ Unix System Administrator (*) \(*) University of Utah/Utah Education Network Tel: (801) 587-9444 email: wolf at uen.org _______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast at xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From fred at batanga.com Fri Jun 3 14:32:44 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:32:44 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise Message-ID: Look in the March 2004 archive for the thread: "Real Player and Icecast 2". I don't get the blowup they describe, but we do get some type of transient noise every few seconds. This occurs on all Windows PCs that we've tried the current version of Real Player with our MP3 streams. Fred -----Original Message----- From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 10:26 AM To: Fred Black Subject: Re: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 14:42, Fred Black wrote: > Hi; > > I found a few threads in the message archives regarding the noise that > Real player produces every few seconds when listening to a MP3 stream > from IceCast 2.2. Is anymore information available on how to stop > this? news to me, what threads are you referring to ? karl. From karl at xiph.org Fri Jun 3 14:58:46 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 03 Jun 2005 15:58:46 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] problems with icecast/ices In-Reply-To: <42A06C6B.90505@fdllug.org> References: <42A06C6B.90505@fdllug.org> Message-ID: <1117810726.21673.5444.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 15:42, Craig Meyer wrote: > This is a very general email message. Please don't flame me on lack of > information. I don't often get a chance to get into the building where > this computer is located and unfortunately had turned logging off on the > icecast server to avoid it ever writing to disk. > > The problem: > Simply put, I have an icecast server on Linux that uses ices that needs > to stream a signal 24/7 without interruptions. The client is a Windows > 98 machine that runs either Winamp 5 or Foobar2000 (I have tried both). > What happens is suddenly (inside of 24 hours) the client program stops > playing the stream and never reconnects without user intervention. > However, as soon as I press the play button the client reconnects to the > stream without issues. I am sure this is a problem with either the Linux > box or icecast/ices on it. Prior to working with the Linux/Icecast box I > used Shoutcast on Windows98 and didn't have this problem. Instead, I had > Windows 98 crashing once every 2 to 3 months. Anyway, I expect to go > onsite and look at the machine later today, when I do this I will turn > on logging and get a copy of the config files (although they are fairly > standard example files). What I am hoping for now is that someone is > failure with possible problem(s) that could cause this. If someone could > give me some idea of what to look for I appreciate it. You are correct in thinking that this isn't a very helpful description. Assuming you are talking about icecast 2.2 and which ices release? it's not clear on how ices and winamp/foobar are being used together. Whether ices stops streaming. Some of this should become more clear when you look at the logging. karl. From karl at xiph.org Fri Jun 3 15:03:01 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 03 Jun 2005 16:03:01 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1117810981.21673.5456.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 15:32, Fred Black wrote: > Look in the March 2004 archive for the thread: "Real Player and Icecast 2". > I don't get the blowup they describe, but we do get some type of transient > noise every few seconds. This occurs on all Windows PCs that we've tried > the current version of Real Player with our MP3 streams. what version of real player and do you have a stream URL to demonstrate the problem ? karl. From tv at wfhb.org Fri Jun 3 15:14:29 2005 From: tv at wfhb.org (babu) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 10:14:29 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] redirect a defunct sc stream to icecast stream In-Reply-To: <1117794097.21673.4870.camel@bogus.hackers.club> References: <56755a70506021938123d7661@mail.gmail.com> <1117767084.21673.3961.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <1117794097.21673.4870.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: Your example is very helpful. We never used any playlists, so I am unfamiliar with the spec, but I found one at winamp.com. It seems to be working a little bit. I need to set logging to debug to figure out why my sample connection gets stuck redirecting ad inifinitum. Thanks, Tom On Fri, 3 Jun 2005, Karl Heyes wrote: > On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 05:22, babu wrote: >> Karl, >> >> Have you got any ideas on some specific techniques to contain the details >> I want? > > now you lost me, I'm not sure why you want a HTML metadata refresh, I > thought you would just want a listen.pls file, so that browsers like IE > will start the player. > > eg > > [playlist] > NumberOfEntries=1 > File1=http://myhost:8000/stream > Title1=My Stream > Length1=-1 > > > karl. > > From fred at batanga.com Fri Jun 3 15:21:21 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:21:21 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise Message-ID: Sure: Make a pls file with this in it: [playlist] File1=http://mp31.batanga.com:8000/live Title1=Test Length1=-1 NumberOfEntries=1 Version=2 The version of Real Player: 10.5. I don't hear the problem when listening with itunes or WMP. Fred -----Original Message----- From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:03 AM To: Fred Black Cc: icecast Subject: RE: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 15:32, Fred Black wrote: > Look in the March 2004 archive for the thread: "Real Player and Icecast 2". > I don't get the blowup they describe, but we do get some type of transient > noise every few seconds. This occurs on all Windows PCs that we've tried > the current version of Real Player with our MP3 streams. what version of real player and do you have a stream URL to demonstrate the problem ? karl. From karl at xiph.org Fri Jun 3 15:32:54 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 03 Jun 2005 16:32:54 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1117812774.21673.5519.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 16:21, Fred Black wrote: > Sure: > Make a pls file with this in it: > [playlist] > File1=http://mp31.batanga.com:8000/live > Title1=Test > Length1=-1 > NumberOfEntries=1 > Version=2 cannot connect to that server karl. From fred at batanga.com Fri Jun 3 15:37:09 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 11:37:09 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise Message-ID: Sorry about that, didn't have port 8000 open to that box from the outside! Try it again... Fred -----Original Message----- From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:33 AM To: Fred Black Cc: icecast Subject: Re: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 16:21, Fred Black wrote: > Sure: > Make a pls file with this in it: > [playlist] > File1=http://mp31.batanga.com:8000/live > Title1=Test > Length1=-1 > NumberOfEntries=1 > Version=2 cannot connect to that server karl. From karl at xiph.org Fri Jun 3 15:57:45 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 03 Jun 2005 16:57:45 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1117814264.21673.5572.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 16:37, Fred Black wrote: > Sorry about that, didn't have port 8000 open to that box from the outside! > Try it again... I'm connected, and I haven't heard of any playback problems for the 10+ mins I've been connected for. The realplayer I've used is 10.0.4, can anyone check the windows version of realplayer? karl. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:33 AM > To: Fred Black > Cc: icecast > Subject: Re: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise > > On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 16:21, Fred Black wrote: > > Sure: > > Make a pls file with this in it: > > [playlist] > > File1=http://mp31.batanga.com:8000/live > > Title1=Test > > Length1=-1 > > NumberOfEntries=1 > > Version=2 > > cannot connect to that server > > karl. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > From jeremydonnell at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 16:04:20 2005 From: jeremydonnell at gmail.com (Jeremy R. Donnell) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 12:04:20 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <21461f11050603090469531c18@mail.gmail.com> I'm no expert, but it sounds to me like RealPlayer's decoder doesn't handle low bitrate streams very well. I set up a 64 kbps mp3 stream on my server and got the same artifacts, but it sounds fine in Winamp (though at 64 kbps, vorbis sounds much better). On 6/3/05, Fred Black wrote: > Sure: > Make a pls file with this in it: > [playlist] > File1=http://mp31.batanga.com:8000/live > Title1=Test > Length1=-1 > NumberOfEntries=1 > Version=2 > > The version of Real Player: 10.5. > > I don't hear the problem when listening with itunes or WMP. > > Fred > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:03 AM > To: Fred Black > Cc: icecast > Subject: RE: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise > > On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 15:32, Fred Black wrote: > > Look in the March 2004 archive for the thread: "Real Player and Icecast > 2". > > I don't get the blowup they describe, but we do get some type of transient > > noise every few seconds. This occurs on all Windows PCs that we've tried > > the current version of Real Player with our MP3 streams. > > what version of real player and do you have a stream URL to demonstrate > the problem ? > > karl. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > -- Jeremy From greg at indexcom.com Fri Jun 3 16:38:46 2005 From: greg at indexcom.com (Greg) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 09:38:46 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise References: <1117814264.21673.5572.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <009101c5685a$b69dd6f0$0200a8c0@Catherine> Just checked using RealPlayer Windows 10.5 latest release. This also glitches. This is more than likely due to the differences in metadata between SHOUTcast and Icecast2. This is exactly the reason I was asking for the exact differences between the protocols so I can help get these things fixed with the player folks. Real is not the only player with this problem. I may be in the AAC/aacPlus camp, but I can and will help with these issues. I have many ears right about now, and I would really like to see Icecast2 properly supported. -g. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Karl Heyes" To: "Fred Black" Cc: "icecast" Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 8:57 AM Subject: re: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise > On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 16:37, Fred Black wrote: > > Sorry about that, didn't have port 8000 open to that box from the outside! > > Try it again... > > I'm connected, and I haven't heard of any playback problems for the 10+ > mins I've been connected for. The realplayer I've used is 10.0.4, can > anyone check the windows version of realplayer? > > karl. > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] > > Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:33 AM > > To: Fred Black > > Cc: icecast > > Subject: Re: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise > > > > On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 16:21, Fred Black wrote: > > > Sure: > > > Make a pls file with this in it: > > > [playlist] > > > File1=http://mp31.batanga.com:8000/live > > > Title1=Test > > > Length1=-1 > > > NumberOfEntries=1 > > > Version=2 > > > > cannot connect to that server > > > > karl. > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Icecast mailing list > > Icecast at xiph.org > > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > From mlrsmith at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 17:11:09 2005 From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 19:11:09 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: <009101c5685a$b69dd6f0$0200a8c0@Catherine> References: <1117814264.21673.5572.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <009101c5685a$b69dd6f0$0200a8c0@Catherine> Message-ID: <3c1737210506031011332f7a09@mail.gmail.com> On 6/3/05, Greg wrote: > Just checked using RealPlayer Windows 10.5 latest release. > This also glitches. > This is more than likely due to the differences in metadata between > SHOUTcast and Icecast2. > This is exactly the reason I was asking for the exact differences between > the protocols so I can help get these things fixed with the player folks. > Real is not the only player with this problem. > I may be in the AAC/aacPlus camp, but I can and will help with these issues. > I have many ears right about now, and I would really like to see Icecast2 > properly supported. We only send mp3 metadata when it's explicitly requested by the client, and we implement the same protocol as shoutcast. The only difference I know of is that we have a different default metadata interval. Since that metadata interval is signalled to the client as a pretty core part of the protocol, it'd be somewhat astounding if Real managed to screw it up. Mike From fred at batanga.com Fri Jun 3 17:30:19 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 13:30:19 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise Message-ID: It does not appear to happen with ShoutCast... Fred -----Original Message----- From: Michael Smith [mailto:mlrsmith at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:11 PM To: Greg Cc: karl at xiph.org; Fred Black; icecast Subject: Re: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise On 6/3/05, Greg wrote: > Just checked using RealPlayer Windows 10.5 latest release. > This also glitches. > This is more than likely due to the differences in metadata between > SHOUTcast and Icecast2. > This is exactly the reason I was asking for the exact differences between > the protocols so I can help get these things fixed with the player folks. > Real is not the only player with this problem. > I may be in the AAC/aacPlus camp, but I can and will help with these issues. > I have many ears right about now, and I would really like to see Icecast2 > properly supported. We only send mp3 metadata when it's explicitly requested by the client, and we implement the same protocol as shoutcast. The only difference I know of is that we have a different default metadata interval. Since that metadata interval is signalled to the client as a pretty core part of the protocol, it'd be somewhat astounding if Real managed to screw it up. Mike From karl at xiph.org Fri Jun 3 18:33:21 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 03 Jun 2005 19:33:21 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: <009101c5685a$b69dd6f0$0200a8c0@Catherine> References: <1117814264.21673.5572.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <009101c5685a$b69dd6f0$0200a8c0@Catherine> Message-ID: <1117823600.21673.5938.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 17:38, Greg wrote: > Just checked using RealPlayer Windows 10.5 latest release. > This also glitches. does that mean earlier version had the problem as well ? > This is more than likely due to the differences in metadata between > SHOUTcast and Icecast2. >From a quick test, it looks like realplayer is requesting metadata and is getting an interval of 16000. As mike said, real player may be having problems with this > This is exactly the reason I was asking for the exact differences between > the protocols so I can help get these things fixed with the player folks. if it is metadata related then the player should be reading the 16000 figure returned from the server and check that many bytes of mp3. If real is assuming say 8192 (is shoutcast fixed at that?) then that would cause playback problems. by all means try changing the setting in format_mp3.c #define ICY_METADATA_INTERVAL 16000 The trunk code does allow of overriding it in the XML. In state 8192 > Real is not the only player with this problem. Who else is ? > I may be in the AAC/aacPlus camp, but I can and will help with these issues. > I have many ears right about now, and I would really like to see Icecast2 > properly supported. The default can be changed to 8192 easily enough but if there is some parsing issue with real then that would be useful to know. I suspect that for some reason the real player is ignoring the icy-metaint header causing the playback problem. karl. From mlrsmith at gmail.com Fri Jun 3 18:42:33 2005 From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:42:33 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: <1117823600.21673.5938.camel@bogus.hackers.club> References: <1117814264.21673.5572.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <009101c5685a$b69dd6f0$0200a8c0@Catherine> <1117823600.21673.5938.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <3c17372105060311424a4788ca@mail.gmail.com> On 03 Jun 2005 19:33:21 +0100, Karl Heyes wrote: > > I may be in the AAC/aacPlus camp, but I can and will help with these issues. > > I have many ears right about now, and I would really like to see Icecast2 > > properly supported. > > The default can be changed to 8192 easily enough but if there is some > parsing issue with real then that would be useful to know. We might need to have a black-list of broken players, where we fall back to very basic behaviour - using the shoutcast default here, and probably disabling some other functionality. We don't want to change global defaults just because one client is broken - that way lies madness. > > I suspect that for some reason the real player is ignoring the > icy-metaint header causing the playback problem. Obviously not ignoring it entirely, but possibly just triggering off the presence/absence of this header, rather than parsing it. Mike From fred at batanga.com Fri Jun 3 21:12:07 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Fri, 3 Jun 2005 17:12:07 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] multiple master/slave relays Message-ID: Is it possible to relay to multiple slaves? I would like to have IceCast relay it's streams to 3 other IceCast servers. Thanks Fred -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karl at xiph.org Fri Jun 3 21:23:17 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 03 Jun 2005 22:23:17 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] multiple master/slave relays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1117833794.21673.6163.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 22:12, Fred Black wrote: > Is it possible to relay to multiple slaves? I would like to have > IceCast relay it?s streams to 3 other IceCast servers. yes, the slave pull the streams from the master, so slaves can have near identical configurations. karl. From karl at xiph.org Sat Jun 4 01:13:29 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 04 Jun 2005 02:13:29 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast 2.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1117847607.21673.6405.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 20:00, Fred Black wrote: > Hi; > > I?m new to using IceCast and have found quite a lot of good info in > the mailing list archive. Is there any projection for when IceCast > 2.3 will be available? Nothing has been decided on yet. It will depend on what will get merged, and/or getting time to implement it. Feel free to make comments about wanted features, bug fixes etc karl. From geoff at hitsandpieces.net Sat Jun 4 01:43:19 2005 From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 11:43:19 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] relay icecast to shoutcast In-Reply-To: <11540.143.238.36.133.1117769863.squirrel@webmail.unimelb.edu.au> References: <11540.143.238.36.133.1117769863.squirrel@webmail.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: Iain D Mott wrote: > thanks - unfortunately the client software (Pd with "shoutcast~") won't > let me set "/" as a mountpoint (or "" for that matter). i've tried > aliasing with and dest="/"/> but no joy. The correct syntax is: Note that I think in the supplied config file, "/" is aliased to one of the stats pages, so you'd need to delete/comment out this definition. What happens when you try to connect to "/" manually? Geoff. From lennoxgrant at hotmail.com Fri Jun 3 16:01:54 2005 From: lennoxgrant at hotmail.com (Lennox Grant) Date: Fri, 03 Jun 2005 16:01:54 +0000 Subject: [Icecast] Help Message-ID: Hello there, I'm trying to figure out if this could be done, and if so, if it could be done with 1 IceCast2 servers running 1 config file. I use the DJ program that's called Traktor DJ Studio 2.6. It has a built in feature that you can stream LIVE! to an IceCast2 server with it. All the metadata info from the tracks played and played can be seen in IceCast2 and the media player that the person is using to listen to the stream. Here is where it gets a bit interest. The DJ can only stream in .ogg format. This is fine if you use a media player that supports .ogg, but unfortunately most users use Windows Media Player. Ok here is my question. Is it possible to for Icecast2 to take in (in .ogg format) whatever is playing from the DJ program and have it stream out as .mp3? and if so will all the Meta Data be intact or will it not show? So it's like this: DJ Program goes to IceCast2 IceCast takes in that .ogg format from the DJ Program and converts it to .mp3 Icecast does stream .ogg format but streams .mp3 User listens to stream in .mp3 format. I feel that this will increase process power because it has to do 1 extra job of converting it to mp3 and stream it. That's it no prob. If this could be done, could you please send me a complete copy of the config file and instructions on how to do it? Thanks Lennox PS. I already know how to use Icecast2 and have streamed from it before in .ogg format. Thanks again From ross at stationplaylist.com Sat Jun 4 02:47:40 2005 From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 14:47:40 +1200 Subject: [Icecast] Help References: Message-ID: <006d01c568af$c611fbc0$5100a8c0@levis4> A much simpler option is to provide a download link to the DirectShow plugin on your website. Then Windows Media Player works fine with Ogg streams. http://www.illiminable.com/ogg Latest version: http://www.illiminable.com/ogg/oggcodecs_0.69.8924.exe Note to vorbis.com maintainers. The links on the Windows page are pointing to ancient non-maintained versions of DirectShow filters (Media XW and Tobias). These have problems and should be deleted. Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lennox Grant" To: Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 4:01 AM Subject: [Icecast] Help Hello there, I'm trying to figure out if this could be done, and if so, if it could be done with 1 IceCast2 servers running 1 config file. I use the DJ program that's called Traktor DJ Studio 2.6. It has a built in feature that you can stream LIVE! to an IceCast2 server with it. All the metadata info from the tracks played and played can be seen in IceCast2 and the media player that the person is using to listen to the stream. Here is where it gets a bit interest. The DJ can only stream in .ogg format. This is fine if you use a media player that supports .ogg, but unfortunately most users use Windows Media Player. Ok here is my question. Is it possible to for Icecast2 to take in (in .ogg format) whatever is playing from the DJ program and have it stream out as .mp3? and if so will all the Meta Data be intact or will it not show? So it's like this: DJ Program goes to IceCast2 IceCast takes in that .ogg format from the DJ Program and converts it to .mp3 Icecast does stream .ogg format but streams .mp3 User listens to stream in .mp3 format. I feel that this will increase process power because it has to do 1 extra job of converting it to mp3 and stream it. That's it no prob. If this could be done, could you please send me a complete copy of the config file and instructions on how to do it? Thanks Lennox PS. I already know how to use Icecast2 and have streamed from it before in .ogg format. Thanks again _______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast at xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From ml at imux.net Sat Jun 4 02:49:14 2005 From: ml at imux.net (ml) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 03:49:14 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] Help In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42A116AA.7050500@imux.net> Lennox Grant wrote: > Hello there, > > I'm trying to figure out if this could be done, and if so, if it could > be done with 1 IceCast2 servers running 1 config file. > > I use the DJ program that's called Traktor DJ Studio 2.6. It has a built > in feature that you can stream LIVE! to an IceCast2 server with it. All > the metadata info from the tracks played and played can be seen in > IceCast2 and the media player that the person is using to listen to the > stream. > > Here is where it gets a bit interest. The DJ can only stream in .ogg > format. This is fine if you use a media player that supports .ogg, but > unfortunately most users use Windows Media Player. > > Ok here is my question. > > Is it possible to for Icecast2 to take in (in .ogg format) whatever is > playing from the DJ program and have it stream out as .mp3? and if so > will all the Meta Data be intact or will it not show? > > > So it's like this: > > DJ Program goes to IceCast2 > IceCast takes in that .ogg format from the DJ Program and converts it to > .mp3 > Icecast does stream .ogg format but streams .mp3 > User listens to stream in .mp3 format. > > I feel that this will increase process power because it has to do 1 > extra job of converting it to mp3 and stream it. That's it no prob. > > If this could be done, could you please send me a complete copy of the > config file and instructions on how to do it? I would suggest the solution to this problem is thus: Tracktor -> Icecast(server1) mount:high.ogg -> streamTrancoder -> Icecast(server1) mount:low.mp3 -> listeners streamTranscoder can take ogg streams and convert to mp3 and visa versa. A good setup would be the ogg in high quality and the mp3 in lowish. You can then offer your listeners both formats and give them the choice. WARNING: For mp3 you will need a licenced encoder, something that doesn't come with streamTranscoder. You can use lame, but that is unlicenced, == not good in commercial setting. Stephen LiveIce Project http://liveice.sf.net/ From karl at xiph.org Sat Jun 4 03:02:28 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 04 Jun 2005 04:02:28 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1117854146.21673.6576.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 18:30, Fred Black wrote: > It does not appear to happen with ShoutCast... can you try something for the problem stream. start the stream to icecast, connect real player such that you hear the glitches, then do a metadata update via /admin. karl. From adam at xs4all.nl Sat Jun 4 07:52:50 2005 From: adam at xs4all.nl (adam) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:52:50 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Icecast] streaming providers Message-ID: <20050604094943.N40711-100000@xs6.xs4all.nl> hi, I am in search of a provider that can supply services for encoding. I need some storage space (min 500MB for mp3 files) + the ability to run a command line encoder to stream these files, + continous 64kbps out going traffic. Anyone know of a service provider that offers this at a competitive rate? adam Adam Hyde ~/.fi r a d i o q u a l i a http://www.radioqualia.net Free as in 'media' contact: email : adam at xs4all.nl From bjacint at kvark.hu Sat Jun 4 14:36:01 2005 From: bjacint at kvark.hu (Balint Jacint) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:36:01 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] icecast sound compressor Message-ID: <42A1BC51.4080806@kvark.hu> Hi, I searched the Internet to find an answers, but I didn't find anything useful, so I'm turning to you, maybe someone has the answer. I want to make a realtime broadcast from a Linux box. The source is the soundcard's line-in, and it sends the stream to an Icecast server. I would like to have realtime compressor/limiter functionalities on this Linux box, so the outgoing signal would be of a good sound-level. The stream would be speech mostly. I searched with Google, but couldn't find a good solution for this exact situation. Can you give me a hint? What software should I use to make my plans? Thanks for your reply. Yours, Jacint From hostmaster at xenterra.net Sat Jun 4 14:37:55 2005 From: hostmaster at xenterra.net (Robert Muchnick) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 08:37:55 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Icecast] streaming providers In-Reply-To: <20050604094943.N40711-100000@xs6.xs4all.nl> References: <20050604094943.N40711-100000@xs6.xs4all.nl> Message-ID: You might take a look at http://www.metaflash-direct.com. That site would appear to meet your needs. (Full disclosure: I'm one of the owners of the site.) It runs icecast 2.2.0 and ices 0.4 and the later ices or another encoder can easily be provided. On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, adam wrote: > hi, > > I am in search of a provider that can supply services for encoding. I > need some storage space (min 500MB for mp3 files) + the ability to run a > command line encoder to stream these files, + continous 64kbps out going > traffic. > > Anyone know of a service provider that offers this at a competitive rate? > > > adam > > Adam Hyde > ~/.fi > > r a d i o q u a l i a > http://www.radioqualia.net > Free as in 'media' > > contact: > email : adam at xs4all.nl > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > Robert Muchnick Xenterra.net 720-276-7917 From bjacint at crossnet.hu Sat Jun 4 14:34:44 2005 From: bjacint at crossnet.hu (Balint Jacint) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 16:34:44 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] icecast sound compressor Message-ID: <42A1BC04.2050101@crossnet.hu> Hi, I searched the Internet to find an answers, but I didn't find anything useful, so I'm turning to you, maybe someone has the answer. I want to make a realtime broadcast from a Linux box. The source is the soundcard's line-in, and it sends the stream to an Icecast server. I would like to have realtime compressor/limiter functionalities on this Linux box, so the outgoing signal would be of a good sound-level. The stream would be speech mostly. I searched with Google, but couldn't find a good solution for this exact situation. Can you give me a hint? What software should I use to make my plans? Thanks for your reply. Yours, Jacint --===============0700714767== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: confirm 30f2b052674e90e8c14cc3f7143cb51ac3219565 Sender: icecast-request at xiph.org From: icecast-request at xiph.org If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line of the body of the reply. --===============0700714767==-- ReSent-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 00:56:14 +1000 (EST) ReSent-From: Geoff Shang ReSent-To: icecast at xiph.org ReSent-Subject: icecast sound compressor ReSent-Message-ID: Hi, I searched the Internet to find an answers, but I didn't find anything useful, so I'm turning to you, maybe someone has the answer. I want to make a realtime broadcast from a Linux box. The source is the soundcard's line-in, and it sends the stream to an Icecast server. I would like to have realtime compressor/limiter functionalities on this Linux box, so the outgoing signal would be of a good sound-level. The stream would be speech mostly. I searched with Google, but couldn't find a good solution for this exact situation. Can you give me a hint? What software should I use to make my plans? Thanks for your reply. Yours, Jacint --===============0700714767== Content-Type: message/rfc822 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: confirm 30f2b052674e90e8c14cc3f7143cb51ac3219565 Sender: icecast-request at xiph.org From: icecast-request at xiph.org If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line of the body of the reply. --===============0700714767==-- From geoff at hitsandpieces.net Sat Jun 4 15:04:37 2005 From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 01:04:37 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] icecast sound compressor In-Reply-To: <42A1BC51.4080806@kvark.hu> References: <42A1BC51.4080806@kvark.hu> Message-ID: Hi, It's going to depend a bit on what format you're going to use. If you plan to stream in ogg vorbis, you can use Ices 2.x and accept PCM via standard input. This means you could run a sox effect or ecasound to get and compress the sound from the soundcard before sending it on to ices. Ecasound can make use of LADSPA plugins which opens you to a range of compressors, such as the SWH compressor plugins which I'm told are pretty good. If you want to do MP3 then I don't have any good ideas so far. Darkice doesn't allow either receiving from standard input or inserting processing (i.e. starting a subprocess which it sends audio to and receives audio back from), either of which would be useful functions, and I don't know if Ices 0.x can accept PCM via stdin either. I'd be interested to know how you go. I've not looked at the sox compression effects lately so they might do the job, don't know. Geoff. -- Geoff Shang Phone: +61-418-96-5590 MSN: geoff at acbradio.org Make sure your E-mail can be read by everyone! http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From snixon at rednut.net Sat Jun 4 16:53:20 2005 From: snixon at rednut.net (Stuart Nixon) Date: Sat, 04 Jun 2005 17:53:20 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] on "source connect" script? Message-ID: <42A1DC80.4060403@rednut.net> Hello All, I would like to run a script whenever a source connects to my icecast server, somelike on source connect run xyz script. is this possible? What i would like to achive is to have an email sent out whenever a source connects and also update a database with the fact it connected. any hints or tips on how to achive this would be welcomed many thanks in advance stuart nixon From karl at xiph.org Sat Jun 4 17:30:22 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 04 Jun 2005 18:30:22 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] on "source connect" script? In-Reply-To: <42A1DC80.4060403@rednut.net> References: <42A1DC80.4060403@rednut.net> Message-ID: <1117906221.21673.8052.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 17:53, Stuart Nixon wrote: > Hello All, I would like to run a script whenever a source connects to my > icecast server, somelike on source connect run xyz script. is this > possible? > > What i would like to achive is to have an email sent out whenever a > source connects and also update a database with the fact it connected. > > any hints or tips on how to achive this would be welcomed this already exists in my branch code, just add to either /path/to/script /path/to/script It doesn't build on win32 as it does not make sense there, but most platforms are ok. The initial use was for kicking off externals apps like transcoder or for reporting problems like via email. Obviously be aware that these will trigger if using on-demand relays. There is only one arg to each script currently and that is the mountpoint name. I've just put up 2.2-kh9, which should fix the problem seen by people with real/helix players with mp3 streams. The usual places svn on http://svn.xiph.org/icecast/branches/kh/icecast tarballs on http://mediacast1.com/~karl/ karl. From lluis at artefacte.org Sun Jun 5 01:09:43 2005 From: lluis at artefacte.org (lluis at artefacte.org) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 21:09:43 EDT Subject: [Icecast] TV do Software Livre Message-ID: <20050604203958.E0BA0BC705@ns1.osuosl.org> hello all, just to say that this days was the 6th international free soft forum in Porto Alegre Brasil, and they where streaming all the talks with ogg/theora format ... using icecast server and pd/pidip encoder. http://tv.softwarelivre.org/bin/view/TV/ thanks theora :) From mott at reverberant.com Sat Jun 4 23:10:50 2005 From: mott at reverberant.com (Iain Mott) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 09:10:50 +1000 Subject: [Icecast] relay icecast to shoutcast In-Reply-To: References: <11540.143.238.36.133.1117769863.squirrel@webmail.unimelb.edu.au> Message-ID: <1117926651.11875.21.camel@localhost> thanks geoff - Yes, I had disabled the in the config. To answer your question: If the mountpoint is set to "radio.mp3" and the host tag is set for a local broadcast. ie.: localhost (for testing purposes), this is what happens when I enter "http://localhost:7000/" into a browser: The audio is streamed to disk under what looks like a random filename (eg wjgol87m). If the mountpoint is set to "radio", an error page is loaded into the browser: "The source you requested could not be found." In this state, entering http://localhost:7000/radio.m3u lets me listen to the audio in xmms. But i notice the mountpoint must be named radio.mp3 for "*.pls" file to be used. cheers, iain On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 11:43 +1000, Geoff Shang wrote: > Note that I think in the supplied config file, "/" is aliased to one > of the > stats pages, so you'd need to delete/comment out this definition. > > What happens when you try to connect to "/" manually? > From mott at reverberant.com Sat Jun 4 23:21:23 2005 From: mott at reverberant.com (Iain Mott) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 09:21:23 +1000 Subject: [Icecast] icecast sound compressor In-Reply-To: <42A1BC04.2050101@crossnet.hu> References: <42A1BC04.2050101@crossnet.hu> Message-ID: <1117927284.11910.29.camel@localhost> It'll take a bit of setting up but you could use Miller Puckette's "Pd" audio program (www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html) and download the separate "plugin~" external (ftp://ftp.iem.at/pd/Externals/PLUGIN/) and install. plugin~ allows you to load LADSPA plugins into Pd - and there's a number of limiters and compressors available. You would then need the "shoutcast~" external (and have the LAME libs installed) to do the encoding and streaming to the server (icecast, icecast2, shoutcast and darwin servers are supported by shoutcast). There's probably easier ways, but this would work. iain On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 16:34 +0200, Balint Jacint wrote: > Hi, > > I searched the Internet to find an answers, but I didn't find anything > useful, so I'm turning to you, maybe someone has the answer. > > I want to make a realtime broadcast from a Linux box. The source is the > soundcard's line-in, and it sends the stream to an Icecast server. > I would like to have realtime compressor/limiter functionalities on this > Linux box, so the outgoing signal would be of a good sound-level. The > stream would be speech mostly. > > I searched with Google, but couldn't find a good solution for this exact > situation. > Can you give me a hint? What software should I use to make my plans? > > Thanks for your reply. > > Yours, > Jacint > > > --===============0700714767== > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Subject: confirm 30f2b052674e90e8c14cc3f7143cb51ac3219565 > Sender: icecast-request at xiph.org > From: icecast-request at xiph.org > > If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, > Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is > spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header > with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting > to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line > of the body of the reply. > --===============0700714767==-- > > ReSent-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 00:56:14 +1000 (EST) > ReSent-From: Geoff Shang > ReSent-To: icecast at xiph.org > ReSent-Subject: icecast sound compressor > ReSent-Message-ID: > > Hi, > > I searched the Internet to find an answers, but I didn't find anything > useful, so I'm turning to you, maybe someone has the answer. > > I want to make a realtime broadcast from a Linux box. The source is the > soundcard's line-in, and it sends the stream to an Icecast server. > I would like to have realtime compressor/limiter functionalities on this > Linux box, so the outgoing signal would be of a good sound-level. The > stream would be speech mostly. > > I searched with Google, but couldn't find a good solution for this exact > situation. > Can you give me a hint? What software should I use to make my plans? > > Thanks for your reply. > > Yours, > Jacint > > > --===============0700714767== > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Subject: confirm 30f2b052674e90e8c14cc3f7143cb51ac3219565 > Sender: icecast-request at xiph.org > From: icecast-request at xiph.org > > If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, > Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is > spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header > with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting > to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line > of the body of the reply. > --===============0700714767==-- > > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > From geoff at hitsandpieces.net Sat Jun 4 23:49:57 2005 From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 09:49:57 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] relay icecast to shoutcast In-Reply-To: <1117926651.11875.21.camel@localhost> References: <11540.143.238.36.133.1117769863.squirrel@webmail.unimelb.edu.au> <1117926651.11875.21.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Iain Mott wrote: > To answer your question: If the mountpoint is set to "radio.mp3" and the > host tag is set for a local broadcast. ie.: > localhost (for testing purposes), this is what > happens when I enter "http://localhost:7000/" into a browser: The audio > is streamed to disk under what looks like a random filename (eg > wjgol87m). You shouldn't enter a stream URL into your browser, because this is the kind of thing that will happen. The way this works is that your browser downloads a file or page, then passes it off to the appropriate application if it can't deal with it itself. Since a stream never ends, it will never finish downloading, and even if it did eventually, you want to listen to it as it comes in, not afterwoods. So that's why you use a playlist file like an .M3U or .PLS file. This file gets downloaded and passed to your player, which opens it and sees where the stream is. And the player then opens the stream and plays it. > If the mountpoint is set to "radio", an error page is loaded into the > browser: "The source you requested could not be found." This means that there's no stream on that mount point. If this is where you actually want it, you'll need to check your configurations to find out why it's not working. > In this state, entering http://localhost:7000/radio.m3u lets me listen > to the audio in xmms. But i notice the mountpoint must be named > radio.mp3 for "*.pls" file to be used. It shouldn't need to be. Anyway, all this is a bit academic. You want Shoutcast to be able to relay your stream. Simply aliasing "/" to whatever your active mount point is should do the trick. Geoff. From mott at reverberant.com Sun Jun 5 01:09:50 2005 From: mott at reverberant.com (Iain Mott) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:09:50 +1000 Subject: [Icecast] relay icecast to shoutcast In-Reply-To: References: <11540.143.238.36.133.1117769863.squirrel@webmail.unimelb.edu.au> <1117926651.11875.21.camel@localhost> <1117930302.11910.37.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1117933790.11875.49.camel@localhost> figured it out! I have a dynamically allocated IP address - and i was entering a dynamic DNS name in the shoutcast server config expecting it to be resolved. It wasn't. I entered the IP address just then and it relays perfectly! Will follow up with the shoutcast service support to see why my dynamic name isn't being resolved (perhaps it can't be with shoutcast?). re. 44.1 and stereo/mono: As well as doing streaming, my system will be providing local playback at full bandwidth (ie. it's going to be play 44.1 material for listeners at an actual installation). My software can support downsampling, enabling support for a number of sampling rates - but it's a nasty sounding algorithm so i'll leave it at 44.1. The shoutcast service (audiorealm.com) is fixed in stereo unfortunately. Thanks for your help. iain On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 10:40 +1000, Geoff Shang wrote: > Hi, > > Works fine for me, both using /radio and just / > > So to get the shoutcast server to relay it, just set it to relay > http://beijing.zhongshuo.org:7000 and that should work fine. > > BTW: There's no way you're going to get 44.1kHz stereo sound out of a > 32kbps MP3 stream. So unless you're using MP3Pro or something, you may as > well drop the sample rate and since it's being roled off anyway, you might > get better quality for your buck. > > Geoff. > > From hostmaster at xenterra.net Sun Jun 5 01:22:47 2005 From: hostmaster at xenterra.net (Robert Muchnick) Date: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 19:22:47 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Icecast] relay icecast to shoutcast In-Reply-To: <1117933790.11875.49.camel@localhost> References: <11540.143.238.36.133.1117769863.squirrel@webmail.unimelb.edu.au> <1117926651.11875.21.camel@localhost> <1117930302.11910.37.camel@localhost> <1117933790.11875.49.camel@localhost> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Iain Mott wrote: > figured it out! I have a dynamically allocated IP address - and i was > entering a dynamic DNS name in the shoutcast server config expecting it > to be resolved. It wasn't. I entered the IP address just then and it > relays perfectly! Will follow up with the shoutcast service support to > see why my dynamic name isn't being resolved (perhaps it can't be with > shoutcast?). DNS means "Domain Name Service". In order to serve ANYTHING on the Internet, you have to have a reliable -- i.e., STATIC -- IP address, mapped forward and reverse, name to IP address and vice versa. What you are describing for your connection is DHCP -- where you are the client of your upstream -- and you cannot serve anything for more than the time of your current connection, meaning your "service", whatever it is, is at best transient. Robert Muchnick Xenterra.net 720-276-7917 From mott at reverberant.com Sun Jun 5 01:33:29 2005 From: mott at reverberant.com (Iain Mott) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 11:33:29 +1000 Subject: [Icecast] relay icecast to shoutcast In-Reply-To: References: <11540.143.238.36.133.1117769863.squirrel@webmail.unimelb.edu.au> <1117926651.11875.21.camel@localhost> <1117930302.11910.37.camel@localhost> <1117933790.11875.49.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1117935210.11875.63.camel@localhost> that's seems a shame. I'm aware of what dns is - and I was prepared for periodic drops in transmission. My dynamic dns name is updated (when necessary) every 10 minutes. For a variety of reasons i'm reluctant to use a static ip for this project - but if it can't be done.... On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 19:22 -0600, Robert Muchnick wrote: > On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Iain Mott wrote: > > > figured it out! I have a dynamically allocated IP address - and i was > > entering a dynamic DNS name in the shoutcast server config expecting it > > to be resolved. It wasn't. I entered the IP address just then and it > > relays perfectly! Will follow up with the shoutcast service support to > > see why my dynamic name isn't being resolved (perhaps it can't be with > > shoutcast?). > > DNS means "Domain Name Service". In order to serve ANYTHING on the > Internet, you have to have a reliable -- i.e., STATIC -- IP address, > mapped forward and reverse, name to IP address and vice versa. > > What you are describing for your connection is DHCP -- where you are the > client of your upstream -- and you cannot serve anything for more than the > time of your current connection, meaning your "service", whatever it is, > is at best transient. > > Robert Muchnick > Xenterra.net > 720-276-7917 > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > From ales at mur.at Sun Jun 5 09:28:03 2005 From: ales at mur.at (Ales Zemene) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 11:28:03 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] icecast sound compressor Message-ID: <20050605092803.GG3411@hornet.mur.at> hm, to have a look at Pure Data and external called oggcast~ http://www.akustische-kunst.org/puredata/ is recomended, you can set quality/bitrate/samplerate ... while streaming then, and do whateweryou want to your sound before sending it to icecast, including building your compressor-limiter. cheers Ales Zemene -- http://ales.mur.at irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor citation of from Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 09:21:23AM +1000, Iain Mott : > It'll take a bit of setting up but you could use Miller Puckette's "Pd" > audio program (www-crca.ucsd.edu/~msp/software.html) and download the > separate "plugin~" external (ftp://ftp.iem.at/pd/Externals/PLUGIN/) and > install. plugin~ allows you to load LADSPA plugins into Pd - and there's > a number of limiters and compressors available. > > You would then need the "shoutcast~" external (and have the LAME libs > installed) to do the encoding and streaming to the server (icecast, > icecast2, shoutcast and darwin servers are supported by shoutcast). > > There's probably easier ways, but this would work. > > iain > > On Sat, 2005-06-04 at 16:34 +0200, Balint Jacint wrote: > > Hi, > > > > I searched the Internet to find an answers, but I didn't find anything > > useful, so I'm turning to you, maybe someone has the answer. > > > > I want to make a realtime broadcast from a Linux box. The source is the > > soundcard's line-in, and it sends the stream to an Icecast server. > > I would like to have realtime compressor/limiter functionalities on this > > Linux box, so the outgoing signal would be of a good sound-level. The > > stream would be speech mostly. > > > > I searched with Google, but couldn't find a good solution for this exact > > situation. > > Can you give me a hint? What software should I use to make my plans? > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > Yours, > > Jacint > > > > > > --===============0700714767== > > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Subject: confirm 30f2b052674e90e8c14cc3f7143cb51ac3219565 > > Sender: icecast-request at xiph.org > > From: icecast-request at xiph.org > > > > If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, > > Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is > > spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header > > with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting > > to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line > > of the body of the reply. > > --===============0700714767==-- > > > > ReSent-Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 00:56:14 +1000 (EST) > > ReSent-From: Geoff Shang > > ReSent-To: icecast at xiph.org > > ReSent-Subject: icecast sound compressor > > ReSent-Message-ID: > > > > Hi, > > > > I searched the Internet to find an answers, but I didn't find anything > > useful, so I'm turning to you, maybe someone has the answer. > > > > I want to make a realtime broadcast from a Linux box. The source is the > > soundcard's line-in, and it sends the stream to an Icecast server. > > I would like to have realtime compressor/limiter functionalities on this > > Linux box, so the outgoing signal would be of a good sound-level. The > > stream would be speech mostly. > > > > I searched with Google, but couldn't find a good solution for this exact > > situation. > > Can you give me a hint? What software should I use to make my plans? > > > > Thanks for your reply. > > > > Yours, > > Jacint > > > > > > --===============0700714767== > > Content-Type: message/rfc822 > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > MIME-Version: 1.0 > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > > Subject: confirm 30f2b052674e90e8c14cc3f7143cb51ac3219565 > > Sender: icecast-request at xiph.org > > From: icecast-request at xiph.org > > > > If you reply to this message, keeping the Subject: header intact, > > Mailman will discard the held message. Do this if the message is > > spam. If you reply to this message and include an Approved: header > > with the list password in it, the message will be approved for posting > > to the list. The Approved: header can also appear in the first line > > of the body of the reply. > > --===============0700714767==-- > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Icecast mailing list > > Icecast at xiph.org > > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From hick.icecast at gink.org Sun Jun 5 09:44:20 2005 From: hick.icecast at gink.org (gARetH baBB) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 10:44:20 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Icecast] icecast sound compressor In-Reply-To: <20050605092803.GG3411@hornet.mur.at> References: <20050605092803.GG3411@hornet.mur.at> Message-ID: On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Ales Zemene wrote: > hm, to have a look at Pure Data and external called oggcast~ > http://www.akustische-kunst.org/puredata/ is recomended, you can set Except oggcast seems to be for MSP only, closed source and for Windows and Mac OS X only. Looks a mess. From geoff at hitsandpieces.net Sun Jun 5 11:01:12 2005 From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:01:12 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] relay icecast to shoutcast In-Reply-To: <1117935210.11875.63.camel@localhost> References: <11540.143.238.36.133.1117769863.squirrel@webmail.unimelb.edu.au> <1117926651.11875.21.camel@localhost> <1117930302.11910.37.camel@localhost> <1117933790.11875.49.camel@localhost> <1117935210.11875.63.camel@localhost> Message-ID: Hi, The problem you're going to have here is that it takes time for DNS changes to propagate through the Internet, so it may take some time for the DNS server nearest the shoutcast server to find out what your new address is when it changes. Geoff. -- Geoff Shang Phone: +61-418-96-5590 MSN: geoff at acbradio.org Make sure your E-mail can be read by everyone! http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From ales at mur.at Sun Jun 5 12:54:43 2005 From: ales at mur.at (Ales Zemene) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 14:54:43 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] icecast sound compressor In-Reply-To: References: <20050605092803.GG3411@hornet.mur.at> Message-ID: <20050605125443.GA9679@hornet.mur.at> i use oggcast~ on debian, works good. apt-get install pd-externals has oggread~ oggwrite~ oggcast~. rama http://rama.xicnet.com/?page=appz has oggcastw~ Ales Zemene -- http://ales.mur.at irc.kunstlabor.at #kunstlabor citation of from Sun, Jun 05, 2005 at 10:44:20AM +0100, gARetH baBB : > On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Ales Zemene wrote: > > > hm, to have a look at Pure Data and external called oggcast~ > > http://www.akustische-kunst.org/puredata/ is recomended, you can set > > Except oggcast seems to be for MSP only, closed source and for Windows and > Mac OS X only. > > Looks a mess. > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From karel.dusek at duhovy.net Sun Jun 5 13:18:02 2005 From: karel.dusek at duhovy.net (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Karel_Du=B9ek?=) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 15:18:02 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] YP listing from Icecast2.2 and Ices2 Message-ID: <42A2FB8A.3060606@duhovy.net> Is possible YP listing in http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi and http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi from Icecast2.2 with source Ices2? Thank you -- P?eji spokojen? den ***************************************************** I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth. *************************************** Karel Du?ek email: mailto://karel.dusek at duhovy.net ICQ#: 1 498 454 721 Skype me: callto://kargeek *********************************** http://www.harpia.cz Ubr?n?te se napaden? bez rizika pr?vn?ch komplikac? http://www.3dpraha.cz Neoby?ejn? reklamn? servis http://www.presidentcs.cz M?da pro osobnosti http://www.dobravune.cz V?n? pro du?i -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: karel.dusek.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 363 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karl at xiph.org Sun Jun 5 13:30:07 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 05 Jun 2005 14:30:07 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] YP listing from Icecast2.2 and Ices2 In-Reply-To: <42A2FB8A.3060606@duhovy.net> References: <42A2FB8A.3060606@duhovy.net> Message-ID: <1117978205.21673.8055.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 14:18, Karel Du?ek wrote: > Is possible YP listing in > http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi > and > http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi > > from Icecast2.2 with source Ices2? yes, set YP to 1 in ices2 and configure icecast xml to list the 2 servers above (assuming you have built icecast with YP support) karl From karel.dusek at duhovy.net Sun Jun 5 13:41:42 2005 From: karel.dusek at duhovy.net (=?UTF-8?B?S2FyZWwgRHXFoWVr?=) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 15:41:42 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] YP listing from Icecast2.2 and Ices2 In-Reply-To: <1117978205.21673.8055.camel@bogus.hackers.club> References: <42A2FB8A.3060606@duhovy.net> <1117978205.21673.8055.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <42A30116.3050805@duhovy.net> I am sorry, I don't understand. Karl Heyes napsal(a): > On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 14:18, Karel Du?ek wrote: > >>Is possible YP listing in >>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi >>and >>http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi >> >>from Icecast2.2 with source Ices2? > > Im error.log of icecast2 I have [2005-06-05 15:33:20] DBUG yp/yp_recheck_config Updating YP configuration [2005-06-05 15:33:20] INFO yp/yp_recheck_config Adding new YP server "http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi" (timeout 150s, default interval 30s) [2005-06-05 15:33:20] INFO yp/yp_recheck_config Adding new YP server "http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi" (timeout 150s, default interval 30s) [2005-06-05 15:33:20] INFO fserve/fserv_thread_function file serving thread started [2005-06-05 15:33:20] INFO yp/yp_update_thread YP update thread started [2005-06-05 15:33:20] DBUG yp/check_servers Add pending yps http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi [2005-06-05 15:33:20] DBUG yp/check_servers Add pending yps http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi It's OK? > yes, set YP to 1 in ices2 What set? Sorry :)) > and configure icecast xml to list the 2 So? 150 http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi > servers above (assuming you have built icecast with YP support) > > karl > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: karel.dusek.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 376 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karl at xiph.org Sun Jun 5 13:56:30 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 05 Jun 2005 14:56:30 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] YP listing from Icecast2.2 and Ices2 In-Reply-To: <42A30116.3050805@duhovy.net> References: <42A2FB8A.3060606@duhovy.net> <1117978205.21673.8055.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <42A30116.3050805@duhovy.net> Message-ID: <1117979789.21673.8063.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 14:41, Karel Du?ek wrote: > Im error.log of icecast2 I have > > [2005-06-05 15:33:20] DBUG yp/yp_recheck_config Updating YP configuration > [2005-06-05 15:33:20] INFO yp/yp_recheck_config Adding new YP server > "http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi" (timeout 150s, default interval 30s) > [2005-06-05 15:33:20] INFO yp/yp_recheck_config Adding new YP server > "http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi" (timeout 150s, default interval 30s) > [2005-06-05 15:33:20] INFO fserve/fserv_thread_function file serving > thread started > [2005-06-05 15:33:20] INFO yp/yp_update_thread YP update thread started > [2005-06-05 15:33:20] DBUG yp/check_servers Add pending yps > http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi > [2005-06-05 15:33:20] DBUG yp/check_servers Add pending yps > http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi > > > It's OK? yes, it looks like the YP engine in icecast is primed. > > yes, set YP to 1 in ices2 > > What set? Sorry :)) The ices 2 documentation states this information. In the to state "By default streams will not be advertised on a YP server unless this is set" so you need a 1. As a general policy, icecast will not advertise any of its streams unless there is a request to do so. karl. From karel.dusek at duhovy.net Sun Jun 5 14:06:44 2005 From: karel.dusek at duhovy.net (=?UTF-8?B?S2FyZWwgRHXFoWVr?=) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:06:44 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] YP listing from Icecast2.2 and Ices2 In-Reply-To: <1117979789.21673.8063.camel@bogus.hackers.club> References: <42A2FB8A.3060606@duhovy.net> <1117978205.21673.8055.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <42A30116.3050805@duhovy.net> <1117979789.21673.8063.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <42A306F4.6050902@duhovy.net> It's right :))), thank you very . Karl Heyes napsal(a): > On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 14:41, Karel Du?ek wrote: > > >>Im error.log of icecast2 I have >> >>[2005-06-05 15:33:20] DBUG yp/yp_recheck_config Updating YP configuration >>[2005-06-05 15:33:20] INFO yp/yp_recheck_config Adding new YP server >>"http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi" (timeout 150s, default interval 30s) >>[2005-06-05 15:33:20] INFO yp/yp_recheck_config Adding new YP server >>"http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi" (timeout 150s, default interval 30s) >>[2005-06-05 15:33:20] INFO fserve/fserv_thread_function file serving >>thread started >>[2005-06-05 15:33:20] INFO yp/yp_update_thread YP update thread started >>[2005-06-05 15:33:20] DBUG yp/check_servers Add pending yps >>http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi >>[2005-06-05 15:33:20] DBUG yp/check_servers Add pending yps >>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi >> >> >>It's OK? > > > yes, it looks like the YP engine in icecast is primed. > > >>>yes, set YP to 1 in ices2 >> >>What set? Sorry :)) > > > The ices 2 documentation states this information. In the to > state > > "By default streams will not be advertised on a YP server unless this is > set" > > so you need a 1. As a general policy, icecast will not > advertise any of its streams unless there is a request to do so. > > karl. > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: karel.dusek.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 376 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karel.dusek at duhovy.net Sun Jun 5 14:14:56 2005 From: karel.dusek at duhovy.net (=?ISO-8859-2?Q?Karel_Du=B9ek?=) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:14:56 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] welcome signature Message-ID: <42A308E0.6090108@duhovy.net> Is possible play welcome signature to new listener and switch to regular audio stream ? Thank you -- P?eji spokojen? den ***************************************************** I'm not really a human, but I play one on earth. *************************************** Karel Du?ek email: mailto://karel.dusek at duhovy.net ICQ#: 1 498 454 721 Skype me: callto://kargeek *********************************** http://www.harpia.cz Ubr?n?te se napaden? bez rizika pr?vn?ch komplikac? http://www.3dpraha.cz Neoby?ejn? reklamn? servis http://www.presidentcs.cz M?da pro osobnosti http://www.dobravune.cz V?n? pro du?i -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: karel.dusek.vcf Type: text/x-vcard Size: 363 bytes Desc: not available URL: From karl at xiph.org Sun Jun 5 14:32:43 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 05 Jun 2005 15:32:43 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] welcome signature In-Reply-To: <42A308E0.6090108@duhovy.net> References: <42A308E0.6090108@duhovy.net> Message-ID: <1117981963.21673.8070.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 15:14, Karel Du?ek wrote: > Is possible play welcome signature to new listener and switch to regular > audio stream ? not in 2.2. The feature has been in my icecast branch for a while and it has recently been merged into the trunk code, so should be in the 2.3 release. So by all means feel free to try it out. Note: as with fallback/fallback-override, the intro file itself needs to be of the same stream format as the stream itself. ie no mp3 intro file for an Ogg stream. karl. From craig at fdllug.org Sun Jun 5 17:30:01 2005 From: craig at fdllug.org (Craig Meyer) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 12:30:01 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] Player mysteriously quits... Message-ID: <42A33699.9010802@fdllug.org> I posted the other day with a question about a player that mysteriously quits playing the icecast stream. I believe the problem is related to the icecast stream for two reasons. 1) Because it quits on more than one different player (Winamp 5 and Foobar2000) and 2) Because I used to use shoutcast with Winamp 2 and never had this problem. Anyway, I tried to get as much information about the problem as possible, so I turned on logging (at loglevel 3) and got a log of the period when the player stops playing. I have looked at the logs myself and don't believe they will be much help, however I have increased the loglevel to 4 so that the next set of logs I get will be more detailed. Below is a list of my logs and config files. It goes in this order - access.log, error.log, ices.log, ices config file and icecast config file. Any help would be appreciated, but again, I will have better logging when the stream stops playing again (probably in about 8 hours or so). -Craig access.log 127.0.0.1 - - [04/Jun/2005:14:09:55 -0500] "SOURCE /tobin.ogg HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "IceS 2.0.1" 375393 127.0.0.1 - - [04/Jun/2005:14:13:33 -0500] "SOURCE /tobin.ogg HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "IceS 2.0.1" 128 192.168.0.3 - - [05/Jun/2005:05:29:24 -0500] "GET /tobin.ogg HTTP/1.0" 200 223293079 "-" "WinampOGG/5.09(MPEG stream compatible)" 54902 error.log [2005-06-04 14:13:33] INFO format-ogg/ogg_get_buffer End of Stream /tobin.ogg [2005-06-04 14:13:33] INFO source/source_shutdown Source "/tobin.ogg" exiting [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source logging in at mountpoint "/tobin.ogg" [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO format-vorbis/initial_vorbis_page seen initial vorbis header [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO format-vorbis/initial_vorbis_page seen initial vorbis header [2005-06-04 14:14:22] INFO source/source_main listener count on /tobin.ogg now 1 [2005-06-05 05:29:24] INFO source/source_main listener count on /tobin.ogg now 0 ices.log [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO ices-core/main IceS 2.0.1 started... [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO input-alsa/alsa_open_module Opened audio device plughw:0,0 [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO input-alsa/alsa_open_module using 2 channel(s), 44100 Hz, buffer 371 ms [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO input-alsa/alsa_open_module Starting metadata update thread [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO signals/signal_usr1_handler Metadata update requested [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO metadata/metadata_thread_signal tag 1 is artist=tobin [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO metadata/metadata_thread_signal Updating metadata [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO audio/downmix_initialise Enabling stereo->mono downmixing [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO audio/resample_initialise Initialised resampler for 1 channels, from 44100 Hz to 22050 Hz [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder initialising in VBR mode: 1 channel(s), 22050 Hz, quality 0.000000 [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO stream/ices_instance_stream Connected to server: localhost:8000/tobin.ogg [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO audio/resample_initialise Initialised resampler for 1 channels, from 44100 Hz to 22050 Hz [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder initialising in VBR mode: 1 channel(s), 22050 Hz, quality 0.000000 Ices Config File: 0 /home/icecast/log ices.log 2048 3 0 TobinRadio FM Tuner Radio Machine for Tobin Machining localhost alsa 44100 2 plughw:0,0 1 /home/icecast/test localhost 8000 icecast /tobin.ogg 1 0 22050 1 1 44100 22050 Icecast Config File: 100 2 5 102400 30 15 10 1 65535 icecast icecast admin icecast radio 8000 1 /usr/share/icecast /home/icecast/log /usr/share/icecast/web /usr/share/icecast/admin access.log error.log 3 0 icecast icecast From ronblok at wxs.nl Sun Jun 5 19:35:20 2005 From: ronblok at wxs.nl (Ron Blok) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 21:35:20 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] How to reach listeners behind corporate firewall In-Reply-To: <42A33699.9010802@fdllug.org> Message-ID: Hi fellow icecast users, I get more an d more complaints from listeners who are trying to listen to our stream behind a firewall. It seams that more and more companies block port 8000 in their firewalls. Is there a solution for these cases ? I have somewhere read something about streaming on port 80 instead of 8000. Is this the solution ? Or ??? Thanks in advance, Ron -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.6.2 - Release Date: 4-6-2005 From bjacint at kvark.hu Sun Jun 5 19:45:27 2005 From: bjacint at kvark.hu (Balint Jacint) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 21:45:27 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] How to reach listeners behind corporate firewall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42A35657.5060606@kvark.hu> Hi, I know two solutions for that. 1. You set up icecast to broadcast on the 80 port (there's a tag in the xml). If you run a webserver on the same machine, then you can't do this. 2. If you run a webserver on the 80 port, you can set up the webserver to relay the stream through it. If you use apache, you need something like this in your httpd.conf: ServerName stream.company.com ErrorLog /var/log/apache/stream_error.log CustomLog /var/log/apache/stream_access.log combined ProxyPass / http://127.0.0.1:8000/ ProxyPassReverse / http://127.0.0.1:8000/ After this the users can connect to http://stream.company.com:80/[stream_path]. This case in the stream's log all connections come from 127.0.0.1, but the original IP addresses are recorded in the apache's log. Yours, Jacint Ron Blok wrote: >Hi fellow icecast users, > >I get more an d more complaints from listeners who are trying to listen to >our stream behind a firewall. >It seams that more and more companies block port 8000 in their firewalls. > >Is there a solution for these cases ? I have somewhere read something about >streaming on port 80 instead of 8000. >Is this the solution ? Or ??? > >Thanks in advance, > >Ron > From bench at silentmedia.com Sun Jun 5 19:50:45 2005 From: bench at silentmedia.com (Ben) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 12:50:45 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] How to reach listeners behind corporate firewall In-Reply-To: <42A35657.5060606@kvark.hu> References: <42A35657.5060606@kvark.hu> Message-ID: Unfortunately, this won't really help with some corporate HTTP proxies, because the proxy never finishes loading the stream (it's a stream) and therefore never sends anything on to the client. Interestingly, I've seen windows media streams work in such places. Does anybody know that happens? Are windows media streams really a bunch of small files that the clients reassemble? On Jun 5, 2005, at 12:45 PM, Balint Jacint wrote: > Hi, > > I know two solutions for that. > 1. You set up icecast to broadcast on the 80 port (there's a > tag in the xml). If you run a webserver on the same machine, then > you can't do this. > 2. If you run a webserver on the 80 port, you can set up the > webserver to relay the stream through it. If you use apache, you > need something like this in your httpd.conf: > > > ServerName stream.company.com > ErrorLog /var/log/apache/stream_error.log > CustomLog /var/log/apache/stream_access.log combined > ProxyPass / http://127.0.0.1:8000/ > ProxyPassReverse / http://127.0.0.1:8000/ > > > After this the users can connect to http://stream.company.com:80/ > [stream_path]. > This case in the stream's log all connections come from 127.0.0.1, > but the original IP addresses are recorded in the apache's log. > > Yours, > Jacint > > > Ron Blok wrote: > > >> Hi fellow icecast users, >> >> I get more an d more complaints from listeners who are trying to >> listen to >> our stream behind a firewall. >> It seams that more and more companies block port 8000 in their >> firewalls. >> >> Is there a solution for these cases ? I have somewhere read >> something about >> streaming on port 80 instead of 8000. >> Is this the solution ? Or ??? >> >> Thanks in advance, >> >> Ron >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > From bjacint at kvark.hu Sun Jun 5 19:59:11 2005 From: bjacint at kvark.hu (Balint Jacint) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 21:59:11 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] icecast sound compressor In-Reply-To: References: <42A1BC51.4080806@kvark.hu> Message-ID: <42A3598F.201@kvark.hu> Hi, Thanks for all of you for your replies! I took a look at every software you mentioned, and ecasound looks the best for me with LADSPA and TAP-plugins. Just for the sake of Google search and maybe some us you may be interested, this is the command I'll use for compressing the online ogg vorbis broadcast: ecasound -f 16,1,44100 -i /dev/dsp -eli:2152,20,1000,20,20,0,0,0,0,6 -o stdout | ices2 ices.xml the 2152 LADSPA plugin is TAP Dynamics (M), with compression of 3:1 at threshold -35dB (15+20, as the number 6 represents 3:1 compression at -15dB) and after-compression-gain +20dB, 20ms attack and 1000ms release times. This is radical, but I want to compress speech where the only criteria is for the speech to be understandable. (I may change it later.) (If you install the LADSPA-plugin for xmms and the TAP-plugins, xmms tells you the exact order the numbers are used and their meaning.) In the ices.xml the interesting lines are: stdinpcm 44100 1 32000 44100 1 Yours, Jacint Geoff Shang wrote: > Hi, > > It's going to depend a bit on what format you're going to use. > > If you plan to stream in ogg vorbis, you can use Ices 2.x and accept > PCM via standard input. This means you could run a sox effect or > ecasound to get and compress the sound from the soundcard before > sending it on to ices. Ecasound can make use of LADSPA plugins which > opens you to a range of compressors, such as the SWH compressor > plugins which I'm told are pretty good. > > If you want to do MP3 then I don't have any good ideas so far. > Darkice doesn't allow either receiving from standard input or > inserting processing (i.e. starting a subprocess which it sends audio > to and receives audio back from), either of which would be useful > functions, and I don't know if Ices 0.x can accept PCM via stdin either. > > I'd be interested to know how you go. I've not looked at the sox > compression effects lately so they might do the job, don't know. > > Geoff. > > From _+icecast at sucs.org Sun Jun 5 21:00:53 2005 From: _+icecast at sucs.org (_+icecast at sucs.org) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:00:53 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] How to reach listeners behind corporate firewall In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42A36805.4030503@SUCS.ORG> Ron Blok wrote: > Hi fellow icecast users, > > I get more an d more complaints from listeners who are trying to listen to > our stream behind a firewall. > It seams that more and more companies block port 8000 in their firewalls. > > Is there a solution for these cases ? I have somewhere read something about > streaming on port 80 instead of 8000. > Is this the solution ? Or ??? You can tell icecast to bind to port 80 instead of 8000, but this may require root privileges. Or just use a D-NAT rule in what ever firewall your using.. I use the following rule for iptables/netfilter iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p TCP --dport 80 -j DNAT --to 127.0.0.1:8000 This has the effect of making it appear to the outside world that icecast is listening on both 80 and 8000, and is going to be a lot cheaper in terms of resources than proxying the connection. -- Chris Jones, SUCS Admin http://sucs.org/ From _+icecast at sucs.org Sun Jun 5 21:04:19 2005 From: _+icecast at sucs.org (_+icecast at sucs.org) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 22:04:19 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] How to reach listeners behind corporate firewall In-Reply-To: References: <42A35657.5060606@kvark.hu> Message-ID: <42A368D3.9050808@SUCS.ORG> Ben wrote: > Unfortunately, this won't really help with some corporate HTTP proxies, > because the proxy never finishes loading the stream (it's a stream) and > therefore never sends anything on to the client. I've never come across a proxy that you couldn't listen to a stream across. -- Chris Jones, SUCS Admin http://sucs.org From mott at reverberant.com Sun Jun 5 21:09:40 2005 From: mott at reverberant.com (Iain Mott) Date: Mon, 06 Jun 2005 07:09:40 +1000 Subject: [Icecast] relay icecast to shoutcast In-Reply-To: References: <11540.143.238.36.133.1117769863.squirrel@webmail.unimelb.edu.au> <1117926651.11875.21.camel@localhost> <1117930302.11910.37.camel@localhost> <1117933790.11875.49.camel@localhost> <1117935210.11875.63.camel@localhost> Message-ID: <1118005780.11896.3.camel@localhost> yes - and in the end there was no problem entering a dynamic dns name as a relay host. must have had some garbage text entered in that field - clearing it and re-entering fixed the problem. best, iain On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 21:01 +1000, Geoff Shang wrote: > Hi, > > The problem you're going to have here is that it takes time for DNS changes > to propagate through the Internet, so it may take some time for the DNS > server nearest the shoutcast server to find out what your new address is > when it changes. > > Geoff. > > From bench at silentmedia.com Sun Jun 5 21:09:46 2005 From: bench at silentmedia.com (Ben) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 14:09:46 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] How to reach listeners behind corporate firewall In-Reply-To: <42A368D3.9050808@SUCS.ORG> References: <42A35657.5060606@kvark.hu> <42A368D3.9050808@SUCS.ORG> Message-ID: <7CDB5EDA-F7C2-4AF4-B11F-4FFB0CE95202@silentmedia.com> Then let me be the first to tell you that it's really annoying. On Jun 5, 2005, at 2:04 PM, _+icecast at sucs.org wrote: > Ben wrote: > >> Unfortunately, this won't really help with some corporate HTTP >> proxies, because the proxy never finishes loading the stream (it's >> a stream) and therefore never sends anything on to the client. >> > > I've never come across a proxy that you couldn't listen to a stream > across. > > -- > Chris Jones, SUCS Admin > http://sucs.org > From greg at orban.com Sun Jun 5 23:24:17 2005 From: greg at orban.com (Greg J. Ogonowski) Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 16:24:17 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] How to reach listeners behind corporate firewall In-Reply-To: <42A36805.4030503@SUCS.ORG> References: <42A36805.4030503@SUCS.ORG> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050605161705.111738f0@66.220.31.130> Binding to port 80 is certainly a good idea to get through most firewalls, however, many of the newer corporate firewalls that I am seeing in place use content filtering. With content filtering, you will not get streams through on any port. I have tested this at a couple of client's sites recently, and proven to be true. Many corporations do not want streaming traffic on their corporate networks. Because of the inefficient Microsoft Windows Exchange Servers most are running, they barely have enough bandwidth available to handle their business traffic, much less adding streaming traffic to the mix. -greg. At 14:00 2005-06-05, _+icecast at sucs.org wrote: >Ron Blok wrote: >>Hi fellow icecast users, >>I get more an d more complaints from listeners who are trying to listen to >>our stream behind a firewall. >>It seams that more and more companies block port 8000 in their firewalls. >>Is there a solution for these cases ? I have somewhere read something about >>streaming on port 80 instead of 8000. >>Is this the solution ? Or ??? > >You can tell icecast to bind to port 80 instead of 8000, but this may >require root privileges. > >Or just use a D-NAT rule in what ever firewall your using.. > >I use the following rule for iptables/netfilter > >iptables -t nat -A PREROUTING -i eth0 -p TCP --dport 80 -j DNAT --to >127.0.0.1:8000 > >This has the effect of making it appear to the outside world that icecast >is listening on both 80 and 8000, and is going to be a lot cheaper in >terms of resources than proxying the connection. > >-- >Chris Jones, SUCS Admin >http://sucs.org/ > >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast at xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast __________________________________________________________________________ Greg J. Ogonowski VP Product Development ORBAN / CRL, Inc. 1525 Alvarado St. San Leandro, CA 94577 USA TEL +1 510 351-3500 FAX +1 510 351-0500 greg at orban.com http://www.orban.com From peterdavison at tfnet.ca Mon Jun 6 01:03:13 2005 From: peterdavison at tfnet.ca (Peter Davison) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:03:13 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Player mysteriously quits... In-Reply-To: <42A33699.9010802@fdllug.org> References: <42A33699.9010802@fdllug.org> Message-ID: <20050605210313.3da05629@dilbert.mydomain> Hi Craig. I'm not sure if it's the same circumstances but I experienced similar issues with ices/icecast because I had ogg files and mp3 intermixed in my playlist. Icecast would play fine for several hours then abruptly quit. I don't have the error logs anymore so I can't give you any details there, but the source of the problem was the ices plugin encountering an ogg file instead of an mp3. Anyway, maybe you've got a file in your playlist that icecast/ices doesn't like??? Hope that helps. Regards, Pete. On Sun, 05 Jun 2005 12:30:01 -0500 Craig Meyer wrote: > I posted the other day with a question about a player that mysteriously quits playing the icecast stream. I believe the problem is related to the icecast stream for two reasons. 1) Because it quits on more than one different player (Winamp 5 and Foobar2000) and 2) Because I used to use shoutcast with Winamp 2 and never had this problem. Anyway, I tried to get as much information about the problem as possible, so I turned on logging (at loglevel 3) and got a log of the period when the player stops playing. I have looked at the logs myself and don't believe they will be much help, however I have increased the loglevel to 4 so that the next set of logs I get will be more detailed. Below is a list of my logs and config files. It goes in this order - access.log, error.log, ices.log, ices config file and icecast config file. Any help would be appreciated, but again, I will have better logging when the stream stops playing again (probably in about 8 hours or so). > > -Craig > > > access.log > 127.0.0.1 - - [04/Jun/2005:14:09:55 -0500] "SOURCE /tobin.ogg HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "IceS 2.0.1" 375393 > 127.0.0.1 - - [04/Jun/2005:14:13:33 -0500] "SOURCE /tobin.ogg HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "IceS 2.0.1" 128 > 192.168.0.3 - - [05/Jun/2005:05:29:24 -0500] "GET /tobin.ogg HTTP/1.0" 200 223293079 "-" "WinampOGG/5.09(MPEG stream compatible)" 54902 > > error.log > [2005-06-04 14:13:33] INFO format-ogg/ogg_get_buffer End of Stream /tobin.ogg > [2005-06-04 14:13:33] INFO source/source_shutdown Source "/tobin.ogg" exiting > [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source logging in at mountpoint "/tobin.ogg" > [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO format-vorbis/initial_vorbis_page seen initial vorbis header > [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO format-vorbis/initial_vorbis_page seen initial vorbis header > [2005-06-04 14:14:22] INFO source/source_main listener count on /tobin.ogg now 1 > [2005-06-05 05:29:24] INFO source/source_main listener count on /tobin.ogg now 0 > > ices.log > [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO ices-core/main IceS 2.0.1 started... > [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO input-alsa/alsa_open_module Opened audio device plughw:0,0 > [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO input-alsa/alsa_open_module using 2 channel(s), 44100 Hz, buffer 371 ms > [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO input-alsa/alsa_open_module Starting metadata update thread > [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO signals/signal_usr1_handler Metadata update requested > [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO metadata/metadata_thread_signal tag 1 is artist=tobin > [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO metadata/metadata_thread_signal Updating metadata > [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO audio/downmix_initialise Enabling stereo->mono downmixing > [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO audio/resample_initialise Initialised resampler for 1 channels, from 44100 Hz to 22050 Hz > [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder initialising in VBR mode: 1 channel(s), 22050 Hz, quality 0.000000 > [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO stream/ices_instance_stream Connected to server: localhost:8000/tobin.ogg > [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO audio/resample_initialise Initialised resampler for 1 channels, from 44100 Hz to 22050 Hz > [2005-06-04 14:13:44] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder initialising in VBR mode: 1 channel(s), 22050 Hz, quality 0.000000 > > > Ices Config File: > > > > > 0 > > /home/icecast/log > ices.log > 2048 > > 3 > > 0 > > > > > > > > TobinRadio > FM Tuner > Radio Machine for Tobin Machining > localhost > > > > > alsa > 44100 > 2 > plughw:0,0 > > > 1 > /home/icecast/test > > > > > > > > localhost > 8000 > icecast > /tobin.ogg > 1 > > > > > 0 > 22050 > 1 > > > > 1 > > > > > 44100 > 22050 > > > > > > > > > > > Icecast Config File: > > > 100 > 2 > 5 > 102400 > 30 > 15 > 10 > > 1 > > 65535 > > > > > icecast > > icecast > > > admin > icecast > > > > > > > radio > > > > > > > > 8000 > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1 > > > > /usr/share/icecast > > > /home/icecast/log > /usr/share/icecast/web > /usr/share/icecast/admin > > > > > > > > > > access.log > error.log > 3 > > > > 0 > > icecast > icecast > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > -- Peter Davison _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ e: peterdavison at tfnet.ca _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ w: http://rpdavison.ca _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/ c: 647 883 6486 _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ h: 416 699 2964 _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ From karl at xiph.org Mon Jun 6 01:19:22 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 06 Jun 2005 02:19:22 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] Player mysteriously quits... In-Reply-To: <42A33699.9010802@fdllug.org> References: <42A33699.9010802@fdllug.org> Message-ID: <1118020760.21673.8081.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 18:30, Craig Meyer wrote: > I posted the other day with a question about a player that mysteriously quits playing the icecast stream. I believe the problem is related to the icecast stream for two reasons. 1) Because it quits on more than one different player (Winamp 5 and Foobar2000) and 2) Because I used to use shoutcast with Winamp 2 and never had this problem. Anyway, I tried to get as much information about the problem as possible, so I turned on logging (at loglevel 3) and got a log of the period when the player stops playing. I have looked at the logs myself and don't believe they will be much help, however I have increased the loglevel to 4 so that the next set of logs I get will be more detailed. Below is a list of my logs and config files. It goes in this order - access.log, error.log, ices.log, ices config file and icecast config file. Any help would be appreciated, but again, I will have better logging when the stream stops playing again (probably in about 8 hours or so). from your description the player is terminating and ices looks to continue running. So either the listener disconnects itself or icecast kicks the listener off. The error log should indicate which. The listener being kicked off may just be down to some short-term stalling issue, if so, specifying an increased queue-size may help karl. From ross at stationplaylist.com Mon Jun 6 05:33:00 2005 From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 17:33:00 +1200 Subject: [Icecast] How to reach listeners behind corporate firewall References: Message-ID: <005701c56a59$3426f890$5100a8c0@levis4> As others have mentioned, port 80 will work in most cases except for some new routers/firewalls which check the content. Port 80 is a great idea. Virgin Radio use port 80 for all of their streams, and it makes the URL shorter! http://ogg.smgradio.com/vr160.ogg.m3u Regards, Ross. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ron Blok" To: Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 7:35 AM Subject: [Icecast] How to reach listeners behind corporate firewall Hi fellow icecast users, I get more an d more complaints from listeners who are trying to listen to our stream behind a firewall. It seams that more and more companies block port 8000 in their firewalls. Is there a solution for these cases ? I have somewhere read something about streaming on port 80 instead of 8000. Is this the solution ? Or ??? Thanks in advance, Ron From fred at batanga.com Mon Jun 6 13:48:22 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:48:22 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast 2.3 In-Reply-To: <1117847607.21673.6405.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: Primarily I need the Intro feature on the Windows platform. Fred Fred Black Batanga.com fred at batanga.com 336-510-5485 -----Original Message----- From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 9:13 PM To: Fred Black Cc: icecast Subject: Re: [Icecast] Icecast 2.3 On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 20:00, Fred Black wrote: > Hi; > > I'm new to using IceCast and have found quite a lot of good info in > the mailing list archive. Is there any projection for when IceCast > 2.3 will be available? Nothing has been decided on yet. It will depend on what will get merged, and/or getting time to implement it. Feel free to make comments about wanted features, bug fixes etc karl. From fred at batanga.com Mon Jun 6 14:23:45 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:23:45 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: <1117854146.21673.6576.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: I tried this and do not see the song title change in real player. I hear the glitches, but can't really tell if the metadata update causes another audio glitch or not, but I suspect that it does. Fred -----Original Message----- From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:02 PM To: Fred Black Cc: icecast Subject: re: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 18:30, Fred Black wrote: > It does not appear to happen with ShoutCast... can you try something for the problem stream. start the stream to icecast, connect real player such that you hear the glitches, then do a metadata update via /admin. karl. From karl at xiph.org Mon Jun 6 14:34:57 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 06 Jun 2005 15:34:57 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast 2.3 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118068496.21673.8095.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 14:48, Fred Black wrote: > Primarily I need the Intro feature on the Windows platform. That feature has already been merged into the trunk codebase for a 2.3 release. karl .... > On Thu, 2005-06-02 at 20:00, Fred Black wrote: > > Hi; > > > > I'm new to using IceCast and have found quite a lot of good info in > > the mailing list archive. Is there any projection for when IceCast > > 2.3 will be available? > > Nothing has been decided on yet. It will depend on what will get merged, > and/or getting time to implement it. Feel free to make comments about > wanted features, bug fixes etc From tv at wfhb.org Mon Jun 6 15:44:57 2005 From: tv at wfhb.org (babu) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 10:44:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] dueling audio In-Reply-To: <1118068496.21673.8095.camel@bogus.hackers.club> References: <1118068496.21673.8095.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: Hello, I joined last week and received great help immediately. I am enjoying this informative and genteel list. Anyway, here's an interesting one: I am streaming with Icecast using a radio into line-in. It works fine, and the stream sounds great. However, I have been doing this for four years, and I often would like to listen to audio from the internet without the line-in sound in the background. These files do not play in the stream, so I don't mind listening to them on top of the line-in audio, but if I could block the line-in audio from reaching my headphones, I would be really happy. This is a windows XP box at work, so not my choice in OS. I have assumed this is not possible, but I have never asked anyone else about it before. Thanks, Tom From fred at batanga.com Mon Jun 6 16:52:30 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 12:52:30 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] multiple master/slave relays In-Reply-To: <1117833794.21673.6163.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: Ok, However, I need to specify multiple master servers, so that the slave will relay streams from several "sources". Is this possible? Fred -----Original Message----- From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] Sent: Friday, June 03, 2005 5:23 PM To: Fred Black Cc: icecast Subject: Re: [Icecast] multiple master/slave relays On Fri, 2005-06-03 at 22:12, Fred Black wrote: > Is it possible to relay to multiple slaves? I would like to have > IceCast relay it's streams to 3 other IceCast servers. yes, the slave pull the streams from the master, so slaves can have near identical configurations. karl. From karl at xiph.org Mon Jun 6 19:27:47 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 06 Jun 2005 20:27:47 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] multiple master/slave relays In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118086067.21673.8128.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 17:52, Fred Black wrote: > Ok, > However, I need to specify multiple master servers, so that the slave will > relay streams from several "sources". Is this possible? Icecast only handles 1 master server, although XML specified relays can be from various places. The slave mechanism could be extended to allow for multiple master servers. It would be best to add a report to trac.xiph.org so it does not get forgotten. karl. From karl at xiph.org Mon Jun 6 22:36:56 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 06 Jun 2005 23:36:56 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118097414.21673.8153.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 15:23, Fred Black wrote: > I tried this and do not see the song title change in real player. I hear > the glitches, but can't really tell if the metadata update causes another > audio glitch or not, but I suspect that it does. I've committed the patch from the test we did earlier. karl. From andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk Tue Jun 7 04:42:13 2005 From: andy at earthsong.free-online.co.uk (Andy Baxter) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 05:42:13 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] dueling audio In-Reply-To: References: <1118068496.21673.8095.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <200506070542.13406.andy@earthsong.free-online.co.uk> On Monday 06 Jun 2005 16:44, babu wrote: > Hello, > > I joined last week and received great help immediately. I am enjoying > this informative and genteel list. > > Anyway, here's an interesting one: > > I am streaming with Icecast using a radio into line-in. It works fine, and > the stream sounds great. However, I have been doing this for four years, > and I often would like to listen to audio from the internet without the > line-in sound in the background. These files do not play in the stream, so > I don't mind listening to them on top of the line-in audio, but if I could > block the line-in audio from reaching my headphones, I would be really > happy. > > This is a windows XP box at work, so not my choice in OS. I have assumed > this is not possible, but I have never asked anyone else about it before. it's technically possible because you can do it in linux (just mute the line channel but leave it as a capture source) - don't know how you do it in windows XP. -- Please don't send me html mail or un-notified attachments. These will be automatically filed under 'probable spam' unless I'm expecting an email which hasn't come. If you do need to send an attachment or html mail, put [attachment] or [html] in the subject line. Thanks, andy. From lpmusix at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 04:45:57 2005 From: lpmusix at gmail.com (Daniel Ballenger) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 21:45:57 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] dueling audio In-Reply-To: References: <1118068496.21673.8095.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <56755a7050606214513a762c2@mail.gmail.com> Easy, open up the volume control panel and turn the line in down/mute it (the main window should be for signals heading out of the card, not in, that should be it's own seperate panel). I hope that works for you :). Daniel On 6/6/05, babu wrote: > > Hello, > > I joined last week and received great help immediately. I am enjoying > this informative and genteel list. > > Anyway, here's an interesting one: > > I am streaming with Icecast using a radio into line-in. It works fine, and > the stream sounds great. However, I have been doing this for four years, > and I often would like to listen to audio from the internet without the > line-in sound in the background. These files do not play in the stream, so > I don't mind listening to them on top of the line-in audio, but if I could > block the line-in audio from reaching my headphones, I would be really > happy. > > This is a windows XP box at work, so not my choice in OS. I have assumed > this is not possible, but I have never asked anyone else about it before. > > Thanks, > Tom > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From subh.arya at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 08:05:20 2005 From: subh.arya at gmail.com (Subhabrata Bhattacharya) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 13:35:20 +0530 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast RTP support Message-ID: <76245630050607010548900915@mail.gmail.com> Hi, Does Icecast has RTP support for streaming OGG/Vorbis and OGG/theora media files? If so, then please give me some pointers on how to configure my Icecast server to listen to RTP requests. If it's not available, then is the inclusion of this feature, in plans for future release of the product? Thanks -- Subhabrata Bhattacharya From darkeye at tyrell.hu Tue Jun 7 08:09:28 2005 From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (=?ISO-8859-1?Q?=C1kos_Mar=F3y?=) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 10:09:28 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast RTP support In-Reply-To: <76245630050607010548900915@mail.gmail.com> References: <76245630050607010548900915@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42A55638.6010504@tyrell.hu> Subhabrata Bhattacharya wrote: > Does Icecast has RTP support for streaming OGG/Vorbis and OGG/theora > media files? > If so, then please give me some pointers on how to configure my > Icecast server to listen to RTP requests. > If it's not available, then is the inclusion of this feature, in plans > for future release of the product? I for one would _love_ to see RTP / RTPS streaming for Ogg Vorbis.. Akos From mlrsmith at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 09:32:17 2005 From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 11:32:17 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast RTP support In-Reply-To: <76245630050607010548900915@mail.gmail.com> References: <76245630050607010548900915@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3c17372105060702323cf301a1@mail.gmail.com> On 6/7/05, Subhabrata Bhattacharya wrote: > Hi, > > Does Icecast has RTP support for streaming OGG/Vorbis and OGG/theora > media files? Not in the current version. It may be added in the relatively distant future, but there's nobody workingon it at the moment. Mike From fred at batanga.com Tue Jun 7 12:44:59 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 08:44:59 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: <1118097414.21673.8153.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: Thanks, Is there anyway to get a pre 2.3 compiled version of this for Windows? Fred -----Original Message----- From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] Sent: Monday, June 06, 2005 6:37 PM To: Fred Black Cc: 'icecast' Subject: RE: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 15:23, Fred Black wrote: > I tried this and do not see the song title change in real player. I hear > the glitches, but can't really tell if the metadata update causes another > audio glitch or not, but I suspect that it does. I've committed the patch from the test we did earlier. karl. From tv at wfhb.org Tue Jun 7 14:40:51 2005 From: tv at wfhb.org (babu) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 09:40:51 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] dueling audio In-Reply-To: <56755a7050606214513a762c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1118068496.21673.8095.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <56755a7050606214513a762c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: ho lee MO lee. that thar is one fancy operating system. Thanks! :) Tom On Mon, 6 Jun 2005, Daniel Ballenger wrote: > Easy, open up the volume control panel and turn the line in down/mute it > (the main window should be for signals heading out of the card, not in, that > should be it's own seperate panel). > > I hope that works for you :). > Daniel > > On 6/6/05, babu wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I joined last week and received great help immediately. I am enjoying >> this informative and genteel list. >> >> Anyway, here's an interesting one: >> >> I am streaming with Icecast using a radio into line-in. It works fine, and >> the stream sounds great. However, I have been doing this for four years, >> and I often would like to listen to audio from the internet without the >> line-in sound in the background. These files do not play in the stream, so >> I don't mind listening to them on top of the line-in audio, but if I could >> block the line-in audio from reaching my headphones, I would be really >> happy. >> >> This is a windows XP box at work, so not my choice in OS. I have assumed >> this is not possible, but I have never asked anyone else about it before. >> >> Thanks, >> Tom >> _______________________________________________ >> Icecast mailing list >> Icecast at xiph.org >> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast >> > From davekm3t at gmail.com Tue Jun 7 23:07:31 2005 From: davekm3t at gmail.com (Dave Pascoe) Date: Tue, 7 Jun 2005 19:07:31 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] How to reach listeners behind corporate firewall In-Reply-To: <42A35657.5060606@kvark.hu> References: <42A35657.5060606@kvark.hu> Message-ID: <74df4ca005060716073675c401@mail.gmail.com> > 2. If you run a webserver on the 80 port, you can set up the webserver > to relay the stream through it. If you use apache, you need something > like this in your httpd.conf: > > > ServerName stream.company.com > ErrorLog /var/log/apache/stream_error.log > CustomLog /var/log/apache/stream_access.log combined > ProxyPass / http://127.0.0.1:8000/ > ProxyPassReverse / http://127.0.0.1:8000/ > > > After this the users can connect to > http://stream.company.com:80/[stream_path]. > This case in the stream's log all connections come from 127.0.0.1, but > the original IP addresses are recorded in the apache's log. This solution works well, but I wanted to note one thing I discovered when testing it. You need to open the URL in the media player for this to work. If you hyperlink to, say: http://stream.company.com:80/[stream_path].m3u then the client will be redirected to http://icecast-host.company.com:8000/ -Dave Pascoe LiveATC.net From geoff at hitsandpieces.net Wed Jun 8 01:34:23 2005 From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:34:23 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] How to reach listeners behind corporate firewall In-Reply-To: <74df4ca005060716073675c401@mail.gmail.com> References: <42A35657.5060606@kvark.hu> <74df4ca005060716073675c401@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Dave Pascoe wrote: > This solution works well, but I wanted to note one thing I discovered > when testing it. You need to open the URL in the media player for > this to work. If you hyperlink to, say: > > http://stream.company.com:80/[stream_path].m3u > > then the client will be redirected to http://icecast-host.company.com:8000/ You could fix the host part by changing the hostname in Icecast, but that wouldn't solve the port issue. Probably the best way would be to make your own .M3U file which points to the right place. Geoff. From geoff at hitsandpieces.net Wed Jun 8 01:36:19 2005 From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:36:19 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] Icecast RTP support In-Reply-To: <3c17372105060702323cf301a1@mail.gmail.com> References: <76245630050607010548900915@mail.gmail.com> <3c17372105060702323cf301a1@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Hi, The RTP specs are still being hammered out. I know some people are working on implementations, but no-one on Icecast as far as I know. The RTP discussions are taking place on the xiph-rtp mailing list, and I think the latest drafts are in SVN. Geoff. -- Geoff Shang Phone: +61-418-96-5590 MSN: geoff at acbradio.org Make sure your E-mail can be read by everyone! http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From geoff at hitsandpieces.net Wed Jun 8 01:38:57 2005 From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:38:57 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] dueling audio In-Reply-To: <56755a7050606214513a762c2@mail.gmail.com> References: <1118068496.21673.8095.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <56755a7050606214513a762c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: Daniel Ballenger wrote: > Easy, open up the volume control panel and turn the line in down/mute it I wouldn't fiddle with the fader as some cards use the same setting for playback and record level. But you should be able to mute it just fine by checking the mute checkbox for the line in. Geoff. From thomconlon at comcast.net Sun Jun 5 16:08:37 2005 From: thomconlon at comcast.net (Thomas Conlon) Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2005 11:08:37 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] refresh Message-ID: <000201c569e8$d868c080$6501a8c0@ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net> Hello all, Is it possible to "refresh" the status web page when the song changes. The current web page stays on the same song. Thanks, New to Icecast -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rdh at samuisystems.com Mon Jun 6 16:36:49 2005 From: rdh at samuisystems.com (Randolph Hill) Date: Mon, 6 Jun 2005 09:36:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Icecast] 3GPP and 3Gpp2 Support Message-ID: <20050606163649.99882.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Are there any plans to provide support to stream to cellphones ? If my understanding is correct, this requires 3Gpp, RTP/RTSP support. I see that apple has a stream server for this. Randy From jacek at dharmanews.org Tue Jun 7 20:01:25 2005 From: jacek at dharmanews.org (jacek rosa) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 16:01:25 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Installation trouble? Message-ID: Hi, I downloaded icecast (thank you very much) but get the error: configure: error: XSLT configuration could not be found When running ./configure Any help would be much appriciated Thanx jack -- Jacek Rosa Front Office Karma Triyana Dharmachakra 335 Meads Mountain Road Woodstock, NY 12498 Tel. 845.679.5906 ext.11 Fax 845.679.4625 www.kagyu.org email: jacek at kagyu.org ALOHA From greg at orban.com Wed Jun 8 01:45:46 2005 From: greg at orban.com (Greg J. Ogonowski) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:45:46 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] 3GPP and 3Gpp2 Support In-Reply-To: <20050606163649.99882.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050606163649.99882.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050607184330.167956e0@66.220.31.130> This also requires AAC/aacPlus. Most of the new multimedia phones will be shipping with this codec. -greg. At 09:36 2005-06-06, Randolph Hill wrote: >Are there any plans to provide support to stream to cellphones ? >If my understanding is correct, this requires 3Gpp, RTP/RTSP support. > >I see that apple has a stream server for this. > > > >Randy >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast at xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast __________________________________________________________________________ Greg J. Ogonowski VP Product Development ORBAN / CRL, Inc. 1525 Alvarado St. San Leandro, CA 94577 USA TEL +1 510 351-3500 FAX +1 510 351-0500 greg at orban.com http://www.orban.com From karl at xiph.org Wed Jun 8 01:59:35 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 08 Jun 2005 02:59:35 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] refresh In-Reply-To: <000201c569e8$d868c080$6501a8c0@ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net> References: <000201c569e8$d868c080$6501a8c0@ebrnsw01.nj.comcast.net> Message-ID: <1118195974.21673.8197.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 17:08, Thomas Conlon wrote: > Hello all, > > Is it possible to "refresh" the status web page when the song changes. > The current web page stays on the same song. yes, but those refreshes are initiated by the client browser on a timed duration. You could add a http/html style refresh onto the status.xsl page if you want eg You have to decide on what duration to use. karl. From karl at xiph.org Wed Jun 8 02:11:14 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 08 Jun 2005 03:11:14 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] Installation trouble? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118196674.21673.8209.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 21:01, jacek rosa wrote: > Hi, > > I downloaded icecast (thank you very much) but get the error: > > configure: error: XSLT configuration could not be found > > When running ./configure > > Any help would be much appriciated certainly, the docs say you need some prerequisites, libxslt being one of them, but you do not have the necessary development package installed or it is installed in an unusual place. Configure cannot find the xslt-config and flags this message. The fix, of course, is to installed the pre-requisites. The usual problem is that only the run-time package is installed with most distributions use some package name like libxslt-dev or libxslt-devel to indicate the development part. karl. From riddler at wireless-nation.com Wed Jun 8 03:13:49 2005 From: riddler at wireless-nation.com (Riddler) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:13:49 +0800 Subject: [Icecast] 3GPP and 3Gpp2 Support References: <20050606163649.99882.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00de01c56bd8$17d32a30$c801a8c0@riddler> Hi, In HK some 3G phones(PDA built-in) do support mp3, although mp3 is not good enough for 3G network. Regards, Riddler ---- Original Message ---- From: "Randolph Hill" To: Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:36 AM Subject: [Icecast] 3GPP and 3Gpp2 Support > Are there any plans to provide support to stream to cellphones ? > If my understanding is correct, this requires 3Gpp, RTP/RTSP support. > > I see that apple has a stream server for this. > > > > Randy > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From lpmusix at gmail.com Wed Jun 8 05:37:27 2005 From: lpmusix at gmail.com (Daniel Ballenger) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 05:37:27 +0000 Subject: [Icecast] dueling audio In-Reply-To: References: <1118068496.21673.8095.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <56755a7050606214513a762c2@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <56755a7050607223777ddfb88@mail.gmail.com> I guess it's a good thing I don't have cheap sound card. That's good to know though :). -Daniel On 6/8/05, Geoff Shang wrote: > Daniel Ballenger wrote: > > > Easy, open up the volume control panel and turn the line in down/mute it > > I wouldn't fiddle with the fader as some cards use the same setting for > playback and record level. But you should be able to mute it just fine by > checking the mute checkbox for the line in. > > Geoff. > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > From greg at orban.com Wed Jun 8 06:13:28 2005 From: greg at orban.com (Greg J. Ogonowski) Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 23:13:28 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] 3GPP and 3Gpp2 Support In-Reply-To: <00de01c56bd8$17d32a30$c801a8c0@riddler> References: <20050606163649.99882.qmail@web14608.mail.yahoo.com> <00de01c56bd8$17d32a30$c801a8c0@riddler> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050607225248.16a60210@66.220.31.130> Correct. Although the MP3 support is mainly for playing local files. As you say, for high quality streams, 128kbps is required, and that's pretty tough on most 3G networks. Even 64kbps is pushing it on some. There are some players that support HTTP/ICY MP3 and ogg streams such as Pocket Tunes for Palm and CoreCodec BetaPlayer (soon to be renamed) for Windows CE and Smartphones. CoreCodec BetaPlayer is about to be the most powerful players in this class. Watch this one: a new release soon. Currently both of these players must be downloaded to the phone by the user, as these players currently only support HTTP/ICY streams, which is not the standards-based format for 3G devices. RTSP/RTP and AAC/aacPlus is the format that is used on most mobile devices "out-of-the-box" to achieve high quality at low bit rates. Then there is the issue of mobile networks allowing open RTSP/RTP streams, as not all do. HTTP/ICY streams are almost always guaranteed to work, but the players usually need to be user installed, which is not necessarily for the masses. -greg. At 20:13 2005-06-07, Riddler wrote: >Hi, > > In HK some 3G phones(PDA built-in) do support mp3, although mp3 is not > good enough for 3G network. > >Regards, >Riddler > > >---- Original Message ---- >From: "Randolph Hill" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, June 07, 2005 12:36 AM >Subject: [Icecast] 3GPP and 3Gpp2 Support > >>Are there any plans to provide support to stream to cellphones ? >>If my understanding is correct, this requires 3Gpp, RTP/RTSP support. >> >>I see that apple has a stream server for this. >> >> >> >>Randy >>_______________________________________________ >>Icecast mailing list >>Icecast at xiph.org >>http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast at xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast __________________________________________________________________________ Greg J. Ogonowski VP Product Development ORBAN / CRL, Inc. 1525 Alvarado St. San Leandro, CA 94577 USA TEL +1 510 351-3500 FAX +1 510 351-0500 greg at orban.com http://www.orban.com From karl at xiph.org Wed Jun 8 11:54:40 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 08 Jun 2005 12:54:40 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118231678.21673.8214.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 13:44, Fred Black wrote: > Thanks, > Is there anyway to get a pre 2.3 compiled version of this for Windows? oddsock has been kind enough to built one, try http://www.oddsock.org/icecast/icecast2_win32_2.2.0_06072005_setup.exe and let us know karl. From fred at batanga.com Wed Jun 8 15:34:53 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:34:53 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: <1118231678.21673.8214.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: I tested it this morning and here are my findings: 1) The Intro tag causes Real Player to give an error that the stream "contains unexpected data and may be corrupt". It does not play with the Intro tag in the mount point. If I remove the Intro tag the stream plays, and, the Real Player noise caused by meta-data is gone and the meta-data updates work. 2) The Intro plays in iTunes and switches over to the stream when the Intro has finished. The meta-data updates work. 4) The Intro works in Windows Media Player and when the intro if finished, it switches over to the stream. Meta-data updates do not appear to work with WMP. Thank you, Fred -----Original Message----- From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:55 AM To: Fred Black Cc: 'icecast' Subject: RE: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 13:44, Fred Black wrote: > Thanks, > Is there anyway to get a pre 2.3 compiled version of this for Windows? oddsock has been kind enough to built one, try http://www.oddsock.org/icecast/icecast2_win32_2.2.0_06072005_setup.exe and let us know karl. From fred at batanga.com Wed Jun 8 15:50:57 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 11:50:57 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: <1118231678.21673.8214.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: I forgot to add: 5) The Intro plays in winAmp and switches over to the stream when the Intro has finished. The meta-data updates work. Fred -----Original Message----- From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2005 7:55 AM To: Fred Black Cc: 'icecast' Subject: RE: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise On Tue, 2005-06-07 at 13:44, Fred Black wrote: > Thanks, > Is there anyway to get a pre 2.3 compiled version of this for Windows? oddsock has been kind enough to built one, try http://www.oddsock.org/icecast/icecast2_win32_2.2.0_06072005_setup.exe and let us know karl. From karl at xiph.org Wed Jun 8 16:05:17 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 08 Jun 2005 17:05:17 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118246716.7577.26.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 16:34, Fred Black wrote: > I tested it this morning and here are my findings: cheers > 1) The Intro tag causes Real Player to give an error that the stream > "contains unexpected data and may be corrupt". It does not play with the > Intro tag in the mount point. If I remove the Intro tag the stream plays, > and, the Real Player noise caused by meta-data is gone and the meta-data > updates work. > > 2) The Intro plays in iTunes and switches over to the stream when the Intro > has finished. The meta-data updates work. > > 4) The Intro works in Windows Media Player and when the intro if finished, > it switches over to the stream. Meta-data updates do not appear to work > with WMP. I don't think WMP requests the metadata, and if a listener does not request it then we have to assume it cannot handle it, after all the metadata breaks the mp3 spec. I committed the fix for realplayer after the intro file update, so I suspect you are seeing a similar thing with intro files as you did before. At least we know the cause, and it seems like real is the only one suffering from it currently. I'll look into the intro metadata. karl. From greg at orban.com Wed Jun 8 16:08:50 2005 From: greg at orban.com (Greg J. Ogonowski) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 09:08:50 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: <1118246716.7577.26.camel@bogus.hackers.club> References: <1118246716.7577.26.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <6.2.1.2.2.20050608090605.172a7d28@66.220.31.130> Two other players that I am aware of that have Icecast2 issues have been VLC and CoreCodec BetaPlayer. I have been in contact with both developer paths and set up test streams for them in an attempt to get this fixed. CoreCodec is in the process of making the necessary changes. I do not know about VLC. I was never able to get confirmation. -greg. At 09:05 2005-06-08, Karl Heyes wrote: >On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 16:34, Fred Black wrote: > > I tested it this morning and here are my findings: > >cheers > > > 1) The Intro tag causes Real Player to give an error that the stream > > "contains unexpected data and may be corrupt". It does not play with the > > Intro tag in the mount point. If I remove the Intro tag the stream plays, > > and, the Real Player noise caused by meta-data is gone and the meta-data > > updates work. > > > > 2) The Intro plays in iTunes and switches over to the stream when the Intro > > has finished. The meta-data updates work. > > > > 4) The Intro works in Windows Media Player and when the intro if finished, > > it switches over to the stream. Meta-data updates do not appear to work > > with WMP. > >I don't think WMP requests the metadata, and if a listener does not >request it then we have to assume it cannot handle it, after all the >metadata breaks the mp3 spec. > >I committed the fix for realplayer after the intro file update, so I >suspect you are seeing a similar thing with intro files as you did >before. At least we know the cause, and it seems like real is the only >one suffering from it currently. I'll look into the intro metadata. > >karl. > >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast at xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast __________________________________________________________________________ Greg J. Ogonowski VP Product Development ORBAN / CRL, Inc. 1525 Alvarado St. San Leandro, CA 94577 USA TEL +1 510 351-3500 FAX +1 510 351-0500 greg at orban.com http://www.orban.com From karl at xiph.org Wed Jun 8 16:16:08 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 08 Jun 2005 17:16:08 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: <6.2.1.2.2.20050608090605.172a7d28@66.220.31.130> References: <1118246716.7577.26.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <6.2.1.2.2.20050608090605.172a7d28@66.220.31.130> Message-ID: <1118247368.7577.31.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 17:08, Greg J. Ogonowski wrote: > Two other players that I am aware of that have Icecast2 issues have been > VLC and CoreCodec BetaPlayer. I have been in contact with both developer > paths and set up test streams for them in an attempt to get this fixed. > > CoreCodec is in the process of making the necessary changes. I do not know > about VLC. I was never able to get confirmation. thanks. VLC has had issues with the burst on connection, whether that is fixed or not I don't know. If it hasn't been fixed then I should imagine that intro files will trigger a problem as well. karl. From tv at wfhb.org Wed Jun 8 17:15:40 2005 From: tv at wfhb.org (babu) Date: Wed, 8 Jun 2005 12:15:40 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] dueling audio In-Reply-To: <56755a7050607223777ddfb88@mail.gmail.com> References: <1118068496.21673.8095.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <56755a7050606214513a762c2@mail.gmail.com> <56755a7050607223777ddfb88@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: following up, I was able to use the slider and the mute without affecting the input. You have a sound card??? This Dell box just uses SoundMax Digital Audio, no card. It keeps the machine cheap, but it works fine. Who knows, maybe it's better. Funny thing is that the audio device is listed as PCI, but I suppose the jacks have to hop on that bus to get to the CPU. No matter, not really relevant to the list. Thanks again, Tom On Wed, 8 Jun 2005, Daniel Ballenger wrote: > I guess it's a good thing I don't have cheap sound card. That's good > to know though :). > > -Daniel > On 6/8/05, Geoff Shang wrote: >> Daniel Ballenger wrote: >> >>> Easy, open up the volume control panel and turn the line in down/mute it >> >> I wouldn't fiddle with the fader as some cards use the same setting for >> playback and record level. But you should be able to mute it just fine by >> checking the mute checkbox for the line in. >> >> Geoff. From schmidtma at missouri.edu Wed Jun 8 19:02:28 2005 From: schmidtma at missouri.edu (Matthew Schmidt) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 14:02:28 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] Installation and Configuration Issues Message-ID: <42A740C4.5070504@missouri.edu> Hi group, FYI, I have successfully installed and ran icecast1 on my home Debian machine. I am now attempting to create a production server with icecast2 for MP3 streaming of some educational radio shows that we produce here. I'm running into some snags. I have gotten icecast2 installed. However, when I go to the status page (http://localhost:8000/status.xsl), I get served a page, but there are no stats on the page. There is also nothing on the mounts page. When I go to the admin page (http://localhost:8000/admin/), I get some very odd stats. Every time I refresh the page, the "client_connections" and "clients" stats increase. However, the "clients" stat stays at 0, as does everything else. A "ps -ef" shows that icecast2 is running. When I initially did a netstat after installing the server, port 8000 was not open. I changed iptables to open this up. Don't know if that helps or not. I have tried to connect to the server using the xmms plugin with no luck. For what it's worth, here are the last 25 lines of my access and error logs. If you can point me in the right direction, I am extremely grateful. I'm pretty frustrated, as I have reached the end of my expertise here. error log: [2005-06-08 08:55:07] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node connections (35) [2005-06-08 08:55:07] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node client_connections (35) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node clients (1) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node clients (0) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node connections (36) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node client_connections (36) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node connections (37) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node client_connections (37) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node connections (38) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node client_connections (38) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node clients (1) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node clients (2) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node clients (3) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node clients (2) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node clients (1) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node clients (0) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node connections (39) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node client_connections (39) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node connections (40) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node client_connections (40) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node clients (1) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node clients (2) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node clients (1) [2005-06-08 08:55:08] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node clients (0) [2005-06-08 08:55:16] DBUG slave/_slave_thread checking master stream list access log: 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:49:41 -0500] "GET /icecast.png HTTP/1.1" 200 5154"http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:49:47 -0500] "GET /admin/listmounts.xsl HTTP/1.1"200 44 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:49:49 -0500] "GET /admin/moveclients.xsl HTTP/1.1" 200 44 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/listmounts.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:49:51 -0500] "GET /admin/stats.xsl HTTP/1.1" 200 44 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/moveclients.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:49:53 -0500] "GET /status.xsl HTTP/1.1" 200 44 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:54:19 -0500] "GET /style.css HTTP/1.1" 200 4063 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 1 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:54:19 -0500] "GET /corner_topright.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 8232 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:54:19 -0500] "GET /corner_bottomright.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 8236 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:54:19 -0500] "GET /corner_topleft.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 8230 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:54:19 -0500] "GET /corner_bottomleft.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 8245 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:54:19 -0500] "GET /icecast.png HTTP/1.1" 200 5154"http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:54:51 -0500] "GET /admin/stats.xsl HTTP/1.1" 200 44 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/moveclients.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:54:51 -0500] "GET /style.css HTTP/1.1" 200 4063 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:54:52 -0500] "GET /corner_topright.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 8232 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:54:52 -0500] "GET /corner_bottomright.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 8236 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:54:52 -0500] "GET /corner_topleft.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 8230 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:54:52 -0500] "GET /corner_bottomleft.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 8245 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:54:52 -0500] "GET /icecast.png HTTP/1.1" 200 5154"http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:55:07 -0500] "GET /admin/stats.xsl HTTP/1.1" 200 44 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/moveclients.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:55:07 -0500] "GET /style.css HTTP/1.1" 200 4063 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:55:08 -0500] "GET /corner_topright.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 8232 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 1 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:55:08 -0500] "GET /corner_bottomright.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 8236 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:55:08 -0500] "GET /corner_topleft.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 8230 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:55:08 -0500] "GET /corner_bottomleft.jpg HTTP/1.1" 200 8245 "http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [08/Jun/2005:08:55:08 -0500] "GET /icecast.png HTTP/1.1" 200 5154"http://localhost.localdomain:8000/admin/stats.xsl" "Mozilla/5.0 (compatible; Konqueror/3.3; Linux) KHTML/3.3.2 (like Gecko)" 0 -- Kind Regards, Matthew Schmidt ########################################################## # Matthew Schmidt # Coordinator of Technology Innovations # The Center for Technology Innovations in Education # School of Information Science and Learning Technologies # University of Missouri - Columbia # 111 London Hall # Tel: (573) 882-0872 # Fax: # E-Mail: schmidtma at missouri.edu # Web: http://csps.missouri.edu ########################################################## -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff at hitsandpieces.net Thu Jun 9 00:36:53 2005 From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:36:53 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] Installation and Configuration Issues In-Reply-To: <42A740C4.5070504@missouri.edu> References: <42A740C4.5070504@missouri.edu> Message-ID: Hi, Please don't send HTML to the list. Matthew Schmidt wrote: > I have gotten icecast2 installed. However, when I go to the status page > (http://localhost:8000/status.xsl), I get served a page, but there are no > stats on the page. There is also nothing on the mounts page. When I go to the > admin page (http://localhost:8000/admin/), I get some very odd stats. Every > time I refresh the page, the "client_connections" and "clients" stats > increase. However, the "clients" stat stays at 0, as does everything else. Looks like you've got no streams connected. There's not even any references to an attempt in the logs you sent, which suggests that connection attempts are not getting as far as Icecast. Geoff. From matthew.schmidt at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 00:51:05 2005 From: matthew.schmidt at gmail.com (Matthew Schmidt) Date: Wed, 08 Jun 2005 19:51:05 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] Installation and Configuration Issues In-Reply-To: References: <42A740C4.5070504@missouri.edu> Message-ID: <42A79279.7030607@gmail.com> > Looks like you've got no streams connected. There's not even any > references to an attempt in the logs you sent, which suggests that > connection attempts are not getting as far as Icecast. > I'll send more logs then. There are so many connection attempts in the logs (hence the increasing amount of apparent client connections on the stats page) that the actual attempts I have made with the XMMS plugin and the Winamp plugin are not visible when I execute the tail command on the logs. I'll get that to the list first thing tomorrow. Thanks for the feedback. Matt From listreader at rambler.ru Thu Jun 9 12:38:32 2005 From: listreader at rambler.ru (Alexander A. Vlasov) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 15:38:32 +0300 Subject: [Icecast] Relay-only icecast with no encoders. Message-ID: <20050609123832.GA8124@zulu.gala> Hello. Let me describe my situation. In Ukraine traffic to outside world costs much more than ukrainian trafiic, so I want to save my money and make "mirror" stream server. I set up icecast 1.3 server in USA and now I want to relay stream. Encoder connects to my ukrainian server and sends stream, and users are able to listen; now I want users to be able to connect to US mirror and listen same stream. I just set up alias like alias / http://195.245.80.76:8000/ but after connection and requesting `GET / HTTP/1.0' I receive error 404: stream not found. In logs I see [4:Connection Handler] Kicking unknown 0 [127.0.0.1] [No encoder], connected for 7 seconds But I have no need in encoder! Default stream should be just an alias to my ukrainian server. Any ideas how can I fix it? PS. Appropriate parts of config: mount_fallback 1 port 8000 port 8001 server_name dynamic force_servername 0 client_timeout -1 kick_clients 0 alias / http://195.245.80.76:8000/ kick_relays 100 transparent_proxy 0 allow client * allow admin 195.245.81.26 allow admin 195.245.80.26 allow admin 127.0.0.1 allow source 195.245.81.26 allow source 195.245.80.26 allow source 195.245.80.76 -- WBR, Alexander A. Vlasov +38(039)2476081 From karl at xiph.org Thu Jun 9 13:55:40 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 09 Jun 2005 14:55:40 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1118325338.7577.37.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 16:34, Fred Black wrote: > I tested it this morning and here are my findings: > > 1) The Intro tag causes Real Player to give an error that the stream > "contains unexpected data and may be corrupt". It does not play with the > Intro tag in the mount point. If I remove the Intro tag the stream plays, > and, the Real Player noise caused by meta-data is gone and the meta-data > updates work. I've committed a fix for sending StreamTitle in mp3 metadata with intro files. That should resolve realplayer (and whatever else) having the problem. karl. From fred at batanga.com Thu Jun 9 14:01:40 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 10:01:40 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: <1118325338.7577.37.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: Thank you! Do you think oddSock will be nice enough to build another Windows executable? Fred -----Original Message----- From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:56 AM To: Fred Black Cc: 'icecast' Subject: RE: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 16:34, Fred Black wrote: > I tested it this morning and here are my findings: > > 1) The Intro tag causes Real Player to give an error that the stream > "contains unexpected data and may be corrupt". It does not play with the > Intro tag in the mount point. If I remove the Intro tag the stream plays, > and, the Real Player noise caused by meta-data is gone and the meta-data > updates work. I've committed a fix for sending StreamTitle in mp3 metadata with intro files. That should resolve realplayer (and whatever else) having the problem. karl. From mlrsmith at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 17:12:22 2005 From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 19:12:22 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Relay-only icecast with no encoders. In-Reply-To: <20050609123832.GA8124@zulu.gala> References: <20050609123832.GA8124@zulu.gala> Message-ID: <3c17372105060910123bb3dfaf@mail.gmail.com> Icecast 1.x is unsupported and deprecated. If you have any difficulties getting this working with icecast 2.2, please let us know and we'll help you in any way we can. Mike On 6/9/05, Alexander A. Vlasov wrote: > Hello. > > Let me describe my situation. In Ukraine traffic to outside world costs > much more than ukrainian trafiic, so I want to save my money and make > "mirror" stream server. > I set up icecast 1.3 server in USA and now I want to relay stream. > Encoder connects to my ukrainian server and sends stream, and users are > able to listen; now I want users to be able to connect to US mirror and > listen same stream. > I just set up alias like > alias / http://195.245.80.76:8000/ > but after connection and requesting `GET / HTTP/1.0' I receive error > 404: stream not found. In logs I see > [4:Connection Handler] Kicking unknown 0 [127.0.0.1] [No encoder], > connected for 7 seconds > > But I have no need in encoder! Default stream should be just an alias to > my ukrainian server. > Any ideas how can I fix it? > > PS. Appropriate parts of config: > > mount_fallback 1 > port 8000 > port 8001 > server_name dynamic > force_servername 0 > client_timeout -1 > kick_clients 0 > alias / http://195.245.80.76:8000/ > kick_relays 100 > transparent_proxy 0 > allow client * > allow admin 195.245.81.26 > allow admin 195.245.80.26 > allow admin 127.0.0.1 > allow source 195.245.81.26 > allow source 195.245.80.26 > allow source 195.245.80.76 > > > -- > WBR, Alexander A. Vlasov > +38(039)2476081 > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > From oddsock at oddsock.org Fri Jun 10 03:30:40 2005 From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock) Date: Thu, 09 Jun 2005 22:30:40 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: References: <1118325338.7577.37.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050609222914.03228cb8@www.oddsock.org> win32 build as of today (actually this morning - US central time ;) ) http://www.oddsock.org/icecast/icecast2_win32_2.2.0_06082005_setup.exe oddsock At 09:01 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote: >Thank you! >Do you think oddSock will be nice enough to build another Windows >executable? > >Fred > >-----Original Message----- >From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:56 AM >To: Fred Black >Cc: 'icecast' >Subject: RE: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise > >On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 16:34, Fred Black wrote: > > I tested it this morning and here are my findings: > > > > 1) The Intro tag causes Real Player to give an error that the stream > > "contains unexpected data and may be corrupt". It does not play with the > > Intro tag in the mount point. If I remove the Intro tag the stream plays, > > and, the Real Player noise caused by meta-data is gone and the meta-data > > updates work. > >I've committed a fix for sending StreamTitle in mp3 metadata with intro >files. That should resolve realplayer (and whatever else) having the >problem. > >karl. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast at xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From supernico at gmail.com Thu Jun 9 21:16:20 2005 From: supernico at gmail.com (nico) Date: Thu, 9 Jun 2005 23:16:20 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Issue with Icecast / Ices0 Message-ID: Hi, I have a question concerning the behavior of ices under my system. After a month of constant streaming (with or without people listening) the ices process own over 12k of open files ! In short, after a month my system is down because of "too many open files" due to ices. Is this a normal behavior ? Is the fact that I'm using tunez (tunez.sf.net) can be related ? thanks nico From kc at ih.unsw.edu.au Fri Jun 10 07:41:59 2005 From: kc at ih.unsw.edu.au (Kelvin Chu) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:41:59 +1000 Subject: [Icecast] icecast1 documentation Message-ID: <42A94447.6040401@ih.unsw.edu.au> Hi guys, Can anyone point me to some good icecast1 documentation? I looked on the icecast.org website, but the /docs link only list the icecast2 documentation now and the whole site is void of icecast1 documentation... Using icecast1 instead of icecast2 because I need on-demand-streaming... Thanks, Kelv From geoff at hitsandpieces.net Fri Jun 10 08:12:32 2005 From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:12:32 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] icecast1 documentation In-Reply-To: <42A94447.6040401@ih.unsw.edu.au> References: <42A94447.6040401@ih.unsw.edu.au> Message-ID: Kelvin Chu wrote: > Can anyone point me to some good icecast1 documentation? I looked on the > icecast.org website, but the /docs link only list the icecast2 documentation > now and the whole site is void of icecast1 documentation... This is because Icecast 1.x is deprecated and no longer supported. > Using icecast1 instead of icecast2 because I need on-demand-streaming... You can do on-demand streaming with Icecast 2, just as easily as you can do it with a webserver. As for documentation, I have a file called manual.html which is presumably from the Icecast 1.x distribution. I can send it to you if it's not and you still want it. But I strongly recommend Icecast 2. Geoff. From kc at ih.unsw.edu.au Fri Jun 10 08:17:08 2005 From: kc at ih.unsw.edu.au (Kelvin Chu) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:17:08 +1000 Subject: [Icecast] icecast1 documentation In-Reply-To: References: <42A94447.6040401@ih.unsw.edu.au> Message-ID: <42A94C84.3090802@ih.unsw.edu.au> Hi Geoff, I'm a bit confused... After reading the docs, I was under the impression that icecast2 does not do on demand relaying? I did a google search, found this (well, it's a year ago) http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/2004-February/006555.html Also, in the relaying section of the icecast documentation: http://www.icecast.org/docs/icecast-2.2.0/icecast2_relay.html There was no references to aliasing anymore, nor on-demand broadcasting And quoting the documentation on the relaying section: "When the slave server is started, it will connect to the master server located at 192.168.1.11:8001 and will begin to relay only the mountpoint specified" That gave me the impression that it's not really on-demand Could anyone clarify the situation? :-) Thanks! Kelvin Geoff Shang wrote: > Kelvin Chu wrote: > >> Can anyone point me to some good icecast1 documentation? I looked on >> the icecast.org website, but the /docs link only list the icecast2 >> documentation now and the whole site is void of icecast1 >> documentation... > > This is because Icecast 1.x is deprecated and no longer supported. > >> Using icecast1 instead of icecast2 because I need on-demand-streaming... > > You can do on-demand streaming with Icecast 2, just as easily as you > can do it with a webserver. > > As for documentation, I have a file called manual.html which is > presumably from the Icecast 1.x distribution. I can send it to you if > it's not and you still want it. But I strongly recommend Icecast 2. > > Geoff. > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From geoff at hitsandpieces.net Fri Jun 10 08:22:19 2005 From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:22:19 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] Relay-only icecast with no encoders. In-Reply-To: <20050609123832.GA8124@zulu.gala> References: <20050609123832.GA8124@zulu.gala> Message-ID: Alexander A. Vlasov wrote: > I just set up alias like > alias / http://195.245.80.76:8000/ > but after connection and requesting `GET / HTTP/1.0' I receive error > 404: stream not found. In logs I see > [4:Connection Handler] Kicking unknown 0 [127.0.0.1] [No encoder], > connected for 7 seconds First, as has already been said, Icecast 1.x is deprecated and is no longer supported. And for those wanting on-demand relays, this code was just commited to SVN so expect it in the next release. I've got this old manual lying around, and it has the following to say which might be helpful: Prior to the 1.3.8 release, the requested stream URL had to match the alias exactly, using the server_name as the host part of the URL. For instance, if you added: alias add /cool http://cool.co:8000/cool, then if a user requested http://your.server.name:8000/cool then it would work fine, but if he requested http://localhost:8000/cool or http://your:8000/cool or perhaps the ip, it wouldn't work at all. Starting with 1.3.8, you can specify the keyword 'whatever' as host, and thus match all hosts in the request, like so: alias add http://whatever:8000/cool http://cool.co:8000/cool. Geoff. From geoff at hitsandpieces.net Fri Jun 10 08:30:16 2005 From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 18:30:16 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] icecast1 documentation In-Reply-To: <42A94C84.3090802@ih.unsw.edu.au> References: <42A94447.6040401@ih.unsw.edu.au> <42A94C84.3090802@ih.unsw.edu.au> Message-ID: Kelvin Chu wrote: > After reading the docs, I was under the impression that icecast2 does not do > on demand relaying? Oh, on demand *relaying*! different kettle of fish. On demand relaying is available in Karl's branch and has just been checked into the mainline development code. Geoff. From ml at imux.net Fri Jun 10 08:59:46 2005 From: ml at imux.net (ml) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 09:59:46 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] icecast1 documentation In-Reply-To: References: <42A94447.6040401@ih.unsw.edu.au> <42A94C84.3090802@ih.unsw.edu.au> Message-ID: <42A95682.9010808@imux.net> Geoff Shang wrote: > Kelvin Chu wrote: > >> After reading the docs, I was under the impression that icecast2 does >> not do on demand relaying? > > > Oh, on demand *relaying*! different kettle of fish. > > On demand relaying is available in Karl's branch and has just been > checked into the mainline development code. > > Geoff. > Tarballs of Karl's branch can be found at http://mediacast1.com/~karl/ Stephen LiveIce Project http://liveice.sf.net/ From hick.icecast at gink.org Fri Jun 10 09:11:00 2005 From: hick.icecast at gink.org (gARetH baBB) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:11:00 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Icecast] icecast1 documentation In-Reply-To: <42A95682.9010808@imux.net> References: <42A94447.6040401@ih.unsw.edu.au> <42A94C84.3090802@ih.unsw.edu.au> <42A95682.9010808@imux.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, ml wrote: > Tarballs of Karl's branch can be found at http://mediacast1.com/~karl/ I wouldn't recommend kh8 or kh9 - I'm going down trying them until I hit kh3 (the last one I know works) or I find one that doesn't have problems with on-demand relaying. Most of the time it doesn't actually manage to do the relay (ending up with a timeout and/or a 404), and there are other oddities I'm finding it hard to pin down. kh9 has the added nasty bug over kh8 in that it doesn't seem to count relay listeners properly - so it never increases listeners above 0 to decrease them to 0 again and thus kill the on-demand relay, so relays started never stop. I've only just started looking at this in the past half hour, so unsure what exactly is happening. Now to try kh7 ... As said, I know kh3 definately works, as that is what I was using before I decided to look at later ones. Karl ? From hick.icecast at gink.org Fri Jun 10 09:23:05 2005 From: hick.icecast at gink.org (gARetH baBB) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 10:23:05 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Icecast] icecast1 documentation In-Reply-To: References: <42A94447.6040401@ih.unsw.edu.au> <42A94C84.3090802@ih.unsw.edu.au> <42A95682.9010808@imux.net> Message-ID: On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, gARetH baBB wrote: > As said, I know kh3 definately works, as that is what I was using before I > decided to look at later ones. I ended up on 6a working for me (so far). From karl at xiph.org Fri Jun 10 13:51:41 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 10 Jun 2005 14:51:41 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] icecast1 documentation In-Reply-To: References: <42A94447.6040401@ih.unsw.edu.au> <42A94C84.3090802@ih.unsw.edu.au> <42A95682.9010808@imux.net> Message-ID: <1118411499.7577.169.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Fri, 2005-06-10 at 10:11, gARetH baBB wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, ml wrote: > > > Tarballs of Karl's branch can be found at http://mediacast1.com/~karl/ > > I wouldn't recommend kh8 or kh9 - I'm going down trying them until I hit > kh3 (the last one I know works) or I find one that doesn't have problems > with on-demand relaying. you know, you could actually tell me about any issues that crop up, having a report like this under the subject of icecast1 documentation is easily missed. > Most of the time it doesn't actually manage to do the relay (ending up > with a timeout and/or a 404), and there are other oddities I'm finding it > hard to pin down. on-demand relays can fail with those cases, if the source of the relay is not available. Again specifics will help, I've had little in the way of reports of problems. > kh9 has the added nasty bug over kh8 in that it doesn't seem to count > relay listeners properly - so it never increases listeners above 0 to > decrease them to 0 again and thus kill the on-demand relay, so relays > started never stop. not stopping is a new one, if you have a test case for this then fine. I had removed the pending queue recently, and it looks like the count was off by 1. Fixed in svn now, I don't see the count not increasing and decreasing at all though, what is the case you're using. > I've only just started looking at this in the past half hour, so unsure > what exactly is happening. > > Now to try kh7 ... again, do let me know. might save you a lot of work. karl. From michael.rensing at shaw.ca Fri Jun 10 14:51:29 2005 From: michael.rensing at shaw.ca (Michael Rensing) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 07:51:29 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] Newbie questions Message-ID: <42A9A8F1.2080507@shaw.ca> Hello, Sorry for the newbie bandwidth, but I've read the docs I can find, and I'm still not clear on how this all should work. Could some kind soul take a few moments and help me get started? I've ripped my CD collection to MP3 format and put them on a Linux box. I have an iPaq with WiFi, and I want to use the Linux box as a jukebox to play whatever I want on the iPaq while I'm in wireless range. I tried mounting the share using Samba, but the player just bogs down with the number of tracks. I'm hoping that setting up a streaming server will give me what I want. -Can I play single tracks on demand, or will I have to set up playlists? If so, does anyone have any hints of what to do to set this up. I've installed icecast, and it appears to be running fine. However there was no sign of any audio. I figured out that I needed the streaming client, but got stuck there. My tunes are all in MP3, and I don't really want to re-encode them so that I can use Ices2. I tried to find a binary Ices0 for my Fedora 2 system, but no luck. Is there a better choice of streaming client? Preferrably one that lets me play individual tracks on demand... TIA Michael From kc at ih.unsw.edu.au Fri Jun 10 15:31:09 2005 From: kc at ih.unsw.edu.au (Kelvin Chu) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 01:31:09 +1000 Subject: [Icecast] icecast1 documentation In-Reply-To: References: <42A94447.6040401@ih.unsw.edu.au> <42A94C84.3090802@ih.unsw.edu.au> <42A95682.9010808@imux.net> Message-ID: <42A9B23D.3030604@ih.unsw.edu.au> Thanks Geoff and Gareth, and Karl too! Got icecast2 (karl-6a) installed right now and running happily :-) Planning to chuck roughly 30-40 users on this, if it dies, I'll file bug reports :-) Kelv gARetH baBB wrote: > On Fri, 10 Jun 2005, gARetH baBB wrote: > > >> As said, I know kh3 definately works, as that is what I was using before I >> decided to look at later ones. >> > > I ended up on 6a working for me (so far). > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > From fred at batanga.com Fri Jun 10 15:37:22 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 11:37:22 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050609222914.03228cb8@www.oddsock.org> Message-ID: Yes - it works! Thank you very much for your help. Real is very picky about the intro mp3, has to be encoded just right. I had one that iTunes and WMP would play but real would not. I re-encoded it with LAME encoder and it works in all 3. I think I still hear a little noise in the intro using Real, but not in the stream: the stream is correct. Fred -----Original Message----- From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On Behalf Of oddsock Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:31 PM To: icecast at xiph.org Subject: RE: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise win32 build as of today (actually this morning - US central time ;) ) http://www.oddsock.org/icecast/icecast2_win32_2.2.0_06082005_setup.exe oddsock At 09:01 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote: >Thank you! >Do you think oddSock will be nice enough to build another Windows >executable? > >Fred > >-----Original Message----- >From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:56 AM >To: Fred Black >Cc: 'icecast' >Subject: RE: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise > >On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 16:34, Fred Black wrote: > > I tested it this morning and here are my findings: > > > > 1) The Intro tag causes Real Player to give an error that the stream > > "contains unexpected data and may be corrupt". It does not play with the > > Intro tag in the mount point. If I remove the Intro tag the stream plays, > > and, the Real Player noise caused by meta-data is gone and the meta-data > > updates work. > >I've committed a fix for sending StreamTitle in mp3 metadata with intro >files. That should resolve realplayer (and whatever else) having the >problem. > >karl. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast at xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast _______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast at xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From phil at therigbys.org Fri Jun 10 17:13:21 2005 From: phil at therigbys.org (phil at therigbys.org) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 12:13:21 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] Changing info on Icecast "playing" page Message-ID: <1118423598.6098@gateway.therigbys.org> Is it possible to change the information that's displayed on the Icecast server status page? I'd like to at least add the length of a track. Also, what exactly is the http://:8000/admin/stats supposed to show? I just see xml code for the regular status page... Phil. From mlrsmith at gmail.com Fri Jun 10 17:22:02 2005 From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 19:22:02 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Changing info on Icecast "playing" page In-Reply-To: <1118423598.6098@gateway.therigbys.org> References: <1118423598.6098@gateway.therigbys.org> Message-ID: <3c17372105061010221c086e54@mail.gmail.com> On 6/10/05, phil at therigbys.org wrote: > Is it possible to change the information that's displayed on the Icecast server status page? I'd like to at least add the length of a track. Yes, you can change the xsl files to display any information you want to - but it has to be either hard-coded, or information that the icecast server knows. Icecast doesn't (and can't) know how long a track is. Icecast doesn't really even know WHAT a 'track' is. > > Also, what exactly is the http://:8000/admin/stats supposed to show? I just see xml code for the regular status page... That's what it's meant to have. The full XML includes more information than is usually displayed in the html output (though this depends on your XSL files). Mike From kc at ih.unsw.edu.au Fri Jun 10 20:27:57 2005 From: kc at ih.unsw.edu.au (Kelvin Chu) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 06:27:57 +1000 Subject: [Icecast] Changing info on Icecast "playing" page In-Reply-To: <3c17372105061010221c086e54@mail.gmail.com> References: <1118423598.6098@gateway.therigbys.org> <3c17372105061010221c086e54@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42A9F7CD.20306@ih.unsw.edu.au> Michael Smith wrote: > Icecast doesn't (and can't) know how long a track is. Icecast doesn't > really even know WHAT a 'track' is. I guess that could be passed by the software which is streaming the audio to Icecast (I mean, if a mp3 file is being streamed, if you can retrieve the ID3 info, there's no reason you can't retrieve the length of the song too right? Maybe that can be a feature that can be added to ices? :-) Kelv From phil at therigbys.org Fri Jun 10 21:34:42 2005 From: phil at therigbys.org (Phil Rigby) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 16:34:42 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] Changing info on Icecast "playing" page In-Reply-To: <42A9F7CD.20306@ih.unsw.edu.au> References: <1118423598.6098@gateway.therigbys.org> <3c17372105061010221c086e54@mail.gmail.com> <42A9F7CD.20306@ih.unsw.edu.au> Message-ID: <200506101634.43750.phil@therigbys.org> That's what I was thinking, pulling from the ID3 info. If you can give me a clue which file to hack and an idea of what to do, I'll attempt it myself... I'm not a coder though so I don't know where to start. On Friday 10 June 2005 03:27 pm, Kelvin Chu wrote: > Michael Smith wrote: > > Icecast doesn't (and can't) know how long a track is. Icecast doesn't > > really even know WHAT a 'track' is. > > I guess that could be passed by the software which is streaming the > audio to Icecast (I mean, if a mp3 file is being streamed, if you can > retrieve the ID3 info, there's no reason you can't retrieve the length > of the song too right? > > Maybe that can be a feature that can be added to ices? :-) > > Kelv From fred at batanga.com Fri Jun 10 21:52:09 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Fri, 10 Jun 2005 17:52:09 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.2.20050609222914.03228cb8@www.oddsock.org> Message-ID: Would this version have a problem with a master relay, both running this version? I can't seem to get a master relay to work. Fred -----Original Message----- From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On Behalf Of oddsock Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 11:31 PM To: icecast at xiph.org Subject: RE: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise win32 build as of today (actually this morning - US central time ;) ) http://www.oddsock.org/icecast/icecast2_win32_2.2.0_06082005_setup.exe oddsock At 09:01 AM 6/9/2005, you wrote: >Thank you! >Do you think oddSock will be nice enough to build another Windows >executable? > >Fred > >-----Original Message----- >From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] >Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 9:56 AM >To: Fred Black >Cc: 'icecast' >Subject: RE: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise > >On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 16:34, Fred Black wrote: > > I tested it this morning and here are my findings: > > > > 1) The Intro tag causes Real Player to give an error that the stream > > "contains unexpected data and may be corrupt". It does not play with the > > Intro tag in the mount point. If I remove the Intro tag the stream plays, > > and, the Real Player noise caused by meta-data is gone and the meta-data > > updates work. > >I've committed a fix for sending StreamTitle in mp3 metadata with intro >files. That should resolve realplayer (and whatever else) having the >problem. > >karl. > > > > >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast at xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast _______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast at xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From mlrsmith at gmail.com Sat Jun 11 11:40:28 2005 From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith) Date: Sat, 11 Jun 2005 13:40:28 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Changing info on Icecast "playing" page In-Reply-To: <42A9F7CD.20306@ih.unsw.edu.au> References: <1118423598.6098@gateway.therigbys.org> <3c17372105061010221c086e54@mail.gmail.com> <42A9F7CD.20306@ih.unsw.edu.au> Message-ID: <3c1737210506110440549e252@mail.gmail.com> On 6/10/05, Kelvin Chu wrote: > Michael Smith wrote: > > Icecast doesn't (and can't) know how long a track is. Icecast doesn't > > really even know WHAT a 'track' is. > I guess that could be passed by the software which is streaming the > audio to Icecast (I mean, if a mp3 file is being streamed, if you can > retrieve the ID3 info, there's no reason you can't retrieve the length > of the song too right? > > Maybe that can be a feature that can be added to ices? :-) There's no way to send that information over the protocol. If you wanted to hack something up, the easiest approach would be to make icecast call some external script on every metadata change, and insert the output of that script into the stats tree (then the xsl can get at it), then you just need to hook your script up to something that knows what ices is playing, and write out the length of that file. Mike From mckeehan at mckeehan.homeip.net Sun Jun 12 18:17:08 2005 From: mckeehan at mckeehan.homeip.net (William McKeehan) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 14:17:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Icecast] Newbie with problems on Debian Sarge Message-ID: <2444.192.168.1.205.1118600228.squirrel@192.168.1.205> I have a Debian Sarge box that I am trying to get icecast2 and ices2 up and running on. I'm having problems, but do not know where to look to identify the problem. I have my audio working with ALSA - microphone in plays through my audio out. I'm running a basic configuration using the defaults provided, and the ALSA example config file for ices. When I try to connect to the server using WinAmp, I hear nothing. I'm not sure where to start the debugging process. Any help would be appreciated. -- William McKeehan KI4HDU Internet: mckeehan at mckeehan.homeip.net http://mckeehan.homeip.net From geoff at hitsandpieces.net Sun Jun 12 21:42:08 2005 From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang) Date: Mon, 13 Jun 2005 07:42:08 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] Newbie with problems on Debian Sarge In-Reply-To: <2444.192.168.1.205.1118600228.squirrel@192.168.1.205> References: <2444.192.168.1.205.1118600228.squirrel@192.168.1.205> Message-ID: William McKeehan wrote: > I have my audio working with ALSA - microphone in plays through my audio out. This means that your microphone is unmuted in playback, but this does not mean that it is "captured" for recording or that some other master record level is not set at 0. First,try recording and seeing if you can hear anything. arecord filename.wav (the quality won't be high but that's not important) Then play it back. aplay filename.wav If you can hear your microphone then the problem isn't occuring before Ices. If you hear silence, do the following: 1. Load up alsamixer. 2. Cursor across to Mic and check that it is captured. If it isn't, press space and it should capture. 3. If you're using something like an SBLive, you may well need to turn up some kind of master record volume. I have an SBLive and on my card, the control is called Capture and I currently have it at about 40%. Where you should have it will depend on the strength of your input signal. If you change anything and it subsequently works, don't forget to run "alsactl store" as root to save your settings so they are reloaded next time you boot the system. Hope this helps. Geoff. From mckeehan at mckeehan.homeip.net Sun Jun 12 23:08:52 2005 From: mckeehan at mckeehan.homeip.net (William McKeehan) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:08:52 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Icecast] Newbie with problems on Debian Sarge In-Reply-To: References: <2444.192.168.1.205.1118600228.squirrel@192.168.1.205> Message-ID: <3326.192.168.1.205.1118617732.squirrel@192.168.1.205> Well, I did have some things messed up with my alsa mixer settings, but with your example commands below for using arecord and aplay, I was able to get them correct, so now arecord will record from the microphone and aplay plays the recorded file...but...still nothing when I start ices2. Do yave any next steps for debugging? I really appreciate the help! On Sun, June 12, 2005 5:42 pm, Geoff Shang said: > William McKeehan wrote: > >> I have my audio working with ALSA - microphone in plays through my audio >> out. > > This means that your microphone is unmuted in playback, but this does not > mean that it is "captured" for recording or that some other master record > level is not set at 0. > > First,try recording and seeing if you can hear anything. > > arecord filename.wav (the quality won't be high but that's not important) > > Then play it back. > > aplay filename.wav > > If you can hear your microphone then the problem isn't occuring before > Ices. > > If you hear silence, do the following: > > 1. Load up alsamixer. > > 2. Cursor across to Mic and check that it is captured. If it isn't, press > space and it should capture. > > 3. If you're using something like an SBLive, you may well need to turn up > some kind of master record volume. I have an SBLive and on my card, the > control is called Capture and I currently have it at about 40%. Where you > should have it will depend on the strength of your input signal. > > If you change anything and it subsequently works, don't forget to run > "alsactl store" as root to save your settings so they are reloaded next > time you boot the system. > > Hope this helps. > > Geoff. > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > -- William McKeehan KI4HDU Internet: mckeehan at mckeehan.homeip.net http://mckeehan.homeip.net From mckeehan at mckeehan.homeip.net Sun Jun 12 23:46:06 2005 From: mckeehan at mckeehan.homeip.net (William McKeehan) Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2005 19:46:06 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Icecast] Newbie with problems on Debian Sarge In-Reply-To: References: <2444.192.168.1.205.1118600228.squirrel@192.168.1.205> Message-ID: <3416.192.168.1.205.1118619966.squirrel@192.168.1.205> I figured it out...it would help if I used a player that supported the ogg format. Thanks for all of the help! On Sun, June 12, 2005 5:42 pm, Geoff Shang said: > William McKeehan wrote: > >> I have my audio working with ALSA - microphone in plays through my audio >> out. > > This means that your microphone is unmuted in playback, but this does not > mean that it is "captured" for recording or that some other master record > level is not set at 0. > > First,try recording and seeing if you can hear anything. > > arecord filename.wav (the quality won't be high but that's not important) > > Then play it back. > > aplay filename.wav > > If you can hear your microphone then the problem isn't occuring before > Ices. > > If you hear silence, do the following: > > 1. Load up alsamixer. > > 2. Cursor across to Mic and check that it is captured. If it isn't, press > space and it should capture. > > 3. If you're using something like an SBLive, you may well need to turn up > some kind of master record volume. I have an SBLive and on my card, the > control is called Capture and I currently have it at about 40%. Where you > should have it will depend on the strength of your input signal. > > If you change anything and it subsequently works, don't forget to run > "alsactl store" as root to save your settings so they are reloaded next > time you boot the system. > > Hope this helps. > > Geoff. > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > -- William McKeehan KI4HDU Internet: mckeehan at mckeehan.homeip.net http://mckeehan.homeip.net From ross at stationplaylist.com Tue Jun 14 05:39:54 2005 From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 17:39:54 +1200 Subject: [Icecast] admin.cgi metadata updates Message-ID: <006201c570a3$7e463e40$5100a8c0@levis4> I would just like to confirm that this is suppose to work with Ogg Vorbis streams. I'm using 2.2-kh5 at a hosting company. http://servername.com:9876/admin.cgi?pass=mypassword&mode=updinfo&song=a_song_title I'm sure I have the correct servername, port and password, but it's not working. I can do other admin tasks. When I brought this up a few months ago I'm sure someone said it was implemented in v2.2. Thanks, Ross Levis. From karl at xiph.org Tue Jun 14 13:16:09 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 14 Jun 2005 14:16:09 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] admin.cgi metadata updates In-Reply-To: <006201c570a3$7e463e40$5100a8c0@levis4> References: <006201c570a3$7e463e40$5100a8c0@levis4> Message-ID: <1118754967.7577.5854.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Tue, 2005-06-14 at 06:39, Ross Levis wrote: > I would just like to confirm that this is suppose to work with Ogg > Vorbis streams. I'm using 2.2-kh5 at a hosting company. > http://servername.com:9876/admin.cgi?pass=mypassword&mode=updinfo&song=a_song_title > > I'm sure I have the correct servername, port and password, but it's not > working. I can do other admin tasks. When I brought this up a few > months ago I'm sure someone said it was implemented in v2.2. 2 issues to cover. . kh10 is the latest, although kh11 should be available soon (no problems reported so far with kh10 though). . The URL you state above is the shoutcast style of updating metadata, you'll note the lack of mountpoint, so shoutcast-mount is the mountpoint that's used. It's also not clear on why there is an Ogg Vorbis stream on a shoutcast mountpoint ? It may be that you are just using the wrong url for updating metadata, eg http://servername.com:9876/admin/metadata?mount=/stream.ogg&mode=updinfo&song=a_song_title karl. From ross at stationplaylist.com Wed Jun 15 00:18:19 2005 From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:18:19 +1200 Subject: [Icecast] admin.cgi metadata updates References: <006201c570a3$7e463e40$5100a8c0@levis4> <1118754967.7577.5854.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <003501c5713f$bb762e50$5100a8c0@levis4> Thanks for your reply Karl > It may be that you are just using the wrong url for updating metadata, > http://servername.com:9876/admin/metadata?mount=/stream.ogg&mode=updinfo&song=a_song_title That will be the problem. But how do I specify the userid and password in the URL? Regards, Ross. From karl at xiph.org Wed Jun 15 00:28:24 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 15 Jun 2005 01:28:24 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] admin.cgi metadata updates In-Reply-To: <003501c5713f$bb762e50$5100a8c0@levis4> References: <006201c570a3$7e463e40$5100a8c0@levis4> <1118754967.7577.5854.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <003501c5713f$bb762e50$5100a8c0@levis4> Message-ID: <1118795302.7577.6548.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 01:18, Ross Levis wrote: > Thanks for your reply Karl > > > It may be that you are just using the wrong url for updating metadata, > > http://servername.com:9876/admin/metadata?mount=/stream.ogg&mode=updinfo&song=a_song_title > > That will be the problem. But how do I specify the userid and password > in the URL? It uses http auth, so you can use http://user:pass at servername.com:9876/....... default user is source unless you have overridden it. karl. From ross at stationplaylist.com Wed Jun 15 00:37:26 2005 From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:37:26 +1200 Subject: [Icecast] admin.cgi metadata updates References: <006201c570a3$7e463e40$5100a8c0@levis4> <1118754967.7577.5854.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <003501c5713f$bb762e50$5100a8c0@levis4> <1118795302.7577.6548.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <006201c57142$6787f230$5100a8c0@levis4> Karl Heyes wrote: > It uses http auth, so you can use > http://user:pass at servername.com:9876/....... Ah, well that's no good then. Windows doesn't support http auth in a URL anymore, and I'm wanting send this from a Windows application. Is there any chance of adding support for something like this... mount=/stream.ogg&user=username&pass=password&mode=... Regards, Ross. From ross at stationplaylist.com Wed Jun 15 00:56:13 2005 From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 12:56:13 +1200 Subject: [Icecast] admin.cgi metadata updates Message-ID: <009001c57145$070705b0$5100a8c0@levis4> I wrote: > Is there any chance of adding support for something like this... > mount=/stream.ogg&user=username&pass=password&mode=... Actually, this may not be necessary afterall. I'm adding this function into a Windows application I'm writing and the HTTP component I'm using appears to support a separate username & password property for authentication, so I should be able to use this. Regards, Ross. From oddsock at oddsock.org Wed Jun 15 01:08:00 2005 From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock) Date: Tue, 14 Jun 2005 20:08:00 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] admin.cgi metadata updates In-Reply-To: <006201c57142$6787f230$5100a8c0@levis4> References: <006201c570a3$7e463e40$5100a8c0@levis4> <1118754967.7577.5854.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <003501c5713f$bb762e50$5100a8c0@levis4> <1118795302.7577.6548.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <006201c57142$6787f230$5100a8c0@levis4> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050614200530.0356bec0@www.oddsock.org> At 07:37 PM 6/14/2005, you wrote: >Karl Heyes wrote: > > > It uses http auth, so you can use > > http://user:pass at servername.com:9876/....... > >Ah, well that's no good then. Windows doesn't support http auth in a >URL anymore, and I'm wanting send this from a Windows application. that is a Internet explorer specific security "enhancement", not a Windows limitation. >Is there any chance of adding support for something like this... >mount=/stream.ogg&user=username&pass=password&mode=... doubtful...we use HTTP auth for all admin authentication, Even though basic HTTP authentication is not exactly secure, passing in users and passwords via URL calls is certainly *less secure* :) oddsock From subh.arya at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 09:33:37 2005 From: subh.arya at gmail.com (Subhabrata Bhattacharya) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:03:37 +0530 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast and ezstream Message-ID: <7624563005061602332954d329@mail.gmail.com> Hi, What is the actual functionality of ezstream when I use it with Icecast?What does it exactly do? Why isn't Icecast written to read a file directly and stream it? -- ~$ubh From michael.kamleitner at play.fm Thu Jun 16 09:46:27 2005 From: michael.kamleitner at play.fm (Michael Kamleitner) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 11:46:27 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast and ezstream In-Reply-To: <7624563005061602332954d329@mail.gmail.com> References: <7624563005061602332954d329@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42B14A73.1050801@play.fm> Subhabrata Bhattacharya wrote: > What is the actual functionality of ezstream when I use it with > Icecast?What does it exactly do? > > Why isn't Icecast written to read a file directly and stream it? that's exactly what it does! from http://www.icecast.org/ezstream.php: "ezstream is a command line utility...It enables you to stream mp3 or vorbis files to an icecast server..." u can define a single mp3/vorbis-file or a whole m3u-playlist, which is then repeatedly sent to the icecast server... mike -- *Michael Kamleitner* PLAY.FM quartier21/MQ Museumsplatz 1 A-1070 Vienna mobile: +43-699-11607923 www: http://www.play.fm email: michael.kamleitner at play.fm PLAY.FM :: Latest DJ Sets From admin at radiotoolbox.com Thu Jun 16 12:00:35 2005 From: admin at radiotoolbox.com (Jay Krivanek) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 07:00:35 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast and ezstream In-Reply-To: <7624563005061602332954d329@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <000101c5726b$0183a900$8ec3fea9@JAY> Well not trying to speak for Icecast but there are several problems with just reading files and making an internet stream out of that. For one, Icecast would have to be aware of all the different types of media files you might attempt to throw at it. You can't just read files and throw them at users and expect it to be a "stream". It's not like a webserver. Things have to be timed to send to users at a regulated pace. Something source encoders do for the servers they source. Jay -----Original Message----- From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On Behalf Of Subhabrata Bhattacharya Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:34 AM To: icecast at xiph.org Subject: [Icecast] Icecast and ezstream Hi, What is the actual functionality of ezstream when I use it with Icecast?What does it exactly do? Why isn't Icecast written to read a file directly and stream it? -- ~$ubh _______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast at xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From ian at smartfamilymedia.com Thu Jun 16 19:16:07 2005 From: ian at smartfamilymedia.com (Ian H Stewart) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:16:07 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] Relay Planning (many questions) Message-ID: Hi, I am looking to replace a Quicktime streaming Cluster with Icecast 2.2.0. I have a couple questions: QTSS Supports multicast to multiple relays, does Icecast? I understand that Icecast creates a Master / slave relationship so that the following should work: 1) Send content to Master 2) Have the 4 systems in the cluster connect to the master as a slave system What happens if the master goes away? Using SimpleCast or Nicecast, can I supply multiple masters incase of failure? Will the slaves switch under a failed condition? Does Icecast have built-in load balancing or do I need external app switch? Finally, QTSS has this feature where the slave will not grab the content unless a user is connected, does Icecast support something similar? Thank you so much for your help. Ian From mlrsmith at gmail.com Thu Jun 16 19:19:48 2005 From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 21:19:48 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Relay Planning (many questions) In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3c1737210506161219572c5c1c@mail.gmail.com> On 6/16/05, Ian H Stewart wrote: > Hi, I am looking to replace a Quicktime streaming Cluster > with Icecast 2.2.0. > > I have a couple questions: > > QTSS Supports multicast to multiple relays, does Icecast? No, icecast has no multicast support. Icecast will do unicast to multiple relays, though. > > > I understand that Icecast creates a Master / slave relationship > so that the following should work: > > 1) Send content to Master > 2) Have the 4 systems in the cluster connect to the master as a slave > system > > What happens if the master goes away? By default, the stream goes down, as if the source producer disconnected. You can configure alternatives, though in 2.2 they would have to be always-on. > > > Using SimpleCast or Nicecast, can I supply > multiple masters incase of failure? Will the slaves switch under a > failed condition? You can configure that in icecast; I don't know precisely what simplecast or nicecast do. > > Does Icecast have built-in load balancing or do I need external app > switch? Icecast has no load balancing features. > > Finally, QTSS has this feature where the slave will not grab the > content unless a user is connected, does Icecast support something > similar? In the development version, but not in 2.2 Mike From eric at wearesp.com Thu Jun 16 20:47:43 2005 From: eric at wearesp.com (Eric Robinson) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 16:47:43 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast? what it is? will it work for me? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: As of this moment i find that the streaming system that has been made available to me might be taken offline and would no longer be an option from my hosting company. What is ICECAST and would it work for what i need? Would it include the certain features that i would require for user capability? From compwhiz80 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 16 22:51:56 2005 From: compwhiz80 at yahoo.com (Adam) Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 15:51:56 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [Icecast] Multiple Shoutcast Sources Message-ID: <20050616225156.55161.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Hi all, I have set up a an icecast server and have a Shoutcast DSP source connected. Is it possible to set up multiple shoutcast compat ports and shoutcast mount points. When I try to set up another port pair (8700 and 8701) and connect it says that the shoutcast mount point (live.nsv) is currently in use. I set up a seperate mount point in the config and it also will not use the password that I set up in that config, only the global source password. Any help would be appreciated. -Adam ____________________________________________________ Yahoo! Sports Rekindle the Rivalries. Sign up for Fantasy Football http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com From karl at xiph.org Fri Jun 17 00:29:19 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 17 Jun 2005 01:29:19 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] Multiple Shoutcast Sources In-Reply-To: <20050616225156.55161.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> References: <20050616225156.55161.qmail@web41905.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1118968157.19790.103.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Thu, 2005-06-16 at 23:51, Adam wrote: > Hi all, > > I have set up a an icecast server and have a Shoutcast > DSP source connected. Is it possible to set up > multiple shoutcast compat ports and shoutcast mount > points. When I try to set up another port pair (8700 > and 8701) and connect it says that the shoutcast mount > point (live.nsv) is currently in use. The nature of the protocol that shoutcast came up with limits us to how we reference the stream. The protocol has no concept of a mountpoint so we are fine with 1 shoutcast source client. When more than 1 shoutcast source client wants to connect, things become more difficult, as firstly there is a question of which mountpoint name is to be used and secondly the metadata updates fail to work as we don't know which stream to update. The load that icecast uses is very low, so it is possible to use multiple icecasts, 1 for each shoutcast source client. > I set up a seperate mount point in the config > and it also will not use the password that I set up in > that config, only the global source password. The development code now allows for the password in the to be used for the shoutcast source client. It was limited to the global source password in 2.2. karl. From mlrsmith at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 10:13:10 2005 From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:13:10 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast? what it is? will it work for me? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3c173721050617031367188b0e@mail.gmail.com> On 6/16/05, Eric Robinson wrote: > > As of this moment i find that the streaming system that has been made > available to me might be taken offline and would no longer be > an option from my hosting company. > What is ICECAST and would it work for what i need? > Would it include the certain features that i would require for user > capability? How are we supposed to answer questions like these, when you don't say what you're trying to do? Icecast is a streaming media server. The website, including the documentation, has a lot more details. Mike From eric at wearesp.com Fri Jun 17 18:21:16 2005 From: eric at wearesp.com (Eric Robinson) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 14:21:16 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast? what it is? will it work for me? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Thanks mike let me get more detailed for you all then. As i understand it - ICECAST - is actually the streaming server itself but where does it reside? I am looking to go back to broadcasting from a streaming server on a 24/7 basis. I was looking through the documentation on the icecast site but it talks of detials that i did not have to handle and my host company did. What im looking for is: A) How would i gain access of use of an icecast streaming server B) What are the costs involved (per listener or per block of listeners) C) Will i be able to have direct access to uploading the audio for streaming D) Will i be able to have direct access to setting / editing a playlist of the files. F) When my djs Do their shows LIVE, what tools are usualy used or best implemented for streaming directly to the icecast server from the djs remote location. -----Original Message----- From: Michael Smith [mailto:mlrsmith at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 17, 2005 6:13 AM To: eric at wearesp.com Cc: icecast at xiph.org Subject: Re: [Icecast] Icecast? what it is? will it work for me? On 6/16/05, Eric Robinson wrote: > > As of this moment i find that the streaming system that has been made > available to me might be taken offline and would no longer be > an option from my hosting company. > What is ICECAST and would it work for what i need? > Would it include the certain features that i would require for user > capability? How are we supposed to answer questions like these, when you don't say what you're trying to do? Icecast is a streaming media server. The website, including the documentation, has a lot more details. Mike -----Original Message----- From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org]On Behalf Of Eric Robinson Sent: Thursday, June 16, 2005 4:48 PM To: icecast at xiph.org Subject: [Icecast] Icecast? what it is? will it work for me? As of this moment i find that the streaming system that has been made available to me might be taken offline and would no longer be an option from my hosting company. What is ICECAST and would it work for what i need? Would it include the certain features that i would require for user capability? _______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast at xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From ian at smartfamilymedia.com Fri Jun 17 19:56:52 2005 From: ian at smartfamilymedia.com (Ian H Stewart) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 12:56:52 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] Backup master slave configuration Message-ID: I spoke with Michael, but he is on holiday. We decided what I want to do is possible so I wanted to see if anyone else is doing it and get a sample config for the slave if possible. Thank you. Ian Master 1 Master 2 I send the streams to both Master 1 and 2 using SimpleCast or Nicecast. Slave 1 Slave 2 Slave 3 etc. These point to Master 1, in the case that master 1 fails, I want an automatic switch over of the slaves to master 2. Hope that gives enough details. From mlrsmith at gmail.com Fri Jun 17 21:38:17 2005 From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 23:38:17 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Icecast? what it is? will it work for me? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <3c173721050617143866a66835@mail.gmail.com> On 6/17/05, Eric Robinson wrote: > Thanks mike > let me get more detailed for you all then. > > As i understand it - ICECAST - is actually the streaming server itself > but where does it reside? Right, icecast is the server. It resides on a server, somewhere - somewhere with enough bandwidth for your needs. You can either run your own server, or there are companies which offer hosted services for this sort of thing (anyone running something like this, feel free to contact Eric, but only off-list). > > I am looking to go back to broadcasting from a streaming server on a 24/7 > basis. > I was looking through the documentation on the icecast site but > it talks of detials that i did not have to handle and my host company did. > What im looking for is: > A) How would i gain access of use of an icecast streaming server You either run your own, or pay someone to run one for you. > B) What are the costs involved (per listener or per block of listeners) If you run your own, you need pay only for your bandwidth. If you pay someone else, they will provide you with pricing. Icecast itself is just software, we don't provide hosting services. > C) Will i be able to have direct access to uploading the audio for streaming > D) Will i be able to have direct access to setting / editing a playlist of > the files. If you run your own, of course. If you use a hosted service, you'd have to ask them. > F) When my djs Do their shows LIVE, what tools are usualy used or best > implemented for streaming directly to the icecast server from the djs remote > location. There are many, I personally use ices2 (of which I'm the primary author, so I'm a bit biased :-), but I can't recommend anything in particular, since what's good depends on precisely what you're doing, and on what platform you're running on (ices2 only runs on unix-like systems, for example). Mike From ml at imux.net Fri Jun 17 21:49:10 2005 From: ml at imux.net (ml) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:49:10 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] New Web Forum Message-ID: <42B34556.3010007@imux.net> Dear List members, After some consideration and chats with several members on IRC, I have proposed running a web forum for icecast, an idea which seems to have been received well by everyone so far. The forum can be found at http://forum.icecast.org/ Questions & Answers welcome :-) Stephen forum: EvilOverlord IRC: J_Bullet From college at nlcm.net Fri Jun 17 21:59:06 2005 From: college at nlcm.net (New Life Bible College and Seiminary) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 17:59:06 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Install Directions Message-ID: <000a01c57387$c99520a0$0d4e2542@com> Am I missing it somewhere. Where are the install instructions? I am installing on SuSE 9.2. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From geoff at radioleft.com Sat Jun 18 02:30:04 2005 From: geoff at radioleft.com (Geoff Staples) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 21:30:04 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] New Web Forum In-Reply-To: <42B34556.3010007@imux.net> References: <42B34556.3010007@imux.net> Message-ID: <42B3872C.2050109@radioleft.com> Interesting. I discussed this off line with a couple of folks and offered to host a forum. -- But, not to run it. So, this is great that we know have it and you have stepped up to the plate to run it. I do have a request / suggestion: I've noticed that many of the boards for open source software suffer from a couple of problems and it would be great if the Icecast forum could rise above the other forums. Here are the problems that I see at other boards: The content is usually so disorganized that it is rather difficult to find anything. But, even when you search as best you, there's always the jerk who responds with snotty remarks about reading the rules and searching before posting. They always point out that there's an excellent answer on the board, but, never tell you where it is. Also, there are the folks who make the assumption that because you asked a question, you must know nothing about the topic, so they explain in detail things you already know, but never answer the question. The problem is that it discourages others who may have useful info from posting it. So, I want to suggest that whoever moderates does not chastise posters on the board. Move a post, delete it, ignore it. If necessary, send a private message to the offending party - but, try to be courteous instead of reaming posters out. I have a lot of experience in a number of areas, but, I don't post to a lot of boards simply because I don't like the unpleasant environment. Also, (And this would require some work): It would be really great to have a "Good answers" section of the board where particularly useful answers to questions are copied by an admin and not open for posting by visitors. The idea is to build up an area of the board with especially useful information, both basic and advanced. The reason for copying (not moving) the posts is so that you don't break up the thread. Over time, this "Good Answers" area would become an especially useful place to get information. Anyway, I don't really have any answers - only a few suggestions. But, one thing I'm clear about. It would be really great if we could make this forum into something more useful and more pleasant than most. Geoff ml wrote: > Dear List members, > > After some consideration and chats with several members on IRC, I have > proposed running a web forum for icecast, an idea which seems to have > been received well by everyone so far. > > The forum can be found at http://forum.icecast.org/ > > Questions & Answers welcome :-) > > Stephen > forum: EvilOverlord > IRC: J_Bullet > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > > > From ml at imux.net Sat Jun 18 07:51:16 2005 From: ml at imux.net (ml) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 08:51:16 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] New Web Forum In-Reply-To: <42B3872C.2050109@radioleft.com> References: <42B34556.3010007@imux.net> <42B3872C.2050109@radioleft.com> Message-ID: <42B3D274.9030004@imux.net> Geoff Staples wrote: > Interesting. I discussed this off line with a couple of folks and > offered to host a forum. -- But, not to run it. So, this is great that > we know have it and you have stepped up to the plate to run it. You're welcome, I'm glad I can contribute. > I do have a request / suggestion: I've noticed that many of the boards > for open source software suffer from a couple of problems and it would > be great if the Icecast forum could rise above the other forums. > > Here are the problems that I see at other boards: > > The content is usually so disorganized that it is rather difficult to > find anything. But, even when you search as best you, there's always the > jerk who responds with snotty remarks about reading the rules and > searching before posting. They always point out that there's an > excellent answer on the board, but, never tell you where it is. Yeah, have you visited the board? The board is organised in what is hopefully an easy to navigate way, this will of course evolve over time. > Also, there are the folks who make the assumption that because you asked > a question, you must know nothing about the topic, so they explain in > detail things you already know, but never answer the question. The > problem is that it discourages others who may have useful info from > posting it. Well experience shows that if you assume someone knows something, they won't! I do take your point, I posted to a car related forum recently asking some pretty specific questions, only to get several replies containing none of what I asked for, just lots about themselves and their own solutions. When I asked why they've posted such utterly useless information, I was beaten down for being ungrateful. That's not something I want to happen on the icecast forum. > So, I want to suggest that whoever moderates does not chastise posters > on the board. Move a post, delete it, ignore it. If necessary, send a > private message to the offending party - but, try to be courteous > instead of reaming posters out. I have a lot of experience in a number > of areas, but, I don't post to a lot of boards simply because I don't > like the unpleasant environment. Neither do I. I'm not promising I won't shout at people occasionally, however I see the web forum as part of the "customer facing" of icecast and thus should be something that gives a favourable impression of icecast and it's contributers. > Also, (And this would require some work): It would be really great to > have a "Good answers" section of the board where particularly useful > answers to questions are copied by an admin and not open for posting by > visitors. The idea is to build up an area of the board with especially > useful information, both basic and advanced. The reason for copying (not > moving) the posts is so that you don't break up the thread. You've not been yet have you? There is an FAQ section. I have run a busy board for a few years, and one of the most helpful features is the ability to use it as evolving documentation. If the FAQ's are referenced frequently people will read them and ask further questions, allowing the FAQs to be updated and clarified over time. This way the effort of explaining the same thing is not wasted over and over. This information can then be referenced both in the ML and the IRC channel. e.g. I got so fed up of explaining how source clients/icecast worked I wrote this page: http://liveice.sourceforge.net/understanding.html Sometimes threads need to be split, but I agree it's not something I want to be doing all the time. > Over time, this "Good Answers" area would become an especially useful > place to get information. > > Anyway, I don't really have any answers - only a few suggestions. But, > one thing I'm clear about. It would be really great if we could make > this forum into something more useful and more pleasant than most. > > Geoff We can only try. :-) Stephen forum: EvilOverlord IRC: J_Bullet From iceuse at wwlang.net Sat Jun 18 09:24:40 2005 From: iceuse at wwlang.net (Iceuse - Kris) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 11:24:40 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] New Web Forum In-Reply-To: <42B3872C.2050109@radioleft.com> References: <42B34556.3010007@imux.net> <42B3872C.2050109@radioleft.com> Message-ID: <42B3E858.4040802@wwlang.net> Hello, > Interesting. I discussed this off line with a couple of folks and > offered to host a forum. -- But, not to run it. So, this is great that > we know have it and you have stepped up to the plate to run it. A little remark, in the opposite way... (sorry about that!) Now, if we search for something about icecast, we will have to scan maling list+forum Now, if we have the habit to glance at the icecast news, questions, ... we will have to scan mailing list+forum... That's double work... that's what I see from my point of view. So, It would be good to be able to subscribe to the forum messages and receive them by email. It's easier to scan daily what we received in two or three mailing list, then mark everything read and then, the next day, we exactly know what to look at. Best regards, Chris From papa.schlumpf at my-mail.ch Sat Jun 18 11:33:33 2005 From: papa.schlumpf at my-mail.ch (Papa Schlumpf) Date: Sat, 18 Jun 2005 13:33:33 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] New Web Forum In-Reply-To: <42B3E858.4040802@wwlang.net> References: <42B34556.3010007@imux.net> <42B3872C.2050109@radioleft.com> <42B3E858.4040802@wwlang.net> Message-ID: <42B4068D.6020207@my-mail.ch> Iceuse - Kris schrieb: > ... > > that's what I see from my point of view. > So, It would be good to be able to subscribe to the forum messages and > receive them by email. *That can you set in Your Forum Profile Always notify me of replies: Sends an e-mail when someone replies to a topic you have posted in. This can be changed whenever you post. Greets Chris * -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From nephish at xit.net Mon Jun 20 01:18:38 2005 From: nephish at xit.net (nephish) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:18:38 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] got a question Message-ID: <42B6196E.9060806@xit.net> Hey there, cool product, my family and i are wanting to build a kids streaming educational radio station. This is the perfect thing for it. i did the install (Arch Linux) and apparently i am serving correctly. i built a test play list with four tracks into a file mystream.ogg.m3u when i go on my computer and go to localhost:8000/mystream.ogg.m3u everything works great. but when i go to the other computer on our home network, it says that it cannot locate the files, or does not have the right plug-in. but it still loads the titles in the playlist. (beep-media-player) um... what am i missing, a permissions issue? thanks. shawn <>< From nephish at xit.net Mon Jun 20 01:31:03 2005 From: nephish at xit.net (nephish) Date: Sun, 19 Jun 2005 18:31:03 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] got -a- problem append Message-ID: <42B61C57.7090503@xit.net> Hey there, one more thing. there is no place where i was prompted for a user name or a password. i just got the icecast page with the little logo on it and just typed into the url http://localhost:8000/mystream.ogg.m3u hope this helps From karl at xiph.org Sun Jun 19 23:38:52 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 20 Jun 2005 00:38:52 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] got a question In-Reply-To: <42B6196E.9060806@xit.net> References: <42B6196E.9060806@xit.net> Message-ID: <1119224329.32189.5.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 02:18, nephish wrote: > Hey there, cool product, > my family and i are wanting to build a kids streaming educational radio > station. This is the perfect thing for it. > i did the install (Arch Linux) and apparently i am serving correctly. i > built a test play list with four tracks into a file mystream.ogg.m3u > when i go on my computer and go to localhost:8000/mystream.ogg.m3u > everything works great. > but when i go to the other computer on our home network, it says that it > cannot locate the files, or does not have the right plug-in. but it > still loads the titles in the playlist. (beep-media-player) It sounds like you're justing downloading files via icecast. For streaming you need to use a source client like ices 0.4, ices 2.0.1, or ezstream. Those have the playlist. karl. From michael.kamleitner at play.fm Mon Jun 20 11:24:50 2005 From: michael.kamleitner at play.fm (Michael Kamleitner) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:24:50 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] mixed live- & playlist-streaming Message-ID: <42B6A782.1070902@play.fm> hi everyone, we're running a webradio-station focussed on electronic music (http://www.play.fm), using icecast 2.2.0 (on SuSe Linux 9). we're broadcasting 4 hours of live-program each day (using streamtranscoder). what I would like to do is to stream a generated playlist of mp3-files during the rest of t. day (using something like ezstream, which I have currently installed & played around with). the problem is that I dont know any way to do the switch automatically. at the moment I have to kill ezstream manually when the live-show is starting, and start it again afterwards. of course I could use a cronjob to do this, but as the starting- & end-times of the live-shows are not met exactly (sometimes they start with little delay, more often they last longer than planned) this wont work. it would be great if the streamtranscoder could "kick" ezstream off when it begins to send the live-stream... I'm thankful for any suggestions, greets, mike -- *Michael Kamleitner* PLAY.FM quartier21/MQ Museumsplatz 1 A-1070 Vienna mobile: +43-699-11607923 www: http://www.play.fm email: michael.kamleitner at play.fm PLAY.FM :: Latest DJ Sets From hick.icecast at gink.org Mon Jun 20 12:18:45 2005 From: hick.icecast at gink.org (gARetH baBB) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:18:45 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Icecast] mixed live- & playlist-streaming In-Reply-To: <42B6A782.1070902@play.fm> References: <42B6A782.1070902@play.fm> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Michael Kamleitner wrote: > it would be great if the streamtranscoder could "kick" ezstream off when it > begins to send the live-stream... Have the ezstream mount as a fallback to the live stream - when the live stream dies it will go back to the ezstream mount and when the live stream comes back it will resume with that mount. From pe at letsgozic.com Mon Jun 20 12:34:09 2005 From: pe at letsgozic.com (EISELE Pascal) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:34:09 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Fallback Message-ID: <42B6B7C1.5000707@letsgozic.com> Hi, I'm trying the following settings but it seams that it's not working :( While I try to switch down the server a, the fallback is not used. The "/letsgozik-HiQ-backup" is working (localy). An idea ? a xxxxxxx /letsgozik-HiQ /letsgozik-HiQ-backup 0 a xxxxxxx /letsgozik-LowQ /letsgozik-LowQ-backup 0 b xxxxxxx /letsgozik /letsgozik-HiQ /letsgozik-HiQ-backup 0 b xxxxxxx /letsgozik-LowQ /letsgozik-LowQ /letsgozik-LowQ-backup 0 From michael.kamleitner at play.fm Mon Jun 20 13:02:10 2005 From: michael.kamleitner at play.fm (Michael Kamleitner) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:02:10 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] mixed live- & playlist-streaming] Message-ID: <42B6BE52.1000509@play.fm> >>it would be great if the streamtranscoder could "kick" ezstream off when it >>begins to send the live-stream... > > > Have the ezstream mount as a fallback to the live stream - when the live > stream dies it will go back to the ezstream mount and when the live > stream comes back it will resume with that mount. thx a lot, this seems 2 work at least in one direction (when the live-stream dies, the fallback takes in), otherway (live streams comes in again) didnt seem to work... heres the mount-points in my icecast-conf: / /replay 1 /replay did I use the fallback-override correctly? thx, mike From hick.icecast at gink.org Mon Jun 20 13:12:16 2005 From: hick.icecast at gink.org (gARetH baBB) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:12:16 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Icecast] mixed live- & playlist-streaming] In-Reply-To: <42B6BE52.1000509@play.fm> References: <42B6BE52.1000509@play.fm> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Michael Kamleitner wrote: > heres the mount-points in my icecast-conf: > > > / > /replay > 1 > > > > /replay > > > did I use the fallback-override correctly? Looks ok, what version of Icecast2 is this ? From karl at xiph.org Mon Jun 20 13:16:16 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 20 Jun 2005 14:16:16 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] Fallback In-Reply-To: <42B6B7C1.5000707@letsgozic.com> References: <42B6B7C1.5000707@letsgozic.com> Message-ID: <1119273373.32189.47.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 13:34, EISELE Pascal wrote: > Hi, > > I'm trying the following settings but it seams that it's not working :( > While I try to switch down the server a, the fallback is not used. > The "/letsgozik-HiQ-backup" is working (localy). An idea ? ... > > b > xxxxxxx > /letsgozik > /letsgozik-HiQ > /letsgozik-HiQ-backup fallback-mount is a setting, adding this under does not mean anything. karl From pe at letsgozic.com Mon Jun 20 13:25:42 2005 From: pe at letsgozic.com (EISELE Pascal) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:25:42 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Fallback In-Reply-To: <1119273373.32189.47.camel@bogus.hackers.club> References: <42B6B7C1.5000707@letsgozic.com> <1119273373.32189.47.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <42B6C3D6.9080802@letsgozic.com> Thanks for the answer. How can I do a "failback" for a relayed stream ? The idea is to set up a relay that can use for the same mountpoint two connection. Karl Heyes a ?crit : >On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 13:34, EISELE Pascal wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>I'm trying the following settings but it seams that it's not working :( >>While I try to switch down the server a, the fallback is not used. >>The "/letsgozik-HiQ-backup" is working (localy). An idea ? >> >> > >... > > > >> >> b >> xxxxxxx >> /letsgozik >> /letsgozik-HiQ >> /letsgozik-HiQ-backup >> >> > >fallback-mount is a setting, adding this under does not >mean anything. > >karl > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From karl at xiph.org Mon Jun 20 13:37:09 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 20 Jun 2005 14:37:09 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] Fallback In-Reply-To: <42B6C3D6.9080802@letsgozic.com> References: <42B6B7C1.5000707@letsgozic.com> <1119273373.32189.47.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <42B6C3D6.9080802@letsgozic.com> Message-ID: <1119274628.32189.57.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 14:25, EISELE Pascal wrote: > Thanks for the answer. How can I do a "failback" for a relayed stream > ? The idea is to set up a relay that can use for the same mountpoint > two connection. from what I can understand about your setup, all that is needed is /letsgozik-HiQ /letsgozik-HiQ-backup 1 karl. From bjacint at kvark.hu Mon Jun 20 13:46:46 2005 From: bjacint at kvark.hu (Balint Jacint) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:46:46 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] big buffer on server-side Message-ID: <42B6C8C6.6040303@kvark.hu> Hi, I'm planning to broadcast live stream from a place, where there's only ADSL connection, which may be used during broadcast, so temporary bandwidth-sortage can happen. Is there any way to create a huge buffer on server-side? This way there would be no problem, if the source couldn't send the stream, the server could serve from the buffer until the source gets bandwidth again. It could be any big, I actually want 2-5 minutes buffer on the server. Latency is not an issue, noone cares (in this situation). Thanks in advance, Jacint From pe at letsgozic.com Mon Jun 20 13:54:21 2005 From: pe at letsgozic.com (EISELE Pascal) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:54:21 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Fallback In-Reply-To: <1119274628.32189.57.camel@bogus.hackers.club> References: <42B6B7C1.5000707@letsgozic.com> <1119273373.32189.47.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <42B6C3D6.9080802@letsgozic.com> <1119274628.32189.57.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <42B6CA8D.2020409@letsgozic.com> Thanks that fit my needs ;o) Karl Heyes a ?crit : >On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 14:25, EISELE Pascal wrote: > > >>Thanks for the answer. How can I do a "failback" for a relayed stream >>? The idea is to set up a relay that can use for the same mountpoint >>two connection. >> >> > >from what I can understand about your setup, all that is needed is > > > /letsgozik-HiQ > /letsgozik-HiQ-backup > 1 > > > >karl. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff at radioleft.com Mon Jun 20 13:55:06 2005 From: geoff at radioleft.com (Geoff Staples) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 08:55:06 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] Encoder setup Message-ID: <42B6CABA.3050708@radioleft.com> Look at Ultravnc.com It's open source, free and works like gotomypc - which is also based on VNC. You could install and configure and then have ultravnc available on the machine for emergency support Geoff From geoff at radioleft.com Mon Jun 20 14:03:31 2005 From: geoff at radioleft.com (Geoff Staples) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:03:31 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] New Forum Message-ID: <42B6CCB3.1020309@radioleft.com> How do people feel about eliminating the list serv in favor of the forum? Or limiting the list serv to news? I have one vendor I work with that has a knowledgebase, a forum, and two mailing lists - with much overlap of topics. It is truly enough to drive you totally crazy. I'm not suggesting anything. Just bringing it up. Geoff From karl at xiph.org Mon Jun 20 14:09:56 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 20 Jun 2005 15:09:56 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] big buffer on server-side In-Reply-To: <42B6C8C6.6040303@kvark.hu> References: <42B6C8C6.6040303@kvark.hu> Message-ID: <1119276594.32189.75.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 14:46, Balint Jacint wrote: > Hi, > > I'm planning to broadcast live stream from a place, where there's only > ADSL connection, which may be used during broadcast, so temporary > bandwidth-sortage can happen. > Is there any way to create a huge buffer on server-side? This way there > would be no problem, if the source couldn't send the stream, the server > could serve from the buffer until the source gets bandwidth again. > It could be any big, I actually want 2-5 minutes buffer on the server. > Latency is not an issue, noone cares (in this situation). I think the only settings that could help in such cases are (for allowing the stored buffer to increase) and (how much idle time is allowed before shutting down the source. What they need setting to depends on what you expect out of the connection. karl. From bjacint at kvark.hu Mon Jun 20 14:12:06 2005 From: bjacint at kvark.hu (Balint Jacint) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 16:12:06 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] big buffer on server-side In-Reply-To: <1119276594.32189.75.camel@bogus.hackers.club> References: <42B6C8C6.6040303@kvark.hu> <1119276594.32189.75.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <42B6CEB6.4060708@kvark.hu> Hi Karl, Thanks for the reply. As I read the documentation, the queue-size is related to the listener, not the source. If the listener sets up a small buffer, they can easily run out of it. The source-timeout parameter is an important one for me, I'll raise that. Thanks! Isn't there a parameter that controls the buffer size used in the server...? Or any other way to make this goal? Yours, Jacint Karl Heyes wrote: >I think the only settings that could help in such cases are >(for allowing the stored buffer to increase) and (how >much idle time is allowed before shutting down the source. > >What they need setting to depends on what you expect out of the >connection. > >karl. > > > From hick.icecast at gink.org Mon Jun 20 14:14:55 2005 From: hick.icecast at gink.org (gARetH baBB) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:14:55 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Icecast] New Forum In-Reply-To: <42B6CCB3.1020309@radioleft.com> References: <42B6CCB3.1020309@radioleft.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Geoff Staples wrote: > How do people feel about eliminating the list serv in favor of the forum? Web based forums are annoying crap wastes of space - I certainly will not and am not intending to use it in any way whatsoever. From karl at xiph.org Mon Jun 20 14:38:35 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 20 Jun 2005 15:38:35 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] big buffer on server-side In-Reply-To: <42B6CEB6.4060708@kvark.hu> References: <42B6C8C6.6040303@kvark.hu> <1119276594.32189.75.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <42B6CEB6.4060708@kvark.hu> Message-ID: <1119278314.32189.91.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Mon, 2005-06-20 at 15:12, Balint Jacint wrote: > Hi Karl, > > Thanks for the reply. > As I read the documentation, the queue-size is related to the listener, > not the source. If the listener sets up a small buffer, they can easily > run out of it. The queue-size related to the maximum amount of stream data we store within the server for a particular source. It's added to when new data comes in and regular checks are made for removing as much as we can. As long as listeners don't lag behind by over queue-size bytes then they can stay on. If the source can only send data at half the rate it needs then listeners will end up stuttering on playback, so it really depends on what you mean by a temporary bandwidth shortage problem. > The source-timeout parameter is an important one for me, I'll raise > that. Thanks! > > Isn't there a parameter that controls the buffer size used in the > server...? Or any other way to make this goal? again, when listening clients have been sent the most recent stream data, what do you expect to happen then ? currently they will stop waiting for more data. You could try increasing the burst size to something much larger, as that will define how far back in the queue new listeners start but I'm not sure what many players would do on such cases. karl. From eric at wearesp.com Mon Jun 20 15:16:27 2005 From: eric at wearesp.com (Eric Robinson) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 11:16:27 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] New Forum In-Reply-To: <42B6CCB3.1020309@radioleft.com> Message-ID: i wouldnt say eliminate the list serv however i would limit it to newsletters or other specific topics which you would NOT need to look for in the new forums I would also say that the majority of issues topis questions points of interest hacks mods and so on should ONLY be on the forums -----Original Message----- From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org]On Behalf Of Geoff Staples Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:04 AM To: icecast at xiph.org Subject: [Icecast] New Forum How do people feel about eliminating the list serv in favor of the forum? Or limiting the list serv to news? I have one vendor I work with that has a knowledgebase, a forum, and two mailing lists - with much overlap of topics. It is truly enough to drive you totally crazy. I'm not suggesting anything. Just bringing it up. Geoff _______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast at xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From kc at ih.unsw.edu.au Mon Jun 20 15:17:35 2005 From: kc at ih.unsw.edu.au (Kelvin Chu) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:17:35 +1000 Subject: [Icecast] New Forum In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42B6DE0F.1010802@ih.unsw.edu.au> Being very old school, I think mailing lists rock :-) Maybe we could have a web interface to the mailing list instead of a forum? :-D Kelv Eric Robinson wrote: > i wouldnt say eliminate the list serv > however i would limit it to newsletters > or other specific topics which you would NOT need to > look for in the new forums > > I would also say that the majority of issues > topis > questions > points of interest > hacks > mods > and so on should ONLY be on the forums > > -----Original Message----- > From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org]On > Behalf Of Geoff Staples > Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 10:04 AM > To: icecast at xiph.org > Subject: [Icecast] New Forum > > > How do people feel about eliminating the list serv in favor of the forum? > > Or limiting the list serv to news? > > I have one vendor I work with that has a knowledgebase, a forum, and two > mailing lists - with much overlap of topics. It is truly enough to drive > you totally crazy. > > I'm not suggesting anything. Just bringing it up. > > Geoff > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > From Jason at Weatherserver.net Mon Jun 20 17:26:17 2005 From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 13:26:17 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] New Forum References: <42B6CCB3.1020309@radioleft.com> Message-ID: <004c01c575bd$2aec11b0$1400000a@workstation> I say keep the email list and scrap the forum idea. Problem with forums is you get spam bots that mine the forums for data. From mlrsmith at gmail.com Mon Jun 20 18:10:05 2005 From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:10:05 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] New Forum In-Reply-To: <42B6CCB3.1020309@radioleft.com> References: <42B6CCB3.1020309@radioleft.com> Message-ID: <3c17372105062011102c3de5c9@mail.gmail.com> On 6/20/05, Geoff Staples wrote: > How do people feel about eliminating the list serv in favor of the forum? Definately not even an option. As a developer, I have the time to follow the list (the higher barrier to entry means mailing lists generally get slightly less crap), but not enough to follow a web forum on a regular basis. The interface that the forum presents (which isn't bad as web forums go) also makes it far, far less pleasant to use on a regular basis than a good mail client. Mike From hostmaster at xenterra.net Mon Jun 20 18:20:29 2005 From: hostmaster at xenterra.net (Robert Muchnick) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 12:20:29 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Icecast] New Forum In-Reply-To: <3c17372105062011102c3de5c9@mail.gmail.com> References: <42B6CCB3.1020309@radioleft.com> <3c17372105062011102c3de5c9@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: I second the sentiment below. I am in development on a number of sites which rely exclusively on icecast (and optionally a server-based ices). The email list is a convenient way to break from constant programming for a moment to see if there's a useful bit of information or if I can possibly add something of value. I can't imagine a scenario where I'd want to search a web-based forum to keep up with icecast. There's a *lot* to be said for opt-in email lists! :-) On Mon, 20 Jun 2005, Michael Smith wrote: > On 6/20/05, Geoff Staples wrote: >> How do people feel about eliminating the list serv in favor of the forum? > > Definately not even an option. As a developer, I have the time to > follow the list (the higher barrier to entry means mailing lists > generally get slightly less crap), but not enough to follow a web > forum on a regular basis. The interface that the forum presents (which > isn't bad as web forums go) also makes it far, far less pleasant to > use on a regular basis than a good mail client. > > Mike > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > Robert Muchnick Xenterra.net 720-276-7917 From eric at wearesp.com Mon Jun 20 18:28:17 2005 From: eric at wearesp.com (Eric Robinson) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:28:17 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] New Forum In-Reply-To: <004c01c575bd$2aec11b0$1400000a@workstation> Message-ID: Being they would mine for data we as the users can simply NOT supply on the posts that data -----Original Message----- From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org]On Behalf Of Jason Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 1:26 PM To: icecast at xiph.org Subject: Re: [Icecast] New Forum I say keep the email list and scrap the forum idea. Problem with forums is you get spam bots that mine the forums for data. _______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast at xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From iceuse at wwlang.net Mon Jun 20 18:45:04 2005 From: iceuse at wwlang.net (Iceuse - Kris) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:45:04 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] New Web Forum In-Reply-To: <42B4068D.6020207@my-mail.ch> References: <42B34556.3010007@imux.net> <42B3872C.2050109@radioleft.com> <42B3E858.4040802@wwlang.net> <42B4068D.6020207@my-mail.ch> Message-ID: <42B70EB0.1030707@wwlang.net> Hi, The question is not to be informed of answers to my questions, but to receive daily all the messages, so I look at the subjects and see if something is important for me. This is to be well informed of the news, problems, solutions, ... Chris > *That can you set in Your Forum Profile > Always notify me of replies: > Sends an e-mail when someone replies to a topic you have posted in. > This can be changed whenever you post. > > Greets Chris > * > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast at xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > From iceuse at wwlang.net Mon Jun 20 18:48:49 2005 From: iceuse at wwlang.net (Iceuse - Kris) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:48:49 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] New Forum In-Reply-To: <42B6DE0F.1010802@ih.unsw.edu.au> References: <42B6DE0F.1010802@ih.unsw.edu.au> Message-ID: <42B70F91.7000001@wwlang.net> Kelvin Chu wrote: > Being very old school, I think mailing lists rock :-) > > Maybe we could have a web interface to the mailing list instead of a > forum? :-D > > Kelv Hi Kelvin, I'm 100% agree with your idea. I like the mailing list. Nothing to do, just clic receive and I receive all messages. Just glange at the titles in 10 sec if nothing is interesting me, or more If I read threads. Doing this work on a forum would take much more time. Chris From geoff at radioleft.com Mon Jun 20 20:04:55 2005 From: geoff at radioleft.com (Geoff Staples) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 15:04:55 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] Well, there are some archive add-ons Message-ID: <42B72167.7000202@radioleft.com> There are some rather nice archive replacements for Mailman that provide full searching, etc. I can provide more info if wanted. Geoff From mark at indymedia.org Mon Jun 20 21:12:11 2005 From: mark at indymedia.org (mark burdett) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 14:12:11 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] New Forum In-Reply-To: <42B70F91.7000001@wwlang.net> References: <42B6DE0F.1010802@ih.unsw.edu.au> <42B70F91.7000001@wwlang.net> Message-ID: <20050620211211.GA25446@indymedia.org> a combination list+forum (all forum posts are posted to list, all list posts are posted to forum) seems to work well for some other projects I work on, but I also don't mind having them separate if that's easier. --mark On Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:48:49 +0200, Iceuse - Kris wrote: > Kelvin Chu wrote: > > >Being very old school, I think mailing lists rock :-) > > > >Maybe we could have a web interface to the mailing list instead of a > >forum? :-D > > > >Kelv > > Hi Kelvin, > > I'm 100% agree with your idea. > I like the mailing list. Nothing to do, just clic receive and I receive > all messages. Just glange at the titles in 10 sec if nothing is > interesting me, or more If I read threads. > > Doing this work on a forum would take much more time. > > Chris > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From Jason at Weatherserver.net Mon Jun 20 21:15:25 2005 From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:15:25 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Well, there are some archive add-ons References: <42B72167.7000202@radioleft.com> Message-ID: <002001c575dd$2d752000$1400000a@workstation> Mailman can also be linked to a NNTP server. You could go and read the messages that way and any basic usenet program can do a search even outlook. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Geoff Staples" To: "icecast" Sent: Monday, June 20, 2005 4:04 PM Subject: [Icecast] Well, there are some archive add-ons > There are some rather nice archive replacements for Mailman that provide > full searching, etc. > > I can provide more info if wanted. > > Geoff > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > From ml at imux.net Mon Jun 20 21:23:13 2005 From: ml at imux.net (ml) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 22:23:13 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] Re: New Forum In-Reply-To: <20050620211211.GA25446@indymedia.org> References: <42B6DE0F.1010802@ih.unsw.edu.au> <42B70F91.7000001@wwlang.net> <20050620211211.GA25446@indymedia.org> Message-ID: <42B733C1.3000302@imux.net> Once upon a time there was an admin of a university student computer society, he ran various services for students and the public. His 2nd in command suggested using a web forum thingy for users to chat in and get support. He said "nay, that is stupid waste of bandwidth, it will take ages to use, will require administrating and besides, we have a news group, a mailing list and an IRC server! What more could they want?! *I* like text interfaces, it's more efficient that way." and the 2nd in command begged and promised to admin the web forum and not let it get out of hand, and so the admin relented and the dirty little web forum was born. A couple of months went by and the admin noticed that some of the users were always wittering about the web forum and upon checking the server logs, noticed the large amount of web traffic it was generating and became concerned. Getting hold of his 2nd in command he said "look at all the bandwidth that thing is using!". The 2nd responded, "yeah, that's because we have several _hundred_ registered users..." "Oh" said the admin; that was certainly alot more than ever used the mailing list, NNTP or IRC. So he got an account, and yeah, he had to use the mouse, which wasn't as fast reading his mailing list in pine, but the interface was good, new posts were highlighted, he could request to get an e-mail if someone replied to a certain thread, and there were people... so many people! Through the board a real community formed, he didn't have to keep answering the same stupid questions all the time, there was an FAQ section where all the common questions were clearly explained, in easy to read coloured, highlighted text, sometimes with diagrams. After a few months, the admin realised he nearly prevented the creation of this "stupid waste of bandwidth" that had become a real communication tool for many, many people. It was odd, perfectly intelligent people would happily post to the web forum, but not the mailing list or IRC. As for NNTP, nobody seemed to even know what that was any more. Upon asking why, he was told that is was complicated and slow to use the mailing list, and the interface wasn't as nice. This seemed startling, as that was the exact same argument he'd given against the web forum. Mailing lists, web forums, IRC, whatever your choice is; it's just a communications tool. If you don't like it, don't use it. Of course the mailing list is going to have loads of people saying: >Web based forums are annoying crap wastes of space - I certainly will >not and am not intending to use it in any way whatsoever. The people that don't like mailing lists, aren't using it! They're waiting for the web forum... or whatever it is they want. Surely if there is a tool that will allow us to communicate with a wider audience of users, we should at least try it out for a while? As for this point: >I say keep the email list and scrap the forum idea. Problem with forums >is you get spam bots that mine the forums for data. Don't enter any data then... you can choose to hide your e-mail address from public view. What's not there can't be mined. As to Geoff's question... of course we should keep the mailing list for all those users that want their simple text interfaces; after all they should have the freedom to choose :-) From Jason at Weatherserver.net Mon Jun 20 21:52:04 2005 From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:52:04 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Flash Player Message-ID: <001301c575e2$4c2d40e0$1400000a@workstation> Is there any flash based players out that can be embedded into a webpage and stream a icecast feed? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=Ottawa Valley Weather-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Weather @ 5:50pm - Temp: 31.1?C - Humidity 23% - Wind: W @ 0 km/h Baro: 1001kPa Falling - Vis: 24km - Sky: Few Clouds - Weather: --- Hourly Rain: 0.00mm - Daily Rain: 0.00mm - Total Rain(May 28th): 1.00mm =-=-=-= Website: http://www.WeatherServer.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Our Alert Lists: MTO-PEEL, MTO-TORONTO, MTO-YORK, NHC, OntarioDiscussion, SPC, USThunderStormWarnings, USTornadoWarnings, WxDispatch Signup at http://listserver.weatherserver.net today..... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From alex at mordormx.net Mon Jun 20 22:48:01 2005 From: alex at mordormx.net (alex) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 17:48:01 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] Reencode is it possible? Message-ID: <20050620224801.7219.qmail@station175.com> Hi guys, i have a debian server running icecast 2.2.0 Im interested in have a reencode process of the stream received from the oddcast DSP I mean, if the oddcast is processing at 64 Kbps any way to receive the stream and reencode the stream to any other lower rate? The idea is to have the "bandwith" and "modem" options to the user without have to declare 2 encoders. Any comment or idea would be appreciate Thanks in advance! Alex From michael.kamleitner at play.fm Mon Jun 20 23:12:11 2005 From: michael.kamleitner at play.fm (Michael Kamleitner) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 01:12:11 +0200 Subject: AW: [Icecast] Flash Player In-Reply-To: <001301c575e2$4c2d40e0$1400000a@workstation> Message-ID: <001101c575ed$7cdf8710$6300a8c0@home4> hi, I tried to build a flash-player a while a got. basically it's not that hard, flash's actionscript features a sound-object, which is able to connect to mp3-streams from icecast (note: it's _not_ possible with shoutcast, at least not with internet-expllorer-clients). for the player itself there are several tutorials on the web, but basically you need not more than a few buttons and maybe a volume sliders. here are some useful links: http://www.gurusnetwork.com/tutorial/fmx_mp3/ http://www.wimpyplayer.com/ http://www.metasphere.net/help/FAQ-1010.html (<- this one especially) also, icecast 2.2.0 has to be patched slightly - cant find the exact link to this, maybe one of the developers can explain? I just added 4 lines at the end of format_mp3_send_headers() in format_mp3.c: sock_write(client->con->sock, "Cache-Control: no-cache\r\n"); sock_write(client->con->sock, "Pragma: no-cache\r\n"); sock_write(client->con->sock, "Connection: keep-alive\r\n"); sock_write(client->con->sock, "Content-Length: 54000000\r\n"); can't remember why that is need, but it was necessary to get it work ;) unfortunately there are 2 major downs: 1) the flash-client consumes memory like crazy: for an 128kbit mp3 stream it takes approx. 60mbyte per hour... whch at least on windows-platforms leads to unstable machines :( my solution 2 this problem was, to interrupt the stream once every lets say 30min., start a short jingle on another soundobject and then reconnect the stream. this basically solves the memory problem, but sadly theres still... ...2) the flash-player caches all mp3-data somewhere on the filesystem in the cache-folder. users may grab these files and by renaming them to .mp3 they got nice recordings of the stream (because of legal problems this is an absolute NO for some projects [like mine :( ] ) if anyone here has some solutions for these problems, I would be more than thankful... however, if both contras dont affect u, u got a nice & cross-platform streaming client. also notice that flash wont play any ogg-streams... hope that help, bye, mike -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] Im Auftrag von Jason Gesendet: Montag, 20. Juni 2005 23:52 An: icecast at xiph.org Betreff: [Icecast] Flash Player Is there any flash based players out that can be embedded into a webpage and stream a icecast feed? -=-=-=-=-=-=-=Ottawa Valley Weather-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Weather @ 5:50pm - Temp: 31.1?C - Humidity 23% - Wind: W @ 0 km/h Baro: 1001kPa Falling - Vis: 24km - Sky: Few Clouds - Weather: --- Hourly Rain: 0.00mm - Daily Rain: 0.00mm - Total Rain(May 28th): 1.00mm =-=-=-= Website: http://www.WeatherServer.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Our Alert Lists: MTO-PEEL, MTO-TORONTO, MTO-YORK, NHC, OntarioDiscussion, SPC, USThunderStormWarnings, USTornadoWarnings, WxDispatch Signup at http://listserver.weatherserver.net today..... From oddsock at oddsock.org Tue Jun 21 01:32:21 2005 From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock) Date: Mon, 20 Jun 2005 20:32:21 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] The new web-based forum. Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050620201853.0310de38@www.oddsock.org> Speaking from the point of view of a icecast developer and maintainer I'll just say a few things about the new forum. First off, there is nothing *bad* about more avenues of information for icecast. Secondly, we have no intentions for getting rid of the mailing list. Some people love the mailing list, some people love web-based forums and we are glad that we can accommodate both. Duplication information you say ?!?! Hey, duplicate information is better than alienating users if you ask me. Our position has always been to encourage contribution from anyone willing to spend a bit of time...That goes for people writing documentation, translating existing docs, writing quick how-to guides, or even setting up a web-based forum for folks to ask questions about icecast. It's all good and we appreciate these contributions tremendously. They are, in fact, how we keep going as a development project in my opinion. oddsock From Jason at Weatherserver.net Tue Jun 21 04:11:24 2005 From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 00:11:24 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Media Player Buffering Issue Message-ID: <000701c57617$4a120ef0$1400000a@workstation> I just noticed something. I'm using simplecast as my encoder. If I put the first Mp3 option which is listed Mp3/Mp3Pro when I play the stream in Media Player it just buffers and buffers and doesn't play. If I select the option Mp3 (ACM) Media Player works. 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URL: From geoff at radioleft.com Tue Jun 21 14:58:45 2005 From: geoff at radioleft.com (Geoff Staples) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 09:58:45 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] On the forums Message-ID: <42B82B25.3030304@radioleft.com> Here's my summary of what might be a consensus: We have two mailing lists (developer and user) We have a forum We will keep both Some prefer the forum, some prefer the listserv Suggestions were maded about using NNTP, IRC, etc., but, I didn't see any support for that. Chestnuts will be copied from the forum into an FAQ as a documentation development technique and for easy access to the most useful information. Now, I have a suggestion: My concern is having more places to go to look for stuff. I like the listserv, but, what happens is that I read something today, then I can't find it two weeks later when I need it. So, how about this: (I know this can be done. Don't know if the feature exists. It might even be worth changing bulletin board systems to get it.) Posts to the lists should be emailed directly to the bbs which will post them in "Developers List Serv" and "Users List Serv" forums. (We use the email to a website technique to make it easy for our customers to maintain content on certain types of website and it works quite well. The software monitors a mail box and publishes everything it receives. The security is that it will only publish email received from a specified address - on this case, the list serv. ) These two forums will be locked - the only way to post to them or comment is by posting to the list servs. This will mean that all who prefer the listserv can continue to use it. And, that the bulletin board will have all of the forum posts in searchable form. Hope this is useful. Geoff From saire42 at yahoo.es Tue Jun 21 23:41:20 2005 From: saire42 at yahoo.es (=?iso-8859-1?q?Saul=20Qui=F1ones?=) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:41:20 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Icecast] running icecast and a webserver on same port Message-ID: <20050621234120.77623.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Hi all!! Does anyone know if you can have your webserver running on port 80 and also icecast on the same port in a easy way??. Thanks in advance!! PD:congratulations crew!! icecast is the best!!) ______________________________________________ Renovamos el Correo Yahoo! Nuevos servicios, m?s seguridad http://correo.yahoo.es From lbn at prg.dtu.dk Wed Jun 22 00:26:30 2005 From: lbn at prg.dtu.dk (Laust Brock-Nannestad) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 02:26:30 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [Icecast] running icecast and a webserver on same port In-Reply-To: <20050621234120.77623.qmail@web26207.mail.ukl.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Saul Qui?ones wrote: > Hi all!! Does anyone know if you can have your > web server running on port 80 and also icecast on the > same port in a easy way??. Thanks in advance!! You can't run both on the same port, but you can pass the stream through a a CGI script - from Icecast (running on the normal port 8000 for example) and on to listeners connecting to the web server on port 80. It's not without some problems, though: 1. Some web servers (like Apache 1.3) _always_ add headers to the output of CGI scripts, so you don't get a "clean" copy of Icecast's output. Certain players don't mind the extra headers (foobar2000 on Windows, and ogg123), but others (Winamp and Windows Media Player) get confused and will refuse to play the stream. With other web servers (thttpd is one I've tried) that don't add any headers to the output of CGI scripts, it seems to work quite well, however. 2. Since traffic on port 80 is sometimes proxied/cached (based on the assumption that it's normal web traffic) at the other end, there's a chance you'll have proxies taking up connections on your server even after the actual listener has disconnected. 3. Performance probably isn't so great, but this shouldn't be a concern unless you have many listeners. If this hasn't discouraged you from trying, the "webamp" Perl script mentioned in the following article makes a suitable pass-thru CGI script with minor modifications: http://www.perlfect.com/articles/streaming.shtml Regards, Laust From geoff at hitsandpieces.net Wed Jun 22 03:34:00 2005 From: geoff at hitsandpieces.net (Geoff Shang) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 13:34:00 +1000 (EST) Subject: [Icecast] Reencode is it possible? In-Reply-To: <20050620224801.7219.qmail@station175.com> References: <20050620224801.7219.qmail@station175.com> Message-ID: Hi, I use Oddsock's StreamTranscoder to do this sort of thing. http://www.oddsock.org/tools/streamTranscoder Geoff. -- Geoff Shang Phone: +61-418-96-5590 MSN: geoff at acbradio.org Make sure your E-mail can be read by everyone! http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html From geoff at radioleft.com Wed Jun 22 03:48:37 2005 From: geoff at radioleft.com (Geoff Staples) Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:48:37 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] Offering streaming services Message-ID: <42B8DF95.2030101@radioleft.com> We're looking at selling streaming services to our customers. Right now, we sell Real Media services with our hosting plans. But, we're having more and more requests for a more robust offering. That means more features and control at a better price. We need a wholesale provider with infrastructure tuned specifically to media streaming. We don't care whether it is on dedicated servers or shared. But, it must be a managed environment because it is much cheaper to outsource the lower level tech and administrative services to the streaming services provider. Anybody on this list know of anyone offering these services? From eric at wearesp.com Wed Jun 22 14:07:12 2005 From: eric at wearesp.com (Eric Robinson) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 10:07:12 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Offering streaming services In-Reply-To: <42B8DF95.2030101@radioleft.com> Message-ID: Geoff I have sent this to one of my Tech service proivders Weather he gets back to you or not i suppose is dependant on if they want to offer that type service. He was in my radio studio yesterday evening and we were actually speaking specifically of this direction with his company so give it alittle time and if you want me to hit him with a reminder at one point ...i can.... cool? -----Original Message----- From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org]On Behalf Of Geoff Staples Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:49 PM To: icecast at xiph.org Subject: [Icecast] Offering streaming services We're looking at selling streaming services to our customers. Right now, we sell Real Media services with our hosting plans. But, we're having more and more requests for a more robust offering. That means more features and control at a better price. We need a wholesale provider with infrastructure tuned specifically to media streaming. We don't care whether it is on dedicated servers or shared. But, it must be a managed environment because it is much cheaper to outsource the lower level tech and administrative services to the streaming services provider. Anybody on this list know of anyone offering these services? _______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast at xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From gypsy at freeq.com Wed Jun 22 14:16:33 2005 From: gypsy at freeq.com (Gypsy Rogers) Date: 22 Jun 2005 14:16:33 -0000 Subject: Fwd: RE: [Icecast] Offering streaming services Message-ID: <20050622141633.47829.qmail@ll.gypsy.org> I missed your original email. I might be willing to do this for you. How many clients are you talking? I'm already reselling web hosting and have Icecast running, just haven't gotten around to rolling it into my packages yet. ------------- Forwarded message follows ------------- Geoff I have sent this to one of my Tech service proivders Weather he gets back to you or not i suppose is dependant on if they want to offer that type service. He was in my radio studio yesterday evening and we were actually speaking specifically of this direction with his company so give it alittle time and if you want me to hit him with a reminder at one point ...i can.... cool? -----Original Message----- From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org]On Behalf Of Geoff Staples Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:49 PM To: icecast at xiph.org Subject: [Icecast] Offering streaming services We're looking at selling streaming services to our customers. Right now, we sell Real Media services with our hosting plans. But, we're having more and more requests for a more robust offering. That means more features and control at a better price. We need a wholesale provider with infrastructure tuned specifically to media streaming. We don't care whether it is on dedicated servers or shared. But, it must be a managed environment because it is much cheaper to outsource the lower level tech and administrative services to the streaming services provider. Anybody on this list know of anyone offering these services? _______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast at xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast _______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast at xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From fred at batanga.com Wed Jun 22 20:13:30 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 16:13:30 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: <1119470897.32189.224.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: Great. Wonder if Oddsock can make a new exe? Also, if using the Intro feature and Relays, I assume that I need to define the intros on the slaves, not the master? Thanks, Fred -----Original Message----- From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 4:08 PM To: Fred Black Subject: RE: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 20:24, Fred Black wrote: > Karl, > There are no errors in the error log. > I've attached the files you requested. I tried experimenting with the > password so you may see some strange things in the xml files - however > nothing I did made a difference. > Thanks for your help. Depending on the version used, there was a bug in the relay listing code, the socket wasn't being close for such cases due to some code migration that wasn't complete 2.2.0-kh11b (and svn) should fix that, although I should be uploading a kh12 soon enough karl. From ksb at platypusgroup.com Thu Jun 23 01:37:21 2005 From: ksb at platypusgroup.com (Kevin S. Brackett) Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 21:37:21 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Icecast] Off topic? Ices0 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <20050622213554.O76528@tsunami.platypusgroup.com> Anyone know why ices0.4 is doing this... previous 0.3 had no problems w/ same setup. rcmdsh: unknown user: ??$?PjV?s???? FX Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:7144/starfishy, error: Login failed Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:7144/starfishy, error: Login failed Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:7144/starfishy, error: Login failed Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:7144/starfishy, error: Login failed Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:7144/starfishy, error: Login failed Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:7144/starfishy, error: Login failed Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:7144/starfishy, error: Login failed Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:7144/starfishy, error: Login failed Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:7144/starfishy, error: Login failed Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:7144/starfishy, error: Login failed Too many stream errors, giving up DEBUG: Interpreting [ices_shutdown] Perl subsystem shutting down: DEBUG: perl [ices_shutdown] returned 1 values, last [1] DEBUG: Done interpreting [ices_shutdown] Ices Exiting... rcmdsh: unknown user: ??$?PjV?s???? FX Bus error (core dumped) built from latest freebsd port. From beathink at optonline.net Thu Jun 16 01:15:56 2005 From: beathink at optonline.net (Joshua Dick) Date: Wed, 15 Jun 2005 21:15:56 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] ID3v2 Support in ezstream Message-ID: <42B0D2CC.5040401@optonline.net> Hi, all, I'm running the latest Windows binary of ezstream. I noticed that it is unable to read ID3v2 tags from MP3s, but it handles ID3v1 tags just fine. Is this the fault of madplayer, or ezstream? Is there a way to get ID3v2 tags working with ezstream? (Currently, it is reading the metadata as '-'.) If not, is ID3v2 support planned in the next release? Thanks in advance, Josh Dick http://joshdick.net From nida at musc.edu Sat Jun 18 02:55:59 2005 From: nida at musc.edu (Adrian Nida) Date: Fri, 17 Jun 2005 22:55:59 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] DragonFly BSD icecast HOWTO Message-ID: <1119063359.42b38d3f42bcf@webmail.musc.edu> Dear icecast users and developers, Please note, I have created a HOWTO that discusses how to install and configure icecast and ices2 to play a playlist of oggs on a DragonFly BSD machine. You can review it by following the link below. Feel free to give me any feedback you feel is necessary. Also, please CC me on replies because I am not on the list. Keep up the good work! Thanks, Adrian ----- Forwarded message from Me ----- Date: Thu, 16 Jun 2005 12:05:14 +0000 From: Me Subject: HOWTO icecast To: dragonflybsd.org's doc and users mailing lists With cross-post apologies... All, I finally made a chance to finish my HOWTO for setting up an icecast/ices2 server. For those that are unfamilar with this technology, it allows you to stream audio across the Internet. Please review, comment, etc. http://wiki.dragonflybsd.org/index.php/HOWTO/icecast If anyone has an idea for another HOWTO, I'm all ears. Thanks, Adrian ----- End forwarded message ----- -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: unnamed Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 842 bytes Desc: not available URL: From k.j.wierenga at home.nl Thu Jun 23 06:07:06 2005 From: k.j.wierenga at home.nl (Klaas Jan Wierenga) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 08:07:06 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] running icecast and a webserver on same port In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, You can if your machine is assigned two IP addresses. Then you can bind the webserver to port 80 on the first IP-adres and bind icecast to port 80 on the second IP-address. Hope this is helpful. Regards, KJ -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org]Namens Laust Brock-Nannestad Verzonden: woensdag 22 juni 2005 2:27 Aan: icecast at xiph.org Onderwerp: Re: [Icecast] running icecast and a webserver on same port On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Saul Qui?ones wrote: > Hi all!! Does anyone know if you can have your > web server running on port 80 and also icecast on the > same port in a easy way??. Thanks in advance!! You can't run both on the same port, but you can pass the stream through a a CGI script - from Icecast (running on the normal port 8000 for example) and on to listeners connecting to the web server on port 80. It's not without some problems, though: 1. Some web servers (like Apache 1.3) _always_ add headers to the output of CGI scripts, so you don't get a "clean" copy of Icecast's output. Certain players don't mind the extra headers (foobar2000 on Windows, and ogg123), but others (Winamp and Windows Media Player) get confused and will refuse to play the stream. With other web servers (thttpd is one I've tried) that don't add any headers to the output of CGI scripts, it seems to work quite well, however. 2. Since traffic on port 80 is sometimes proxied/cached (based on the assumption that it's normal web traffic) at the other end, there's a chance you'll have proxies taking up connections on your server even after the actual listener has disconnected. 3. Performance probably isn't so great, but this shouldn't be a concern unless you have many listeners. If this hasn't discouraged you from trying, the "webamp" Perl script mentioned in the following article makes a suitable pass-thru CGI script with minor modifications: http://www.perlfect.com/articles/streaming.shtml Regards, Laust _______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast at xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From alex at mordormx.net Thu Jun 23 14:39:47 2005 From: alex at mordormx.net (alex) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:39:47 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] About Fallback-mount and fallback-override Message-ID: <20050623143947.28958.qmail@station175.com> Hi there! I have icecast 2.2.0 I have setup the icecast default mp3 mount point /stream with shoutcast dsp compatibility Suppouse i have a couple of djs, and that the first one finish his broadcast and the second one is going to start the users listening to the dj1 falls, so they have to reconnect to continue listening. I saw exists /example2.ogg 1 But in the example config apply to a specific mount, does this apply to the /stream mount? if i declare this one outside of the mount area works? Or Does exist any other alternative to keep to the users listening when exist a dj change broadcasting from another place in the world?. And the last question. Do you know any php script to recover the metadata and show it on a web page? I made this one, however i think is not the best answer, may be some one out there has something. "; echo substr($handle[2],7,$final); } ?> This script just recover the data presented by the example status2.xsl takes the line when the songs name appear and delete some characters to leave just the song name. From eric at wearesp.com Thu Jun 23 16:34:20 2005 From: eric at wearesp.com (Eric Robinson) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:34:20 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Froums In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Again i point out the benefite of a forum in this perticular manner. It has become apparent that there is someone on this list serve taking email addresses and sending spam (to its individuals and not directly to the list) because i created this email addess specifically for this list serve It is not listed online anywhere or registered on any webpages. But i started getting spam in it just hours after sending my first message to the list. On a forum this would not happen From jason at zenenet.com Thu Jun 23 16:41:14 2005 From: jason at zenenet.com (Jason S Salaz) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 09:41:14 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] Froums In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <42BAE62A.3040801@zenenet.com> That's a complete and total lie. OOTB (Out of the box) phpBB implements no e-mail munging or otherwise spam protection. Just FYI. Eric Robinson wrote: > Again i point out the benefite of a forum in this perticular manner. > > It has become apparent that there is someone on this list serve > taking email addresses and sending spam > (to its individuals and not directly to the list) > because i created this email addess specifically for this list serve > It is not listed online anywhere or registered on any webpages. > > But i started getting spam in it just hours after sending my first message > to the list. > > On a forum this would not happen > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From eric at wearesp.com Thu Jun 23 16:50:03 2005 From: eric at wearesp.com (Eric Robinson) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:50:03 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Froums In-Reply-To: <42BAE62A.3040801@zenenet.com> Message-ID: Jason i think you have misread me Im not saying that the phpBB system would have spam runing through it Im saying that on this list serv someone is spaming. They are not spamming to the list they are spamming email accounts instead. I have used phpBB and it works just fine both from a user and an admin end. i would prefer it for THIS reason but there are still reasons i would NOT like to use it. What part may i ask is the lie? -----Original Message----- From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org]On Behalf Of Jason S Salaz Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 12:41 PM To: icecast at xiph.org Subject: Re: [Icecast] Froums That's a complete and total lie. OOTB (Out of the box) phpBB implements no e-mail munging or otherwise spam protection. Just FYI. Eric Robinson wrote: > Again i point out the benefite of a forum in this perticular manner. > > It has become apparent that there is someone on this list serve > taking email addresses and sending spam > (to its individuals and not directly to the list) > because i created this email addess specifically for this list serve > It is not listed online anywhere or registered on any webpages. > > But i started getting spam in it just hours after sending my first message > to the list. > > On a forum this would not happen > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast _______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast at xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From geoff at radioleft.com Thu Jun 23 17:43:22 2005 From: geoff at radioleft.com (Geoff Staples) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 12:43:22 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] Froums In-Reply-To: <42BAE62A.3040801@zenenet.com> References: <42BAE62A.3040801@zenenet.com> Message-ID: <42BAF4BA.8000207@radioleft.com> When you set up phpBB, the admin can specify defaults. They include "Make email address private" and "Allow members to receive private messages" The admin would set they defaults to "yes" and "no" respectively. That means the member would have to take an action (change a setting in his profile or on an individual post) for his email address to be exposed. Geoff Jason S Salaz wrote: >That's a complete and total lie. >OOTB (Out of the box) phpBB implements no e-mail munging or otherwise >spam protection. > >Just FYI. > >Eric Robinson wrote: > > >>Again i point out the benefite of a forum in this perticular manner. >> >>It has become apparent that there is someone on this list serve >> taking email addresses and sending spam >>(to its individuals and not directly to the list) >>because i created this email addess specifically for this list serve >>It is not listed online anywhere or registered on any webpages. >> >>But i started getting spam in it just hours after sending my first message >>to the list. >> >>On a forum this would not happen >>_______________________________________________ >>Icecast mailing list >>Icecast at xiph.org >>http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast at xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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As for spamming the icecast mailing list users, if you goto http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/ you will see the archives for the list and the software they use edits email addresses so they can't be just copied from the site and spammed right away. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=Ottawa Valley Weather-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Weather @ 2:04pm - Temp: 27.1?C - Humidity 29% - Wind: W @ 0 km/h Baro: 1002kPa Falling - Vis: 14km - Sky: Clear - Weather: --- Hourly Rain: 0.00mm - Daily Rain: 0.00mm - Total Rain(May 28th): 0.00mm =-=-=-= Website: http://www.WeatherServer.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Our Alert Lists: MTO-PEEL, MTO-TORONTO, MTO-YORK, NHC, OntarioDiscussion, SPC, USThunderStormWarnings, USTornadoWarnings, WxDispatch Signup at http://listserver.weatherserver.net today..... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From eric at wearesp.com Thu Jun 23 18:12:13 2005 From: eric at wearesp.com (Eric Robinson) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 14:12:13 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Forums, Lists and Spam In-Reply-To: <004301c5781e$6a2ccc80$1400000a@workstation> Message-ID: Yes Jason i understand your comment and the way the technology works but just as easily as i can copy and paste your address Jason at Weatherserver.net i could be anyone else doing the same thing one at a time from any new message that go through the list i hope you understand thanks -----Original Message----- From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org]On Behalf Of Jason Sent: Thursday, June 23, 2005 2:07 PM To: icecast at xiph.org Subject: [Icecast] Forums, Lists and Spam Even with forums spam can happen. The most likely cause of spam is people putting there email address in the body of the message either telling someone to email them or in a signature line. As for spamming the icecast mailing list users, if you goto http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/ you will see the archives for the list and the software they use edits email addresses so they can't be just copied from the site and spammed right away. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=Ottawa Valley Weather-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Weather @ 2:04pm - Temp: 27.1?C - Humidity 29% - Wind: W @ 0 km/h Baro: 1002kPa Falling - Vis: 14km - Sky: Clear - Weather: --- Hourly Rain: 0.00mm - Daily Rain: 0.00mm - Total Rain(May 28th): 0.00mm =-=-=-= Website: http://www.WeatherServer.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Our Alert Lists: MTO-PEEL, MTO-TORONTO, MTO-YORK, NHC, OntarioDiscussion, SPC, USThunderStormWarnings, USTornadoWarnings, WxDispatch Signup at http://listserver.weatherserver.net today..... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff at radioleft.com Thu Jun 23 18:25:46 2005 From: geoff at radioleft.com (Geoff Staples) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 13:25:46 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] bbs could improve listserv spam defenses Message-ID: <42BAFEAA.3080906@radioleft.com> Yes, people can get spammed on a BBS. But, if they post their email on the bulletin board, it's there fault if they get spammed. Not the BBS software. On this listserv: It is public. I could subscribe and get email addresses that way or go to the archives and scan them. Mailman does have an option that removes the sender's address before a post is sent to the list. Perhaps, that should be done. Then, if someone wants to put their email address in their signature they can. In fact, the listserv sender address could be obscured and you could put a link to the private message area of the bbs so that anyone who is a member could contact you privately - without having your email address. So, the bbs, used properly could improve the spam defenses available to the listserv. From maillists at conactive.com Thu Jun 23 19:32:04 2005 From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:32:04 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] New Forum In-Reply-To: <42B6CCB3.1020309@radioleft.com> References: <42B6CCB3.1020309@radioleft.com> Message-ID: Geoff Staples wrote on Mon, 20 Jun 2005 09:03:31 -0500: > How do people feel about eliminating the list serv in favor of the forum? Do you have so much spare time that you prefer a web forum over a mailing list? Kai -- Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org From maillists at conactive.com Thu Jun 23 19:32:04 2005 From: maillists at conactive.com (Kai Schaetzl) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:32:04 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Forums, Lists and Spam In-Reply-To: <004301c5781e$6a2ccc80$1400000a@workstation> References: <004301c5781e$6a2ccc80$1400000a@workstation> Message-ID: Folks, what is it that you suddenly start talking about spam, even in two different threads? I rarely get spam on my mailing list address and I'm subscribed to several lists with the same address. Kai -- Kai Sch?tzl, Berlin, Germany Get your web at Conactive Internet Services: http://www.conactive.com IE-Center: http://ie5.de & http://msie.winware.org From ml at imux.net Thu Jun 23 20:11:22 2005 From: ml at imux.net (ml) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 21:11:22 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] Froums In-Reply-To: <42BAF4BA.8000207@radioleft.com> References: <42BAE62A.3040801@zenenet.com> <42BAF4BA.8000207@radioleft.com> Message-ID: <42BB176A.8080804@imux.net> To reiterate Geoff's point... the web forum is setup not to show e-mail addresses by default, if you want it to be available you have to change the profile setting yourself. All this talk about spam is pointless. Moaning at people for the tools they use is just a waste of time. Some people like mailing lists, some like web fora. Just leave it at that! Stephen Geoff Staples wrote: > When you set up phpBB, the admin can specify defaults. > > They include "Make email address private" and "Allow members to receive > private messages" > > The admin would set they defaults to "yes" and "no" respectively. > > That means the member would have to take an action (change a setting in > his profile or on an individual post) for his email address to be exposed. > > Geoff > > Jason S Salaz wrote: > >> That's a complete and total lie. >> OOTB (Out of the box) phpBB implements no e-mail munging or otherwise >> spam protection. >> >> Just FYI. >> >> Eric Robinson wrote: >> >> >>> Again i point out the benefite of a forum in this perticular manner. >>> >>> It has become apparent that there is someone on this list serve >>> taking email addresses and sending spam >>> (to its individuals and not directly to the list) >>> because i created this email addess specifically for this list serve >>> It is not listed online anywhere or registered on any webpages. >>> >>> But i started getting spam in it just hours after sending my first >>> message >>> to the list. >>> >>> On a forum this would not happen >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Icecast mailing list >>> Icecast at xiph.org >>> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Icecast mailing list >> Icecast at xiph.org >> http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From Jason at Weatherserver.net Fri Jun 24 02:21:10 2005 From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 22:21:10 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Things I would like to see. Message-ID: <000601c57863$62cf85f0$1400000a@workstation> For the future if possible i'd like to see a couple of things in icecast. 1) being able to create/edit/delete static mount points from the web interface without neededing to edit the config file and restarting the server from a shell account. Like you can do right now with usernames and passwords 2) Be able to create/edit/delete relays from web interface (same as above) I don't know if these are possible or not but I figured I would toss them out there. -=-=-=-=-=-=-=Ottawa Valley Weather-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Weather @ 10:16pm - Temp: 16.5?C - Humidity 68% - Wind: E @ 0 km/h Baro: 999kPa Steady - Vis: 24km - Sky: Scattered Clouds - Weather: --- Hourly Rain: 0.00mm - Daily Rain: 0.00mm - Total Rain(May 28th): 0.00mm =-=-=-= Website: http://www.WeatherServer.net =-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Our Alert Lists: MTO-PEEL, MTO-TORONTO, MTO-YORK, NHC, OntarioDiscussion, SPC, USThunderStormWarnings, USTornadoWarnings, WxDispatch Signup at http://listserver.weatherserver.net today..... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From listreader at rambler.ru Fri Jun 24 09:08:54 2005 From: listreader at rambler.ru (Alexander A. Vlasov) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 12:08:54 +0300 Subject: [Icecast] Liveice? Message-ID: <20050624090853.GA12649@zulu.gala> Hi. Is this list a proper place to ask questions about Liveice? If not, please tell me where I can ask questions about it? -- WBR, Alexander A. Vlasov +38(039)2476081 From mlrsmith at gmail.com Fri Jun 24 15:40:47 2005 From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 16:40:47 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] Things I would like to see. In-Reply-To: <000601c57863$62cf85f0$1400000a@workstation> References: <000601c57863$62cf85f0$1400000a@workstation> Message-ID: <3c17372105062408407c17cc79@mail.gmail.com> On 6/24/05, Jason wrote: > For the future if possible i'd like to see a couple of things in icecast. > > 1) being able to create/edit/delete static mount points from the web > interface without neededing to edit the config file and restarting the > server from a shell account. Like you can do right now with usernames and > passwords > > 2) Be able to create/edit/delete relays from web interface (same as above) > > I don't know if these are possible or not but I figured I would toss them > out there. We don't allow this sort of thing because of potential security concerns (the admin interface all runs in clear-text, no encryption at all); anything that can cause the creation of files on the server requires editing the config file. This stuff does NOT require restarting the server, however - you just need to send a SIGHUP to tell icecast to reread the config file. I think relays should be safe to add/edit/delete, but how useful is that? You'd need to re-add them every time the server was restarted or the config file reread (anything causing the config file to be rewritten from the admin interface is not an option, unless someone adds SSL support to icecast). How often do people add temporary relays? Mike From fred at batanga.com Fri Jun 24 15:47:32 2005 From: fred at batanga.com (Fred Black) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 11:47:32 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Bump... -----Original Message----- From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On Behalf Of Fred Black Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 4:14 PM To: karl at xiph.org Cc: icecast at xiph.org Subject: RE: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise Great. Wonder if Oddsock can make a new exe? Also, if using the Intro feature and Relays, I assume that I need to define the intros on the slaves, not the master? Thanks, Fred -----Original Message----- From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 4:08 PM To: Fred Black Subject: RE: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 20:24, Fred Black wrote: > Karl, > There are no errors in the error log. > I've attached the files you requested. I tried experimenting with the > password so you may see some strange things in the xml files - however > nothing I did made a difference. > Thanks for your help. Depending on the version used, there was a bug in the relay listing code, the socket wasn't being close for such cases due to some code migration that wasn't complete 2.2.0-kh11b (and svn) should fix that, although I should be uploading a kh12 soon enough karl. _______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast at xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From karl at xiph.org Fri Jun 24 16:38:11 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 24 Jun 2005 17:38:11 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1119631088.6053.2.camel@bogus.hackers.club> I believe oddsock is away on holiday currently, so any windows builds will have to wait. karl. On Fri, 2005-06-24 at 16:47, Fred Black wrote: > Bump... > > -----Original Message----- > From: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] On Behalf > Of Fred Black > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 4:14 PM > To: karl at xiph.org > Cc: icecast at xiph.org > Subject: RE: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise > > Great. > Wonder if Oddsock can make a new exe? > > Also, if using the Intro feature and Relays, I assume that I need to define > the intros on the slaves, not the master? > > Thanks, > > Fred > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Karl Heyes [mailto:karl at xiph.org] > Sent: Wednesday, June 22, 2005 4:08 PM > To: Fred Black > Subject: RE: [Icecast] IceCast 2.2 MP3 stream and Real Player noise > > On Wed, 2005-06-22 at 20:24, Fred Black wrote: > > Karl, > > There are no errors in the error log. > > I've attached the files you requested. I tried experimenting with the > > password so you may see some strange things in the xml files - however > > nothing I did made a difference. > > Thanks for your help. > > Depending on the version used, there was a bug in the relay listing > code, the socket wasn't being close for such cases due to some code > migration that wasn't complete > > 2.2.0-kh11b (and svn) should fix that, although I should be uploading a > kh12 soon enough > > karl. From xiphmont at xiph.org Thu Jun 23 20:52:20 2005 From: xiphmont at xiph.org (Monty) Date: Thu, 23 Jun 2005 16:52:20 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Froums In-Reply-To: References: <42BAE62A.3040801@zenenet.com> Message-ID: <20050623205220.GA3040@xiph.org> On Thu, Jun 23, 2005 at 12:50:03PM -0400, Eric Robinson wrote: > Jason i think you have misread me > Im not saying that the phpBB system would have spam runing through it > Im saying that on this list serv someone is spaming. > They are not spamming to the list > they are spamming email accounts instead. Most likely, they're being harvested from the email list web archive. Simply put, if you're trying to use email in today's world without effective filtering, you're paddling upstream without a canoe. Monty From ml at imux.net Fri Jun 24 21:30:18 2005 From: ml at imux.net (ml) Date: Fri, 24 Jun 2005 22:30:18 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] Liveice? In-Reply-To: <20050624090853.GA12649@zulu.gala> References: <20050624090853.GA12649@zulu.gala> Message-ID: <42BC7B6A.7020202@imux.net> Alexander A. Vlasov wrote: > Hi. > > Is this list a proper place to ask questions about Liveice? If not, > please tell me where I can ask questions about it? Ask away :-) There is a Liveice mailing list http://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/liveice-user And there is the Icecast web forum http://forum.icecast.org/ Stephen http://liveice.sourceforge.net/ From Jason at Weatherserver.net Sat Jun 25 04:22:31 2005 From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 00:22:31 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Things I would like to see Message-ID: <000601c5793d$813d2080$1400000a@workstation> You know i'd settle just for relay setup on the web interface. 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URL: From dmehler26 at woh.rr.com Sun Jun 26 00:56:16 2005 From: dmehler26 at woh.rr.com (dave) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 20:56:16 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] icecast error with metadata Message-ID: <000901c579e9$dbf49fb0$0200a8c0@satellite> Hello, I've been running three mp3 streams off icecast2 and ices0 on a FreeBSD 5.4 box for a while. I've been getting some flakiness for a few weeks, where the stream would stop and i'd have to restart the server. After the last update to icecast2 now whenever i try to connect to the streams using say winamp latest for windows i keep getting error 404's. My software versions are: FreeBSD 5.4-stable icecast2-2.2.0_3,1 ices-0.4_2 libshout2-2.1,1 I've cranked up my icecast logs from 1 to 4 and i'm getting errors in the logs about metadata and the admin section. I'm running icecast2 and ices0 chrooted under /usr/local/share/icecast and mp3's are being served out of playlist.txt which is in /usr/local/share/icecast/conf/playlist.txt and referencing mp3's at /home/mp3, hope that all made sense. Here's my logs, any help appreciated. Thanks. Dave. access.log 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:39:28 +0000] "GET /admin/metadata HTTP/1.0" 400 83 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:39:39 +0000] "SOURCE /mc HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 11 192.168.0.2 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:39:53 +0000] "GET /mc HTTP/1.0" 404 109 "-" "WinampMPEG/5.09" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:40:43 +0000] "GET /admin/metadata HTTP/1.0" 400 83 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:40:44 +0000] "GET /admin/metadata HTTP/1.0" 400 83 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:40:55 +0000] "SOURCE /mc_l HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 12 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:41:59 +0000] "GET /admin/metadata HTTP/1.0" 400 83 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:41:59 +0000] "GET /admin/metadata HTTP/1.0" 400 83 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:42:10 +0000] "SOURCE /mc HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 11 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:43:14 +0000] "GET /admin/metadata HTTP/1.0" 400 83 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:43:15 +0000] "GET /admin/metadata HTTP/1.0" 400 83 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:43:26 +0000] "SOURCE /mc_l HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 12 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:44:30 +0000] "GET /admin/metadata HTTP/1.0" 400 83 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:44:30 +0000] "GET /admin/metadata HTTP/1.0" 400 83 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:44:41 +0000] "SOURCE /mc HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 11 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:45:45 +0000] "GET /admin/metadata HTTP/1.0" 400 83 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:45:45 +0000] "GET /admin/metadata HTTP/1.0" 400 83 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:45:57 +0000] "SOURCE /mc_l HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 12 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:47:00 +0000] "GET /admin/metadata HTTP/1.0" 400 83 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:47:00 +0000] "GET /admin/metadata HTTP/1.0" 200 64 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 0 127.0.0.1 - - [26/Jun/2005:00:47:11 +0000] "SOURCE /mc HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "ices/0.4 libshout/2.1" 11 error.log (trimmed) [2005-06-26 00:39:28] WARN admin/admin_handle_request Admin command metadata on non-existent source /mc [2005-06-26 00:39:28] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source logging in at mountpoint "/mc" [2005-06-26 00:39:28] DBUG connection/connection_complete_source sources count is 0 [2005-06-26 00:39:28] DBUG connection/connection_complete_source source is ready to start [2005-06-26 00:39:28] DBUG source/source_init Source creation complete [2005-06-26 00:39:29] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node connections (1) [2005-06-26 00:39:29] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node client_connections (1) [2005-06-26 00:39:29] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node connections (2) [2005-06-26 00:39:29] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node source_client_connections (1) [2005-06-26 00:39:29] DBUG stats/process_source_event new source stat /mc [2005-06-26 00:39:29] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node public (0) [2005-06-26 00:39:29] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node bitrate (128) [2005-06-26 00:39:29] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node audio_info (bitrate=128) [2005-06-26 00:39:29] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node listenurl (http://icecast.davemehler.com:8000/mc) [2005-06-26 00:39:29] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node sources (1) [2005-06-26 00:39:29] DBUG stats/modify_node_event update node source_total_connections (1) [2005-06-26 00:39:29] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node listeners (0) [2005-06-26 00:39:29] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node server_name (Local MP3 Stream) [2005-06-26 00:39:29] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node server_description (Favorite Mariah Carey Music High Bandwidth) [2005-06-26 00:39:39] DBUG source/get_next_buffer last 1119746368, timeout 10, now 1119746379 [2005-06-26 00:39:39] WARN source/get_next_buffer Disconnecting source due to socket timeout [2005-06-26 00:39:39] INFO source/source_shutdown Source "/mc" exiting [2005-06-26 00:39:39] DBUG source/source_clear_source clearing source "/mc" [2005-06-26 00:39:39] DBUG source/source_free_source freeing source "/mc" [2005-06-26 00:39:39] DBUG ices.log DEBUG: Delaying metadata update... Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: Socket error From karl at xiph.org Sun Jun 26 02:44:55 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 26 Jun 2005 03:44:55 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] icecast error with metadata In-Reply-To: <000901c579e9$dbf49fb0$0200a8c0@satellite> References: <000901c579e9$dbf49fb0$0200a8c0@satellite> Message-ID: <1119753891.6053.23.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 01:56, dave wrote: ... > [2005-06-26 00:39:29] DBUG stats/process_source_event new node > server_description (Favorite Mariah Carey Music High Bandwidth) > [2005-06-26 00:39:39] DBUG source/get_next_buffer last 1119746368, timeout > 10, now 1119746379 > [2005-06-26 00:39:39] WARN source/get_next_buffer Disconnecting source due > to socket timeout Hard to say from this, but 10 seconds had elapsed with no data coming down the socket so icecast dropped the connection. Either some network connection issue occurred causing the stall or ices was stuck doing something else and therefore not sending any data. Check to see if it's the same files causing a problem karl. From dmehler26 at woh.rr.com Sun Jun 26 03:31:34 2005 From: dmehler26 at woh.rr.com (dave) Date: Sat, 25 Jun 2005 23:31:34 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] icecast error with metadata References: <000901c579e9$dbf49fb0$0200a8c0@satellite> <1119753891.6053.23.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <000201c579ff$8dee8e50$0200a8c0@satellite> Hello, It's not ehe same file, i've got the playlist set to random play and it always does this. As for firewall i haven't changed anything on that box for two months but just to make sure i passed in everything. Is the metadata issue the problem or am i looking at the wrong area? The logs are quite large, maybe i chopped the wrong info. Dave. From karl at xiph.org Sun Jun 26 12:34:50 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 26 Jun 2005 13:34:50 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] icecast error with metadata In-Reply-To: <000201c579ff$8dee8e50$0200a8c0@satellite> References: <000901c579e9$dbf49fb0$0200a8c0@satellite> <1119753891.6053.23.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <000201c579ff$8dee8e50$0200a8c0@satellite> Message-ID: <1119789290.6053.37.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Sun, 2005-06-26 at 04:31, dave wrote: > Hello, > It's not ehe same file, i've got the playlist set to random play and it > always does this. As for firewall i haven't changed anything on that box for > two months but just to make sure i passed in everything. > Is the metadata issue the problem or am i looking at the wrong area? The > logs are quite large, maybe i chopped the wrong info. If you are looking for why the stream stops then you are looking for the right thing. The 10 seconds of no traffic at all is the cause of at least one of those cases. As the trigger is receiving no data, the usual causes for that are network outage or a stalled playlist generator in ices (where the playlist is created by some script). I would investigate what ices is doing when this occurs, find some pattern, like the same set of files, which can trigger this and find out if ices is sending anything or if does high CPU/memory usage or anything else if doesn't normally do. Without these details it becomes harder to identify the problem. karl. From justinabomb at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 18:03:15 2005 From: justinabomb at gmail.com (Justin Bot) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:03:15 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] running icecast and a webserver on same port In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <798b2d8305062611033cc7a930@mail.gmail.com> Care to shed some light on this? I have about 10 IPs that are at my disposal and 3 I've been keeping for spares and whatnot. Though binding them is a little beyond me. TIA Justin On 6/22/05, Klaas Jan Wierenga wrote: > > Hi, > > You can if your machine is assigned two IP addresses. Then you can bind the > webserver to port 80 on the first IP-adres and bind icecast to port 80 on > the second IP-address. > > Hope this is helpful. > > Regards, > KJ > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org]Namens > Laust Brock-Nannestad > Verzonden: woensdag 22 juni 2005 2:27 > Aan: icecast at xiph.org > Onderwerp: Re: [Icecast] running icecast and a webserver on same port > > > On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Saul Qui?ones wrote: > > > Hi all!! Does anyone know if you can have your > > web server running on port 80 and also icecast on the > > same port in a easy way??. Thanks in advance!! > > You can't run both on the same port, but you can pass the stream through a > a CGI script - from Icecast (running on the normal port 8000 for example) > and on to listeners connecting to the web server on port 80. It's not > without some problems, though: > > 1. Some web servers (like Apache 1.3) _always_ add headers to the output > of CGI scripts, so you don't get a "clean" copy of Icecast's output. > Certain players don't mind the extra headers (foobar2000 on Windows, and > ogg123), but others (Winamp and Windows Media Player) get confused and > will refuse to play the stream. With other web servers (thttpd is one I've > tried) that don't add any headers to the output of CGI scripts, it seems > to work quite well, however. > > 2. Since traffic on port 80 is sometimes proxied/cached (based on the > assumption that it's normal web traffic) at the other end, there's a > chance you'll have proxies taking up connections on your server even after > the actual listener has disconnected. > > 3. Performance probably isn't so great, but this shouldn't be a concern > unless you have many listeners. > > If this hasn't discouraged you from trying, the "webamp" Perl script > mentioned in the following article makes a suitable pass-thru CGI script > with minor modifications: > > http://www.perlfect.com/articles/streaming.shtml > > > Regards, > > Laust > > > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > From geoff at radioleft.com Sun Jun 26 18:13:50 2005 From: geoff at radioleft.com (Geoff Staples) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 13:13:50 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] running icecast and a webserver on same port In-Reply-To: <798b2d8305062611033cc7a930@mail.gmail.com> References: <798b2d8305062611033cc7a930@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <42BEF05E.8020302@radioleft.com> I'm curious about why you would want to run Icecast on port 80. Geoff Justin Bot wrote: >Care to shed some light on this? I have about 10 IPs that are at my >disposal and 3 I've been keeping for spares and whatnot. Though >binding them is a little beyond me. > >TIA > >Justin > >On 6/22/05, Klaas Jan Wierenga wrote: > > >>Hi, >> >>You can if your machine is assigned two IP addresses. Then you can bind the >>webserver to port 80 on the first IP-adres and bind icecast to port 80 on >>the second IP-address. >> >>Hope this is helpful. >> >>Regards, >>KJ >> >>-----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- >>Van: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org]Namens >>Laust Brock-Nannestad >>Verzonden: woensdag 22 juni 2005 2:27 >>Aan: icecast at xiph.org >>Onderwerp: Re: [Icecast] running icecast and a webserver on same port >> >> >>On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Saul Qui?ones wrote: >> >> >> >>>Hi all!! Does anyone know if you can have your >>>web server running on port 80 and also icecast on the >>>same port in a easy way??. Thanks in advance!! >>> >>> >>You can't run both on the same port, but you can pass the stream through a >>a CGI script - from Icecast (running on the normal port 8000 for example) >>and on to listeners connecting to the web server on port 80. It's not >>without some problems, though: >> >>1. Some web servers (like Apache 1.3) _always_ add headers to the output >>of CGI scripts, so you don't get a "clean" copy of Icecast's output. >>Certain players don't mind the extra headers (foobar2000 on Windows, and >>ogg123), but others (Winamp and Windows Media Player) get confused and >>will refuse to play the stream. With other web servers (thttpd is one I've >>tried) that don't add any headers to the output of CGI scripts, it seems >>to work quite well, however. >> >>2. Since traffic on port 80 is sometimes proxied/cached (based on the >>assumption that it's normal web traffic) at the other end, there's a >>chance you'll have proxies taking up connections on your server even after >>the actual listener has disconnected. >> >>3. Performance probably isn't so great, but this shouldn't be a concern >>unless you have many listeners. >> >>If this hasn't discouraged you from trying, the "webamp" Perl script >>mentioned in the following article makes a suitable pass-thru CGI script >>with minor modifications: >> >>http://www.perlfect.com/articles/streaming.shtml >> >> >>Regards, >> >>Laust >> >> >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Icecast mailing list >>Icecast at xiph.org >>http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast >> >>_______________________________________________ >>Icecast mailing list >>Icecast at xiph.org >>http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast >> >> >> >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast at xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From justinabomb at gmail.com Sun Jun 26 18:40:09 2005 From: justinabomb at gmail.com (Justin Bot) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 11:40:09 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] running icecast and a webserver on same port In-Reply-To: <42BEF05E.8020302@radioleft.com> References: <798b2d8305062611033cc7a930@mail.gmail.com> <42BEF05E.8020302@radioleft.com> Message-ID: <798b2d83050626114026df67ea@mail.gmail.com> In order to bypass most firewalls and ultimately makes the radio stream universal and 'idiot proof' for the newbies that just click on a link. It's also great for branding. On 6/26/05, Geoff Staples wrote: > I'm curious about why you would want to run Icecast on port 80. > > Geoff > > > Justin Bot wrote: > Care to shed some light on this? I have about 10 IPs that are at my > disposal and 3 I've been keeping for spares and whatnot. Though > binding them is a little beyond me. > > TIA > > Justin > > On 6/22/05, Klaas Jan Wierenga wrote: > > > Hi, > > You can if your machine is assigned two IP addresses. Then you can bind the > webserver to port 80 on the first IP-adres and bind icecast to port 80 on > the second IP-address. > > Hope this is helpful. > > Regards, > KJ > > -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- > Van: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org]Namens > Laust Brock-Nannestad > Verzonden: woensdag 22 juni 2005 2:27 > Aan: icecast at xiph.org > Onderwerp: Re: [Icecast] running icecast and a webserver on same port > > > On Wed, 22 Jun 2005, Saul Qui?ones wrote: > > > > Hi all!! Does anyone know if you can have your > web server running on port 80 and also icecast on the > same port in a easy way??. Thanks in advance!! > > You can't run both on the same port, but you can pass the stream through a > a CGI script - from Icecast (running on the normal port 8000 for example) > and on to listeners connecting to the web server on port 80. It's not > without some problems, though: > > 1. Some web servers (like Apache 1.3) _always_ add headers to the output > of CGI scripts, so you don't get a "clean" copy of Icecast's output. > Certain players don't mind the extra headers (foobar2000 on Windows, and > ogg123), but others (Winamp and Windows Media Player) get confused and > will refuse to play the stream. With other web servers (thttpd is one I've > tried) that don't add any headers to the output of CGI scripts, it seems > to work quite well, however. > > 2. Since traffic on port 80 is sometimes proxied/cached (based on the > assumption that it's normal web traffic) at the other end, there's a > chance you'll have proxies taking up connections on your server even after > the actual listener has disconnected. > > 3. Performance probably isn't so great, but this shouldn't be a concern > unless you have many listeners. > > If this hasn't discouraged you from trying, the "webamp" Perl script > mentioned in the following article makes a suitable pass-thru CGI script > with minor modifications: > > http://www.perlfect.com/articles/streaming.shtml > > > Regards, > > Laust > > > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > > From eric at wearesp.com Sun Jun 26 18:44:49 2005 From: eric at wearesp.com (Eric Robinson) Date: Sun, 26 Jun 2005 14:44:49 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Consulting for ICECAST SETUP? In-Reply-To: <3c173721050617143866a66835@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: So i was asked to shoot the request here in the list serv to get a proper responce. Im looking for someone to setup an Icecast server for me. Im not sure of what other questions to ask so ill start with that one and please reply to me DIRECTLY instead of to the list? This is more a private conversation then a public one as 90% of the list readers already understand this and dont need to be botherd with our conversation. Im looking for someone to setup a server for me and ill need to know your cost and why. From terrien at benchmark.fr Mon Jun 27 07:42:38 2005 From: terrien at benchmark.fr (Anthony Terrien) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 09:42:38 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] IE/FLASH/ICECAST Message-ID: <02c001c57aeb$cabc79e0$2200000a@BENCH3534> Hello, I've created a macromedia flash player in order to play icecast mp3 streaming. Icecast is configued on the port 8000 and It's ok with winamp. In my flash movie, I've used loadSound("",true) on a Sound object. It's ok on Mozilla based browsers but some user don't have sound on Internet Explorer. D't understand? Is there an issue? Thx -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mlrsmith at gmail.com Mon Jun 27 11:09:27 2005 From: mlrsmith at gmail.com (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 13:09:27 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] running icecast and a webserver on same port In-Reply-To: <798b2d8305062611033cc7a930@mail.gmail.com> References: <798b2d8305062611033cc7a930@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <3c17372105062704092a01b39d@mail.gmail.com> On 6/26/05, Justin Bot wrote: > Care to shed some light on this? I have about 10 IPs that are at my > disposal and 3 I've been keeping for spares and whatnot. Though > binding them is a little beyond me. Just set up your web server on port 80, bound to a specific IP (I don't, offhand, remember how to do this, but it's definately possible), then configure icecast on port 80, bound to a different IP (you can do this by using bind-address set to the IP you wish to use). Mike From michael.kamleitner at play.fm Mon Jun 27 18:33:01 2005 From: michael.kamleitner at play.fm (Michael Kamleitner) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:33:01 +0200 Subject: AW: [Icecast] IE/FLASH/ICECAST In-Reply-To: <02c001c57aeb$cabc79e0$2200000a@BENCH3534> Message-ID: <001a01c57b46$a6821fc0$6300a8c0@home4> hi, icecast 2.2.0 has to be patched slightly to work with flash-players using the sound-object - cant find the exact link to this, maybe one of the developers can explain? I just added 4 lines at the end of format_mp3_send_headers() in format_mp3.c: sock_write(client->con->sock, "Cache-Control: no-cache\r\n"); sock_write(client->con->sock, "Pragma: no-cache\r\n"); sock_write(client->con->sock, "Connection: keep-alive\r\n"); sock_write(client->con->sock, "Content-Length: 54000000\r\n"); can't remember why that is need, but it was necessary to get it work ;) greets, mike -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] Im Auftrag von Anthony Terrien Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2005 09:43 An: icecast at xiph.org Betreff: [Icecast] IE/FLASH/ICECAST Hello, I've created a macromedia flash player in order to play icecast mp3 streaming. Icecast is configued on the port 8000 and It's ok with winamp. In my flash movie, I've used loadSound("",true) on a Sound object. It's ok on Mozilla based browsers but some user don't have sound on Internet Explorer. D't understand? Is there an issue? Thx From karl at xiph.org Mon Jun 27 20:14:01 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 27 Jun 2005 21:14:01 +0100 Subject: AW: [Icecast] IE/FLASH/ICECAST In-Reply-To: <001a01c57b46$a6821fc0$6300a8c0@home4> References: <001a01c57b46$a6821fc0$6300a8c0@home4> Message-ID: <1119903240.6053.133.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 19:33, Michael Kamleitner wrote: > hi, > > icecast 2.2.0 has to be patched slightly to work with flash-players using > the sound-object - cant find the exact link to this, maybe one of the > developers can explain? I just added 4 lines at the end of > format_mp3_send_headers() in format_mp3.c: > > sock_write(client->con->sock, "Cache-Control: no-cache\r\n"); > sock_write(client->con->sock, "Pragma: no-cache\r\n"); > sock_write(client->con->sock, "Connection: keep-alive\r\n"); > sock_write(client->con->sock, "Content-Length: 54000000\r\n"); > > can't remember why that is need, but it was necessary to get it work ;) 2.2 already sends a content length header for flash clients although with a larger value than what is shown above. It's very unlikely that the other 3 headers will make any difference. karl From Jason at Weatherserver.net Mon Jun 27 20:31:54 2005 From: Jason at Weatherserver.net (Jason) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 16:31:54 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] IE/FLASH/ICECAST References: <001a01c57b46$a6821fc0$6300a8c0@home4> Message-ID: <000801c57b57$4243d4c0$1400000a@workstation> Any chance of sharing this Flash Player with the public? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Kamleitner" To: Sent: Monday, June 27, 2005 2:33 PM Subject: AW: [Icecast] IE/FLASH/ICECAST hi, icecast 2.2.0 has to be patched slightly to work with flash-players using the sound-object - cant find the exact link to this, maybe one of the developers can explain? I just added 4 lines at the end of format_mp3_send_headers() in format_mp3.c: sock_write(client->con->sock, "Cache-Control: no-cache\r\n"); sock_write(client->con->sock, "Pragma: no-cache\r\n"); sock_write(client->con->sock, "Connection: keep-alive\r\n"); sock_write(client->con->sock, "Content-Length: 54000000\r\n"); can't remember why that is need, but it was necessary to get it work ;) greets, mike -----Urspr?ngliche Nachricht----- Von: icecast-bounces at xiph.org [mailto:icecast-bounces at xiph.org] Im Auftrag von Anthony Terrien Gesendet: Montag, 27. Juni 2005 09:43 An: icecast at xiph.org Betreff: [Icecast] IE/FLASH/ICECAST Hello, I've created a macromedia flash player in order to play icecast mp3 streaming. Icecast is configued on the port 8000 and It's ok with winamp. In my flash movie, I've used loadSound("",true) on a Sound object. It's ok on Mozilla based browsers but some user don't have sound on Internet Explorer. D't understand? Is there an issue? Thx _______________________________________________ Icecast mailing list Icecast at xiph.org http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From colleen at 6pine.com Tue Jun 28 01:51:35 2005 From: colleen at 6pine.com (Colleen ) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 21:51:35 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Song Requests and etc. Message-ID: <200506280151.j5S1pUW5007281@linux2.6pine.com> I've been using Shoutcast and Winamp for over a year now, but I've decided because of lack-of-stability to move it over to Icecast on a Fedora Core machine. I'm using Ices 0.4 for MP3's. Oddsock has an auto-song requester that I've been using, and it looks to be Win32 only. This is the link: http://www.oddsock.org/tools/gen_songrequester/ Anyway, I was wondering if there were any programs like this available with Ices 0.4. Additionally, is there any way to skip ahead or enqueue songs as you can in XMMS or Winamp? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From lpmusix at gmail.com Tue Jun 28 03:51:40 2005 From: lpmusix at gmail.com (Daniel Ballenger) Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2005 20:51:40 -0700 Subject: [Icecast] Song Requests and etc. In-Reply-To: <200506280151.j5S1pUW5007281@linux2.6pine.com> References: <200506280151.j5S1pUW5007281@linux2.6pine.com> Message-ID: <56755a705062720514227d229@mail.gmail.com> Greetings, Last december me and a few guys i know wrote up radio404 (http://r404.sf.net). I'm pretty sure this does what you're looking for, it's meant for use with oggs though, so either you'd have to patch it to work that way or I could do it for you if you need. -Daniel On 6/27/05, Colleen wrote: > > > > I've been using Shoutcast and Winamp for over a year now, but I've decided > because of lack-of-stability to move it over to Icecast on a Fedora Core > machine. I'm using Ices 0.4 for MP3's. Oddsock has an auto-song requester > that I've been using, and it looks to be Win32 only. This is the link: > http://www.oddsock.org/tools/gen_songrequester/ > > Anyway, I was wondering if there were any programs like this available with > Ices 0.4. > > Additionally, is there any way to skip ahead or enqueue songs as you can in > XMMS or Winamp? > > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > > -- Daniel Ballenger http://denetron.com Sr. Systems Administrator - Denetron LLC From college at nlcm.net Tue Jun 28 22:24:58 2005 From: college at nlcm.net (New Life Bible College and Seiminary) Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:24:58 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] Windows or Linux Message-ID: <001c01c57c30$3ab5e200$564e2542@com> We are undecided right now if we will be streaming through a linux based computer or through a windows computer. Any opinions out there? We have heard that windows presents a major problem with viruses, etc. when trying to stream. 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My preference is to run stuff on Linux/FreeBSD wherever possible, mostly because you don't need anything really beefy to run the server. -I From michael.kamleitner at play.fm Wed Jun 29 00:20:28 2005 From: michael.kamleitner at play.fm (Michael Kamleitner) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:20:28 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: [Icecast] IE/FLASH/ICECAST In-Reply-To: <1119903240.6053.133.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <003201c57c40$5a37ba80$6300a8c0@home4> > On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 19:33, Michael Kamleitner wrote: > > hi, > > > > icecast 2.2.0 has to be patched slightly to work with > flash-players using > > the sound-object - cant find the exact link to this, maybe > one of the > > developers can explain? I just added 4 lines at the end of > > format_mp3_send_headers() in format_mp3.c: > > > > sock_write(client->con->sock, "Cache-Control: no-cache\r\n"); > > sock_write(client->con->sock, "Pragma: no-cache\r\n"); > > sock_write(client->con->sock, "Connection: keep-alive\r\n"); > > sock_write(client->con->sock, "Content-Length: 54000000\r\n"); > > > > can't remember why that is need, but it was necessary to > get it work ;) > > 2.2 already sends a content length header for flash clients although > with a larger value than what is shown above. It's very unlikely that > the other 3 headers will make any difference. > > karl hi karl, I'm aware that u are the one who should now better than me ;), but I'm pretty sure that I have needed these patch to make my icecast 2.2.0 work with an internet explorer / flash-client... what I can't say is if it really needed all those 4 lines, maybe first 3 lines are not necessary... (or maybe I'm mixing up something, but I'm really pretty sure) greets, mike From karl at xiph.org Wed Jun 29 00:48:54 2005 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 29 Jun 2005 01:48:54 +0100 Subject: AW: AW: [Icecast] IE/FLASH/ICECAST In-Reply-To: <003201c57c40$5a37ba80$6300a8c0@home4> References: <003201c57c40$5a37ba80$6300a8c0@home4> Message-ID: <1120006133.6053.161.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 01:20, Michael Kamleitner wrote: > hi karl, > > I'm aware that u are the one who should now better than me ;), but I'm > pretty sure that I have needed these patch to make my icecast 2.2.0 work > with an internet explorer / flash-client... what I can't say is if it really > needed all those 4 lines, maybe first 3 lines are not necessary... > > (or maybe I'm mixing up something, but I'm really pretty sure) It's hard to say what flash/IE needs really, the content length did seem to be required but of course there may be other undocumented quirks. I don't use either of them personally, so if you get hard data on the matter then great. for reference, the content length is sent in format_mp3.c, format_mp3_send_headers, check the headers that are sent from the player. karl. From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Wed Jun 29 16:43:30 2005 From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:43:30 +0200 Subject: [Icecast] Windows or Linux In-Reply-To: <001c01c57c30$3ab5e200$564e2542@com> References: <001c01c57c30$3ab5e200$564e2542@com> Message-ID: <42C2CFB2.8030003@folkwang-hochschule.de> New Life Bible College and Seiminary wrote: > We are undecided right now if we will be streaming through a linux based > computer or through a windows computer. Any opinions out there? We > have heard that windows presents a major problem with viruses, etc. when > trying to stream. Also, can icecast be used with both linux and > windows? Thanks. i'd say use linux and donate the saved license fees to some charity. for linux-audio related questions, may i invite you to the linux audio users list at http://linuxaudiodev.org ? if you lack unix expertise, i'm sure you will find some kid in your community who's got or is willing to develop the necessary skills to keep a linux server running. From geoff at radioleft.com Wed Jun 29 11:56:26 2005 From: geoff at radioleft.com (Geoff Staples) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:56:26 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] Windows or Linux Message-ID: <42C28C6A.6040504@radioleft.com> I'd say use Linux for the Icecast server since that is something that you should be able to setup and forget - A little bit of maintenance, but, not a lot. So, you don't have to deal with it everyday. Then, use Windows, Mac, or Linux - whichever you are most comfortable with - to create the programming that feeds the Icecast server. Geoff From doc at krushradio.com Wed Jun 29 19:15:24 2005 From: doc at krushradio.com (Doc Nasty) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:15:24 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] Re: Icecast Digest, Vol 13, Issue 45 Message-ID: <9666b46e03391ebf529527c6a818dad8@krushradio.com> This is regarding the Flash player... There is nothing special that needs to be coded into your icecast 2.2.0 server to accomplish this. I've been streaming it thru Flash now for 5 months. www.krushradio.com click on the click2listen button. It will launch my microsite. I'm streaming it on a Windows server, and I'm using my own software to drop xml files for the player to read the available streams and the current song playing, for those of you who ask. ~Doc -----Original message----- From: icecast-request at xiph.org Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 14:00:02 -0500 To: icecast at xiph.org Subject: Icecast Digest, Vol 13, Issue 45 > Send Icecast mailing list submissions to > icecast at xiph.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > icecast-request at xiph.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > icecast-owner at xiph.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Icecast digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Windows or Linux (New Life Bible College and Seiminary) > 2. Re: Windows or Linux (Ian A. Underwood) > 3. AW: AW: [Icecast] IE/FLASH/ICECAST (Michael Kamleitner) > 4. Re: AW: AW: [Icecast] IE/FLASH/ICECAST (Karl Heyes) > 5. Re: Windows or Linux (Joern Nettingsmeier) > 6. Windows or Linux (Geoff Staples) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 18:24:58 -0400 > From: "New Life Bible College and Seiminary" > Subject: [Icecast] Windows or Linux > To: > Message-ID: <001c01c57c30$3ab5e200$564e2542 at com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > We are undecided right now if we will be streaming through a linux based computer or through a windows computer. Any opinions out there? We have heard that windows presents a major problem with viruses, etc. when trying to stream. Also, can icecast be used with both linux and windows? Thanks. > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/icecast/attachments/20050628/16027338/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Tue, 28 Jun 2005 20:11:35 -0400 > From: "Ian A. Underwood" > Subject: Re: [Icecast] Windows or Linux > To: icecast > Message-ID: <42C1E737.6020906 at dcne.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > New Life Bible College and Seiminary wrote: > > We are undecided right now if we will be streaming through a linux based > > computer or through a windows computer. Any opinions out there? We > > have heard that windows presents a major problem with viruses, etc. when > > trying to stream. Also, can icecast be used with both linux and > > windows? Thanks. > > Given a properly firewalled and secured system, I'd have to say it's > administrator preference as to what server gets run. > > My preference is to run stuff on Linux/FreeBSD wherever possible, mostly > because you don't need anything really beefy to run the server. > > -I > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 02:20:28 +0200 > From: "Michael Kamleitner" > Subject: AW: AW: [Icecast] IE/FLASH/ICECAST > To: "'icecast'" > Message-ID: <003201c57c40$5a37ba80$6300a8c0 at home4> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > > On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 19:33, Michael Kamleitner wrote: > > > hi, > > > > > > icecast 2.2.0 has to be patched slightly to work with > > flash-players using > > > the sound-object - cant find the exact link to this, maybe > > one of the > > > developers can explain? I just added 4 lines at the end of > > > format_mp3_send_headers() in format_mp3.c: > > > > > > sock_write(client->con->sock, "Cache-Control: no-cache\r\n"); > > > sock_write(client->con->sock, "Pragma: no-cache\r\n"); > > > sock_write(client->con->sock, "Connection: keep-alive\r\n"); > > > sock_write(client->con->sock, "Content-Length: 54000000\r\n"); > > > > > > can't remember why that is need, but it was necessary to > > get it work ;) > > > > 2.2 already sends a content length header for flash clients although > > with a larger value than what is shown above. It's very unlikely that > > the other 3 headers will make any difference. > > > > karl > > > hi karl, > > I'm aware that u are the one who should now better than me ;), but I'm > pretty sure that I have needed these patch to make my icecast 2.2.0 work > with an internet explorer / flash-client... what I can't say is if it really > needed all those 4 lines, maybe first 3 lines are not necessary... > > (or maybe I'm mixing up something, but I'm really pretty sure) > > greets, > mike > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: 29 Jun 2005 01:48:54 +0100 > From: Karl Heyes > Subject: Re: AW: AW: [Icecast] IE/FLASH/ICECAST > To: Michael Kamleitner > Cc: 'icecast' > Message-ID: <1120006133.6053.161.camel at bogus.hackers.club> > Content-Type: text/plain > > On Wed, 2005-06-29 at 01:20, Michael Kamleitner wrote: > > > hi karl, > > > > I'm aware that u are the one who should now better than me ;), but I'm > > pretty sure that I have needed these patch to make my icecast 2.2.0 work > > with an internet explorer / flash-client... what I can't say is if it really > > needed all those 4 lines, maybe first 3 lines are not necessary... > > > > (or maybe I'm mixing up something, but I'm really pretty sure) > > It's hard to say what flash/IE needs really, the content length did seem > to be required but of course there may be other undocumented quirks. I > don't use either of them personally, so if you get hard data on the > matter then great. > > for reference, the content length is sent in format_mp3.c, > format_mp3_send_headers, check the headers that are sent from the > player. > > karl. > > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 18:43:30 +0200 > From: Joern Nettingsmeier > Subject: Re: [Icecast] Windows or Linux > To: New Life Bible College and Seiminary > Cc: icecast at xiph.org > Message-ID: <42C2CFB2.8030003 at folkwang-hochschule.de> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > New Life Bible College and Seiminary wrote: > > We are undecided right now if we will be streaming through a linux based > > computer or through a windows computer. Any opinions out there? We > > have heard that windows presents a major problem with viruses, etc. when > > trying to stream. Also, can icecast be used with both linux and > > windows? Thanks. > > i'd say use linux and donate the saved license fees to some charity. for > linux-audio related questions, may i invite you to the linux audio users > list at http://linuxaudiodev.org ? > if you lack unix expertise, i'm sure you will find some kid in your > community who's got or is willing to develop the necessary skills to > keep a linux server running. > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 06:56:26 -0500 > From: Geoff Staples > Subject: [Icecast] Windows or Linux > To: icecast > Message-ID: <42C28C6A.6040504 at radioleft.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed > > I'd say use Linux for the Icecast server since that is something that > you should be able to setup and forget - A little bit of maintenance, > but, not a lot. So, you don't have to deal with it everyday. > > Then, use Windows, Mac, or Linux - whichever you are most comfortable > with - to create the programming that feeds the Icecast server. > > Geoff > > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Icecast mailing list > Icecast at xiph.org > http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > > End of Icecast Digest, Vol 13, Issue 45 > *************************************** From oddsock at oddsock.org Wed Jun 29 09:00:09 2005 From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 04:00:09 -0500 Subject: AW: AW: [Icecast] IE/FLASH/ICECAST In-Reply-To: <003201c57c40$5a37ba80$6300a8c0@home4> References: <1119903240.6053.133.camel@bogus.hackers.club> <003201c57c40$5a37ba80$6300a8c0@home4> Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.2.20050629035327.03e4e228@www.oddsock.org> I was the one that mad ethe chnge to support flash clients, and Karl is correct, only the content-length was needed to enable it to begin working. I used the following player as a reference http://www.sonify.org/home/feature/remixology/026_mp3player/ . I'm assuming that all derivative players will use the same mechanism, and also I only testing with MP3 (of course because Flash doesn't currently support streaming anything but mp3). If you use the flash player mentioned in the artlcle with icecast 2.2 stock, and it still doesnt work, then please let us know... :) oddsock goes back to his vacation :) At 07:20 PM 6/28/2005, you wrote: > > On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 19:33, Michael Kamleitner wrote: > > > hi, > > > > > > icecast 2.2.0 has to be patched slightly to work with > > flash-players using > > > the sound-object - cant find the exact link to this, maybe > > one of the > > > developers can explain? I just added 4 lines at the end of > > > format_mp3_send_headers() in format_mp3.c: > > > > > > sock_write(client->con->sock, "Cache-Control: no-cache\r\n"); > > > sock_write(client->con->sock, "Pragma: no-cache\r\n"); > > > sock_write(client->con->sock, "Connection: keep-alive\r\n"); > > > sock_write(client->con->sock, "Content-Length: 54000000\r\n"); > > > > > > can't remember why that is need, but it was necessary to > > get it work ;) > > > > 2.2 already sends a content length header for flash clients although > > with a larger value than what is shown above. It's very unlikely that > > the other 3 headers will make any difference. > > > > karl > > >hi karl, > >I'm aware that u are the one who should now better than me ;), but I'm >pretty sure that I have needed these patch to make my icecast 2.2.0 work >with an internet explorer / flash-client... what I can't say is if it really >needed all those 4 lines, maybe first 3 lines are not necessary... > >(or maybe I'm mixing up something, but I'm really pretty sure) > >greets, >mike > >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast at xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast From college at nlcm.net Thu Jun 30 18:59:07 2005 From: college at nlcm.net (New Life Bible College and Seiminary) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 14:59:07 -0400 Subject: [Icecast] What Does Icecast Do Message-ID: <004e01c57da5$cbf16d40$834e2542@com> Hello, I have another question as to what we need to use with our stations, if Icecast is what we need. We will be simulcasting three stations through DSL. No one will be accessing this but our stations. We will put out our programming from the main office, hook up a computer at three stations to receive the feed and put it out on air. Then also we will be on the internet with one of the stations. Someone told me that there were dedicated programs that are built just to stream from one station to the other, that other people can't access. They said that was best for streaming between stations. What are we best to do? Use one of these programs for that and then use Icecast for streaming through the internet? Any ideas? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ml at imux.net Thu Jun 30 20:26:04 2005 From: ml at imux.net (ml) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 21:26:04 +0100 Subject: [Icecast] What Does Icecast Do In-Reply-To: <004e01c57da5$cbf16d40$834e2542@com> References: <004e01c57da5$cbf16d40$834e2542@com> Message-ID: <42C4555C.7040407@imux.net> New Life Bible College and Seiminary wrote: > Hello, I have another question as to what we need to use with our > stations, if Icecast is what we need. We will be simulcasting three > stations through DSL. No one will be accessing this but our stations. > We will put out our programming from the main office, hook up a > computer at three stations to receive the feed and put it out on air. > Then also we will be on the internet with one of the stations. > Someone told me that there were dedicated programs that are built > just to stream from one station to the other, that other people can't > access. They said that was best for streaming between stations. What > are we best to do? Use one of these programs for that and then use > Icecast for streaming through the internet? Any ideas? http://liveice.sourceforge.net/understanding.html From geoff at radioleft.com Thu Jun 30 23:25:49 2005 From: geoff at radioleft.com (Geoff Staples) Date: Thu, 30 Jun 2005 18:25:49 -0500 Subject: [Icecast] What Does Icecast Do In-Reply-To: <004e01c57da5$cbf16d40$834e2542@com> References: <004e01c57da5$cbf16d40$834e2542@com> Message-ID: <42C47F7D.8090001@radioleft.com> If you are broadcasting the same feed on all three stations, then, you can encode at a high bit rate (FM quality - see the Icecast documentation to decide format and bit rate). Then, use Icecast to serve the feed and your stations can then attach to the feed and receive their signal. You can use authentication, or even an obscure mount name (If it isn't published anywhere, how could anyone guess that your feed is on http://232.156.023.232/uTe8GQ64.ogg) But, here's a practical consideration: If you stream a private feed for your other stations to pick-up for rebroadcast, you will have a latency caused by buffering and other factors. So, you won't be able to have a program at a remote station start at exactly 10:00, for example. Nor will you be able to have the three stations synchronized. The big advantage of streaming technology is that the origination point and the access points can be literally anywhere the Internet is available with no advance planning. You can even use wireless Internet technologies for broadcasting or receiving. But, it sounds like your origination point and your three access points are fixed locations - and there are only three of them. Since you're talking about fixed locations and especially if you're broadcasting 24 hours per day, you may find that ISDN telephone lines are more reliable and less expensive (or at least competitive) than Internet technology. Of course, you would still use Icecast for streaming to your audience as you mentioned no matter what you do for the links to your three radio stations. Geoff New Life Bible College and Seiminary wrote: > Hello, > I have another question as to what we need to use with our stations, > if Icecast is what we need. We will be simulcasting three stations > through DSL. No one will be accessing this but our stations. We will > put out our programming from the main office, hook up a computer at > three stations to receive the feed and put it out on air. Then also > we will be on the internet with one of the stations. Someone told me > that there were dedicated programs that are built just to stream from > one station to the other, that other people can't access. They said > that was best for streaming between stations. What are we best to > do? Use one of these programs for that and then use Icecast for > streaming through the internet? Any ideas? > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Icecast mailing list >Icecast at xiph.org >http://lists.xiph.org/mailman/listinfo/icecast > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >No virus found in this incoming message. >Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. >Version: 7.0.323 / Virus Database: 267.8.6/33 - Release Date: 6/28/2005 > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From geoff at hostricity.com Wed Jun 29 23:12:34 2005 From: geoff at hostricity.com (Geoff Staples) Date: Wed, 29 Jun 2005 23:12:34 -0000 Subject: [Icecast] Typically, you would... Message-ID: <42C32ABE.6030503@hostricity.com> If you are streaming a terrestrial radio station, the feed would go to an encoder and the encoded stream would be served by Icecast. You might want to think about how large an audience you plan to serve. If it will be large, you probably don't want to serve it to the listeners yourself. Instead, you would contract with a stream aggregator. You would push your steam to the aggregator or the aggregator would pull your stream and then listeners would connect to the stream on an Icecast server at the stream aggregator's NOC. Depending on the cost of your bandwidth, it may even be cheaper to use an aggregator instead of streaming yourself. Geoff