From medwards at ualberta.ca  Mon Mar  1 07:42:17 2004
From: medwards at ualberta.ca (M Edwards)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 00:42:17 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Bizarre (and irritating) ices2 error
Message-ID: <4046722B@webmail.ualberta.ca>



I get this error every time I try to start ices:

ices: relocation error: ices: undefined symbol: resolver_initialize

I'm running a Celeron with 64MB of RAM which up until last moth, ran ices with 
absolutely no complaint.

Here are the steps I've taken to resolve this problem:
Full update from debian/unstable
-no effect
Full reinstall of all dependencies using CVS checkouts
-ices fails to compile claiming libshout isn't thread-safe. I've done 
everything in my power to make sure the libraries are there for libshout and 
during its ./configure run it appears to find -pthread (or whatever the fourth 
option is)
Installation of libshout3 and ices2 debian packages from Keegan's site
-no effect

There is absolutely no documentation on this error from google. In fact the 
closest I get is a CVS examination of a commit included ices.c 
(http://www.xiph.org/archives/cvs/3587.html) where resolver_initalize is 
REMOVED in favor of shout_init (if my reading is correct).

So I'm very confused. I've probably lost huge segments of my listening 
population to date and was hoping that finally having some time to put towards 
fixing the error might result in an answer. But it hasn't.

--thanks
Michael Edwards
http://www.walledcity.ca/mars

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Mon Mar  1 07:55:00 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 17:55:00 +1000
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
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Hi:

IceShare looks quite promising, not sure where they're at as regards actual
code.

http://www.iceshare.org

Geoff.

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From lemmingsml at nerim.fr  Mon Mar  1 10:21:16 2004
From: lemmingsml at nerim.fr (EISELE Pascal)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:21:16 +0100
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes <= broadcasting : the state of art ?
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Hi,

Our webradio (Let's Go Zik - http://www.letsgozik.com) works with 
donation and partenship. I think it's the only way to keep a webradio 
alive for the moment... We are making our radio in a associative way... 
It's quite hard to "find" listeners. Currently we are nearly 
broadcasting for 60 simultaneous listeners (and approx. 5000 differents 
listeners per months)...
The problem is the same for everybody : bandwith !
Multicast is not a reliable solution for the moment because operating 
systems such as Windows doesn't support it yet (Windows 95,95,ME,NT). 
Moreover, the worldwilde web is not multicast ready yet !
The P2P broadcasting is not the solution, I think... Here (in France), 
connection speed are 512 Kbps for download and 128 Kbps for upload. So, 
a listener couldn't re-send correctly the stream to another. Moreover, 
P2P broadcasting increase delay between the "real sound" (that are 
encoded at the studio) and the sound heard by listeners...
I think that a Java Applet for P2P webradio should be great but it's not 
possible... Java Applets cannot be connected to something different from 
the server that they come from. In fact, it's possible but you must 
"sign" the applet with a official and valide certificate. Such 
certificates costs 200$ or euros per years...

Bests regards,
Pascal EISELE (alias Lemmings)
http://www.letsgozik.com

<p>Geoff Shang wrote:

>Hi:
>
>IceShare looks quite promising, not sure where they're at as regards actual
>code.
>
>http://www.iceshare.org
>
>Geoff.
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From stefan at neufeind.net  Mon Mar  1 10:29:57 2004
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 11:29:57 +0100
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes <= broadcasting : the state of art ?
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On 1 Mar 2004 at 11:21, EISELE Pascal wrote:

> Our webradio (Let's Go Zik - http://www.letsgozik.com) works with
> donation and partenship. I think it's the only way to keep a webradio
> alive for the moment... We are making our radio in a associative
> way... It's quite hard to "find" listeners. Currently we are nearly
> broadcasting for 60 simultaneous listeners (and approx. 5000
> differents listeners per months)... The problem is the same for
> everybody : bandwith ! Multicast is not a reliable solution for the
> moment because operating systems such as Windows doesn't support it
> yet (Windows 95,95,ME,NT). Moreover, the worldwilde web is not
> multicast ready yet ! The P2P broadcasting is not the solution, I
> think... Here (in France), connection speed are 512 Kbps for download
> and 128 Kbps for upload. So, a listener couldn't re-send correctly the
> stream to another. Moreover, P2P broadcasting increase delay between
> the "real sound" (that are encoded at the studio) and the sound heard
> by listeners... I think that a Java Applet for P2P webradio should be
> great but it's not possible... Java Applets cannot be connected to
> something different from the server that they come from. In fact, it's
> possible but you must "sign" the applet with a official and valide
> certificate. Such certificates costs 200$ or euros per years...

Only solution would be to use a self-signed cert, if you can get your 
users to accept that certificate. Have seen that with a chat-applet 
once, where all users were prompted by their browser to accept this 
self-signed applet. However then you have a problem if you trust the 
site (since the applet then has (almost) full control over your PC).

  Stefan
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From clement at frequence3.net  Mon Mar  1 10:45:18 2004
From: clement at frequence3.net (Clement Cavadore)
Date: 01 Mar 2004 11:45:18 +0100
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
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Le dim 29/02/2004 ? 22:55, MacSym a ?crit :
> About the new broadcasting methods, is the multicast technology already 
> available? I have heard only few providers are equipped with multicast
> enabled routers. 

It's not already available for "mass-broadcasting" such as unicast
broadcast :-(
We are trying multicast in partnership with an ISP, but... it's limited
to this ISP's network, that's why we cannot leave unicast streams...

<p>> What about p2p streaming, is it really reliable? When I see Peercast's
> statistics, only few  stations have more than 10 listeners currently 
> connected... Do you think p2p streaming could support an "unlimited" 
> number of listeners or is it only a utopia? Anyway, I am not sure many
> listeners would be attracted by p2p streaming until a reliable Applet
> is available. I mean, I know only few users that are ready to install
> additional software to listen to online music.

I don't really believe on the reliability of peercast.
It's a great idea, but there are so many people with ADSL broadband
connections at home, and who use their bandwidth for download, or "classic"
p2p such as kazaa or whatever... That's why I think it's hard to rely on
home connections.

Greets,
 

-- 
Cl?ment Cavadore
www.frequence3.org
Webradio Francophone

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From clement at frequence3.net  Mon Mar  1 10:54:38 2004
From: clement at frequence3.net (Clement Cavadore)
Date: 01 Mar 2004 11:54:38 +0100
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes <= broadcasting : the state of art ?
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Message-ID: <1078138479.1442.22.camel@washington>



Le lun 01/03/2004 ? 11:21, EISELE Pascal a ?crit :
> Our webradio (Let's Go Zik - http://www.letsgozik.com) works with 
> donation and partenship. I think it's the only way to keep a webradio 
> alive for the moment... We are making our radio in a associative way... 
> It's quite hard to "find" listeners. Currently we are nearly 
> broadcasting for 60 simultaneous listeners (and approx. 5000 differents 
> listeners per months)...

Yeah, and anyway... it's not possible to think about paying for bandwith
with streaming applications.... it's too greedy !

> The problem is the same for everybody : bandwith !
> Multicast is not a reliable solution for the moment because operating 
> systems such as Windows doesn't support it yet (Windows 95,95,ME,NT). 
> Moreover, the worldwilde web is not multicast ready yet !

Maybe with IPv6 (just dreamin', don't worry)... but IPv6 is not being to
arrive soonly :-(

> The P2P broadcasting is not the solution, I think... Here (in France), 
> connection speed are 512 Kbps for download and 128 Kbps for upload. So, 
> a listener couldn't re-send correctly the stream to another. Moreover, 
> P2P broadcasting increase delay between the "real sound" (that are 
> encoded at the studio) and the sound heard by listeners...

... and it may be re-encoded with a different bitrate/quality :(

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From karl at xiph.org  Mon Mar  1 12:23:50 2004
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 01 Mar 2004 12:23:50 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Bizarre (and irritating) ices2 error
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Message-ID: <1078143830.11564.15.camel@bogus.hackers.club>



On Mon, 2004-03-01 at 07:42, M Edwards wrote:
> I get this error every time I try to start ices:
> 
> ices: relocation error: ices: undefined symbol: resolver_initialize
> 
> I'm running a Celeron with 64MB of RAM which up until last moth, ran ices with 
> absolutely no complaint.

nothing like that has changed in ices or libshout in the last month or
so.

> Here are the steps I've taken to resolve this problem:
> Full update from debian/unstable
> -no effect

*shrugs

> Full reinstall of all dependencies using CVS checkouts
> -ices fails to compile claiming libshout isn't thread-safe. I've done 
> everything in my power to make sure the libraries are there for libshout and 
> during its ./configure run it appears to find -pthread (or whatever the fourth 
> option is)

o either the ices check is failing, or you really have a non-threaded
libshout. The config.log will be more specific, email it to me.

> Installation of libshout3 and ices2 debian packages from Keegan's site
> -no effect

no indication if the ices is Beta 4 ?

> There is absolutely no documentation on this error from google. In fact the 
> closest I get is a CVS examination of a commit included ices.c 
> (http://www.xiph.org/archives/cvs/3587.html) where resolver_initalize is 
> REMOVED in favor of shout_init (if my reading is correct).

that is correct, the net code is only used for the libshout connections,
so now the net initialisation is done in the shout_init. That applies to
both threaded and non-thread builds of libshout.

karl.

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From stefan at neufeind.net  Mon Mar  1 12:42:47 2004
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:42:47 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Preventin browsers / wget's / ... from capturing stream?
Message-ID: <40433DD7.22111.22B713@localhost>



Hi,

I know this has been discussed before - but I don't think that we've 
come to a "clean" solution. So let me try to ask again:

Is there any good way with icecast to prevent browsers / wget's / ... 
from capturing a stream? I mean, using Shoutcast afaik it's not 
*that* easily possible to download a stream. But using Icecast you 
can simply do a wget and grab the audio. This makes mp3-streaming 
with icecast a "risky" thing in my eyes since clients might always 
say "well, then I could as well put my music for download on a 
website". I know there are always ways around it, but avoiding 
downloading for the average user would at least be good. Has anybody 
experimented with this?

The most clean solution in my eyes would be to implement mms:// or 
rtp:// for mp3/ogg-streams in Icecast2 ... however, I guess just 
nobody yet started working on it - or is it really that hard to 
implement?

Anyway - I'm also looking for a good solution (similar to the one of 
Shoutcast, maybe) for plain http-streaming. Is it possible somehow?

<p>Regards,
 Stefan
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From chris_corrupt_youth at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  1 13:16:37 2004
From: chris_corrupt_youth at yahoo.com (Chris Weaver)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2004 05:16:37 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
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This is something we [at ResonanceFM] have to
constantly deal with. I'm currently throttling our FTP
rates because it keeps knocking out our stream :-(

> > Alternatively, many stations also operate on
> bandwith donations (people 
> > offering relays because they like the
> station)....I'd say most (if not 
> > all) stations that have high listener capacity are
> operating using one 
> > of these two mechanisms.

We were lucky in that respect, a fan happened to work
for Interroute.com and could relay our stream over a
high bandwidth network.

> we should go and try to use new broadcasting methods
> (multicast, or
> oggvorbis)...

Has anyone had any experiance at multicasting ?

Chris W

=====

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Mon Mar  1 19:25:00 2004
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Mon, 01 Mar 2004 13:25:00 -0600
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
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At 03:55 PM 2/29/2004, you wrote:
>Hi Oddsock,
>
>Like Clement, I am sure Nullsoft is still "offering" AOL's bandwidth since I
>think Nullsoft is not part of AOL anymore. About the new broadcasting
>methods, is the multicast technology already available? I have heard only
>few providers are equipped with multicast enabled routers.

People have been chasing multicast for many years now, and honestly it's no 
closer to reality than it was 4 or 5 years ago (really, the same points 
were made back then - multicast is a great solution, but limited to certain 
ISPs and not widespread - people have been saying that for 4 or 5 years).. 
So if you ask me, multicast will never happen, so you probably can't count 
on it.

>What about p2p
>streaming, is it really reliable? When I see Peercast's statistics, only few
>stations have more than 10 listeners currently connected... Do you think p2p
>streaming could support an "unlimited" number of listeners or is it only a
>utopia? Anyway, I am not sure many listeners would be attracted by p2p
>streaming until a reliable Applet is available. I mean, I know only few
>users that are ready to install additional software to listen to online
>music.

the "listener-bandwidth-sharing" aspects of p2p broadcasting has had about 
2 years now to mature.  I've talked with people at Abacast, peercast, etc 
and they've all said the same thing... "We've got it licked, we have a 
viable solution"...however, it's been 2 years now since it all started 
surfacing, and I don't really think we are much closer than we were to a 
viable solution now then we were back then.  This is not saying that it 
won't EVER happen, but my feelings is that if it hasn't happened (taken 
off) by now, there is a good chance it never will.

o where does that leave broadcasters ? Well, it's fairly simple...it 
leaves them in the same place that terrestrial broadcasters are...you gotta 
make money to offset your operational costs.  Terrestrial broadcasters do 
it by buying up large numbers of stations and selling Ad time to large 
numbers of listeners.  They have other methods as well, but I think that 
one is pretty much the largest.

Internet broadcasters can recoup some of their costs by offering services 
unique to internet broadcasting.  Digitally Imported is a good case of a 
major broadcaster re-couping costs by offering a "premium service" which 
listeners pay for.  And Digitally Imported also uses the technique of 
combining stations into a single offering (similar to the way Terrestrial 
stations buy up other stations).

Additionally, smaller broadcasters (with not as much momentum as DI for 
instance) can also deal with costs by <plug> using open-source  software 
such as icecast, coupled with patent/royalty-free codecs like vorbis which 
provide great sounding streams at half the bandwidth requirements of 
mp3.</plug>

oddsock  

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From msmith at xiph.org  Tue Mar  2 01:23:36 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:23:36 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Preventin browsers / wget's / ... from capturing stream?
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On Monday 01 March 2004 23:42, Stefan Neufeind wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I know this has been discussed before - but I don't think that we've
> come to a "clean" solution. So let me try to ask again:
>
> Is there any good way with icecast to prevent browsers / wget's / ...
> from capturing a stream? I mean, using Shoutcast afaik it's not
> *that* easily possible to download a stream. But using Icecast you
> can simply do a wget and grab the audio. This makes mp3-streaming
> with icecast a "risky" thing in my eyes since clients might always
> say "well, then I could as well put my music for download on a
> website". I know there are always ways around it, but avoiding
> downloading for the average user would at least be good. Has anybody
> experimented with this?

Shoutcast just does user-agent sniffing. This makes it look like you can't 
download the stream easily, but that's just misleading you - it's completely 
trivial to do so.

>
> The most clean solution in my eyes would be to implement mms:// or
> rtp:// for mp3/ogg-streams in Icecast2 ... however, I guess just
> nobody yet started working on it - or is it really that hard to
> implement?

It's far from trivial to implement. This would be a very large amount of work.

>
> Anyway - I'm also looking for a good solution (similar to the one of
> Shoutcast, maybe) for plain http-streaming. Is it possible somehow?
>

Well, you could add nasty user-agent sniffing, but it's pretty pointless.

Mike

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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr  Tue Mar  2 13:18:14 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 14:18:14 +0100
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
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Hi Clement, Geoff, Eisele, Stefan and Oddsock;

Thank you very much for your instructive answers. I guess the debate on
streaming new techniques is now opened!

Max

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At 03:55 PM 2/29/2004, you wrote:
>Hi Oddsock,
>
>Like Clement, I am sure Nullsoft is still "offering" AOL's bandwidth since
I
>think Nullsoft is not part of AOL anymore. About the new broadcasting
>methods, is the multicast technology already available? I have heard only
>few providers are equipped with multicast enabled routers.

People have been chasing multicast for many years now, and honestly it's no 
closer to reality than it was 4 or 5 years ago (really, the same points 
were made back then - multicast is a great solution, but limited to certain 
ISPs and not widespread - people have been saying that for 4 or 5 years).. 
So if you ask me, multicast will never happen, so you probably can't count 
on it.

>What about p2p
>streaming, is it really reliable? When I see Peercast's statistics, only
few
>stations have more than 10 listeners currently connected... Do you think
p2p
>streaming could support an "unlimited" number of listeners or is it only a
>utopia? Anyway, I am not sure many listeners would be attracted by p2p
>streaming until a reliable Applet is available. I mean, I know only few
>users that are ready to install additional software to listen to online
>music.

the "listener-bandwidth-sharing" aspects of p2p broadcasting has had about 
2 years now to mature.  I've talked with people at Abacast, peercast, etc 
and they've all said the same thing... "We've got it licked, we have a 
viable solution"...however, it's been 2 years now since it all started 
surfacing, and I don't really think we are much closer than we were to a 
viable solution now then we were back then.  This is not saying that it 
won't EVER happen, but my feelings is that if it hasn't happened (taken 
off) by now, there is a good chance it never will.

o where does that leave broadcasters ? Well, it's fairly simple...it 
leaves them in the same place that terrestrial broadcasters are...you gotta 
make money to offset your operational costs.  Terrestrial broadcasters do 
it by buying up large numbers of stations and selling Ad time to large 
numbers of listeners.  They have other methods as well, but I think that 
one is pretty much the largest.

Internet broadcasters can recoup some of their costs by offering services 
unique to internet broadcasting.  Digitally Imported is a good case of a 
major broadcaster re-couping costs by offering a "premium service" which 
listeners pay for.  And Digitally Imported also uses the technique of 
combining stations into a single offering (similar to the way Terrestrial 
stations buy up other stations).

Additionally, smaller broadcasters (with not as much momentum as DI for 
instance) can also deal with costs by <plug> using open-source  software 
such as icecast, coupled with patent/royalty-free codecs like vorbis which 
provide great sounding streams at half the bandwidth requirements of 
mp3.</plug>

oddsock  

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From giles at xiph.org  Tue Mar  2 15:36:20 2004
From: giles at xiph.org (Ralph Giles)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 07:36:20 -0800
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
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On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 01:25:00PM -0600, oddsock wrote:

> the "listener-bandwidth-sharing" aspects of p2p broadcasting has had about 
> 2 years now to mature.  I've talked with people at Abacast, peercast, etc 
> and they've all said the same thing... "We've got it licked, we have a 
> viable solution"...however, it's been 2 years now since it all started 
> surfacing, and I don't really think we are much closer than we were to a 
> viable solution now then we were back then.  This is not saying that it 
> won't EVER happen, but my feelings is that if it hasn't happened (taken 
> off) by now, there is a good chance it never will.

Any idea if this is a technical or a social problem?

 -r
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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Tue Mar  2 15:53:40 2004
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 09:53:40 -0600
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
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At 09:36 AM 3/2/2004, you wrote:
>On Mon, Mar 01, 2004 at 01:25:00PM -0600, oddsock wrote:
>
> > the "listener-bandwidth-sharing" aspects of p2p broadcasting has had about
> > 2 years now to mature.  I've talked with people at Abacast, peercast, etc
> > and they've all said the same thing... "We've got it licked, we have a
> > viable solution"...however, it's been 2 years now since it all started
> > surfacing, and I don't really think we are much closer than we were to a
> > viable solution now then we were back then.  This is not saying that it
> > won't EVER happen, but my feelings is that if it hasn't happened (taken
> > off) by now, there is a good chance it never will.
>
>Any idea if this is a technical or a social problem?
it's a mix of both really, peercast, for instance, has some minor technical 
"issues" that (as far as I know) haven't really been addressed..I don't 
know the specifics of the issues, but they have been wildly reported on the 
peercast message forums.  Others have had just general issues of adoption 
and getting the word out...(which is a technical and social issue)

probably it's more of a social issue though, in the fact that most 
broadcasters are all over technology like this (for obvious reasons, if you 
can support many listeners without requiring bandwidth to do so, who would 
NOT jump over this).. The problem I think is that listeners far outweigh 
the number of broadcasters... And most listeners (not counting the 
broadcasters that ARE listeners) really don't want to be bothered with this 
kind of technology.  They really don't benefit much from it, the 
broadcasters do...Sure, you can say that without it, maybe they wouldn't be 
able to listen to the stations they really want to, but the reality is that 
there is really a ton of great music out there, in the traditional non-p2p 
form...what motivation do I have as a listener to get on board with it, 
which requires me to download stuff and share my precious upload bandwidth ?

oddsock 

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From gak1056 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  2 15:56:33 2004
From: gak1056 at yahoo.com (Mr. K)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 07:56:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 installation problem
Message-ID: <20040302155633.97776.qmail@web41406.mail.yahoo.com>



i installed icecast2 on linux  and when i run it i get the errors
FATAL: could not open error logging
FATAL: could not open access logging
FATAL: could not start logging
 
i'ved tried changing the icecast.xml file without success.
 
can you help?
 
thanks
 
gary

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From eviloverlord at kucs.net  Tue Mar  2 17:54:34 2004
From: eviloverlord at kucs.net (EvilOverlord)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 17:54:34 +0000
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 installation problem
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Mr. K wrote:

> i installed icecast2 on linux  and when i run it i get the errors
> FATAL: could not open error logging
> FATAL: could not open access logging
> FATAL: could not start logging
>  
> i'ved tried changing the icecast.xml file without success.
>  
> can you help?
>  
> thanks
>  
> gary
> 

Check the directory permissions and owner of the directories you have 
specified in the xml file?  Are you running it chroot?

Stephen
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From karl at xiph.org  Tue Mar  2 18:02:50 2004
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 02 Mar 2004 18:02:50 +0000
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 installation problem
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On Tue, 2004-03-02 at 15:56, Mr. K wrote:
> i installed icecast2 on linux  and when i run it i get the errors
> FATAL: could not open error logging
> FATAL: could not open access logging
> FATAL: could not start logging
>  
> i'ved tried changing the icecast.xml file without success.
>  
> can you help?

yes, as the message indicates, icecast could not open the log files,
probably due to a missing log directory or wrong access rights. Check
the paths and permissions.

karl.

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From brooks at frnk.com  Tue Mar  2 20:14:07 2004
From: brooks at frnk.com (Talley, Brooks)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 12:14:07 -0800
Subject: [icecast] Adding metadata to listeners?
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I'm hoping that it's somehow possible to provide additional metadata
information to be associated with listeners as seen from
/admin/listclients?mount=/whatever.

Ideally, I'd love to be able to pass in key pairs in the querystring and
have them appear in the resulting XML.  For instance,
http://icecast.domain.com:8000/stream?userID=1234 , and then have that
data available in the XML as an entity, like <userID>1234</userID>

The idea here is to integrate with an exisitng web application and
provide the ability to show "Who's listening".  Of course, I realize
that savvy users could tweak the system by manually building URL's, but
for my purposes that's not a problem.

Is there any way to accomplish something like this?

Cheers
-Brooks
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From daleg at elemental.org  Tue Mar  2 21:53:21 2004
From: daleg at elemental.org (Dale Ghent)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 16:53:21 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
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On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, oddsock wrote:

> Additionally, smaller broadcasters (with not as much momentum as DI for
> instance) can also deal with costs by <plug> using open-source  software
> such as icecast, coupled with patent/royalty-free codecs like vorbis which
> provide great sounding streams at half the bandwidth requirements of
> mp3.</plug>

All very true points (and that goes for the parts of your email I did not
quote here as well)

But Ogg Vorbis, for all it's quality and capabilities, is going to
continue to be limited to a comparatively small following of people.

Lets not forget that many of our listeners are not as technically inclined
as we'd like them to be. Many will look at you like you have five heads if
you ask them if they know what a "codec" is. Grandma just wants to go to
her NPR webcast station, click [>] and hear something. Confront her with
a "Unknown MIME Type: audio/ogg" message and she'll likely not realize
that she needs to download a plugin for whatever player she's happening
to use, which would likely what ever came as a part of the OS on the
computer she bought from Dell or HP. Worst case is that she decides it's
not worth the trouble and picks up her knitting. That's one less listener
for the webcaster.

My point in this is that Ogg Vorbis needs a long-overdue shot in the arm
in terms of marketting. That is, marketting to the people who supply the
popular media apps... Apple and iTunes. Microsoft Media Player. Audion.
WinAMP.

/dale
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr  Tue Mar  2 22:38:20 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2004 23:38:20 +0100
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
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Hi Dale,

I agree with you but how do you suggest convincing these software companies
to implement ogg support in their players? I can imagine Itunes and XMMS but
it's going to be harder for Windows Media Player and Winamp. Microsoft is
promoting its very own WMA. I guess they implemented mp3 because it was
already too popular to reject it. About Winamp, I don't know if Nullsoft is
going to support ogg because Icecast would create a bigger competition to
Shoutcast...
Anyway, there are very good news, I think Real is going to implement ogg in
its next version of RealOne. It might already be available in RealOne2 beta,
but I didn't test it yet. It's a good start because Real is very popular
(installed on 57% of computers...). Also a good point would be some hardware
devices supporting ogg (mp3 players...), but I guess it is a second step:
first software support, then hardware.

Cheers,

MAX

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Subject: RE: [icecast] bit/bytes

On Mon, 1 Mar 2004, oddsock wrote:

> Additionally, smaller broadcasters (with not as much momentum as DI for
> instance) can also deal with costs by <plug> using open-source  software
> such as icecast, coupled with patent/royalty-free codecs like vorbis which
> provide great sounding streams at half the bandwidth requirements of
> mp3.</plug>

All very true points (and that goes for the parts of your email I did not
quote here as well)

But Ogg Vorbis, for all it's quality and capabilities, is going to
continue to be limited to a comparatively small following of people.

Lets not forget that many of our listeners are not as technically inclined
as we'd like them to be. Many will look at you like you have five heads if
you ask them if they know what a "codec" is. Grandma just wants to go to
her NPR webcast station, click [>] and hear something. Confront her with
a "Unknown MIME Type: audio/ogg" message and she'll likely not realize
that she needs to download a plugin for whatever player she's happening
to use, which would likely what ever came as a part of the OS on the
computer she bought from Dell or HP. Worst case is that she decides it's
not worth the trouble and picks up her knitting. That's one less listener
for the webcaster.

My point in this is that Ogg Vorbis needs a long-overdue shot in the arm
in terms of marketting. That is, marketting to the people who supply the
popular media apps... Apple and iTunes. Microsoft Media Player. Audion.
WinAMP.

/dale
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From clement at frequence3.net  Tue Mar  2 23:52:22 2004
From: clement at frequence3.net (Clement Cavadore)
Date: 03 Mar 2004 00:52:22 +0100
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
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Le mar 02/03/2004 ? 23:38, MacSym a ?crit :
> I agree with you but how do you suggest convincing these software companies
> to implement ogg support in their players? I can imagine Itunes and XMMS but
> it's going to be harder for Windows Media Player and Winamp. Microsoft is
> promoting its very own WMA. I guess they implemented mp3 because it was
> already too popular to reject it.

I think it will be soonly supported.. they're not user-friendly, but not
that silly... (or at least, I hope so :))

> About Winamp, I don't know if Nullsoft is
> going to support ogg because Icecast would create a bigger competition to
> Shoutcast...

Winamp5 has ogg/vorbis builtin support :-)
Winamp2.x needs an ogg plugin, but you can find it easily...

> Anyway, there are very good news, I think Real is going to implement ogg in
> its next version of RealOne. It might already be available in RealOne2 beta,
> but I didn't test it yet. It's a good start because Real is very popular
> (installed on 57% of computers...).

... that's why their server is so expensive :(

> Also a good point would be some hardware
> devices supporting ogg (mp3 players...), but I guess it is a second step:
> first software support, then hardware.

Yep... It will arrive... like divx support on DVD players :)
I think the first one who will support ogg/vorbis will be kiss/DP500...
whose DVD's players already support MP3 streaming (yeah, it's the truth,
I've some "KiSS/DP500" User-agent on some of my shoutcast servers... but
not yet on my icecast's...


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From rihernanbu at hotmail.com  Wed Mar  3 00:24:30 2004
From: rihernanbu at hotmail.com (Ramon Hernandez)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 19:24:30 -0500
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 installation problem
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] icecast2 installation problem>
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I just got the same exact error.  I'm:
in root
icecast2 user as in the config is:  iceuser
root has ownship of the icecast folder and subfolders.
gid:500
pid:500
the files do exist in the /logs folder

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>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: Re: [icecast] icecast2 installation problem
>Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 17:54:34 +0000
>
>Mr. K wrote:
>
>>i installed icecast2 on linux  and when i run it i get the errors
>>FATAL: could not open error logging
>>FATAL: could not open access logging
>>FATAL: could not start logging
>>  i'ved tried changing the icecast.xml file without success.
>>  can you help?
>>  thanks
>>  gary
>>
>
>Check the directory permissions and owner of the directories you have 
>specified in the xml file?  Are you running it chroot?
>
>Stephen
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr  Wed Mar  3 01:16:42 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 02:16:42 +0100
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
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Whao,
Good news about ogg support on Winamp5. I didn?t know it because I still use
Winamp2 which is fine for me... Ogg support on Itunes and WMP would be the
consecration!
Cheers,

MAX

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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 12:52 AM
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Subject: RE: [icecast] bit/bytes

Le mar 02/03/2004 ? 23:38, MacSym a ?crit :
> I agree with you but how do you suggest convincing these software
companies
> to implement ogg support in their players? I can imagine Itunes and XMMS
but
> it's going to be harder for Windows Media Player and Winamp. Microsoft is
> promoting its very own WMA. I guess they implemented mp3 because it was
> already too popular to reject it.

I think it will be soonly supported.. they're not user-friendly, but not
that silly... (or at least, I hope so :))

> About Winamp, I don't know if Nullsoft is
> going to support ogg because Icecast would create a bigger competition to
> Shoutcast...

Winamp5 has ogg/vorbis builtin support :-)
Winamp2.x needs an ogg plugin, but you can find it easily...

> Anyway, there are very good news, I think Real is going to implement ogg
in
> its next version of RealOne. It might already be available in RealOne2
beta,
> but I didn't test it yet. It's a good start because Real is very popular
> (installed on 57% of computers...).

... that's why their server is so expensive :(

> Also a good point would be some hardware
> devices supporting ogg (mp3 players...), but I guess it is a second step:
> first software support, then hardware.

Yep... It will arrive... like divx support on DVD players :)
I think the first one who will support ogg/vorbis will be kiss/DP500...
whose DVD's players already support MP3 streaming (yeah, it's the truth,
I've some "KiSS/DP500" User-agent on some of my shoutcast servers... but
not yet on my icecast's...


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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Wed Mar  3 01:33:16 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 11:33:16 +1000
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
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Hi:

>From something like Winamp 2.8 onwards, the full or typical installs
included the ogg vorbis plugin.  The compact install did not.

Ok so these terms might be wrong, but you get the idea.

Geoff.

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Wed Mar  3 02:17:29 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 12:17:29 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Streaming from South by Southwest
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Hi:

I read the following at
http://www.vorbis.com/ot/20040209.html#xiph-org-at-sxsw

   In addition, SXSW will once again stream over 100 live performances in
   Ogg Vorbis with Icecast 2 for those who can't attend the festival.
   Some of the Xiph team will assist in this project where simultaneous
   streams will be sent from 10 stages through 4 days of the event.

Is there anywhere I can get more info on this?  Which stages whill be
netcast, etc?

Geoff.

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From mike at linuxlink.com  Wed Mar  3 02:38:16 2004
From: mike at linuxlink.com (Michael H. Collins)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 20:38:16 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Streaming from South by Southwest
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we have not quite got that nailed down yet.  I am building the ices 
boxen and we should start installing them this week.

What else does anyone want to know?

And this is the first I heard of the Xiph team.  Come on down guys we 
need all the help we can get.

Geoff Shang wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> I read the following at
> http://www.vorbis.com/ot/20040209.html#xiph-org-at-sxsw
> 
>    In addition, SXSW will once again stream over 100 live performances in
>    Ogg Vorbis with Icecast 2 for those who can't attend the festival.
>    Some of the Xiph team will assist in this project where simultaneous
>    streams will be sent from 10 stages through 4 days of the event.
> 
> Is there anywhere I can get more info on this?  Which stages whill be
> netcast, etc?
> 
> Geoff.
> 
> 
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From mike at linuxlink.com  Wed Mar  3 02:55:22 2004
From: mike at linuxlink.com (Michael H. Collins)
Date: Tue, 02 Mar 2004 20:55:22 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Streaming from South by Southwest
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oh and we will definitly be doing Maggie Maes, Beerland, Elysium and two 
stages at Emos.

To hear the bands that will play go to

  http://server1.sxsw.com:8000/sxsw.ogg

Geoff Shang wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> I read the following at
> http://www.vorbis.com/ot/20040209.html#xiph-org-at-sxsw
> 
>    In addition, SXSW will once again stream over 100 live performances in
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>    Some of the Xiph team will assist in this project where simultaneous
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From thomas at youngarts.org  Wed Mar  3 03:18:47 2004
From: thomas at youngarts.org (Thomas Weber)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 04:18:47 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Ices2; Metadata and special chars
Message-ID: <008f01c400ce$3e071110$0400a8c0@neuromancer>



Hi there!

I am currently developing a broadcast solution with ices2 (feeded over pipe,
stdin). I use a metadata-file and signals to update the streams metadata.
The problem is, names of songs and artists are cut off at special chars like
& or at a german umlaut.

For example:
artist=Test
title=foo & bar
is sent to the clients as "Test - foo ".

Do i have to use some kind of escape-char or other special things or is this
just a bug? Btw, I am using IceS 2.0-Beta4.

Thanks!
Thomas 'Neo' Weber

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From thomas at youngarts.org  Wed Mar  3 03:23:13 2004
From: thomas at youngarts.org (Thomas Weber)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 04:23:13 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Good mp3-player with stdout-ouput for unix?
Message-ID: <009501c400ce$dc7848f0$0400a8c0@neuromancer>



Hi,

as I am sending PCM-data over the stdin to ices2, i need a good mp3-player
wich runs at the console and is able to output pcm to stdout.
So far i tried mpg123 and xaudio, but each had problems. mpg123 wasn't able
to play some songs, particularely with varibale bitrate and xaudio played
some songs and afaik most mp3pro-shit in double speed, even if it's 44.1khz.

Does anyone know a better one? It should be able to run under FreeBSD, but
most *nix-stuff will do.

Thanks!
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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar  3 03:27:00 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 14:27:00 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Ices2; Metadata and special chars
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On Wednesday 03 March 2004 14:18, Thomas Weber wrote:
> Hi there!
>
> I am currently developing a broadcast solution with ices2 (feeded over
> pipe, stdin). I use a metadata-file and signals to update the streams
> metadata. The problem is, names of songs and artists are cut off at special
> chars like & or at a german umlaut.
>
> For example:
> artist=Test
> title=foo & bar
> is sent to the clients as "Test - foo ".
>
> Do i have to use some kind of escape-char or other special things or is
> this just a bug? Btw, I am using IceS 2.0-Beta4.
>

You don't need any escape characters. This might be a bug. However, it's a 
pretty unlikely sort of bug - I think it more likely that it's just a client 
bug. What client(s) have you tried this with?

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Wed Mar  3 03:49:18 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 13:49:18 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Good mp3-player with stdout-ouput for unix?
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Hi:

Have you tried mpg321?  It's supposed to be more robust with regard to MP3
detection and such, but I've not looked to see if it has stdout support.

Geoff.

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From ross at stationplaylist.com  Wed Mar  3 03:57:37 2004
From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 16:57:37 +1300
Subject: [icecast] Ices2; Metadata and special chars
In-Reply-To: <200403031427.00862.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <01b901c400d3$ab4dab30$a200a8c0@levis3>



I reported this several months ago.  I was using Oddcast to send and Winamp
to listen.  Winamp showed the title truncated at any extended character.
>From memory, status.xsl didn't show the title correctly either.

Regards,
Ross Levis.

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<p>> On Wednesday 03 March 2004 14:18, Thomas Weber wrote:
> > Hi there!
> >
> > I am currently developing a broadcast solution with ices2 (feeded over
> > pipe, stdin). I use a metadata-file and signals to update the streams
> > metadata. The problem is, names of songs and artists are cut off at
special
> > chars like & or at a german umlaut.
> >
> > For example:
> > artist=Test
> > title=foo & bar
> > is sent to the clients as "Test - foo ".
> >
> > Do i have to use some kind of escape-char or other special things or is
> > this just a bug? Btw, I am using IceS 2.0-Beta4.
> >
>
> You don't need any escape characters. This might be a bug. However, it's a
> pretty unlikely sort of bug - I think it more likely that it's just a
client
> bug. What client(s) have you tried this with?
>
> Mike
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr  Wed Mar  3 07:52:13 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 08:52:13 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Ices2; Metadata and special chars
In-Reply-To: <01b901c400d3$ab4dab30$a200a8c0@levis3>
Message-ID: <20040303075153.590E0532A3A@motherfish-II.xiph.org>



I have the same problem with status.xsl. Special characters such as ??? are
truncated.

 

Is there any solution?

Cheers,

 

MAX

 

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Subject: Re: [icecast] Ices2; Metadata and special chars

 

I reported this several months ago.  I was using Oddcast to send and Winamp

to listen.  Winamp showed the title truncated at any extended character.

>From memory, status.xsl didn't show the title correctly either.

 

Regards,

Ross Levis.

 

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Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 4:27 PM

Subject: Re: [icecast] Ices2; Metadata and special chars

 

 

> On Wednesday 03 March 2004 14:18, Thomas Weber wrote:

> > Hi there!

> >

> > I am currently developing a broadcast solution with ices2 (feeded over

> > pipe, stdin). I use a metadata-file and signals to update the streams

> > metadata. The problem is, names of songs and artists are cut off at

pecial

> > chars like & or at a german umlaut.

> >

> > For example:

> > artist=Test

> > title=foo & bar

> > is sent to the clients as "Test - foo ".

> >

> > Do i have to use some kind of escape-char or other special things or is

> > this just a bug? Btw, I am using IceS 2.0-Beta4.

> >

> 

> You don't need any escape characters. This might be a bug. However, it's a

> pretty unlikely sort of bug - I think it more likely that it's just a

client

> bug. What client(s) have you tried this with?

> 

> Mike

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From jappe at lowlife.org  Wed Mar  3 19:24:10 2004
From: jappe at lowlife.org (Jappe reuling)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 20:24:10 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Disconnect listerens after X min
Message-ID: <58AB4FA0-6D48-11D8-97A3-0003937AEC74@lowlife.org>



Hello,

I'm using icecast2. I have one client who provides a source from his 
windows computer using winamp. This source is a 'radio station'
I want to disconnect listerners after they have listen to the station 
for e.g. 60 minutes but can't find any documentation on this. Is this 
possible with icecast2?

If i missed some documentation: sorry but I just can't find the answer 
on the  net.

thanks for any help.

Regards,

Jappe

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From jappe at lowlife.org  Wed Mar  3 19:32:52 2004
From: jappe at lowlife.org (Jappe reuling)
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2004 20:32:52 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Disconnect listeners after X min
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Oops sorry for the typo, the subject should offcourse be "Disconnect 
listeners after X min"

orry about that

regards,

jappe

On woensdag, maa 3, 2004, at 20:24 Europe/Amsterdam, Jappe reuling 
wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm using icecast2. I have one client who provides a source from his 
> windows computer using winamp. This source is a 'radio station'
> I want to disconnect listerners after they have listen to the station 
> for e.g. 60 minutes but can't find any documentation on this. Is this 
> possible with icecast2?
>
> If i missed some documentation: sorry but I just can't find the answer 
> on the  net.
>
> thanks for any help.
>
> Regards,
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From stefan at neufeind.net  Wed Mar  3 20:20:52 2004
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 21:20:52 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Disconnect listerens after X min
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It's not possible "out of the box". But have a look at the admin-
interface: You can get a list of all listeners for a particular 
source. And there is a "kick"-link at the end of the line, which also 
includes a listener-id. So it should be easy to write a script for 
doing what you need. Give 20 lines of php a try :-))

<p>Kind regards,
 Stefan

On 3 Mar 2004 at 20:24, Jappe reuling wrote:

> I'm using icecast2. I have one client who provides a source from his
> windows computer using winamp. This source is a 'radio station' I want
> to disconnect listerners after they have listen to the station for
> e.g. 60 minutes but can't find any documentation on this. Is this
> possible with icecast2?
> 
> If i missed some documentation: sorry but I just can't find the answer
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From admin at hidayahonline.org  Wed Mar  3 20:28:11 2004
From: admin at hidayahonline.org (HidayahOnline.org Admin)
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 15:28:11 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Webalizer + IceCast2 logfile?
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Is it possible?

Basically, I want to process the IceCast2 logfile in the same way as I 
process my Apache server logs?  I tried a dry run, and it reported an 
error with regards to the "date" field - I am currently replacing the 
date field text "Eastern Standard Time" with the text "-400", to see if 
that would fix it (that how it is in my Apache logfile).  I will then 
reprocess the logfile with Webalizer, and see if I get the same kind of 
output.

 From a different side, is it possible to have IceCast2 output an 
apache-compatible logfile - say, common log format (clf)?  Or is there 
something I'm overlooking?

The reason I'm interested is because a larger portion of my server's 
bandwidth is now being served over IceCast2, and I wanted to track that 
the same way as I track my webserver's bandwidth usage.  I'm not 
necessarily interested in much of the other info, so if I can just get 
the bandwidth usage, I'd be pretty happy.

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From kerry.cox at ksl.com  Wed Mar  3 21:28:28 2004
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 03 Mar 2004 14:28:28 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Webalizer + IceCast2 logfile?
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Check out this site: http://webalizer.kezako.net/
The author is easily approachable and has made integrating webalizer
into icecast2 very simple. I have it running on both my icecast1 and
icecast2 servers.
Hope that helps.
KJ

On Wed, 2004-03-03 at 13:28, HidayahOnline.org Admin wrote:
> Is it possible?
> 
> Basically, I want to process the IceCast2 logfile in the same way as I 
> process my Apache server logs?  I tried a dry run, and it reported an 
> error with regards to the "date" field - I am currently replacing the 
> date field text "Eastern Standard Time" with the text "-400", to see if 
> that would fix it (that how it is in my Apache logfile).  I will then 
> reprocess the logfile with Webalizer, and see if I get the same kind of 
> output.
> 
>  From a different side, is it possible to have IceCast2 output an 
> apache-compatible logfile - say, common log format (clf)?  Or is there 
> something I'm overlooking?
> 
> The reason I'm interested is because a larger portion of my server's 
> bandwidth is now being served over IceCast2, and I wanted to track that 
> the same way as I track my webserver's bandwidth usage.  I'm not 
> necessarily interested in much of the other info, so if I can just get 
> the bandwidth usage, I'd be pretty happy.
> 
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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar  3 23:43:10 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:43:10 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Ices2; Metadata and special chars
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On Wednesday 03 March 2004 18:52, MacSym wrote:
> I have the same problem with status.xsl. Special characters such as ??? are
> truncated.
>
> Is there any solution?

Yes, there is: report bugs in bugzilla (http://bugs.xiph.org/) so that people 
know about them.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar  3 23:49:24 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:49:24 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Webalizer + IceCast2 logfile?
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On Thursday 04 March 2004 07:28, HidayahOnline.org Admin wrote:
> Is it possible?
>
> Basically, I want to process the IceCast2 logfile in the same way as I
> process my Apache server logs?  I tried a dry run, and it reported an
> error with regards to the "date" field - I am currently replacing the
> date field text "Eastern Standard Time" with the text "-400", to see if
> that would fix it (that how it is in my Apache logfile).  I will then
> reprocess the logfile with Webalizer, and see if I get the same kind of
> output.

Hmm... It shouldn't be doing that wrong. Probably a minor bug in how we're 
formatting the log entries. Please file a report in bugzilla.

>
>  From a different side, is it possible to have IceCast2 output an
> apache-compatible logfile - say, common log format (clf)?  Or is there
> something I'm overlooking?

The log format is meant to be roughly CLF-compatible (it adds an extra field 
on the end, but all the log parsers I've used ignore extra fields, so that's 
fine). i.e. webalizer _should_ just work out-of-the-box on icecast2 log 
files. If it doesn't, that's a bug.

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From admin at hidayahonline.org  Thu Mar  4 00:30:57 2004
From: admin at hidayahonline.org (HidayahOnline.org Admin)
Date: Wed, 03 Mar 2004 19:30:57 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Webalizer + IceCast2 logfile?
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Michael Smith wrote:

>On Thursday 04 March 2004 07:28, HidayahOnline.org Admin wrote:
>  
>
>>Is it possible?
>>
>>Basically, I want to process the IceCast2 logfile in the same way as I
>>process my Apache server logs?  I tried a dry run, and it reported an
>>error with regards to the "date" field - I am currently replacing the
>>date field text "Eastern Standard Time" with the text "-400", to see if
>>that would fix it (that how it is in my Apache logfile).  I will then
>>reprocess the logfile with Webalizer, and see if I get the same kind of
>>output.
>>    
>>
>
>Hmm... It shouldn't be doing that wrong. Probably a minor bug in how we're 
>formatting the log entries. Please file a report in bugzilla.
>  
>
Done...and done!

>  
>
>> From a different side, is it possible to have IceCast2 output an
>>apache-compatible logfile - say, common log format (clf)?  Or is there
>>something I'm overlooking?
>>    
>>
>
>The log format is meant to be roughly CLF-compatible (it adds an extra field 
>on the end, but all the log parsers I've used ignore extra fields, so that's 
>fine). i.e. webalizer _should_ just work out-of-the-box on icecast2 log 
>files. If it doesn't, that's a bug.
>
>Mike
>  
>
Well, I've submitted the bug, though it's my first time doing so.  
Please have mercy on me if I screwed it up!

By the way, my platform is WinXP - but the best option available via 
Bugzilla was Win2000, so I picked that.

And also, replacing the text "Eastern Standard Time" with "-400" DID 
solve the problem.

IceCast2, though, is simply amazing.  Props all around.  :)
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From thomas at youngarts.org  Thu Mar  4 05:09:59 2004
From: thomas at youngarts.org (Thomas Weber)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 06:09:59 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Ices2; Metadata and special chars - SOLVED
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I just had contact with an ices-developer about this issue.

This is not a bug in ices, it is a documentation-bug. What the documentation
not says is, that the metadata should be sent in UTF-8 encoding. Simply
change from Ascii to UTF-8 and ALL esoteric characters will be sent, i've
just tested this.

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "MacSym" <macsym69 at yahoo.fr>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:52 AM
Subject: RE: [icecast] Ices2; Metadata and special chars

<p>I have the same problem with status.xsl. Special characters such as "?" are
truncated.

<p><p>Is there any solution?

Cheers,

<p><p>MAX

<p><p>-----Original Message-----
From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf Of
Ross Levis
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 4:58 AM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [icecast] Ices2; Metadata and special chars

<p><p>I reported this several months ago.  I was using Oddcast to send and Winamp

to listen.  Winamp showed the title truncated at any extended character.

>From memory, status.xsl didn't show the title correctly either.

<p><p>Regards,

Ross Levis.

<p><p>----- Original Message ----- 

From: "Michael Smith" <msmith at xiph.org>

To: <icecast at xiph.org>

Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 4:27 PM

Subject: Re: [icecast] Ices2; Metadata and special chars

<p><p><p><p>> On Wednesday 03 March 2004 14:18, Thomas Weber wrote:

> > Hi there!

> >

> > I am currently developing a broadcast solution with ices2 (feeded over

> > pipe, stdin). I use a metadata-file and signals to update the streams

> > metadata. The problem is, names of songs and artists are cut off at

pecial

> > chars like & or at a german umlaut.

> >

> > For example:

> > artist=Test

> > title=foo & bar

> > is sent to the clients as "Test - foo ".

> >

> > Do i have to use some kind of escape-char or other special things or is

> > this just a bug? Btw, I am using IceS 2.0-Beta4.

> >

>

> You don't need any escape characters. This might be a bug. However, it's a

> pretty unlikely sort of bug - I think it more likely that it's just a

client

> bug. What client(s) have you tried this with?

>

> Mike

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From stefan at neufeind.net  Thu Mar  4 08:26:53 2004
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 09:26:53 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Ices2; Metadata and special chars - SOLVED
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Though I haven't followed the discussion in all details (sorry):
Could it be that Oddcast has similar problems with not-normal 
characters? If I remember correctly I once had problems with chars 
like ?, ?, ?, ? (German language). Now that you mention it, maybe 
they were not UTF-8-encoded?

  Stefan

On 4 Mar 2004 at 6:09, Thomas Weber wrote:

> I just had contact with an ices-developer about this issue.
> 
> This is not a bug in ices, it is a documentation-bug. What the
> documentation not says is, that the metadata should be sent in UTF-8
> encoding. Simply change from Ascii to UTF-8 and ALL esoteric
> characters will be sent, i've just tested this.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "MacSym" <macsym69 at yahoo.fr>
> To: <icecast at xiph.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 8:52 AM
> Subject: RE: [icecast] Ices2; Metadata and special chars
> 
> 
> I have the same problem with status.xsl. Special characters such as
> "?" are truncated.
> 
> 
> 
> Is there any solution?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> 
> 
> MAX
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf
> Of Ross Levis Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 4:58 AM To:
> icecast at xiph.org Subject: Re: [icecast] Ices2; Metadata and special
> chars
> 
> 
> 
> I reported this several months ago.  I was using Oddcast to send and
> Winamp
> 
> to listen.  Winamp showed the title truncated at any extended
> character.
> 
> >From memory, status.xsl didn't show the title correctly either.
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Ross Levis.
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> 
> From: "Michael Smith" <msmith at xiph.org>
> 
> To: <icecast at xiph.org>
> 
> Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 4:27 PM
> 
> Subject: Re: [icecast] Ices2; Metadata and special chars
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > On Wednesday 03 March 2004 14:18, Thomas Weber wrote:
> 
> > > Hi there!
> 
> > >
> 
> > > I am currently developing a broadcast solution with ices2 (feeded
> > > over
> 
> > > pipe, stdin). I use a metadata-file and signals to update the
> > > streams
> 
> > > metadata. The problem is, names of songs and artists are cut off
> > > at
> 
> special
> 
> > > chars like & or at a german umlaut.
> 
> > >
> 
> > > For example:
> 
> > > artist=Test
> 
> > > title=foo & bar
> 
> > > is sent to the clients as "Test - foo ".
> 
> > >
> 
> > > Do i have to use some kind of escape-char or other special things
> > > or is
> 
> > > this just a bug? Btw, I am using IceS 2.0-Beta4.
> 
> > >
> 
> >
> 
> > You don't need any escape characters. This might be a bug. However,
> > it's a
> 
> > pretty unlikely sort of bug - I think it more likely that it's just
> > a
> 
> client
> 
> > bug. What client(s) have you tried this with?
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From stefan at neufeind.net  Thu Mar  4 14:46:10 2004
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 15:46:10 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Disconnect listerens after X min
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Hi Jappe,

a) Please put the script on a webpage, send the link to this 
mailinglist and maybe somebody will put a link to such a useful 
feature-addon.

Question to Oddsock and other devs:
b) Is there already a plugin-mechanism in icecast that could be used 
to write a small snap-in directly? We talked about such an interface 
a *long* time ago, but it seems it was forgotten somehow. (Plans were 
also to integrate external authentification-modules, logging 
extensions, ...).

  Stefan

On 4 Mar 2004 at 15:04, Jappe Reuling wrote:

> Hi stefan,
> 
> We wrote a nifty perl script which works like a charm. Shame this
> doesn't come with icecast while the functionality is already there for
> 95% but then again it's open source and i shouldn't wine and write a
> addon myself >:-)
> 
> regards,
> 
> jappe
> 
> On Mar 3, 2004, at 9:20 PM, Stefan Neufeind wrote:
> 
> > It's not possible "out of the box". But have a look at the admin-
> > interface: You can get a list of all listeners for a particular
> > source. And there is a "kick"-link at the end of the line, which
> > also includes a listener-id. So it should be easy to write a script
> > for doing what you need. Give 20 lines of php a try :-))
> >
> >
> > Kind regards,
> >  Stefan
> >
> > On 3 Mar 2004 at 20:24, Jappe reuling wrote:
> >
> >> I'm using icecast2. I have one client who provides a source from
> >> his windows computer using winamp. This source is a 'radio station'
> >> I want to disconnect listerners after they have listen to the
> >> station for e.g. 60 minutes but can't find any documentation on
> >> this. Is this possible with icecast2?
> >>
> >> If i missed some documentation: sorry but I just can't find the
> >> answer on the  net.
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From jsheldon at cs.uml.edu  Thu Mar  4 15:14:57 2004
From: jsheldon at cs.uml.edu (James Sheldon)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 10:14:57 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] The weirdest yp directory listing problem
Message-ID: <Pine.OSF.4.50.0403041006100.113679-100000@saturn.cs.uml.edu>



Hey all, I'm new to this list!

I have a very strange problem that just started yesterday when I purchased
some extra bandwidth from mediacast1.com.  I was running my own icecast
server for over a month, and I never had any problems.  However, when I
signed up with mediacast1, my yp directory listings are now translating
all '.' characters into '-' characters!  This means that my url,
http://www.bemetal.com, shows up as http://www-bemetal-com.  I emailed
tech support at mediacast1, and they swear that it's not a problem on
their end.  It doesn't make any sense!  And it looks like anything that I
put between the <metadata> tags in my ices config file has the same
problem.  I changed my <name> tag to www.beMETAL.com, and sure enough, it
shows up as www-beMETAL-com in the yp directories.

Also, if all of this isn't weird enough, my
http://server:port/admin/stats.xsl information does not have this problem,
it reflects the settings in my ices config file, www.bemetal.com shows up
as www.bemetal.com.  How could this be right while the yp listings are
wrong?

Oh yeah, and I even tried upgrading my ices to Beta4, still no luck.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

Jim Sheldon
jsheldon at cs.uml.edu
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From jappe at lowlife.org  Thu Mar  4 15:47:15 2004
From: jappe at lowlife.org (Jappe Reuling)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 16:47:15 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Disconnect listerens after X min
In-Reply-To: <40474F42.26363.1782E11@localhost>
Message-ID: <35B8E7CC-6DF3-11D8-B9AA-003065860680@lowlife.org>



On Mar 4, 2004, at 3:46 PM, Stefan Neufeind wrote:

> Hi Jappe,
>
> a) Please put the script on a webpage, send the link to this
> mailinglist and maybe somebody will put a link to such a useful
> feature-addon.

here you are:

http://sb-1.net/icecast/killstreamclients.pl

as stated in the script:

- script comes 'as-it-is'
- no support
- we're not to blame if stuff breaks

have fun!!, hope we helped someone with this script.

regards,

jappe

>
> Question to Oddsock and other devs:
> b) Is there already a plugin-mechanism in icecast that could be used
> to write a small snap-in directly? We talked about such an interface
> a *long* time ago, but it seems it was forgotten somehow. (Plans were
> also to integrate external authentification-modules, logging
> extensions, ...).
>
>   Stefan
>
> On 4 Mar 2004 at 15:04, Jappe Reuling wrote:
>
>> Hi stefan,
>>
>> We wrote a nifty perl script which works like a charm. Shame this
>> doesn't come with icecast while the functionality is already there for
>> 95% but then again it's open source and i shouldn't wine and write a
>> addon myself >:-)
>>
>> regards,
>>
>> jappe
>>
>> On Mar 3, 2004, at 9:20 PM, Stefan Neufeind wrote:
>>
>>> It's not possible "out of the box". But have a look at the admin-
>>> interface: You can get a list of all listeners for a particular
>>> source. And there is a "kick"-link at the end of the line, which
>>> also includes a listener-id. So it should be easy to write a script
>>> for doing what you need. Give 20 lines of php a try :-))
>>>
>>>
>>> Kind regards,
>>>  Stefan
>>>
>>> On 3 Mar 2004 at 20:24, Jappe reuling wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'm using icecast2. I have one client who provides a source from
>>>> his windows computer using winamp. This source is a 'radio station'
>>>> I want to disconnect listerners after they have listen to the
>>>> station for e.g. 60 minutes but can't find any documentation on
>>>> this. Is this possible with icecast2?
>>>>
>>>> If i missed some documentation: sorry but I just can't find the
>>>> answer on the  net.
>
>

--
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jappe at parcproductions.com
support at parcproductions.com

Parc Productions
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From jappe at lowlife.org  Thu Mar  4 15:55:22 2004
From: jappe at lowlife.org (Jappe Reuling)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 16:55:22 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Disconnect listerens after X min
In-Reply-To: <35B8E7CC-6DF3-11D8-B9AA-003065860680@lowlife.org>
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Oh i forgot to state the obvious:

run the script via crontab:

*/5     *       *       *       *       
/usr/local/bin/killstreamclients.pl

regards,

jappe

<p>On Mar 4, 2004, at 4:47 PM, Jappe Reuling wrote:

>
> On Mar 4, 2004, at 3:46 PM, Stefan Neufeind wrote:
>
>> Hi Jappe,
>>
>> a) Please put the script on a webpage, send the link to this
>> mailinglist and maybe somebody will put a link to such a useful
>> feature-addon.
>
> here you are:
>
> http://sb-1.net/icecast/killstreamclients.pl
>
> as stated in the script:
>
> - script comes 'as-it-is'
> - no support
> - we're not to blame if stuff breaks
>
> have fun!!, hope we helped someone with this script.
>
> regards,
>
> jappe
>
>>
>> Question to Oddsock and other devs:
>> b) Is there already a plugin-mechanism in icecast that could be used
>> to write a small snap-in directly? We talked about such an interface
>> a *long* time ago, but it seems it was forgotten somehow. (Plans were
>> also to integrate external authentification-modules, logging
>> extensions, ...).
>>
>>   Stefan
>>
>> On 4 Mar 2004 at 15:04, Jappe Reuling wrote:
>>
>>> Hi stefan,
>>>
>>> We wrote a nifty perl script which works like a charm. Shame this
>>> doesn't come with icecast while the functionality is already there 
>>> for
>>> 95% but then again it's open source and i shouldn't wine and write a
>>> addon myself >:-)
>>>
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> jappe
>>>
>>> On Mar 3, 2004, at 9:20 PM, Stefan Neufeind wrote:
>>>
>>>> It's not possible "out of the box". But have a look at the admin-
>>>> interface: You can get a list of all listeners for a particular
>>>> source. And there is a "kick"-link at the end of the line, which
>>>> also includes a listener-id. So it should be easy to write a script
>>>> for doing what you need. Give 20 lines of php a try :-))
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>  Stefan
>>>>
>>>> On 3 Mar 2004 at 20:24, Jappe reuling wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I'm using icecast2. I have one client who provides a source from
>>>>> his windows computer using winamp. This source is a 'radio station'
>>>>> I want to disconnect listerners after they have listen to the
>>>>> station for e.g. 60 minutes but can't find any documentation on
>>>>> this. Is this possible with icecast2?
>>>>>
>>>>> If i missed some documentation: sorry but I just can't find the
>>>>> answer on the  net.
>>
>>
> --
> Jappe Reuling
> jappe at parcproductions.com
> support at parcproductions.com
>
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> Waalsteeg 4-6
> 1011 ER Amsterdam
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From rihernanbu at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  4 20:48:26 2004
From: rihernanbu at hotmail.com (Ramon Hernandez)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 15:48:26 -0500
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 with darkice -look ok?
Message-ID: <Sea1-F36GrGtFo1zD4f00028abd@hotmail.com>



This is all I get, I'm not feeding it any source yet.  I'm having trouble 
finding the soundcard input to mount to /dev/dsp

Changed groupid to 500.
Changed userid to 500.

Here's my config

<icecast>

<limits>
        <clients>30</clients>
        <sources>2</sources>
        <threadpool>5</threadpool>
        <queue-size>102400</queue-size>
        <client-timeout>30</client-timeout>
        <header-timeout>15</header-timeout>
        <source-timeout>10</source-timeout>
</limits>

<p><p><authentication>

        <source-password>xxx</source-password>
        <relay-password>hackme</relay-password>
        <admin-user>admin</admin-user>
        <admin-password>stream</admin-password>
</authentication>

<p><p><hostname>wbuq</hostname>

        <port>8000</port>

<p><mount>
        <mount-name>/wbuq.ogg</mount-name>

</mount>

<p><paths>
        <basedir>/usr/local/icecast2</basedir>
        <logdir>/usr/local/icecast2/logs</logdir>
        <webroot>/usr/local/icecast2/web</webroot>
        <adminroot>/usr/local/icecast2/admin</adminroot>
</paths>

<p><logging>
        <accesslog>access.log</accesslog>
        <errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
        <loglevel>4</loglevel>
</logging>

<p><security>
                <chroot>0</chroot>
                <changeowner>
                        <user>iceuser</user>
                        <group>iceuser</group>
                </changeowner>
</security>

</icecast>

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From rihernanbu at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  4 21:53:37 2004
From: rihernanbu at hotmail.com (Ramon Hernandez)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 16:53:37 -0500
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 with darkice -look ok?
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] icecast2 with darkice -look ok?>
Message-ID: <Sea1-F135y7rjcxtniF0002687a@hotmail.com>



now I'm getting a
Could not create listener socket on port 8000
I changed the hostname to my IP

<p>>From: "Ramon Hernandez" <rihernanbu at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: icecast at xiph.org
>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: [icecast] icecast2 with darkice -look ok?
>Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 15:48:26 -0500
>
>This is all I get, I'm not feeding it any source yet.  I'm having trouble 
>finding the soundcard input to mount to /dev/dsp
>
>Changed groupid to 500.
>Changed userid to 500.
>
>Here's my config
>
><icecast>
>
><limits>
>	<clients>30</clients>
>	<sources>2</sources>
>	<threadpool>5</threadpool>
>	<queue-size>102400</queue-size>
>	<client-timeout>30</client-timeout>
>	<header-timeout>15</header-timeout>
>	<source-timeout>10</source-timeout>
></limits>
>
>
>
><authentication>
>
>	<source-password>xxx</source-password>
>	<relay-password>hackme</relay-password>
>	<admin-user>admin</admin-user>
>	<admin-password>stream</admin-password>
></authentication>
>
>
>
><hostname>wbuq</hostname>
>
>	<port>8000</port>
>
>
><mount>
>	<mount-name>/wbuq.ogg</mount-name>
>
></mount>
>
>
><paths>
>	<basedir>/usr/local/icecast2</basedir>
>	<logdir>/usr/local/icecast2/logs</logdir>
>	<webroot>/usr/local/icecast2/web</webroot>
>	<adminroot>/usr/local/icecast2/admin</adminroot>
></paths>
>
>
><logging>
>	<accesslog>access.log</accesslog>
>	<errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
>	<loglevel>4</loglevel>
></logging>
>
>
><security>
>		<chroot>0</chroot>
>		<changeowner>
>			<user>iceuser</user>
>			<group>iceuser</group>
>		</changeowner>
></security>
>
></icecast>
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From msmith at xiph.org  Thu Mar  4 23:30:13 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:30:13 +1100
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 with darkice -look ok?
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On Friday 05 March 2004 08:53, Ramon Hernandez wrote:
> now I'm getting a
> Could not create listener socket on port 8000
> I changed the hostname to my IP
>

This usually means you have something already running on port 8000. You can 
either shut that down, or configure icecast to use a different port.

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From rihernanbu at hotmail.com  Thu Mar  4 23:31:43 2004
From: rihernanbu at hotmail.com (Ramon Hernandez)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 18:31:43 -0500
Subject: [icecast] everything is running, no source
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Using config file: /etc/darkice.cfg
Using OSS DSP input device: /dev/dsp
Using POSIX real-time scheduling, priority 98

Icecast sits at
Changed groupid to 500.
Changed userid to 500.
(i don't get any more than this)

However when going to http://myip:8000 i get
Source not found

here are the logs

[2004-03-04  17:52:11] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source logging 
in at mountpoint "/wbuq.ogg"
[2004-03-04  17:52:11] DBUG source/source_main Source creation complete
[2004-03-04  17:52:17] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Client connected
[2004-03-04  17:52:17] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Source not found 
for client

do i have to manually mount the /dev/dsp or is it there already?

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From msmith at xiph.org  Thu Mar  4 23:34:39 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:34:39 +1100
Subject: [icecast] everything is running, no source
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On Friday 05 March 2004 10:31, Ramon Hernandez wrote:
> Using config file: /etc/darkice.cfg
> Using OSS DSP input device: /dev/dsp
> Using POSIX real-time scheduling, priority 98
>
> Icecast sits at
> Changed groupid to 500.
> Changed userid to 500.
> (i don't get any more than this)
>
> However when going to http://myip:8000 i get
> Source not found

> From the log fragment below, you're using the mountpoint "/wbuq.ogg", so you 
have to request
   http://myip:8000/wbuq.ogg

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From rihernanbu at hotmail.com  Fri Mar  5 00:05:45 2004
From: rihernanbu at hotmail.com (Ramon Hernandez)
Date: Thu, 04 Mar 2004 19:05:45 -0500
Subject: [icecast] everything is running, no source
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I do that from the local box...it asks me what application to use to open 
it, i select xmms from within linux (same box the server is running) and it 
takes FOR EVER to buffer only 32kb....took about 5 minutes to get up there 
and when it did, i didn't hear anything. I'm sending it a .cda playing from 
a cd on the computer next to it. could that be a problem?

If i try to connect to ip:8000/wbuq.ogg from another box on the network it 
doesn't see it at all.

<p>>From: Michael Smith <msmith at xiph.org>
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>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: Re: [icecast] everything is running, no source
>Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 10:34:39 +1100
>
>On Friday 05 March 2004 10:31, Ramon Hernandez wrote:
> > Using config file: /etc/darkice.cfg
> > Using OSS DSP input device: /dev/dsp
> > Using POSIX real-time scheduling, priority 98
> >
> > Icecast sits at
> > Changed groupid to 500.
> > Changed userid to 500.
> > (i don't get any more than this)
> >
> > However when going to http://myip:8000 i get
> > Source not found
>
>From the log fragment below, you're using the mountpoint "/wbuq.ogg", so 
>you
>have to request
>    http://myip:8000/wbuq.ogg
>
>Mike
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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Fri Mar  5 02:07:21 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:07:21 +1000
Subject: [icecast] everything is running, no source
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On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Ramon Hernandez wrote:

> I do that from the local box...it asks me what application to use to open
> it, i select xmms from within linux (same box the server is running) and it
> takes FOR EVER to buffer only 32kb....took about 5 minutes to get up there
> and when it did, i didn't hear anything. I'm sending it a .cda playing from
> a cd on the computer next to it. could that be a problem?

do you have the appropriate source selected for capture by your soundcard?
It sounds to me as if Darkice is recording and transmitting silence.  Use
aumix, or if you're using ALSA, alsamixer, to select the appropriate input
for capturing (e.g. line in, CD, etc).

Geoff.

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Fri Mar  5 02:08:56 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:08:56 +1000
Subject: [icecast] everything is running, no source
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On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Ramon Hernandez wrote:

> Icecast sits at
> Changed groupid to 500.
> Changed userid to 500.
> (i don't get any more than this)

Are you expecting any more than this?  this is normal behaviour.  Icecast
is generally meant to be run in the background.

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Fri Mar  5 02:10:28 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 12:10:28 +1000
Subject: [icecast] everything is running, no source
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On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Ramon Hernandez wrote:

> Using OSS DSP input device: /dev/dsp
> Using POSIX real-time scheduling, priority 98

<p>> do i have to manually mount the /dev/dsp or is it there already?

/dev/dsp is your soundcard device, and as evidenced by your darkice output,
it's working just fine.

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From webby at seneca-rez.net  Fri Mar  5 02:26:33 2004
From: webby at seneca-rez.net (Jason L)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:26:33 -0500
Subject: [icecast] try again
Message-ID: <000801c40259$4718d090$1401a8c0@workstation>



I didn't really get help last time I emailed this so i'll try again.

when using shoutcast it makes a listen.pls  file so if someone clicks the link http://live.domain.com/listen.pls  winamp will automaticlly open and play the stream.

right now for anyone to listen to my icecast server I tell them to open winamp and enter in http://rcscanner.dyndns.org:8000

<p>What I would like is to have a link I can give them in a email they can  just click on that would work like the shoutcast listen.pls. because right now clicking  http://rcscanner.dyndns.org:8000  will just open a broswer window and do nothing else because it doesn't know what the server is and what program to play the stream with.

I run the icecast server in windows and according to the DOCs you can't run the webserver in windows so putting a listen.pls on the icecast webserver won't work.

<p>I stream using mp3

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From msmith at xiph.org  Fri Mar  5 02:37:23 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 13:37:23 +1100
Subject: [icecast] try again
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On Friday 05 March 2004 13:26, Jason L wrote:
> I didn't really get help last time I emailed this so i'll try again.

You did. You were given a clear answer by at least one person.

>
> when using shoutcast it makes a listen.pls  file so if someone clicks the
> link http://live.domain.com/listen.pls  winamp will automaticlly open and
> play the stream.
>
> right now for anyone to listen to my icecast server I tell them to open
> winamp and enter in http://rcscanner.dyndns.org:8000

Icecast will auto-generate a playlist file if you request a URL of 
"/mountpoint.m3u". So, for example, if your mountpoint is "/stream", you can 
request http://blah.blah/stream.m3u", and this will do what you asked for.

>
>
> What I would like is to have a link I can give them in a email they can 
> just click on that would work like the shoutcast listen.pls. because right
> now clicking  http://rcscanner.dyndns.org:8000  will just open a broswer
> window and do nothing else because it doesn't know what the server is and
> what program to play the stream with.
>
> I run the icecast server in windows and according to the DOCs you can't run
> the webserver in windows so putting a listen.pls on the icecast webserver
> won't work.

Where do the docs say this? There is no problem that I know of with the 
fileserving functionality in the windows version.

Mike

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From webby at seneca-rez.net  Fri Mar  5 02:50:51 2004
From: webby at seneca-rez.net (Jason L)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:50:51 -0500
Subject: [icecast] try again
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I got 1 answer and it made no sense.  I never got any others.

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<p>> On Friday 05 March 2004 13:26, Jason L wrote:
> > I didn't really get help last time I emailed this so i'll try again.
>
> You did. You were given a clear answer by at least one person.
>
> >
> > when using shoutcast it makes a listen.pls  file so if someone clicks
the
> > link http://live.domain.com/listen.pls  winamp will automaticlly open
and
> > play the stream.
> >
> > right now for anyone to listen to my icecast server I tell them to open
> > winamp and enter in http://rcscanner.dyndns.org:8000
>
> Icecast will auto-generate a playlist file if you request a URL of
> "/mountpoint.m3u". So, for example, if your mountpoint is "/stream", you
can
> request http://blah.blah/stream.m3u", and this will do what you asked for.
>
> >
> >
> > What I would like is to have a link I can give them in a email they can
> > just click on that would work like the shoutcast listen.pls. because
right
> > now clicking  http://rcscanner.dyndns.org:8000  will just open a broswer
> > window and do nothing else because it doesn't know what the server is
and
> > what program to play the stream with.
> >
> > I run the icecast server in windows and according to the DOCs you can't
run
> > the webserver in windows so putting a listen.pls on the icecast
webserver
> > won't work.
>
> Where do the docs say this? There is no problem that I know of with the
> fileserving functionality in the windows version.
>
> Mike
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From daleg at elemental.org  Fri Mar  5 02:51:44 2004
From: daleg at elemental.org (Dale Ghent)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2004 21:51:44 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Q: Client connection time limits.
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I have a working patch to the icecast 2.0.0 source which implements 
time limits in the form of a <client-time-limit> element in the server 
conf file.

The time limit is set in seconds, with 0 seconds meaning there is no 
time limit, and is also the default, obviously.

This is a global config directive, ie it effects all clients connected 
to all mount points. Should I also add a mount-specific one? What 
should I call it?

I can submit the patch to oddsock and crew if they're interested in 
using it.

/dale

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From msmith at xiph.org  Fri Mar  5 03:01:04 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 14:01:04 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Q: Client connection time limits.
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On Friday 05 March 2004 13:51, Dale Ghent wrote:
> I have a working patch to the icecast 2.0.0 source which implements
> time limits in the form of a <client-time-limit> element in the server
> conf file.
>
> The time limit is set in seconds, with 0 seconds meaning there is no
> time limit, and is also the default, obviously.
>
> This is a global config directive, ie it effects all clients connected
> to all mount points. Should I also add a mount-specific one? What
> should I call it?

client-time-limit is fine as a name for the option. And yes - you should add a 
mount-specific version of this option - this is a good example of the sort of 
thing where mount-specific options make a lot of sense.

>
> I can submit the patch to oddsock and crew if they're interested in
> using it.
>

We're always happy to look at patches (whether we'll actually accept it, of 
course, depends on things like "is this a good idea", and "is the code of 
reasonable quality"). Please send your patch (when complete) to the 
icecast-dev mailing list.

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Fri Mar  5 03:33:33 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 13:33:33 +1000
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 with darkice -look ok?
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On Thu, 4 Mar 2004, Ramon Hernandez wrote:

> <hostname>wbuq</hostname>

Not sure what not having a fully qualified hostname will do.  Certainly,
using the built-in playlist generator won't work from anywhere where the
hostname wbuq won't resolve.

> <mount>
> 	<mount-name>/wbuq.ogg</mount-name>
>
> </mount>

The mountpoint specific sections are for options that specifically apply to
a mountpoint, rather than across the entire server.  Since I'm guessing you
want to use the password etc defined above for your stream, this mount
section doesn't need to be here, and in fact I'm not sure what icecast will
do with a section that looks like this.

Not sure why you're not reaching your stream from the outside world.  If
there's no log entries in the access or error logs, the connection isn't
making it to icecast and you should look at firewalls, routers, etc to
determine why.

Geoff.

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From kh.wild at wicom.li  Fri Mar  5 08:25:18 2004
From: kh.wild at wicom.li (Wild Karl-Heinz)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 09:25:18 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Stream optimization and file recording ...
Message-ID: <1913856865.20040305092518@wicom.li>



Hello,

I'm useing freebsd 5.2.1 with icecast 2.0 and darkice 0.8
with a radiocard from avermedia 206 and a cmedia soundcard.
i't works fine!

just four points.

1. the ogg with vbr and a quality of 0.6
   has a high tone in it. is there a known
   reason for?
2. filerecording works fine but how can i
   make every hour a new file without breaking
   the stream for listener?

   i thought about a signal like usr1 or anything
   else
3. is there anything in my configuration that can be
   optimized :-)
4. is there a tool for recording a stream with freebsd
   i'd like to build an archive
   
thanks
Karl-Heinz

ps:
my configuration

[general]
duration        = 0
bufferSecs      = 20

[input]
device          = /dev/dsp
sampleRate      = 44100
bitsPerSample   = 16
channel         = 2

[icecast2-0]
bitrateMode     = vbr
format          = vorbis
quality         = 0.5
server          = 172.16.0.15
port            = 8000
password        = xxx
mountPoint      = live.ogg
sampleRate      = 22050
channel         = 2

[icecast2-1]
bitrateMode     = abr
format          = mp3
bitrate         = 48
server          = 172.16.0.15
port            = 8000
password        = xxx
mountPoint      = live
sampleRate      = 22050
channel         = 1

[file-0]
format          = vorbis
bitrateMode     = abr
bitrate         = 48
fileName        = /tmp/save.ogg

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From jappe at lowlife.org  Fri Mar  5 10:28:55 2004
From: jappe at lowlife.org (Jappe Reuling)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 11:28:55 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Q: Client connection time limits.
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On Mar 5, 2004, at 3:51 AM, Dale Ghent wrote:

>
> I have a working patch to the icecast 2.0.0 source which implements 
> time limits in the form of a <client-time-limit> element in the server 
> conf file.

WOW!! thanks, that's great that someone took the time to code this 
feature.

I hope it will be introduced in the stable icecast 2

regards,

jappe

>
> The time limit is set in seconds, with 0 seconds meaning there is no 
> time limit, and is also the default, obviously.
>
> This is a global config directive, ie it effects all clients connected 
> to all mount points. Should I also add a mount-specific one? What 
> should I call it?
>
> I can submit the patch to oddsock and crew if they're interested in 
> using it.
>
> /dale
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From groups at mediacast1.com  Fri Mar  5 12:54:01 2004
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 05:54:01 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Webalizer + IceCast2 logfile?
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try awstats, works like a charm
http://awstats.sourceforge.net/

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<p>> Is it possible?
>
> Basically, I want to process the IceCast2 logfile in the same way as I
> process my Apache server logs?  I tried a dry run, and it reported an
> error with regards to the "date" field - I am currently replacing the
> date field text "Eastern Standard Time" with the text "-400", to see if
> that would fix it (that how it is in my Apache logfile).  I will then
> reprocess the logfile with Webalizer, and see if I get the same kind of
> output.
>
>  From a different side, is it possible to have IceCast2 output an
> apache-compatible logfile - say, common log format (clf)?  Or is there
> something I'm overlooking?
>
> The reason I'm interested is because a larger portion of my server's
> bandwidth is now being served over IceCast2, and I wanted to track that
> the same way as I track my webserver's bandwidth usage.  I'm not
> necessarily interested in much of the other info, so if I can just get
> the bandwidth usage, I'd be pretty happy.
>
> Thanx in advance!
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From dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de  Fri Mar  5 15:39:57 2004
From: dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de (Thomas B. Ruecker, DM8TBR)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2004 16:39:57 +0100
Subject: [icecast] try again
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> I got 1 answer and it made no sense.  I never got any others.

You got two answers ???on list???:
Your posting:  http://xiph.org/archives/icecast/6646.html
MacSyms reply: http://xiph.org/archives/icecast/6647.html
My reply:	   http://xiph.org/archives/icecast/6648.html

What was not making sense? 
Feel free to ask questions regarding those postings. 

Regards

Thomas

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From thomas at youngarts.org  Sat Mar  6 00:06:43 2004
From: thomas at youngarts.org (Thomas Weber)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2004 01:06:43 +0100
Subject: [icecast] libshout2 (perl) + shoutcast: bitrate
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Hi,

currently I'm plaing around with the original shoutcast and use libshout for
transmitting to the server.
It works mostly perfect, with one little problem:
The streams bitrate is not correctly reported to shoutcast. I tried the
following:
$conn->set_audio_info(SHOUT_AI_BITRATE => 128);
$conn is the shout-object.
Is this for icecast only? Is there another way to transmit the correct
bitrate to shoutcast?

Thanks,
Thomas 'Neo' Weber

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Sun Mar  7 06:55:55 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2004 16:55:55 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Bug with dir.xiph.org
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Hi:

In my browser, at least, (lynx 2.8.3rel.1), the "next" button takes you
back to the icecast front page.

The relevant bit of HTML appears as such:

<td bgcolor="#000000"><font color=white face=Verdana size=1><a class="nav"
href ="?start=10&num=10"><font size=3>Next</font></a></td>

This might work in some browsers, but not in mine.  I'd suggest using the
$SCRIPT_NAME PHP variable to generate a URL that points back to the current
script, which is streamlist.php in this case, if you want something that's
portable.

Also, I"m curious as to why the search box is at the bottom, surely it
would make more sense at the top?

Geoff.

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From mrakotom at free.fr  Mon Mar  8 13:30:42 2004
From: mrakotom at free.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2004 14:30:42 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Preventin browsers / wget's / ... from capturing stream?
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On Tuesday 02 March 2004 02:23, Michael Smith wrote:
> Shoutcast just does user-agent sniffing. This makes it look like you can't
> download the stream easily, but that's just misleading you - it's
> completely trivial to do so.

Yes , i'd say the same .

> > The most clean solution in my eyes would be to implement mms:// or
> > rtp:// for mp3/ogg-streams in Icecast2 ... however, I guess just
> > nobody yet started working on it - or is it really that hard to
> > implement?

Though you could implement it , someone will always be able to "rip" your 
stream .
I have a friend that runs Windows and he found a software that just record 
what is played by the soundcard, so that he just needs to turn off all the 
system sounds and can quietly record the stream, whatever is the protocol ...

> It's far from trivial to implement. This would be a very large amount of
> work.

Useless , no worth amount of work ...
:-)

> > Anyway - I'm also looking for a good solution (similar to the one of
> > Shoutcast, maybe) for plain http-streaming. Is it possible somehow?
> Well, you could add nasty user-agent sniffing, but it's pretty pointless.

treamripper can identify itself as any user-agent you want ... 


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From stefan at neufeind.net  Mon Mar  8 15:21:15 2004
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 16:21:15 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Preventin browsers / wget's / ... from capturing stream?
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On 8 Mar 2004 at 14:30, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:

> On Tuesday 02 March 2004 02:23, Michael Smith wrote:
> > Shoutcast just does user-agent sniffing. This makes it look like you
> > can't download the stream easily, but that's just misleading you -
> > it's completely trivial to do so.
> 
> Yes , i'd say the same.
> 
> > > The most clean solution in my eyes would be to implement mms:// or
> > > rtp:// for mp3/ogg-streams in Icecast2 ... however, I guess just
> > > nobody yet started working on it - or is it really that hard to
> > > implement?
> 
> Though you could implement it , someone will always be able to "rip"
> your stream . I have a friend that runs Windows and he found a
> software that just record what is played by the soundcard, so that he
> just needs to turn off all the system sounds and can quietly record
> the stream, whatever is the protocol ...

I know such tools also. And I know even specialised tools exist that 
rip rtp.// as well as mms:// for you without a problem. The question 
was just to have a possiblity to at least deny the "dumb" users to 
download the stream with their browser ...

> > It's far from trivial to implement. This would be a very large
> > amount of work.
> 
> Useless , no worth amount of work ... :-)

Well, I think it might be useful if you also use the features like 
skip-protection, maybe automatic switching of stream-quality (if the 
connection-quality degrades during streaming) etc. And imho still the 
possibilty to deny "dumb" users to download the stream via any of the 
http-compliant programs widely used would be a major step.

> > > Anyway - I'm also looking for a good solution (similar to the one
> > > of Shoutcast, maybe) for plain http-streaming. Is it possible
> > > somehow?
> > Well, you could add nasty user-agent sniffing, but it's pretty
> > pointless.
> 
> streamripper can identify itself as any user-agent you want ... 

As said above: We're not talking about "there is always a way 
around". I'm just talking about what easy countermeasurements could 
be taken (and what is needed for icecast2 to actually use these 
countermeasurements) to give starters (not professionals) at least 
some feeling of "stream can't be downloaded".
Customers are (mostly) not technicians. But if you give them a http-
URL to listen and they can easily use their browser to download the 
stream, then you have a problem. At least I once had ... Then they 
come with things like "but if I use rtp / mms with RealServer / 
WindowsMediaServer then I'm more secure". This is not true from the 
technical point - but they think so ... and at least for the average 
user that's true.

So how could this practically be done?
a) How could browsers be denied from downloading?
b) Is anybody working on implementing an alternative streaming-
protocol (rtp or mms would surely be most interesting)?

PS: Also relaying from those protocols would be a cool feature *g*

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 Stefan
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From msmith at xiph.org  Tue Mar  9 00:02:28 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 11:02:28 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Preventin browsers / wget's / ... from capturing stream?
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> So how could this practically be done?
> a) How could browsers be denied from downloading?

User-Agent sniffing. This is very easy to implement - go ahead and do it, and 
send in a patch if you think it's worthwhile.

> b) Is anybody working on implementing an alternative streaming-
> protocol (rtp or mms would surely be most interesting)?

I doubt it. As mentioned previously, this is a LOT of work, and icecast's 
internals are not particularly well suited to it. Perhaps the Helix server is 
more what you're looking for? 

Mike

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Tue Mar  9 05:49:57 2004
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 23:49:57 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Icecast Station Browser for Winamp Media Library...
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040308234516.020421f0@www.oddsock.org>



There has been a lot of talk lately about the Icecast YP, and also the fact 
that Shoutcast has started to refuse listings of mp3pro streams...so given 
a bit of free time on my hands (yes occasionally it happens) I wrote this 
-> http://www.oddsock.org/tools/ml_icecastlist/.  It's only for winamp 
users, and it integrates the icecast YP into the Winamp Media Library...Who 
da thought that you'd even be ABLE to extend that thing...

oddsock

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From dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de  Tue Mar  9 09:08:14 2004
From: dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de (Thomas B. Ruecker, DM8TBR)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2004 10:08:14 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast Station Browser for Winamp Media Library...
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Hi oddsock et al.

> a bit of free time on my hands (yes occasionally it happens) I wrote this
> -> http://www.oddsock.org/tools/ml_icecastlist/.  It's only for winamp
> users, and it integrates the icecast YP into the Winamp Media
> Library...
Congratulations on - once again - a superb bit of software! Thank you for spending your Time on this! Works like a charm for me!

I'll start spreading this to all my friends right now. I bet they'll like it. :)

Regards

Thomas

PS: I think at least for WA5 "iconv.dll" is a dependency. Copied it manually from an ethereal installation on my boxes to get icecastlist working. 
Here it is for download too: 
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php

PPS: Is there a possibility to buy you a beer? Didn???t find a hint on your website.

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From stefan at neufeind.net  Tue Mar  9 09:21:13 2004
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 10:21:13 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast Station Browser for Winamp Media Library...
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Hi Oddsock,

brilliant again :-)) The only thing I my WinAmp 2.92 missed under 
Win2k was the iconv.dll, which you didn't ship with the installer. 
After that everything went fine.

Just a few suggestions:
- How about loading a list once the "Icecast stream directory" is 
selected from the menu on the left side? When I choose "Internet 
Radio" (the WinAmp builtin) they retrieve the list and even show how 
much has already been loaded.

- Is it possible to add a filter-dialog? E.g. only list ogg-streams 
or such?

- Is it possible to also do grouping (same station, different 
quality) like on the website?

<p>Thank you for your work,
 Stefan

On 8 Mar 2004 at 23:49, oddsock wrote:

> There has been a lot of talk lately about the Icecast YP, and also the
> fact that Shoutcast has started to refuse listings of mp3pro
> streams...so given a bit of free time on my hands (yes occasionally it
> happens) I wrote this -> http://www.oddsock.org/tools/ml_icecastlist/.
>  It's only for winamp users, and it integrates the icecast YP into the
> Winamp Media Library...Who da thought that you'd even be ABLE to
> extend that thing...
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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Tue Mar  9 14:41:24 2004
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 08:41:24 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Icecast Station Browser for Winamp Media Library...
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At 03:08 AM 3/9/2004, you wrote:
>Hi oddsock et al.
>
>
>PS: I think at least for WA5 "iconv.dll" is a dependency. Copied it 
>manually from an ethereal installation on my boxes to get icecastlist working.

whoops..bad build on my part...I've fixed it and updated the .exe to 
include iconv.dll...

oddsock 

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Tue Mar  9 14:47:09 2004
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 08:47:09 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Icecast Station Browser for Winamp Media Library...
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>- Is it possible to add a filter-dialog? E.g. only list ogg-streams
>or such?

there already is a filter text box at the top..that filters on all 
available fields, so if you type "Ogg Vorbis" you will only see those 
stations in the list....Similarly, if you type "Rock", you will only get 
stations in the Rock genre (also any stations with "Rock" in their 
name)...you get the idea...anything more complicated at this point is not 
yet doable...The actual Media Library SDK is not out yet in it's full form, 
just some example code, that was enough so that I could write this plugin...

>- Is it possible to also do grouping (same station, different
>quality) like on the website?

possible, yes...

oddsock 

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Tue Mar  9 16:17:40 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 02:17:40 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Ices re-encodes have died
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Hi:

I'm running ices on one box with three streams, one streaming as is and two
re-encodes, and another box running icecast2.

The straight-through stream is going strong, but the two re-encodes have
died.  Ices is trying to re-establish them, but it keeps saying it gets a
broken pipe, as evidenced below:

[2004-03-09  10:47:55] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder initialising
in VBR mode: 2 channel(s), 44100 Hz, quality 0.000000
[2004-03-09  10:47:56] EROR stream/ices_instance_stream Send error: Socket
error (Broken pipe)
[2004-03-09  10:47:56] DBUG input/input_flush_queue Input queue flush
requested
[2004-03-09  10:47:56] WARN stream/ices_instance_stream Trying reconnect
after server socket error
[2004-03-09  10:47:56] EROR stream/ices_instance_stream Send error: Socket
error (Broken pipe)
[2004-03-09  10:47:56] DBUG input/input_flush_queue Input queue flush
requested
[2004-03-09  10:47:56] WARN stream/ices_instance_stream Trying reconnect
after server socket error
[2004-03-09  10:47:57] INFO stream/ices_instance_stream Connected to
server: linux-speakup.org:9000/egoplay24.ogg
[2004-03-09  10:47:57] DBUG input/input_flush_queue Input queue flush
requested
[2004-03-09  10:47:57] INFO stream/ices_instance_stream Connected to
server: linux-speakup.org:9000/egoplay64.ogg
[2004-03-09  10:47:57] DBUG input/input_flush_queue Input queue flush
requested

and this cycle repeats.

There's not much of help in the icecast error log.  I had to grep for
"source" because of all the YP activity (see below), but it seems as if
ices isn't sending anything down the line.

[2004-03-09  10:47:56] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
logging in
at mountpoint "/egoplay24.ogg"
[2004-03-09  10:47:56] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
logging in
at mountpoint "/egoplay64.ogg"
[2004-03-09  10:47:57] DBUG source/source_main Source creation complete
[2004-03-09  10:47:57] DBUG source/source_main Source creation complete
[2004-03-09  10:48:07] WARN source/source_main Disconnecting source: socket
timeout (10 s) expired
[2004-03-09  10:48:07] INFO source/source_main Removing source following
disconnection
[2004-03-09  10:48:07] INFO source/source_main Source "/egoplay24.ogg"
exiting
[2004-03-09  10:48:07] WARN source/source_main Disconnecting source: socket
timeout (10 s) expired
[2004-03-09  10:48:07] INFO source/source_main Removing source following
disconnection
[2004-03-09  10:48:07] INFO source/source_main Source "/egoplay64.ogg"
exiting

Note that I don't think the two clocks are sinched, so don't try to align
the two sets of times.

The access log is even less helpful.

129.100.249.144 - - [09/Mar/2004:10:43:50 -0500] "SOURCE /egoplay24.ogg
HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "IceS 2.0-Beta4" 11
129.100.249.144 - - [09/Mar/2004:10:43:51 -0500] "SOURCE /egoplay64.ogg
HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "IceS 2.0-Beta4" 12
129.100.249.144 - - [09/Mar/2004:10:48:07 -0500] "SOURCE /egoplay64.ogg
HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "IceS 2.0-Beta4" 11
129.100.249.144 - - [09/Mar/2004:10:48:12 -0500] "SOURCE /egoplay24.ogg
HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "IceS 2.0-Beta4" 16
129.100.249.144 - - [09/Mar/2004:10:51:38 -0500] "SOURCE /egoplay24.ogg
HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "IceS 2.0-Beta4" 10
129.100.249.144 - - [09/Mar/2004:10:51:38 -0500] "SOURCE /egoplay64.ogg
HTTP/1.0" 200 19 "-" "IceS 2.0-Beta4" 10

Unfortunately, I don't have the ices log for when the problem started.  For
some hither-to unknown reason, the ices log starts at just before 19 hours
on Sunday, by which time this had already started.

I'm running ices 2.0beta4 from Debian Unstable, along with libogg 1.1 and
libvorbis 1.01 packages.  Libshout is 2.0, also in Debian Unstable.

I'm also running icecast 2.0 (compiled from source) with GCC 2.95.4,
against libogg 1.1 and libvorbis 1.01 (both compiled from source), and
libcurl 7.10.5 (also compiled from source).  This is running on a Debian
3.0 (aka Woody) system.

Another, quite likely unrelated question, is that the YP stuff seems to be
doing a hell of a lot.  at one stage, I could see only 2 seconds worth of
activity on the screen, with all the YP debug stuff.  Is there some
specific delay time between YP touches?  I do of course realise that ices
trying to reconnect may be causing this and not the other way around, it's
just that there's nothing in the icecast config that defines how often to
touch the YP servers (at least as far as I can see).  I've been running the
server since Saturday and the error log is 61.3 meg.

Any help with either would be appreciated.

Geoff.

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Tue Mar  9 16:44:53 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 02:44:53 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Ices re-encodes have died
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Hi:

As an adendum, we restarted ices without touching icecast.  All three
streams came up and seem to be stable.

I note from the stats page that the two re-encoded streams died on the same
song.  Here is the output of ogginfo running on that file.  Note the stuff
at the bottom.

Processing file
"/var/music/Emerson,_Lake_&_Palmer/Pictures_At_An_Exhibition/11-The_Great_Gates_Of_Kiev._The_End.ogg"...

New logical stream (#1, serial: 638b57af): type vorbis
Vorbis headers parsed for stream 1, information follows...
Version: 0
Vendor: Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030909 (1.0.1)
Channels: 2
Rate: 44100

Nominal bitrate: 112.001000 kb/s
Upper bitrate not set
Lower bitrate not set
User comments section follows...
        ARTIST=Emerson, Lake & Palmer
        ALBUM=Pictures At An Exhibition
        TITLE=The Great Gates Of Kiev. The End
        DATE=1971
        GENRE=Rock
        TRACKNUMBER=11
Vorbis stream 1:
        Total data length: 4184073 bytes
        Playback length: 5m:06.371s
        Average bitrate: 109.254946 kbps
Logical stream 1 ended
Warning: Invalid header page, no packet found
Warning: Invalid header page in stream 2, contains multiple packets
New logical stream (#2, serial: 2cf8d192): type invalid
Warning: stream start flag not set on stream 2
Warning: sequence number gap in stream 2. Got page 984 when expecting page
0. Indicates missing data.
Logical stream 2 ended

We've no idea how this came about.  The guy who ripped it uses ABCDE which
calls oggenc to do the encoding.  The vendor tag suggests that the oggenc
used is that which is contained in vorbis-tools 1.0.1.  The rip was
apparently done during the last week in december.  the really odd thing is
that tracks 10 and 11 are affected like this, whereas tracks 1-9 and 12 are
fine.

anyway, I guess that's possibly what put ices into a weird state.

Geoff.

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From karl at xiph.org  Tue Mar  9 16:54:53 2004
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 09 Mar 2004 16:54:53 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Ices re-encodes have died
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On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 16:17, Geoff Shang wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> I'm running ices on one box with three streams, one streaming as is and two
> re-encodes, and another box running icecast2.
> 
> The straight-through stream is going strong, but the two re-encodes have
> died.  Ices is trying to re-establish them, but it keeps saying it gets a
> broken pipe, as evidenced below:

...
> There's not much of help in the icecast error log.  I had to grep for
> "source" because of all the YP activity (see below), but it seems as if
> ices isn't sending anything down the line.

This can happen unfortunately with the current ices code base, the back
end does not cache what it needs to resume nicely, and it's not so easy
to change without some fairly big changes.  I suspect the workaround is
to send a USR1 signal on re-connection, so that the headers can kick in
or use the ices-kh mods which cache the necessary info. 

> Unfortunately, I don't have the ices log for when the problem started.  For
> some hither-to unknown reason, the ices log starts at just before 19 hours
> on Sunday, by which time this had already started.

Thats probably because of the log size, ~2Meg at the moment, I'm
thinking of making that configurable.

> Another, quite likely unrelated question, is that the YP stuff seems to be
> doing a hell of a lot.  at one stage, I could see only 2 seconds worth of
> activity on the screen, with all the YP debug stuff.  Is there some
> specific delay time between YP touches?  I do of course realise that ices
> trying to reconnect may be causing this and not the other way around, it's
> just that there's nothing in the icecast config that defines how often to
> touch the YP servers (at least as far as I can see).  I've been running the
> server since Saturday and the error log is 61.3 meg.

On source connection, the YP update is flagged, so you are probably
seeing an effect of ices reconnecting.  The YP side of icecast needs to
be fixed up as well (that's in progress) as it is too verbose as is.

karl.

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From andy at benow.ca  Tue Mar  9 19:56:01 2004
From: andy at benow.ca (Andrew Taylor)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 12:56:01 -0700
Subject: [icecast] dumpfile with libshout2/icecast2
Message-ID: <1078862160.16497.41.camel@canvas>



Heyas,

I'm trying to get setDumpfile working with the java libshout bindings. 
I am calling shout_set_dumpfile(shout,char*) after specifying the port,
host, mount and password, yet, the dumpfile is not created on the server
side. To be more specific, I'm trying this:

bin/streamAdmin -d /tmp/test.mp3 -h streams.benow.ca -p 80 -P pass -m
/benow

which sets the dumpfile to be /tmp/test.mp3 for the /benow stream, which
completes with no errors, but /tmp/test.mp3 is not created.  What I am
hoping to accomplish is to cron On and Off times for show archiving.  Is
per mount libshout2 initiated dumpfile recording tested on icecast2,
and, if so, any pointers?  Also, to stop dumpfile recording, does one
pass in a NULL to shout_set_dumpfile?

Thanks,  

Andy

PS Icecast2/Libshout2 are without compare!  Great work.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Tue Mar  9 23:48:42 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 10:48:42 +1100
Subject: [icecast] dumpfile with libshout2/icecast2
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On Wednesday 10 March 2004 06:56, Andrew Taylor wrote:
> Heyas,
>
> I'm trying to get setDumpfile working with the java libshout bindings.
> I am calling shout_set_dumpfile(shout,char*) after specifying the port,
> host, mount and password, yet, the dumpfile is not created on the server
> side. To be more specific, I'm trying this:
>
> bin/streamAdmin -d /tmp/test.mp3 -h streams.benow.ca -p 80 -P pass -m
> /benow
>
> which sets the dumpfile to be /tmp/test.mp3 for the /benow stream, which
> completes with no errors, but /tmp/test.mp3 is not created.  What I am
> hoping to accomplish is to cron On and Off times for show archiving.  Is
> per mount libshout2 initiated dumpfile recording tested on icecast2,
> and, if so, any pointers?  Also, to stop dumpfile recording, does one
> pass in a NULL to shout_set_dumpfile?
>

I suspect this source-initiated dumpfile stuff is for icecast 1.x. 

Certainly, it is not (and will never be) implemented in icecast 2. It can be 
configured server-side.

I doubt there's a way to stop dumpfile recording with icecast 1.x.

Mike

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From andy at benow.ca  Tue Mar  9 23:59:59 2004
From: andy at benow.ca (Andrew Taylor)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2004 16:59:59 -0700
Subject: [icecast] dumpfile with libshout2/icecast2
In-Reply-To: <200403101048.42207.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <1078876799.7505.5.camel@canvas>



Thanks for the reply, Mike.  

Is there currently any way to accomplish the same thing (ie, recording
of a dumpfile for a mount for a given duration) with icecast2 as it
stands?  Perhaps through the admin interface, or via a config change and
reload?  I'm surprised this feature has not been more requested, it
would certainly be welcome here.  

If not, no biggie, I could just use a local gstreamer process to record.

Thanks,

Andy

<p>On Tue, 2004-03-09 at 16:48, Michael Smith wrote:
> On Wednesday 10 March 2004 06:56, Andrew Taylor wrote:
> > Heyas,
> >
> > I'm trying to get setDumpfile working with the java libshout bindings.
> > I am calling shout_set_dumpfile(shout,char*) after specifying the port,
> > host, mount and password, yet, the dumpfile is not created on the server
> > side. To be more specific, I'm trying this:
> >
> > bin/streamAdmin -d /tmp/test.mp3 -h streams.benow.ca -p 80 -P pass -m
> > /benow
> >
> > which sets the dumpfile to be /tmp/test.mp3 for the /benow stream, which
> > completes with no errors, but /tmp/test.mp3 is not created.  What I am
> > hoping to accomplish is to cron On and Off times for show archiving.  Is
> > per mount libshout2 initiated dumpfile recording tested on icecast2,
> > and, if so, any pointers?  Also, to stop dumpfile recording, does one
> > pass in a NULL to shout_set_dumpfile?
> >
> 
> I suspect this source-initiated dumpfile stuff is for icecast 1.x. 
> 
> Certainly, it is not (and will never be) implemented in icecast 2. It can be 
> configured server-side.
> 
> I doubt there's a way to stop dumpfile recording with icecast 1.x.
> 
> Mike
> 
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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar 10 00:07:13 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2004 11:07:13 +1100
Subject: [icecast] dumpfile with libshout2/icecast2
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On Wednesday 10 March 2004 10:59, Andrew Taylor wrote:
> Thanks for the reply, Mike.
>
> Is there currently any way to accomplish the same thing (ie, recording
> of a dumpfile for a mount for a given duration) with icecast2 as it
> stands?  Perhaps through the admin interface, or via a config change and
> reload?  I'm surprised this feature has not been more requested, it
> would certainly be welcome here.

Not currently. You can enable the dumpfile by editing the config file and 
reloading it, but this only takes effect on source connection; you can't 
currently use it to turn stream dumping on/off at runtime.

You could add a request for this feature to bugzilla if you want 
(http://bugs.xiph.org), so we don't forget it.

Mike

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From karl at xiph.org  Thu Mar 11 23:19:28 2004
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 11 Mar 2004 23:19:28 +0000
Subject: [icecast] announcement
Message-ID: <1079047167.4203.138.camel@bogus.hackers.club>



After far too long under development and testing, this is to announce
the release Ices 2.0.0.

What is it?

Ices is a source client for Icecast v2 streaming server. It takes audio
from a stated input and (re)encodes the audio for streaming to icecast
for listeners to pick up.

<p>What's in this release?

* stream Ogg Vorbis to one or more Icecast servers
* allow for resampling, dowmixing and re-encoding to the required
  bitrate or quality on a per stream basis.
* Use one of the following input modules for providing the audio streams

  Live input
  . OSS - commonly used audio system for a various unix-like systems
  . ALSA - new audio system for Linux based systems.
  . Sun - Audio driver used on Sun Solaris and OpenBSD
  
  Additional modules
  . stdinpcm - Raw PCM fed via stdin for encoding
  . playlist - Read a playlist of Ogg Vorbis files. The playlist can
               be a static file or created from another program.

* most input modules have the ability to insert metadata (eg artist
  and title) into the stream.
* Documentation is provided in distributed package and on the icecast
  web site located at http://www.icecast.org/files/ices_docs/

<p>Where can I get it from?

http://www.icecast.org/files/ices-2.0.0.tar.gz
http://www.icecast.org/files/ices-2.0.0.tar.bz2

<p>We would like to thank everyone who contributed to development and
testing of ices.

<p>Icecast development team

www.icecast.org

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From admin at hidayahonline.org  Fri Mar 12 00:18:46 2004
From: admin at hidayahonline.org (HidayahOnline.org Admin)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 19:18:46 -0500
Subject: [icecast] announcement
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Karl Heyes wrote:

>After far too long under development and testing, this is to announce
>the release Ices 2.0.0.
>
What do you guys have against Win32, anyway?  :-p

(or did I miss something?)
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From msmith at xiph.org  Fri Mar 12 00:38:45 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 11:38:45 +1100
Subject: [icecast] announcement
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On Friday 12 March 2004 11:18, HidayahOnline.org Admin wrote:
> Karl Heyes wrote:
> >After far too long under development and testing, this is to announce
> >the release Ices 2.0.0.
>
> What do you guys have against Win32, anyway?  :-p
>

I was the original author of ices2, though Karl is now doing most of the 
development.

My intent in writing ices2 was to keep it largely portable. This generally 
means "it could be ported to windows, if someone motivated and smart wanted 
to do so". I don't have a legal copy of windows (and the MSVC++ version I 
have is more than a little out of date), so I can't do that port. I don't 
think Karl does any windows development either.

So, in short: we don't have anything _against_ win32, and a port would be very 
welcome. However, we don't have the resources ourselves to implement that 
port.

Mike

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From eviloverlord at kucs.net  Fri Mar 12 00:56:15 2004
From: eviloverlord at kucs.net (EvilOverlord)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 00:56:15 +0000
Subject: [icecast] announcement
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Karl Heyes wrote:

> After far too long under development and testing, this is to announce
> the release Ices 2.0.0.

Woo! Well done Karl, Many Thanks!

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From admin at hidayahonline.org  Fri Mar 12 01:31:51 2004
From: admin at hidayahonline.org (HidayahOnline.org Admin)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:31:51 -0500
Subject: [icecast] announcement
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Michael Smith wrote:

>On Friday 12 March 2004 11:18, HidayahOnline.org Admin wrote:
>  
>
>>Karl Heyes wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>After far too long under development and testing, this is to announce
>>>the release Ices 2.0.0.
>>>      
>>>
>>What do you guys have against Win32, anyway?  :-p
>>
>>    
>>
>
>I was the original author of ices2, though Karl is now doing most of the 
>development.
>
>My intent in writing ices2 was to keep it largely portable. This generally 
>means "it could be ported to windows, if someone motivated and smart wanted 
>to do so". I don't have a legal copy of windows (and the MSVC++ version I 
>have is more than a little out of date), so I can't do that port. I don't 
>think Karl does any windows development either.
>
>So, in short: we don't have anything _against_ win32, and a port would be very 
>welcome. However, we don't have the resources ourselves to implement that 
>port.
>
>Mike
>
Mike,

I appreciate the feedback and the explanation.  My statement, of course, 
was not meant to be taken as a complaint...just more of a lament.  :)  I 
just haven't made the switch to Linux (or and *nix for that matter), so 
I'm a little limited when it comes to grass-roots development.
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From mike at linuxlink.com  Fri Mar 12 02:30:44 2004
From: mike at linuxlink.com (Michael H. Collins)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2004 20:30:44 -0600
Subject: [icecast] announcement
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think Karl does any windows development either.
> 
> So, in short: we don't have anything _against_ win32, and a port would be very 
> welcome. However, we don't have the resources ourselves to implement that 
> port.
> 
> Mike
> 

Speak for yourself.  I dont run windows but have to admin 50 boxes.  It 
wastes most of my time i could be using for open source projects.

I hate Windows.

heheheh

have fun

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Fri Mar 12 04:58:23 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 14:58:23 +1000
Subject: [icecast] announcement
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Hi:

Just to add that most, if not all, that ices does can already be done using
other Windows tools.

You can stream a playlist unencoded with Ezstream. You can stream raw
soundcard input with streamTranscoder.  And you can do all that and more
with the various Oddcast plugins.

Geoff.

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From mike at linuxlink.com  Fri Mar 12 13:58:01 2004
From: mike at linuxlink.com (Michael H. Collins)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 07:58:01 -0600
Subject: [icecast] announcement
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are they opensource?

Geoff Shang wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> Just to add that most, if not all, that ices does can already be done using
> other Windows tools.
> 
> You can stream a playlist unencoded with Ezstream. You can stream raw
> soundcard input with streamTranscoder.  And you can do all that and more
> with the various Oddcast plugins.
> 
> Geoff.
> 


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From joe_jones64 at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 12 15:26:23 2004
From: joe_jones64 at hotmail.com (Joe Jones)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:26:23 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Problems with Ices0.3
Message-ID: <BAY16-F892QQqCfMnbE000045a1@hotmail.com>



With perl 5.8.3, 'configure' is fine but 'make' dies giving

-------------------------------------
/usr/lib/libc_r.so: WARNING!  setkey(3) not present in the system!
/usr/lib/libc_r.so: warning: this program uses gets(), which is unsafe.
/usr/lib/libc_r.so: warning: mktemp() possibly used unsafely; consider using 
mkstemp()
/usr/lib/libc_r.so: WARNING!  des_setkey(3) not present in the system!
/usr/lib/libc_r.so: WARNING!  encrypt(3) not present in the system!
/usr/lib/libc_r.so: warning: tmpnam() possibly used unsafely; consider using 
mkstemp()
/usr/lib/libc_r.so: warning: this program uses f_prealloc(), which is not 
recommended.
/usr/lib/libc_r.so: WARNING!  des_cipher(3) not present in the system!
/usr/lib/libc_r.so: warning: tempnam() possibly used unsafely; consider 
using mkstemp()
playlist/libplaylist.a(pm_perl.o): In function `pl_perl_eval':
/usr/home/herbal/ices-0.3/src/playlist/pm_perl.c(.text+0x3d3): undefined 
reference to `Perl_call_pv'
/usr/home/herbal/ices-0.3/src/playlist/pm_perl.c(.text+0x4a5): undefined 
reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_flags'
/usr/home/herbal/ices-0.3/src/playlist/pm_perl.c(.text+0x4e8): undefined 
reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_flags'
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.3/i386-freebsd/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a(DynaLoader.o): 
In function `SaveError':
DynaLoader.o(.text+0x60): undefined reference to `Perl_vmess'
DynaLoader.o(.text+0x8b): undefined reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_flags'
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.3/i386-freebsd/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a(DynaLoader.o): 
In function `XS_DynaLoader_dl_load_file':
DynaLoader.o(.text+0x128): undefined reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_nolen'
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.3/i386-freebsd/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a(DynaLoader.o): 
In function `XS_DynaLoader_dl_find_symbol':
DynaLoader.o(.text+0x38d): undefined reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_nolen'
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.3/i386-freebsd/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a(DynaLoader.o): 
In function `XS_DynaLoader_dl_install_xsub':
DynaLoader.o(.text+0x4b8): undefined reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_nolen'
DynaLoader.o(.text+0x521): undefined reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_nolen'
/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.3/i386-freebsd/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a(DynaLoader.o): 
In function `boot_DynaLoader':
DynaLoader.o(.text+0x68d): undefined reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_flags'
DynaLoader.o(.text+0x6d2): undefined reference to `Perl_get_sv'
DynaLoader.o(.text+0x70e): undefined reference to `Perl_get_sv'
DynaLoader.o(.text+0x747): undefined reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_flags'
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/home/herbal/ices-0.3/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/home/herbal/ices-0.3/src.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/home/herbal/ices-0.3.
*** Error code 1

Stop in /usr/home/herbal/ices-0.3.
-----------------------------------

<p><p><p>Using perl 5.005_03 instead 'configure' runs with these problems....

----------------------------------
checking lame/lame.h usability... yes
checking lame/lame.h presence... no
configure: WARNING: lame/lame.h: accepted by the compiler, rejected by the 
preprocessor!
configure: WARNING: lame/lame.h: proceeding with the preprocessor's result
configure: WARNING:     ## ------------------------------------ ##
configure: WARNING:     ## Report this to bug-autoconf at gnu.org. ##
configure: WARNING:     ## ------------------------------------ ##
checking for lame/lame.h... no
checking lame.h usability... no
checking lame.h presence... no
checking for lame.h... no
Could not find a valid LAME library, reencoding disabled
Vorbis is disabled because LAME is not enabled
.
.
.
Features:
  XML        : yes
  Python    : no
  Perl         : yes
  LAME      : no
  Vorbis     : no

------------------------------------

It will 'make' and 'make install' fine, but when I run the ices program I 
get a "[Bad Password] [encoder]" message in the icecast1.3 running status...

-------------------------------------
-> [12/Mar/2004:15:18:26] Kicking unknown 10 [10.0.0.3] [Failed to execute 
admin command], connected for 0 seconds
-> [12/Mar/2004:15:18:26] Kicking source 9 [10.0.0.3] [Bad Password] 
[encoder], connected for 0 seconds, 0 bytes transfered. -1 sources connected
-> [12/Mar/2004:15:18:26] Kicking all 0 clients for source 9
-------------------------------------

<p>...where Ices0.3 produces

------------------------------------
./ices -c /local/ices0.3/conf/ices.conf
Logfile opened
DEBUG: Sending following information to libshout:
DEBUG: Stream: 0
DEBUG: Host: 10.0.0.3:8001 (protocol: http)
DEBUG: Mount: /stream, Password: WhateverEncode
DEBUG: Name: Default stream     URL: http://localhost/
DEBUG: Genre: Default genre     Desc: Default description
DEBUG: Bitrate: 56      Public: 0
DEBUG: Dump file: (null)
DEBUG: Initializing playlist handler...
DEBUG: Initializing builting playlist handler...
DEBUG: Builtin playlist handler serving: 
/local/apache/htdocs/assassinatorr.mp3
DEBUG: Filename cleaned up from [/local/apache/htdocs/assassinatorr.mp3] to 
[assassinatorr]
DEBUG: Trimmed file to 3716075 bytes
DEBUG: MPEG-1 layer III, 128 kbps, 44100 Hz, j-stereo
DEBUG: Ext: 0   Mode_Ext: 2     Copyright: 1    Original: 1
DEBUG: Error Protection: 0      Emphasis: 0     Padding: 0
Playing /local/apache/htdocs/assassinatorr.mp3
DEBUG: Updated metadata on stream to: assassinatorr
Segmentation fault (core dumped)
-------------------------------------

<p>Icecast 1.3 was compiled and built without any password encryption but I 
even accounted for this by using a crypted password in the Icecast config 
file just in case to no avail.

<p>Why so much problems?

<p>I'd be glad to just get anything running right now as I want to use this for 
a University project I'm working on but ideally I'd want it to compile and 
work using perl 5.8 with the support for LAME re-encoding and Vorbis 
support.

<p><p>Thanks for any help.

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Fri Mar 12 17:29:37 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 03:29:37 +1000
Subject: [icecast] announcement
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On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Michael H. Collins wrote:

> are they opensource?

Yep.  YOu can get ezstream from icecast.org, and Oddsock's stream
transcoder and oddcast plugins from oddsock.org.

As far as commercial offerings go, I know that you can get the samcast DSP
plugin, but with Oddcast available for free, why would you?

Geoff.

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From jmcharry at whqr.org  Fri Mar 12 22:47:26 2004
From: jmcharry at whqr.org (John McHarry)
Date: 12 Mar 2004 17:47:26 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Metadata
Message-ID: <1079131646.12661.3.camel@hedgehog>



What is the XML to put in the configuration file to turn off
transmission of metadata? Does it go in the general section, or is it
stream by stream? Thanks.

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From speedwolf at door.net  Sat Mar 13 00:15:28 2004
From: speedwolf at door.net (Bryan Payne)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 18:15:28 -0600
Subject: [icecast] announcement
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0403130327470.1644-100000@data.home>
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Cause with Samcast you can do WMA, mp3 and mp3pro as well as OGG with AAC
coming soon.

Bryan

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Subject: Re: [icecast] announcement

<p>> On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Michael H. Collins wrote:
>
> > are they opensource?
>
> Yep.  YOu can get ezstream from icecast.org, and Oddsock's stream
> transcoder and oddcast plugins from oddsock.org.
>
> As far as commercial offerings go, I know that you can get the samcast DSP
> plugin, but with Oddcast available for free, why would you?
>
> Geoff.
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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Sat Mar 13 02:03:09 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 12:03:09 +1000
Subject: [icecast] announcement
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On Fri, 12 Mar 2004, Bryan Payne wrote:

> Cause with Samcast you can do WMA, mp3 and mp3pro as well as OGG with AAC
> coming soon.

Like I said, why would you want to? <grin>

Of course, Oddcast will do MP3, and streamTranscoder will do MP3 and WMA.
Oddcast might do WMA too now, don't know as I've not actually used it for
some time.

Geoff.

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From stefan at neufeind.net  Sun Mar 14 15:05:35 2004
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:05:35 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Solution for automatic radio?
Message-ID: <405482CF.20296.156E3B2@localhost>



Hi,

I've read various times that people here are running bigger and 
smaller radio-stations. However, most people with "a bit larger" 
stations seem to also have hardware-equipment for radio-broadcasting 
(studio, mix-panel, separate computer(s) for automatic playlist-
playback etc.) and then send the audio to a dedicated streaming-
server.

But is it possible as a software-only-radio? Is there good 
(preferably) free and extensible software for automatic playlist-
generation? It would be nice if it could support a "what's being 
played"-display (e.g. to put up on a webpage), and possibly also 
support voting-based play-listgeneration (like a "chartlist", where 
people can vote for or against a song), automatic fades between 
tracks and maybe jingle-integration. Oh, the software must be runable 
on Linux, without the need for a graphical interface (console, web, 
...) and without soundcard (direct stream to server or wave-output 
via pipe for encoding).

<p>Thank you *very* much
  Stefan Neufeind
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From joe_jones64 at hotmail.com  Sun Mar 14 15:53:49 2004
From: joe_jones64 at hotmail.com (Joe Jones)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 15:53:49 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Solution for automatic radio?
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Solution for automatic radio?>
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This is pretty much exactly what I'm doing for my Uni project.....but just 
can't get Icecast and Ices0.3 to work.  :(

<p>>From: "Stefan Neufeind" <stefan at neufeind.net>
>Reply-To: icecast at xiph.org
>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: [icecast] Solution for automatic radio?
>Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 16:05:35 +0100
>
>Hi,
>
>I've read various times that people here are running bigger and
>smaller radio-stations. However, most people with "a bit larger"
>stations seem to also have hardware-equipment for radio-broadcasting
>(studio, mix-panel, separate computer(s) for automatic playlist-
>playback etc.) and then send the audio to a dedicated streaming-
>server.
>
>But is it possible as a software-only-radio? Is there good
>(preferably) free and extensible software for automatic playlist-
>generation? It would be nice if it could support a "what's being
>played"-display (e.g. to put up on a webpage), and possibly also
>support voting-based play-listgeneration (like a "chartlist", where
>people can vote for or against a song), automatic fades between
>tracks and maybe jingle-integration. Oh, the software must be runable
>on Linux, without the need for a graphical interface (console, web,
>...) and without soundcard (direct stream to server or wave-output
>via pipe for encoding).
>
>
>Thank you *very* much
>   Stefan Neufeind
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From webby at seneca-rez.net  Sun Mar 14 16:02:18 2004
From: webby at seneca-rez.net (Jason L)
Date: Sun, 14 Mar 2004 11:02:18 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Solution for automatic radio?
In-Reply-To: <405482CF.20296.156E3B2@localhost>
Message-ID: <000d01c409dd$ba52d6b0$1401a8c0@workstation>



Well I had your solution until you said it needs to run on linux.

SAM2 from http://www.spacialaudio.com/  is for doing online stations but it
is windows based.

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From: "Stefan Neufeind" <stefan at neufeind.net>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
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Subject: [icecast] Solution for automatic radio?

<p>> Hi,
>
> I've read various times that people here are running bigger and
> smaller radio-stations. However, most people with "a bit larger"
> stations seem to also have hardware-equipment for radio-broadcasting
> (studio, mix-panel, separate computer(s) for automatic playlist-
> playback etc.) and then send the audio to a dedicated streaming-
> server.
>
> But is it possible as a software-only-radio? Is there good
> (preferably) free and extensible software for automatic playlist-
> generation? It would be nice if it could support a "what's being
> played"-display (e.g. to put up on a webpage), and possibly also
> support voting-based play-listgeneration (like a "chartlist", where
> people can vote for or against a song), automatic fades between
> tracks and maybe jingle-integration. Oh, the software must be runable
> on Linux, without the need for a graphical interface (console, web,
> ...) and without soundcard (direct stream to server or wave-output
> via pipe for encoding).
>
>
> Thank you *very* much
>   Stefan Neufeind
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From rihernanbu at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 15 16:53:34 2004
From: rihernanbu at hotmail.com (Ramon Hernandez)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:53:34 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Any suggestions on what is happening?
Message-ID: <Sea1-F144NsXxdAsbiF00049929@hotmail.com>



Darkice and Icecast2 are running, I have a cd in the box next to my server 
trasmitting to the soundcard line in... I connect to my IP :8000/mountpoint 
and get nothing, I see nothing wrong in my logs....shouldn't I be getting 
something? I have my soundcard settings at

Line : Locked and Record selected.

Here are my latest logs

[2004-03-15  11:45:10] INFO main/main icecast server started
[2004-03-15  11:45:13] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source logging 
in at mountpoint "/wbuq.ogg"
[2004-03-15  11:45:13] DBUG source/source_main Source creation complete
[2004-03-15  11:45:23] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Client connected
[2004-03-15  11:45:23] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Source found for 
client
[2004-03-15  11:45:25] DBUG source/source_main Client added

<p>and

148.137.196.244 - - [15/Mar/2004:11:44:57 -0500] "GET /wbuq.ogg HTTP/1.1" 
200 19123 "-" "Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.6) 
Gecko/20040124" 50
148.137.196.244 - - [15/Mar/2004:11:44:57 -0500] "SOURCE /wbuq.ogg HTTP/1.0" 
200 40084 "-" "DarkIce/0.14 (http://darkice.sourceforge.net/)" 105

<p>Any suggestions as to where I can look to see whats going wrong? If I try to 
connect from the local box it will d/l to a temp folder and then when I stop 
the download, XMMS will attemp to play something from a buffer, no sound 
though.
Ramon

just incase its http://148.137.196.244:8000/wbuq.ogg

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From jmcharry at whqr.org  Mon Mar 15 16:40:40 2004
From: jmcharry at whqr.org (John McHarry)
Date: 15 Mar 2004 11:40:40 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Real Player and Icecast 2
Message-ID: <1079368840.27211.2.camel@hedgehog>



I am streaming mp3 to an Icecast 2 server. The stream works well with
Winamp, xmms, and Windows Media Player, but Real Player runs for a
couple seconds and blows up. The newest Linux version doesn't blow up,
but emits a sharp scratching noise about every 2 seconds. Has anyone
made this work? 

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From daleg at elemental.org  Tue Mar 16 17:01:57 2004
From: daleg at elemental.org (Dale Ghent)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 12:01:57 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Real Player and Icecast 2
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On Mar 15, 2004, at 11:40 AM, John McHarry wrote:

> I am streaming mp3 to an Icecast 2 server. The stream works well with
> Winamp, xmms, and Windows Media Player, but Real Player runs for a
> couple seconds and blows up. The newest Linux version doesn't blow up,
> but emits a sharp scratching noise about every 2 seconds. Has anyone
> made this work?

Sounds like realplayer isn't observing the metadata updates in the 
stream.

/dale

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From webby at seneca-rez.net  Tue Mar 16 21:04:25 2004
From: webby at seneca-rez.net (Jason L)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 16:04:25 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Directories
Message-ID: <002701c40b9a$439cb8b0$1401a8c0@workstation>



How can I make my own stream directory.  I've been switching everyone in my live police scanner groups over to lcecast because it has very little delay and I would like to make a directory of all the scanners.  Anyone have php or asp scripting to make a directory?

<p>If you got this twice sorry.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar 17 00:17:08 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 11:17:08 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Real Player and Icecast 2
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On Wednesday 17 March 2004 04:01, Dale Ghent wrote:
> On Mar 15, 2004, at 11:40 AM, John McHarry wrote:
> > I am streaming mp3 to an Icecast 2 server. The stream works well with
> > Winamp, xmms, and Windows Media Player, but Real Player runs for a
> > couple seconds and blows up. The newest Linux version doesn't blow up,
> > but emits a sharp scratching noise about every 2 seconds. Has anyone
> > made this work?
>
> Sounds like realplayer isn't observing the metadata updates in the
> stream.
>

Clients don't get metadata updates in the stream unless they explicitly 
request them, for obvious reasons. It's unlikely realplayer requests them but 
can't deal with them correctly.

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From jmcharry at whqr.org  Wed Mar 17 02:29:04 2004
From: jmcharry at whqr.org (John McHarry)
Date: 16 Mar 2004 21:29:04 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Real Player and Icecast 2
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On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 12:01, Dale Ghent wrote:
> On Mar 15, 2004, at 11:40 AM, John McHarry wrote:
> 
> > I am streaming mp3 to an Icecast 2 server. The stream works well with
> > Winamp, xmms, and Windows Media Player, but Real Player runs for a
> > couple seconds and blows up. The newest Linux version doesn't blow up,
> > but emits a sharp scratching noise about every 2 seconds. Has anyone
> > made this work?
> 
> Sounds like realplayer isn't observing the metadata updates in the 
> stream.

That looks like what is happening, but I can't figure out how to turn
them off. Maybe that can only be done in Icecast1?

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Wed Mar 17 02:10:27 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:10:27 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Any suggestions on what is happening?
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Hi:

1.  If you're playing using the CD ROM drive, it could be appearing on the
CD input, not line.

2.  Do you have the fader for the line input turned up?

3.  Does your soundcard have some kind of master capture level?  If so, is
it turned up?

A good test for these things is to try recording with something like sox or
arecord.  If that works, then your soundcard stuff is working and you can
then focus on the transmition side of things.

Geoff.

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From joe_jones64 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 16 17:47:38 2004
From: joe_jones64 at hotmail.com (Joe Jones)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 17:47:38 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Problems with Ices0.3 and Icecast
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Problems with Ices0.3 and Icecast>
Message-ID: <BAY16-F30gWSnv9Y6bZ0000fdbe@hotmail.com>



Just a shameless bump incase anyone missed this... :P

<p>>From: "Joe Jones" <joe_jones64 at hotmail.com>
>Reply-To: icecast at xiph.org
>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: [icecast] Problems with Ices0.3
>Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2004 15:26:23 +0000
>
>With perl 5.8.3, 'configure' is fine but 'make' dies giving
>
>-------------------------------------
>/usr/lib/libc_r.so: WARNING!  setkey(3) not present in the system!
>/usr/lib/libc_r.so: warning: this program uses gets(), which is unsafe.
>/usr/lib/libc_r.so: warning: mktemp() possibly used unsafely; consider 
>using mkstemp()
>/usr/lib/libc_r.so: WARNING!  des_setkey(3) not present in the system!
>/usr/lib/libc_r.so: WARNING!  encrypt(3) not present in the system!
>/usr/lib/libc_r.so: warning: tmpnam() possibly used unsafely; consider 
>using mkstemp()
>/usr/lib/libc_r.so: warning: this program uses f_prealloc(), which is not 
>recommended.
>/usr/lib/libc_r.so: WARNING!  des_cipher(3) not present in the system!
>/usr/lib/libc_r.so: warning: tempnam() possibly used unsafely; consider 
>using mkstemp()
>playlist/libplaylist.a(pm_perl.o): In function `pl_perl_eval':
>/usr/home/herbal/ices-0.3/src/playlist/pm_perl.c(.text+0x3d3): undefined 
>reference to `Perl_call_pv'
>/usr/home/herbal/ices-0.3/src/playlist/pm_perl.c(.text+0x4a5): undefined 
>reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_flags'
>/usr/home/herbal/ices-0.3/src/playlist/pm_perl.c(.text+0x4e8): undefined 
>reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_flags'
>/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.3/i386-freebsd/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a(DynaLoader.o): 
>In function `SaveError':
>DynaLoader.o(.text+0x60): undefined reference to `Perl_vmess'
>DynaLoader.o(.text+0x8b): undefined reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_flags'
>/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.3/i386-freebsd/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a(DynaLoader.o): 
>In function `XS_DynaLoader_dl_load_file':
>DynaLoader.o(.text+0x128): undefined reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_nolen'
>/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.3/i386-freebsd/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a(DynaLoader.o): 
>In function `XS_DynaLoader_dl_find_symbol':
>DynaLoader.o(.text+0x38d): undefined reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_nolen'
>/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.3/i386-freebsd/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a(DynaLoader.o): 
>In function `XS_DynaLoader_dl_install_xsub':
>DynaLoader.o(.text+0x4b8): undefined reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_nolen'
>DynaLoader.o(.text+0x521): undefined reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_nolen'
>/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.8.3/i386-freebsd/auto/DynaLoader/DynaLoader.a(DynaLoader.o): 
>In function `boot_DynaLoader':
>DynaLoader.o(.text+0x68d): undefined reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_flags'
>DynaLoader.o(.text+0x6d2): undefined reference to `Perl_get_sv'
>DynaLoader.o(.text+0x70e): undefined reference to `Perl_get_sv'
>DynaLoader.o(.text+0x747): undefined reference to `Perl_sv_2pv_flags'
>*** Error code 1
>
>Stop in /usr/home/herbal/ices-0.3/src.
>*** Error code 1
>
>Stop in /usr/home/herbal/ices-0.3/src.
>*** Error code 1
>
>Stop in /usr/home/herbal/ices-0.3.
>*** Error code 1
>
>Stop in /usr/home/herbal/ices-0.3.
>-----------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>Using perl 5.005_03 instead 'configure' runs with these problems....
>
>----------------------------------
>checking lame/lame.h usability... yes
>checking lame/lame.h presence... no
>configure: WARNING: lame/lame.h: accepted by the compiler, rejected by the 
>preprocessor!
>configure: WARNING: lame/lame.h: proceeding with the preprocessor's result
>configure: WARNING:     ## ------------------------------------ ##
>configure: WARNING:     ## Report this to bug-autoconf at gnu.org. ##
>configure: WARNING:     ## ------------------------------------ ##
>checking for lame/lame.h... no
>checking lame.h usability... no
>checking lame.h presence... no
>checking for lame.h... no
>Could not find a valid LAME library, reencoding disabled
>Vorbis is disabled because LAME is not enabled
>.
>.
>.
>Features:
>  XML        : yes
>  Python    : no
>  Perl         : yes
>  LAME      : no
>  Vorbis     : no
>
>------------------------------------
>
>It will 'make' and 'make install' fine, but when I run the ices program I 
>get a "[Bad Password] [encoder]" message in the icecast1.3 running 
>status...
>
>-------------------------------------
>-> [12/Mar/2004:15:18:26] Kicking unknown 10 [10.0.0.3] [Failed to execute 
>admin command], connected for 0 seconds
>-> [12/Mar/2004:15:18:26] Kicking source 9 [10.0.0.3] [Bad Password] 
>[encoder], connected for 0 seconds, 0 bytes transfered. -1 sources 
>connected
>-> [12/Mar/2004:15:18:26] Kicking all 0 clients for source 9
>-------------------------------------
>
>
>...where Ices0.3 produces
>
>------------------------------------
>./ices -c /local/ices0.3/conf/ices.conf
>Logfile opened
>DEBUG: Sending following information to libshout:
>DEBUG: Stream: 0
>DEBUG: Host: 10.0.0.3:8001 (protocol: http)
>DEBUG: Mount: /stream, Password: WhateverEncode
>DEBUG: Name: Default stream     URL: http://localhost/
>DEBUG: Genre: Default genre     Desc: Default description
>DEBUG: Bitrate: 56      Public: 0
>DEBUG: Dump file: (null)
>DEBUG: Initializing playlist handler...
>DEBUG: Initializing builting playlist handler...
>DEBUG: Builtin playlist handler serving: 
>/local/apache/htdocs/assassinatorr.mp3
>DEBUG: Filename cleaned up from [/local/apache/htdocs/assassinatorr.mp3] to 
>[assassinatorr]
>DEBUG: Trimmed file to 3716075 bytes
>DEBUG: MPEG-1 layer III, 128 kbps, 44100 Hz, j-stereo
>DEBUG: Ext: 0   Mode_Ext: 2     Copyright: 1    Original: 1
>DEBUG: Error Protection: 0      Emphasis: 0     Padding: 0
>Playing /local/apache/htdocs/assassinatorr.mp3
>DEBUG: Updated metadata on stream to: assassinatorr
>Segmentation fault (core dumped)
>-------------------------------------
>
>
>Icecast 1.3 was compiled and built without any password encryption but I 
>even accounted for this by using a crypted password in the Icecast config 
>file just in case to no avail.
>
>
>Why so much problems?
>
>
>I'd be glad to just get anything running right now as I want to use this 
>for a University project I'm working on but ideally I'd want it to compile 
>and work using perl 5.8 with the support for LAME re-encoding and Vorbis 
>support.
>
>
>
>Thanks for any help.
>
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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Mar 15 00:23:28 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2004 11:23:28 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Metadata
In-Reply-To: <1079131646.12661.3.camel@hedgehog>
Message-ID: <200403151123.28278.msmith@xiph.org>



On Saturday 13 March 2004 09:47, John McHarry wrote:
> What is the XML to put in the configuration file to turn off
> transmission of metadata? Does it go in the general section, or is it
> stream by stream? Thanks.
>

I don't think you currently can turn this off (I think there might be a 
setting for this, but it gets ignored). Can you explain why you want to do 
this, and what format(s) you want to do it for?

M

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From webby at seneca-rez.net  Tue Mar 16 20:10:23 2004
From: webby at seneca-rez.net (Jason L)
Date: Tue, 16 Mar 2004 15:10:23 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Stream Directory
Message-ID: <000801c40b92$b7421ab0$1401a8c0@workstation>



How can I make my own stream directory.  I've been switching everyone in my live police scanner groups over to lcecast because it has very little delay and I would like to make a directory of all the scanners.  Anyone have php or asp scripting to make a directory?

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Wed Mar 17 08:25:37 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 18:25:37 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Metadata
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Hi:

Surely turning off transmission of metadata is something you should do at
the source level.  After all, turning it off in icecast would affect all
listeners to that mountpoint, so there's no point in sending it up to
icecast in the first place.

Geoff.

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From fnyberg at abo.fi  Wed Mar 17 08:27:00 2004
From: fnyberg at abo.fi (Fredrik Nyberg INF)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 10:27:00 +0200
Subject: [icecast] authentication and/or TCP-wrappers for icecast2
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Message-ID: <1079512019.7502.3.camel@devnull.abo.fi>


Hello!

I was wondering if there is any way to force clients to authenticate to
the icecast2 server before being allowed to play music. It seems to have
been possible in the older version, but I can find no references to it
in verson 2.0.

Another thing, does anyone have a libwrap patch for icecast2? Not that
it would be hard to write one myself, but I'm asking anyway.

Thanx,
Nyb?

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From alex_der at favorit.tv  Wed Mar 17 10:52:07 2004
From: alex_der at favorit.tv (Alexander Ivlev)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 12:52:07 +0200
Subject: [icecast] error compile Shout-2.0.1 on FreeBSD 4.9
Message-ID: <1065042742.20040317125207@favorit.tv>



Hello, All!

Sorry for my english, I'am from Ukraine.

I trying install Shout 2.0.1 module on my server:

# perl Makefile.PL

Checking if your kit is complete...
Looks good
Writing Makefile for Shout

# make
cp example2.pl blib/lib/example2.pl
cp example.pl blib/lib/example.pl
cp Shout.pm blib/lib/Shout.pm
AutoSplitting blib/lib/Shout.pm (blib/lib/auto/Shout)
/usr/bin/perl -I/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.1/mach -I/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.1/BSD
PAN /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.1/ExtUtils/xsubpp  -typemap /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.
6.1/ExtUtils/typemap -typemap typemap Shout.xs > Shout.xsc && mv Shout.xsc Shout
.c
cc -c  -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include -O -pipe    -DVERSION=\"2.0.1\"  -DXS
_VERSION=\"2.0.1\" -DPIC -fPIC -I/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.1/mach/CORE  Shout.c
Running Mkbootstrap for Shout ()
chmod 644 Shout.bs
rm -f blib/arch/auto/Shout/Shout.so
LD_RUN_PATH="/usr/local/lib" cc  -shared  -L/usr/local/lib Shout.o  -o blib/arch
/auto/Shout/Shout.so   -L/usr/local/lib -lshout -lvorbis
chmod 755 blib/arch/auto/Shout/Shout.so
cp Shout.bs blib/arch/auto/Shout/Shout.bs
chmod 644 blib/arch/auto/Shout/Shout.bs
Manifying blib/man3/Shout.3

# make test
PERL_DL_NONLAZY=1 /usr/bin/perl -Iblib/arch -Iblib/lib -I/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.
6.1/mach -I/usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.1/BSDPAN test.pl
1..3
Can't load 'blib/arch/auto/Shout/Shout.so' for module Shout: /usr/local/lib/libs
hout.so.3: Undefined symbol "pthread_cond_signal" at /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.1/
mach/DynaLoader.pm line 206.
 at test.pl line 8
Compilation failed in require at test.pl line 8.
BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at test.pl line 8.
*** Error code 255

Stop in /root/Shout-2.0.1.

# make install
Installing /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/mach/auto/Shout/Shout.so
Installing /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/mach/auto/Shout/Shout.bs
Files found in blib/arch: installing files in blib/lib into architecture depende
nt library tree
Installing /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/mach/example2.pl
Installing /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/mach/example.pl
Installing /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/mach/Shout.pm
Installing /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/mach/auto/Shout/autosplit.ix
Installing /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.1/man/man3/Shout.3
Writing /usr/local/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.6.1/mach/auto/Shout/.packlist
FreeBSD: Registering installation in the package database
Appending installation info to /usr/local/lib/perl5/5.6.1/mach/perllocal.pod

# ./example.pl
/usr/libexec/ld-elf.so.1: /usr/local/lib/libshout.so.3: Undefined symbol "pthrea
d_mutex_init"

<p>I'am upgrade perl to perl-5.6.1_15 from ports, install from ports
icecast2-2.0.0_2,1 and libshout2-2.0_3,1.

Please help, why is't don't want compile on my system?


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From ianux at free.fr  Wed Mar 17 21:02:36 2004
From: ianux at free.fr (ianux)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:02:36 +0100
Subject: [icecast] slow streaming
Message-ID: <20040317220236.5c7b6d54.ianux@free.fr>



hi,
here is my configuration :
I've got a NATed network through a linux box
the icecast server is running on the router
I'm running ices 2.0 beta 4 on my own box
everything seems to work fine, BUT:
 - I don't appear on yp directories (which are of course commented out in the icecast config file)
even with my public IP address or a dyndns domain
 - the stream lags on the internet. Clients bufferize every ten seconds (with only one listener!)
I resample the ogg stream on ices from 128kbps to about 48kbps but it changes nothing!
is it due to the client which handles poorly ogg stream?
Do I need more bandwith? I have xDSL with about 512K of upload bandwith with in fact 96-128K
available for icecast. What is the needed bandwidth for every listener and for a standard quality ?

Please try it on http://ianux.free.fr/listen.pls

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From webby at seneca-rez.net  Wed Mar 17 21:12:09 2004
From: webby at seneca-rez.net (Jason L)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 16:12:09 -0500
Subject: [icecast] slow streaming
In-Reply-To: <20040317220236.5c7b6d54.ianux@free.fr>
Message-ID: <000501c40c64$825c5a90$1401a8c0@workstation>



something is very odd with your feed. It locked up my winamp.

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Sent: Wednesday, March 17, 2004 4:02 PM
Subject: [icecast] slow streaming

<p>> hi,
> here is my configuration :
> I've got a NATed network through a linux box
> the icecast server is running on the router
> I'm running ices 2.0 beta 4 on my own box
> everything seems to work fine, BUT:
>  - I don't appear on yp directories (which are of course commented out in
the icecast config file)
> even with my public IP address or a dyndns domain
>  - the stream lags on the internet. Clients bufferize every ten seconds
(with only one listener!)
> I resample the ogg stream on ices from 128kbps to about 48kbps but it
changes nothing!
> is it due to the client which handles poorly ogg stream?
> Do I need more bandwith? I have xDSL with about 512K of upload bandwith
with in fact 96-128K
> available for icecast. What is the needed bandwidth for every listener and
for a standard quality ?
>
> Please try it on http://ianux.free.fr/listen.pls
>
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From rcary at mugwump.karoo.co.uk  Wed Mar 17 23:09:27 2004
From: rcary at mugwump.karoo.co.uk (Robert Cary)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:09:27 +0000
Subject: [icecast] slow streaming
In-Reply-To: <20040317220236.5c7b6d54.ianux@free.fr>
Message-ID: <20040317230927.GA377@lagrange-5>



Hi

I can connect to your stream fine with xmms but I'm only on 56k so it keeps
buffering. You might want to try taking the sample rate down to 22050 and the
channels down to 1 in your ices config file.

Rob

On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 10:02:36PM +0000, ianux wrote:
> hi,
> here is my configuration :
> I've got a NATed network through a linux box
> the icecast server is running on the router
> I'm running ices 2.0 beta 4 on my own box
> everything seems to work fine, BUT:
>  - I don't appear on yp directories (which are of course commented out in the icecast config file)
> even with my public IP address or a dyndns domain
>  - the stream lags on the internet. Clients bufferize every ten seconds (with only one listener!)
> I resample the ogg stream on ices from 128kbps to about 48kbps but it changes nothing!
> is it due to the client which handles poorly ogg stream?
> Do I need more bandwith? I have xDSL with about 512K of upload bandwith with in fact 96-128K
> available for icecast. What is the needed bandwidth for every listener and for a standard quality ?
> 
> Please try it on http://ianux.free.fr/listen.pls
> 
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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar 17 23:13:30 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:13:30 +1100
Subject: [icecast] authentication and/or TCP-wrappers for icecast2
In-Reply-To: <1079512019.7502.3.camel@devnull.abo.fi>
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On Wednesday 17 March 2004 19:27, Fredrik Nyberg INF wrote:
> Hello!
>
> I was wondering if there is any way to force clients to authenticate to
> the icecast2 server before being allowed to play music. It seems to have
> been possible in the older version, but I can find no references to it
> in verson 2.0.

Possible with the cvs version (which will become 2.1), not possible with 2.0.

>
> Another thing, does anyone have a libwrap patch for icecast2? Not that
> it would be hard to write one myself, but I'm asking anyway.

Not to my knowledge.

Mike

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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar 17 23:15:32 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:15:32 +1100
Subject: [icecast] slow streaming
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Message-ID: <200403181015.32522.msmith@xiph.org>



On Thursday 18 March 2004 08:02, ianux wrote:
> hi,
> here is my configuration :
> I've got a NATed network through a linux box
> the icecast server is running on the router
> I'm running ices 2.0 beta 4 on my own box
> everything seems to work fine, BUT:
>  - I don't appear on yp directories (which are of course commented out in
> the icecast config file) even with my public IP address or a dyndns domain

That's what you'd expect, surely? If you have them commented out, it isn't 
MEANT to list on them. Also, you might have built icecast without yp support.

>  - the stream lags on the internet. Clients bufferize every ten seconds
> (with only one listener!) I resample the ogg stream on ices from 128kbps to
> about 48kbps but it changes nothing! is it due to the client which handles
> poorly ogg stream?

Could be a client problem. There's not enough info here to be sure, but 
icecast doesn't normally behave like that.

> Do I need more bandwith? I have xDSL with about 512K of upload bandwith
> with in fact 96-128K available for icecast. What is the needed bandwidth
> for every listener and for a standard quality ?
>

Well, if you're streaming at 48 kbps, then it's 48 kbps for every listener, 
obviously.

Mike

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From rcary at mugwump.karoo.co.uk  Wed Mar 17 23:20:48 2004
From: rcary at mugwump.karoo.co.uk (Robert Cary)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 23:20:48 +0000
Subject: [icecast] ogg player for mac
Message-ID: <20040317232048.GB377@lagrange-5>



Hi

Does anyone know of an ogg player for the mac (os 9) that actually works with
icecast. I've tried audion, macamp, unsanity echo, and mint with no results
whatsoever. They all play ogg files from disk, and all grab an mp3 stream from
icecast, but as soon as I try streaming ogg they all fail to regonise it.
(except for audion, which for some reason plays the stream as twice the speed?)

Thanks

Rob

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From webby at seneca-rez.net  Thu Mar 18 01:08:28 2004
From: webby at seneca-rez.net (Jason L)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:08:28 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Playing recorded file before live stream
Message-ID: <000901c40c85$859fe9d0$1401a8c0@workstation>



How would I do this using icecast, have it play a intro file before the live stream?

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From webby at seneca-rez.net  Thu Mar 18 01:15:46 2004
From: webby at seneca-rez.net (Jason L)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 20:15:46 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Playing recorded file before live stream
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I withdraw my question

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<p>  How would I do this using icecast, have it play a intro file before the live stream?

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Thu Mar 18 01:22:52 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:22:52 +1000
Subject: [icecast] slow streaming
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Hi:

Had a quick listen.  Sounds to me like your ices box isn't keeping up (i.e.
can't encode fast enough).  If you listen to it locally, does the same
thing happen or are you OK?  If you can listen on your local LAN then it's
something in your bandwidth shaping/routing that might be the candidate.

If it acts the same way locally, what CPU speed is your ices machine?
Care to post your ices config file?

Geoff.

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Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2004 22:58:58 -0700
Subject: [icecast] ogg player for mac
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> (except for audion, which for some reason plays the stream as twice the
speed?)
did it do that with all the streams? or did you just test one ogg stream?
if you just tested one it may have been because the encoder was borked.

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<p>> Hi
>
> Does anyone know of an ogg player for the mac (os 9) that actually works
with
> icecast. I've tried audion, macamp, unsanity echo, and mint with no
results
> whatsoever. They all play ogg files from disk, and all grab an mp3 stream
from
> icecast, but as soon as I try streaming ogg they all fail to regonise it.
> (except for audion, which for some reason plays the stream as twice the
speed?)
>
> Thanks
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From matt at sprout.org  Thu Mar 18 16:28:38 2004
From: matt at sprout.org (Matt Boersma)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:28:38 -0600
Subject: [icecast] ogg player for mac
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The best one (was) Whamb!  It's free and streamed perfectly.  But
sadly, it fails on OS X 10.3--buffers for a second then just locks
up solid.  Overdue for an update, maybe we can nudge its author.
http://www.whamb.com/

Matt

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> Hi
> 
> Does anyone know of an ogg player for the mac (os 9) that actually works with
> icecast...

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From vanguardist at cox.net  Thu Mar 18 16:31:15 2004
From: vanguardist at cox.net (Manuel Lora)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:31:15 -0600
Subject: [icecast] ogg player for mac
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I've been using it with 10.3 as well and, yes, it does lock up sometimes. I 
did notice, however, that once it starts streaming (if it doesn't freeze on 
you), it's solid enough. But yes, time to nudge :)

ml

On Thursday 18 March 2004 10:28 am, Matt Boersma wrote:
> The best one (was) Whamb!  It's free and streamed perfectly.  But
> sadly, it fails on OS X 10.3--buffers for a second then just locks
> up solid.  Overdue for an update, maybe we can nudge its author.
> http://www.whamb.com/
>
> Matt
>
> On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 11:20:48PM +0000, Robert Cary wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Does anyone know of an ogg player for the mac (os 9) that actually works
> > with icecast...
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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Thu Mar 18 18:04:10 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 04:04:10 +1000
Subject: [icecast] ogg player for mac
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Hi:

Seems to me that Whamb! needs to be listed on the vorbis.com software page
for MacOSX.  This seems to be the best player out there for the mac
(acording to what I've read here and on other lists) and it's not listed
there (or at least it wasn't about 12 hours ago).

Geoff.

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From mike at radiotakeover.com  Thu Mar 18 18:25:39 2004
From: mike at radiotakeover.com (//mikezero/)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 13:25:39 -0500
Subject: [icecast] ogg player for mac
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iTunes works fine, all you need is an updated quicktime plugin that you 
can find at http://www.illadvised.com/~jordy .  i found this on 
www.macosxhints.com

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<p><p>Geoff Shang wrote:

>Hi:
>
>Seems to me that Whamb! needs to be listed on the vorbis.com software page
>for MacOSX.  This seems to be the best player out there for the mac
>(acording to what I've read here and on other lists) and it's not listed
>there (or at least it wasn't about 12 hours ago).
>
>Geoff.
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From vanguardist at cox.net  Thu Mar 18 18:27:16 2004
From: vanguardist at cox.net (Manuel Lora)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:27:16 -0600
Subject: [icecast] ogg player for mac
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That works for local files and not streaming.

ml

On Thursday 18 March 2004 12:25 pm, //mikezero/ wrote:
> iTunes works fine, all you need is an updated quicktime plugin that you
> can find at http://www.illadvised.com/~jordy .  i found this on
> www.macosxhints.com
>
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>
> Geoff Shang wrote:
> >Hi:
> >
> >Seems to me that Whamb! needs to be listed on the vorbis.com software page
> >for MacOSX.  This seems to be the best player out there for the mac
> >(acording to what I've read here and on other lists) and it's not listed
> >there (or at least it wasn't about 12 hours ago).
> >
> >Geoff.
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From matt at sprout.org  Thu Mar 18 18:45:52 2004
From: matt at sprout.org (Matt Boersma)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 12:45:52 -0600
Subject: [icecast] ogg player for mac
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On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 01:25:39PM -0500, //mikezero/ wrote:
> iTunes works fine, all you need is an updated quicktime plugin that you 
> can find at http://www.illadvised.com/~jordy .  i found this on 
> www.macosxhints.com

I thought this plugin enabled playing of static .ogg files only,
not streaming.  Please correct me if I'm wrong--have you actually
used this to listen to an icecast server?

Apple made the QuickTime architecture somewhat accessible, but
the streaming mechanisms in iTunes completely closed.  Boo!

Matt

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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr  Thu Mar 18 21:24:40 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2004 22:24:40 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Real Player and Icecast 2
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Mm, it's weird because it works fine for me... I tried RealPlayer V10.0 (the
new RealOne beta) and RealOne V2.0 with several mp3 stations listed in the
stream directory and everything worked fine for me: both the stream and the
metadata.

<p>Cheers,

MAX

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Subject: Re: [icecast] Real Player and Icecast 2

On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 12:01, Dale Ghent wrote:
> On Mar 15, 2004, at 11:40 AM, John McHarry wrote:
> 
> > I am streaming mp3 to an Icecast 2 server. The stream works well with
> > Winamp, xmms, and Windows Media Player, but Real Player runs for a
> > couple seconds and blows up. The newest Linux version doesn't blow up,
> > but emits a sharp scratching noise about every 2 seconds. Has anyone
> > made this work?
> 
> Sounds like realplayer isn't observing the metadata updates in the 
> stream.

That looks like what is happening, but I can't figure out how to turn
them off. Maybe that can only be done in Icecast1?

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From jmcharry at whqr.org  Thu Mar 18 22:57:28 2004
From: jmcharry at whqr.org (John McHarry)
Date: 18 Mar 2004 17:57:28 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Real Player and Icecast 2
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Are you sure they were streaming from Icecast 2 servers? Icecast 1 seems
to work OK with Real Player. 

On Thu, 2004-03-18 at 16:24, MacSym wrote:
> Mm, it's weird because it works fine for me... I tried RealPlayer V10.0 (the
> new RealOne beta) and RealOne V2.0 with several mp3 stations listed in the
> stream directory and everything worked fine for me: both the stream and the
> metadata.
> 
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> MAX
> 
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> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: Re: [icecast] Real Player and Icecast 2
> 
> On Tue, 2004-03-16 at 12:01, Dale Ghent wrote:
> > On Mar 15, 2004, at 11:40 AM, John McHarry wrote:
> > 
> > > I am streaming mp3 to an Icecast 2 server. The stream works well with
> > > Winamp, xmms, and Windows Media Player, but Real Player runs for a
> > > couple seconds and blows up. The newest Linux version doesn't blow up,
> > > but emits a sharp scratching noise about every 2 seconds. Has anyone
> > > made this work?

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From rcary at mugwump.karoo.co.uk  Fri Mar 19 00:47:17 2004
From: rcary at mugwump.karoo.co.uk (Robert Cary)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 00:47:17 +0000
Subject: [icecast] ogg player for mac
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On Wed, Mar 17, 2004 at 10:58:58PM +0000, Dave St John wrote:
> > (except for audion, which for some reason plays the stream as twice the
> speed?)
> did it do that with all the streams? or did you just test one ogg stream?
> if you just tested one it may have been because the encoder was borked.

Yes it's done the same each time I've tried it. It also did the same playing
static files on disk so I figured it was the codex. I have found that you can
change the speed within the player so reducing it to approx 50% works --- not a
solution I'm particularly happy with though.

Thanks

Rob

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From rcary at mugwump.karoo.co.uk  Fri Mar 19 01:34:41 2004
From: rcary at mugwump.karoo.co.uk (Robert Cary)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 01:34:41 +0000
Subject: [icecast] ogg player for mac
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On Thu, Mar 18, 2004 at 10:28:38AM +0000, Matt Boersma wrote:
> The best one (was) Whamb!  It's free and streamed perfectly.  But
> sadly, it fails on OS X 10.3--buffers for a second then just locks
> up solid.  Overdue for an update, maybe we can nudge its author.
> http://www.whamb.com/
 
Hi Matt

I checked out the link but it's specifically for OS X and the people I'm trying
to set up the stream for are using 9. Thanks anyway.

Rob

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From ianux at free.fr  Fri Mar 19 01:41:30 2004
From: ianux at free.fr (ianux)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 02:41:30 +0100
Subject: [icecast] slow streaming
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On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:15:32 +1100
Michael Smith <msmith at xiph.org> wrote:

> On Thursday 18 March 2004 08:02, ianux wrote:
> > hi,
> > here is my configuration :
> > I've got a NATed network through a linux box
> > the icecast server is running on the router
> > I'm running ices 2.0 beta 4 on my own box
> > everything seems to work fine, BUT:
> >  - I don't appear on yp directories (which are of course commented out in
> > the icecast config file) even with my public IP address or a dyndns domain
> 
> That's what you'd expect, surely? If you have them commented out, it isn't 
> MEANT to list on them. Also, you might have built icecast without yp support.

well, I mean say that yp lines are not commented and that icecast should have parse it,
and I have compiled icecast (2.0-beta3) with a simple ./configure, it should have been built with yp support, or what ?
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From ianux at free.fr  Fri Mar 19 01:45:43 2004
From: ianux at free.fr (ianux)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 02:45:43 +0100
Subject: [icecast] slow streaming
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On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 11:22:52 +1000
Geoff Shang <gshang at pacific.net.au> wrote:

> Hi:
> 
> Had a quick listen.  Sounds to me like your ices box isn't keeping up (i.e.
> can't encode fast enough).  If you listen to it locally, does the same
> thing happen or are you OK?  If you can listen on your local LAN then it's
> something in your bandwidth shaping/routing that might be the candidate.
> 
> If it acts the same way locally, what CPU speed is your ices machine?
> Care to post your ices config file?

well, it works well locally, I'm afraid that's my bandwith...
Could it be a problem of firewall ?
I have port 8000 open on the router, and listeners can reach my stream but seem to lock up after a while...
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From msmith at xiph.org  Fri Mar 19 02:00:47 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:00:47 +1100
Subject: [icecast] slow streaming
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On Friday 19 March 2004 12:41, ianux wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:15:32 +1100
>
> Michael Smith <msmith at xiph.org> wrote:
> > On Thursday 18 March 2004 08:02, ianux wrote:
> > > hi,
> > > here is my configuration :
> > > I've got a NATed network through a linux box
> > > the icecast server is running on the router
> > > I'm running ices 2.0 beta 4 on my own box
> > > everything seems to work fine, BUT:
> > >  - I don't appear on yp directories (which are of course commented out
> > > in the icecast config file) even with my public IP address or a dyndns
> > > domain
> >
> > That's what you'd expect, surely? If you have them commented out, it
> > isn't MEANT to list on them. Also, you might have built icecast without
> > yp support.
>
> well, I mean say that yp lines are not commented and that icecast should
> have parse it, and I have compiled icecast (2.0-beta3) with a simple
> ./configure, it should have been built with yp support, or what ? --- >8

Not neccesarily, there are optional dependencies for YP support, and configure 
will tell you if they're not present (and if, therefore, yp support can't be 
built). You should also use 2.0, not a beta version.

Mike

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From rcary at mugwump.karoo.co.uk  Fri Mar 19 02:31:19 2004
From: rcary at mugwump.karoo.co.uk (Robert Cary)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 02:31:19 +0000
Subject: [icecast] slow streaming
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On Fri, Mar 19, 2004 at 02:41:30AM +0000, ianux wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:15:32 +1100
> Michael Smith <msmith at xiph.org> wrote:
> 
> > On Thursday 18 March 2004 08:02, ianux wrote:
> > > hi,
> > > here is my configuration :
> > > I've got a NATed network through a linux box
> > > the icecast server is running on the router
> > > I'm running ices 2.0 beta 4 on my own box
> > > everything seems to work fine, BUT:
> > >  - I don't appear on yp directories (which are of course commented out in
> > > the icecast config file) even with my public IP address or a dyndns domain
> > 
> > That's what you'd expect, surely? If you have them commented out, it isn't 
> > MEANT to list on them. Also, you might have built icecast without yp support.
> 
> well, I mean say that yp lines are not commented and that icecast should have parse it,
> and I have compiled icecast (2.0-beta3) with a simple ./configure, it should have been built with yp support, or what ?

Do you have the curl libraries installed? If I remember rightly you'll need
these to build icecast with yp support.

Rob

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From ianux at free.fr  Fri Mar 19 03:09:01 2004
From: ianux at free.fr (ianux)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 04:09:01 +0100
Subject: [icecast] slow streaming
In-Reply-To: <200403191300.47572.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <20040319040901.56b1802c.ianux@free.fr>



On Fri, 19 Mar 2004 13:00:47 +1100
Michael Smith <msmith at xiph.org> wrote:

> > well, I mean say that yp lines are not commented and that icecast
> > should have parse it, and I have compiled icecast (2.0-beta3) with a
> > simple./configure, it should have been built with yp support, or
> > what ? --- >8
> 
> Not neccesarily, there are optional dependencies for YP support, and
> configure will tell you if they're not present (and if, therefore, yp
> support can't be built). You should also use 2.0, not a beta version.

oh, yes, thanks. I just upgrade to icecast 2.0.0 and ices 2.0.0,  we
will see if it works better (almost for yp, I've got libcurl...)

 
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From eviloverlord at kucs.net  Fri Mar 19 03:16:26 2004
From: eviloverlord at kucs.net (EvilOverlord)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 03:16:26 +0000
Subject: [icecast] LiveIce and Icecastv2
Message-ID: <405A660A.7060009@kucs.net>



For anyone waiting for a version of liveice that works with icecast v2 
servers:

Yes it finally seems to work...

Please consider this as beta software, the documentation hasn't been 
updated and neither has the GUI configuration interface.

This will be released as a new version of liveice sometime soon (I hope) 
as I have now taken on the liveice project.

The current website is http://liveice.kucs.net/
Please mail any questions, suggestions, etc to liveice at kucs.net

Thanks

Stephen
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From webby at seneca-rez.net  Sat Mar 20 00:15:07 2004
From: webby at seneca-rez.net (Jason L)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:15:07 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Does icecast call home
Message-ID: <002501c40e10$66d77b80$1401a8c0@workstation>



Does icecast call home, the reason I ask is if you look at the following image.   http://redhat.seneca-rez.net/router.jpg

You will see the blue line which is the upload rate from my router. when I run icecast it does this every 3-5 seconds. I thought maybe it was icecast updating the YP but I totally removed that section from my config file and even restarted the computer.  I thought it may be simplecast but I shut it down and it still goes on. it only stops if I stop the icecast server. Can someone tell me why?

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From enrico-minack at gmx.de  Sat Mar 20 00:47:04 2004
From: enrico-minack at gmx.de (Enrico Minack)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 01:47:04 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Does icecast call home
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> Does icecast call home
what about sniffing? grab the packets that are sent every 3-5 seconds and
you will see where they go and what they store.

http://www.ethereal.com

Enrico M.

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From daleg at elemental.org  Sat Mar 20 00:47:09 2004
From: daleg at elemental.org (Dale Ghent)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:47:09 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Does icecast call home
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On Mar 19, 2004, at 7:15 PM, Jason L wrote:

> Does icecast call home, the reason I ask is if you look at the 
> following image.?? http://redhat.seneca-rez.net/router.jpg
> ?
> You will see the blue line which is the upload rate from my router. 
> when I run icecast it does this every 3-5 seconds. I thought maybe it 
> was icecast updating the YP but I totally removed that section from my 
> config file and even restarted the computer.? I thought it may be 
> simplecast but I shut it down and it still goes on. it only stops if I 
> stop the icecast server. Can someone tell me why?

Can you provide a tcpdump of the packets in question?

/dale

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From webby at seneca-rez.net  Sat Mar 20 00:58:36 2004
From: webby at seneca-rez.net (Jason L)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 19:58:36 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Does icecast call home
In-Reply-To: <002501c40e10$66d77b80$1401a8c0@workstation>
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I answered my own question, It isn't icecast calling home, it's someone hammering my server it just happend to start at the same time I put my scanner on the icecast directory.   

Someone or something from the IP  192.127.94.7  tan7.ncr.com   has been hammering my server every 12 seconds.  Anyone else have this IP in there access logs?

<p>Once again icecast is god.
  ----- Original Message -----  
  From: Jason L 
  To: icecast at xiph.org 
  Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 7:15 PM
  Subject: [icecast] Does icecast call home

<p>  Does icecast call home, the reason I ask is if you look at the following image.   http://redhat.seneca-rez.net/router.jpg

  You will see the blue line which is the upload rate from my router. when I run icecast it does this every 3-5 seconds. I thought maybe it was icecast updating the YP but I totally removed that section from my config file and even restarted the computer.  I thought it may be simplecast but I shut it down and it still goes on. it only stops if I stop the icecast server. Can someone tell me why?

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From webby at seneca-rez.net  Sat Mar 20 01:30:22 2004
From: webby at seneca-rez.net (Jason L)
Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 20:30:22 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Does icecast call home
In-Reply-To: <1EA3CECE-7A08-11D8-BC86-000A95BAFCA8@elemental.org>
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see message I posted right after my first one. It was someone hammering not
icecast afterall.

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To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Friday, March 19, 2004 7:47 PM
Subject: Re: [icecast] Does icecast call home

<p>On Mar 19, 2004, at 7:15 PM, Jason L wrote:

> Does icecast call home, the reason I ask is if you look at the
> following image. http://redhat.seneca-rez.net/router.jpg
>
> You will see the blue line which is the upload rate from my router.
> when I run icecast it does this every 3-5 seconds. I thought maybe it
> was icecast updating the YP but I totally removed that section from my
> config file and even restarted the computer. I thought it may be
> simplecast but I shut it down and it still goes on. it only stops if I
> stop the icecast server. Can someone tell me why?

Can you provide a tcpdump of the packets in question?

/dale

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From koophel at wp.pl  Sat Mar 20 22:22:17 2004
From: koophel at wp.pl (Cezary Statkiewicz)
Date: Sat, 20 Mar 2004 23:22:17 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast + oddcast + voice
Message-ID: <200403202322.18431.koophel@wp.pl>



 Hi!

 It's a bit not on list topic, but i'm trying to get some voice from 
microphone in my icecast2 transmissions. I use icecastv2+oddcastv2+xmms 
(1.2.10). I've been trying to get voice via recorder plugin, but it 
didn't work. Normally I can record from mic, but i can't get it under 
xmms.
 Does anybody have any suggestions how to make microphone input work 
under xmms?

 TIA,

 KoopH
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From info at samurai.fm  Sun Mar 21 09:04:29 2004
From: info at samurai.fm (samurai.fm)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 18:04:29 +0900
Subject: [icecast] Helix into Icecast2 loopback
Message-ID: <KATANAUzmRf6Ci6nx8d0000003c@katana.samurai.fm>



Hello all,

I am a little new to Linux so I would appreciate some assistance with this
issue.

I have been running a Helix server streaming RealAudio encoded content live
and on-demand for a while. For the live stream, I use the Real equivalent to
Ices which on the Helix platform is called SLTA. All the content on the
server is encoded as RealAudio.  

I have also successfully setup an Icecast2 server with Ices0.3 streaming
some test mp3s on a loop.

Now, what I would like to do is to take the live real audio feed from the
helix server and loop it back into an icecast mountpoint while being
rencoded to mp3 on the fly. 

Is there some utility that I can do this with? The server has no desktop
environment so I can't feed an icecast source client with a realplayer
input.

It's a bit of a tricky one but any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Hash
www.samurai.fm

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From jmcharry at whqr.org  Sun Mar 21 13:07:04 2004
From: jmcharry at whqr.org (John McHarry)
Date: 21 Mar 2004 08:07:04 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Icecast + oddcast + voice
In-Reply-To: <200403202322.18431.koophel@wp.pl>
Message-ID: <1079874424.11992.1.camel@hedgehog>



On Sat, 2004-03-20 at 17:22, Cezary Statkiewicz wrote:
>  Hi!
> 
>  It's a bit not on list topic, but i'm trying to get some voice from 
> microphone in my icecast2 transmissions. I use icecastv2+oddcastv2+xmms 
> (1.2.10). I've been trying to get voice via recorder plugin, but it 
> didn't work. Normally I can record from mic, but i can't get it under 
> xmms.
>  Does anybody have any suggestions how to make microphone input work 
> under xmms?

I believe you need a separate encoder. Try Darkice or Ices. 

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Sun Mar 21 21:30:44 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 07:30:44 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Icecast + oddcast + voice
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Hi:

If you can record your mic but it's not working in XMMS, this suggests an
issue on the XMMS side.  Are you invoking the XMMS Recorder plugin as
detailed in the Readme?

Geoff.

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From koophel at wp.pl  Sun Mar 21 22:43:23 2004
From: koophel at wp.pl (Cezary Statkiewicz)
Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004 23:43:23 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast + oddcast + voice
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Message-ID: <200403212343.23998.koophel@wp.pl>



Plotka gminna niesie, ?e dnia nie 21. marca 2004 22:30, Geoff Shang 
pojecha?(a) furmank? na targ i rzek?(a) tam takie oto s?owa:
> Hi:
>
> If you can record your mic but it's not working in XMMS, this
> suggests an issue on the XMMS side.  Are you invoking the XMMS
> Recorder plugin as detailed in the Readme?
>
> Geoff.

 Awgggh... Right. My fault. I didn't look into readme as I should. 
Thanks for help:) Now it works almost fine (except for I can't say 
simulatineously with music).

<p> Cezary
 

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From info at samurai.fm  Mon Mar 22 04:39:57 2004
From: info at samurai.fm (samurai.fm)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 13:39:57 +0900
Subject: [icecast] Helix into Icecast2 loopback
In-Reply-To: <405E1C3B.32488.21960B6@localhost>
Message-ID: <KATANA2V859UTRYwvQm00000042@katana.samurai.fm>



Hello. 

I've made some progress on the issue. I found a tool called TrPlayer which
is a text mode front end for real player - initially developed for the use
of the visually impaired. The theory is that I can use this and pipe the
live stream into vsound which then in turn is passed into ices or another
source client. Trouble is, I'm having all sorts of trouble compiling
Trplayer on the latest RedHat... something about __pure_virtual being an
undefined symbol...??

Regarding Helix, I am using a Real server not the Helix Community open
source version. The real version is incredibly easy to install and
administrate and you can pick up a free working version with a stream cap at
1mbps from the realnetworks website. I haven't got around to compiling the
open source version but from what I've heard it is efficient and worth
looking into.

Hash 

<p><p>-----Original Message-----
From: Stefan Neufeind [mailto:stefan at neufeind.net] 
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2004 6:51 AM
To: samurai.fm
Subject: Re: [icecast] Helix into Icecast2 loopback

Hi Hash,

orry I can't help you with the issue because I haven't been running 
a Helix server up to now. The only thing I could imagine working is 
when you have a tool that could grab a realaudio-stream from the 
Helix server and unpack it to plain PCM wav data. This you can feed 
into ices, afaik, and let it re-encode to mp3. If you don't yet have 
such a tool it might be a bit of "homework" to do using the existing 
realaudio-libs shipped with Helix.

How difficult is building Helix, how easy is it to administrate etc. 
I've read a few things about it on the Helix website - but I've not 
yet found the time to occupy myself with it. Looks like much work - 
is it not? What logfiles, frontends etc. does the Helix Server 
provide? And from which point on do you need a real RealServer (where 
Helix Server does no longer suffice)?

<p>Regards,
 Stefan

On 21 Mar 2004 at 18:04, samurai.fm wrote:

> I am a little new to Linux so I would appreciate some assistance with this
> issue.
> 
> I have been running a Helix server streaming RealAudio encoded content
live
> and on-demand for a while. For the live stream, I use the Real equivalent
to
> Ices which on the Helix platform is called SLTA. All the content on the
> server is encoded as RealAudio.  
> 
> I have also successfully setup an Icecast2 server with Ices0.3 streaming
> some test mp3s on a loop.
> 
> Now, what I would like to do is to take the live real audio feed from the
> helix server and loop it back into an icecast mountpoint while being
> rencoded to mp3 on the fly. 
> 
> Is there some utility that I can do this with? The server has no desktop
> environment so I can't feed an icecast source client with a realplayer
> input.
> 
> It's a bit of a tricky one but any help would be appreciated.

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Mon Mar 22 13:37:24 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:37:24 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Helix into Icecast2 loopback
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Hi:

I think trplayer needs to be compiled against the realmedia SDK.    Not
sure when trplayer was last updated either.  You might just want to pull
one of the precompiled binaries up there, that's all I've ever done.

Geoff.

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Mon Mar 22 13:46:25 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 23:46:25 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Icecast + oddcast + voice
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On Sun, 21 Mar 2004, Cezary Statkiewicz wrote:

>  Awgggh... Right. My fault. I didn't look into readme as I should.
> Thanks for help:) Now it works almost fine (except for I can't say
> simulatineously with music).

ah.  I'm not able to run XMMS myself right now, I should be able to run
XMMS 2 when it matures.  does the Oddcast plugin for XMMS have the
equivalent of the advanced controls?  It should have something like a "push
to talk" button.  This way, oddcast picks up your mic and mixes it with the
music that comes from XMMS.  Note: This is how the advanced controls in the
shoutcast DSP works, I'm assuming this is what the Oddcast DSP does too but
I have never used it.  Note also that you don't need the recorder plugin to
use this approach.

The other thing you can do is use XMMS (or equivalent player) to play the
music, use a mixer program to mute and unmute your mic in the playback side
of things, and use either another XMMS instance or something like ices2 or
darkice to grab the soundcard input and send it off to your server.  Note
that to do this, your soundcard has to support capturing the soundcard's
own output.  The SB Live can do this, for example.  This also has the
advantage of being able to hear the mix that is going out.

You may wish to use the two instances method if you want to apply something
like dynamic compression to the signal before sending it out.  Of course,
something like postfish can do this too, but I've never grabbed it from the
Xiph repository to try it out.

Geoff.

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From eviloverlord at kucs.net  Mon Mar 22 15:22:17 2004
From: eviloverlord at kucs.net (EvilOverlord)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 15:22:17 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Helix into Icecast2 loopback
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Message-ID: <405F04A9.3060207@kucs.net>



samurai.fm wrote:

> Hello. 
> 
> I've made some progress on the issue. I found a tool called TrPlayer which
> is a text mode front end for real player - initially developed for the use
> of the visually impaired. The theory is that I can use this and pipe the
> live stream into vsound which then in turn is passed into ices or another
> source client. Trouble is, I'm having all sorts of trouble compiling
> Trplayer on the latest RedHat... something about __pure_virtual being an
> undefined symbol...??
> 
> Regarding Helix, I am using a Real server not the Helix Community open
> source version. The real version is incredibly easy to install and
> administrate and you can pick up a free working version with a stream cap at
> 1mbps from the realnetworks website. I haven't got around to compiling the
> open source version but from what I've heard it is efficient and worth
> looking into.
> 
> Hash 
> 

So what you're effectively wanting to do is transcode a realmedia stream 
into ogg?

Stephen
KUCS.net
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From info at samurai.fm  Mon Mar 22 19:05:13 2004
From: info at samurai.fm (samurai.fm)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 04:05:13 +0900
Subject: [icecast] Helix into Icecast2 loopback
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Message-ID: <KATANAgcOrBLSAQV6uP00000057@katana.samurai.fm>



Well more specifically I want to transcode a realaudio stream into mp3 on
the same machine and on the command line only - reliably!

Following up, I managed to compile the trplayer using a substitute
__pure_virtual function compiled with extern "C" (without it the function
name was being mangled by g++) by now trplayer runs and exits without
warning, error or success... the funny thing is if I try running the
precompiled trplayer with the LD_PRELOAD=/usr/local/lib/libmemc++.so (which
I compiled with the missing __builtin_vec_new etc functions) prefix it seems
to work ok. The problem with that is I cannot pass this into vsound.

$ vsound LD_PRELOAD=/usr/local/lib/libmemc++.so trplayer
rtsp://my.stream.net:554/broadcat/live.rm 

Doesn't work because the extra preload argument isn't passed into vsound
correctly. ARG! I guess my only option left is to recompile vsound with the
preload bit included...

Otherwise I give up. And onto the next problem of mp3 streaming into
flash...

Hash

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To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [icecast] Helix into Icecast2 loopback

amurai.fm wrote:

> Hello. 
> 
> I've made some progress on the issue. I found a tool called TrPlayer which
> is a text mode front end for real player - initially developed for the use
> of the visually impaired. The theory is that I can use this and pipe the
> live stream into vsound which then in turn is passed into ices or another
> source client. Trouble is, I'm having all sorts of trouble compiling
> Trplayer on the latest RedHat... something about __pure_virtual being an
> undefined symbol...??
> 
> Regarding Helix, I am using a Real server not the Helix Community open
> source version. The real version is incredibly easy to install and
> administrate and you can pick up a free working version with a stream cap
at
> 1mbps from the realnetworks website. I haven't got around to compiling the
> open source version but from what I've heard it is efficient and worth
> looking into.
> 
> Hash 
> 

So what you're effectively wanting to do is transcode a realmedia stream 
into ogg?

Stephen
KUCS.net
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From eviloverlord at kucs.net  Mon Mar 22 19:17:58 2004
From: eviloverlord at kucs.net (EvilOverlord)
Date: Mon, 22 Mar 2004 19:17:58 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Helix into Icecast2 loopback
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samurai.fm wrote:
> Well more specifically I want to transcode a realaudio stream into mp3 on
> the same machine and on the command line only - reliably!
> 
> Following up, I managed to compile the trplayer using a substitute
> __pure_virtual function compiled with extern "C" (without it the function
> name was being mangled by g++) by now trplayer runs and exits without
> warning, error or success... the funny thing is if I try running the
> precompiled trplayer with the LD_PRELOAD=/usr/local/lib/libmemc++.so (which
> I compiled with the missing __builtin_vec_new etc functions) prefix it seems
> to work ok. The problem with that is I cannot pass this into vsound.
> 
> $ vsound LD_PRELOAD=/usr/local/lib/libmemc++.so trplayer
> rtsp://my.stream.net:554/broadcat/live.rm 
> 
> Doesn't work because the extra preload argument isn't passed into vsound
> correctly. ARG! I guess my only option left is to recompile vsound with the
> preload bit included...
> 
> Otherwise I give up. And onto the next problem of mp3 streaming into
> flash...
> 
> Hash

If I had to do this I'd stick two sound cards in the box, run the 
commandline realplayer on one card, plug a passthrough from line-out to 
line-in on the other card and use liveice to generate the mp3 stream.

I would say you can do it with a Full Duplex sound card but you'll no 
doubt get one program moaning about the device being in use if you try that.

Stephen
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From jmcharry at whqr.org  Mon Mar 22 22:43:38 2004
From: jmcharry at whqr.org (John McHarry)
Date: 22 Mar 2004 17:43:38 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Helix into Icecast2 loopback
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On Mon, 2004-03-22 at 14:17, EvilOverlord wrote:

> 
> If I had to do this I'd stick two sound cards in the box, run the 
> commandline realplayer on one card, plug a passthrough from line-out to 
> line-in on the other card and use liveice to generate the mp3 stream.
> 
> I would say you can do it with a Full Duplex sound card but you'll no 
> doubt get one program moaning about the device being in use if you try that.
> 
> Stephen
> KUCS.net

This makes more sense to me. RealAudio and mp3 are both lossy
compressions. Cascading them could sound pretty bad. Also, the sound
cards I have messed with appear to have high impedance line in feeds, so
you might get slightly better results to just feed them in parallel. 

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From ianux at free.fr  Tue Mar 23 00:51:46 2004
From: ianux at free.fr (ianux)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 01:51:46 +0100
Subject: [icecast] slow streaming
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On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:15:32 +1100
Michael Smith <msmith at xiph.org> wrote:

<p>> > Do I need more bandwith? I have xDSL with about 512K of upload
> > bandwith with in fact 96-128K available for icecast. What is the
> > needed bandwidth for every listener and for a standard quality ?
> >
> 
> Well, if you're streaming at 48 kbps, then it's 48 kbps for every
> listener, obviously.

So what? changing samplerate or mono/stereo doesn't change nothing?
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From msmith at xiph.org  Tue Mar 23 01:01:54 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 12:01:54 +1100
Subject: [icecast] slow streaming
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On Tuesday 23 March 2004 11:51, ianux wrote:
> On Thu, 18 Mar 2004 10:15:32 +1100
>
> Michael Smith <msmith at xiph.org> wrote:
> > > Do I need more bandwith? I have xDSL with about 512K of upload
> > > bandwith with in fact 96-128K available for icecast. What is the
> > > needed bandwidth for every listener and for a standard quality ?
> >
> > Well, if you're streaming at 48 kbps, then it's 48 kbps for every
> > listener, obviously.
>
> So what? changing samplerate or mono/stereo doesn't change nothing?

Obviously, changing sample rate or number of channels can have an effect on 
the bitrate (it can also, instead, just change the quality at the _same_ 
bitrate). This doesn't change anything about the fact that at 48 kbps, you 
use 48 kbps per listener.

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From jappe at lowlife.org  Tue Mar 23 10:55:33 2004
From: jappe at lowlife.org (Jappe Reuling)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 11:55:33 +0100
Subject: [icecast] reload icecast without losing source
Message-ID: <9B92C864-7CB8-11D8-A64F-003065860680@lowlife.org>



Hi,

i've just added a new mount point to my icecast config file. I want to 
activate this mount point and i need to reload the icecast proccess to 
do so (?) but i don't want to loose the active source streams. How can 
i do this? Does icecast reload it's config file once in a while? Does 
it auto reconnect active streams?

regards,

jappe

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Tue Mar 23 11:49:14 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 21:49:14 +1000
Subject: [icecast] reload icecast without losing source
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Hi:

One of the signals will do this - try HUP.  Note that you don't have to put
a mountpoint in the config to make it work, only if you need to use some of
the special options available in the mountpoint config stuff.

Geoff.

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From matt at sv.net.au  Tue Mar 23 12:13:31 2004
From: matt at sv.net.au (Matt Trim)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 22:13:31 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Configuring icecast for lowest buffering/latency
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Hi,

I'm using Icecast on a windows pc as a "gobetween" to output from a
streaming encoder, bounce it of an icecast server locally on the workstation
and then being picked up from the local icecast server and relayed on again.
(I'm using liveCaster from www.live.com as it allows me to send the audio
stream as UDP which is more efficient than HTTP streaming - unfortunately it
does not accept audio directly from the windows app [Simplecast], but reads
an http stream, which is why I need icecast in the middle as the glue to
hold it together!)

How can I configure the Icecast server to use as minimum buffering as
possible so I can reduce the latency that the http streaming on the local
box introduces?

Is it as simple as setting <queue-size> to something very small like 1024 or
would I need a customer recompile of icecast server to set all the buffers
to minimum settings?

Cheers,

Matt

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From enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de  Tue Mar 23 16:53:17 2004
From: enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Enrico Minack)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 17:53:17 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Configuring icecast for lowest buffering/latency
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> How can I configure the Icecast server to use as minimum buffering as
> possible so I can reduce the latency that the http streaming on the local
> box introduces?
as far as I know, icecast and liveice have the smallest influence on the
delay in that chain. The biggest delay is produced by the client player's
buffer. Have your checked this out?

Why do you need such a low latency?

Why do you consider livecaster's stream being more efficient than the
HTTP-Stream? Actually, after the HTTP-Header there are just raw MP3-Data. In
comparision to that, livecaster puts these MP3-Data into an RTP-protokoll,
which produces more overhead than 'raw' http. And you may be faced random
packet loss.

Or do you mean the network load being more efficient?

<p>Greets,
Enrico

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Tue Mar 23 23:07:34 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 09:07:34 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Configuring icecast for lowest buffering/latency
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Hi:

Icecast, at least the release version, doesnt' employ much if anything in
the way of buffering.  My understanding is that the development code has
some code to prebuffer and burst on connect, but my understanding is that
this isn't the default configuration.

The only sources of latancy will be from the streaming source (i.e.
simplecast in your case), and the HTTP client.  The client is likely to be
the greatest cause of latency.  Check to see if it has any buffer settings.

Geoff.

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From dstjohn at mediacast1.com  Tue Mar 23 23:19:29 2004
From: dstjohn at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2004 16:19:29 -0700
Subject: [icecast] status.xsl url bug
Message-ID: <012201c4112d$4e3a7170$6501a8c0@copperhead>



found a bug in the status.xsl file
old line with bug
<a href="{@server_url}">

new line fixes the wrong linking
<a target="_blank" href="{server_url}">

<p>Not sure if anyone has posted anything about this or not.

<p>Dave St John
Mediacast1 Administration

Need Support ?
http://mediacast1.com/helpdesk

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From msmith at xiph.org  Tue Mar 23 23:24:12 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:24:12 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Configuring icecast for lowest buffering/latency
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On Tuesday 23 March 2004 23:13, Matt Trim wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm using Icecast on a windows pc as a "gobetween" to output from a
> streaming encoder, bounce it of an icecast server locally on the
> workstation and then being picked up from the local icecast server and
> relayed on again. (I'm using liveCaster from www.live.com as it allows me
> to send the audio stream as UDP which is more efficient than HTTP streaming
> - unfortunately it does not accept audio directly from the windows app
> [Simplecast], but reads an http stream, which is why I need icecast in the
> middle as the glue to hold it together!)
>
> How can I configure the Icecast server to use as minimum buffering as
> possible so I can reduce the latency that the http streaming on the local
> box introduces?

Icecast always has minimal buffering.

>
> Is it as simple as setting <queue-size> to something very small like 1024
> or would I need a customer recompile of icecast server to set all the
> buffers to minimum settings?

queue-size adjusts the maximum queue size. icecast will always attempt to keep 
the queues empty or as close as possible.

The only thing you could consider modifying is the two uses of '4096' in 
src/source.c:source_main(). Even there, however, I'd be surprised if you see 
a significant change in overall latency.

Mike

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From msmith at xiph.org  Tue Mar 23 23:27:15 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 10:27:15 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Configuring icecast for lowest buffering/latency
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Message-ID: <200403241027.15402.msmith@xiph.org>



On Wednesday 24 March 2004 03:53, Enrico Minack wrote:
> Why do you consider livecaster's stream being more efficient than the
> HTTP-Stream? Actually, after the HTTP-Header there are just raw MP3-Data.
> In comparision to that, livecaster puts these MP3-Data into an
> RTP-protokoll, which produces more overhead than 'raw' http. And you may be
> faced random packet loss.

The original poster is correct. HTTP is very inefficient compared to RTP. 
There is no way in which RTP produces more overhead than HTTP - if you think 
it does, you don't understand the protocols. 

There are, of course, reasons to pick either protocol. RTP is more efficient 
(and can be used in multicast networks!), but you do have to be able to 
tolerate some packet loss. HTTP is much less efficient (and will generally 
have higher latency) but will correct for packet loss, and you also often 
have advantages with ease-of-use with things like getting through firewalls. 
Icecast is not a solution for all problems - only some :-)

Mike

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From enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de  Wed Mar 24 00:00:34 2004
From: enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Enrico Minack)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:00:34 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Configuring icecast for lowest buffering/latency
In-Reply-To: <200403241027.15402.msmith@xiph.org>
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> ...HTTP is very inefficient compared to RTP.
what exactly do you mean with 'efficient'? Used bandwidth or available
features?

> There is no way in which RTP produces more overhead than HTTP
why? basicly it takes the mp3-stream and puts timestamps and synch stuff
around. isn't that overhead?

Enrico M.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar 24 00:07:29 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 11:07:29 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Configuring icecast for lowest buffering/latency
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On Wednesday 24 March 2004 11:00, Enrico Minack wrote:
> > ...HTTP is very inefficient compared to RTP.
>
> what exactly do you mean with 'efficient'? Used bandwidth or available
> features?

In terms of used bandwidth, RTP is the clear winner. In terms of features, 
neither is a clear winner: HTTP has features RTP doesn't have, RTP has 
features HTTP doesn't have.

>
> > There is no way in which RTP produces more overhead than HTTP
>
> why? basicly it takes the mp3-stream and puts timestamps and synch stuff
> around. isn't that overhead?
>

Yes, that's overhead. Do you know how TCP works? HTTP works on top of TCP. TCP 
has more overhead than UDP/RTP.

Mike

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From enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de  Wed Mar 24 00:40:37 2004
From: enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Enrico Minack)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 01:40:37 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Configuring icecast for lowest buffering/latency
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> > > There is no way in which RTP produces more overhead than HTTP
> > why? basicly it takes the mp3-stream and puts timestamps and synch stuff
> > around. isn't that overhead?
> Yes, that's overhead. Do you know how TCP works? HTTP works on top of TCP.
TCP
> has more overhead than UDP/RTP.
Oh, I see your point. I was just thinking of the overhead in the application
layer, not in the network layer. The bandwidth on the network link of HTTP
over TCP might be bigger than RTP over UDP. But at least the overhead in the
application layer is lower using HTTP ;-)

Enrico M.

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From djmoguta at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 24 19:35:15 2004
From: djmoguta at hotmail.com (djmoguta at hotmail.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2004 20:35:15 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Re: Word file
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Please have a look at the attached file.

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From jmcharry at whqr.org  Thu Mar 25 20:35:07 2004
From: jmcharry at whqr.org (John McHarry)
Date: 25 Mar 2004 15:35:07 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Icecast 2 and Real Audio
Message-ID: <1080246907.29242.22.camel@hedgehog>



It appears to me that there is some problem with the way Icecast 2
streams MP3 that blows up Real Audio. Icecast 1 streaming seems to work
fine with it. 

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From mailist at toolz.com  Fri Mar 26 00:01:05 2004
From: mailist at toolz.com (Mailing List Receiver)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 19:01:05 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Need a command-line splicer of audio files for Linux
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I am looking for a command-line driven audio splicer for .wav files.
Any ideas?

todd at toolz.com
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From eric at zhevny.com  Fri Mar 26 01:40:02 2004
From: eric at zhevny.com (Eric Dantan Rzewnicki)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2004 20:40:02 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Need a command-line splicer of audio files for Linux
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Have you checked out ecasound?

Mailing List Receiver wrote:
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> Any ideas?
> 
> todd at toolz.com
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From info at samurai.fm  Fri Mar 26 04:39:46 2004
From: info at samurai.fm (samurai.fm)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:39:46 +0900
Subject: [icecast] Icecast 2 and Real Audio
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Blows up? On what platform? Version? And do you mean Real Player?

<p><p>-----Original Message-----
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It appears to me that there is some problem with the way Icecast 2
streams MP3 that blows up Real Audio. Icecast 1 streaming seems to work
fine with it. 

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From info at samurai.fm  Fri Mar 26 04:40:09 2004
From: info at samurai.fm (samurai.fm)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 13:40:09 +0900
Subject: [icecast] Need a command-line splicer of audio files for Linux
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SOX might work?

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I am looking for a command-line driven audio splicer for .wav files.
Any ideas?

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Fri Mar 26 14:09:33 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 00:09:33 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Need a command-line splicer of audio files for Linux
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Hi:

I use the Quelcom tools http://www.etse.urv.es/~dmanye/quelcom/quelcom.html
for most of my wav file manipulations.

Geoff.

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From alet at librelogiciel.com  Fri Mar 26 14:15:05 2004
From: alet at librelogiciel.com (Jerome Alet)
Date: Fri, 26 Mar 2004 15:15:05 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Need a command-line splicer of audio files for Linux
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On Sat, Mar 27, 2004 at 12:09:33AM +1000, Geoff Shang wrote:
> 
> I use the Quelcom tools http://www.etse.urv.es/~dmanye/quelcom/quelcom.html
> for most of my wav file manipulations.

for mp3 I'd recommend pymp3cut at http://www.librelogiciel.com/software/

pros : 

        - really fast
        
        - many possibilities
        
        - 100% written in Python.

cons : 

        - doesn't handle VBR files
        
        - I'm the author

bye

Jerome Alet

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From jmcharry at whqr.org  Fri Mar 26 14:49:08 2004
From: jmcharry at whqr.org (John McHarry)
Date: 26 Mar 2004 09:49:08 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Icecast 2 and Real Audio
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On Thu, 2004-03-25 at 23:39, samurai.fm wrote:
> Blows up? On what platform? Version? And do you mean Real Player?

Real Player in every version I have tried on Windows 98 SE and Windows
95. Realplay8 on Linux doesn't die, but emits a scratching noise every
couple of seconds. 

Icecast 2 is release 2.0.0 on Redhat Fedora. 

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From jeremy at groeneheks.nl  Sat Mar 27 01:47:54 2004
From: jeremy at groeneheks.nl (Jeremy Bierbach)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 02:47:54 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Need a command-line splicer of audio files for Linux
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sox works great. to splice out a 10-minute segment starting 12m34s into a .wav file:
sox infile.wav outfile.wav trim 12:34 10:00

to splice two segments together, well:
cat seg1.wav seg2.wav > joined.wav

<p>samurai.fm wrote:
> SOX might work?
> 
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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Sat Mar 27 04:35:39 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:35:39 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Need a command-line splicer of audio files for Linux
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On Sat, 27 Mar 2004, Jeremy Bierbach wrote:

> sox works great. to splice out a 10-minute segment starting 12m34s into a .wav file:
> sox infile.wav outfile.wav trim 12:34 10:00

To do this sort of thing interactively, you can also use soundgrab
(http://soundgrab.sf.net).

> to splice two segments together, well:
> cat seg1.wav seg2.wav > joined.wav

Won't the 44 byte wave header of the second file make a nice loud click in
the resulting file?  I use qwavjoin from the quelcom tools for this and I'm
very happy with it.

Geoff.

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From lazuly at rezo.net  Sat Mar 27 09:23:25 2004
From: lazuly at rezo.net (Pierre Lazuly)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:23:25 +0100
Subject: [icecast] No sound (ices-2.0.0, RH9)
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Hello,

I've successfully installed Icecast 2.0.0 and Ices 2.0.0 on a Compaq
EvoN600C running Redhat 9. Everything runs quite well (no error loggued by
Icecast or Ices), the Ices stream is seen as a source by Icecast and friends
are able to listen to my radio (I see them as listeners in Icecast admin)...
the problem is that they ear only silence ! Looks like the streaming is OK
but Ices could not find the music.

My XMMS is running, playing songs I can ear, and Ices log looks happy with
my audio device, as it logs :
input-oss/oss_open_module Opened audio device /dev/dsp at 1 channel(s),
44100 Hz

Any idea ?

Thanks,
Pierre
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From eviloverlord at kucs.net  Sat Mar 27 09:27:41 2004
From: eviloverlord at kucs.net (EvilOverlord)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:27:41 +0000
Subject: [icecast] No sound (ices-2.0.0, RH9)
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Pierre Lazuly wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I've successfully installed Icecast 2.0.0 and Ices 2.0.0 on a Compaq
> EvoN600C running Redhat 9. Everything runs quite well (no error loggued by
> Icecast or Ices), the Ices stream is seen as a source by Icecast and friends
> are able to listen to my radio (I see them as listeners in Icecast admin)...
> the problem is that they ear only silence ! Looks like the streaming is OK
> but Ices could not find the music.
> 
> My XMMS is running, playing songs I can ear, and Ices log looks happy with
> my audio device, as it logs :
> input-oss/oss_open_module Opened audio device /dev/dsp at 1 channel(s),
> 44100 Hz
> 
> Any idea ?
> 
> Thanks,
> Pierre
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In whatever you use as mixer control for the soundcard (alsamixer, 
aumix, etc) what is set as the "capture" channel?  Your soundcard may 
not support capturing what is being played.

Stephen
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From lazuly at rezo.net  Sat Mar 27 09:39:38 2004
From: lazuly at rezo.net (Pierre Lazuly)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 10:39:38 +0100
Subject: [icecast] No sound (ices-2.0.0, RH9)
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* EvilOverlord (eviloverlord at kucs.net) ?crivait :
> In whatever you use as mixer control for the soundcard (alsamixer, 
> aumix, etc) what is set as the "capture" channel?  Your soundcard may 
> not support capturing what is being played.

If it helps : my soundcard is a ES1988 Allegro-1, the module is "maestro3".
I use kmix as mixer, but there is nothing in it about a "capture channel".
How could I find where it is defined ?

Pierre
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From eviloverlord at kucs.net  Sat Mar 27 09:46:04 2004
From: eviloverlord at kucs.net (EvilOverlord)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 09:46:04 +0000
Subject: [icecast] No sound (ices-2.0.0, RH9)
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Pierre Lazuly wrote:

> * EvilOverlord (eviloverlord at kucs.net) ?crivait :
> 
>>In whatever you use as mixer control for the soundcard (alsamixer, 
>>aumix, etc) what is set as the "capture" channel?  Your soundcard may 
>>not support capturing what is being played.
> 
> 
> If it helps : my soundcard is a ES1988 Allegro-1, the module is "maestro3".
> I use kmix as mixer, but there is nothing in it about a "capture channel".
> How could I find where it is defined ?
> 
> Pierre

Well I don't know anything about your card, but you need to look for a 
"capture" or record setting where you select what channel the soundcard 
records from.

Stephen
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From enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de  Sat Mar 27 10:33:13 2004
From: enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Enrico Minack)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 11:33:13 +0100
Subject: [icecast] No sound (ices-2.0.0, RH9)
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> I use kmix as mixer, but there is nothing in it about a
> "capture channel". How could I find where it is defined ?
then try alsamixer or amixer and watch out for capture and unmute and apply
this for the according channel (mic, line-in, pcm or master)

Enrico

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From lazuly at rezo.net  Sat Mar 27 12:23:20 2004
From: lazuly at rezo.net (Pierre Lazuly)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:23:20 +0100
Subject: [icecast] No sound (ices-2.0.0, RH9)
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* Enrico Minack (enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de) ?crivait :
> > I use kmix as mixer, but there is nothing in it about a
> > "capture channel". How could I find where it is defined ?
> then try alsamixer or amixer and watch out for capture and unmute and apply
> this for the according channel (mic, line-in, pcm or master)

Hum... the problem is that RH 9 uses classic OSS drivers and artsd, not
alsa... so I can't use that alsamixer without installing all alsa packages.
Maybe it is the solution, but I thought it would be possible to use ices on
a classic RH config without installing all the alsa...

Pierre
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From jmcharry at whqr.org  Sat Mar 27 12:40:03 2004
From: jmcharry at whqr.org (John McHarry)
Date: 27 Mar 2004 07:40:03 -0500
Subject: [icecast] No sound (ices-2.0.0, RH9)
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On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 07:23, Pierre Lazuly wrote:
> * Enrico Minack (enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de) ??crivait :
> > > I use kmix as mixer, but there is nothing in it about a
> > > "capture channel". How could I find where it is defined ?
> > then try alsamixer or amixer and watch out for capture and unmute and apply
> > this for the according channel (mic, line-in, pcm or master)
> 
> Hum... the problem is that RH 9 uses classic OSS drivers and artsd, not
> alsa... so I can't use that alsamixer without installing all alsa packages.
> Maybe it is the solution, but I thought it would be possible to use ices on
> a classic RH config without installing all the alsa...

Have you tried aumix from the command line? I have used it in RH 9 and
Fedora, although not with ices. 

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From enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de  Sat Mar 27 12:46:34 2004
From: enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Enrico Minack)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:46:34 +0100
Subject: [icecast] No sound (ices-2.0.0, RH9)
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> ... so I can't use that alsamixer without installing all alsa packages.
actually any audio mixer should be able to modify capture and mute settings!
aumix is good as well

Enrico

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From lazuly at rezo.net  Sat Mar 27 12:49:57 2004
From: lazuly at rezo.net (Pierre Lazuly)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 13:49:57 +0100
Subject: [icecast] No sound (ices-2.0.0, RH9)
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* John McHarry (jmcharry at whqr.org) ?crivait :
> Have you tried aumix from the command line? I have used it in RH 9 and
> Fedora, although not with ices. 

Yes, I did : in fact, aumix from the command line behaves exactly like the
KMix GUI : when I change the PCM or Mic level with aumix, KMix shows the new
settings. But even with aumix set to the good values (PCM to 100%), ices get
no sound.

Pierre

 
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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Sat Mar 27 12:57:35 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 22:57:35 +1000
Subject: [icecast] No sound (ices-2.0.0, RH9)
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Hi:

Your ability to use this setup is going to depend on whether or not your
card can capture its own output, or at least its own PCM output.  Since
you're using the OSS drivers, try running the following command:

aumix -q

This wil list the settings for each channel.  a P flag denotes a device set
to playback only, an R flag denotes a device that you can record from.
Some cards will allow you to record from more than one channel at a time,
so be aware of this.  You need to see if you can set your PCM device to let
you record from it.  Unfortunatly, aumix doesn't let you see the
capabilities of channels, unlike alsa's amixer, so you're going to have to
experiment with it.  It's possible it doesn't, and even if it does, the OSS
drivers mightn't provide that fascility - I really don't know.

So, assuming it does, you could try:

aumix -w r

Note that I don't use aumix, now that I use alsa, so I'm not really that
familiar with it.

Having said all that, it's probably far simpler to use Oddcast for XMMS if
you're playing the music with XMMS anyway.  Get it from
http://www.oddsock.org/tools/oddcastv2_xmms

Geoff.

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From celisdelafuente at prodigy.net.mx  Sat Mar 27 13:05:44 2004
From: celisdelafuente at prodigy.net.mx (Ernesto Celis)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 07:05:44 -0600
Subject: [icecast] No sound (ices-2.0.0, RH9)
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El s??b, 27-03-2004 a las 06:49, Pierre Lazuly escribi??:
> * John McHarry (jmcharry at whqr.org) ??crivait :
> > Have you tried aumix from the command line? I have used it in RH 9 and
> > Fedora, although not with ices. 
> 
> Yes, I did : in fact, aumix from the command line behaves exactly like the
> KMix GUI : when I change the PCM or Mic level with aumix, KMix shows the new
> settings. But even with aumix set to the good values (PCM to 100%), ices get
> no sound.
> 

Have you tried this? 

amixer set Line cap

I'm sorry I don't remember how you set record or capture in aumix, but I
have this problem with Ices2 on Slackware.

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From lazuly at rezo.net  Sat Mar 27 13:18:38 2004
From: lazuly at rezo.net (Pierre Lazuly)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:18:38 +0100
Subject: [icecast] No sound (ices-2.0.0, RH9)
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Thanks Geoff, it's becoming more clear to me now...

> So, assuming it does, you could try:
> aumix -w r

[yann at raglou yann]$ aumix -w R
[yann at raglou yann]$ aumix -q
vol 100, 100
pcm 100, 100
speaker 0, 0
line 0, 0, P
mic 4, 0, P
cd 0, 0, P
igain 0, 0, P
line1 0, 0, R
phin 0, 0, P
phout 0, 0
video 0, 0, P

No "R" on the pcm line, so that is probably the problem : my soundcard can
only record line1...

> Having said all that, it's probably far simpler to use Oddcast for XMMS if
> you're playing the music with XMMS anyway.  Get it from
> http://www.oddsock.org/tools/oddcastv2_xmms

Thanks, I'm going to try it right now...

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From enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de  Sat Mar 27 13:30:51 2004
From: enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Enrico Minack)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:30:51 +0100
Subject: [icecast] No sound (ices-2.0.0, RH9)
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> No "R" on the pcm line, so that is probably the problem : my soundcard can
> only record line1...
doesn't this mean that pcm is captured at the moment?
just try this: use aumix, go to mic, pcm or master and press space, then
this might be captured (a R appears left to the bar).

Enrico

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From lazuly at rezo.net  Sat Mar 27 13:48:07 2004
From: lazuly at rezo.net (Pierre Lazuly)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 14:48:07 +0100
Subject: [icecast] No sound (ices-2.0.0, RH9)
In-Reply-To: <004a01c413ff$b92849b0$0864a8c0@desk>
Message-ID: <20040327134807.GC9617@rezo.net>



* Enrico Minack (enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de) ?crivait :
> > No "R" on the pcm line, so that is probably the problem : my soundcard can
> > only record line1...
> doesn't this mean that pcm is captured at the moment?
> just try this: use aumix, go to mic, pcm or master and press space, then
> this might be captured (a R appears left to the bar).

I tried, and I noticed that it works fine for mic, line1... pressing space
moves the "R" to the selected line... but it doesn't work for pcm or master:
so it seems to confirm that the soundcard doesn't support that... 

Pierre
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From enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de  Sat Mar 27 14:23:07 2004
From: enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Enrico Minack)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 15:23:07 +0100
Subject: [icecast] No sound (ices-2.0.0, RH9)
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> I tried, and I noticed that it works fine for mic, line1... pressing
> space moves the "R" to the selected line... but it doesn't work for
> pcm or master: so it seems to confirm that the soundcard doesn't
> support that...
so it seems its a half-duplex sound card. what about using a audio cable
between headphones and line in? ;-)

Enrico

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From eviloverlord at kucs.net  Sat Mar 27 19:56:54 2004
From: eviloverlord at kucs.net (EvilOverlord)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 19:56:54 +0000
Subject: [icecast] No sound (ices-2.0.0, RH9)
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Enrico Minack wrote:
>>I tried, and I noticed that it works fine for mic, line1... pressing
>>space moves the "R" to the selected line... but it doesn't work for
>>pcm or master: so it seems to confirm that the soundcard doesn't
>>support that...
> 
> so it seems its a half-duplex sound card. what about using a audio cable
> between headphones and line in? ;-)
> 
> Enrico

That would probably cause a feedback loop as soon as you select the line 
-in for capture and probably damage the sound card.

Go look for a cheap PCI soundblaster 128 or something, you can get them 
for peanuts these days.

Stephen
KUCS.net
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From lazuly at rezo.net  Sat Mar 27 20:03:33 2004
From: lazuly at rezo.net (Pierre Lazuly)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 21:03:33 +0100
Subject: [icecast] No sound (ices-2.0.0, RH9)
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* EvilOverlord (eviloverlord at kucs.net) ?crivait :
> Go look for a cheap PCI soundblaster 128 or something, you can get them 
> for peanuts these days.

I'll have a brand new PC in the next few days (running Windows XP), I think
I will use my Compaq/RedHat to run Icecast and will use the XP one as the
source, it should be simpler...

Thanks all for your help... even if it doesn't work, it's good to know _why_
it has not work ;-)

Have a nice week-end,
Pierre
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From agrommek at web.de  Sat Mar 27 22:45:44 2004
From: agrommek at web.de (Andreas Grommek)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2004 23:45:44 +0100
Subject: [icecast] ices produces ogg-files with two logical bitstreams
Message-ID: <001501c4144d$412e7ee0$0201a8c0@tomate>



Hi everybody!

I encountered a strange problem with ices-2.0.0. 
I use a icecast2/ices2 combo ti stream live audio and I use ices to record my stream. This worked well until last week. Since then the recording function produces somehow corrupt ogg-files. 
 
I cannot decode them to wav with oggdec, the program tells me "Only one logical bitstream currently supported". 

ogginfo prints out the following:

New logical stream (#1, serial: 3b1a16e2): type vorbis
Warning: Vorbis stream 1 does not have headers correctly framed. Terminal header page contains additional packets or has non-zero granulepos
Vorbis headers parsed for stream 1, information follows...
Version: 0
Vendor: Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20020717 (1.0)
Channels: 2
Rate: 44100

Nominal bitrate: 192.003000 kb/s
Upper bitrate not set
Lower bitrate not set
Vorbis stream 1:
        Total data length: 0 bytes
        Playback length: 0m:00s
        Average bitrate: nan kbps
Logical stream 1 ended
New logical stream (#2, serial: 0d55ec00): type vorbis
Vorbis headers parsed for stream 2, information follows...
Version: 0
Vendor: Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20020717 (1.0)
Channels: 2
Rate: 44100

Nominal bitrate: 192.003000 kb/s
( ... here comes what I would expect ...)

There seem to be two logical bitstreams. This is not an ogginfo-bug, when I decode the file liveoutputfile.ogg with OggDropXPd (Windows-Prog) I get TWO wav-Files, liveoutputfile_0.wav and liveoutputfile_1.wav, the first one only 44 bytes small.

Why is Ices producing such weird ogg-files. Does anybody has a hint for me???

Thanks
Andreas

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From karl at xiph.org  Sun Mar 28 00:30:29 2004
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 28 Mar 2004 00:30:29 +0000
Subject: [icecast] ices produces ogg-files with two logical bitstreams
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On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 22:45, Andreas Grommek wrote:

> I encountered a strange problem with ices-2.0.0. 
> I use a icecast2/ices2 combo ti stream live audio and I use ices to
> record my stream. This worked well until last week. Since then the
> recording function produces somehow corrupt ogg-files. 
>  
> I cannot decode them to wav with oggdec, the program tells me "Only
> one logical bitstream currently supported". 

oggdec is a simple decoder, I don't think it handles chaining which is
something you can get from ices.
 
> ogginfo prints out the following:
>  
> New logical stream (#1, serial: 3b1a16e2): type vorbis
> Warning: Vorbis stream 1 does not have headers correctly framed.
> Terminal header page contains additional packets or has non-zero
> granulepos
>  
> There seem to be two logical bitstreams. This is not an ogginfo-bug,
> when I decode the file liveoutputfile.ogg with OggDropXPd
> (Windows-Prog) I get TWO wav-Files, liveoutputfile_0.wav and
> liveoutputfile_1.wav, the first one only 44 bytes small.
 
> Why is Ices producing such weird ogg-files. Does anybody has a hint
> for me???

the save file support in ices is very trivial, and can be affected by
icecast [dis]connections.  You should be able to play those files
without problems, but oggdec can have a problem with these files, not
only because of the effect of the icecast connection but with the
multiple logical streams that they can have from say a metadata update
or a change in the file from a playlist.

I have a more useful save file support in my ices tree if that is a show
stopper for you.

karl

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From mailist at toolz.com  Sun Mar 28 22:46:48 2004
From: mailist at toolz.com (Mailing List Receiver)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2004 17:46:48 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Need a command-line splicer of audio files for Linux
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>to splice two segments together, well:
>cat seg1.wav seg2.wav > joined.wav

Nope.  Concatentation does not work.  Only the first segment will
be played as that segment has the header that will be seen by the 
client application (in this case, a browser).

Todd Merriman
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From jeremy at groeneheks.nl  Mon Mar 29 00:19:40 2004
From: jeremy at groeneheks.nl (Jeremy Bierbach)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 02:19:40 +0200
Subject: [icecast] libshout2 (perl) + shoutcast: bitrate
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Thomas Weber wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> currently I'm plaing around with the original shoutcast and use libshout for
> transmitting to the server.
> It works mostly perfect, with one little problem:
> The streams bitrate is not correctly reported to shoutcast. I tried the
> following:
> $conn->set_audio_info(SHOUT_AI_BITRATE => 128);
> $conn is the shout-object.
> Is this for icecast only? Is there another way to transmit the correct
> bitrate to shoutcast?

I was having problems with this as well, streaming to Icecast 2.0! The problem 
turns out to be in the Perl module-- the AI constants do not seem to be 
automatically imported. I solved the problem by fully qualifying the constants 
as follows:

$conn->set_audio_info(
        Shout::SHOUT_AI_BITRATE() => $kbitrate,
        Shout::SHOUT_AI_SAMPLERATE() => $samplerate
);

This may well solve your problem for Shoutcast as well.

-- Jeremy

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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Mar 29 01:44:07 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 12:44:07 +1100
Subject: [icecast] ices produces ogg-files with two logical bitstreams
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On Sunday 28 March 2004 10:30, Karl Heyes wrote:
> On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 22:45, Andreas Grommek wrote:
> > I encountered a strange problem with ices-2.0.0.
> > I use a icecast2/ices2 combo ti stream live audio and I use ices to
> > record my stream. This worked well until last week. Since then the
> > recording function produces somehow corrupt ogg-files.
> >
> > I cannot decode them to wav with oggdec, the program tells me "Only
> > one logical bitstream currently supported".
>
> oggdec is a simple decoder, I don't think it handles chaining which is
> something you can get from ices.

However, note what is originally reported - streaming live audio. Unless the 
user is using the metadata-updating feature(s), there will only ever be one 
logical stream - if this has changed, it's a (serious) bug.

Mike

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From jmcharry at whqr.org  Mon Mar 29 15:39:38 2004
From: jmcharry at whqr.org (John McHarry)
Date: 29 Mar 2004 10:39:38 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Icecast 1.3.12 stream jumping
Message-ID: <1080574778.2670.111.camel@hedgehog>



WHQR and WDAV are streaming mp3 from two mountpoints on the same server.
When listening to one of them, the client sometimes jumps to the other.
I have heard this with xmms. A listener has reported it with an unknown
client, and personnel at WDAV have also heard it. I don't know their
client software, but could find out. This sounds more like an icecast
bug, however. Does anyone know anything about the problem?

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Mon Mar 29 15:51:48 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 01:51:48 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Icecast 1.3.12 stream jumping
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Hi:

I think this is something in the config, to do with fallbacks or something.
It's years since I messed with icecast 1.x so can't remember any more than
that, but have a look at the config to see if it sheds any light on the
situation.

Geoff.

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From joe_jones64 at hotmail.com  Mon Mar 29 20:03:26 2004
From: joe_jones64 at hotmail.com (Joe Jones)
Date: Mon, 29 Mar 2004 20:03:26 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Icecast [Bad Password]
Message-ID: <BAY16-F51s045QcIFAX00025471@hotmail.com>



Icecast  - 1.3.12
Ices      - 0.3

<p>I've compiled Icecast without --crypt and set the passwords in both Icecast 
and Ices conf files, but every time I try and load Ices I get the following 
error in Icecast:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Kicking source 1 [10.0.0.5] [Bad Password] [encoder]
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

where Ices tells me:

---------------------------------------------------------------------------
Error during send: Mount failed on http://10.0.0.5:8001/stream, error: 
Socket error
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

<p>What is the problem?

<p><p>Thanks.

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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Mon Mar 29 23:41:47 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:41:47 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Icecast [Bad Password]
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Hi:

Have you set the server type correctly in the ices 0.3 config?

Geoff.

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From joe_jones64 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 30 00:50:37 2004
From: joe_jones64 at hotmail.com (Joe Jones)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 00:50:37 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Icecast [Bad Password]
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Icecast [Bad Password]>
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I assume your referencing the protocol used, of which I have it set to 
"xaudiocast"

<p>When using "xaudiocast" protocol the Ices client will attempt to connect, 
receive a Socket error message and it then appears to hang (maybe waiting to 
timeout?).

When using "http" as the protocol the Ices client attempts a connection, 
receives a Socket error message and then continually retries subsequent 
connections.

This is reflected by watching the console logging of Icecast.

<p>>From: Geoff Shang <gshang at pacific.net.au>
>Reply-To: icecast at xiph.org
>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: Re: [icecast] Icecast [Bad Password]
>Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 09:41:47 +1000
>
>Hi:
>
>Have you set the server type correctly in the ices 0.3 config?
>
>Geoff.
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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Tue Mar 30 00:58:57 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 10:58:57 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Icecast [Bad Password]
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Joe Jones wrote:

> When using "xaudiocast" protocol the Ices client will attempt to connect,
> receive a Socket error message and it then appears to hang (maybe waiting to
> timeout?).

<shrug> That's the correct protocol.  Not sure what else to tell you.
Hopefully someone else will have a solution for you.

Geoff.

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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr  Tue Mar 30 11:18:01 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:18:01 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Icecast [Bad Password]
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Joe,

Do you use special characters in your password (such as ',.!#|...)? I was
using an apostrophe in my password and had some problems until I finally
changed it in config.xml

<p>MAX

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Subject: Re: [icecast] Icecast [Bad Password]

Joe Jones wrote:

> When using "xaudiocast" protocol the Ices client will attempt to connect,
> receive a Socket error message and it then appears to hang (maybe waiting
to
> timeout?).

<shrug> That's the correct protocol.  Not sure what else to tell you.
Hopefully someone else will have a solution for you.

Geoff.

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From joe_jones64 at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 30 15:23:37 2004
From: joe_jones64 at hotmail.com (Joe Jones)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 15:23:37 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Icecast [Bad Password]
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Icecast [Bad Password]>
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I used an underscore ( _ ) and a couple of upper case characters for the 
passwords but after taking them out it didn't change the situation.

<p><p>I had originally hardcoded the hostname address as '10.0.0.5' (where both 
Icecast and Ices is running), and when set up like this, the client would 
hang.

I have since changed it so that the hostname is now 'localhost' and now the 
client doesn't hang, but will continually retry connection attemps only to 
fail with a "Login Failed" message from Ices.

With the Hostname as 'localhost' Icecast shows

--------------------------------------
[localhost] [Failed to execute admin command]
[localhost] [Bad Password] [encoder]
[localhost] [Bad Password] [encoder]
.
.
.
[localhost] [Bad Password] [encoder]
--------------------------------------

<p><p>Where Ices reports:

-------------------------------------
Mount failed on http://localhost:8001/stream, error: Socket error
Mount failed on http://localhost:8001/stream, error: Login failed
Mount failed on http://localhost:8001/stream, error: Login failed
.
.
.
Mount failed on http://localhost:8001/stream, error: Login failed
-------------------------------------

<p>Could it be that when Ices initiates a connection for the first time, 
Icecast attempts to run a admin command which fails and thus fubar's any 
other connection attemp from Ices?

<p><p>Joe.

<p>>From: "MacSym" <macsym69 at yahoo.fr>
>Reply-To: icecast at xiph.org
>To: <icecast at xiph.org>
>Subject: RE: [icecast] Icecast [Bad Password]
>Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:18:01 +0200
>
>Joe,
>
>Do you use special characters in your password (such as ',.!#|...)? I was
>using an apostrophe in my password and had some problems until I finally
>changed it in config.xml
>
>
>MAX
>
>-----Original Message-----
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>Geoff Shang
>Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 2:59 AM
>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: Re: [icecast] Icecast [Bad Password]
>
>Joe Jones wrote:
>
> > When using "xaudiocast" protocol the Ices client will attempt to 
>connect,
> > receive a Socket error message and it then appears to hang (maybe 
>waiting
>to
> > timeout?).
>
><shrug> That's the correct protocol.  Not sure what else to tell you.
>Hopefully someone else will have a solution for you.
>
>Geoff.
>
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From steve at wcsl.net  Tue Mar 30 21:32:48 2004
From: steve at wcsl.net (Steve Wakelin)
Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 22:32:48 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Mutiple Sources
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Hello,

I am running icecast with great success and Simplecast as the content
source.

I have already having multiple sources using different ports, to
increase the security I would like to allocate each source a different
password.

The documentation is a little unclear as to whether a different username
is required for each password, the Simplecast program does not allow me
to configure a username.

Is this possible?

TIA

/Steve
 
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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Tue Mar 30 23:47:22 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 09:47:22 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Mutiple Sources
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Hi:

There's no need to specify a username for connections, the default name
will be used if not.  Just specify the password in the mountpoint
configuration section as shown.

Geoff.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar 31 01:20:41 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 31 Mar 2004 12:20:41 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Mutiple Sources
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On Wednesday 31 March 2004 07:32, Steve Wakelin wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I am running icecast with great success and Simplecast as the content
> source.
>
> I have already having multiple sources using different ports, to
> increase the security I would like to allocate each source a different
> password.
>
> The documentation is a little unclear as to whether a different username
> is required for each password, the Simplecast program does not allow me
> to configure a username.
>
> Is this possible?
>

Given the login protocol icecast2 uses, a username is _always_ required. 
However, if not configured, icecast will use "source" as the username - and 
clients that don't allow configuring this will send it by default.

So if you a) configure the username as "source", or b) don't configure the 
username at all, things should work correctly.

Mike

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