From root at kezako.net Sun Feb 1 18:20:40 2004
From: root at kezako.net (root)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 19:20:40 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Transcoding ogg with curl, oggdec, ices2: problem after fallback due to oggdec
In-Reply-To: <E1AmVcu-0007ei-00@Yglar>
Message-ID: <E1AnMD2-0007cH-00@Yglar>
I have more info about that problem...
curl | oggdec | ices will never work to my opinion with fallback setup on source
because when transfering listeners to fallback, no ogg headers are sent, so
whatever we do, oggdec will not be happy with the data received...
I tried
curl | while true; do oggdec; done | ices
to avoid breaking ices stdin in case of oggdec failure.
on source fallback transfer, oggdec fails (normal), restarts, fails, restarts, fails, ...
ices is having stdin timeout, ...
Chris
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From giles at xiph.org Sun Feb 1 20:50:05 2004
From: giles at xiph.org (Ralph Giles)
Date: Sun, 1 Feb 2004 12:50:05 -0800
Subject: [icecast] Transcoding ogg with curl, oggdec, ices2: problem after fallback due to oggdec
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On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 07:20:40PM +0100, root wrote:
> curl | oggdec | ices will never work to my opinion with fallback setup on source
> because when transfering listeners to fallback, no ogg headers are sent, so
> whatever we do, oggdec will not be happy with the data received...
really? That would be a bug unless it rewrites the stream id instead.
> Chris
P.S. If you're Chris, why are you sending mail as root?
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From msmith at xiph.org Mon Feb 2 01:57:17 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:57:17 +1100
Subject: [icecast] changing pwd without restrarting the server
In-Reply-To: <02bc01c3e720$7899f030$9b2d4580@yam>
Message-ID: <200402021257.17435.msmith@xiph.org>
On Friday 30 January 2004 22:01, Yves-Armel Martin wrote:
> Hi,
>
> We are currently running an educational Webradio (radio.laclasse.com) on
> icecast1. We developped a reservation tool so that the teachers of our
> school network can reserve one hour of diffusion, they receive an email
> with their password that works only during the hour they reserved.
>
> We want to improve this calendar tool, and so we plan to move to icecast 2.
> But it seems impossible to change the password without having to restart
> the server. Any idea on that ?
>
It is possible to change the password without restarting the server.
You will need to tell icecast to reread the config file when you've changed
it, you can send it a SIGHUP to do that.
Mike
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From msmith at xiph.org Mon Feb 2 02:01:13 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 13:01:13 +1100
Subject: [icecast] new utility - ezstream
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040130152610.02b4ae08@www.oddsock.org>
Message-ID: <200402021301.13625.msmith@xiph.org>
On Saturday 31 January 2004 08:27, oddsock wrote:
> At 03:07 PM 1/30/2004, you wrote:
> >Thanks for your work on this oddsock. It's a major feature that's been
> >missing from the Win32 environment. I presume you will be offering a
> > Win32 binary on your site at some stage.
>
> why sure! http://www.icecast.org:8082/files/ezstream_win32_0.1.0_setup.exe
>
> also, a note of mention, reading from stdin seems to be broken on win32,
> but works very well on unix...but hey, this is a first revision :)
>
> oddsock
>
I haven't yet looked at the code, but for stdin to work correctly on windows,
you usually need to call:
_setmode(_fileno(stdin), _O_BINARY);
That's for MSVC. There are different variations on this for other platforms
and other win32 compilers - see oggenc/platform.c:setbinmode() if you need to
know.
Mike
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From msmith at xiph.org Mon Feb 2 02:01:48 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 13:01:48 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Admin headaches
In-Reply-To: <401AE885.9080200@ormgas.com>
Message-ID: <200402021301.48844.msmith@xiph.org>
On Saturday 31 January 2004 10:28, Marco Alanen wrote:
> Greetings
>
> I just migrated from a Debian install to a Gentoo install, and I'm
> having some issues getting the admin page to work.
> I have setup the acl policy and hosts.allowed the same way as on
> the Debian box, but I can't figure out how to use the *.aut files.
> When I try to connect to the admin page, I get this:
>
You're using icecast 1.x, which is deprecated and no longer supported.
Please use icecast2 instead.
Mike
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From oddsock at oddsock.org Mon Feb 2 04:58:59 2004
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Sun, 01 Feb 2004 22:58:59 -0600
Subject: [icecast] new utility - ezstream
In-Reply-To: <200402021301.13625.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040201225651.02e55ec0@www.oddsock.org>
At 08:01 PM 2/1/2004, you wrote:
>I haven't yet looked at the code, but for stdin to work correctly on windows,
>you usually need to call:
>_setmode(_fileno(stdin), _O_BINARY);
>
>
>Mike
you are, of course, correct Mike, and now stdin reading is working on win32
and I've uploaded version 0.1.1..
I've also setup a page for this utility here ->
http://www.icecast.org/ezstream.php
oddsock
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From iceuse at kezako.net Mon Feb 2 09:38:59 2004
From: iceuse at kezako.net (iceuse at kezako.net)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 10:38:59 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Transcoding ogg with curl, oggdec, ices2: problem after fallback due to oggdec
In-Reply-To: <20040201205005.GE12252@ghostscript.com>
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Yes, that's really the behaviour
oggdec in latest CVS doesn't support source fallback.
and ogg123 is better, but I suspect some kind of similar problem, because yesterday, I started
ogg123 http://.... | ices
ogg123 was handling fallback but this morning, it was out of control : consuming all the CPU, giving
no data to ices. I'm not sure about the real problem with ogg123, I'm searching.
But for oggdec, it's easy to test.
curl http://yourstreamurl | oggdec
then move listeners to another mountpoint (even with same OGG characteristics: bitrate, samplerate, channels)
Chris
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Mon Feb 2 11:58:52 2004
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 12:58:52 +0100
Subject: [icecast] how much horsepower will i need for streaming?
Message-ID: <401E3B7C.1010205@folkwang-hochschule.de>
hi!
i'm putting together a streaming relay network for the linux audio
developer's conference #2 (http://www.zkm.de/lad), and i was
wondering how much cpu power will be required on the master server.
we need to record 2 48k stereo signals simultaneously and encode
them into three streams each:
2x 54kbit/s 22k05 mono
2x 112kbit/s 48k stereo
2x 192kbit/s 48k stereo
it would be very nice if the same box could handle the streaming to
between 5 and 8 relay servers, so that we have only one single point
of failure.
how much cpu and memory do you think we'll need to be on the *very
safe* side ?
thanks in advance,
j?rn
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From lists at scapa.dnsalias.net Mon Feb 2 11:13:40 2004
From: lists at scapa.dnsalias.net (lists at scapa.dnsalias.net)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 12:13:40 +0100
Subject: [icecast] how much horsepower will i need for streaming?
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Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> i'm putting together a streaming relay network for the linux audio
> developer's conference #2 (http://www.zkm.de/lad), and i was wondering
> how much cpu power will be required on the master server.
>
> we need to record 2 48k stereo signals simultaneously and encode them
> into three streams each:
>
> 2x 54kbit/s 22k05 mono
> 2x 112kbit/s 48k stereo
> 2x 192kbit/s 48k stereo
>
> it would be very nice if the same box could handle the streaming to
> between 5 and 8 relay servers, so that we have only one single point of
> failure.
>
> how much cpu and memory do you think we'll need to be on the *very safe*
> side ?
Icecast alone is very easy on the hardware, the source client is who's
doing the hard encoding work. You'd want to check if your source client
is capable of encoding those three streams easily in realtime (let it
have overhead, so your stream doesn't get in trouble when a cronjob
starts daily maintenance.)
On the server side, bandwidth is the limiting factor.
Also, relays get their streams from the master server, it's not the
master server that connects to the relays to send it to them.
Just make some live tests on the master server, and while it runs,
trigger any possible cronjobs and do other nasty things and see if the
streams stay up. When you do the real thing, disable those cronjobs,
don't do nasty stuff and you should be on the safe side. :)
<p>Moritz
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Mon Feb 2 12:42:25 2004
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 13:42:25 +0100
Subject: [icecast] how much horsepower will i need for streaming?
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lists at scapa.dnsalias.net wrote:
> Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
>
>> i'm putting together a streaming relay network for the linux audio
>> developer's conference #2 (http://www.zkm.de/lad), and i was wondering
>> how much cpu power will be required on the master server.
>>
>> we need to record 2 48k stereo signals simultaneously and encode them
>> into three streams each:
>>
>> 2x 54kbit/s 22k05 mono
>> 2x 112kbit/s 48k stereo
>> 2x 192kbit/s 48k stereo
>>
>> it would be very nice if the same box could handle the streaming to
>> between 5 and 8 relay servers, so that we have only one single point
>> of failure.
>>
>> how much cpu and memory do you think we'll need to be on the *very
>> safe* side ?
>
>
> Icecast alone is very easy on the hardware, the source client is who's
> doing the hard encoding work. You'd want to check if your source client
> is capable of encoding those three streams easily in realtime (let it
> have overhead, so your stream doesn't get in trouble when a cronjob
> starts daily maintenance.)
i should have mentioned that i will be using ices2. i can encode
three streams on a dual p3/600 at about 85% load, but i'd like to
have some data from other people as well...
> On the server side, bandwidth is the limiting factor.
the master will only be serving a limited number of relays. its
maximum network output will be 5-10 mbit/s.
> Also, relays get their streams from the master server, it's not the
> master server that connects to the relays to send it to them.
true, but the load on the master is the same, regardless of the
connection procedure.
> Just make some live tests on the master server, and while it runs,
> trigger any possible cronjobs and do other nasty things and see if the
> streams stay up. When you do the real thing, disable those cronjobs,
> don't do nasty stuff and you should be on the safe side. :)
it's a dedicated machine, there will be no cron running.
<p>
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Mon Feb 2 13:41:58 2004
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 14:41:58 +0100
Subject: [icecast] does icecast care what it streams?
Message-ID: <401E53A6.7010703@folkwang-hochschule.de>
...i.e. could it stream arbitrary stuff (such as video) if i don't
care about metadata?
--
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From karl at xiph.org Mon Feb 2 14:45:00 2004
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 02 Feb 2004 14:45:00 +0000
Subject: [icecast] does icecast care what it streams?
In-Reply-To: <401E53A6.7010703@folkwang-hochschule.de>
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On Mon, 2004-02-02 at 13:41, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> ...i.e. could it stream arbitrary stuff (such as video) if i don't
> care about metadata?
yes is does care, but it's possible to relax that, so that un-modified
streams could pass through. For streams like Ogg Vorbis some information
has to be cached (the headers) so that they can be sent to the listener
first, so they have to be handled specifically.
karl.
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From Bryan.Walls at nasa.gov Mon Feb 2 18:01:10 2004
From: Bryan.Walls at nasa.gov (Bryan Walls)
Date: Mon, 2 Feb 2004 12:01:10 -0600
Subject: [icecast] streaming twice?
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If I am encoding, say, a Windows Media or Real stream to the
appropriate server, and would like to stream just the audio as an MP3
stream, is there a way to pick up the audio stream from an encoder
card without contention over the device? Currently I'm seeing
WinAmps' linein fighting with the other encoders. Is there a plugin
that will work around that, or some other way of identifying the
source?
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From msmith at xiph.org Tue Feb 3 01:06:45 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:06:45 +1100
Subject: [icecast] does icecast care what it streams?
In-Reply-To: <401E53A6.7010703@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <200402031206.45016.msmith@xiph.org>
On Tuesday 03 February 2004 00:41, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> ...i.e. could it stream arbitrary stuff (such as video) if i don't
> care about metadata?
Most of icecast doesn't care. However, some bits do, so it's neccesary to have
some handling code in it for each datatype.
It would be _very_ easy to add support to icecast for streams of type
"application/octet-stream" - i.e. a stream that icecast should just feed
straight through without having any special handling for at all, then you
could use that for your purposes.
Mike
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From stefan at neufeind.net Tue Feb 3 01:16:22 2004
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 02:16:22 +0100
Subject: [icecast] does icecast care what it streams?
In-Reply-To: <200402031206.45016.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <401F0476.21903.194E20E@localhost>
On 3 Feb 2004 at 12:06, Michael Smith wrote:
> On Tuesday 03 February 2004 00:41, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> > ...i.e. could it stream arbitrary stuff (such as video) if i don't
> > care about metadata?
>
> Most of icecast doesn't care. However, some bits do, so it's neccesary
> to have some handling code in it for each datatype.
>
> It would be _very_ easy to add support to icecast for streams of type
> "application/octet-stream" - i.e. a stream that icecast should just
> feed straight through without having any special handling for at all,
> then you could use that for your purposes.
Would this e.g. allow for Nullsoft Video, mpeg4-video or similar to
be broadcasted? Or did maybe someone have a closer look on how to
implement streaming for such data types?
<p>Regards,
Stefan
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Tue Feb 3 03:09:02 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:09:02 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Transcoding ogg with curl, oggdec, ices2: problem after fallback due to oggdec
In-Reply-To: <E1AmVcu-0007ei-00@Yglar>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402031307490.1586-100000@data.home>
Hi:
Obviously oggdec doesn't support multiple logical streams. This is your
sticking point.
Doesn't ices2 have an option to accept ogg streams via stdin? This would
probably work better.
Geoff.
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Tue Feb 3 03:11:14 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:11:14 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Server drops client - problem with IceS?
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On Fri, 30 Jan 2004, J?rgen Elgaard Larsen wrote:
> in either reading from the (alsa) sound driver or in the Ogg encoding of
> the PCM input. Somewhere on the way it must be messing up the sample
> rate, I guess.
Does your playback match the sound that you are encoding? Perhaps share
your config file so we can help troubleshoot this.
Geoff.
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Tue Feb 3 03:16:05 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:16:05 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Some questions on setting up web radio and mirror streaming...
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Hi:
Regarding your mirroring (i.e. relaying) question, there's two ways you
could do this. The first would involve having a master icecast2 server,
which relays would pull from. This would mean that if the master goes
down, the lot would go, however. Alternatively, you could use ices2 to
send to each of the servers individually and avoid this problem. This is
perhaps a bit clunky, but if there is a real chance that any of your
servers could go down, then this would avoid this problem. Note that you
didn't say which OS you use so I don't know if you are able to use ices2
which is a unix program.
Geoff.
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Tue Feb 3 03:18:44 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:18:44 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] multiple bitrates
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Hi:
Having 3 different directories of files encoded at the 3 different rates
would definitely use less CPU, as ices wouldn't have to re-encode. But
there would also be no guarantee that the 3 streams would stay in sync with
each other, though they shouldn't drift much if they are the same content.
Geoff.
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From oddsock at oddsock.org Tue Feb 3 04:16:33 2004
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Mon, 02 Feb 2004 22:16:33 -0600
Subject: [icecast] does icecast care what it streams?
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At 07:16 PM 2/2/2004, you wrote:
>On 3 Feb 2004 at 12:06, Michael Smith wrote:
>
> > It would be _very_ easy to add support to icecast for streams of type
> > "application/octet-stream" - i.e. a stream that icecast should just
> > feed straight through without having any special handling for at all,
> > then you could use that for your purposes.
>
>Would this e.g. allow for Nullsoft Video, mpeg4-video or similar to
>be broadcasted? Or did maybe someone have a closer look on how to
>implement streaming for such data types?
it would be true to say that yes, you could stream NSV or other video types
with this manner (assuming that they don't need special stream processing,
NSV does not, something like Ogg-Theora probably would)...the main problem
is the issue of a source client. Currently, there is only one (that I know
of) source client that will encode and send NSV, and that is the one that
will only connect to shoutcast and uses shoutcast's proprietary method and
customization of HTTP for it's connection protocol. Icecast currently does
not (and probably will not) support this type of connection. Similarly,
the Windows Media Encoder (which can also be used to generate a video
stream) also uses a connection protocol that is not supported by Icecast
(they use a entirely different method which involves "pulling" the source
stream from the client rather than the client "pushing" the source stream
to the server.
o yes, we can support streaming of video with Icecast, and probably the
first step is to build a source client which can generate a video stream
using a codec that doesn't have any special handling properties and can be
modified to support the icecast connection protocol.
oddsock
<p>>Regards,
> Stefan
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From msmith at xiph.org Tue Feb 3 04:55:36 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 15:55:36 +1100
Subject: [icecast] does icecast care what it streams?
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On Tuesday 03 February 2004 15:16, oddsock wrote:
> it would be true to say that yes, you could stream NSV or other video types
> with this manner (assuming that they don't need special stream processing,
> NSV does not, something like Ogg-Theora probably would)...the main problem
> is the issue of a source client. Currently, there is only one (that I know
> of) source client that will encode and send NSV, and that is the one that
> will only connect to shoutcast and uses shoutcast's proprietary method and
> customization of HTTP for it's connection protocol. Icecast currently does
For the record: shoutcast's protocol is not a 'customization of HTTP'. It
superficially looks somewhat similar, but actually isn't. At all - which is
why icecast doesn't support it - it's a lot of pain for very little gain.
Mike
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From merkur at calypse.de Tue Feb 3 09:28:21 2004
From: merkur at calypse.de (merkur)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 10:28:21 +0100
Subject: Windows Media (was Re: [icecast] does icecast care what it streams?)
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> At 07:16 PM 2/2/2004, you wrote:
> [..] Similarly, the Windows Media
> Encoder (which can also be used to generate a video stream) also uses
> a connection protocol that is not supported by Icecast (they use a
> entirely different method which involves "pulling" the source stream
> from the client rather than the client "pushing" the source stream to
> the server.
As of WindowsMedia9, you can also have the Source Client "pushing"
the stream to the server, using the HTTP-POST-Method (at least it
looks like the source client is sending a POST-Request.. as I don't
have a WM-Server, I couldn't check out a true client<->server-
connection). Since it's Microsoft, I presume there is still some
propietary handling in the background. Would someone care to look
deeper into this? Are we even allowed to support WM9, according to
MS' licenese terms?
Oh, BTW: First post here (I guess.. been reading for almost a year
now, thanks for all the tips and a huge thank you for icecast2) :-)
merkur
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Tue Feb 3 09:29:46 2004
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 10:29:46 +0100
Subject: [icecast] does icecast care what it streams?
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Michael Smith wrote:
> On Tuesday 03 February 2004 15:16, oddsock wrote:
>
>>it would be true to say that yes, you could stream NSV or other video types
>>with this manner (assuming that they don't need special stream processing,
>>NSV does not, something like Ogg-Theora probably would)...the main problem
>>is the issue of a source client. Currently, there is only one (that I know
>>of) source client that will encode and send NSV, and that is the one that
>>will only connect to shoutcast and uses shoutcast's proprietary method and
>>customization of HTTP for it's connection protocol. Icecast currently does
>
>
> For the record: shoutcast's protocol is not a 'customization of HTTP'. It
> superficially looks somewhat similar, but actually isn't. At all - which is
> why icecast doesn't support it - it's a lot of pain for very little gain.
video streaming was one of the things i had in mind, together with
speex support (i had asked about that in another posting, but it
went unnoticed...)
will icecast eventually be able to stream all of ogg
{vorbis|theora|speex} ?
<p>excuse the off-topic request, but does anyone around here have
experience with video streaming under linux, preferably with
open-source tools? if you do, would you share it with me?
(since this is not really icecast-related, please consider to
contact me in private mail, i will summarize your messages to the
list to keep the noise down.)
<p>thanks to your helpful replies so far!
all the best,
j?rn
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr Tue Feb 3 11:05:32 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:05:32 +0100
Subject: [icecast] does icecast care what it streams?
In-Reply-To: <200402031555.36009.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <20040203110539.3B50D532B92@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
If you want to stream video through Icecast, you should consider the FLV
format. FLV is the new video format for Flash 2004. It means the final
client will be just the regular flash plug-in (installed on almost every
computer connected to the internet). Unfortunately, I am not sure there is a
live FLV encoder yet that could act as a source.
Cheers,
MAX
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Subject: Re: [icecast] does icecast care what it streams?
On Tuesday 03 February 2004 15:16, oddsock wrote:
> it would be true to say that yes, you could stream NSV or other video
types
> with this manner (assuming that they don't need special stream processing,
> NSV does not, something like Ogg-Theora probably would)...the main problem
> is the issue of a source client. Currently, there is only one (that I
know
> of) source client that will encode and send NSV, and that is the one that
> will only connect to shoutcast and uses shoutcast's proprietary method and
> customization of HTTP for it's connection protocol. Icecast currently
does
For the record: shoutcast's protocol is not a 'customization of HTTP'. It
superficially looks somewhat similar, but actually isn't. At all - which is
why icecast doesn't support it - it's a lot of pain for very little gain.
Mike
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From icecast at ovide.student.utwente.nl Tue Feb 3 11:17:22 2004
From: icecast at ovide.student.utwente.nl (Ivo Grondman)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 12:17:22 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Status.xsl not displaying everything
Message-ID: <20040203111648.12E2F10F04@ovide.student.utwente.nl>
Hi guys,
I've got the following set up:
- Linux SuSE 8.2
- Running: Icecast2
- Source Client: Ices0.3
- Stream Client: Winamp 5.0 in Windows XP
The following is happening:
- I've got Ices0.3 streaming MP3's with correct ID3-tags to the
Icecast-server
- Suppose the stream name is "Ovide's Radio"
- In the status.xsl page of Icecast2, I only see info about: mountpount,
stream type, no. listeners, current song playing and a link to the actual
stream.
- So Stream Name, Stream Genre, Stream Descritption and the Stream URL with
info about the stream is just not there!
So you could think: obviously Ices0.3 isn't sending this information... BUT!
Winamp5.0 displays the Stream Name ("Ovide's Radio") correctly in it's
screen. Apparently, it's sent by Ices0.3 and correctly forwarded by
Icecast2. So why isn't it on the status-page?
Furthermore: sometimes (but that could also be winamp) the title of a song
isn't updated in Winamp, although it IS updated in the admin/status-pages of
icecast2 itself...
My question to you guys: what seems to be the problem here? I already went
to #icecast on Freenode and tried there, but we only could discover that the
headers sent from Ices0.3 were correct... So our guess now is that it's
Icecast2...
<p>Greetz,
Ivo
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From oddsock at oddsock.org Tue Feb 3 14:18:14 2004
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 08:18:14 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Status.xsl not displaying everything
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when you compiled icecast, did you disable YP ? the fields that you
mention are really only used for YP listing, and so if you have explicitly
disabled YP support, then they will not be kept track of in the stats tree...
oddsock
At 05:17 AM 2/3/2004, you wrote:
>Hi guys,
>
>I've got the following set up:
>
>- Linux SuSE 8.2
>- Running: Icecast2
>- Source Client: Ices0.3
>- Stream Client: Winamp 5.0 in Windows XP
>
>The following is happening:
>
>- I've got Ices0.3 streaming MP3's with correct ID3-tags to the
>Icecast-server
>- Suppose the stream name is "Ovide's Radio"
>- In the status.xsl page of Icecast2, I only see info about: mountpount,
>stream type, no. listeners, current song playing and a link to the actual
>stream.
>- So Stream Name, Stream Genre, Stream Descritption and the Stream URL with
>info about the stream is just not there!
>
>So you could think: obviously Ices0.3 isn't sending this information... BUT!
>Winamp5.0 displays the Stream Name ("Ovide's Radio") correctly in it's
>screen. Apparently, it's sent by Ices0.3 and correctly forwarded by
>Icecast2. So why isn't it on the status-page?
>
>Furthermore: sometimes (but that could also be winamp) the title of a song
>isn't updated in Winamp, although it IS updated in the admin/status-pages of
>icecast2 itself...
>
>My question to you guys: what seems to be the problem here? I already went
>to #icecast on Freenode and tried there, but we only could discover that the
>headers sent from Ices0.3 were correct... So our guess now is that it's
>Icecast2...
>
>
>Greetz,
>
>Ivo
>
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From thomas at youngarts.org Tue Feb 3 15:05:40 2004
From: thomas at youngarts.org (Thomas Weber)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:05:40 +0100
Subject: [icecast] ices2 + stdin + metadata
Message-ID: <012701c3ea67$30ff13a0$0400a8c0@neuromancer>
Hi,
does anybody know some info about posting metadata to ices2 via stdin?
My system is based on a PHP-script wich sends PCM-data from the player
(mpg123 or ogg123) over a pipe to ices2. As i understand the documentation,
metadata is sent as normal clear text within the PCM-data when using stdin.
I tried the following format:
\n
artist=foo\n
title=bar\n
(\n is, of course, a normal unix-linebreak)
In this case, the metadata isn't updated.
When i write exactly this to a file wich is called as metadata by ices2, it
works. However, i don't like to use the file but would like to use stdin. ;)
Any ideas?
Thanks,
Thomas 'Neo' Weber
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From karl at xiph.org Tue Feb 3 15:35:58 2004
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 03 Feb 2004 15:35:58 +0000
Subject: [icecast] ices2 + stdin + metadata
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On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 15:05, Thomas Weber wrote:
> Hi,
>
> does anybody know some info about posting metadata to ices2 via stdin?
> My system is based on a PHP-script wich sends PCM-data from the player
> (mpg123 or ogg123) over a pipe to ices2. As i understand the documentation,
> metadata is sent as normal clear text within the PCM-data when using stdin.
no it's isn't, metadata is separate from the PCM.
> I tried the following format:
> \n
> artist=foo\n
> title=bar\n
> (\n is, of course, a normal unix-linebreak)
> In this case, the metadata isn't updated.
>
> When i write exactly this to a file wich is called as metadata by ices2, it
> works. However, i don't like to use the file but would like to use stdin. ;)
if you're pushing PCM via stdin then use the metadata file. Don't mix
them in the same stream.
karl.
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From njh at ecs.soton.ac.uk Tue Feb 3 16:23:38 2004
From: njh at ecs.soton.ac.uk (Nicholas Humfrey)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:23:38 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Status.xsl not displaying everything
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Part of the problem might be that several fields in the status.xsl file
are named wrong:
name -> server_name
description -> server_description
description -> server_description
url -> server_url
<p>I have fixed these bugs and made other improvements (such as displaying
if a stream is public or not):
http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~njh/libshout-doc/status-njh.xsl
Just copy it to your icecast2's web directory.
<p><p>I have also fixed status2.xsl and written an XSL to output as the
source XML:
http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~njh/libshout-doc/status-text.xsl
http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~njh/libshout-doc/status-xml.xsl
<p><p>To see my XSL changes in action:
http://kate.surge.soton.ac.uk:8080/status.xsl
<p>Cheers,
nick.
<p><p>On 3 Feb 2004, at 11:17, Ivo Grondman wrote:
> Hi guys,
>
> I've got the following set up:
>
> - Linux SuSE 8.2
> - Running: Icecast2
> - Source Client: Ices0.3
> - Stream Client: Winamp 5.0 in Windows XP
>
> The following is happening:
>
> - I've got Ices0.3 streaming MP3's with correct ID3-tags to the
> Icecast-server
> - Suppose the stream name is "Ovide's Radio"
> - In the status.xsl page of Icecast2, I only see info about:
> mountpount,
> stream type, no. listeners, current song playing and a link to the
> actual
> stream.
> - So Stream Name, Stream Genre, Stream Descritption and the Stream URL
> with
> info about the stream is just not there!
>
> So you could think: obviously Ices0.3 isn't sending this
> information... BUT!
> Winamp5.0 displays the Stream Name ("Ovide's Radio") correctly in it's
> screen. Apparently, it's sent by Ices0.3 and correctly forwarded by
> Icecast2. So why isn't it on the status-page?
>
> Furthermore: sometimes (but that could also be winamp) the title of a
> song
> isn't updated in Winamp, although it IS updated in the
> admin/status-pages of
> icecast2 itself...
>
> My question to you guys: what seems to be the problem here? I already
> went
> to #icecast on Freenode and tried there, but we only could discover
> that the
> headers sent from Ices0.3 were correct... So our guess now is that it's
> Icecast2...
>
>
> Greetz,
>
> Ivo
>
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From ekiczek at wcfia.harvard.edu Tue Feb 3 16:38:41 2004
From: ekiczek at wcfia.harvard.edu (Ethan Kiczek)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 11:38:41 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Windows source client problems
Message-ID: <401FCE91.5060704@wcfia.harvard.edu>
I'm having trouble with sourcing from a live mic from a Windows machine.
I've used oddsock and ezstream, and both stream MP3 files to my icecast2
server with no problem.
I've checked and re-checked that my Windows recording device is the
microphone input (Volume control
settings/Properties/Recording/Microphone is selected as the recording
device). Windows Sound Recorder records the mic input just fine.
Any ideas as to why this isn't working?
Thanks in advance,
Ethan
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From thomas at youngarts.org Tue Feb 3 16:56:05 2004
From: thomas at youngarts.org (Thomas Weber)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 17:56:05 +0100
Subject: [icecast] ices2 + pid-file (was: ices2 + stdin + metadata)
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Ok, so i have to know the PID of ices to send the update-signal. I've added
this to my ices.xml:
<pidfile>/home/www/bin/ices.pid</pidfile> (directly under the node <ices>)
I thought i've seen this somewhere in the manual.
However, when i start ices, no pid-file is created :-/ Is this the right
way?
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Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 4:35 PM
Subject: Re: [icecast] ices2 + stdin + metadata
<p>> On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 15:05, Thomas Weber wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > does anybody know some info about posting metadata to ices2 via stdin?
> > My system is based on a PHP-script wich sends PCM-data from the player
> > (mpg123 or ogg123) over a pipe to ices2. As i understand the
documentation,
> > metadata is sent as normal clear text within the PCM-data when using
stdin.
>
> no it's isn't, metadata is separate from the PCM.
>
> > I tried the following format:
> > \n
> > artist=foo\n
> > title=bar\n
> > (\n is, of course, a normal unix-linebreak)
> > In this case, the metadata isn't updated.
> >
> > When i write exactly this to a file wich is called as metadata by ices2,
it
> > works. However, i don't like to use the file but would like to use
stdin. ;)
>
> if you're pushing PCM via stdin then use the metadata file. Don't mix
> them in the same stream.
>
> karl.
>
>
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From karl at xiph.org Tue Feb 3 17:09:19 2004
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 03 Feb 2004 17:09:19 +0000
Subject: [icecast] ices2 + pid-file (was: ices2 + stdin + metadata)
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On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 16:56, Thomas Weber wrote:
> Ok, so i have to know the PID of ices to send the update-signal. I've added
> this to my ices.xml:
> <pidfile>/home/www/bin/ices.pid</pidfile> (directly under the node <ices>)
> I thought i've seen this somewhere in the manual.
> However, when i start ices, no pid-file is created :-/ Is this the right
> way?
If you have added it to where the other general settings are, like logpath etc
then yes. It may of failed to open the pid file though, I'll add a message for
that case.
karl.
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From icecast at ovide.student.utwente.nl Tue Feb 3 18:07:32 2004
From: icecast at ovide.student.utwente.nl (Ivo Grondman)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:07:32 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Status.xsl not displaying everything
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> when you compiled icecast, did you disable YP ? the fields
> that you mention are really only used for YP listing, and so
> if you have explicitly disabled YP support, then they will
> not be kept track of in the stats tree...
Nope, I just compiled it with the standard ./configure;make;make install.
And - correct me if I'm wrong - YP is enabled by default... What else could
be the problem?
Greetz,
Ivo
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From dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de Tue Feb 3 18:14:16 2004
From: dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de (Thomas B. Ruecker, DM8TBR)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:14:16 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Status.xsl not displaying everything
In-Reply-To: <20040203111648.12E2F10F04@ovide.student.utwente.nl>
Message-ID: <005301c3ea81$8b044720$c800a8c0@puck>
Hi Ivo,
> The following is happening:
>
> - So Stream Name, Stream Genre, Stream Descritption and the Stream URL
> with
> info about the stream is just not there!
I don't know the dev-status right now, but I'd say this is not a bug it's a feature. ;) explanation follows later on.
> My question to you guys: what seems to be the problem here? I already went
> to #icecast on Freenode and tried there, but we only could discover that
> the
> headers sent from Ices0.3 were correct... So our guess now is that it's
> Icecast2...
I bet everything is ok.
To verify everything is ok with your metadata go to
http://$youricecastserverip:$yourport/admin/stats.xsl
or if you like plain XML
http://$youricecastserverip:$yourport/admin/stats.xml
As you will probably see your metadata is 100% complete.
So why doesn???t status.xsl show it? Well IIRC at the time this xslt was written this was the only available metadata through the status.xml file.
As a coincidence on the icecast-dev mailing list there is a discussion underway about all xslt's provided by the server. If you want to have this metadata instantly on your server read my last post to the list through the xiph.org mailing list archive. There you'll find some basic advice how to edit your status.xsl .
If you have any problems with that report them to this list or if they are very specific to your server PM me.
regards
Thomas
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From icecast at ovide.student.utwente.nl Tue Feb 3 18:27:02 2004
From: icecast at ovide.student.utwente.nl (Ivo Grondman)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 19:27:02 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Status.xsl not displaying everything
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> To verify everything is ok with your metadata go to
> http://$youricecastserverip:$yourport/admin/stats.xsl
> or if you like plain XML
> http://$youricecastserverip:$yourport/admin/stats.xml
Stream name, genre, description and url are NOT present here also! I've got
the feeling that we're isolating the problem here, so that's fine... but: if
the stream name doesn't show up in the stats/status, why DOES it show up in
the streaming client?
Greetz,
Ivo
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From giles at xiph.org Tue Feb 3 21:21:14 2004
From: giles at xiph.org (Ralph Giles)
Date: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 13:21:14 -0800
Subject: [icecast] does icecast care what it streams?
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Message-ID: <20040203212114.GB13112@ghostscript.com>
On Tue, Feb 03, 2004 at 10:29:46AM +0100, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> will icecast eventually be able to stream all of ogg
> {vorbis|theora|speex} ?
I'd certainly like it to, and plan to implement this if no one beats me to it.
BTW, theora streams are I think a use case for tcp streaming of speex over ogg. The bandwidth
savings for conference presentations and the like will be worthwhile, and theora itself really
wants a reliable transport at low datarates.
I also think being able to archive talks by just saving the http stream is as valuable with speex
as with vorbis.
-r
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From kevinw at houston.rr.com Wed Feb 4 05:55:03 2004
From: kevinw at houston.rr.com (Kevin White)
Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 23:55:03 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Problem starting LIVEICE; icecast log included here
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040203235056.00b36728@pop-server.houston.rr.com>
I keep getting the following in the log file
[2004-02-03 23:41:36] INFO main/main icecast server started
[2004-02-03 23:41:45] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
logging in at mountpoint "/"
[2004-02-03 23:41:45] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source (/)
attempted to login with invalid or missing password
[2004-02-03 23:45:24] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
logging in at mountpoint "/"
[2004-02-03 23:45:24] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source (/)
attempted to login with invalid or missing password
Problem is LIVEICE is set with a password so I am at a loss as to what to
do... Any advise would be appreciated...
Regards
Kevin
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From oddsock at oddsock.org Wed Feb 4 06:27:53 2004
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 00:27:53 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Problem starting LIVEICE; icecast log included here
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At 11:55 PM 2/3/2004, you wrote:
>I keep getting the following in the log file
>[2004-02-03 23:41:36] INFO main/main icecast server started
>[2004-02-03 23:41:45] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
>logging in at mountpoint "/"
>[2004-02-03 23:41:45] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source (/)
>attempted to login with invalid or missing password
>[2004-02-03 23:45:24] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
>logging in at mountpoint "/"
>[2004-02-03 23:45:24] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source (/)
>attempted to login with invalid or missing password
>
>Problem is LIVEICE is set with a password so I am at a loss as to what to
>do... Any advise would be appreciated...
are you sure that liveice supports icecast 2.x ?
oddsock
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From maillistparticipant at elgaard.net Wed Feb 4 11:28:20 2004
From: maillistparticipant at elgaard.net (Jørgen Elgaard Larsen)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 12:28:20 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Server drops client - problem with IceS?
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Message-ID: <4020D754.6050106@elgaard.net>
Geoff Shang wrote:
> Does your playback match the sound that you are encoding? Perhaps share
> your config file so we can help troubleshoot this.
I would think so, but I might have missed something.
<p>Here is my IceS2-config - with this one, the problem manifests after 2
minutes of playing, and the client is disconnected after 3 minutes.
I have tried tweaking bitrate, quality, samplerates etc. While it does
have _some_ effect on how long the client stays connected, it is not much.
<p><?xml version="1.0"?>
<ices>
<background>1</background> <!-- run in background? -->
<logpath>/var/log/icecast</logpath> <!-- where logs, etc go. -->
<logfile>ices.log</logfile>
<loglevel>4</loglevel> <!-- 1=error,2=warn,3=info,4=debug -->
<consolelog>0</consolelog>
<!-- set this to 1 to log to console of file above -->
<pidfile>/var/run/ices.pid</pidfile>
<stream>
<!-- metadata used for stream listing (not currently used) -->
<metadata>
<name>Test of Icecast</name>
<genre>Test</genre>
<description>Testing 1,2,3</description>
</metadata>
<input>
<module>alsa</module>
<param name="rate">44100</param>
<param name="channels">2</param> <!-- number of channels -->
<param name="device">hw:0,0</param> <!-- audio device -->
<param name="metadata">1</param>
<param name="metadatafilename">/etc/icecast/meta</param>
</input>
<instance>
<hostname>localhost</hostname>
<port>9090</port>
<password>xxxx</password>
<mount>/test4.ogg</mount>
<reconnectdelay>1</reconnectdelay>
<reconnectattempts>50</reconnectattempts>
<maxqueuelength>180</maxqueuelength>
<encode>
<managed>0</managed>
<nominal-bitrate>128000</nominal-bitrate>
<!-- bps. e.g. 64000 for 64 kbps -->
<!-- bps. e.g. 32000 optimal for lesser cards -->
<samplerate>44100</samplerate>
<!-- 220500 optimal for older cards -->
<channels>2</channels>
<quality>3</quality>
</encode>
</instance>
</stream>
</ices>
<p>Sincerely,
<p>J?rgen Elgaard Larsen
IT Manager
University Radio of Copenhagen
Denmark
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From iceuse at kezako.net Wed Feb 4 11:47:30 2004
From: iceuse at kezako.net (iceuse at kezako.net)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 12:47:30 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast dump file daily rotation
Message-ID: <E1AoLVC-0006WK-00@Yglar>
Is it possible to rotate daily icecast source dump files ?
If I change the configuration file, then send a signal (which?) to icecast to
reload config, it will close current dump files and open new ones?
Thanks,
Chris
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From clemens.steinkogler at wuk.at Wed Feb 4 13:54:19 2004
From: clemens.steinkogler at wuk.at (Clemens Steinkogler)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 14:54:19 +0100
Subject: [icecast] ices0 (version 0.3) - libmp3lame.so problems
Message-ID: <GLELLIPBPNOEMBLHMLPHGEHCFPAA.clemens.steinkogler@wuk.at>
Hello everybody,
I need some help please. I want to compile the ices-0.3 and ./configure
works perfectly. But if i want to do "make" there appear these
error-messages:
[...]
gcc: /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so: No such file or directory
make[3]: *** [ices] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory '/usr/ices-0.3/src'
[...]
if i search now for the libmp3lame.so file, i find it in /usr/lib/
so what is wrong here?
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From carsten at xiph.org Wed Feb 4 14:10:56 2004
From: carsten at xiph.org (Carsten Haese)
Date: 04 Feb 2004 09:10:56 -0500
Subject: [icecast] ices0 (version 0.3) - libmp3lame.so problems
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On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 08:54, Clemens Steinkogler wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> I need some help please. I want to compile the ices-0.3 and ./configure
> works perfectly. But if i want to do "make" there appear these
> error-messages:
>
> [...]
> gcc: /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so: No such file or directory
> make[3]: *** [ices] Error 1
> make[3]: Leaving directory '/usr/ices-0.3/src'
> [...]
>
> if i search now for the libmp3lame.so file, i find it in /usr/lib/
> so what is wrong here?
This is just a wild guess, but is it possible that
/usr/lib/libmp3lame.so is a broken symbolic link? What does the command
'file /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so' tell you?
-Carsten
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From clemens.steinkogler at wuk.at Wed Feb 4 14:24:34 2004
From: clemens.steinkogler at wuk.at (Clemens Steinkogler)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 15:24:34 +0100
Subject: AW: [icecast] ices0 (version 0.3) - libmp3lame.so problems
In-Reply-To: <1075903857.22924.85.camel@dot.uniqsys.com>
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wow, you are right!
it tells me:
/usr/lib/libmp3lame.so: broken symbolic link to 'libmp3lame.so.0.0.0'
how can i repair this? install lame again?
-Clem
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Betreff: Re: [icecast] ices0 (version 0.3) - libmp3lame.so problems
<p>On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 08:54, Clemens Steinkogler wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> I need some help please. I want to compile the ices-0.3 and ./configure
> works perfectly. But if i want to do "make" there appear these
> error-messages:
>
> [...]
> gcc: /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so: No such file or directory
> make[3]: *** [ices] Error 1
> make[3]: Leaving directory '/usr/ices-0.3/src'
> [...]
>
> if i search now for the libmp3lame.so file, i find it in /usr/lib/
> so what is wrong here?
This is just a wild guess, but is it possible that
/usr/lib/libmp3lame.so is a broken symbolic link? What does the command
'file /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so' tell you?
-Carsten
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Wed Feb 4 14:37:11 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:37:11 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Server drops client - problem with IceS?
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402050034380.1586-100000@data.home>
On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, J?rgen Elgaard Larsen wrote:
> <managed>0</managed>
> <nominal-bitrate>128000</nominal-bitrate>
> <!-- bps. e.g. 64000 for 64 kbps -->
> <!-- bps. e.g. 32000 optimal for lesser cards -->
> <samplerate>44100</samplerate>
> <!-- 220500 optimal for older cards -->
> <channels>2</channels>
> <quality>3</quality>
hmmm. Wonder if specifying both nominal and quality is causing an issue
somewhere?
Geoff.
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From carsten at xiph.org Wed Feb 4 14:41:42 2004
From: carsten at xiph.org (Carsten Haese)
Date: 04 Feb 2004 09:41:42 -0500
Subject: AW: [icecast] ices0 (version 0.3) - libmp3lame.so problems
In-Reply-To: <GLELLIPBPNOEMBLHMLPHAEHDFPAA.clemens.steinkogler@wuk.at>
Message-ID: <1075905702.22899.97.camel@dot.uniqsys.com>
On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 09:24, Clemens Steinkogler wrote:
> wow, you are right!
> it tells me:
> /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so: broken symbolic link to 'libmp3lame.so.0.0.0'
>
> how can i repair this? install lame again?
That would probably do the trick.
-Carsten
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Wed Feb 4 14:38:10 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:38:10 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Windows source client problems
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Hi:
So what are you using to try and stream your mic to the server? If it's
oddcast, are you using advanced controls or, alternatively, a line
recording plugin?
Geoff.
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From ekiczek at wcfia.harvard.edu Wed Feb 4 15:01:10 2004
From: ekiczek at wcfia.harvard.edu (Ethan Kiczek)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 10:01:10 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Windows source client problems
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I've tried both oddcast and ezstream. I've tried Advanced Controls with
a Mic Boost for extra gain, and I've also tried hooking up my walkman to
the line in, neither of which seem to work. Again, streaming an MP3
works just fine.
Ethan
Geoff Shang wrote:
>Hi:
>
>So what are you using to try and stream your mic to the server? If it's
>oddcast, are you using advanced controls or, alternatively, a line
>recording plugin?
>
>Geoff.
>
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From ekiczek at wcfia.harvard.edu Wed Feb 4 15:10:48 2004
From: ekiczek at wcfia.harvard.edu (Ethan Kiczek)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 10:10:48 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 Win32: any way to minimize on start or run as a service?
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Is there any way to run Icecast2 Win32 at Windows startup and at least
one of the following: minimized, in the system tray, or as an NT/2000
service? I looked through the docs but couldn't find anything.
Thanks,
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From icecast at ovide.student.utwente.nl Wed Feb 4 15:18:11 2004
From: icecast at ovide.student.utwente.nl (Ivo Grondman)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:18:11 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Status.xsl not displaying everything
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Short recap:
* Ices0.3 as source client for IceCast2
* Stream name, genre, description and URL are NOT present in
/admin/stats.xml!
* Compiling/configuring with YP-support didn't help...
* Stream name IS visible in streaming client -> Ices sends it correctly,
IceCast forwards it correctly.
I would really like to know if there's an answer to this...
Greetz,
Ivo
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From brendan at xiph.org Wed Feb 4 15:32:21 2004
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:32:21 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Status.xsl not displaying everything
In-Reply-To: <20040204151702.BFB162B656@ovide.student.utwente.nl>
Message-ID: <20040204153220.GA11001@www.globalpopconspiracy.com>
Sadly I have no time to help trace this, so consider this a
motivational message. Using the same setup, my stream name, genre and
description all appear in /admin/stats.xsl. And they all get forwarded
to the YP server (dir.xiph.org) correctly as well. So it is
possible, but since I did nothing special to get it working I can't
offer any advice. Good luck.
On Wednesday, 04 February 2004 at 16:18, Ivo Grondman wrote:
> Short recap:
>
> * Ices0.3 as source client for IceCast2
> * Stream name, genre, description and URL are NOT present in
> /admin/stats.xml!
> * Compiling/configuring with YP-support didn't help...
> * Stream name IS visible in streaming client -> Ices sends it correctly,
> IceCast forwards it correctly.
>
> I would really like to know if there's an answer to this...
>
> Greetz,
>
> Ivo
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From oddsock at oddsock.org Wed Feb 4 15:43:25 2004
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 09:43:25 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 Win32: any way to minimize on start or run as a service?
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At 09:10 AM 2/4/2004, you wrote:
>Is there any way to run Icecast2 Win32 at Windows startup and at least one
>of the following: minimized, in the system tray, or as an NT/2000 service?
>I looked through the docs but couldn't find anything.
there is a checkbox on the main dialog that will automatically start the
server when the main executable is started (i.e. you don't have to click
the "Start Server" button)..so if you check that and put a shortcut in your
startup folder it will start. The only problem is that it won't start
minimized...
oddsock
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From thomas at youngarts.org Wed Feb 4 15:57:37 2004
From: thomas at youngarts.org (Thomas Weber)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 16:57:37 +0100
Subject: [icecast] ices2 + pid-file (was: ices2 + stdin + metadata)
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Okay, tested it again: <pidfile> is definetly where the other general
settings are, but no pid-file is created, no message in log about that.
System:
FreeBSD 5.2-RELEASE
IceS 2.0-Beta2
I tried to install Beta4, but at make i get only this:
Making all in avl
source='im_oss.c' object='im_oss.o' libtool=no depfile='.deps/im_oss.Po'
tmpdepfile='.deps/im_oss.TPo' depmode=gcc3 /usr/local/bin/bash ..
/depcomp
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -ffast-math -fsigned-char -I/usr/local/inc
lude -D_THREAD_SAFE -I/usr/local/include/libxml2 -I/
usr/local/include -g -O2 -c `test -f 'im_oss.c' || echo './'`im_oss.c
In file included from im_oss.c:24:
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:208: error: syntax error before "u_long"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:221: error: syntax error before "u_char"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:262: error: syntax error before "u_long"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:302: error: syntax error before "u_char"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:346: error: syntax error before "u_long"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:384: error: syntax error before "u_int"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:394: error: syntax error before "u_char"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:412: error: syntax error before "u_int"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:425: error: syntax error before "u_char"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:455: error: syntax error before "u_long"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:494: error: syntax error before "u_char"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:671: error: syntax error before
"sbi_instr_data"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:674: error: syntax error before "u_short"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:679: error: syntax error before
"sbi_instr_data"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:704: error: syntax error before "u_long"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:721: error: syntax error before "u_long"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:730: error: syntax error before "u_char"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:732: error: syntax error before "u_char"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:861: error: syntax error before "u_char"
/usr/include/sys/soundcard.h:874: error: syntax error before "u_char"
*** Error code 1
tom
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Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:09 PM
Subject: Re: [icecast] ices2 + pid-file (was: ices2 + stdin + metadata)
<p>> On Tue, 2004-02-03 at 16:56, Thomas Weber wrote:
> > Ok, so i have to know the PID of ices to send the update-signal. I've
added
> > this to my ices.xml:
> > <pidfile>/home/www/bin/ices.pid</pidfile> (directly under the node
<ices>)
> > I thought i've seen this somewhere in the manual.
> > However, when i start ices, no pid-file is created :-/ Is this the right
> > way?
>
> If you have added it to where the other general settings are, like logpath
etc
> then yes. It may of failed to open the pid file though, I'll add a message
for
> that case.
>
> karl.
>
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From clemens.steinkogler at wuk.at Wed Feb 4 16:45:32 2004
From: clemens.steinkogler at wuk.at (Clemens Steinkogler)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 17:45:32 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Problems with Ices & mp3
Message-ID: <200402041741.18705.clemens.steinkogler@wuk.at>
my icecast server runs and ices also seems to work. but if i want to connect
via winamp to my server i cann't hear anything. the connection seems ok
because there stands [HTTP/1.0 200 OK] if i connect to my server http://
bladomain.bla:8000/ices and in my access.log there also stands the
connection. does somebody know this problem?
here is my ices.xml
<p><ices:Configuration xmlns:ices="http://www.icecast.org/projects/ices">
<Playlist>
<File>/usr/mp3/playlist.txt</File>
<Randomize>0</Randomize>
<Type>builtin</Type>
<Module>ices</Module>
</Playlist>
<Execution>
<Background>0</Background>
<Verbose>1</Verbose>
<BaseDirectory>/usr/local/etc/ices</BaseDirectory>
</Execution>
<Stream>
<Server>
<Hostname>localhost</Hostname>
<Port>8000</Port>
<Password>testme</Password>
<Protocol>http</Protocol>
</Server>
<Mountpoint>/ices</Mountpoint>
<Name>Piratentester</Name>
<Genre>Piratensendermusik</Genre>
<Description>Piratentester sendet Teststreams</Description>
<URL><a href="http://localhost/</URL">http://localhost/</URL</a>>
<Public>0</Public>
<Bitrate>128</Bitrate>
<Reencode>0</Reencode>
<Channels>2</Channels>
</Stream>
</ices:Configuration>
<p>-Clem
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From dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de Wed Feb 4 17:11:36 2004
From: dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de (Thomas B. Ruecker, DM8TBR)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 18:11:36 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 Win32: any way to minimize on start orrun as a service?
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> startup folder it will start. The only problem is that it won't start
> minimized...
IIRC you can set the properties of this shortcut to "start minimized". Or does your executable override this?
regards
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From ekiczek at wcfia.harvard.edu Wed Feb 4 17:32:50 2004
From: ekiczek at wcfia.harvard.edu (Ethan Kiczek)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 12:32:50 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 Win32: any way to minimize on start orrun as a service?
In-Reply-To: <00d501c3eb41$f333dd90$c800a8c0@puck>
Message-ID: <40212CC2.1020607@wcfia.harvard.edu>
That works great. It would be nice, however, to have it run as a service
(like IIS or Apache), since in order for this to run, you have to log in.
Thanks for your help,
Ethan
Thomas B. Ruecker, DM8TBR wrote:
>>startup folder it will start. The only problem is that it won't start
>>minimized...
>>
>>
>IIRC you can set the properties of this shortcut to "start minimized". Or does your executable override this?
>
>regards
>
>Thomas
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From giles at xiph.org Wed Feb 4 18:09:21 2004
From: giles at xiph.org (Ralph Giles)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:09:21 -0800
Subject: [icecast] Transcoding ogg with curl, oggdec, ices2: problem after fallback due to oggdec
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On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 07:20:40PM +0100, root wrote:
> I have more info about that problem...
> curl | oggdec | ices will never work to my opinion with fallback setup on source
> because when transfering listeners to fallback, no ogg headers are sent, so
> whatever we do, oggdec will not be happy with the data received...
I took a look at this. It is true that oggdec does not support chained ogg vorbis steams, so it's
basically not going to work with streamed situations in general. Now, if you comment out the check
for the chain boundary on line 246, it will work in this applications AS LONG AS THE AUDIO
PARAMETERS DON'T CHANGE. The issue is not that "no ogg headers are sent" it's that if the new set
of vorbis headers for the fallback stream specify a change in audio parameters (since oggdec does
samplerate conversion, this just means number of channels) there's no way to pass that information
on with the pcm stream to ices.
So basically you want to be rebroadcasting the ogg stream, not re-encoding it.
-r
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From giles at xiph.org Wed Feb 4 18:12:48 2004
From: giles at xiph.org (Ralph Giles)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 10:12:48 -0800
Subject: [icecast] Transcoding ogg with curl, oggdec, ices2: problem after fallback due to oggdec
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On Wed, Feb 04, 2004 at 10:09:21AM -0800, Ralph Giles wrote:
> (since oggdec does samplerate conversion [...])
Err, no it doesn't. Nevermind.
-r
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From ross at stationplaylist.com Wed Feb 4 21:59:49 2004
From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 10:59:49 +1300
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 Win32: any way to minimize on start or run as a service?
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Message-ID: <007a01c3eb6a$360c43a0$a200a8c0@levis3>
I believe there is some way of forcing a Win32 app to run as a service as long as it doesn't require any input, but I can't find the details at the moment. I can see it being a very useful option for the Icecast2 Win32 program. It could be then used on a Windows server which are often not logged in for security reasons. Maybe something for you to investigate sometime oddsock. A service often generates a system tray icon at startup and only displays the main form when the icon is double-clicked.
Regards,
Ross Levis.
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Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 Win32: any way to minimize on start or run as a service?
<p> Is there any way to run Icecast2 Win32 at Windows startup and at least one of the following: minimized, in the system tray, or as an NT/2000 service? I looked through the docs but couldn't find anything.
Thanks,
Ethan
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From rhygin at ragga-jungle.com Wed Feb 4 22:17:06 2004
From: rhygin at ragga-jungle.com (Rhygin)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:17:06 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 Win32: any way to minimize on start or run as a service?
In-Reply-To: <007a01c3eb6a$360c43a0$a200a8c0@levis3>
Message-ID: <1075933026.6591.99.camel@localhost>
Why not try http://www.firedaemon.com ?
Since I haven't used a Win32 based server is years I haven't used it in
a long time but it used to do the trick quite nicely...
<p>-Evan
On Thu, 2004-02-05 at 05:59, Ross Levis wrote:
> I believe there is some way of forcing a Win32 app to run as a service
> as long as it doesn't require any input, but I can't find the details
> at the moment. I can see it being a very useful option for the
> Icecast2 Win32 program. It could be then used on a Windows server
> which are often not logged in for security reasons. Maybe something
> for you to investigate sometime oddsock. A service often generates a
> system tray icon at startup and only displays the main form when the
> icon is double-clicked.
>
> Regards,
> Ross Levis.
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> Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2004 4:10 AM
> Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 Win32: any way to minimize on
> start or run as a service?
>
> Is there any way to run Icecast2 Win32 at Windows startup and
> at least one of the following: minimized, in the system tray,
> or as an NT/2000 service? I looked through the docs but
> couldn't find anything.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ethan
>
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From rhygin at ragga-jungle.com Wed Feb 4 22:22:57 2004
From: rhygin at ragga-jungle.com (Rhygin)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 17:22:57 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Re-reading config file not working?
Message-ID: <1075933377.32297.106.camel@localhost>
I sent this before but I figured I'd send it again since my current
method is rather kludgey...
Whenever I try to send a HUP to icecast it always fails when re-reading
the config file:
EROR event/event_config_read Error parsing config, not replacing existing config
However I know the config is good because the server starts up without
any issues (right now I've had to resort to just sending a TERM then
starting it right back up).
Anyone else having this problem? Is it something that is being
addressed?
Thanks,
-Evan
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From lists at scapa.dnsalias.net Wed Feb 4 21:31:45 2004
From: lists at scapa.dnsalias.net (lists at scapa.dnsalias.net)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 22:31:45 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Re-reading config file not working?
In-Reply-To: <1075933377.32297.106.camel@localhost>
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Rhygin wrote:
> I sent this before but I figured I'd send it again since my current
> method is rather kludgey...
>
> Whenever I try to send a HUP to icecast it always fails when re-reading
> the config file:
> EROR event/event_config_read Error parsing config, not replacing existing config
>
> However I know the config is good because the server starts up without
> any issues (right now I've had to resort to just sending a TERM then
> starting it right back up).
>
> Anyone else having this problem? Is it something that is being
> addressed?
This is just a wild guess ... but do you chroot() icecast?
If yes, and your configuration is "somewhere else", it works at first
because icecast chroots after reading its config. Once it is running, it
might not find the .xml file anymore due to the chroot.
If the problem goes away when you turn of <chroot>, that's probably the
cause.
<p>Moritz
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From karl at xiph.org Wed Feb 4 22:38:12 2004
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 04 Feb 2004 22:38:12 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Re-reading config file not working?
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On Wed, 2004-02-04 at 22:22, Rhygin wrote:
> I sent this before but I figured I'd send it again since my current
> method is rather kludgey...
>
> Whenever I try to send a HUP to icecast it always fails when re-reading
> the config file:
> EROR event/event_config_read Error parsing config, not replacing existing config
>
> However I know the config is good because the server starts up without
> any issues (right now I've had to resort to just sending a TERM then
> starting it right back up).
>
> Anyone else having this problem? Is it something that is being
> addressed?
What EROR message follows this ? are you using chroot ?
karl.
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From groups at mediacast1.com Wed Feb 4 22:13:13 2004
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Wed, 4 Feb 2004 15:13:13 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 Win32: any way to minimize on start or run asa service?
In-Reply-To: <007a01c3eb6a$360c43a0$a200a8c0@levis3>
Message-ID: <024e01c3eb71$96c52480$6601a8c0@copperhead>
nullsfot installer can install console apps for windows services
and i belive the latest icecast2 win32 comes with a icecast2 console.
<p>Dave St John
Mediacast1 Administrator
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Subject: Re: [icecast] Icecast2 Win32: any way to minimize on start or run asa service?
<p> I believe there is some way of forcing a Win32 app to run as a service as long as it doesn't require any input, but I can't find the details at the moment. I can see it being a very useful option for the Icecast2 Win32 program. It could be then used on a Windows server which are often not logged in for security reasons. Maybe something for you to investigate sometime oddsock. A service often generates a system tray icon at startup and only displays the main form when the icon is double-clicked.
Regards,
Ross Levis.
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Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 Win32: any way to minimize on start or run as a service?
<p> Is there any way to run Icecast2 Win32 at Windows startup and at least one of the following: minimized, in the system tray, or as an NT/2000 service? I looked through the docs but couldn't find anything.
Thanks,
Ethan
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From Mitja.Pirih at radiocapris.com Wed Feb 4 23:03:24 2004
From: Mitja.Pirih at radiocapris.com (Mitja Pirih)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 00:03:24 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Ices2.0-Beta4 error
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Hello,
I'm having problems running ices on OpenBSD 3.4 with input module sun. In the docs it is written that it should run also on OBSD, but it has also been tested?
I'm getting this error:
[2004-02-04 22:25:57] INFO ices-core/main IceS 2.0-Beta4 started...
[2004-02-04 22:25:57] EROR input-sun/sun_open_module Failed to open audio device /dev/audio: Operation not supported
[2004-02-04 22:25:57] EROR input/input_loop Couldn't initialise input module "sun"
[2004-02-04 22:25:57] INFO ices-core/main Shutdown complete
Has anyone successfully run this on OpenBSD?
Thanks for help,
Mitja
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From ekiczek at wcfia.harvard.edu Wed Feb 4 23:12:03 2004
From: ekiczek at wcfia.harvard.edu (Ethan Kiczek)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:12:03 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 Win32: any way to minimize on start or run as a service?
In-Reply-To: <024e01c3eb71$96c52480$6601a8c0@copperhead>
Message-ID: <40217C43.3030805@wcfia.harvard.edu>
I saw the icecast2console, but when I tried to invoke it with the
background (-b) option, it seemed to not truly run in the background. In
other words, the DOS box just hung.
Ethan
Dave St John wrote:
> nullsfot installer can install console apps for windows services
> and i belive the latest icecast2 win32 comes with a icecast2 console.
>
>
> Dave St John
> Mediacast1 Administrator
<p>
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From maillistparticipant at elgaard.net Thu Feb 5 00:17:19 2004
From: maillistparticipant at elgaard.net (Jørgen Elgaard Larsen)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 01:17:19 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Server drops client - problem with IceS?
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402050034380.1586-100000@data.home>
Message-ID: <40218B8F.7010201@elgaard.net>
Geoff Shang wrote:
> hmmm. Wonder if specifying both nominal and quality is causing an issue
> somewhere?
I don't think so. Using just one of them does not make the error go away.
<p>I have, however, found the error (after some debugging):
In the alsa imput module (placed in the source file im_alsa.c), the
sample rate on the alsa device is set using the
snd_pcm_hw_params_set_rate_near() call.
Reading the ALSA API it was suddenly clear to me, that this means that
if the sound card does not like the sample rate, you ask for, alsa will
just pick the nearest samplerate.
In my case, I asked for 44100, but the alsa driver was really
initialised to 48000. No wonder there was too many samples when the
encoder still thinks that it should use 44100 :-S
I have made a patch to im_alsa.c so that you at least will be warned
that it selects another sample rate than you ordered. I will post it to
the developer list.
<p>Had it not been for open source, I would never have found this one!
<p><p>Sincerely,
<p>J?rgen Elgaard Larsen
IT Manager
University Radio of Copenhagen
Denmark
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From msmith at xiph.org Thu Feb 5 00:39:30 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:39:30 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Transcoding ogg with curl, oggdec, ices2: problem after fallback due to oggdec
In-Reply-To: <20040204180921.GA4149@ghostscript.com>
Message-ID: <200402051139.31048.msmith@xiph.org>
On Thursday 05 February 2004 05:09, Ralph Giles wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 01, 2004 at 07:20:40PM +0100, root wrote:
> > I have more info about that problem...
> > curl | oggdec | ices will never work to my opinion with fallback setup on
> > source because when transfering listeners to fallback, no ogg headers are
> > sent, so whatever we do, oggdec will not be happy with the data
> > received...
>
> I took a look at this. It is true that oggdec does not support chained ogg
> vorbis steams, so it's basically not going to work with streamed situations
> in general. Now, if you comment out the check for the chain boundary on
> line 246, it will work in this applications AS LONG AS THE AUDIO PARAMETERS
> DON'T CHANGE. The issue is not that "no ogg headers are sent" it's that if
> the new set of vorbis headers for the fallback stream specify a change in
> audio parameters (since oggdec does samplerate conversion, this just means
> number of channels) there's no way to pass that information on with the pcm
> stream to ices.
It wouldn't be particularly difficult to make oggdec work for chained streams
in the simple cases (i.e. where the main audio parameters don't change). I
could do that if people are actually going to find it useful...
Mike
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From oddsock at oddsock.org Thu Feb 5 00:41:54 2004
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 18:41:54 -0600
Subject: [icecast] New XSLT Admin Interface
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040204182832.03834d40@www.oddsock.org>
I've taken another whack at a (hopefully) better looking web-based admin
interface for icecast. The look and feel is similar to the new icecast
website we put together, so maybe there will be a bit of continuity.. :)
You can check out screenshots of the new look and feel here ->
http://www.xiph.org/~oddsock/screenshots/
and also pick up the new XSLT files from there too if you don't want to
update to CVS, you can just drop these in without any server updates if you
want to try it out..
oddsock
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From maillistparticipant at elgaard.net Thu Feb 5 01:55:08 2004
From: maillistparticipant at elgaard.net (Jørgen Elgaard Larsen)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 02:55:08 +0100
Subject: [icecast] *Real* real time streaming (no delay/latency)?
Message-ID: <4021A27C.4040500@elgaard.net>
Hello
Does anyone have experience with _real_ real time streaming - i.e. with
very little delay/latency?
I need to stream from point A to point B in near-CD quality via a 100
Mbit network. That is easily done using icecast. But here is the tricky bit:
I want as little delay in the signal as possibble - preferrably below 50ms!
I have made a test setup encoding on and serving from an 800 MHz Pentium
II with debian GNU/Linux, icecast 2 and IceS 2. That gave me a delay of
1 or 2 seconds. I need it to be lower.
<p>I have seen hardware that will do the same with only a 30 ms delay. Is
that possible at all with icecast - even on a fast machine? Has anyone
tried it? Has anyone made measurements on it?
Bandwith is (almost) no problem. Would it be possible to avoid delay
somehow using another format (e.g. flac)? And would that work with icecast?
Is there any other software, I should look at?
<p>I have also wondered if it would help to get a sound card with hardware
support for MP(2|3) encoding. They exist, but do anyone know of one that
has a Linux driver? I know that it will probably need some additions to
IceS, but I don't mind getting my hands dirty...
Any help or thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
<p><p><p><p>A bit about my project for the curious:
I work at a student radio station. Our FM transmitter is located some 3
km's from our studio, and right now we pay quite a lot for a analog
leased line to transport our air signal from our studio to the transmitter.
Fortunately, there is a 100 Mbit IP network between us and the building
on which the transmitter is located (most of the way it's actually
gigabit). We would like to use that IP network to transport the signal
from our studio to the transmitter.
We use the air signal from the transmitter for control listening and for
playing around us when we broadcast from outside our studio (from dorms
or different parts of the university). Also, we use the air signal as
headphone feed for our announcers. All that is almost impossible with a
huge delay on the signal (by huge I mean in the order of seconds).
Anything above 90 ms delay is useless for our purpose.
I have ad an offer on some hardware that can do the trick, but for the
price they are asking, I could easily buy 5 or 6 top-of-the-range PC's
with decent sound cards. Also, the PC solution would be more flexible,
allowing us to control our RDS signal and so on.
Besides working at the radio station, I am also a graduate student at
Dept. of Computer Science at the University of Copenhagen, so I wouldn't
mind writing a bit of code, if it was necessary.
<p><p>Hope you can help,
<p><p>J?rgen Elgaard Larsen
IT Manager
University Radio of Copenhagen
Dennmark
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From msmith at xiph.org Thu Feb 5 02:11:20 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 13:11:20 +1100
Subject: [icecast] *Real* real time streaming (no delay/latency)?
In-Reply-To: <4021A27C.4040500@elgaard.net>
Message-ID: <200402051311.20258.msmith@xiph.org>
On Thursday 05 February 2004 12:55, J?rgen Elgaard Larsen wrote:
> Hello
>
> Does anyone have experience with _real_ real time streaming - i.e. with
> very little delay/latency?
>
> I need to stream from point A to point B in near-CD quality via a 100
> Mbit network. That is easily done using icecast. But here is the tricky
> bit:
>
> I want as little delay in the signal as possibble - preferrably below 50ms!
>
> I have made a test setup encoding on and serving from an 800 MHz Pentium
> II with debian GNU/Linux, icecast 2 and IceS 2. That gave me a delay of
> 1 or 2 seconds. I need it to be lower.
>
There are 3 points at which significant latency (other than the actual network
latency) is added in an icecast-style configuration:
* Encoder
* Server
* Client
I don't think the icecast latency is particularly large. Both the encoder and
client latency are likely to be significant. Both can be reduced without
great difficulty.
Encoder-side: because of the way the ogg/vorbis libraries are designed, the
natural output gives a relatively high latency (on the order of 200-300 ms is
typical at moderate bitrates). This is easily reduced (with the penalty being
slightly higher bitrates) by flushing the ogg stream after each vorbis
packet. You should be able to hack ices2 to do this very easily - just
replace calls to ogg_stream_pageout() with calls to ogg_stream_flush().
Client side: does the client do any buffering? Obviously, if it does, this is
a major contribution to latency. Make sure it doesn't do any. I don't know
what client you're using.
I suspect < 50 ms latency will be very difficult, but ~100 ms shouldn't be too
hard.
Mike
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From Murray.Saul at senecac.on.ca Thu Feb 5 02:41:46 2004
From: Murray.Saul at senecac.on.ca (Murray Saul)
Date: Wed, 04 Feb 2004 21:41:46 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Re:Icecast with Winamp
In-Reply-To: <200402051311.20258.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <4021AD6A.9080608@senecac.on.ca>
Hi,
I can get ices2/icecast2 to broadcast ogg files in a playlist to FOOBAR
in MS-Windows (and various apps in Linux). When I try to connect in
WinAmp in MS-Windows, I get in error.log:
[2004-02-04 21:38:39] DBUG source/source_main Client added
[2004-02-04 21:38:41] DBUG format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client
Client had recoverable error -1
[2004-02-04 21:38:42] DBUG format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client
Client had recoverable error -1
[2004-02-04 21:38:43] DBUG format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client
Client had recoverable error -1
Attached is my config files (xml) for icecast2 and ices2 - am I not
setting something correctly?
It is strange it is working on many apps in Linux & Windows, but not
Winamp...
Regards,
Murray Saul
<p>
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Thu Feb 5 05:41:03 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 15:41:03 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Re:Icecast with Winamp
In-Reply-To: <4021AD6A.9080608@senecac.on.ca>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402051540070.1586-100000@data.home>
On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Murray Saul wrote:
> I can get ices2/icecast2 to broadcast ogg files in a playlist to FOOBAR
> in MS-Windows (and various apps in Linux). When I try to connect in
> WinAmp in MS-Windows, I get in error.log:
What version of Winamp? Wimamp3 is broken as regards streaming.
Geoff.
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Thu Feb 5 07:52:28 2004
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 08:52:28 +0100
Subject: [icecast] *Real* real time streaming (no delay/latency)?
In-Reply-To: <4021A27C.4040500@elgaard.net>
Message-ID: <4021F63C.8010105@folkwang-hochschule.de>
one problem apart from icecast is that tcp/ip over ethernet does not
guarantee *when* your packets will arrive, or even in what order.
while the chances are good that it works rather quickly, you can't
sue anyone if it doesn't ;)
but once the network becomes congested, you are in trouble. if the
network between your two locations is one cable, not shared, no
hubs, it might work. but if it's part of a larger net with lots of
background traffic, i wouldn't rely on it.
transmitting audio with low latency over networks has been a
frequent topic on the linux-audio-dev list, because it would be ever
so cool if it worked (think clusters of machines for huge
synthesizers or effects racks).
there have been some suggestions on how to do it, you may want to
search the archive at http://linuxaudiodev.org/archive.php3, but so
far the results have been mixed :(
i can't think why you would want to use an encoded stream though.
there's many more stages to tune for latency, and you don't get the
original signal to your fm transmitter. why not stream the digital
out of your radio desk? or do you have to pay per byte?
regards,
j?rn
<p>J?rgen Elgaard Larsen wrote:
> Hello
>
> Does anyone have experience with _real_ real time streaming - i.e. with
> very little delay/latency?
>
> I need to stream from point A to point B in near-CD quality via a 100
> Mbit network. That is easily done using icecast. But here is the tricky
> bit:
>
> I want as little delay in the signal as possibble - preferrably below 50ms!
>
> I have made a test setup encoding on and serving from an 800 MHz Pentium
> II with debian GNU/Linux, icecast 2 and IceS 2. That gave me a delay of
> 1 or 2 seconds. I need it to be lower.
>
>
> I have seen hardware that will do the same with only a 30 ms delay. Is
> that possible at all with icecast - even on a fast machine? Has anyone
> tried it? Has anyone made measurements on it?
>
> Bandwith is (almost) no problem. Would it be possible to avoid delay
> somehow using another format (e.g. flac)? And would that work with icecast?
>
> Is there any other software, I should look at?
>
>
> I have also wondered if it would help to get a sound card with hardware
> support for MP(2|3) encoding. They exist, but do anyone know of one that
> has a Linux driver? I know that it will probably need some additions to
> IceS, but I don't mind getting my hands dirty...
>
> Any help or thoughts would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
>
>
>
> A bit about my project for the curious:
>
> I work at a student radio station. Our FM transmitter is located some 3
> km's from our studio, and right now we pay quite a lot for a analog
> leased line to transport our air signal from our studio to the transmitter.
>
> Fortunately, there is a 100 Mbit IP network between us and the building
> on which the transmitter is located (most of the way it's actually
> gigabit). We would like to use that IP network to transport the signal
> from our studio to the transmitter.
>
> We use the air signal from the transmitter for control listening and for
> playing around us when we broadcast from outside our studio (from dorms
> or different parts of the university). Also, we use the air signal as
> headphone feed for our announcers. All that is almost impossible with a
> huge delay on the signal (by huge I mean in the order of seconds).
>
> Anything above 90 ms delay is useless for our purpose.
>
> I have ad an offer on some hardware that can do the trick, but for the
> price they are asking, I could easily buy 5 or 6 top-of-the-range PC's
> with decent sound cards. Also, the PC solution would be more flexible,
> allowing us to control our RDS signal and so on.
>
> Besides working at the radio station, I am also a graduate student at
> Dept. of Computer Science at the University of Copenhagen, so I wouldn't
> mind writing a bit of code, if it was necessary.
>
>
>
> Hope you can help,
>
>
>
> J?rgen Elgaard Larsen
> IT Manager
> University Radio of Copenhagen
> Dennmark
>
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From matt at sv.net.au Thu Feb 5 10:09:35 2004
From: matt at sv.net.au (Matt Trim)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 20:09:35 +1000
Subject: [icecast] *Real* real time streaming (no delay/latency)?
In-Reply-To: <4021F63C.8010105@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <002c01c3ebd0$28d134f0$d200a8c0@HOMER>
Hi Joern,
Have a look at www.live.com
Ross Finlayson has source code available to "livecaster" which allows you to
stream audio using the RTP protocol over a UDP pipe. Very efficient as
there is no TCPIP overhead.
http://www.live.com/liveCaster/
If you use lc which is part of livecaster, you can send the audio in from
your MP2/MP3 encoder via stdin
At the other end you should be able to decode the audio directly using a
compatible Linux player
http://www.live.com/liveCaster/receiving.html
Cheers,
Matt
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<p>> one problem apart from icecast is that tcp/ip over ethernet does not
> guarantee *when* your packets will arrive, or even in what order.
> while the chances are good that it works rather quickly, you can't
> sue anyone if it doesn't ;)
> but once the network becomes congested, you are in trouble. if the
> network between your two locations is one cable, not shared, no
> hubs, it might work. but if it's part of a larger net with lots of
> background traffic, i wouldn't rely on it.
>
> transmitting audio with low latency over networks has been a
> frequent topic on the linux-audio-dev list, because it would be ever
> so cool if it worked (think clusters of machines for huge
> synthesizers or effects racks).
> there have been some suggestions on how to do it, you may want to
> search the archive at http://linuxaudiodev.org/archive.php3, but so
> far the results have been mixed :(
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From dachande at gmx.net Thu Feb 5 10:38:37 2004
From: dachande at gmx.net (Daniel Seebald)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 11:38:37 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast in Macromedia Flash
In-Reply-To: <3FCA3DBE.5215.43A8AD@localhost>
Message-ID: <40222B3D.15837.5B3366@localhost>
Hi,
is this some flash player you coded by yourself?
Is it possible to download that player somewhere?
Thanx...
Am 30 Nov 2003 um 18:58 hat assorgia at tin.it geschrieben:
> Actually I'm using icecast 1.3 to stream live audio events and play
> them on my web page with a little flash movie (I have a stream active
> right on this moment), but I'm still hoping to find a way to use icecast
> 2.0.
--
CU und wech... Daniel
This is Linux Country. If you listen carefully, you can hear Windows reboot.
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From mike at radiotakeover.com Thu Feb 5 10:44:29 2004
From: mike at radiotakeover.com (//mikezero/)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 05:44:29 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Icecast in Macromedia Flash
In-Reply-To: <40222B3D.15837.5B3366@localhost>
Message-ID: <40221E8D.9050300@radiotakeover.com>
i've used macromedia shockwave to connect to an ices playlist stream
using icecast 1.3. i haven't been able to get flash to connect to a
streaming audio source yet. if you have any code snippets or example
sources from your flash player that would be a huge help.
_ . _
_ .
//mike.zero/ _ _
_ _ mike at radiotakeover.com _
_ \\head.geek\ _
_ radiotakeover.com____________|
_ . .
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<p><p>Daniel Seebald wrote:
>Hi,
>
>is this some flash player you coded by yourself?
>Is it possible to download that player somewhere?
>
>Thanx...
>
>Am 30 Nov 2003 um 18:58 hat assorgia at tin.it geschrieben:
>
>
>
>>Actually I'm using icecast 1.3 to stream live audio events and play
>>them on my web page with a little flash movie (I have a stream active
>>right on this moment), but I'm still hoping to find a way to use icecast
>>2.0.
>>
>>
>
>
>
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From dachande at gmx.net Thu Feb 5 10:46:51 2004
From: dachande at gmx.net (Daniel Seebald)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 11:46:51 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast in Macromedia Flash
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Hi,
There has been much around discussing, how to get icecast2 working
with a flash player embedded to a webpage.
Another question by me, even if it's a bit offtopic:
Is there some pre-coded flash player available that can play shoutcast
streams?
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From dachande at gmx.net Thu Feb 5 10:58:18 2004
From: dachande at gmx.net (Daniel Seebald)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 11:58:18 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast in Macromedia Flash
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Hi Mike,
I've encountered a webpage which also includes a small online radio.
They have somehow succeeded in coding a little flash-player that's
able to connect to a shoutcast stream.
You can find it here: http://www.bassx.de
Am 5 Feb 2004 um 5:44 hat //mikezero/ geschrieben:
> i've used macromedia shockwave to connect to an ices playlist stream
> using icecast 1.3. i haven't been able to get flash to connect to a
> streaming audio source yet. if you have any code snippets or example
> sources from your flash player that would be a huge help.
>
> Daniel Seebald wrote:
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >is this some flash player you coded by yourself?
> >Is it possible to download that player somewhere?
> >
> >Thanx...
> >
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From Murray.Saul at senecac.on.ca Thu Feb 5 11:59:48 2004
From: Murray.Saul at senecac.on.ca (Murray Saul)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 06:59:48 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Re:Icecast with Winamp
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I am using only WinAmp 2.x and 5.x
It works in WinAmp2.x and 5.x at the college network (T1 line), but not
at home with cable modem
(even with firewall switched off). It tries to prebuffer over 20 minutes
- 5 second burst of music and then
quits with message (-2:-11). Again, no problem if using FOOBAR2000, but
it would be nice to have it
work in WinAmp.
Murray Saul
<p>Geoff Shang wrote:
>On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Murray Saul wrote:
>
>
>
>>I can get ices2/icecast2 to broadcast ogg files in a playlist to FOOBAR
>>in MS-Windows (and various apps in Linux). When I try to connect in
>>WinAmp in MS-Windows, I get in error.log:
>>
>>
>
>What version of Winamp? Wimamp3 is broken as regards streaming.
>
>Geoff.
>
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From giles at xiph.org Thu Feb 5 13:43:08 2004
From: giles at xiph.org (Ralph Giles)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 05:43:08 -0800
Subject: [icecast] *Real* real time streaming (no delay/latency)?
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On Thu, Feb 05, 2004 at 02:55:08AM +0100, J?rgen Elgaard Larsen wrote:
> I need to stream from point A to point B in near-CD quality via a 100
> Mbit network. That is easily done using icecast. But here is the tricky bit:
>
> I want as little delay in the signal as possibble - preferrably below 50ms!
As Mike mentioned, you're not going to get this low with Vorbis. However, if you're really able to
use a fraction of your 100 Mbps link, you can trade bandwidth for latency by using a less
space-efficient codec. FLAC, for example, allows block sizes down to 16 samples per channel; it
would be straightforward to write a source client that did (uncompressed) flac encapsulation
with latency comparable to that of your sound card's buffer.
Of course that means writing some code. Don't know if you're into that. Have you tried something
obvious like 'netcat /dev/dsp' or 'wavr - | ssh remotehost wavp -' or the like? Those don't
provide any reconnection logic on failure but you can do that in a script, or just manually if
your network is sufficiently reliable.
Sound servers like esd and NAS can both probably do what you want as well. And someone should
really write a network pipe for jack, if you want another coding option.
FWIW,
-r
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From devin at moonglade.com Thu Feb 5 16:21:00 2004
From: devin at moonglade.com (Devin Campbell)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 11:21:00 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 Win32: any way to minimize on start orrunas a service?
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You could always run this as a service using Microsoft's tools from the NT
3.5 Resource Kit. The two tools you need are srvany.exe and instsrv.exe.
I've used this many times on Win2k with no problems. You can download the
resource kit from Microsoft here:
ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/winnt/winnt-public/reskit/nt35/i386/i386.exe
And there is an article about how to set it up here:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
80/support/kb/articles/q137/8/90.asp&NoWebContent=1
I'd be curious to know if that works out. I think if you change the setting
to allow the service to interact with the desktop, you'll get to see the
window when you log in. But, it's been a while since I've used this method
and I can't remember for certain.
Devin
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Subject: Re: [icecast] Icecast2 Win32: any way to minimize on start orrunas
a service?
<p>That works great. It would be nice, however, to have it run as a service
(like IIS or Apache), since in order for this to run, you have to log in.
Thanks for your help,
Ethan
Thomas B. Ruecker, DM8TBR wrote:
tartup folder it will start. The only problem is that it won't start
minimized...
IIRC you can set the properties of this shortcut to "start minimized". Or
does your executable override this?
regards
Thomas
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From joku at ranssi.paivola.net Thu Feb 5 16:20:45 2004
From: joku at ranssi.paivola.net (Olli)
Date: Thu, 5 Feb 2004 18:20:45 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Icecast and stats.html
Message-ID: <AOEPICFLLCLCPODPEJKOCEIGCIAA.joku@ranssi.paivola.net>
Hi.
How I can add Icecast bandwith usage to stats.html (automatically
generated)?
What is "variable" name?
Thanks.
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From Murray.Saul at senecac.on.ca Thu Feb 5 17:13:56 2004
From: Murray.Saul at senecac.on.ca (Murray Saul)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 12:13:56 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Re:Icecast with Winamp
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Message-ID: <402279D4.8080202@senecac.on.ca>
When I run ogg123 for my internet radio station, it runs, but I get the
message:
"Hole in the stream; probably harmless"
Would this be causing a problem with WinAmp playing the stream in WinAmp
2.x and 5.x?
Murray Saul
<p>Murray Saul wrote:
> I am using only WinAmp 2.x and 5.x
> It works in WinAmp2.x and 5.x at the college network (T1 line), but
> not at home with cable modem
> (even with firewall switched off). It tries to prebuffer over 20
> minutes - 5 second burst of music and then
> quits with message (-2:-11). Again, no problem if using FOOBAR2000,
> but it would be nice to have it
> work in WinAmp.
>
> Murray Saul
>
>
> Geoff Shang wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Murray Saul wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I can get ices2/icecast2 to broadcast ogg files in a playlist to FOOBAR
>>> in MS-Windows (and various apps in Linux). When I try to connect in
>>> WinAmp in MS-Windows, I get in error.log:
>>>
>>
>>
>> What version of Winamp? Wimamp3 is broken as regards streaming.
>>
>> Geoff.
>>
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From rhygin at ragga-jungle.com Thu Feb 5 18:02:22 2004
From: rhygin at ragga-jungle.com (Rhygin)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 13:02:22 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Re-reading config file not working?
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> This is just a wild guess ... but do you chroot() icecast?
>
> If yes, and your configuration is "somewhere else", it works at first
> because icecast chroots after reading its config. Once it is running, it
> might not find the .xml file anymore due to the chroot.
>
> If the problem goes away when you turn of <chroot>, that's probably the
> cause.
Ahhh... how silly of me...
Didn't even think of the whole chroot() thing. Perhaps as a feature in
the future after icecast does the chroot() it can remove the chroot path
from the config file path stored in memory thus avoiding this problem.
But I guess for now I'll just have to make some symlinks in my
/usr/local/icecast directory.
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Thu Feb 5 19:21:54 2004
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 20:21:54 +0100
Subject: [icecast] *Real* real time streaming (no delay/latency)?
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Message-ID: <402297D2.1030908@folkwang-hochschule.de>
[windows users can ignore this, jack is linux and macosx only atm.]
Ralph Giles wrote:
> Sound servers like esd and NAS can both probably do what you want as well. And someone should
> really write a network pipe for jack, if you want another coding option.
there is. somebody announced a jack-over-udp client a week or so
ago. browse the mailing list archive on jackit.sf.net to find out
more. jo/rgen, if you are in hacking mood, i'm sure the author of
the jack udp thingie would be interested in working with somebody
who intends to use it professionally.
(btw, speaking of jack, ices2 has experimental jack support in the
latest -kh snapshots. it's not yet real-time safe, but on lightly
loaded systems it works quite well. i've been streaming the output
of my mixing desk through a few jack apps to friends for a couple of
days now :)
best,
j?rn
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From kevinw at houston.rr.com Fri Feb 6 00:27:03 2004
From: kevinw at houston.rr.com (Kevin White)
Date: Thu, 05 Feb 2004 18:27:03 -0600
Subject: [icecast] EZStream and MP3 file names
Message-ID: <5.2.0.9.0.20040205182519.00b4f7d8@pop-server.houston.rr.com>
I seem to be having problems with EZSTREAM opening files with spaces in the
name... Should I set a config option to allow spaces in the directory or
file names of my MP3s???
Thanks
Kevin
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From iceuse at kezako.net Fri Feb 6 09:44:00 2004
From: iceuse at kezako.net (iceuse at kezako.net)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:44:00 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Transcoding ogg with curl, oggdec, ices2: problem after fallback due to oggdec
In-Reply-To: <200402051139.31048.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <E1Ap2Wm-0002mj-00@Yglar>
Hello,
In fact, we can use ogg123 | ices2 in place of curl | oggdec | ices2
But chained streams problem (for oggdec) is then replaced by
deadlock problems with ogg123 and icecast.
I will try it again with the latest icecast provided by karl, and I see and keep the list informed
about how it goes...
Chris
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From Murray.Saul at senecac.on.ca Fri Feb 6 16:03:13 2004
From: Murray.Saul at senecac.on.ca (Murray Saul)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 11:03:13 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Re:Icecast with Winamp
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Message-ID: <4023BAC1.5040604@senecac.on.ca>
I discovered the problem.
I simply had to select a port like 8080 (i.e. get around the throttling
issue)...
Works just fine now...
Murray Saul
<p><p>Murray Saul wrote:
> I am using only WinAmp 2.x and 5.x
> It works in WinAmp2.x and 5.x at the college network (T1 line), but
> not at home with cable modem
> (even with firewall switched off). It tries to prebuffer over 20
> minutes - 5 second burst of music and then
> quits with message (-2:-11). Again, no problem if using FOOBAR2000,
> but it would be nice to have it
> work in WinAmp.
>
> Murray Saul
>
>
> Geoff Shang wrote:
>
>> On Wed, 4 Feb 2004, Murray Saul wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I can get ices2/icecast2 to broadcast ogg files in a playlist to FOOBAR
>>> in MS-Windows (and various apps in Linux). When I try to connect in
>>> WinAmp in MS-Windows, I get in error.log:
>>>
>>
>>
>> What version of Winamp? Wimamp3 is broken as regards streaming.
>>
>> Geoff.
>>
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From ekiczek at wcfia.harvard.edu Sat Feb 7 04:13:44 2004
From: ekiczek at wcfia.harvard.edu (Ethan Kiczek)
Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 23:13:44 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 Win32: any way to minimize on start or run as a service?
In-Reply-To: <DLELLAKKJBHHNFAKBEHPMEAGDGAA.devin@moonglade.com>
Message-ID: <402465F8.7040104@wcfia.harvard.edu>
This worked, except I had to find the Windows 2000 Resource Kit versions
of INSTSRV.EXE and SRVANY.EXE. They can be found, along with an article
about creating your own services, at:
http://www.tacktech.com/display.cfm?ttid=197
I tried the WinNT versions of INSTSRV and SRVANY which you referenced,
but I received errors. Once I downloaded the Win2000 versions, it worked
like a charm. Important notes:
- You need to Add a Value for AppDirectory in the Parameters Key so that
it knows to find the icecast.xml config file in the Icecast2 Win32
directory.
- In the Icecast service properties, under the Log On tab, make sure the
"Interact with Desktop" check box is checked.
This is so cool. Thanks everyone for your help!
Ethan
Devin Campbell wrote:
>You could always run this as a service using Microsoft's tools from the NT
>3.5 Resource Kit. The two tools you need are srvany.exe and instsrv.exe.
>I've used this many times on Win2k with no problems. You can download the
>resource kit from Microsoft here:
>ftp://ftp.microsoft.com/bussys/winnt/winnt-public/reskit/nt35/i386/i386.exe
>
>And there is an article about how to set it up here:
>http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=http://support.microsoft.com:
>80/support/kb/articles/q137/8/90.asp&NoWebContent=1
>
>I'd be curious to know if that works out. I think if you change the setting
>to allow the service to interact with the desktop, you'll get to see the
>window when you log in. But, it's been a while since I've used this method
>and I can't remember for certain.
>
>Devin
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
>Ethan Kiczek
>Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 12:33 PM
>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: Re: [icecast] Icecast2 Win32: any way to minimize on start orrunas
>a service?
>
>
>That works great. It would be nice, however, to have it run as a service
>(like IIS or Apache), since in order for this to run, you have to log in.
>
>Thanks for your help,
>
>Ethan
>
>Thomas B. Ruecker, DM8TBR wrote:
>
>startup folder it will start. The only problem is that it won't start
>minimized...
>
>IIRC you can set the properties of this shortcut to "start minimized". Or
>does your executable override this?
>
>regards
>
>Thomas
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From tarkin-dev-request at xiph.org Mon Feb 9 17:28:00 2004
From: tarkin-dev-request at xiph.org (tarkin-dev-request at xiph.org)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 12:28:00 -0500
Subject: [icecast] HELLO
Message-ID: <20040209172800.A1205532C10@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
The message cannot be represented in 7-bit ASCII encoding and has been sent as a binary attachment.
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From dachande at gmx.net Mon Feb 9 17:58:32 2004
From: dachande at gmx.net (Daniel Seebald)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 18:58:32 +0100
Subject: [icecast] HELLO
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Message-ID: <4027D858.21930.214344E@localhost>
It's one of them so called email worms...
you should consider checking your system ;)
Am 9 Feb 2004 um 12:28 hat tarkin-dev-request at xiph.org geschrieben:
> The message cannot be represented in 7-bit ASCII encoding and has been sent as a binary attachment.
>
>
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From webby at seneca-rez.net Mon Feb 9 18:02:11 2004
From: webby at seneca-rez.net (Jason L)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 13:02:11 -0500
Subject: [icecast] HELLO
In-Reply-To: <4027D858.21930.214344E@localhost>
Message-ID: <000501c3ef36$d700eb60$1401a8c0@workstation>
my Mail Server AV caught it.
<p>----- Original Message -----
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Subject: Re: [icecast] HELLO
<p>> It's one of them so called email worms...
> you should consider checking your system ;)
>
> Am 9 Feb 2004 um 12:28 hat tarkin-dev-request at xiph.org geschrieben:
>
> > The message cannot be represented in 7-bit ASCII encoding and has been
sent as a binary attachment.
> >
> >
>
> Attachment: readme.zip
>
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From jsoukup at netlantic.de Mon Feb 9 19:37:33 2004
From: jsoukup at netlantic.de (Johann Soukup)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 20:37:33 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Firewall issue - Port 80
Message-ID: <4027E17D.16ED4DDD@netlantic.de>
Hello.
we are trying to setup some rebroadcast of live feeds with IceCast 2 and
darkice server on
dedicated machines. With some customers we have problems to get the the
mp3 stream
through fiorewalls on port 8000.
If I reconfigure the IceCast 2 server on port 80 it cannot create a
listener socket on port 80.
There is definitly no service on port 80 running.
Any suggestions are appreciated.
Best Regards
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From erank at isthmus.com Mon Feb 9 20:09:04 2004
From: erank at isthmus.com (Eric Rank)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 14:09:04 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Firewall issue - Port 80
In-Reply-To: <4027E17D.16ED4DDD@netlantic.de>
Message-ID: <010001c3ef48$90f98020$8b01a8c0@DB>
Normally you need to run services as the root user (which icecast recommends
against doing) for ports under 1024. So if you're running icecast 2 as a
non-root user, that might be your problem. I would try a different
non-standard port, like 8002, or whatever.
I've had problems with various isp's blocking uploads from port 80, 21, 23,
and even 8080. So if your users are trying to upload from port 80, they
might still have problems, even if you can get a listener socket on 80.
Eric
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Subject: [icecast] Firewall issue - Port 80
<p>> Hello.
>
> we are trying to setup some rebroadcast of live feeds with IceCast 2 and
> darkice server on
> dedicated machines. With some customers we have problems to get the the
> mp3 stream
> through fiorewalls on port 8000.
>
> If I reconfigure the IceCast 2 server on port 80 it cannot create a
> listener socket on port 80.
>
> There is definitly no service on port 80 running.
>
> Any suggestions are appreciated.
> Best Regards
>
> - Johann
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From Jeroen.Geusebroek at intellit.nl Mon Feb 9 21:42:18 2004
From: Jeroen.Geusebroek at intellit.nl (Jeroen Geusebroek)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 22:42:18 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Ices0 & Icecast2
Message-ID: <20040209214235.3678F49F08@mail.intellit.nl>
Hi,
I would like to stream MP3 to Icecast2 and read in the archives that this
should work
fine with ices0.
I compiled and installed both icecast2 and ices0 fine, but ices0 seems to
fail to authenticate.
[2004-02-09 22:16:10] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source (/)
attempted to login with invalid or missing password
[2004-02-09 22:16:11] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source logging
in at mountpoint "/"
Am I overlooking something?
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From icecast at ovide.student.utwente.nl Mon Feb 9 22:02:33 2004
From: icecast at ovide.student.utwente.nl (Ivo Grondman)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 23:02:33 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Ices0 & Icecast2
In-Reply-To: <20040209214235.3678F49F08@mail.intellit.nl>
Message-ID: <20040209220124.A4C4215F33@ovide.student.utwente.nl>
> I would like to stream MP3 to Icecast2 and read in the archives that
> this should work fine with ices0.
I've got it running fine right here, so that's not the problem.
> I compiled and installed both icecast2 and ices0 fine, but ices0 seems
> to fail to authenticate.
>
> [2004-02-09 22:16:10] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
> (/) attempted to login with invalid or missing password
> [2004-02-09 22:16:11] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
> logging in at mountpoint "/"
>
> Am I overlooking something?
What did you set as a source-password in icecast.xml (or whatever
config-file you use)? Don't tell me of course, ask this to yourself ;)
When you start ices you should have the -P flag or - when using the password
in a config-file - the <password></password>-tag set with that password.
Greetz,
Ivo
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From kerry.cox at ksl.com Mon Feb 9 22:04:46 2004
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 09 Feb 2004 15:04:46 -0700
Subject: [icecast] MB soundcards and PCI soundcards
Message-ID: <1076364286.10972.102.camel@quasi.ksl.com>
Here's a problem that I have uncovered on two entriely separate machines
using the latest icecast2 and ices2 software. Even when the onboard
soundcard is disabled, the PCI soundcard (which has been both a Creative
Live! and an Ensoniq soundcard) is unable to accept input or stdin
audio.
If I enable the onboard soundcard everything works well and I can stream
audio using icecast and ices. But using the PCI soundcard with the
onboard card disabled, no input is detected.
I have tested this so far on only RH9 with the latest updates.
Has anyone else come across this, and if so, how did they fix this? Not
a big issue, but I would like to use the nicer soundcards rather than
the built-in cards.
Thanks.
KJ
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From hoodibaba at comcast.net Mon Feb 9 23:14:30 2004
From: hoodibaba at comcast.net (Midhun Kumar Allu)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 16:14:30 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Problem with Icecast2/Ices streaming MP3.
Message-ID: <1076368469.22846.45.camel@Almaroro>
Hello everyone,
I am running Icecast 2.0.0 with ices-3.0. I run ices on a machine which
has all the mp3 files I am playing and stream these mp3 to Icecast which
is running on another machine. Every now and then, say 2 hours. Ices
keeps churning out errors saying updating meta data and socket errors
and keeps retrying and after some time it suceeds for one file and then
when playing the next file it tries a couple of times and then ices says
too many stream errors and exits. ( I have attached the excerpts from
the log files of both ices and icecast below)
Has any one faced same problem ?
I would appreciate any help.
Thanks in advance,
Midhun Kumar Allu.
<p><p>----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DEBUG: Builtin playlist handler serving:
/home/midhun/radcd/Tagore/Manmadha Manmadha.mp3
DEBUG: Filename cleaned up from [/home/midhun/radcd/Tagore/Manmadha
Manmadha.mp3] to [Manmadha Manmadha]
DEBUG: ID3v1: Title: Manmadha Manmadha
DEBUG: ID3v1: Artist: MalliKarjunaRao, Ashok Teja
DEBUG: ID3v2: version 3.0. Tag size is 2038 bytes.
DEBUG: ID3v2: Title found: Manmadha Manmadha
DEBUG: ID3v2: Artist found: MalliKarjunaRao, Ashok Teja
DEBUG: VBR tag found
DEBUG: MPEG-1 layer III, VBR, 44100 Hz, j-stereo
DEBUG: Ext: 0 Mode_Ext: 2 Copyright: 0 Original: 1
DEBUG: Error Protection: 0 Emphasis: 0 Padding: 0
Playing /home/midhun/radcd/Tagore/Manmadha Manmadha.mp3
DEBUG: Grew output buffer to 145440 bytes
DEBUG: Updated metadata on /desi.mp3 to: MalliKarjunaRao, Ashok Teja -
Manmadha Manmadha
Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: Socket
error
Mounted on http://patalu.dyndns.org:8000/desi.mp3
DEBUG: Delaying metadata update...
DEBUG: Updated metadata on /desi.mp3 to: MalliKarjunaRao, Ashok Teja -
Manmadha Manmadha
Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: Socket
error
Mounted on http://patalu.dyndns.org:8000/desi.mp3
DEBUG: Delaying metadata update...
DEBUG: Updated metadata on /desi.mp3 to: MalliKarjunaRao, Ashok Teja -
Manmadha Manmadha
Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: Socket
error
.
.
. <The same message repeats many times>
.
.
Mounted on http://patalu.dyndns.org:8000/desi.mp3
DEBUG: Delaying metadata update...
DEBUG: Updated metadata on /desi.mp3 to: MalliKarjunaRao, Ashok Teja -
Manmadha Manmadha
DEBUG: Done DEBUG: Builtin playlist handler serving:
/home/midhun/radcd/Tagore/Vanochhenante.mp3
DEBUG: Filename cleaned up from
[/home/midhun/radcd/Tagore/Vanochhenante.mp3] to [Vanochhenante]
DEBUG: ID3v1: Title: Vanochhenante
DEBUG: ID3v1: Artist: Udit Narayan, Shreya Ghoshal
DEBUG: ID3v2: version 3.0. Tag size is 2038 bytes.
DEBUG: ID3v2: Title found: Vanochhenante
DEBUG: ID3v2: Artist found: Udit Narayan, Shreya Ghoshal
DEBUG: VBR tag found
DEBUG: MPEG-1 layer III, VBR, 44100 Hz, j-stereo
DEBUG: Ext: 0 Mode_Ext: 2 Copyright: 0 Original: 1
DEBUG: Error PrError during send: Libshout reported send error,
disconnecting: Socket error
Mounted on http://patalu.dyndns.org:8000/desi.mp3
DEBUG: Delaying metadata update...
DEBUG: Updated metadata on /desi.mp3 to: Udit Narayan, Shreya Ghoshal -
Vanochhenante
Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: Socket
error
Mounted on http://patalu.dyndns.org:8000/desi.mp3
DEBUG: Delaying metadata update...
DEBUG: Updated metadata on /desi.mp3 to: Udit Narayan, Shreya Ghoshal -
Vanochhenante
Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: Socket
error
.
.
. <Same message repeats many times>
.
Mounted on http://patalu.dyndns.org:8000/desi.mp3
DEBUG: Delaying metadata update...
DEBUG: Updated metadata on /desi.mp3 to: Udit Narayan, Shreya Ghoshal -
Vanochhenante
Too many stream errors, giving up
Ices Exiting...
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
<p>At the same time the error.log file on the server says :
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
<p>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
[2004-02-09 09:27:10] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Client
connected
[2004-02-09 09:27:10] DBUG admin/admin_handle_request Got command
(metadata)
[2004-02-09 09:27:10] INFO admin/admin_handle_request Received admin
command metadata on mount "/desi.mp3"
[2004-02-09 09:27:10] DBUG admin/command_metadata Got metadata update
request
[2004-02-09 09:27:10] DBUG admin/command_metadata Metadata on
mountpoint /desi.mp3 changed to "Udit Narayan, Shreya Ghoshal -
Vanochhenante"
[2004-02-09 09:27:11] DBUG source/source_main Disconnecting source due
to socket read error: Success
[2004-02-09 09:27:11] INFO source/source_main Removing source following
disconnection
[2004-02-09 09:27:11] INFO source/source_main Source "/desi.mp3"
exiting
[2004-02-09 09:27:12] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
logging in at mountpoint "/desi.mp3"
[2004-02-09 09:27:12] DBUG source/source_main Source creation complete
[2004-02-09 09:27:14] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Client
connected
[2004-02-09 09:27:14] DBUG admin/admin_handle_request Got command
(metadata)
[2004-02-09 09:27:14] INFO admin/admin_handle_request Received admin
command metadata on mount "/desi.mp3"
[2004-02-09 09:27:14] DBUG admin/command_metadata Got metadata update
request
[2004-02-09 09:27:14] DBUG admin/command_metadata Metadata on
mountpoint /desi.mp3 changed to "Udit Narayan, Shreya Ghoshal -
Vanochhenante
[2004-02-09 09:27:14] INFO source/source_main Source "/desi.mp3"
exiting
[2004-02-09 09:27:16] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
logging in at mountpoint "/desi.mp3"
[2004-02-09 09:27:16] DBUG source/source_main Source creation complete
[2004-02-09 09:27:18] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Client
connected
[2004-02-09 09:27:18] DBUG admin/admin_handle_request Got command
(metadata)
[2004-02-09 09:27:18] INFO admin/admin_handle_request Received admin
command metadata on mount "/desi.mp3"
[2004-02-09 09:27:18] DBUG admin/command_metadata Got metadata update
request
[2004-02-09 09:27:18] DBUG admin/command_metadata Metadata on
mountpoint /desi.mp3 changed to "Udit Narayan, Shreya Ghoshal -
Vanochhenante"
[2004-02-09 09:27:18] DBUG source/source_main Disconnecting source due
to socket read error: Success
[2004-02-09 09:27:18] INFO source/source_main Removing source following
disconnection
[2004-02-09 09:27:18] INFO source/source_main Source "/desi.mp3"
exiting
[2004-02-09 09:27:20] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
logging in at mountpoint "/desi.mp3"
[2004-02-09 09:27:20] DBUG source/source_main Source creation complete
[2004-02-09 09:27:22] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Client
connected
[2004-02-09 09:27:22] DBUG admin/admin_handle_request Got command
(metadata)
[2004-02-09 09:27:22] INFO admin/admin_handle_request Received admin
command metadata on mount "/desi.mp3"
[2004-02-09 09:27:22] DBUG admin/command_metadata Metadata on
mountpoint /desi.mp3 changed to "Udit Narayan, Shreya Ghoshal -
Vanochhenante"
[2004-02-09 09:27:24] DBUG source/source_main Disconnecting source due
to socket read error: Success
[2004-02-09 09:27:24] INFO source/source_main Removing source following
disconnection
[2004-02-09 09:27:24] INFO source/source_main Source "/desi.mp3"
exiting
[2004-02-09 09:27:24] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
logging in at mountpoint "/desi.mp3"
[2004-02-09 09:27:24] DBUG source/source_main Source creation complete
[2004-02-09 09:27:27] DBUG source/source_main Disconnecting source due
to socket read error: Success
[2004-02-09 09:27:27] INFO source/source_main Removing source following
disconnection
[2004-02-09 09:27:27] INFO source/source_main Source "/desi.mp3"
exiting
[2004-02-09 09:27:27] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Client
connected
[2004-02-09 09:27:27] DBUG admin/admin_handle_request Got command
(metadata)
[2004-02-09 09:27:27] WARN admin/admin_handle_request Admin command
metadata on non-existent source /desi.mp3
[2004-02-09 09:27:28] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
logging in at mountpoint "/desi.mp3"
[2004-02-09 09:27:28] DBUG source/source_main Source creation complete
[2004-02-09 09:27:30] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Client
connected
[2004-02-09 09:27:30] DBUG admin/admin_handle_request Got command
(metadata)
[2004-02-09 09:27:30] INFO admin/admin_handle_request Received admin
command metadata on mount "/desi.mp3"
[2004-02-09 09:27:30] DBUG admin/command_metadata Got metadata update
request
[2004-02-09 09:27:30] DBUG admin/command_metadata Metadata on
mountpoint /desi.mp3 changed to "Udit Narayan, Shreya Ghoshal -
Vanochhenante"
[2004-02-09 09:27:31] DBUG source/source_main Disconnecting source due
to socket read error: Success
[2004-02-09 09:27:31] INFO source/source_main Removing source following
disconnection
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From msmith at xiph.org Tue Feb 10 01:13:52 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:13:52 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Firewall issue - Port 80
In-Reply-To: <4027E17D.16ED4DDD@netlantic.de>
Message-ID: <200402101213.52245.msmith@xiph.org>
On Tuesday 10 February 2004 06:37, Johann Soukup wrote:
> Hello.
>
> we are trying to setup some rebroadcast of live feeds with IceCast 2 and
> darkice server on
> dedicated machines. With some customers we have problems to get the the
> mp3 stream
> through fiorewalls on port 8000.
>
> If I reconfigure the IceCast 2 server on port 80 it cannot create a
> listener socket on port 80.
If you're using a unix system, then you need to run as root to bind to any
port below 1024.
You can run icecast as root, and using the <changeowner> directive in the
config file to make it change to a non-root user. If you do this, icecast
will start up, bind to the appropriate port as root, then change to the
configured user (you don't want to actually run continually as root for
safety/security reasons) before accepting connections. If you don't use
<changeowner>, icecast will refuse to run as root.
Mike
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From msmith at xiph.org Tue Feb 10 01:14:22 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 12:14:22 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Ices0 & Icecast2
In-Reply-To: <20040209214235.3678F49F08@mail.intellit.nl>
Message-ID: <200402101214.22889.msmith@xiph.org>
On Tuesday 10 February 2004 08:42, Jeroen Geusebroek wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to stream MP3 to Icecast2 and read in the archives that this
> should work
> fine with ices0.
>
> I compiled and installed both icecast2 and ices0 fine, but ices0 seems to
> fail to authenticate.
>
> [2004-02-09 22:16:10] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source (/)
> attempted to login with invalid or missing password
> [2004-02-09 22:16:11] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
> logging in at mountpoint "/"
>
> Am I overlooking something?
>
You probably have it configured to use the wrong protocol.
Mike
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From adam at physco.com Tue Feb 10 04:35:16 2004
From: adam at physco.com (Adam D. Ligas)
Date: Mon, 9 Feb 2004 23:35:16 -0500
Subject: [icecast] MB soundcards and PCI soundcards
In-Reply-To: <1076364286.10972.102.camel@quasi.ksl.com>
Message-ID: <1076387716.40285f84d7f9b@webmail.dsl.net>
Kerry,
I have two soundcards in my system, using RH 7.3, and I had a hell of a time
getting the second one to work. I think it was because I added the second one
after I installed the machine. I'm not sure anything I am about to say will
help your case, but what the hell :).
My first problem was that I had /dev/dsp and /dev/dsp1, but both pointed to
the same sound card. Apparantly, this is because I am using a SB Live, and it
uses two dsps. So although I thought I saw two cards, I really only had one
usable.
Once I made sure the module was loaded and running properly, I had to create
two new /dev entries for the card to use - dsp2 and dsp3. I did that with the
following two lines:
mknod /dev/dsp2 c 14 35
mknod /dev/dsp3 c 14 51
After I did that, pointing my streamer (in my case DarkIce) at /dev/dsp2 got
me access to the second card.
I also had to use aumix on /dev/mixer1 to set the levels on that second card.
It defaulted the input to mute on me, so I wasn't getting anything at first.
Unmuting it and boosting the level got me in business.
Maybe your RH install took the onboard sound and mapped it to the dsp and dsp1
entries. Maybe it preserves that mapping even though the card is "disabled"
and is treating the new soundboard like a "second" card?
- Adam
Quoting Kerry Cox <kerry.cox at ksl.com>:
> Here's a problem that I have uncovered on two entriely separate machines
> using the latest icecast2 and ices2 software. Even when the onboard
> soundcard is disabled, the PCI soundcard (which has been both a Creative
> Live! and an Ensoniq soundcard) is unable to accept input or stdin
> audio.
> If I enable the onboard soundcard everything works well and I can stream
> audio using icecast and ices. But using the PCI soundcard with the
> onboard card disabled, no input is detected.
> I have tested this so far on only RH9 with the latest updates.
> Has anyone else come across this, and if so, how did they fix this? Not
> a big issue, but I would like to use the nicer soundcards rather than
> the built-in cards.
> Thanks.
> KJ
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr Tue Feb 10 06:21:11 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:21:11 +0100
Subject: [icecast] How to edit icecast.xml via SSH on Linux?
In-Reply-To: <1076368469.22846.45.camel@Almaroro>
Message-ID: <20040210062125.05566532C9D@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Hi everybody,
I am connecting to my Icecast/Linux server via SSH because I don't have any
monitor for my server yet. So I have a simple question for all Linux
specialists: how can I edit the icecast.xml file trough SSH?
Sorry if my question is more related to Linux than Icecast but I know a lot
of people participating to this list is using Linux!
Thanks in advance!
MAX
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From darkeye at tyrell.hu Tue Feb 10 06:26:23 2004
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 07:26:23 +0100
Subject: [icecast] How to edit icecast.xml via SSH on Linux?
In-Reply-To: <20040210062125.05566532C9D@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Message-ID: <4028798F.20309@tyrell.hu>
MacSym wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> I am connecting to my Icecast/Linux server via SSH because I don't have any
> monitor for my server yet. So I have a simple question for all Linux
> specialists: how can I edit the icecast.xml file trough SSH?
use a generic text editor, like vim, emacs, nano, pico, etc, etc...
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From hoodibaba at comcast.net Tue Feb 10 06:29:16 2004
From: hoodibaba at comcast.net (Midhun Kumar Allu)
Date: Mon, 09 Feb 2004 23:29:16 -0700
Subject: [icecast] How to edit icecast.xml via SSH on Linux?
In-Reply-To: <20040210062125.05566532C9D@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Message-ID: <1076394555.22846.49.camel@Almaroro>
Hi,
I dont know if I got the question right. It is simply straight forward.
*) Connect to the machine with ssh
*) Use an editor like vi/pico/nano/joe
Example :
$vi /etc/icecast.xml
$pico /etc/icecast.xml
Hope I didn't oversimplify the question.
Have fun,
Midhun Kumar Allu.
<p>On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 23:21, MacSym wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> I am connecting to my Icecast/Linux server via SSH because I don't have any
> monitor for my server yet. So I have a simple question for all Linux
> specialists: how can I edit the icecast.xml file trough SSH?
>
> Sorry if my question is more related to Linux than Icecast but I know a lot
> of people participating to this list is using Linux!
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> MAX
>
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From adon at yorku.ca Tue Feb 10 06:34:32 2004
From: adon at yorku.ca (Adon Irani)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 01:34:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] How to edit icecast.xml via SSH on Linux?
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> *) Connect to the machine with ssh
ya, i ssh telnet into my servers np . .
a.
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Tue Feb 10 09:53:50 2004
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 10:53:50 +0100
Subject: [icecast] MB soundcards and PCI soundcards
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Message-ID: <4028AA2E.8010100@folkwang-hochschule.de>
this is almost certainly a driver or device mapping issue. the
answer depends on whether you use alsa or oss.
if you're using oss: use alsa :)
if you're using alsa: are both cards correctly installed? what does
aplay -l say? what does lsmod | grep snd say?
have you specified the correct device to use? depending on your
installation, the onboard sound chip might be set to be the default
device.
btw, for all questions related to linux audio, may i invite you to
the linux-audio-user list at
http://linuxaudiodev.org/subscribelau.php3 ?
many people there use multiple soundcards (i've been doing so
without problems for years), and will be able to help you with
distro-specific stuff (i don't run rh, so i can't help you there.)
since this is a cross-platform list, os-specific driver issues won't
be of much use to many readers anyway...
regards,
j?rn
btw, many thanks for your excellent howto. it helped me a great deal
with a webcast of the linux audio developers' conference last year
(http://linuxaudiodev.org/eventszkm2003.php3). kudos!
Kerry Cox wrote:
> Here's a problem that I have uncovered on two entriely separate machines
> using the latest icecast2 and ices2 software. Even when the onboard
> soundcard is disabled, the PCI soundcard (which has been both a Creative
> Live! and an Ensoniq soundcard) is unable to accept input or stdin
> audio.
> If I enable the onboard soundcard everything works well and I can stream
> audio using icecast and ices. But using the PCI soundcard with the
> onboard card disabled, no input is detected.
> I have tested this so far on only RH9 with the latest updates.
> Has anyone else come across this, and if so, how did they fix this? Not
> a big issue, but I would like to use the nicer soundcards rather than
> the built-in cards.
> Thanks.
> KJ
>
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From Jeroen.Geusebroek at intellit.nl Tue Feb 10 10:42:18 2004
From: Jeroen.Geusebroek at intellit.nl (Jeroen Geusebroek)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:42:18 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Ices0 & Icecast2
In-Reply-To: <20040209220124.A4C4215F33@ovide.student.utwente.nl>
Message-ID: <20040210104235.1F6F149F08@mail.intellit.nl>
> What did you set as a source-password in icecast.xml (or whatever
> config-file you use)? Don't tell me of course, ask this to yourself ;)
>
> When you start ices you should have the -P flag or - when using the
> password
> in a config-file - the <password></password>-tag set with that password.
I use a command line like this:
./ices -F playlist -h IP -m mountpoint -P secret -r
It's of course the same password as in the icecast config ;)
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From Jeroen.Geusebroek at intellit.nl Tue Feb 10 10:43:41 2004
From: Jeroen.Geusebroek at intellit.nl (Jeroen Geusebroek)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 11:43:41 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Ices0 & Icecast2
In-Reply-To: <200402101214.22889.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <20040210104357.D54DB49F08@mail.intellit.nl>
> > I compiled and installed both icecast2 and ices0 fine, but ices0 seems
> to
> > fail to authenticate.
> >
> > [2004-02-09 22:16:10] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source (/)
> > attempted to login with invalid or missing password
> > [2004-02-09 22:16:11] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
> > logging in at mountpoint "/"
> >
> > Am I overlooking something?
> >
>
> You probably have it configured to use the wrong protocol.
And what changes should I make then? I didn't know icecast uses more then
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From niko at skoid.org Tue Feb 10 13:06:57 2004
From: niko at skoid.org (niko at skoid.org)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:06:57 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [icecast] hide status.xsl ?
Message-ID: <56317.80.170.189.224.1076418417.squirrel@mail.skoid.org>
Hi
I would like to hide the status.xsl page from my icecast server (or change
the location of the file)
I've tried to rename it in the web/ diectory, but it is always at
myserver:port/status.xsl..
If i delete it, this is the same..
Does someone know what I would have to do ton don't have this file ?
<p>Regards
Niko
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr Tue Feb 10 13:17:13 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 14:17:13 +0100
Subject: [icecast] How to edit icecast.xml via SSH on Linux?
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Message-ID: <20040210131724.2DAF45329AD@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Hi Midhun,
Thanks for your answer; it's exactly what I needed. In fact I used to have a
monitor so I was doing all this kind of stuff with a graphical interface;
but now I have to do everything through SSH.
Thanks also the other persons who replied my email!
MAX
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Subject: Re: [icecast] How to edit icecast.xml via SSH on Linux?
Hi,
I dont know if I got the question right. It is simply straight forward.
*) Connect to the machine with ssh
*) Use an editor like vi/pico/nano/joe
Example :
$vi /etc/icecast.xml
$pico /etc/icecast.xml
Hope I didn't oversimplify the question.
Have fun,
Midhun Kumar Allu.
<p>On Mon, 2004-02-09 at 23:21, MacSym wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> I am connecting to my Icecast/Linux server via SSH because I don't have
any
> monitor for my server yet. So I have a simple question for all Linux
> specialists: how can I edit the icecast.xml file trough SSH?
>
> Sorry if my question is more related to Linux than Icecast but I know a
lot
> of people participating to this list is using Linux!
>
> Thanks in advance!
>
> MAX
>
>
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From enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Tue Feb 10 12:28:18 2004
From: enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Enrico Minack)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:28:18 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Ices0 & Icecast2
In-Reply-To: <20040210104357.D54DB49F08@mail.intellit.nl>
Message-ID: <006801c3efd1$5d3ce0e0$0864a8c0@desk>
> > > [2004-02-09 22:16:10] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
(/)
> > > attempted to login with invalid or missing password
> > > [2004-02-09 22:16:11] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
> > > logging in at mountpoint "/"
> > You probably have it configured to use the wrong protocol.
> And what changes should I make then? I didn't know icecast uses more then
> 1 protocol?
there are 3 protocols: HTTP, ICY and XAUDIOCAST.
HTTP should be the one working with icecast2
Enrico
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From Jeroen.Geusebroek at intellit.nl Tue Feb 10 12:11:46 2004
From: Jeroen.Geusebroek at intellit.nl (Jeroen Geusebroek)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 13:11:46 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Ices0 & Icecast2
In-Reply-To: <20040210104357.D54DB49F08@mail.intellit.nl>
Message-ID: <20040210121203.7B3E849F08@mail.intellit.nl>
> And what changes should I make then? I didn't know icecast uses more then
> 1 protocol?
Ok I figured it out. I didn't know it was possible for ices to use a XML
config. When I changed the ices configuration and used HTTP as
authentication protocol it worked like a charm.
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Tue Feb 10 14:11:59 2004
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:11:59 +0100
Subject: [icecast] How to edit icecast.xml via SSH on Linux?
In-Reply-To: <20040210131724.2DAF45329AD@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Message-ID: <4028E6AF.2070302@folkwang-hochschule.de>
MacSym wrote:
> Hi Midhun,
>
> Thanks for your answer; it's exactly what I needed. In fact I used to have a
> monitor so I was doing all this kind of stuff with a graphical interface;
> but now I have to do everything through SSH.
>
btw, if the machine without the monitor has an xserver installed,
you can even start graphical applications and see the output on the
monitor of the other machine:
user at boxwithscreen:~> ssh -X user at boxwithoutscreen
[...]
user at boxwithoutscreen:~> xosview &
after a couple of seconds, the window should pop up on your screen.
(don't use this on slow links, such as a modem, but LAN is fine.)
regards,
<p>j?rn
<p>
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Tue Feb 10 18:30:53 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 04:30:53 +1000
Subject: [icecast] hide status.xsl ?
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Hi:
Make sure the file you are modifying is the one in your webroot. Also, I
*think* there's some caching of stats (not sure) so give it a bit of time
to work, and also be sure to refresh your browser so that it's not say
pulling it out of some cache or proxy.
Geoff.
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From kerry.cox at ksl.com Tue Feb 10 19:18:54 2004
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 10 Feb 2004 12:18:54 -0700
Subject: [icecast] MB soundcards and PCI soundcards
In-Reply-To: <4028AA2E.8010100@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <1076440734.11533.59.camel@quasi.ksl.com>
Jorn,
Yep, I checked all tose variables, and have tried installing things in
different manners. But this is something I am seeing on multiple
machines.
I can get one or the other to work just fine with normal Linux audio. I
will also look into subscribing to the linux audio list.
Fuinny that icecast is having problems only seeing the input on the PCI
card.
Haven't had a chance to really test out alsa. Perhaps it is time :-)
I'll keep looking into this.
I will be updating my FAQ pretty soon. I need to mention the latest
icecast-2.0.0 release and also update the section on darkice.
Thanks.
KJ
<p>On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 02:53, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> this is almost certainly a driver or device mapping issue. the
> answer depends on whether you use alsa or oss.
>
> if you're using oss: use alsa :)
> if you're using alsa: are both cards correctly installed? what does
> aplay -l say? what does lsmod | grep snd say?
> have you specified the correct device to use? depending on your
> installation, the onboard sound chip might be set to be the default
> device.
>
> btw, for all questions related to linux audio, may i invite you to
> the linux-audio-user list at
> http://linuxaudiodev.org/subscribelau.php3 ?
> many people there use multiple soundcards (i've been doing so
> without problems for years), and will be able to help you with
> distro-specific stuff (i don't run rh, so i can't help you there.)
> since this is a cross-platform list, os-specific driver issues won't
> be of much use to many readers anyway...
>
> regards,
>
> j??rn
>
> btw, many thanks for your excellent howto. it helped me a great deal
> with a webcast of the linux audio developers' conference last year
> (http://linuxaudiodev.org/eventszkm2003.php3). kudos!
>
> Kerry Cox wrote:
> > Here's a problem that I have uncovered on two entriely separate machines
> > using the latest icecast2 and ices2 software. Even when the onboard
> > soundcard is disabled, the PCI soundcard (which has been both a Creative
> > Live! and an Ensoniq soundcard) is unable to accept input or stdin
> > audio.
> > If I enable the onboard soundcard everything works well and I can stream
> > audio using icecast and ices. But using the PCI soundcard with the
> > onboard card disabled, no input is detected.
> > I have tested this so far on only RH9 with the latest updates.
> > Has anyone else come across this, and if so, how did they fix this? Not
> > a big issue, but I would like to use the nicer soundcards rather than
> > the built-in cards.
> > Thanks.
> > KJ
> >
> >
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From niko at skoid.org Tue Feb 10 19:54:55 2004
From: niko at skoid.org (niko at skoid.org)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 20:54:55 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [icecast] hide status.xsl ?
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Hi
> Make sure the file you are modifying is the one in your webroot. Also,
> I *think* there's some caching of stats (not sure) so give it a bit of
> time to work, and also be sure to refresh your browser so that it's not
> say pulling it out of some cache or proxy.
I'm sure the file I have modified is the one of the webroot (web directory)
And I've refreshed..
I hope this is ssth like a cache or something like that =)
<p>Is anyone else have an idea or can't remove the status page..
<p><p>>
> Geoff.
<p>Niko
>
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From speedwolf at door.net Tue Feb 10 21:07:41 2004
From: speedwolf at door.net (Bryan Payne)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 15:07:41 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Oddsock u there?
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Message-ID: <020c01c3f019$ebc46070$7501a8c0@spacialici1s1d>
Yo Oddsock,
Could not finmd a e-mail for ya but need to chat with you real quickly!
Can you give me a call at the number in my sig below or mail me a Tele# ?
Thanks!
Bryan Payne
Spacial Audio Solutions
806-549-1085
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From fs at chili23.de Tue Feb 10 23:36:55 2004
From: fs at chili23.de (Frank Schubert)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 00:36:55 +0100
Subject: [icecast] mp3-streaming client for icecast2
Message-ID: <40296B17.2030905@chili23.de>
Hi!
I'm looking for a streaming client for the icecast2-server. It should
just feed mp3-files from a playlist to the icecast2-server. The old
shout doesn't work:
hout -P a -e 8000 -x -p /big/m3u/list.m3u
=>
[3:21] Size: 3231748 Bitrate: 128000 (41432 bytes/dot)
[Server error: [HTTP/1.0 401 Authentication Required ]
WWW-Authenticate: Basic realm="Icecast2 Server"
Shout should do a http-login with user "source" I bet, but it cannot.
Also ices-0.3 doesn't work:
/usr/local/bin/ices -F /music/m3u/list.m3u -P a
=>
Logfile opened
Playing /music/mp3l/Bloodhound Gang/Hooray/18 Bloodhound Gang - Along
Comes Mary.mp3
Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices, error:
Login failed
Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices, error:
Login failed
Is there a simple client that can stream mp3-files to icecast2.
Thank you so much.
Sincerely
Frank
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From arc at xiph.org Tue Feb 10 23:45:11 2004
From: arc at xiph.org (Arc Riley)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:45:11 -0500
Subject: [icecast] mp3-streaming client for icecast2
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On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 12:36:55AM +0100, Frank Schubert wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I'm looking for a streaming client for the icecast2-server. It should
> just feed mp3-files from a playlist to the icecast2-server. The old
> shout doesn't work:
>
> shout -P a -e 8000 -x -p /big/m3u/list.m3u
<p>you're looking for ices0. see www.icecast.org.
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From noskule at gmx.net Wed Feb 11 00:29:19 2004
From: noskule at gmx.net (noskule)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 01:29:19 +0100 (MET)
Subject: [icecast] [newbe -question]
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hi list
. .i did try to setup icecast . . .for a audioinstallation. . .. . worked
very good on the local network with 3 computer. The reason wy I post is: iI
have to find out what dimenson of server i have to get to realise the
following:
I have 6 computers maximum witch should be able to send 3 streams to
icecast . .they are the source . .the same computers should receive 1 to 5 streams
of that what the icecastserver is broadcasting. The software I`m using is
pd(www.pure-data.org) . . ..so the question is . .. .works this with a single
computer 2500 amd . .. .? . . and is there any trick to lower the latency . .
. .
thanx nos
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From msmith at xiph.org Wed Feb 11 00:42:36 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:42:36 +1100
Subject: [icecast] hide status.xsl ?
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On Wednesday 11 February 2004 00:06, niko at skoid.org wrote:
> Hi
>
> I would like to hide the status.xsl page from my icecast server (or change
> the location of the file)
> I've tried to rename it in the web/ diectory, but it is always at
> myserver:port/status.xsl..
> If i delete it, this is the same..
> Does someone know what I would have to do ton don't have this file ?
>
If you move it to a different name that ends with .xsl, it'll be available
under that name. If you move it to some other name, it won't be available. If
you delete it, it won't be available.
I have no idea how you could be seeing it after you've removed it - it's not
possible as far as I can tell. There's nothing special about the 'status.xsl'
name.
Mike
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From msmith at xiph.org Wed Feb 11 00:45:53 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:45:53 +1100
Subject: [icecast] mp3-streaming client for icecast2
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On Wednesday 11 February 2004 10:36, Frank Schubert wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I'm looking for a streaming client for the icecast2-server. It should
> just feed mp3-files from a playlist to the icecast2-server. The old
> shout doesn't work:
>
> shout -P a -e 8000 -x -p /big/m3u/list.m3u
>
> =>
> [3:21] Size: 3231748 Bitrate: 128000 (41432 bytes/dot)
> [Server error: [HTTP/1.0 401 Authentication Required ]
> WWW-Authenticate: Basic realm="Icecast2 Server"
>
> Shout should do a http-login with user "source" I bet, but it cannot.
>
Shout never worked right. Don't use it.
> Also ices-0.3 doesn't work:
>
> /usr/local/bin/ices -F /music/m3u/list.m3u -P a
>
> =>
> Logfile opened
> Playing /music/mp3l/Bloodhound Gang/Hooray/18 Bloodhound Gang - Along
> Comes Mary.mp3
> Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices, error:
> Login failed
> Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices, error:
> Login failed
>
> Is there a simple client that can stream mp3-files to icecast2.
ices 0.3 does work. You have it misconfigured.
Mike
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From oddsock at oddsock.org Wed Feb 11 00:47:58 2004
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 18:47:58 -0600
Subject: [icecast] mp3-streaming client for icecast2
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At 05:45 PM 2/10/2004, you wrote:
>On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 12:36:55AM +0100, Frank Schubert wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I'm looking for a streaming client for the icecast2-server. It should
> > just feed mp3-files from a playlist to the icecast2-server. The old
> > shout doesn't work:
> >
> > shout -P a -e 8000 -x -p /big/m3u/list.m3u
>
>
>you're looking for ices0. see www.icecast.org.
or ezstream, the shout replacement http://www.icecast.org/ezstream.php
oddsock
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From hoodibaba at comcast.net Wed Feb 11 04:11:02 2004
From: hoodibaba at comcast.net (Midhun Kumar Allu)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:11:02 -0700
Subject: [icecast] mp3-streaming client for icecast2
In-Reply-To: <200402111145.53165.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <1076472662.7389.3.camel@Almaroro>
Hi,
Just check if the ices you are using is indeed ices-0.3. If you use
ices-2.0 to stream you get a similar message.
ices-0.3 should run off the box.
Hope this helps.
Midhun Kumar Allu
<p>On Tue, 2004-02-10 at 17:45, Michael Smith wrote:
> On Wednesday 11 February 2004 10:36, Frank Schubert wrote:
> > Hi!
> >
> > I'm looking for a streaming client for the icecast2-server. It should
> > just feed mp3-files from a playlist to the icecast2-server. The old
> > shout doesn't work:
> >
> > shout -P a -e 8000 -x -p /big/m3u/list.m3u
> >
> > =>
> > [3:21] Size: 3231748 Bitrate: 128000 (41432 bytes/dot)
> > [Server error: [HTTP/1.0 401 Authentication Required ]
> > WWW-Authenticate: Basic realm="Icecast2 Server"
> >
> > Shout should do a http-login with user "source" I bet, but it cannot.
> >
>
> Shout never worked right. Don't use it.
>
> > Also ices-0.3 doesn't work:
> >
> > /usr/local/bin/ices -F /music/m3u/list.m3u -P a
> >
> > =>
> > Logfile opened
> > Playing /music/mp3l/Bloodhound Gang/Hooray/18 Bloodhound Gang - Along
> > Comes Mary.mp3
> > Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices, error:
> > Login failed
> > Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices, error:
> > Login failed
> >
> > Is there a simple client that can stream mp3-files to icecast2.
>
> ices 0.3 does work. You have it misconfigured.
>
> Mike
>
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From kevinw at houston.rr.com Wed Feb 11 03:21:48 2004
From: kevinw at houston.rr.com (Kevin White)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 21:21:48 -0600
Subject: [icecast] mp3-streaming client for icecast2
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Does EZStream have a problem with file names that include spaces (Am I just
too new to linux???)????
At 06:47 PM 2/10/2004 -0600, you wrote:
>At 05:45 PM 2/10/2004, you wrote:
>>On Wed, Feb 11, 2004 at 12:36:55AM +0100, Frank Schubert wrote:
>> > Hi!
>> >
>> > I'm looking for a streaming client for the icecast2-server. It should
>> > just feed mp3-files from a playlist to the icecast2-server. The old
>> > shout doesn't work:
>> >
>> > shout -P a -e 8000 -x -p /big/m3u/list.m3u
>>
>>
>>you're looking for ices0. see www.icecast.org.
>
>or ezstream, the shout replacement http://www.icecast.org/ezstream.php
>
>oddsock
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From jrgalan at yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 07:02:43 2004
From: jrgalan at yahoo.com (jensen galan)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:02:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] how to get "now playing"
Message-ID: <20040211070243.76138.qmail@web40909.mail.yahoo.com>
greetings!
i'd like to incorporate a "now playing" section on my
web page (links to the icecast2 server)
i'm guessing i have to get the <xsl:value-of
select="artist" /> and <xsl:value-of select="title" />
tags from the status.xsl file. not sure what else
needs to be coded into the index.html file to get this
info.
can anybody point me in the right direction?
thanks,
jg
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From jrgalan at yahoo.com Wed Feb 11 07:03:14 2004
From: jrgalan at yahoo.com (jensen galan)
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2004 23:03:14 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] how to get "now playing"
Message-ID: <20040211070314.87264.qmail@web40907.mail.yahoo.com>
greetings!
i'd like to incorporate a "now playing" section on my
web page (links to the icecast2 server)
i'm guessing i have to get the <xsl:value-of
select="artist" /> and <xsl:value-of select="title" />
tags from the status.xsl file. not sure what else
needs to be coded into the index.html file to get this
info.
can anybody point me in the right direction?
thanks,
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From dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de Wed Feb 11 07:58:06 2004
From: dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de (Thomas B. Ruecker, DM8TBR)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 08:58:06 +0100
Subject: [icecast] how to get "now playing"
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Message-ID: <007e01c3f074$c9468360$c800a8c0@puck>
Hi
> i'd like to incorporate a "now playing" section on my
> web page (links to the icecast2 server)
nice idea. ;)
> i'm guessing i have to get the <xsl:value-of
> select="artist" /> and <xsl:value-of select="title" />
> tags from the status.xsl file. not sure what else
> needs to be coded into the index.html file to get this
> info.
Correct guess.
My xslt-sheet looks like this:
<xsl:stylesheet xmlns:xsl = "http://www.w3.org/1999/XSL/Transform" version = "1.0" >
<xsl:output method="text" indent="yes" />
<xsl:template match = "/icestats" >
<xsl:for-each select="source">
<xsl:if test="@mount='/test.ogg'">
<xsl:value-of select="artist" /> - <xsl:value-of select="title" />
</xsl:if>
</xsl:for-each>
</xsl:template>
</xsl:stylesheet>
This (text/plain) page containing only one line of text is then read by an flash-applet & included by a php-page.
You could of course place an frame/i-frame in your index.html to have the users browser make the "lookup". Then you need to make the output method "html" and make some nice formatting that suits your needs.
Regards
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From mrakotom at free.fr Wed Feb 11 08:03:38 2004
From: mrakotom at free.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 09:03:38 +0100
Subject: [icecast] mp3-streaming client for icecast2
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Message-ID: <200402110903.38417.mrakotom@free.fr>
On Wednesday 11 February 2004 04:21, Kevin White wrote:
> Does EZStream have a problem with file names that include spaces (Am I just
> too new to linux???)????
just quote the filename ...
"like this" ....
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From fs at chili23.de Wed Feb 11 10:09:20 2004
From: fs at chili23.de (Frank Schubert)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:09:20 +0100
Subject: [icecast] mp3-streaming client for icecast2
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Michael Smith wrote:
...
> ices 0.3 does work. You have it misconfigured.
>
> Mike
yes, I had no ices.xml-file and no
<Protocol>http</Protocol>
OK, the party can begin :)
Thanks!
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From mrakotom at free.fr Wed Feb 11 10:49:57 2004
From: mrakotom at free.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 11:49:57 +0100
Subject: [icecast] hide status.xsl ?
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On Tuesday 10 February 2004 20:54, niko at skoid.org wrote:
> Is anyone else have an idea or can't remove the status page..
If I edit mine , the changes takes effect imediatly ... i dont know what's
hapening to yourserver ... what OS are you runing it on ?
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From vuvis at hotmail.com Wed Feb 11 16:05:50 2004
From: vuvis at hotmail.com (v b)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 16:05:50 +0000
Subject: [icecast] On demand relay in icecast 2?
Message-ID: <Sea2-F16MIO5pt4gVvp00022336@hotmail.com>
I'm using this on icecat 1.3.12 but it doesn't seem to work with icecast
2.0.0. The relay starts as soon as icecast is started and does not drop,
even if there are no clients. I've been over and over the docs and can't
figure out what I'm doing wrong.
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From rcruz at wild-spain.com Wed Feb 11 12:57:01 2004
From: rcruz at wild-spain.com (Raúl Wild-Spain)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:57:01 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Q: Is it possible?
Message-ID: <005b01c3f09e$8bb50060$9adf93c1@fundacio.urv.es>
Hi from spain! (sorry, I speak only a little english)
I collaborate with an spanish NGO and we're planning to set up an Internet radio station. I would like to base our project on linux and Icecast / liveice (right?) but I don't understand some terms of "radio" practices. I need your experience&help;
the project should cover the following scenarios:
* A broadcast server on spain with a local speaker
* A broadcast server on spain and remote speaker (possibly through long distances. For example, the broadcast on spain and the speaker from Honduras )
* A broadcast server on spain and remote collaboration with some speakers ( the local speaker collaborating on the same program with differents and remote speakers )
It's difficult for me thinking about 2d and 3d scenarios. I understand a broadcast and "local" speaker with one ice streamer client, but, are possible long distances between broadcast server and streamer client? Another options (to compare)?. And what about "to mix" different speakers "around the world" (on the same program)?
Is possible to accomplish these options with linux/Icecast/liveice(or iceS). What do you think about this?
Best best regards,
;-))
Ra?l Cruz Carmona
rcruz at wild-spain.com
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Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 13:56:06 -0500
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From enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Wed Feb 11 19:00:25 2004
From: enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Enrico Minack)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 20:00:25 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Q: Is it possible?
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Hi Ra?l,
interesting project ;-) So this is what I would recommend. For a number of
remote speakers (1 or more) it would make sence to mix them together in the
studio the local speaker is located. All remote speakers could mount as a
source at the broadcast server (shouldn't be a problem to have a bigger
distance between them). Other way would be to have a icecast server at each
remote speaker's location.
However, a PC could play these streams from the broadcast server on a number
of soundcards and the output of them is put into an analog mixer where the
local speaker can control the volume and can listen into the stream without
broadcasting. The main audio output from this mixer goes into the broadcast
server which creates the final stream.
This is how we make live broadcast from remote venues.
I hope I could help some,
Enrico M.
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From rcruz at wild-spain.com Wed Feb 11 22:03:21 2004
From: rcruz at wild-spain.com (Raúl Wild-Spain)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:03:21 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Q: Is it possible?
In-Reply-To: <013e01c3f0d1$4ed922b0$0864a8c0@desk>
Message-ID: <004201c3f0ea$dd9ad070$36036650@kinetic>
wow, Enrico ... it's a great help ;-)
I comment:
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From: "Enrico Minack" <enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [icecast] Q: Is it possible?
<p>> Hi Ra?l,
>
> interesting project ;-) So this is what I would recommend. For a number of
> remote speakers (1 or more) it would make sence to mix them together in
the
> studio the local speaker is located.
>All remote speakers could mount as a
> source at the broadcast server (shouldn't be a problem to have a bigger
> distance between them).
Ok, the first is more or less what I thought (and what i need), mix them
together in the "local" studio (where will exist the broadcast server,too)
mmm ... but I confused with "... mount as a source at the broadcast
server...". Do you refer each remote location will have an streamer client
(pc) to send their signal (through Inet) to the broadcast server? or another
way?
<p>>Other way would be to have a icecast server at each
> remote speaker's location.
They want only a central broadcast server for controlling and planning the
kind of programs (and to mount them).
> However, a PC could play these streams from the broadcast server on a
number
> of soundcards and the output of them is put into an analog mixer where the
> local speaker can control the volume and can listen into the stream
without
> broadcasting. The main audio output from this mixer goes into the
broadcast
> server which creates the final stream.
OK.. I'm digesting ;-)) ...
... and analyzing ...
* I will have a broadcast server (bcs).
* this bcs will have various soundcards (n +1 -> N speakers + 1 final mix)
* the output of each soundcard is put into the analog mixer.
* the remote clients will send the signal to the bcs (through liveice?) .
* these channels will be received by bcs (and not broadcasted) and will
output them to the analog mixer (one channel per soundcard).
* The local speaker (or producer) will mix all and will send the results to
the bcs.
* the result will be broadcasted ...
right?
More doubts:
- about soundcards: are important terms like "latency 0"?or MP3 decoding by
hardware?, do you know RME digi9336? can you recommend me any soundcard?
- Do you know if it is possible to control an MP3 file list manually
( for example if someone want to launch these files one by one and on demand
while mix the rest of remote channels - it could be another pc playing as a
MP3 server ... )
- the rule 1 soundcard = 1 remote speaker isn't fixed, right?. If the number
of speakers grows I will have some way to mix various sources to the same
soundcard. yes?
one bcs routing various "channels" to each soundcard is possible with one
icecast server or I will need N icecast servers on the same machine?
>
> This is how we make live broadcast from remote venues.
then it's all guaranteed !!! ;-))
>
> I hope I could help some,
> Enrico M.
It has already been a great help,
;-))
>
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From niko at skoid.org Wed Feb 11 22:38:17 2004
From: niko at skoid.org (niko at skoid.org)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:38:17 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [icecast] On demand relay in icecast 2?
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Hi
<p>What error do you have with icecast2 ?
<p>N
> I'm using this on icecat 1.3.12 but it doesn't seem to work with
> icecast 2.0.0. The relay starts as soon as icecast is started and does
> not drop, even if there are no clients. I've been over and over the
> docs and can't figure out what I'm doing wrong.
>
> vb
>
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr Wed Feb 11 22:58:25 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 2004 23:58:25 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Q: Is it possible?
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Hi Raul,
Here is how I would set it up to answer your scenarios:
-One Icecast server in Spain.
-One source in Spain
-One source in Honduras
-One source in Guatemala (for example)
...
I would reserve a mountpoint for each one of these sources:
-Spain = my_radio.mp3 (Your listeners will listen to this mountpoint ONLY)
-Honduras = Honduras.mp3
-Guatemala = Guatemala.mp3
...
Let's say you use Winamp/Oddcast as source clients. If, you want to
broadcast a live from Honduras, you won't ask your listeners to switch to
"Honduras.mp3" so you have to set up your Spanish source (Winamp/Oddcast) to
listen to "Honduras.mp3" and resend the stream to "my_radio.mp3". In this
way, there will be a smooth transition between the Spanish and the Honduran
sources because the final user will always listen to "my_radio.mp3" (not
Honduras.mp3 or Guatemala.mp3).
Also, if you want to listen to several sources without broadcasting it on a
single computer, you don't necessarily need several soundcards. You can run
more than one instance of Winamp/Oddcast and use a silent output plugin
(attached to this mail). In this way, the audio pipeline is managed by
software and not hardware.
I don't know if it's the best solution, but I am just suggesting.
Saludos de Barcelona,
(?Yo tambien escribo desde Espa?a!)
MAX
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Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 11:03 PM
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Subject: Re: [icecast] Q: Is it possible?
wow, Enrico ... it's a great help ;-)
I comment:
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From: "Enrico Minack" <enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [icecast] Q: Is it possible?
<p>> Hi Ra?l,
>
> interesting project ;-) So this is what I would recommend. For a number of
> remote speakers (1 or more) it would make sence to mix them together in
the
> studio the local speaker is located.
>All remote speakers could mount as a
> source at the broadcast server (shouldn't be a problem to have a bigger
> distance between them).
Ok, the first is more or less what I thought (and what i need), mix them
together in the "local" studio (where will exist the broadcast server,too)
mmm ... but I confused with "... mount as a source at the broadcast
server...". Do you refer each remote location will have an streamer client
(pc) to send their signal (through Inet) to the broadcast server? or another
way?
<p>>Other way would be to have a icecast server at each
> remote speaker's location.
They want only a central broadcast server for controlling and planning the
kind of programs (and to mount them).
> However, a PC could play these streams from the broadcast server on a
number
> of soundcards and the output of them is put into an analog mixer where the
> local speaker can control the volume and can listen into the stream
without
> broadcasting. The main audio output from this mixer goes into the
broadcast
> server which creates the final stream.
OK.. I'm digesting ;-)) ...
... and analyzing ...
* I will have a broadcast server (bcs).
* this bcs will have various soundcards (n +1 -> N speakers + 1 final mix)
* the output of each soundcard is put into the analog mixer.
* the remote clients will send the signal to the bcs (through liveice?) .
* these channels will be received by bcs (and not broadcasted) and will
output them to the analog mixer (one channel per soundcard).
* The local speaker (or producer) will mix all and will send the results to
the bcs.
* the result will be broadcasted ...
right?
More doubts:
- about soundcards: are important terms like "latency 0"?or MP3 decoding by
hardware?, do you know RME digi9336? can you recommend me any soundcard?
- Do you know if it is possible to control an MP3 file list manually
( for example if someone want to launch these files one by one and on demand
while mix the rest of remote channels - it could be another pc playing as a
MP3 server ... )
- the rule 1 soundcard = 1 remote speaker isn't fixed, right?. If the number
of speakers grows I will have some way to mix various sources to the same
soundcard. yes?
one bcs routing various "channels" to each soundcard is possible with one
icecast server or I will need N icecast servers on the same machine?
>
> This is how we make live broadcast from remote venues.
then it's all guaranteed !!! ;-))
>
> I hope I could help some,
> Enrico M.
It has already been a great help,
;-))
>
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From enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Wed Feb 11 23:29:10 2004
From: enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Enrico Minack)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 00:29:10 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Q: Is it possible?
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Message-ID: <016601c3f0f6$da64b540$0864a8c0@desk>
Hey Ra?l,
> ... and analyzing ...
> * I will have a broadcast server (bcs).
> * this bcs will have various soundcards (n +1 -> N speakers + 1 final mix)
> * the output of each soundcard is put into the analog mixer.
> * the remote clients will send the signal to the bcs (through liveice?) .
> * these channels will be received by bcs (and not broadcasted) and will
> output them to the analog mixer (one channel per soundcard).
> * The local speaker (or producer) will mix all and will send the results
to
> the bcs.
> * the result will be broadcasted ...
exactly what I meant! :)
Concerning your questions regarding soundcards I can't give you any helpful
advice.
Do you want to broadcast the remote speakers one by one or all of them
together? If one by one you need just 1 soundcard, one for 'playing' the
remote speaker and 'recording' it together with the local speaker (Microphon
in). This can be done by one soundcard (captering master).
> You can run
> more than one instance of Winamp/Oddcast and use a silent output plugin
> (attached to this mail). In this way, the audio pipeline is managed by
> software and not hardware.
yeah, this also sounds like a good solution, but on the screen you can just
fade one chanel at a time (one mouse), at a mixer you can fade both
smoothly. Having several sources (Microphone, MP3, CD-Player, ...) it is
good to mix them analog.
Enrico
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From msmith at xiph.org Thu Feb 12 00:31:35 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:31:35 +1100
Subject: [icecast] On demand relay in icecast 2?
In-Reply-To: <Sea2-F16MIO5pt4gVvp00022336@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <200402121131.35688.msmith@xiph.org>
On Thursday 12 February 2004 03:05, v b wrote:
> I'm using this on icecat 1.3.12 but it doesn't seem to work with icecast
> 2.0.0. The relay starts as soon as icecast is started and does not drop,
> even if there are no clients. I've been over and over the docs and can't
> figure out what I'm doing wrong.
>
Icecast2 does not currently support on-demand relaying.
Mike
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From vuvis at hotmail.com Thu Feb 12 02:00:17 2004
From: vuvis at hotmail.com (v b)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 02:00:17 +0000
Subject: [icecast] On demand relay in icecast 2?
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] On demand relay in icecast 2?>
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>On Thursday 12 February 2004 03:05, v b wrote:
> > I'm using this on icecat 1.3.12 but it doesn't seem to work with icecast
> > 2.0.0. The relay starts as soon as icecast is started and does not drop,
> > even if there are no clients. I've been over and over the docs and can't
> > figure out what I'm doing wrong.
> >
>On Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:31:35 Michael Smith <msmith at xiph.org> wrote:
>
>Icecast2 does not currently support on-demand relaying.
>
>Mike
>
Ahh...well, that would explain it. Pity, I've felt that was one of the best
features of Icecast. Hope it gets added soon. Continue to use 1.3.12 I
guess. Thanks very much for the response.
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From rcruz at wild-spain.com Thu Feb 12 10:00:51 2004
From: rcruz at wild-spain.com (Raúl Wild-Spain)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 11:00:51 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Q: Is it possible?
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Hola Mac (qu? bien, un espa?ol ;-) )
> I would reserve a mountpoint for each one of these sources:
>-Spain = my_radio.mp3 (Your listeners will listen to this mountpoint ONLY)
>-Honduras = Honduras.mp3
>-Guatemala = Guatemala.mp3
Ok, it's seemed to my conversation with Eric. My Bc server will receive N sources, mix them and broadcast the final results, but I see some differences (or doubts cause my inexperience on audio streaming, I'm sure)
I thought that an streaming scenario was basically:
* A broadcast server (icecast server)
* A source (liveice, iceS ... )
* some receivers (WinAmp)
Translated to this project:
* Bc server with icecast server (independent of the final signal treatment - analog, digital - ... )
* N speakers around the world, each one with your microphone and your liveice station, ready to speak live.
* many many people with WinAmp and ready to enjoy this radio ;-)
I confused with "you use Winamp/Oddcast as source clients". Do you refer WinAmp can work as liveice? or related to your latest comments, too, "You can run more than one instance of Winamp/Oddcast and use a silent output plugin". Do you refer each speaker (honduras, caracas, barcelona) must to have a bc server too, and into the central studio I must to have various Winamp to listen each remote server for to mix and to resend the result to the central broadcast server?
returning to my first mail the more "strange" scenario could be a program with N remote collaborations. More than one speaker live on the same program, one in honduras, one in madrid, one in caracas ... bcause the people that will work in this project (the speakers at the central studio) come from a "traditional" radio world and they like to have an analog mixer to control the faders and the collaborations live , my idea was to set up an "easy" way to afford their daily work. The more easy way for them could be to have an analog mixer with N inputs, one for the principal speaker, one for each remote speaker, the stereo channels for music files, the master output (to the bc server)...
In this way, I can assume that in an input channel (analog mixer) I can attach pre-mixed sources with your method (although still I haven't understood it well :-( ) so I could to pre-mix the remote speakers to one stereo input channel to the analog mixer. it's ok?, so this means that now I will need:
* 1 card for all the remote speakers (to pre-mix and reserve only 1 stereo input line)
* the rest will be mixed live directly on the analog mixer (music files, principal speaker ... )
* All the remote speakers will have a microphone and a pc station (previous doubts Winamp vs liveice)
* Even so if i need I can "associate" one source with one card (only forecast) and send the signal to one input channel.
OK?
I like it .. this world is very very interesting
very very thanks, Mac and Enrico
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Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 11:58 PM
Subject: RE: [icecast] Q: Is it possible?
<p>Hi Raul,
Here is how I would set it up to answer your scenarios:
-One Icecast server in Spain.
-One source in Spain
-One source in Honduras
-One source in Guatemala (for example)
...
I would reserve a mountpoint for each one of these sources:
-Spain = my_radio.mp3 (Your listeners will listen to this mountpoint ONLY)
-Honduras = Honduras.mp3
-Guatemala = Guatemala.mp3
...
Let's say you use Winamp/Oddcast as source clients. If, you want to
broadcast a live from Honduras, you won't ask your listeners to switch to
"Honduras.mp3" so you have to set up your Spanish source (Winamp/Oddcast) to
listen to "Honduras.mp3" and resend the stream to "my_radio.mp3". In this
way, there will be a smooth transition between the Spanish and the Honduran
sources because the final user will always listen to "my_radio.mp3" (not
Honduras.mp3 or Guatemala.mp3).
Also, if you want to listen to several sources without broadcasting it on a
single computer, you don't necessarily need several soundcards. You can run
more than one instance of Winamp/Oddcast and use a silent output plugin
(attached to this mail). In this way, the audio pipeline is managed by
software and not hardware.
I don't know if it's the best solution, but I am just suggesting.
Saludos de Barcelona,
(?Yo tambien escribo desde Espa?a!)
MAX
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Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 11:03 PM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [icecast] Q: Is it possible?
wow, Enrico ... it's a great help ;-)
I comment:
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Sent: Wednesday, February 11, 2004 8:00 PM
Subject: Re: [icecast] Q: Is it possible?
<p>> Hi Ra?l,
>
> interesting project ;-) So this is what I would recommend. For a number of
> remote speakers (1 or more) it would make sence to mix them together in
the
> studio the local speaker is located.
>All remote speakers could mount as a
> source at the broadcast server (shouldn't be a problem to have a bigger
> distance between them).
Ok, the first is more or less what I thought (and what i need), mix them
together in the "local" studio (where will exist the broadcast server,too)
mmm ... but I confused with "... mount as a source at the broadcast
server...". Do you refer each remote location will have an streamer client
(pc) to send their signal (through Inet) to the broadcast server? or another
way?
<p>>Other way would be to have a icecast server at each
> remote speaker's location.
They want only a central broadcast server for controlling and planning the
kind of programs (and to mount them).
> However, a PC could play these streams from the broadcast server on a
number
> of soundcards and the output of them is put into an analog mixer where the
> local speaker can control the volume and can listen into the stream
without
> broadcasting. The main audio output from this mixer goes into the
broadcast
> server which creates the final stream.
OK.. I'm digesting ;-)) ...
... and analyzing ...
* I will have a broadcast server (bcs).
* this bcs will have various soundcards (n +1 -> N speakers + 1 final mix)
* the output of each soundcard is put into the analog mixer.
* the remote clients will send the signal to the bcs (through liveice?) .
* these channels will be received by bcs (and not broadcasted) and will
output them to the analog mixer (one channel per soundcard).
* The local speaker (or producer) will mix all and will send the results to
the bcs.
* the result will be broadcasted ...
right?
More doubts:
- about soundcards: are important terms like "latency 0"?or MP3 decoding by
hardware?, do you know RME digi9336? can you recommend me any soundcard?
- Do you know if it is possible to control an MP3 file list manually
( for example if someone want to launch these files one by one and on demand
while mix the rest of remote channels - it could be another pc playing as a
MP3 server ... )
- the rule 1 soundcard = 1 remote speaker isn't fixed, right?. If the number
of speakers grows I will have some way to mix various sources to the same
soundcard. yes?
one bcs routing various "channels" to each soundcard is possible with one
icecast server or I will need N icecast servers on the same machine?
>
> This is how we make live broadcast from remote venues.
then it's all guaranteed !!! ;-))
>
> I hope I could help some,
> Enrico M.
It has already been a great help,
;-))
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From kerry.cox at ksl.com Thu Feb 12 15:57:08 2004
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 12 Feb 2004 08:57:08 -0700
Subject: [icecast] relaying using latest builds
Message-ID: <1076601428.27031.13.camel@quasi.ksl.com>
Does anyone have a working configuration of relaying using icecast-2.0.0
and ices-2.0-Beta4? Also, anyone using multiple streams from the master
server to the slave?
I had relaying and multiple streams working great using a CVS download
sometime ago and tried setting it up with the latest builds and it is
appears to work, but no sound is coming from the slave box. Also, some
of the syntax has changed.
Not sure if this is a bug or my audio card. I am able to set up single
streams and stream from each of the test machines. This works on two RH9
boxen and one Fedora box here at work as well as my test Fedora box at
home. Both live and playlist streaming works.
Just having problems getting multiple streams (one at 96kbps and the
other at 16kbps) and relaying to work.
I can post my prior configs and the new configs if anyone is interested.
Thanks.
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From Bryan.Walls at nasa.gov Thu Feb 12 20:04:55 2004
From: Bryan.Walls at nasa.gov (Bryan Walls)
Date: Thu, 12 Feb 2004 14:04:55 -0600
Subject: [icecast] MP3 push software?
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I'd like to relay content running on an icecast server to a Darwin
Streaming server.
Darwin doesn't have relay capability. Icecast can pull from one
server to make content available on another.
What are my options for grabbing a source at one server and sending
it on another without re-encoding?
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Fri Feb 13 02:39:38 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:39:38 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Q: Is it possible?
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Hi:
If you have a card like an SB Live, you could have all the remote streams
playing and use something like alsamixer to set the volumes of these
sources relative to each other, and then feed the lot through one mixer
channel on your mixer.
You will hit two problems though. The first is that you will need to have
a stream for remote participants to listen to. Finding a way to send the
local host plus all other remote parties but not their own voice out to
them will be tricky. If they can cope with hearing their own voice coming
back to them, or you can send them a mix where you can mute the remote feed
for them while they are talking, then perhaps you'll be OK.
The other problem you'll hit is latency. Not sure how much of a problem
this will be, it all depends on how much buffering both the source and
client programs use. If you're using MP3, you could use something like
mpg123 to play the remote streams, which uses very little buffering. But
it's possible that the latency will be too big to be workable. If you
could use speex with icecast or some other tool using speex for remotes,
then you'd be OK.
In fact, both these problems *could* be solved by using something like the
open H323 programs and using their conference server to connect everyone.
Pretty low latency and everyone would hear everyone else without hearing
themselves. The only bummer about open H323 is that I don't know how to
get the sampling rate any higher than 11khz, which is not really good
enough for broadcasting (IMHO).
BTW: AFAIK, you can't use liveice with icecast2, you can use darkice
though.
Geoff.
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From rcruz at wild-spain.com Fri Feb 13 08:40:52 2004
From: rcruz at wild-spain.com (Raúl Wild-Spain)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 09:40:52 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Q: Is it possible? / latency
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very thanks, Geoff, your comments are really important,
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From: "Geoff Shang" <gshang at pacific.net.au>
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Sent: Friday, February 13, 2004 3:39 AM
Subject: Re: [icecast] Q: Is it possible?
<p>> Hi:
>
> If you have a card like an SB Live, you could have all the remote streams
> playing and use something like alsamixer to set the volumes of these
> sources relative to each other, and then feed the lot through one mixer
> channel on your mixer.
OK. The only doubt I have about this; I always understood that pre-mixing must occurs into the broadcast server (or better on another pc listening these mountpoints?). I say, I will have mountpoints for each remote speaker and there will be a way to pre-mix and put them to the analog mixer. If I not mistake this can be translated as to have 1 winamp per mountpoint playing their source.mp3 and mixing on alsamixer... it's right or there are another and better way?
another doubt is:
How to send the final mix (from analog mixer) to the bc server? would be right to have a source client on the same machine where is installed icecast server to convert the final mix?
>
> You will hit two problems though. The first is that you will need to have
> a stream for remote participants to listen to. Finding a way to send the
> local host plus all other remote parties but not their own voice out to
> them will be tricky. If they can cope with hearing their own voice coming
> back to them, or you can send them a mix where you can mute the remote feed
> for them while they are talking, then perhaps you'll be OK.
>
> The other problem you'll hit is latency. Not sure how much of a problem
> this will be, it all depends on how much buffering both the source and
> client programs use. If you're using MP3, you could use something like
> mpg123 to play the remote streams, which uses very little buffering. But
> it's possible that the latency will be too big to be workable. If you
> could use speex with icecast or some other tool using speex for remotes,
> then you'd be OK.
> ....
Does someone know more about speex vs icecast?
I'm reading about speex and is very interesting. There are speex plugins for WinAmp and seems to be capable to sampling till 32Khz. Perhaps there would be a way to send (speex based) a final mix to all speakers ...
... how another Icecast-users achieve to solve this trouble today? returning "a mix" to a remote speaker and avoiding latency problems ... is not a common scenario? I'm the one? ;-)
best regards,
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From enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Fri Feb 13 11:00:26 2004
From: enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Enrico Minack)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:00:26 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Q: Is it possible?
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> You will hit two problems though. The first is that you will need to have
> a stream for remote participants to listen to.
Yeah, that's right. If you want the remote speakers to be able to listen to
the other speakers this becomes a little complicated. If you hear your own
voice with a latency more than 1/10 or 1/5 second it becomes very
distracting! This latency really is a problem.
And mixing a certain signal for every remote speaker also means a huge
effort. And you need to decode each of this signal, which means you need to
create N MP3 streams, that's a lot of CPU laod.
But the remote Users don't need to hear the local speaker in 128kBit
quality, therefore you could establish a H323 session with all remote
speakers and the local speaker in it (if H323 works with multiple clients,
I'm not sure). This can be in low quality. Everybody can hear the other
speakers and vice versa. For broadcasting, the high quality signal from each
remote speaker is send to the studio (just one direction).
Here are pictures of the two layers, layer 1 is the icecast MP3-stream,
layer 2 is the H323 RTP-stream:
http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~mie/layer_1.gif
http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~mie/layer_2.gif
But I doubt that 2 programs (ices and the H323 software) can capture the
microphone channel of one soundcard simultaniously. Maybe there are
technologies out there to grant multiple access (I am sure there is),
otherwise two soundcards and two mics at each remote speaker location would
be necessary :-(
Well, this is getting quite complex ;-) I love it, though!
Enrico
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From enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Fri Feb 13 11:11:16 2004
From: enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Enrico Minack)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:11:16 +0100
Subject: [icecast] MP3 push software?
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> What are my options for grabbing a source at one server and sending
> it on another without re-encoding?
find a client for icecast (mpg123, wget, fetch, ...), put the content to
standard out, find a source for darwin (sorry, I don't know any) and let it
use the standard in.
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From rcruz at wild-spain.com Fri Feb 13 13:50:09 2004
From: rcruz at wild-spain.com (Raúl Wild-Spain)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 14:50:09 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Q: Is it possible?
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oh!, very good graphics. These solve enough of my doubts about "practices". Very thanks Enrico.
Well, according to H323 graphic, it will be necessary to establish N to (N-1) channels on each speaker ... or it seems. In any case I must to read about H323 a Mega-bit more ... ;-))
I suppose today someone must have solved this problem and it must exist some solution ... and open solution ;-)
I hope ...
best regards,
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<p>> > You will hit two problems though. The first is that you will need to have
> > a stream for remote participants to listen to.
> Yeah, that's right. If you want the remote speakers to be able to listen to
> the other speakers this becomes a little complicated. If you hear your own
> voice with a latency more than 1/10 or 1/5 second it becomes very
> distracting! This latency really is a problem.
>
> And mixing a certain signal for every remote speaker also means a huge
> effort. And you need to decode each of this signal, which means you need to
> create N MP3 streams, that's a lot of CPU laod.
>
> But the remote Users don't need to hear the local speaker in 128kBit
> quality, therefore you could establish a H323 session with all remote
> speakers and the local speaker in it (if H323 works with multiple clients,
> I'm not sure). This can be in low quality. Everybody can hear the other
> speakers and vice versa. For broadcasting, the high quality signal from each
> remote speaker is send to the studio (just one direction).
>
> Here are pictures of the two layers, layer 1 is the icecast MP3-stream,
> layer 2 is the H323 RTP-stream:
> http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~mie/layer_1.gif
> http://www-user.tu-chemnitz.de/~mie/layer_2.gif
>
> But I doubt that 2 programs (ices and the H323 software) can capture the
> microphone channel of one soundcard simultaniously. Maybe there are
> technologies out there to grant multiple access (I am sure there is),
> otherwise two soundcards and two mics at each remote speaker location would
> be necessary :-(
>
> Well, this is getting quite complex ;-) I love it, though!
>
> Enrico
>
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From Bryan.Walls at nasa.gov Fri Feb 13 18:43:50 2004
From: Bryan.Walls at nasa.gov (Bryan Walls)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 12:43:50 -0600
Subject: [icecast] MP3 push software?
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wget might be the things to pick up the stream. What just puts a
stream out in icecast1 format (that's what Darwin needs).
Will the old ices work for that? I tried to compile ices (after
installing libshout). I keep getting that /usr/bin/pkg-config
couldn't find libshout. How do I fix that?
At 5:11 AM -0600 2/13/04, Enrico Minack wrote:
> > What are my options for grabbing a source at one server and sending
>> it on another without re-encoding?
>find a client for icecast (mpg123, wget, fetch, ...), put the content to
>standard out, find a source for darwin (sorry, I don't know any) and let
>it
>use the standard in.
>
>Enrico
>
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From todd at toolz.com Fri Feb 13 23:27:04 2004
From: todd at toolz.com (Todd Merriman)
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2004 18:27:04 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Line input to client for Icecast Server
Message-ID: <200402132327.i1DNR4EA030999@toolz.com>
My needs are simple. I need a Windows client to accept the line input
on my sound board and stream it to an Icecast server. I plan to
encode the stream at 56kbps stereo.
I tried this about 2 years ago using Winamp with the Oddsock plugin.
This turned out to be a very time-wasting excersize in futility.
I gave up, but now I'm back hoping the technology (and documentation) is there.
My server is already running 4 streams, two 56kbps and two 24kbps.
They are using playlists from encoded mp3 files on the server.
Thanks,
Todd Merriman
www.RainbowRadio.com
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Sat Feb 14 03:31:36 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 13:31:36 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Line input to client for Icecast Server
In-Reply-To: <200402132327.i1DNR4EA030999@toolz.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402141329560.1586-100000@data.home>
Hi:
If you only want to grab the linein and send it straight out without any
compression or other processing, you could use the line recording mode of
streamtranscoder (see www.oddsock.org). Of course, the oddsock DSP plugin
either using its advanced controls or in combination with a line recording
plugin would achieve the same, with the added ability to apply other
effects and EQ. All depends what you want, I guess.
Geoff.
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From KrmDv at netscape.net Sat Feb 14 10:44:16 2004
From: KrmDv at netscape.net (David Kramer)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 05:44:16 -0500
Subject: [icecast] [FWD: Unable to login to icecast with liveice???]
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Im running in a chroot'd environment:
RH 9.0
lame-3.93.1
icecast-2.0.0
LiveIcePatched-1.0.0
xmms-1.2.7
I was able to get icecast running on port 8000, I was able to get liveice compiled and can see the .so file within xmms. Im pretty sure I have xmms configured to match my icecast config(passwords for source match). When I start up xmms I get the following error in my icecast error.log
[2004-02-14 09:30:54] INFO main/main icecast server started
[2004-02-14 09:31:06] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Client connected
[2004-02-14 09:31:06] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Source not found for client
[2004-02-14 09:31:06] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source logging in at mountpoint "/"
[2004-02-14 09:31:28] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source (/) attempted to login with invalid or missing password
[2004-02-14 09:31:31] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source logging in at mountpoint "/"
[2004-02-14 09:31:31] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source (/) attempted to login with invalid or missing password
[2004-02-14 09:40:23] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Client connected
[2004-02-14 09:40:23] DBUG admin/admin_handle_request Got command (listmounts.xsl)
[2004-02-14 09:40:23] DBUG admin/command_list_mounts List mounts request
[2004-02-14 09:40:23] DBUG admin/admin_send_response Sending XSLT (/share/icecast/admin/listmounts.xsl)
<p>My access.log contains
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:26:57 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:06 +0000] "GET /admin.cgi HTTP/1.0" 404 109 "-" "liveice-xmms" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:06 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:09 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:12 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:14 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:17 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:20 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:22 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:25 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:28 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:31 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.41 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:40:23 +0000] "GET /admin/listmounts.xsl HTTP/1.1" 200 44 "http://192.168.1.21:8000/admin/lis
tmounts.xsl" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; DVD Owner; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)" 0
<p>I searched all over the net to see if there was anything about the invalid password, everything I found talked about adding a source-password to the mount element, which I did but still no dice. Please feel free to take a look at my attached icecast.xml file. Im at a complete loss here so any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Dave
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<icecast>
<limits>
<clients>100</clients>
<sources>2</sources>
<threadpool>5</threadpool>
<queue-size>102400</queue-size>
<client-timeout>30</client-timeout>
<header-timeout>15</header-timeout>
<source-timeout>10</source-timeout>
</limits>
<authentication>
<!-- Sources log in with username 'source' -->
<source-password>source</source-password>
<!-- Relays log in username 'relay' -->
<relay-password>relay</relay-password>
<!-- Admin logs in with the username given below -->
<admin-user>admin</admin-user>
<admin-password>admin</admin-password>
</authentication>
<!-- Uncomment this if you want directory listings -->
<!-- <directory> <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout> <yp-url>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url> </directory> <directory> <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout> <yp-url>http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url> </directory> -->
<hostname>localhost</hostname>
<!-- You can use these two if you only want a single listener -->
<!--<port>8000</port> -->
<!--<bind-address>127.0.0.1</bind-address>-->
<!-- You may have multiple <listener> elements -->
<listen-socket>
<port>8000</port>
<!-- <bind-address>127.0.0.1</bind-address> -->
</listen-socket>
<!-- <listen-socket> <port>8001</port> </listen-socket> -->
<!--<master-server>127.0.0.1</master-server>-->
<!--<master-server-port>8001</master-server-port>-->
<!--<master-update-interval>120</master-update-interval>-->
<!--<master-password>hackme</master-password>-->
<!-- <relay> <server>127.0.0.1</server> <port>8001</port> <mount>/example.ogg</mount> <local-mount>/different.ogg</local-mount> <relay-shoutcast-metadata>0</relay-shoutcast-metadata> </relay> -->
<!-- Only define a <mount> section if you want to use advanced options, like alternative usernames or passwords -->
<mount>
<mount-name>/</mount-name>
<username>source</username>
<password>source</password>
</mount>
<fileserve>1</fileserve>
<paths>
<!-- basedir is only used if chroot is enabled -->
<basedir>/opt/icecast</basedir>
<!-- Note that if <chroot> is turned on below, these paths must both be relative to the new root, not the original root -->
<logdir>/logs</logdir>
<webroot>/share/icecast/web</webroot>
<adminroot>/share/icecast/admin</adminroot>
<pidfile>/share/icecast/icecast.pid</pidfile>
<!-- Aliases: treat requests for 'source' path as being for 'dest' path May be made specific to a port or bound address using the "port" and "bind-address" attributes. -->
<!-- <alias source="/foo" dest="/bar"/> -->
</paths>
<logging>
<accesslog>access.log</accesslog>
<errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
<loglevel>4</loglevel> <!-- 4 Debug, 3 Info, 2 Warn, 1 Error -->
</logging>
<security>
<chroot>1</chroot>
<changeowner>
<user>icecast</user>
<group>icecast</group>
</changeowner>
</security>
</icecast>
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From KrmDv at netscape.net Sat Feb 14 10:52:38 2004
From: KrmDv at netscape.net (David Kramer)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 05:52:38 -0500
Subject: [icecast] [FWD: Unable to login to icecast with liveice???]
Message-ID: <2221C44D.09812CB3.0000FB34@netscape.net>
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Im running in a chroot'd environment:
RH 9.0
lame-3.93.1
icecast-2.0.0
LiveIcePatched-1.0.0
xmms-1.2.7
I was able to get icecast running on port 8000, I was able to get liveice compiled and can see the .so file within xmms. Im pretty sure I have xmms configured to match my icecast config(passwords for source match). When I start up xmms I get the following error in my icecast error.log
[2004-02-14 09:30:54] INFO main/main icecast server started
[2004-02-14 09:31:06] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Client connected
[2004-02-14 09:31:06] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Source not found for client
[2004-02-14 09:31:06] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source logging in at mountpoint "/"
[2004-02-14 09:31:28] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source (/) attempted to login with invalid or missing password
[2004-02-14 09:31:31] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source logging in at mountpoint "/"
[2004-02-14 09:31:31] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source (/) attempted to login with invalid or missing password
[2004-02-14 09:40:23] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Client connected
[2004-02-14 09:40:23] DBUG admin/admin_handle_request Got command (listmounts.xsl)
[2004-02-14 09:40:23] DBUG admin/command_list_mounts List mounts request
[2004-02-14 09:40:23] DBUG admin/admin_send_response Sending XSLT (/share/icecast/admin/listmounts.xsl)
<p>My access.log contains
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:26:57 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:06 +0000] "GET /admin.cgi HTTP/1.0" 404 109 "-" "liveice-xmms" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:06 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:09 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:12 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:14 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:17 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:20 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:22 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:25 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:28 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:31 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0
192.168.1.41 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:40:23 +0000] "GET /admin/listmounts.xsl HTTP/1.1" 200 44 "http://192.168.1.21:8000/admin/lis
tmounts.xsl" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; DVD Owner; .NET CLR 1.1.4322)" 0
<p>I searched all over the net to see if there was anything about the invalid password, everything I found talked about adding a source-password to the mount element, which I did but still no dice. Please feel free to take a look at my attached icecast.xml file. Im at a complete loss here so any help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Dave
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<icecast>
<limits>
<clients>100</clients>
<sources>2</sources>
<threadpool>5</threadpool>
<queue-size>102400</queue-size>
<client-timeout>30</client-timeout>
<header-timeout>15</header-timeout>
<source-timeout>10</source-timeout>
</limits>
<authentication>
<!-- Sources log in with username 'source' -->
<source-password>source</source-password>
<!-- Relays log in username 'relay' -->
<relay-password>relay</relay-password>
<!-- Admin logs in with the username given below -->
<admin-user>admin</admin-user>
<admin-password>admin</admin-password>
</authentication>
<!-- Uncomment this if you want directory listings -->
<!-- <directory> <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout> <yp-url>http://dir.xiph.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url> </directory> <directory> <yp-url-timeout>15</yp-url-timeout> <yp-url>http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url> </directory> -->
<hostname>localhost</hostname>
<!-- You can use these two if you only want a single listener -->
<!--<port>8000</port> -->
<!--<bind-address>127.0.0.1</bind-address>-->
<!-- You may have multiple <listener> elements -->
<listen-socket>
<port>8000</port>
<!-- <bind-address>127.0.0.1</bind-address> -->
</listen-socket>
<!-- <listen-socket> <port>8001</port> </listen-socket> -->
<!--<master-server>127.0.0.1</master-server>-->
<!--<master-server-port>8001</master-server-port>-->
<!--<master-update-interval>120</master-update-interval>-->
<!--<master-password>hackme</master-password>-->
<!-- <relay> <server>127.0.0.1</server> <port>8001</port> <mount>/example.ogg</mount> <local-mount>/different.ogg</local-mount> <relay-shoutcast-metadata>0</relay-shoutcast-metadata> </relay> -->
<!-- Only define a <mount> section if you want to use advanced options, like alternative usernames or passwords -->
<mount>
<mount-name>/</mount-name>
<username>source</username>
<password>source</password>
</mount>
<fileserve>1</fileserve>
<paths>
<!-- basedir is only used if chroot is enabled -->
<basedir>/opt/icecast</basedir>
<!-- Note that if <chroot> is turned on below, these paths must both be relative to the new root, not the original root -->
<logdir>/logs</logdir>
<webroot>/share/icecast/web</webroot>
<adminroot>/share/icecast/admin</adminroot>
<pidfile>/share/icecast/icecast.pid</pidfile>
<!-- Aliases: treat requests for 'source' path as being for 'dest' path May be made specific to a port or bound address using the "port" and "bind-address" attributes. -->
<!-- <alias source="/foo" dest="/bar"/> -->
</paths>
<logging>
<accesslog>access.log</accesslog>
<errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
<loglevel>4</loglevel> <!-- 4 Debug, 3 Info, 2 Warn, 1 Error -->
</logging>
<security>
<chroot>1</chroot>
<changeowner>
<user>icecast</user>
<group>icecast</group>
</changeowner>
</security>
</icecast>
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From rojo at nocrew.org Sat Feb 14 11:26:52 2004
From: rojo at nocrew.org (Rolf Johansson)
Date: 14 Feb 2004 12:26:52 +0100
Subject: [icecast] [FWD: Unable to login to icecast with liveice???]
In-Reply-To: <2221C44D.09812CB3.0000FB34@netscape.net>
Message-ID: <7j8yj5rjer.fsf@junk.nocrew.org>
KrmDv at netscape.net (David Kramer) writes:
> I was able to get icecast running on port 8000, I was able to get liveice compiled and can see the .so file within xmms. Im pretty sure I have xmms configured to match my icecast config(passwords for source match). When I start up xmms I get the following error in my icecast error.log
There was a thread some days ago about using http headers instead of icy,
maybe that could help? Search the archive for more information.
/Rolf
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Sat Feb 14 15:34:43 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 01:34:43 +1000
Subject: [icecast] [FWD: Unable to login to icecast with liveice???]
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402150133150.1586-100000@data.home>
Hi:
Unless anyone's released an update, liveice does not work with icecast2.
If you just want something to read from the soundcard, maybe darkice is for
you. Or, since you're using XMMS, try oddcast DSP for XMMS (visit
oddsock.org).
Geoff.
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From kerry.cox at ksl.com Sat Feb 14 17:05:23 2004
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 14 Feb 2004 10:05:23 -0700
Subject: [icecast] relaying using latest builds
In-Reply-To: <1076601428.27031.13.camel@quasi.ksl.com>
Message-ID: <1076778323.11724.2.camel@dagwood>
I just needed some more time to work this out. I finally got things
working with three different streaming options and I am successfully
doing relaying from three different machines.
I will post my findings on my HowTo page at
http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/
If anyone has anything else to contribute or add, I'd be happy to add
it.
Thanks. I just needed more time to work out the kinks in my configs.
KJ
On Thu, 2004-02-12 at 08:57, Kerry Cox wrote:
> Does anyone have a working configuration of relaying using icecast-2.0.0
> and ices-2.0-Beta4? Also, anyone using multiple streams from the master
> server to the slave?
> I had relaying and multiple streams working great using a CVS download
> sometime ago and tried setting it up with the latest builds and it is
> appears to work, but no sound is coming from the slave box. Also, some
> of the syntax has changed.
> Not sure if this is a bug or my audio card. I am able to set up single
> streams and stream from each of the test machines. This works on two RH9
> boxen and one Fedora box here at work as well as my test Fedora box at
> home. Both live and playlist streaming works.
> Just having problems getting multiple streams (one at 96kbps and the
> other at 16kbps) and relaying to work.
> I can post my prior configs and the new configs if anyone is interested.
> Thanks.
> KJ
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From DKramer at reflect.com Sat Feb 14 22:54:28 2004
From: DKramer at reflect.com (David Kramer)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 14:54:28 -0800
Subject: [icecast] subscription test
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From mcros at comcast.net Sun Feb 15 02:06:55 2004
From: mcros at comcast.net (Michael Rosati)
Date: Sat, 14 Feb 2004 21:06:55 -0500
Subject: [icecast] subscription test
Message-ID: <402ED43F.6030607@comcast.net>
testing...
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Sun Feb 15 19:52:58 2004
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 20:52:58 +0100
Subject: [icecast] On demand relay in icecast 2?
In-Reply-To: <200402121131.35688.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <402FCE1A.3070502@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Michael Smith wrote:
> On Thursday 12 February 2004 03:05, v b wrote:
>
>>I'm using this on icecat 1.3.12 but it doesn't seem to work with icecast
>>2.0.0. The relay starts as soon as icecast is started and does not drop,
>>even if there are no clients. I've been over and over the docs and can't
>>figure out what I'm doing wrong.
>>
>
>
> Icecast2 does not currently support on-demand relaying.
pity. are you planning to implement it, or are there reasons apart
from lack of time or interest?
i'd very much like to see this feature re-appear.
best,
j?rn
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From karl at xiph.org Sun Feb 15 20:35:49 2004
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 15 Feb 2004 20:35:49 +0000
Subject: [icecast] On demand relay in icecast 2?
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Message-ID: <1076877348.30930.15.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
On Sun, 2004-02-15 at 19:52, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> Michael Smith wrote:
> > On Thursday 12 February 2004 03:05, v b wrote:
> >
> >>I'm using this on icecat 1.3.12 but it doesn't seem to work with icecast
> >>2.0.0. The relay starts as soon as icecast is started and does not drop,
> >>even if there are no clients. I've been over and over the docs and can't
> >>figure out what I'm doing wrong.
> >>
> >
> >
> > Icecast2 does not currently support on-demand relaying.
>
> pity. are you planning to implement it, or are there reasons apart
> from lack of time or interest?
> i'd very much like to see this feature re-appear.
If you are not too bothered about running more experimental code, then
try my mods, I've added this weekend.
http://www.xiph.org/~karl/icecast-2.0-kh26.tar.gz
just add <on-demand>1</on-demand> to the relay definition. The bulk of
the infrastructure to support on-demand relays should be going in CVS as
it really deals with something else. The extra work for implementing
on-demand specifically needs to be discussed before going into CVS
karl.
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Sun Feb 15 23:16:27 2004
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 00:16:27 +0100
Subject: [icecast] On demand relay in icecast 2?
In-Reply-To: <1076877348.30930.15.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <402FFDCB.50306@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Karl Heyes wrote:
> On Sun, 2004-02-15 at 19:52, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
>
>>Michael Smith wrote:
>>
>>>On Thursday 12 February 2004 03:05, v b wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I'm using this on icecat 1.3.12 but it doesn't seem to work with icecast
>>>>2.0.0. The relay starts as soon as icecast is started and does not drop,
>>>>even if there are no clients. I've been over and over the docs and can't
>>>>figure out what I'm doing wrong.
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>Icecast2 does not currently support on-demand relaying.
>>
>>pity. are you planning to implement it, or are there reasons apart
>>from lack of time or interest?
>>i'd very much like to see this feature re-appear.
>
>
> If you are not too bothered about running more experimental code, then
> try my mods, I've added this weekend.
>
> http://www.xiph.org/~karl/icecast-2.0-kh26.tar.gz
great! i'm running your version anyway atm. will upgrade tomorrow.
thanks!
j?rn
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From msmith at xiph.org Mon Feb 16 01:54:47 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:54:47 +1100
Subject: [icecast] [FWD: Unable to login to icecast with liveice???]
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On Saturday 14 February 2004 22:26, Rolf Johansson wrote:
> KrmDv at netscape.net (David Kramer) writes:
> > I was able to get icecast running on port 8000, I was able to get liveice
> > compiled and can see the .so file within xmms. Im pretty sure I have
> > xmms configured to match my icecast config(passwords for source match).
> > When I start up xmms I get the following error in my icecast error.log
>
> There was a thread some days ago about using http headers instead of icy,
> maybe that could help? Search the archive for more information.
>
<p>Liveice doesn't support icecast2. There's an experimental patch I wrote
floating around that might fix it, but I didn't test it.
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From rwrose at iinet.com.au Mon Feb 16 10:52:49 2004
From: rwrose at iinet.com.au (Rod Rose)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 21:52:49 +1100
Subject: [icecast] changeowner question
Message-ID: <003201c3f47b$05889de0$0200a8c0@dragon>
I just installed Icecast2 and the installation was a sucess. However, when I go to startup Icecast. It's reply is:
[root at linuxserver bin]# ./icecast -c /etc/icecast.xml
WARNING: You should not run icecast2 as root
Use the changeowner directive in the config file
[root at linuxserver bin]#
<p>So then I go into the icecast.xml and alter the changeowner User to admin. Here is a bit from my icecast.xml config file:
<security>
<chroot>1</chroot>
<changeowner>
<user>admin</user>
<group></group>
</changeowner>
</security>
<p><p>When I go to start up Icecast, It replys with the following:
[root at linuxserver bin]# ./icecast -c /etc/icecast.xml
Couldn't find user "admin" in password file
Changed root successfully to "/usr/share/icecast".
WARNING: You should not run icecast2 as root
Use the changeowner directive in the config file
[root at linuxserver bin]#
<p>So my question is where is the icecast2 user password file located?
Thanks heaps.
Nathan
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From enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Mon Feb 16 11:04:56 2004
From: enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Enrico Minack)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:04:56 +0100
Subject: [icecast] changeowner question
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> [root at linuxserver bin]# ./icecast -c /etc/icecast.xml
> Couldn't find user "admin" in password file
> So my question is where is the icecast2 user password file located?
I guess it is the system password file (/etc/passwd), means: the user
'admin' is not existing at your machine.
Enrico
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From rwrose at iinet.com.au Mon Feb 16 11:42:22 2004
From: rwrose at iinet.com.au (Rod Rose)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 22:42:22 +1100
Subject: [icecast] changeowner question
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It worked!!!
I'm now streaming!!!!
Thanks heaps Enrico.
Nathan
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<p>> > [root at linuxserver bin]# ./icecast -c /etc/icecast.xml
> > Couldn't find user "admin" in password file
> > So my question is where is the icecast2 user password file located?
> I guess it is the system password file (/etc/passwd), means: the user
> 'admin' is not existing at your machine.
>
> Enrico
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From mrakotom at free.fr Mon Feb 16 11:48:14 2004
From: mrakotom at free.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: Mon, 16 Feb 2004 12:48:14 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Q: Is it possible?
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Message-ID: <200402161248.14614.mrakotom@free.fr>
On Wednesday 11 February 2004 13:57, Ra?l Wild-Spain wrote:
> linux and Icecast / liveice (right?)
wrong :-)
Linux / Icecast2 / Ices2 / OggVorbis
That's the rigth team :-)
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From DKramer at reflect.com Tue Feb 17 20:01:35 2004
From: DKramer at reflect.com (David Kramer)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 12:01:35 -0800
Subject: [icecast] TEST
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From kerry.cox at ksl.com Tue Feb 17 21:52:47 2004
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 17 Feb 2004 14:52:47 -0700
Subject: [icecast] time out and buffering issues
Message-ID: <1077054767.5544.38.camel@quasi.ksl.com>
I've upgraded a couple servers to the latest icescast2 and ices2
sources. Everything works well with relaying.
However, I am getting some reports that after about 50 minutes the
stream on the relay machine dies and people are unable to connect again
using Winamp-2.91. They have to close up and restart Winamp.
I am thinking this may be a problem with the tree separate audio streams
I am running out of a single box. When it was just two streams, all
worked well.
I am of the opinion this might also be a network issue for these people
since I have been playing a relayed stream continuously since Friday
with no hiccups within an internal network. laso, my own master box has
three separate streams on it.
Has anyone seen any similar issues? Just wanting to rule out any
software glitches.
Thanks.
KJ
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From Bryan.Walls at nasa.gov Tue Feb 17 22:39:29 2004
From: Bryan.Walls at nasa.gov (Bryan Walls)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:39:29 -0600
Subject: [icecast] relaying and icecast stream
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I could really use a hand.
I need to relay an MP3 stream to a Darwin server.
Would
wget -O - http://picasso.astro.ufl.edu:8000/icy_0 | ices
be a reasonable approach? Darwin uses icecast protocol. I don't want to
transcode, just pull the stream and send it.
Is there a better way?
Right now I'm pulling the stream with WinAmp on Windows and resending
with Oddcast, but quality sucks since I'm just re-encoding.
Bryan Walls
Bryan.Walls at nasa.gov
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From djsnm at djsnm.com Wed Feb 18 00:43:50 2004
From: djsnm at djsnm.com (Scott Manley)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 16:43:50 -0800
Subject: [icecast] [FWD: Unable to login to icecast with liveice???]
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Geoff Shang wrote:
> Hi:
>
> Unless anyone's released an update, liveice does not work with icecast2.
>
> If you just want something to read from the soundcard, maybe darkice is for
> you. Or, since you're using XMMS, try oddcast DSP for XMMS (visit
> oddsock.org).
>
> Geoff.
<p>Sorry no update for liveice - If only I had spare time to support it
right now but wroking in computer security these days is crazy....
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From Murray.Saul at senecac.on.ca Wed Feb 18 02:51:05 2004
From: Murray.Saul at senecac.on.ca (Murray Saul)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 18:51:05 -0800
Subject: [icecast] Re: Viewing Broadcast using scope in a Webpage
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Is there a method to code on XHTML webpage that will use a "scope" to
display the music stream that is being played? (like something using
JavaScript?)...
Just curious...
Murray Saul
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From eviloverlord at kucs.net Wed Feb 18 01:03:02 2004
From: eviloverlord at kucs.net (EvilOverlord)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 01:03:02 +0000
Subject: [icecast] [FWD: Unable to login to icecast with liveice???]
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Scott Manley wrote:
> Geoff Shang wrote:
>
>> Hi:
>>
>> Unless anyone's released an update, liveice does not work with icecast2.
>>
>> If you just want something to read from the soundcard, maybe darkice
>> is for
>> you. Or, since you're using XMMS, try oddcast DSP for XMMS (visit
>> oddsock.org).
>>
>> Geoff.
>
>
>
> Sorry no update for liveice - If only I had spare time to support it
> right now but wroking in computer security these days is crazy....
>
AFAIK liveice isn't a supported project anymore. So I've taken it upon
myself to make it work and I'm about to release something called
liveice-sn, which is an updated version to support Icecast2 style login
as well as Icecast1. Most of the code has come from MikeS on #icecast
I've just been making the changes to the config file code. Anyone that
wants to test one of the betas mail me.
Stephen
kucs.net
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From djsnm at djsnm.com Wed Feb 18 01:56:58 2004
From: djsnm at djsnm.com (Scott Manley)
Date: Tue, 17 Feb 2004 17:56:58 -0800
Subject: [icecast] [FWD: Unable to login to icecast with liveice???]
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It Lives!
<p>> AFAIK liveice isn't a supported project anymore.
It was supported to the extent that I'd offer advice occasionally, but
that was about all I had time for.
> So I've taken it upon
> myself to make it work and I'm about to release something called
> liveice-sn, which is an updated version to support Icecast2 style login
> as well as Icecast1. Most of the code has come from MikeS on #icecast
> I've just been making the changes to the config file code. Anyone that
> wants to test one of the betas mail me.
>
> Stephen
> kucs.net
Scott Manley
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From dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de Wed Feb 18 09:22:00 2004
From: dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de (Thomas B. Ruecker, DM8TBR)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 10:22:00 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Re: Viewing Broadcast using scope in a Webpage
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Message-ID: <000701c3f600$abd5bc10$c800a8c0@puck>
Hi Murray,
> Is there a method to code on XHTML webpage that will use a "scope" to
> display the music stream that is being played? (like something using
> JavaScript?)...
Depends on what data you want to use for that scope. ATM the only usefull data I can see in the source file (/admin/stats.xml) would be number of listeners. If you know about the bitrate of the stream you could translate this additionally to bandwidth.
To realize this you have several choices:
- do something using the built in xslt possibilities.
- put out the raw listener numbers and process it with an external app (php/gd/perl/python)
Depends on what you want to have as output...
I like my stats as a history graph:
http://dk0td.afthd.tu-darmstadt.de/mrtg.png
This is accomplished using mrtg + some xlst + some wrapper so mrtg can read the output.
I'll put up a webpage covering this topic, but am quite busy ATM. Don???t expect this before middle/end of next week.
Oh, and - yeah uhh - nowadays I'd probably choose its successor RRDTool...
But should be fairly similar to set up.
Regards
Thomas
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From stefan at neufeind.net Wed Feb 18 10:06:40 2004
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 11:06:40 +0100
Subject: [icecast] [FWD: Unable to login to icecast with liveice???]
In-Reply-To: <4032B9C6.1050707@kucs.net>
Message-ID: <40334740.10060.3D0B78@localhost>
On 18 Feb 2004 at 1:03, EvilOverlord wrote:
> Scott Manley wrote:
>
> > Geoff Shang wrote:
> >
> >> Hi:
> >>
> >> Unless anyone's released an update, liveice does not work with
> >> icecast2.
> >>
> >> If you just want something to read from the soundcard, maybe
> >> darkice is for you. Or, since you're using XMMS, try oddcast DSP
> >> for XMMS (visit oddsock.org).
> >>
> >> Geoff.
> >
> >
> >
> > Sorry no update for liveice - If only I had spare time to support it
> > right now but wroking in computer security these days is crazy....
> >
>
> AFAIK liveice isn't a supported project anymore. So I've taken it
> upon myself to make it work and I'm about to release something called
> liveice-sn, which is an updated version to support Icecast2 style
> login as well as Icecast1. Most of the code has come from MikeS on
> #icecast I've just been making the changes to the config file code.
> Anyone that wants to test one of the betas mail me.
Maybe you could work together with Scott (the author)? In my eyes
it's not needed to branch off a new liveice and have development
divide into several trees. Please check if you can arrange to work on
it together and simply package a new liveice-release. Would be better
IMHO.
<p>Regards,
Stefan
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From Murray.Saul at senecac.on.ca Wed Feb 18 16:01:14 2004
From: Murray.Saul at senecac.on.ca (Murray Saul)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 08:01:14 -0800
Subject: [icecast] Re: Viewing Broadcast using scope in a Webpage
In-Reply-To: <000701c3f600$abd5bc10$c800a8c0@puck>
Message-ID: <40338C4A.6030606@senecac.on.ca>
Hi Thomas,
So those possible solutions could allow for an audio spectrum analyzer
to be on a webpage?
(i.e. like the ones you can see on XMMS or WinAmp?)
Murray
Thomas B. Ruecker, DM8TBR wrote:
>Hi Murray,
>
>
>
>>Is there a method to code on XHTML webpage that will use a "scope" to
>>display the music stream that is being played? (like something using
>>JavaScript?)...
>>
>>
>Depends on what data you want to use for that scope. ATM the only usefull data I can see in the source file (/admin/stats.xml) would be number of listeners. If you know about the bitrate of the stream you could translate this additionally to bandwidth.
>
>To realize this you have several choices:
>- do something using the built in xslt possibilities.
>- put out the raw listener numbers and process it with an external app (php/gd/perl/python)
>
>Depends on what you want to have as output...
>I like my stats as a history graph:
>http://dk0td.afthd.tu-darmstadt.de/mrtg.png
>
>This is accomplished using mrtg + some xlst + some wrapper so mrtg can read the output.
>I'll put up a webpage covering this topic, but am quite busy ATM. Don???t expect this before middle/end of next week.
>Oh, and - yeah uhh - nowadays I'd probably choose its successor RRDTool...
>But should be fairly similar to set up.
>
>Regards
>
>Thomas
>
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From dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de Wed Feb 18 13:15:17 2004
From: dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de (Thomas B. Ruecker, DM8TBR)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 14:15:17 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Re: Viewing Broadcast using scope in a Webpage
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> So those possible solutions could allow for an audio spectrum analyzer
> to be on a webpage?
> (i.e. like the ones you can see on XMMS or WinAmp?)
no, you missunderstood my explanation.
There is no way to do this from xslt.
For such an feature you would either need to stream the content to the client, decode it there and display the wave-form or decode it on the server and send an outputstream corresponding to the waveform which would then be displayed by some sort of applet (java/flash)
IMHO I don???t see any sense in such a feature.
Regards
Thomas
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From Murray.Saul at senecac.on.ca Wed Feb 18 17:19:29 2004
From: Murray.Saul at senecac.on.ca (Murray Saul)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 09:19:29 -0800
Subject: [icecast] Re: Viewing Broadcast using scope in a Webpage
In-Reply-To: <001b01c3f621$41803220$c800a8c0@puck>
Message-ID: <40339EA1.9090600@senecac.on.ca>
Hi Thomas,
Thanks for the info,
I just wanted to experiment with a different effect for my webpage...
I will check out Java/Flash...
Murray Saul
<p>Thomas B. Ruecker, DM8TBR wrote:
>>So those possible solutions could allow for an audio spectrum analyzer
>>to be on a webpage?
>>(i.e. like the ones you can see on XMMS or WinAmp?)
>>
>>
>no, you missunderstood my explanation.
>There is no way to do this from xslt.
>
>For such an feature you would either need to stream the content to the client, decode it there and display the wave-form or decode it on the server and send an outputstream corresponding to the waveform which would then be displayed by some sort of applet (java/flash)
>
>IMHO I don???t see any sense in such a feature.
>
>Regards
>
>Thomas
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From niko at skoid.org Wed Feb 18 22:45:05 2004
From: niko at skoid.org (niko at skoid.org)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 23:45:05 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [icecast] Disconnections
Message-ID: <13675.80.170.142.16.1077144305.squirrel@mail.skoid.org>
Hi.
<p>When I kick a broadcaster to start another streaming on this mountpoint,
all the listeners are disconnected.
Is it possible not to have them disconnected, like with shoutcast?
If yes, how, and if not, why ? =)
<p>Thanks
Regards
Niko
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From DKramer at reflect.com Wed Feb 18 23:51:44 2004
From: DKramer at reflect.com (David Kramer)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 15:51:44 -0800
Subject: [icecast] Funky password mount point error for liveice and icecast - PLZ HL P!
Message-ID: <BD2F34785546D4119FF6009027D5E3C202EB78A7@svr-sfmail.i.sfo1.reflect.com>
Im running in a chroot'd environment:
RH 9.0
lame-3.93.1
icecast-2.0.0
LiveIcePatched-1.0.0
xmms-1.2.7
I was able to get icecast running on port 8000, I was able to get liveice
compiled and can see the .so file within xmms. Im pretty sure I have xmms
configured to match my icecast config(passwords and mount points for source
match). When I start up xmms I get the following error in my icecast
error.log
[2004-02-14 09:30:54] INFO main/main icecast server started
[2004-02-14 09:31:06] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Client connected
[2004-02-14 09:31:06] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Source not found
for client
[2004-02-14 09:31:06] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source logging
in at mountpoint "/"
[2004-02-14 09:31:28] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source (/)
attempted to login with invalid or missing password
[2004-02-14 09:31:31] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source logging
in at mountpoint "/"
[2004-02-14 09:31:31] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source (/)
attempted to login with invalid or missing password
[2004-02-14 09:40:23] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Client connected
[2004-02-14 09:40:23] DBUG admin/admin_handle_request Got command
(listmounts.xsl)
[2004-02-14 09:40:23] DBUG admin/command_list_mounts List mounts request
[2004-02-14 09:40:23] DBUG admin/admin_send_response Sending XSLT
(/share/icecast/admin/listmounts.xsl)
My access.log contains
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:26:57 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-"
"-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:06 +0000] "GET /admin.cgi HTTP/1.0" 404
109 "-" "liveice-xmms" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:06 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-"
"-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:09 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-"
"-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:12 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-"
"-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:14 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-"
"-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:17 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-"
"-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:20 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-"
"-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:22 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-"
"-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:25 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-"
"-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:28 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-"
"-" 0
192.168.1.21 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:31:31 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-"
"-" 0
192.168.1.41 - - [14/Feb/2004:09:40:23 +0000] "GET /admin/listmounts.xsl
HTTP/1.1" 200 44 " http://192.168.1.21:8000/admin/lis
<http://192.168.1.21:8000/admin/lis>
tmounts.xsl" "Mozilla/4.0 (compatible; MSIE 6.0; Windows NT 5.1; DVD Owner;
.NET CLR 1.1.4322)" 0
I searched all over the net to see if there was anything about the invalid
password, everything I found talked about adding a source-password to the
mount element, which I did but still no dice. Please feel free to take a
look at my attached icecast.xml file. Im at a complete loss here so any
help is greatly appreciated.
Thanks,
Dave
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From stefan at neufeind.net Thu Feb 19 00:25:21 2004
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:25:21 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Disconnections
In-Reply-To: <13675.80.170.142.16.1077144305.squirrel@mail.skoid.org>
Message-ID: <40341081.18169.34F2FBF@localhost>
On 18 Feb 2004 at 23:45, niko at skoid.org wrote:
> When I kick a broadcaster to start another streaming on this
> mountpoint, all the listeners are disconnected. Is it possible not to
> have them disconnected, like with shoutcast?
>
> If yes, how, and if not, why ? =)
Only solution that comes to my mind: You should be able to create a
fallback-mount, kick the broadcaster, all people will be transfered
to the fallback and then you can pick up that mountpoint again from a
new broadcaster. Guess that should work, though I haven't yet tried.
Hope it helps ...
Stefan
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From msmith at xiph.org Thu Feb 19 00:33:05 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:33:05 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Disconnections
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Message-ID: <200402191133.05234.msmith@xiph.org>
On Thursday 19 February 2004 09:45, niko at skoid.org wrote:
> Hi.
>
>
> When I kick a broadcaster to start another streaming on this mountpoint,
> all the listeners are disconnected.
> Is it possible not to have them disconnected, like with shoutcast?
>
> If yes, how, and if not, why ? =)
Yes, provide a fallback mountpoint (and a stream on that fallback - which
could just be a simple looping playlist).
If you want to do more complex things that what 2.0 allows (fallbacks in 2.0
are very limited), you might want to try the cvs version, which allows more
complete/flexible fallback behaviour.
Mike
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From msmith at xiph.org Thu Feb 19 00:35:10 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 11:35:10 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Funky password mount point error for liveice and icecast - PLZ HL P!
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On Thursday 19 February 2004 10:51, David Kramer wrote:
> Im running in a chroot'd environment:
>
> RH 9.0
> lame-3.93.1
> icecast-2.0.0
> LiveIcePatched-1.0.0
> xmms-1.2.7
>
Liveice uses an old protocol which isn't supported in icecast2.
I hacked together a patch the other day to make liveice work, someone is
putting that together with the intent to release an update to liveice with
proper support.
Mike
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From DKramer at reflect.com Thu Feb 19 00:45:40 2004
From: DKramer at reflect.com (David Kramer)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 16:45:40 -0800
Subject: [icecast] Funky password mount point error for liveice and ic ecast - PLZ HL P!
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Funky password mount point error for liveice and ic ecast - PLZ HL P!>
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OH MAN THANK YOU!!! I have been pulling my hair trying to get this $hit to
work for weeks now. What other DSPs do you recommend instead of LiveIce?
Either that or when do you expect the patch to be released?
Thank you so much!!!
DK
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Smith [mailto:msmith at xiph.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 4:35 PM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: Re: [icecast] Funky password mount point error for
> liveice and
> icecast - PLZ HL P!
>
>
> On Thursday 19 February 2004 10:51, David Kramer wrote:
> > Im running in a chroot'd environment:
> >
> > RH 9.0
> > lame-3.93.1
> > icecast-2.0.0
> > LiveIcePatched-1.0.0
> > xmms-1.2.7
> >
>
> Liveice uses an old protocol which isn't supported in icecast2.
> I hacked together a patch the other day to make liveice work,
> someone is
> putting that together with the intent to release an update to
> liveice with
> proper support.
>
> Mike
>
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From pjf at cape.com Thu Feb 19 01:09:01 2004
From: pjf at cape.com (Pete Flaherty)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 20:09:01 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Funky password mount point error for liveice and ic ecast - PLZ HL P!
In-Reply-To: <BD2F34785546D4119FF6009027D5E3C202EB78AD@svr-sfmail.i.sfo1.reflect.com>
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I managed to get liveice working. It has to do with the new icecast2
security. I've included a 'Hack' to bypass the need for the source to
use the username. Basically they all have a username (internally to
Icecast) of 'source'
I really think the new authentication mechanism is a plus, But the rest
of the world not quite bleeding has its drawbacks too.
I read somewhere that there sill be an option to set the username to
whatever you want ( and hope 'null' is an option for backwards
compatability).
I believe this will work, mine did, but I was really busy hacking
several other things that night I may have missed someting...
icecast2 - letme-in hack
MRU 20040124 V0.3 pjf at cape.com Pete Flaherty
This hack is for the connections.c source file, and will make the
username 'source'
Icecast2 requires the use of a username password pair for
authentication.
Many sources at this poing (eg xmms liveice ) do not supply any type of
username,
and if they do it is not set to 'source'. This hack willl force the
username to 'source'
without regaurd for what the source program is telling it.
-- WARNING -- This hack bypasses a small part of the icecast2 security,
and is not
recommended for public production servers. Tightening of security to
only allow
specific IPs to stream to the server is encouraged.
Reference the hacked version is from CVS as of Jan 24 2004, though this
should be
applicable to most icecast2 source code.
You will need to compile source code to make a working icecast server
Bypass hack lines | Original source
lines
-------------------- |
---------------------
//if(mountinfo->username) |
if(mountinfo->username)
mountinfo->username = "source"; | user
= mountinfo->username ;
user = "source" ; | break;
break; <
On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 19:45, David Kramer wrote:
> OH MAN THANK YOU!!! I have been pulling my hair trying to get this $hit to
> work for weeks now. What other DSPs do you recommend instead of LiveIce?
> Either that or when do you expect the patch to be released?
>
> Thank you so much!!!
>
> DK
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Michael Smith [mailto:msmith at xiph.org]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 4:35 PM
> > To: icecast at xiph.org
> > Subject: Re: [icecast] Funky password mount point error for
> > liveice and
> > icecast - PLZ HL P!
> >
> >
> > On Thursday 19 February 2004 10:51, David Kramer wrote:
> > > Im running in a chroot'd environment:
> > >
> > > RH 9.0
> > > lame-3.93.1
> > > icecast-2.0.0
> > > LiveIcePatched-1.0.0
> > > xmms-1.2.7
> > >
> >
> > Liveice uses an old protocol which isn't supported in icecast2.
> > I hacked together a patch the other day to make liveice work,
> > someone is
> > putting that together with the intent to release an update to
> > liveice with
> > proper support.
> >
> > Mike
> >
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From DKramer at reflect.com Thu Feb 19 01:47:55 2004
From: DKramer at reflect.com (David Kramer)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 17:47:55 -0800
Subject: [icecast] Funky password mount point error for liveice and ic ecast - PLZ HL P!
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Funky password mount point error for liveice and ic ecast - PLZ HL P!>
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Pete - Thanks for the hack, I've gone in an adjusted the necessary
lines(Even though my C is REALLY rusty, cut and paste to the rescue), I
re-compiled the source, so hopefully things will work once I get home to
test. You mentioned that I shouldnt use this for a Public Production
server, is there any other security measures I can take to override this
exploit? I had planned on running it public, but maybe not anymore. Im
jail root'd and will have the files locked down. Thoughts?
DK
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Pete Flaherty [mailto:pjf at cape.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:09 PM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: RE: [icecast] Funky password mount point error for
> liveice and
> ic ecast - PLZ HL P!
>
>
> I managed to get liveice working. It has to do with the new icecast2
> security. I've included a 'Hack' to bypass the need for the source to
> use the username. Basically they all have a username (internally to
> Icecast) of 'source'
>
> I really think the new authentication mechanism is a plus,
> But the rest
> of the world not quite bleeding has its drawbacks too.
>
> I read somewhere that there sill be an option to set the username to
> whatever you want ( and hope 'null' is an option for backwards
> compatability).
>
> I believe this will work, mine did, but I was really busy hacking
> several other things that night I may have missed someting...
> icecast2 - letme-in hack
> MRU 20040124 V0.3 pjf at cape.com Pete Flaherty
>
> This hack is for the connections.c source file, and will make the
> username 'source'
> Icecast2 requires the use of a username password pair for
> authentication.
>
> Many sources at this poing (eg xmms liveice ) do not supply
> any type of
> username,
> and if they do it is not set to 'source'. This hack willl force the
> username to 'source'
> without regaurd for what the source program is telling it.
>
> -- WARNING -- This hack bypasses a small part of the icecast2
> security,
> and is not
> recommended for public production servers. Tightening of security to
> only allow
> specific IPs to stream to the server is encouraged.
>
> Reference the hacked version is from CVS as of Jan 24 2004,
> though this
> should be
> applicable to most icecast2 source code.
>
> You will need to compile source code to make a working icecast server
>
> Bypass hack lines | Original source
> lines
> -------------------- |
> ---------------------
> //if(mountinfo->username) |
> if(mountinfo->username)
> mountinfo->username = "source"; |
> user
> = mountinfo->username
> ;
> user = "source" ; | break;
> break; <
> On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 19:45, David Kramer wrote:
> > OH MAN THANK YOU!!! I have been pulling my hair trying to
> get this $hit to
> > work for weeks now. What other DSPs do you recommend
> instead of LiveIce?
> > Either that or when do you expect the patch to be released?
> >
> > Thank you so much!!!
> >
> > DK
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Michael Smith [mailto:msmith at xiph.org]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 4:35 PM
> > > To: icecast at xiph.org
> > > Subject: Re: [icecast] Funky password mount point error for
> > > liveice and
> > > icecast - PLZ HL P!
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thursday 19 February 2004 10:51, David Kramer wrote:
> > > > Im running in a chroot'd environment:
> > > >
> > > > RH 9.0
> > > > lame-3.93.1
> > > > icecast-2.0.0
> > > > LiveIcePatched-1.0.0
> > > > xmms-1.2.7
> > > >
> > >
> > > Liveice uses an old protocol which isn't supported in icecast2.
> > > I hacked together a patch the other day to make liveice work,
> > > someone is
> > > putting that together with the intent to release an update to
> > > liveice with
> > > proper support.
> > >
> > > Mike
> > >
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From pjf at cape.com Thu Feb 19 02:24:24 2004
From: pjf at cape.com (Pete Flaherty)
Date: Wed, 18 Feb 2004 21:24:24 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Funky password mount point error for liveice and ic ecast - PLZ HL P!
In-Reply-To: <BD2F34785546D4119FF6009027D5E3C202EB78B5@svr-sfmail.i.sfo1.reflect.com>
Message-ID: <1077157464.30008.45.camel@matrix>
Wel It's a kinda standard disclaimer. Truth is I believe this is as
secure as Icecaast1x. But I didn't write the code, and can't be 100%
sure..... and of course needs testing.
Mine has been running for about 2 weeks now, so if nothing else it's
stable
-Pete
On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 20:47, David Kramer wrote:
> Pete - Thanks for the hack, I've gone in an adjusted the necessary
> lines(Even though my C is REALLY rusty, cut and paste to the rescue), I
> re-compiled the source, so hopefully things will work once I get home to
> test. You mentioned that I shouldnt use this for a Public Production
> server, is there any other security measures I can take to override this
> exploit? I had planned on running it public, but maybe not anymore. Im
> jail root'd and will have the files locked down. Thoughts?
>
> DK
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Pete Flaherty [mailto:pjf at cape.com]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 5:09 PM
> > To: icecast at xiph.org
> > Subject: RE: [icecast] Funky password mount point error for
> > liveice and
> > ic ecast - PLZ HL P!
> >
> >
> > I managed to get liveice working. It has to do with the new icecast2
> > security. I've included a 'Hack' to bypass the need for the source to
> > use the username. Basically they all have a username (internally to
> > Icecast) of 'source'
> >
> > I really think the new authentication mechanism is a plus,
> > But the rest
> > of the world not quite bleeding has its drawbacks too.
> >
> > I read somewhere that there sill be an option to set the username to
> > whatever you want ( and hope 'null' is an option for backwards
> > compatability).
> >
> > I believe this will work, mine did, but I was really busy hacking
> > several other things that night I may have missed someting...
> > icecast2 - letme-in hack
> > MRU 20040124 V0.3 pjf at cape.com Pete Flaherty
> >
> > This hack is for the connections.c source file, and will make the
> > username 'source'
> > Icecast2 requires the use of a username password pair for
> > authentication.
> >
> > Many sources at this poing (eg xmms liveice ) do not supply
> > any type of
> > username,
> > and if they do it is not set to 'source'. This hack willl force the
> > username to 'source'
> > without regaurd for what the source program is telling it.
> >
> > -- WARNING -- This hack bypasses a small part of the icecast2
> > security,
> > and is not
> > recommended for public production servers. Tightening of security to
> > only allow
> > specific IPs to stream to the server is encouraged.
> >
> > Reference the hacked version is from CVS as of Jan 24 2004,
> > though this
> > should be
> > applicable to most icecast2 source code.
> >
> > You will need to compile source code to make a working icecast server
> >
> > Bypass hack lines | Original source
> > lines
> > -------------------- |
> > ---------------------
> > //if(mountinfo->username) |
> > if(mountinfo->username)
> > mountinfo->username = "source"; |
> > user
> > = mountinfo->username
> > ;
> > user = "source" ; | break;
> > break; <
> > On Wed, 2004-02-18 at 19:45, David Kramer wrote:
> > > OH MAN THANK YOU!!! I have been pulling my hair trying to
> > get this $hit to
> > > work for weeks now. What other DSPs do you recommend
> > instead of LiveIce?
> > > Either that or when do you expect the patch to be released?
> > >
> > > Thank you so much!!!
> > >
> > > DK
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Michael Smith [mailto:msmith at xiph.org]
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 4:35 PM
> > > > To: icecast at xiph.org
> > > > Subject: Re: [icecast] Funky password mount point error for
> > > > liveice and
> > > > icecast - PLZ HL P!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Thursday 19 February 2004 10:51, David Kramer wrote:
> > > > > Im running in a chroot'd environment:
> > > > >
> > > > > RH 9.0
> > > > > lame-3.93.1
> > > > > icecast-2.0.0
> > > > > LiveIcePatched-1.0.0
> > > > > xmms-1.2.7
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > Liveice uses an old protocol which isn't supported in icecast2.
> > > > I hacked together a patch the other day to make liveice work,
> > > > someone is
> > > > putting that together with the intent to release an update to
> > > > liveice with
> > > > proper support.
> > > >
> > > > Mike
> > > >
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From arc at xiph.org Thu Feb 19 06:32:33 2004
From: arc at xiph.org (Arc Riley)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 01:32:33 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Re: Viewing Broadcast using scope in a Webpage
In-Reply-To: <40339EA1.9090600@senecac.on.ca>
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On Wed, Feb 18, 2004 at 09:19:29AM -0800, Murray Saul wrote:
> Hi Thomas,
>
> Thanks for the info,
> I just wanted to experiment with a different effect for my webpage...
> I will check out Java/Flash...
You should look at python for this. Use py-imaging, have it generate a
.mng (because gif is still a little evil) with frames generated from
actual stream data. Not very difficult overall. I thought about
putting this together myself some time ago.
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From kerry.cox at ksl.com Thu Feb 19 20:44:03 2004
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 19 Feb 2004 13:44:03 -0700
Subject: [icecast] streaming ogg and mp3 on the same machine
Message-ID: <1077223443.1000.44.camel@quasi.ksl.com>
I have been able to successfully stream ogg vorbis as both a playlist
and as a live stream off my icecast2 server here using port 8000. Works
great.
I can also stream MP3 live audio using darkice and icecast2 off the same
box using port 8001.
But I have been unable to create a situation where I can stream *both"
ogg and mp3 off the same machine. I have even created a new icecast
directory to store the darkice and mp3 configs.
I'm looking to minimize the number of servers currently running. ANyone
had luck getting this to work?
Thanks.
KJ
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From adon at yorku.ca Thu Feb 19 20:47:45 2004
From: adon at yorku.ca (Adon Irani)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 15:47:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] streaming ogg and mp3 on the same machine
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streamTranscoder works just fine for me on the same server ..
( check http://theDV8network.com , and
http://theDV8newtork.com:8000/status.xsl )
a.
<p>On Thu, 19 Feb 2004, Kerry Cox wrote:
> But I have been unable to create a situation where I can stream *both"
> ogg and mp3 off the same machine. I have even created a new icecast
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From darkeye at tyrell.hu Thu Feb 19 20:52:00 2004
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 21:52:00 +0100
Subject: [icecast] streaming ogg and mp3 on the same machine
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Kerry Cox wrote:
> I can also stream MP3 live audio using darkice and icecast2 off the same
> box using port 8001.
darkice can stream both ogg and mp3 at the same time, to the same
server, or different servers...
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From karl at xiph.org Thu Feb 19 20:59:23 2004
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 19 Feb 2004 20:59:23 +0000
Subject: [icecast] streaming ogg and mp3 on the same machine
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Message-ID: <1077224362.8744.24.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 20:44, Kerry Cox wrote:
> I have been able to successfully stream ogg vorbis as both a playlist
> and as a live stream off my icecast2 server here using port 8000. Works
> great.
> I can also stream MP3 live audio using darkice and icecast2 off the same
> box using port 8001.
> But I have been unable to create a situation where I can stream *both"
> ogg and mp3 off the same machine. I have even created a new icecast
> directory to store the darkice and mp3 configs.
> I'm looking to minimize the number of servers currently running. ANyone
> had luck getting this to work?
you'll have to be a bit more specific in the error you're getting,
icecast can stream ogg and mp3 at the same time provided they use
different mountpoints. The other area which could be an issue is if
your live capture system only allows for one app to record at any one
time.
karl.
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From kerry.cox at ksl.com Thu Feb 19 21:33:55 2004
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 19 Feb 2004 14:33:55 -0700
Subject: [icecast] streaming ogg and mp3 on the same machine
In-Reply-To: <403521F0.3050900@tyrell.hu>
Message-ID: <1077226434.1000.46.camel@quasi.ksl.com>
Ahh, I knew I had simply overlooked something.
Do you have a sample config to share?
Thanks.
KJ
<p>On Thu, 2004-02-19 at 13:52, Akos Maroy wrote:
> Kerry Cox wrote:
> > I can also stream MP3 live audio using darkice and icecast2 off the same
> > box using port 8001.
>
> darkice can stream both ogg and mp3 at the same time, to the same
> server, or different servers...
>
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From darkeye at tyrell.hu Thu Feb 19 21:37:56 2004
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2004 22:37:56 +0100
Subject: [icecast] streaming ogg and mp3 on the same machine
In-Reply-To: <1077226434.1000.46.camel@quasi.ksl.com>
Message-ID: <40352CB4.2080501@tyrell.hu>
Kerry Cox wrote:
> Ahh, I knew I had simply overlooked something.
> Do you have a sample config to share?
well, it's in the darkice distribution :)
the sample config there streams to a shoutcast, icecast and icecast2
server, two mp3 streams and one ogg vorbis.
also you might want to read the man page darkice.cfg:
man darkice.cfg
but if you need other configs, I can send one to you.
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Fri Feb 20 00:21:59 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:21:59 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Funky password mount point error for liveice and ic ecast - PLZ HL P!
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David Kramer wrote:
> What other DSPs do you recommend instead of LiveIce?
Darkice (darkice.sf.net), or the line recording feature of streamtranscoder
(see oddsock.org).
Geoff.
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From jankees at familyfels.com Fri Feb 20 12:07:42 2004
From: jankees at familyfels.com (Jan-Kees Fels)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:07:42 +0100
Subject: [icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem
Message-ID: <002201c3f7aa$27b57410$fdffff0a@jankeesf>
Hello,
I seem to have a problem getting icecast 2.0.0 to start. I get the
following message:
[root at fels icecast]# /usr/local/bin/icecast -c
/usr/local/bin/icecast.xml
WARNING: You should not run icecast2 as root
Use the changeowner directive in the config file
I have not tampered with the default "security" section of the xml.
<security>
<chroot>0</chroot>
<!--
<changeowner>
<user>nobody</user>
<group>nogroup</group>
</changeowner>
-->
</security>
</icecast>
I am not really familiary with the chroot command.
I am running redhat 3.0 AS.
Please help!
Jan-Kees Fels
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From enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de Fri Feb 20 12:29:19 2004
From: enrico.minack at informatik.tu-chemnitz.de (Enrico Minack)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:29:19 +0100
Subject: [icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem
In-Reply-To: <002201c3f7aa$27b57410$fdffff0a@jankeesf>
Message-ID: <014e01c3f7ad$29b2c350$0864a8c0@desk>
Try this:
<security>
<chroot>1</chroot> <!-- so that chage root is activated -->
<changeowner>
<user>nobody</user> <!-- this must be an existing user at your
system -->
<group>nogroup</group> <!-- this must be an existing group at
you rsystem -->
</changeowner>
</security>
</icecast>
Enrico
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From jankees at familyfels.com Fri Feb 20 13:14:09 2004
From: jankees at familyfels.com (Jan-Kees Fels)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 14:14:09 +0100
Subject: [icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem
In-Reply-To: <014e01c3f7ad$29b2c350$0864a8c0@desk>
Message-ID: <002a01c3f7b3$7020a4a0$fdffff0a@jankeesf>
Thanks for the superfast reaction.
You got me started thinking.
I got rid of the following lines number 3 and 8 hereunder. They were
present in the example xml and I think that they don't belong here
because icecast won't run if chroot is not being used........
Now it starts. I am very happy about this!!!! :-)
JK
1 <security>
2 <chroot>0</chroot>
3 <!--
4 <changeowner>
5 <user>nobody</user>
6 <group>nogroup</group>
7 </changeowner>
8 -->
9 </security>
<p><p><p>-----Original Message-----
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Of Enrico Minack
Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 1:29 PM
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Subject: Re: [icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem
Try this:
<security>
<chroot>1</chroot> <!-- so that chage root is activated -->
<changeowner>
<user>nobody</user> <!-- this must be an existing user at
your
system -->
<group>nogroup</group> <!-- this must be an existing group
at
you rsystem -->
</changeowner>
</security>
</icecast>
Enrico
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Fri Feb 20 13:59:02 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 23:59:02 +1000
Subject: [icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem
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On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, Jan-Kees Fels wrote:
> I got rid of the following lines number 3 and 8 hereunder. They were
> present in the example xml and I think that they don't belong here
> because icecast won't run if chroot is not being used........
Lines 3 and 8 specified the beginning and end of a commented out section.
The chroot section is commented out since you only need to configure it if
you are running it as root (you're encouraged to run it as someone else)
and should be edited before use at any rate.
Geoff.
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From DKramer at reflect.com Fri Feb 20 18:35:05 2004
From: DKramer at reflect.com (David Kramer)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 10:35:05 -0800
Subject: [icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem>
Message-ID: <BD2F34785546D4119FF6009027D5E3C202EB78C6@svr-sfmail.i.sfo1.reflect.com>
Not sure if this has been fully answered yet, but in order for chroot
services to run effectively you will need to change the ownership of all
directories and files to, in this case, nobody:nobody. If you are not very
familar with running chroots, you will also need to disable the shell login
within your /etc/passwd file ex like this:
icecast:x:504:505::/opt/icecast:/sbin/nologin
In this case I set the home dir to my chroot directory where Icecast begins,
but also disable the shell login. Im really anal about my users and
services matching so I created a specific user for running icecast. In your
icecast.xml file you will also need to set your base directory to match your
chroot:
<!-- basedir is only used if chroot is enabled -->
<basedir>/opt/icecast</basedir>
<!-- Note that if <chroot> is turned on below, these paths must both
be relative to the new root, not the original root -->
<logdir>/logs</logdir>
<webroot>/share/icecast/web</webroot>
<adminroot>/share/icecast/admin</adminroot>
<pidfile>/share/icecast/icecast.pid</pidfile>
<p>Let me know if you need anymore help setting this up. This seems to be one
aspect of icecast I found rather easy for myself. Now if I can just get it
connected to a DSP!!!
Cheers,
David
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> From: Geoff Shang [mailto:gshang at pacific.net.au]
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 5:59 AM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: RE: [icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem
>
>
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, Jan-Kees Fels wrote:
>
> > I got rid of the following lines number 3 and 8 hereunder. They were
> > present in the example xml and I think that they don't belong here
> > because icecast won't run if chroot is not being used........
>
> Lines 3 and 8 specified the beginning and end of a commented
> out section.
> The chroot section is commented out since you only need to
> configure it if
> you are running it as root (you're encouraged to run it as
> someone else)
> and should be edited before use at any rate.
>
> Geoff.
>
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From jankees at familyfels.com Fri Feb 20 20:05:58 2004
From: jankees at familyfels.com (Jan-Kees Fels)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 21:05:58 +0100
Subject: [icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem
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Message-ID: <1077307527_138@fels.p>
Hi,
As a relative newby to linux I figured it out myself that the security on
the dirs, as you mentioned. had to be opened. As far as the shell login, I
use the user "icecast" and have the following setup:
icecast:x:503:505::/home/icecast:/bin/bash
I believe that it might be wiser to indeed disable the login of icecast, but
on my redhat 3.0 as machine it is not required in order to perform the
"chroot" operation.
JK
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Subject: RE: [icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem
Not sure if this has been fully answered yet, but in order for chroot
services to run effectively you will need to change the ownership of all
directories and files to, in this case, nobody:nobody. If you are not very
familar with running chroots, you will also need to disable the shell login
within your /etc/passwd file ex like this:
icecast:x:504:505::/opt/icecast:/sbin/nologin
In this case I set the home dir to my chroot directory where Icecast begins,
but also disable the shell login. Im really anal about my users and
services matching so I created a specific user for running icecast. In your
icecast.xml file you will also need to set your base directory to match your
chroot:
<!-- basedir is only used if chroot is enabled -->
<basedir>/opt/icecast</basedir>
<!-- Note that if <chroot> is turned on below, these paths must both
be relative to the new root, not the original root -->
<logdir>/logs</logdir>
<webroot>/share/icecast/web</webroot>
<adminroot>/share/icecast/admin</adminroot>
<pidfile>/share/icecast/icecast.pid</pidfile>
<p>Let me know if you need anymore help setting this up. This seems to be one
aspect of icecast I found rather easy for myself. Now if I can just get it
connected to a DSP!!!
Cheers,
David
<p>> -----Original Message-----
> From: Geoff Shang [mailto:gshang at pacific.net.au]
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 5:59 AM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: RE: [icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem
>
>
> On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, Jan-Kees Fels wrote:
>
> > I got rid of the following lines number 3 and 8 hereunder. They were
> > present in the example xml and I think that they don't belong here
> > because icecast won't run if chroot is not being used........
>
> Lines 3 and 8 specified the beginning and end of a commented
> out section.
> The chroot section is commented out since you only need to
> configure it if
> you are running it as root (you're encouraged to run it as
> someone else)
> and should be edited before use at any rate.
>
> Geoff.
>
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From DKramer at reflect.com Fri Feb 20 21:14:55 2004
From: DKramer at reflect.com (David Kramer)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 13:14:55 -0800
Subject: [icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem>
Message-ID: <BD2F34785546D4119FF6009027D5E3C202EB78CD@svr-sfmail.i.sfo1.reflect.com>
Hmm Im not too familar with RH AS, I have been using Redhat since 5.2
though, and in my experiences its better to be safer than sorry.
Essentially what you are allowing is the icecast user the ability to login
to a shell, which can lead to disaster. Just a piece of advice, I would
disable the shell on that user!! Good Luck and let me know if you have any
other questions on getting Icecast up.
DK
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jan-Kees Fels [mailto:jankees at familyfels.com]
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 12:06 PM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: RE: [icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem
>
>
> Hi,
>
> As a relative newby to linux I figured it out myself that the
> security on
> the dirs, as you mentioned. had to be opened. As far as the
> shell login, I
> use the user "icecast" and have the following setup:
> icecast:x:503:505::/home/icecast:/bin/bash
>
> I believe that it might be wiser to indeed disable the login
> of icecast, but
> on my redhat 3.0 as machine it is not required in order to perform the
> "chroot" operation.
>
> JK
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]
> On Behalf Of
> David Kramer
> Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 7:35 PM
> To: 'icecast at xiph.org'
> Subject: RE: [icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem
>
> Not sure if this has been fully answered yet, but in order for chroot
> services to run effectively you will need to change the
> ownership of all
> directories and files to, in this case, nobody:nobody. If
> you are not very
> familar with running chroots, you will also need to disable
> the shell login
> within your /etc/passwd file ex like this:
>
> icecast:x:504:505::/opt/icecast:/sbin/nologin
>
> In this case I set the home dir to my chroot directory where
> Icecast begins,
> but also disable the shell login. Im really anal about my users and
> services matching so I created a specific user for running
> icecast. In your
> icecast.xml file you will also need to set your base
> directory to match your
> chroot:
>
> <!-- basedir is only used if chroot is enabled -->
> <basedir>/opt/icecast</basedir>
>
> <!-- Note that if <chroot> is turned on below, these
> paths must both
> be relative to the new root, not the original root -->
> <logdir>/logs</logdir>
> <webroot>/share/icecast/web</webroot>
> <adminroot>/share/icecast/admin</adminroot>
> <pidfile>/share/icecast/icecast.pid</pidfile>
>
>
> Let me know if you need anymore help setting this up. This
> seems to be one
> aspect of icecast I found rather easy for myself. Now if I
> can just get it
> connected to a DSP!!!
>
> Cheers,
>
> David
>
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Geoff Shang [mailto:gshang at pacific.net.au]
> > Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 5:59 AM
> > To: icecast at xiph.org
> > Subject: RE: [icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem
> >
> >
> > On Fri, 20 Feb 2004, Jan-Kees Fels wrote:
> >
> > > I got rid of the following lines number 3 and 8
> hereunder. They were
> > > present in the example xml and I think that they don't belong here
> > > because icecast won't run if chroot is not being used........
> >
> > Lines 3 and 8 specified the beginning and end of a commented
> > out section.
> > The chroot section is commented out since you only need to
> > configure it if
> > you are running it as root (you're encouraged to run it as
> > someone else)
> > and should be edited before use at any rate.
> >
> > Geoff.
> >
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From Murray.Saul at senecac.on.ca Sat Feb 21 01:23:07 2004
From: Murray.Saul at senecac.on.ca (Murray Saul)
Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 20:23:07 -0500
Subject: [icecast] RE: Greetings file played upon mount
Message-ID: <3871134b84.34b8438711@senecac.on.ca>
I'm using icecast2 and ices2, and was wondering if it is possible to
have a "greetings" file to be played (eg. Station ID) prior to listening
to audio stream from playlist (where-ever position it is playing from)....
I checked conf examples, but didn't see anything that stood out...
Regards,
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From karl at xiph.org Sat Feb 21 01:42:08 2004
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 21 Feb 2004 01:42:08 +0000
Subject: [icecast] RE: Greetings file played upon mount
In-Reply-To: <3871134b84.34b8438711@senecac.on.ca>
Message-ID: <1077327727.19827.604.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 01:23, Murray Saul wrote:
> I'm using icecast2 and ices2, and was wondering if it is possible to
> have a "greetings" file to be played (eg. Station ID) prior to listening
> to audio stream from playlist (where-ever position it is playing from)....
>
> I checked conf examples, but didn't see anything that stood out...
this is not implemented, whether it will I'm not sure. I suspect it
could be added, but I haven't looked into it.
karl.
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From rwrose at iinet.com.au Sat Feb 21 02:44:49 2004
From: rwrose at iinet.com.au (Rod Rose)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:44:49 +1100
Subject: [icecast] RE: Greetings file played upon mount
In-Reply-To: <1077327727.19827.604.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <001d01c3f824$ad1d5e40$0200a8c0@dragon>
Maybe what you could do is create a .pls playlist file, which contained
first an intro file, then secondly connected to the live stream.
Cheers
Nathan
http://www.noisefm.com
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Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 12:42 PM
Subject: Re: [icecast] RE: Greetings file played upon mount
<p>> On Sat, 2004-02-21 at 01:23, Murray Saul wrote:
> > I'm using icecast2 and ices2, and was wondering if it is possible to
> > have a "greetings" file to be played (eg. Station ID) prior to listening
> > to audio stream from playlist (where-ever position it is playing
from)....
> >
> > I checked conf examples, but didn't see anything that stood out...
>
> this is not implemented, whether it will I'm not sure. I suspect it
> could be added, but I haven't looked into it.
>
> karl.
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From jankees at familyfels.com Sat Feb 21 12:24:04 2004
From: jankees at familyfels.com (Jan-Kees Fels)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 13:24:04 +0100
Subject: [icecast] icecast shuffle
Message-ID: <1077366198_145@fels.p>
Hi there,
I am using icecast with ezstream. I have several mountpoints. For each
mountpoint I play a set of tracks which form a cd.
I create the filelists with a command similar to the following:
find ~/Music/lennycravitz/* -type f -name '*.mp3' >
~/Music/lennycravitz/lennycravitz.m3u
So far, everything is great.
Now I would like to be able to use a shuffle/random playlist, so that I
don't know the next song. This playlist is then based on all the cd's which
are place on the harddisk. A playlist is a static snapshot. So it might not
even be possible to do this.
Anyone any idea's?
Cheers,
JK
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From jankees at familyfels.com Sat Feb 21 13:57:56 2004
From: jankees at familyfels.com (Jan-Kees Fels)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 14:57:56 +0100
Subject: [icecast] maximum 2 mountpoints??
Message-ID: <1077371834_146@fels.p>
Hi there,
Not sure if this is a limit of icecast or ezstream.
When I try to make a third mount I get :
[root at fels bin]# ./ezstream -c lenny-kravitz-greatest-hits.xml
Connecting to http://localhost:8000/lenny-kravitz-greatest-hits...FAILED:
Login failed
I have doublechecked everything several times including the source password.
JK
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From jankees at familyfels.com Sat Feb 21 14:01:59 2004
From: jankees at familyfels.com (Jan-Kees Fels)
Date: Sat, 21 Feb 2004 15:01:59 +0100
Subject: [icecast] RE: maximum 2 mountpoints??
Message-ID: <1077372075_147@fels.p>
Hi,
I am ashamed of myself. It is a default configuration setting in icecast.xml
Cheers,
JK
_____
From: Jan-Kees Fels [mailto:jankees at familyfels.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 21, 2004 2:58 PM
To: 'icecast at xiph.org'
Subject: maximum 2 mountpoints??
Hi there,
Not sure if this is a limit of icecast or ezstream.
When I try to make a third mount I get :
[root at fels bin]# ./ezstream -c lenny-kravitz-greatest-hits.xml
Connecting to http://localhost:8000/lenny-kravitz-greatest-hits...FAILED:
Login failed
I have doublechecked everything several times including the source password.
JK
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From msmith at xiph.org Mon Feb 23 00:55:48 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:55:48 +1100
Subject: [icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem
In-Reply-To: <002a01c3f7b3$7020a4a0$fdffff0a@jankeesf>
Message-ID: <200402231155.48581.msmith@xiph.org>
On Saturday 21 February 2004 00:14, Jan-Kees Fels wrote:
> Thanks for the superfast reaction.
>
> You got me started thinking.
>
> I got rid of the following lines number 3 and 8 hereunder. They were
> present in the example xml and I think that they don't belong here
> because icecast won't run if chroot is not being used........
>
> Now it starts. I am very happy about this!!!! :-)
>
> JK
>
> 1 <security>
> 2 <chroot>0</chroot>
> 3 <!--
> 4 <changeowner>
> 5 <user>nobody</user>
> 6 <group>nogroup</group>
> 7 </changeowner>
> 8 -->
> 9 </security>
>
These lines are the start and end of a commented-out section. They're meant to
be here - most users don't run icecast as root. You only need this section if
you're running it as root - and you should only be running it as root if you
need to run it on a port <= 1024.
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From msmith at xiph.org Mon Feb 23 00:57:15 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 11:57:15 +1100
Subject: [icecast] RE: Greetings file played upon mount
In-Reply-To: <3871134b84.34b8438711@senecac.on.ca>
Message-ID: <200402231157.15574.msmith@xiph.org>
On Saturday 21 February 2004 12:23, Murray Saul wrote:
> I'm using icecast2 and ices2, and was wondering if it is possible to
> have a "greetings" file to be played (eg. Station ID) prior to listening
> to audio stream from playlist (where-ever position it is playing from)....
>
> I checked conf examples, but didn't see anything that stood out...
>
> Regards,
> Murray Saul
>
The standard way of implementing this is to link to a playlist file (rather
than directly to the stream), and have two entries in the playlist - the
'greeting' file, then the actual stream.
Mike
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From arc at xiph.org Mon Feb 23 06:38:23 2004
From: arc at xiph.org (Arc Riley)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 01:38:23 -0500
Subject: [icecast] RE: Greetings file played upon mount
In-Reply-To: <200402231157.15574.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <20040223063823.GQ447@selket.twcny.rr.com>
How about having a config setting for Icecast which allows you to
specify bumper track URLs to be sent in the .m3u files Icecast
generates for listeners? This seems simple enough to write...
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 11:57:15AM +1100, Michael Smith wrote:
> On Saturday 21 February 2004 12:23, Murray Saul wrote:
> > I'm using icecast2 and ices2, and was wondering if it is possible to
> > have a "greetings" file to be played (eg. Station ID) prior to listening
> > to audio stream from playlist (where-ever position it is playing from)....
>
> The standard way of implementing this is to link to a playlist file (rather
> than directly to the stream), and have two entries in the playlist - the
> 'greeting' file, then the actual stream.
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From jankees at familyfels.com Mon Feb 23 08:09:11 2004
From: jankees at familyfels.com (Jan-Kees Fels)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:09:11 +0100
Subject: [icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem
In-Reply-To: <200402231155.48581.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <1077523746_155@fels.p>
Hi,
I can run icecast as root and have it switched to another user e.g.
"icecast".
<security>
<chroot>0</chroot>
<changeowner>
<user>icecast</user>
<group>icecast</group>
</changeowner>
</security>
</icecast>
The advantage of this strategy is that the icecast user doesn't have to have
login capabilities at any time. E.g. when for whatever reason you need to
start icecast again, you don't need to give this user (icecast user in my
case) login capabilities.
<p>JK
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Subject: Re: [icecast] icecast 2.0.0 chroot problem
On Saturday 21 February 2004 00:14, Jan-Kees Fels wrote:
> Thanks for the superfast reaction.
>
> You got me started thinking.
>
> I got rid of the following lines number 3 and 8 hereunder. They were
> present in the example xml and I think that they don't belong here
> because icecast won't run if chroot is not being used........
>
> Now it starts. I am very happy about this!!!! :-)
>
> JK
>
> 1 <security>
> 2 <chroot>0</chroot>
> 3 <!--
> 4 <changeowner>
> 5 <user>nobody</user>
> 6 <group>nogroup</group>
> 7 </changeowner>
> 8 -->
> 9 </security>
>
These lines are the start and end of a commented-out section. They're meant
to
be here - most users don't run icecast as root. You only need this section
if
you're running it as root - and you should only be running it as root if you
need to run it on a port <= 1024.
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From lemmingsml at nerim.fr Mon Feb 23 08:26:55 2004
From: lemmingsml at nerim.fr (EISELE Pascal)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:26:55 +0100
Subject: [icecast] IceCast & Logrotate
Message-ID: <4039B94F.2050401@nerim.fr>
Hi,
Is lograte can be used to rotate icecast.log, ... ? IceCast seams to
keep files open during is running time. So, when you try to move
icecast.log, it still writing is the moved file. Moreover, if you delete
the file, icecast doesn't write any more.
Best regards,
PE
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From karl at xiph.org Mon Feb 23 12:34:20 2004
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 23 Feb 2004 12:34:20 +0000
Subject: [icecast] IceCast & Logrotate
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Message-ID: <1077539660.7580.5.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 08:26, EISELE Pascal wrote:
> Hi,
>
> Is lograte can be used to rotate icecast.log, ... ? IceCast seams to
> keep files open during is running time. So, when you try to move
> icecast.log, it still writing is the moved file. Moreover, if you delete
> the file, icecast doesn't write any more.
It sounds like you're not sending the HUP signal after renaming the
file, only after the HUP signal is sent will the log files be re-opened.
karl
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From alet at librelogiciel.com Mon Feb 23 15:35:27 2004
From: alet at librelogiciel.com (Jerome Alet)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:35:27 +0100
Subject: [icecast] statically link icecast2.
Message-ID: <20040223153526.GC17344@mail.librelogiciel.com>
Hi there,
I'd want to know how can I statically link icecast 2 when compiling
it on my laptop.
I want to compile it there, then just copy the final statically
linked executable on a server which doesn't currently have the
appropriate libraries (and for which upgrading is currently not an
option).
I've searched a lot, and tried --enable-static and --disable-shared,
but these options don't do this, they are for library generation,
not for library linking.
The only solution I can think of is to manually modify the
automatically generated makefiles, which is IMHO completely stupid.
(I admit this problem has nothing to do with IceCast but more
probably with autoconf/automake, but IceCast is the software I need
to compile)
Thanks in advance for any help
bye
Jerome Alet
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to know that I've got a small dick." - Me.
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr Mon Feb 23 15:54:21 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 16:54:21 +0100
Subject: [icecast] p2p Applet/ActiveX
In-Reply-To: <20040223153526.GC17344@mail.librelogiciel.com>
Message-ID: <20040223155427.2FB9F5329C7@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Hi everybody,
I am wondering if anyone knows an open source Applet or ActiveX for p2p
streaming.
Cheers,
MAX
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Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 4:35 PM
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Subject: [icecast] statically link icecast2.
Hi there,
I'd want to know how can I statically link icecast 2 when compiling
it on my laptop.
I want to compile it there, then just copy the final statically
linked executable on a server which doesn't currently have the
appropriate libraries (and for which upgrading is currently not an
option).
I've searched a lot, and tried --enable-static and --disable-shared,
but these options don't do this, they are for library generation,
not for library linking.
The only solution I can think of is to manually modify the
automatically generated makefiles, which is IMHO completely stupid.
(I admit this problem has nothing to do with IceCast but more
probably with autoconf/automake, but IceCast is the software I need
to compile)
Thanks in advance for any help
bye
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From karl at xiph.org Mon Feb 23 15:58:13 2004
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 23 Feb 2004 15:58:13 +0000
Subject: [icecast] statically link icecast2.
In-Reply-To: <20040223153526.GC17344@mail.librelogiciel.com>
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On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 15:35, Jerome Alet wrote:
> The only solution I can think of is to manually modify the
> automatically generated makefiles, which is IMHO completely stupid.
Assuming gcc is used (the default many cases) and provided you have the
static libs installed, you should be able to build it statically with
make CFLAGS=-static
karl.
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From admin at hidayahonline.org Tue Feb 24 02:30:44 2004
From: admin at hidayahonline.org (HidayahOnline.org Admin)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:30:44 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Seeking in a static icecast stream
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I currently utilize Icecast on my website, but I am looking for the same
kind of functionality as I get with realaudio server when I stream
static content - namely, the ability to seek, show the time remaining,
etc, especially with Vorbis audio.
I realize the intent of Icecast is to serve mainly live, streaming
content (or at least radio-style content), but I utilize it mostly for
streaming static files already on my webserver.
Does anyone have any tips on whether or not this is at all possible with
Icecast, and/or if there are any other open-source projects (barring the
Helix DNA server project), that would offer this on a WinXP platform?
Thanx in advance!
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From msmith at xiph.org Tue Feb 24 02:36:58 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:36:58 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Seeking in a static icecast stream
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On Tuesday 24 February 2004 13:30, HidayahOnline.org Admin wrote:
> I currently utilize Icecast on my website, but I am looking for the same
> kind of functionality as I get with realaudio server when I stream
> static content - namely, the ability to seek, show the time remaining,
> etc, especially with Vorbis audio.
>
> I realize the intent of Icecast is to serve mainly live, streaming
> content (or at least radio-style content), but I utilize it mostly for
> streaming static files already on my webserver.
>
> Does anyone have any tips on whether or not this is at all possible with
> Icecast, and/or if there are any other open-source projects (barring the
> Helix DNA server project), that would offer this on a WinXP platform?
>
This should be possible to implement in icecast, but it's not currently
supported.
I think it'd require:
Sending correct content-length headers for static content (I think we already
do this? It's easy, anyway)
Supporting the Range (or is it Content-Range? I forget) header. This is fairly
complex, but not really that hard.
Mike
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From admin at hidayahonline.org Tue Feb 24 02:49:53 2004
From: admin at hidayahonline.org (HidayahOnline.org Admin)
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 21:49:53 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Seeking in a static icecast stream
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Michael Smith wrote:
>This should be possible to implement in icecast, but it's not currently
>supported.
>
>I think it'd require:
>Sending correct content-length headers for static content (I think we already
>do this? It's easy, anyway)
>Supporting the Range (or is it Content-Range? I forget) header. This is fairly
>complex, but not really that hard.
>
>Mike
>
Is anybody working on this, or should I just on the dev-list and throw
in the suggestion? If Icecast were to implement this, then Realaudio
server would have very little in terms of most usage over Icecast. It
would easily allow a large library of audio to be accessible, but not
downloadable, for many people, with no sideeffects or problems.
For example, it is difficult and not always reliable to seek in a Vorbis
stream when using HTTP-push (is that what it is when you just download
it and listen to it via Winamp - pseudo-streaming?)
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From alet at librelogiciel.com Tue Feb 24 08:51:46 2004
From: alet at librelogiciel.com (Jerome Alet)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 09:51:46 +0100
Subject: [icecast] statically link icecast2.
In-Reply-To: <1077551893.7580.20.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <20040224085146.GA24625@mail.librelogiciel.com>
On Mon, Feb 23, 2004 at 03:58:13PM +0000, Karl Heyes wrote:
> On Mon, 2004-02-23 at 15:35, Jerome Alet wrote:
>
> > The only solution I can think of is to manually modify the
> > automatically generated makefiles, which is IMHO completely stupid.
>
> Assuming gcc is used (the default many cases) and provided you have the
> static libs installed, you should be able to build it statically with
>
> make CFLAGS=-static
This doesn't seem to work. If I use the file command on the
icecast executable, it still says that the file is dynamically linked.
If I use ldd I've got :
port50-2:~/icecast-2.0.0/src$ ldd icecast
libssl.so.0.9.7 => /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libssl.so.0.9.7 (0x4002a000)
libcrypto.so.0.9.7 => /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 (0x40059000)
libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x4014a000)
libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0x4014e000)
libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x4015f000)
libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x401b0000)
libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x401d2000)
/lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000)
port50-2:~/icecast-2.0.0/src$
All the libraries above exist both as a .so and as a .a
Interestingly, when I compile without the CFLAGS=-static, there are
additionnal libraries when I do an ldd, and executable is smaller,
so I suspect that the statical linking worked somewhat, but not
completely : in fact it worked for all "non-system" libraries.
Any other idea ?
Thanks in advance
bye
Jerome Alet
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From stefan at neufeind.net Tue Feb 24 09:35:27 2004
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:35:27 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Seeking in a static icecast stream
In-Reply-To: <403ABBD1.8070401@hidayahonline.org>
Message-ID: <403B28EF.21627.40F45D@localhost>
On 23 Feb 2004 at 21:49, HidayahOnline.org Admin wrote:
> Michael Smith wrote:
>
> >This should be possible to implement in icecast, but it's not
> >currently supported.
> >
> >I think it'd require:
> >Sending correct content-length headers for static content (I think we
> >already do this? It's easy, anyway) Supporting the Range (or is it
> >Content-Range? I forget) header. This is fairly complex, but not
> >really that hard.
> >
> >Mike
> >
> Is anybody working on this, or should I just on the dev-list and throw
> in the suggestion? If Icecast were to implement this, then Realaudio
> server would have very little in terms of most usage over Icecast. It
> would easily allow a large library of audio to be accessible, but not
> downloadable, for many people, with no sideeffects or problems.
Well, have you tried grabbing a stream with wget? Works perfect. So
again: It's easily downloadable, all icecast-content. Or did I get
something wrong?
Only good solution in my eyes would be to use rtp/rtps or mms:// or
similar as streaming-protocols. However, nobody jet tried to
implement something like that afaik :-((
Stefan
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr Tue Feb 24 09:43:51 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 10:43:51 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Parsing problem
In-Reply-To: <a06020404bc063dd32fee@[152.78.64.103]>
Message-ID: <20040224094359.E530C532A79@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Hi everybody,
I am trying to parse an xsl file on Icecast/Linux (RH9) but I always get the
message "Could not parse XSLT file". I don't think it's a problem with my
XSL libraries because I can parse status.xsl and status2.xsl.
Also, the file I am trying to parse on the Linux box can be parsed without
any problem on my windows/icecast box.
I guess there is a mistake in my code. Can anybody take a look at the
attached file? I am trying to isolate the "title" element and generate a
kind of XML file...
Thanks in advance,
MAX
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From qala at qala.de Tue Feb 24 12:13:44 2004
From: qala at qala.de (Nils Stünkel)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 13:13:44 +0100
Subject: [icecast] IceCast binary strange error on startup
Message-ID: <opr3viw6hbxej5dn@mx.freenet.de>
Hi folks!
I'm trying to run icecast2.0.0-1 on my router machine. Since this is a
Pentium 75 with minimal configuration, I'd like not to compile it, but
downloaded the binary distribution. After installing and configuring (not
my first, others were on Win32) everything looks fine, but ... well look
for yourself:
<----------------------->
nserv:~ # icecast
icecast: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.4: cannot open
shared object file: No such file or directory
nserv:~ # rpm -q openssl
openssl-0.9.7b-74
nserv:~ # rpm -q openssl-devel
openssl-devel-0.9.7b-74
nserv:~ #
<----------------------->
I have openssl0.9.7b WITH sources installed.
Maybe there's a problem in locating the Files? I'm just getting used to
Linux ;-))
<p>Facts:
Speed: 75 MHz
Mem: 64MB
OS: SuSE 9.0
nserv:~ # uname -a
Linux nserv 2.4.21-192-default #1 Wed Feb 18 19:26:28 UTC 2004 i586 i586
i386 GNU/Linux
<p>Thank you!
Regards,
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From karl at xiph.org Tue Feb 24 12:45:36 2004
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 24 Feb 2004 12:45:36 +0000
Subject: [icecast] statically link icecast2.
In-Reply-To: <20040224085146.GA24625@mail.librelogiciel.com>
Message-ID: <1077626735.16783.5.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 08:51, Jerome Alet wrote:
> > make CFLAGS=-static
>
> This doesn't seem to work. If I use the file command on the
> icecast executable, it still says that the file is dynamically linked.
>
> If I use ldd I've got :
>
> port50-2:~/icecast-2.0.0/src$ ldd icecast
> libssl.so.0.9.7 => /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libssl.so.0.9.7 (0x4002a000)
> libcrypto.so.0.9.7 => /usr/lib/i686/cmov/libcrypto.so.0.9.7 (0x40059000)
> libdl.so.2 => /lib/libdl.so.2 (0x4014a000)
> libz.so.1 => /usr/lib/libz.so.1 (0x4014e000)
> libpthread.so.0 => /lib/libpthread.so.0 (0x4015f000)
> libm.so.6 => /lib/libm.so.6 (0x401b0000)
> libc.so.6 => /lib/libc.so.6 (0x401d2000)
> /lib/ld-linux.so.2 => /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x40000000)
> port50-2:~/icecast-2.0.0/src$
>
> All the libraries above exist both as a .so and as a .a
>
> Interestingly, when I compile without the CFLAGS=-static, there are
> additionnal libraries when I do an ldd, and executable is smaller,
> so I suspect that the statical linking worked somewhat, but not
> completely : in fact it worked for all "non-system" libraries.
maybe you need to add other flags to gcc to get all the shared lib
references, try
make CFLAGS="-static -static-libgcc"
<p>karl.
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From alet at librelogiciel.com Tue Feb 24 13:01:19 2004
From: alet at librelogiciel.com (Jerome Alet)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:01:19 +0100
Subject: [icecast] statically link icecast2.
In-Reply-To: <1077626735.16783.5.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <20040224130119.GB25813@mail.librelogiciel.com>
On Tue, Feb 24, 2004 at 12:45:36PM +0000, Karl Heyes wrote:
> >
> > Interestingly, when I compile without the CFLAGS=-static, there are
> > additionnal libraries when I do an ldd, and executable is smaller,
> > so I suspect that the statical linking worked somewhat, but not
> > completely : in fact it worked for all "non-system" libraries.
>
> maybe you need to add other flags to gcc to get all the shared lib
> references, try
>
> make CFLAGS="-static -static-libgcc"
no difference.
Thanks anyway.
Any other idea ?
bye
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From oddsock at oddsock.org Tue Feb 24 14:18:03 2004
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 08:18:03 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Parsing problem
In-Reply-To: <20040224094359.E530C532A79@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040224081527.01fc6b50@www.oddsock.org>
If you want a good way to test out your xsl files, the following will help
quite a bit :
1. get a copy of the stats tree in a file somewhere : wget
http://admin:hackme at server:port/admin/stats;mv stats stats.xml
2. run xsltproc stats.xml yourfile.xsl
xsltproc will try to perform the transform and give you much better
messages than icecast will (icecast just says Cannot parse, but xsltproc
will give you file and line numbers and contextual information)
oddsock
At 03:43 AM 2/24/2004, you wrote:
>Hi everybody,
>
>I am trying to parse an xsl file on Icecast/Linux (RH9) but I always get the
>message "Could not parse XSLT file". I don't think it's a problem with my
>XSL libraries because I can parse status.xsl and status2.xsl.
>
>Also, the file I am trying to parse on the Linux box can be parsed without
>any problem on my windows/icecast box.
>
>I guess there is a mistake in my code. Can anybody take a look at the
>attached file? I am trying to isolate the "title" element and generate a
>kind of XML file...
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>MAX
>
>
>
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr Tue Feb 24 18:33:36 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 19:33:36 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Parsing problem
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040224081527.01fc6b50@www.oddsock.org>
Message-ID: <20040224183344.9F21A532A74@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Hi Oddsock,
Thanks for your help, I'll take a look at xsltproc.
Cheers,
MAX
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Subject: Re: [icecast] Parsing problem
If you want a good way to test out your xsl files, the following will help
quite a bit :
1. get a copy of the stats tree in a file somewhere : wget
http://admin:hackme at server:port/admin/stats;mv stats stats.xml
2. run xsltproc stats.xml yourfile.xsl
xsltproc will try to perform the transform and give you much better
messages than icecast will (icecast just says Cannot parse, but xsltproc
will give you file and line numbers and contextual information)
oddsock
At 03:43 AM 2/24/2004, you wrote:
>Hi everybody,
>
>I am trying to parse an xsl file on Icecast/Linux (RH9) but I always get
the
>message "Could not parse XSLT file". I don't think it's a problem with my
>XSL libraries because I can parse status.xsl and status2.xsl.
>
>Also, the file I am trying to parse on the Linux box can be parsed without
>any problem on my windows/icecast box.
>
>I guess there is a mistake in my code. Can anybody take a look at the
>attached file? I am trying to isolate the "title" element and generate a
>kind of XML file...
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>MAX
>
>
>
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From admin at hidayahonline.org Tue Feb 24 20:42:12 2004
From: admin at hidayahonline.org (HidayahOnline.org Admin)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:42:12 -0500
Subject: [icecast] What's your setup?
Message-ID: <403BB724.2030106@hidayahonline.org>
After reading several of the posts to this listserv, I realize that I am
hardly utilizing Icecast to its full potential.
If it's not a problem, would anyone like to describe their typical setup
and/or usage for Icecast? For example, describe your platform, what
helper applications/utilities you use with Icecast, and/or your
integration of Icecast with your website, if that applies.
I really want to step-up my usage of Icecast on my site, and I'm looking
to see what worked for others.
Thanx in advance.
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From tarken at lyrical.net Tue Feb 24 21:54:17 2004
From: tarken at lyrical.net (Joseph Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 14:54:17 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Icecast/IceS relay question
Message-ID: <1077659657.9889.7.camel@jwilhelm.ofsloans.com>
Okay... I realize this has probably been asked dozens of times, but I
can't seem to find a definitive answer after googling and archive
scanning.
What I'm looking to do is simply relay one stream (In this case, a
Shoutcast stream), re-encode it at a lower bitrate, and then
re-broadcast it at this lower bitrate. Obviously for purposes of
providing a dialup stream.
At this time, I don't have access to the system that provides the source
for the stream, so I need to pull the relay and do the re-encode
locally. Is ices able to do this? Or perhaps any of the other related
tools? I've found various Perl scripts to re-encode using different
tools (wget/curl to pull, lame to re-encode, then pushing to the
source), but I would prefer to use an "official" method if such a thing
exists.
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From karl at xiph.org Tue Feb 24 22:02:30 2004
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 24 Feb 2004 22:02:30 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Icecast/IceS relay question
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On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 21:54, Joseph Wilhelm wrote:
> Okay... I realize this has probably been asked dozens of times, but I
> can't seem to find a definitive answer after googling and archive
> scanning.
>
> What I'm looking to do is simply relay one stream (In this case, a
> Shoutcast stream), re-encode it at a lower bitrate, and then
> re-broadcast it at this lower bitrate. Obviously for purposes of
> providing a dialup stream.
>
> At this time, I don't have access to the system that provides the source
> for the stream, so I need to pull the relay and do the re-encode
> locally. Is ices able to do this? Or perhaps any of the other related
> tools? I've found various Perl scripts to re-encode using different
> tools (wget/curl to pull, lame to re-encode, then pushing to the
> source), but I would prefer to use an "official" method if such a thing
> exists.
you could use wget/curl feeding mp3 to ices 0.3 via stdin, another way
is using streamtranscoder.
karl.
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From tarken at lyrical.net Tue Feb 24 23:03:00 2004
From: tarken at lyrical.net (Joseph Wilhelm)
Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2004 16:03:00 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Icecast/IceS relay question
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On Tue, 2004-02-24 at 15:02, Karl Heyes wrote:
> you could use wget/curl feeding mp3 to ices 0.3 via stdin, another way
> is using streamtranscoder.
>
> karl.
>
>
Ah ha! I got it working with streamTranscoder! Thank you very much!
Should something to this effect perhaps be added in the official
documentation/FAQ? I would think this may be a widely appreciately, yet
not widely known tool...
Anyhow, thanks again!
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr Wed Feb 25 00:55:14 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 01:55:14 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Duration/Remaining time. Is it possible?
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Hi everybody,
I am wondering if Icecast can post the duration of the currently played song
or the remaining time to an XML file. Is it possible?
<p>Cheers,
MAX
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From msmith at xiph.org Wed Feb 25 01:17:16 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 12:17:16 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Duration/Remaining time. Is it possible?
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On Wednesday 25 February 2004 11:55, MacSym wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> I am wondering if Icecast can post the duration of the currently played
> song or the remaining time to an XML file. Is it possible?
>
Not possible - icecast doesn't know how long it is.
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr Wed Feb 25 02:28:01 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 03:28:01 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Duration/Remaining time. Is it possible?
In-Reply-To: <200402251217.16185.msmith@xiph.org>
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Hi Mike,
Thanks for your quick answer. If it's not possible to get it with Icecast,
I'll take a look at the encoder side. I already know Oddcast can handle
that.
Cheers,
MAX
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On Wednesday 25 February 2004 11:55, MacSym wrote:
> Hi everybody,
>
> I am wondering if Icecast can post the duration of the currently played
> song or the remaining time to an XML file. Is it possible?
>
Not possible - icecast doesn't know how long it is.
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From joe_jones64 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 25 18:15:05 2004
From: joe_jones64 at hotmail.com (Joe Jones)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:15:05 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Problem with livice
Message-ID: <LAW11-F69VOBqAKQZDs0001bb6b@hotmail.com>
Trying to get livice to work on my FreeBSD system..major 'n00b' so bear with
me :D
<p>When I run ./livice I get the following
-------------------------------------------------------------
/local/liveice/temp.playlist
...... done
setup_pipes()...
Initialising pipes for stream 0
Successfuly set up fifo .liveice_temp_files/raw.pipe0
Successfuly set up fifo .liveice_temp_files/mpeg.pipe0
.... done.
encode()...
hola, encoding...
4
opening connection to 10.0.0.3 8001
Created Socket pair
Attempting to Contact Server
connection successful: forking process
alarm timeout signal
Closing Soundcard
53063:Error: unable to open mpeg pipe
-------------------------------------------------------------
at which point it just hangs there doing nothing.
<p><p>Does anyone know what the problem is (bar the obvious) and how to fix it?
<p>Many thanks.
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From eviloverlord at kucs.net Wed Feb 25 18:30:26 2004
From: eviloverlord at kucs.net (EvilOverlord)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:30:26 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Problem with livice
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Joe Jones wrote:
> Trying to get livice to work on my FreeBSD system..major 'n00b' so bear
> with me :D
>
>
> When I run ./livice I get the following
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------
> /local/liveice/temp.playlist
> ...... done
> setup_pipes()...
> Initialising pipes for stream 0
> Successfuly set up fifo .liveice_temp_files/raw.pipe0
> Successfuly set up fifo .liveice_temp_files/mpeg.pipe0
> .... done.
> encode()...
> hola, encoding...
> 4
> opening connection to 10.0.0.3 8001
> Created Socket pair
> Attempting to Contact Server
> connection successful: forking process
> alarm timeout signal
> Closing Soundcard
>
> 53063:Error: unable to open mpeg pipe
> -------------------------------------------------------------
>
> at which point it just hangs there doing nothing.
>
>
>
> Does anyone know what the problem is (bar the obvious) and how to fix it?
>
>
> Many thanks.
>
What kind of Icecast server are you trying to log into? v1 or v2?
Stephen
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From joe_jones64 at hotmail.com Wed Feb 25 18:42:43 2004
From: joe_jones64 at hotmail.com (Joe Jones)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:42:43 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Problem with liveice
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Problem with liveice>
Message-ID: <Law11-F104DjoYAPNXR00002cc8@hotmail.com>
It's an Icecast 2 server which appears to be running fine (in that I can get
status.xsl up in the browser) and using the latest Liveice tarball from
http://star.arm.ac.uk/~spm/software/liveice.html
<p>>From: EvilOverlord <eviloverlord at kucs.net>
>Reply-To: icecast at xiph.org
>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: Re: [icecast] Problem with livice
>Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 18:30:26 +0000
>
>Joe Jones wrote:
>
>>Trying to get livice to work on my FreeBSD system..major 'n00b' so bear
>>with me :D
>>
>>
>>When I run ./livice I get the following
>>
>>-------------------------------------------------------------
>>/local/liveice/temp.playlist
>>...... done
>>setup_pipes()...
>>Initialising pipes for stream 0
>>Successfuly set up fifo .liveice_temp_files/raw.pipe0
>>Successfuly set up fifo .liveice_temp_files/mpeg.pipe0
>>.... done.
>>encode()...
>>hola, encoding...
>>4
>>opening connection to 10.0.0.3 8001
>>Created Socket pair
>>Attempting to Contact Server
>>connection successful: forking process
>>alarm timeout signal
>>Closing Soundcard
>>
>>53063:Error: unable to open mpeg pipe
>>-------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>>at which point it just hangs there doing nothing.
>>
>>
>>
>>Does anyone know what the problem is (bar the obvious) and how to fix it?
>>
>>
>>Many thanks.
>>
>
>What kind of Icecast server are you trying to log into? v1 or v2?
>
>Stephen
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From rihernanbu at hotmail.com Wed Feb 25 18:49:14 2004
From: rihernanbu at hotmail.com (Ramon Hernandez)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 13:49:14 -0500
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 on Fedora Core 1
Message-ID: <Sea1-F42lAPSakxJ5zH000057d5@hotmail.com>
I have just successfuly installed Icecast2 on Fedora. I had been trying to
setup a Darkice>Icecast2 live streamer for our University radio station.
WHen I was told I had to switch to Fedora. This caused some complications.
I am not asking a question here, simply sharing my experience on how I got
it to install.
First, yum wouldn't upgrade, I got a CRC error when it was attempting to
install python2. So I installed apt and it was able to get past that point,
now yum works fine.
Darkice installed fine w/ minimal dependencies.
Icecast redhat9 rpm was looking for libcom_err.so.3 which I COULD NOT FIND,
turns out they didn't include it w/ Fedora, so I installed the Icecast
src.rpm and now it's sitting in there nicely.
I'm a relative linux newb, been using it for 1 year but I'll be happy to
share this experience w/ anyone attempting to get this running on Fedora.
Hope this helps someone.
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From joku at ranssi.paivola.net Wed Feb 25 18:55:59 2004
From: joku at ranssi.paivola.net (Olli)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:55:59 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Icecast and realtime streams
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Message-ID: <AOEPICFLLCLCPODPEJKOAEPACKAA.joku@ranssi.paivola.net>
Hi!
I use icecast for audio streaming (mp3 and ogg), but how i can stream
directly from my sound card?
I want to use microphone and send directly all to streaming server
(localhost =)
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From darkeye at tyrell.hu Wed Feb 25 19:50:24 2004
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:50:24 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast and realtime streams
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Message-ID: <403CFC80.5080907@tyrell.hu>
Olli wrote:
> Hi!
> I use icecast for audio streaming (mp3 and ogg), but how i can stream
> directly from my sound card?
> I want to use microphone and send directly all to streaming server
> (localhost =)
use either darkice (darkice.sf.net) or liveice
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From tiagocruz at linuxdicas.com.br Wed Feb 25 20:04:21 2004
From: tiagocruz at linuxdicas.com.br (Tiago Cruz)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 17:04:21 -0300
Subject: [icecast] Loop after finish playlist
Message-ID: <1077739461.2000.157.camel@localhost>
Hello dear friends
Good afternoon for all ;)
My Name is Tiago, I have some messages in this list in the past.
Now, I have one more question: My on-line radio, running Mandrake 9.1
box with ice/icecast in RPM 1.x it's works wonderfoul in this time.
But, I wold like to know how I can make... a.. "reload - loop in
playlist" when the same it's over.
Well.. I think whith your maybe understand my bad english, so, sorry :-(
Thanks in advance, and a big regard of Brazil for all!
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Abra?os,
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From eviloverlord at kucs.net Wed Feb 25 21:48:55 2004
From: eviloverlord at kucs.net (EvilOverlord)
Date: Wed, 25 Feb 2004 21:48:55 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Problem with liveice
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Joe Jones wrote:
> It's an Icecast 2 server which appears to be running fine (in that I can
> get status.xsl up in the browser) and using the latest Liveice tarball
> from http://star.arm.ac.uk/~spm/software/liveice.html
>
Well that would be the problem, liveice doesn't currently work with
Icecast v2 servers, there is an update coming real soon now (tm)
Stephen
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From msmith at xiph.org Thu Feb 26 00:28:03 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:28:03 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Problem with livice
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Message-ID: <200402261128.03062.msmith@xiph.org>
On Thursday 26 February 2004 05:15, Joe Jones wrote:
> Trying to get livice to work on my FreeBSD system..major 'n00b' so bear
> with me :D
>
>
> When I run ./livice I get the following
>
Liveice doesn't work with icecast2 currently.
Mike
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From msmith at xiph.org Thu Feb 26 00:28:39 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:28:39 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast and realtime streams
In-Reply-To: <AOEPICFLLCLCPODPEJKOAEPACKAA.joku@ranssi.paivola.net>
Message-ID: <200402261128.39796.msmith@xiph.org>
On Thursday 26 February 2004 05:55, Olli wrote:
> Hi!
> I use icecast for audio streaming (mp3 and ogg), but how i can stream
> directly from my sound card?
> I want to use microphone and send directly all to streaming server
> (localhost =)
>
ices2 can do this.
Mike
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From admin at hidayahonline.org Thu Feb 26 05:52:24 2004
From: admin at hidayahonline.org (HidayahOnline.org Admin)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 00:52:24 -0500
Subject: [icecast] XML statistics?
Message-ID: <403D8998.2080005@hidayahonline.org>
The documentation for Icecast2 references a structured XML document
containing statistics, such as the following from the docs:
<?xml version="1.0"?>
<icestats>
<client_connections>13</client_connections>
<connections>14</connections>
<source_connections>1</source_connections>
<sources>1</sources>
<source mount="/test.ogg">
<artist></artist>
<audio_info>ice-samplerate=32000;ice-bitrate=Quality -1;ice-channels=1</audio_info>
<ice-bitrate>Quality -1</ice-bitrate>
<ice-channels>1</ice-channels>
<ice-samplerate>32000</ice-samplerate>
<listeners>0</listeners>
<public>0</public>
<title></title>
<type>Ogg Vorbis</type>
</source>
</icestats>
At the following page:
http://www.icecast.org/files/icecast_docs/icecast2_stats.html
However, I cannot find such a file in my Icecast2 Win32 directory.
Obviously, I'm using the Win32 build of Icecast2, and I wish to parse
the XML file for display on the front page of my site. Perhaps it is a
configuration directive I have neglected?
Thanx in advance!
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From msmith at xiph.org Thu Feb 26 06:01:19 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:01:19 +1100
Subject: [icecast] XML statistics?
In-Reply-To: <403D8998.2080005@hidayahonline.org>
Message-ID: <200402261701.19422.msmith@xiph.org>
On Thursday 26 February 2004 16:52, HidayahOnline.org Admin wrote:
> The documentation for Icecast2 references a structured XML document
> containing statistics, such as the following from the docs:
> http://www.icecast.org/files/icecast_docs/icecast2_stats.html
>
> However, I cannot find such a file in my Icecast2 Win32 directory.
> Obviously, I'm using the Win32 build of Icecast2, and I wish to parse
> the XML file for display on the front page of my site. Perhaps it is a
> configuration directive I have neglected?
>
> Thanx in advance!
This stats file is a sort of "virtual file", created by icecast on demand. It
doesn't live on the filesystem at any point.
You can request it from the server using http://server:port/admin/stats.xml
Can you suggest some text for the documentation that would clarify this?
Mike
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From admin at hidayahonline.org Thu Feb 26 06:27:53 2004
From: admin at hidayahonline.org (HidayahOnline.org Admin)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 01:27:53 -0500
Subject: [icecast] XML statistics?
In-Reply-To: <200402261701.19422.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <403D91E9.4040108@hidayahonline.org>
>
>This stats file is a sort of "virtual file", created by icecast on demand. It
>doesn't live on the filesystem at any point.
>
>You can request it from the server using http://server:port/admin/stats.xml
>
>Can you suggest some text for the documentation that would clarify this?
>
>Mike
>
Well, I still don't get an XML file when I visit that page on my
server. Granted, all the information that is in the file is there,
however, I can't use PHP's nifty XML parsing tools to get that information.
To clarify the point, I would advise simply not using an XML file to
represent the data, unless such a file is indeed attainable, whether
actually existing on the file system or not. If a file like this can be
generated at a given URL or by a command to the server, that would also
be neato, but if nothing like the really exists, I would advise
re-writing the page without the XML at all.
All of this is assuming that I am understanding what you are saying - in
that, whomever wrote the documentation simply used XML as a way to
present the data. I would suggest, rather, a screen-shot of the actual
page, or what the actual page looks like.
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From msmith at xiph.org Thu Feb 26 06:34:42 2004
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 17:34:42 +1100
Subject: [icecast] XML statistics?
In-Reply-To: <403D91E9.4040108@hidayahonline.org>
Message-ID: <200402261734.42087.msmith@xiph.org>
On Thursday 26 February 2004 17:27, HidayahOnline.org Admin wrote:
> >This stats file is a sort of "virtual file", created by icecast on demand.
> > It doesn't live on the filesystem at any point.
> >
> >You can request it from the server using
> > http://server:port/admin/stats.xml
> >
> >Can you suggest some text for the documentation that would clarify this?
> >
> >Mike
>
> Well, I still don't get an XML file when I visit that page on my
> server. Granted, all the information that is in the file is there,
> however, I can't use PHP's nifty XML parsing tools to get that information.
Well, I'm not sure what's going wrong, then. It's meant to produce an XML
file, and last time I checked it did produce an XML file. So either you're
doing something wrong, or a bug has been introduced, and this doesn't
currently work.
>
> To clarify the point, I would advise simply not using an XML file to
> represent the data, unless such a file is indeed attainable, whether
> actually existing on the file system or not. If a file like this can be
> generated at a given URL or by a command to the server, that would also
> be neato, but if nothing like the really exists, I would advise
> re-writing the page without the XML at all.
>
> All of this is assuming that I am understanding what you are saying - in
> that, whomever wrote the documentation simply used XML as a way to
> present the data. I would suggest, rather, a screen-shot of the actual
> page, or what the actual page looks like.
The file produced by the server IS an XML file.
Mike
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From darkeye at tyrell.hu Thu Feb 26 06:54:42 2004
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 07:54:42 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Problem with liveice
In-Reply-To: <403D1847.4070105@kucs.net>
Message-ID: <403D9832.4040604@tyrell.hu>
EvilOverlord wrote:
> Well that would be the problem, liveice doesn't currently work with
> Icecast v2 servers, there is an update coming real soon now (tm)
you might want to try darkice then...
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de Thu Feb 26 08:51:49 2004
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 09:51:49 +0100
Subject: [icecast] IceCast binary strange error on startup
In-Reply-To: <opr3viw6hbxej5dn@mx.freenet.de>
Message-ID: <403DB3A5.7080007@folkwang-hochschule.de>
you can try to runn ldconfig as root, maybe the ssl libs are not yet
in the linker cache.
also, try ldd /wherever/icecast, to get a complete list of dependencies.
also, check whether you have a symbolic link from libssl.so.4 to the
actual library (something like libssl.so.4.x.x probably).
Nils St?nkel wrote:
> Hi folks!
>
> I'm trying to run icecast2.0.0-1 on my router machine. Since this is a
> Pentium 75 with minimal configuration, I'd like not to compile it, but
> downloaded the binary distribution. After installing and configuring
> (not my first, others were on Win32) everything looks fine, but ... well
> look for yourself:
>
> <----------------------->
> nserv:~ # icecast
> icecast: error while loading shared libraries: libssl.so.4: cannot open
> shared object file: No such file or directory
> nserv:~ # rpm -q openssl
> openssl-0.9.7b-74
> nserv:~ # rpm -q openssl-devel
> openssl-devel-0.9.7b-74
> nserv:~ #
> <----------------------->
>
> I have openssl0.9.7b WITH sources installed.
>
> Maybe there's a problem in locating the Files? I'm just getting used to
> Linux ;-))
>
>
> Facts:
> Speed: 75 MHz
> Mem: 64MB
> OS: SuSE 9.0
>
> nserv:~ # uname -a
> Linux nserv 2.4.21-192-default #1 Wed Feb 18 19:26:28 UTC 2004 i586 i586
> i386 GNU/Linux
>
>
> Thank you!
>
> Regards,
> Nils St?nkel
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From joe_jones64 at hotmail.com Thu Feb 26 14:14:01 2004
From: joe_jones64 at hotmail.com (Joe Jones)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:14:01 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Liveice problem with Icecast 1.3.12
Message-ID: <Law11-F59Ukzni5rWqB00007686@hotmail.com>
OK...since Liveice doesn't support Icecast 2 I've set up an Icecast 1.3.12
server.
<p>When I run Liveice I still get the problem:
-------------------------------------------------------
/local/liveice/temp.playlist
...... done
setup_pipes()...
Initialising pipes for stream 0
Successfuly set up fifo .liveice_temp_files/raw.pipe0
Successfuly set up fifo .liveice_temp_files/mpeg.pipe0
.... done.
encode()...
hola, encoding...
4
opening connection to localhost 8001
Created Socket pair
Attempting to Contact Server
connection successful: forking process
alarm timeout signal
Closing Soundcard
56745:Error: unable to open mpeg pipe
-------------------------------------------------------
where the client hangs.
<p>Looking at the Icecast logs shows:
-------------------------------------------------------
[26/Feb/2004:07:10:33] Accepted encoder on mountpoint /live from 127.0.0.1.
1 sources connected
-> [26/Feb/2004:07:10:58] [Bandwidth: 0.000000MB/s] [Sources: 1] [Clients:
0] [Admins: 1] [Uptime: 6 minutes]
-> [26/Feb/2004:07:11:34] Lost connection to source on mount /live, waiting
30 seconds for timeout
-> [26/Feb/2004:07:12:04] Kicking source 4 [127.0.0.1] [Client timeout
exceeded, removing source] [encoder], connected for 1 minutes and 31
seconds, 0 bytes transfered. 0 sources connected
-> [26/Feb/2004:07:12:04] Kicking all 0 clients for source 4
-------------------------------------------------------
<p>What's the problem with Liveice?
<p><p>I need something to play a list of MP3's and stream it to a
server...anything other than Liveice I can try?
<p><p>Thanks.
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From oddsock at oddsock.org Thu Feb 26 14:28:01 2004
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 08:28:01 -0600
Subject: [icecast] XML statistics?
In-Reply-To: <403D91E9.4040108@hidayahonline.org>
Message-ID: <6.0.1.1.0.20040226081943.02d9aec0@www.oddsock.org>
At 12:27 AM 2/26/2004, you wrote:
<p>>>This stats file is a sort of "virtual file", created by icecast on
>>demand. It doesn't live on the filesystem at any point.
>>
>>You can request it from the server using http://server:port/admin/stats.xml
>>
>>Can you suggest some text for the documentation that would clarify this?
>>
>>Mike
>Well, I still don't get an XML file when I visit that page on my
>server. Granted, all the information that is in the file is there,
>however, I can't use PHP's nifty XML parsing tools to get that information.
I think you are misunderstanding something. The stats XML is not accessed
via a file on the file system (I.e. you shouldn't expect to see a physical
stats.xml file). I'm a bit confused by your statement that you don't get
an XML file when you visit the link, but yet you also say that "all the
information that is in the file is there"...what exactly do you see when
you visit the http://server:port/admin/stats link ?
perhaps your confusion is that you dont actually need a XML file in order
to parse it in PHP....You can retrieve it via a URL call. I think you can
do something like :
$handle = fopen("http://user:password at server:port/admin/stats", "r");
and then proceed to parse it using PHP's XML parsing routines...and I know
there are a lot of people who actually do exactly this...
oddsock
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From admin at hidayahonline.org Thu Feb 26 15:38:05 2004
From: admin at hidayahonline.org (HidayahOnline.org Admin)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:38:05 -0500
Subject: [icecast] XML statistics?
In-Reply-To: <6.0.1.1.0.20040226081943.02d9aec0@www.oddsock.org>
Message-ID: <403E12DD.3070502@hidayahonline.org>
oddsock wrote:
> Well, I still don't get an XML file when I visit that page on my
> server. Granted, all the information that is in the file is there,
> however, I can't use PHP's nifty XML parsing tools to get that
> information.
>
> I think you are misunderstanding something. The stats XML is not
> accessed via a file on the file system (I.e. you shouldn't expect to
> see a physical stats.xml file). I'm a bit confused by your statement
> that you don't get an XML file when you visit the link, but yet you
> also say that "all the information that is in the file is
> there"...what exactly do you see when you visit the
> http://server:port/admin/stats link ?
> perhaps your confusion is that you dont actually need a XML file in
> order to parse it in PHP....You can retrieve it via a URL call. I
> think you can do something like :
>
> $handle = fopen("http://user:password at server:port/admin/stats", "r");
>
> and then proceed to parse it using PHP's XML parsing routines...and I
> know there are a lot of people who actually do exactly this...
>
> oddsock
I'm SURE I am misunderstanding something. What I get when I visit
http://server:port/admin/stats....wait a minute, I just went to /stats,
instead of /stats.xsl, and I see what you guys mean...:)
So there is a page "stats", which exists virtually, and a page
"stats.xsl", that I kept linking to. So, minus ".xsl", I get the pure
generated XML file.
NOW I GET IT! :)
Thanks a lot for all that commented, but I THINK there should be a
clarification on THIS point. Am I the only one to have been duped by
this? :)
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From mike at linuxlink.com Thu Feb 26 16:24:23 2004
From: mike at linuxlink.com (Michael H. Collins)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:24:23 -0600
Subject: [icecast] XML statistics?
In-Reply-To: <403D91E9.4040108@hidayahonline.org>
Message-ID: <403E1DB7.9040407@linuxlink.com>
I have no prob seeing stats with mozilla. Icecast has come so far in a
year. Last year at this time there was no need for stats. hehe We were
just glad to get the stream out.
<p><p>HidayahOnline.org Admin wrote:
>
>>
>> This stats file is a sort of "virtual file", created by icecast on
>> demand. It doesn't live on the filesystem at any point.
>>
>> You can request it from the server using
>> http://server:port/admin/stats.xml
>>
>> Can you suggest some text for the documentation that would clarify this?
>>
>> Mike
>>
> Well, I still don't get an XML file when I visit that page on my
> server. Granted, all the information that is in the file is there,
> however, I can't use PHP's nifty XML parsing tools to get that
> information.
>
> To clarify the point, I would advise simply not using an XML file to
> represent the data, unless such a file is indeed attainable, whether
> actually existing on the file system or not. If a file like this can
> be generated at a given URL or by a command to the server, that would
> also be neato, but if nothing like the really exists, I would advise
> re-writing the page without the XML at all.
>
> All of this is assuming that I am understanding what you are saying -
> in that, whomever wrote the documentation simply used XML as a way to
> present the data. I would suggest, rather, a screen-shot of the
> actual page, or what the actual page looks like.
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From admin at hidayahonline.org Thu Feb 26 16:42:09 2004
From: admin at hidayahonline.org (HidayahOnline.org Admin)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:42:09 -0500
Subject: [icecast] XML statistics?
In-Reply-To: <403E1DB7.9040407@linuxlink.com>
Message-ID: <403E21E1.3090802@hidayahonline.org>
Michael H. Collins wrote:
> I have no prob seeing stats with mozilla. Icecast has come so far in
> a year. Last year at this time there was no need for stats. hehe We
> were just glad to get the stream out.
>
>
>
> HidayahOnline.org Admin wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> This stats file is a sort of "virtual file", created by icecast on
>>> demand. It doesn't live on the filesystem at any point.
>>>
>>> You can request it from the server using
>>> http://server:port/admin/stats.xml
>>>
>>> Can you suggest some text for the documentation that would clarify
>>> this?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
For further clarification, I missed that Mike had references
"stats.xml", which I read, simply, as "stats.xsl". I was only going to
.xsl, before. Both "/stats" and "/stats.xml" produce the appropriate
XML file I have been seeking. I am now successfully displaying
Title/Artist (in this case, reciter, not really artist) on the front
page of my site.
This XML stuff is really neat. :)
And, in reference to Chup's comments, I didn't mean to be disrespectful
in any way, i.e., "I PAID NOTHING FOR THIS SOFTWARE, SO WHY DOESN'T IT
WORK LIKE THE $4,000 REALAUDIO SERVER!" I hope I didn't come off that
way. ;)
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From adon at yorku.ca Thu Feb 26 16:51:41 2004
From: adon at yorku.ca (Adon Irani)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 11:51:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] and the baAzar ??
In-Reply-To: <403E21E1.3090802@hidayahonline.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0402261149150.1414@sunburn.ccs.yorku.ca>
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, HidayahOnline.org Admin wrote:
>
> And, in reference to Chup's comments, I didn't mean to be disrespectful
> in any way, i.e., "I PAID NOTHING FOR THIS SOFTWARE, SO WHY DOESN'T IT
> WORK LIKE THE $4,000 REALAUDIO SERVER!" I hope I didn't come off that
> way. ;)
<p>you gots to pay with code and sweat :) .. . but if you did have $4k to
drop , im sure SOMEONE has a paypal setup !! hehe . .
a.
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From mike at linuxlink.com Thu Feb 26 16:59:36 2004
From: mike at linuxlink.com (Michael H. Collins)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 10:59:36 -0600
Subject: [icecast] and the baAzar ??
In-Reply-To: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0402261149150.1414@sunburn.ccs.yorku.ca>
Message-ID: <403E25F8.5010505@linuxlink.com>
ROFLMAO
no I didn't take anything bad. I pay nothing to stream audio from ten
venues at sxsw.com every year. I am now setting up servers other places
so anyonecan listen to any austin music when ever it is playing.
listen to the bands that will be at sxsw at
http://server1.sxsw.com:8000/sxsw.ogg
M.H. Tex Collins
Admiral, Penguinista Navy.
Adon Irani wrote:
>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, HidayahOnline.org Admin wrote:
>
>
>
>>And, in reference to Chup's comments, I didn't mean to be disrespectful
>>in any way, i.e., "I PAID NOTHING FOR THIS SOFTWARE, SO WHY DOESN'T IT
>>WORK LIKE THE $4,000 REALAUDIO SERVER!" I hope I didn't come off that
>>way. ;)
>>
>>
>
>
>you gots to pay with code and sweat :) .. . but if you did have $4k to
>drop , im sure SOMEONE has a paypal setup !! hehe . .
>
>a.
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr Thu Feb 26 18:01:07 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 19:01:07 +0100
Subject: [icecast] XML statistics on remote server
In-Reply-To: <403E21E1.3090802@hidayahonline.org>
Message-ID: <20040226180121.ED9B35329BB@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Hi everybody,
I am wondering if it is possible to generate the XML/XSL files on a remote
server (status.xsl, status2.xsl or stats.xsl). I am trying to create a
player that parses status.xml every 20 seconds in order to show the
currently played song (my player doesn't support ICY). Here is the problem:
if 1000 users are currently connected, status.xsl will be requested 3000
times in a minute, what really increase my Icecast server's CPU. For this
reason, I would like to generate such an XML/XSL file on my web server which
is a lot more powerful. I know I can store an XSL file on my web server
(let's call it "statusWEB.xsl") that would parse the original status.xsl;
but it doesn't change anything because if I call statusWEB.xsl into my
player, it will parse status.xsl, what means my Icecast server will be
contacted still 3000 times per minute...
I guess I can solve this problem either by:
- Setting up Icecast to PUSH status.xsl on a remote web server (is that
possible??) maybe with php or FTP.
- Create a script that would AUTOMATICALLY download status.xsl from Icecast
and make a copy on the web server. This script shouldn't need to be called
by any listener. I mean, it should do its job automatically by itself
without needing to be requested (because if it is requested 3000 times per
minute, it doesn't change anything at the problem)
Any idea??
Thanks in advance for any help!
MAX
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From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf Of
HidayahOnline.org Admin
Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 5:42 PM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [icecast] XML statistics?
Michael H. Collins wrote:
> I have no prob seeing stats with mozilla. Icecast has come so far in
> a year. Last year at this time there was no need for stats. hehe We
> were just glad to get the stream out.
>
>
>
> HidayahOnline.org Admin wrote:
>
>>
>>>
>>> This stats file is a sort of "virtual file", created by icecast on
>>> demand. It doesn't live on the filesystem at any point.
>>>
>>> You can request it from the server using
>>> http://server:port/admin/stats.xml
>>>
>>> Can you suggest some text for the documentation that would clarify
>>> this?
>>>
>>> Mike
>>
For further clarification, I missed that Mike had references
"stats.xml", which I read, simply, as "stats.xsl". I was only going to
.xsl, before. Both "/stats" and "/stats.xml" produce the appropriate
XML file I have been seeking. I am now successfully displaying
Title/Artist (in this case, reciter, not really artist) on the front
page of my site.
This XML stuff is really neat. :)
And, in reference to Chup's comments, I didn't mean to be disrespectful
in any way, i.e., "I PAID NOTHING FOR THIS SOFTWARE, SO WHY DOESN'T IT
WORK LIKE THE $4,000 REALAUDIO SERVER!" I hope I didn't come off that
way. ;)
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From adon at yorku.ca Thu Feb 26 18:23:23 2004
From: adon at yorku.ca (Adon Irani)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 13:23:23 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] XML statistics on remote server
In-Reply-To: <20040226180121.ED9B35329BB@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0402261321580.1414@sunburn.ccs.yorku.ca>
what i did in this situation was dump the stats/status file to the local
server through a lynx --dump call from php .. and then i also update a
sql table to reflect the changes so i can poll that instead ..
a.
<p>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, MacSym wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I am wondering if it is possible to generate the XML/XSL files on a remote
> server (status.xsl, status2.xsl or stats.xsl). I am trying to create a
> player that parses status.xml every 20 seconds in order to show the
> currently played song (my player doesn't support ICY). Here is the problem:
> if 1000 users are currently connected, status.xsl will be requested 3000
> times in a minute, what really increase my Icecast server's CPU. For this
> reason, I would like to generate such an XML/XSL file on my web server which
> is a lot more powerful. I know I can store an XSL file on my web server
> (let's call it "statusWEB.xsl") that would parse the original status.xsl;
> but it doesn't change anything because if I call statusWEB.xsl into my
> player, it will parse status.xsl, what means my Icecast server will be
> contacted still 3000 times per minute...
>
> I guess I can solve this problem either by:
> - Setting up Icecast to PUSH status.xsl on a remote web server (is that
> possible??) maybe with php or FTP.
> - Create a script that would AUTOMATICALLY download status.xsl from Icecast
> and make a copy on the web server. This script shouldn't need to be called
> by any listener. I mean, it should do its job automatically by itself
> without needing to be requested (because if it is requested 3000 times per
> minute, it doesn't change anything at the problem)
>
> Any idea??
>
> Thanks in advance for any help!
>
> MAX
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf Of
> HidayahOnline.org Admin
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 5:42 PM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: Re: [icecast] XML statistics?
>
> Michael H. Collins wrote:
>
> > I have no prob seeing stats with mozilla. Icecast has come so far in
> > a year. Last year at this time there was no need for stats. hehe We
> > were just glad to get the stream out.
> >
> >
> >
> > HidayahOnline.org Admin wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>> This stats file is a sort of "virtual file", created by icecast on
> >>> demand. It doesn't live on the filesystem at any point.
> >>>
> >>> You can request it from the server using
> >>> http://server:port/admin/stats.xml
> >>>
> >>> Can you suggest some text for the documentation that would clarify
> >>> this?
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>
> For further clarification, I missed that Mike had references
> "stats.xml", which I read, simply, as "stats.xsl". I was only going to
> .xsl, before. Both "/stats" and "/stats.xml" produce the appropriate
> XML file I have been seeking. I am now successfully displaying
> Title/Artist (in this case, reciter, not really artist) on the front
> page of my site.
>
> This XML stuff is really neat. :)
>
> And, in reference to Chup's comments, I didn't mean to be disrespectful
> in any way, i.e., "I PAID NOTHING FOR THIS SOFTWARE, SO WHY DOESN'T IT
> WORK LIKE THE $4,000 REALAUDIO SERVER!" I hope I didn't come off that
> way. ;)
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr Thu Feb 26 21:40:08 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:40:08 +0100
Subject: [icecast] XML statistics on remote server
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Interesting! Can you tell me more about how you did it?
Thanks in advance,
MAX
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Subject: Re: [icecast] XML statistics on remote server
<p>what i did in this situation was dump the stats/status file to the local
server through a lynx --dump call from php .. and then i also update a
sql table to reflect the changes so i can poll that instead ..
a.
<p>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, MacSym wrote:
>
> Hi everybody,
>
> I am wondering if it is possible to generate the XML/XSL files on a remote
> server (status.xsl, status2.xsl or stats.xsl). I am trying to create a
> player that parses status.xml every 20 seconds in order to show the
> currently played song (my player doesn't support ICY). Here is the
problem:
> if 1000 users are currently connected, status.xsl will be requested 3000
> times in a minute, what really increase my Icecast server's CPU. For this
> reason, I would like to generate such an XML/XSL file on my web server
which
> is a lot more powerful. I know I can store an XSL file on my web server
> (let's call it "statusWEB.xsl") that would parse the original status.xsl;
> but it doesn't change anything because if I call statusWEB.xsl into my
> player, it will parse status.xsl, what means my Icecast server will be
> contacted still 3000 times per minute...
>
> I guess I can solve this problem either by:
> - Setting up Icecast to PUSH status.xsl on a remote web server (is that
> possible??) maybe with php or FTP.
> - Create a script that would AUTOMATICALLY download status.xsl from
Icecast
> and make a copy on the web server. This script shouldn't need to be called
> by any listener. I mean, it should do its job automatically by itself
> without needing to be requested (because if it is requested 3000 times per
> minute, it doesn't change anything at the problem)
>
> Any idea??
>
> Thanks in advance for any help!
>
> MAX
>
>
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> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf Of
> HidayahOnline.org Admin
> Sent: Thursday, February 26, 2004 5:42 PM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: Re: [icecast] XML statistics?
>
> Michael H. Collins wrote:
>
> > I have no prob seeing stats with mozilla. Icecast has come so far in
> > a year. Last year at this time there was no need for stats. hehe We
> > were just glad to get the stream out.
> >
> >
> >
> > HidayahOnline.org Admin wrote:
> >
> >>
> >>>
> >>> This stats file is a sort of "virtual file", created by icecast on
> >>> demand. It doesn't live on the filesystem at any point.
> >>>
> >>> You can request it from the server using
> >>> http://server:port/admin/stats.xml
> >>>
> >>> Can you suggest some text for the documentation that would clarify
> >>> this?
> >>>
> >>> Mike
> >>
> For further clarification, I missed that Mike had references
> "stats.xml", which I read, simply, as "stats.xsl". I was only going to
> .xsl, before. Both "/stats" and "/stats.xml" produce the appropriate
> XML file I have been seeking. I am now successfully displaying
> Title/Artist (in this case, reciter, not really artist) on the front
> page of my site.
>
> This XML stuff is really neat. :)
>
> And, in reference to Chup's comments, I didn't mean to be disrespectful
> in any way, i.e., "I PAID NOTHING FOR THIS SOFTWARE, SO WHY DOESN'T IT
> WORK LIKE THE $4,000 REALAUDIO SERVER!" I hope I didn't come off that
> way. ;)
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From jrgalan at yahoo.com Thu Feb 26 22:40:44 2004
From: jrgalan at yahoo.com (jensen galan)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 14:40:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] stats.xml login?
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i've been trying to figure out how to create a "now
playing" on my website from the status.xsl or
stats.xml file for a while also. so, i can really
appreciate the current dialogue.
here's my current hump.
i can view the status.xsl file at:
http://server:8000/status.xsl
however, when i go to:
http://server:8000/admin/stats
and am prompted for my password, i can not log in.
i tried the username as "source" and "admin", paired
with the password defined in the config file.
any suggestions?
thanks
jg
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From eviloverlord at kucs.net Thu Feb 26 22:51:52 2004
From: eviloverlord at kucs.net (EvilOverlord)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 22:51:52 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Liveice problem with Icecast 1.3.12
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Message-ID: <403E7888.8030406@kucs.net>
Joe Jones wrote:
> OK...since Liveice doesn't support Icecast 2 I've set up an Icecast
> 1.3.12 server.
>
>
> When I run Liveice I still get the problem:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> /local/liveice/temp.playlist
> ...... done
> setup_pipes()...
> Initialising pipes for stream 0
> Successfuly set up fifo .liveice_temp_files/raw.pipe0
> Successfuly set up fifo .liveice_temp_files/mpeg.pipe0
> .... done.
> encode()...
> hola, encoding...
> 4
> opening connection to localhost 8001
> Created Socket pair
> Attempting to Contact Server
> connection successful: forking process
>
> alarm timeout signal
> Closing Soundcard
>
> 56745:Error: unable to open mpeg pipe
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
> where the client hangs.
>
>
> Looking at the Icecast logs shows:
>
> -------------------------------------------------------
> [26/Feb/2004:07:10:33] Accepted encoder on mountpoint /live from
> 127.0.0.1. 1 sources connected
> -> [26/Feb/2004:07:10:58] [Bandwidth: 0.000000MB/s] [Sources: 1]
> [Clients: 0] [Admins: 1] [Uptime: 6 minutes]
> -> [26/Feb/2004:07:11:34] Lost connection to source on mount /live,
> waiting 30 seconds for timeout
> -> [26/Feb/2004:07:12:04] Kicking source 4 [127.0.0.1] [Client timeout
> exceeded, removing source] [encoder], connected for 1 minutes and 31
> seconds, 0 bytes transfered. 0 sources connected
> -> [26/Feb/2004:07:12:04] Kicking all 0 clients for source 4
> -------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> What's the problem with Liveice?
>
>
>
> I need something to play a list of MP3's and stream it to a
> server...anything other than Liveice I can try?
>
>
>
> Thanks.
I'm not entirely sure what that problem is there, however why do you
need a live encoder if you're just playing mp3s? Use IceS 1 to play the
mp3 files directly to the Icecast Server.
Stephen
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From adon at yorku.ca Thu Feb 26 23:15:15 2004
From: adon at yorku.ca (Adon Irani)
Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:15:15 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] XML statistics on remote server
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> Interesting! Can you tell me more about how you did it?
>
hi max ., here's some code . . (its for http://theDV8network.com , w/ 2
radio channels , and a possible live feed -- but you should be able to use
the functions accordingly )
let me know if i can help w/ anything else ..
a.
--
function check_listeners( $mountpoint, $stream ) {
global $CONFIG;
// $mountpoint = channel1, channel2, dv8_live
// $stream = 'dialup', 'hispeed', 'mp3', 'ogg'
if( $mountpoint == "dv8_live" ) {
if( $stream == "mp3" ) $mountpoint = 'channel1_mp3';
elseif( $stream == "ogg" ) $mountpoint = 'dv8_live.ogg';
}elseif( $mountpoint == "1" ) {
if( $stream == "mp3" ) $mountpoint = 'channel1_mp3';
elseif( $stream == "dialup" ) $mountpoint =
'channel1_dialup.ogg';
elseif( $stream == "hispeed" ) $mountpoint =
'channel1_hispeed.ogg';
}elseif( $mountpoint == "2" ) {
if( $stream == "mp3" ) $mountpoint = 'channel2_mp3';
elseif( $stream == "dialup" ) $mountpoint =
'channel2_dialup.ogg';
elseif( $stream == "hispeed" ) $mountpoint =
'channel2_hispeed.ogg';
}
if( !file_exists( '/tmp/icecast_status.xsl' )) {
echo '<br>check_transcoder :: creating new file';
$exec_command = 'lynx
http://'.$CONFIG['primaryhost'].':8000/status.xsl --dump >
/tmp/icecast_status.xsl';
exec( $exec_command );
}
$exec_command = 'cat /tmp/icecast_status.xsl | grep -A5
'.$mountpoint.' | grep Listeners | cut -c 47- ';
$count = exec($exec_command );
if( $count > "" && $count >= 0 ) return $count;
else return -1;
}
function check_title( $mountpoint ) {
global $CONFIG;
// $mountpoint = channel1, channel2, dv8_live
if( $mountpoint == "dv8_live" ) {
$mountpoint1 = 'dv8_live.ogg';
} elseif( $mountpoint == "1" ) {
$mountpoint1 = 'channel1_dialup.ogg';
$mountpoint2 = 'channel1_hispeed.ogg';
} elseif( $mountpoint == "2" ) {
$mountpoint1 = 'channel2_dialup.ogg';
$mountpoint2 = 'channel2_hispeed.ogg';
}
$exec_command = 'lynx
http://'.$CONFIG['primaryhost'].':8000/status.xsl --dump | grep -A5
'.$mountpoint.' | grep Listeners | cut -c 47- ';
$count = exec($exec_command );
if( $count > "" && $count >= 0 ) return $count;
else return -1;
}
<p>function check_stream( ) {
global $CONFIG;
// update listeners status.xsl
$exec_command = 'lynx
http://'.$CONFIG['primaryhost'].':8000/status.xsl --dump >
/tmp/icecast_status.xsl';
exec( $exec_command );
$threehrsago = date( "YmdHis", strtotime( ' -5 hours' ));
$channel1 = false;
$channel2 = false;
$dv8live_id = false;
$sql_result = query("SELECT * FROM ices_session WHERE
timestamp>=\"".$threehrsago."\" ORDER BY id ASC");
// theses are the id's which SHOULD BE ..
if( mysql_num_rows( $sql_result )) {
for( $x=0; $x < mysql_num_rows( $sql_result ); $x++ ) {
$sql_entry = mysql_fetch_array($sql_result);
if( $sql_entry['playlist'] == 'dv8_live' ) {
$sql_result2 = query("SELECT * FROM
archive WHERE status=\"livesync\" ");
$sql_entry2 =
mysql_fetch_array($sql_result2);
$dv8live_id = $sql_entry2['id'];
}elseif( $sql_entry['channel'] == '1' ) {
$channel1_file = $sql_entry['playlist'];
$channel1_id = $sql_entry['listenid'];
}elseif( $sql_entry['channel'] == '2' ) {
$channel2_file = $sql_entry['playlist'];
$channel2_id = $sql_entry['listenid'];
}
}
}
// should have most recent ices_session for each mountpoint during past 3
hrs
// however, these might not be active currently .
// compare actual playlist
$live = false;
if( $dv8live_id > 0 ) {
// check listener count on live stream to be sure it
exists
$transcode = check_listeners( 'dv8_live', 'mp3' );
$cur_live = check_listeners( 'dv8_live', 'ogg' );
if( $cur_live == "-1" ) $cur_live = 0;
$cur_listeners = $cur_live;
if( $transcode >= 0 ) {
$cur_listeners -= 1;
$cur_listeners += $transcode;
}
if( $cur_listeners >= 0 ) {
// show is live , allow link to listen .
$live['3'] = $dv8live_id;
}
}
if( $channel1_id > 0 ) {
if( file_exists(
$CONFIG['livesync_dir'].'/channel1_dialup.txt' )) {
$exec_command = 'cat
'.$CONFIG['livesync_dir'].'/channel1_dialup.txt';
$playlist_dialup = exec( $exec_command );
}
if( file_exists(
$CONFIG['livesync_dir'].'/channel1_hispeed.txt' )) {
$exec_command = 'cat
'.$CONFIG['livesync_dir'].'/channel1_hispeed.txt';
$playlist_hispeed = exec( $exec_command );
}
if( $channel1_file == $playlist_dialup || $channel1_file
== $playlist_hispeed ) {
// there is a match , check listener count to be
sure stream exists
$cur_dialup = check_listeners( '1', 'dialup' );
$cur_hispeed = check_listeners( '1', 'hispeed' );
if( $cur_dialup >= 0 || $cur_hispeed >= 0 ) {
// show is live , allow link to listen .
$live['1'] = $channel1_id;
}
}
}
if( $channel2_id > 0 ) {
if( file_exists(
$CONFIG['livesync_dir'].'/channel2_dialup.txt' )) {
$exec_command = 'cat
'.$CONFIG['livesync_dir'].'/channel2_dialup.txt';
$playlist_dialup = exec( $exec_command );
}
if( file_exists(
$CONFIG['livesync_dir'].'/channel2_hispeed.txt' )) {
$exec_command = 'cat
'.$CONFIG['livesync_dir'].'/channel2_hispeed.txt';
$playlist_hispeed = exec( $exec_command );
}
if( $channel2_file == $playlist_dialup || $channel2_file
== $playlist_hispeed ) {
// there is a match , check listener count to be
sure stream exists
$cur_dialup = check_listeners( '2', 'dialup' );
$cur_hispeed = check_listeners( '2', 'hispeed' );
if( $cur_dialup >= 0 || $cur_hispeed >= 0 ) {
// show is live , allow link to listen .
$live['2'] = $channel2_id;
}
}
}
return $live;
}
<p>---
<p>$streams = check_stream( );
$channel1_id = $streams['1'];
$channel2_id = $streams['2'];
$dv8live_id = $streams['3'];
echo '<br>rhizome-x_listeners :: ch1('.$channel1_id.') _
ch2('.$channel2_id.') _ live('.$dv8live_id.') ';
// ensure that no transcoder sessions run on -- i think this crashes
icecast
$dv8live = check_listeners( 'dv8_live', 'ogg' );
$cur_dialup = check_listeners( '1', 'dialup' );
$cur_hispeed = check_listeners( '1', 'hispeed' );
if(( $dv8live == "-1" && $cur_dialup == "-1" && $cur_hispeed == "-1" ) ||
($cur_dialup == "-1" && $cur_hispeed == "-1")) {
// echo '<br>rhizome-x_listeners :: clear ch1 ';
// stop_ices( '1' );
// stop_transcoder( '1' );
}
$cur_dialup = check_listeners( '2', 'dialup' );
$cur_hispeed = check_listeners( '2', 'hispeed' );
if( $cur_dialup == "-1" && $cur_hispeed == "-1" ) {
// echo '<br>rhizome-x_listeners :: clear ch2 ';
// stop_ices( '2' );
// stop_transcoder( '2' );
}
//var_dump( $streams );
if( !isset( $dv8live_id )) {
// echo 'rhizome-x_listeners :: purge dv8_live sessions';
$sql_result = query("DELETE FROM ices_session WHERE channel=\"1\"
AND playlist=\"dv8_live\" ");
}
if( !isset( $channel1_id )) {
// echo 'rhizome-x_listeners :: purge channel 1 sessions';
$sql_result = query("DELETE FROM ices_session WHERE channel=\"1\"
AND playlist!=\"dv8_live\" ");
}
if( !isset( $channel2_id )) {
// echo 'rhizome-x_listeners :: purge channel 2 sessions';
$sql_result = query("DELETE FROM ices_session WHERE channel=\"2\"
");
}
if( $streams['3'] > 0 ) {
$sql_result = query("SELECT * FROM archive WHERE
status=\"livesync\" ");
if( mysql_num_rows( $sql_result )) {
$sql_entry = mysql_fetch_array($sql_result);
$channel1 = $sql_entry['title'];
$sql_result = query("SELECT * FROM ices_session WHERE
playlist=\"dv8_live\" ORDER BY id DESC ");
$sql_entry = mysql_fetch_array($sql_result);
$check_id = $sql_entry['id'];
// if( strlen( $channel1 ) > intval(FORMAT_WIDTH/2) )
$channel1 = substr( $channel1, 0, intval(FORMAT_WIDTH/2)-3 ).'...';
$query_update = 'UPDATE ices_session SET
title="'.$channel1.'" ';
$query_update .= 'WHERE id="'.$check_id.'" ';
$result_update = query( $query_update );
$transcode = check_listeners( 'dv8_live', 'mp3' );
$cur_dv8live = check_listeners( 'dv8_live', 'ogg' );
if( $cur_dv8live == "-1" ) $cur_dv8live = 0;
$cur_listeners = $cur_dv8live;
if( $transcode >= 0 ) {
$cur_listeners -= 1;
$cur_listeners += $transcode;
}
$query_update = 'UPDATE ices_session SET
listeners="'.$cur_listeners.'" ';
$query_update .= 'WHERE id="'.$check_id.'" ';
$result_update = query( $query_update );
}
}
if( $streams['1'] > 0 ) {
$sql_result = query("SELECT *, archive.title as show_title,
ices_session.id as ices_id FROM ices_session LEFT JOIN archive ON
ices_session.listenid=archive.id WHERE archive.id=\"".$channel1_id."\"
ORDER BY ices_id DESC ");
$add = false;
while( $sql_entry = mysql_fetch_array($sql_result)) {
$channel1 = $sql_entry['show_title'];
$check_id = $sql_entry['ices_id'];
$query_update = 'UPDATE ices_session SET
title="'.$channel1.'" ';
$query_update .= 'WHERE listenid="'.$channel1_id.'" AND
id="'.$check_id.'" ';
$result_update = query( $query_update );
if( !$add ) {
$transcode = check_listeners( '1', 'mp3' );
$cur_dialup = check_listeners( '1', 'dialup' );
$cur_hispeed = check_listeners( '1', 'hispeed' );
if( $cur_dialup == "-1" ) $cur_dialup = 0;
if( $cur_hispeed == "-1" ) $cur_hispeed = 0;
$cur_listeners = $cur_dialup + $cur_hispeed;
if( $transcode >= 0 ) {
$cur_listeners -= 1;
$cur_listeners += $transcode;
}
$add=true;
}
$query_update = 'UPDATE ices_session SET
listeners="'.$cur_listeners.'" ';
$query_update .= 'WHERE listenid="'.$channel1_id.'" AND
channel="1" AND id="'.$check_id.'" ';
$result_update = query( $query_update );
}
}
if( $streams['2'] > 0 ) {
$sql_result = query("SELECT *, archive.title as show_title,
ices_session.id as ices_id FROM archive LEFT JOIN ices_session ON
ices_session.listenid=archive.id WHERE archive.id=\"".$channel2_id."\"
ORDER BY ices_id DESC ");
$add = false;
while( $sql_entry = mysql_fetch_array($sql_result)) {
$channel2 = $sql_entry['show_title'];
$check_id = $sql_entry['ices_id'];
$query_update = 'UPDATE ices_session SET
title="'.$channel2.'" ';
$query_update .= 'WHERE listenid="'.$channel2_id.'" ';
$result_update = query( $query_update );
if( !$add ) {
$transcode = check_listeners( '2', 'mp3' );
$cur_dialup = check_listeners( '2', 'dialup' );
$cur_hispeed = check_listeners( '2', 'hispeed' );
if( $cur_dialup == "-1" ) $cur_dialup = 0;
if( $cur_hispeed == "-1" ) $cur_hispeed = 0;
$cur_listeners = $cur_dialup + $cur_hispeed;
if( $transcode >= 0 ) {
$cur_listeners -= 1;
$cur_listeners += $transcode;
}
$add = true;
}
$query_update = 'UPDATE ices_session SET
listeners="'.$cur_listeners.'" ';
$query_update .= 'WHERE listenid="'.$channel2_id.'" AND
channel="2" AND id="'.$check_id.'" ';
$result_update = query( $query_update );
}
}
<p><p>--
ices_session sql ..
<p># Table structure for table `ices_session`
#
CREATE TABLE ices_session (
id int(11) NOT NULL auto_increment,
listenid int(11) NOT NULL default '0',
channel enum('1','2') NOT NULL default '1',
playlist varchar(64) NOT NULL default '',
timestamp timestamp(14) NOT NULL,
listeners int(11) NOT NULL default '0',
title varchar(64) NOT NULL default '',
KEY id (id)
) TYPE=MyISAM;
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Fri Feb 27 15:58:29 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 01:58:29 +1000
Subject: [icecast] stats.xml login?
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402280157490.774-100000@data.home>
Hi:
You retrieve the stats.xml file using the admin username and password as
defined in the config file.
Geoff.
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Fri Feb 27 16:00:14 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:00:14 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Liveice problem with Icecast 1.3.12
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F59Ukzni5rWqB00007686@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402280158470.774-100000@data.home>
On Thu, 26 Feb 2004, Joe Jones wrote:
> alarm timeout signal
> Closing Soundcard
>
> 56745:Error: unable to open mpeg pipe
<p>Just guessing, but might this be some kind of permissions thing, either
with the pipe or the soundcard?
Geoff.
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Fri Feb 27 16:02:58 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 02:02:58 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Icecast and realtime streams
In-Reply-To: <AOEPICFLLCLCPODPEJKOAEPACKAA.joku@ranssi.paivola.net>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402280201110.774-100000@data.home>
Hi:
Assuming you're using *nix:
For MP3 you can use darkice or streamtranscoder, or the oddcast plugin for
XMMS. for ogg stream, all of the above plus ices2.
Geoff.
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From tiagocruz at linuxdicas.com.br Fri Feb 27 16:42:49 2004
From: tiagocruz at linuxdicas.com.br (Tiago Cruz)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 13:42:49 -0300
Subject: [icecast] FreeRadio On-line
Message-ID: <1077900169.1965.107.camel@localhost>
See: http://uk2.lugradio.org/
Somewere heve more example of radio using icecast, for me? :)
--
Abra?os,
Tiago Cruz
Org. King de Contab. S/C Ltda.
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From admin at hidayahonline.org Fri Feb 27 16:52:03 2004
From: admin at hidayahonline.org (HidayahOnline.org Admin)
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 11:52:03 -0500
Subject: [icecast] FreeRadio On-line
In-Reply-To: <1077900169.1965.107.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <403F75B3.8030703@hidayahonline.org>
Tiago Cruz wrote:
>See: http://uk2.lugradio.org/
>
>Somewere heve more example of radio using icecast, for me? :)
>
>
>
Well, I'm running a test of Qur'an radio on my site, HidayahOnline.org.
http://hidayahonline.org
There are links in the latest news, and also you can click on the title
in the left-hand column, where it says "Hidayah Online Radio - Now Playing"
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From rojo at nocrew.org Fri Feb 27 17:47:15 2004
From: rojo at nocrew.org (Rolf Johansson)
Date: 27 Feb 2004 18:47:15 +0100
Subject: [icecast] FreeRadio On-line
In-Reply-To: <1077900169.1965.107.camel@localhost>
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Tiago Cruz <tiagocruz at linuxdicas.com.br> writes:
> See: http://uk2.lugradio.org/
> Somewere heve more example of radio using icecast, for me? :)
I must have missed the point where Icecast is being used for this,
I only found static mp3/ogg files to download?
/rojo
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From mrakotom at free.fr Sat Feb 28 13:50:36 2004
From: mrakotom at free.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 14:50:36 +0100
Subject: [icecast] status.xsl
Message-ID: <200402281450.36313.mrakotom@free.fr>
Hi all
I'm runing Icecast2 on a Linux Box, feeded by IceS2
All are CVS version
My problems :
#1 - If I make tests on some mountpoints ( eg: /test.ogg ) and then if I
remove the source ( because I finished the test ) , the mountpoint is still
displayed in status.xsl . How to get rid of the mention of "dead"
mountpoint ?
#2 - As well as you can see at http://stko.dyndns.info:9000/status.xsl , the
bitrate is 0 . Why ? OR it is not the bitrate but the quality ?
because i'm using <quality>0</quality> in the iceS conf file ....
Thanks for your help
<p><p>
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From mrakotom at free.fr Sat Feb 28 14:05:49 2004
From: mrakotom at free.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 15:05:49 +0100
Subject: [icecast] FreeRadio On-line
In-Reply-To: <1077900169.1965.107.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <200402281505.49055.mrakotom@free.fr>
On Friday 27 February 2004 17:42, Tiago Cruz wrote:
> See: http://uk2.lugradio.org/
>
> Somewere heve more example of radio using icecast, for me? :)
ee my home page and click on Web Radio
i'm broadcasting 100% Malagasy music , in ogg format , over a 1024/256 ADSL
line ....
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Tel : +33 2 38 76 43 65
http://stko.dyndns.info/site_principal/Members/mihamina
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From allan at cloud9-bbs.freeserve.co.uk Sat Feb 28 23:11:41 2004
From: allan at cloud9-bbs.freeserve.co.uk (Allan)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 23:11:41 -0000
Subject: [icecast] icast2 SAM2
Message-ID: <016101c3fe50$3a0c28a0$0300a8c0@cloud9>
> Hi
>
> I am trying to setup icast2 and SAM2 Broadcaster
>
> I have looked at the icast2 config and some of it was a little confusing -
> basically all I have changed from the default was the passwords - all IP
and
> ports remain as the default.
>
> I have setup SAM2 Broadcaster for MPEG3pro encoder and pointed it and SAM2
> to 192.168.0.3:8000 and mount as /C100.
>
> All works fine on the LAN and I can broadcast to all the other PCs on the
> LAN without a problem.
>
>
> I have opened port 8000 on my router/firewall and forwarded it to
> 192.168.0.3.
>
> I can from the internet goto <a href="http://<my_real_IP">http://<my_real_IP</a>>:8000/admin/stats.xml
> I can login and get the XML output that shows that icast2 is broadcasting
>
> However - when I call <a href="http://<my_real_IP">http://<my_real_IP</a>>:8000/C100.m3u from the net -
> WindowsMediaPlayerV9 opens - says connecting to media - and then comes
back
> as cannot find media. Again going to http://192.168.0.3:8000/C100.m3u
works
> fine on the LAN.
>
> Can someone please help me broadcast out to the net
>
> BTW I have a 512K DSL connection and I know that I probably wont get lots
of
> listners on the badwidth, but I was hoping for at least 1 or 2
>
>
>
>
>
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Sun Feb 29 00:30:02 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 10:30:02 +1000
Subject: [icecast] icast2 SAM2
In-Reply-To: <016101c3fe50$3a0c28a0$0300a8c0@cloud9>
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Hi:
The hostname as you define it in the config file will be used to generate
the m3u file. So if it contains your 192.168 IP address, this won't work
from outside. So I'd suggest changing it in your config file to your
external IP address.
Geoff.
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From webby at seneca-rez.net Sun Feb 29 00:34:34 2004
From: webby at seneca-rez.net (Jason L)
Date: Sat, 28 Feb 2004 19:34:34 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Direct URL
Message-ID: <000a01c3fe5b$cdfaa360$1401a8c0@workstation>
Ok for shoutcast you can do http://domain.com/listen.pls to get the feed what can you do for icecast so it can be a clickable url?
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr Sun Feb 29 06:47:58 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 07:47:58 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Direct URL
In-Reply-To: <000a01c3fe5b$cdfaa360$1401a8c0@workstation>
Message-ID: <20040229064821.2532B532989@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Hi Jason,
I am not sure I understand your question, but just as Shoutcast, you can set
up a direct link to your stream in Icecast like:
http://youricecastserver:port/mountpoint.
For example: http://myradio:8000/live.ogg or http://myradio:8000/live.mp3.
If you don't like this kind of link, you can easily set up a script in
Javascript that would redirect the user to the stream. Let's say you call
this page "jump_to_stream.htm", the code would be:
<html>
<head>
<title>Jump to my Radio</title>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
</head>
<BODY
onLoad=javascript:window.location.href="http://myicecastserver:8000/mystream
.ogg">
</body>
</html>
Cheers,
MAX
_____
From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf Of
Jason L
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 1:35 AM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: [icecast] Direct URL
Ok for shoutcast you can do http://domain.com/listen.pls to get the feed
what can you do for icecast so it can be a clickable url?
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From dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de Sun Feb 29 07:38:07 2004
From: dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de (Thomas B. Ruecker, DM8TBR)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 08:38:07 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Direct URL
In-Reply-To: <000a01c3fe5b$cdfaa360$1401a8c0@workstation>
Message-ID: <00e101c3fe96$fe10f6e0$c800a8c0@puck>
Hi,
> Ok for shoutcast you can do http://domain.com/listen.pls
> to get the feed
> what can you do for icecast so it can be a clickable url?
I haven't touched sc for at least 2 years (icecast2 is so damn good),
but I think I know what you want.
Icecast2 will automagically respond with an playlist file
if e.g. a browser is pointed to http://abc.def/yourmount.ogg.m3u .
This means: appending ".m3u" to the mountpoint will give you an valid URL
you can point a webbrowser to.
This won't work if the stream is not connected.
If you want several streams to appear in this playlistfile you'll have to create this file manually and copy it into the webroot of your Icecast2 Server. Same procedure if you don???t like the automatic filename.
Regards
Thomas
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr Sun Feb 29 10:38:15 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:38:15 +0100
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
In-Reply-To: <00e101c3fe96$fe10f6e0$c800a8c0@puck>
Message-ID: <20040229103838.575E3532AB7@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Hi everybody,
I have a theoretical question here.
A 128K stream is a 128 KiloBITS (NOT kiloBYTES) per second stream; am I
right? Is a 512k internet connection a 512 kiloBITS or 512 kiloBYTES
connection?
128 KiloBITS = 16 KiloBYTES (8 bits = 1 byte). I am wondering if a 512k
connection (upload and download) could THEORITICALLY handle 4 (512/128) or
32 (512/16) 128k streams?
I am confused because I often read that to calculate the potential number of
listeners with a given connection; you just divide the connection speed by
the stream bit rate... is it true? In this case, how is doing SomaFM to
handle 4000 listeners at 128k?? Do they have a 512 MB connection???
Thanks in advance,
MAX
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From gshang at pacific.net.au Sun Feb 29 11:59:15 2004
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:59:15 +1000
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
In-Reply-To: <20040229103838.575E3532AB7@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402292154380.774-100000@data.home>
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, MacSym wrote:
> A 128K stream is a 128 KiloBITS (NOT kiloBYTES) per second stream; am I
> right?
Right.
> Is a 512k internet connection a 512 kiloBITS or 512 kiloBYTES
> connection?
Internet connections are also expressed in bits, or kilobits, not
kilobytes. In this sense, calling it a 512k connection is actually wrong,
as this implies kilobytes, not kilobits. But everyone seems to do it.
> 128 KiloBITS = 16 KiloBYTES (8 bits = 1 byte). I am wondering if a 512k
> connection (upload and download) could THEORITICALLY handle 4 (512/128) or
> 32 (512/16) 128k streams?
Unfortunately it's 4, not 32.
> I am confused because I often read that to calculate the potential number of
> listeners with a given connection; you just divide the connection speed by
> the stream bit rate... is it true? In this case, how is doing SomaFM to
> handle 4000 listeners at 128k?? Do they have a 512 MB connection???
I guess they must.
Geoff.
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr Sun Feb 29 12:16:55 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:16:55 +0100
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0402292154380.774-100000@data.home>
Message-ID: <20040229121718.C0C415329A9@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Hi Goeff,
Thanks for your precisions. You wrote: "Internet connections are also
expressed in bits, or kilobits, not Kilobytes"; then I guess a connection of
1Mb is also 1 megaBITS and NOT megaBYTES. There is something I don't
understand; how are affording small radios that have up to 1000 concurrent
listeners a 128Mb connection? Is there any magical solution I am not aware
of?
Thanks for clarifying this topic!
MAX
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From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf Of
Geoff Shang
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 12:59 PM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [icecast] bit/bytes
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, MacSym wrote:
> A 128K stream is a 128 KiloBITS (NOT kiloBYTES) per second stream; am I
> right?
Right.
> Is a 512k internet connection a 512 kiloBITS or 512 kiloBYTES
> connection?
Internet connections are also expressed in bits, or kilobits, not
kilobytes. In this sense, calling it a 512k connection is actually wrong,
as this implies kilobytes, not kilobits. But everyone seems to do it.
> 128 KiloBITS = 16 KiloBYTES (8 bits = 1 byte). I am wondering if a 512k
> connection (upload and download) could THEORITICALLY handle 4 (512/128) or
> 32 (512/16) 128k streams?
Unfortunately it's 4, not 32.
> I am confused because I often read that to calculate the potential number
of
> listeners with a given connection; you just divide the connection speed by
> the stream bit rate... is it true? In this case, how is doing SomaFM to
> handle 4000 listeners at 128k?? Do they have a 512 MB connection???
I guess they must.
Geoff.
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From joe_jones64 at hotmail.com Sun Feb 29 12:33:19 2004
From: joe_jones64 at hotmail.com (Joe Jones)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:33:19 +0000
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] bit/bytes>
Message-ID: <Law11-F31N8Aa4qBfnJ00016244@hotmail.com>
If you look at the PLS file for SomaFM's "Goove Salad" channel you'll see :
------------------------------------------------
[playlist]
numberofentries=3
File1=http://64.236.34.97:80/stream/1018
Title1=SomaFM Presents: Groove Salad 128k (Feed #1)
Length1=-1
File2=http://205.188.245.133:8076
Title2=SomaFM Presents: Groove Salad 128k (Feed #2)
Length2=-1
File3=http://server2.somafm.com:8032
Title3=SomaFM Presents: Groove Salad 128k (Feed #3)
Length3=-1
Version=2
-----------------------------------------------
So for this channel they have 3 possible feeds to spread the load over. You
could be clever and set up some sort of 'round-robbin' system to spread the
load evenly...but I imagine that in this case it's deteremined by the number
of connections per server - Feed #1 fills up to max of say 500 users...so
next user is forwarded to Feed #2.
<p>Joe.
<p>>From: "MacSym" <macsym69 at yahoo.fr>
>Reply-To: icecast at xiph.org
>To: <icecast at xiph.org>
>Subject: RE: [icecast] bit/bytes
>Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:16:55 +0100
>
>Hi Goeff,
>
>Thanks for your precisions. You wrote: "Internet connections are also
>expressed in bits, or kilobits, not Kilobytes"; then I guess a connection
>of
>1Mb is also 1 megaBITS and NOT megaBYTES. There is something I don't
>understand; how are affording small radios that have up to 1000 concurrent
>listeners a 128Mb connection? Is there any magical solution I am not aware
>of?
>
>Thanks for clarifying this topic!
>
>MAX
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf Of
>Geoff Shang
>Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 12:59 PM
>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: Re: [icecast] bit/bytes
>
>On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, MacSym wrote:
>
> > A 128K stream is a 128 KiloBITS (NOT kiloBYTES) per second stream; am I
> > right?
>
>Right.
>
> > Is a 512k internet connection a 512 kiloBITS or 512 kiloBYTES
> > connection?
>
>Internet connections are also expressed in bits, or kilobits, not
>kilobytes. In this sense, calling it a 512k connection is actually wrong,
>as this implies kilobytes, not kilobits. But everyone seems to do it.
>
> > 128 KiloBITS = 16 KiloBYTES (8 bits = 1 byte). I am wondering if a 512k
> > connection (upload and download) could THEORITICALLY handle 4 (512/128)
>or
> > 32 (512/16) 128k streams?
>
>Unfortunately it's 4, not 32.
>
> > I am confused because I often read that to calculate the potential
>number
>of
> > listeners with a given connection; you just divide the connection speed
>by
> > the stream bit rate... is it true? In this case, how is doing SomaFM to
> > handle 4000 listeners at 128k?? Do they have a 512 MB connection???
>
>I guess they must.
>
>Geoff.
>
>
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr Sun Feb 29 12:40:49 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:40:49 +0100
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
In-Reply-To: <Law11-F31N8Aa4qBfnJ00016244@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <20040229124113.02CEA5329AD@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Yeah, I knew they had several servers for the same content, but the
financial cost of such internet connections still remain the same...
Cheers,
MAX
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From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf Of
Joe Jones
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 1:33 PM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: RE: [icecast] bit/bytes
If you look at the PLS file for SomaFM's "Goove Salad" channel you'll see :
------------------------------------------------
[playlist]
numberofentries=3
File1=http://64.236.34.97:80/stream/1018
Title1=SomaFM Presents: Groove Salad 128k (Feed #1)
Length1=-1
File2=http://205.188.245.133:8076
Title2=SomaFM Presents: Groove Salad 128k (Feed #2)
Length2=-1
File3=http://server2.somafm.com:8032
Title3=SomaFM Presents: Groove Salad 128k (Feed #3)
Length3=-1
Version=2
-----------------------------------------------
So for this channel they have 3 possible feeds to spread the load over. You
could be clever and set up some sort of 'round-robbin' system to spread the
load evenly...but I imagine that in this case it's deteremined by the number
of connections per server - Feed #1 fills up to max of say 500 users...so
next user is forwarded to Feed #2.
<p>Joe.
<p>>From: "MacSym" <macsym69 at yahoo.fr>
>Reply-To: icecast at xiph.org
>To: <icecast at xiph.org>
>Subject: RE: [icecast] bit/bytes
>Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:16:55 +0100
>
>Hi Goeff,
>
>Thanks for your precisions. You wrote: "Internet connections are also
>expressed in bits, or kilobits, not Kilobytes"; then I guess a connection
>of
>1Mb is also 1 megaBITS and NOT megaBYTES. There is something I don't
>understand; how are affording small radios that have up to 1000 concurrent
>listeners a 128Mb connection? Is there any magical solution I am not aware
>of?
>
>Thanks for clarifying this topic!
>
>MAX
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf Of
>Geoff Shang
>Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 12:59 PM
>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: Re: [icecast] bit/bytes
>
>On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, MacSym wrote:
>
> > A 128K stream is a 128 KiloBITS (NOT kiloBYTES) per second stream; am I
> > right?
>
>Right.
>
> > Is a 512k internet connection a 512 kiloBITS or 512 kiloBYTES
> > connection?
>
>Internet connections are also expressed in bits, or kilobits, not
>kilobytes. In this sense, calling it a 512k connection is actually wrong,
>as this implies kilobytes, not kilobits. But everyone seems to do it.
>
> > 128 KiloBITS = 16 KiloBYTES (8 bits = 1 byte). I am wondering if a 512k
> > connection (upload and download) could THEORITICALLY handle 4 (512/128)
>or
> > 32 (512/16) 128k streams?
>
>Unfortunately it's 4, not 32.
>
> > I am confused because I often read that to calculate the potential
>number
>of
> > listeners with a given connection; you just divide the connection speed
>by
> > the stream bit rate... is it true? In this case, how is doing SomaFM to
> > handle 4000 listeners at 128k?? Do they have a 512 MB connection???
>
>I guess they must.
>
>Geoff.
>
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From dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de Sun Feb 29 13:49:41 2004
From: dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de (Thomas B. Ruecker, DM8TBR)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 14:49:41 +0100
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
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> understand; how are affording small radios that have up to 1000 concurrent
> listeners a 128Mb connection? Is there any magical solution I am not aware
> of?
1st) I wouldnt call a radio with 1000 Listeners a small radio. That would be a rather impressive one. IIRC there was no Radio using Icecast that has more then 100 or 200 concurrent listeners.
2nd) One solution is sever housing or renting a ready server. Then you pay for the housing + Traffic exceeding the traffic included in the basic fee.
As for Icecast2 I'd call radio stations that have an _average_ of more then 20 listeners medium and radio stations with more than 50 very successful. (note this implies max listeners of 50/300 and down to 5/10 at night)
Just my 2cc
Regards
Thomas
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr Sun Feb 29 15:01:36 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:01:36 +0100
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
In-Reply-To: <000701c3feca$e2e80050$c800a8c0@puck>
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Hi Thomas,
By "small radios" I was meaning "small companies". It's why I am impressed
they can afford so expensive connections...
Cheers,
MAX
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Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 2:50 PM
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Subject: RE: [icecast] bit/bytes
> understand; how are affording small radios that have up to 1000 concurrent
> listeners a 128Mb connection? Is there any magical solution I am not aware
> of?
1st) I wouldnt call a radio with 1000 Listeners a small radio. That would be
a rather impressive one. IIRC there was no Radio using Icecast that has more
then 100 or 200 concurrent listeners.
2nd) One solution is sever housing or renting a ready server. Then you pay
for the housing + Traffic exceeding the traffic included in the basic fee.
As for Icecast2 I'd call radio stations that have an _average_ of more then
20 listeners medium and radio stations with more than 50 very successful.
(note this implies max listeners of 50/300 and down to 5/10 at night)
Just my 2cc
Regards
Thomas
PS: For listener Stats look at shoutcast.com - there you'll note an e^(1/x)
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From oddsock at oddsock.org Sun Feb 29 16:27:17 2004
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 09:27:17 -0700
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] bit/bytes>
Message-ID: <E1AxTmf-0005O8-Ct@mediacast1.us>
for most stations that have this kind of listener capacity, they are
getting bandwidth from AOL/Nullsoft. Nullsoft had (may still have) a
policy of offering free bandwith to stations they hand-picked. They
were tapping into the rather huge amount of bandwidth that AOL had, and
thus could offer the kind of listener capacity you are seeing.
Alternatively, many stations also operate on bandwith donations (people
offering relays because they like the station)....I'd say most (if not
all) stations that have high listener capacity are operating using one
of these two mechanisms.
oddsock
> Yeah, I knew they had several servers for the same content, but the
> financial cost of such internet connections still remain the same...
>
> Cheers,
>
> MAX
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Behalf Of
> Joe Jones
> Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 1:33 PM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: RE: [icecast] bit/bytes
>
> If you look at the PLS file for SomaFM's "Goove Salad" channel you'll
see :
>
> ------------------------------------------------
> [playlist]
> numberofentries=3
> File1=http://64.236.34.97:80/stream/1018
> Title1=SomaFM Presents: Groove Salad 128k (Feed #1)
> Length1=-1
> File2=http://205.188.245.133:8076
> Title2=SomaFM Presents: Groove Salad 128k (Feed #2)
> Length2=-1
> File3=http://server2.somafm.com:8032
> Title3=SomaFM Presents: Groove Salad 128k (Feed #3)
> Length3=-1
> Version=2
> -----------------------------------------------
>
> So for this channel they have 3 possible feeds to spread the load
over. You
>
> could be clever and set up some sort of 'round-robbin' system to
spread the
> load evenly...but I imagine that in this case it's deteremined by the
number
>
> of connections per server - Feed #1 fills up to max of say 500
users...so
> next user is forwarded to Feed #2.
>
>
> Joe.
>
>
> >From: "MacSym" <macsym69 at yahoo.fr>
> >Reply-To: icecast at xiph.org
> >To: <icecast at xiph.org>
> >Subject: RE: [icecast] bit/bytes
> >Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 13:16:55 +0100
> >
> >Hi Goeff,
> >
> >Thanks for your precisions. You wrote: "Internet connections are also
> >expressed in bits, or kilobits, not Kilobytes"; then I guess a
connection
> >of
> >1Mb is also 1 megaBITS and NOT megaBYTES. There is something I don't
> >understand; how are affording small radios that have up to 1000
concurrent
> >listeners a 128Mb connection? Is there any magical solution I am not
aware
> >of?
> >
> >Thanks for clarifying this topic!
> >
> >MAX
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On
Behalf Of
> >Geoff Shang
> >Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 12:59 PM
> >To: icecast at xiph.org
> >Subject: Re: [icecast] bit/bytes
> >
> >On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, MacSym wrote:
> >
> > > A 128K stream is a 128 KiloBITS (NOT kiloBYTES) per second
stream; am I
> > > right?
> >
> >Right.
> >
> > > Is a 512k internet connection a 512 kiloBITS or 512 kiloBYTES
> > > connection?
> >
> >Internet connections are also expressed in bits, or kilobits, not
> >kilobytes. In this sense, calling it a 512k connection is actually
wrong,
> >as this implies kilobytes, not kilobits. But everyone seems to do
it.
> >
> > > 128 KiloBITS = 16 KiloBYTES (8 bits = 1 byte). I am wondering if
a 512k
> > > connection (upload and download) could THEORITICALLY handle 4
(512/128)
> >or
> > > 32 (512/16) 128k streams?
> >
> >Unfortunately it's 4, not 32.
> >
> > > I am confused because I often read that to calculate the
potential
> >number
> >of
> > > listeners with a given connection; you just divide the connection
speed
> >by
> > > the stream bit rate... is it true? In this case, how is doing
SomaFM to
> > > handle 4000 listeners at 128k?? Do they have a 512 MB
connection???
> >
> >I guess they must.
> >
> >Geoff.
> >
> >
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From clement at frequence3.net Sun Feb 29 16:37:37 2004
From: clement at frequence3.net (Clement Cavadore)
Date: 29 Feb 2004 17:37:37 +0100
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
In-Reply-To: <E1AxTmf-0005O8-Ct@mediacast1.us>
Message-ID: <1078072666.961.2.camel@washington>
Le dim 29/02/2004 ? 17:27, oddsock a ?crit :
> for most stations that have this kind of listener capacity, they are
> getting bandwidth from AOL/Nullsoft. Nullsoft had (may still have) a
> policy of offering free bandwith to stations they hand-picked. They
> were tapping into the rather huge amount of bandwidth that AOL had, and
> thus could offer the kind of listener capacity you are seeing.
I don't think they still have this policy... since they don't reply to
my E-mails... maybe one day, who knows.... :)
> Alternatively, many stations also operate on bandwith donations (people
> offering relays because they like the station)....I'd say most (if not
> all) stations that have high listener capacity are operating using one
> of these two mechanisms.
I dont't think there are many stations who are able to pay for so much
bandwidth... in our case (Frequence3, see below), we rely on bw
donation... but it's quite hard to get some, because of the prices, so
we should go and try to use new broadcasting methods (multicast, or
oggvorbis)...
<p>Greets,
--
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www.frequence3.org
Webradio Francophone
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From enrico-minack at gmx.de Sun Feb 29 16:54:02 2004
From: enrico-minack at gmx.de (Enrico Minack)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 17:54:02 +0100
Subject: [icecast] FreeRadio On-line
In-Reply-To: <1077900169.1965.107.camel@localhost>
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> Somewere heve more example of radio using icecast, for me? :)
http://www.radio-unicc.de/
University Radio Chemnitz, Germany
We are broadcasting 32-40 hours a week for almost 2 years now.
Shows start again in the middle of April. We are using icecast for
live streaming and recording. Additionally, we use a multicast
streaming technology for the university network.
Enrico M.
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr Sun Feb 29 21:55:06 2004
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (MacSym)
Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:55:06 +0100
Subject: [icecast] bit/bytes
In-Reply-To: <1078072666.961.2.camel@washington>
Message-ID: <20040229215530.CDC12532A6C@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Hi Oddsock,
Like Clement, I am sure Nullsoft is still "offering" AOL's bandwidth since I
think Nullsoft is not part of AOL anymore. About the new broadcasting
methods, is the multicast technology already available? I have heard only
few providers are equipped with multicast enabled routers. What about p2p
streaming, is it really reliable? When I see Peercast's statistics, only few
stations have more than 10 listeners currently connected... Do you think p2p
streaming could support an "unlimited" number of listeners or is it only a
utopia? Anyway, I am not sure many listeners would be attracted by p2p
streaming until a reliable Applet is available. I mean, I know only few
users that are ready to install additional software to listen to online
music.
Does anyone know about such an open source Applet or ActiveX? I know
www.chaincast.com is selling such a solution but it's only targeted to
windows users because it's an ActiveX that streams WMA...
Cheers,
MAX
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Clement Cavadore
Sent: Sunday, February 29, 2004 5:38 PM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: RE: [icecast] bit/bytes
Le dim 29/02/2004 ? 17:27, oddsock a ?crit :
> for most stations that have this kind of listener capacity, they are
> getting bandwidth from AOL/Nullsoft. Nullsoft had (may still have) a
> policy of offering free bandwith to stations they hand-picked. They
> were tapping into the rather huge amount of bandwidth that AOL had, and
> thus could offer the kind of listener capacity you are seeing.
I don't think they still have this policy... since they don't reply to
my E-mails... maybe one day, who knows.... :)
> Alternatively, many stations also operate on bandwith donations (people
> offering relays because they like the station)....I'd say most (if not
> all) stations that have high listener capacity are operating using one
> of these two mechanisms.
I dont't think there are many stations who are able to pay for so much
bandwidth... in our case (Frequence3, see below), we rely on bw
donation... but it's quite hard to get some, because of the prices, so
we should go and try to use new broadcasting methods (multicast, or
oggvorbis)...
<p>Greets,
--
Cl?ment Cavadore
www.frequence3.org
Webradio Francophone
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