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From imran at aztekcomputers.com Fri Oct 3 12:03:28 2003 From: imran at aztekcomputers.com (Imran Khalid) Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 17:03:28 +0500 Subject: [icecast] win2000 setup files Message-ID: <000901c389a6$5fe670e0$501380cb@imran> Dear Sir, How can i install Icecastmlibshout,IceS on Windows 2000 Server? From where i can download the binaries executable set up files for Win2000 platform?

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Ices log: Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: Socket error Error during send: Mount failed on http://localhost:8000/128, error: Couldn't connect

Icecast log: [2003-10-06 10:04:49] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Failed to relay stream from master server, couldn't connect to http://localhost:8001 Disconnecting source due to socket error. ices is sending data to 8000, where icecast listening, and relayins towards to 8001/128 Ices reencodes all of the mp3s. If you have seen this kinda error, please help. Thx ------ Josephus

> Can you check against the latest, there were a couple of minor error > conditions cleaned up > > http://www.xiph.org/~karl/ices-2.0-WIP.tar.bz2 > > and just to verify you're using libshout kh20, should be identified in > the log at the beginning ? This sounds like more like a libshout issue > specifically the state setting. You should see the "closed shout > connection" message in your logs before the Time we started message? > > Is there anything odd going on after 24 hours BTW, the shout output is > not time limited, so the only cases for dropping the connection is if > icecast shuts down or becomes inaccessible or ices shuts down. > > karl --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From nightvision at attbi.com Sun Oct 12 08:52:30 2003 From: nightvision at attbi.com (chris) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 04:52:30 -0400 Subject: [icecast] Current Ices2 requirements? Message-ID: <20031012085229.GA20875@mayuko> I've been using Ices2 for quite a while with no real problems; fairly stable and does what I want it to. Can't ask for more, eh? :) Anyway, the latest checkouts of CVS won't even get past the ./autogen.sh/./configure portion, so I was wondering if the automake/autoconf requirements had changed recently. This is my setup: Gentoo Linux automake 1.7.5(-r2) autoconf 2.57(-r1) The -r* just refers to the revision of the ebuild that I have installed, so it's probably safe to ignore that unless it makes any difference to the Gentooers out there. Anyway, here's (the important?) output I get when I run ./autogen.sh: $ ./autogen.sh Checking for automake version found automake-1.6 found aclocal-1.6 Generating configuration files for ices, please wait.... aclocal-1.6 -I m4 autoheader libtoolize --automake automake-1.6 --add-missing Makefile.am:6: required directory ./debian does not exist autoconf I am going to run ./configure [...] checking for an ANSI C-conforming const... yes checking for uint64_t... yes ./configure: line 8798: XIPH_PATH_XML: command not found ./configure: line 8799: syntax error near unexpected token `XIPH_CFLAGS,' ./configure: line 8799: `XIPH_VAR_APPEND(XIPH_CFLAGS, $XML_CFLAGS)' Any help is appreciated, thanks! - chris --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gtgbr at gmx.net Sun Oct 12 09:47:36 2003 From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net) Date: Sun, 12 Oct 2003 11:47:36 +0200 Subject: [icecast] Current Ices2 requirements? In-Reply-To: <20031012085229.GA20875@mayuko> Message-ID: <3F892337.75147689@gmx.net> chris wrote: > Anyway, the latest checkouts of CVS won't even get past the ./autogen.sh/./configure portion, so I was wondering if the automake/autoconf requirements had changed recently. [...] > Makefile.am:6: required directory ./debian does not exist > autoconf > I am going to run ./configure [...] > checking for an ANSI C-conforming const... yes > checking for uint64_t... yes > ./configure: line 8798: XIPH_PATH_XML: command not found > ./configure: line 8799: syntax error near unexpected token `XIPH_CFLAGS,' > ./configure: line 8799: `XIPH_VAR_APPEND(XIPH_CFLAGS, $XML_CFLAGS)' This looks to me like your CVS checkout went wrong and that debian/ and probably also m4/ are missing or incomplete.

__________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? The New Yahoo! Shopping - with improved product search http://shopping.yahoo.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From roy at lamrim.com Sat Oct 18 17:14:54 2003 From: roy at lamrim.com (Roy Harvey) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:14:54 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Icecast Shoutcast Darwin Oddcast Questions Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20031018095653.0348f640@mail.lamrim.com> Dear Mr. 'Sock -- First let me say "Major Thanks!!!" for your work in developing the Oddcast plugin. I'm putting it to great use and will send you an article that I recently published regarding my usage of the software... I have a couple of questions I'm wondering if you can help me with... (1) Is there a version (any version) of a streaming source feed for Linux that behaves correctly with the Shoutcast directories (yp.shoutcast.com) beyond SC_TRANS from Nullsoft? I'm running Oddcast/Winamp3 into a Linux version of the Shoutcast Server but it doesn't seem to recognize the metadata correctly. Ices2? (2) As mentioned above, SC_TRANS seems to be the only viable Shoutcast-friendly streaming system. Problem is, it seems to only like 44100-based streams, which is problem when all my source materials are 16kbps/11025khz. Any work-around for this? SC_TRANS doesn't seem to have any support for relays from my understanding... (3) I'm currently evaluating a Darwin from Apple as a (*gasp*) alternative to Icecast/Icecast2. The primary reasons are video support, strong iTunes support, and very nice admin GUI/docs for the non-technical among use. I'm able use Shoutcast as a relay for this system, but again, I've been unable to make the Shoutcast directories recognize the stream. Ideally, I have one streaming source (in this case Darwin) and multiple relay servers that push the data into the various services and directories. Thanks again for all your help. Roy Lam Rim Radio Tibetan Buddhist Internet Radio Over 500,000 hours served since 1999

--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From marco.chrappan at fastwebnet.it Sat Oct 18 17:14:59 2003 From: marco.chrappan at fastwebnet.it (marco chrappan) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 19:14:59 +0200 Subject: [icecast] ipv6 In-Reply-To: <5.0.0.25.2.20031018095653.0348f640@mail.lamrim.com> Message-ID: <001701c3959b$5c373fa0$29680602@dorsvenabili> is there any patch to get icecast working with ipv6? marco --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From roy at lamrim.com Sat Oct 18 17:18:39 2003 From: roy at lamrim.com (Roy Harvey) Date: Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:18:39 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Live from Mongolia Message-ID: <5.0.0.25.2.20031018101532.0348a9a8@mail.lamrim.com> FYI... A recent article I wrote regarding my streaming adventures. =================== Hoov's Musings =================== volume 6, number 7 Source: http://www.acuitive.com/musings/ Live From Mongolia Introduction from Mark Hoover Acuitive people have all kinds of interesting hobbies, a few of which I can actually talk about. In the case of Roy Harvey, his hobby is providing live or re-transmitted broadcasts of the Dalai Lama to his students across the world. When Roy told me that my first question was ?who finances that?? I figured the equipment costs and service costs would be tremendous. But Roy convinced me that it was dirt cheap, resulting in a culmination of the movement to commodity status of bandwidth, servers, and enabling software. I was astounded, given that I know many IT Managers who are not taking advantage of such services within their businesses due to the perceived costs. Therefore in late June, I asked Roy to write the July Musing on his experiences in this area, with special emphasis on the economics. Then we got real busy. The Musing has been written. But it?s September, going on October. Oh well. I guess that means I need to get started on the August Musing. Here?s Roy... ===== About three years ago, Mark Hoover established criteria for his retirement based on the advancement of technology. As the guest ?Muser? I thought I?d give an update on just how much closer he?s moved to retirement in the last three years. In his August 2000 Musing, Mark figured if he could just listen to Philadelphia Phillies baseball from an in-dash Internet Radio system in his car, then the time had come for him pour his energies into the next great adventure ? perhaps helping the Phillies out with more than just bedtime prayers. Like Mark, I too spent my early years listening to AM radio. While I was too far from Philadelphia to get a decent signal, the New York stations came in clear as a bell from my room in Northern New Jersey. From the nightly ramblings of WOR?s Jean Shepherd, I moved on to Ham Radio ? and as many DXers (long-distance shortwave operators) have found over the last few years, the Internet is a wonderful landscape for pushing the same communications envelope. Some guys are into cars, others are into golf or fishing, still others like to spend their free time building high-powered trebuchets to see just how far they can toss a pumpkin.[1] Outside of waterslide parks and camping with the family, I like to see how far and wide I can stream packets to listeners throughout the world for little or no money down. In a small corner of my basement lives the network operations center for the Internet?s first and currently largest ?Tibetan Buddhist? Internet radio station. The lectures are usually on various philosophical topics and typically run 1 to 2 hours in length. When I'm not providing a live broadcast, "The Station" server streams various MP3 files from its local hard disk. I started doing this casually back in late 1999, but things got serious a short time later when I provided audio streaming services for the 14th Dalai Lama?s lectures at Shoreline Amphitheater here in Silicon Valley. From a networking perspective, my connectivity consists of a megabit SDSL (1.1Mbps up / 1.1Mbps down) from Speakeasy ? a very progressive and scrappy ISP that?s deservedly become the nation?s largest independent broadband provider. I pay a couple hundred dollars a month for unlimited bi-directional transfers and half a dozen static IP addresses. Should I need a little more bandwidth for a special event, a simple phone call and their provisioning system makes it happen almost at once. Overall network stability, availability, and throughput has been rock-solid. Speakeasy also includes unlimited nationwide dial-up service; you'll see later why this is important. My servers are all Intel-based, either donated or so low cost as to be free. For instance, last year I bought 3 1-rack unit 750Mhz servers from a failed dot.com liquidation for $125 each. Sold one online for $500, thus paying for the other two plus profit. My primary webcasting box is a dual 500Mhz 3U that a listener gave to me. It was sold originally by Entera, a caching company that packaged it as a $10,000 appliance before getting acquired by CacheFlow. This box can be thought of as "The Radio Station" and as far as MIPs are concerned, it's not breaking a sweat. Before this, a lowly decommissioned 586 desktop handled the task with little or no trouble. For broadcasting live events, I use my 3 year old, day-to-day workhorse laptop (Dell 500Mhz Inspiron 4000) for the onsite encoding and transmission of the webcast "signal" to the broadcast server. The only hardware required for a ?broadcast quality laptop? are a microphone input jack and a 56kbps modem, both of which come standard on most laptops shipped since about 1998. The software to drive the server side is Linux running Icecast and Apache ? all free, open source projects. The laptop itself runs Windows 2000 (not free), Nullsoft?s WinAmp (free), the OddCast plug-in for WinAmp (free), and an MP3 encoder unfittingly called ?Lame? (also free). In a nutshell, here?s how the system works? Using a simple lavaliere microphone or a bunch of them feeding a cheap Radio Shack mixer, I bring the signal directly into my laptop via the microphone jack. Using WinAmp and the Oddcast plug-in, I encode the audio into the MP3 format and stream it out the modem port over the Internet via a dial up to connect to the server at my house. The MP3 stream arrives in my basement as a 60 second buffered stream (which provides plenty of fault tolerance) where listeners connect using Real Audio, Apple?s iTunes, Windows Media Player, or WinAmp connecting into port 8000. Given that I'm primarily delivering ?spoken word? webcasts, I can encode the signal at a 16kbps rate and still provide a reasonably high quality listening experience similar to good AM radio. This has three benefits, (a) the MP3 stream is fairly stable under even the most horrid dialup connections, (b) I'm able to support more than 60 active listeners on my broadcast server using my 1.1Mpbs SDSL line, and (c) it provides lowest common denominator support for reaching the farthest flung Internet connections on the planet. Watching my DNS logs as well as listener ?fan mail?, I?ve had people tuned in from all corners of the globe, including such exotic locations as the Christmas Islands, Trinidad and Tobago, Nepal, Slovakia, and even Iraq. There are three types of live broadcast configurations that I've successfully conducted since I started doing live broadcasts: Live Remote - this is where I stay home and someone else operates the encoded-upstream MP3 feed to the server (aka ?the laptop?). This was the first configuration I used as I thought it might be important to be physically near the servers in case something didn't work. After a couple of successful live events, this turned out to not be an issue. The only problem to date has been the fact that our circa 1950s home electrical system only sports a 30 amp main fuse which means turning on the washer, dryer, and dishwasher at the same time causes us to lose power (and thus the whole network of servers, networking gear, and connected listeners). This generally isn't an issue and besides, I'm too cheap to install UPS equipment. But this all came to a head last winter when during one live broadcast my wife was using a hair dryer which, in addition to a few thousand Xmas lights, caused us to blow the main, thus dumping all connections, etc... I called her on my cell phone to find her in tears over the whole thing "I was just drying the kids hair for their school picture tomorrow?" We have a good laugh about it now. ;-) Live Onsite ? Hey, everything on the server is Linux right? Which means over a modem, I can not only pump the MP3 stream, but I can also have half a dozen remote admin windows open via SSH and control and monitor the network, servers, and everything while sitting at the event. As with the Live Remote configuration, all that's needed is my laptop and a phone line. Power is good to have as well, though everything works just fine on batteries. With satellite-based IP available in North America, no more need for even a POTS line ? more on this, and Mark?s impending retirement, in a moment? Live Exotic ? In June I tried something a bit different; an historic first in my mind. What made this different was the fact that the speaker being broadcast was located in Ulaanbaatar, capital city of Mongolia. This is about 10,000 miles or so and many time zones from my ?station? in California. And just to up the ante, we did the broadcast by having the speaker use a cellular phone for an hour-long live event. The call terminated at my house and using a simple Radio Shack phone-patch, I drove the audio into the laptop on my desk and then via my server to a worldwide Internet-connected audience. The signal never once dropped out or faded during the entire hour, and the audio quality was very passable. Mongolia, while being a very poor country, has an amazingly reliable and burgeoning cellular industry utilizing GSM. Note to self ? while long distance communication fees are accelerating asymptotically towards zero, they aren?t free yet. Make sure you double-check your international calling plan rates before attempting such a stunt at home. It turns out that the price of phone calls to Mongolia rival even those wacky ?phone-like? devices buried into the headrests of most airline seats. Even so, to my mind, my entire broadcast operation is damn cheap and near-free given its ability to reach most of the known ?Internet world? at pennies per serving. [Question for our telecom industry readers ? anyone know what a worldwide live audio broadcast like this would have cost 20, 10 or even 5 years ago to pull off?] So what about mobility? I started researching this in earnest during the Iraq war when we all got to witness one view of the war from satellite-based video transmitters. Following the evolution of most communications technology, it turns out that the prices are starting to fall while product quality, features, and reliability simultaneously improves. Mark was thinking live Phillies baseball in 2005 or 2006. Well, turns out not only can he get live Internet audio today, but if he?s willing to let his wife Jill drive (at least during the Wild Card race), he can get a full DirecTV feed with 300 channels while also checking his email, updating the Acuitive website, or publishing his latest Musing. For more information, take a look at TracVision and TracNet from KVH industries (http://www.kvh.com/) -- these guys historically built satellite-based IP systems for military and nautical use, but have since expanded their products to include automotive applications. John Madden has just such a system installed in the ?Madden Cruiser? to stay connected as he motors en route to each Monday Night Football broadcast. Hmmmm... Hey Mark! Ever considered professional broadcasting? Back to Mark... ==== Thanks Roy. A broadcasting career is probably not in the cards for me. Certainly not TV. And probably not radio unless they?ve perfected the 7-second delay. I?ll have to look into the services you mentioned. If this Musing had been written a few weeks earlier, with the Phillies still in the pennant race, I probably would have gone for it. Now, I need a winter to forget and get re-enthused. Ironically, after Roy wrote this Musing he got a job offer from Electronic Arts to help drive their online gaming strategy for products like Madden Football. This is right up Roy?s alley and presents an opportunity to swelter in Orlando, FL in the summer. So, Acuitive?s loss will be the Internet gaming world?s gain. So long to you Roy and much luck. We?ll miss you. [1] http://www.worldchampionshippunkinchunkin.com/ (volume 6, number 7) ===== Roy Lam Rim Radio Tibetan Buddhist Internet Radio Over 500,000 hours served since 1999

> On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 18:14, marco chrappan wrote: > > is there any patch to get icecast working with ipv6? > > ipv6 should already be supported, if you're having a problem with it > then let us know. > > karl. > > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From karl at xiph.org Sat Oct 18 17:28:32 2003 From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes) Date: 18 Oct 2003 18:28:32 +0100 Subject: [icecast] ipv6 In-Reply-To: <005401c3959c$291d9ff0$29680602@dorsvenabili> Message-ID: <1066498111.1222.111.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Sat, 2003-10-18 at 18:20, marco chrappan wrote: > in which versions? sorry but it's a lot of time I don't follow the > releases... > marco The actual code for it has been in now for some time, a few months at least karl --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gtgbr at gmx.net Sun Oct 19 06:58:42 2003 From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net) Date: Sun, 19 Oct 2003 08:58:42 +0200 Subject: [icecast] ipv6 In-Reply-To: <001701c3959b$5c373fa0$29680602@dorsvenabili> Message-ID: <3F923622.86A9DF49@gmx.net> marco chrappan wrote: > is there any patch to get icecast working with ipv6? Actually ... which Icecast do you mean, 1.x or 2? Icecast 1.x isn't supported any more, but you might be able to Google for a 3rd party IPv6 patch. If you mean Icecast2, there is support but no "release" yet, you would have to install a snapshot or get the source directly from CVS. It's no big deal, though. http://www.icecast.org/download.html is a starting point.

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> Hi Ricardo, > Can you write me privately and let me know your setup? I've just got > icecast2/ices2 going on an rh9 box, but getting it to run on fbsd has proven > difficult, won't build via cvs. Anyway, on the rh9 box i am not seeing the > errors you indicated. > Thanks. > Dave. > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: error.log Type: application/octet-stream Size: 10125 bytes Desc: error.log URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: icecast.xml Type: text/xml Size: 3625 bytes Desc: icecast.xml URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: ices-playlist.xml Type: text/xml Size: 4070 bytes Desc: ices-playlist.xml URL: From gktnews at gktech.net Tue Oct 28 21:27:10 2003 From: gktnews at gktech.net (Bryan Koschmann - GKT) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 13:27:10 -0800 (PST) Subject: [icecast] relaying Message-ID: Just to refresh my memory, is it possible to relay a stream from elsewhere? We have a DSL line here and 2 machines that listen to the same shoutcast stream and dont want to clog the connection. Mind providing an example for that portion of the config?

Thanks in advance! Bryan --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From tarken at lyrical.net Tue Oct 28 21:37:58 2003 From: tarken at lyrical.net (Joseph Wilhelm) Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2003 14:37:58 -0700 Subject: [icecast] relaying In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1067377077.2996.3.camel@jwilhelm.ofsloans.com> Here is an example of what I use: 205.188.234.1 8008 / /afterhours 1 And that's actually relaying an mp3 stream (Shameless plug alert!) for AfterHours DJs ( http://www.afterhoursdjs.org ). I believe the same works for ogg streams as well. Hope that helps! --Joseph Wilhelm On Tue, 2003-10-28 at 14:27, Bryan Koschmann - GKT wrote: > Just to refresh my memory, is it possible to relay a stream from > elsewhere? We have a DSL line here and 2 machines that listen to the same > shoutcast stream and dont want to clog the connection. > > Mind providing an example for that portion of the config?

On Tue, 28 Oct 2003, Joseph Wilhelm wrote: > Here is an example of what I use: > > > 205.188.234.1 > 8008 > / > /afterhours > > 1 > > > And that's actually relaying an mp3 stream (Shameless plug alert!) for > AfterHours DJs ( http://www.afterhoursdjs.org ). > > I believe the same works for ogg streams as well. > > Hope that helps! > > --Joseph Wilhelm --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From ross at stationplaylist.com Wed Oct 29 03:56:24 2003 From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:56:24 +1300 Subject: [icecast] Server disconnects clients In-Reply-To: <1067380835.2723.22.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <017501c39dd0$9f6f8470$7d00a8c0@levis3> > you could try the later builds of winamp3 (#498) > to verify. Failing that drop back to v2. As a matter of interest, Winamp 5 beta 2 has just been "released" and also works fine for Vorbis streams. Ross. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From ross at stationplaylist.com Wed Oct 29 03:57:00 2003 From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:57:00 +1300 Subject: [icecast] Server disconnects clients In-Reply-To: <1067380835.2723.22.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <017901c39dd0$b4d65690$7d00a8c0@levis3> I meant to include a download URL for Winamp 5 http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=2490 Ross. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From ricardo at mac.za.net Wed Oct 29 06:29:56 2003 From: ricardo at mac.za.net (Ricardo) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:29:56 +0200 Subject: [icecast] Server disconnects clients In-Reply-To: <017901c39dd0$b4d65690$7d00a8c0@levis3> Message-ID: <001701c39de6$13c803a0$9cdf1ac4@bump> Excellent! With WinAmp 5 it works but after about 45seconds I get the same messages in error.log [2003-10-29 08:38:33] DBUG format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had recoverable error -1 [2003-10-29 08:38:33] DBUG source/source_main Client has fallen too far behind, removing [2003-10-29 08:38:33] DBUG source/source_main Client removed Question is - why? I have sufficient bandwidth! Thanks for the input so far

Ricardo ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ross Levis" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 5:57 AM Subject: Re: [icecast] Server disconnects clients

> I meant to include a download URL for Winamp 5 > http://www.majorgeeks.com/download.php?det=2490 > > Ross. > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From msmith at xiph.org Wed Oct 29 06:54:33 2003 From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 16:54:33 +1000 Subject: [icecast] Server disconnects clients In-Reply-To: <001701c39de6$13c803a0$9cdf1ac4@bump> Message-ID: <200310291754.33064.msmith@xiph.org> On Wednesday 29 October 2003 17:29, Ricardo wrote: > Excellent! > > With WinAmp 5 it works but after about 45seconds I get the same messages in > error.log > > [2003-10-29 08:38:33] DBUG format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client > Client had recoverable error -1 This should never happen. It looks like a bug present in some old versions (> 6 months old), are you sure a current version? Mike --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From ricardo at mac.za.net Wed Oct 29 07:06:14 2003 From: ricardo at mac.za.net (Ricardo) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:06:14 +0200 Subject: [icecast] Server disconnects clients In-Reply-To: <200310291754.33064.msmith@xiph.org> Message-ID: <002a01c39deb$285880b0$9cdf1ac4@bump> Hi Mike cat /usr/ports/audio/icecast2/distinfo MD5 (icecast-2.0-alpha-2-20030811.tar.gz) = fc1dc4173a81daa741cef14cadbf6ce1 cat /usr/ports/audio/ices/distinfo MD5 (ices-2.0-Beta2-20030811.tar.gz) = 5ccf54d6961eba9ac914090dffb874cc Should I expect problems with these versions? Is the problem with Icecast2 or IceS? Ricardo

----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Smith" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 8:54 AM Subject: Re: [icecast] Server disconnects clients

> On Wednesday 29 October 2003 17:29, Ricardo wrote: > > Excellent! > > > > With WinAmp 5 it works but after about 45seconds I get the same messages in > > error.log > > > > [2003-10-29 08:38:33] DBUG format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client > > Client had recoverable error -1 > > This should never happen. It looks like a bug present in some old versions (> > 6 months old), are you sure a current version? > > Mike > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From msmith at xiph.org Wed Oct 29 07:16:10 2003 From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 17:16:10 +1000 Subject: [icecast] Server disconnects clients In-Reply-To: <002a01c39deb$285880b0$9cdf1ac4@bump> Message-ID: <200310291816.10483.msmith@xiph.org> On Wednesday 29 October 2003 18:06, Ricardo wrote: > Hi Mike > > cat /usr/ports/audio/icecast2/distinfo > MD5 (icecast-2.0-alpha-2-20030811.tar.gz) = > fc1dc4173a81daa741cef14cadbf6ce1 > > cat /usr/ports/audio/ices/distinfo > MD5 (ices-2.0-Beta2-20030811.tar.gz) = 5ccf54d6961eba9ac914090dffb874cc > > Should I expect problems with these versions? Is the problem with Icecast2 > or IceS? > Icecast. But I think these versions are new enough to not be a problem. This looks like a new bug - perhaps freebsd-specific? And I was confused before anyway - the message you were getting _is_ something that can legitimately happen. Not sure what the problem is - it could be something in the ices2 timing code (again, freebsd specific), but I don't think that's terribly likely. Mike --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From ricardo at mac.za.net Wed Oct 29 07:26:21 2003 From: ricardo at mac.za.net (Ricardo) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 09:26:21 +0200 Subject: [icecast] Server disconnects clients In-Reply-To: <200310291816.10483.msmith@xiph.org> Message-ID: <003501c39ded$f3b1c670$9cdf1ac4@bump> Is there anything I can do to help the dev guys? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Michael Smith" To: Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2003 9:16 AM Subject: Re: [icecast] Server disconnects clients

> On Wednesday 29 October 2003 18:06, Ricardo wrote: > > Hi Mike > > > > cat /usr/ports/audio/icecast2/distinfo > > MD5 (icecast-2.0-alpha-2-20030811.tar.gz) = > > fc1dc4173a81daa741cef14cadbf6ce1 > > > > cat /usr/ports/audio/ices/distinfo > > MD5 (ices-2.0-Beta2-20030811.tar.gz) = 5ccf54d6961eba9ac914090dffb874cc > > > > Should I expect problems with these versions? Is the problem with Icecast2 > > or IceS? > > > > Icecast. But I think these versions are new enough to not be a problem. This > looks like a new bug - perhaps freebsd-specific? > > And I was confused before anyway - the message you were getting _is_ something > that can legitimately happen. > > Not sure what the problem is - it could be something in the ices2 timing code > (again, freebsd specific), but I don't think that's terribly likely. > > Mike > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From leo.currie at strath.ac.uk Wed Oct 29 10:21:53 2003 From: leo.currie at strath.ac.uk (Leo Currie) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 10:21:53 +0000 Subject: [icecast] mp3 streaming with Icecast2 on win32 Message-ID: <3F9F94C1.4050105@strath.ac.uk> Hi Just a quickie - Is it currently possible to stream both ogg and mp3 from (different mountpoints on) the same icecast2 server using the win32 binaries? (oddsock!) How about other builds? Thanks Leo --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From oddsock at oddsock.org Wed Oct 29 14:10:44 2003 From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 08:10:44 -0600 Subject: [icecast] mp3 streaming with Icecast2 on win32 In-Reply-To: <3F9F94C1.4050105@strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20031029081002.02d04f28@www.oddsock.org> yes, that has always been the case..... oddsock At 10:21 AM 10/29/2003 +0000, you wrote: >Hi > >Just a quickie - > >Is it currently possible to stream both ogg and mp3 from (different >mountpoints on) the same icecast2 server using the win32 binaries? (oddsock!) >How about other builds? > >Thanks > >Leo > >--- >8 ----

> On Wed, 2003-10-29 at 07:26, Ricardo wrote: > > Is there anything I can do to help the dev guys? > > yeah, try another known working version of a player like winamp v2 > for a start. > > BTW while the error.log doesn't indicate that ices2 is a problem, can > you make sure that the ices2 xml file uses not > settings, the vorbis encoder settings are not tuned > enough for managed mode operation. the 64k equiv mode is > > 0 > > karl. > > > > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From Mitja.Pirih at radiocapris.com Wed Oct 29 19:56:52 2003 From: Mitja.Pirih at radiocapris.com (Mitja Pirih) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 20:56:52 +0100 Subject: [icecast] ices2 not compiling on OpenBSD 3.3 -> ices 0.3 cofig problem? In-Reply-To: <[icecast] ices2 not compiling on OpenBSD 3.3 -> ices 0.3 cofig problem?> Message-ID: > > Playlist streaming works well on OpenBSD, of course. The > first step to > > actually fix this would be improving the autodetection to > disable Sun > > audio on OpenBSD automatically - next would be to write im_bsd.c. ;P > > Hmm, I would need that for live streaming. How about ices 0.3? Ices 0.3 compiles OK, but I have troubles to make a config file. Here is what I get: # ices -v -c ices-live.xml Unknown Stream keyword: input Logfile opened DEBUG: Sending following information to libshout: DEBUG: Stream: 0 DEBUG: Host: 10.1.1.100:8000 (protocol: http) DEBUG: Mount: /cap2.ogg, Password: xxx DEBUG: Name: Test stream URL: http://localhost/ DEBUG: Genre: Test genre Desc: Default description DEBUG: Bitrate: 128 Public: 0 DEBUG: Dump file: (null) DEBUG: Initializing playlist handler... DEBUG: Initializing builting playlist handler... Could not find a valid playlist file. Ices Exiting... =============== ices-live.xml config file =========================== 0 0 /tmp oss 44100 2 /dev/audio 0 test 10.1.1.100 8000 xxx http /cap2.ogg Capris stream Test genre Default description http://localhost/> 0 128 0 2 ========================== end of conf ======================================== --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gtgbr at gmx.net Wed Oct 29 20:45:36 2003 From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 21:45:36 +0100 Subject: [icecast] ices2 not compiling on OpenBSD 3.3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3FA026F0.E49F9B58@gmx.net> Mitja Pirih wrote: > Hmm, I would need that for live streaming. How about ices 0.3? Ices0 is for streaming MP3, not Vorbis. It's also different in other ways - I haven't tried that myself, yet, but afaik ices0 can stream stuff that it gets through stdin. You might be able to puzzle something together that works. About your configuration problem ... maybe someone who actually uses it can help you there. ;P What I noticed is that you picked the mountpoint /cap2.ogg ... that's no good, the stream will be MP3 (although ices0 can read .ogg files and re-encode them to MP3). Just like with a Vorbis stream that doesn't have the .ogg suffix, you will probably confuse players with that. Another theory is that you overlooked something that makes ices0 think that it's supposed to play a playlist. oss won't get you far either, unless you h4x0r ices0 so it links against libossaudio (#include where necessary and link with -lossaudio) and try OSS emulation. See ossaudio(3) for a few hints about its capabilities.

Moritz --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From geezer at freesounds.net Thu Oct 30 00:19:46 2003 From: geezer at freesounds.net (geezer) Date: Wed, 29 Oct 2003 19:19:46 -0500 Subject: [icecast] mp3 streaming with Icecast2 on win32 In-Reply-To: <3F9F94C1.4050105@strath.ac.uk> Message-ID: <3FA05922.9030502@freesounds.net> Hi Leo! Yes it is possible. I did it for a while (so the stream would have a presence on shoutcast). I had three Oddcast instances going simultaneously - hi & lo oggs & 56k mp3. It was gobbling a bit more bandwidth than I was comfortable with, so I dropped the mp3 after a bit. But yes it can work, although I never tried more than three. > Is it currently possible to stream both ogg and mp3 from (different > mountpoints on) the same icecast2 server using the win32 binaries? > (oddsock!) --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From assorgia at tin.it Thu Oct 30 09:40:00 2003 From: assorgia at tin.it (assorgia at tin.it) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:40:00 +0100 Subject: [icecast] Live stream equalizer Message-ID: <3FA0EA80.32203.6A7B27@localhost> Question 2: I've been asked to stream a live event (no music, just talking). the problem is that the audio source is not perfect, having a lot of bass preponderance. Now I have to adjust this audio source or I won't be able to keep the compression standard (16 Kbps). I'm searching for an mp3 streamer with equalizing capabilities that runs under windows. At the moment I'm using M3w (http://www.informatik.fh- muenchen.de/~ruckert/m3w/). Any suggestion? --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From assorgia at tin.it Thu Oct 30 09:40:00 2003 From: assorgia at tin.it (assorgia at tin.it) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:40:00 +0100 Subject: [icecast] Macromedia Flash as mp3 player Message-ID: <3FA0EA80.7801.6A7ACA@localhost> Hi, I've been experimenting on using the flash plugin to listen to icecast mp3 streams, so that the user does'nt have to download any external player. At the moment I managed to play a valid stream only with icecast 1.3, while icecast 2.0 fails to broadcast something intelligible by flash. Any idea about why this happens? --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From d.moritz at edv-partner.com Thu Oct 30 09:58:45 2003 From: d.moritz at edv-partner.com (d.moritz at edv-partner.com) Date: 30 Oct 2003 09:58:45 UT Subject: [icecast] Macromedia Flash as mp3 player In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Macromedia Flash as mp3 player> Message-ID: Could you explain just how you use Flash to play back the stream? -------- Original Message -------- Subject: [icecast] Macromedia Flash as mp3 player (30-Okt-2003 10:40) From: assorgia at tin.it To: d.moritz at edv-partner.com > Hi, I've been experimenting on using the flash plugin to listen to > icecast mp3 streams, so that the user does'nt have to download any > external player. > > At the moment I managed to play a valid stream only with icecast > 1.3, while icecast 2.0 fails to broadcast something intelligible by > flash. > > Any idea about why this happens? > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From assorgia at tin.it Thu Oct 30 12:37:51 2003 From: assorgia at tin.it (assorgia at tin.it) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:37:51 +0100 Subject: [icecast] Macromedia Flash as mp3 player In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3FA1142F.32712.10D4D0A@localhost> > Could you explain just how you use Flash to play back the stream? It's simple enough! 1 - create sound object myradio = new Sound(); 2 - load sound using the streaming flag myradio.loadSound("http://urltomyradio:8000/mountpoint", true); 3 - Play the sound myradio.start(); It works pretty well with icecast 1.3 streams (at 16kbps 22.020 Hz for example). It does'nt work with icecast 2.0 --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From d.moritz at edv-partner.com Thu Oct 30 12:41:09 2003 From: d.moritz at edv-partner.com (d.moritz at edv-partner.com) Date: 30 Oct 2003 12:41:09 UT Subject: Re-2: [icecast] Macromedia Flash as mp3 player Message-ID: Yeah, stupid me -------- Original Message -------- Subject: Re: [icecast] Macromedia Flash as mp3 player (30-Okt-2003 13:37) From: assorgia at tin.it To: d.moritz at edv-partner.com > > Could you explain just how you use Flash to play back the stream? > > It's simple enough! > > 1 - create sound object > myradio = new Sound(); > > 2 - load sound using the streaming flag > myradio.loadSound("http://urltomyradio:8000/mountpoint", true); > > 3 - Play the sound > myradio.start(); > > It works pretty well with icecast 1.3 streams (at 16kbps 22.020 Hz for > example). It does'nt work with icecast 2.0 > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gshang at uq.net.au Thu Oct 30 17:25:11 2003 From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 03:25:11 +1000 (EST) Subject: [icecast] Live stream equalizer In-Reply-To: <3FA0EA80.32203.6A7B27@localhost> Message-ID: Hi: Why not use Winamp with one of the plugins available for streaming. You can use the Winamp Equaliser if you use a line recording plugin to grab the audio source from the soundcard and Winamp will be able to equalise it before it is streamed. Geoff. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From djmoguta at hotmail.com Thu Oct 30 18:47:29 2003 From: djmoguta at hotmail.com (Christopher G) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 13:47:29 -0500 Subject: [icecast] Live stream equalizer In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Live stream equalizer> Message-ID: Uh, WinAmp 2 with Oddsock? You'll probably want an EQ-plugin though, since WinAmp's default isn't great. >From: assorgia at tin.it >Reply-To: icecast at xiph.org >To: icecast at xiph.org >Subject: [icecast] Live stream equalizer >Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 10:40:00 +0100 > >Question 2: > >I've been asked to stream a live event (no music, just talking). the >problem is that the audio source is not perfect, having a lot of bass >preponderance. Now I have to adjust this audio source or I won't be >able to keep the compression standard (16 Kbps). > >I'm searching for an mp3 streamer with equalizing capabilities that >runs under windows. >At the moment I'm using M3w (http://www.informatik.fh- >muenchen.de/~ruckert/m3w/). > >Any suggestion? >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. _________________________________________________________________ Cheer a special someone with a fun Halloween eCard from American Greetings! Go to http://www.msn.americangreetings.com/index_msn.pd?source=msne134 --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From ross at stationplaylist.com Thu Oct 30 21:21:58 2003 From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:21:58 +1300 Subject: [icecast] Live stream equalizer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <004801c39f2b$dc93cdf0$7d00a8c0@levis3> Christopher G wrote: > Uh, WinAmp 2 with Oddsock? > You'll probably want an EQ-plugin though, since WinAmp's default isn't > great. >From the Winamp 2.90 release details: "updated PCM equalizer with code from 4Front Technologies/George Yohng. Quality is a lot better" Regards, Ross Levis. ========================================= StationPlaylist.com http://www.stationplaylist.com Low-cost music scheduling, live assist & automation software. ========================================= --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From djmoguta at hotmail.com Fri Oct 31 03:18:10 2003 From: djmoguta at hotmail.com (Christopher G) Date: Thu, 30 Oct 2003 22:18:10 -0500 Subject: [icecast] Live stream equalizer In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Live stream equalizer> Message-ID: I was under the impression that "PCM equalizer" means it only equalizes the PCM codec, i.e. WAV files. Have you noticed a significant quality improvement in the EQ for compressed media: MP3, Vorbis, MPC? Chris G >From: "Ross Levis" >Reply-To: icecast at xiph.org >To: >Subject: Re: [icecast] Live stream equalizer >Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 10:21:58 +1300 > >Christopher G wrote: > > Uh, WinAmp 2 with Oddsock? > > You'll probably want an EQ-plugin though, since WinAmp's default isn't > > great. > > >From the Winamp 2.90 release details: >"updated PCM equalizer with code from 4Front Technologies/George Yohng. >Quality is a lot better" > >Regards, >Ross Levis. >========================================= >StationPlaylist.com >http://www.stationplaylist.com >Low-cost music scheduling, live assist & automation software. >========================================= > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. 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From ross at stationplaylist.com Fri Oct 31 06:48:30 2003 From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 19:48:30 +1300 Subject: [icecast] Live stream equalizer In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <001301c39f7a$ff1db7b0$7d00a8c0@levis3> Hi Christopher > I was under the impression that "PCM equalizer" means it only equalizes the > PCM codec, i.e. WAV files. No, not at all. It equalizes the audio after the decoding of compressed audio. > Have you noticed a significant quality > improvement in the EQ for compressed media: MP3, Vorbis, MPC? Yes, definately. The Nullsoft MPEG Input plugin has it's own EQ code which can bypassed the PCM EQ. This was done initially because it was faster and required much less CPU than a PCM EQ. This was in the days when Pentiums were new. But for a long time the MPEG plugin has had an optional checkbox to use the PCM EQ, which was always inferior. All other input plugins do not have their own EQ code so they utilize the PCM EQ. A common complaint until v3.0 and v2.90 was that Ogg Vorbis files sounded flat and lifeless compared to MP3 in Winamp when using the EQ. This was quite obvious on my LPFM station which had a fairly high treble boost and a mixture of MP3 and OGG. When v2.90 was released, Nullsoft switched the MPEG plugin to default to the new PCM EQ. Now all files are equalized the same. Regards, Ross Levis. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From geezer at freesounds.net Fri Oct 31 20:51:33 2003 From: geezer at freesounds.net (geezer) Date: Fri, 31 Oct 2003 15:51:33 -0500 Subject: [icecast] GAO Survey Of Small Webcasters In-Reply-To: <001301c39f7a$ff1db7b0$7d00a8c0@levis3> Message-ID: <3FA2CB55.9090106@freesounds.net> Folks, The General Accounting Office is preparing a report for congress re: the "Small Webcasters Settlement". For some reason, they have selected me as one of the people they will be interviewing. If anyone on this list has concerns you'd like me to register in the interview, you can shoot them to me at GAOcomments at freesounds.org and I'll pass them along. Regards, geezer --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.