From kerry.cox at ksl.com  Mon Nov  3 20:52:11 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 03 Nov 2003 13:52:11 -0700
Subject: [icecast] subscription services on icecast2
Message-ID: <1067892731.16940.62.camel@quasi.ksl.com>


I just got a query from a user regarding icecast2 and thought I'd throw
it out to the mailing list. Is it possible to set up some sort of
subscription to an icecast2 audio feed? 
A student at the University of Cincinnati wants to create a subscription
service to an indie radio station and have users sign up, and then get a
login to the stream. They would have an unique username and password.
This they would then plug-in somewhere and then be fed the stream once
it validates.
Is it possible to do this using the latest icecast2? Thanks.
KJ

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Tue Nov  4 01:17:32 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 19:17:32 -0600
Subject: [icecast] subscription services on icecast2
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there are currently no subscription based implementations built in icecast2.

oddsock.
At 01:52 PM 11/3/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>I just got a query from a user regarding icecast2 and thought I'd throw
>it out to the mailing list. Is it possible to set up some sort of
>subscription to an icecast2 audio feed?
>A student at the University of Cincinnati wants to create a subscription
>service to an indie radio station and have users sign up, and then get a
>login to the stream. They would have an unique username and password.
>This they would then plug-in somewhere and then be fed the stream once
>it validates.
>Is it possible to do this using the latest icecast2? Thanks.
>KJ
>--
>Kerry Cox <kerry.cox at ksl.com>
>KSL Radio and Television

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From groups at mediacast1.com  Tue Nov  4 01:20:04 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 18:20:04 -0700
Subject: [icecast] subscription services on icecast2
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What are the chances of implementing it?

email me offlist oddsock.

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<p>> there are currently no subscription based implementations built in
icecast2.
>
> oddsock.
> At 01:52 PM 11/3/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >I just got a query from a user regarding icecast2 and thought I'd throw
> >it out to the mailing list. Is it possible to set up some sort of
> >subscription to an icecast2 audio feed?
> >A student at the University of Cincinnati wants to create a subscription
> >service to an indie radio station and have users sign up, and then get a
> >login to the stream. They would have an unique username and password.
> >This they would then plug-in somewhere and then be fed the stream once
> >it validates.
> >Is it possible to do this using the latest icecast2? Thanks.
> >KJ
> >--
> >Kerry Cox <kerry.cox at ksl.com>
> >KSL Radio and Television
>
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From djsnm at djsnm.com  Tue Nov  4 02:10:28 2003
From: djsnm at djsnm.com (Scott Manley)
Date: Mon, 03 Nov 2003 18:10:28 -0800
Subject: [icecast] subscription services on icecast2
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oddsock wrote:
> there are currently no subscription based implementations built in 
> icecast2.
> 
I don't kow if anyone remembers myplay.com - but we basically built it 
on top of icecast with smart access controls suitable for subscription 
services. Sure, that was icecast v1.0 but it ultimately isn't that 
different.

Of course... it still takes some time. The real work is all in the backend.

Scott Manley

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From groups at mediacast1.com  Tue Nov  4 05:53:18 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 2003 22:53:18 -0700
Subject: [icecast] capturing pid from command line
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Anyone know of or how to capture the pid via the command line in bash?

i.e. i use this to capture shoutcast's process id
#!/bin/bash
SRV=`cat serverlst.txt`

rm -rf pids/*

<p>for c in $SRV ; do

nohup ./sc_serv servers/$c > /dev/null 2>&1 &

echo "$! - $c" | tee pids/$c.pid

done

that works successfully with shoutcast but not with icecast2, ideas anyone?

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From adon at yorku.ca  Tue Nov  4 06:01:17 2003
From: adon at yorku.ca (Adon Irani)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 01:01:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] capturing pid from command line
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hello ;

can't recall where i got it from , but this should work .,

ps auxw | fgrep icecast | fgrep -v fgrep | awk '{print $2}'

 a:/,

<p>On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Dave St John wrote:

> Anyone know of or how to capture the pid via the command line in bash?
>
> i.e. i use this to capture shoutcast's process id
> #!/bin/bash
> SRV=`cat serverlst.txt`
>
> rm -rf pids/*
>
>
> for c in $SRV ; do
>
> nohup ./sc_serv servers/$c > /dev/null 2>&1 &
>
> echo "$! - $c" | tee pids/$c.pid
>
> done
>
> that works successfully with shoutcast but not with icecast2, ideas anyone?
>
>
> Dave St John
> (CEO) Mediacast1.com
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From groups at mediacast1.com  Tue Nov  4 07:06:09 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 00:06:09 -0700
Subject: [icecast] capturing pid from command line
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works sorda,
albeit this is what it spits out when capturing it to a file with the
following bash script

---------------------------------
#!/bin/bash
PATH=/bin:/sbin:/usr/bin:/usr/sbin:
export PATH

cd /usr/local/icecast2
echo "List of servers to work with"

cat ./servers.txt

printf "Please enter which server to start:"
read answer
printf "\n"

nohup bin/icecast -b -c servers/$answer > /dev/null 2>&1 &

<p>PID=`ps -auxw | fgrep icecast | fgrep -v fgrep | awk '{print$2}'`
echo "$PID - $answer" | tee pids/$answer.txt

pits out this
10470
10481
10494
10511
10526
10544
10560
10575
10590
10607
10622
10639
10656
10671
10690
10707
10724
10741
10758
10775
10792
10809 - 8000-oggv5-testaccount.xml

the last one being the correct pid, the reasone its spitting out all those
other pids is because im starting multiple config files and its capturing
all,
so any idea on how to just capture the parent pid to a file?

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<p>>
> hello ;
>
> can't recall where i got it from , but this should work .,
>
> ps auxw | fgrep icecast | fgrep -v fgrep | awk '{print $2}'
>
>  a:/,
>
>
> On Mon, 3 Nov 2003, Dave St John wrote:
>
> > Anyone know of or how to capture the pid via the command line in bash?
> >
> > i.e. i use this to capture shoutcast's process id
> > #!/bin/bash
> > SRV=`cat serverlst.txt`
> >
> > rm -rf pids/*
> >
> >
> > for c in $SRV ; do
> >
> > nohup ./sc_serv servers/$c > /dev/null 2>&1 &
> >
> > echo "$! - $c" | tee pids/$c.pid
> >
> > done
> >
> > that works successfully with shoutcast but not with icecast2, ideas
anyone?
> >
> >
> > Dave St John
> > (CEO) Mediacast1.com
> >
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From drew at drewb.com  Tue Nov  4 07:13:53 2003
From: drew at drewb.com (Drew Bertola)
Date: 03 Nov 2003 23:13:53 -0800
Subject: [icecast] capturing pid from command line
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On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 21:53, Dave St John wrote:
> Anyone know of or how to capture the pid via the command line in bash?

pidof ???

$ pidof httpd
827 825 824 788


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From assorgia at tin.it  Tue Nov  4 08:09:13 2003
From: assorgia at tin.it (assorgia at tin.it)
Date: Tue, 04 Nov 2003 09:09:13 +0100
Subject: [icecast] subscription services on icecast2
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Message-ID: <3FA76CB9.29967.83707@localhost>



On 3 Nov 2003 at 13:52, Kerry Cox wrote:

> I just got a query from a user regarding icecast2 and thought I'd throw
> it out to the mailing list. Is it possible to set up some sort of
> subscription to an icecast2 audio feed? 

I'm working on a similar service. I plan to use a custom made flash 
flash mp3 player to have the users login and play back the audio 
feed.

Doing so the end user never knows the real source of the feed, thus 
making impossibile to listen to it without authentication.

Unfortunately this is only possible using old icecats 1.3

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From josephus at freemail.hu  Tue Nov  4 08:32:59 2003
From: josephus at freemail.hu (Josephus)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 09:32:59 +0100
Subject: [icecast] subscription services on icecast2
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  why don't you make passwords for the mount points? (htpassword
  apache rulz) I know originally it's not mounted in apache (port 80)
  www service, but i read it somewhere that it is possible...

  have fun

ati> On 3 Nov 2003 at 13:52, Kerry Cox wrote:

>> I just got a query from a user regarding icecast2 and thought I'd throw
>> it out to the mailing list. Is it possible to set up some sort of
>> subscription to an icecast2 audio feed? 

ati> I'm working on a similar service. I plan to use a custom made flash 
ati> flash mp3 player to have the users login and play back the audio 
ati> feed.

ati> Doing so the end user never knows the real source of the feed, thus 
ati> making impossibile to listen to it without authentication.

ati> Unfortunately this is only possible using old icecats 1.3

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From groups at mediacast1.com  Tue Nov  4 10:14:55 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 03:14:55 -0700
Subject: [icecast] capturing pid from command line
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> pidof ???
icecast2 server, this is the icecast discussion list correct?

Dave St John
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<p>> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 21:53, Dave St John wrote:
> > Anyone know of or how to capture the pid via the command line in bash?
>
> pidof ???
>
> $ pidof httpd
> 827 825 824 788
>
> --
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From groups at mediacast1.com  Tue Nov  4 10:16:01 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 03:16:01 -0700
Subject: [icecast] capturing pid from command line
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> pidof ???
nevermind i misread ya :)

ill give that a worl

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<p>> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 21:53, Dave St John wrote:
> > Anyone know of or how to capture the pid via the command line in bash?
>
> pidof ???
>
> $ pidof httpd
> 827 825 824 788
>
> --
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From groups at mediacast1.com  Tue Nov  4 10:20:22 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 03:20:22 -0700
Subject: [icecast] capturing pid from command line
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that was interesting LOL
keep in mind its capturing the pid in a loop
see previous posts

results
[root at localhost icecast2]# cat pids/*
7060 - 8014-replaced-configfile.xml
7065 7060 - 8400-replaced-configfile.xml
7072 7065 7060 - 8404-replaced-configfile.xml
7095 7072 7065 7060 - 8410-replaced-configfile.xml
7101 7095 7072 7065 7060 - 8604-replaced-configfile.xml
7116 7101 7095 7072 7065 7060 - 8606-replaced-configfile.xml
7123 7116 7101 7095 7072 7065 7060 - 8614-replaced-configfile.xml
7141 7123 7116 7101 7095 7072 7065 7060 - 8616-replaced-configfile.xml
7148 7141 7123 7116 7101 7095 7072 7065 7060 - 8622-replaced-configfile.xml
7162 7148 7141 7123 7116 7101 7095 7072 7065 7060 -
8626-replaced-configfile.xml
7169 7162 7148 7141 7123 7116 7101 7095 7072 7065 7060 -
8628-replaced-configfile.xml
7175 7174 7169 7162 7148 7141 7123 7116 7101 7095 7072 7065 7060 -
8630-replaced-configfile.xml
7201 7175 7169 7162 7148 7141 7123 7116 7101 7095 7072 7065 7060 -
8632-replaced-configfile.xml
7208 7201 7175 7169 7162 7148 7141 7123 7116 7101 7095 7072 7065 7060 -
8634-replaced-configfile.xml
7230 7208 7201 7175 7169 7162 7148 7141 7123 7116 7101 7095 7072 7065 7060 -
8636-replaced-configfile.xml
7237 7230 7208 7201 7175 7169 7162 7148 7141 7123 7116 7101 7095 7072 7065
7060 - 8638-replaced-configfile.xml
7249 7237 7230 7208 7201 7175 7169 7162 7148 7141 7123 7116 7101 7095 7072
7065 7060 - 8640-replaced-configfile.xml
7256 7249 7237 7230 7208 7201 7175 7169 7162 7148 7141 7123 7116 7101 7095
7072 7065 7060 - 8642-replaced-configfile.xml
7277 7256 7249 7237 7230 7208 7201 7175 7169 7162 7148 7141 7123 7116 7101
7095 7072 7065 7060 - 8648-replaced-configfile.xml
7284 7277 7256 7249 7237 7230 7208 7201 7175 7169 7162 7148 7141 7123 7116
7101 7095 7072 7065 7060 - 8650-replaced-configfile.xml
7308 7284 7277 7256 7249 7237 7230 7208 7201 7175 7169 7162 7148 7141 7123
7116 7101 7095 7072 7065 7060 - 8652-replaced-configfile.xml

<p><p><p>Dave St John
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<p>> > pidof ???
> nevermind i misread ya :)
>
> ill give that a worl
>
>
> Dave St John
> (CEO) Mediacast1.com
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> To: <icecast at xiph.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 12:13 AM
> Subject: Re: [icecast] capturing pid from command line
>
>
> > On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 21:53, Dave St John wrote:
> > > Anyone know of or how to capture the pid via the command line in bash?
> >
> > pidof ???
> >
> > $ pidof httpd
> > 827 825 824 788
> >
> > --
> > Drew
> >
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From karl at xiph.org  Tue Nov  4 11:51:42 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 04 Nov 2003 11:51:42 +0000
Subject: [icecast] capturing pid from command line
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On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 07:13, Drew Bertola wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 21:53, Dave St John wrote:
> > Anyone know of or how to capture the pid via the command line in bash?
> 
> pidof ???
> 
> $ pidof httpd
> 827 825 824 788

pidof is ok if there is only on instance of the process, else try something
along the lines of using a wrapper script

icecast -c /path/icecast.xml &
echo $!

<p><p>karl.

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From KRISTOFFER.BJORKMAN at FRONTNET.ORG  Tue Nov  4 20:09:34 2003
From: KRISTOFFER.BJORKMAN at FRONTNET.ORG (Kristoffer Björkman)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 21:09:34 +0100
Subject: [icecast] mp3 stream relay without reen-/transcoding (SLIMP3)
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I have a problem that I hope perhaps someone could help me with.

I want to relay an mp3 stream (bitrate switching, metadata containing) from
an url like http://192.168.0.123:8000/stream.mp3 and serve it to multiple
listeners (Winamp clients) using Win32 environment for the relay machine. 

The original stream is being served by the (free!) SLIMP3 Server software
(http://www.slimdevices.com/pi_features.html). The stream consists of a
sequence of mp3 files being served without any reencoding, hence the bitrate
changes, and is (I guess) laced with song title metadata (32768 bytes
interval). The orginal stream plays excellently in Winamp.
In case this could be important - changing the stream 'filename'
(stream.mp3) does not seem to be an option, but the streaming port can be
changed freely.

I can *almost* get the result I want with Shoutcast, but this has my relay
machine running a Winamp client reencoding the stream and pushing it to the
shoutcast server. Thereby spending valuable CPU power on reencoding, not to
mention the lossy-to-lossy quality hit.

I am very grateful for help with my little problem. Even after spending
quite some time on the forums (and in the documentation too) of the
Shoutcast, Icecast and Oddsock web sites I haven't really found a good way
to solve it. I can't really accept that it would be an uncommon scenario -
wanting to relay an mp3 stream without 'doing anything' to it but still
having a bit of control over the serving.

I've used Shoutcast in *nix and Win32 enironments for many years, but I'm
new to the workings of Icecast and it's related tools.

/Kristoffer

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From andre at ircbrasil.com.br  Tue Nov  4 21:20:31 2003
From: andre at ircbrasil.com.br (Rádio IRCBrasil - Andre Marcelo)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 19:20:31 -0200
Subject: [icecast] Some Question
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Hi People,

I have a R?dio In Brasil that is running in shoutcast, and i am thinking to
migrate it to icecast.

What is the best version of icecast? 1 or 2? The version 2 is stable for
more than 100 listeners? Is icecast better than shoutcast? why?

Can i streming for windows media too? or just for winamp? if yes, how can i
do it?

Tank u very much

Andre - from brasil
http://play.ircbrasil.com.br

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From groups at mediacast1.com  Wed Nov  5 01:12:55 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:12:55 -0700
Subject: [icecast] capturing pid from command line
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tried that already but it doesnt catch the parent, it captures one of the
children.

Would the fact that the server runs as a user and not as root having
anything to do with $! not working, since it works with shoutcast
running as root?

<p>Dave St John
(CEO) Mediacast1.com
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Subject: Re: [icecast] capturing pid from command line

<p>> On Tue, 2003-11-04 at 07:13, Drew Bertola wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-11-03 at 21:53, Dave St John wrote:
> > > Anyone know of or how to capture the pid via the command line in bash?
> >
> > pidof ???
> >
> > $ pidof httpd
> > 827 825 824 788
>
> pidof is ok if there is only on instance of the process, else try
something
> along the lines of using a wrapper script
>
> icecast -c /path/icecast.xml &
> echo $!
>
>
>
> karl.
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From brendan at xiph.org  Wed Nov  5 01:24:31 2003
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 20:24:31 -0500
Subject: [icecast] capturing pid from command line
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On Tuesday, 04 November 2003 at 18:12, Dave St John wrote:
> tried that already but it doesnt catch the parent, it captures one of the
> children.
> 
> Would the fact that the server runs as a user and not as root having
> anything to do with $! not working, since it works with shoutcast
> running as root?

...
> > icecast -c /path/icecast.xml &
> > echo $!
...

off the top of my head, to get the parent of $! you might try
something like:

child=$!
parent=`ps -ef | egrep "^[a-z]+ *$child" | awk '{print $3}'

-b
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From groups at mediacast1.com  Wed Nov  5 01:43:05 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Tue, 4 Nov 2003 18:43:05 -0700
Subject: [icecast] capturing pid from command line
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still no workie :(

You guys think you could add this internaly in the icecast server?
(icecast.xml)
<server_pid>/path/to/my/file.pid</server_pid>

instead of using a shell script to facilitate this.

<p>Dave St John
(CEO) Mediacast1.com
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<p>> On Tuesday, 04 November 2003 at 18:12, Dave St John wrote:
> > tried that already but it doesnt catch the parent, it captures one of
the
> > children.
> >
> > Would the fact that the server runs as a user and not as root having
> > anything to do with $! not working, since it works with shoutcast
> > running as root?
>
> ...
> > > icecast -c /path/icecast.xml &
> > > echo $!
> ...
>
> off the top of my head, to get the parent of $! you might try
> something like:
>
> child=$!
> parent=`ps -ef | egrep "^[a-z]+ *$child" | awk '{print $3}'
>
> -b
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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Nov  5 03:12:58 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 13:12:58 +1000
Subject: [icecast] capturing pid from command line
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On Wednesday 05 November 2003 12:43, Dave St John wrote:
> still no workie :(
>
> You guys think you could add this internaly in the icecast server?
> (icecast.xml)
> <server_pid>/path/to/my/file.pid</server_pid>
>
> instead of using a shell script to facilitate this.

That would be possible. Would you care to define the semantics of this option 
in a platform-independent way?

Mike

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From groups at mediacast1.com  Wed Nov  5 07:32:44 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 00:32:44 -0700
Subject: [icecast] capturing pid from command line
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Of course this wouldnt be an option for Win32, as oddocks console can be ran
as a NT Service.

Obviously this would only be needed for *nx environments

Maybe
#ifdef _WIN32
#define pid
#endif

Im no c/c++ guru but it seems something like that added to whatever.c file?
and of course the added source files to facilitate this,
thats why you guys are the programmers and im just the promoters with ideas
:)

<p><p>Dave St John
(CEO) Mediacast1.com
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Subject: Re: [icecast] capturing pid from command line

<p>> On Wednesday 05 November 2003 12:43, Dave St John wrote:
> > still no workie :(
> >
> > You guys think you could add this internaly in the icecast server?
> > (icecast.xml)
> > <server_pid>/path/to/my/file.pid</server_pid>
> >
> > instead of using a shell script to facilitate this.
>
> That would be possible. Would you care to define the semantics of this
option
> in a platform-independent way?
>
> Mike
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From iceuse at kezako.net  Wed Nov  5 10:52:13 2003
From: iceuse at kezako.net (iceuse at kezako.net)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:52:13 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Webalizer for streams
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Hello,
last night, I worked to make a new version of webalizer for streams.
I put some info and example here:
http://radio.stalig.com:443/stats/webalizer/index.html
If you are interested... It's not finished (yearly stats are not ready), but monthly and daily stats are fine.

I'll try to have it integrated to regular webalizer version.

Chris
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From marco at ormgas.com  Wed Nov  5 11:08:02 2003
From: marco at ormgas.com (Marco Alanen)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 12:08:02 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Webalizer for streams
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On Wed, 05 Nov 2003 11:52:13 +0100
iceuse at kezako.net wrote:

> Hello,
> last night, I worked to make a new version of webalizer for streams.
> I put some info and example here:
> http://radio.stalig.com:443/stats/webalizer/index.html
> If you are interested... It's not finished (yearly stats are not ready), but monthly and daily stats are fine.
> 
> I'll try to have it integrated to regular webalizer version.

Looks like a really cool extension, however it seems like you've missed a
few files. This is what I get:

webalizer.c: In function `main':
webalizer.c:1185: error: `stream_list' undeclared (first use in this function)
webalizer.c:1185: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
webalizer.c:1185: error: for each function it appears in.)
webalizer.c: In function `get_config':
webalizer.c:1698: error: `stream_list' undeclared (first use in this function)

Thanks /Marco


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From iceuse at kezako.net  Wed Nov  5 11:33:39 2003
From: iceuse at kezako.net (iceuse at kezako.net)
Date: Wed, 05 Nov 2003 12:33:39 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Webalizer for streams
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Yes, I forgot two files... try it again now, it should be ok.
Chris
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From telmnstr at 757.org  Wed Nov  5 23:02:59 2003
From: telmnstr at 757.org (Ethan)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 18:02:59 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Icecast, freebsd, core dumped.
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FreeBSD 4.9
Icecast 13.1
Lame 3.90, 3.93

First time, I made lame via ports and made Icecast by hand.
Core dump

Second time, I removed the port version of lame made by hand, remade
icecast. Core dump (A previous message mentioned removing the port and
making Lame by hand).

Any clues?

The problem has been mentioned a few times on the list with no real
resolve.

I have lots of other boxes running old FreeBSD, older Lame and older
Icecast.

For giggles, I grabbed an old binary from a working FreeBSD box and threw
it on the non-working one, same error.

My guess is it is with Lame or with the sound card stuff for freebsd?

My sound card is the same model that I use in 3 other hosts (14 other
streams!)

I tried moving to Lame 3.91, nothing different.

Help!

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Wed Nov  5 23:46:28 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 6 Nov 2003 09:46:28 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Icecast, freebsd, core dumped.
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Hi:

Firstly, there is no icecast 13.1.  I'm guessing you mean icecast 1.3.1x.
Icecast 1.x is no longer officially supported.

Having said all that, icecast is just a server - it does not use Lame and
it does not read from the soundcard.  To help you any further, it would be
best if you could load the core file into gdb or whatever the freebsd
equivalent is and let us know where it crashed.

Geoff.

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From telmnstr at 757.org  Thu Nov  6 02:28:14 2003
From: telmnstr at 757.org (Ethan)
Date: Wed, 5 Nov 2003 21:28:14 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Icecast, freebsd, core dumped.
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> Hi:
> Firstly, there is no icecast 13.1.  I'm guessing you mean icecast 1.3.1x.
> Icecast 1.x is no longer officially supported.
> Having said all that, icecast is just a server - it does not use Lame and
> it does not read from the soundcard.  To help you any further, it would be
> best if you could load the core file into gdb or whatever the freebsd
> equivalent is and let us know where it crashed.
> Geoff.

*EEEEEEKKKKK*

EGG ON MY FACE.

Sorry sorry sorry,

Darkice 13.1.
Long day, wrong list.  :-)

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From assorgia at tin.it  Mon Nov 10 11:52:50 2003
From: assorgia at tin.it (assorgia at tin.it)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:52:50 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Dumping file with icecast 1.3
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Can I dump an old icecast (1.3) stream to a file?
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From andre at ircbrasil.com.br  Mon Nov 10 14:24:44 2003
From: andre at ircbrasil.com.br (Rádio IRCBrasil - Andre Marcelo)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:24:44 -0200
Subject: Fw: [icecast] Some Question
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some one receive this message?

ome one could help me please?

tanks 4 all
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<p>Hi People,

I have a R?dio In Brasil that is running in shoutcast, and i am thinking to
migrate it to icecast.

What is the best version of icecast? 1 or 2? The version 2 is stable for
more than 100 listeners? Is icecast better than shoutcast? why?

Can i streming for windows media too? or just for winamp? if yes, how can i
do it?

Tank u very much

Andre - from brasil
http://play.ircbrasil.com.br

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From remco at rc6.org  Mon Nov 10 14:32:29 2003
From: remco at rc6.org (Remco B. Brink)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:32:29 +0100
Subject: Fw: [icecast] Some Question
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<quote who="R?dio IRCBrasil - Andre Marcelo">

> I have a R?dio In Brasil that is running in shoutcast, and i am thinking to
> migrate it to icecast.
> 
> What is the best version of icecast? 1 or 2? 

Icecast 2

> The version 2 is stable for more than 100 listeners? 

Yes, I have had no problems running a 100 user relay on a Pentium 3.

> Is icecast better than shoutcast? why?

I find Icecast2 more configurable, it supports multiple mountpoints, has a
smaller memory footprint and hasn't yet crashed on me.
 
> Can i streming for windows media too? or just for winamp? 

Winamp is not an audio format.

Icecast2 can stream OGG and MP3, both of which are playable by most media
players available now.

-rbb


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From wdh at belbone.be  Mon Nov 10 14:32:07 2003
From: wdh at belbone.be (Wim)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 15:32:07 +0100
Subject: Fw: [icecast] Some Question
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http://www.icecast.org/doc.html

On Mon, 2003-11-10 at 15:24, R??dio IRCBrasil - Andre Marcelo wrote:
> some one receive this message?
> 
> some one could help me please?
> 
> tanks 4 all
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "R??dio IRCBrasil - Andre Marcelo" <andre at ircbrasil.com.br>
> To: <icecast at xiph.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, November 04, 2003 7:20 PM
> Subject: [icecast] Some Question
> 
> 
> Hi People,
> 
> I have a R??dio In Brasil that is running in shoutcast, and i am thinking to
> migrate it to icecast.
> 
> What is the best version of icecast? 1 or 2? The version 2 is stable for
> more than 100 listeners? Is icecast better than shoutcast? why?
> 
> Can i streming for windows media too? or just for winamp? if yes, how can i
> do it?
> 
> Tank u very much
> 
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From jam at zoidtechnologies.com  Mon Nov 10 14:32:56 2003
From: jam at zoidtechnologies.com (Jeff)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 09:32:56 -0500
Subject: Fw: [icecast] Some Question
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On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:24:44PM -0200, R?dio IRCBrasil - Andre Marcelo wrote:
> From: R?dio IRCBrasil - Andre Marcelo <andre at ircbrasil.com.br>
> To: <icecast at xiph.org>
> Subject: Fw: [icecast] Some Question
> Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 12:24:44 -0200
> X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
> 
> some one receive this message?
> 
> some one could help me please?
> 
> tanks 4 all

greetings,

check the archives of this mailing list for additional information.

however, here are some points:

- icecast != shoutcast
- icecast is primarily for ogg streaming <http://xiph.org/> not mp3
  streaming.
- join irc.freenode.net in #icecast to chat.
- client side (win32 workstations) need special "plugin" for the players.
  you can find one that works with winamp, but I've never used it so I don't
  know how good it is since I use xmms.

regards,
jonez

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Mon Nov 10 14:40:09 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 08:40:09 -0600
Subject: Fw: [icecast] Some Question
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At 09:32 AM 11/10/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>greetings,
>
>check the archives of this mailing list for additional information.

come on, do a bit more research before posting something like this, 
incorrect information causes alot of confusion.

>however, here are some points:
>
>- icecast != shoutcast
>- icecast is primarily for ogg streaming <http://xiph.org/> not mp3
>   streaming.

untrue.  Icecast2 supports both vorbis AND mp3 streaming equally...There is 
no preferential support, although since Xiph is also the owner of ogg 
vorbis, we STRONGLY encourage the use of vorbis...but from a technical 
standpoint both are very much supported.

>- join irc.freenode.net in #icecast to chat.
>- client side (win32 workstations) need special "plugin" for the players.
>   you can find one that works with winamp, but I've never used it so I don't
>   know how good it is since I use xmms.

most of the major media players (winamp, foobar2k) come with vorbis input 
plugins now, so no "special" plugins are needed....Winamp has been bundled 
with vorbis support for a while now, and foobar2k always has....

oddsock

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From ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz  Mon Nov 10 21:48:08 2003
From: ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz (Ross Levis)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 10:48:08 +1300
Subject: Fw: [icecast] Some Question
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Oddsock wrote:
> most of the major media players (winamp, foobar2k) come with 
> vorbis input plugins now.

Winamp & Foobar2k are not major media players.  I think around 70% of
all users either use Windows Media Player or the RealOne player.
Neither of which can play Vorbis streams, and this is a major hurdle in
the acceptance of Vorbis streaming.  I keep telling people that plugins
are coming, but they seem to be taking forever.

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From acolwell at real.com  Mon Nov 10 22:07:15 2003
From: acolwell at real.com (Aaron Colwell)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 14:07:15 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [vorbis-dev] RE: Fw: [icecast] Some Question
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Helix plays Vorbis. You should also be able to use the Helix plugins with 
stock RealOne players. Lately I've been making improvements to the Helix 
Vorbis code so it works better. I'm also fixing some bugs with Icecast 
playback. This is a personal side project of mine so please be patient.
I'm trying to get solid Vorbis playback in Helix as quickly as possible. 

I'm also planning on implementing the current Vorbis RTP draft for use 
with the Helix server. I may also experiment with some ideas I have for 
improving the draft so it can support things like streaming chained 
files and multicast playback.

Aaron

On Tue, 11 Nov 2003, Ross Levis wrote:

> Oddsock wrote:
> > most of the major media players (winamp, foobar2k) come with 
> > vorbis input plugins now.
> 
> Winamp & Foobar2k are not major media players.  I think around 70% of
> all users either use Windows Media Player or the RealOne player.
> Neither of which can play Vorbis streams, and this is a major hurdle in
> the acceptance of Vorbis streaming.  I keep telling people that plugins
> are coming, but they seem to be taking forever.
> 
> Ross.
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From groups at mediacast1.com  Tue Nov 11 01:38:19 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 18:38:19 -0700
Subject: Fw: [icecast] Some Question
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In the realm of internet radio id have to say 80% use winamp, or other
players supporting http streaming.
Winamp being the biggest major player and xmms for linux.
Only noobs to the pc world use windows media and real player, since they are
the ones thrown in your face.
Once the noobs find internet radio, its a matter of seconds before they are
downloading winamp.

Windows media only recently with 9 started supporting shoutcast and icecast2
mp3 streaming, you would of thunk
they would have figured that one out years ago.

There is a ogg vorbis plugin out there for windows media 9, and yes it does
work, but ill be damned if i can find the
site. :/

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<p>Oddsock wrote:
> most of the major media players (winamp, foobar2k) come with
> vorbis input plugins now.

Winamp & Foobar2k are not major media players.  I think around 70% of
all users either use Windows Media Player or the RealOne player.
Neither of which can play Vorbis streams, and this is a major hurdle in
the acceptance of Vorbis streaming.  I keep telling people that plugins
are coming, but they seem to be taking forever.

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From ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz  Tue Nov 11 02:10:51 2003
From: ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz (Ross Levis)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:10:51 +1300
Subject: Fw: [icecast] Some Question
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Hi Dave

> In the realm of internet radio id have to say 80% use winamp, 
> or other players supporting http streaming.

Perhaps that is the case for stream listeners.  I was quoting (from
memory) media players usage figures I read somewhere.  Once someone is
using WMP, they are generally hooked, and there are 100's if not 1000's
of streams available in the Radio Tuner section.

> There is a ogg vorbis plugin out there for windows media 9, 
> and yes it does work, but ill be damned if i can find the site. :/

I tried this some time ago and it played local ogg vorbis files ok but
would not stream.  It attempted to find the codec to download.

Regards,
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From ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz  Tue Nov 11 02:28:54 2003
From: ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz (Ross Levis)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 15:28:54 +1300
Subject: [vorbis-dev] RE: Fw: [icecast] Some Question
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Hi Aaron

> Helix plays Vorbis. You should also be able to use the Helix 
> plugins with stock RealOne players.

I'll give it a go, thanks.

> This is a personal side project of mine so please 
> be patient. I'm trying to get solid Vorbis playback in Helix 
> as quickly as possible.

I appreciate that you are doing this in your spare time.  I thank you
very much.  In my opinion, I think this, and a working WMP plugin,
should be an official Xiph priority.  I personally don't see anything
else as more important.  A video codec would be nice (Theora) but only
after the audio can be played & streamed in the 2 most popular players
on the planet.
 
Regards,
Ross.
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From groups at mediacast1.com  Tue Nov 11 03:03:38 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 20:03:38 -0700
Subject: Fw: [icecast] Some Question
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Yeah i found the coded off vorbis.com under the windows download area,
after first install you have to tweak the filter by telling the vorbis
decoder to do integer 16bit.

Was unable to stream ogg from a icecast2 server as well? i could have sworn
i was able to get this to work tho
some months back with a different plugin, ill bang my head till i find it :)

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Subject: RE: Fw: [icecast] Some Question

<p>Hi Dave

> In the realm of internet radio id have to say 80% use winamp,
> or other players supporting http streaming.

Perhaps that is the case for stream listeners.  I was quoting (from
memory) media players usage figures I read somewhere.  Once someone is
using WMP, they are generally hooked, and there are 100's if not 1000's
of streams available in the Radio Tuner section.

> There is a ogg vorbis plugin out there for windows media 9,
> and yes it does work, but ill be damned if i can find the site. :/

I tried this some time ago and it played local ogg vorbis files ok but
would not stream.  It attempted to find the codec to download.

Regards,
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From ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz  Tue Nov 11 03:19:29 2003
From: ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz (Ross Levis)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 16:19:29 +1300
Subject: Fw: [icecast] Some Question
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Dave St John wrote:
> Was unable to stream ogg from a icecast2 server as well? i 
> could have sworn i was able to get this to work tho some 
> months back with a different plugin, ill bang my head till i 
> find it :)

Paul Saunders would like it if you can find it for his website, as well
as a download link for Helix for RealOne.  I haven't tried that yet.
Hopefully it's a simple install for users.

Regards,

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From groups at mediacast1.com  Tue Nov 11 05:45:01 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Mon, 10 Nov 2003 22:45:01 -0700
Subject: Fw: [icecast] Some Question
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Yeah i havent had the chance to test real one with ogg vorbis,
can someone post where the plugins are if there any available yet.

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Subject: RE: Fw: [icecast] Some Question

<p>Dave St John wrote:
> Was unable to stream ogg from a icecast2 server as well? i 
> could have sworn i was able to get this to work tho some 
> months back with a different plugin, ill bang my head till i 
> find it :)

Paul Saunders would like it if you can find it for his website, as well
as a download link for Helix for RealOne.  I haven't tried that yet.
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From assorgia at tin.it  Tue Nov 11 08:06:02 2003
From: assorgia at tin.it (assorgia at tin.it)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 09:06:02 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Some Question
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On 10 Nov 2003 at 18:38, Dave St John wrote:

> In the realm of internet radio id have to say 80% use winamp, or other
> players supporting http streaming.
> Winamp being the biggest major player and xmms for linux.
> Only noobs to the pc world use windows media and real player, since they are
> the ones thrown in your face.
> Once the noobs find internet radio, its a matter of seconds before they are
> downloading winamp.

Maybe I'm getting tedious but the macromedia flash plug-in is ready 
to play back mp3 streams, and without any player to download.

How about solving the problems that makes it unusable with 
icecast2?
I can do the testing if it helps.

Also I would like to know if anyone knows if Macromedia is planning 
to support Ogg Vorbis sometime in the future.
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From ice at wasteland.respond2.com  Tue Nov 11 09:42:57 2003
From: ice at wasteland.respond2.com (Keegan Quinn)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 01:42:57 -0800
Subject: [icecast] Some Question
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On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 09:06:02AM +0100, assorgia at tin.it wrote:
> Also I would like to know if anyone knows if Macromedia is planning 
> to support Ogg Vorbis sometime in the future.

You should probably ask them, if you want to find out.

 - Keegan

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From assorgia at tin.it  Tue Nov 11 12:08:38 2003
From: assorgia at tin.it (assorgia at tin.it)
Date: Tue, 11 Nov 2003 13:08:38 +0100
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> You should probably ask them, if you want to find out.
Yeah, as it was easy...

I hoped that the development group had some contact with them.

I'll try asking myself and report to this list when the answer'll come (if 
it'll  ever do). 

Thanks anyway.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Tue Nov 11 23:42:58 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:42:58 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Some Question
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On Tuesday 11 November 2003 19:06, assorgia at tin.it wrote:
> On 10 Nov 2003 at 18:38, Dave St John wrote:
> > In the realm of internet radio id have to say 80% use winamp, or other
> > players supporting http streaming.
> > Winamp being the biggest major player and xmms for linux.
> > Only noobs to the pc world use windows media and real player, since they
> > are the ones thrown in your face.
> > Once the noobs find internet radio, its a matter of seconds before they
> > are downloading winamp.
>
> Maybe I'm getting tedious but the macromedia flash plug-in is ready
> to play back mp3 streams, and without any player to download.
>
> How about solving the problems that makes it unusable with
> icecast2?
> I can do the testing if it helps.

What is the problem? Please give a very detailed explanation. If possible, 
also provide network dumps of flash
        a) successfully playing an mp3 stream
        b) failing to play an icecast2 mp3 stream.

Mike

        

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From kerry.cox at ksl.com  Wed Nov 12 16:06:23 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 12 Nov 2003 09:06:23 -0700
Subject: [icecast] parsing icecast 1 and icecast2 logs in GUI web format
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I know this was mentioned some time back, but I am curious if anyone has
had any further success with this. My radio station is looking for a
nice clean comprehensive overview of all connections to our icecast 1
and 2 servers. Someone had tweaked the webalizer program to render all
the stats in a nice GUI format. However, there were still a couple items
missing. 
Just wondering what everyone else has done to render stats or if any
updates have been made to the webalizer tweak. 
Have the developers considered pulling webalizer into icecast for
generating daily status reports. I am sure the webalizer admin would not
mind. I've written to him in the past and he's a fairly amicable guy.
KJ


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From lemmingsml at nerim.fr  Wed Nov 12 16:16:04 2003
From: lemmingsml at nerim.fr (EISELE Pascal)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 17:16:04 +0100
Subject: [icecast] parsing icecast 1 and icecast2 logs in GUI web format
In-Reply-To: <1068653183.25164.178.camel@quasi.ksl.com>
Message-ID: <3FB25CC4.807@nerim.fr>



Hi

I'm using webalizer without any modification to parse icecast 1 log 
files. It's not so bad. I'm also using a set of shellscript to do some 
stats with mrtg (such as simultaneous listeners graph) and I've planed 
to make a small java program using mrtg or rrdtool to remplace my 
shellscript and so avoid to need access to log files.

Bests regards,
EISELE Pascal

Kerry Cox a ?crit :

>I know this was mentioned some time back, but I am curious if anyone has
>had any further success with this. My radio station is looking for a
>nice clean comprehensive overview of all connections to our icecast 1
>and 2 servers. Someone had tweaked the webalizer program to render all
>the stats in a nice GUI format. However, there were still a couple items
>missing. 
>Just wondering what everyone else has done to render stats or if any
>updates have been made to the webalizer tweak. 
>Have the developers considered pulling webalizer into icecast for
>generating daily status reports. I am sure the webalizer admin would not
>mind. I've written to him in the past and he's a fairly amicable guy.
>KJ
>
>  
>

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From boink at tetter.xs4all.nl  Wed Nov 12 19:10:51 2003
From: boink at tetter.xs4all.nl (boink)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:10:51 +0100
Subject: [icecast] parsing icecast 1 and icecast2 logs in GUI web format
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have you tried using analog for your webstats? I use analog and I get
fairly good results.

b.

On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 09:06:23AM -0700, Kerry Cox wrote:
> I know this was mentioned some time back, but I am curious if anyone has
> had any further success with this. My radio station is looking for a
> nice clean comprehensive overview of all connections to our icecast 1
> and 2 servers. Someone had tweaked the webalizer program to render all
> the stats in a nice GUI format. However, there were still a couple items
> missing. 
> Just wondering what everyone else has done to render stats or if any
> updates have been made to the webalizer tweak. 
> Have the developers considered pulling webalizer into icecast for
> generating daily status reports. I am sure the webalizer admin would not
> mind. I've written to him in the past and he's a fairly amicable guy.
> KJ
> 
> -- 
> 
> /------------------------------------\__/-------------------------\
> |            Kerry J. Cox             __     kerry.cox at ksl.com    |
> |      KSL System Administrator      |  |     p: 801.575.7771     |
> |  http://quasi.ksl.com/pubkey.html  |__|     f: 801.575.5745     |
> \------------------------------------/  \-------------------------/

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From kerry.cox at ksl.com  Wed Nov 12 17:14:38 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 12 Nov 2003 10:14:38 -0700
Subject: [icecast] parsing icecast 1 and icecast2 logs in GUI web format
In-Reply-To: <3FB25CC4.807@nerim.fr>
Message-ID: <1068657277.25164.193.camel@quasi.ksl.com>


Eisele,
Would you mind sharing with myself and other what you did to get this
running? I am very familiar with webalizer, but perhaps others are not
so. 
I'd be curious to see your scripts for getting it to work with MRTG
seeing as how I use that often as well.
Thanks.
KJ

<p>On Wed, 2003-11-12 at 09:16, EISELE Pascal wrote:
> Hi
> 
> I'm using webalizer without any modification to parse icecast 1 log 
> files. It's not so bad. I'm also using a set of shellscript to do some 
> stats with mrtg (such as simultaneous listeners graph) and I've planed 
> to make a small java program using mrtg or rrdtool to remplace my 
> shellscript and so avoid to need access to log files.
> 
> Bests regards,
> EISELE Pascal
> 
> Kerry Cox a ??crit :
> 
> >I know this was mentioned some time back, but I am curious if anyone has
> >had any further success with this. My radio station is looking for a
> >nice clean comprehensive overview of all connections to our icecast 1
> >and 2 servers. Someone had tweaked the webalizer program to render all
> >the stats in a nice GUI format. However, there were still a couple items
> >missing. 
> >Just wondering what everyone else has done to render stats or if any
> >updates have been made to the webalizer tweak. 
> >Have the developers considered pulling webalizer into icecast for
> >generating daily status reports. I am sure the webalizer admin would not
> >mind. I've written to him in the past and he's a fairly amicable guy.
> >KJ
> >
> >  
> >
> 
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From dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de  Wed Nov 12 18:38:44 2003
From: dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de (Thomas B. Ruecker, DM8TBR)
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 19:38:44 +0100
Subject: [icecast] parsing icecast 1 and icecast2 logs in GUI web format
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Message-ID: <00cb01c3a94c$34c15540$20715382@puck>


Hi Kerry,

Some time ago I had to setup mrtg graphing too.
I'll try to give a short outline of what I did:

1. how do I get listener numbers into MRTG?
2. how to interface XSLT with MRTG?
3. how to set up MRTG?

1. I chose to use the xslt-features provided by Icecast and placed files called lstn-*.xsl for every mountpoint in the icecast web-root. The sole purpose of this xslt-sheet is returning the current number of listeners for a mountpoint as a plain-text string.

2. mrtg was written for SNMP but accepts also data from other sources if they follow certain conventions (refer to the comments in the perl-script or one of the available howtos for details). So I hacked up a short perl-script that gets the current number of listeners by http and feeds it into mrtg along with some additional data (like description etc.). You can find an example perl-script attached to this mail. It was hacked up in only a few minutes and because it was running ok I never touched it again, although some features (e.g. uptime) are not used. ;)
Note: the script requires some perl-libraries to run.

3. MRTG calls the Script created in 2. (see mrtg.cfg) Everything else happens automagically. ;)

A result can be seen here: http://dk0td.afthd.tu-darmstadt.de/mrtg/icecast/radio.ogg_and_radio+.ogg.html

Probably there is an easier way to accomplish this, but it works fine for me. Of course the Perl part could have been done in php or $YOUR_FAVOURITE_SCRIPTING_LANGUAGE...

One thing I noticed during organizing the relay for http://www.subether.de/ was: the stats seem to get off pretty much. This may have been caused by an unstable connection to the source server, but it shouldn't have happened anyway. This issue was addressed in an email to the list some time ago, but no one answered to it IIRC. Is this still happening?

Thomas

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From robin.blanchard at gactr.uga.edu  Thu Nov 13 15:57:49 2003
From: robin.blanchard at gactr.uga.edu (Robin P. Blanchard)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:57:49 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Icecast / liveice quandry
Message-ID: <EE3D3FBAFFCAED448C21C398FDAD91AC01089F@EBE1.gc.nat>



I've been running classic icecast + liveice for some time now (several years)
without problems. A couple days ago, the station manager (NPR affiliate) came
to me and asked if we could 'inject' a static file into the stream. Basically
what he wants is for the client to first receive a static file (requesting
donations of course) and then on to the live stream (*not* intermittently).
I'm hoping this can be accomplished server-side with either icecast or
liveice; but haven't had any luck. Here's my working liveice config...
Look forward to suggestions/ideas.

<p>SERVER 127.0.0.1
PORT 80
X_AUDIOCAST_LOGIN
PASSWORD *****
NAME WUGA 91.7/97.9FM: Athens, GA, USA
GENRE Other, NPR
PUBLIC 1
DESCRIPTION 91.7/97.9FM: Athens, GA, USA

DEBUG 0
VERBOSE 0

SOUNDCARD
SOUND_DEVICE /dev/dspW
FULL_DUPLEX 
NO_MIXER

USE_LAME3 /usr/local/bin/lame
#ENCODER_ARGS -p -c -h
#ENCODER_ARGS -c -h --silent
ENCODER_ARGS --silent

ENCODER_STREAM_SET 1
SAMPLE_RATE 44100
BITRATE 128000
STEREO
MOUNTPOINT hi
URL http://wuga.org/

ENCODER_STREAM_SET 0
SAMPLE_RATE 22050
BITRATE 16000
MONO
MOUNTPOINT lo
URL http://wuga.org/

---------------------------------------
Robin P. Blanchard
Systems Integration Specialist
Georgia Center for Continuing Education
fon: 706.542.2404 < > fax: 706.542.6546
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From andre at ircbrasil.com.br  Thu Nov 13 16:19:57 2003
From: andre at ircbrasil.com.br (Rádio IRCBrasil - Andre Marcelo)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 14:19:57 -0200
Subject: [icecast] a Question
In-Reply-To: <00cb01c3a94c$34c15540$20715382@puck>
Message-ID: <001e01c3aa01$fd5c9c20$170a0a0a@LOCAL>



Hi people, i am testing icecast 2 and its really very very good, the quality
of the sound is very better than shoutcast.

but i have a question:

in shoutcast, i make a web forfward : http://play.myradio.com.br to
http://www.myradio.com.br:8000/listen.pls and wen the user click, the winamp
or real one automatically open an play my radio.

In shoutcast can i do it too? if yes, how i do?

tank u very much

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From adon at yorku.ca  Thu Nov 13 16:38:45 2003
From: adon at yorku.ca (Adon Irani)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 11:38:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Icecast / liveice quandry
In-Reply-To: <EE3D3FBAFFCAED448C21C398FDAD91AC01089F@EBE1.gc.nat>
Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.58.0311131136220.19062@sunrise.ccs.yorku.ca>



i know with icecast2/ices , karl heyes has some example config files for
mixing live/static content ( if i recall correctly ) .

 however, what i had done in the past is add the static file to the .pls
prior to the live mount . if you generate the .pls files on demand , this
would work  . ALSO , i'm quite sure that both icecast1/2 support
intro/outtro files , etc .. this may achieve the same effect .

a:/,

On Thu, 13 Nov 2003, Robin P. Blanchard wrote:

> I've been running classic icecast + liveice for some time now (several years)
> without problems. A couple days ago, the station manager (NPR affiliate) came
> to me and asked if we could 'inject' a static file into the stream. Basically
> what he wants is for the client to first receive a static file (requesting
> donations of course) and then on to the live stream (*not* intermittently).
> I'm hoping this can be accomplished server-side with either icecast or
> liveice; but haven't had any luck. Here's my working liveice config...
> Look forward to suggestions/ideas.
>
>
> SERVER 127.0.0.1
> PORT 80
> X_AUDIOCAST_LOGIN
> PASSWORD *****
> NAME WUGA 91.7/97.9FM: Athens, GA, USA
> GENRE Other, NPR
> PUBLIC 1
> DESCRIPTION 91.7/97.9FM: Athens, GA, USA
>
> DEBUG 0
> VERBOSE 0
>
> SOUNDCARD
> SOUND_DEVICE /dev/dspW
> FULL_DUPLEX
> NO_MIXER
>
> USE_LAME3 /usr/local/bin/lame
> #ENCODER_ARGS -p -c -h
> #ENCODER_ARGS -c -h --silent
> ENCODER_ARGS --silent
>
> ENCODER_STREAM_SET 1
> SAMPLE_RATE 44100
> BITRATE 128000
> STEREO
> MOUNTPOINT hi
> URL http://wuga.org/
>
> ENCODER_STREAM_SET 0
> SAMPLE_RATE 22050
> BITRATE 16000
> MONO
> MOUNTPOINT lo
> URL http://wuga.org/
>
> ---------------------------------------
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> Systems Integration Specialist
> Georgia Center for Continuing Education
> fon: 706.542.2404 < > fax: 706.542.6546
> ---------------------------------------
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From matt at sprout.org  Thu Nov 13 16:48:02 2003
From: matt at sprout.org (Matt Boersma)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 10:48:02 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Icecast / liveice quandry
In-Reply-To: <EE3D3FBAFFCAED448C21C398FDAD91AC01089F@EBE1.gc.nat>
Message-ID: <20031113104802.B20298@sprout.org>


If you use an .m3u file, this is trivial.  Just insert the URL for the
static file on a line before the one pointing to your live stream.

We did the same thing at KGNU when we wanted to let everyone know
about the webcaster royalty protest day, and it worked perfectly.

Matt

On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 10:57:49AM -0500, Robin P. Blanchard wrote:
> I've been running classic icecast + liveice for some time now (several years)
> without problems. A couple days ago, the station manager (NPR affiliate) came
> to me and asked if we could 'inject' a static file into the stream...

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From leo.currie at strath.ac.uk  Thu Nov 13 16:51:30 2003
From: leo.currie at strath.ac.uk (Leo Currie)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 16:51:30 +0000
Subject: [icecast] a Question
In-Reply-To: <001e01c3aa01$fd5c9c20$170a0a0a@LOCAL>
Message-ID: <3FB3B692.9080907@strath.ac.uk>



R??dio IRCBrasil - Andre Marcelo wrote:
> Hi people, i am testing icecast 2 and its really very very good, the quality
> of the sound is very better than shoutcast.

Yeah, the quality of Ogg Vorbis is way better :)

> but i have a question:
> 
> in shoutcast, i make a web forfward : http://play.myradio.com.br to
> http://www.myradio.com.br:8000/listen.pls and wen the user click, the winamp
> or real one automatically open an play my radio.
> 
> In shoutcast can i do it too? if yes, how i do?

You mean Icecast of course!
Use the following format:
http://www.myradio.com.br:8000/mountpoint_name.m3u
..where mountpoint_name is the mountpoint that your encoder connects at.

For example, if you have a stream at
http://radiosix.no-ip.com:8002/radiosix.ogg
.. then the playlist file is at..
http://radiosix.no-ip.com:8002/radiosix.ogg.m3u

Hope that makes sense!

Leo

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From karl at xiph.org  Thu Nov 13 16:55:26 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 13 Nov 2003 16:55:26 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Icecast / liveice quandry
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Message-ID: <1068742525.7629.6.camel@bogus.hackers.club>



On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 16:38, Adon Irani wrote:
> i know with icecast2/ices , karl heyes has some example config files for
> mixing live/static content ( if i recall correctly ) .

just to clarify, the ices2 mods I have do allow for stating multiple
inputs but not mixing, they are full switchover.  This would work in
this case as the first would be a once through playlist followed by an
oss input (for example).  The issue here is ices2 only sends out ogg
vorbis so an mp3 stream would have to be transcoded from it.

karl.

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From keith at penguingurus.com  Thu Nov 13 17:24:22 2003
From: keith at penguingurus.com (Keith Geffert)
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 2003 12:24:22 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Icecast / liveice quandry
In-Reply-To: <20031113104802.B20298@sprout.org>
Message-ID: <1068744261.1096.12.camel@vaio.reptyle.home>


I've done this and it works great.  But there are drawbacks.  If the
player client is in random track mode, the player may play the live
stream first, and never the static content.

I've always wanted an option to have a static file(s) presented to the
client before the live stream.  Having it done on the server would make
sure that whatever the static content was it couldn't be skipped.  The
Real Player stations has intro promos and little commercials, like
that.  If you knew the final url you could bypass them all.

I'd even like to see the static files be affected by mount point
declarations in the config.  Then you could use the fallback directive
to eventually kick it to a live stream.

<p>On Thu, 2003-11-13 at 11:48, Matt Boersma wrote:
> If you use an .m3u file, this is trivial.  Just insert the URL for the
> static file on a line before the one pointing to your live stream.
> 
> We did the same thing at KGNU when we wanted to let everyone know
> about the webcaster royalty protest day, and it worked perfectly.

<p><p>
-- 
Keith Geffert <keith at penguingurus.com>


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From andre at ircbrasil.com.br  Fri Nov 14 15:22:15 2003
From: andre at ircbrasil.com.br (Rádio IRCBrasil - Andre Marcelo)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 13:22:15 -0200
Subject: [icecast] IceCast Problem
In-Reply-To: <1068744261.1096.12.camel@vaio.reptyle.home>
Message-ID: <000701c3aac3$17f6c9e0$170a0a0a@LOCAL>



hi people,

i am using dsp_oddcast_02262003 with winamp 2.91 to streaming for my icecast
2 server. Eventually the winamp is crashing, and not just im my pc, but in
all that i am using. My SO is windows 98 second edition with all windows
updates maked.

I has testing other software for streaming to icecast, the m3w streamer, i
liked it, but it stream just to mp3 and not for ogg. I really has like of
ogg, is very very very better than mp3.

Some one can give me a sugestion about can i do?

there are other sofware for streaming to icecast / ogg than not oddcast? i
dont use winamp for play the music, i use atomixMP3 trial.

other question, icecast 1 streamin to ogg too? i has used it last year for
mp3 and i never has problem.

Other question, just for comparation, a transmition in 24 kbps for ogg can
be considered equal a 32kbps in mp3 in terms of quality? i think yes, but i
wanna a sugestion of you.

PS: sorry my bad english, i am from brasil.

Tanks very much people.

Andr? Marcelo
R?dio IRCBrasil
http://play.ircbrasil.com.br

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From kerry.cox at ksl.com  Fri Nov 14 21:39:18 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 14 Nov 2003 14:39:18 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Webalizer for streams
In-Reply-To: <E1AHLGn-0001QP-00@Zantos>
Message-ID: <1068845957.29897.130.camel@quasi.ksl.com>


Chris,
I am trying to put together something similar to what you have done with
webalizer for my own icecast streaming server. I am not sure if you
already sent me your configs or not. If so, I have misplaced them. Any
chance you could share once more with me how you got webalizer to work
with your streaming server?
Thanks.
KJ

<p>On Wed, 2003-11-05 at 03:52, iceuse at kezako.net wrote:
> Hello,
> last night, I worked to make a new version of webalizer for streams.
> I put some info and example here:
> http://radio.stalig.com:443/stats/webalizer/index.html
> If you are interested... It's not finished (yearly stats are not ready), but monthly and daily stats are fine.
> 
> I'll try to have it integrated to regular webalizer version.
> 
> Chris
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From geezer at freesounds.net  Fri Nov 14 21:46:15 2003
From: geezer at freesounds.net (geezer)
Date: Fri, 14 Nov 2003 16:46:15 -0500
Subject: [icecast] IceCast Problem
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Message-ID: <3FB54D27.2030506@freesounds.net>



Hi Andre
I think you can use the oddsock plugin with foobar2000.
http://www.foobar2000.org/
Win98 is a little shaky, but it ought to work.
Good luck.
g

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From isaac at belial.pl.eu.org  Sun Nov 16 23:52:33 2003
From: isaac at belial.pl.eu.org (DM)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 00:52:33 +0100
Subject: [icecast] dumping to multiple files
Message-ID: <20031117005233.A341@waagh.ustronet>



        Hello.

        I intend to make a live streaming of a quite long multi-artist concert
( 8h or so). I also would like to dump the concert to a file(s).
For several reasons I would prefer to dump performance of every artist               
to seperate file. Is it possible to somehow tell ices2 to switch dumping
from one file to another ( without interrupting a transmission of course ) ?
Or maybe there are some other ways of achieving this?

Thank you for any help.


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From stefan at neufeind.net  Mon Nov 17 07:50:48 2003
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:50:48 +0100
Subject: [icecast] dumping to multiple files
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On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 at 08:40:35, DM wrote:

> 	I intend to make a live streaming of a quite long multi-artist concert
> ( 8h or so). I also would like to dump the concert to a file(s).
> For several reasons I would prefer to dump performance of every artist       
>        
> to seperate file. Is it possible to somehow tell ices2 to switch dumping
> from one file to another ( without interrupting a transmission of course ) ?
> Or maybe there are some other ways of achieving this?

Haven't yet tried (and needed) this myself. But would maybe moving the dumpfile 
away and giving ices2 a SIGHUP, SIGUSR1 or SIGUSR2 help? Don't know how it's 
implemented though ...

Regards,
  Stefan
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From karl at xiph.org  Mon Nov 17 12:49:21 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 17 Nov 2003 12:49:21 +0000
Subject: [icecast] dumping to multiple files
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On Mon, 2003-11-17 at 07:50, Stefan Neufeind wrote:
> On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 at 08:40:35, DM wrote:
> 
> > 	I intend to make a live streaming of a quite long multi-artist concert
> > ( 8h or so). I also would like to dump the concert to a file(s).
> > For several reasons I would prefer to dump performance of every artist       
> >        
> > to seperate file. Is it possible to somehow tell ices2 to switch dumping
> > from one file to another ( without interrupting a transmission of course ) ?
> > Or maybe there are some other ways of achieving this?
> 
> Haven't yet tried (and needed) this myself. But would maybe moving the dumpfile 
> away and giving ices2 a SIGHUP, SIGUSR1 or SIGUSR2 help? Don't know how it's 
> implemented though ...

That won't work, and unfortunately I haven't had chance to move various
bits into cvs yet, however I do have code you can use.

My mods to libshout/ices2 will support multiple save files, using a
duration marker or metadata update (ie USR1 in live mode) as the
trigger.

The code is on www.xiph.org/~karl, you'll need the libshout on there as
well as the savefile is not the only thing different. Look at the
examples in the conf directory to see the xml layout.

karl.

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From seba at mtss.dnsalias.org  Tue Nov 18 07:07:04 2003
From: seba at mtss.dnsalias.org (Sebastian Muniz)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 01:07:04 -0600
Subject: [icecast] multiple inputs from one soundcard.
Message-ID: <20031118010704.4f10d5c4.seba@mtss.dnsalias.org>



Hi!
i beg your pardon if this is not the right forum.
Please point me in the right direction if not.

I'm trying to stream multiple different voice streams from line in, cd
in, aux in, and mic in, with a single sound card simultaneously.

I need to broadcast at least 8 sound signals with two soundcards, maybe
four.
I don't know how to tell ices where to get their input, nor if
this is possible.

Is there any way to feed these to four mounts in ices to the encoders
with just one sound card?

I'm working on Debian linux, with Oss.
I can switch to FreeBSD, or what ever, with alsa, if necesary.

Thanks a lot.


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From telmnstr at 757.org  Tue Nov 18 08:07:49 2003
From: telmnstr at 757.org (Ethan)
Date: Tue, 18 Nov 2003 03:07:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] multiple inputs from one soundcard.
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> Hi!
> i beg your pardon if this is not the right forum.
> Please point me in the right direction if not.
> I'm trying to stream multiple different voice streams from line in, cd
> in, aux in, and mic in, with a single sound card simultaneously.
> I need to broadcast at least 8 sound signals with two soundcards, maybe
> four.
> I don't know how to tell ices where to get their input, nor if
> this is possible.
> Is there any way to feed these to four mounts in ices to the encoders
> with just one sound card?
> I'm working on Debian linux, with Oss.
> I can switch to FreeBSD, or what ever, with alsa, if necesary.
> Thanks a lot.

Can't be done!

The sound card has one ADC (Analog to digital converter) than handles 2
channels.

The CD, Aux, Modem, Line, Mic, etc inputs are all mixed and fed to those 2
channels.

And unfortunately Lame can't break left and right into separate channels.

Here was my solution (we currently run 13 streams, I was shooting for 22
but put things on hold for a while):

http://users.757.org/~ethan/pics/geek/computer_stuff/soundcard_champion/

Its a FreeBSD system with a PICMG backplane board. Had it seeing 11 cards
but it gets mega unstable at 7.

It would rock if there was a way to use one of the pro audio boards that
does 8 or 16 inputs, but FreeBSD would have to support breaking it out
into 16 DSP devices.

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Wed Nov 19 14:56:11 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 08:56:11 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Icecast 2.0 Beta 1 Announcement
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20031119081857.032fcb00@www.oddsock.org>



This message is to announce that the Icecast project is now finally moving 
to a 2.0 release.  After way too much time in an alpha state, we've decided 
to start the (hopefully) short trek to a 2.0 release.

We need the help of any and all users in testing this version of 
icecast.  You should not be suprised by Beta 1, as it contains all the same 
functionality that is currently in CVS.  We are now in a feature freeze for 
2.0 and no new features will be added.  All users are encouraged to 
thoroughly test on as many platforms as is possible.

Please send all Bug reports to the icecast-dev mailing list.

We expect to run this beta program for a few weeks, depending on the 
results, and have a fresh Icecast 2.0 release by the end of the year 
(possibly sooner).  We also have a few new features on tap 
(http://wiki.xiph.org/Icecast2ReleasePlan) and plan to follow up the 2.0 
release with a quick 2.1 release with the new functionality.

Check http://www.icecast.org for the announcement and link to Beta 1.

oddsock

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From valankar at bellsouth.net  Wed Nov 19 22:55:37 2003
From: valankar at bellsouth.net (Viraj Alankar)
Date: Wed, 19 Nov 2003 17:55:37 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Disconnecting relay when no clients connected / Conserving bandwidth
Message-ID: <20031119225537.GB13539@bigfoot.com>



Hello,

I'm running an Icecast relay in my office. Is there any plans to provide the
ability to disconnect from the master server when there are no clients
connected to my relay? The main reason is to conserve bandwidth when no one is
connected.

I looked a bit at the code as to how to implement this, but was wondering if
anyone else might be working on it.

Thanks,

Viraj.
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From karl at xiph.org  Wed Nov 19 23:22:00 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 19 Nov 2003 23:22:00 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Disconnecting relay when no clients connected / Conserving bandwidth
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On Wed, 2003-11-19 at 22:55, Viraj Alankar wrote:
> Hello,
> 
> I'm running an Icecast relay in my office. Is there any plans to provide the
> ability to disconnect from the master server when there are no clients
> connected to my relay? The main reason is to conserve bandwidth when no one is
> connected.
> 
> I looked a bit at the code as to how to implement this, but was wondering if
> anyone else might be working on it.

Disconnecting the stream is fairly easy, you're just looking for 0
listeners, the problem is the trigger for connecting when there is no
existing stream, and what the behaviour is regarding listeners. These
are not necessarily impossible, just not attainable at the moment.

karl.

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From lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at  Thu Nov 20 12:59:36 2003
From: lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at (Lukas Österreicher)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 13:59:36 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Readme notice
Message-ID: <A8WRDVUA0G94GFSO0664XVGFKFKEN.3fbcbab8@lukas>



Hello

Just a little notice to the developers:
The README file - here it states to do a ./configure.
This is outdated, it has to be ./autogen.sh.

:=)

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From karl at xiph.org  Thu Nov 20 13:15:41 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 20 Nov 2003 13:15:41 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Readme notice
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On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 12:59, Lukas ??sterreicher wrote:
> Hello
> 
> Just a little notice to the developers:
> The README file - here it states to do a ./configure.
> This is outdated, it has to be ./autogen.sh.

not quite, autogen.sh is used to build the configure script then
run it automatically. On an actual the package released as say a tar
file with the configure script, the configure can be run. It's the
configure that actually determines the capability of the host OS.

karl.

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From lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at  Thu Nov 20 18:05:15 2003
From: lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at (Lukas Österreicher)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:05:15 +0100
Subject: [icecast] compiler warning
Message-ID: <A005AJELHRL21D096IEFPKNHHFFC4.3fbd025b@lukas>



Hi again.

I just compiled icecast 2.
It seemed ok but at the end I got this:

/usr/bin/ld: warning: libcom_err.so.2, needed by /usr/lib/libcurl.so, may conflict with libcom_err.so.3

Is this anything I have to take care of?
Can you explain what it means?

Thanx,
Luke

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From karl at xiph.org  Thu Nov 20 18:23:47 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 20 Nov 2003 18:23:47 +0000
Subject: [icecast] compiler warning
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On Thu, 2003-11-20 at 18:05, Lukas ??sterreicher wrote:
> Hi again.
> 
> I just compiled icecast 2.
> It seemed ok but at the end I got this:
> 
> /usr/bin/ld: warning: libcom_err.so.2, needed by /usr/lib/libcurl.so, may conflict with libcom_err.so.3
> 
> Is this anything I have to take care of?
> Can you explain what it means?

The icecast you have built is relying on other libs, and there's
mismatch between 2 of them.

the /usr/lib/libcurl.so wants libcom_err.so.3 but something else wants
an older version of libcom_err.so.  Use ldd on your icecast and the libs
it wants, one will need to be updated to remove the warning.

karl.

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From groups at mediacast1.com  Fri Nov 21 02:17:05 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 19:17:05 -0700
Subject: [icecast] icecast acceptable headers
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Message-ID: <014501c3afd5$8f115b00$6501a8c0@ripper>



Anyone know of the correct header that are sent to the icecast2 server?

example the ones sent to a shoutcast server are
icy-name:whatever station
icy-genre:Industrial, EBM, Electronic
icy-pub:1
icy-br:256
icy-url:http://www.mediacast1.com
icy-reset:1

just need to know what the equivelant is for icecast2.

<p>Dave St John
Mediacast1 Administration

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From msmith at xiph.org  Fri Nov 21 02:51:02 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 13:51:02 +1100
Subject: [icecast] icecast acceptable headers
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On Friday 21 November 2003 13:17, Dave St John wrote:
> Anyone know of the correct header that are sent to the icecast2 server?
>
> example the ones sent to a shoutcast server are
> icy-name:whatever station
> icy-genre:Industrial, EBM, Electronic
> icy-pub:1
> icy-br:256
> icy-url:http://www.mediacast1.com
> icy-reset:1
>
> just need to know what the equivelant is for icecast2.

The same. ice-* or icy-* headers from the source are forwarded as-is to the 
listening clients, with the exception of the password header, where present.

This means that if the client understands the shoutcast ones, and you use the 
shoutcast ones, it'll work as-is.

Mike

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From groups at mediacast1.com  Fri Nov 21 03:33:41 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:33:41 -0700
Subject: [icecast] icecast acceptable headers
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this is what i have so far that works, well sorda
------------------------
Content-type:audio/mpeg
ice-mount:/crap
ice-name:[L A T E X - T V] - LIVE!!
ice-genre:Industrial, EBM, Electronic
ice-public:0
ice-bitrate:280
ice-url:http://www.latexradio.com
ice-description:boooo
ice-audio-info:bitrate = 280, 152kbps video, 128kbps audio

<p>content type works
cant figure out the mount or how to set that properly, it just defaults to /
genre, url, description dont work either.

As you can see im testing the nsvcap tool to see if i can connect to the
icecast2 server, on demand works fine if your video file is encoded
correctly
http://mediacastone.com:8006/video-demo/sensation_2002_white_edition_djs_version.nsv
i know im probably pissing in the wind but what the heck, boredom brews
curiosity :)
any direction would be appreaciated.

<p><p><p><p><p><p>Dave St John
Mediacast1 Administration
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Subject: Re: [icecast] icecast acceptable headers

<p>> On Friday 21 November 2003 13:17, Dave St John wrote:
> > Anyone know of the correct header that are sent to the icecast2 server?
> >
> > example the ones sent to a shoutcast server are
> > icy-name:whatever station
> > icy-genre:Industrial, EBM, Electronic
> > icy-pub:1
> > icy-br:256
> > icy-url:http://www.mediacast1.com
> > icy-reset:1
> >
> > just need to know what the equivelant is for icecast2.
>
> The same. ice-* or icy-* headers from the source are forwarded as-is to
the
> listening clients, with the exception of the password header, where
present.
>
> This means that if the client understands the shoutcast ones, and you use
the
> shoutcast ones, it'll work as-is.
>
> Mike
>
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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Fri Nov 21 03:47:11 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 21:47:11 -0600
Subject: [icecast] icecast acceptable headers
In-Reply-To: <018901c3afe0$42bfb160$6501a8c0@ripper>
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the problem is probably that nsvcap most likely tries to attach using the 
"shoutcast source" protocol, which is some strange variation of HTTP (but 
definitely not HTTP).... It's strange-ness and non-HTTP-ness is the reason 
why icecast doesn't support connecting the Shoutcast DSP to it.  So I don't 
think any magical combination of headers will get live NSV 
working...although if we ever build in Shoutcast strange-non-HTTP-ness into 
icecast, it should work no problemo...The problem, to support connecting 
the SHoutcast DSP (and probably NSVcap) we have to majorly hack icecast to 
support this "custom" protocol, which we really don't like doing :)

oddsock
At 08:33 PM 11/20/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>this is what i have so far that works, well sorda
>------------------------
>Content-type:audio/mpeg
>ice-mount:/crap
>ice-name:[L A T E X - T V] - LIVE!!
>ice-genre:Industrial, EBM, Electronic
>ice-public:0
>ice-bitrate:280
>ice-url:http://www.latexradio.com
>ice-description:boooo
>ice-audio-info:bitrate = 280, 152kbps video, 128kbps audio
>
>
>content type works
>cant figure out the mount or how to set that properly, it just defaults to /
>genre, url, description dont work either.
>
>As you can see im testing the nsvcap tool to see if i can connect to the
>icecast2 server, on demand works fine if your video file is encoded
>correctly
>http://mediacastone.com:8006/video-demo/sensation_2002_white_edition_djs_version.nsv
>i know im probably pissing in the wind but what the heck, boredom brews
>curiosity :)
>any direction would be appreaciated.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Dave St John
>Mediacast1 Administration
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>From: "Michael Smith" <msmith at xiph.org>
>To: <icecast at xiph.org>
>Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:51 PM
>Subject: Re: [icecast] icecast acceptable headers
>
>
> > On Friday 21 November 2003 13:17, Dave St John wrote:
> > > Anyone know of the correct header that are sent to the icecast2 server?
> > >
> > > example the ones sent to a shoutcast server are
> > > icy-name:whatever station
> > > icy-genre:Industrial, EBM, Electronic
> > > icy-pub:1
> > > icy-br:256
> > > icy-url:http://www.mediacast1.com
> > > icy-reset:1
> > >
> > > just need to know what the equivelant is for icecast2.
> >
> > The same. ice-* or icy-* headers from the source are forwarded as-is to
>the
> > listening clients, with the exception of the password header, where
>present.
> >
> > This means that if the client understands the shoutcast ones, and you use
>the
> > shoutcast ones, it'll work as-is.
> >
> > Mike
> >
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From groups at mediacast1.com  Fri Nov 21 03:56:42 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Thu, 20 Nov 2003 20:56:42 -0700
Subject: [icecast] icecast acceptable headers
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20031120214311.02f88770@www.oddsock.org>
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I have successfully connected to the icecast2 server using nsvcap
      Statistic Value
      audio_info bitrate = 280;152kbps video;128kbps audio;samplerate =
44100;channels = 2
      bitrate  280
      channels  2
      listeners 0
      public 0
      samplerate  44100
      type MP3 audio

<p><p><p>of course i try listening with winamp and get HTTP 200 OK but nothing plays,
what i think may be a problem is how you send the mountpoint, as i cant get
that one figured out,
technicly the audio should work since nsvcap uses standard lame mp3
encoding, if i can figure out how to send the mount point correctly, any
ideas?

<p><p>Dave St John
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From: "oddsock" <oddsock at oddsock.org>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [icecast] icecast acceptable headers

<p>> the problem is probably that nsvcap most likely tries to attach using the
> "shoutcast source" protocol, which is some strange variation of HTTP (but
> definitely not HTTP).... It's strange-ness and non-HTTP-ness is the reason
> why icecast doesn't support connecting the Shoutcast DSP to it.  So I
don't
> think any magical combination of headers will get live NSV
> working...although if we ever build in Shoutcast strange-non-HTTP-ness
into
> icecast, it should work no problemo...The problem, to support connecting
> the SHoutcast DSP (and probably NSVcap) we have to majorly hack icecast to
> support this "custom" protocol, which we really don't like doing :)
>
> oddsock
> At 08:33 PM 11/20/2003 -0700, you wrote:
> >this is what i have so far that works, well sorda
> >------------------------
> >Content-type:audio/mpeg
> >ice-mount:/crap
> >ice-name:[L A T E X - T V] - LIVE!!
> >ice-genre:Industrial, EBM, Electronic
> >ice-public:0
> >ice-bitrate:280
> >ice-url:http://www.latexradio.com
> >ice-description:boooo
> >ice-audio-info:bitrate = 280, 152kbps video, 128kbps audio
> >
> >
> >content type works
> >cant figure out the mount or how to set that properly, it just defaults
to /
> >genre, url, description dont work either.
> >
> >As you can see im testing the nsvcap tool to see if i can connect to the
> >icecast2 server, on demand works fine if your video file is encoded
> >correctly
>
>http://mediacastone.com:8006/video-demo/sensation_2002_white_edition_djs_ve
rsion.nsv
> >i know im probably pissing in the wind but what the heck, boredom brews
> >curiosity :)
> >any direction would be appreaciated.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >Dave St John
> >Mediacast1 Administration
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Michael Smith" <msmith at xiph.org>
> >To: <icecast at xiph.org>
> >Sent: Thursday, November 20, 2003 7:51 PM
> >Subject: Re: [icecast] icecast acceptable headers
> >
> >
> > > On Friday 21 November 2003 13:17, Dave St John wrote:
> > > > Anyone know of the correct header that are sent to the icecast2
server?
> > > >
> > > > example the ones sent to a shoutcast server are
> > > > icy-name:whatever station
> > > > icy-genre:Industrial, EBM, Electronic
> > > > icy-pub:1
> > > > icy-br:256
> > > > icy-url:http://www.mediacast1.com
> > > > icy-reset:1
> > > >
> > > > just need to know what the equivelant is for icecast2.
> > >
> > > The same. ice-* or icy-* headers from the source are forwarded as-is
to
> >the
> > > listening clients, with the exception of the password header, where
> >present.
> > >
> > > This means that if the client understands the shoutcast ones, and you
use
> >the
> > > shoutcast ones, it'll work as-is.
> > >
> > > Mike
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From lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at  Fri Nov 21 13:02:29 2003
From: lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at (Lukas Österreicher)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:02:29 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Ogg Streams
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Hello

I've been playing around with Icecast, Oddcast DSP v2 and streamTranscoder,
trying to get multiple streams with different bitrates in ogg format running.

The source I am streaming is from Winamp 2.80 Oddcast DSP v2 serving
to a linux compilation (got it from CVS just yesterday) of Icecast 2.

I also compiled streamTranscoder 1.1 and after much trial got a
not really stable second stream running. streamTranscoder tends to
hickup the sound and crash however, and it does not seem possible
to run more then one instance (got broken pipe then).

Can you tell me any alternative software that provides this functionality?

I read about Ices2, darkice and liveice but these dont seem to be able
to take an (ogg-) stream for datainput.

Also, if you were to set up multiple icecast servers, how would you do that?

Thanx,
Lukas

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From iceuse at kezako.net  Fri Nov 21 13:46:51 2003
From: iceuse at kezako.net (iceuse at kezako.net)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:46:51 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast log analysis : Webalizer 2.10 is ready
Message-ID: <E1ANBcZ-0000iy-00@Zantos>



Hello,
I added new features to Webalizer 2.01 for streaming log analysis.
You can find the new Webalizer version 2.10 here :
http://webalizer.kezako.net

Please note that your configuration file needs to be changed (you have to add a few lines).

The website also shows an example of the result produced.

Questions, remarks, should be send to iceuse at kezako.net
Regards,
Chris
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From karl at xiph.org  Fri Nov 21 14:20:58 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 21 Nov 2003 14:20:58 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Ogg Streams
In-Reply-To: <XVNMXTN1XMLVEDWUMHUS63YUWHGTQ.3fbe0ce5@lukas>
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On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 13:02, Lukas ??sterreicher wrote:
> Hello
> 
> I've been playing around with Icecast, Oddcast DSP v2 and streamTranscoder,
> trying to get multiple streams with different bitrates in ogg format running.
> 
> The source I am streaming is from Winamp 2.80 Oddcast DSP v2 serving
> to a linux compilation (got it from CVS just yesterday) of Icecast 2.
> 
> I also compiled streamTranscoder 1.1 and after much trial got a
> not really stable second stream running. streamTranscoder tends to
> hickup the sound and crash however, and it does not seem possible
> to run more then one instance (got broken pipe then).
> 
> Can you tell me any alternative software that provides this functionality?
> 
> I read about Ices2, darkice and liveice but these dont seem to be able
> to take an (ogg-) stream for datainput.

ices2 will encode/reencode/relay to more than one server.

> Also, if you were to set up multiple icecast servers, how would you do that?

etting up different icecast server is easy, the question is are you
wanting a relay situation, where a slave icecast takes one of more
streams from a master icecast or are you wanting ices2 (or similar) to
send the stream to many icecast servers.

karl.

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From valankar at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov 21 14:57:57 2003
From: valankar at bellsouth.net (Viraj Alankar)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 09:57:57 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Windows ogg stream player?
Message-ID: <20031121145757.GA23258@bigfoot.com>



Is there a good Ogg stream player for Windows? I can't seem to get latest
Winamp or zInf working from an Icecast server.

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From remco at rc6.org  Fri Nov 21 15:24:27 2003
From: remco at rc6.org (Remco B. Brink)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:24:27 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Windows ogg stream player?
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<quote who="Viraj Alankar">

> Is there a good Ogg stream player for Windows? I can't seem to get latest
> Winamp or zInf working from an Icecast server.

Works like a charm here. What version of Winamp are you using?

-rbb


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From lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at  Fri Nov 21 15:34:27 2003
From: lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at (Lukas Österreicher)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 16:34:27 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Ogg Streams
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>ices2 will encode/reencode/relay to more than one server.
I will look into ices2.
Any url that describes features and setup well?

>> Also, if you were to set up multiple icecast servers, how would you do that?

>setting up different icecast server is easy, the question is are you
>wanting a relay situation, where a slave icecast takes one of more
>streams from a master icecast or are you wanting ices2 (or similar) to
>send the stream to many icecast servers.

I did not know it is possible to make master and slave icecast.
How to do that? Is there an url describing how?
Ices2 might be an option too, it all depends on which option
provides more stable and better quality streams (keeping number
of reencodes at a minimum, thus).

I imagine this setup:
The following Systems on my own shdsl line (just 768kbit/s though):
- One Windows Box where the original stream comes from.
- One Linux Box Hosting Icecast 2 and Ices2 where Ices2 recieves
  the ogg stream from the Windows box, makes 2 or 3 streams
  with different bitrates out of it and sends it to the Icecast 2 server
  on the same box.

- Optionally a different box somewhere on the internet to which either
  just the highest bitrate stream or all streams are sent to in case
  my bandwidth on my own line is not enougth.

Kindly,
Lukas

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From valankar at bellsouth.net  Fri Nov 21 16:00:13 2003
From: valankar at bellsouth.net (Viraj Alankar)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 11:00:13 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Windows ogg stream player?
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On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 04:24:27PM +0100, Remco B. Brink wrote:
> <quote who="Viraj Alankar">
> 
> > Is there a good Ogg stream player for Windows? I can't seem to get latest
> > Winamp or zInf working from an Icecast server.
> 
> Works like a charm here. What version of Winamp are you using?

I'm using v3.0d. For example when I try to play the following URL:

http://ogg.smgradio.com/lq96.ogg

I just get prebuffering over and over. Does that work for you?

Viraj.
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From boink at tetter.xs4all.nl  Fri Nov 21 18:22:44 2003
From: boink at tetter.xs4all.nl (boink)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 19:22:44 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Windows ogg stream player? <= don't use Winamp 3
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Message-ID: <20031121182244.GA18196@tetter.xs4all.nl>



don't use Winamp 3. it doesn't work with ogg. Winamp 2.9x does work with
ogg streams and files

http://classic.winamp.com/

or use foobar2000, which works very well with ogg streams and files.

b.

<p>On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 11:00:13AM -0500, Viraj Alankar wrote:
> On Fri, Nov 21, 2003 at 04:24:27PM +0100, Remco B. Brink wrote:
> > <quote who="Viraj Alankar">
> > 
> > > Is there a good Ogg stream player for Windows? I can't seem to get latest
> > > Winamp or zInf working from an Icecast server.
> > 
> > Works like a charm here. What version of Winamp are you using?
> 
> I'm using v3.0d. For example when I try to play the following URL:
> 
> http://ogg.smgradio.com/lq96.ogg
> 
> I just get prebuffering over and over. Does that work for you?
> 
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From gshang at pacific.net.au  Fri Nov 21 16:15:18 2003
From: gshang at pacific.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 02:15:18 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Windows ogg stream player?
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Viraj Alankar wrote:

> Is there a good Ogg stream player for Windows? I can't seem to get latest
> Winamp or zInf working from an Icecast server.

When you say "latest Winamp", which version do you mean?  Winamp 3 is
discontinued, and anyway it's not the latest (late 2.9x versions came out
more recently).  And I understand there is a beta of Winamp 5 out now.

Geoff.

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From lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at  Fri Nov 21 16:17:07 2003
From: lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at (Lukas Österreicher)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 17:17:07 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Ogg Streams
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>ices2 will encode/reencode/relay to more than one server.

I searched for documentation about ices2 and found two,
one of them http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/docs/Unofficial%20Icecast%20HOWTO.pdf
where link to the other was incuded (which i found before though).

All what I saw was that it only supports encoding streams from
soundcard input or playlist, but not a stream (from Oddcast DSP).

You said however that it supports relaying.
Do you mean it takes an input stream (such as from an url like
http://someserver:8000/stream.ogg), reencodes it via specified
settings and sends it to icecast 2?

If so, can you tell how to confiture Ices 2 to do so?

Lukas

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From karl at xiph.org  Fri Nov 21 16:42:52 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 21 Nov 2003 16:42:52 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Ogg Streams
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On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 16:17, Lukas ??sterreicher wrote:
> >ices2 will encode/reencode/relay to more than one server.
> 
> I searched for documentation about ices2 and found two,
> one of them http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/docs/Unofficial%20Icecast%20HOWTO.pdf
> where link to the other was incuded (which i found before though).
> 
> All what I saw was that it only supports encoding streams from
> soundcard input or playlist, but not a stream (from Oddcast DSP).
> 
> You said however that it supports relaying.
> Do you mean it takes an input stream (such as from an url like
> http://someserver:8000/stream.ogg), reencodes it via specified
> settings and sends it to icecast 2?
> 
> If so, can you tell how to confiture Ices 2 to do so?

if you are getting the ogg data from a stream then you can just state a 
- in the playlist and it will read it from stdin.

curl ..  http://host:port/mountpoint.ogg | ices ices-playlist.xml

ideally the playlist should be more flexible and allow starting of
external programs but not just yet.

karl.

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From stauf at freshcheese.net  Fri Nov 21 21:34:39 2003
From: stauf at freshcheese.net (Mr. Stauf)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 14:34:39 -0700
Subject: [icecast] PHP + parsing # of listeners.
Message-ID: <20031121213439.GA6885@freshcheese.net>



Hello all,
I have a quick question I believed was already touched on earlier, but I cannot
find the thread/information in the archives, so I am going to ask away and
ask for your patience. :)

So I have my wonderful little PHP script, and my .pls files, and the relaying
and everything else perfect for my icecast2 setup.  But what I still need to
do is pull the # of listners for a mount point, and put it up on my main
page to show other listeners the number of listeners.

Now I seem to remember someone haveing some php scripts that did this sort of
thing, and I can't find those.  I relieve my best bet is to use some regular
expression magic and find /mountpointname.ogg,,,, read everything until the
next ,,'s in the status2.xsl.  Now, thats great, but my regular expression
skills are sub par, and I was wondering if there is another solution, so I
can create a more customized icecast2 stats page.

Btw, everyone thank you for all the great work.  And good job on the beta.
--Stauf
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From josephus at freemail.hu  Fri Nov 21 22:49:55 2003
From: josephus at freemail.hu (Josephus)
Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2003 23:49:55 +0100
Subject: [icecast] PHP + parsing # of listeners.
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i made a lite-version of status2.xsl
It only displays the listener nuumber and nothing else. For my main
webserver i use links --dump http://blabla:8000/file.xsl (u know php exec,
system, etc functions...)

Its kinda sux, but that was the easiest for me :P

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Subject: [icecast] PHP + parsing # of listeners.

<p>> Hello all,
> I have a quick question I believed was already touched on earlier, but I
cannot
> find the thread/information in the archives, so I am going to ask away and
> ask for your patience. :)
>
> So I have my wonderful little PHP script, and my .pls files, and the
relaying
> and everything else perfect for my icecast2 setup.  But what I still need
to
> do is pull the # of listners for a mount point, and put it up on my main
> page to show other listeners the number of listeners.
>
> Now I seem to remember someone haveing some php scripts that did this sort
of
> thing, and I can't find those.  I relieve my best bet is to use some
regular
> expression magic and find /mountpointname.ogg,,,, read everything until
the
> next ,,'s in the status2.xsl.  Now, thats great, but my regular expression
> skills are sub par, and I was wondering if there is another solution, so I
> can create a more customized icecast2 stats page.
>
> Btw, everyone thank you for all the great work.  And good job on the beta.
> --Stauf
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From lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at  Fri Nov 21 23:28:20 2003
From: lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at (Lukas Österreicher)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 00:28:20 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Ogg Streams
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>if you are getting the ogg data from a stream then you can just state a 
>- in the playlist and it will read it from stdin.
>
>curl ..  http://host:port/mountpoint.ogg | ices ices-playlist.xml
>
>ideally the playlist should be more flexible and allow starting of
>external programs but not just yet.
>
>karl.

Thank you! That got it working.
Partly.

I managed to get two streams running (thus with two encode sections)
on a static playlist, but when I have the stream as input it will only
have the first of the two active, the second does not work.
Why?

Also, I saw a different configuration with mutiple streams
that worked with the run_ices command.
What's up with this? What's the difference between this and
the two encode sections in the configuration file?

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From karl at xiph.org  Fri Nov 21 23:41:27 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 21 Nov 2003 23:41:27 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Ogg Streams
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On Fri, 2003-11-21 at 23:28, Lukas ??sterreicher wrote:
> >if you are getting the ogg data from a stream then you can just state a 
> >- in the playlist and it will read it from stdin.
> >
> >curl ..  http://host:port/mountpoint.ogg | ices ices-playlist.xml
> >
> >ideally the playlist should be more flexible and allow starting of
> >external programs but not just yet.
> >
> >karl.
> 
> Thank you! That got it working.
> Partly.
> 
> I managed to get two streams running (thus with two encode sections)
> on a static playlist, but when I have the stream as input it will only
> have the first of the two active, the second does not work.
> Why?

it supposed to, check the log file for details but there is no reason
for it not to work with 2 instances.

> Also, I saw a different configuration with mutiple streams
> that worked with the run_ices command.
> What's up with this? What's the difference between this and
> the two encode sections in the configuration file?

run_ices I believe is an old script that is missing some things, the xml
file is a much better approach.

Note as well, that you should have 2 instances each of which has the
icecast connection details and an encode section.

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From lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at  Sat Nov 22 00:43:32 2003
From: lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at (Lukas Österreicher)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 01:43:32 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Ogg Streams
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>it supposed to, check the log file for details but there is no reason
>for it not to work with 2 instances.
>
>Note as well, that you should have 2 instances each of which has the
>icecast connection details and an encode section.
>

I don't quite understand. You always talk about two instances. Do you really mean
two instances of ices2 called seperately? Do I have to make to config files, too?

In this case, what about the possibility of two <encode> sections in the config file?

This is what I currently have in my config file:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<ices>

        <background>0</background>
        <logpath>/data/audio/logging</logpath>
        <logfile>ices.log</logfile>
        <loglevel>3</loglevel>
        <consolelog>0</consolelog>
        <stream>
                <metadata>
                        <name>Example stream name</name>
                        <genre>Example genre</genre>
                        <description>Yarf - the otherkin radio (low bitrate)</description>
                </metadata>
                <input>
                        <module>playlist</module>
                        <param name="type">basic</param>
                        <param name="file">playlist.txt</param>
                        <param name="random">0</param>
                        <param name="once">0</param>
                </input>
                <instance>
                        <hostname>localhost</hostname>
                        <port>8000</port>
                        <password>#classified#</password>
                        <mount>/low.ogg</mount>

                        <reconnectdelay>1</reconnectdelay>
                        <reconnectattempts>-1</reconnectattempts> 

                        <maxqueuelength>80</maxqueuelength>

                        <encode>  
                                <samplerate>22050</samplerate>
                                <channels>1</channels>
                                <quality>-1</quality>
                        </encode>
                </instance>

                <instance>
                        <hostname>localhost</hostname>
                        <port>8000</port>
                        <password>#classified#</password>
                        <mount>/medium.ogg</mount>

                        <reconnectdelay>1</reconnectdelay>
                        <reconnectattempts>-1</reconnectattempts> 

                        <maxqueuelength>80</maxqueuelength>

                        <encode>  
                                <samplerate>44100</samplerate>
                                <channels>1</channels>
                                <quality>-1</quality>
                        </encode>
                </instance>

        </stream>
</ices>

And this is what I got in the logfile:

[2003-11-22  01:30:25] INFO ices-core/main ices started...
[2003-11-22  01:30:25] INFO stream/ices_instance_stream Connected to server: localhost:8000/low.ogg
[2003-11-22  01:30:25] EROR stream/ices_instance_stream Failed initial connect to localhost:8000 (Login failed: Success)
[2003-11-22  01:30:25] INFO signals/signal_usr1_handler Metadata update requested
[2003-11-22  01:30:25] INFO playlist-basic/playlist_basic_get_next_filename Loading playlist from file "playlist.txt"
[2003-11-22  01:30:25] INFO playlist-builtin/playlist_read Currently playing from stdin
[2003-11-22  01:30:26] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder initialising in VBR mode: 1 channel(s), 22050 Hz, quality -1.000000
[2003-11-22  01:30:26] INFO audio/resample_initialise Initialised resampler for 1 channels, from 44100 Hz to 22050 Hz
[2003-11-22  01:30:26] INFO audio/downmix_initialise Enabling stereo->mono downmixing

Maybe I just have the config file wrong.
Could you tell me how to fix it?
(Is there anywhere a DTD for this xml?)

Lukas

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From karl at xiph.org  Sat Nov 22 02:38:32 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 22 Nov 2003 02:38:32 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Ogg Streams
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On Sat, 2003-11-22 at 00:43, Lukas ??sterreicher wrote:
> >it supposed to, check the log file for details but there is no reason
> >for it not to work with 2 instances.
> >
> >Note as well, that you should have 2 instances each of which has the
> >icecast connection details and an encode section.
> >
> 
> I don't quite understand. You always talk about two instances. Do you really mean
> two instances of ices2 called seperately? Do I have to make to config files, too?

no, I meant 2 <instance> sections, like you have below

> In this case, what about the possibility of two <encode> sections in the config file?
> 
> This is what I currently have in my config file:
> 
> 		<instance>
> 			<hostname>localhost</hostname>
> 			<port>8000</port>
> 			<password>#classified#</password>
> 			<mount>/low.ogg</mount>
> 
> 			<reconnectdelay>1</reconnectdelay>
> 			<reconnectattempts>-1</reconnectattempts> 
> 
> 			<maxqueuelength>80</maxqueuelength>
> 
> 			<encode>  
> 				<samplerate>22050</samplerate>
> 				<channels>1</channels>
> 				<quality>-1</quality>
> 			</encode>
> 		</instance>
> 
> 		<instance>
> 			<hostname>localhost</hostname>
> 			<port>8000</port>
> 			<password>#classified#</password>
> 			<mount>/medium.ogg</mount>
> 
> 			<reconnectdelay>1</reconnectdelay>
> 			<reconnectattempts>-1</reconnectattempts> 
> 
> 			<maxqueuelength>80</maxqueuelength>
> 
> 			<encode>  
> 				<samplerate>44100</samplerate>
> 				<channels>1</channels>
> 				<quality>-1</quality>
> 			</encode>
> 		</instance>

The problem here is what's provided as input, if it's 44100hz/2 channel
then you need use <resample> and <downmix> in the first instance and
just <downmix> for the second, match the input with the output.

One assumption with cvs ices2 currently is that the input stays the
same, my modified set does allow for changes, they just haven't been
merged as it's not that common.

> And this is what I got in the logfile:
> 
> [2003-11-22  01:30:25] INFO ices-core/main ices started...
> [2003-11-22  01:30:25] INFO stream/ices_instance_stream Connected to server: localhost:8000/low.ogg
> [2003-11-22  01:30:25] EROR stream/ices_instance_stream Failed initial connect to localhost:8000 (Login failed: Success)

Thats saying that the connection to icecast couldn't even be made
(ignore the success message), you'll have to check against the icecast
log but it could be password mismatch or max source limit.

> [2003-11-22  01:30:25] INFO signals/signal_usr1_handler Metadata update requested
> [2003-11-22  01:30:25] INFO playlist-basic/playlist_basic_get_next_filename Loading playlist from file "playlist.txt"
> [2003-11-22  01:30:25] INFO playlist-builtin/playlist_read Currently playing from stdin

it's seen the - in the playlist.

> [2003-11-22  01:30:26] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder initialising in VBR mode: 1 channel(s), 22050 Hz, quality -1.000000
> [2003-11-22  01:30:26] INFO audio/resample_initialise Initialised resampler for 1 channels, from 44100 Hz to 22050 Hz
> [2003-11-22  01:30:26] INFO audio/downmix_initialise Enabling stereo->mono downmixing

these would indicate that <resample> and <downmix> tags have been added.

> Maybe I just have the config file wrong.
> Could you tell me how to fix it?

I can check this config against my setup to confirm but on initial
glance your config is trying to send out 2 streams at different
samplerates from a single source without resampling.  Check also why the
icecast connection failed.

karl.

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From kerry.cox at ksl.com  Sat Nov 22 04:59:37 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 21 Nov 2003 21:59:37 -0700
Subject: [icecast] using the latest icecast and ices to stream both ogg and mp3
Message-ID: <1069477177.30132.27.camel@dagwood>



I've gotten a request from another broadcasting partner to set up yet
another streaming audio server. They would like to stream in both ogg
and mp3 formats from off a single icecast machine. I have been searching
through the archives and I have seen this mentioned as being possible,
but no real configurations. 
I would of course place LAME on the box and use that for streaming just
as I would for icecast1. 
Any suggestions? Or do I have to install both icecast1 and icecast2 on
the same server and have them both running, but broadcasting on
different ports?
Any suggestions and config files would be appreciated.
KJ

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From karl at xiph.org  Sat Nov 22 12:28:07 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 22 Nov 2003 12:28:07 +0000
Subject: [icecast] using the latest icecast and ices to stream both ogg and mp3
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On Sat, 2003-11-22 at 04:59, Kerry Cox wrote:
> I've gotten a request from another broadcasting partner to set up yet
> another streaming audio server. They would like to stream in both ogg
> and mp3 formats from off a single icecast machine. I have been searching
> through the archives and I have seen this mentioned as being possible,
> but no real configurations. 
> I would of course place LAME on the box and use that for streaming just
> as I would for icecast1. 
> Any suggestions? Or do I have to install both icecast1 and icecast2 on
> the same server and have them both running, but broadcasting on
> different ports?
> Any suggestions and config files would be appreciated.

mp3 and ogg can be streamed via icecast, and because no encoding goes on
in icecast the mountpoints and options for those mountpoints can be
stated generically, so besides the mountpoint ending in .ogg (really
because of listening clients) there's no difference. at the icecast
level.

ices2 will produced ogg streams and ices 0.3 will produce mp3, but as
for the particular configuration, that will depend on what your
requirements are, eg live or playlist

karl.

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From kerry.cox at ksl.com  Sat Nov 22 17:50:12 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 22 Nov 2003 10:50:12 -0700
Subject: [icecast] using the latest icecast and ices to stream both ogg and mp3
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So basically, I download and install ices 0.3, fire it up as well and
then using the currently running icecast server, just set a new
mountpoint. Instead of /ksl.ogg I would make a /ksl.mp3 mountpoint. This
would be configured in the configuration file included with ices 0.3?
I am only doing live streaming, feeding a raw audio feed into the box,
and then encoding it on the fly.
Thanks much.
KJ

<p>On Sat, 2003-11-22 at 05:28, Karl Heyes wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-11-22 at 04:59, Kerry Cox wrote:
> > I've gotten a request from another broadcasting partner to set up yet
> > another streaming audio server. They would like to stream in both ogg
> > and mp3 formats from off a single icecast machine. I have been searching
> > through the archives and I have seen this mentioned as being possible,
> > but no real configurations. 
> > I would of course place LAME on the box and use that for streaming just
> > as I would for icecast1. 
> > Any suggestions? Or do I have to install both icecast1 and icecast2 on
> > the same server and have them both running, but broadcasting on
> > different ports?
> > Any suggestions and config files would be appreciated.
> 
> mp3 and ogg can be streamed via icecast, and because no encoding goes on
> in icecast the mountpoints and options for those mountpoints can be
> stated generically, so besides the mountpoint ending in .ogg (really
> because of listening clients) there's no difference. at the icecast
> level.
> 
> ices2 will produced ogg streams and ices 0.3 will produce mp3, but as
> for the particular configuration, that will depend on what your
> requirements are, eg live or playlist
> 
> karl.
> 
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From karl at xiph.org  Sat Nov 22 17:05:50 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 22 Nov 2003 17:05:50 +0000
Subject: [icecast] using the latest icecast and ices to stream both ogg and mp3
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On Sat, 2003-11-22 at 17:50, Kerry Cox wrote:
> So basically, I download and install ices 0.3, fire it up as well and
> then using the currently running icecast server, just set a new
> mountpoint. Instead of /ksl.ogg I would make a /ksl.mp3 mountpoint. This
> would be configured in the configuration file included with ices 0.3?
> I am only doing live streaming, feeding a raw audio feed into the box,
> and then encoding it on the fly.
> Thanks much.

ices 0.3 doesn't do live streaming, IIRC darkice does

karl.

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From brendan at xiph.org  Sat Nov 22 17:05:55 2003
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 12:05:55 -0500
Subject: [icecast] using the latest icecast and ices to stream both ogg and mp3
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On Saturday, 22 November 2003 at 10:50, Kerry Cox wrote:
> So basically, I download and install ices 0.3, fire it up as well and
> then using the currently running icecast server, just set a new
> mountpoint. Instead of /ksl.ogg I would make a /ksl.mp3 mountpoint. This
> would be configured in the configuration file included with ices 0.3?
> I am only doing live streaming, feeding a raw audio feed into the box,
> and then encoding it on the fly.
> Thanks much.
> KJ

I'm afraid ices 0.x doesn't encode live streaming. You would have to
pipe the audio into an encoder by hand, and feed stdin to ices.

You might consider http://darkice.sourceforge.net/ as an
alternative. I think it can do MP3 and Ogg from one process, though
I've never used it myself.
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From boink at tetter.xs4all.nl  Sat Nov 22 22:16:57 2003
From: boink at tetter.xs4all.nl (boink)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:16:57 +0100
Subject: [icecast] using the latest icecast and ices to stream both ogg and mp3
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darkice is an execellent bit of software, very well written. and the
author of the darkice software, akos, is very active on the darkice ML.

http://yp.tilos.hu:9000/tilos_high.ogg <= for a darkice stream. 

b.

On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 12:05:55PM -0500, Brendan Cully wrote:
> On Saturday, 22 November 2003 at 10:50, Kerry Cox wrote:
> > So basically, I download and install ices 0.3, fire it up as well and
> > then using the currently running icecast server, just set a new
> > mountpoint. Instead of /ksl.ogg I would make a /ksl.mp3 mountpoint. This
> > would be configured in the configuration file included with ices 0.3?
> > I am only doing live streaming, feeding a raw audio feed into the box,
> > and then encoding it on the fly.
> > Thanks much.
> > KJ
> 
> I'm afraid ices 0.x doesn't encode live streaming. You would have to
> pipe the audio into an encoder by hand, and feed stdin to ices.
> 
> You might consider http://darkice.sourceforge.net/ as an
> alternative. I think it can do MP3 and Ogg from one process, though
> I've never used it myself.
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From lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at  Sat Nov 22 22:21:19 2003
From: lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at (Lukas Österreicher)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 23:21:19 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Ogg Streams
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>> [2003-11-22  01:30:25] INFO ices-core/main ices started...
>> [2003-11-22  01:30:25] INFO stream/ices_instance_stream Connected to server: localhost:8000/low.ogg
>> [2003-11-22  01:30:25] EROR stream/ices_instance_stream Failed initial connect to localhost:8000 (Login failed: Success)
>
>Thats saying that the connection to icecast couldn't even be made
>(ignore the success message), you'll have to check against the icecast
>log but it could be password mismatch or max source limit.

What a dumb error.
I set the maximum number of sources to 2 and tried to give it three.
After updating the configuration file it worked.

Do you have an idea if there is a good way to compensate for dropped streams?
If my original source stream drops there is an error and ices will stop (and configuring
looping wont help here). One way is to loop the invoking of ices so it will try over
and over, but then the stream is interrupted towards icecast.
Is there a way to configure curl to try again and make it seem as if the
stream never dropped?

Also, can you explain how icecast 2 stream relays are set up and work?

I've also heared there's a way to configure icecast to stream some standard
file if it gets no stream to broadcast. Is this correct? If so, how to do that?

You have been tranmendous help already,
thank you very much!

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Sat Nov 22 22:25:51 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:25:51 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Ogg Streams
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>
>Also, can you explain how icecast 2 stream relays are set up and work?
>
>I've also heared there's a way to configure icecast to stream some standard
>file if it gets no stream to broadcast. Is this correct? If so, how to do 
>that?
you'll find the answers to these (and many more) questions in the icecast2 
documentation, which is available now on-line at 
http://www.icecast.org/documentation.html

<p>oddsock

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From jb2003 at pc9.org  Sat Nov 22 22:22:16 2003
From: jb2003 at pc9.org (Jem Berkes)
Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 16:22:16 -0600
Subject: [icecast] icecast 2.0 beta1
Message-ID: <jbm.20031122162216.233f2c9b@alkaid.pc9>



At my university, our student lounge has been running an icecast server for a 
while to serve music streams to our workstations on campus. Works 
beautifully, and it is very stable (up to weeks).

A note about beta1. src/global.h still says:
#define ICECAST_VERSION_STRING "Icecast 2.0-alpha2/cvs"

The * only * problem I've had with 2.0alpha2, which I'm not yet sure has been 
fixed in beta1, is despite having sufficient resources I had TCP streams 
dying. This seemed to happen when a client fell behind the stream rate for an 
instant, but then icecast wouldn't adjust its rate and the client would 
eventually get swamped (TCP buffer filling up).

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From kerry.cox at ksl.com  Sun Nov 23 00:35:48 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 22 Nov 2003 17:35:48 -0700
Subject: [icecast] (was, streaming both ogg and mp3) now, sending out 3 streams
In-Reply-To: <20031122221656.GA27286@tetter.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <1069547747.4200.32.camel@dagwood>



Okay, I get the picture. Darkice is the way to go. I downloaded it and
installed it and will be testing it using the latest icecast 2.0 beta.
Just give me a few days to get it running and become used to it.

<new question>

Now, for another question. It's just a config issue really.
I successfully have two streams running, one at high bandwidth or 96
kbps and the other low bandwidth at 32 kbps. It works great and  am
relaying it successfully to another server.
Now, I'd like to set up a third stream. This one at very low bandwidth.
Here is how my config "ices.stream.dual.xml" currently looks:

        <input>
            <module>oss</module>
            <param name="rate">41000</param>
            <param name="channels">2</param> <!-- number of channels -->
            <param name="device">/dev/dsp</param> <!-- audio device -->
            <param name="metadata">0</param>
            <param name="metadatafilename">live</param>
        </input>

        <instance>
            <hostname>xx.xxx.x.xxx</hostname>
            <port>8000</port>
            <password>secretpasswd</password>
            <mount>/highband.ogg</mount>
            <yp>0</yp>
            <reconnectdelay>2</reconnectdelay>
            <reconnectattempts>5</reconnectattempts>
            <maxqueuelength>80</maxqueuelength>

            <encode>
                <quality>2</quality>
                <nominal-bitrate>96000</nominal-bitrate>
                <samplerate>41000</samplerate>
                <channels>2</channels>
            </encode>
        </instance>

        <instance>
            <hostname>xx.xxx.x.xxx</hostname>
            <port>8000</port>
            <password>secretpasswd</password>
            <mount>/lowband.ogg</mount>
            <yp>0</yp>
            <reconnectdelay>2</reconnectdelay>
            <reconnectattempts>5</reconnectattempts>
            <maxqueuelength>80</maxqueuelength>

            <downmix>1</downmix>

            <resample>
                <in-rate>41000</in-rate>
                <out-rate>22050</out-rate>
            </resample>

            <encode>
                <nominal-bitrate>32000</nominal-bitrate>
                <samplerate>22050</samplerate>
                <channels>1</channels>
                <quality>2</quality>
            </encode>
        </instance>

Now I tried to add a third stream by adding the following <instance> to
the above config:

       <instance>
            <hostname>xx.xxx.x.xxx</hostname>
            <port>8000</port>
            <password>secretpasswd</password>
            <mount>/smallband.ogg</mount>
            <yp>0</yp>
            <reconnectdelay>2</reconnectdelay>
            <reconnectattempts>5</reconnectattempts>
            <maxqueuelength>80</maxqueuelength>

            <downmix>1</downmix>

            <resample>
                <in-rate>22050</in-rate>
                <out-rate>11000</out-rate>
            </resample>

            <encode>
                <nominal-bitrate>16000</nominal-bitrate>
                <samplerate>11000</samplerate>
                <channels>1</channels>
                <quality>-1</quality>
            </encode>
        </instance>

Any ideas what I am doing wrong? Thanks.
KJ

<p><p>On Sat, 2003-11-22 at 15:16, boink wrote:
> darkice is an execellent bit of software, very well written. and the
> author of the darkice software, akos, is very active on the darkice ML.
> 
> http://yp.tilos.hu:9000/tilos_high.ogg <= for a darkice stream. 
> 
> b.
> 
> On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 12:05:55PM -0500, Brendan Cully wrote:
> > On Saturday, 22 November 2003 at 10:50, Kerry Cox wrote:
> > > So basically, I download and install ices 0.3, fire it up as well and
> > > then using the currently running icecast server, just set a new
> > > mountpoint. Instead of /ksl.ogg I would make a /ksl.mp3 mountpoint. This
> > > would be configured in the configuration file included with ices 0.3?
> > > I am only doing live streaming, feeding a raw audio feed into the box,
> > > and then encoding it on the fly.
> > > Thanks much.
> > > KJ
> > 
> > I'm afraid ices 0.x doesn't encode live streaming. You would have to
> > pipe the audio into an encoder by hand, and feed stdin to ices.
> > 
> > You might consider http://darkice.sourceforge.net/ as an
> > alternative. I think it can do MP3 and Ogg from one process, though
> > I've never used it myself.
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From karl at xiph.org  Sun Nov 23 02:12:54 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 23 Nov 2003 02:12:54 +0000
Subject: [icecast] (was, streaming both ogg and mp3) now, sending out 3 streams
In-Reply-To: <1069547747.4200.32.camel@dagwood>
Message-ID: <1069553574.900.78.camel@bogus.hackers.club>



On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 00:35, Kerry Cox wrote:

> Now I tried to add a third stream by adding the following <instance> to
> the above config:
> 
>        <instance>
>             <hostname>xx.xxx.x.xxx</hostname>
>             <port>8000</port>
>             <password>secretpasswd</password>
>             <mount>/smallband.ogg</mount>
>             <yp>0</yp>
>             <reconnectdelay>2</reconnectdelay>
>             <reconnectattempts>5</reconnectattempts>
>             <maxqueuelength>80</maxqueuelength>
> 
>             <downmix>1</downmix>
> 
>             <resample>
>                 <in-rate>22050</in-rate>
>                 <out-rate>11000</out-rate>
>             </resample>
> 
>             <encode>
>                 <nominal-bitrate>16000</nominal-bitrate>
>                 <samplerate>11000</samplerate>
>                 <channels>1</channels>
>                 <quality>-1</quality>
>             </encode>
>         </instance>
> 
> Any ideas what I am doing wrong? Thanks.

<p>yeah, your resample in-rate is supposed to be 44100 not 22050

karl.

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From kerry.cox at ksl.com  Sun Nov 23 03:43:17 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 22 Nov 2003 20:43:17 -0700
Subject: [icecast] (was, streaming both ogg and mp3) now, sending out 3 streams
In-Reply-To: <1069553574.900.78.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <1069557359.4200.51.camel@dagwood>



<smacks self on head>
Duh, I had assumed it took the sample rate from the stream directly
before it and was not a standard rate. That's what you get for assuming.
Makes an *ass" of *u* and *me*.
I will fix that now. Thanks.
KJ

<p>On Sat, 2003-11-22 at 19:12, Karl Heyes wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 00:35, Kerry Cox wrote:
> 
> > Now I tried to add a third stream by adding the following <instance> to
> > the above config:
> > 
> >        <instance>
> >             <hostname>xx.xxx.x.xxx</hostname>
> >             <port>8000</port>
> >             <password>secretpasswd</password>
> >             <mount>/smallband.ogg</mount>
> >             <yp>0</yp>
> >             <reconnectdelay>2</reconnectdelay>
> >             <reconnectattempts>5</reconnectattempts>
> >             <maxqueuelength>80</maxqueuelength>
> > 
> >             <downmix>1</downmix>
> > 
> >             <resample>
> >                 <in-rate>22050</in-rate>
> >                 <out-rate>11000</out-rate>
> >             </resample>
> > 
> >             <encode>
> >                 <nominal-bitrate>16000</nominal-bitrate>
> >                 <samplerate>11000</samplerate>
> >                 <channels>1</channels>
> >                 <quality>-1</quality>
> >             </encode>
> >         </instance>
> > 
> > Any ideas what I am doing wrong? Thanks.
> 
> 
> yeah, your resample in-rate is supposed to be 44100 not 22050
> 
> karl.
> 
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From kerry.cox at ksl.com  Sun Nov 23 03:51:37 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 22 Nov 2003 20:51:37 -0700
Subject: [icecast] (was, streaming both ogg and mp3) now, sending out 3 streams
In-Reply-To: <1069553574.900.78.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <1069559497.4200.62.camel@dagwood>



Hmmm, I guess more is incorrect here than I thought. I changed the
resample in-rate to be 44100 like it should have have been.
But still no joy. Here is the error message as shown in the error.log
file. I'm looking things over and am not seeing my error.
It looks like the audio resample for this particular stream is good.

[root at icecast conf]# ices /usr/local/icecast2/conf/ices.stream.3.xml &
[2] 8214
[2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO ices-core/main ices started...
[2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO input-oss/oss_open_module Opened audio
device /dev/dsp at 2 channel(s), 41000 Hz
[2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder
initialising with bitrate management: 2 channels, 41000 Hz, minimum
bitrate -1, nominal 96000, maximum -1
[root at icecast conf]# [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO
audio/downmix_initialise Enabling stereo->mono downmixing
[2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO audio/downmix_initialise Enabling
stereo->mono downmixing
[2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO audio/resample_initialise Initialised
resampler for 1 channels, from 44100 Hz to 11000 Hz
[2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder
initialising with bitrate management: 1 channels, 11000 Hz, minimum
bitrate -1, nominal 16000, maximum -1
[2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO signals/signal_usr1_handler Metadata update
requested
[2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO audio/resample_initialise Initialised
resampler for 1 channels, from 41000 Hz to 22050 Hz
[2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder
initialising with bitrate management: 1 channels, 22050 Hz, minimum
bitrate -1, nominal 32000, maximum -1
[2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO stream/ices_instance_stream Connected to
server: 66.166.6.188:8000/hischannel.smallband.ogg
[2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO stream/ices_instance_stream Connected to
server: 66.166.6.188:8000/hischannel.highband.ogg
[2003-11-22  18:44:18] EROR stream/ices_instance_stream Failed initial
connect to 66.166.6.188:8000 (Login failed: Success)
[2003-11-22  18:44:18] DBUG encode/encode_clear Clearing encoder engine
[2003-11-22  18:44:19] DBUG input/input_loop An instance died, removing
it
[2003-11-22  18:44:19] DBUG input/input_flush_queue Input queue flush
requested

The "login failed: success" message is especially cryptic.
It loks like the smallband option which is the smallest now works, but
the mid-range or lowband option never initializes. Funky...
Am I taking variables from the first set and is it ignoring the
mid-range set and going directly on to the last?
Just looking for any suggestions or hints.
On a positive note, the dual streaming works great still. Just can't get
the smaller third stream working.
Thanks.
KJ

<p><p>On Sat, 2003-11-22 at 19:12, Karl Heyes wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 00:35, Kerry Cox wrote:
> 
> > Now I tried to add a third stream by adding the following <instance> to
> > the above config:
> > 
> >        <instance>
> >             <hostname>xx.xxx.x.xxx</hostname>
> >             <port>8000</port>
> >             <password>secretpasswd</password>
> >             <mount>/smallband.ogg</mount>
> >             <yp>0</yp>
> >             <reconnectdelay>2</reconnectdelay>
> >             <reconnectattempts>5</reconnectattempts>
> >             <maxqueuelength>80</maxqueuelength>
> > 
> >             <downmix>1</downmix>
> > 
> >             <resample>
> >                 <in-rate>22050</in-rate>
> >                 <out-rate>11000</out-rate>
> >             </resample>
> > 
> >             <encode>
> >                 <nominal-bitrate>16000</nominal-bitrate>
> >                 <samplerate>11000</samplerate>
> >                 <channels>1</channels>
> >                 <quality>-1</quality>
> >             </encode>
> >         </instance>
> > 
> > Any ideas what I am doing wrong? Thanks.
> 
> 
> yeah, your resample in-rate is supposed to be 44100 not 22050
> 
> karl.
> 
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From karl at xiph.org  Sun Nov 23 03:12:46 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 23 Nov 2003 03:12:46 +0000
Subject: [icecast] (was, streaming both ogg and mp3) now, sending out 3 streams
In-Reply-To: <1069557359.4200.51.camel@dagwood>
Message-ID: <1069557165.900.84.camel@bogus.hackers.club>



On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 03:43, Kerry Cox wrote:
> <smacks self on head>
> Duh, I had assumed it took the sample rate from the stream directly
> before it and was not a standard rate. That's what you get for assuming.
> Makes an *ass" of *u* and *me*.
> I will fix that now. Thanks.

Thats the sort of thing I've sorted in my mods, the samplerate is passed
with the audio so some run-time info can be supplied to the backend.

karl.

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From karl at xiph.org  Sun Nov 23 04:12:30 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 23 Nov 2003 04:12:30 +0000
Subject: [icecast] (was, streaming both ogg and mp3) now, sending out 3 streams
In-Reply-To: <1069559497.4200.62.camel@dagwood>
Message-ID: <1069560749.900.118.camel@bogus.hackers.club>



On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 03:51, Kerry Cox wrote:
> Hmmm, I guess more is incorrect here than I thought. I changed the
> resample in-rate to be 44100 like it should have have been.
> But still no joy. Here is the error message as shown in the error.log
> file. I'm looking things over and am not seeing my error.
> It looks like the audio resample for this particular stream is good.
> 
> [root at icecast conf]# ices /usr/local/icecast2/conf/ices.stream.3.xml &
> [2] 8214
> [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO ices-core/main ices started...
> [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO input-oss/oss_open_module Opened audio
> device /dev/dsp at 2 channel(s), 41000 Hz

I didn't spot this before, your card/driver likes a samplerate of
41000hz, but 44100 is probably what you want.

> [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder
> initialising with bitrate management: 2 channels, 41000 Hz, minimum
> bitrate -1, nominal 96000, maximum -1

I would suggest using the <quality> tags and not the <nominal-bitrate>
tags as the latter forces managed modes, therefore higher CPU usage.

> [root at icecast conf]# [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO
> audio/downmix_initialise Enabling stereo->mono downmixing
> [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO audio/downmix_initialise Enabling
> stereo->mono downmixing
> [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO audio/resample_initialise Initialised
> resampler for 1 channels, from 44100 Hz to 11000 Hz

notice a slight mismatch here, 44100 expected but audio is actually
41000

> [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder
> initialising with bitrate management: 1 channels, 11000 Hz, minimum
> bitrate -1, nominal 16000, maximum -1
> [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO signals/signal_usr1_handler Metadata update
> requested
> [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO audio/resample_initialise Initialised
> resampler for 1 channels, from 41000 Hz to 22050 Hz

this matches the actual input rate, but I guess you'll want to change
this as well.

> [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder
> initialising with bitrate management: 1 channels, 22050 Hz, minimum
> bitrate -1, nominal 32000, maximum -1
> [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO stream/ices_instance_stream Connected to
> server: 66.166.6.188:8000/hischannel.smallband.ogg
> [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO stream/ices_instance_stream Connected to
> server: 66.166.6.188:8000/hischannel.highband.ogg
> [2003-11-22  18:44:18] EROR stream/ices_instance_stream Failed initial
> connect to 66.166.6.188:8000 (Login failed: Success)

<p>> The "login failed: success" message is especially cryptic.

again check the icecast log to see why the source is dropped.

> It loks like the smallband option which is the smallest now works, but
> the mid-range or lowband option never initializes. Funky...

That sounds like a race to connect type problem, make sure of the max
source count on icecast.

karl.

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From kerry.cox at ksl.com  Sun Nov 23 05:13:31 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 22 Nov 2003 22:13:31 -0700
Subject: [icecast] (was, streaming both ogg and mp3) now, sending out 3 streams
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Message-ID: <1069564411.4200.67.camel@dagwood>



Ah, yes. I remember having problems with the sample rate of 44100 and
41000 when I was trying to initially set this up. Curse my dyslexia....
Unfortunately, the box itself is over 1000 miles away. They have a live
show in an hour so I am reluctant to make the suggested changes.
However, I will give your suggestions a shot later tonight.
Thanks much for the help.
KJ

<p>On Sat, 2003-11-22 at 21:12, Karl Heyes wrote:
> On Sun, 2003-11-23 at 03:51, Kerry Cox wrote:
> > Hmmm, I guess more is incorrect here than I thought. I changed the
> > resample in-rate to be 44100 like it should have have been.
> > But still no joy. Here is the error message as shown in the error.log
> > file. I'm looking things over and am not seeing my error.
> > It looks like the audio resample for this particular stream is good.
> > 
> > [root at icecast conf]# ices /usr/local/icecast2/conf/ices.stream.3.xml &
> > [2] 8214
> > [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO ices-core/main ices started...
> > [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO input-oss/oss_open_module Opened audio
> > device /dev/dsp at 2 channel(s), 41000 Hz
> 
> I didn't spot this before, your card/driver likes a samplerate of
> 41000hz, but 44100 is probably what you want.
> 
> > [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder
> > initialising with bitrate management: 2 channels, 41000 Hz, minimum
> > bitrate -1, nominal 96000, maximum -1
> 
> I would suggest using the <quality> tags and not the <nominal-bitrate>
> tags as the latter forces managed modes, therefore higher CPU usage.
> 
> > [root at icecast conf]# [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO
> > audio/downmix_initialise Enabling stereo->mono downmixing
> > [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO audio/downmix_initialise Enabling
> > stereo->mono downmixing
> > [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO audio/resample_initialise Initialised
> > resampler for 1 channels, from 44100 Hz to 11000 Hz
> 
> notice a slight mismatch here, 44100 expected but audio is actually
> 41000
> 
> > [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder
> > initialising with bitrate management: 1 channels, 11000 Hz, minimum
> > bitrate -1, nominal 16000, maximum -1
> > [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO signals/signal_usr1_handler Metadata update
> > requested
> > [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO audio/resample_initialise Initialised
> > resampler for 1 channels, from 41000 Hz to 22050 Hz
> 
> this matches the actual input rate, but I guess you'll want to change
> this as well.
> 
> > [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder
> > initialising with bitrate management: 1 channels, 22050 Hz, minimum
> > bitrate -1, nominal 32000, maximum -1
> > [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO stream/ices_instance_stream Connected to
> > server: 66.166.6.188:8000/hischannel.smallband.ogg
> > [2003-11-22  18:44:18] INFO stream/ices_instance_stream Connected to
> > server: 66.166.6.188:8000/hischannel.highband.ogg
> > [2003-11-22  18:44:18] EROR stream/ices_instance_stream Failed initial
> > connect to 66.166.6.188:8000 (Login failed: Success)
> 
> 
> > The "login failed: success" message is especially cryptic.
> 
> again check the icecast log to see why the source is dropped.
> 
> > It loks like the smallband option which is the smallest now works, but
> > the mid-range or lowband option never initializes. Funky...
> 
> That sounds like a race to connect type problem, make sure of the max
> source count on icecast.
> 
> karl.
> 
> 
> 
> 
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From iceuse at kezako.net  Mon Nov 24 20:31:57 2003
From: iceuse at kezako.net (iceuse at kezako.net)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:31:57 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast log analysis : Webalizer 2.10 is ready
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Hello,
version 2.10.05b is ready. The incremental option is working now. The graphs do not contains any more Code 404.
http://webalizer.kezako.net/download.html
Chris
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From djmoguta at hotmail.com  Mon Nov 24 23:38:15 2003
From: djmoguta at hotmail.com (Christopher G)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 18:38:15 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Oddcast utilizing v1.0.1 ?
Message-ID: <BAY1-F90iMBahU7TLOI0000d060@hotmail.com>



Will there be a new version of Oddcast using the 1.0.1 Vorbis encoder?  If 
so, any idea when it'd be released?

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Mon Nov 24 23:57:27 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2003 17:57:27 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Oddcast utilizing v1.0.1 ?
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just drop in the new 1.0.1 vorbis dlls....no need to rebuild a new version 
of oddcast... :)

oddsock
At 06:38 PM 11/24/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>Will there be a new version of Oddcast using the 1.0.1 Vorbis encoder?  If 
>so, any idea when it'd be released?
>
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From leo.currie at strath.ac.uk  Wed Nov 26 08:53:06 2003
From: leo.currie at strath.ac.uk (Leo Currie)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 08:53:06 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Limiting bandwidth usage on Icecast2/Linux
Message-ID: <3FC469F2.40900@strath.ac.uk>



Hello.

I want to somehow limit the total bandwidth usage on my server to < 
256Kbit/s when simultaneously streaming both Ogg & MP3. This is because 
I have an ADSL line. If I were streaming just CBR MP3, I could limit the 
number of listeners - this is what I currently do, and it works fine.

IIRC, the old version of Icecast had a crude bandwidth limiter on it 
(throttle?) - Is there something similar in Icecast2?

Otherwise, I would have to construct some kind of mechanism to monitor 
the bandwidth usage of Icecast2, and prevent new client connections if 
the average bandwidth exceeded x over n seconds, right? ;)

Thanks for any suggestions.

Leo

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From newmannium at hotmail.com  Wed Nov 26 14:48:32 2003
From: newmannium at hotmail.com (V Mahabir)
Date: Wed, 26 Nov 2003 15:48:32 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 Beta 1 hijacks CPU
Message-ID: <Law12-F64TPnhur860E00016153@hotmail.com>



I'm running Icecast 2 Beta 1 which satisfies my needs - high quality audio 
serving @ reasonably low bitrates.

The problem is however that it tends to hog the CPU resources after having 
run for like a day/day and a half. Source and client connections fail when 
this happens.
I'm using psmon to monitor icecast (respawn when it dies or kill/respawn 
when it starts to eat CPU).

I use Winamp icw Oddcast (www.oddsock.org) as source.

I've compiled icecast using the libs provided in the snapshot archive. I'm 
not sure if those are up to date or not....(should I use CVS?) :

- libogg-1.1-20031120.tar.gz
- libvorbis-1.0.1-20031120.tar.gz

These have been compiled using:

Reading specs from /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-slackware-linux/3.2.2/specs
Configured with: ../gcc-3.2.2/configure --prefix=/usr --enable-shared 
--enable-threads=posix --enable-__cxa_atexit --disable-checking 
--with-gnu-ld --verbose --target=i386-slackware-linux 
--host=i386-slackware-linux
Thread model: posix
gcc version 3.2.2

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From msmith at xiph.org  Thu Nov 27 00:35:34 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 11:35:34 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 Beta 1 hijacks CPU
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Message-ID: <200311271135.34247.msmith@xiph.org>



On Thursday 27 November 2003 01:48, V Mahabir wrote:
> I'm running Icecast 2 Beta 1 which satisfies my needs - high quality audio
> serving @ reasonably low bitrates.
>
> The problem is however that it tends to hog the CPU resources after having
> run for like a day/day and a half. Source and client connections fail when
> this happens.
> I'm using psmon to monitor icecast (respawn when it dies or kill/respawn
> when it starts to eat CPU).

This is not something I've ever seen before. You'll have to give detailed 
instructions on how to reproduce it, so we can try to fix any problem.

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From njh at ecs.soton.ac.uk  Thu Nov 27 17:41:04 2003
From: njh at ecs.soton.ac.uk (Nicholas Humfrey)
Date: Thu, 27 Nov 2003 17:41:04 +0000
Subject: [icecast] status.xsl
Message-ID: <a0601020fbbebe68638bc@[152.78.64.103]>



Hi,

<p>I have just got icecast2 up and running, and I must say I am very 
happy with it :) IPv6 support out of the box is great :)

<p>However I did notice that status.xsl didn't display all the 
information available about the mount points, it looks like the XML 
got modified and the XSL file didn't. I have modified the XSL files, 
so that they show the full information:

http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~njh/libshout-doc/status.xsl
http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~njh/libshout-doc/status-text.xsl
http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~njh/libshout-doc/status-xml.xsl

tatus-text.xsl is status2.xsl renamed and updated.
status-xml.xsl passes all the original XML straight through.

<p><p>Thanks for all your work guys,

<p>nick.
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From newmannium at hotmail.com  Fri Nov 28 00:36:15 2003
From: newmannium at hotmail.com (V Mahabir)
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2003 01:36:15 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 Beta 1 hijacks CPU
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Icecast2 Beta 1 hijacks CPU>
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Detailied instructions.... Not a very simple task I'm afraid. I'll try 
anyway.

For starters I've only compiled libogg (CVS snapshots), libvorbis (CVS 
snapshots) and icecast beta 1 (from icecast.org's Download page). I didn't 
bother with ices, libshout, etc. since I use Winamp icw Oddcast to provide 
the source for icecast.

All compiled using:

./configure --prefix=/path/to/home (and ofcourse LD_LIBRARY_PATh set to 
home/lib)
- make; make install

Ran icecast using:
/home/user/Appz/faziel/bin/icecast -c /home/user/Appz/faziel/etc/icecast.xml 
&

Kept the .xml pretty standard. Only changed:

- <source-password>
- <admin-password>
- <hostname> (changed that to fixed external IP)
- <mount-name>
- <fallback-mount>
- <loglevel> (changed to 1->error)

I left the portsettings unchanged (8000).

On my MS box I fired up Winamp and its Oddcast plugin. Plugin always 
connects just fine and instantly.

Now users could connect using:

http://muskan.mine.nu:8000/faziel.ogg.m3u

or through a Java appet:

http://muskan.mine.nu:8000/freedomaudio/freedomaudio.html

(you can try - they should work)

Listeners can change the playlist through another Winamp plugin:

http://radio-muskan.tk

I use icecast's webserver functionality too (e.g. for the Java applet and 
for some .jpg hosting). Not sure if this is still considered kinda buggy and 
might increase chances of icecast crashing. In that case I'll just use 
apache from then on.

While icecast is running I check back regularly using:
netstat -an | grep :8000 | grep -v myMSbox'sIP

During the day the number of listeners averages at 4.

I also have a second Winamp running at all times which stays connected to 
the stream as long it's up. So the first thing I do when I wakeup is turn on 
my speakers to see if the stream's alive or not.

Often it's not ;/

In those cases running top shows 9 out of 10 times icecast taking up 
50-60-70% CPU. If it only would still function I'd be happy with that :P.

Yesterday I decided to get the sources from CVS (ogg, vorbis and icecast 
itself).

Compiled using:

.sh autogen.sh --prefix=/path/to/home (and ofcourse LD_LIBRARY_PATh set to 
home/lib)
- make; make install

During the day (I was at work) I could see people connected to it, including 
myself at home (MSbox with Winamp + Oddcast) and my box at work. Music 
playing without a hitch.

I just turned on my speakers and once again nothing.
Running top showed icecast and it's threads but *no* CPU usage though.
Running netstat -lnp showed port 8000 as listening port but no process name 
next to it.
Meanwhile, the Oddcast plugin was in a "Connected" "Disconnected" loop. 
Usually when icecast isn't running at all Oddcast just reports "Unable to 
connect to socket".

I had to killall -9 icecast. Normal kill wouldn't work. After restarting 
icecast (I now run the non-CVS version again) netstat -lnp did show icecast 
as the listening process on 8000.

Next time I'll set loglevel to debug again. I've listeners now and I'm not 
sure if icecast can sustain a kill -HUP ;-)

Sorry if my story seems incoherent but I'm pretty beat by now. I'm turning 
in then. G'night :-)

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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr  Sat Nov 29 04:59:49 2003
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (Macsym)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 05:59:49 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast in Macromedia Flash
In-Reply-To: <20031129044813.B9295532AE0@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Message-ID: <20031129045945.A7299532A5C@motherfish-II.xiph.org>



Hello everybody,
This topic was already published in the icecast development list but it did
not interest many people there because it is related to Macromedia Flash and
apparently all the development team is running Linux PPC (the flash plugin
is not available for Linux PPC). For this reason, I was advised to transfer
this topic to this regular icecast list.
Sorry for those who subscribed to both icecast and icecast-dev lists; you
will receive two times this message.

So here is the thing: I am trying to build an mp3 player in Macromedia Flash
that would work with Icecast. Using Flash as a mp3 player instead of Winamp,
XMMS,. could democratize Icecast because the Flash plugin is
cross-platform/cross-browser, it is installed on almost every computer
connected to the internet (Windows, MAC, Linux - but NOT linux PPC) and it
will be embedded into a webpage.
I successfully imported an Icecast live stream into Flash with this simple
ActionScript code:
TestIcecast = new Sound();
TestIcecast.loadSound("http://myradio.com:8000/mystream", true);
TestIcecast.start(0,0)

For those who don't know flash, here is the process of creating a flash
animation: you edit the code into a .fla file, then export this code into a
.swf file (the flash animation) and then embed this flash animation into a
webpage.
HERE IS THE PROBLEM: the code above works perfectly in a standalone swf file
but not when the swf is embedded into a webpage.

I analyzed the logs of my icecast server to understand what is happening:

When I run the swf in standalone mode (not embedded), the ACCESS log is:
192.168.0.3 - - [27/Nov/2003:04:37:46 Romance Standard Time] "GET /mystream
HTTP/1.1" 200 246535 "(null)" "http://192.168.0.4:37/mystream" 13712368.

When I run the webpage in which the swf is embedded in, I can see the swf
contacts the server but no stream is played. The ACCESS log is:
192.168.0.3 - - [27/Nov/2003:04:42:58 Romance Standard Time] "GET /mystream
HTTP/1.1" 200 328981 "(null)" "-" 13712464

I both case, the ERROR log is:
[.]Client connected
[.]Source found for client
[.[Client added

It means the swf, even when embedded, can access the stream (but it doesn't
play anything). Anyway, I noticed the only difference between the two ACCESS
logs is the "http://192.168.0.4:37/mystream" (in first log) instead of "-"
(in second log) that appears behind "(null)". Please not that I made other
tests with Winamp and the habitual information that appears behind "(null)"
is "-".

I thought the problem might come from the headers that Icecast need to
receive from regular players (Winamp,.) before sending the stream because I
think my Flash animation doesn't send any header information when embedded
into a webpage (headers information is send by the browser instead). For
this reason I tried to use a php script that sends hardcoded header
information (Content-type: audio/mpeg; GET <path of the stream> HTTP/1.1;
protocol: \"http\") to the server. Then I call the URL of this script into
my flash code instead of the URL of the stream. The php script is:
<?php
$streamname = "192.168.0.4"; // put in whatever stream you want to play 
$port = "37"; // put in the port of the stream 
$path = "/mystream"; // put in any extra path, this is usually just a / 
header("Content-type: audio/mpeg"); 
$sock = fsockopen($streamname,$port); 
fputs($sock, "GET $path HTTP/1.1\n");
fputs($sock, "protocol: \"http\"\n");
fputs($sock, "Connection: close\n\n");
fpassthru($sock);
?>
I still have the same problem even with the script: I can listen to the
stream when I run the swf in standalone mode but NOT when it is embedded
into a webpage. I also analyzed the access logs of Icecast when I call the
php script into my flash animation instead of the direct source URL (this
test was realized with the swf embedded):

192.168.0.5 - - [27/Nov/2003:04:54:03 Romance Standard Time] "GET /mystream
HTTP/1.1" 200 94383 "(null)" "-" 4549088

You can notice that it creates the exact same log if I use the php or the
direct stream source when I test my swf embedded.

Is there any header information missing in my php script? What header
information do I have to add in order to send the
"http://192.168.0.4:37/mystream" information (instead of "-") that appears
after "(null)" into the ACCESS log (mentioned above)? Do you think the
problem might come from the macromedia Flash player's security policy? Note
that the same problem happens with Shoutcast.

Thank you very much for any help!

MAX 

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From Mitja.Pirih at radiocapris.com  Sat Nov 29 09:58:10 2003
From: Mitja.Pirih at radiocapris.com (Mitja Pirih)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 10:58:10 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast in Macromedia Flash
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Icecast in Macromedia Flash>
Message-ID: <A1E5C44120D3784C9CC2937A0A2814922D5E15@MASTERSBS.lan.protokol.si>



Thanks for a lot of usefull info.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Macsym [mailto:macsym69 at yahoo.fr]
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 6:00 AM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: [icecast] Icecast in Macromedia Flash
> 
> 
> Hello everybody,
> This topic was already published in the icecast development 
> list but it did
> not interest many people there because it is related to 
> Macromedia Flash and
> apparently all the development team is running Linux PPC (the 
> flash plugin
> is not available for Linux PPC). For this reason, I was 
> advised to transfer
> this topic to this regular icecast list.
> Sorry for those who subscribed to both icecast and 
> icecast-dev lists; you
> will receive two times this message.
> 
> So here is the thing: I am trying to build an mp3 player in 
> Macromedia Flash
> that would work with Icecast. Using Flash as a mp3 player 
> instead of Winamp,
> XMMS,. could democratize Icecast because the Flash plugin is
> cross-platform/cross-browser, it is installed on almost every computer
> connected to the internet (Windows, MAC, Linux - but NOT 
> linux PPC) and it
> will be embedded into a webpage.
> I successfully imported an Icecast live stream into Flash 
> with this simple
> ActionScript code:
> TestIcecast = new Sound();
> TestIcecast.loadSound("http://myradio.com:8000/mystream", true);
> TestIcecast.start(0,0)
> 
> For those who don't know flash, here is the process of 
> creating a flash
> animation: you edit the code into a .fla file, then export 
> this code into a
> .swf file (the flash animation) and then embed this flash 
> animation into a
> webpage.
> HERE IS THE PROBLEM: the code above works perfectly in a 
> standalone swf file
> but not when the swf is embedded into a webpage.
> 
> I analyzed the logs of my icecast server to understand what 
> is happening:
> 
> When I run the swf in standalone mode (not embedded), the 
> ACCESS log is:
> 192.168.0.3 - - [27/Nov/2003:04:37:46 Romance Standard Time] 
> "GET /mystream
> HTTP/1.1" 200 246535 "(null)" 
> "http://192.168.0.4:37/mystream" 13712368.
> 
> When I run the webpage in which the swf is embedded in, I can 
> see the swf
> contacts the server but no stream is played. The ACCESS log is:
> 192.168.0.3 - - [27/Nov/2003:04:42:58 Romance Standard Time] 
> "GET /mystream
> HTTP/1.1" 200 328981 "(null)" "-" 13712464
> 
> I both case, the ERROR log is:
> [.]Client connected
> [.]Source found for client
> [.[Client added
> 
> It means the swf, even when embedded, can access the stream 
> (but it doesn't
> play anything). Anyway, I noticed the only difference between 
> the two ACCESS
> logs is the "http://192.168.0.4:37/mystream" (in first log) 
> instead of "-"
> (in second log) that appears behind "(null)". Please not that 
> I made other
> tests with Winamp and the habitual information that appears 
> behind "(null)"
> is "-".
> 
> I thought the problem might come from the headers that Icecast need to
> receive from regular players (Winamp,.) before sending the 
> stream because I
> think my Flash animation doesn't send any header information 
> when embedded
> into a webpage (headers information is send by the browser 
> instead). For
> this reason I tried to use a php script that sends hardcoded header
> information (Content-type: audio/mpeg; GET <path of the 
> stream> HTTP/1.1;
> protocol: \"http\") to the server. Then I call the URL of 
> this script into
> my flash code instead of the URL of the stream. The php script is:
> <?php
> $streamname = "192.168.0.4"; // put in whatever stream you 
> want to play 
> $port = "37"; // put in the port of the stream 
> $path = "/mystream"; // put in any extra path, this is 
> usually just a / 
> header("Content-type: audio/mpeg"); 
> $sock = fsockopen($streamname,$port); 
> fputs($sock, "GET $path HTTP/1.1\n");
> fputs($sock, "protocol: \"http\"\n");
> fputs($sock, "Connection: close\n\n");
> fpassthru($sock);
> ?>
> I still have the same problem even with the script: I can 
> listen to the
> stream when I run the swf in standalone mode but NOT when it 
> is embedded
> into a webpage. I also analyzed the access logs of Icecast 
> when I call the
> php script into my flash animation instead of the direct 
> source URL (this
> test was realized with the swf embedded):
> 
> 192.168.0.5 - - [27/Nov/2003:04:54:03 Romance Standard Time] 
> "GET /mystream
> HTTP/1.1" 200 94383 "(null)" "-" 4549088
> 
> You can notice that it creates the exact same log if I use 
> the php or the
> direct stream source when I test my swf embedded.
> 
> Is there any header information missing in my php script? What header
> information do I have to add in order to send the
> "http://192.168.0.4:37/mystream" information (instead of "-") 
> that appears
> after "(null)" into the ACCESS log (mentioned above)? Do you think the
> problem might come from the macromedia Flash player's 
> security policy? Note
> that the same problem happens with Shoutcast.
> 
> Thank you very much for any help!
> 
> MAX 
> 
> 
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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Sat Nov 29 10:19:53 2003
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 11:19:53 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in Macromedia Flash
In-Reply-To: <20031129024230.509A5532AAC@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Message-ID: <3FC872C9.CB80D9AB@gmx.net>



Hi,

<p>I moved this to icecast@, since none of these are icecast development
related questions and issues.

Macsym wrote:
> I didn't know so many people in the Icecast-Dev list were running Linux PPC!

Oh well, I'm neither a developer nor running Linux PPC. ;)

> Anyway, I understand that you guys don't have the time to help me with that
> because you wouldn't be able to run the flash player anyway! Because of
> that, I think I will send the topic to the regular Icecast mailing list
> (where I might find more people running Linux, Mac OS or Windows).

I have some Windows boxes around where I have Flashplayer installed.
However, since I'm switching OSes faster than my socks (I am
multi-booting), and I am not *allowed* to install/use Flash on the other
most important OS (OpenBSD, even though it would work), I am avoiding
flashy sites as good as possible. I can't say I find Flash's
discriminating license or its habit of eating CPU cycles and RAM
appealing at all.

Actually, I believe your Flash-based streaming client is only good to
obfuscate the real address of the streaming server, to keep people from
easily dumping the stream to disk or just play it in their favorite
player...

> There are still some kinds of information I can only get from the dev list:
> 
> -Does anybody know where I can find a document that explains the changes in
> the core architecture between Icecast1 and Icecast2 (Flash was working with
> Icecast1)?

Hey, I can answer that! :)

Everything is different, Icecast 2 is a re-write.

> -Does Icecast need to receive some kinds of headers from the player before
> sending the stream? If yes, what are these headers?

Nothing special that I know of - it's plain HTTP, and clients only need
to send a simple GET request to start listening to a stream. Others may
slap me now for spreading false information, however, I'm pretty sure
I'm close to the mark.

> -Can somebody translate me this access log line:
> 192.168.0.3 - - [27/Nov/2003:04:42:58 Romance Standard Time] "GET /mystream
> HTTP/1.1" 200 328981 "(null)" "-" 13712464

200 is the return code the server replied. 200 means "OK", iirc. The
other number is the amount of bytes transferred, (null) is what the
server got from the client as the referer (it should be "-" for "no
referer") and "-" is a place holder for the user-agent, which the client
should've sent. However, I do not know what the final number is supposed
to mean ... I don't know it from Apache, and my icecast access.log
usually has that one as a zero, but not always.

<p>Moritz
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr  Sat Nov 29 17:54:29 2003
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (Macsym)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:54:29 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in Macromedia Flash
In-Reply-To: <3FC872C9.CB80D9AB@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20031129175810.15109532BC9@motherfish-II.xiph.org>



Hi Moritz,
Thanks for everything.
About the log line:
192.168.0.3 - - [27/Nov/2003:04:42:58 Romance Standard Time] "GET /mystream
 HTTP/1.1" 200 328981 "(null)" "-" 13712464

How can I set up my php script to send hardcoded header information for the
parameter "referrer"? Do you think the value: 
fputs($sock, "referrer: "-"\n");

hould be OK?

Also, does anybody know what the last number (13712464) in the log is? It is
not the number of the log line because this number was recurrent on several
tests.

MAX

-----Original Message-----
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gtgbr at gmx.net
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:20 AM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in Macromedia Flash

Hi,

<p>I moved this to icecast@, since none of these are icecast development
related questions and issues.

Macsym wrote:
> I didn't know so many people in the Icecast-Dev list were running Linux
PPC!

Oh well, I'm neither a developer nor running Linux PPC. ;)

> Anyway, I understand that you guys don't have the time to help me with
that
> because you wouldn't be able to run the flash player anyway! Because of
> that, I think I will send the topic to the regular Icecast mailing list
> (where I might find more people running Linux, Mac OS or Windows).

I have some Windows boxes around where I have Flashplayer installed.
However, since I'm switching OSes faster than my socks (I am
multi-booting), and I am not *allowed* to install/use Flash on the other
most important OS (OpenBSD, even though it would work), I am avoiding
flashy sites as good as possible. I can't say I find Flash's
discriminating license or its habit of eating CPU cycles and RAM
appealing at all.

Actually, I believe your Flash-based streaming client is only good to
obfuscate the real address of the streaming server, to keep people from
easily dumping the stream to disk or just play it in their favorite
player...

> There are still some kinds of information I can only get from the dev
list:
> 
> -Does anybody know where I can find a document that explains the changes
in
> the core architecture between Icecast1 and Icecast2 (Flash was working
with
> Icecast1)?

Hey, I can answer that! :)

Everything is different, Icecast 2 is a re-write.

> -Does Icecast need to receive some kinds of headers from the player before
> sending the stream? If yes, what are these headers?

Nothing special that I know of - it's plain HTTP, and clients only need
to send a simple GET request to start listening to a stream. Others may
slap me now for spreading false information, however, I'm pretty sure
I'm close to the mark.

> -Can somebody translate me this access log line:
> 192.168.0.3 - - [27/Nov/2003:04:42:58 Romance Standard Time] "GET
/mystream
> HTTP/1.1" 200 328981 "(null)" "-" 13712464

200 is the return code the server replied. 200 means "OK", iirc. The
other number is the amount of bytes transferred, (null) is what the
server got from the client as the referer (it should be "-" for "no
referer") and "-" is a place holder for the user-agent, which the client
should've sent. However, I do not know what the final number is supposed
to mean ... I don't know it from Apache, and my icecast access.log
usually has that one as a zero, but not always.

<p>Moritz
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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Sat Nov 29 23:44:20 2003
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 00:44:20 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in MacromediaFlash
In-Reply-To: <20031129175810.15109532BC9@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Message-ID: <3FC92F54.3FC232F3@gmx.net>



Macsym wrote:
> About the log line:
> 192.168.0.3 - - [27/Nov/2003:04:42:58 Romance Standard Time] "GET /mystream
>  HTTP/1.1" 200 328981 "(null)" "-" 13712464
> 
> How can I set up my php script to send hardcoded header information for the
> parameter "referrer"? Do you think the value:
> fputs($sock, "referrer: "-"\n");

I have no idea, maybe someone with PHP and HTTP knowledge can help. I
am, however, quite sure that your idea here is wrong - either the
referer (three, not four r's) gets supplied to the
"make-a-http-connection" function as a parameter, or it's a separate
line (probably) with a certain, HTTPish syntax. Maybe yours is close to
it. ;P Again, someone else may know much more than me here.

In any case, I wouldn't worry too much - I mean, Icecast doesn't crash,
it seems to work ...

<p>Moritz

P.S.: I really wonder why the lists stop sending me my own mails back
... :/ I never know if and when something from me arrives.
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr  Sun Nov 30 01:00:57 2003
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (Macsym)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 02:00:57 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in MacromediaFlash
In-Reply-To: <3FC92F54.3FC232F3@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20031130010122.12CD1532988@motherfish-II.xiph.org>



Hi Moritz,
Don't worry, your emails are sent to the list! I checked the security policy
of the flash player today. The problem might come from there and not
icecast.

Anyway, thank you very much for all the information provided.

MAX

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gtgbr at gmx.net
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 12:44 AM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in
MacromediaFlash

Macsym wrote:
> About the log line:
> 192.168.0.3 - - [27/Nov/2003:04:42:58 Romance Standard Time] "GET
/mystream
>  HTTP/1.1" 200 328981 "(null)" "-" 13712464
> 
> How can I set up my php script to send hardcoded header information for
the
> parameter "referrer"? Do you think the value:
> fputs($sock, "referrer: "-"\n");

I have no idea, maybe someone with PHP and HTTP knowledge can help. I
am, however, quite sure that your idea here is wrong - either the
referer (three, not four r's) gets supplied to the
"make-a-http-connection" function as a parameter, or it's a separate
line (probably) with a certain, HTTPish syntax. Maybe yours is close to
it. ;P Again, someone else may know much more than me here.

In any case, I wouldn't worry too much - I mean, Icecast doesn't crash,
it seems to work ...

<p>Moritz

P.S.: I really wonder why the lists stop sending me my own mails back
... :/ I never know if and when something from me arrives.
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From groups at mediacast1.com  Sun Nov 30 01:12:08 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Sat, 29 Nov 2003 18:12:08 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in MacromediaFlash
In-Reply-To: <20031129175810.15109532BC9@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Message-ID: <01af01c3b6de$fa21f430$6401a8c0@ripper>



Here is some code i wrote to send a mp3 file to a shoutcast server, with a little modification im sure you could change it and use it to connect to icecast2 and write various things etc... not sure but here it is
------------------------------------------------------
<?php
$port = '8000';
$ip = '127.0.0.1';
$fileplay = './whatever.mp3';
$password = 'changme' //password to access server
 

$socket = socket_create(AF_INET,SOCK_STREAM,SOL_TCP); // Create the Socket
$connection = socket_connect($socket,''.$ip.'',''.$port.'); //connect to the SHOUTcast server

while($connection = socket_read($socket,2046)) 
{ 
$filesz = filesize(''.$fileplay.'');//enter in a single filename here in same directory or enter in full path
$fp = fopen (''.$fileplay.'', "rb"); 
$fr = fread ($fp, $filesz);
socket_write($connection,"$password\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"Content-Type:audio/mpeg\r\n"); //ogg is application/ogg
socket_write($connection,"Cache-Control:no-cache\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"Pragma:no-cache\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"Connection:close\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"icy-notice1:test1\r\n"); 
socket_write($connection,"icy-notice2:test2\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"icy-name:test server\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"icy-genre:industrial\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"$fr\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"Connection:keep-alive\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"icy-br:128\r\n\r\n"); 

<p><p>} 
?>
--------------------------------------------------------

php must be compile with socket support i.e. '--with-sockets'
otherwise the above will not work.
the icy headers apparently will work as well, search the mailing list as i discussed this a few days or weeks ago, to much code netween now and then
to remember the exact date ;)

<p><p>Dave St John
Mediacast1 Administration
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Macsym" <macsym69 at yahoo.fr>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 10:54 AM
Subject: RE: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in MacromediaFlash

<p>> Hi Moritz,
> Thanks for everything.
> About the log line:
> 192.168.0.3 - - [27/Nov/2003:04:42:58 Romance Standard Time] "GET /mystream
>  HTTP/1.1" 200 328981 "(null)" "-" 13712464
> 
> How can I set up my php script to send hardcoded header information for the
> parameter "referrer"? Do you think the value: 
> fputs($sock, "referrer: "-"\n");
> 
> should be OK?
> 
> Also, does anybody know what the last number (13712464) in the log is? It is
> not the number of the log line because this number was recurrent on several
> tests.
> 
> MAX
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf Of
> gtgbr at gmx.net
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:20 AM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in Macromedia Flash
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I moved this to icecast@, since none of these are icecast development
> related questions and issues.
> 
> Macsym wrote:
> > I didn't know so many people in the Icecast-Dev list were running Linux
> PPC!
> 
> Oh well, I'm neither a developer nor running Linux PPC. ;)
> 
> > Anyway, I understand that you guys don't have the time to help me with
> that
> > because you wouldn't be able to run the flash player anyway! Because of
> > that, I think I will send the topic to the regular Icecast mailing list
> > (where I might find more people running Linux, Mac OS or Windows).
> 
> I have some Windows boxes around where I have Flashplayer installed.
> However, since I'm switching OSes faster than my socks (I am
> multi-booting), and I am not *allowed* to install/use Flash on the other
> most important OS (OpenBSD, even though it would work), I am avoiding
> flashy sites as good as possible. I can't say I find Flash's
> discriminating license or its habit of eating CPU cycles and RAM
> appealing at all.
> 
> Actually, I believe your Flash-based streaming client is only good to
> obfuscate the real address of the streaming server, to keep people from
> easily dumping the stream to disk or just play it in their favorite
> player...
> 
> > There are still some kinds of information I can only get from the dev
> list:
> > 
> > -Does anybody know where I can find a document that explains the changes
> in
> > the core architecture between Icecast1 and Icecast2 (Flash was working
> with
> > Icecast1)?
> 
> Hey, I can answer that! :)
> 
> Everything is different, Icecast 2 is a re-write.
> 
> > -Does Icecast need to receive some kinds of headers from the player before
> > sending the stream? If yes, what are these headers?
> 
> Nothing special that I know of - it's plain HTTP, and clients only need
> to send a simple GET request to start listening to a stream. Others may
> slap me now for spreading false information, however, I'm pretty sure
> I'm close to the mark.
> 
> > -Can somebody translate me this access log line:
> > 192.168.0.3 - - [27/Nov/2003:04:42:58 Romance Standard Time] "GET
> /mystream
> > HTTP/1.1" 200 328981 "(null)" "-" 13712464
> 
> 200 is the return code the server replied. 200 means "OK", iirc. The
> other number is the amount of bytes transferred, (null) is what the
> server got from the client as the referer (it should be "-" for "no
> referer") and "-" is a place holder for the user-agent, which the client
> should've sent. However, I do not know what the final number is supposed
> to mean ... I don't know it from Apache, and my icecast access.log
> usually has that one as a zero, but not always.
> 
> 
> Moritz
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr  Sun Nov 30 14:36:23 2003
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (Macsym)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 15:36:23 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in MacromediaFlash
In-Reply-To: <01af01c3b6de$fa21f430$6401a8c0@ripper>
Message-ID: <20031130143630.9EBFD532AD8@motherfish-II.xiph.org>



Hi Dave,

I remember I read your post, but when I read it, nobody had answered you
yet. Thank you very much for the script, it seems to be more complete than
mine.
I am new to php, to create a script, I usually edit it in notepad and save
it as *.php. How can I compile the script '--with-sockets' under windows?

Thanks again
MAX

________________________________________
From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf Of
Dave St John
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 2:12 AM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in
MacromediaFlash

Here is some code i wrote to send a mp3 file to a shoutcast server, with a
little modification im sure you could change it and use it to connect to
icecast2 and write various things etc... not sure but here it is
------------------------------------------------------
<?php
$port = '8000';
$ip = '127.0.0.1';
$fileplay = './whatever.mp3';
$password = 'changme' //password to access server
?

$socket = socket_create(AF_INET,SOCK_STREAM,SOL_TCP); // Create the Socket
$connection = socket_connect($socket,''.$ip.'',''.$port.'); //connect to
the?SHOUTcast server

while($connection = socket_read($socket,2046)) 
{ 
$filesz = filesize(''.$fileplay.'');//enter in a single filename here in
same directory or enter in full path
$fp = fopen (''.$fileplay.'', "rb"); 
$fr = fread ($fp, $filesz);
socket_write($connection,"$password\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"Content-Type:audio/mpeg\r\n"); //ogg is
application/ogg
socket_write($connection,"Cache-Control:no-cache\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"Pragma:no-cache\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"Connection:close\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"icy-notice1:test1\r\n"); 
socket_write($connection,"icy-notice2:test2\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"icy-name:test server\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"icy-genre:industrial\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"$fr\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"Connection:keep-alive\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"icy-br:128\r\n\r\n"); 

<p><p>} 
?>
--------------------------------------------------------
?
php must be compile with socket support i.e. '--with-sockets'
otherwise the above will not work.
the icy headers apparently will work as well, search the mailing list as i
discussed this a few days or weeks ago, to much code netween now and then
to remember the exact date ;)
?
?
?
Dave St John
Mediacast1 Administration
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Macsym" <macsym69 at yahoo.fr>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 10:54 AM
Subject: RE: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in
MacromediaFlash

> Hi Moritz,
> Thanks for everything.
> About the log line:
> 192.168.0.3 - - [27/Nov/2003:04:42:58 Romance Standard Time] "GET
/mystream
> ?HTTP/1.1" 200 328981 "(null)" "-" 13712464
> 
> How can I set up my php script to send hardcoded header information for
the
> parameter "referrer"? Do you think the value: 
> fputs($sock, "referrer: "-"\n");
> 
> should be OK?
> 
> Also, does anybody know what the last number (13712464) in the log is? It
is
> not the number of the log line because this number was recurrent on
several
> tests.
> 
> MAX
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf Of
> gtgbr at gmx.net
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:20 AM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in Macromedia
Flash
> 
> Hi,
> 
> 
> I moved this to icecast@, since none of these are icecast development
> related questions and issues.
> 
> Macsym wrote:
> > I didn't know so many people in the Icecast-Dev list were running Linux
> PPC!
> 
> Oh well, I'm neither a developer nor running Linux PPC. ;)
> 
> > Anyway, I understand that you guys don't have the time to help me with
> that
> > because you wouldn't be able to run the flash player anyway! Because of
> > that, I think I will send the topic to the regular Icecast mailing list
> > (where I might find more people running Linux, Mac OS or Windows).
> 
> I have some Windows boxes around where I have Flashplayer installed.
> However, since I'm switching OSes faster than my socks (I am
> multi-booting), and I am not *allowed* to install/use Flash on the other
> most important OS (OpenBSD, even though it would work), I am avoiding
> flashy sites as good as possible. I can't say I find Flash's
> discriminating license or its habit of eating CPU cycles and RAM
> appealing at all.
> 
> Actually, I believe your Flash-based streaming client is only good to
> obfuscate the real address of the streaming server, to keep people from
> easily dumping the stream to disk or just play it in their favorite
> player...
> 
> > There are still some kinds of information I can only get from the dev
> list:
> > 
> > -Does anybody know where I can find a document that explains the changes
> in
> > the core architecture between Icecast1 and Icecast2 (Flash was working
> with
> > Icecast1)?
> 
> Hey, I can answer that! :)
> 
> Everything is different, Icecast 2 is a re-write.
> 
> > -Does Icecast need to receive some kinds of headers from the player
before
> > sending the stream? If yes, what are these headers?
> 
> Nothing special that I know of - it's plain HTTP, and clients only need
> to send a simple GET request to start listening to a stream. Others may
> slap me now for spreading false information, however, I'm pretty sure
> I'm close to the mark.
> 
> > -Can somebody translate me this access log line:
> > 192.168.0.3 - - [27/Nov/2003:04:42:58 Romance Standard Time] "GET
> /mystream
> > HTTP/1.1" 200 328981 "(null)" "-" 13712464
> 
> 200 is the return code the server replied. 200 means "OK", iirc. The
> other number is the amount of bytes transferred, (null) is what the
> server got from the client as the referer (it should be "-" for "no
> referer") and "-" is a place holder for the user-agent, which the client
> should've sent. However, I do not know what the final number is supposed
> to mean ... I don't know it from Apache, and my icecast access.log
> usually has that one as a zero, but not always.
> 
> 
> Moritz
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From groups at mediacast1.com  Sun Nov 30 16:50:28 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 09:50:28 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in MacromediaFlash
In-Reply-To: <20031130143630.9EBFD532AD8@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
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Under windows all you need to do is edit your php.ini file under
C:\WINDOWS\ (xp)
or
C:\WINNT (2000)

Look for the the following lines
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;
; Dynamic Extensions ;
;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;;

then find
;extension=php_shmop.dll
extension=php_sockets.dll
;extension=php_sybase_ct.dll
;extension=php_tokenizer.dll

make sure sockets is uncommented
you will also need to set the path you where your extension directory
resides, which you can do here

; Directory in which the loadable extensions (modules) reside.
extension_dir = C:\apache\php\extensions\ (this is where i had mine set to)

Keep in mind also that i have not tested any of that under windows, so it
may vary, i tested that under linux.

Hope that sheds some light for ya.

Dave St John
Mediacast1 Administration
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From: "Macsym" <macsym69 at yahoo.fr>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 7:36 AM
Subject: RE: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in
MacromediaFlash

<p>Hi Dave,

I remember I read your post, but when I read it, nobody had answered you
yet. Thank you very much for the script, it seems to be more complete than
mine.
I am new to php, to create a script, I usually edit it in notepad and save
it as *.php. How can I compile the script '--with-sockets' under windows?

Thanks again
MAX

________________________________________
From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf Of
Dave St John
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 2:12 AM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in
MacromediaFlash

Here is some code i wrote to send a mp3 file to a shoutcast server, with a
little modification im sure you could change it and use it to connect to
icecast2 and write various things etc... not sure but here it is
------------------------------------------------------
<?php
$port = '8000';
$ip = '127.0.0.1';
$fileplay = './whatever.mp3';
$password = 'changme' //password to access server

<p>$socket = socket_create(AF_INET,SOCK_STREAM,SOL_TCP); // Create the Socket
$connection = socket_connect($socket,''.$ip.'',''.$port.'); //connect to
the SHOUTcast server

while($connection = socket_read($socket,2046))
{
$filesz = filesize(''.$fileplay.'');//enter in a single filename here in
same directory or enter in full path
$fp = fopen (''.$fileplay.'', "rb");
$fr = fread ($fp, $filesz);
socket_write($connection,"$password\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"Content-Type:audio/mpeg\r\n"); //ogg is
application/ogg
socket_write($connection,"Cache-Control:no-cache\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"Pragma:no-cache\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"Connection:close\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"icy-notice1:test1\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"icy-notice2:test2\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"icy-name:test server\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"icy-genre:industrial\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"$fr\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"Connection:keep-alive\r\n");
socket_write($connection,"icy-br:128\r\n\r\n");

<p><p>}
?>
--------------------------------------------------------

php must be compile with socket support i.e. '--with-sockets'
otherwise the above will not work.
the icy headers apparently will work as well, search the mailing list as i
discussed this a few days or weeks ago, to much code netween now and then
to remember the exact date ;)

<p><p>Dave St John
Mediacast1 Administration
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Macsym" <macsym69 at yahoo.fr>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 10:54 AM
Subject: RE: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in
MacromediaFlash

> Hi Moritz,
> Thanks for everything.
> About the log line:
> 192.168.0.3 - - [27/Nov/2003:04:42:58 Romance Standard Time] "GET
/mystream
> HTTP/1.1" 200 328981 "(null)" "-" 13712464
>
> How can I set up my php script to send hardcoded header information for
the
> parameter "referrer"? Do you think the value:
> fputs($sock, "referrer: "-"\n");
>
> should be OK?
>
> Also, does anybody know what the last number (13712464) in the log is? It
is
> not the number of the log line because this number was recurrent on
several
> tests.
>
> MAX
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf Of
> gtgbr at gmx.net
> Sent: Saturday, November 29, 2003 11:20 AM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] Hot Topic: Icecast in Macromedia
Flash
>
> Hi,
>
>
> I moved this to icecast@, since none of these are icecast development
> related questions and issues.
>
> Macsym wrote:
> > I didn't know so many people in the Icecast-Dev list were running Linux
> PPC!
>
> Oh well, I'm neither a developer nor running Linux PPC. ;)
>
> > Anyway, I understand that you guys don't have the time to help me with
> that
> > because you wouldn't be able to run the flash player anyway! Because of
> > that, I think I will send the topic to the regular Icecast mailing list
> > (where I might find more people running Linux, Mac OS or Windows).
>
> I have some Windows boxes around where I have Flashplayer installed.
> However, since I'm switching OSes faster than my socks (I am
> multi-booting), and I am not *allowed* to install/use Flash on the other
> most important OS (OpenBSD, even though it would work), I am avoiding
> flashy sites as good as possible. I can't say I find Flash's
> discriminating license or its habit of eating CPU cycles and RAM
> appealing at all.
>
> Actually, I believe your Flash-based streaming client is only good to
> obfuscate the real address of the streaming server, to keep people from
> easily dumping the stream to disk or just play it in their favorite
> player...
>
> > There are still some kinds of information I can only get from the dev
> list:
> >
> > -Does anybody know where I can find a document that explains the changes
> in
> > the core architecture between Icecast1 and Icecast2 (Flash was working
> with
> > Icecast1)?
>
> Hey, I can answer that! :)
>
> Everything is different, Icecast 2 is a re-write.
>
> > -Does Icecast need to receive some kinds of headers from the player
before
> > sending the stream? If yes, what are these headers?
>
> Nothing special that I know of - it's plain HTTP, and clients only need
> to send a simple GET request to start listening to a stream. Others may
> slap me now for spreading false information, however, I'm pretty sure
> I'm close to the mark.
>
> > -Can somebody translate me this access log line:
> > 192.168.0.3 - - [27/Nov/2003:04:42:58 Romance Standard Time] "GET
> /mystream
> > HTTP/1.1" 200 328981 "(null)" "-" 13712464
>
> 200 is the return code the server replied. 200 means "OK", iirc. The
> other number is the amount of bytes transferred, (null) is what the
> server got from the client as the referer (it should be "-" for "no
> referer") and "-" is a place holder for the user-agent, which the client
> should've sent. However, I do not know what the final number is supposed
> to mean ... I don't know it from Apache, and my icecast access.log
> usually has that one as a zero, but not always.
>
>
> Moritz
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From assorgia at tin.it  Sun Nov 30 17:58:06 2003
From: assorgia at tin.it (assorgia at tin.it)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 18:58:06 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast in Macromedia Flash
In-Reply-To: <20031129045945.A7299532A5C@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
Message-ID: <3FCA3DBE.5215.43A8AD@localhost>



> So here is the thing: I am trying to build an mp3 player in Macromedia Flash
> that would work with Icecast. Using Flash as a mp3 player instead of Winamp,
> XMMS...

Well, I'm glad someone else besides me is interested on playing 
streams with mp3 files.

I've made some tests and had the same problems you have. 
After some brawling I found that if you resolve to use icecast 1.3 
instead of the newer 2.0, the problem vanishes.

Actually I'm using icecast 1.3 to stream live audio events and play 
them on my web page with a little flash movie (I have a stream active 
right on this moment), but I'm still hoping to find a way to use icecast 
2.0. 

fell free to ask if you have questions or need help on your tests.
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From macsym69 at yahoo.fr  Sun Nov 30 18:12:29 2003
From: macsym69 at yahoo.fr (Macsym)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:12:29 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast in Macromedia Flash
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Message-ID: <20031130181234.E19B05329A8@motherfish-II.xiph.org>



Ciao Assorgia,

Anch'io sono felice che c? un'altra persona che cerca di importare uno
stream di Icecast nel Flash!

Just one easy question (I'm speaking English for the list), is there a real
quality of sound difference between Icecast1 and 2? Is Icecast2 really more
reliable? Can you provide a link to your webradio, I'd be glad to listen to
it.

Grazie,

MAX

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf Of
assorgia at tin.it
Sent: Sunday, November 30, 2003 6:58 PM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [icecast] Icecast in Macromedia Flash

> So here is the thing: I am trying to build an mp3 player in Macromedia
Flash
> that would work with Icecast. Using Flash as a mp3 player instead of
Winamp,
> XMMS...

Well, I'm glad someone else besides me is interested on playing 
streams with mp3 files.

I've made some tests and had the same problems you have. 
After some brawling I found that if you resolve to use icecast 1.3 
instead of the newer 2.0, the problem vanishes.

Actually I'm using icecast 1.3 to stream live audio events and play 
them on my web page with a little flash movie (I have a stream active 
right on this moment), but I'm still hoping to find a way to use icecast 
2.0. 

fell free to ask if you have questions or need help on your tests.
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From assorgia at tin.it  Sun Nov 30 18:44:00 2003
From: assorgia at tin.it (assorgia at tin.it)
Date: Sun, 30 Nov 2003 19:44:00 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast in Macromedia Flash
In-Reply-To: <20031130181234.E19B05329A8@motherfish-II.xiph.org>
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> Just one easy question (I'm speaking English for the list), is there a real
> quality of sound difference between Icecast1 and 2? Is Icecast2 really more
> reliable? Can you provide a link to your webradio, I'd be glad to listen to
> it.

I don't think you can find any difference between 1.3 and the 2.0  
regarind quality as streams are produced by external encoder. 
Icecast doesn't do much more than boradcasting them over multiple 
clients.

you can hear my stream here for about 30 minutes more.
http://www.sardegnaoggi.it/volley
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