From teckyd at earthlink.net  Sat Mar  1 03:46:27 2003
From: teckyd at earthlink.net (Dan Chokola webmail)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 22:46:27 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Multicast/Unicast
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what fors icecast use? is it unicast or multicast? is there a way to change it? if there is only one kind of stream, will there be support for the other anytime in the future?
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From teckyd at earthlink.net  Sat Mar  1 04:16:17 2003
From: teckyd at earthlink.net (Dan Chokola webmail)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:16:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Multicast/Unicast
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also, does unicast individually send out streams to each listener (requiring lots of bandwidth) or does it broadcast a stream and users can "tap in" (low bandwidth)?
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> what does icecast use? is it unicast or multicast? is there a way to change 
it? if there is only one kind of stream, will there be support for the
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From scriven at lore.com  Sat Mar  1 18:41:52 2003
From: scriven at lore.com (Adam Scriven)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 10:41:52 -0800
Subject: [icecast] ices 'script' playlist information?
Message-ID: <20030301184152.GM29095@lore.com>



Hey all.

I've got my streams running, they're working quite awesome so far.
But I've got a question about automation, and the ices2 "script" playlist
option.

Is there anywhere I can go to get detailed information on how this works?
I'm wondering about passing information back and forth, for example, or
if there's anyway to collect information like the audio program they're
listening with, or perhaps passing "state" information back and forth.

Anyway, thanks for any information you can provide.
Adam, slowly getting used to this icecast2/ices2 stuff.
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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Sat Mar  1 19:09:24 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 01 Mar 2003 19:09:24 +0000
Subject: [icecast] ices 'script' playlist information?
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On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 18:41, Adam Scriven wrote:

> Is there anywhere I can go to get detailed information on how this works?
> I'm wondering about passing information back and forth, for example, or
> if there's anyway to collect information like the audio program they're
> listening with, or perhaps passing "state" information back and forth.

The script playlist runs a program (can be anything executable) and that
just sends to it's standard output a series of filenames (typically
absolute paths) of ogg files to play.  Each filename is read and is used
to find a file to play, anfter that has finished then another filename
is read.

ices has no way of telling you whats been used to play streams as that
is inside icecast, there is practically no feedback from icecast. It
sounds like you want something from icecast itself.

karl.

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From medwards at ualberta.ca  Sat Mar  1 19:35:51 2003
From: medwards at ualberta.ca (M Edwards)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 12:35:51 -0700
Subject: [icecast] ices 'script' playlist information?
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Doesn't ices only read the first line returned from the script?

--thanks
Michael Edwards
http://www.walledcity.ca/mars/

>===== Original Message From Karl Heyes <karl at pts.tele2.co.uk> =====
>On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 18:41, Adam Scriven wrote:
>
>> Is there anywhere I can go to get detailed information on how this works?
>> I'm wondering about passing information back and forth, for example, or
>> if there's anyway to collect information like the audio program they're
>> listening with, or perhaps passing "state" information back and forth.
>
>The script playlist runs a program (can be anything executable) and that
>just sends to it's standard output a series of filenames (typically
>absolute paths) of ogg files to play.  Each filename is read and is used
>to find a file to play, anfter that has finished then another filename
>is read.
>
>ices has no way of telling you whats been used to play streams as that
>is inside icecast, there is practically no feedback from icecast. It
>sounds like you want something from icecast itself.
>
>karl.
>
>
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From scriven at lore.com  Sat Mar  1 19:57:01 2003
From: scriven at lore.com (Adam Scriven)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 11:57:01 -0800
Subject: [icecast] ices 'script' playlist information?
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On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 07:09:24PM +0000, Karl Heyes wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 18:41, Adam Scriven wrote:
> > Is there anywhere I can go to get detailed information on how this works?
> > I'm wondering about passing information back and forth, for example, or
> > if there's anyway to collect information like the audio program they're
> > listening with, or perhaps passing "state" information back and forth.
> 
> The script playlist runs a program (can be anything executable) and that
> just sends to it's standard output a series of filenames (typically
> absolute paths) of ogg files to play.  Each filename is read and is used
> to find a file to play, anfter that has finished then another filename
> is read.

Actually, from the tests that I've done, ices only uses the first song the
script outputs.
I have a script that right now is very simple, it bascially just prints out
two songs to play, each "line" ending in \n.
What happens is, it plays the first song, then re-runs the script to get the
next song, but since the script just prints out lines, it re-prints the first
line first again, and ices logs this:
"EROR playlist-builtin/playlist_read Cannot play same file twice in a row, skipping"

It never reads the second "line" outputted from the file.

So, without any state information being passed back and forth from audio
program<->icecast<->ices, the only way left to track the state of the script
is to read/write external files.  That seems a bit inelegant to me, but that's
MNSHO, and maybe I'm screwing something up.
:)

> ices has no way of telling you whats been used to play streams as that
> is inside icecast, there is practically no feedback from icecast. It
> sounds like you want something from icecast itself.

Yeah, I hadn't realised that when I asked the question.  I'd forgotten icecast
was there, it's working so well. (Loaded up the server and forgot about it.
Isn't that how they're supposed to work? :) )
So, is there anyway to make icecast and ices communicate that information,
or will I need to just track that information myself with external files or
something?

Thanks for all the help!
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From chrisg1 at umbc.edu  Sat Mar  1 22:21:35 2003
From: chrisg1 at umbc.edu (Chris G Moguta)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 17:21:35 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Multiple OGG streams?
Message-ID: <3E6DBBF1@webmail.umbc.edu>



I'd like to set up two streams, one for broadband users & one for modem users 
(and I want them to be playing the same thing at the same time).  Is this 
possible with Icecast 2 and Oddcast, or any other win32-compatible OGG 
software combination?

Thank you!

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From djdij at handbags.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Mar  1 22:33:06 2003
From: djdij at handbags.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Blackwell)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 22:33:06 -0000
Subject: [icecast] Multiple OGG streams?
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> I'd like to set up two streams, one for broadband users & one for modem
users
> (and I want them to be playing the same thing at the same time).  Is this
> possible with Icecast 2 and Oddcast, or any other win32-compatible OGG
> software combination?
>
> Thank you!
>
Use Oddsocks' stream Transcoder to lower the bitrate of the broadband stream

www.oddsock.org
and
http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=59041

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From djdij at handbags.freeserve.co.uk  Sat Mar  1 22:42:58 2003
From: djdij at handbags.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Blackwell)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 22:42:58 -0000
Subject: [icecast] Multiple OGG streams?
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> > I'd like to set up two streams, one for broadband users & one for modem
> users
> > (and I want them to be playing the same thing at the same time).  Is
this
> > possible with Icecast 2 and Oddcast, or any other win32-compatible OGG
> > software combination?
> >
> > Thank you!
> >
> Use Oddsocks' stream Transcoder to lower the bitrate of the broadband
stream
>
> www.oddsock.org
> and
> http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=59041
>
>
Forgot to add- Just setup ur oddsock build of Icecast, using winamp 2 with
Oddcast sending high-bitrate audio for ur broadband stream to your Icecast
server.
Then setup StreamTranscoder to read this stream and send another stream back
to the Icecast server at the narrowband bitrate

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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au  Sun Mar  2 01:44:59 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 01:44:59 -0000
Subject: [icecast] ices 'script' playlist information?
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Adam Scriven <scriven at lore.com> said:

> On Sat, Mar 01, 2003 at 07:09:24PM +0000, Karl Heyes wrote:
> > On Sat, 2003-03-01 at 18:41, Adam Scriven wrote:
> > > Is there anywhere I can go to get detailed information on how this works?
> > > I'm wondering about passing information back and forth, for example, or
> > > if there's anyway to collect information like the audio program they're
> > > listening with, or perhaps passing "state" information back and forth.
> > 
> > The script playlist runs a program (can be anything executable) and that
> > just sends to it's standard output a series of filenames (typically
> > absolute paths) of ogg files to play.  Each filename is read and is used
> > to find a file to play, anfter that has finished then another filename
> > is read.
> 
> Actually, from the tests that I've done, ices only uses the first song the
> script outputs.
> I have a script that right now is very simple, it bascially just prints out
> two songs to play, each "line" ending in \n.
> What happens is, it plays the first song, then re-runs the script to get the
> next song, but since the script just prints out lines, it re-prints the first
> line first again, and ices logs this:
> "EROR playlist-builtin/playlist_read Cannot play same file twice in a row,
skipping"
> 
> It never reads the second "line" outputted from the file.
> 
> So, without any state information being passed back and forth from audio
> program<->icecast<->ices, the only way left to track the state of the script
> is to read/write external files.  That seems a bit inelegant to me, but that's
> MNSHO, and maybe I'm screwing something up.
> :)

No, you're exactly right. The script module is relatively primitive - it was
intended mostly as a somewhat useful, but simple proof-of-concept. The intent
was to eventually (optionally) have stateful in-process scripts (using perl or
python, as ices 0.x allows) as another playlist module. I never got around to
writing those - maybe someone (you?) is interested in doing so? I think the
ices 0.x code for that should be adaptable to ices2 without too much difficulty.

<p>> 
> > ices has no way of telling you whats been used to play streams as that
> > is inside icecast, there is practically no feedback from icecast. It
> > sounds like you want something from icecast itself.
> 
> Yeah, I hadn't realised that when I asked the question.  I'd forgotten icecast
> was there, it's working so well. (Loaded up the server and forgot about it.
> Isn't that how they're supposed to work? :) )
> So, is there anyway to make icecast and ices communicate that information,
> or will I need to just track that information myself with external files or
> something?
> 

The communication between ices and icecast is essentially (apart from some
optional connection negotiation stuff at the start) one-way only.

Mike

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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au  Sun Mar  2 01:49:00 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 01:49:00 -0000
Subject: [icecast] Multiple OGG streams?
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"Chris G (Moguta)" <chrisg1 at umbc.edu> said:

> I'd like to set up two streams, one for broadband users & one for modem users 
> (and I want them to be playing the same thing at the same time).  Is this 
> possible with Icecast 2 and Oddcast, or any other win32-compatible OGG 
> software combination?
> 

icecast2 is very capable of this sort of thing. I think oddcast can do the
source side of this, though I'm not entirely sure.

Mike

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Sun Mar  2 01:55:21 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 11:55:21 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] ices 'script' playlist information?
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Hi:

The user agent (i.e. client) that a person uses to listen is written to the
icecast2 access log.   However, I think this is only written once a person
has disconnected, which might make it fun for you to deal with.  But if
you're only bothered about the different clients that are used and not
exactly when they were connected then the access log will suit you just
fine.

Geoff.

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From scriven at lore.com  Sun Mar  2 02:47:21 2003
From: scriven at lore.com (Adam Scriven)
Date: Sat, 1 Mar 2003 18:47:21 -0800
Subject: [icecast] ices 'script' playlist information?
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On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 01:44:59AM -0000, Michael Smith wrote:
<much snippage, sacrificed to the bandwidth gods>

> No, you're exactly right.

Wow, I've never been exactly right before! :)

> The script module is relatively primitive - it was intended mostly as a
> somewhat useful, but simple proof-of-concept. The intent was to eventually
> (optionally) have stateful in-process scripts (using perl or python, as ices
> 0.x allows) as another playlist module.

OIC, Ok.
That makes sense, then.  I guess that explains why most of the documentation
still says "basic" is the only playlist type supported.

> I never got around to writing those - maybe someone (you?) is interested in
> doing so? I think the ices 0.x code for that should be adaptable to ices2
> without too much difficulty.

I would love too, but I'm not good enough with C, and I've got far too many
hobbies/things-on-my-plate as it is.
:(

I have some ideas for how to get around the simple system (using state-files,
as I mentioned before).  Basically, I'm interested (as I'm sure thousands of
other people are) in writing an internet-radio type of thing, with web
interface and whatnot.  I haven't found one of the available ones that I like,
really.

As an aside: For some reason, I always tend to fall back on doing my own
thing, recreating the wheel basically.  Most of the software written by
others, while excellent, doesn't have the specific features/interfaces that
I want, and I've always thought it was, I dunno, rude maybe, to ask for
features on someone else's project when all I could offer in return was to
use the software, and bug test it if that was requested.
I guess I just want a slightly different wheel, so I have to design it myself.

<more snippage.  must appease the bandwidth gods afterall>

> The communication between ices and icecast is essentially (apart from some
> optional connection negotiation stuff at the start) one-way only.

Yeah, that's what I had thought.
Thanks for the confirmations and info, Mike!
Adam
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Sun Mar  2 09:33:37 2003
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 10:33:37 +0100
Subject: [icecast] cvs problem...
Message-ID: <3E61CFF1.7090509@folkwang-hochschule.de>



hello everyone!

i have a problem checking out the icecast cvs. the checkout stalls after 
pulling timing/timing.h (no matter which module, they all seem to depend 
on it). i have to kill it after a while.
am i doing anything wrong, or is your cvs botched ?

for now, i'm using a nightly snapshot, but i can't find ices2 in it, so 
i tried to pull cvs. btw, the chroot feature is cool. i found that if 
the server is chrooted, the web and log paths must be relative to the 
new chroot, so maybe you could add a little note to the example conf file ?:

--- icecast.xml~        2003-03-02 10:32:19.000000000 +0100
+++ icecast.xml 2003-03-02 10:32:19.000000000 +0100
@@ -64,6 +64,11 @@

         <paths>
                 <basedir>/usr/local/icecast</basedir>
+               <!--
+                       if you use the chroot option (see below),
+                       the following paths must be relative to the
+                       new chroot directory!
+               -->
                 <logdir>/usr/local/icecast/logs</logdir>
                 <webroot>/usr/local/icecast/web</webroot>
         </paths>

best,

j?rn

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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Sun Mar  2 09:51:36 2003
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 10:51:36 +0100
Subject: [icecast] cvs problem...
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Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> hello everyone!
> 
> i have a problem checking out the icecast cvs. the checkout stalls after 
> pulling timing/timing.h (no matter which module, they all seem to depend 
> on it). i have to kill it after a while.
> am i doing anything wrong, or is your cvs botched ?

hmm. it seems that despite of the hang, the cvs compiles fine for me. 
sorry for wasting bandwidth.

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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au  Sun Mar  2 10:18:03 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 10:18:03 -0000
Subject: [icecast] cvs problem...
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Joern Nettingsmeier <nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de> said:

> hello everyone!
> 
> i have a problem checking out the icecast cvs. the checkout stalls after 
> pulling timing/timing.h (no matter which module, they all seem to depend 
> on it). i have to kill it after a while.
> am i doing anything wrong, or is your cvs botched ?

Nope, our cvs is fine. YOUR cvs client, on the other hand, is botched - it's
an old version with a bug in it (our cvs server is a recent version). If you
don't use -z (compression), the bug isn't triggered. Also, timing/timing.h is
the last file - this bug is triggered only at the very end, so you've actually
successfully checked everything out. It's ok to just kill the client at that
point (but preferable to update the cvs client or not use -z)

> 
> for now, i'm using a nightly snapshot, but i can't find ices2 in it, so 
> i tried to pull cvs. btw, the chroot feature is cool. i found that if 
> the server is chrooted, the web and log paths must be relative to the 
> new chroot, so maybe you could add a little note to the example conf file ?:
> 

Sensible enough suggestion. Thanks.

Mike

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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Sun Mar  2 11:40:31 2003
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Sun, 02 Mar 2003 12:40:31 +0100
Subject: [icecast] cvs problem...
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Michael Smith wrote:
> Joern Nettingsmeier <nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de> said:
> 
> 
>>hello everyone!
>>
>>i have a problem checking out the icecast cvs. the checkout stalls after 
>>pulling timing/timing.h (no matter which module, they all seem to depend
>>on it). i have to kill it after a while.
>>am i doing anything wrong, or is your cvs botched ?
> 
> 
> Nope, our cvs is fine. YOUR cvs client, on the other hand, is botched - it's
> an old version with a bug in it (our cvs server is a recent version). If you
> don't use -z (compression), the bug isn't triggered. Also, timing/timing.h is
> the last file - this bug is triggered only at the very end, so you've actually
> successfully checked everything out. It's ok to just kill the client at that
> point (but preferable to update the cvs client or not use -z)

ok, thanks for the info. i did indeed use compression. but since i'm 
using the latest suse distro, i thought my client was current enough - 
i'll update.

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From shawnmferris at yahoo.com  Sun Mar  2 15:42:04 2003
From: shawnmferris at yahoo.com (Shawn M Ferris)
Date: 02 Mar 2003 08:42:04 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Using icecast2 with MP3 problems
Message-ID: <1046619724.10218.19.camel@Dolly.VirtualSMF.net>


I've downloaded and compiled icecast from cvs and the ices-0.2.3 from
the download area for MP3 support.. (I'd use ogg, except I have 1000's
of mp3. I'll re-rip them, but not today) 8)

Is there a particular version of the icecast2 server that works w/ the
ices-0.2.3 I'm using? I'm having difficulty getting the two to
communicate.

>From ices, I get the errors:

Error during send: Mount failed on http://192.168.0.1:8000/ices.mp3,
error: Could not login on server. Server message:

and from the errorlog on icecast:

[2003-03-02  08:45:09] EROR connection/_handle_connection HTTP request
parsing failed

I would appreciate all help that anyone could provide! (Attached are my
configuration files)

Much thanks!
SMF 8)

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From djdij at handbags.freeserve.co.uk  Sun Mar  2 16:08:01 2003
From: djdij at handbags.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Blackwell)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 16:08:01 -0000
Subject: [icecast] Using icecast2 with MP3 problems
In-Reply-To: <1046619724.10218.19.camel@Dolly.VirtualSMF.net>
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Its my understanding that with any Icecast 2 source, you don't have to
re-rip  to get them to ogg, just tell your source to send vorbis instead of
mp3. At least thats how it works with Oddcast anyway.

> I've downloaded and compiled icecast from cvs and the ices-0.2.3 from
> the download area for MP3 support.. (I'd use ogg, except I have 1000's
> of mp3. I'll re-rip them, but not today) 8)
>
> Is there a particular version of the icecast2 server that works w/ the
> ices-0.2.3 I'm using? I'm having difficulty getting the two to
> communicate.
>
> >From ices, I get the errors:
>
> Error during send: Mount failed on http://192.168.0.1:8000/ices.mp3,
> error: Could not login on server. Server message:
>
> and from the errorlog on icecast:
>
> [2003-03-02  08:45:09] EROR connection/_handle_connection HTTP request
> parsing failed
>
> I would appreciate all help that anyone could provide! (Attached are my
> configuration files)
>
> Much thanks!
> SMF 8)
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From brendan at xiph.org  Sun Mar  2 16:08:17 2003
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 11:08:17 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Using icecast2 with MP3 problems
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On Sunday, 02 March 2003 at 08:42, Shawn M Ferris wrote:
> Is there a particular version of the icecast2 server that works w/ the
> ices-0.2.3 I'm using? I'm having difficulty getting the two to
> communicate.

Actually no icecast2 server works with ices 0.2.3. The versions of libshout2
and ices1 in CVS will work with icecast2 though.

libshout: :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot
ices: :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice

Check out the ices-libshout_2 branch of ices.

-b

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From boink at tetter.xs4all.nl  Sun Mar  2 22:38:50 2003
From: boink at tetter.xs4all.nl (boink)
Date: Sun, 2 Mar 2003 23:38:50 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Using Winamp for ogg streams/files
Message-ID: <20030302223850.GA29700@tetter.xs4all.nl>



hello,

It appears that Winamp 3 has problems playing ogg streams/files. I can't
say exactly since I don't use Windows myself. I tried the very alpha
Winamp for Linux and it was quite useless. 

This came from
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=67fc68ecaec04349ad8bb66483c3cbd1&threadid=126800
on the shoutcast/winamp forum:

"Ogg files become corrupted by adding ID3 tags, because they don't
natively support them. ID3 tags are intended for use with mp3 files
only. Please use Vorbis Comment tags only.
Winamp3's ogg decoder pukes by design on any ogg files with id3 tags."

thus, what is the best client for Windows users? Is Winamp 2.8 the best?
Many "normal" Windows users would like to try ogg but are hindered by
the lack of good software which support the ogg/vorbis format. 

b.

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From adam at xs4all.nl  Sun Mar  2 23:25:02 2003
From: adam at xs4all.nl (adam)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 00:25:02 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [icecast] Using Winamp for ogg streams/files
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yes, windows winamp 2.81 is the best

> Many "normal" Windows users would like to try ogg but are hindered by
> the lack of good software which support the ogg/vorbis format.

actually i did some research on this and found a very interesting
solution to it:
http://www.channel2000.com/sh/technology/consumernews/national-technology-consumernews-19991105-232220.html

adam

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Mon Mar  3 05:36:21 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:36:21 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Using icecast2 with MP3 problems
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On Sun, 2 Mar 2003, Martin Blackwell wrote:

> Its my understanding that with any Icecast 2 source, you don't have to
> re-rip  to get them to ogg, just tell your source to send vorbis instead of
> mp3. At least thats how it works with Oddcast anyway.

AFAIK, there are no unix streamers that will read in MP3 files and spit out
a vorbis stream to an icecast2 server.  Ices 0.x will go the other way for
sending MP3 streams.  When I first asked about this ages ago, Mike said
he'd be happy to see this functionality added, but that he wasn't
interested in writing it himself ... but that was prior to the decoder
patents so who knows now.

Geoff.

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Mon Mar  3 05:39:08 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:39:08 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Using icecast2 with MP3 problems
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On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Geoff Shang wrote:

> When I first asked about this ages ago, Mike said
> he'd be happy to see this functionality added, but that he wasn't
> interested in writing it himself ... but that was prior to the decoder
> patents so who knows now.

Of course, I meant decoder royalties.  Duh.

Geoff.

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From shawnmferris at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  3 06:42:13 2003
From: shawnmferris at yahoo.com (Shawn M Ferris)
Date: 02 Mar 2003 23:42:13 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Using icecast2 with MP3 problems
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> libshout: :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot
> ices: :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice
> 
> Check out the ices-libshout_2 branch of ices.

Libshout compiles fine, but ices wont configure correctly. It wouldn't
find shout_new in libshout, lame_encode_flush_nogap in mp3lame 
nor ov_open in libvorbisfile.. (nor is libtool found, but I copied it 
from libshout.)

But yet:
$ nm /opt/ice/lib/libshout.so | grep shout_new
00003e38 T shout_new

$ nm /usr/lib/libmp3lame.so | grep lame_encode_flush_nogap
000145e8 T lame_encode_flush_nogap

$ nm /usr/lib/libvorbisfile.so | grep ov_open
00002cd0 T ov_open

I'm chalking this up to compiler configuration? yet, if I trick it,
everything compiles fine. But.. I still can't get ices to communicate
with icecase:

>From icecast/error.log (Incidently, i've not gotten any messages other than
this. The one from ices.log changes as I make progress)
[2003-03-02  23:37:39] EROR connection/_handle_connection HTTP request parsing failed

>From ices.log
Error during send: Mount failed on http://192.168.0.1:8000/ices.mp3, error: Socket error

Any help, anyone? I know enough c to be dangerous and Im guessing Im getting out
of my league now.. Should I concentrate my efforts on icecast1?  Or continue
to hack at it.

Thanks again!
SMF 8)

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From brendan at xiph.org  Mon Mar  3 06:52:49 2003
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 01:52:49 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Using icecast2 with MP3 problems
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On Sunday, 02 March 2003 at 23:42, Shawn M Ferris wrote:
> Libshout compiles fine, but ices wont configure correctly. It wouldn't
> find shout_new in libshout, lame_encode_flush_nogap in mp3lame 
> nor ov_open in libvorbisfile.. (nor is libtool found, but I copied it 
> from libshout.)

interesting. your config.log might help to debug this.

> I'm chalking this up to compiler configuration? yet, if I trick it,
> everything compiles fine. But.. I still can't get ices to communicate
> with icecase:
> 
> >From icecast/error.log (Incidently, i've not gotten any messages other than
> this. The one from ices.log changes as I make progress)
> [2003-03-02  23:37:39] EROR connection/_handle_connection HTTP request parsing failed

Have you set the protocol to http in ices.conf?

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From leo.currie at strath.ac.uk  Mon Mar  3 13:04:28 2003
From: leo.currie at strath.ac.uk (Leo Currie)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 13:04:28 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Multiple OGG streams?
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Message-ID: <3E6352DC.1080509@strath.ac.uk>



Martin Blackwell wrote:
[snip]

>>Use Oddsocks' stream Transcoder to lower the bitrate of the broadband
>>    
>>
>stream
>  
>
>>www.oddsock.org
>>and
>>http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=59041
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>Forgot to add- Just setup ur oddsock build of Icecast, using winamp 2 with
>Oddcast sending high-bitrate audio for ur broadband stream to your Icecast
>server.
>Then setup StreamTranscoder to read this stream and send another stream back
>to the Icecast server at the narrowband bitrate
>
The other way of doing it is to use a dsp stacker (winamp plugin) to 
have 2 instances of Oddcast running concurrently. This has the advantage 
of keeping the two streams more closely in sync.
Maybe try MuchFX? 
http://classic.winamp.com/plugins/detail.jhtml?componentId=775

Leo

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From shawnmferris at yahoo.com  Mon Mar  3 14:15:43 2003
From: shawnmferris at yahoo.com (Shawn M Ferris)
Date: 03 Mar 2003 07:15:43 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Using icecast2 with MP3 problems
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> interesting. your config.log might help to debug this.

I'll get details from this tonight.. 8)

> Have you set the protocol to http in ices.conf?

Um.. no.. I do now, though. He he. The two appear to be
working now. 8) (I haven't actually listened to the stream
yet, but they're communicating. icecast and ices that is)

Thanks for the help!

SMF 8)

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Mon Mar  3 14:41:58 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Mon, 03 Mar 2003 08:41:58 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Multiple OGG streams?
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At 01:04 PM 3/3/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>The other way of doing it is to use a dsp stacker (winamp plugin) to have 
>2 instances of Oddcast running concurrently. This has the advantage of 
>keeping the two streams more closely in sync.
>Maybe try MuchFX? 
>http://classic.winamp.com/plugins/detail.jhtml?componentId=775
>
>Leo
>
if you are going to stack, use this plugin, it's far superior :

http://classic.winamp.com/plugins/detail.jhtml?componentId=128742

oddsock

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From adon at YorkU.CA  Mon Mar  3 15:27:17 2003
From: adon at YorkU.CA (Adon Irani)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:27:17 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] vote f0r OGG ! winamp3 wish list .,
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 i was just lo0king at the winamp3 forums . there's a wish list , and i
was the very first pers0n to request OGG !

but there's h0pe ..


--
We're Counting

We are now counting individual requests so see what should be high on the
priority list. So, if you have a feature you want, add it here.

Better yet though, use the Search feature at the bottom. If you see a
thread that matches your wish, feel free to add a "me too"

But don't take it too far. Please don't flood out this forum so the
counting become almost impossible.

Thanks.
--[
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108853&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
]

this is the first post on the forum .
, so consider connecting in and speakin' up (as the post-reply b0t says )
and register your dissent .

the guy who wrote this actually has OGG Vorbis listed in his tag , so if
enough of us add a request, it may become a priority .

thanks !

 a:/,
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From adon at YorkU.CA  Mon Mar  3 15:37:48 2003
From: adon at YorkU.CA (Adon Irani)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 10:37:48 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] vote f0r OGG ! winamp3 wish list .,
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.50.0303030919100.21814-100000@sunburn.ccs.yorku.ca>
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 hm ., as i was typing this msg, i got a reply fr0m the forums . ogg is
now supported in winamp3 ?!  i hadn't realized .,

great great , but sorry for the added posts .,

 a:/,

On Mon, 3 Mar 2003, Adon Irani wrote:

>
>  i was just lo0king at the winamp3 forums . there's a wish list , and i
> was the very first pers0n to request OGG !
>
> but there's h0pe ..
>
> --
> We're Counting
>
> We are now counting individual requests so see what should be high on the
> priority list. So, if you have a feature you want, add it here.
>
> Better yet though, use the Search feature at the bottom. If you see a
> thread that matches your wish, feel free to add a "me too"
>
> But don't take it too far. Please don't flood out this forum so the
> counting become almost impossible.
>
> Thanks.
> --[
> http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=108853&perpage=40&pagenumber=1
> ]
>
> this is the first post on the forum .
> , so consider connecting in and speakin' up (as the post-reply b0t says )
> and register your dissent .
>
> the guy who wrote this actually has OGG Vorbis listed in his tag , so if
> enough of us add a request, it may become a priority .
>
> thanks !
>
>  a:/,
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From geezer at freesounds.net  Mon Mar  3 16:41:30 2003
From: geezer at freesounds.net (geezer at freesounds.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 11:41:30 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] vote f0r OGG ! winamp3 wish list .,
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When I played with WinAmp3, it didn't seem to parse the title/artists info
correctly.  I've also heard from listeners that the stream breaks and
rebuffers more in WinAmp3 than in the older 2.81

Maybe they've improved it since then.

g.

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From ronnie at mixsessions.com  Mon Mar  3 20:03:15 2003
From: ronnie at mixsessions.com (ronnie at mixsessions.com)
Date: Mon, 3 Mar 2003 15:03:15 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Using icecast2 with MP3 problems
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How can I get older cvs versions of ices compatible with icecast2. I tried looking through xiph.org
and the cvs repository.

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From steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com  Wed Mar  5 06:24:10 2003
From: steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com (steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 09:24:10 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [icecast] Icecast-1
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Hello ...

>From the icecast website (www.icecast.com) i found the following info
> (i copy-pasted it):

{

Note that icecast-1 is deprecated and unsupported, and may possibly
induce nausea in small children, hair loss in men, and estrogen
fluctuations in women.

If, for some reason, you absolutely must have ancient versions of
icecast (possibly for historic preservation), download icecast 1.3.12.
Note that this is deprecated and unsupported.

}

I have a project whereby it is required to multicast audio streams. I'm
so much interested with icecast-2 , but it doesn't support multicast.
The 'LiveCaster" application can multicast audio streams from icecast,
but it can only multicast mp3 audio streams. So, it can't be used with
icecast-2 as icecast-2 streams Ogg Vorbis streams.

> From there i got tempted to use icecast-1, which streams mp3 files. But
that info i found from icecast site, worries me.Can anybody explain more
to me about the side effects of icecast-1? So, does it mean that icecast-1
must not be used anymore? Have WHO said a word about it?

If it is true that icecast-1 must not be used, can somebody advice me of
an alternative?

Thanks,
Steven

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Wed Mar  5 07:04:40 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 17:04:40 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Icecast-1
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On Wed, 5 Mar 2003 steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com wrote:

> The 'LiveCaster" application can multicast audio streams from icecast,
> but it can only multicast mp3 audio streams. So, it can't be used with
> icecast-2 as icecast-2 streams Ogg Vorbis streams.

icecast2 will also do MP3 streams.

icecast1.x works perfectly well, but most of its functions are now
available with icecast2 (and more), and it is no longer under development
and no official (read developer) support is given to it anymore.  There
are, of course, icecast 1.x users on this list who can answer questions.
but it seems that a lot of people are getting their feet wet with icecast2,
as it nears release status.

Geoff.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar  5 07:44:02 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 18:44:02 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast-1
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> I have a project whereby it is required to multicast audio streams. I'm
> so much interested with icecast-2 , but it doesn't support multicast.
> The 'LiveCaster" application can multicast audio streams from icecast,
> but it can only multicast mp3 audio streams. So, it can't be used with
> icecast-2 as icecast-2 streams Ogg Vorbis streams.

icecast2 has full and complete support for mp3 as well as vorbis.

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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Wed Mar  5 08:13:26 2003
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 09:13:26 +0100
Subject: [icecast] test load for icecast2 ?
Message-ID: <3E65B1A6.7000707@folkwang-hochschule.de>



hello everyone!

first of all, thanks to all software authors and documentation writers 
for a great piece of work !

i'm test-driving an icecast2 relay on a rather crappy network 
connection. to hammer on it, i was listening to the stream with xmms 
while doing a couple of parallel wget -O - http://..mystream 2&>1 
 >/dev/null from another machine. however, as few as 5 parallel wgets 
would reproducably stall the streaming .
is wget not a suitable test load, or did i do something wrong in my 
icecast setup ?

best,

j?rn

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From steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com  Wed Mar  5 08:46:01 2003
From: steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com (steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:46:01 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [icecast] Icecast-1
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Hello everybody,

>> I have a project whereby it is required to multicast audio streams.
>> I'm so much interested with icecast-2 , but it doesn't support
>> multicast. The 'LiveCaster" application can multicast audio streams
>> from icecast, but it can only multicast mp3 audio streams. So, it
>> can't be used with icecast-2 as icecast-2 streams Ogg Vorbis streams.
>
> icecast2 has full and complete support for mp3 as well as vorbis.
>
Thanks very much for your splendid advice,
So, to support mp3 then i have to use ices-0.2.3.tar.gz instead of ices2,
isn't it? Please advice me there, as when i looked into ices2 XML files it
seemed like they are for Ogg Vorbis only.

Thanks,
Steven
Dar es Salaam
Tanzania
>
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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar  5 09:09:08 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 20:09:08 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast-1
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Message-ID: <200303052009.08013.msmith@xiph.org>



On Wednesday 05 March 2003 19:46, steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com wrote:
> Hello everybody,
>
> >> I have a project whereby it is required to multicast audio streams.
> >> I'm so much interested with icecast-2 , but it doesn't support
> >> multicast. The 'LiveCaster" application can multicast audio streams
> >> from icecast, but it can only multicast mp3 audio streams. So, it
> >> can't be used with icecast-2 as icecast-2 streams Ogg Vorbis streams.
> >
> > icecast2 has full and complete support for mp3 as well as vorbis.
>
> Thanks very much for your splendid advice,
> So, to support mp3 then i have to use ices-0.2.3.tar.gz instead of ices2,
> isn't it? Please advice me there, as when i looked into ices2 XML files it
> seemed like they are for Ogg Vorbis only.
>

You need ices 0.x if you want to do mp3. I think you need the cvs version, I 
think.

Mike

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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar  5 09:12:13 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 20:12:13 +1100
Subject: [icecast] test load for icecast2 ?
In-Reply-To: <3E65B1A6.7000707@folkwang-hochschule.de>
Message-ID: <200303052012.13365.msmith@xiph.org>



On Wednesday 05 March 2003 19:13, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> hello everyone!
>
> first of all, thanks to all software authors and documentation writers
> for a great piece of work !
>
> i'm test-driving an icecast2 relay on a rather crappy network
> connection. to hammer on it, i was listening to the stream with xmms
> while doing a couple of parallel wget -O - http://..mystream 2&>1
>
>  >/dev/null from another machine. however, as few as 5 parallel wgets
>
> would reproducably stall the streaming .
> is wget not a suitable test load, or did i do something wrong in my
> icecast setup ?

icecast has no way to prioritise its network traffic over what other things 
are doing - so if you have lots of other traffic taking up as much bandwidth 
as they can (wget gets stuff as fast as possible), it'll tend to drown out 
the (close-enough to constant for these purposes) bandwidth usage of 
icecast2. 

You can (depends on your operating system) generally use kernel-level features 
to throttle individual connections so that no one (or 5) connections can take 
ALL the available bandwidth - it's probably even possible (again, depends on 
your system) to reserve bandwidth specifically for icecast2. I'm not an 
expert here - but there's LOTS of information available just a web search 
away if you want to know more.

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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Wed Mar  5 10:14:52 2003
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Jörn Nettingsmeier)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:14:52 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [icecast] test load for icecast2 ?
In-Reply-To: <200303052012.13365.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303051111230.2816-100000@spunk.villakunterbunt.netz>



On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Michael Smith wrote:

> On Wednesday 05 March 2003 19:13, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> > i'm test-driving an icecast2 relay on a rather crappy network
> > connection. to hammer on it, i was listening to the stream with xmms
> > while doing a couple of parallel wget -O - http://..mystream 2&>1
> >
> >  >/dev/null from another machine. however, as few as 5 parallel wgets
> >
> > would reproducably stall the streaming .
> > is wget not a suitable test load, or did i do something wrong in my
> > icecast setup ?
>
> icecast has no way to prioritise its network traffic over what other things
> are doing - so if you have lots of other traffic taking up as much bandwidth
> as they can (wget gets stuff as fast as possible), it'll tend to drown out
> the (close-enough to constant for these purposes) bandwidth usage of
> icecast2.

i'm aware of that, but i used wget on the *stream*, and that should not
come in any faster than with the stream's bitrate, right ?
i was wondering if it's wget that's confusing the icecast2 server, or if
my setup just isn't up to the load...

how do you guys do stress-tests ?

regards,

joern

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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar  5 10:39:59 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 21:39:59 +1100
Subject: [icecast] test load for icecast2 ?
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Message-ID: <200303052139.59466.msmith@xiph.org>



On Wednesday 05 March 2003 21:14, J?rn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Michael Smith wrote:
> > On Wednesday 05 March 2003 19:13, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> > > i'm test-driving an icecast2 relay on a rather crappy network
> > > connection. to hammer on it, i was listening to the stream with xmms
> > > while doing a couple of parallel wget -O - http://..mystream 2&>1
> > >
> > >  >/dev/null from another machine. however, as few as 5 parallel wgets
> > >
> > > would reproducably stall the streaming .
> > > is wget not a suitable test load, or did i do something wrong in my
> > > icecast setup ?
> >
> > icecast has no way to prioritise its network traffic over what other
> > things are doing - so if you have lots of other traffic taking up as much
> > bandwidth as they can (wget gets stuff as fast as possible), it'll tend
> > to drown out the (close-enough to constant for these purposes) bandwidth
> > usage of icecast2.
>
> i'm aware of that, but i used wget on the *stream*, and that should not
> come in any faster than with the stream's bitrate, right ?
> i was wondering if it's wget that's confusing the icecast2 server, or if
> my setup just isn't up to the load...

Oops. My apologies - I misread what you originally said. Just how crappy _is_ 
your "rather crappy network connection"? wget should work fine.

>
> how do you guys do stress-tests ?

Usually "nc". Though I ran out of cpu last time I did that at around 3000 
clients (on an oldish machine, and older icecast2 code).

Mike

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From john at io.com  Wed Mar  5 12:40:49 2003
From: john at io.com (John Buttery)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 06:40:49 -0600
Subject: [icecast] test load for icecast2 ?
In-Reply-To: <200303052012.13365.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <20030305124049.GC8279@io.com>


* Michael Smith <msmith at xiph.org> [2003-03-05 20:12:13 +1100]:
> You can (depends on your operating system) generally use kernel-level features 
> to throttle individual connections so that no one (or 5) connections can take 
> ALL the available bandwidth - it's probably even possible (again, depends on 
> your system) to reserve bandwidth specifically for icecast2. I'm not an 
> expert here - but there's LOTS of information available just a web search 
> away if you want to know more.

  http://www.lartc.org/ is a great resource for learning how to do the
above on a GNU/Linux system... 


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From toni_guga at lycos.it  Wed Mar  5 15:45:02 2003
From: toni_guga at lycos.it (stream)
Date: 05 Mar 2003 16:45:02 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast-1
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Yes you need the last ices-0.2.3 (you can get it from CVS), so you can
stream mp3 to ICECAST2. :-)

<p>On Wed, 2003-03-05 at 09:46, steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com wrote:
    Hello everybody,
    
    >> I have a project whereby it is required to multicast audio streams 
    >> I'm so much interested with icecast-2 , but it doesn't support
    >> multicast. The 'LiveCaster" application can multicast audio streams
    >> from icecast, but it can only multicast mp3 audio streams. So, it
    >> can't be used with icecast-2 as icecast-2 streams Ogg Vorbis streams 
    >
    > icecast2 has full and complete support for mp3 as well as vorbis 
    >
    Thanks very much for your splendid advice,
    So, to support mp3 then i have to use ices-0.2.3.tar.gz instead of ices2,
    isn't it? Please advice me there, as when i looked into ices2 XML files it
    seemed like they are for Ogg Vorbis only 
    
    Thanks,
    Steven
    Dar es Salaam
    Tanzania
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From brendan at xiph.org  Wed Mar  5 16:30:44 2003
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 11:30:44 -0500
Subject: [icecast] CVS changes
Message-ID: <20030305163043.GC528@watanabe.kublai.com>



To all CVS users of ices 0.x:

I've just merged the ices-libshout_2 branch onto HEAD. Anyone using that branch
should switch back to HEAD to continue to get the latest updates.

This also means you now need the latest version of libshout2 from CVS in order
to build ices from CVS.

libshout2: :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot libshout
ices:      :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice ices

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From hans.huberland at rackspace.co.uk  Wed Mar  5 06:06:46 2003
From: hans.huberland at rackspace.co.uk (Hans Huberland)
Date: 05 Mar 2003 06:06:46 +0000
Subject: [icecast] libxml error (or am I just being dumb?)
Message-ID: <1046844405.16693.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>



I've been trying to compile ices and icecast all night.  I have narrowed
the problem down to libxml.  I have tried several rpms of libxml2 and
libxml2-devel all to no avail.  I don't expect support on this alpha
release but just a reply to say that it's a common issue or wether I am
just a dunce would be nice. :)

Thanks
Hans

The follwing are installed by RPM:
libxml2-2.4.23-1
libxml2-devel-2.4.23-1
libxml-devel-1.8.14-2
libxml-1.8.14-2
libxslt-1.0.7-2
libxslt-devel-1.0.7-2

<p>make[2]: Entering directory `/root/ices-2.0/src'
gcc -DPACKAGE=\"ices\" -DVERSION=\"2.0\" -DHAVE_DLFCN_H=1
-DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_STDINT_H=1  -I. -I.  -Inet -Ithread -Iavl -Ilog
-Itiming -DHAVE_OSS     -O20 -ffast-math -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT
-D_GNU_SOURCE -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/include -I/include -I/include -c
encode.c
encode.c: In function `encode_initialise':
encode.c:91: storage size of `ai' isn't known
encode.c:92: `OV_ECTL_RATEMANAGE_GET' undeclared (first use in this
function)
encode.c:92: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
encode.c:92: for each function it appears in.)
encode.c:96: `OV_ECTL_RATEMANAGE_SET' undeclared (first use in this
function)
encode.c:101: `OV_ECTL_RATEMANAGE_AVG' undeclared (first use in this
function)
make[2]: *** [encode.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/ices-2.0/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/ices-2.0/src'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1

and for icecast:

make[2]: Entering directory `/root/icecast-2.0-alpha-1/src'
gcc -DPACKAGE=\"icecast\" -DVERSION=\"2.0-alpha-1\" -DHAVE_DLFCN_H=1
-DHAVE_IPV6=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_STDINT_H=1 -DCHUID=1 -DCHROOT=1 
-I. -I.  -I./net -I./thread -I./avl -I./httpp         -I./log
-I./timing    -g -O20 -ffast-math -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT
-D_GNU_SOURCE -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include
-I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/include -I/include -c config.c
gcc -DPACKAGE=\"icecast\" -DVERSION=\"2.0-alpha-1\" -DHAVE_DLFCN_H=1
-DHAVE_IPV6=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_STDINT_H=1 -DCHUID=1 -DCHROOT=1 
-I. -I.  -I./net -I./thread -I./avl -I./httpp         -I./log
-I./timing    -g -O20 -ffast-math -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT
-D_GNU_SOURCE -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include
-I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/include -I/include -c main.c
In file included from xslt.h:5,
                 from main.c:29:
/usr/include/libxslt/xslt.h:51: syntax error before `extern'
/usr/include/libxslt/xslt.h:58: syntax error before `extern'
/usr/include/libxslt/xslt.h:65: syntax error before `extern'
/usr/include/libxslt/xslt.h:72: syntax error before `extern'
make[2]: *** [main.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/icecast-2.0-alpha-1/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/icecast-2.0-alpha-1/src'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Wed Mar  5 21:54:36 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 07:54:36 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] libxml error (or am I just being dumb?)
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On 5 Mar 2003, Hans Huberland wrote:

> The follwing are installed by RPM:
> libxml2-2.4.23-1
> libxml2-devel-2.4.23-1
> libxml-devel-1.8.14-2
> libxml-1.8.14-2
> libxslt-1.0.7-2
> libxslt-devel-1.0.7-2

I'm pretty sure you need a newer libxslt than this.  Don't know what the
minimum is, but I have 1.0.16.

> encode.c: In function `encode_initialise':
> encode.c:91: storage size of `ai' isn't known
> encode.c:92: `OV_ECTL_RATEMANAGE_GET' undeclared (first use in this
> function)
> encode.c:92: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> encode.c:92: for each function it appears in.)
> encode.c:96: `OV_ECTL_RATEMANAGE_SET' undeclared (first use in this
> function)
> encode.c:101: `OV_ECTL_RATEMANAGE_AVG' undeclared (first use in this
> function)
> make[2]: *** [encode.o] Error 1

What version of libvorbis do you have installed?  These are vorbis
items.

Geoff.

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From alain.swicher at bluewin.ch  Wed Mar  5 23:10:51 2003
From: alain.swicher at bluewin.ch (alain.swicher at bluewin.ch)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 00:10:51 +0100
Subject: [icecast] m3u - mine type
Message-ID: <3E6356C100003B31@mss1n.bluewin.ch>



Hi icecast,

I'm having a "bizarre" problem with the m3u extension.
I read somewhere to add ".m3u" in a link on a web page to make winamp
load and play the stream.

It works very fine, but ONLY in my LAN.
When I call http://192.168.1.2:8002/status.xsl, i got the "click here to
listen" which is link to the moint point + .m3u (/MyStream.ogg.m3u)
I click, winamp load and play the stream. --> Perfect!

But, i then checked from to outside, so I unplugged from the LAN, use a
modem to connect the net through my ISP, 
I got a dyndns.org account with a client that keep the IP address of my
server up to date. 
I open my page witch is http://modulo.mine.nu:8002/status.xsl
I see my page from the net, with the same "click here to listen"; when I
click, winamp load BUT don't stream.
If I play the location from winamp
(http://modulo.mine.nu:8002/MyStream.ogg) it works.(!)

Does anyone have an idea / clue? It definitely has to do with my ISP,
but how?

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Wed Mar  5 23:20:14 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Wed, 05 Mar 2003 17:20:14 -0600
Subject: [icecast] m3u - mine type
In-Reply-To: <3E6356C100003B31@mss1n.bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030305171901.02e73090@www.oddsock.org>



put <hostname>modulo.mine.nu</hostname> in your config, and use 
<bind_address>192.168.1.2</bind_address> to bind to your local 
address....the m3u generator in icecast2 build the listen link based off 
your hostname defined in the config file..

oddsock
At 12:10 AM 3/6/2003 +0100, you wrote:
>Hi icecast,
>
>I'm having a "bizarre" problem with the m3u extension.
>I read somewhere to add ".m3u" in a link on a web page to make winamp
>load and play the stream.
>
>It works very fine, but ONLY in my LAN.
>When I call http://192.168.1.2:8002/status.xsl, i got the "click here to
>listen" which is link to the moint point + .m3u (/MyStream.ogg.m3u)
>I click, winamp load and play the stream. --> Perfect!
>
>But, i then checked from to outside, so I unplugged from the LAN, use a
>modem to connect the net through my ISP,
>I got a dyndns.org account with a client that keep the IP address of my
>server up to date.
>I open my page witch is http://modulo.mine.nu:8002/status.xsl
>I see my page from the net, with the same "click here to listen"; when I
>click, winamp load BUT don't stream.
>If I play the location from winamp
>(http://modulo.mine.nu:8002/MyStream.ogg) it works.(!)
>
>Does anyone have an idea / clue? It definitely has to do with my ISP,
>but how?
>
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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar  5 23:25:11 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 10:25:11 +1100
Subject: [icecast] libxml error (or am I just being dumb?)
In-Reply-To: <1046844405.16693.27.camel@localhost.localdomain>
Message-ID: <200303061025.11424.msmith@xiph.org>



On Wednesday 05 March 2003 17:06, Hans Huberland wrote:
> I've been trying to compile ices and icecast all night.  I have narrowed
> the problem down to libxml.  I have tried several rpms of libxml2 and
> libxml2-devel all to no avail.  I don't expect support on this alpha
> release but just a reply to say that it's a common issue or wether I am
> just a dunce would be nice. :)

The error message you give for ices2 suggests that you have an out of date 
libvorbis installed - you need to install version 1.0.

I'm not sure what the problem is with your xslt headers, maybe someone else 
can help there?

Mike

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From adon at yorku.ca  Thu Mar  6 00:19:39 2003
From: adon at yorku.ca (Adon Irani)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 19:19:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Header read failed .
In-Reply-To: <20030305163043.GC528@watanabe.kublai.com>
Message-ID: <Pine.SOL.4.50.0303051914550.24345-100000@sunrise.ccs.yorku.ca>



 i've been noticing all this talk about status.xsl pages and wanted to see
them for myself ;  so i download the latest snapshots of icecast and
libshout (as i was using the ~msmith tarballs before ) . i compiled them
w/ the xslt-dev debian packages added and everything lo0ked good .

i stopped the icecast server - make install'd - and started the
icecast-server script .,

fileserve works fine ..  but the relay server is broken . and i still get
: >The file you requested could not be found from
http://thedv8network.com:8000/status.xsl

i can listen to the live feed from my studio on
schemin.thedv8network.com:8000/dialup.ogg , but the relay at
thedv8network.com:8000/dialup.ogg does not work .

instead , i get : :

[2003-03-05  19:07:47] INFO main/main icecast server started
[2003-03-05  19:07:47] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
[2003-03-05  19:09:48] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
[2003-03-05  19:11:50] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
[2003-03-05  19:13:52] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
[2003-03-05  19:15:53] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
[2003-03-05  19:17:53] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed

.\

please advise .,

thanks  .

 a:/,

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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au  Thu Mar  6 01:22:00 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:22:00 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Header read failed .
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Message-ID: <20030306012200.5AA195D583@dampier.southern.net.au>



Adon Irani <adon at yorku.ca> said:

> 
>  i've been noticing all this talk about status.xsl pages and wanted to see
> them for myself ;  so i download the latest snapshots of icecast and
> libshout (as i was using the ~msmith tarballs before ) . i compiled them
> w/ the xslt-dev debian packages added and everything lo0ked good .
> 
> i stopped the icecast server - make install'd - and started the
> icecast-server script .,
> 
> fileserve works fine ..  but the relay server is broken . and i still get
> : >The file you requested could not be found from
> http://thedv8network.com:8000/status.xsl

One of the main reasons we haven't done a 2.0 release yet is that
autoconf/automake need work - they don't install things properly. You'll have
to manually install the status.xsl file and configure webroot to point at the
directory it is installed in.

> 
> i can listen to the live feed from my studio on
> schemin.thedv8network.com:8000/dialup.ogg , but the relay at
> thedv8network.com:8000/dialup.ogg does not work .
> 
> instead , i get : :
> 
> [2003-03-05  19:07:47] INFO main/main icecast server started
> [2003-03-05  19:07:47] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
> [2003-03-05  19:09:48] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
> [2003-03-05  19:11:50] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
> [2003-03-05  19:13:52] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
> [2003-03-05  19:15:53] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
> [2003-03-05  19:17:53] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
> 
> .\
> 

Relaying works for me and many others. Perhaps you should send your config
files to the list?

Mike

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From adon at yorku.ca  Thu Mar  6 01:38:22 2003
From: adon at yorku.ca (Adon Irani)
Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 20:38:22 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Header read failed .
In-Reply-To: <20030306012200.5AA195D583@dampier.southern.net.au>
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> > [2003-03-05  19:15:53] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
> > [2003-03-05  19:17:53] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
> >
> > .\
> >
>
> Relaying works for me and many others. Perhaps you should send your config
> files to the list?
>
> Mike
>
> --- >8 ----

it is strange because this JUST happened after i did the upgrade . i am
now running the same cvs snapshot (today's from xiph.org web interface )
on both the studio machine and the relay/ main webserver .,

i'll include the .xml files now .

thanks for the speedy reply !


--

from mystifly - the main webserver , relay server

http://thedv8network.com

[

<icecast>
	<location>theDV8network.com . </location>
	<admin>adon at theDV8network.com</admin>

	<limits>
		<clients>100</clients>
		<sources>7</sources>
		<threadpool>7</threadpool>
		<client-timeout>30</client-timeout>
		<header-timeout>15</header-timeout>
		<source-timeout>10</source-timeout>
	</limits>

	<source-password> n o t f y i </source-password>
	<relay-password> n o t f y i </relay-password>

	<directory>
		<touch-freq>5</touch-freq>
		<server>
			<host>yp.icecast.org</host>
			<touch-freq>15</touch-freq>
		</server>
	</directory>

	<hostname>theDV8network.com</hostname>
	<port>8000</port>
	<!--<bind-address>127.0.0.1</bind-address>-->

	<master-server>schemin.thedv8network.com</master-server>
	<master-server-port>8000</master-server-port>
    	<master-update-interval>120</master-update-interval>
    	<master-password> n o t f y i </master-password>

    <fileserve>1</fileserve>

    <paths>
            <basedir>/home/dv8/livedump</basedir>
            <logdir>/home/dv8/livedump/log</logdir>
            <webroot>/home/dv8/archives/dv8_shows</webroot>
    </paths>

	<logging>
		<accesslog>access.log</accesslog>
		<errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
        <loglevel>3</loglevel> <!-- 4 Debug, 3 Info, 2 Warn, 1 Error -->
	</logging>

    <security>
        <chroot>0</chroot>
        <changeowner>
            <user>dv8</user>
            <group>dv8</group>
        </changeowner>
    </security>
</icecast>

<p>]

<p>---

and from schemin , the studio server that is always running ices
(hispeed.ogg, dialup.ogg  mountpoints ) , and should be the source feed
for mystifLY . this is also where all the archives are recorded from .

[

<icecast>
	<location>theDV8network.com . </location>
	<admin>adon at theDV8network.com</admin>

	<limits>
		<clients>100</clients>
		<sources>3</sources>
		<threadpool>7</threadpool>
		<client-timeout>30</client-timeout>
		<header-timeout>15</header-timeout>
		<source-timeout>10</source-timeout>
	</limits>

	<source-password> n o t f y i </source-password>
	<relay-password> n o t f y i </relay-password>

	<directory>
		<touch-freq>5</touch-freq>
		<server>
			<host>yp.icecast.org</host>
			<touch-freq>15</touch-freq>
		</server>
	</directory>

	<hostname>localhost</hostname>
	<port>8000</port>
	<!--<bind-address>127.0.0.1</bind-address>-->

	<!--<master-server>127.0.0.1</master-server>-->
	<!--<master-server-port>8001</master-server-port>-->
    <!--<master-update-interval>120</master-update-interval>-->
    <!--<master-password>hackme</master-password>-->

    <fileserve>1</fileserve>

    <paths>
            <basedir>/home/dv8/livedump</basedir>
            <logdir>/home/dv8/livedump/log</logdir>
            <webroot>/home/dv8/archives/dv8_shows.sent</webroot>
    </paths>

	<logging>
		<accesslog>access.log</accesslog>
		<errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
        <loglevel>4</loglevel> <!-- 4 Debug, 3 Info, 2 Warn, 1 Error -->
	</logging>

    <security>
        <chroot>0</chroot>
        <changeowner>
            <user>dv8</user>
            <group>dv8</group>
        </changeowner>
    </security>
</icecast>

]

<p>.thanks .,

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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au  Thu Mar  6 01:42:13 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 12:42:13 +1100
Subject: [icecast] m3u - mine type
In-Reply-To: <3E6356C100003B31@mss1n.bluewin.ch>
Message-ID: <20030306014212.D5C085D525@dampier.southern.net.au>



alain.swicher at bluewin.ch said:

> Hi icecast,
> 
> I'm having a "bizarre" problem with the m3u extension.
> I read somewhere to add ".m3u" in a link on a web page to make winamp
> load and play the stream.
> 
> It works very fine, but ONLY in my LAN.
> When I call http://192.168.1.2:8002/status.xsl, i got the "click here to
> listen" which is link to the moint point + .m3u (/MyStream.ogg.m3u)
> I click, winamp load and play the stream. --> Perfect!
> 
> But, i then checked from to outside, so I unplugged from the LAN, use a
> modem to connect the net through my ISP, 
> I got a dyndns.org account with a client that keep the IP address of my
> server up to date. 
> I open my page witch is http://modulo.mine.nu:8002/status.xsl
> I see my page from the net, with the same "click here to listen"; when I
> click, winamp load BUT don't stream.
> If I play the location from winamp
> (http://modulo.mine.nu:8002/MyStream.ogg) it works.(!)
> 
> Does anyone have an idea / clue? It definitely has to do with my ISP,
> but how?
> 

You have the hostname and port of the server misconfigured in your icecast
config file. icecast2 obviously needs those to be correct so that it can
generate a URL to send to your media player.

Mike

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From mike at linuxlink.com  Thu Mar  6 06:09:18 2003
From: mike at linuxlink.com (mike)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 00:09:18 -0600
Subject: [icecast] bad password
Message-ID: <3E66E60E.7000701@linuxlink.com>



I have icecast2 on gentoo running on this laptop.  I have ices from CVS 
running on a G3.  AFAICT the config files are right. <below>  It tries 
to connect, says it is then bad password.  Is there somewhere else this
password may be that I do not know of?

Besides hackme, I have tried xxxxx   xxxxxx   letmein   etc.  in both 
files.. no joy.

also, when i use the run_ices commandline withthe appropriate password, 
it seems to get past the password fine, but something else goes wrong. 
When i use the live.xml which is generated it fails with bad password. 
as best i can tell gentoo is not building with crypto or anything like 
that.

Any help is appreciated.

I also put icecast2 on a conectiva box with the same results.  also 
installed it on the same g3 and still got the same error.

What am I doing wrong?

<p>icecast2.xml

<icecast>
         <location>Mike's House</location>

         <limits>
                 <clients>100</clients>
                 <sources>2</sources>
                 <threadpool>5</threadpool>
                 <client-timeout>30</client-timeout>
                 <header-timeout>15</header-timeout>
                 <source-timeout>10</source-timeout>
         </limits>

         <source-password>hackme</source-password>

         <directory>
                 <touch-freq>5</touch-freq>
                 <server>
                         <host>localhost</host>
                         <touch-freq>15</touch-freq>
                 </server>
         </directory>

<p>         <hostname>localhost</hostname>
         <port>8000</port>
         <!--<bind-address>127.0.0.1</bind-address>-->

         <paths>
                 <basedir>/usr/local/icecast</basedir>
                 <logdir>/tmp</logdir>
         </paths>

         <logging>
                 <accesslog>access.log</accesslog>
                 <errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
         </logging>

     <security>
         <chroot>0</chroot>
         <!--<changeowner>
             <user>nobody</user>
             <group>nogroup</group>
         </changeowner>-->
     </security>
</icecast>
######################

ices.xml

<p><?xml version="1.0"?>
<ices>
         <background>0</background>
         <logpath>/usr/local/ogg/log</logpath>
         <logfile>ices.log</logfile>
         <loglevel>1</loglevel>

         <stream>
                 <metadata>
                         <name>Ogg stream</name>
                         <genre>misc</genre>
                         <description>No description</description>
                 </metadata>
                 <input>
                         <module>oss</module>
                         <param name="rate">44100</param>
                         <param name="channels">1</param>
                         <param name="device">/dev/dsp</param>
                         <param name="metadata">1</param>
             <paramname="metadatafilename">/var/tmp/metadata.2491</param>
                 </input>
                 <instance>
                         <hostname>192.168.1.24</hostname>
                         <port>8000</port>
                         <password>hackme</password>
                         <mount>/-q</mount>
                         <encode>
                                 <bitrate>64000</bitrate>
                                 <samplerate>44100</samplerate>
                                 <channels>1</channels>
                         </encode>
                 </instance>
         </stream>
</ices>

<p><p><p><p><p><p>
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From adon at yorku.ca  Thu Mar  6 06:28:53 2003
From: adon at yorku.ca (Adon Irani)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 01:28:53 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Header read failed . UPDATE
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the problem fixed itself ;  very odd as nothing has changed .

however, earlier in the day i did update the second server to the latest
cvs icecast as well . and when i tested after doing this , it was
immediately . it is possible that the relay update hadn't taken place as
yet , ..but i'm pretty sure i tried again about an hour after doing the
second update . otherwise , just glad to be back live !

 a:/,

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Adon Irani wrote:

>
>  i've been noticing all this talk about status.xsl pages and wanted to see
> them for myself ;  so i download the latest snapshots of icecast and
> libshout (as i was using the ~msmith tarballs before ) . i compiled them
> w/ the xslt-dev debian packages added and everything lo0ked good .
>
> i stopped the icecast server - make install'd - and started the
> icecast-server script .,
>
> fileserve works fine ..  but the relay server is broken . and i still get
> : >The file you requested could not be found from
> http://thedv8network.com:8000/status.xsl
>
> i can listen to the live feed from my studio on
> schemin.thedv8network.com:8000/dialup.ogg , but the relay at
> thedv8network.com:8000/dialup.ogg does not work .
>
> instead , i get : :
>
> [2003-03-05  19:07:47] INFO main/main icecast server started
> [2003-03-05  19:07:47] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
> [2003-03-05  19:09:48] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
> [2003-03-05  19:11:50] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
> [2003-03-05  19:13:52] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
> [2003-03-05  19:15:53] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
> [2003-03-05  19:17:53] WARN slave/create_relay_stream Header read failed
>
> .\
>
> please advise .,
>
> thanks  .
>
>  a:/,
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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au  Thu Mar  6 06:40:47 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 17:40:47 +1100
Subject: [icecast] bad password
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> 
> What am I doing wrong?

Your config file is kinda old. Can you try it with icecast2 current (and
obviously a current config file - some of the syntax changed slightly). If you
can still reproduce, we can try and help further.

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From alain.swicher at bluewin.ch  Thu Mar  6 08:11:11 2003
From: alain.swicher at bluewin.ch (alain swicher)
Date: 06 Mar 2003 09:11:11 +0100
Subject: [icecast] m3u - mine type
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obviously I didn't understand somethin :

By requesting an m3u file, icecast server create an handler for the
stream that contained the url:port information, am I correct ?

<p><p><p>> 
> You have the hostname and port of the server misconfigured in your icecast
> config file. icecast2 obviously needs those to be correct so that it can
> generate a URL to send to your media player.
> 
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From adon at yorku.ca  Thu Mar  6 08:14:28 2003
From: adon at yorku.ca (Adon Irani)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 03:14:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] CVS changes
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thanks for the update ; i've finally been able to d/l the latest ices 0.x
fr0m cvs .

but i'm having difficulties compiling . the builtin libshout doesn't work
, and it won't find my latest cvs-snapshot install of libshout .

i've tried to get the libshout mentioned in your msg direct from cvs - but
i encounter problems ;


--
CVSROOT=:pserver:anoncvs at xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot

mystifLY:/usr/src/ices# cvs login
Logging in to :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:2401/cvs/ice
CVS password: #anoncvs#
mystifLY:/usr/src/ices# cvs -d
:pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot co libshout
cvs checkout: authorization failed: server cvs.xiph.org rejected access to
/usr/local/cvsroot for user anoncvs
cvs checkout: used empty password; try "cvs login" with a real password

--

hould i be using a different password than 'anoncvs'

thanks .,
 a:/,

On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Brendan Cully wrote:

> To all CVS users of ices 0.x:
>
> I've just merged the ices-libshout_2 branch onto HEAD. Anyone using that branch
> should switch back to HEAD to continue to get the latest updates.
>
> This also means you now need the latest version of libshout2 from CVS in order
> to build ices from CVS.
>
> libshout2: :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot libshout
> ices:      :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice ices
>
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From adon at yorku.ca  Thu Mar  6 08:17:41 2003
From: adon at yorku.ca (Adon Irani)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 03:17:41 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] m3u - mine type
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> obviously I didn't understand somethin :
>
> By requesting an m3u file, icecast server create an handler for the
> stream that contained the url:port information, am I correct ?

basically. the m3u file contains the url to the stream , and generally
will be recognized by most browsers - thereby launching winamp or other
appropriate media player .

if you link the :/.ogg it could try to d/l instead of stream .

 a:/,

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From mike at linuxlink.com  Thu Mar  6 08:15:21 2003
From: mike at linuxlink.com (mike)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 02:15:21 -0600
Subject: [icecast] bad password
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Thanks.  that worked.

This is bleeding edge...

<p>Michael Smith wrote:
>>What am I doing wrong?
> 
> 
> Your config file is kinda old. Can you try it with icecast2 current (and
> obviously a current config file - some of the syntax changed slightly). If you
> can still reproduce, we can try and help further.
> 
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From boink at tetter.xs4all.nl  Thu Mar  6 08:37:14 2003
From: boink at tetter.xs4all.nl (boink)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 09:37:14 +0100
Subject: [icecast] CVS changes || http://www.xiph.org/cvs.html
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look on http://www.xiph.org/cvs.html for the right login.

b.

On Thu, Mar 06, 2003 at 03:14:28AM -0500, Adon Irani wrote:
> 
> thanks for the update ; i've finally been able to d/l the latest ices 0.x
> fr0m cvs .
> 
> but i'm having difficulties compiling . the builtin libshout doesn't work
> , and it won't find my latest cvs-snapshot install of libshout .
> 
> i've tried to get the libshout mentioned in your msg direct from cvs - but
> i encounter problems ;
> 
> --
> CVSROOT=:pserver:anoncvs at xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot
> 
> mystifLY:/usr/src/ices# cvs login
> Logging in to :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:2401/cvs/ice
> CVS password: #anoncvs#
> mystifLY:/usr/src/ices# cvs -d
> :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot co libshout
> cvs checkout: authorization failed: server cvs.xiph.org rejected access to
> /usr/local/cvsroot for user anoncvs
> cvs checkout: used empty password; try "cvs login" with a real password
> 
> --
> 
> should i be using a different password than 'anoncvs'
> 
> thanks .,
>  a:/,
> 
> On Wed, 5 Mar 2003, Brendan Cully wrote:
> 
> > To all CVS users of ices 0.x:
> >
> > I've just merged the ices-libshout_2 branch onto HEAD. Anyone using that branch
> > should switch back to HEAD to continue to get the latest updates.
> >
> > This also means you now need the latest version of libshout2 from CVS in order
> > to build ices from CVS.
> >
> > libshout2: :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot libshout
> > ices:      :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice ices
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From msmith at xiph.org  Thu Mar  6 08:32:48 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:32:48 +1100
Subject: [icecast] m3u - mine type
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On Thursday 06 March 2003 19:11, alain swicher wrote:
> obviously I didn't understand somethin :
>
> By requesting an m3u file, icecast server create an handler for the
> stream that contained the url:port information, am I correct ?

Yes. So it needs to know what hostname to use for this purpose. This is what 
<hostname> is for in the config file. 

Mike

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From alain.swicher at bluewin.ch  Thu Mar  6 09:50:29 2003
From: alain.swicher at bluewin.ch (alain swicher)
Date: 06 Mar 2003 10:50:29 +0100
Subject: [icecast] winamp minibrowser
Message-ID: <1046944230.7550.13.camel@emil>



Is there a way to include an URL to the stream in order for the media
player (winamp) to open its minibrowser with a defined address ?

According to winamp-SHOUTcast documentation, its possible to use the
comment field of the MP3 ID3 tag for that purpose. 
Anyway setting an URL in the media file is a nonsense.The URL would to
be linked to the stream and not to the MP3 or OGG file. 

Is there a way to include some URL information, in the m3u file may be?

thx!

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From steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com  Thu Mar  6 12:28:34 2003
From: steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com (steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 15:28:34 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [icecast] Ices-0.2.3
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Hello everyone,

I am trying to download ices-0.2.3 from cvs but i don't know the correct
path for it in the cvs repository.

I tried to login into :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot,
but then i couldn't do

'cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot -z 9 co ices', as
i think that this will download ices2 (i used this command before to
download ices2)

I tied also 'cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice -z 9 co ices',
but i got error message that there is no such repository.

So, should i log on to which repository(which pathh)so that i can download
ices-0.2.3?

Please, give advice

Steve

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From Mitja.Pirih at radiocapris.com  Thu Mar  6 19:14:36 2003
From: Mitja.Pirih at radiocapris.com (Mitja Pirih)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:14:36 +0100
Subject: [icecast] strange noise from icecast
Message-ID: <A1E5C44120D3784C9CC2937A0A28149221B7D2@mastersbs.lan.protokol.si>



Hello,

I'm using icecast for at least 3 months now and I am experiencing a strange noise and also some echo effect (from time to time) and I can't identify the source of this noise. I tryed almost everything, from TCP fragment reassembling to cheking my hardware. I just have no more ideas what to check.

The streams can be found here: 

live.radiocapris.com:8000/low
live.radiocapris.com:8000/medium
live.radiocapris.com:8000/high
live.radiocapris.com:8000/vh

I am using Winamp 2.81 for input, MuchFX2 and 4 oddcastDSP plugins to stream (lame encoder) on Windows 2000. The streaming server is an icecast 1.3.12 on OpenBSD 3.2.

Thanks,
Mitja
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Thu Mar  6 19:39:57 2003
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 20:39:57 +0100
Subject: [icecast] relaying problem w/ icecast 1.3
Message-ID: <3E67A40D.9090408@folkwang-hochschule.de>



hello * !

i have a problem setting up a relay server:
icecast starts up fine, but when i do
-> relay pull -m /liveice http://mallia.zkm.de:8000/liveice
on the admin  console, it fails to connect to the stream:
Connecting to relay [mallia.zkm.de:8000/liveice], please wait...
Could not connect to port 8000 on host mallia.zkm.de
->

trangely enough, this happens instantly, without any chance for 
timeouts etc...

from the same machine, telnet mallia.zkm.de 8000 works, and
"GET /liveice" spits out reassuring garbage :)
the stream is definitely ok, i can listen to it from my work machine.

icecast version is icecast-1.3.0-1.i386.rpm running on a redhat 7.1 
machine. sorry i'm bugging you with such an ancient release, but i don't 
control the machine, and i want to cause as little hassle for the admin 
(who donates bandwidth to us for free) as possible.
i gave up compiling icecast2 cvs because of the many needed libs (it's a 
production machine, and the admin does not want to fiddle with it, so i 
would have had to build them all separately...) otoh, i could perhaps 
get the admin to update to the latest icecast 1.3 if you think that 
might solve my problem. in that case, can anyone point me to rpms that 
will work on an rh 7.1 machine ?

best,

j?rn


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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Thu Mar  6 19:46:07 2003
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Thu, 06 Mar 2003 20:46:07 +0100
Subject: [icecast] which icecast2 for production...
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hello * !

i'm about to set up two icecast2 boxen, that, ahem, just have to work by 
next wednesday :)
(not that i have encountered any problems so far, but then i'm still in 
test mode...)
i wonder if there's any special cvs vintage that the developers would 
recommend (do you tag "stable" releases ?), or should i just stick to 
the latest and greatest..?

best,

j?rn

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From msmith at xiph.org  Thu Mar  6 22:51:15 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 09:51:15 +1100
Subject: [icecast] which icecast2 for production...
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On Friday 07 March 2003 06:46, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> hello * !
>
> i'm about to set up two icecast2 boxen, that, ahem, just have to work by
> next wednesday :)
> (not that i have encountered any problems so far, but then i'm still in
> test mode...)
> i wonder if there's any special cvs vintage that the developers would
> recommend (do you tag "stable" releases ?), or should i just stick to
> the latest and greatest..?
>

Current is working well, and getting a fair bit of testing. There are 
apparently some issues with the config-file rereading, so... don't use that 
:-)

Mike

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From lackofmotivation801 at yahoo.com  Fri Mar  7 00:28:24 2003
From: lackofmotivation801 at yahoo.com (Matt Alleman)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 16:28:24 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] ices compile problems
Message-ID: <20030307002824.14191.qmail@web41613.mail.yahoo.com>



I got libshout Ices out of the CVS last night at about 7:30.  I got libshout compiled fine but then when i went compiled ices it gave me the following message:

resolver.c:23:20: thread.h: No such file or directory
resolver.c:41: parse error before "_resolver_mutex"
resolver.c:41: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
make[2]: *** [resolver.lo] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/ices/src/net'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/ices/src'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1

<p>can anybody tell me whats going on?  Im relatively new to linux in general so any help is appreciated.

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From brendan at xiph.org  Fri Mar  7 00:32:45 2003
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:32:45 -0500
Subject: [icecast] ices compile problems
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On Thursday, 06 March 2003 at 16:28, Matt Alleman wrote:
> I got libshout Ices out of the CVS last night at about 7:30.  I got libshout
> compiled fine but then when i went compiled ices it gave me the following
> message:
> 
> resolver.c:23:20: thread.h: No such file or directory
> resolver.c:41: parse error before "_resolver_mutex"
> resolver.c:41: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> make[2]: *** [resolver.lo] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/ices/src/net'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/ices/src'
> make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> 
> can anybody tell me whats going on?  Im relatively new to linux in general so
> any help is appreciated.

cvs update and try again? There was a window of about 40 minutes where this might
happen.

-b
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From adon at yorku.ca  Fri Mar  7 00:58:12 2003
From: adon at yorku.ca (Adon Irani)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 19:58:12 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] CVS ices 0.x problems
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i have a recent libshout cvs-snapshot working fine .

but when i try to compile ices 0.x cvs :: i get this .,

-

...Compiling with CPPFLAGS= -I/usr/include/libxml2/libxml
-I/usr/include/libxml2
Linking with LDFLAGS=  -lxml2 -lmp3lame -lvorbisfile -lvorbis -logg -lm
Features:
  libshout: builtin
  LAME    : yes
  Vorbis  : yes
  Perl    : no
  Python  : no
  XML     : yes

mystifLY:/usr/src/ices# make
Making all in libshout
/bin/sh: cd: libshout: No such file or directory
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1


--

i realize that the libshout: builtin is prolly the problem . but i am
unable to get the ./autogen.sh er ./configure to recognize this installed
libshout .

any advice ?

thanks .,
 a:/,

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From brendan at xiph.org  Fri Mar  7 01:03:13 2003
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:03:13 -0500
Subject: [icecast] CVS ices 0.x problems
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.50.0303061955110.21373-100000@sunburn.ccs.yorku.ca>
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On Thursday, 06 March 2003 at 19:58, Adon Irani wrote:
> 
> i have a recent libshout cvs-snapshot working fine .
> 
> but when i try to compile ices 0.x cvs :: i get this .,
> 
> -
> 
> ...Compiling with CPPFLAGS= -I/usr/include/libxml2/libxml
> -I/usr/include/libxml2
> Linking with LDFLAGS=  -lxml2 -lmp3lame -lvorbisfile -lvorbis -logg -lm
> Features:
>   libshout: builtin
>   LAME    : yes
>   Vorbis  : yes
>   Perl    : no
>   Python  : no
>   XML     : yes
> 
> mystifLY:/usr/src/ices# make
> Making all in libshout
> /bin/sh: cd: libshout: No such file or directory
> make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> 
> --
> 
> i realize that the libshout: builtin is prolly the problem . but i am
> unable to get the ./autogen.sh er ./configure to recognize this installed
> libshout .

In cvs there is no libshout builtin at the moment (that will be fixed before
release). But it should have no problems using an installed version.

I'm assuming you tried --with-libshout=/path/to/my/libshout ?

You should just need to tell configure where you installed your version.

If you're sure you're giving it the right path, it may be that there's an
older version of libshout somewhere earlier in gcc's search path.

The easiest way to debug would be to jump onto irc.xiph.org, channel #icecast.

Otherwise mail me your config.log and configure arguments, plus the arguments
you used to build and install libshout.
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From brendan at xiph.org  Fri Mar  7 01:04:16 2003
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Thu, 6 Mar 2003 20:04:16 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Ices-0.2.3
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On Thursday, 06 March 2003 at 15:28, steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com wrote:
> Hello everyone,
> 
> I am trying to download ices-0.2.3 from cvs but i don't know the correct
> path for it in the cvs repository.
> 
> I tried to login into :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot,
> but then i couldn't do
> 
> 'cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot -z 9 co ices', as
> i think that this will download ices2 (i used this command before to
> download ices2)
> 
> I tied also 'cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice -z 9 co ices',
> but i got error message that there is no such repository.

This is the correct path, but make sure you log in a second time, as it is
actually a separate repository.

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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Fri Mar  7 08:27:23 2003
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 09:27:23 +0100
Subject: [icecast] relaying problem w/ icecast 1.3
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[slightly ot, linker question]
Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:

> i gave up compiling icecast2 cvs because of the many needed libs (it's a 
> production machine, and the admin does not want to fiddle with it, so i 
> would have had to build them all separately...) 

on second thought, is there a way to compile a static icecast2 binary 
with each and every dependency (well, except maybe for libc :) 
hard-linked into the executable ?
i have this naive hope i might be able to compile it on my home machine 
(running suse 8.1), upload it to a redhat 7.1 and have it actually 
working...

i tried passing the linker option -lstatic, which bloated the executable 
quite some, but ldd still showed all the dependencies my non-static one had.
i dug through the gcc howto, but i could use some hint :)

best,

j?rn

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From ronnie at mixsessions.com  Fri Mar  7 08:41:59 2003
From: ronnie at mixsessions.com (ronnie at mixsessions.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 03:41:59 -0500
Subject: [icecast] compilling error   ices-0.2.3.tar.gz
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dowloaded the latest libshout and icecast2 from cvs. I also downloaded  ices-0.2.3.tar.gz from
icecast.org for mp3 suport. Libshout compiled succesfully but when i tried to compile ices i
received the following error. please help.

<p>make[3]: *** [playlist.o] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/root/stream/ices-0.2.3/src/playlist'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/stream/ices-0.2.3/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/stream/ices-0.2.3'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2

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From msmith at xiph.org  Fri Mar  7 08:49:35 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:49:35 +1100
Subject: [icecast] compilling error   ices-0.2.3.tar.gz
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On Friday 07 March 2003 19:41, ronnie at mixsessions.com wrote:
> dowloaded the latest libshout and icecast2 from cvs. I also downloaded 
> ices-0.2.3.tar.gz from icecast.org for mp3 suport. Libshout compiled
> succesfully but when i tried to compile ices i received the following
> error. please help.
>
>
> make[3]: *** [playlist.o] Error 1
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/root/stream/ices-0.2.3/src/playlist'
> make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/stream/ices-0.2.3/src'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/stream/ices-0.2.3'
> make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2

It's extremely unhelpful to give everything AFTER the error, but not the 
actual error message.

Mike

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From remco at rc6.org  Fri Mar  7 11:14:27 2003
From: remco at rc6.org (Remco B. Brink)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 12:14:27 +0100
Subject: [icecast] strange noise from icecast
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<quote who="Mitja Pirih">

> Hello,
> 
> I'm using icecast for at least 3 months now and I am experiencing a
> strange noise and also some echo effect (from time to time) and I
> can't identify the source of this noise. 

[snip]

> I am using Winamp 2.81 for input, MuchFX2 and 4 oddcastDSP plugins to
> stream (lame encoder) on Windows 2000. The streaming server is an
> icecast 1.3.12 on OpenBSD 3.2.

Are you streaming files or line-in?

Yesterday I experienced something that sounds quite a lot like what you
are experiencing now. 

I was streaming from line-in and noticed I had forgotten to mute
the line-in playback. The line-in playback got outputted to the mixer
again, which in turn went straight back into line-in causing a
nifty loop with a nasty "tin can"-effect and echo.

Make sure you've muted everything you don't need on your
streamsource machine and use the latest stable versions of Lame and
oddacstDSP.

HTH.

-rbb


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From ee98291 at ee.iitm.ernet.in  Fri Mar  7 13:51:22 2003
From: ee98291 at ee.iitm.ernet.in (Suseelan B Sarin)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:21:22 +0530 (IST)
Subject: [icecast] relaying problem w/ icecast 1.3
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2003, Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:

> [slightly ot, linker question]
> Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> 
> on second thought, is there a way to compile a static icecast2 binary 
> with each and every dependency (well, except maybe for libc :) 
> hard-linked into the executable ?
> i have this naive hope i might be able to compile it on my home machine 
> (running suse 8.1), upload it to a redhat 7.1 and have it actually 
> working...
> 
> i tried passing the linker option -lstatic, which bloated the executable 

        Isn't it the -static flag to gcc? I think -lstatic links a 
libstatic.a or libstatic.so to your exe. (Just from my basic programing 
knowledge. Haven't compiled this so far.)

<p>> quite some, but ldd still showed all the dependencies my non-static one had.
> i dug through the gcc howto, but i could use some hint :)
> 
> best,
> 
> j?rn
> 
> 
> 

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From Mitja.Pirih at radiocapris.com  Fri Mar  7 12:02:22 2003
From: Mitja.Pirih at radiocapris.com (Mitja Pirih)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 13:02:22 +0100
Subject: [icecast] strange noise from icecast
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] strange noise from icecast>
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>Are you streaming files or line-in?

Yes.

>I was streaming from line-in and noticed I had forgotten to mute
>the line-in playback. The line-in playback got outputted to the mixer
>again, which in turn went straight back into line-in causing a
>nifty loop with a nasty "tin can"-effect and echo.

>Make sure you've muted everything you don't need on your
>streamsource machine and use the latest stable versions of Lame and
>oddacstDSP.

I'll this and let you know.

Thanks,
Mitja
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From ronnie at mixsessions.com  Fri Mar  7 20:17:24 2003
From: ronnie at mixsessions.com (ronnie at mixsessions.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 15:17:24 -0500
Subject: [icecast] compilling error   ices-0.2.3.tar.gz
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sorry about that. I decided to install the latest ices from cvs instead.

However I encountered another problem.
I have the latest libshout, icecast and ices. All were compilled without problems. I am trying to
stream in mp3 format but when I run ices I receive errors that read something similar to
 '/path/to/mp3file/song.mp3 - possibly corrupt or malformed data'.
 The entire playlist will cycle through then ices will quit. These are the same files I used with
older versions of icecast and ices successfully. Unfortunately I am not at the server so I can't
produce an ices config file or the exact error. Does this sound like an misconfigured ices.xml
file?

<p><p><p>----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Smith
To:  icecast at xiph.org
Sent: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 19:49:35 +1100
Subject: Re: [icecast] compilling error   ices-0.2.3.tar.gz

On Friday 07 March 2003 19:41, ronnie at mixsessions.com wrote:
> dowloaded the latest libshout and icecast2 from cvs. I also downloaded 
> ices-0.2.3.tar.gz from icecast.org for mp3 suport. Libshout compiled
> succesfully but when i tried to compile ices i received the following
> error. please help.
>
>
> make[3]: *** [playlist.o] Error 1
> make[3]: Leaving directory `/root/stream/ices-0.2.3/src/playlist'
> make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/stream/ices-0.2.3/src'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/stream/ices-0.2.3'
> make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2

It's extremely unhelpful to give everything AFTER the error, but not the 
actual error message.

Mike

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Fri Mar  7 21:43:57 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 07:43:57 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] compilling error   ices-0.2.3.tar.gz
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 ronnie at mixsessions.com wrote:

> I have the latest libshout, icecast and ices. All were compilled without
> problems. I am trying to stream in mp3 format but when I run ices I
> receive errors that read something similar to
>  '/path/to/mp3file/song.mp3 - possibly corrupt or malformed data'.

Are you using ices 0.x or ices 2.x?  Ices 2 does not do MP3.

Geoff.

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From seamus at molecular.fsnet.co.uk  Fri Mar  7 18:02:07 2003
From: seamus at molecular.fsnet.co.uk (Seamus Hanley)
Date: 07 Mar 2003 18:02:07 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Help Needed
Message-ID: <1047046383.6947.9.camel@molecular.bassdove.intranet>



Hi All,

I need some help getting my setup working properly.  I'm using Debian
(Woody) with icecast, shout and Xmms.

The icecast server starts OK, and when I use shout to send a playlist to
it, this seems ok too.  But in Xmms, when I try to connect, I get a
"Connected: Waiting for response" message and nothing more.  The icecast
messages seem to indicate that a connection keeps getting 'kicked' (I am
testing on a local server), with a 'bad password' message - this happens
maybe 300 times in 5 minutes.  Do clients need a password to connect ?

Also, is there a problem if I send a mixture of mp3 + ogg files or
should they be one or the other? (and do I need to specify this?)

I would appreciate any help anyone can offer.

Thanks,

<p><p>Seamus

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From ronnie at mixsessions.com  Fri Mar  7 22:28:34 2003
From: ronnie at mixsessions.com (ronnie at mixsessions.com)
Date: Fri, 7 Mar 2003 17:28:34 -0500
Subject: [icecast] compilling error   ices-0.2.3.tar.gz
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Ooff! I am using ices2. Well that explains it then!  I am new to linux and I thank you very much
for your help and patience.
Please just some clarification. 

To get cvs version of ices for mp3 streaming compatibilty with Icecast2:

cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice login
pw:anoncvs
cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice -z 9 co ices

or 

cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice login
pw:anoncvs
cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice co ices

to get libshout2
cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot login
pw:anoncvs
cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot -z 9 co libshout 

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Sent: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 07:43:57 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [icecast] compilling error   ices-0.2.3.tar.gz

On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 ronnie at mixsessions.com wrote:

> I have the latest libshout, icecast and ices. All were compilled without
> problems. I am trying to stream in mp3 format but when I run ices I
> receive errors that read something similar to
>  '/path/to/mp3file/song.mp3 - possibly corrupt or malformed data'.

Are you using ices 0.x or ices 2.x?  Ices 2 does not do MP3.

Geoff.

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From mihamina.rakotomandimby at laposte.net  Fri Mar  7 23:07:02 2003
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at laposte.net (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: 08 Mar 2003 00:07:02 +0100
Subject: [icecast] [OT] GPL video format
Message-ID: <1047078425.395.7.camel@mihamina>



Hi all ,
i heard on usenet ( fr.comp.applications.libre ) that Xiph would carry
out a new gpl video format ( as well as Xiph did for *.ogg )
Is it real ??? it would be great and where is the related website ?

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From mihamina.rakotomandimby at laposte.net  Fri Mar  7 23:37:03 2003
From: mihamina.rakotomandimby at laposte.net (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: 08 Mar 2003 00:37:03 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Help Needed
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> 
> Also, is there a problem if I send a mixture of mp3 + ogg files or
> should they be one or the other? (and do I need to specify this?)
1?)do you mean you're using xmms as source ? i didn't know it was
working ...
2?)mixture is not possible , otherwise you can play you mixture, output
it to your soundcard , input with line-in and encode that line-in to ogg
....

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From volsung at mailsnare.net  Fri Mar  7 23:44:10 2003
From: volsung at mailsnare.net (Stan Seibert)
Date: 07 Mar 2003 17:44:10 -0600
Subject: [icecast] [OT] GPL video format
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On Fri, 2003-03-07 at 17:07, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
> Hi all ,
> i heard on usenet ( fr.comp.applications.libre ) that Xiph would carry
> out a new gpl video format ( as well as Xiph did for *.ogg )
> Is it real ??? it would be great and where is the related website ?

Xiph.org is working with On2 Technologies to create Theora, an open
video codec.  The code will be available under the Xiph.org BSD license.

For more info, see:

http://www.theora.org


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From gshang at uq.net.au  Sat Mar  8 01:20:35 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 11:20:35 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] compilling error   ices-0.2.3.tar.gz
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On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 ronnie at mixsessions.com wrote:

> Please just some clarification.
>
> To get cvs version of ices for mp3 streaming compatibilty with Icecast2:
>
> cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice login
> pw:anoncvs
> cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice -z 9 co ices
>
> or
>
> cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice login
> pw:anoncvs
> cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice co ices

The -z switch can cause buggy behaviour with some versions of CVS, so if
you want to be certain, don't use it.

> to get libshout2
> cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot login
> pw:anoncvs
> cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot -z 9 co libshout

all loooks fine.

Geoff.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Sat Mar  8 02:25:40 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 13:25:40 +1100
Subject: [icecast] [OT] GPL video format
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On Saturday 08 March 2003 10:07, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
> Hi all ,
> i heard on usenet ( fr.comp.applications.libre ) that Xiph would carry
> out a new gpl video format ( as well as Xiph did for *.ogg )
> Is it real ??? it would be great and where is the related website ?
>

Xiph doesn't create GPL codecs (though vorbis was GPL a LONG LONG time ago), 
since the license is too restrictive for many purposes. We do have a video 
codec called 'Theora' in progress, though (under a BSD-style license).

Mike

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From Mitja.Pirih at radiocapris.com  Sat Mar  8 06:56:10 2003
From: Mitja.Pirih at radiocapris.com (Mitja Pirih)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 07:56:10 +0100
Subject: [icecast] strange noise from icecast
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] strange noise from icecast>
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It looks OK for now.

Thanks,
Mitja

-----Original Message-----
From: Remco B. Brink [mailto:remco at rc6.org]
Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 12:14 PM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [icecast] strange noise from icecast

<p><quote who="Mitja Pirih">

> Hello,
> 
> I'm using icecast for at least 3 months now and I am experiencing a
> strange noise and also some echo effect (from time to time) and I
> can't identify the source of this noise. 

[snip]

> I am using Winamp 2.81 for input, MuchFX2 and 4 oddcastDSP plugins to
> stream (lame encoder) on Windows 2000. The streaming server is an
> icecast 1.3.12 on OpenBSD 3.2.

Are you streaming files or line-in?

Yesterday I experienced something that sounds quite a lot like what you
are experiencing now. 

I was streaming from line-in and noticed I had forgotten to mute
the line-in playback. The line-in playback got outputted to the mixer
again, which in turn went straight back into line-in causing a
nifty loop with a nasty "tin can"-effect and echo.

Make sure you've muted everything you don't need on your
streamsource machine and use the latest stable versions of Lame and
oddacstDSP.

HTH.

-rbb


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From ronnie at mixsessions.com  Sat Mar  8 18:39:23 2003
From: ronnie at mixsessions.com (ronnie at mixsessions.com)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 13:39:23 -0500
Subject: [icecast] compilling error   ices-0.2.3.tar.gz
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thnks for the clarfication.

I downloaded libshout2 and ices-0.2 from cvs. I compiled libshout with out a problem but when i try
and compile ices I get the following error:

<p><p>checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build static libraries... yes
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no
checking shout/shout.h usability... yes
checking shout/shout.h presence... yes
checking for shout/shout.h... yes
checking for shout_new in -lshout... no
configure: error: Could not find a usable installed libshout

when I compile:

/autogen.sh --prefix=/etc/stream --exec-prefix=/etc/stream --with-lame=/etc/stream --with-libshout=
/etc/stream

<p><p>----- Original Message -----
From: Geoff Shang
To:  icecast at xiph.org
Sent: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 11:20:35 +1000 (EST)
Subject: Re: [icecast] compilling error   ices-0.2.3.tar.gz

On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 ronnie at mixsessions.com wrote:

> Please just some clarification.
>
> To get cvs version of ices for mp3 streaming compatibilty with Icecast2:
>
> cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice login
> pw:anoncvs
> cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice -z 9 co ices
>
> or
>
> cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice login
> pw:anoncvs
> cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice co ices

The -z switch can cause buggy behaviour with some versions of CVS, so if
you want to be certain, don't use it.

> to get libshout2
> cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot login
> pw:anoncvs
> cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot -z 9 co libshout

all loooks fine.

Geoff.

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From brendan at xiph.org  Sun Mar  9 00:08:00 2003
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:08:00 -0500
Subject: [icecast] compilling error   ices-0.2.3.tar.gz
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On Saturday, 08 March 2003 at 13:39, ronnie at mixsessions.com wrote:
> I downloaded libshout2 and ices-0.2 from cvs. I compiled libshout with out a problem but when i try
> and compile ices I get the following error:
> 
> 
> 
> checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
> checking whether to build static libraries... yes
> checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no
> checking shout/shout.h usability... yes
> checking shout/shout.h presence... yes
> checking for shout/shout.h... yes
> checking for shout_new in -lshout... no
> configure: error: Could not find a usable installed libshout
> 
> when I compile:
> 
> /autogen.sh --prefix=/etc/stream --exec-prefix=/etc/stream --with-lame=/etc/stream --with-libshout=
> /etc/stream

This particular error is because you used --with-libshout= instead of
--with-libshout

But I've just made some changes to libshout and ices which should make things
work more smoothly. Compile and install the latest libshout from CVS, then
try the latest ices too. --with-libshout is gone, but you can use
--with-shout-config to specify the path to the new shout-config utility,
if you aren't installing in a standard place.

-b
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From xiphmont at xiph.org  Sun Mar  9 00:42:54 2003
From: xiphmont at xiph.org (Monty)
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 19:42:54 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Using Winamp for ogg streams/files
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On Sun, Mar 02, 2003 at 11:38:50PM +0100, boink wrote:
> 
> hello,
> 
> It appears that Winamp 3 has problems playing ogg streams/files. I can't
> say exactly since I don't use Windows myself. I tried the very alpha
> Winamp for Linux and it was quite useless. 
> 
> This came from
> http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=67fc68ecaec04349ad8bb66483c3cbd1&threadid=126800
> on the shoutcast/winamp forum:
> 
> "Ogg files become corrupted by adding ID3 tags, because they don't
> natively support them. ID3 tags are intended for use with mp3 files
> only. Please use Vorbis Comment tags only.
> Winamp3's ogg decoder pukes by design on any ogg files with id3 tags."
> 
> thus, what is the best client for Windows users? Is Winamp 2.8 the best?
> Many "normal" Windows users would like to try ogg but are hindered by
> the lack of good software which support the ogg/vorbis format. 

Umm, Winamp is behaving as it should; Ogg files with id3 *are*
corrupt.  Do not use id3 with Ogg.  They are not compatible.  It
doesn't matter who told you they were.  id3 disrupts Ogg framing.  Ogg
files with id3 tags will not play in any of the portable players about
to come out either.

If you could let us know what software thinks it's doing anyone a
favor by adding an id3 tag to an Ogg file, we'd appreciate it.  We
will contact the author of the software and make it clear that this
'feature' is unacceptable and that he's just confusing users and
pissing people off.

Summary:

Don't use a broken encoder, and you won't produce broken Ogg files.
See our own download site at www.vorbis.com for encoders that are not
broken. 

Monty
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From ronnie at mixsessions.com  Sun Mar  9 06:53:41 2003
From: ronnie at mixsessions.com (ronnie at mixsessions.com)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 01:53:41 -0500
Subject: [icecast] compilling error   ices-0.2.3 cvs
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] compilling error   ices-0.2.3 cvs>
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Brendan Cully wrote:
>This particular error is because you used --with-libshout= instead of --with-libshout

Is the above a typo. They look the same with the exception of the "=". I am new to linux so please
be forgiving.

I downloaded both ices and libshout. I tried to compile with "--with-shout-config=/etc/stream" but
this returned the same result as in the previous email:
 "checking for shout_new in -lshout... no
 configure: error: Could not find a usable installed libshout".

So I tried "--with-libshout=/etc/stream" and this time it did work.Yeah! BUT when I did make I
received a new error: 

cc1: warning: changing search order for system directory "/usr/local/include"
cc1: warning:   as it has already been specified as a non-system directory
setup.c: In function `ices_setup_parse_config_file':
setup.c:251: `ICES_ETCDIR' undeclared (first use in this function)
setup.c:251: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
setup.c:251: for each function it appears in.)
setup.c: In function `ices_setup_version':
setup.c:564: parse error before "ICES_ETCDIR"
make[4]: *** [setup.o] Error 1
make[4]: Leaving directory `/root/src/ices/src'
make[3]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/root/src/ices/src'
make[2]: *** [all] Error 2
make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/src/ices/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/src/ices'
make: *** [all] Error 2

THANKS for your help!

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From smcmanus at twcsd.com  Sun Mar  9 15:32:33 2003
From: smcmanus at twcsd.com (Shaun Mcmanus)
Date: Sun, 9 Mar 2003 07:32:33 -0800 
Subject: [icecast] DTCR Project
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] DTCR Project>
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Thanks to all that responded. SAM2 looks like it has most of the abilities
that we will need at the sources but the price is prohibitive. 
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Sun Mar  9 20:58:36 2003
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 21:58:36 +0100
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 is killed when client connects (on sparc32)
Message-ID: <3E6BAAFC.90408@folkwang-hochschule.de>



hi !

i have succesfully compiled libshout/icecast/ices on a quad ss20 
(4xhypersparc at 125mhz, 128mb ram). ten out of ten for a robust, 
cross-platform build, guys ! it compiled straight out of the box.

i can start the server and it even connects to a remote server and 
starts to relay. when i run xmms from another machine and connect, it 
stops at "pre-buffering 0/32k". here's an strace of the icecast server 
at that time:

poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 100)   = 0
poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 100)   = 0
poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 100)   = 0
poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 100)   = 0
poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 100)   = 0
poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 100)   = 0
poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, 100) = 1
getsockopt(3, SOL_SOCKET, SO_TYPE, [1], [4]) = 0
accept(3, {sin_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(32992), 
sin_addr=inet_addr("192.168.200.201")}}, [16]) = 9
rt_sigtimedwait(ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
[?], ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
0xffff, 0x80, -268442784) = 0
rt_sigtimedwait(ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
[?], ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
0xffff, 0x8, -268442800) = 0
time(NULL)                              = 1047243022
kill(25894, SIGRT_0)                    = 0
poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 100)   = -1 EINTR (Interrupted system call)
+++ killed by SIGKILL +++

kernel is 2.2.20-smp (2.4 unfortunately does not work on sparc32-smp :(( ).

any guesses ? is anyone seeing similar problems on other platforms with 
current cvs (2003-03-09 19:30 utc) or have i run into a sparc-specific 
problem ?
if you need more info, i'll be happy to provide it.

best,

j?rn

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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Sun Mar  9 21:32:55 2003
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 22:32:55 +0100
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 is killed when client connects (on sparc32)
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here's what gdb yields:

(gdb) run -c icecast.xml
Starting program: /usr/local/bin/icecast -c icecast.xml
Changed root successfully to "/usr/local/icecast".
Changed groupid to 65534.
Changed userid to 65534.

Program received signal ?, Unknown signal.
0x505062d4 in sigsuspend () from /lib/libc.so.6
(gdb) bt
#0  0x505062d4 in sigsuspend () from /lib/libc.so.6
#1  0x500343f0 in __pthread_wait_for_restart_signal () from 
/lib/libpthread.so.0
#2  0x50033bfc in pthread_create@@GLIBC_2.1 () from /lib/libpthread.so.0
#3  0x20274 in thread_create_c ()
#4  0x1a008 in stats_initialize () at stats.c:81
#5  0x15104 in main (argc=273516, argv=0x37000) at main.c:356

when run in gdb, this error happens about 1 sec after starting, without 
a client trying to connect (without gdb, it just sits there after 
startup and only bails out the moment somebody tries to connect).

<p>Joern Nettingsmeier wrote:
> hi !
> 
> i have succesfully compiled libshout/icecast/ices on a quad ss20 
> (4xhypersparc at 125mhz, 128mb ram). ten out of ten for a robust, 
> cross-platform build, guys ! it compiled straight out of the box.
> 
> i can start the server and it even connects to a remote server and 
> starts to relay. when i run xmms from another machine and connect, it 
> stops at "pre-buffering 0/32k". here's an strace of the icecast server 
> at that time:
> 
> poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 100)   = 0
> poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 100)   = 0
> poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 100)   = 0
> poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 100)   = 0
> poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 100)   = 0
> poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 100)   = 0
> poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN, revents=POLLIN}], 1, 100) = 1
> getsockopt(3, SOL_SOCKET, SO_TYPE, [1], [4]) = 0
> accept(3, {sin_family=AF_INET, sin_port=htons(32992), 
> sin_addr=inet_addr("192.168.200.201")}}, [16]) = 9
> rt_sigtimedwait(ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
> [?], ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
> 0xffff, 0x80, -268442784) = 0
> rt_sigtimedwait(ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
> [?], ptrace: umoven: Input/output error
> 0xffff, 0x8, -268442800) = 0
> time(NULL)                              = 1047243022
> kill(25894, SIGRT_0)                    = 0
> poll([{fd=3, events=POLLIN}], 1, 100)   = -1 EINTR (Interrupted system 
> call)
> +++ killed by SIGKILL +++
> 
> kernel is 2.2.20-smp (2.4 unfortunately does not work on sparc32-smp :(( ).
> 
> any guesses ? is anyone seeing similar problems on other platforms with 
> current cvs (2003-03-09 19:30 utc) or have i run into a sparc-specific 
> problem ?
> if you need more info, i'll be happy to provide it.
> 
> best,
> 
> j?rn
> 
> 
> 

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From ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz  Mon Mar 10 00:45:39 2003
From: ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz (Ross Levis)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:45:39 +1300
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 memory requirements
Message-ID: <84C0CDE57EDD0841880993D82051278E0A0EA2@bagheera.internal.cch.co.nz>



I mentioned the other day about a new company I'm involved with setting
up 1000's of streams using Vorbis.  This appears to be the favoured
format now so that is good news.  They are also investigating hosting
the IceCast server(s) at their own premices rather than using a stream
hosting provider.

It was mentioned that 1000's of streams could likely be processed by
IceCast2 on the same PC (2Ghz or more) and the bottleneck would be the
Internet bandwidth required for the number of listeners.

I would like estimates of the amount of RAM required on the PC per
stream and per listener.  The streams will all average 32kb/s.  Any
ideas?

If we take an example of 1000 streams with 30 listeners each = 30000
individual streams @ 32kb/s = 960Mb/s.  That doesn't sound like too
much.  One T1 connection will handle that easily.  But will IceCast and
one CPU handle that?

Regards,
Ross Levis.
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From ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz  Mon Mar 10 00:58:53 2003
From: ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz (Ross Levis)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 13:58:53 +1300
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 memory requirements
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Mmmm.  On 2nd thought, I believe I have my decimal points in the wrong
place.  We would need 100's of T1 connnections.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] 
> On Behalf Of Ross Levis
> Sent: Monday, 10 March 2003 13:46
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 memory requirements
> 
> 
> I mentioned the other day about a new company I'm involved 
> with setting up 1000's of streams using Vorbis.  This appears 
> to be the favoured format now so that is good news.  They are 
> also investigating hosting the IceCast server(s) at their own 
> premices rather than using a stream hosting provider.
> 
> It was mentioned that 1000's of streams could likely be 
> processed by IceCast2 on the same PC (2Ghz or more) and the 
> bottleneck would be the Internet bandwidth required for the 
> number of listeners.
> 
> I would like estimates of the amount of RAM required on the 
> PC per stream and per listener.  The streams will all average 
> 32kb/s.  Any ideas?
> 
> If we take an example of 1000 streams with 30 listeners each 
> = 30000 individual streams @ 32kb/s = 960Mb/s.  That doesn't 
> sound like too much.  One T1 connection will handle that 
> easily.  But will IceCast and one CPU handle that?
> 
> Regards,
> Ross Levis.
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From ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz  Mon Mar 10 04:47:19 2003
From: ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz (Ross Levis)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 17:47:19 +1300
Subject: [icecast] playlist streams
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Hello again

No replies regarding memory requirements!

I have an idea to provide 1000's of streams without the requirement of
100's of source PC's, and perhaps without even requiring Icecast at all.
But I'm not sure if this will work.

We will have thousands of 24 hour playlists generated everyday by
software I'm developing.  If we encode all our audio files at 32kb/s,
could we not just supply a link to the playlist files directly on our
server.  So in effect, our server is just acting like a hard disk and
listeners are playing the files directly.  Would this work?

What I also envisage is writing software that continually trims songs
from the top of the playlists as time goes by throughout the day so new
listeners will start listening at roughly the scheduled time.  The only
problem I can think of is file security.  Is there any way to prevent
the individual songs from being downloaded?

As an alternative, am I right in assuming IceCast is capable of
providing streams directly from playlist files?  Is there any other
major advantages of using Icecast compared to the direct access method
above?

Thanks for you time.

Ross Levis.
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From adon at yorku.ca  Mon Mar 10 05:31:58 2003
From: adon at yorku.ca (Adon Irani)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 00:31:58 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] playlist streams
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>
> We will have thousands of 24 hour playlists generated everyday by
> software I'm developing.  If we encode all our audio files at 32kb/s,
> could we not just supply a link to the playlist files directly on our
> server.  So in effect, our server is just acting like a hard disk and
> listeners are playing the files directly.  Would this work?

you mean you have a pool of .ogg/.mp3 files ( perhaps an open po0l with
personal folders, etc ) . and you want to generate a playlist to a select
few or more of these files .. so that a listener will tune in at a certain
time, and listen to whichever types of songs you've decided for that time
.

you don't want to do live simulcast sh0ws , correct? .. just offer 24-7
music ( which will change depending on the time ) . you don't want to have
actual radio shows w/ song intro's , etc . .

this you can certainly do . instead of having icecast generate the .m3u
file , you could do this through php . for instance ,, if you listen to a
stream on http://theDV8network.com , you'll notice a counter index and the
source ip in the .m3u - basically ;i'm tracking this info in sql , and
then generating a custom playlist file in the icecast webro0t dir . i then
have a webpage with a meta http refresher to load the custom m3u file .

o your website/proggie can definately generate a playlist on the fly . it
would be more difficult to alter the playlist in real-time however ..
though i'm sure it could be managed .

<p>>
> What I also envisage is writing software that continually trims songs
> from the top of the playlists as time goes by throughout the day so new
> listeners will start listening at roughly the scheduled time.  The only
> problem I can think of is file security.  Is there any way to prevent
> the individual songs from being downloaded?

if you have all the songs registered in a database , you could have an
already played index to track this ; and generate a rand0m song list and
filter out those tracks already played . and have different logics for the
different time of day .

,and i don't think the streams CAN be downloaded if the links are .m3u .
but i'm sure someone else can say more on this . (i'm told that winamp
does have a ripper plugin ).

>
> As an alternative, am I right in assuming IceCast is capable of
> providing streams directly from playlist files?  Is there any other
> major advantages of using Icecast compared to the direct access method
> above?

if you're not live encoding , icecast prolly still has performance
advantages over other on-demand streamers ( mod_mp3 for apache ,etc )..
but icecast also supports ogg vorbis which is a superior audio format on a
number of measures .

<p> a:/,

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From ross at stationplaylist.com  Tue Mar 11 07:01:12 2003
From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:01:12 +1300
Subject: [icecast] playlist streams
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Adon Irani wrote:

>you mean you have a pool of .ogg/.mp3 files ( perhaps an open po0l with
>personal folders, etc ) . and you want to generate a playlist to a select
>few or more of these files .. so that a listener will tune in at a certain
>time, and listen to whichever types of songs you've decided for that time
>  
>
Basically, yes.

>you don't want to do live simulcast sh0ws , correct? .. just offer 24-7
>music ( which will change depending on the time ) . you don't want to have
>actual radio shows w/ song intro's , etc . .
>
That is correct, however, there will be song intro's etc because they 
will be pre-recorded as audio files.

>this you can certainly do . instead of having icecast generate the .m3u
>file , you could do this through php .
>
Ideally, yes.  However, I will be writing a standalone Windows app to 
generate the m3u's on a daily basis.

>if you have all the songs registered in a database , you could have an
>already played index to track this ; and generate a rand0m song list and
>filter out those tracks already played . and have different logics for the
>different time of day .
>  
>
I can't go into details but the song selection won't be random.  They 
will all be pre-selected manually by lots of DJ's and sent to the main 
server.  My app will be combining lots of 2 hour shows into different 
playlists for different streams.

>if you're not live encoding , icecast prolly still has performance
>advantages over other on-demand streamers
>
That's nice to know, however, I was talking about the alternative of not 
using a streamer at all.  ie. The M3U's look like a local playlist with 
each audio file specified in it.  However, this would provide easy 
downloads if anyone looked at the m3u so I don't think we will go this way.

I still need to know quite urgently if IceCast can provide a stream from 
a pre-built M3U playlist file or not.  Is this possible?

Thanks,
Ross Levis.

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From adon at yorku.ca  Mon Mar 10 07:09:40 2003
From: adon at yorku.ca (Adon Irani)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 02:09:40 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] playlist streams
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>
> >you don't want to do live simulcast sh0ws , correct? .. just offer 24-7
> >music ( which will change depending on the time ) . you don't want to have
> >actual radio shows w/ song intro's , etc . .
> >
> That is correct, however, there will be song intro's etc because they
> will be pre-recorded as audio files.

right . but all the content is pre-recorded and stored on the server ? in
which case , you just need to track the song names and generate a custom
m3u for it .

i'm pretty sure an m3u file can contain multiple lines (ie, songs to play
)

> Ideally, yes.  However, I will be writing a standalone Windows app to
> generate the m3u's on a daily basis.

the m3u doesn't have to be on the same server as the mp3/ogg files , but
your windows app would have to be able to determine what files to expect
on the server and where  .,

<p>>
> I still need to know quite urgently if IceCast can provide a stream from
> a pre-built M3U playlist file or not.  Is this possible?

yes . so long as the playlist file is on the same server (or if it can be
generated by a local script )  , you can use ices (the icecast streamer )
. this will read a playlist file and stream through icecast . you can
then connect to this stream via its mountpoint .. so if you needed to
have 1ooo's of playlists , you would still need to have 1ooo's of
mountpoints .

however, if you are using the fileserve option ; you only need to generate
a playlist that links to these songs . however, this again opens up
security issues of direct access to the songs ( perhaps someone else can
speak about this .. i'm not sure how this all works )

 a:/,

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Mon Mar 10 09:05:37 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:05:37 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] playlist streams
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Ross Levis wrote:

> That is correct, however, there will be song intro's etc because they
> will be pre-recorded as audio files.

My experience is that if you just want to stream content from a web server,
there won't be nice and neat transitions between your files.  If you have
an M3U like so:

http://www.myserver.com/content/songintro.mp3
http://www.myserver.com/content/song.mp3

And play that in your player of choice, my experience is that the player
will buffer and play the intro, *then* buffer and play the song.  So
there'll be a gap whilst the song is being buffered, after the intro.  Not
likely to be the result you're looking for.

Geoff.

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From ross at stationplaylist.com  Tue Mar 11 09:41:55 2003
From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 22:41:55 +1300
Subject: [icecast] playlist streams
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Geoff Shang wrote:

>My experience is that if you just want to stream content from a web server,
>there won't be nice and neat transitions between your files.
>  
>
Yes, I see, of course.  OK we won't do that, so can we use IceCast to 
stream a pre-built playlist file containing individual .ogg files all 
encoded at the required bitrate?  I'm hoping so, so we don't have to 
purchase 500+ PC's to feed all the streams to IceCast.  Can someone 
confirm if this is possible.

Thanks,
Ross Levis.

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Mon Mar 10 12:53:04 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 22:53:04 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] playlist streams
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Ross Levis wrote:

> Yes, I see, of course.  OK we won't do that, so can we use IceCast to
> stream a pre-built playlist file containing individual .ogg files all
> encoded at the required bitrate?  I'm hoping so, so we don't have to
> purchase 500+ PC's to feed all the streams to IceCast.  Can someone
> confirm if this is possible.

You'll need to use something like ices to send the stream to icecast, but
it will indeed do this and I think that the overhead wouldn't be all that
high, since it doesn't have to re-encode.  I just looked at an ices setup
running on a friend's system.  We have 3 streams being served, one
re-encoded to 64kbps, one re-encoded to 24kbps and one served as is
(44.1khz stereo quality 3).  There appear to be 5 threads.  Using ps aux, I
can see that one process is using 14.3% CPU and another is using 4.3%.  I'm
guessing these are the re-encodes.  the other 3 have such low usage that
each
registers 0.0%.  So  this would seem to confirm my thinking on the subject.
One of these 3 would be the straight send without re-encoding.

Geoff.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Mar 10 12:54:36 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:54:36 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 memory requirements
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On Monday 10 March 2003 11:45, Ross Levis wrote:
> I mentioned the other day about a new company I'm involved with setting
> up 1000's of streams using Vorbis.  This appears to be the favoured
> format now so that is good news.  They are also investigating hosting
> the IceCast server(s) at their own premices rather than using a stream
> hosting provider.
>
> It was mentioned that 1000's of streams could likely be processed by
> IceCast2 on the same PC (2Ghz or more) and the bottleneck would be the
> Internet bandwidth required for the number of listeners.

Thousands of clients. Thousands of streams was something we said would require 
some work (but should be possible).

>
> I would like estimates of the amount of RAM required on the PC per
> stream and per listener.  The streams will all average 32kb/s.  Any
> ideas?

RAM requirements are low. I haven't done any real measurement, and memory 
usage hasn't been an optimisation goal so far - but I'd say worst case would 
on the order of 20 kB per client. Significantly less for the typical case.

>
> If we take an example of 1000 streams with 30 listeners each = 30000
> individual streams @ 32kb/s = 960Mb/s.  That doesn't sound like too
> much.  One T1 connection will handle that easily.  But will IceCast and
> one CPU handle that?

960 Mb/s is a... lot. That's more than gigabit ethernet will cope with (once 
you factor in all the protocol overheads), and a T1 is way underpowered for 
that.

Right now, icecast wouldn't handle this load anyway. 30000 listeners might be 
possibly on a high-end cpu (and there's some very low-hanging optimisation 
fruit if it didn't), but 1000 streams is less likely to be easy - whilst the 
design should scale up to hundreds of streams, there are some optimisations 
which would likely be required (again, easy ones - but they'd still be 
neccesary), scaling to 1000 would be difficult (at this load level, you'll be 
seriously stressing out most unixes - solaris might be ok, but I don't know, 
the win32 icecast2 port has some limits to total clients at the moment, linux 
would have serious trouble with that many threads (that's apparently fixed in 
2.5 kernels, but that's for the future...).

The optimisations needed for most of these things are not in themselves 
difficult - but for the most part they only manifest under extreme loads. 
This makes it difficult to test effectively (I have fairly low-end hardware 
for my development, and certainly nothing exciting for network connectivity).

Mike

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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Mar 10 12:59:28 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 23:59:28 +1100
Subject: [icecast] playlist streams
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On Monday 10 March 2003 15:47, Ross Levis wrote:
> Hello again
>
> No replies regarding memory requirements!
>
> I have an idea to provide 1000's of streams without the requirement of
> 100's of source PC's, and perhaps without even requiring Icecast at all.
> But I'm not sure if this will work.
>
> We will have thousands of 24 hour playlists generated everyday by
> software I'm developing.  If we encode all our audio files at 32kb/s,
> could we not just supply a link to the playlist files directly on our
> server.  So in effect, our server is just acting like a hard disk and
> listeners are playing the files directly.  Would this work?

Yes. There are two possibilities here: either run them as normal streams, or 
use the file serving functionality in icecast.

As normal streams, you'd just tell your source client (assuming you're using 
one which is capable - ices can do this, as can many others) to send the 
preencoded files.

For file serving, you don't get rate control or anything like that - icecast 
does this, but in this case is acting just like a normal web server (though 
the implementation means that it'll be better than something like apache for 
serving thousands of simultaneous clients). However, there are 
highly-optimised web servers that can do better still. You lose all the 
advantages of icecast by taking this approach, but it is simple to run.

>
> What I also envisage is writing software that continually trims songs
> from the top of the playlists as time goes by throughout the day so new
> listeners will start listening at roughly the scheduled time.  The only
> problem I can think of is file security.  Is there any way to prevent
> the individual songs from being downloaded?

No. This is what 'no rate control' means in the previous sentence. You can't 
easily or reliably prevent this from happening

>
> As an alternative, am I right in assuming IceCast is capable of
> providing streams directly from playlist files?  Is there any other
> major advantages of using Icecast compared to the direct access method
> above?
>

As described above - yes. The advantages are that you can get various 
statistics on client connections (though much of the admin interface is 
imcomplete, there's quite a bit there in one form or another), rate control, 
automatic dropping of clients which can't read the stream fast enough, etc.

Mike

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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Mar 10 13:03:01 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 00:03:01 +1100
Subject: [icecast] playlist streams
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> I still need to know quite urgently if IceCast can provide a stream from
> a pre-built M3U playlist file or not.  Is this possible?

Icecast itself can't - but most source clients can (_without_ reencoding, so 
the cpu load is fairly low). ices does this well.

'Urgent' requests like this tend not to get quick replies - one of the 
downsides of open source/free software is that it's typically stuff we work 
on outside business hours - so if you want quick support, etc., you may be 
lucky, but there are no guarantees. (we're happy to provide support or 
development for money/under contract, for anyone who is interested, by the 
way).

Mike

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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Mar 10 13:04:27 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 00:04:27 +1100
Subject: [icecast] playlist streams
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> I still need to know quite urgently if IceCast can provide a stream from
> a pre-built M3U playlist file or not.  Is this possible?

<p>Additionally - icecast can actually directly serve the m3u file to the 
clients, and then the clients can individually access the songs. This brings 
up the issue of making ripping streams rather easier than you'd like, of 
course.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Mar 10 13:05:53 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 00:05:53 +1100
Subject: [icecast] playlist streams
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On Tuesday 11 March 2003 20:41, Ross Levis wrote:
> Geoff Shang wrote:
> >My experience is that if you just want to stream content from a web
> > server, there won't be nice and neat transitions between your files.
>
> Yes, I see, of course.  OK we won't do that, so can we use IceCast to
> stream a pre-built playlist file containing individual .ogg files all
> encoded at the required bitrate?  I'm hoping so, so we don't have to
> purchase 500+ PC's to feed all the streams to IceCast.  Can someone
> confirm if this is possible.
>

As previously mentioned - this is what source clients are for. icecast could, 
in theory, do this (and adding support for it wouldn't be a huge amount of 
work), but it doesn't do so currently.

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From ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz  Mon Mar 10 20:07:38 2003
From: ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz (Ross Levis)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:07:38 +1300
Subject: [icecast] playlist streams
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Geoff Shang wrote:
> the other 3 have such low usage that each 
> registers 0.0%.  So  this would seem to confirm my thinking 
> on the subject. One of these 3 would be the straight send 
> without re-encoding.

Thanks for your reply Geoff.  This is very useful.  Would the OddCastDSP
plugin work the same for Winamp?  Or is there any other option for
servicing IceCast via a Windows PC without re-encoding?  The audio
source PC will have to be Windows, even if IceCast is running on Linux.
I need to find the least expensive solution for 1000's of streams as
soon as possible so I can suggest the best method to the company who is
waiting on me for a reply.

Thanks all,

Ross Levis.
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From ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz  Mon Mar 10 20:37:29 2003
From: ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz (Ross Levis)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:37:29 +1300
Subject: [icecast] playlist streams
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Thanks for all your replies and clearing that up Mike.

Ross.

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> 
> 
> 
> > I still need to know quite urgently if IceCast can provide a stream 
> > from a pre-built M3U playlist file or not.  Is this possible?
> 
> 
> Additionally - icecast can actually directly serve the m3u 
> file to the 
> clients, and then the clients can individually access the 
> songs. This brings 
> up the issue of making ripping streams rather easier than 
> you'd like, of 
> course.
> 
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From gshang at uq.net.au  Mon Mar 10 23:18:52 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 09:18:52 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] playlist streams
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2003, Ross Levis wrote:

> Thanks for your reply Geoff.  This is very useful.  Would the OddCastDSP
> plugin work the same for Winamp?

I doubt it.  Since the files are being played by a player, I'd think that
oddcast DSP et al would re-encode.  But I guess Oddsock can answer this
question.

>  Or is there any other option for
> servicing IceCast via a Windows PC without re-encoding?  The audio
> source PC will have to be Windows, even if IceCast is running on Linux.

Not that I know of.  This would seem to be a hole that needs filling.

Geoff.

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From alany at techalan.com  Tue Mar 11 18:17:00 2003
From: alany at techalan.com (Alan Young)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 10:17:00 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] Howto stream using icecast/ices bit rate peeled ogg files
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Icecast / Vorbis community,

I have a icecast/ices audio streaming server from which I stream ogg audio
files.  I know that I can encode different streams for low, medium and /or
high quality broadcasts (for example).  However, I would like to have one
stream that uses bit rate peeling to send the user the highest quality
stream that their bandwidth will allow.

Has any one done this?  Does any one know if this currently possible?

Thank you,

Alan Young

PS. I have the tools to bit rate peel a file, I just don?t know how to get
it to work with icecast/ices.

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From brendan at xiph.org  Tue Mar 11 19:05:02 2003
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:05:02 -0500
Subject: [icecast] compilling error   ices-0.2.3 cvs
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On Sunday, 09 March 2003 at 01:53, ronnie at mixsessions.com wrote:
> 
> Brendan Cully wrote:
> >This particular error is because you used --with-libshout= instead of --with-libshout
> 
> Is the above a typo. They look the same with the exception of the "=". I am new to linux so please
> be forgiving.

Don't type it with the '=' alone. Only use '=' if you want to put something after it.

> I downloaded both ices and libshout. I tried to compile with "--with-shout-config=/etc/stream" but
> this returned the same result as in the previous email:
>  "checking for shout_new in -lshout... no
>  configure: error: Could not find a usable installed libshout".
> 
> So I tried "--with-libshout=/etc/stream" and this time it did work.Yeah! BUT when I did make I

this doesn't do anything - you would have gotten the same results by just typing
./configure

but --with-shout-config expected the path to a program named shout-config, eg:
--with-shout-config=/usr/local/bin/shout-config

Since you gave it no explicit instructions, it found that one by itself.

ANYway...

> setup.c: In function `ices_setup_parse_config_file':
> setup.c:251: `ICES_ETCDIR' undeclared (first use in this function)

This was an automake issue (CVS source expected automake 1.7). It should be
fixed now, so update and try again.

Alternatively you can try the snapshot available at:

http://www.icecast.org/~brendan/

-b

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From scriven at lore.com  Tue Mar 11 22:47:14 2003
From: scriven at lore.com (Adam Scriven)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 14:47:14 -0800
Subject: [icecast] ices 'script' playlist information?
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Ok, I've got one more question.

I've got my stream largly working... I don't have any of the external,
web-based stuff necessary to build lists, ETC... but the streams themselves
are working quite well.

My question is, using the script playlist option.. how can I tell ices that
the playlist is over?
I know I can just keep sending the same result over and over, but that seems
rather ineligant.  Is there a "magic" string, or perhaps a null string that
will tell ices to give up right away, or do I need to just repeat the last
entry in the playlist over and over until ices gives up?

Thanks again!
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From msmith at xiph.org  Tue Mar 11 23:06:09 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:06:09 +1100
Subject: [icecast] ices 'script' playlist information?
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On Wednesday 12 March 2003 09:47, Adam Scriven wrote:
> Ok, I've got one more question.
>
> I've got my stream largly working... I don't have any of the external,
> web-based stuff necessary to build lists, ETC... but the streams themselves
> are working quite well.
>
> My question is, using the script playlist option.. how can I tell ices that
> the playlist is over?
> I know I can just keep sending the same result over and over, but that
> seems rather ineligant.  Is there a "magic" string, or perhaps a null
> string that will tell ices to give up right away, or do I need to just
> repeat the last entry in the playlist over and over until ices gives up?
>

An empty line should do the trick.

Mike

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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Tue Mar 11 23:24:42 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 11 Mar 2003 23:24:42 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Howto stream using icecast/ices bit rate peeled ogg files
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On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 18:17, Alan Young wrote:
> Icecast / Vorbis community,
> 
> I have a icecast/ices audio streaming server from which I stream ogg audio
> files.  I know that I can encode different streams for low, medium and /or
> high quality broadcasts (for example).  However, I would like to have one
> stream that uses bit rate peeling to send the user the highest quality
> stream that their bandwidth will allow.

That would be a ideal solution but strictly speaking bitrate peeling is
a todo feature.  The spec allows for it but the current encoders are not
tuned enough for doing that sort of thing well enough.  ices currently
has no support for it yet, so re-encoding is the current solution.

karl.

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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Tue Mar 11 23:29:26 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 11 Mar 2003 23:29:26 +0000
Subject: [icecast] ices 'script' playlist information?
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On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 22:47, Adam Scriven wrote:

> My question is, using the script playlist option.. how can I tell ices that
> the playlist is over?
> I know I can just keep sending the same result over and over, but that seems
> rather ineligant.  Is there a "magic" string, or perhaps a null string that
> will tell ices to give up right away, or do I need to just repeat the last
> entry in the playlist over and over until ices gives up?

I think if you don't send anything back it will cause it to terminate.
If that doesn't work then let me know.

karl.
 

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From medwards at ualberta.ca  Tue Mar 11 23:59:20 2003
From: medwards at ualberta.ca (M Edwards)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:59:20 -0700
Subject: [icecast] ices 'script' playlist information?
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I can heartily garuntee that if your script doesn't return anything ices will 
whine about only getting newlines and promptly terminate. For you this is 
desired behaviour. For me it was undesired.. god it took me awhile to work the 
kinks out of that script...

--thanks
Michael Edwards
http://www.walledcity.ca/

>===== Original Message From Karl Heyes <karl at pts.tele2.co.uk> =====
>On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 22:47, Adam Scriven wrote:
>
>> My question is, using the script playlist option.. how can I tell ices that
>> the playlist is over?
>> I know I can just keep sending the same result over and over, but that 
seems
>> rather ineligant.  Is there a "magic" string, or perhaps a null string that
>> will tell ices to give up right away, or do I need to just repeat the last
>> entry in the playlist over and over until ices gives up?
>
>I think if you don't send anything back it will cause it to terminate.
>If that doesn't work then let me know.
>
>karl.
>
>
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From alany at techalan.com  Wed Mar 12 00:19:43 2003
From: alany at techalan.com (Alan Young)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:19:43 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] Howto stream using icecast/ices bit rate peeled ogg files
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Thanks.  Do you or any one have an idea about when the functionality
(ices) will be implemented?

Thanks for any information!

Alan

<p>> On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 18:17, Alan Young wrote:
>> Icecast / Vorbis community,
>>
>> I have a icecast/ices audio streaming server from which I stream ogg
>> audio files.  I know that I can encode different streams for low,
>> medium and /or high quality broadcasts (for example).  However, I
>> would like to have one stream that uses bit rate peeling to send the
>> user the highest quality stream that their bandwidth will allow.
>
> That would be a ideal solution but strictly speaking bitrate peeling is
> a todo feature.  The spec allows for it but the current encoders are not
> tuned enough for doing that sort of thing well enough.  ices currently
> has no support for it yet, so re-encoding is the current solution.
>
> karl.
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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Wed Mar 12 00:39:41 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 12 Mar 2003 00:39:41 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Howto stream using icecast/ices bit rate peeled ogg files
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On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 00:19, Alan Young wrote:
> Thanks.  Do you or any one have an idea about when the functionality
> (ices) will be implemented?

unfortunately not, the functionality needs to work in the vorbis libs
first. As far as I understand it, you will need to build the ogg
file/stream with a peel-tuned vorbis encoder before they can be peeled
with any desirable effect. The encoder inside ices uses the vorbis libs
from xiph and v1.0 does not do that, but hopefully when the video codec
(theora) integration is sorted then this sort of thing can be worked on.

<p>karl.

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From alany at techalan.com  Wed Mar 12 00:42:28 2003
From: alany at techalan.com (Alan Young)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 16:42:28 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] Howto stream using icecast/ices bit rate peeled ogg files
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Ok, thank you. I will keep me self tuned in so that I can start working on
this when the functionality is implented.  For right now I will stick with
ices encoding multiple streams.

Thanks!

Alan

> On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 00:19, Alan Young wrote:
>> Thanks.  Do you or any one have an idea about when the functionality
>> (ices) will be implemented?
>
> unfortunately not, the functionality needs to work in the vorbis libs
> first. As far as I understand it, you will need to build the ogg
> file/stream with a peel-tuned vorbis encoder before they can be peeled
> with any desirable effect. The encoder inside ices uses the vorbis libs
> from xiph and v1.0 does not do that, but hopefully when the video codec
> (theora) integration is sorted then this sort of thing can be worked on.
>
>
> karl.
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From gshang at uq.net.au  Wed Mar 12 01:24:32 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:24:32 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Howto stream using icecast/ices bit rate peeled ogg files
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Hi:

Actually, if the stream were to peal to the best quality dependent on a
listener's bandwidth, the capability would have to be in icecast, surely.

Geoff.

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From ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz  Wed Mar 12 03:33:52 2003
From: ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz (Ross Levis)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:33:52 +1300
Subject: [icecast] Recommended IceCast streaming hosts
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Can anyone suggest a streaming host company with lots of bandwidth that
supports IceCast streams, or at least knows how to setup & maintain
IceCast.

Thanks,
Ross Levis.
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From scriven at lore.com  Wed Mar 12 04:28:36 2003
From: scriven at lore.com (Adam Scriven)
Date: Tue, 11 Mar 2003 20:28:36 -0800
Subject: [icecast] ices 'script' playlist information?
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On Tue, Mar 11, 2003 at 11:29:26PM +0000, Karl Heyes wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-03-11 at 22:47, Adam Scriven wrote:
> > I know I can just keep sending the same result over and over, but that seems
> > rather ineligant.  Is there a "magic" string, or perhaps a null string that
> > will tell ices to give up right away, or do I need to just repeat the last
> > entry in the playlist over and over until ices gives up?
> 
> I think if you don't send anything back it will cause it to terminate.
> If that doesn't work then let me know.

Yup, I just 'exit'ed the program, sending no output, and it works like a
charm.

The program is rather trivial, actually.  It's 353 lines, but that's PERL,
and I don't program K&R style (IE If... { all on one line), and there's
a lot of comments and error checking.
I may even post it, if there are people interested.  I'd like to get some
feedback on it after I know it's working properly.

It does depend on more files that aren't programmed (to setup the streams,
clean up afterwards, stuff like that), but the playlist picker itself is
working just fine, it can even insert ads at random intervals. :)

Thanks for all the help!
Adam
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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Wed Mar 12 08:11:49 2003
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:11:49 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Recommended IceCast streaming hosts
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Ross Levis wrote:
> Can anyone suggest a streaming host company with lots of bandwidth that
> supports IceCast streams, or at least knows how to setup & maintain
> IceCast.

ince icecast2 is in beta and cvs only, you won't find any sane company 
who will deploy and support it for you. otoh, using an old version is 
missing half the fun. why not just get a root server or co-locate your 
own hardware somewhere with a huge uplink  and roll your own ?

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From pharkawik at hampshire.edu  Wed Mar 12 08:24:35 2003
From: pharkawik at hampshire.edu (pharkawik at hampshire.edu)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:24:35 -0500
Subject: [icecast] php script for listener count and www admin interface password
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i am looking for a simple php script or anything really that will allow 
me to display a listener count on a simple web page. "5 users currently 
connected" sort of thing. i have scoured the web with no luck. i would 
even settle for a shell script that would pull the number out of the 
icecast.conf file. i don't care how it happens as long as it isn't a 
windows program.

it has to work with icecast 1x because i can't figure out how to 
install icecast 2 and nothing i've found yet on the web is all that 
helpful. is someone planning on doing another "alpha" build because the 
nightly builds do not work for me.

one last thing-i am running 1x on a debian linux server. when i try to 
access certain areas of the WWW admin interface, i am prompted for a 
user/pass, apache style. what the HELL is this user/pass????

thanks in advance,
peter

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From marco at sbg.se  Wed Mar 12 09:42:06 2003
From: marco at sbg.se (Marco Alanen)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:42:06 +0000
Subject: [icecast] php script for listener count and www admin interface password
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:24:35 -0500
pharkawik at hampshire.edu wrote:

> i am looking for a simple php script or anything really that will allow 
> me to display a listener count on a simple web page. "5 users currently 
> connected" sort of thing. i have scoured the web with no luck. i would 
> even settle for a shell script that would pull the number out of the 
> icecast.conf file. i don't care how it happens as long as it isn't a 
> windows program.
> 
> it has to work with icecast 1x because i can't figure out how to 
> install icecast 2 and nothing i've found yet on the web is all that 
> helpful. is someone planning on doing another "alpha" build because the 
> nightly builds do not work for me.
> 
> one last thing-i am running 1x on a debian linux server. when i try to 
> access certain areas of the WWW admin interface, i am prompted for a 
> user/pass, apache style. what the HELL is this user/pass????
> 
> thanks in advance,
> peter
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Greetings.

My friend made a Perl script for my stream (http://oc.ormgas.com).
Features:
 * Capable of displaying X next songs (the number is configurable)
 * Display X played songs
 * Randomize playlist
 * HTML output
 * Display the time when the songs start 

Though the script isn't that general and mostly tight to my page and my
id3v2 program - id3artson.
You can find the script at http://sourceforge.net/projects/icemanager
but he hasn't uploaded it yet :) I'll tell him to do it when he wakes up.

 /Marco

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From marco at sbg.se  Wed Mar 12 09:51:09 2003
From: marco at sbg.se (Marco Alanen)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 09:51:09 +0000
Subject: [icecast] php script for listener count and www admin interface password
In-Reply-To: <0ED0C712-5464-11D7-890D-000393CE32DC@hampshire.edu>
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:24:35 -0500
pharkawik at hampshire.edu wrote:

> i am looking for a simple php script or anything really that will allow 
> me to display a listener count on a simple web page. "5 users currently 
> connected" sort of thing. i have scoured the web with no luck. i would 
> even settle for a shell script that would pull the number out of the 
> icecast.conf file. i don't care how it happens as long as it isn't a 
> windows program.
<snip>

Oh.. Just read your mail a little more careful... I misinterpreted it :D
But you can use the http://your.stream.ip.here:port/list.cgi to achieve
that.

 /Marco
 
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From pharkawik at hampshire.edu  Wed Mar 12 09:01:33 2003
From: pharkawik at hampshire.edu (pharkawik at hampshire.edu)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 04:01:33 -0500
Subject: [icecast] php script for listener count and www admin interface password
In-Reply-To: <20030312095109.5cc992c2.marco@sbg.se>
Message-ID: <391C95FA-5469-11D7-890D-000393CE32DC@hampshire.edu>



yes.. but can anybody tell me how to pull a simple listener count out 
of that page with php?

also still don't know how to figure out that HTTP user/pass problem... 
there is NOTHING about it in the docs or online

-p

On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 04:51 AM, Marco Alanen wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 03:24:35 -0500
> pharkawik at hampshire.edu wrote:
>
>> i am looking for a simple php script or anything really that will 
>> allow
>> me to display a listener count on a simple web page. "5 users 
>> currently
>> connected" sort of thing. i have scoured the web with no luck. i would
>> even settle for a shell script that would pull the number out of the
>> icecast.conf file. i don't care how it happens as long as it isn't a
>> windows program.
> <snip>
>
> Oh.. Just read your mail a little more careful... I misinterpreted it 
> :D
> But you can use the http://your.stream.ip.here:port/list.cgi to achieve
> that.
>
>  /Marco
>
> ----------------------------
> Embedded RT System Developer
>
> Marco Alanen
> Svensk ByggnadsGeodesi AB
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> 141 45  HUDDINGE
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>
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From marco at sbg.se  Wed Mar 12 10:11:18 2003
From: marco at sbg.se (Marco Alanen)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:11:18 +0000
Subject: [icecast] php script for listener count and www admin interface password
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Message-ID: <20030312101118.15587421.marco@sbg.se>



On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 04:01:33 -0500
pharkawik at hampshire.edu wrote:

> yes.. but can anybody tell me how to pull a simple listener count out 
> of that page with php?
> 
> also still don't know how to figure out that HTTP user/pass problem... 
> there is NOTHING about it in the docs or online

You need to find and edit mountlist.html, where you can enter some
commands with @COMMAND at . To get the current ammount of listeners, simply
write @LISTENERS@, or to make it a little more interesting:
@LISTENERS@/@MAXLISTENERS@
Regarding that admin page.. I've changed it so I've whitelisted a few
IP's (126.1.120.*, my internal ones) in icecast.conf. The access control is
at the bottom of that list. Here is what I have:

acl_policy 0
allow all 126.1.120.*
allow all 127.0.0.1 *
allow client *

 /Marco

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From pharkawik at hampshire.edu  Wed Mar 12 09:32:28 2003
From: pharkawik at hampshire.edu (pharkawik at hampshire.edu)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 04:32:28 -0500
Subject: [icecast] php script for listener count and www admin interface password
In-Reply-To: <20030312101118.15587421.marco@sbg.se>
Message-ID: <8AEEFE09-546D-11D7-890D-000393CE32DC@hampshire.edu>



i will try that. about the acl_policy thing:

this controls access but nowhere does it specify an HTTP username or 
password for accessing the WWW admin interface. i am NOT getting the 
usual "403 Forbidden You don't have access to this entity (stream or 
file). Please go away" error-- i can actually see the admin interface 
but certain pages bring up an HTTP authentication dialog.

where is the user/pass for the admin interface set? again this is a 
debian system so i'm not sure if the package is configured 
differently...

thanks,
peter

On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 05:11 AM, Marco Alanen wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 04:01:33 -0500
> pharkawik at hampshire.edu wrote:
>
>> yes.. but can anybody tell me how to pull a simple listener count out
>> of that page with php?
>>
>> also still don't know how to figure out that HTTP user/pass problem...
>> there is NOTHING about it in the docs or online
>
> You need to find and edit mountlist.html, where you can enter some
> commands with @COMMAND at . To get the current ammount of listeners, 
> simply
> write @LISTENERS@, or to make it a little more interesting:
> @LISTENERS@/@MAXLISTENERS@
> Regarding that admin page.. I've changed it so I've whitelisted a few
> IP's (126.1.120.*, my internal ones) in icecast.conf. The access 
> control is
> at the bottom of that list. Here is what I have:
>
> acl_policy 0
> allow all 126.1.120.*
> allow all 127.0.0.1 *
> allow client *
>
>  /Marco
>
> ----------------------------
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>
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> 141 45  HUDDINGE
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>
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From marco at sbg.se  Wed Mar 12 10:44:59 2003
From: marco at sbg.se (Marco Alanen)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:44:59 +0000
Subject: [icecast] php script for listener count and www admin interface password
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On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 04:32:28 -0500
pharkawik at hampshire.edu wrote:

> i will try that. about the acl_policy thing:
> 
> this controls access but nowhere does it specify an HTTP username or 
> password for accessing the WWW admin interface. i am NOT getting the 
> usual "403 Forbidden You don't have access to this entity (stream or 
> file). Please go away" error-- i can actually see the admin interface 
> but certain pages bring up an HTTP authentication dialog.
> 
> where is the user/pass for the admin interface set? again this is a 
> debian system so i'm not sure if the package is configured 
> differently...

Tried the admin_password field in icecast.conf?

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From pharkawik at hampshire.edu  Wed Mar 12 09:48:17 2003
From: pharkawik at hampshire.edu (pharkawik at hampshire.edu)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 04:48:17 -0500
Subject: [icecast] php script for listener count and www admin interface password
In-Reply-To: <20030312104459.1a06c077.marco@sbg.se>
Message-ID: <C08914BB-546F-11D7-890D-000393CE32DC@hampshire.edu>



i have tried every password specified in the conf file (including 
admin_password) and every conceivable default as the username and/or 
password for this dialog... no luck.

-p

On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 05:44 AM, Marco Alanen wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 04:32:28 -0500
> pharkawik at hampshire.edu wrote:
>
>> i will try that. about the acl_policy thing:
>>
>> this controls access but nowhere does it specify an HTTP username or
>> password for accessing the WWW admin interface. i am NOT getting the
>> usual "403 Forbidden You don't have access to this entity (stream or
>> file). Please go away" error-- i can actually see the admin interface
>> but certain pages bring up an HTTP authentication dialog.
>>
>> where is the user/pass for the admin interface set? again this is a
>> debian system so i'm not sure if the package is configured
>> differently...
>
> Tried the admin_password field in icecast.conf?
>
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From marco at sbg.se  Wed Mar 12 11:07:53 2003
From: marco at sbg.se (Marco Alanen)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 11:07:53 +0000
Subject: [icecast] php script for listener count and www admin interface password
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Message-ID: <20030312110753.4e4d06c8.marco@sbg.se>



On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 04:48:17 -0500
pharkawik at hampshire.edu wrote:

> i have tried every password specified in the conf file (including 
> admin_password) and every conceivable default as the username and/or 
> password for this dialog... no luck.

Doesn't Debian use encrypted passwords in icecast? Can't remember how
to encrypt them though :/

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From pharkawik at hampshire.edu  Wed Mar 12 10:18:24 2003
From: pharkawik at hampshire.edu (pharkawik at hampshire.edu)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 05:18:24 -0500
Subject: [icecast] php script for listener count and www admin interface password
In-Reply-To: <20030312110753.4e4d06c8.marco@sbg.se>
Message-ID: <F5769445-5473-11D7-890D-000393CE32DC@hampshire.edu>



that's right. i can make those fine. i have no problem connecting to 
the admin interface through a shell, or using the encoder password or 
anything. that's not the problem. the problem is that when i go to

http://server.com:8000/admin?mode=sources

in a web browser a dialog box comes up that says

+------------------------------------------------------------------+
|                                                                       
                    |
|   To view this page, you need to log in to area       |
|   "/admin" on server.com:8000.                                  |
|                                                                       
                    |
|   Name:        __________                                            |
|   Password: __________                                            |
|                                                                       
                    |
+------------------------------------------------------------------+

!!! where is this specified????!!!!?!??!

-p

To view this page, you need to log in to area "/admin" on 
server.com:8000. Your password will be sent in the clear.

<p>On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 06:07 AM, Marco Alanen wrote:

> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 04:48:17 -0500
> pharkawik at hampshire.edu wrote:
>
>> i have tried every password specified in the conf file (including
>> admin_password) and every conceivable default as the username and/or
>> password for this dialog... no luck.
>
> Doesn't Debian use encrypted passwords in icecast? Can't remember how
> to encrypt them though :/
>
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>
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From tom at worldofpain.net  Wed Mar 12 10:37:49 2003
From: tom at worldofpain.net (Tom Gray)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 10:37:49 +0000
Subject: [icecast] php script for listener count and www admin interface password
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Message-ID: <3E6F0DFD.6020907@worldofpain.net>



Search for the text 'Client Authentication Scheme' in manual.html in 
/doc from the icecast1 source tarball. This explains how you setup users 
in icecast1 very well - there *are* docs out there!

You need to make sure that you 3 files in your config directory:

users.aut : This holds the users and passwords separated by a colon, eg:

adminusr:somepass
sysadmin:somepass
normusr:somepass

groups.aut : This defines user groups and says which users are in which 
groups. Eg:

admin:adminuser,sysadmin

mounts.aut : This defines mountpoints on your icecast server (such as 
/admin) that you want to control access to. It lists mountpoints 
followed by a colon and a comma separated list of *groups* that you want 
to allow access to a mountpoint.

eg:
/admin:admin
(this allows the admin group access to the /admin mountpoint, provided 
they enter their password correctly of course).

Tom

pharkawik at hampshire.edu wrote:
> that's right. i can make those fine. i have no problem connecting to the 
> admin interface through a shell, or using the encoder password or 
> anything. that's not the problem. the problem is that when i go to
> 
> http://server.com:8000/admin?mode=sources
> 
> in a web browser a dialog box comes up that says
> 
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> |                                                                       
>                    |
> |   To view this page, you need to log in to area       |
> |   "/admin" on server.com:8000.                                  |
> |                                                                       
>                    |
> |   Name:        __________                                            |
> |   Password: __________                                            |
> |                                                                       
>                    |
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 
> !!! where is this specified????!!!!?!??!
> 
> -p
> 
> To view this page, you need to log in to area "/admin" on 
> server.com:8000. Your password will be sent in the clear.
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 06:07 AM, Marco Alanen wrote:
> 
>> On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 04:48:17 -0500
>> pharkawik at hampshire.edu wrote:
>>
>>> i have tried every password specified in the conf file (including
>>> admin_password) and every conceivable default as the username and/or
>>> password for this dialog... no luck.
>>
>>
>> Doesn't Debian use encrypted passwords in icecast? Can't remember how
>> to encrypt them though :/
>>
>> ----------------------------
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>>
>> Marco Alanen
>> Svensk ByggnadsGeodesi AB
>> Kvarnbergsv?gen 27
>> 141 45  HUDDINGE
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>>
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From ben at galactic-tales.de  Wed Mar 12 10:37:04 2003
From: ben at galactic-tales.de (Benjamin Podszun)
Date: 12 Mar 2003 11:37:04 +0100
Subject: [icecast] php script for listener count and www admin interface password
In-Reply-To: <F5769445-5473-11D7-890D-000393CE32DC@hampshire.edu>
Message-ID: <1047465424.4892.2.camel@localhost>


I guess you have edited /etc/icecast/*.aut?

users.aut:

username:cryptedpassword

groups.aut

admin:username
oper:username

mounts.aut

/admin:admin
/oper:oper

hth,
Ben

On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 11:18, pharkawik at hampshire.edu wrote:
> that's right. i can make those fine. i have no problem connecting to 
> the admin interface through a shell, or using the encoder password or 
> anything. that's not the problem. the problem is that when i go to
> 
> http://server.com:8000/admin?mode=sources
> 
> in a web browser a dialog box comes up that says
> 
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> |                                                                       
>                     |
> |   To view this page, you need to log in to area       |
> |   "/admin" on server.com:8000.                                  |
> |                                                                       
>                     |
> |   Name:        __________                                            |
> |   Password: __________                                            |
> |                                                                       
>                     |
> +------------------------------------------------------------------+
> 
> !!! where is this specified????!!!!?!??!
> 
> -p
> 
> To view this page, you need to log in to area "/admin" on 
> server.com:8000. Your password will be sent in the clear.
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, March 12, 2003, at 06:07 AM, Marco Alanen wrote:
> 
> > On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 04:48:17 -0500
> > pharkawik at hampshire.edu wrote:
> >
> >> i have tried every password specified in the conf file (including
> >> admin_password) and every conceivable default as the username and/or
> >> password for this dialog... no luck.
> >
> > Doesn't Debian use encrypted passwords in icecast? Can't remember how
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From bazin.nicolas at club-internet.fr  Thu Mar 13 00:12:24 2003
From: bazin.nicolas at club-internet.fr (Nicolas Bazin)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:12:24 +0100
Subject: [icecast] ices2 compilations problems
Message-ID: <54341082410.20030313011224@club-internet.fr>



Hi, I have an Ices2 comp problem, it can't find libshout.

I have installed Libshout 2.0 in /home/Darkmeteor

the configure line I'm using for ices2 is :
./configure --prefix=/home/Darkmeteor --with-ogg-prefix=/home/Darkmeteor --with-vorbis-prefix=/home/Darkmeteor --with-shout-prefix=/home/Darkmeteor

Problem :

checking for Ogg... yes
checking for Vorbis... yes
checking for Shout... no
*** Could not run Shout test program, checking why...
*** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
*** exact error that occured. This usually means Shout was incorrectly installed
*** or that you have moved Shout since it was installed. In the latter case, you
*** may want to edit the shout-config script: 
configure: error: must have libshout installed!

<p>and /home/Darkmeteor/include/shout/shout.h is here

I tried to recompile everything, and I still have that problem...
(FreeBSD 4.7 Stable, no root access)

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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Thu Mar 13 00:21:57 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 13 Mar 2003 00:21:57 +0000
Subject: [icecast] ices2 compilations problems
In-Reply-To: <54341082410.20030313011224@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <1047514917.1023.60.camel@bogus.hackers.club>



On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 00:12, Nicolas Bazin wrote:

> Problem :
> 
> checking for Ogg... yes
> checking for Vorbis... yes
> checking for Shout... no
> *** Could not run Shout test program, checking why...
> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
> *** exact error that occured. This usually means Shout was incorrectly installed
> *** or that you have moved Shout since it was installed. In the latter case, you
> *** may want to edit the shout-config script: 
> configure: error: must have libshout installed!
> 
> 
> and /home/Darkmeteor/include/shout/shout.h is here

can you send me the config.log

karl.

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From ronnie at mixsessions.com  Thu Mar 13 00:23:27 2003
From: ronnie at mixsessions.com (ronnie at mixsessions.com)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:23:27 -0500
Subject: [icecast] ices2 compilations problems
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] ices2 compilations problems>
Message-ID: <44A56A1E14334079823102B302B5FF80.MAI@123hostnow.us>



i'm not sure but should'nt it be --with-shout-config instead of --with-shout

<p><p>----- Original Message -----
From: Nicolas Bazin
To:  icecast at xiph.org
Sent: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:12:24 +0100
Subject: [icecast] ices2 compilations problems

Hi, I have an Ices2 comp problem, it can't find libshout.

I have installed Libshout 2.0 in /home/Darkmeteor

the configure line I'm using for ices2 is :
./configure --prefix=/home/Darkmeteor --with-ogg-prefix=/home/Darkmeteor --with-vorbis-prefix=/home
/Darkmeteor --with-shout-prefix=/home/Darkmeteor

Problem :

checking for Ogg... yes
checking for Vorbis... yes
checking for Shout... no
*** Could not run Shout test program, checking why...
*** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
*** exact error that occured. This usually means Shout was incorrectly installed
*** or that you have moved Shout since it was installed. In the latter case, you
*** may want to edit the shout-config script: 
configure: error: must have libshout installed!

<p>and /home/Darkmeteor/include/shout/shout.h is here

I tried to recompile everything, and I still have that problem...
(FreeBSD 4.7 Stable, no root access)

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From inzanekaoz at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 13 00:23:57 2003
From: inzanekaoz at yahoo.com (HJ)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:23:57 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] ices2 compilations problems
In-Reply-To: <54341082410.20030313011224@club-internet.fr>
Message-ID: <20030313002357.95940.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com>



The file 'config.log' from where you ran 'configure' usually has the
arguments passed to [g]cc, where it's really looking, what is't
really finding, and so-on.  Posting that here might help, or just
examining it closely might yield what's going on.

There's definately something wrong if it isn't finding your Shout,
but narrowing it down to a single configuration file or argument
makes debugging much, much easier even though you gave a good amount
of info as it is.

~HJ

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From bazin.nicolas at club-internet.fr  Thu Mar 13 00:26:19 2003
From: bazin.nicolas at club-internet.fr (Nicolas Bazin)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:26:19 +0100
Subject: [icecast] ices2 compilations problems
In-Reply-To: <1047514917.1023.60.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <190341916970.20030313012619@club-internet.fr>



Here is the config.log :

<p>-----------------------------------------------------------

This file contains any messages produced by compilers while
running configure, to aid debugging if configure makes a mistake.

It was created by configure, which was
generated by GNU Autoconf 2.57.  Invocation command line was

  $ ./configure --prefix=/home/Darkmeteor --with-ogg-prefix=/home/Darkmeteor --with-vorbis-prefix=/home/Darkmeteor --with-shout-prefix=/home/Darkmeteor

## --------- ##
## Platform. ##
## --------- ##

hostname =
uname -m = i386
uname -r = 4.7-STABLE
uname -s = FreeBSD
uname -v = FreeBSD 4.7-STABLE #1: Thu Feb 27 02:54:58 GMT 2003

/usr/bin/uname -p = i386
/bin/uname -X     = unknown

/bin/arch              = unknown
/usr/bin/arch -k       = unknown
/usr/convex/getsysinfo = unknown
hostinfo               = unknown
/bin/machine           = unknown
/usr/bin/oslevel       = unknown
/bin/universe          = unknown

PATH: /sbin
PATH: /bin
PATH: /usr/sbin
PATH: /usr/bin
PATH: /usr/games
PATH: /usr/local/sbin
PATH: /usr/local/bin
PATH: /usr/X11R6/bin
PATH: /home/Darkmeteor/bin

<p>## ----------- ##
## Core tests. ##
## ----------- ##

configure:1483: checking for a BSD-compatible install
configure:1537: result: /usr/bin/install -c
configure:1548: checking whether build environment is sane
configure:1591: result: yes
configure:1624: checking for gawk
configure:1653: result: no
configure:1624: checking for mawk
configure:1653: result: no
configure:1624: checking for nawk
configure:1640: found /usr/bin/nawk
configure:1650: result: nawk
configure:1660: checking whether make sets $(MAKE)
configure:1680: result: yes
configure:1891: checking for gcc
configure:1907: found /usr/bin/gcc
configure:1917: result: gcc
configure:2161: checking for C compiler version
configure:2164: gcc --version </dev/null >&5
2.95.4
configure:2167: $? = 0
configure:2169: gcc -v </dev/null >&5
Using builtin specs.
gcc version 2.95.4 20020320 [FreeBSD]
configure:2172: $? = 0
configure:2174: gcc -V </dev/null >&5
gcc: argument to `-V' is missing
configure:2177: $? = 1
configure:2201: checking for C compiler default output
configure:2204: gcc    conftest.c  >&5
configure:2207: $? = 0
configure:2253: result: a.out
configure:2258: checking whether the C compiler works
configure:2264: ./a.out
configure:2267: $? = 0
configure:2284: result: yes
configure:2291: checking whether we are cross compiling
configure:2293: result: no
configure:2296: checking for suffix of executables
configure:2298: gcc -o conftest    conftest.c  >&5
configure:2301: $? = 0
configure:2326: result: 
configure:2332: checking for suffix of object files
configure:2354: gcc -c   conftest.c >&5
configure:2357: $? = 0
configure:2379: result: o
configure:2383: checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler
configure:2408: gcc -c   conftest.c >&5
configure:2411: $? = 0
configure:2414: test -s conftest.o
configure:2417: $? = 0
configure:2430: result: yes
configure:2436: checking whether gcc accepts -g
configure:2458: gcc -c -g  conftest.c >&5
configure:2461: $? = 0
configure:2464: test -s conftest.o
configure:2467: $? = 0
configure:2478: result: yes
configure:2495: checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C
configure:2556: gcc  -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
configure:2559: $? = 0
configure:2562: test -s conftest.o
configure:2565: $? = 0
configure:2583: result: none needed
configure:2601: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
conftest.c:2: syntax error before `me'
configure:2604: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
| #ifndef __cplusplus
|   choke me
| #endif
configure:2723: checking for style of include used by make
configure:2751: result: GNU
configure:2779: checking dependency style of gcc
configure:2847: result: gcc
configure:2936: checking build system type
configure:2954: result: i386-unknown-freebsd4.7
configure:2962: checking host system type
configure:2976: result: i386-unknown-freebsd4.7
configure:2995: checking for ld used by GCC
configure:3058: result: /usr/libexec/elf/ld
configure:3067: checking if the linker (/usr/libexec/elf/ld) is GNU ld
GNU ld version 2.12.1 [FreeBSD] 2002-07-20
configure:3079: result: yes
configure:3084: checking for /usr/libexec/elf/ld option to reload object files
configure:3091: result: -r
configure:3096: checking for BSD-compatible nm
configure:3132: result: /usr/bin/nm -B
configure:3135: checking whether ln -s works
configure:3139: result: yes
configure:3146: checking how to recognise dependant libraries
configure:3324: result: pass_all
configure:3337: checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output
configure:3418: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
configure:3421: $? = 0
configure:3425: /usr/bin/nm -B conftest.o \| sed -n -e 's/^.*[  ]\([ABCDGISTW][ABCDGISTW]*\)[   ][      ]*\(\)\([_A-Za-z][_A-Za-z0-9]*\)$/\1 \2\3 \3/p' \> conftest.nm
configure:3428: $? = 0
configure:3480: gcc -o conftest -g -O2   conftest.c conftstm.o >&5
configure:3483: $? = 0
configure:3527: result: ok
configure:3536: checking how to run the C preprocessor
configure:3572: gcc -E  conftest.c
configure:3578: $? = 0
configure:3610: gcc -E  conftest.c
configure:3611: ac_nonexistent.h: No such file or directory
configure:3616: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
| #line 3601 "configure"
| /* confdefs.h.  */
| 
| #define PACKAGE_NAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_TARNAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_VERSION ""
| #define PACKAGE_STRING ""
| #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT ""
| #define PACKAGE "ices"
| #define VERSION "2.0"
| /* end confdefs.h.  */
| #include <ac_nonexistent.h>
configure:3654: result: gcc -E
configure:3679: gcc -E  conftest.c
configure:3685: $? = 0
configure:3717: gcc -E  conftest.c
configure:3718: ac_nonexistent.h: No such file or directory
configure:3723: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
| #line 3708 "configure"
| /* confdefs.h.  */
| 
| #define PACKAGE_NAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_TARNAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_VERSION ""
| #define PACKAGE_STRING ""
| #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT ""
| #define PACKAGE "ices"
| #define VERSION "2.0"
| /* end confdefs.h.  */
| #include <ac_nonexistent.h>
configure:3766: checking for egrep
configure:3776: result: grep -E
configure:3781: checking for ANSI C header files
configure:3807: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
configure:3810: $? = 0
configure:3813: test -s conftest.o
configure:3816: $? = 0
configure:3905: gcc -o conftest -g -O2   conftest.c  >&5
configure:3908: $? = 0
configure:3910: ./conftest
configure:3913: $? = 0
configure:3928: result: yes
configure:3952: checking for sys/types.h
configure:3969: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
configure:3972: $? = 0
configure:3975: test -s conftest.o
configure:3978: $? = 0
configure:3989: result: yes
configure:3952: checking for sys/stat.h
configure:3969: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
configure:3972: $? = 0
configure:3975: test -s conftest.o
configure:3978: $? = 0
configure:3989: result: yes
configure:3952: checking for stdlib.h
configure:3969: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
configure:3972: $? = 0
configure:3975: test -s conftest.o
configure:3978: $? = 0
configure:3989: result: yes
configure:3952: checking for string.h
configure:3969: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
configure:3972: $? = 0
configure:3975: test -s conftest.o
configure:3978: $? = 0
configure:3989: result: yes
configure:3952: checking for memory.h
configure:3969: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
configure:3972: $? = 0
configure:3975: test -s conftest.o
configure:3978: $? = 0
configure:3989: result: yes
configure:3952: checking for strings.h
configure:3969: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
configure:3972: $? = 0
configure:3975: test -s conftest.o
configure:3978: $? = 0
configure:3989: result: yes
configure:3952: checking for inttypes.h
configure:3969: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
configure:3972: $? = 0
configure:3975: test -s conftest.o
configure:3978: $? = 0
configure:3989: result: yes
configure:3952: checking for stdint.h
configure:3969: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
configure:4010: stdint.h: No such file or directory
configure:3972: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
| #line 3957 "configure"
| /* confdefs.h.  */
| 
| #define PACKAGE_NAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_TARNAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_VERSION ""
| #define PACKAGE_STRING ""
| #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT ""
| #define PACKAGE "ices"
| #define VERSION "2.0"
| #define STDC_HEADERS 1
| #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1
| #define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1
| #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1
| #define HAVE_STRING_H 1
| #define HAVE_MEMORY_H 1
| #define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1
| #define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1
| /* end confdefs.h.  */
| #include <stdio.h>
| #if HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H
| # include <sys/types.h>
| #endif
| #if HAVE_SYS_STAT_H
| # include <sys/stat.h>
| #endif
| #if STDC_HEADERS
| # include <stdlib.h>
| # include <stddef.h>
| #else
| # if HAVE_STDLIB_H
| #  include <stdlib.h>
| # endif
| #endif
| #if HAVE_STRING_H
| # if !STDC_HEADERS && HAVE_MEMORY_H
| #  include <memory.h>
| # endif
| # include <string.h>
| #endif
| #if HAVE_STRINGS_H
| # include <strings.h>
| #endif
| #if HAVE_INTTYPES_H
| # include <inttypes.h>
| #else
| # if HAVE_STDINT_H
| #  include <stdint.h>
| # endif
| #endif
| #if HAVE_UNISTD_H
| # include <unistd.h>
| #endif
| 
| #include <stdint.h>
configure:3989: result: no
configure:3952: checking for unistd.h
configure:3969: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
configure:3972: $? = 0
configure:3975: test -s conftest.o
configure:3978: $? = 0
configure:3989: result: yes
configure:4015: checking dlfcn.h usability
configure:4028: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
configure:4031: $? = 0
configure:4034: test -s conftest.o
configure:4037: $? = 0
configure:4047: result: yes
configure:4051: checking dlfcn.h presence
configure:4062: gcc -E  conftest.c
configure:4068: $? = 0
configure:4087: result: yes
configure:4123: checking for dlfcn.h
configure:4130: result: yes
configure:4327: checking for ranlib
configure:4343: found /usr/bin/ranlib
configure:4354: result: ranlib
configure:4407: checking for strip
configure:4423: found /usr/bin/strip
configure:4434: result: strip
configure:4644: checking for objdir
configure:4655: result: .libs
configure:4672: checking for gcc option to produce PIC
configure:4822: result: -fPIC
configure:4826: checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works
configure:4850: gcc -c -g -O2 -fPIC -DPIC  conftest.c >&5
configure:4853: $? = 0
configure:4856: test -s conftest.o
configure:4859: $? = 0
configure:4897: result: yes
configure:4913: checking if gcc static flag -static works
configure:4938: gcc -o conftest -g -O2   -static conftest.c  >&5
configure:4941: $? = 0
configure:4944: test -s conftest
configure:4947: $? = 0
configure:4963: result: yes
configure:4975: checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o
configure:4998: gcc -c -g -O2 -o out/conftest2.o  conftest.c >&5
configure:5019: result: yes
configure:5024: checking if gcc supports -c -o file.lo
configure:5052: gcc -c -g -O2 -c -o conftest.lo  conftest.c >&5
configure:5055: $? = 0
configure:5058: test -s conftest.lo
configure:5061: $? = 0
configure:5083: result: yes
configure:5114: checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions
configure:5137: gcc -c -g -O2 -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions -c conftest.c  conftest.c >&5
configure:5140: $? = 0
configure:5143: test -s conftest.o
configure:5146: $? = 0
configure:5163: result: yes
configure:5174: checking whether the linker (/usr/libexec/elf/ld) supports shared libraries
configure:5826: result: yes
configure:5831: checking how to hardcode library paths into programs
configure:5855: result: immediate
configure:5860: checking whether stripping libraries is possible
configure:5865: result: yes
configure:5876: checking dynamic linker characteristics
configure:6269: result: freebsd4.7 ld.so
configure:6274: checking if libtool supports shared libraries
configure:6276: result: yes
configure:6279: checking whether to build shared libraries
configure:6300: result: yes
configure:6303: checking whether to build static libraries
configure:6307: result: yes
configure:6981: checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in
configure:6989: gcc -c -g -O2  conftest.c >&5
configure:6992: $? = 0
configure:7006: gcc -shared conftest.o  -v -Wl,-soname -Wl,conftest -o conftest 2\>\&1 \| grep  -lc  \>/dev/null 2\>\&1
configure:7009: $? = 1
configure:7022: result: yes
configure:7644: checking for ANSI C header files
configure:7791: result: yes
configure:7803: checking for stdint.h
configure:7808: result: no
configure:7951: checking sys/soundcard.h usability
configure:7964: gcc -c -O20 -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT  conftest.c >&5
configure:7967: $? = 0
configure:7970: test -s conftest.o
configure:7973: $? = 0
configure:7983: result: yes
configure:7987: checking sys/soundcard.h presence
configure:7998: gcc -E  conftest.c
configure:8004: $? = 0
configure:8023: result: yes
configure:8059: checking for sys/soundcard.h
configure:8066: result: yes
configure:8087: checking machine/soundcard.h usability
configure:8100: gcc -c -O20 -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT  conftest.c >&5
configure:8103: $? = 0
configure:8106: test -s conftest.o
configure:8109: $? = 0
configure:8119: result: yes
configure:8123: checking machine/soundcard.h presence
configure:8134: gcc -E  conftest.c
configure:8140: $? = 0
configure:8159: result: yes
configure:8195: checking for machine/soundcard.h
configure:8202: result: yes
configure:8238: checking sys/audioio.h usability
configure:8251: gcc -c -O20 -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT  conftest.c >&5
configure:8295: sys/audioio.h: No such file or directory
configure:8254: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
| #line 8240 "configure"
| /* confdefs.h.  */
| 
| #define PACKAGE_NAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_TARNAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_VERSION ""
| #define PACKAGE_STRING ""
| #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT ""
| #define PACKAGE "ices"
| #define VERSION "2.0"
| #define STDC_HEADERS 1
| #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1
| #define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1
| #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1
| #define HAVE_STRING_H 1
| #define HAVE_MEMORY_H 1
| #define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1
| #define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1
| #define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1
| #define HAVE_DLFCN_H 1
| #define STDC_HEADERS 1
| /* end confdefs.h.  */
| #include <stdio.h>
| #if HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H
| # include <sys/types.h>
| #endif
| #if HAVE_SYS_STAT_H
| # include <sys/stat.h>
| #endif
| #if STDC_HEADERS
| # include <stdlib.h>
| # include <stddef.h>
| #else
| # if HAVE_STDLIB_H
| #  include <stdlib.h>
| # endif
| #endif
| #if HAVE_STRING_H
| # if !STDC_HEADERS && HAVE_MEMORY_H
| #  include <memory.h>
| # endif
| # include <string.h>
| #endif
| #if HAVE_STRINGS_H
| # include <strings.h>
| #endif
| #if HAVE_INTTYPES_H
| # include <inttypes.h>
| #else
| # if HAVE_STDINT_H
| #  include <stdint.h>
| # endif
| #endif
| #if HAVE_UNISTD_H
| # include <unistd.h>
| #endif
| #include <sys/audioio.h>
configure:8270: result: no
configure:8274: checking sys/audioio.h presence
configure:8285: gcc -E  conftest.c
configure:8297: sys/audioio.h: No such file or directory
configure:8291: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
| #line 8276 "configure"
| /* confdefs.h.  */
| 
| #define PACKAGE_NAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_TARNAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_VERSION ""
| #define PACKAGE_STRING ""
| #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT ""
| #define PACKAGE "ices"
| #define VERSION "2.0"
| #define STDC_HEADERS 1
| #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1
| #define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1
| #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1
| #define HAVE_STRING_H 1
| #define HAVE_MEMORY_H 1
| #define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1
| #define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1
| #define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1
| #define HAVE_DLFCN_H 1
| #define STDC_HEADERS 1
| /* end confdefs.h.  */
| #include <sys/audioio.h>
configure:8310: result: no
configure:8346: checking for sys/audioio.h
configure:8353: result: no
configure:8390: checking alsa/asoundlib.h usability
configure:8403: gcc -c -O20 -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT  conftest.c >&5
configure:8447: alsa/asoundlib.h: No such file or directory
configure:8406: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
| #line 8392 "configure"
| /* confdefs.h.  */
| 
| #define PACKAGE_NAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_TARNAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_VERSION ""
| #define PACKAGE_STRING ""
| #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT ""
| #define PACKAGE "ices"
| #define VERSION "2.0"
| #define STDC_HEADERS 1
| #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1
| #define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1
| #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1
| #define HAVE_STRING_H 1
| #define HAVE_MEMORY_H 1
| #define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1
| #define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1
| #define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1
| #define HAVE_DLFCN_H 1
| #define STDC_HEADERS 1
| /* end confdefs.h.  */
| #include <stdio.h>
| #if HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H
| # include <sys/types.h>
| #endif
| #if HAVE_SYS_STAT_H
| # include <sys/stat.h>
| #endif
| #if STDC_HEADERS
| # include <stdlib.h>
| # include <stddef.h>
| #else
| # if HAVE_STDLIB_H
| #  include <stdlib.h>
| # endif
| #endif
| #if HAVE_STRING_H
| # if !STDC_HEADERS && HAVE_MEMORY_H
| #  include <memory.h>
| # endif
| # include <string.h>
| #endif
| #if HAVE_STRINGS_H
| # include <strings.h>
| #endif
| #if HAVE_INTTYPES_H
| # include <inttypes.h>
| #else
| # if HAVE_STDINT_H
| #  include <stdint.h>
| # endif
| #endif
| #if HAVE_UNISTD_H
| # include <unistd.h>
| #endif
| #include <alsa/asoundlib.h>
configure:8422: result: no
configure:8426: checking alsa/asoundlib.h presence
configure:8437: gcc -E  conftest.c
configure:8449: alsa/asoundlib.h: No such file or directory
configure:8443: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
| #line 8428 "configure"
| /* confdefs.h.  */
| 
| #define PACKAGE_NAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_TARNAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_VERSION ""
| #define PACKAGE_STRING ""
| #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT ""
| #define PACKAGE "ices"
| #define VERSION "2.0"
| #define STDC_HEADERS 1
| #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1
| #define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1
| #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1
| #define HAVE_STRING_H 1
| #define HAVE_MEMORY_H 1
| #define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1
| #define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1
| #define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1
| #define HAVE_DLFCN_H 1
| #define STDC_HEADERS 1
| /* end confdefs.h.  */
| #include <alsa/asoundlib.h>
configure:8462: result: no
configure:8498: checking for alsa/asoundlib.h
configure:8505: result: no
configure:8532: checking for an ANSI C-conforming const
configure:8600: gcc -c -O20 -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT  conftest.c >&5
configure:8603: $? = 0
configure:8606: test -s conftest.o
configure:8609: $? = 0
configure:8620: result: yes
configure:8653: checking for xml2-config
configure:8669: found /home/Darkmeteor/bin/xml2-config
configure:8679: result: xml2-config
configure:8698: checking for xmlParseFile
configure:8748: gcc -o conftest -O20 -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT -I/home/Darkmeteor/include/libxml2   conftest.c  -L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -lxml2 -lz -lm >&5
configure:8751: $? = 0
configure:8754: test -s conftest
configure:8757: $? = 0
configure:8768: result: yes
configure:8816: checking for Ogg
configure:8852: gcc -o conftest -O20 -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT -I/home/Darkmeteor/include   conftest.c  -L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -logg >&5
configure:8855: $? = 0
configure:8857: ./conftest
configure:8860: $? = 0
configure:8878: result: yes
configure:8983: checking for Vorbis
configure:9019: gcc -o conftest -O20 -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT -I/home/Darkmeteor/include   conftest.c  -L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -lvorbis -lm -L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -logg >&5
configure:9022: $? = 0
configure:9024: ./conftest
configure:9027: $? = 0
configure:9045: result: yes
configure:9156: checking for Shout
configure:9191: gcc -o conftest -O20 -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT -I/home/Darkmeteor/include -I/home/Darkmeteor/include -I/home/Darkmeteor/include   conftest.c  -L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -lshout -lpthread -L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -logg -L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -lvorbis -lm >&5
/usr/libexec/elf/ld: cannot find -lpthread
configure:9194: $? = 1
configure: program exited with status 1
configure: failed program was:
| #line 9169 "configure"
| /* confdefs.h.  */
| 
| #define PACKAGE_NAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_TARNAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_VERSION ""
| #define PACKAGE_STRING ""
| #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT ""
| #define PACKAGE "ices"
| #define VERSION "2.0"
| #define STDC_HEADERS 1
| #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1
| #define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1
| #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1
| #define HAVE_STRING_H 1
| #define HAVE_MEMORY_H 1
| #define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1
| #define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1
| #define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1
| #define HAVE_DLFCN_H 1
| #define STDC_HEADERS 1
| /* end confdefs.h.  */
| 
| #include <stdio.h>
| #include <stdlib.h>
| #include <string.h>
| #include <shout/shout.h>
| 
| int main ()
| {
|   system("touch conf.shouttest");
|   return 0;
| }
| 
| 
configure:9221: result: no
configure:9249: gcc -o conftest -O20 -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT -I/home/Darkmeteor/include -I/home/Darkmeteor/include -I/home/Darkmeteor/include   conftest.c  -L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -lshout -lpthread -L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -logg -L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -lvorbis -lm >&5
/usr/libexec/elf/ld: cannot find -lpthread
configure:9252: $? = 1
configure: failed program was:
| #line 9229 "configure"
| /* confdefs.h.  */
| 
| #define PACKAGE_NAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_TARNAME ""
| #define PACKAGE_VERSION ""
| #define PACKAGE_STRING ""
| #define PACKAGE_BUGREPORT ""
| #define PACKAGE "ices"
| #define VERSION "2.0"
| #define STDC_HEADERS 1
| #define HAVE_SYS_TYPES_H 1
| #define HAVE_SYS_STAT_H 1
| #define HAVE_STDLIB_H 1
| #define HAVE_STRING_H 1
| #define HAVE_MEMORY_H 1
| #define HAVE_STRINGS_H 1
| #define HAVE_INTTYPES_H 1
| #define HAVE_UNISTD_H 1
| #define HAVE_DLFCN_H 1
| #define STDC_HEADERS 1
| /* end confdefs.h.  */
| 
| #include <stdio.h>
| #include <shout/shout.h>
| 
| int
| main ()
| {
|  return 0;
|   ;
|   return 0;
| }
configure:9284: error: must have libshout installed!

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configure: exit 1

<p><p>-----------------------------------------------------------

<p><p>Thursday, March 13, 2003, 1:21:57 AM, you wrote:

KH> On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 00:12, Nicolas Bazin wrote:

>> Problem :
>> 
>> checking for Ogg... yes
>> checking for Vorbis... yes
>> checking for Shout... no
>> *** Could not run Shout test program, checking why...
>> *** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
>> *** exact error that occured. This usually means Shout was incorrectly installed
>> *** or that you have moved Shout since it was installed. In the latter case, you
>> *** may want to edit the shout-config script: 
>> configure: error: must have libshout installed!
>> 
>> 
>> and /home/Darkmeteor/include/shout/shout.h is here

KH> can you send me the config.log

KH> karl.

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From bcasci at runbox.com  Thu Mar 13 00:27:29 2003
From: bcasci at runbox.com (Brandon)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:27:29 -0500
Subject: [icecast] OT: whats your opinion of  ODDSOCK streamTranscoder?
In-Reply-To: <1047465424.4892.2.camel@localhost>
Message-ID: <01de01c2e8f7$55874610$6402a8c0@surfcontrol.com>



What is everyones opinion and expierience with using ODDSOCK
streamTranscoder to downsample mp3 streams?

I tried it on Windows 2000 and then compared it against shoutCAST DSP
plugin. It sucked. It skipped and popped and cut off the first 1/2 second of
each track and dropped. It sucked, while shoutCast DSP was flawless.

What attracted to me to streamTranscoder was you don't have to run an MP3
player (ala Winamp) to downsample/transcode your streams. You can put it on
a server with no sound card.

are there any other transcoders out there? Many of you probably run your own
radio stations so maybe someone has a little info for me. Short of writing
my own is there something I can use that can transcode streams and not
require the use of an mp3 player and soundcard?

Maybe I was doing something wrong with streamTranscoder, but I don't think
so. There aren't too many setting in there....the computer has plenty of
ram, 1 gig cpu..no load...new lame dll....

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From inzanekaoz at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 13 00:30:27 2003
From: inzanekaoz at yahoo.com (HJ)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:30:27 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] ices2 compilations problems
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Message-ID: <20030313003027.33109.qmail@web13806.mail.yahoo.com>



configure:9156: checking for Shout
configure:9191: gcc -o conftest -O20 -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT 
-I/home/Darkmeteor/include -I/home/Darkmeteor/include
-I/home/Darkmeteor/include   conftest.c  
-L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -lshout -lpthread -L/home/Darkmeteor/lib
-logg 
-L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -lvorbis -lm >&5
/usr/libexec/elf/ld: cannot find -lpthread
configure:9194: $? = 1
configure: program exited with status 1

<p>I could be wrong about this, but it looks like a Linux'ism here.
libpthread and such.

<snip>

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From inzanekaoz at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 13 00:31:44 2003
From: inzanekaoz at yahoo.com (HJ)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:31:44 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] OT: whats your opinion of  ODDSOCK streamTranscoder?
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Maybe give this a whirl?

http://transcoder.sourceforge.net/

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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Thu Mar 13 00:35:20 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 13 Mar 2003 00:35:20 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Howto stream using icecast/ices bit rate peeled ogg files
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On Wed, 2003-03-12 at 01:24, Geoff Shang wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> Actually, if the stream were to peal to the best quality dependent on a
> listener's bandwidth, the capability would have to be in icecast, surely.

That is one place where it would be useful,  the other from an ices
point of view is if your reading from playlist with high q encoded files
and you have several instances that state the for example same q, q1 and
q0.  Instead of reencoding you just peel to the appropriate level but
it's not clear on how that is to be achieved yet.

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From bcasci at runbox.com  Thu Mar 13 00:38:48 2003
From: bcasci at runbox.com (Brandon)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 19:38:48 -0500
Subject: [icecast] OT: whats your opinion of  ODDSOCK streamTranscoder?
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Hmm....

this is the one I'm using..right? I downloaded it from ODDsock's site....but
this is the same application, or is it not?

Maybe I should install cigwin and run the unix version on windows and see if
its better...

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<p>> Maybe give this a whirl?
>
> http://transcoder.sourceforge.net/
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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Thu Mar 13 00:44:40 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 13 Mar 2003 00:44:40 +0000
Subject: [icecast] ices2 compilations problems
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On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 00:26, Nicolas Bazin wrote:

> | 
> configure:9221: result: no
> configure:9249: gcc -o conftest -O20 -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT -I/home/Darkmeteor/include -I/home/Darkmeteor/include -I/home/Darkmeteor/include   conftest.c  -L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -lshout -lpthread -L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -logg -L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -lvorbis -lm >&5
> /usr/libexec/elf/ld: cannot find -lpthread
> configure:9252: $? = 1
> configure: failed program was:

ok, ices needs the updating to match some of the detection code, in this
case the pthread setup, so that -D_REENTRANT and -lpthread are only used
when necessary.  I commit a fix shortly.

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From bazin.nicolas at club-internet.fr  Thu Mar 13 02:52:03 2003
From: bazin.nicolas at club-internet.fr (Nicolas Bazin)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 03:52:03 +0100
Subject: [icecast] ices2 compilations problems
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Hello Karl,

Thursday, March 13, 2003, 1:44:40 AM, you wrote:

KH> On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 00:26, Nicolas Bazin wrote:

>> | 
>> configure:9221: result: no
>> configure:9249: gcc -o conftest -O20 -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT -I/home/Darkmeteor/include -I/home/Darkmeteor/include -I/home/Darkmeteor/include   conftest.c  -L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -lshout
>> -lpthread -L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -logg -L/home/Darkmeteor/lib -lvorbis -lm >&5
>> /usr/libexec/elf/ld: cannot find -lpthread
>> configure:9252: $? = 1
>> configure: failed program was:

KH> ok, ices needs the updating to match some of the detection code, in this
KH> case the pthread setup, so that -D_REENTRANT and -lpthread are only used
KH> when necessary.  I commit a fix shortly.

<p>KH> karl.

<p>Is there any temporary solution I could use while waiting for a fix
please ?


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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Thu Mar 13 02:59:03 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 20:59:03 -0600
Subject: [icecast] OT: whats your opinion of  ODDSOCK streamTranscoder?
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At 07:27 PM 3/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>I tried it on Windows 2000 and then compared it against shoutCAST DSP
>plugin. It sucked. It skipped and popped and cut off the first 1/2 second of
>each track and dropped. It sucked, while shoutCast DSP was flawless.

this is the first I've heard of this problem....and there are alot of 
people that I know that are using it...none so far have reported this as a 
problem...maybe if you provided some information that actually could be 
used to reproduce or debug the problem..otherwise, based on your statement 
"skipped and popped and dropped" is not terribly specific....

<p>>are there any other transcoders out there? Many of you probably run your own
>radio stations so maybe someone has a little info for me. Short of writing
>my own is there something I can use that can transcode streams and not
>require the use of an mp3 player and soundcard?

nope, there aren't..which is actually why I wrote it...

oddsock

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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Thu Mar 13 04:08:54 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 13 Mar 2003 04:08:54 +0000
Subject: [icecast] ices2 compilations problems
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On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 02:52, Nicolas Bazin wrote:

> KH> ok, ices needs the updating to match some of the detection code, in this
> KH> case the pthread setup, so that -D_REENTRANT and -lpthread are only used
> KH> when necessary.  I commit a fix shortly.
> 
> 
> KH> karl.
> 
> 
> Is there any temporary solution I could use while waiting for a fix
> please ?

try a fresh checkout now, and report if it fails.

karl.

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From bazin.nicolas at club-internet.fr  Thu Mar 13 04:20:02 2003
From: bazin.nicolas at club-internet.fr (Nicolas Bazin)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 05:20:02 +0100
Subject: [icecast] ices2 compilations problems
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Hello Karl,

Thursday, March 13, 2003, 5:08:54 AM, you wrote:

KH> On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 02:52, Nicolas Bazin wrote:

>> KH> ok, ices needs the updating to match some of the detection code, in this
>> KH> case the pthread setup, so that -D_REENTRANT and -lpthread are only used
>> KH> when necessary.  I commit a fix shortly.
>> 
>> 
>> KH> karl.
>> 
>> 
>> Is there any temporary solution I could use while waiting for a fix
>> please ?

KH> try a fresh checkout now, and report if it fails.

KH> karl.

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Thanks a lot for the fast support,

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From bcasci at runbox.com  Thu Mar 13 04:48:14 2003
From: bcasci at runbox.com (Brandon)
Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 23:48:14 -0500
Subject: [icecast] OT: whats your opinion of  ODDSOCK  streamTranscoder?
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This is all happening on a box with:

Win 2k SP3
512K RAM
1.2 GHZ Celeron

The PC has noother  load...all its doing is downsampling an MP3 stream to
lower bitrates.

I'm using the LAME_ENC.DLL with streamTranscoder. There is no version number
tagged on the lame_enc.dll, but the file is dates July 2002.

When I refer to  "skipped and popped and dropped" I am referring to your
listening experience. Maybe skipped is a bad description. Your chosen mp3
player will experience a frequent buffer underruns. So when you listening
after 30 minutes or so, the music will stop, your player rebuffers for a
send or two, then the music starts again. This will repeat 2 - 3 times an
hour. And each time a track changes you miss the first 1/2 second or so. In
between those buffer underruns its not uncommon to hear some "clicks" in the
music..who knows why. Its almost as if streamTranscoder isn't sending out
the bytes quite fast enough. You knwo what its almost sounds like? When you
play a MP3's on a weak PC...thats what the stream sounds liek when you tune
in.

This doesn't happen when I use SHOUTcast DSP. I've switch back and forth
between the two tools and listen hour after hour and compared.

I kept track of the CPU utlilization. shoutCAST DSP keeps a around a stead
50% CPU utilization with 3 output streams. streamTranscaster cycles from
almost 0% up to 100%  evbery few seconds.

So, since I'm the only one haiving these problems, its got to be my
computer. Anything jump out at you?

I'll just keep messing around with it...I haven't given up yet. I really
want to use streamTranscoder. It irritates me that I have to leave winamp
running just to transcode a stream.

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<p>> At 07:27 PM 3/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
>
> >I tried it on Windows 2000 and then compared it against shoutCAST DSP
> >plugin. It sucked. It skipped and popped and cut off the first 1/2 second
of
> >each track and dropped. It sucked, while shoutCast DSP was flawless.
>
> this is the first I've heard of this problem....and there are alot of
> people that I know that are using it...none so far have reported this as a
> problem...maybe if you provided some information that actually could be
> used to reproduce or debug the problem..otherwise, based on your statement
> "skipped and popped and dropped" is not terribly specific....
>
>
> >are there any other transcoders out there? Many of you probably run your
own
> >radio stations so maybe someone has a little info for me. Short of
writing
> >my own is there something I can use that can transcode streams and not
> >require the use of an mp3 player and soundcard?
>
> nope, there aren't..which is actually why I wrote it...
>
> oddsock
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From bcasci at runbox.com  Thu Mar 13 06:02:58 2003
From: bcasci at runbox.com (Brandon)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:02:58 -0500
Subject: [icecast] OT: whats your opinion of  ODDSOCK  streamTranscoder?
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OK guys. Thanks so for taking the time to talk to me even though this was
off topic.

And Oddsock, especially thanks for insisting that no one had this problem.
It got me thinking......your transcoder is at the mercy of several external
components..one of them being lame_enc.dll

So..I went and found several versions of the lame_enc.dll, and experimented.
I'm not sure how I should compile lame on windows so I just found several
applications that ship with the binary version of lame_enc.dll

I found the one that comes with the latest Zlurp! to work the best. It is
dates Dec 29 2001. And guess what...it doesn;t hog the CPU....it floats
between 30% and 50% with some spikes up to 80%. That must have been the
source of my problem before..the CPU was pegged out at 100% for too long and
other processes suffered for it. And guess what else? The stream sounds soo
much cleaner too..and I haven't heard a the first bit of a track get cut off
either!

I've only been playing with it for an hour so it may be too soon to
tell..but I don't think so..its like night and day.

Oddsock, how come you don't include the most compatable  lame_enc.dll  with
the windows streamTranscoder  binary?

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Subject: Re: [icecast] OT: whats your opinion of ODDSOCK streamTranscoder?

<p>> This is all happening on a box with:
>
> Win 2k SP3
> 512K RAM
> 1.2 GHZ Celeron
>
> The PC has noother  load...all its doing is downsampling an MP3 stream to
> lower bitrates.
>
> I'm using the LAME_ENC.DLL with streamTranscoder. There is no version
number
> tagged on the lame_enc.dll, but the file is dates July 2002.
>
> When I refer to  "skipped and popped and dropped" I am referring to your
> listening experience. Maybe skipped is a bad description. Your chosen mp3
> player will experience a frequent buffer underruns. So when you listening
> after 30 minutes or so, the music will stop, your player rebuffers for a
> send or two, then the music starts again. This will repeat 2 - 3 times an
> hour. And each time a track changes you miss the first 1/2 second or so.
In
> between those buffer underruns its not uncommon to hear some "clicks" in
the
> music..who knows why. Its almost as if streamTranscoder isn't sending out
> the bytes quite fast enough. You knwo what its almost sounds like? When
you
> play a MP3's on a weak PC...thats what the stream sounds liek when you
tune
> in.
>
> This doesn't happen when I use SHOUTcast DSP. I've switch back and forth
> between the two tools and listen hour after hour and compared.
>
> I kept track of the CPU utlilization. shoutCAST DSP keeps a around a stead
> 50% CPU utilization with 3 output streams. streamTranscaster cycles from
> almost 0% up to 100%  evbery few seconds.
>
> So, since I'm the only one haiving these problems, its got to be my
> computer. Anything jump out at you?
>
> I'll just keep messing around with it...I haven't given up yet. I really
> want to use streamTranscoder. It irritates me that I have to leave winamp
> running just to transcode a stream.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "oddsock" <oddsock at oddsock.org>
> To: <icecast at xiph.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 9:59 PM
> Subject: Re: [icecast] OT: whats your opinion of ODDSOCK streamTranscoder?
>
>
> > At 07:27 PM 3/12/2003 -0500, you wrote:
> >
> > >I tried it on Windows 2000 and then compared it against shoutCAST DSP
> > >plugin. It sucked. It skipped and popped and cut off the first 1/2
second
> of
> > >each track and dropped. It sucked, while shoutCast DSP was flawless.
> >
> > this is the first I've heard of this problem....and there are alot of
> > people that I know that are using it...none so far have reported this as
a
> > problem...maybe if you provided some information that actually could be
> > used to reproduce or debug the problem..otherwise, based on your
statement
> > "skipped and popped and dropped" is not terribly specific....
> >
> >
> > >are there any other transcoders out there? Many of you probably run
your
> own
> > >radio stations so maybe someone has a little info for me. Short of
> writing
> > >my own is there something I can use that can transcode streams and not
> > >require the use of an mp3 player and soundcard?
> >
> > nope, there aren't..which is actually why I wrote it...
> >
> > oddsock
> >
> >
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From gshang at uq.net.au  Thu Mar 13 06:19:11 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:19:11 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] OT: whats your opinion of  ODDSOCK  streamTranscoder?
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Hi:

This might be a stupid question but ... the stream you're transcoding is
solid?

Geoff.

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From bcasci at runbox.com  Thu Mar 13 06:24:28 2003
From: bcasci at runbox.com (Brandon)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:24:28 -0500
Subject: [icecast] OT: whats your opinion of  ODDSOCK  streamTranscoder?
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I'm sorry...I haven't been doind this for too long. What does a solid stream
mean?

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Thu Mar 13 06:47:39 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:47:39 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] OT: whats your opinion of  ODDSOCK  streamTranscoder?
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Brandon wrote:

> I'm sorry...I haven't been doind this for too long. What does a solid stream
> mean?

Well, I meant that the stream you're transcoding from is itself not
suffering from break up or skippage.  I've noticed that the transcoder
doesn't seem to cope too well with that.

Through from what you've written elsewhere, it seems that lame might be
your problem.

Geoff.

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From bcasci at runbox.com  Thu Mar 13 07:11:13 2003
From: bcasci at runbox.com (Brandon)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 02:11:13 -0500
Subject: [icecast] OT: whats your opinion of  ODDSOCK  streamTranscoder?
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heh..that was stupid of me to not understand what you meant. I'm pretty
tired thats why...I've been working a lot and playing with this stuff late
at night....you know how that goes. Also..the source and streamtranscoder
run on the same box..so theres very little chance of network issues.

<p>Oh ya...the first thing I checked was my source stream...because I wrote the
source streamer myself. So I tuned directly into that for hours..actually
more lie 6 or 7 hours...not one glitch. SO then I blamed streamTranscoder
after a few days of trial and error with different tools....turns out it was
lame_enc

Ya..things seem pretty good since I switch to an older version of lame.
Although it still does skip a very tiny part of some songs..right in the
beginning..not all of them like before. Its not bad really, I can deal. I
notice it propbably because I hear some of these songs 5 times a
day....before it was awful. Oh ya....the 64KB buffer in my player seems to
empty out after an hour of listening still. So the data still isn;t coming
quite fast enough but thats ok...I can deal with that for now.

Have you ever heard of Mediabox? A company caled iTuner (www.ituner.com)
makes it. I needed something like for what I was doing..but didn;t want to
spend $3000...so I researched a bunch of opensource tools that could help me
out. I'm already spending enough money providing people with good music
community and getting nothing for it....another $3000 would have made it not
worth it.

I should probably check if any of the organizations I got tools from take
paypal donations..they deserve something

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From nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de  Thu Mar 13 07:15:47 2003
From: nettings at folkwang-hochschule.de (Joern Nettingsmeier)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:15:47 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast Stream from Linux Audio Developers Meeting 2003
Message-ID: <3E703023.7040904@folkwang-hochschule.de>



hello icecast folk !

i'm happy to announce that the linux audio developers meeting 2003 to 
take place from friday, march 14 to sunday, march 16 in 
karlsruhe/germany, will be recorded and broadcast live with icecast. if 
you are interested, visit 
http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/eventszkm2003.php3 and tune in.
most presentations will be held in english, with one or two exceptions.

best,

j?rn

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From stauf at freshcheese.net  Thu Mar 13 07:16:31 2003
From: stauf at freshcheese.net (Mr. Stauf)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 00:16:31 -0700
Subject: [icecast] make problems on libshout CVS.
Message-ID: <20030313071631.GA9860@freshcheese.net>



Hello, I am having problems compiling libshout out of the CVS.  *Grabbed it
ten minutes ago*.
When I run ./autogen.sh, the very last line says:
config.status: error: cannot find input file: src/net/Makefile.in
and when I try to run a make, I get:
--things that seem okay--
Making all in src
make[2]: Entering directory '/root/icecast2stuff/libshout/src'
makefile:213: .deps/mp3.Plo: no such file or directory
makefile:214: .deps/shout.Plo: no such file or directory
makefile:215: .deps/util.Plo: no such file or directory
makefile:216: .deps/vorbis.Plo: no such file or directory
make[2] * * * No rule to make target '.deps/vorbis.Plo' stop.
--things that error out like usual--
Its late...I'm running slackware 8.1, kernel 2.4.20, and I have been known
to miss posts in the archive. :(  Any suggestions?

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Thu Mar 13 08:02:42 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 18:02:42 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] make problems on libshout CVS.
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Hi:

There's been some CVS commits to libshout today, dealing with auto* stuff.
I'm guessing it's a bug that's been introduced by that.  Karl will know,
either way, I'd expect.

Geoff.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Thu Mar 13 08:11:44 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:11:44 +1100
Subject: [icecast] make problems on libshout CVS.
In-Reply-To: <20030313071631.GA9860@freshcheese.net>
Message-ID: <200303131911.45121.msmith@xiph.org>



On Thursday 13 March 2003 18:16, Mr. Stauf wrote:
> Hello, I am having problems compiling libshout out of the CVS.  *Grabbed it
> ten minutes ago*.
> When I run ./autogen.sh, the very last line says:
> config.status: error: cannot find input file: src/net/Makefile.in

This suggests you did something wrong when you got it from cvs, or the error 
occurred earlier. Given this, you should not expect the rest to work.

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From stauf at freshcheese.net  Thu Mar 13 08:20:42 2003
From: stauf at freshcheese.net (Mr. Stauf)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 01:20:42 -0700
Subject: [icecast] make problems on libshout CVS.
In-Reply-To: <200303131911.45121.msmith@xiph.org>
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Yep.  That one was right on the nose.  Sorry about that folks, I was using
the simple "I'm going to the web cvs and downloading the tarball" instead of
cvs -f -d :pserver:anoncvs at xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot login way of doing things
Thanks for the fast reply.  I am humbled. :)

On Thu, Mar 13, 2003 at 07:11:44PM +1100, Michael Smith wrote:
> On Thursday 13 March 2003 18:16, Mr. Stauf wrote:
> > Hello, I am having problems compiling libshout out of the CVS.  *Grabbed it
> > ten minutes ago*.
> > When I run ./autogen.sh, the very last line says:
> > config.status: error: cannot find input file: src/net/Makefile.in
> 
> This suggests you did something wrong when you got it from cvs, or the error 
> occurred earlier. Given this, you should not expect the rest to work.
> 
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From iceuse at kezako.net  Thu Mar 13 12:48:07 2003
From: iceuse at kezako.net (iceuse at kezako.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:48:07 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast load tests - Too many open files
Message-ID: <E18tS7z-0005jh-00@Zantos>



Hi all,

'm trying to setup an icecast server.
It works, bu I want to test how many clients it can serve.
Server: Icecast2 on PIII 933Mkz, 512Mo RAM
Linux Debian 3.0
One source sent by darkice (can't make ices2 working)

The problem is: "The server can't serve more than 1020 clients, because of a file limit"
[2003-03-13  14:18:50] WARN connection/_accept_connection accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files

The server load is quite low
 14:42:36 up 53 min,  2 users,  load average: 0.10, 0.21, 0.18
very low memory is used:
Atalone:/var/log/icecast# free -m
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:           471         99        372          0          2         31
Atalone:/var/log/icecast# free -m
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:           471         99        372          0          2         31

<p>not so much open files
Atalone:/var/log/icecast# lsof | wc -l
  10849

(below the limit I set to 0x10000)
Atalone:/var/log/icecast# cat /proc/sys/fs/file-max
65536

My icecast config :
(extracts)
        <limits>
                <clients>3000</clients>
                <sources>2</sources>
                <threadpool>5</threadpool>
                <queue-size>102400</queue-size>
                <client-timeout>30</client-timeout>
                <header-timeout>15</header-timeout>
                <source-timeout>20</source-timeout>
        </limits>
    <mount>
        <mount-name>/radiofree.ogg</mount-name>
        <username>source</username><password>srcpwd</password>
        <max-listeners>2000</max-listeners>
    </mount>

<p>Ethernet bandwidth used :
the server sent 20MBps and received less than 1MBps

My clients are wget clients :
wget -O /dev/null --quiet http://192.168.3.78:8000/radiofree.ogg
they consume the stream at the stream speed of 30KBps
Among all the clients, I have one real client plugged to speakers, to ckeck the stream. It is ok.

So....if somebody knowns how to get rid of that open file limit...
(the kernel limit of 65536 is set in a rcS.d script as told in Debian kernel docs)

Thanks,
Chris
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From Mitja.Pirih at radiocapris.com  Thu Mar 13 12:50:53 2003
From: Mitja.Pirih at radiocapris.com (Mitja Pirih)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 13:50:53 +0100
Subject: [icecast] strange noise from icecast
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] strange noise from icecast>
Message-ID: <A1E5C44120D3784C9CC2937A0A28149220F74C@mastersbs.lan.protokol.si>



It worked OK for past 4 days and now again with that noise. I restarted icecast server and again I have clear sound. It looks that the problem is in icecast.

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Subject: Re: [icecast] strange noise from icecast

<p><quote who="Mitja Pirih">

> Hello,
> 
> I'm using icecast for at least 3 months now and I am experiencing a
> strange noise and also some echo effect (from time to time) and I
> can't identify the source of this noise. 

[snip]

> I am using Winamp 2.81 for input, MuchFX2 and 4 oddcastDSP plugins to
> stream (lame encoder) on Windows 2000. The streaming server is an
> icecast 1.3.12 on OpenBSD 3.2.

Are you streaming files or line-in?

Yesterday I experienced something that sounds quite a lot like what you
are experiencing now. 

I was streaming from line-in and noticed I had forgotten to mute
the line-in playback. The line-in playback got outputted to the mixer
again, which in turn went straight back into line-in causing a
nifty loop with a nasty "tin can"-effect and echo.

Make sure you've muted everything you don't need on your
streamsource machine and use the latest stable versions of Lame and
oddacstDSP.

HTH.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Thu Mar 13 13:24:37 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:24:37 +1100
Subject: [icecast] strange noise from icecast
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On Thursday 13 March 2003 23:50, Mitja Pirih wrote:
> It worked OK for past 4 days and now again with that noise. I restarted
> icecast server and again I have clear sound. It looks that the problem is
> in icecast.

Nothing icecast does could possibly cause any sort of 'echo effect' as you 
described - icecast doesn't process the audio.

Suggest upgrading to icecast2 if you want any support, 1.x is deprecated.

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Thu Mar 13 13:33:46 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:33:46 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] New feature query
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303132311250.1007-100000@data.home>



Hi:

I've upgraded 2 icecast servers from October checkouts to current CVS and
noticed a lot of new stuff.  got a query about a feature in the config
file.

<queue-size>102400</queue-size>

>From a thread on icecast-dev, I gather this is to do with how much audio is
stored in icecast to shove to clients when they connect, right?  But what
does this number represent?

Geoff.

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From iceuse at kezako.net  Thu Mar 13 13:38:07 2003
From: iceuse at kezako.net (iceuse at kezako.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:38:07 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Ices problems : Skipped corrupt file
Message-ID: <E18tSuN-0005ks-00@Zantos>



Hi,
I have icecast installed, with ices 2.0 providing it with an ogg stream.

Both connects. But my Zinf player says "Skipped corrupt file" at the end of the buffering...
and that's all.

Does somebody has an idea about to solve that ?
Thanks,
Chris
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From msmith at xiph.org  Thu Mar 13 13:47:21 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:47:21 +1100
Subject: [icecast] New feature query
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On Friday 14 March 2003 00:33, Geoff Shang wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I've upgraded 2 icecast servers from October checkouts to current CVS and
> noticed a lot of new stuff.  got a query about a feature in the config
> file.
>
> <queue-size>102400</queue-size>
>
> From a thread on icecast-dev, I gather this is to do with how much audio is
> stored in icecast to shove to clients when they connect, right?  But what
> does this number represent?
>
> Geoff.

No, this is not audio that icecast stores (that's a planned feature, but when 
incorporated, it'll be off by default - that just increases latency, which is 
generally not desirable). 

This is the maximum length of the client queue, in bytes. Thus, if a client 
falls behind by more than this (100 kB by default), it is disconnected - this 
usually means the client is not capable of receiving data fast enough to 
listen to it, due to network problems.

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Thu Mar 13 14:04:12 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 08:04:12 -0600
Subject: [icecast] OT: whats your opinion of  ODDSOCK  streamTranscoder?
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Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030313080229.02f4aaf0@www.oddsock.org>



At 01:02 AM 3/13/2003 -0500, you wrote:

>Oddsock, how come you don't include the most compatable  lame_enc.dll  with
>the windows streamTranscoder  binary?
because legally I cannot.  Distribution of a mp3 encoder requires license 
fees to appropriate patent holders....one of the truly great things about 
ogg vorbis......no license fees :)

oddsock

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Thu Mar 13 14:07:02 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:07:02 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] New feature query
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On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Michael Smith wrote:

> This is the maximum length of the client queue, in bytes. Thus, if a client
> falls behind by more than this (100 kB by default), it is disconnected - this
> usually means the client is not capable of receiving data fast enough to
> listen to it, due to network problems.

ah, I see.  So how does this relate to client-timeout ... or is that for
something else?

Geoff.

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Thu Mar 13 14:08:33 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:08:33 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Ices problems : Skipped corrupt file
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Hi:

does your mountpoint have a .ogg extension?  If not, then your player
probably thinks it's an MP3 stream and is barfing on it.  If it has, then
I've no idea.

Geoff.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Thu Mar 13 14:22:59 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 01:22:59 +1100
Subject: [icecast] New feature query
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On Friday 14 March 2003 01:07, Geoff Shang wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Mar 2003, Michael Smith wrote:
> > This is the maximum length of the client queue, in bytes. Thus, if a
> > client falls behind by more than this (100 kB by default), it is
> > disconnected - this usually means the client is not capable of receiving
> > data fast enough to listen to it, due to network problems.
>
> ah, I see.  So how does this relate to client-timeout ... or is that for
> something else?
>

client-timeout appears to go unused at the moment. I'm not sure what the 
intended use for that is/was.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Thu Mar 13 14:36:48 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 01:36:48 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast load tests - Too many open files
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On Thursday 13 March 2003 23:48, iceuse at kezako.net wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> 'm trying to setup an icecast server.
> It works, bu I want to test how many clients it can serve.
> Server: Icecast2 on PIII 933Mkz, 512Mo RAM
> Linux Debian 3.0
> One source sent by darkice (can't make ices2 working)
>
> The problem is: "The server can't serve more than 1020 clients, because of
> a file limit" [2003-03-13  14:18:50] WARN connection/_accept_connection
> accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files

Look at the output of "ulimit -n" - that's the maximum number of per-process 
file descriptors, it's 1024 by default on most linux systems. I don't recall 
how to change that (except as root), I'm sure you can find some 
documentation.

I've tested icecast up to about 3000 clients on an old p2 machine of mine, and 
it could probably go further without much trouble.

Mike

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From bcasci at runbox.com  Thu Mar 13 14:44:19 2003
From: bcasci at runbox.com (Brandon)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 09:44:19 -0500
Subject: [icecast] OT: whats your opinion of  ODDSOCK   streamTranscoder?
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Message-ID: <038a01c2e96f$08751e10$6402a8c0@surfcontrol.com>



> because legally I cannot.  Distribution of a mp3 encoder requires license
> fees to appropriate patent holders....one of the truly great things about
> ogg vorbis......no license fees :)
>

Oh ya...I forgot about that

Well, one day I guess I'll make the switch to OGG!

Which format do you think sounds better at 64kbs: mp3, wma, or ogg?

when you are transcoding like I am, should you encode the original files in
the format that sounds the best to your ears?

<p>btw, if anyone likes metal/rock/punk, ect ect you can listen at
http:///www.fightforrock.com

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Thu Mar 13 14:55:46 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:55:46 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] OT: whats your opinion of  ODDSOCK   streamTranscoder?
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Brandon wrote:

> Which format do you think sounds better at 64kbs: mp3, wma, or ogg?

Vorbis 44.1khz stereo at quality 0.0 for me averages around 60kbps (would
probably be higher if we didn't talk as much), and I think it's excellent.
Not artifact free of course, but hey, it's 64kbps.  The vorbis folks have a
comparison page on the vorbis site which doesn't seem to be linked from the
front page anymore hmmm.   anyway, it allowed you to compare vorbis at
64kbps with a stack of other codecs at the same or similar rates.  Anyone
got the direct url?  This should probably have a nice prominent link on the
vorbis.com front page.

Geoff.

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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Thu Mar 13 15:06:32 2003
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:06:32 +0100
Subject: [icecast] OT: whats your opinion of  ODDSOCK   streamTranscoder?
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Geoff Shang wrote:
> Not artifact free of course, but hey, it's 64kbps.  The vorbis folks have a
> comparison page on the vorbis site which doesn't seem to be linked from the
> front page anymore hmmm.   anyway, it allowed you to compare vorbis at
> 64kbps with a stack of other codecs at the same or similar rates.  Anyone
> got the direct url?  This should probably have a nice prominent link on the
> vorbis.com front page.

The link is http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/listen.html - it came with
the Vorbis 1.0 Release News.

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From volsung at mailsnare.net  Thu Mar 13 15:11:55 2003
From: volsung at mailsnare.net (Stan Seibert)
Date: 13 Mar 2003 09:11:55 -0600
Subject: [icecast] OT: whats your opinion of  ODDSOCK   streamTranscoder?
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On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 08:44, Brandon wrote:
> > because legally I cannot.  Distribution of a mp3 encoder requires license
> > fees to appropriate patent holders....one of the truly great things about
> > ogg vorbis......no license fees :)
> >
> 
> Oh ya...I forgot about that
> 
> Well, one day I guess I'll make the switch to OGG!
> 
> Which format do you think sounds better at 64kbs: mp3, wma, or ogg?

I don't know about the best, but I think mp3 has been definitively shown
to be the worst of the three at 64kbps (by the c't test and others).


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From gshang at uq.net.au  Thu Mar 13 15:33:40 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 01:33:40 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] My turn to have issues with compiling libshout
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303140123150.1007-100000@data.home>



Hi:

WARNING: This is long.

Just updated libshout and configured.  Configure didn't bomb so I guess it
went OK and found what it wanted. But when I ran make I got this:

gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I./.. -g -O2 -Wp,-MD,.deps/avl.pp -c
avl.c
  -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/avl.lo
In file included from ../stream.h:20,
                 from ../config.h:17,
                 from avl.c:33:
../thread/thread.h:90: syntax error before "pthread_rwlock_t"
../thread/thread.h:90: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
../thread/thread.h:91: warning: data definition has no type or storage
class
../thread/thread.h:132: syntax error before '*' token
../thread/thread.h:133: syntax error before '*' token
../thread/thread.h:134: syntax error before '*' token
../thread/thread.h:135: syntax error before '*' token
../thread/thread.h:136: syntax error before '*' token
In file included from avl.c:33:
../config.h:62: syntax error before "FILE"
../config.h:62: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
../config.h:73: syntax error before '}' token
../config.h:73: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
../config.h:98: syntax error before "instance_t"
../config.h:98: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
../config.h:109: conflicting types for `next'
../config.h:72: previous declaration of `next'
../config.h:110: syntax error before '}' token
../config.h:110: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
../config.h:112: syntax error before '*' token
../config.h:112: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
../config.h:120: syntax error before '*' token
In file included from avl.c:39:
avl.h:36: syntax error before "rwlock_t"
avl.h:36: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
avl.h:38: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
avl.h:66: syntax error before "avl_node"
avl.h:66: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
avl.h:72: syntax error before "rwlock"
avl.h:72: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
avl.h:74: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
avl.h:76: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:76: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
avl.h:77: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:77: syntax error before "avl_node"
avl.h:77: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
avl.h:80: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:85: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:90: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:96: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:102: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:108: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:114: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:122: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:129: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:136: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:139: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:143: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:143: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:143: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
avl.h:145: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:145: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:145: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
avl.h:147: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:147: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:147: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
avl.h:152: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:158: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:164: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:165: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:166: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:167: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:168: syntax error before '*' token
avl.h:169: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c:41: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c:43: syntax error before "avl_node"
avl.c: In function `avl_node_new':
avl.c:45: `node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:45: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
avl.c:45: for each function it appears in.)
avl.c:45: syntax error before ')' token
avl.c:50: `parent' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:51: `key' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:62: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_tree_new':
avl.c:66: `t' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:66: syntax error before ')' token
avl.c:71: `root' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:71: syntax error before ')' token
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:87: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_tree_free_helper':
avl.c:89: `node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:90: `free_key_fun' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:92: `free_key_fun' used prior to declaration
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:100: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_tree_free':
avl.c:102: `tree' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:103: `free_key_fun' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:103: `free_key_fun' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:113: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_insert':
avl.c:116: `ob' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:117: `node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:117: `key' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:126: `t' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:126: `p' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:126: `s' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:126: `q' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:126: `r' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:139: `q_node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:289: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_get_by_index':
avl.c:293: `p' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:293: `tree' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:294: `index' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:305: `value_address' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:312: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_get_by_key':
avl.c:316: `x' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:316: `tree' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:321: `key' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:335: `value_address' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:341: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_delete':
avl.c:343: `x' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:343: `y' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:343: `p' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:343: `q' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:343: `r' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:343: `top' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:343: `x_child' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:346: `tree' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:351: `key' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:447: `free_key_fun' used prior to declaration
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:614: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_iterate_inorder_helper':
avl.c:619: `node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:620: `iter_fun' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:620: `iter_arg' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:625: `iter_fun' used prior to declaration
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:639: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_iterate_inorder':
avl.c:645: `tree' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:646: `iter_fun' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:646: `iter_arg' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:653: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c:653: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_get_first':
avl.c:655: `node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:657: `tree' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:666: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c:666: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_get_prev':
avl.c:668: `node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:676: `child' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:689: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c:689: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_get_next':
avl.c:691: `node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:699: `child' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:715: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_iterate_index_range':
avl.c:723: `node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:725: `high' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:725: `tree' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:728: `low' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:745: `iter_fun' used prior to declaration
avl.c:745: `iter_arg' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:758: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c:759: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_get_index_by_key':
avl.c:763: `x' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:763: `tree' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:772: `key' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:779: `index' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:800: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_get_span_by_key':
avl.c:806: `node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:808: `tree' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:808: `key' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:816: `left' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:816: `right' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:831: `low' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:832: `high' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:843: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_get_span_by_two_keys':
avl.c:850: `low_node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:850: `high_node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:854: `tree' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:854: `low_key' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:854: `high_key' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:865: `left' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:876: `right' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:887: `low' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:888: `high' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:894: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_get_item_by_key_most':
avl.c:898: `x' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:898: `tree' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:899: `value_address' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:905: `key' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:938: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_get_item_by_key_least':
avl.c:942: `x' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:942: `tree' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:943: `value_address' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:949: `key' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:982: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_verify_balance':
avl.c:984: `node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:1002: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_verify_parent':
avl.c:1004: `node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:1004: `parent' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:1017: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_verify_rank':
avl.c:1019: `node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:1040: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_verify':
avl.c:1042: `tree' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:1106: syntax error before "avl_node"
avl.c: In function `print_node':
avl.c:1111: `node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:1115: `link' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:1140: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_print_tree':
avl.c:1143: `key_printer' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c:1146: `tree' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:1154: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_tree_rlock':
avl.c:1156: `tree' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:1159: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_tree_wlock':
avl.c:1161: `tree' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:1164: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_tree_unlock':
avl.c:1166: `tree' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:1169: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_node_rlock':
avl.c:1171: `node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:1174: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_node_wlock':
avl.c:1176: `node' undeclared (first use in this function)
avl.c: At top level:
avl.c:1179: syntax error before '*' token
avl.c: In function `avl_node_unlock':
avl.c:1181: `node' undeclared (first use in this function)
make[3]: *** [avl.lo] Error 1
make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/ices2/src/avl'
make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/libshout2/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/libshout2'
make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2

I suspect this is another simptom of the threads stuff that's being worked
on.  I suspect I'm missing something important, something configure wasn't
too bothered about however.

Any help most appreciated.

Geoff.

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From pharkawik at hampshire.edu  Thu Mar 13 15:56:48 2003
From: pharkawik at hampshire.edu (pharkawik at hampshire.edu)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 10:56:48 -0500
Subject: [icecast] trouble compiling ices
Message-ID: <65F00366-556C-11D7-886C-000393CE32DC@hampshire.edu>



i am getting this error in ices:

root at yurt:~/ices-0.2.3# ices -c /etc/icecast/ices.conf
Cannot use config file (no XML support).
Ices Exiting...

o i tried to recompile it with XML support but...

root at yurt:~/ices-0.2.3# make install
Making install in src
make[1]: Entering directory `/root/ices-0.2.3/src'
Making install in playlist
make[2]: Entering directory `/root/ices-0.2.3/src/playlist'
gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. 
-DICES_MODULEDIR=\"/usr/local/icecast/etc/modules\"         -I../../src 
   -I/usr/include/libxml2/libxml -I/usr/include/libxml2  -g -O2 -Wall -c 
playlist.c
In file included from ../../src/definitions.h:107,
                  from playlist.c:22:
../../src/icestypes.h:34: parse error before `shout_conn_t'
../../src/icestypes.h:34: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or 
union
../../src/icestypes.h:60: parse error before `}'
../../src/icestypes.h:60: warning: type defaults to `int' in 
declaration of `ices_stream_t'
../../src/icestypes.h:60: warning: data definition has no type or 
storage class
../../src/icestypes.h:83: parse error before `ices_stream_t'
../../src/icestypes.h:83: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or 
union
../../src/icestypes.h:85: parse error before `}'
../../src/icestypes.h:85: warning: type defaults to `int' in 
declaration of `ices_config_t'
../../src/icestypes.h:85: warning: data definition has no type or 
storage class
In file included from ../../src/definitions.h:109,
                  from playlist.c:22:
../../src/setup.h:26: parse error before `*'
In file included from ../../src/definitions.h:117,
                  from playlist.c:22:
../../src/reencode.h:27: parse error before `*'
../../src/reencode.h:29: parse error before `*'
In file included from ../../src/definitions.h:118,
                  from playlist.c:22:
../../src/ices_config.h:22: parse error before `*'
playlist.c:25: parse error before `ices_config'
playlist.c:25: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of 
`ices_config'
playlist.c:25: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
playlist.c: In function `ices_playlist_get_current_lineno':
playlist.c:36: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or 
union
playlist.c:37: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or 
union
playlist.c: In function `ices_playlist_get_next':
playlist.c:48: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or 
union
playlist.c:49: warning: control reaches end of non-void function
playlist.c: In function `ices_playlist_get_metadata':
playlist.c:56: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or 
union
playlist.c:57: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or 
union
playlist.c: In function `ices_playlist_initialize':
playlist.c:70: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or 
union
playlist.c:72: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or 
union
playlist.c:74: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or 
union
playlist.c:74: warning: unreachable code at beginning of switch 
statement
playlist.c: In function `ices_playlist_reload':
playlist.c:108: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or 
union
playlist.c:109: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or 
union
playlist.c: In function `ices_playlist_shutdown':
playlist.c:119: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or 
union
make[2]: *** [playlist.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/root/ices-0.2.3/src/playlist'
make[1]: *** [install-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/root/ices-0.2.3/src'
make: *** [install-recursive] Error 1

any help appreciated!!

thanks,
peter

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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Thu Mar 13 16:31:03 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 13 Mar 2003 16:31:03 +0000
Subject: [icecast] My turn to have issues with compiling libshout
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On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 15:33, Geoff Shang wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> WARNING: This is long.
> 
> Just updated libshout and configured.  Configure didn't bomb so I guess it
> went OK and found what it wanted. But when I ran make I got this:
> 
> gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I./.. -g -O2 -Wp,-MD,.deps/avl.pp -c
> avl.c
>   -fPIC -DPIC -o .libs/avl.lo
> In file included from ../stream.h:20,
>                  from ../config.h:17,
>                  from avl.c:33:
> ../thread/thread.h:90: syntax error before "pthread_rwlock_t"

This is the key point, what system is this, and can you send me the
config.log

> I suspect this is another simptom of the threads stuff that's being worked
> on.  I suspect I'm missing something important, something configure wasn't
> too bothered about however.

yep, although I'm surprised configure passed this bit though. the
config.log will explain more.

<p>karl.

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From Iceuse at kezako.net  Thu Mar 13 16:53:41 2003
From: Iceuse at kezako.net (Chris)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 17:53:41 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Ices problems : Skipped corrupt file
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Hi,

yes, it has.
I ckecked out all the stuff from xiph.org and rebuild everything for 
ices 2. Now, it works.

Except that there are a bug in
ices/src/input.c, at the end:
free(control);

control is not a dynamically allocated variable, so it crashed ices.
(it is the address of a global variable).
This appends when you are in managed mode and you set the bitrates to 
values under 30000.
I don't know where to send that. Hope it will help.

<p>This raise another question:
-------------------------------------------
Why it is not possible to use bitrates < 30000 ?

Thanks,
Chris

Geoff Shang wrote:

>Hi:
>
>does your mountpoint have a .ogg extension?  If not, then your player
>probably thinks it's an MP3 stream and is barfing on it.  If it has, then
>I've no idea.
>
>Geoff.
>
>
>  
>

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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Thu Mar 13 17:09:45 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 13 Mar 2003 17:09:45 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Ices problems : Skipped corrupt file
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On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 16:53, Chris wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> yes, it has.
> I ckecked out all the stuff from xiph.org and rebuild everything for 
> ices 2. Now, it works.
> 
> Except that there are a bug in
> ices/src/input.c, at the end:
> free(control);

d'oh, it used it dynamic, thought I sorted that. commit  will be
happening shortly after I get some food.

karl.

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From brendan at xiph.org  Thu Mar 13 17:06:51 2003
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 12:06:51 -0500
Subject: [icecast] make problems on libshout CVS.
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On Thursday, 13 March 2003 at 01:20, Mr. Stauf wrote:
> Yep.  That one was right on the nose.  Sorry about that folks, I was using
> the simple "I'm going to the web cvs and downloading the tarball" instead of
> cvs -f -d :pserver:anoncvs at xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot login way of doing things
> Thanks for the fast reply.  I am humbled. :)

By the way, I'm currently generating nightly snapshots of libshout2 and ices2 at
http://www.xiph.org/~brendan/

The usual tar;configure;make procedure should work for them. I'd be interested
in hearing about cases where it doesn't.

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From smcmanus at twcsd.com  Thu Mar 13 22:24:27 2003
From: smcmanus at twcsd.com (Shaun Mcmanus)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 14:24:27 -0800
Subject: [icecast] Howto stream using icecast/ices bit rate peeled ogg files
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In the meantime, could Oddsock's streamTranscoder be modified to perform a
Ogg to Ogg conversion? Since it already performs a MP3 to Ogg converseion.
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From gshang at uq.net.au  Thu Mar 13 23:16:20 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:16:20 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Howto stream using icecast/ices bit rate peeled ogg  files
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On Thu, 13 Mar 2003, Shaun Mcmanus wrote:

> In the meantime, could Oddsock's streamTranscoder be modified to perform a
> Ogg to Ogg conversion? Since it already performs a MP3 to Ogg converseion.

It already can.

Geoff.

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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Thu Mar 13 23:18:57 2003
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 00:18:57 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Ices problems : Skipped corrupt file
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Chris wrote:
> Why it is not possible to use bitrates < 30000 ?

It is, but it requires resampling to sample rates lower than 44.1 kHz.

<p>Moritz
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From gshang at uq.net.au  Thu Mar 13 23:28:51 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:28:51 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] My turn to have issues with compiling libshout
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On 13 Mar 2003, Karl Heyes wrote:

> > ../thread/thread.h:90: syntax error before "pthread_rwlock_t"
>
> This is the key point, what system is this, and can you send me the
> config.log

This system is running Debian unstable and has the following auto*
versions:

automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p6
autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.57

Unstable has automake 1.4, 1.5, 1.6 and 1.7 available.  Is this the likely
problem and is there a suggested version to upgrade to?

I'll send the log privately as it's 31k.

Geoff.

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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Fri Mar 14 00:56:50 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 00:56:50 +0000
Subject: [icecast] My turn to have issues with compiling libshout
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On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 23:28, Geoff Shang wrote:

> > This is the key point, what system is this, and can you send me the
> > config.log
> 
> This system is running Debian unstable and has the following auto*
> versions:

I'm currently in the process of changing the setup for using rwlock_t,
not all systems have them (they are a later posix spec) and are only
used by one module (avl).

The configure found the right flags to use but the make didn't use it,
so maybe try the recent checkins and if it's still a problem then send
me the config.log and libshout/avl/Makefile

> automake (GNU automake) 1.4-p6
> autoconf (GNU Autoconf) 2.57
> 
> Unstable has automake 1.4, 1.5, 1.6 and 1.7 available.  Is this the likely
> problem and is there a suggested version to upgrade to?

well brendan is thinking of making 1.6 the pre-requisite as the earlier
versions had various problems. I don't know what those problems are, but
many people have complained about them, so it's not beyond the realms of
possibilities that this could be biting you.

karl.

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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au  Fri Mar 14 00:58:30 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 11:58:30 +1100
Subject: [icecast] My turn to have issues with compiling libshout
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Karl Heyes <karl at pts.tele2.co.uk> said:

> On Thu, 2003-03-13 at 23:28, Geoff Shang wrote:
> 
> > > This is the key point, what system is this, and can you send me the
> > > config.log
> > 
> > This system is running Debian unstable and has the following auto*
> > versions:
> 
> I'm currently in the process of changing the setup for using rwlock_t,
> not all systems have them (they are a later posix spec) and are only
> used by one module (avl).
> 

Err.. what? The rwlocks are absolutely _critical_ for icecast (though probably
not for ices/libshout). You cannot remove them or make them optional.

Mike

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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Fri Mar 14 02:24:48 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 02:24:48 +0000
Subject: [icecast] My turn to have issues with compiling libshout
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On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 00:58, Michael Smith wrote:

> > I'm currently in the process of changing the setup for using rwlock_t,
> > not all systems have them (they are a later posix spec) and are only
> > used by one module (avl).
> > 
> 
> Err.. what? The rwlocks are absolutely _critical_ for icecast (though probably
> not for ices/libshout). You cannot remove them or make them optional.

don't worry, icecast itself can require them, it's just that the smaller
libs like thread don't require rwlock_t and therefore ices/libshout or
anything else that use don't.

karl.

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From jack at xiph.org  Fri Mar 14 02:29:50 2003
From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt)
Date: Thu, 13 Mar 2003 19:29:50 -0700
Subject: [icecast] My turn to have issues with compiling libshout
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> Err.. what? The rwlocks are absolutely _critical_ for icecast (though probably
> not for ices/libshout). You cannot remove them or make them optional.

Didn't I provide an implementation of rwlocks if pthreads didn't support
them?  If I didn't, I suggest finding one and using it in the case that
there's not a native one.  rwlocks can be built from primitives you
know.. :)  Or at least, I'm pretty sure they can.  That was one of the
reasons I decided to use them in the first place.

jack.
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From gshang at uq.net.au  Fri Mar 14 03:05:10 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:05:10 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] My turn to have issues with compiling libshout
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On 14 Mar 2003, Karl Heyes wrote:

> The configure found the right flags to use but the make didn't use it,
> so maybe try the recent checkins and if it's still a problem then send
> me the config.log and libshout/avl/Makefile

OK, will send privately again since it's big again.

> well brendan is thinking of making 1.6 the pre-requisite as the earlier
> versions had various problems. I don't know what those problems are, but
> many people have complained about them, so it's not beyond the realms of
> possibilities that this could be biting you.

hmmm.  Well, I'll get the guy  who admin's the box to upgrade.  He has
probably hit the sack by now.

Geoff.

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From pharkawik at hampshire.edu  Fri Mar 14 18:47:11 2003
From: pharkawik at hampshire.edu (pharkawik at hampshire.edu)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:47:11 -0500
Subject: [icecast] unable to set gid
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my icecast install was working fine until today when it died 
inexplicably. now it says

peter at yurt:~$ /etc/init.d/icecast-server start
Starting /usr/sbin/icecast...
start-stop-daemon: Unable to set gid to 102

what the HELL is gid

thanking you in advance for the help,
peter

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From pharkawik at hampshire.edu  Fri Mar 14 18:55:14 2003
From: pharkawik at hampshire.edu (pharkawik at hampshire.edu)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:55:14 -0500
Subject: [icecast] unable to set gid
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icecast is saying:

[14/Mar/2003:13:52:48] ERROR: Invalid syntax for acl allow on line 335
[14/Mar/2003:13:52:48] ERROR: Invalid syntax for acl allow on line 335

what does that mean?

thanks.

On Friday, March 14, 2003, at 01:47 PM, pharkawik at hampshire.edu wrote:

> my icecast install was working fine until today when it died 
> inexplicably. now it says
>
> peter at yurt:~$ /etc/init.d/icecast-server start
> Starting /usr/sbin/icecast...
> start-stop-daemon: Unable to set gid to 102
>
> what the HELL is gid
>
> thanking you in advance for the help,
> peter
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From ronnie at mixsessions.com  Fri Mar 14 20:02:36 2003
From: ronnie at mixsessions.com (ronnie at mixsessions.com)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:02:36 -0500
Subject: [icecast] /usr/bin/wish - required
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Sorry about posting this liveice question here but I know someone can give me an answer. When I try
to install a livice rpm I get /usr/bin/wish is required for installation. Can someone please tell
me what this is or what I require?

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From bcasci at runbox.com  Fri Mar 14 20:16:13 2003
From: bcasci at runbox.com (Brandon)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 15:16:13 -0500
Subject: [icecast] OGG streaming and Icecast2
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Hi All,

I recently just took the time to play with the OGG format and compare it to
mp3..and my conclusion is:

SWEEEEET

Where can I learn about writing a source for Icecast2? I written sources for
Shoutcast..that was pretty straight forward..rip through an mp3 file and
send the bytes to shoutcast at specific intervals. OGG is VBR...so I'm
having trouble wrappign my head around how I shoudl go about streaming bytes
to Icecast2..

where can I learn more?

I see the documentaiton on xiph.org, but I guess I'm looking for more of a
tutorial...is there one?

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From kerry.cox at ksl.com  Fri Mar 14 20:35:30 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 14 Mar 2003 13:35:30 -0700
Subject: [icecast] OGG streaming and Icecast2
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Maybe try my unofficial icecast howto at http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/.
It's not much but it works great for me.
Hope it works.
KJ

<p>On Fri, 2003-03-14 at 13:16, Brandon wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I recently just took the time to play with the OGG format and compare it to
> mp3..and my conclusion is:
> 
> SWEEEEET
> 
> Where can I learn about writing a source for Icecast2? I written sources for
> Shoutcast..that was pretty straight forward..rip through an mp3 file and
> send the bytes to shoutcast at specific intervals. OGG is VBR...so I'm
> having trouble wrappign my head around how I shoudl go about streaming bytes
> to Icecast2..
> 
> where can I learn more?
> 
> I see the documentaiton on xiph.org, but I guess I'm looking for more of a
> tutorial...is there one?
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From swave at mara.org  Fri Mar 14 21:41:38 2003
From: swave at mara.org (Steve Meuse)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:41:38 -0500
Subject: [icecast] /usr/bin/wish - required
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ronnie at mixsessions.com expunged (ronnie at mixsessions.com):

> 
> Sorry about posting this liveice question here but I know someone can give me an answer. When I try
> to install a livice rpm I get /usr/bin/wish is required for installation. Can someone please tell
> me what this is or what I require?

I believe this is Expect, the scripting language.

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From bcasci at runbox.com  Fri Mar 14 21:47:58 2003
From: bcasci at runbox.com (Brandon)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 16:47:58 -0500
Subject: [icecast] OGG streaming and Icecast2
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Not too much information there on how to write your own streamer...BUT

it was very very educational.

>From reading the document it lookes like ices would be  great way to stream
to icecast2.

Does anyone know if ices compiles on windows?

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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Fri Mar 14 21:57:34 2003
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 22:57:34 +0100
Subject: [icecast] unable to set gid
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pharkawik at hampshire.edu wrote:
> Starting /usr/sbin/icecast...
> start-stop-daemon: Unable to set gid to 102
> 
> what the HELL is gid

"Group ID" ... if you want to run it as your user, disable the option to
change any UIDs/GIDs. Only root can do that (e.g. start it as root and
have it drop privileges to some user like 'nobody' or an 'icecast' user
or whatever).

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From mihamina.rakotomandimby at laposte.net  Fri Mar 14 22:42:32 2003
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Date: 14 Mar 2003 23:42:32 +0100
Subject: [icecast] /usr/bin/wish - required
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> 
> I believe this is Expect, the scripting language.
is not wish a Tk shell or  Tcl shell ? 

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From ronnie at mixsessions.com  Fri Mar 14 23:31:03 2003
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Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:31:03 -0500
Subject: [icecast] /usr/bin/wish - required
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Thanks everyone for the quick response
 was Tk / Tcl  

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<p>> 
> I believe this is Expect, the scripting language.
is not wish a Tk shell or  Tcl shell ? 

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From chrisg1 at umbc.edu  Fri Mar 14 23:34:55 2003
From: chrisg1 at umbc.edu (Chris G Moguta)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:34:55 -0500
Subject: [icecast] OGG streaming and Icecast2
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No, Ices is not for Windows.

Oddcast is a good Windows streamer, though.  (WinAmp plugin)
www.oddsock.org

>===== Original Message From "Brandon" <bcasci at runbox.com> =====
>Not too much information there on how to write your own streamer...BUT
>
>it was very very educational.
>
>>From reading the document it lookes like ices would be  great way to stream
>to icecast2.
>
>Does anyone know if ices compiles on windows?
>
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From bcasci at runbox.com  Fri Mar 14 23:44:40 2003
From: bcasci at runbox.com (Brandon)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 18:44:40 -0500
Subject: [icecast] OGG streaming and Icecast2
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> No, Ices is not for Windows.

I just found something called m3w. It functions like ices..but its for
windows. It only supports Icecast 1.x though..no OGG either :(

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From swave at mara.org  Sat Mar 15 00:26:58 2003
From: swave at mara.org (Steve Meuse)
Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 19:26:58 -0500
Subject: [icecast] /usr/bin/wish - required
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Rakotomandimby Mihamina expunged (mihamina.rakotomandimby at laposte.net):

> 
> > 
> > I believe this is Expect, the scripting language.
> is not wish a Tk shell or  Tcl shell ? 

That was my second guess :) 

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From msmith at xiph.org  Sat Mar 15 02:23:40 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:23:40 +1100
Subject: [icecast] OGG streaming and Icecast2
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On Saturday 15 March 2003 07:16, Brandon wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I recently just took the time to play with the OGG format and compare it to
> mp3..and my conclusion is:
>
> SWEEEEET
>
> Where can I learn about writing a source for Icecast2? I written sources
> for Shoutcast..that was pretty straight forward..rip through an mp3 file
> and send the bytes to shoutcast at specific intervals. OGG is VBR...so I'm
> having trouble wrappign my head around how I shoudl go about streaming
> bytes to Icecast2..
>
> where can I learn more?
>
> I see the documentaiton on xiph.org, but I guess I'm looking for more of a
> tutorial...is there one?

Ogg has absolute positioning information in the page headers. Using that along 
with the vorbis header (for sample rates, etc.) is enough to let you figure 
out how fast to send the data.

The easier approach, however, is to use libshout to do this - libshout is just 
a simple layer that does two major things: rate control (what you were asking 
about) and login (and related bits like authentication).

It's pretty easy to use.

Mike

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Sat Mar 15 03:30:32 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:30:32 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] OGG streaming and Icecast2
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On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Michael Smith wrote:

> The easier approach, however, is to use libshout to do this - libshout is just
> a simple layer that does two major things: rate control (what you were asking
> about) and login (and related bits like authentication).

This guy is using windows.  Does libshout work under windows?  I dont't
remember hearing of any win32 builds, but that doesn't mean it  won't
compile I guess.

Geoff.

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Sat Mar 15 04:00:18 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:00:18 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] ices dsp metdata fix
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On 24 Jan 2003, Karl Heyes wrote:

> The attached diff is to fix the ability to provide metadata updates from
> a file whilst using the DSP (live input).  Currently it doesn't work
> reliably.

just going through some old messages.  Did this get committed to CVS?  I
don't remember seeing it, but could easily have missed it.

Geoff.

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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Sat Mar 15 04:24:33 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 15 Mar 2003 04:24:33 +0000
Subject: [icecast] ices dsp metdata fix
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On Sat, 2003-03-15 at 04:00, Geoff Shang wrote:
> On 24 Jan 2003, Karl Heyes wrote:
> 
> > The attached diff is to fix the ability to provide metadata updates from
> > a file whilst using the DSP (live input).  Currently it doesn't work
> > reliably.
> 
> just going through some old messages.  Did this get committed to CVS?  I
> don't remember seeing it, but could easily have missed it.

yeah it did, it went in with a batch of fixes that didn't show up on the
CVS mailing list (I wasn't on the whitelist at the time).

The fixes were live input metadata updates working reliably as
mentioned. log the read metadata for live input, automatically read
metadata at start and IIRC the fix for sound corruption (in some setups)
again reading from live.

karl.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Sat Mar 15 05:13:41 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 16:13:41 +1100
Subject: [icecast] OGG streaming and Icecast2
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On Saturday 15 March 2003 14:30, Geoff Shang wrote:
> On Sat, 15 Mar 2003, Michael Smith wrote:
> > The easier approach, however, is to use libshout to do this - libshout is
> > just a simple layer that does two major things: rate control (what you
> > were asking about) and login (and related bits like authentication).
>
> This guy is using windows.  Does libshout work under windows?  I dont't
> remember hearing of any win32 builds, but that doesn't mean it  won't
> compile I guess.

It should. It's a serious and unintended bug if it does not.

Mike

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From boink at tetter.xs4all.nl  Sat Mar 15 09:25:41 2003
From: boink at tetter.xs4all.nl (boink)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 10:25:41 +0100
Subject: [icecast] dare to compare -- live streams: ogg/WMA
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hello all!

After having read http://www.xiph.org/ogg/vorbis/listen.html and
listened to the examples on that very educational page, I decided to
augment the info. 

This example is more simple, it involves the comparision between two
streams of the same radio station, FranceInter (a station of Radio
France in Paris). 

The ogg stream is running at around 30 kbps/11 kHz in stereo. The WMA
stream (provided by yacast.fr) is running at 16 kbps/22 kHz in mono. 

The ogg stream is being encoded on an old Pentium 166 mmx (a HP Vectra,
an office workstation from 1996). Yacast won't release any info on what
they use, however, Windows 2000/XP won't even boot on an old Pentium 166
mmx. 

The stream url's:

1) the ogg stream:
   http://unix.rulez.org:8888/fr-inter.ogg

<p>2) the WMA stream:
   mms://vip9.yacast.fr/encoderfranceinter/franceinter.asx
   (use aviplay if using Linux/*BSD)

<p>FranceInter is mostly talk radio with some music programmes. For
classical music, one can listen to "Carrefour de Lod?on" at 1500 UTC
Monday to Friday and "Les Grands Concerts de Radio France" every Sunday
at 2000 UTC.

bonne ?coute! (happy listening!) :)

boink

p.s. if you don't know what UTC is, please check on
http://www.timeanddate.com

p.s.s. my own notes are on http://cuba.calyx.nl/~oink/oggstreams/


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From inzanekaoz at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 15 17:19:18 2003
From: inzanekaoz at yahoo.com (HJ)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:19:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] dare to compare -- live streams: ogg/WMA
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--- boink <boink at tetter.xs4all.nl> wrote:
> The ogg stream is running at around 30 kbps/11 kHz in stereo. The
> WMA
> stream (provided by yacast.fr) is running at 16 kbps/22 kHz in
> mono. 

Is stereo vs. mono, and 22khz vs. 11khz even a fair comparison?

22khz vs. 11khz: 22khz, by definition, gives the 22khz stream much
more frequency range and *opportunity* to sound clearer.  Yes, there
are more audible artifacts in the .wma than in the Vorbis stream,
but IMHO the sampling rate should match anyway.

Stereo vs. mono is less of an issue, I think, but it can still wreak
havoc when trying to do an honest comparison.

<p>Think:
  * WMA stream:  sounds 'clearer', but more artifacts, 1 channel,
16kbps
  * Vorbis stream:  sounds 'cleaner' but not 'clearer', less
artifacts, 2 channels, 30kbps

One might assume strange things based on bitrate, difference in
channels, and overlook or cry foul that the sampling rates are
different.

<p>~HJ

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From ronnie at mixsessions.com  Sat Mar 15 17:26:42 2003
From: ronnie at mixsessions.com (ronnie at mixsessions.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:26:42 -0500
Subject: [icecast] auto start stop restart
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I finally have icecast1.x, ices-02x, and liveice installed on my "media server". I'd like to thank
everyone for the help.

I have a new task I would like to undertake. I would like to know if anyone has created a script
that will automatically start, stop, restart icecast depending on the day of the week and time of
day? I am sure this is possible but of course I have just converted to linux from windows using
asp/vbscript/jscript. 

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From inzanekaoz at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 15 17:29:33 2003
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Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:29:33 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] auto start stop restart
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From mike at linuxlink.com  Sat Mar 15 18:37:25 2003
From: mike at linuxlink.com (mike)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:37:25 -0600
Subject: [icecast] SXSW.com fun
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We finally got icecast/ices streaming audio for 6 venues in Austin here 
for SXSW.  We are streaming wirelessly and that gave us a fit at the outset.

Anyway, the url is http://sxsw.com/music/livestreams

Thanks to all the developers and the Vorbis Communiy


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From ronnie at mixsessions.com  Sat Mar 15 18:51:46 2003
From: ronnie at mixsessions.com (ronnie at mixsessions.com)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 13:51:46 -0500
Subject: [icecast] SXSW.com fun
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how diapointing no mp3 streams!

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We finally got icecast/ices streaming audio for 6 venues in Austin here 
for SXSW.  We are streaming wirelessly and that gave us a fit at the outset.

Anyway, the url is http://sxsw.com/music/livestreams

Thanks to all the developers and the Vorbis Communiy


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From boink at tetter.xs4all.nl  Sat Mar 15 22:17:41 2003
From: boink at tetter.xs4all.nl (boink)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:17:41 +0100
Subject: [icecast] dare to compare -- live streams: ogg/WMA
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hello,

I like your point here .. it's difficult to make such a comparision,
since yacast.fr choosed to stream like that. Why did they choose to
stream like that? That's beyond me, since Radio France has a budjet of
millions. 

The point of this comparision was to show why is Radio France doing and
paying for something like this? Me, with cheap computers which were
had no more value (well, they can't run Windows XP) could be used to do
streaming and reliable streaming. 

This is only possible because of the open source work ... which shows
that when creative thought is not stamped out by bureaucratic ineptitude
or/and corruption, it can achieve the "impossible". 

I do feel that Radio France, since it is a public service, does have the
duty not to waste money. This was also a point of my "comparision". 

boink.

On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 09:19:18AM -0800, HJ wrote:
> 
> --- boink <boink at tetter.xs4all.nl> wrote:
> > The ogg stream is running at around 30 kbps/11 kHz in stereo. The
> > WMA
> > stream (provided by yacast.fr) is running at 16 kbps/22 kHz in
> > mono. 
> 
> Is stereo vs. mono, and 22khz vs. 11khz even a fair comparison?
> 
> 22khz vs. 11khz: 22khz, by definition, gives the 22khz stream much
> more frequency range and *opportunity* to sound clearer.  Yes, there
> are more audible artifacts in the .wma than in the Vorbis stream,
> but IMHO the sampling rate should match anyway.
> 
> Stereo vs. mono is less of an issue, I think, but it can still wreak
> havoc when trying to do an honest comparison.
> 
> 
> Think:
>   * WMA stream:  sounds 'clearer', but more artifacts, 1 channel,
> 16kbps
>   * Vorbis stream:  sounds 'cleaner' but not 'clearer', less
> artifacts, 2 channels, 30kbps
> 
> One might assume strange things based on bitrate, difference in
> channels, and overlook or cry foul that the sampling rates are
> different.
> 
> 
> ~HJ
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From boink at tetter.xs4all.nl  Sat Mar 15 22:21:20 2003
From: boink at tetter.xs4all.nl (boink)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:21:20 +0100
Subject: [icecast] SXSW.com fun
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must there be mp3 streams? why is that disapointing? 

boink

On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 01:51:46PM -0500, ronnie at mixsessions.com wrote:
> 
> how diapointing no mp3 streams!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mike
> To:  icecast at xiph.org
> Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:37:25 -0600
> Subject: [icecast] SXSW.com fun
> 
> We finally got icecast/ices streaming audio for 6 venues in Austin here 
> for SXSW.  We are streaming wirelessly and that gave us a fit at the outset.
> 
> Anyway, the url is http://sxsw.com/music/livestreams
> 
> Thanks to all the developers and the Vorbis Communiy
> 
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From gshang at uq.net.au  Sat Mar 15 22:34:20 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 08:34:20 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] dare to compare -- live streams: ogg/WMA
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Hi:

You might achieve a fairer comparison if you encoded the vorbis stream at
22khz mono quality -1.  You'd get a bitrate around 22-24kbps and it'd be
the same audio format as the wma stream.

Geoff.

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From boink at tetter.xs4all.nl  Sat Mar 15 23:50:13 2003
From: boink at tetter.xs4all.nl (boink)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:50:13 +0100
Subject: [icecast] dare to compare -- live streams: ogg/WMA
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thanks for the idea geoff :)

however, I don't want to do that to my listeners. I want to provide them
with the best stream the little Pentium 166 mmx can do. 

thus ... this really isn't just a technical issue here. it's proof here
that technology, whatever it may be, also relies on people. We know how
well techinally ogg works, but can people really use it yet? 

for instace, if many radio stations were to stream in ogg, could people
use their Real Media Player or Windows Media Player? Do people know how
to get Winamp 2.8 (and not Winamp 3) and even install it? 

the comparision, techinally is not totally in order like the files are
on Monty's comparision page. however, Radio France has a budjet of
millions and me? I did everything for under 200 euro. And per month? I
pay nothing. 

boink.

On Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 08:34:20AM +1000, Geoff Shang wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> You might achieve a fairer comparison if you encoded the vorbis stream at
> 22khz mono quality -1.  You'd get a bitrate around 22-24kbps and it'd be
> the same audio format as the wma stream.
> 
> Geoff.
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From jeremy at squat.net  Sun Mar 16 01:41:57 2003
From: jeremy at squat.net (jeremy at squat.net)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 02:41:57 +0100
Subject: [icecast] libshout1-based mp3 streaming to icecast2
Message-ID: <20030316014157.GK16881@squat.net>



According to what I've read on this mailing list, it should be possible
to stream MP3 data to icecast2 using ices-0.2.3, which I assume also
should be the case for any other streaming client based on libshout1. So I
decided to test this out to see if we really could dispense with
icecast1 altogether on the server I help administer. My results were not
promising, to say the least. 

I wiped out libshout2 and installed libshout 1.0.9 from cvs.icecast.org,
which seems to be necessary to compile ices-0.2.3 (it would not compile
with libshout2, I assume due to the different structure of shout_t).
After compiling and installing ices0, I tried the following command
line:

ices0 -b 24 -h freeteam.nl -p 9000 -P ****** -m testxyz -F ./playlist

>From the streaming end, I got the error:
Error during send: Mount failed on http://194.109.209.34:9000/testxyz,
error: Could not login on server. Server message: HTTP/1.0 401
Authentication Required

In the icecast2 error log, I see:
[2003-03-16  02:23:10] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
logging in at mountpoint "/"
[2003-03-16  02:23:10] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source (/)
attempted to login with invalid or missing password

In the icecast2 access log:
xx.xx.xx.xx - - [16/Mar/2003:02:23:10 +0100] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 401 115 "-" "-" 0

If I add the -i switch to the ices command line to make it
icy-compatible, I get:

Error during send: Mount failed on http://194.109.209.34:9000/teztxyz,
error: Not connected to server.

and nothing logged in either the error or access logs of icecast2.

Same goes for freestream (http://squat.net/freestream), a perl script
we use based on Shout.pm, which in turn is based on libshout1.

Interestingly, when I used freestream with a Shout.pm that was compiled
with libshout 1.0.5, I was able to log in and stream to icecast2, but
when I tried to listen to the stream (at mountpoint /, the mountpoint I
specified does not get through to icecast2 in any case), I got HTTP
headers from icecast2 and then a disconnect.

Any advice?

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Sun Mar 16 01:57:41 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:57:41 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] libshout1-based mp3 streaming to icecast2
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Hi:

To stream to icecast2, you need to use ices 0x from CVS (I think it's
anoncvs at xiph.org/cvs/ice or something) with libshout2.  the decision was
made to drop icecast 1 protocol support, given that they have to support
shoutcast and icecast2 as it is.

Geoff.

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From brendan at xiph.org  Sun Mar 16 02:12:08 2003
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:12:08 -0500
Subject: [icecast] libshout1-based mp3 streaming to icecast2
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The short answer, as Geoff says, is to use ices 0.x from CVS with libshout 2.
The good news is CVS ices 0 has a number of bug fixes.

libshout2 may be found at anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot libshout
ices is at anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice ices

Note the different paths above!

Now, a little more detail:

On Sunday, 16 March 2003 at 02:41, jeremy at squat.net wrote:

> ices0 -b 24 -h freeteam.nl -p 9000 -P ****** -m testxyz -F ./playlist
> 
> >From the streaming end, I got the error:
> Error during send: Mount failed on http://194.109.209.34:9000/testxyz,
> error: Could not login on server. Server message: HTTP/1.0 401
> Authentication Required

icecast 2 doesn't support x-audiocast, the default protocol in ices and
icecast 1.

> If I add the -i switch to the ices command line to make it
> icy-compatible, I get:
> 
> Error during send: Mount failed on http://194.109.209.34:9000/teztxyz,
> error: Not connected to server.

The shoutcast protocol ("icy") actually uses two ports for encoders.
The base port is used for metadata (song name) updates, but the actual
data goes to that port + 1. So, to be fully shoutcast compatible, you have
to configure icecast to listen on two ports. In this case, those are 9000
and 9001.

The error you see here is because ices cannot connect to port 9001.
 
> and nothing logged in either the error or access logs of icecast2.

Naturally.

> Interestingly, when I used freestream with a Shout.pm that was compiled
> with libshout 1.0.5, I was able to log in and stream to icecast2, but

I imagine this is due to a bug in that version of Shout.pm, which connects
to the same port for both data and metadata (if Shout.pm supports metadata -
I haven't used it).

> when I tried to listen to the stream (at mountpoint /, the mountpoint I
> specified does not get through to icecast2 in any case), I got HTTP
> headers from icecast2 and then a disconnect.

Because shoutcast doesn't support mount points, icecast was forced to create
on itself. It's probably /icy_0, but you can see for yourself in the icecast 2
logs. When the source successfully logs in, you'll see the mountpoint assigned.

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From brendan at xiph.org  Sun Mar 16 02:15:01 2003
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:15:01 -0500
Subject: [icecast] libshout1-based mp3 streaming to icecast2
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Sorry to follow up on my own post, but you may find it more convenient to use
the nightly snapshots posted at http://www.xiph.org/~brendan/

On Saturday, 15 March 2003 at 21:12, Brendan Cully wrote:
> The short answer, as Geoff says, is to use ices 0.x from CVS with libshout 2.
> The good news is CVS ices 0 has a number of bug fixes.
> 
> libshout2 may be found at anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot libshout
> ices is at anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice ices

<snip>

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From ronnie at mixsessions.com  Sun Mar 16 06:42:59 2003
From: ronnie at mixsessions.com (ronnie at mixsessions.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 01:42:59 -0500
Subject: [icecast] SXSW.com fun
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well because I really wanted to tune in however I was behind a windows nt machine that was "locked
down". I can't dl anything to it; only has wmp with mp3 support

that is the only reason! :P

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To:  icecast at xiph.org
Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 23:21:20 +0100
Subject: Re: [icecast] SXSW.com fun

<p>must there be mp3 streams? why is that disapointing? 

boink

On Sat, Mar 15, 2003 at 01:51:46PM -0500, ronnie at mixsessions.com wrote:
> 
> how diapointing no mp3 streams!
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: mike
> To:  icecast at xiph.org
> Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 12:37:25 -0600
> Subject: [icecast] SXSW.com fun
> 
> We finally got icecast/ices streaming audio for 6 venues in Austin here 
> for SXSW.  We are streaming wirelessly and that gave us a fit at the outset.
> 
> Anyway, the url is http://sxsw.com/music/livestreams
> 
> Thanks to all the developers and the Vorbis Communiy
> 
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From ronnie at mixsessions.com  Sun Mar 16 06:49:14 2003
From: ronnie at mixsessions.com (ronnie at mixsessions.com)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 01:49:14 -0500
Subject: [icecast] libshout1-based mp3 streaming to icecast2
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just a side note:

as of 3/12/2003 I could not get ices0x from cvs to compile without errors.

the nightly snapsot compiled fine

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From: Brendan Cully
To:  icecast at xiph.org
Sent: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:15:01 -0500
Subject: Re: [icecast] libshout1-based mp3 streaming to icecast2

Sorry to follow up on my own post, but you may find it more convenient to use
the nightly snapshots posted at http://www.xiph.org/~brendan/

On Saturday, 15 March 2003 at 21:12, Brendan Cully wrote:
> The short answer, as Geoff says, is to use ices 0.x from CVS with libshout 2.
> The good news is CVS ices 0 has a number of bug fixes.
> 
> libshout2 may be found at anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot libshout
> ices is at anoncvs at cvs.xiph.org:/cvs/ice ices

<snip>

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Sun Mar 16 08:01:30 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:01:30 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] SXSW.com fun
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Hi:

Hey, nice feeds for just a room mic.  Unfortunately I only remembered at
about 1:30Am Central (you guys are Central, aren't you?) and only got to
hear some stuff.  What parameters are you using for your streams?   They
sound quite nice.

I did a quick sample of everything.  Shame the mic for Maggie Mae's was so
hot, I tuned in to hear a band that I really liked the sound of.  Great
combination of pop-sounding songs and grunge riffs.  Nice contrast.  Female
vocals.  Heard the end of their set and the crowd definitely wanted more.
Would have loved to have heard them without distortion, but hey, these
things happen.

Really great idea.  Glad you guys could pull it off.  Oh and there was a
stream on 3.ogg but there didn't seem to be any link on the website to that
stream, so I have no idea what it was.  Was another venue though.

Geoff.

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From Iceuse at kezako.net  Sun Mar 16 17:08:18 2003
From: Iceuse at kezako.net (Chris)
Date: Sun, 16 Mar 2003 18:08:18 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast load tests - Too many open files
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Hi Mike,
it works fine with ulimit. The server is now outputting 80MBps of stream 
(serving 2700 clients)

Chris

Michael Smith wrote:

>On Thursday 13 March 2003 23:48, iceuse at kezako.net wrote:
>  
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>'m trying to setup an icecast server.
>>It works, bu I want to test how many clients it can serve.
>>Server: Icecast2 on PIII 933Mkz, 512Mo RAM
>>Linux Debian 3.0
>>One source sent by darkice (can't make ices2 working)
>>
>>The problem is: "The server can't serve more than 1020 clients, because of
>>a file limit" [2003-03-13  14:18:50] WARN connection/_accept_connection
>>accept() failed with error 24: Too many open files
>>    
>>
>
>Look at the output of "ulimit -n" - that's the maximum number of per-process 
>file descriptors, it's 1024 by default on most linux systems. I don't recall 
>how to change that (except as root), I'm sure you can find some 
>documentation.
>
>I've tested icecast up to about 3000 clients on an old p2 machine of mine, and 
>it could probably go further without much trouble.
>
>Mike
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From kristof at kezako.net  Sat Mar 15 08:29:14 2003
From: kristof at kezako.net (Christophe SPAM)
Date: Sat, 15 Mar 2003 09:29:14 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast load tests - Too many open files
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Hi Michael,

thanks, this has solved my problem. The server is now outputting 80MBps.

Chris
Michael Smith wrote:

>Look at the output of "ulimit -n" - that's the maximum number of per-process 
>file descriptors, it's 1024 by default on most linux systems. I don't recall 
>how to change that (except as root), I'm sure you can find some 
>documentation.
>
>I've tested icecast up to about 3000 clients on an old p2 machine of mine, and 
>it could probably go further without much trouble.
>
>Mike
>
>  
>

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From iceuse at kezako.net  Mon Mar 17 10:12:08 2003
From: iceuse at kezako.net (iceuse at kezako.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 11:12:08 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Stream with Ices2 sound very metallic
Message-ID: <E18urbE-0002b0-00@Zantos>



Hi,

I don't know why, but the stream generated by ices sounds very metallic, compared to the radio, and compared to a
stream of the same quality with darkice.

I tried different parameters, but it doesn't change.

My parameters are :
<input>
<module>oss</module>
<param name="rate">44100</param> <!-- samplerate -->
<param name="channels">2</param> <!-- number of channels -->
<param name="device">/dev/dsp</param> <!-- audio device -->
</input>
<instance>
                        <reconnectdelay>3</reconnectdelay><reconnectattempts>9</reconnectattempts>
 <maxqueuelength>80</maxqueuelength>
 <encode>
         <quality>0</quality> <!-- for Full or partial VBR -->
         <samplerate>22050</samplerate>
         <channels>2</channels>
        <managed>1</managed> <!-- Full bitrate management -->
         <nominal-bitrate>30000</nominal-bitrate>
         <minimum-bitrate>00000</minimum-bitrate><maximum-bitrate>30000</maximum-bitrate>
         <minimum-bitrate>00000</minimum-bitrate><maximum-bitrate>30000</maximum-bitrate>
  </encode>
<downmix>0</downmix>
 <resample><in-rate>44100</in-rate><out-rate>22050</out-rate></resample>
<resample><in-rate>44100</in-rate><out-rate>22050</out-rate></resample>
</instance>

(only one resample line...)

I'm using all the  newer code from xiph.org cvs reepository.

(from last week)

Does someone has an idea ?

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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Mar 17 12:14:35 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 23:14:35 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Stream with Ices2 sound very metallic
In-Reply-To: <E18urbE-0002b0-00@Zantos>
Message-ID: <200303172314.36009.msmith@xiph.org>



On Monday 17 March 2003 21:12, iceuse at kezako.net wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I don't know why, but the stream generated by ices sounds very metallic,
> compared to the radio, and compared to a stream of the same quality with
> darkice.

This is extremely unlikely - if you're using the same settings with darkice, 
it should sound the same (unless darkice is ignoring some of your settings), 
they both use precisely the same encoding library.

As a general note - setting maximum bitrate to the same as nominal is not a 
particularly good idea, it'll seriously hurt quality to do so.

Mike

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From iceuse at kezako.net  Mon Mar 17 13:58:54 2003
From: iceuse at kezako.net (iceuse at kezako.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:58:54 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Stream with Ices2 sound very metallic
In-Reply-To: <200303172314.36009.msmith@xiph.org>
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I'm not sure this it the problem, because whatever the encoding if (managed or not), 
the problem is there.
To listen to the problem:
http://www.stalig.com/radio_ices.ogg	The ices stream in a file (a few seconds)
http://www.stalig.com/radiofree.ogg  	The darkice stream in a file (a few seconds)

Looking at the content of the ogg files, we can see there are using the same vorbis lib
even if i comment the bit rates and set the managed flag to 0, the problem is there.

Strange...
Chris
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From iceuse at kezako.net  Mon Mar 17 14:07:30 2003
From: iceuse at kezako.net (iceuse at kezako.net)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:07:30 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Ogg stream at less than 22KBps 22KHz
Message-ID: <E18uvH0-0002iv-00@Zantos>



Hi,
Is it possible to generate an ogg stream at less than 22KBps ?
I tried several configuration with ices and darkice, but I always get an configure encoder error:
[2003-03-17  16:07:17] INFO input-oss/oss_open_module Opened audio device /dev/dsp at 2 channel(s), 44100 Hz
[2003-03-17  16:07:17] INFO audio/resample_initialise Initialised resampler for 2 channels, from 44100 Hz to 22050 Hz
[2003-03-17  16:07:17] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder initialising with bitrate management: 2 channels, 22050 Hz, minimum bitrate 20000, nominal 22000, maximum 30000
[2003-03-17  16:07:17] EROR encode/encode_initialise Failed to configure managed encoding for 2 channel(s), at 22050 Hz, with bitrates 30000 max 22000 nominal, 20000 min
[2003-03-17  16:07:17] EROR stream/ices_instance_stream Failed to configure encoder
[2003-03-17  16:07:17] INFO signals/signal_usr1_handler Metadata update requested
[2003-03-17  16:07:17] DBUG input/input_loop An instance died, removing it
[2003-03-17  16:07:17] DBUG input/input_flush_queue Input queue flush requested
[2003-03-17  16:07:17] DBUG input/input_loop All instances removed, shutting down control thread.
[2003-03-17  16:07:17] INFO ices-core/main Shutdown complete

<p>Are there some rules to select good triplet (min bit rate, nominal bit rate,max bit rate) ?

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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Mar 17 14:14:18 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 01:14:18 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Stream with Ices2 sound very metallic
In-Reply-To: <E18uv8g-0002id-00@Zantos>
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On Tuesday 18 March 2003 00:58, iceuse at kezako.net wrote:
> I'm not sure this it the problem, because whatever the encoding if (managed
> or not), the problem is there.
> To listen to the problem:
> http://www.stalig.com/radio_ices.ogg	The ices stream in a file (a few
> seconds) http://www.stalig.com/radiofree.ogg  	The darkice stream in a file
> (a few seconds)
>
> Looking at the content of the ogg files, we can see there are using the
> same vorbis lib even if i comment the bit rates and set the managed flag to
> 0, the problem is there.
>
> Strange...
> Chris

Not a very good comparison - the darkice stream is not using the same encoder 
parameters as the ices stream.

However, that sounds like a completely different sort of problem - I've never 
heard ices do anything that sounds like that. Can you post your config file 
to this list? It's possible you've got it misconfigured in a way that the 
code doesn't check for, or something like that.

Mike

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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Mon Mar 17 14:47:18 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 17 Mar 2003 14:47:18 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Ogg stream at less than 22KBps 22KHz
In-Reply-To: <E18uvH0-0002iv-00@Zantos>
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On Mon, 2003-03-17 at 14:07, iceuse at kezako.net wrote:

> [2003-03-17  16:07:17] INFO audio/resample_initialise Initialised resampler for 2 channels, from 44100 Hz to 22050 Hz
> [2003-03-17  16:07:17] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder initialising with bitrate management: 2 channels, 22050 Hz, minimum bitrate 20000, nominal 22000, maximum 30000
> [2003-03-17  16:07:17] EROR encode/encode_initialise Failed to configure managed encoding for 2 channel(s), at 22050 Hz, with bitrates 30000 max 22000 nominal, 20000 min
> [2003-03-17  16:07:17] EROR stream/ices_instance_stream Failed to configure encoder
> [2003-03-17  16:07:17] INFO signals/signal_usr1_handler Metadata update requested
> [2003-03-17  16:07:17] DBUG input/input_loop An instance died, removing it
> [2003-03-17  16:07:17] DBUG input/input_flush_queue Input queue flush requested
> [2003-03-17  16:07:17] DBUG input/input_loop All instances removed, shutting down control thread.
> [2003-03-17  16:07:17] INFO ices-core/main Shutdown complete
> 
> 
> Are there some rules to select good triplet (min bit rate, nominal bit rate,max bit rate) ?

for lower bandwidth use downmixing and/or lower samplerates. It's rare
to state minimum rates but the encoder itself it throwing out those
settings.

karl.

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Mon Mar 17 16:09:25 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 02:09:25 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Stream with Ices2 sound very metallic
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Hi:

Don't know if this helps, but the ices sound was out of phase.  This tends
not to encode very well at lower bitrates, due to the whole channel
coupling thing.

Geoff.

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From tposton1 at swbell.net  Mon Mar 17 20:29:40 2003
From: tposton1 at swbell.net (Todd Poston)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:29:40 -0600
Subject: [icecast] playlist streams
In-Reply-To: <Pine.SOL.4.50.0303100202330.3863-100000@sunlight.ccs.yorku.ca>
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Adon Irani wrote:
------------------
however, if you are using the fileserve option ; you only need to
generate a playlist that links to these songs . however, this again
opens up security issues of direct access to the songs ( perhaps someone
else can speak about this .. I'm not sure how this all works )
------------------

(Long: semi-detailed explanation of how to do secure file-serving below
- does not involve icecast)

It is fairly simple (and known since the beginning of CGI) to restrict
access to files served to the web from a webserver.  Webservers
generally provide some built-in security that usually leverages the file
security of the operating system.  Many times, that security is not
dynamic enough for an application.  There are hundreds of examples (if
not more), to "serve" files dynamically.

Basically, if you want to go the fileserve route, all you have to do is
to create a script or executable (depending on your choice of dev
platforms, operating system and webserver) that takes parameters (query
string (GET), form data (POST), or session variables) that tell the
script which "file" (read: MP3 or ogg) to send to the client.  That
script can perform the necessary authorization to determine if this
client is allowed to download/stream this file.

It's simple, even MS provides source code to do this.  The way it works
is you have this script that can take parameters and return data (it can
be perl, php, asp, cgi, whatever).  Let's say it is located at 
http://localhost/getFile.asp.

You pass it the following data: 
File=waynefrigginnewton.ogg.

getFile.asp opens the waynefrigginnewton.ogg file and sends every byte
it reads to the Response, and thus the client (Winamp).

The actual ogg file is located in a private directory that is not
accessible from the published directories of your webserver.  Thus no
one can actually download the file directly, they must go thru your
script to get it.  That will at least make it a little harder for people
to download your songs.

The way to take it a step further is to add authorization (which may
include authentication) in your script.  This can be things like 1) has
this client already downloaded this song 2), how long has this client
been connected to my server (when did their session start?) 3), how many
other songs has this client downloaded, etc.  You could also require a
usr/pwd as the data passed to the script.

Probably the best, and most used method is to require users to go to
your website first (this lets you track their session)..they may or may
not "log in" to your site, but you still know who they are uniquely.
You can then provide link(s) to your (static or generated) .m3u or .pls
directly.  If you generated the m3u file, you can include the unique ID
of the client in the links.  So your m3u file might look like:

http://mydomain.com/getFile.asp?ID=ASDF1234QWER1234&file=waynefrigginnew
ton.ogg
http://mydomain.com/getFile.asp?ID=ASDF1234QWER1234&file=britneyfriggins
pears.ogg
http://mydomain.com/getFile.asp?ID=ASDF1234QWER1234&file=frankfrigginsin
atra.ogg
http://mydomain.com/getFile.asp?ID=ASDF1234QWER1234&file=foofrigginfight
ers.ogg

Your getFile script then just tracks the client by the "ID" value and
their webserver session to determine what they are allowed to "Stream"
from your script.  If they ever just go straight to your getFile script
on your webserver but have an invalid or expired ID they get nothing.
As you can see you can get quite innovative on how you handle this and
what you choose to let your clients do.  It all depends on how much
development you want to do to handle the authorization.

This is done ALL the time on the web to restrict access to files like
images (pr0n) or pdf's that may contain sensitive data that you want to
provide on the web, but don't necessarily want anyone to be able to get
to unless they go thru the proper steps.  And it may be prohibitive to
use just the OS's file system security due to a number of reasons like:
hosted sites (it ain't your box so you can't control file security) or
you cannot dynamically generate usrs/passwords and restrict
directory/file access, etc.

The biggest hurdle (which isn't much) is to make sure your script has
read access to the unpublished directory that contains the files you
want to stream.
The downside to this approach, and the reason it isn't used more often
for simple things, is that there is a performance hit by doing the file
I/O this way, rather then just letting the webserver do it.

Hope I didn't bore you all to death with this off-topic message.

Todd

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From tposton1 at swbell.net  Mon Mar 17 21:01:52 2003
From: tposton1 at swbell.net (Todd Poston)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 15:01:52 -0600
Subject: [icecast] strange way of forwarding to another stream.
In-Reply-To: <1043854310.1120.59.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <002001c2ecc8$6f7aac40$6601a8c0@BIRDSONG>



This goes back a couple of months in the list.. But below refers to the
idea of forwarding streams.  *Is* there currently any way (with mp3 or
ogg) to force the client to a new stream??  Is the "forward directive"
referred to below in use by anything, if so what?  And how is it
implemented?

This seems like a very useful thing to be included in a spec.  And it
doesn't seem unreasonable to include it in a client, except that there
is no official spec that stream client developers use to develop against
(or is there??).  Afterall, Things like HTML Redirect's are handled by
the client.

Todd

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To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [icecast] strange way of forwarding to another stream.

<p>On Wed, 2003-01-29 at 14:54, Martin Blackwell wrote:
> Just a kinda question on a random thought I was having.
> Would it make sense, or be concievably plausible to write a plugin for

> winamp, or other Icecast2 client to read a comment in the Ogg Vorbis 
> file to automatically open a new stream when the stream/file has 
> finished playing- eg, client starts/downloads the ad stream/file for 
> the server broadcasting the stream, vorbis file contains tag along the

> lines of "FORWARD = protocol://server:port/stream.ogg", as a of adding

> advertising to the start of a stream only.

It's certainly possible, however you are placing more logic into the
client end, and there maybe many different clients. The forward
directive isn't universal AFAIK

karl.

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From ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz  Mon Mar 17 22:13:20 2003
From: ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz (Ross Levis)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:13:20 +1200
Subject: [icecast] playlist streams
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] playlist streams>
Message-ID: <84C0CDE57EDD0841880993D82051278E0A0EE8@bagheera.internal.cch.co.nz>



Thanks for the details Todd.  Much appreciated.

Regards,
Ross Levis.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] 
> On Behalf Of Todd Poston
> Sent: Tuesday, 18 March 2003 08:30
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: RE: [icecast] playlist streams
> 
> 
> Adon Irani wrote:
> ------------------
> however, if you are using the fileserve option ; you only 
> need to generate a playlist that links to these songs . 
> however, this again opens up security issues of direct access 
> to the songs ( perhaps someone else can speak about this .. 
> I'm not sure how this all works )
> ------------------
> 
> (Long: semi-detailed explanation of how to do secure 
> file-serving below
> - does not involve icecast)
> 
> It is fairly simple (and known since the beginning of CGI) to 
> restrict access to files served to the web from a webserver.  
> Webservers generally provide some built-in security that 
> usually leverages the file security of the operating system.  
> Many times, that security is not dynamic enough for an 
> application.  There are hundreds of examples (if not more), 
> to "serve" files dynamically.
> 
> Basically, if you want to go the fileserve route, all you 
> have to do is to create a script or executable (depending on 
> your choice of dev platforms, operating system and webserver) 
> that takes parameters (query string (GET), form data (POST), 
> or session variables) that tell the script which "file" 
> (read: MP3 or ogg) to send to the client.  That script can 
> perform the necessary authorization to determine if this 
> client is allowed to download/stream this file.
> 
> It's simple, even MS provides source code to do this.  The 
> way it works is you have this script that can take parameters 
> and return data (it can be perl, php, asp, cgi, whatever).  
> Let's say it is located at 
> http://localhost/getFile.asp.
> 
> You pass it the following data: 
> File=waynefrigginnewton.ogg.
> 
> getFile.asp opens the waynefrigginnewton.ogg file and sends 
> every byte it reads to the Response, and thus the client (Winamp).
> 
> The actual ogg file is located in a private directory that is 
> not accessible from the published directories of your 
> webserver.  Thus no one can actually download the file 
> directly, they must go thru your script to get it.  That will 
> at least make it a little harder for people to download your songs.
> 
> The way to take it a step further is to add authorization 
> (which may include authentication) in your script.  This can 
> be things like 1) has this client already downloaded this 
> song 2), how long has this client been connected to my server 
> (when did their session start?) 3), how many other songs has 
> this client downloaded, etc.  You could also require a 
> usr/pwd as the data passed to the script.
> 
> Probably the best, and most used method is to require users 
> to go to your website first (this lets you track their 
> session)..they may or may not "log in" to your site, but you 
> still know who they are uniquely. You can then provide 
> link(s) to your (static or generated) .m3u or .pls directly.  
> If you generated the m3u file, you can include the unique ID 
> of the client in the links.  So your m3u file might look like:
> 
http://mydomain.com/getFile.asp?ID=ASDF1234QWER1234&file=waynefrigginnew
ton.ogg
http://mydomain.com/getFile.asp?ID=ASDF1234QWER1234&file=britneyfriggins
pears.ogg
http://mydomain.com/getFile.asp?ID=ASDF1234QWER1234&file=frankfrigginsin
atra.ogg
http://mydomain.com/getFile.asp?ID=ASDF1234QWER1234&file=foofrigginfight
ers.ogg

Your getFile script then just tracks the client by the "ID" value and
their webserver session to determine what they are allowed to "Stream"
from your script.  If they ever just go straight to your getFile script
on your webserver but have an invalid or expired ID they get nothing. As
you can see you can get quite innovative on how you handle this and what
you choose to let your clients do.  It all depends on how much
development you want to do to handle the authorization.

This is done ALL the time on the web to restrict access to files like
images (pr0n) or pdf's that may contain sensitive data that you want to
provide on the web, but don't necessarily want anyone to be able to get
to unless they go thru the proper steps.  And it may be prohibitive to
use just the OS's file system security due to a number of reasons like:
hosted sites (it ain't your box so you can't control file security) or
you cannot dynamically generate usrs/passwords and restrict
directory/file access, etc.

The biggest hurdle (which isn't much) is to make sure your script has
read access to the unpublished directory that contains the files you
want to stream. The downside to this approach, and the reason it isn't
used more often for simple things, is that there is a performance hit by
doing the file I/O this way, rather then just letting the webserver do
it.

Hope I didn't bore you all to death with this off-topic message.

Todd

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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Mar 17 23:07:14 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:07:14 +1100
Subject: [icecast] strange way of forwarding to another stream.
In-Reply-To: <002001c2ecc8$6f7aac40$6601a8c0@BIRDSONG>
Message-ID: <200303181007.14920.msmith@xiph.org>



On Tuesday 18 March 2003 08:01, Todd Poston wrote:
> This goes back a couple of months in the list.. But below refers to the
> idea of forwarding streams.  *Is* there currently any way (with mp3 or
> ogg) to force the client to a new stream??  Is the "forward directive"
> referred to below in use by anything, if so what?  And how is it
> implemented?

icecast can move a client to a new stream on the same server (through the 
admin interface ).

>
> This seems like a very useful thing to be included in a spec.  And it
> doesn't seem unreasonable to include it in a client, except that there
> is no official spec that stream client developers use to develop against
> (or is there??).  Afterall, Things like HTML Redirect's are handled by
> the client.

Clients are meant to respond to HTTP (certainly NOT HTML) redirects, since 
icecast uses HTTP, but most media players don't, so icecast doesn't use this.

Mike

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From tposton1 at swbell.net  Mon Mar 17 23:38:26 2003
From: tposton1 at swbell.net (Todd Poston)
Date: Mon, 17 Mar 2003 17:38:26 -0600
Subject: [icecast] strange way of forwarding to another stream.
In-Reply-To: <200303181007.14920.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <002101c2ecde$50b529a0$6601a8c0@BIRDSONG>



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf
Of Michael Smith

>>
>> This seems like a very useful thing to be included in a spec.  And it

>> doesn't seem unreasonable to include it in a client, except that
there 
>> is no official spec that stream client developers use to develop 
>> against (or is there??).  Afterall, Things like HTML Redirect's are 
>> handled by the client.
>
>Clients are meant to respond to HTTP (certainly NOT HTML) redirects,
since
>icecast uses HTTP, but most media players don't, so icecast doesn't use
this.
>
>Mike

<homer>D'oh!</homer>.. Can't believe I made such a (now-glaring)
mis-type.. Yes indeed I did mean HTTP redirects and NOT HTML (silly
me!).  I haven't done a lot of testing to see what is and isn't
supported along these lines with the different clients out there, but
FWIW I thought that Winamp (2.x) did support it (but this is going far
back in my memory cells now clouded with too much beer).

When you say that "most media players don't [use this]" I assume you are
refering to the support of HTTP redirects?  And so when you "move"
another client to a new stream, you just grab the bytes from a different
source-stream in icecast and send them down the existing pipe to the
client - rather then sending a redirect causing the client to negotiate
a new request?

Just wanted to be specific for clarification purposes :)
Thanks.

Todd

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Mon Mar 17 23:57:34 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 09:57:34 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] strange way of forwarding to another stream.
In-Reply-To: <002101c2ecde$50b529a0$6601a8c0@BIRDSONG>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303180956320.1007-100000@data.home>



Hi:

If you want to play 1 stream then play another, surely it's enough to
simply place 2 items in the playlist file that you send to the client.  It
works and it's supported.

Geoff.

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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au  Tue Mar 18 00:30:25 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:30:25 +1100
Subject: [icecast] strange way of forwarding to another stream.
In-Reply-To: <002101c2ecde$50b529a0$6601a8c0@BIRDSONG>
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> When you say that "most media players don't [use this]" I assume you are
> refering to the support of HTTP redirects?  And so when you "move"
> another client to a new stream, you just grab the bytes from a different
> source-stream in icecast and send them down the existing pipe to the
> client - rather then sending a redirect causing the client to negotiate
> a new request?

<p>Yes, that's what I meant (on a second reading, it wasn't very clear. Sorry).

For the case of moving a client _after_ initial connection, you can't use HTTP
redirects even for those clients that do support them correctly, so this sort
of mechanism (internally moving them from one source to another) is neccesary
either way.

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From spankylucas at hotmail.com  Tue Mar 18 07:47:13 2003
From: spankylucas at hotmail.com (Lucas Smith)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 07:47:13 +0000
Subject: [icecast] ice2 autogen.sh problems
Message-ID: <BAY1-F8Ijn04x29xDbH00004f9b@hotmail.com>



i have been playing around trying to get ice2 to work now for quite some
time and frankly i am a bit frustrated by now... the anoying thing is how
early in the whole proccess my problems actually start!

running ./autogen.sh in the newest cvs version of ice2 results in

<p>idoru:/usr/src/ices# ./autogen.sh
I am going to run ./configure with no arguments - if you wish
to pass any to it, please specify them on the ./autogen.sh command line.
Generating configuration files for ices, please wait....
  aclocal
aclocal: m4/ogg.m4: 8: duplicated macro `AM_PATH_OGG'
aclocal: m4/vorbis.m4: 8: duplicated macro `AM_PATH_VORBIS'
  libtoolize --automake
  automake --add-missing
  autoconf
configure.in:5: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE
configure.in:8: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PROG_LIBTOOL
configure.in:53: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_CONDITIONAL
configure.in:114: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_OGG
configure.in:118: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_VORBIS
configure.in:128: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_SHOUT
./configure: line 1186: syntax error near unexpected token
`AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(ices,2.0)'
./configure: line 1186: `AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(ices,2.0)'

the ogg, libshout, and vorbis modules do autogen, and compile correctly.
but vorbis-tools do not. here ./autogen gives me

idoru:/usr/src/cvs/vorbis-tools# ./autogen.sh
I am going to run ./configure with no arguments - if you wish
to pass any to it, please specify them on the ./autogen.sh command line.
Generating configuration files for vorbis-tools, please wait....
  aclocal
aclocal: configure.in: 0: macro `AM_PATH_PROG_WITH_TEST' not found in
library
aclocal: configure.in: 0: macro `AM_PATH_PROG_WITH_TEST' not found in
library
aclocal: configure.in: 0: macro `AM_PATH_PROG_WITH_TEST' not found in
library
aclocal: configure.in: 0: macro `AM_LC_MESSAGES' not found in library
  libtoolize --automake
  automake --add-missing
Makefile.am:26: po/da.po exists but `da' not in `ALL_LINGUAS'
Makefile.am:26: po/es.po exists but `es' not in `ALL_LINGUAS'
Makefile.am:26: po/hr.po exists but `hr' not in `ALL_LINGUAS'
Makefile.am:26: po/hu.po exists but `hu' not in `ALL_LINGUAS'
Makefile.am:26: po/ru.po exists but `ru' not in `ALL_LINGUAS'
  autoconf
configure.in:12: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE
configure.in:24: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PROG_LIBTOOL
configure.in:27: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_GNU_GETTEXT
configure.in:120: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_PATH_CURL
configure.in:150: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_CONDITIONAL
configure.in:183: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_ICONV
configure.in:185: error: possibly undefined macro: AM_LANGINFO_CODESET
./configure: line 1165: syntax error near unexpected token
`AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(vorbis-tools,1.0)'
./configure: line 1165: `AM_INIT_AUTOMAKE(vorbis-tools,1.0)'

<p>i managed to compile and install ices-0.2.3 from the source tarball but
this is quite an old version and doesnot support ogg which is the whole
point for me.

i am running linux 2.4.20, debian woody, and have been following the
instruction of Pierre Amadio at http://melmoth.dyndns.org/stream/doc/
quite carefully.

one last problem though i am not sure wether i itreally matters is that
the command

cvs -z3 co log thread net timing

hangs with:

cvs server: Updating timing

i saw some other posts mentioning this in a forum... anyway :-(
i hope someone has an idea whats going on here and could give me some
hints.

cheers
optix

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From msmith at xiph.org  Tue Mar 18 08:07:03 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 19:07:03 +1100
Subject: [icecast] ice2 autogen.sh problems
In-Reply-To: <BAY1-F8Ijn04x29xDbH00004f9b@hotmail.com>
Message-ID: <200303181907.03613.msmith@xiph.org>



On Tuesday 18 March 2003 18:47, Lucas Smith wrote:
> i have been playing around trying to get ice2 to work now for quite some
> time and frankly i am a bit frustrated by now... the anoying thing is how
> early in the whole proccess my problems actually start!
>
> running ./autogen.sh in the newest cvs version of ice2 results in

You probably need a newer version of automake and/or autoconf. 

>
> one last problem though i am not sure wether i itreally matters is that
> the command
>
> cvs -z3 co log thread net timing
>
> hangs with:
>
> cvs server: Updating timing
>
> i saw some other posts mentioning this in a forum... anyway :-(
> i hope someone has an idea whats going on here and could give me some
> hints.

Your cvs client is old and buggy. Either upgrade, or don't use -z
This won't have caused any problems with ices or icecast, though.

You should not be checking out the log/thread etc. modules directly anyway 
(they're checked out automatically by cvs along with the main application)

Mike

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From iceuse at kezako.net  Tue Mar 18 10:29:39 2003
From: iceuse at kezako.net (iceuse at kezako.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 11:29:39 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Stream with Ices2 sound very metallic
In-Reply-To: <E18urbE-0002b0-00@Zantos>
Message-ID: <E18vELj-0004GZ-00@Zantos>



Hi all,
in fact, I found that this feature is not implemented yet...

the vorbis setup returns : 
OV_EIMPL        The bitstream makes use of a feature not implemented in this 

<p>But, is it possible for the ices developpers to change encode.c:encode_initialise
to display the vorbis return code?
        int ret = vorbis_encode_setup_managed(&s->vi, channels, rate,
                            max_br>0?max_br:-1, nom_br, min_br>0?min_br:-1);

        if (ret) {
            LOG_ERROR6("Failed to configure managed encoding for "
                    "%d channel(s), at %d Hz, with bitrates %d max %d "
                    "nominal, %d min. Error code=%d", channels, rate, max_br, nom_br, min_br,ret);
            vorbis_info_clear(&s->vi);
            free(s);
            return NULL;
        }
    } else
    {
        int ret = vorbis_encode_setup_vbr(&s->vi, channels, rate, quality*0.1);

        if (ret) {
            LOG_ERROR4("Failed to configure VBR encoding for %d channel(s), "
                    "at %d Hz, quality level %f. Error code=%d", channels, rate, quality,ret);

<p><p>It is helpfull. Then we may just need to add a function in vorbis to display the error message
corresponding to the error code.
Perhaps I can do it, but I don't see how to apply as a developper.

Chris
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From msmith at xiph.org  Tue Mar 18 11:36:42 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:36:42 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Stream with Ices2 sound very metallic
In-Reply-To: <E18vELj-0004GZ-00@Zantos>
Message-ID: <200303182236.42020.msmith@xiph.org>



On Tuesday 18 March 2003 21:29, iceuse at kezako.net wrote:
> Hi all,
> in fact, I found that this feature is not implemented yet...

What feature? This return value just means that the bitrate(s) or quality 
level you asked for is not supported at this sample rate/number of channels. 

Right now, none of those setup functions will ever return anything other than 
success or OV_EIMPL, so your proposed patch doesn't actually help (and also 
it wouldn't even compile, had you thought to test it).

>
> It is helpfull. Then we may just need to add a function in vorbis to
> display the error message corresponding to the error code.
> Perhaps I can do it, but I don't see how to apply as a developper.

There's no 'application process' to become a developer - you just contribute 
changes/improvements/fixes, and we incorporate them. If you do so enough, 
you'll generally be invited to become a core member of the development team.

Mike

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From VANCOD at PIOS.com  Tue Mar 18 15:03:31 2003
From: VANCOD at PIOS.com (Vanco, Donald)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:03:31 -0500
Subject: [icecast] All I want to do is stream...
Message-ID: <454226824160D3118F9D00508B08F15A0C1679F3@piouspkldmail.pios.com>



Hi All -
        First post, and something of an audio newbie, so please be gentle.
I'm cross-posting this to both icecast and vorbis, albeit in separate
emails.

        I'll try to give as much detail as possible so this might get a bit
wordy.

        I've been trying to get a live stream running for a local college
radio station.  It's currently up on a Slackware system - but not at all the
way I want. (http://www.wcsb.org)

        I'm building them a brand new server.  If required, the old server
can be tasked for other functions to support streaming.
        
What I'm trying to get to:
        - the ability to stream in multiple "qualities" (i.e. low and high
bandwidth) 
        - preferably in multiple file formats (ogg and mp3)
        - the ability to capture portions of the stream from either client
or server side

        Currently - shoutcast is working to keep the stream on the air.

The hardware:
P-III 800, 512MB RAM, ample disk drive space.  As an FYI the system has
on-board audio via Intel 815 chipset - the motherboard is, in fact, Genuine
Intel (http://support.intel.com/support/motherboards/desktop/D815EEA/).

Telos Audio Active encoder
http://www.audioactive.com/products/realtime_enc/rte_ovw.html

<p>OS is (fully patched) Red Hat 8.0

<p>Background:
        I have 2 Telos units - an "older" model that only connects to the
server via high-speed serial, and a newer version that's made for streaming
via a network connection.  Actually, I have two of the newer units at my
disposal.  
        Telos does not support Linux.  At all.
        
        If there's additional software I need to run to "split" this stream
to provide multiple data rates that's fine, I just need to know what that
might be.
        
        The older Telos box worked fine - there was an experimental streamer
(binary) from Telos that worked, but it only has the ability to pull from a
serial device - it has no concept of the network streaming.  I cannot use
this older Telos box because the server and the streamer are no longer
physically close to one another - to facilitate greater Internet bandwidth
the stream server was moved into a wiring closet elsewhere.  The stream(s)
/has/ to come via the network connected Telos system(s).

        Initially, I tried to use icecast (icecast-1.3.12).  The set-up was
no problem, but it could not authenticate to the Telos system when trying to
add it as a relay - here's what I saw:
[110:Connection Handler] Kicking source 107 [192.168.200.200] [Error in
request, relay refused entrance] [relay], connected for 0 seconds, 0 bytes
transferred. -1 sources connected
[29/Oct/2002:23:27:50] [110:Connection Handler] Kicking all 0 clients for
source 107
[29/Oct/2002:23:27:50] [110:Connection Handler] On demand relay for
[www.wcsb.org:8000/wcsb] -> [192.168.200.200:1024/] failed, damn!
        
        I also looked at options with the soundcard and LAME and half a
dozen other open source projects - all of which proved to either not give me
what I need, or were far to complicated for my pea brain to get into service
correctly.

        ....at which point someone from Telos told me that Shoutcast was
working and to go that route.  Which I reluctantly did.  It was as simple as
adding this to the conf file:
RelayPort=8100
RelayServer=192.168.200.200
        ...and of course have the Telos system set to "send" to port 8100

        So - I hope that's enough information to get a little help.  I
really don't care what I use on the front end as long as it can talk to a
socket for the source stream.  I am hoping that you folks will be able /
willing to guide me through this, in lurking for the last few days it seems
like there's some great minds at work here.

        I'd be more than happy to cull the archives if someone can just give
me some threads or search terms to look over (aside from "clueless newbie")
- there's a lot of info here to start paging through blindly.

        Further - if any of you are in the "college radio biz" (or similar)
and have done some cool things to add functionality for the staff I'd love
to hear it.  I'm not a student, I'm an alumnus just giving my time (and the
server) as a donation.

Thanx
Don
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From gcorey at blackoakassociates.com  Tue Mar 18 15:46:48 2003
From: gcorey at blackoakassociates.com (gcorey at blackoakassociates.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:46:48 -0500
Subject: [icecast] client disconnects after one song is played
Message-ID: <200303181546.ACS53361@ms3.verisignmail.com>



I'm using the latest CVS source under Linux using a playlist
of ogg files.  When I use a client to connect on the same
machine, there is not any disconnect (xmms and zinf).   When
using a client on a Windows machine, I get mixed results.  
Zinf on windows will play thru the current song but then stops
when the song is finished and does not play the next song
being streamed (see log below).    Winamp on windows will not
play at all.   On my iMac, I am using AudioOn and it behaves
the same way as Zinf on Winblows (playing the current song and
then disconnects).    Both the Windows box and the iMac box on
a 100BaseT ethernet LAN.

I guess I have 3 questions
1) Why is the player disconnecting after the current song?
2) Why won't Winamp on Winblows play at all?
3) Why does Zinf on the same machine at the streamer play
correctly?

[2003-03-17  23:32:01] DBUG source/source_main Client added
[2003-03-17  23:36:31] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:32] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:32] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:32] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:33] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:33] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:33] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:33] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:34] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:34] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:34] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:35] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:35] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:35] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:35] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:36] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:36] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:36] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:36] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:37] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:37] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:37] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:38] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:38] DBUG
format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
recoverable error -1
[2003-03-17  23:36:38] DBUG source/source_main Client has
fallen too far behind, removing
[2003-03-17  23:36:38] DBUG source/source_main Client removed
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From boink at tetter.xs4all.nl  Tue Mar 18 16:39:06 2003
From: boink at tetter.xs4all.nl (boink)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 17:39:06 +0100
Subject: [icecast] client disconnects after one song is played || Winamp
In-Reply-To: <200303181546.ACS53361@ms3.verisignmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030318163906.GA22957@tetter.xs4all.nl>



hello,

which version of Winamp are you using? I've found that Winamp 3 is
useless with ogg. If you want to use Winamp with ogg, Winamp 2.8 works
fairly well. 

Foobar2000 I've found to work very well also. The good news is that
Nullsoft does want to improve this problem.

boink

On Tue, Mar 18, 2003 at 10:46:48AM -0500, gcorey at blackoakassociates.com wrote:
> I'm using the latest CVS source under Linux using a playlist
> of ogg files.  When I use a client to connect on the same
> machine, there is not any disconnect (xmms and zinf).   When
> using a client on a Windows machine, I get mixed results.  
> Zinf on windows will play thru the current song but then stops
> when the song is finished and does not play the next song
> being streamed (see log below).    Winamp on windows will not
> play at all.   On my iMac, I am using AudioOn and it behaves
> the same way as Zinf on Winblows (playing the current song and
> then disconnects).    Both the Windows box and the iMac box on
> a 100BaseT ethernet LAN.
> 
> I guess I have 3 questions
> 1) Why is the player disconnecting after the current song?
> 2) Why won't Winamp on Winblows play at all?
> 3) Why does Zinf on the same machine at the streamer play
> correctly?
> 
> [2003-03-17  23:32:01] DBUG source/source_main Client added
> [2003-03-17  23:36:31] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:32] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:32] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:32] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:33] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:33] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:33] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:33] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:34] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:34] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:34] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:35] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:35] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:35] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:35] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:36] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:36] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:36] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:36] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:37] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:37] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:37] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:38] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:38] DBUG
> format/format_generic_write_buf_to_client Client had
> recoverable error -1
> [2003-03-17  23:36:38] DBUG source/source_main Client has
> fallen too far behind, removing
> [2003-03-17  23:36:38] DBUG source/source_main Client removed
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From gcorey at blackoakassociates.com  Tue Mar 18 19:34:58 2003
From: gcorey at blackoakassociates.com (gcorey at blackoakassociates.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 14:34:58 -0500
Subject: [icecast] client disconnects after one song is played || Winamp
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I will give the older version of winamp a try.  Interestingly
enough, I found that zinf on linux on the internet does work.
  I wonder if these other clients on mac and winblows use an
out dated version of vorbis.
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From bazin.nicolas at club-internet.fr  Tue Mar 18 21:40:51 2003
From: bazin.nicolas at club-internet.fr (Nicolas Bazin)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 22:40:51 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Need help with crontab
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Hello, I'm trying to put a crontab on Ices, but it seems I can't do
it, here is the script I tried to use :

#!/bin/sh
process=`ps axuw | grep ices | grep -v grep`
if [ -z "$process"]
then
cd /home/Darkmeteor/bin
nohup /home/Darkmeteor/bin/ices /home/Darkmeteor/bin/ices-playlist.xml > /dev/null 2> start &
echo "loaded!"
else
echo "already running!"
fi

if I run this file from the shell, it works, but if it's run by
crontab, ices isn't loaded. Anyone can help me please ?

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From jasond at themodifiers.com  Wed Mar 19 02:32:53 2003
From: jasond at themodifiers.com (Jason DeGeorge)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 18:32:53 -0800
Subject: [icecast] problem with make
In-Reply-To: <E18urbE-0002b0-00@Zantos>
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i am trying to build icecast2 from cvs and make seems to be broken. 
it seems to be autogen'ing instead of making. I checked the code out 
tonight. 
 
I am running  
RH7.3  
make 3.79.1 
autoconf 2.5.3 
 
and I have been able to compile in the past but not on this machine. 
If anyone has any suggestions I would appreciate it. 
 
Thanks, 
 
jason   
 
[root at localhost icecast]# ./configure 
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c 
checking whether build environment is sane... yes 
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes 
checking for working aclocal... found 
checking for working autoconf... found 
checking for working automake... found 
checking for working autoheader... found 
checking for working makeinfo... found 
checking for gcc... gcc 
checking for C compiler default output... a.out 
checking whether the C compiler works... yes 
checking whether we are cross compiling... no 
checking for suffix of executables... 
checking for suffix of object files... o 
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes 
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes 
checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu 
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu 
checking for ld used by GCC... /usr/bin/ld 
checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes 
checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r 
checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/nm -B 
checking whether ln -s works... yes 
checking how to recognise dependant libraries... pass_all 
checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output... ok 
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E 
checking for ANSI C header files... yes 
checking for sys/types.h... yes 
checking for sys/stat.h... yes 
checking for stdlib.h... yes 
checking for string.h... yes 
checking for memory.h... yes 
checking for strings.h... yes 
checking for inttypes.h... yes 
checking for stdint.h... yes 
checking for unistd.h... yes 
checking dlfcn.h usability... yes 
checking dlfcn.h presence... yes 
checking for dlfcn.h... yes 
checking for ranlib... ranlib 
checking for strip... strip 
checking for objdir... .libs 
checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC 
checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes 
checking if gcc static flag -static works... yes 
checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes 
checking if gcc supports -c -o file.lo... yes 
checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... yes 
checking whether the linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... 
yes 
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate 
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes 
checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so 
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes 
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes 
checking whether to build static libraries... yes 
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no 
creating libtool 
checking for library containing inet_pton... none required 
checking for library containing getipnodebyname... no 
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes 
checking for stdint.h... (cached) yes 
checking pwd.h usability... yes 
checking pwd.h presence... yes 
checking for pwd.h... yes 
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes 
checking sys/uio.h usability... yes 
checking sys/uio.h presence... yes 
checking for sys/uio.h... yes 
checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed 
checking for an ANSI C-conforming const... yes 
checking for socklen_t... yes 
checking for nanosleep... yes 
checking for poll... yes 
checking for sethostent... yes 
checking for endhostent... yes 
checking for getnameinfo... yes 
checking for getaddrinfo... yes 
checking for inet_pton... yes 
checking for xslt-config... xslt-config 
checking for xsltParseStylesheetFile... yes 
checking for xml2-config... xml2-config 
checking for xmlParseFile... yes 
checking for Ogg... yes 
checking for Vorbis... yes 
checking for libcurl... yes 
checking pthread.h usability... yes 
checking pthread.h presence... yes 
checking for pthread.h... yes 
checking for the pthreads library -lpthreads... no 
checking whether pthreads work without any flags... yes 
checking for joinable pthread attribute... PTHREAD_CREATE_JOINABLE 
checking if more special flags are required for pthreads... no 
checking for pthread_rwlock_t... yes 
checking for cc_r... gcc 
configure: creating ./config.status 
config.status: creating Makefile 
config.status: creating conf/Makefile 
config.status: creating src/Makefile 
config.status: creating src/avl/Makefile 
config.status: creating src/httpp/Makefile 
config.status: creating src/thread/Makefile 
config.status: creating src/log/Makefile 
config.status: creating src/net/Makefile 
config.status: creating src/timing/Makefile 
config.status: creating doc/Makefile 
config.status: creating web/Makefile 
config.status: creating win32/Makefile 
config.status: creating win32/res/Makefile 
 
 
 make output below  
 
 
 
 
 
[root at localhost icecast]# make 
make: *** Warning: File `configure.in' has modification time in the 
future (2003-03-17 20:40:40 > 2003-03-11 01:20:43) 
cd . && aclocal 
cd . && automake --foreign Makefile 
cd . && autoconf 
/bin/sh ./config.status --recheck 
running /bin/sh ./configure   --no-create --no-recursion 
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c 
checking whether build environment is sane... yes 
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes 
checking for working aclocal... found 
checking for working autoconf... found 
checking for working automake... found 
checking for working autoheader... found 
checking for working makeinfo... found 
checking for gcc... gcc 
checking for C compiler default output... a.out 
checking whether the C compiler works... yes 
checking whether we are cross compiling... no 
checking for suffix of executables... 
checking for suffix of object files... o 
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes 
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes 
checking build system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu 
checking host system type... i686-pc-linux-gnu 
checking for ld used by GCC... /usr/bin/ld 
checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... yes 
checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r 
checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/nm -B 
checking whether ln -s works... yes 
checking how to recognise dependant libraries... pass_all 
checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output... ok 
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E 
checking for ANSI C header files... yes 
checking for sys/types.h... yes 
checking for sys/stat.h... yes 
checking for stdlib.h... yes 
checking for string.h... yes 
checking for memory.h... yes 
checking for strings.h... yes 
checking for inttypes.h... yes 
checking for stdint.h... yes 
checking for unistd.h... yes 
checking dlfcn.h usability... yes 
checking dlfcn.h presence... yes 
checking for dlfcn.h... yes 
checking for ranlib... ranlib 
checking for strip... strip 
checking for objdir... .libs 
checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC 
checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes 
checking if gcc static flag -static works... yes 
checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes 
checking if gcc supports -c -o file.lo... yes 
checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... yes 
checking whether the linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... 
yes 
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate 
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... yes 
checking dynamic linker characteristics... GNU/Linux ld.so 
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes 
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes 
checking whether to build static libraries... yes 
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... no 
creating libtool 
checking for library containing inet_pton... none required 
checking for library containing getipnodebyname... no 
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes 
checking for stdint.h... (cached) yes 
checking pwd.h usability... yes 
checking pwd.h presence... yes 
checking for pwd.h... yes 
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes 
checking sys/uio.h usability... yes 
checking sys/uio.h presence... yes 
checking for sys/uio.h... yes 
checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed 
checking for an ANSI C-conforming const... yes 
checking for socklen_t... yes 
checking for nanosleep... yes 
checking for poll... yes 
checking for sethostent... yes 
checking for endhostent... yes 
checking for getnameinfo... yes 
checking for getaddrinfo... yes 
checking for inet_pton... yes 
checking for xslt-config... xslt-config 
checking for xsltParseStylesheetFile... yes 
checking for xml2-config... xml2-config 
checking for xmlParseFile... yes 
checking for Ogg... yes 
checking for Vorbis... yes 
checking for libcurl... yes 
checking pthread.h usability... yes 
checking pthread.h presence... yes 
checking for pthread.h... yes 
checking for the pthreads library -lpthreads... no 
checking whether pthreads work without any flags... yes 
checking for joinable pthread attribute... PTHREAD_CREATE_JOINABLE 
checking if more special flags are required for pthreads... no 
checking for pthread_rwlock_t... yes 
checking for cc_r... gcc 
configure: creating ./config.status 
 
**the problem seems to be here** 
 
cd . \ 
  && CONFIG_FILES=Makefile CONFIG_HEADERS= /bin/sh ./config.status 
config.status: creating Makefile 
make: *** Warning: File `configure.in' has modification time in the 
future (2003-03-17 20:40:40 > 2003-03-11 01:20:58) 
cd . && aclocal 
cd . && automake --foreign Makefile 
cd . && autoconf 
/bin/sh ./config.status --recheck 
running /bin/sh ./configure   --no-create --no-recursion 
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c 
checking whether build environment is sane... cmake: *** 
[config.status] Error 1 
 
 
 
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From shawnmferris at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 19 04:01:08 2003
From: shawnmferris at yahoo.com (Shawn M Ferris)
Date: 18 Mar 2003 21:01:08 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Thanks for the help.. and a request for more 8)
Message-ID: <1048046468.32290.40.camel@Dolly.VirtualSMF.net>



A couple weeks ago, I sent an email requesting help to get icecast2 to
stream mp3.. I had an incorrect version of ices, and the wrong protocol
set. DOH! 8)

Anyway.. I wanted to say thanks for the help.. and to once again solicit
more.. (Theres always more ;)

Well.. the last round, I set the protocol between ices/icecast correctly
and everything was running beautiful! (That was at 2, or 3 in the
morning) Well, that same morning, some hours later, I woke up and my 
hard drive crashed. I'd spent 3-4 days rebuilding the machine to get it
to that point. *SIGH*

So.. I spent the next 3-4 days getting it to that point again, with a
new hard drive. Everything went well.. Up to the point where I ran ice
for a couple hours again.. Guess what.. It appeared that the hard drive
crashed again. The new one, different controller, etc.

After running a week w/o icecast running and without another crash, I'm
guessing that icecast is triggering the problem.. I've got a sneaking
hunch that it's a combination of two or more of: icecast, ext3 and
firewire. (The hard drive is firewire temporarily while I restructure
disks)

I'm gonna restructure things to eliminate one thing at a time.. but
thought I'd throw out the situation to see if anyone has had a similar
experience.

(BTW.. This machine is an unpatched 2.4.20 Linux kernel.. Redhat 8.0)

Anyone?

Thanks again for all the help! and for the product! 8)

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From karelium at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 19 04:32:02 2003
From: karelium at yahoo.com (Karel Alvarez)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:32:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] client disconnects after one song is played || Winamp
In-Reply-To: <200303181934.ACS98421@ms3.verisignmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030319043202.87129.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>



hello,
I am subscribed to icecast list but I don't know who to post questions.

How can I do that?

<p>         Karel

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From karelium at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 19 04:32:31 2003
From: karelium at yahoo.com (Karel Alvarez)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:32:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] client disconnects after one song is played || Winamp
In-Reply-To: <200303181934.ACS98421@ms3.verisignmail.com>
Message-ID: <20030319043231.66308.qmail@web11905.mail.yahoo.com>



hello,
I am subscribed to icecast list but I don't know who to post questions.

How can I do that?

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From karelium at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 19 05:08:08 2003
From: karelium at yahoo.com (Karel Alvarez)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 21:08:08 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 password bug?
Message-ID: <20030319050808.86599.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com>



Hello people,

I'm trying the Icecast2 for win32 (release 02-26-2003).

Currently my (mp3/ogg) source data for the server is a winamp running
the oddcast plugin.

I can't connect to icecast2 server using odd_cast plugin. Actually it
connects ok, but just after winamp start to play, it is disconnected
from server. 

The server log say: attempted to login with invalid or missing password

So, I began to change passwords, usernames, etc.

I have this icecast2 configuration:

<mount>
  <mount-name>/Test.ogg</mount-name>
  <username></username>
  <password>anypassword</password>
</mount>

Guess what! Icecast2 server now get crashed as soon as I start to send
data to him!

Now I'm very confused, I don't know what to do!

Please, help meeee...
      Karel

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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Wed Mar 19 05:25:39 2003
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 06:25:39 +0100
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 password bug?
In-Reply-To: <20030319050808.86599.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3E77FF53.ED74BC1E@gmx.net>



Karel Alvarez wrote:
> I can't connect to icecast2 server using odd_cast plugin. Actually it
> connects ok, but just after winamp start to play, it is disconnected
> from server.
> 
> The server log say: attempted to login with invalid or missing password

Have you set Oddcast DSP to use "Icecast 2" login, and not only
"Icecast"?

<p>Moritz
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From ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz  Wed Mar 19 05:28:02 2003
From: ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz (Ross Levis)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 17:28:02 +1200
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 password bug?
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] icecast2 password bug?>
Message-ID: <84C0CDE57EDD0841880993D82051278E0A0EFF@bagheera.internal.cch.co.nz>



There is a recent thread on the Oddcast forum regarding this problem.
Checkout the last message.

http://www.oddsock.org/openbb/read.php?TID=928

I had the same problem the other day when testing IceCast2 for the first
time.  I haven't had a chance to test the solution so perhaps you can
let me know if it solves the problem.

Regards,
Ross Levis.

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] 
> On Behalf Of Karel Alvarez
> Sent: Wednesday, 19 March 2003 17:08
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: [icecast] icecast2 password bug?
> 
> 
> Hello people,
> 
> I'm trying the Icecast2 for win32 (release 02-26-2003).
> 
> Currently my (mp3/ogg) source data for the server is a winamp 
> running the oddcast plugin.
> 
> I can't connect to icecast2 server using odd_cast plugin. 
> Actually it connects ok, but just after winamp start to play, 
> it is disconnected from server. 
> 
> The server log say: attempted to login with invalid or 
> missing password
> 
> So, I began to change passwords, usernames, etc.
> 
> I have this icecast2 configuration:
> 
> <mount>
>   <mount-name>/Test.ogg</mount-name>
>   <username></username>
>   <password>anypassword</password>
> </mount>
> 
> Guess what! Icecast2 server now get crashed as soon as I 
> start to send data to him!
> 
> Now I'm very confused, I don't know what to do!
> 
> Please, help meeee...
>       Karel
> 
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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Wed Mar 19 05:43:56 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:43:56 -0600
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 password bug?
In-Reply-To: <20030319050808.86599.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030318233243.0307ec00@www.oddsock.org>



there is quite a bit of confusion regarding this bit....

as of a few weeks ago, new funtionality was added to icecast2 to support 
mountpoint-level authentication.  This means that you can now configure 
icecast2 to have a different encoder username and password for each 
mountpoint that you specify in your config file.  These options are 
optional however, most people probably don't need any mountpoint-level 
authentication, just server-level authentication.

erver-level source configuration is set using the following :

     <authentication>
         <!-- Sources log in with username 'source' -->
         <source-password>hackme</source-password>
     </authentication>

o, try removing your <mount> section(s) of your xml config and put the 
password you define as "source-password" in oddcast.  Also, make sure you 
have selected icecast2 as a server type in oddcast.

it's also worth noting, that the source login protocol with icecast2 has 
gone over some major overhauls, and I've kept up to date with these 
changes, but you need to make sure you are running the latest version of 
each of the plugins (whichever one you use)....The lastest oddcast winamp2 
plugin works with the latest icecast2 win32 binary on my site.  Similarly, 
the latest oddcast v2 (next gen oddcast) winamp3, foobar2000, and xmms 
plugin also work with the latest icecast2 win32 binary.

also, none of the oddcast plugins currently support sending a source 
username other than "source", so if you want to use a mount-level source 
user/password, make sure you specify "source" as the user, otherwise it 
won't connect.

oddsock
At 09:08 PM 3/18/2003 -0800, you wrote:
>Hello people,
>
>I'm trying the Icecast2 for win32 (release 02-26-2003).
>
>Currently my (mp3/ogg) source data for the server is a winamp running
>the oddcast plugin.
>
>I can't connect to icecast2 server using odd_cast plugin. Actually it
>connects ok, but just after winamp start to play, it is disconnected
>from server.
>
>The server log say: attempted to login with invalid or missing password
>
>So, I began to change passwords, usernames, etc.
>
>I have this icecast2 configuration:
>
><mount>
>   <mount-name>/Test.ogg</mount-name>
>   <username></username>
>   <password>anypassword</password>
></mount>
>
>Guess what! Icecast2 server now get crashed as soon as I start to send
>data to him!
>
>Now I'm very confused, I don't know what to do!
>
>Please, help meeee...
>       Karel
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From karelium at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 19 08:16:53 2003
From: karelium at yahoo.com (Karel Alvarez)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 00:16:53 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 password bug?
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030318233243.0307ec00@www.oddsock.org>
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Thanx to you, my friend!

2:59am - Finally my oddcast get connected with icecast2!

Your solution worked ok.
I set <mount-username> "source" and password the same as in
<authentication><source-password>

But...came to life another little problem:

When I say to oddcast plugin that send mp3 data instead ogg, it seems
to work ok but winamp clients are not able to listen it !! Now they
can't connect to the server. what can I do now?

<p>Ah! BTW, Still the icecast2 crashs if I set an empty username like
this:
<mount>
  <username></username>
  <password>xxxxx</password>
</mount>

    chao,
        Karel

--- oddsock <oddsock at oddsock.org> wrote:
> there is quite a bit of confusion regarding this bit....
> 
> password you define as "source-password" in oddcast.  Also, make sure
> you 
> have selected icecast2 as a server type in oddcast.
> ......
> also, none of the oddcast plugins currently support sending a source 
> username other than "source", so if you want to use a mount-level
> source 
> user/password, make sure you specify "source" as the user, otherwise
> it 
> won't connect.
> 
> oddsock

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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar 19 09:41:35 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 20:41:35 +1100
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 password bug?
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> Ah! BTW, Still the icecast2 crashs if I set an empty username like
> this:
> <mount>
>   <username></username>
>   <password>xxxxx</password>
> </mount>

I've looked into this - twice now, since this is the second report of this 
I've heard. I can't get it to happen, maybe it's a bug in the win32 version 
you're using? Or an old bug - can you try current cvs?

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From darkeye at tyrell.hu  Wed Mar 19 10:42:50 2003
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:42:50 +0100
Subject: [icecast] binding to network interfaces
Message-ID: <3E7849AA.5090700@tyrell.hu>



Hi,

I have the following setup:

a server with three network interfaces:

eth0
eth0:1
eth1

an encoder machine, connected through eth1
a web server bound to eth0

what I want is that icecast2 would get the stream from eth1, and would 
accept client connections on eth0:1, but _not_ on eth0. this way I could 
stream on port 80 (with the web server bound to eth0 port 80, icecast 
bound to eth0:1 port 80).

is this possible?

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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar 19 11:44:22 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 22:44:22 +1100
Subject: [icecast] binding to network interfaces
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On Wednesday 19 March 2003 21:42, Akos Maroy wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have the following setup:
>
> a server with three network interfaces:
>
> eth0
> eth0:1
> eth1
>
> an encoder machine, connected through eth1
> a web server bound to eth0
>
> what I want is that icecast2 would get the stream from eth1, and would
> accept client connections on eth0:1, but _not_ on eth0. this way I could
> stream on port 80 (with the web server bound to eth0 port 80, icecast
> bound to eth0:1 port 80).
>
> is this possible?

Yes.

Mike

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From darkeye at tyrell.hu  Wed Mar 19 11:55:26 2003
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:55:26 +0100
Subject: [icecast] binding to network interfaces
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Michael Smith wrote:
> Yes.

how? :)

if I try multiple bind-address tags in the config file, it only binds to 
the first address.

can you give hints or provide a config file sample?

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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar 19 12:11:59 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 23:11:59 +1100
Subject: [icecast] binding to network interfaces
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On Wednesday 19 March 2003 22:55, Akos Maroy wrote:
> Michael Smith wrote:
> > Yes.
>
> how? :)
>
> if I try multiple bind-address tags in the config file, it only binds to
> the first address.
>
> can you give hints or provide a config file sample?
>

<listen-socket>
  <port>80 (or other)</port>
  <bind-address>whatever, eth1</bind-address>
</listen-socket>
<listen-socket>
  <port>80</port>
  <bind-address>as appropriate for eth0:1</bind-address>
</listen-socket>

You need a recent cvs copy for this feature to work (if the config file in 
your copy doesn't have an example with <listen-socket>, yours is too old).

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From darkeye at tyrell.hu  Wed Mar 19 12:17:44 2003
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 13:17:44 +0100
Subject: [icecast] binding to network interfaces
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Michael Smith wrote:
> You need a recent cvs copy for this feature to work (if the config file in 
> your copy doesn't have an example with <listen-socket>, yours is too old).

thanks. I'll give it a try as soon as I get autoconf 2.53 on that 
particular machine...

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From bazin.nicolas at club-internet.fr  Wed Mar 19 13:43:31 2003
From: bazin.nicolas at club-internet.fr (Nicolas Bazin)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 14:43:31 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Need help with crontab
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NB> Hello, I'm trying to put a crontab on Ices, but it seems I can't do
NB> it, here is the script I tried to use :

NB> #!/bin/sh
NB> process=`ps axuw | grep ices | grep -v grep`
NB> if [ -z "$process"]
NB> then
NB> cd /home/Darkmeteor/bin
NB> nohup /home/Darkmeteor/bin/ices /home/Darkmeteor/bin/ices-playlist.xml > /dev/null 2> start &
NB> echo "loaded!"
NB> else
NB> echo "already running!"
NB> fi

NB> if I run this file from the shell, it works, but if it's run by
NB> crontab, ices isn't loaded. Anyone can help me please ?

No one here uses crontab to keep their icecast/ices servers up ? If so
do you have any other solution ?


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From shawnmferris at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 19 14:08:15 2003
From: shawnmferris at yahoo.com (Shawn M Ferris)
Date: 19 Mar 2003 07:08:15 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Thanks for the help.. and a request for more 8)
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Well.. Now 2 drives are having trouble.. It's obviously hardware related
now. - Lame

Oh well.. Again, thanks for all of the help.. Maybe I'll actually get to
enjoy a streaming server one day 8)

SMF 8)

On Tue, 2003-03-18 at 21:01, Shawn M Ferris wrote:
> A couple weeks ago, I sent an email requesting help to get icecast2 to
> stream mp3.. I had an incorrect version of ices, and the wrong protocol
> set. DOH! 8)
> 
> Anyway.. I wanted to say thanks for the help.. and to once again solicit
> more.. (Theres always more ;)
> 
> Well.. the last round, I set the protocol between ices/icecast correctly
> and everything was running beautiful! (That was at 2, or 3 in the
> morning) Well, that same morning, some hours later, I woke up and my 
> hard drive crashed. I'd spent 3-4 days rebuilding the machine to get it
> to that point. *SIGH*
> 
> So.. I spent the next 3-4 days getting it to that point again, with a
> new hard drive. Everything went well.. Up to the point where I ran ice
> for a couple hours again.. Guess what.. It appeared that the hard drive
> crashed again. The new one, different controller, etc.
> 
> After running a week w/o icecast running and without another crash, I'm
> guessing that icecast is triggering the problem.. I've got a sneaking
> hunch that it's a combination of two or more of: icecast, ext3 and
> firewire. (The hard drive is firewire temporarily while I restructure
> disks)
> 
> I'm gonna restructure things to eliminate one thing at a time.. but
> thought I'd throw out the situation to see if anyone has had a similar
> experience.
> 
> (BTW.. This machine is an unpatched 2.4.20 Linux kernel.. Redhat 8.0)
> 
> Anyone?
> 
> Thanks again for all the help! and for the product! 8)

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Wed Mar 19 15:47:18 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 09:47:18 -0600
Subject: [icecast] New icecast2 win32 binary...
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030319094624.0307db30@www.oddsock.org>



I've updated the win32 icecast2 binary on my site to reflect current CVS 
(as of now - March 19, 2003)....

It's available here for anyone interested : 
http://www.oddsock.org/tools/icecast2/

<p>oddsock

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From bazin.nicolas at club-internet.fr  Wed Mar 19 17:09:55 2003
From: bazin.nicolas at club-internet.fr (Nicolas Bazin)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 18:09:55 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Streaming distant files ?
Message-ID: <13268238231.20030319180955@club-internet.fr>



Hello,

Is it possible to stream network files with ices ? Can I use a distant
web space, or is there any way to do it ?

Thanks

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From inzanekaoz at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 19 18:06:18 2003
From: inzanekaoz at yahoo.com (HJ)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 10:06:18 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] OT - Need help with crontab
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crontab entries should use absolute paths to scripts, shells, etc.

Example:
00 12,18 * * *   /home/nezza/bin/alarm.sh

<p>runs alarm.sh at noon (1200 hrs) and 6PM (1800 hrs), every day.
See also:
  man 5 crontab

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From bazin.nicolas at club-internet.fr  Wed Mar 19 18:11:22 2003
From: bazin.nicolas at club-internet.fr (Nicolas Bazin)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 19:11:22 +0100
Subject: [icecast] OT - Need help with crontab
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Hello HJ,

Wednesday, March 19, 2003, 7:06:18 PM, you wrote:

H> crontab entries should use absolute paths to scripts, shells, etc.

H> Example:
H> 00 12,18 * * *   /home/nezza/bin/alarm.sh

<p>H> runs alarm.sh at noon (1200 hrs) and 6PM (1800 hrs), every day.
H> See also:
H>   man 5 crontab

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Thanks, but that was not the problem. The problem is solved now, I'm
using a SH that check the process list for ices2, and if it's not here
it calls a ctsh script that launch ices2


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From medwards at ualberta.ca  Wed Mar 19 19:53:36 2003
From: medwards at ualberta.ca (M Edwards)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 12:53:36 -0700
Subject: [icecast] ices spawning zombie perl processes
Message-ID: <3E7B94A8@webmail.ualberta.ca>



I have ices currently calling a Perl script to generate the next song to be 
played. However, either the perl script is incorrectly written and is not 
exitting properly, or ices is not letting it know that it can close the 
process in the table. Does anyone have any advice on distinguishing between 
the two cases, and how to fix the issue?

--thanks
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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Wed Mar 19 23:06:05 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 19 Mar 2003 23:06:05 +0000
Subject: [icecast] ices spawning zombie perl processes
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On Wed, 2003-03-19 at 19:53, M Edwards wrote:
> I have ices currently calling a Perl script to generate the next song to be 
> played. However, either the perl script is incorrectly written and is not 
> exitting properly, or ices is not letting it know that it can close the 
> process in the table. Does anyone have any advice on distinguishing between 
> the two cases, and how to fix the issue?

Assuming ices2, then ices will wait until the process terminates. ices
uses popen which invokes the shell to run the command you specify. Can
you verify the state of the processes with ps and email me directly with
the listing and OS details.

karl.

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From karelium at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 19 23:58:13 2003
From: karelium at yahoo.com (Karel Alvarez)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 15:58:13 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 admin via web.
Message-ID: <20030319235813.26649.qmail@web11908.mail.yahoo.com>



hello people,

I have three questions now:

1 - how can I administrate (kick, accept, ban, display) the connections
to my icecast2 server via web?  (as in shoutcast)

2- is posible to specify some intro.mp3 and backup.mp3 as in shoutcast
server? (or is in project?)
  -- intro.mp3 is streamed to each user just before begin to stream
live music, here we can send him our broadcast ID, some advertisements,
"tip of the day" and more)
  -- backup.mp3 is streamed over and over if the source mp3 is down.
Here we can send some speech as "sorry, the source is disconnected.
Wait a second please"

3- Have you in project integrate all those stuff (administration and
statistics, current playing song, user connected, etc) in the icecast2
server as Web Services? (it could be good!!)

     chao,
        karel

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From dlocasci at seaforn.dircon.co.uk  Thu Mar 20 00:11:57 2003
From: dlocasci at seaforn.dircon.co.uk (Damon LoCascio)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 00:11:57 +0000 (GMT)
Subject: [icecast] The future for open streaming solutions at the BBC?
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Hi all,

I recently emailed a query to the maintainers of BBC London website
(http://bbc.co.uk/london)  asking if they had any plans to move away from
Real Server as a means for streaming audio and Video of their live radio
and tv broadcasts to something a bit more cross platform like OGG/Vorbis
or even MP3's. The reply I received was :

"I'm afraid we only plan to use Real Player files for our video and audio
clips for a while yet. This is mainly because the Real Servers are much
easier to support for the BBC and because Real Servers can handle the
traffic that the BBC Website places on them, unlike some other products.

We are looking into more formats and I will take up this matter with BBC
Technology who deal with streaming audio and video."

So my question is what resources are avaible to convince the techies at
the BBC that an open source solution is just as robust if not more so than
Real Networks solution. Do things like Icecast scale well or the Helix DNA
server? What comparisons, if any, are availiable for the best server
serving the best media format (OGG, MP3, RA's QT etc)? Is there a cast
iron argument I can put to the BBC?

Cheers,

Damon.

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Thu Mar 20 00:38:44 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:38:44 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Re: [advocacy] The future for open streaming solutions at the BBC?
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Hi:

I take it you're aware that some BBC people are already interested in the
vorbis format and that there were some streams up for awhile.  See
http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/

The most recent update isn't particularly encouraging.

Geoff.

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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Thu Mar 20 00:54:39 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 20 Mar 2003 00:54:39 +0000
Subject: [icecast] The future for open streaming solutions at the BBC?
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On Thu, 2003-03-20 at 00:11, Damon LoCascio wrote:

> "I'm afraid we only plan to use Real Player files for our video and audio
> clips for a while yet. This is mainly because the Real Servers are much
> easier to support for the BBC and because Real Servers can handle the
> traffic that the BBC Website places on them, unlike some other products.
> 
> We are looking into more formats and I will take up this matter with BBC
> Technology who deal with streaming audio and video."
> 
> So my question is what resources are avaible to convince the techies at
> the BBC that an open source solution is just as robust if not more so than
> Real Networks solution. Do things like Icecast scale well or the Helix DNA
> server? What comparisons, if any, are availiable for the best server
> serving the best media format (OGG, MP3, RA's QT etc)? Is there a cast
> iron argument I can put to the BBC?

One of the key points with this sort of server is that you saturate
network before anything else. It would be nice to have access to setups
where obscenely high load can be achieved but many of the developers
don't have access to that equipment so it will be hard to give figures
and comparisons.

Don't forget that the BBC have already done some initial analysis 
http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/  but they seemed to have a problem with
staff support than anything else.

karl.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Thu Mar 20 01:08:02 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 12:08:02 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 admin via web.
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On Thursday 20 March 2003 10:58, Karel Alvarez wrote:
> hello people,
>
> I have three questions now:
>
> 1 - how can I administrate (kick, accept, ban, display) the connections
> to my icecast2 server via web?  (as in shoutcast)

This is incomplete. You can list them, but not the others. That'll be added in 
the next couple of weeks.

>
> 2- is posible to specify some intro.mp3 and backup.mp3 as in shoutcast
> server? (or is in project?)
>   -- intro.mp3 is streamed to each user just before begin to stream
> live music, here we can send him our broadcast ID, some advertisements,
> "tip of the day" and more)
>   -- backup.mp3 is streamed over and over if the source mp3 is down.
> Here we can send some speech as "sorry, the source is disconnected.
> Wait a second please"

The first is planned. The second is sort of possible, but not quite like that.

>
> 3- Have you in project integrate all those stuff (administration and
> statistics, current playing song, user connected, etc) in the icecast2
> server as Web Services? (it could be good!!)
>

No. web services use an idiotic protocol.

Mike

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From karelium at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 20 05:34:04 2003
From: karelium at yahoo.com (Karel Alvarez)
Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:34:04 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] sending non 44.1Khz-stereo files to oddcast
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Have you tried to send mp3 files with other formats than 44khz stereo?

I'm not talking about the encoding quality for send the data to
icecast, else about the quality of mp3 files.

If you do that, the listeners will hear the music faster and higher,
like the little chipmunks in donald duck's, and it will be broken by
no-sound intervals. It happens if the files are mono too.

This is because the encoders are supossing that the PCM data (the
sounds after they are decoded by input plugins like IN_MP3.DLL in
winamp) are at 44.1 Khz stereo. If this data is at a lower freq or if
is not stereo....it ocurrs.  Pay attention: Here doesn't matter at
which frequency, if stereo or mono and bitrate you are encoding to, the
main is the source PCM coming from the input plugin!

I have a solution:  a DSP plugin that re-encodes the PCM data to
44.1khz stereo if necesary.  Then use the dsp stacker (found in
www.winamp.com) and stack as first dsp, this "reecoder" and as the
second, the oddcast plugin.....that's all!

but the life is not so easy...I have a problem: I don't know where is
such dsp plugin. Please, if you find it (or if you make it) just tell
me.....I'm looking for something like this some time ago and I don't
have time to code it.

best regards...and good coding ;-)
     Karel

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From ross at stationplaylist.com  Thu Mar 20 09:37:25 2003
From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 21:37:25 +1200
Subject: [icecast] New icecast2 win32 binary...
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Hi oddsock

I'm trying out the new Win32 IceCast2 binary with OddCast v1.  The audio 
is feeding into IceCast2 successfully but as soon as I attempt a client 
connection (all on the same PC), IceCast2 crashes with the following info:

ICECAST2 caused an invalid page fault in
module MSAFD.DLL at 017f:7b4138ae.
Registers:
EAX=00000001 CS=017f EIP=7b4138ae EFLGS=00010293
EBX=00000001 SS=0187 ESP=01ffedf4 EBP=01ffee20
ECX=00000004 DS=0187 ESI=0000ffff FS=3e07
EDX=bffc9490 ES=0187 EDI=00000006 GS=12de
Bytes at CS:EIP:
8b 00 8b 55 f8 89 45 f4 8d 45 e0 6a 18 50 68 0e
Stack dump:
01742ba0 00000000 000000c6 00000001 75fe1256 bff7b9c5 81837bd0 75fe121a 
76003997 c7a721e0 006b4c2c 01ffee54 76009062 000005a8 00000006 00000001

Any ideas?.  This is a Win98 PC with plenty of everything.

Regards,
Ross Levis.

oddsock wrote:

> I've updated the win32 icecast2 binary on my site to reflect current 
> CVS (as of now - March 19, 2003)....
>
> It's available here for anyone interested : 
> http://www.oddsock.org/tools/icecast2/
>
>
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From gshang at uq.net.au  Thu Mar 20 13:18:24 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 23:18:24 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Directory listing disappeared
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Hi:

Last week, I upgraded an icecast2 server and enabled the directory code.
The primary streams that run on it showed up nicely.  As some may recall, I
had issues with libshout compiling (seems the sources got hosed somehow, a
fresh checkout fixed everything after all else failed), and I just compiled
the latest ices2.  I noticed, with some surprise, that the config file
hadn't changed in the 5 months since I'd last upgraded.  hmmm.  anyway,
without changing a single thing in the xml file, we started the new version
of ices.  Everything worked fine ... except our directory listing
disappeared.

Is there some XML magic I need to use now to get directory info published?
The server is now sending out:

ice-public: 0

for this stream, but I don't know if it was doing this before or not (I'm
guessing it wasn't).

Geoff.

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From tposton1 at swbell.net  Thu Mar 20 16:56:42 2003
From: tposton1 at swbell.net (Todd Poston)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 10:56:42 -0600
Subject: [icecast] strange way of forwarding to another stream.
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Just a follow up to this, Geoff...
True, that is how you'd do it when you know what *n* number of
streams/files you wished to serve at the time the client d/l's the
playlist.  There are cases when you may wish to dynamically change what
the client hears (live radio for instance, or maintenance, etc.) without
requiring the client to manually reconnect.  Redirects would/could be
handy _IF_ clients supported them universally. Alas.

Icecast supports moving clients to new streams (very cool BTW), and that
serves the same purpose - although not as flexible as redirects could be
(if the "new stream" was on a different Icecast instance (or computer)
for example).

Cheers and keep up the great work.

Todd

PS - Michael, you send a lot of early morning emails so watch you don't
burn yourself out!!! ;)

Oh and FWIW, I offer up my C# knowledge/coding/time if it could be of
use in some aspect to you all.  Although I doubt it would be, I wanted
to throw it out there anyway.

> If you want to play 1 stream then play another, surely it's 
> enough to simply place 2 items in the playlist file that you 
> send to the client.  It works and it's supported.
> 
> Geoff.

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From inzanekaoz at yahoo.com  Thu Mar 20 19:21:36 2003
From: inzanekaoz at yahoo.com (HJ)
Date: Thu, 20 Mar 2003 11:21:36 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] G/UI's (was: The future for open streaming solutions at the BBC?)
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> Don't forget that the BBC have already done some initial analysis 
> http://support.bbc.co.uk/ogg/  but they seemed to have a problem
> with
> staff support than anything else.

<p>It leads one to wonder if one might grab icecast2 by the horns and
turn it into a '1-click install' ...

And while icecast2 comes with reasonable defaults and really isn't
hard to set up, a DEAD-SIMPLE initial-setup wizard and along with
the win32 binary (apologies if such a thing already exists), and/or
a 'beginners' setup shell-script for 'nixes which could build
initial config files and launch the server (so that total time to
get a stream up & running is reduced to, say, '30 seconds' versus '2
minutes and a little bit of reading') could be beneficial.


--
Icecast2 requires authentication to stream audio.  Pick a password
that source clients will authenticate with.

Enter a password: [           ]

Re-enter password: [           ]

--
What is the target audience?

* 14.4kbps modem, mono  (-q0 --resample 11025 --downmix)
* 28.8kbps modem, mono  (-q-1 --resample 22050 --downmix)
* 28.8kbps modem, stereo (-q-1 --resample 16000)
* 33.6kbps modem
. 
.
.
--
Icecast serves streams by associating a stream with a filename to
request.  (eg. http://yoyodyne.net:8000/faststream.ogg)

Enter the virtual filename to be used for clients to request:
[ slowstream.ogg ]

.
* would you like to set up another stream?
* would you like to set up relaying now? (sending audio from one
icecast server to another)
* would you like to launch icecast now?
* Ok! The server is up... tell clients to connect to
http://yoyodyne.net:8000/slowstream.ogg to listen, or link it rom
your web page.

The source of the audio stream should connect to (soandso) and enter
the password (soandso)...
.
.

<p>The idea is to 'stupidify' setup so people can get running in
seconds, get results, and THEN go back and read documentation.  I
agree, not the best policy perhaps, but nonetheless...

<p>Comments?
~HJ

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Fri Mar 21 01:16:23 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:16:23 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] strange way of forwarding to another stream.
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On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Todd Poston wrote:

> Just a follow up to this, Geoff...
> True, that is how you'd do it when you know what *n* number of
> streams/files you wished to serve at the time the client d/l's the
> playlist.  There are cases when you may wish to dynamically change what
> the client hears (live radio for instance, or maintenance, etc.) without
> requiring the client to manually reconnect.  Redirects would/could be
> handy _IF_ clients supported them universally. Alas.

Well, you could dynamically produce the playlist with some scripting
language like ASP or PHP.  Would achieve the same thing.

Geoff.

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From spankylucas at hotmail.com  Fri Mar 21 04:19:55 2003
From: spankylucas at hotmail.com (Lucas Smith)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 04:19:55 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Socket error: No such file or directory
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mmm... ok. well i got ices2 installed properly now (i hope) after some 
effort and help (cheers Michael for the prompt response!).

the goal is to get ices2 to stream to a peercast client on port 2768. but 
somehow things are still not going quite as planned. here is the log

-----------------------------------------------------
idoru:/var/log# ices /usr/local/etc/ices.conf
[2003-03-20  22:55:29] INFO ices-core/main ices started...
[2003-03-20  22:55:29] INFO signals/signal_usr1_handler Metadata update 
requested
[2003-03-20  22:55:29] INFO playlist-builtin/playlist_read Currently playing 
/usr/peercast/aut.aut.ogg
[2003-03-20  22:56:00] EROR stream/ices_instance_stream Failed initial 
connect to localhost:2768 (Socket error: No such file or directory)
[2003-03-20  22:56:00] DBUG reencode/reencode_clear Clearing reencoder
[2003-03-20  22:56:00] DBUG input/input_loop An instance died, removing it
[2003-03-20  22:56:00] DBUG input/input_flush_queue Input queue flush 
requested
[2003-03-20  22:56:00] DBUG input/input_loop All instances removed, shutting 
down control thread.
[2003-03-20  22:56:00] INFO ices-core/main Shutdown complete
---------------------------------------------------------------

at first i thought this might have something to do with iptables but thats 
not the case either. i doubt permisions are the problem since i get the same 
problem running both peercast and ices2 as root. peercast does work with 
other channels. so i am pretty sure the problem lies with my ices2.... hmph!

heres some of the relevant lines from the ices2.conf file

--------------------------------------------
                        <hostname>localhost</hostname>
                        <port>2768</port>
                        <password>******</password>
                        <mount>/idoru.ogg</mount>
--------------------------------------------

the pasword is corect for sure as is the port.

any sugestions? the combination peercast ices2 is just so cool i HAVE to get 
it to work. :-)

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From tposton1 at swbell.net  Fri Mar 21 06:47:15 2003
From: tposton1 at swbell.net (Todd Poston)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 00:47:15 -0600
Subject: [icecast] strange way of forwarding to another stream.
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> On Thu, 20 Mar 2003, Todd Poston wrote:
> 
> > Just a follow up to this, Geoff...
> > True, that is how you'd do it when you know what *n* number of 
> > streams/files you wished to serve at the time the client d/l's the 
> > playlist.  There are cases when you may wish to dynamically change 
> > what the client hears (live radio for instance, or 
> maintenance, etc.) 
> > without requiring the client to manually reconnect.  Redirects 
> > would/could be handy _IF_ clients supported them universally. Alas.
> 
> Well, you could dynamically produce the playlist with some 
> scripting language like ASP or PHP.  Would achieve the same thing.
> 
> Geoff.

That's right.  But you still have the issue of changing the source after
they have connected - regardless of what is in a playlist.  The client
just stays connected the whole time and doesn't have to do anything.
Fortunately icecast can do this. :)  

Granted, this feature won't be used by most users, but I think it is
entirely a worthwhile feature.  I guess the ability (within the code)
needs to be there anyway so that mountpoints can have fallbacks, which I
would think does the same thing.  But it is nice to have dynamic control
of which sources serve which mountpoints.

Todd

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From karelium at yahoo.com  Fri Mar 21 08:52:02 2003
From: karelium at yahoo.com (Karel Alvarez)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 00:52:02 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] oddcast plugin behaviors
Message-ID: <20030321085202.53478.qmail@web11907.mail.yahoo.com>



hi oddsock,

Your oddcast plugin is very good, currently is able to connect to
icecast, icecast2 and shotcast servers; that's way is very usefull. 
Well, I know you know all that... :-)

But I have some problems with it:

<p>1-The plugin always try to attach to winamp, so when winamp is
minimized or moved, oddcast's window does it too. At this point, all
ok.

What about if the plugin owner is not winamp?
When I use oddcast from other programs (in my case, delphi) it works
fine, but it still try to attach to a winamp...ooh, why? why?  Now, if
I minimize winamp, the plugin dissapear too! and, if I drag it's window
near to winamp's, oddcast freezes for a while; I guess it is trying to
attach to the another process window (winamp) but failing in many many
times as the mouse is dragging the plugin window.

Would be good that we could specify the attach window (may be through
.INI, may be sending a window message to oddcast's window) or, at
least; if the process who opened the dll is not winamp, disable all
those behaviors.

<p>2- If the server is icecast2; Ogg/vorbis data works fine. MP3 data is
sent ok but clients (winamp or media player) can't connect to it. For
this case, the error.log says:

....src\connection.c Client connected
....src\connection.c Source found for client
....src\source.c Client added
....src\source.c Client had unrecoverable error with new data, probably
due to client disconnection
....src\source.c Client removed

I'm confussed. Icecast2 does not stream mp3 ??

moreover, If the server is Shoutcast; ogg/vorbis is not supported (I
know that). MP3 data works ok!!

<p>3- I saw in somewhere of oddsock forum a post asking about a
"disconnect" button. I carry forward with it because, if the oddcast
can't log into the server (e.g 'cause a bad password), it tries to
reconnect over and over and we can not tell it that stops in order to
change the config. If we press "connect" while oddcast is waiting for
the reconnection time, it tries to reconnect again so never is stopped
!!!
------------
What can you do for me?
Most critical is the first...moreover, i can live with the 3th

     chao,
         Karel

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Fri Mar 21 08:59:26 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 18:59:26 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] oddcast plugin behaviors
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Karel Alvarez wrote:

> I'm confussed. Icecast2 does not stream mp3 ??

Just to clarify, icecast2 does stream mp3.  It should be able to cope with
a shoutcast-style connection, but one would obviously want to take
advantage of the icecast2 features if one can.

Geoff.

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From darkeye at tyrell.hu  Fri Mar 21 13:07:10 2003
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 14:07:10 +0100
Subject: [icecast] how long does the relay pull streams?
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Hi,

I have another question: how long does the relay server pull stream from 
the source if no clients are connected to it? how can one modify this 
time period?

Thanks,

<p>Akos

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From remco at rc6.org  Fri Mar 21 14:07:23 2003
From: remco at rc6.org (Remco B. Brink)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:07:23 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Directory listing disappeared
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<quote who="Geoff Shang">

> Is there some XML magic I need to use now to get directory info
> published?

Can you send over your existing configuration?

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From darkeye at tyrell.hu  Fri Mar 21 14:09:10 2003
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:09:10 +0100
Subject: [icecast] how to specify remote dump file from the source?
Message-ID: <3E7B1D06.3000109@tyrell.hu>



Hi,

I see that the server side stream dump feature is now implemented, as I 
see the dump-file tag in the icecast config file. I have a question 
though: is it possible to specify the server side dump file via the 
source login protocol?

Thanks,

<p>Akos

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Fri Mar 21 14:45:33 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 00:45:33 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Directory listing disappeared
In-Reply-To: <20030321150723.03645080.remco@rc6.org>
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Remco B. Brink wrote:

> <quote who="Geoff Shang">
>
> > Is there some XML magic I need to use now to get directory info
> > published?
>
> Can you send over your existing configuration?

Yeah.  Ignore the comments, this began  as the sample config file and the
comments weren't removed or changed.

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<ices>

        <background>0</background> <!-- run in background? (unimplemented) -->
        <logpath>/var/streamers/ices2/egoplay</logpath> <!-- where logs, etc go. -->
        <logfile>ices.log</logfile>
        <loglevel>4</loglevel> <!-- 1=error,2=warn,3=info,4=debug -->
    <consolelog>0</consolelog> <!-- set this to 1 to log to the console instead
                                    of to the file above -->

        <stream>
                <!-- metadata used for stream listing (not currently used) -->
                <metadata>
                        <name>Kirk's Egoplay</name>
                        <genre>all genres</genre>
                        <description>An eclectic mix of ogg's from Kirk's vast collection</description>
                </metadata>

                <!-- input module
                         This defines where the data (raw PCM, vorbis files, etc.) comes
                         from. The module used here is the playlist module - it has
                         'submodules' for different types of playlist. The only one
                         currently implemented is 'basic', which is a simple file-based
                         playlist
                -->
                <input>
                        <module>playlist</module>
                        <param name="type">script</param><!-- Only 'basic' implemented -->
                        <param name="program">/usr/bin/egosched</param> <!-- be sure this exists -->
                </input>

                <!-- Stream instance
                         You may have one or more instances here. This allows you to
                         send the same input data to one or more servers (or to different
                         mountpoints on the same server). Each of them can have different
                         parameters. This is primarily useful for a) relaying to multiple
                         independent servers, and b) encoding/reencoding to multiple
                         bitrates.
                         If one instance fails (for example, the associated server goes
                         down, etc), the others will continue to function correctly.
                         This example defines two instances as two mountpoints on the
                         same server.
                -->
                <instance>
                        <!-- Server details:
                                 You define hostname and port for the server here, along with
                                 the source password and mountpoint.
                        -->
                        <hostname>bumpy.braille.uwo.ca</hostname>
                        <port>9000</port>
                        <password>ahem...</password>
                        <mount>/egoplay64.ogg</mount>

                        <!-- Reconnect parameters:
                                 When something goes wrong (e.g. the server crashes, or the
                                 network drops) and ices disconnects from the server, these
                                 control how often it tries to reconnect, and how many times
                                 it tries to reconnect. Delay is in seconds.
                                 If you set reconnectattempts to -1, it will continue
                                 indefinately. Suggest setting reconnectdelay to a large value
                                 if you do this.
                        -->
                        <reconnectdelay>2</reconnectdelay>
                        <reconnectattempts>5</reconnectattempts>

                        <!-- maxqueuelength:
                                 This describes how long the internal data queues may be. This
                                 basically lets you control how much data gets buffered before
                                 ices decides it can't send to the server fast enough, and
                                 either shuts down or flushes the queue (dropping the data)
                                 and continues.
                                 For advanced users only.
                        -->
                        <maxqueuelength>80</maxqueuelength>

                        <!-- Live encoding/reencoding:
                                 Currrently, the parameters given here for encoding MUST
                                 match the input data for channels and sample rate. That
                                 restriction will be relaxed in the future.
                        -->
                        <encode>
                                <quality>0</quality>
                                <samplerate>44100</samplerate>
                                <channels>2</channels>
                        </encode>
                </instance>

                <!-- Now, we define a 2nd stream instance.
                         Here, we only define the basic server parameters - everything
                         else takes the default values.
                         No reencoding is done.
                -->
                <instance>
                        <hostname>bumpy.braille.uwo.ca</hostname>
                        <port>9000</port>
                        <password>ahemm...</password>
                        <mount>/egoplay.ogg</mount>
                    <!-- Stream saving. Save the outgoing stream to the specified file
                             This is commented out since we don't want it by default -->
                        <!--
            <savefile>streamdump.ogg</savefile>
             -->
                </instance>

                <instance>
                        <hostname>bumpy.braille.uwo.ca</hostname>
                        <port>9000</port>
                        <password>ahem...</password>
                        <mount>/egoplay24.ogg</mount>

                        <encode>
                                <quality>-1</quality>
                                <samplerate>22050</samplerate>
                                <channels>1</channels>
                        </encode>

            <!-- stereo->mono downmixing, enabled by setting this to 1 -->
            <downmix>1</downmix>

            <!-- resampling. Set to the frequency (in Hz) you wish to resample
                 to, or 0 to disable -->

            <resample>
                <in-rate>44100</in-rate>
                <out-rate>22050</out-rate>
            </resample>
                </instance>

        </stream>
</ices>

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From remco at rc6.org  Fri Mar 21 15:56:47 2003
From: remco at rc6.org (Remco B. Brink)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 16:56:47 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Directory listing disappeared
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303220038580.1007-100000@data.home>
Message-ID: <20030321165647.5bf4468f.remco@rc6.org>



<quote who="Geoff Shang">

> On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Remco B. Brink wrote:
> 
> > <quote who="Geoff Shang">
> >
> > > Is there some XML magic I need to use now to get directory info
> > > published?
> >
> > Can you send over your existing configuration?
> 
> Yeah.  Ignore the comments, this began  as the sample config file and
> the comments weren't removed or changed.

Ofcourse to get published in any directory, you need to *specify* that
in the icecast.xml file ;-)

    <directory>
        <yp-url><a href="http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url">http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi</yp-url</a>>
    </directory>

Feel free to take a peek at my Icecast configuration, which you can find
at the following URL:
  http://people.opera.com/remco/icecast.txt

-rbb


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From gshang at uq.net.au  Fri Mar 21 16:06:34 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 02:06:34 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Directory listing disappeared
In-Reply-To: <20030321165647.5bf4468f.remco@rc6.org>
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On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Remco B. Brink wrote:

> Ofcourse to get published in any directory, you need to *specify* that
> in the icecast.xml file ;-)

the icecast side of it is fine.  It *was* working.  Then I updated ices2
(the one that worked was October vintage) and now it doesn't work anymore.
I suspect that the fascility has been added to ices to specify whether
streams are to be listed or not, but that it's not been documented.  That's
the only reason I can think of for it to have stopped working.

Geoff.

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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Fri Mar 21 16:47:44 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 21 Mar 2003 16:47:44 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Directory listing disappeared
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On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 16:06, Geoff Shang wrote:
> On Fri, 21 Mar 2003, Remco B. Brink wrote:
> 
> > Ofcourse to get published in any directory, you need to *specify* that
> > in the icecast.xml file ;-)
> 
> the icecast side of it is fine.  It *was* working.  Then I updated ices2
> (the one that worked was October vintage) and now it doesn't work anymore.
> I suspect that the fascility has been added to ices to specify whether
> streams are to be listed or not, but that it's not been documented.  That's
> the only reason I can think of for it to have stopped working.

There really isn't that much changed in ices wrt directory services, it
just invokes an added libshout API call on encode/reencode cases.  Ices
could do with a tag to enable/disable it though.  Check that you have
recent versions and if you still have the problem send me the http
headers that ices is sending.

karl.

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From morgang at newlifemedia.org  Fri Mar 21 17:28:41 2003
From: morgang at newlifemedia.org (Morgan Grammer)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 11:28:41 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Trouble getting Ices/Icecast2 to stream
Message-ID: <000f01c2efcf$5230e500$90b3b241@PINNACLE>



I'm rather new to this. I just set up Icecast and Ices using source from
CVS downloaded yesterday (3-20-2003). The box is running RedHat 8.0 with
all the required RPMs to compile. Here's my trouble:

I have Ices running in live mode, with it connecting correctly to the
Icecast server on port 8000 (which is only bound to 127.0.0.1). I'm
using Winamp on the client end connecting to port 8001 (which is only
bound to my outside IP). Winamp will connect, say it has completed
prebuffering, and I see data moving, but there is no audio. If I include
"savefile" in the Ices config, it will correctly write the file, which I
can load into winamp and hear audio.

If I try to listen to the "savefile" by connecting to the web portion of
Icecast, it will occasionally work, but 8 out of 10 times, icecast will
segfault.

Any clues? I DO have audio going into the machine, and I only hit about
25% system utilization when both Icecast and Ices are running. There are
no error message in either log about connection trouble between Icecast
and Ices.

Thanks for your help. We're trying to get this stuff to work to replace
realaudio at all of our sites (since Real wants a pile of money to renew
their licenses).

-Morgan

<p>Morgan Grammer
Director of Engineering and Technology
New Life Media / IBI Radio Ministries
WIBI - WCIC - WCFL - WBGL - WTSG - WSCT - WBMV - WNLD - WCRT

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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Fri Mar 21 18:49:07 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 21 Mar 2003 18:49:07 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Trouble getting Ices/Icecast2 to stream
In-Reply-To: <000f01c2efcf$5230e500$90b3b241@PINNACLE>
Message-ID: <1048272547.1014.97.camel@bogus.hackers.club>



On Fri, 2003-03-21 at 17:28, Morgan Grammer wrote:

> I have Ices running in live mode, with it connecting correctly to the
> Icecast server on port 8000 (which is only bound to 127.0.0.1). I'm
> using Winamp on the client end connecting to port 8001 (which is only
> bound to my outside IP). Winamp will connect, say it has completed
> prebuffering, and I see data moving, but there is no audio. If I include
> "savefile" in the Ices config, it will correctly write the file, which I
> can load into winamp and hear audio.
> 
> If I try to listen to the "savefile" by connecting to the web portion of
> Icecast, it will occasionally work, but 8 out of 10 times, icecast will
> segfault.
 
Firstly check which winamp client you have, v3 has problems, there's a
beta of 2.9 out. The segfault on icecast needs looking at though, can
you give me details privately on that.

karl.

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From gcorey at blackoakassociates.com  Fri Mar 21 20:44:47 2003
From: gcorey at blackoakassociates.com (gcorey at blackoakassociates.com)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 15:44:47 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Trouble getting Ices/Icecast2 to stream
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Trouble getting Ices/Icecast2 to stream>
Message-ID: <200303212044.ACY29962@ms3.verisignmail.com>



I have heard there are problems with winamp 3, but not with
winamp 2.   I haven't tried winamp2 yet, but zinf for windows
will play at least the current song.
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From msmith at xiph.org  Sat Mar 22 00:14:48 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:14:48 +1100
Subject: [icecast] how long does the relay pull streams?
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On Saturday 22 March 2003 00:07, Akos Maroy wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have another question: how long does the relay server pull stream from
> the source if no clients are connected to it? how can one modify this
> time period?

<p>Icecast 2 does not currently do on-demand relay streams. 

Mike

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From msmith at xiph.org  Sat Mar 22 00:15:59 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:15:59 +1100
Subject: [icecast] how to specify remote dump file from the source?
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On Saturday 22 March 2003 01:09, Akos Maroy wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I see that the server side stream dump feature is now implemented, as I
> see the dump-file tag in the icecast config file. I have a question
> though: is it possible to specify the server side dump file via the
> source login protocol?

<p>No. Security issues aside (and those would require significant thought), this 
seems like something of fairly limited usefulness.

Mike

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From msmith at xiph.org  Sat Mar 22 00:21:29 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 11:21:29 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Trouble getting Ices/Icecast2 to stream
In-Reply-To: <000f01c2efcf$5230e500$90b3b241@PINNACLE>
Message-ID: <200303221121.29297.msmith@xiph.org>



On Saturday 22 March 2003 04:28, Morgan Grammer wrote:
> I'm rather new to this. I just set up Icecast and Ices using source from
> CVS downloaded yesterday (3-20-2003). The box is running RedHat 8.0 with
> all the required RPMs to compile. Here's my trouble:
>
> I have Ices running in live mode, with it connecting correctly to the
> Icecast server on port 8000 (which is only bound to 127.0.0.1). I'm
> using Winamp on the client end connecting to port 8001 (which is only
> bound to my outside IP). Winamp will connect, say it has completed
> prebuffering, and I see data moving, but there is no audio. If I include
> "savefile" in the Ices config, it will correctly write the file, which I
> can load into winamp and hear audio.

Winamp (and several other common media players) have a serious bug in their 
HTTP streaming implementation, which means it treats everything as mp3. 
There's a hack in the vorbis plugin to treat it as vorbis if (and only if) 
the URL ends with ".ogg" - does yours? This sounds like what happens if you 
don't.

>
> If I try to listen to the "savefile" by connecting to the web portion of
> Icecast, it will occasionally work, but 8 out of 10 times, icecast will
> segfault.

Eek. That should _never_ happen, can you give further details, including your 
icecast config file?

Mike

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From morgang at newlifemedia.org  Sat Mar 22 03:51:45 2003
From: morgang at newlifemedia.org (Morgan Grammer)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 21:51:45 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Trouble getting Ices/Icecast2 to stream
In-Reply-To: <200303221121.29297.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <000901c2f026$5ce6d390$2751fe9e@PINNACLE>



Mike / Karl -

I've tried two different ways of setting up the "stream". In one URL, I
named the file directly (http://foo.bar.org:8001/stream.ogg), and in the
second, I made a stream.m3u file containing the afore mentioned http
statement. Neither worked in Winamp. I had downloaded version 3 of
WinAmp, so I uninstalled that, and went out and got the JOrbis (Java)
player and the latest JRE from Sun. I also downloaded JlGui to see if
either one of those would see the live stream. Neither did.

I have yet (since I've written the first email) to segfault icecast
again, however I have been able to make Ices lock up and ignore a -KILL
or -HUP signal. This usually happens after I launch Ices once
interactively rather than making it a background process. After I kill
it to make a change, and then start it up again, it only partially
starts and then hangs. A system reboot seems to fix the problem.

I'll forward my config file to you privately along with the error log.
Its not consistent, so I'm still trying to figure out exactly what
causes the segfault.

-Morgan

<p>-----Original Message-----
From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf
Of Michael Smith
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 6:21 PM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [icecast] Trouble getting Ices/Icecast2 to stream

On Saturday 22 March 2003 04:28, Morgan Grammer wrote:
> I'm rather new to this. I just set up Icecast and Ices using source
from
> CVS downloaded yesterday (3-20-2003). The box is running RedHat 8.0
with
> all the required RPMs to compile. Here's my trouble:
>
> I have Ices running in live mode, with it connecting correctly to the
> Icecast server on port 8000 (which is only bound to 127.0.0.1). I'm
> using Winamp on the client end connecting to port 8001 (which is only
> bound to my outside IP). Winamp will connect, say it has completed
> prebuffering, and I see data moving, but there is no audio. If I
include
> "savefile" in the Ices config, it will correctly write the file, which
I
> can load into winamp and hear audio.

Winamp (and several other common media players) have a serious bug in
their 
HTTP streaming implementation, which means it treats everything as mp3. 
There's a hack in the vorbis plugin to treat it as vorbis if (and only
if) 
the URL ends with ".ogg" - does yours? This sounds like what happens if
you 
don't.

>
> If I try to listen to the "savefile" by connecting to the web portion
of
> Icecast, it will occasionally work, but 8 out of 10 times, icecast
will
> segfault.

Eek. That should _never_ happen, can you give further details, including
your 
icecast config file?

Mike

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From medwards at ualberta.ca  Sat Mar 22 06:19:11 2003
From: medwards at ualberta.ca (M Edwards)
Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 23:19:11 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Ices Spawing Zombie Perl Scripts - Again
Message-ID: <3E815686@webmail.ualberta.ca>



So, I finally had some time to go through my scripts and after some poking and 
fixing I discovered that there is nothing wrong with my Perl script. It may be 
ugly and inefficient but it gets the job done and closes without throwing 
errors when run thru perl outside of ices.

However, ices continues to produce the defunct processes, a listing of ices 
and icecast2 related material from ps is listed at the end of the email. 
ices-ad.pm is the perl script used to produce the next song.

How and why is ices producing this behaviour and how can I stop it? I'm pretty 
sure that this is the likely cause of ices eventually Segment Faulting 
relatively regularily over time (defunct processes build up until it somehow 
crashes then it releases them).

Any ideas all?

--thanks
Michael Edwards
http://www.walledcity.ca/mars/

root     22508  0.0  3.6  2444 1080 ?        S    22:43   0:00 SCREEN -R
root     22509  0.0  4.1  2232 1244 pts/1    S    22:43   0:00 /bin/bash
root     22618  0.0  4.1  2228 1236 pts/2    S    22:57   0:00 /bin/bash
iceuser  22620  0.0  4.1 16952 1252 pts/1    S    22:57   0:00 icecast2 -c 
/etc/
iceuser  22621  0.0  4.1 16952 1252 pts/1    S    22:57   0:00 icecast2 -c 
/etc/
iceuser  22622  0.0  4.1 16952 1252 pts/1    S    22:57   0:00 icecast2 -c 
/etc/
iceuser  22623  0.0  4.1 16952 1252 pts/1    S    22:57   0:00 icecast2 -c 
/etc/
iceuser  22624  0.0  4.1 16952 1252 pts/1    S    22:57   0:00 icecast2 -c 
/etc/
iceuser  22625  0.0  4.1 16952 1252 pts/1    S    22:57   0:00 icecast2 -c 
/etc/
iceuser  22626  0.0  4.1 16952 1252 pts/1    S    22:57   0:00 icecast2 -c 
/etc/
iceuser  22627  0.0  4.1 16952 1252 pts/1    S    22:57   0:00 icecast2 -c 
/etc/
root     22631  0.0  5.9  5480 1792 pts/2    S    22:58   0:00 ices 
/etc/icecast
root     22632  0.0  5.9  5480 1792 pts/2    S    22:58   0:00 ices 
/etc/icecast
root     22633  0.0  5.9  5480 1792 pts/2    S    22:58   0:00 ices 
/etc/icecast
root     22634  0.0  0.0     0    0 pts/2    Z    22:58   0:00 [ices-ad.pm 
<defu
iceuser  22635  0.0  4.1 16952 1252 pts/1    S    22:58   0:00 icecast2 -c 
/etc/
root     22668  0.0  0.0     0    0 pts/2    Z    23:01   0:00 [ices-ad.pm 
<defu
root     22679  0.0  0.0     0    0 pts/2    Z    23:03   0:00 [ices-ad.pm 
<defu
root     22703  0.0  0.0     0    0 pts/2    Z    23:08   0:00 [ices-ad.pm 
<defu
root     22731  0.1  0.0     0    0 pts/2    Z    23:11   0:00 [ices-ad.pm 
<defu
root     22741  0.0  4.1  3164 1236 pts/0    R    23:13   0:00 ps aux

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From boink at tetter.xs4all.nl  Sat Mar 22 07:43:13 2003
From: boink at tetter.xs4all.nl (boink)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 08:43:13 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Trouble getting Ices/Icecast2 to stream
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I have found that Winamp 2.8 works fine with ogg streams. 

Otherwise, Foobar2000 works very well on Windows too. On my FranceInter
stream it's the second most used client after Winamp 2.8.

b.

On Fri, Mar 21, 2003 at 09:51:45PM -0600, Morgan Grammer wrote:
> Mike / Karl -
> 
> I've tried two different ways of setting up the "stream". In one URL, I
> named the file directly (http://foo.bar.org:8001/stream.ogg), and in the
> second, I made a stream.m3u file containing the afore mentioned http
> statement. Neither worked in Winamp. I had downloaded version 3 of
> WinAmp, so I uninstalled that, and went out and got the JOrbis (Java)
> player and the latest JRE from Sun. I also downloaded JlGui to see if
> either one of those would see the live stream. Neither did.
> 
> I have yet (since I've written the first email) to segfault icecast
> again, however I have been able to make Ices lock up and ignore a -KILL
> or -HUP signal. This usually happens after I launch Ices once
> interactively rather than making it a background process. After I kill
> it to make a change, and then start it up again, it only partially
> starts and then hangs. A system reboot seems to fix the problem.
> 
> I'll forward my config file to you privately along with the error log.
> Its not consistent, so I'm still trying to figure out exactly what
> causes the segfault.
> 
> -Morgan
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On Behalf
> Of Michael Smith
> Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 6:21 PM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: Re: [icecast] Trouble getting Ices/Icecast2 to stream
> 
> On Saturday 22 March 2003 04:28, Morgan Grammer wrote:
> > I'm rather new to this. I just set up Icecast and Ices using source
> from
> > CVS downloaded yesterday (3-20-2003). The box is running RedHat 8.0
> with
> > all the required RPMs to compile. Here's my trouble:
> >
> > I have Ices running in live mode, with it connecting correctly to the
> > Icecast server on port 8000 (which is only bound to 127.0.0.1). I'm
> > using Winamp on the client end connecting to port 8001 (which is only
> > bound to my outside IP). Winamp will connect, say it has completed
> > prebuffering, and I see data moving, but there is no audio. If I
> include
> > "savefile" in the Ices config, it will correctly write the file, which
> I
> > can load into winamp and hear audio.
> 
> Winamp (and several other common media players) have a serious bug in
> their 
> HTTP streaming implementation, which means it treats everything as mp3. 
> There's a hack in the vorbis plugin to treat it as vorbis if (and only
> if) 
> the URL ends with ".ogg" - does yours? This sounds like what happens if
> you 
> don't.
> 
> >
> > If I try to listen to the "savefile" by connecting to the web portion
> of
> > Icecast, it will occasionally work, but 8 out of 10 times, icecast
> will
> > segfault.
> 
> Eek. That should _never_ happen, can you give further details, including
> your 
> icecast config file?
> 
> Mike
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From gshang at uq.net.au  Sat Mar 22 09:48:29 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 19:48:29 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Directory listing disappeared
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On 21 Mar 2003, Karl Heyes wrote:

> There really isn't that much changed in ices wrt directory services, it
> just invokes an added libshout API call on encode/reencode cases.  Ices
> could do with a tag to enable/disable it though.  Check that you have
> recent versions and if you still have the problem send me the http
> headers that ices is sending.

Well, it was current CVS when I compiled it - 7:48 US EST on Thursday, and
I think there's only been cosmetic and build system changes since then.  I
still have the old version that works available to run as well.

How can I give you the headers that ices sends?  They don't seem to be
logged anywhere that I can think of.  Icecast2 is returning "ice-public: 0"
for that stream though, if that helps.

Geoff.

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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Sat Mar 22 13:23:52 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 22 Mar 2003 13:23:52 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Directory listing disappeared
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On Sat, 2003-03-22 at 09:48, Geoff Shang wrote:
 
> Well, it was current CVS when I compiled it - 7:48 US EST on Thursday, and
> I think there's only been cosmetic and build system changes since then.  I
> still have the old version that works available to run as well.

My updates yesterday were just build related issues, and there's nothing
really dependent on the build there to be an issue
 
> How can I give you the headers that ices sends?  They don't seem to be
> logged anywhere that I can think of.  Icecast2 is returning "ice-public: 0"
> for that stream though, if that helps.

ethereal is a good tool for that, start a capture (maybe with a capture
filter of "port <port>" or "host <ip>" to limit it if the box has plenty
of traffic), connect the source, wait a second then stop the capture.
Pick one of the packets that relates to the source stream and do
tools->follow tcp stream.

I'll check up on the ice-public reference later, it seems to be not
there in the icecast code I have (there's ice-private though).

karl.

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Sat Mar 22 15:04:49 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 01:04:49 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Directory listing disappeared
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On 22 Mar 2003, Karl Heyes wrote:

> ethereal is a good tool for that, start a capture (maybe with a capture
> filter of "port <port>" or "host <ip>" to limit it if the box has plenty
> of traffic), connect the source, wait a second then stop the capture.
> Pick one of the packets that relates to the source stream and do
> tools->follow tcp stream.

uh... I had significant issues following what you typed above, until Kirk
pointed out to me that ethereal was an X11 application.  The X environment
is, at least for now anyway, pretty much inaccessible to blind people, so I
had to make use of something else.

fortunately, setting up netcat on the icecast port worked beautifully.

Here's what the latest ices sent:

SOURCE /egoplay64.ogg HTTP/1.0
Authorization: Basic c291cmNlOmF1ZGlv
ice-name: Kirk's Egoplay
ice-genre: all genres
ice-audio-info: samplerate=44100;channels=2;quality=0%2e00
ice-public: 0
ice-description: An eclectic mix of ogg's from Kirk's vast collection
User-Agent: IceS 2.0beta2
Content-Type: application/ogg

The older version that works sent the following:

SOURCE /egoplay64.ogg HTTP/1.0
ice-name: Kirk's Egoplay
ice-genre: all genres
ice-bitrate: 0
ice-public: 0
ice-description: An eclectic mix of ogg's from Kirk's vast collection
User-Agent: IceS 2.0beta2
Content-Type: application/x-ogg

I confirmed that the old one works and the new one doesn't.  this isn't
application/x-ogg causing trouble again?  Or something else?  I notice
there's no auth stuff on the old one.  hmmm.

Geoff.

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Sat Mar 22 15:20:02 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 01:20:02 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Directory listing disappeared
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On Sun, 23 Mar 2003, Geoff Shang wrote:

> Here's what the latest ices sent:
>
> SOURCE /egoplay64.ogg HTTP/1.0
> Authorization: Basic c291cmNlOmF1ZGlv
> ice-name: Kirk's Egoplay
> ice-genre: all genres
> ice-audio-info: samplerate=44100;channels=2;quality=0%2e00
> ice-public: 0
> ice-description: An eclectic mix of ogg's from Kirk's vast collection
> User-Agent: IceS 2.0beta2
> Content-Type: application/ogg

And here's the problem, right in the icecast error log:

[2003-03-21  23:59:18] EROR yp/yp_submit_url Got a NAK from yp_add(Bitrate
blank) (http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi)
[2003-03-21  23:59:18] EROR yp/yp_submit_url Got a NAK from yp_touch(SID
blank)
(http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi)

Looks like ices changed the format of its headers and the YP script didn't
keep up.

Geoff.

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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Sat Mar 22 16:10:21 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 22 Mar 2003 16:10:21 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Directory listing disappeared
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On Sat, 2003-03-22 at 15:20, Geoff Shang wrote:

> And here's the problem, right in the icecast error log:
> 
> [2003-03-21  23:59:18] EROR yp/yp_submit_url Got a NAK from yp_add(Bitrate
> blank) (http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi)
> [2003-03-21  23:59:18] EROR yp/yp_submit_url Got a NAK from yp_touch(SID
> blank)
> (http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi)
> 
> Looks like ices changed the format of its headers and the YP script didn't
> keep up.

There's no bitrate setting in libshout now, libshout used to send the
provided value (which ices didn't set IIRC, so it was always 0). The
thing is bitrate can be blank so that really isn't an error. I'm
guessing oddsock missed something, I will have a look shortly.

karl.

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From darkeye at tyrell.hu  Sat Mar 22 17:03:04 2003
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2003 18:03:04 +0100
Subject: [icecast] how to specify remote dump file from the source?
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Michael Smith wrote:
> No. Security issues aside (and those would require significant thought), this 
> seems like something of fairly limited usefulness.

But: it works this way in icecast 1.x
also, this feature is very useful?
and what are the security considerations? icecast must be run as a 
properly limited user, and all is secure.

as for usefulness: this is very useful indeed. the live radio stream I 
do is done in 4 hour sessions, with each session saved under a different 
file-name for archiving. how would I achieve the same effect without the 
streaming encoder client telling icecast the name of the archive to save?

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From msmith at xiph.org  Sun Mar 23 02:05:17 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 13:05:17 +1100
Subject: [icecast] how to specify remote dump file from the source?
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On Sunday 23 March 2003 04:03, Akos Maroy wrote:
> Michael Smith wrote:
> > No. Security issues aside (and those would require significant thought),
> > this seems like something of fairly limited usefulness.
>
> But: it works this way in icecast 1.x
> also, this feature is very useful?
> and what are the security considerations? icecast must be run as a
> properly limited user, and all is secure.

Allowing remote sources to write files on the server is clearly something that 
needs significant though put into it as to security. Checking that the 
filename selected should be allowed would not be trivial, it's a lot of work 
for a dubious feature.

>
> as for usefulness: this is very useful indeed. the live radio stream I
> do is done in 4 hour sessions, with each session saved under a different
> file-name for archiving. how would I achieve the same effect without the
> streaming encoder client telling icecast the name of the archive to save?

By telling icecast what filename you want the stream dumped to. This is, I 
would think, fairly obvious.

Mike

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Mon Mar 24 14:04:55 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:04:55 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Unable to get shoutcast sources to work
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Hi:

I have some people who want to be able to broadcast using a shoutcast DSP
plugin with MP3, to an icecast2 server.  But we can't get it to work.
Since I can't be bothered booting one of our boxes into windows to try the
shoutcast DSP itself, I decided to use darkice in shoutcast mode.  I know
this works with shoutcast servers.

anyway, it connects, but only briefly, and then is dropped.  The access
log shows:

144.136.152.97 - - [24/Mar/2003:13:45:37 +0000] "SOURCE / ICY/666" 200 19
"-" "-" 1

The error log shows a bit more:

[2003-03-24  13:45:36] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
logging in
at mountpoint "/"
[2003-03-24  13:45:36] EROR connection/connection_create_source No
content-type
header, falling back to backwards compatibility mode for icecast 1.x
relays. Assuming content is mp3.
[2003-03-24  13:45:36] DBUG source/source_main Source creation complete
[2003-03-24  13:45:37] DBUG source/source_main Disconnecting source due to
socket read error: Success
[2003-03-24  13:45:37] INFO source/source_main Removing source following
disconnection
[2003-03-24  13:45:37] DBUG source/source_main Source exiting

Unfortunately, darkice doesn't help much.  It merely says:

DarkIce: LameLibEncoder.cpp:75: lame lib opening underlying sink error [0]

which is the error that comes up when it can't connect to the server.

Yes, I opened up the port 1 up from the regular port.

any ideas?

Geoff.

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Mon Mar 24 14:34:42 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 00:34:42 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 sig-HUP
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Hi:

I noticed in an icecast2 log that a HUP will reload the server config.
This is a nice feature.  Are there any configuration options that won't
take effect with such a reload, or will it completely take effect?  If the
ports have changed, for example, will these change?

Geoff.

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From VANCOD at PIOS.com  Mon Mar 24 15:30:02 2003
From: VANCOD at PIOS.com (Vanco, Donald)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 10:30:02 -0500
Subject: [icecast] icecast and hw streamer authentication
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Since my last query went ignored let me try a different approach...

I've got a Telos hardware encoder that works under Shoutcast but gets
"authentication errors" when trying to use Icecast.  Here's what I see when
trying to add the Telos as a relay:
[110:Connection Handler] Kicking source 107 [192.168.200.200] [Error in
request, relay refused entrance] [relay], connected for 0 seconds, 0 bytes
transferred. -1 sources connected

...but, as stated, Shoutcast gets in just fine

        Any help appreciated - I want the client to be able to capture the
MP3 stream, and ShoutCast does not allow this.

Don
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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Mar 24 22:54:01 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:54:01 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Unable to get shoutcast sources to work
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On Tuesday 25 March 2003 01:04, Geoff Shang wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I have some people who want to be able to broadcast using a shoutcast DSP
> plugin with MP3, to an icecast2 server.  But we can't get it to work.
> Since I can't be bothered booting one of our boxes into windows to try the
> shoutcast DSP itself, I decided to use darkice in shoutcast mode.  I know
> this works with shoutcast servers.

Might work, but this is untested - the shoutcast "protocol" is very poorly 
defined and different things mis-implement it in different ways.

<p>> [2003-03-24  13:45:36] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
> logging in
> at mountpoint "/"
> [2003-03-24  13:45:36] EROR connection/connection_create_source No
> content-type
> header, falling back to backwards compatibility mode for icecast 1.x
> relays. Assuming content is mp3.
> [2003-03-24  13:45:36] DBUG source/source_main Source creation complete
> [2003-03-24  13:45:37] DBUG source/source_main Disconnecting source due to
> socket read error: Success

That shouldn't be possible, unless... I think it might be possible if the 
source never sends any data at all (just the headers)?

>
> DarkIce: LameLibEncoder.cpp:75: lame lib opening underlying sink error [0]
>
> which is the error that comes up when it can't connect to the server.

Maybe darkice requires a slightly different protocol? icecast in 
shoutcast-compatibility mode stays as close to valid HTTP as possible while 
being compatible with shoutcast sources - maybe darkice is expecting a 
shoutcast-style response or something?

Mike

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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Mar 24 22:55:37 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:55:37 +1100
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 sig-HUP
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On Tuesday 25 March 2003 01:34, Geoff Shang wrote:
> Hi:
>
> I noticed in an icecast2 log that a HUP will reload the server config.
> This is a nice feature.  Are there any configuration options that won't
> take effect with such a reload, or will it completely take effect?  If the
> ports have changed, for example, will these change?
>
> Geoff.

Yes, there are quite a few things that won't take effect. Notably, most of the 
things that affect sources will not do anything on current sources (so you'd 
have to disconnect/reconnect the source), and new ports won't be opened. Some 
of those will likely get filled in over time.

Mike

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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Mar 24 22:56:21 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:56:21 +1100
Subject: [icecast] icecast and hw streamer authentication
In-Reply-To: <454226824160D3118F9D00508B08F15A0C167A38@piouspkldmail.pios.com>
Message-ID: <200303250956.21282.msmith@xiph.org>



On Tuesday 25 March 2003 02:30, Vanco, Donald wrote:
> Since my last query went ignored let me try a different approach...
>
> I've got a Telos hardware encoder that works under Shoutcast but gets
> "authentication errors" when trying to use Icecast.  Here's what I see when
> trying to add the Telos as a relay:
> [110:Connection Handler] Kicking source 107 [192.168.200.200] [Error in
> request, relay refused entrance] [relay], connected for 0 seconds, 0 bytes
> transferred. -1 sources connected
>

This is an icecast 1.x error message. 1.x is deprecated and unsupported. Use 
2.0 instead.

Mike

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Tue Mar 25 03:06:27 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 13:06:27 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Unable to get shoutcast sources to work
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On Tue, 25 Mar 2003, Michael Smith wrote:

> Might work, but this is untested - the shoutcast "protocol" is very poorly
> defined and different things mis-implement it in different ways.

OK, I'll make the supreme sacrifice and boot into windows later today and
test it with the shoutcast DSP.

> > [2003-03-24  13:45:36] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
> > logging in
> > at mountpoint "/"
> > [2003-03-24  13:45:36] EROR connection/connection_create_source No
> > content-type
> > header, falling back to backwards compatibility mode for icecast 1.x
> > relays. Assuming content is mp3.
> > [2003-03-24  13:45:36] DBUG source/source_main Source creation complete
> > [2003-03-24  13:45:37] DBUG source/source_main Disconnecting source due to
> > socket read error: Success
>
> That shouldn't be possible, unless... I think it might be possible if the
> source never sends any data at all (just the headers)?

Well, darkice doesn't log anything useful, so it's a bit difficult to tell.
I'll have a look at tcpdump, maybe, since netcat isn't on the server box.

> Maybe darkice requires a slightly different protocol? icecast in
> shoutcast-compatibility mode stays as close to valid HTTP as possible while
> being compatible with shoutcast sources - maybe darkice is expecting a
> shoutcast-style response or something?

Possibly.  Compatibility with darkice is not really a pressing issue since
darkice has an icecast2 mode, but it's a curiosity.

Geoff.

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From jeff at unsealed.net  Tue Mar 25 05:41:55 2003
From: jeff at unsealed.net (jeff at unsealed.net)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 21:41:55 -0800
Subject: [icecast] building icecast2 on OpenBSD
Message-ID: <1048570915.3e7fec23de0d3@mail.unsealed.net>



Is there anyone who has built icecast2 successfully for OpenBSD? I built it 
from source with no problem on Linux, but on my OBSD system the configure bombs 
while checking for a function in libxslt...

# ./configure
checking for a BSD-compatible install... /usr/bin/install -c
checking whether build environment is sane... yes
checking whether make sets ${MAKE}... yes
checking for working aclocal... found
checking for working autoconf... found
checking for working automake... found
checking for working autoheader... found
checking for working makeinfo... found
checking for gcc... gcc
checking for C compiler default output... a.out
checking whether the C compiler works... yes
checking whether we are cross compiling... no
checking for suffix of executables... 
checking for suffix of object files... o
checking whether we are using the GNU C compiler... yes
checking whether gcc accepts -g... yes
checking build system type... i386-unknown-openbsd3.2
checking host system type... i386-unknown-openbsd3.2
checking for ld used by GCC... /usr/bin/ld
checking if the linker (/usr/bin/ld) is GNU ld... no
checking for /usr/bin/ld option to reload object files... -r
checking for BSD-compatible nm... /usr/bin/nm -B
checking whether ln -s works... yes
checking how to recognise dependant libraries... file_magic OpenBSD.* shared 
library
checking command to parse /usr/bin/nm -B output... ok
checking how to run the C preprocessor... gcc -E
checking for ANSI C header files... yes
checking for sys/types.h... yes
checking for sys/stat.h... yes
checking for stdlib.h... yes
checking for string.h... yes
checking for memory.h... yes
checking for strings.h... yes
checking for inttypes.h... yes
checking for stdint.h... no
checking for unistd.h... yes
checking dlfcn.h usability... yes
checking dlfcn.h presence... yes
checking for dlfcn.h... yes
checking for ranlib... ranlib
checking for strip... strip
checking for objdir... .libs
checking for gcc option to produce PIC... -fPIC
checking if gcc PIC flag -fPIC works... yes
checking if gcc static flag -static works... yes
checking if gcc supports -c -o file.o... yes
checking if gcc supports -c -o file.lo... yes
checking if gcc supports -fno-rtti -fno-exceptions... yes
checking whether the linker (/usr/bin/ld) supports shared libraries... yes
checking how to hardcode library paths into programs... immediate
checking whether stripping libraries is possible... no
checking dynamic linker characteristics... openbsd3.2 ld.so
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build static libraries... yes
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... yes
creating libtool
checking for library containing inet_pton... no
checking for library containing getipnodebyname... no
checking for ANSI C header files... (cached) yes
checking for stdint.h... (cached) no
checking pwd.h usability... yes
checking pwd.h presence... yes
checking for pwd.h... yes
checking for unistd.h... (cached) yes
checking sys/uio.h usability... yes
checking sys/uio.h presence... yes
checking for sys/uio.h... yes
checking for gcc option to accept ANSI C... none needed
checking for an ANSI C-conforming const... yes
checking for socklen_t... yes
checking for nanosleep... no
checking for poll... no
checking for sethostent... no
checking for endhostent... no
checking for getnameinfo... no
checking for getaddrinfo... no
checking for inet_pton... no
checking for xslt-config... xslt-config
checking for xsltParseStylesheetFile... no
configure: error: There was a problem linking with libxslt

the library is in the ld path:

# ldconfig -r | grep xslt
        65:-lexslt.7.18 => /usr/local/lib/libexslt.so.7.18
        66:-lxslt.1.27 => /usr/local/lib/libxslt.so.1.27
        67:-lxsltbreakpoint.1.8 => /usr/local/lib/libxsltbreakpoint.so.1.8

and the symbol is in there:

# nm /usr/local/lib/libxslt.so.1.27 | grep ParseStylesheet
 
000151a4 T _xsltParseStylesheetAttributeSet
0000c51c T _xsltParseStylesheetCallerParam
00003cc0 T _xsltParseStylesheetDoc
00003dcc T _xsltParseStylesheetFile
00014714 T _xsltParseStylesheetImport
00003c58 T _xsltParseStylesheetImportedDoc
00014978 T _xsltParseStylesheetInclude
00000fb8 T _xsltParseStylesheetOutput
0000c8c0 T _xsltParseStylesheetParam
00003a78 T _xsltParseStylesheetProcess
0000c828 T _xsltParseStylesheetVariable

I'm assuming this is an OBSD linking problem, but I dont know my way out of it. 
I've set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable and still get the same 
problem.

the machine:

OpenBSD 3.2-stable (x86)
autoconf-2.52 from package
automake-1.4p6 from package
libogg-1.0 from package
libtool-1.3.5p3 from package
libvorbis-1.0 from package
libxml2-2.5.4 from source
libxslt-1.0.27 from source

the icecast tarball is a snapshot from yesterday. 

icecast1 works fine on the same machine.

thanks in advance for any help.

jeff
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From ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz  Tue Mar 25 05:46:55 2003
From: ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz (Ross Levis)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 17:46:55 +1200
Subject: [icecast] Vorbis streams on Windows Media Player
Message-ID: <84C0CDE57EDD0841880993D82051278E0A0F22@bagheera.internal.cch.co.nz>



I was under the impression that Tobias's Direct Show filters would allow
Windows Media player to play Ogg Vorbis streams, but after testing it
here, apparently it doesn't.  Does anyone know if there is anyway of
making WMP play vorbis streams?

The company I'm involved with who will be creating thousands of internet
stations will most likely need WMP to play the streams, since it is the
most used player software.  I know most of you are
anti-Microsoft/Windows, as I am, but this really needs to happen as soon
as possible if Ogg Vorbis is going to become mainstream.  Perhaps Xiph
needs to employ someone to do it if there are no volunteers.

Regards,
Ross Levis.
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From morgang at newlifemedia.org  Tue Mar 25 05:55:11 2003
From: morgang at newlifemedia.org (Morgan Grammer)
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 23:55:11 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Vorbis streams on Windows Media Player
In-Reply-To: <84C0CDE57EDD0841880993D82051278E0A0F22@bagheera.internal.cch.co.nz>
Message-ID: <015e01c2f293$1a5249f0$4871fd9e@PINNACLE>



I would be in the same ballpark as you, Ross. We are looking at
icecast2/ices as a replacement for our RealAudio streams, as the
licenses we have will expire VERY soon, and we frankly don't have the
money to go dump on new ones. We're looking at serving literally
thousands of listeners, most of which have RealPlayer installed at home
or at work, but have never heard or played with WinAmp, FooBar2000, or
XMMS. A plugin for WMP 8 or 9 would be EXCELLENT. I too was lead to
believe the DirectShow filter would work, but I have yet to be able to
make it do so with a stream... I might be willing to put some $$ toward
making it work as well, and leave it GPLed, if it can be done
reasonably.

Suggestions?

-Morgan Grammer
Director of Engineering and Technology
New Life Media / IBI Radio

<snip>
I was under the impression that Tobias's Direct Show filters would allow
Windows Media player to play Ogg Vorbis streams, but after testing it
here, apparently it doesn't.  Does anyone know if there is anyway of
making WMP play vorbis streams?

The company I'm involved with who will be creating thousands of internet
stations will most likely need WMP to play the streams, since it is the
most used player software.  I know most of you are
anti-Microsoft/Windows, as I am, but this really needs to happen as soon
as possible if Ogg Vorbis is going to become mainstream.  Perhaps Xiph
needs to employ someone to do it if there are no volunteers.

Regards,
Ross Levis.
<snip>

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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Tue Mar 25 06:37:05 2003
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 07:37:05 +0100
Subject: [icecast] building icecast2 on OpenBSD
In-Reply-To: <1048570915.3e7fec23de0d3@mail.unsealed.net>
Message-ID: <3E7FF911.F0ACE5C4@gmx.net>



jeff at unsealed.net wrote:
> Is there anyone who has built icecast2 successfully for OpenBSD? I built it
> from source with no problem on Linux, but on my OBSD system the configure bombs
> while checking for a function in libxslt...

If you look at your config.log, you'll find the actual error to be

ld: -lpthread: no match

If you want threads on OpenBSD, -pthread is the way to go (it's a
wrapper saying "Do whatever you have to, just give me threads.")... most
likely on all platforms with gcc and a non-braindead specs file. Mike
wouldn't believe me, though, so this ain't fixed. :) On OBSD 3.2,
-pthread equals "-lc_r -D_POSIX_THREADS", on OBSD 3.3 it's "-lpthread
-D_POSIX_THREADS" (so this problem will probably go away by itself with
OBSD 3.3), and on my Gentoo Linux it does "-lpthread -D_REENTRANT" ...

Anyways, that's how you fix it for yourself easiest. Edit configure.in,
under

[...]
else
        case $host in
        [...]
        *)
                [...]
-			LIBS=" $LIBS -lpthread"
+			LIBS=" $LIBS -pthread"
                ;;
        esac
fi

change the lpthread to pthread and re-run autogen.sh. The *freebsd* part
also works for OpenBSD. (Changing that, or copying it and then changing
it are other ways to get that going.)

Although I was able to compile Icecast2 some months ago, I now ran into
new problems after the pthread stuff. It currently bombs in src/net ...
if you also have that problem and get around it, please let me know how
you did it. (It might as well just be my very mutated OBSD install,
though... I'll investigate that detail first before complaining further.
:) )

<p>Moritz
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From gshang at uq.net.au  Tue Mar 25 06:45:08 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 16:45:08 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Broadcast for peace
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303251635040.1007-100000@data.home>



Hello:

If you are not interested in this initiative, you will not be bothered
again.  If you are, please feel free to forward this to other interested
people.

<p>From: Jonathan Mosen <jonathan at mosen.org>

Shortly after 02:30 GMT on Thursday 20 March, the United States and it's
allies including the UK and Australia launched pre-emptive strikes
against Iraq. Pre-emptive strikes are illegal in international law! "All
Members shall refrain in their international relations from the threat
or use of force against the territorial integrity or political
independence of any state, or in any other manner inconsistent with the
Purposes of the United Nations." Charter of the United Nations, Article
2.4

Broadcast4Peace.org, to go live shortly, seeks to assist in raising
awareness of the illegality of the invasion of Iraq, both through this
web site, and a marathon web cast to commence shortly.

Further, we appeal to visitors to contribute to relief efforts, by
donating what you can to independent international humanitarian
organisations such as the RED CROSS.

We are inviting all webcasters who share our vision to join us in this
broadcast for peace. A common server will be available and webcasters
may be allocated time on this server to broadcast for peace. We will
also consider requests to relay the broadcast on your own station.

As the domain will take some time to propagate, if you are interested in
broadcasting for peace, please contact me at mailto:jonathan at mosen.org

Thanks for reading and we look forward to those of like mind joining us
in our broadcast for peace.

        Jonathan Mosen

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From msmith at xiph.org  Tue Mar 25 07:25:05 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:25:05 +1100
Subject: [icecast] building icecast2 on OpenBSD
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Message-ID: <200303251825.05706.msmith@xiph.org>



> checking for xslt-config... xslt-config
> checking for xsltParseStylesheetFile... no
> configure: error: There was a problem linking with libxslt

There will be a more detailed error message in config.log, can you find that 
and send the list that part of the log file?

Mike

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From msmith at xiph.org  Tue Mar 25 07:28:00 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:28:00 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Vorbis streams on Windows Media Player
In-Reply-To: <015e01c2f293$1a5249f0$4871fd9e@PINNACLE>
Message-ID: <200303251828.00058.msmith@xiph.org>



On Tuesday 25 March 2003 16:55, Morgan Grammer wrote:
> I would be in the same ballpark as you, Ross. We are looking at
> icecast2/ices as a replacement for our RealAudio streams, as the
> licenses we have will expire VERY soon, and we frankly don't have the
> money to go dump on new ones. We're looking at serving literally
> thousands of listeners, most of which have RealPlayer installed at home
> or at work, but have never heard or played with WinAmp, FooBar2000, or
> XMMS. A plugin for WMP 8 or 9 would be EXCELLENT. I too was lead to
> believe the DirectShow filter would work, but I have yet to be able to
> make it do so with a stream... I might be willing to put some $$ toward
> making it work as well, and leave it GPLed, if it can be done
> reasonably.

There's a realplayer plugin (I know you didn't ask for that, but you did say 
that most of your listeners have realplayer) available, I don't know how good 
it is w.r.t. things like streaming, I'll see if I can find out more.

I know more people that use realplayer than use WMP as their primary music 
player (on the other hand, that's 1 vs. 0 out of a sample size of several 
dozen... which suggests that the people I know aren't entirely typical).

Since the directshow filters are closed source, we can't help with them at all 
(I don't think any of the developers ever claimed they had any ability to 
receive streams - though I suspect if they don't it's just a bug).

Mike

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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Tue Mar 25 14:08:57 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 25 Mar 2003 14:08:57 +0000
Subject: [icecast] building icecast2 on OpenBSD
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On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 05:41, jeff at unsealed.net wrote:

> checking for xslt-config... xslt-config
> checking for xsltParseStylesheetFile... no
> configure: error: There was a problem linking with libxslt
> 
> the library is in the ld path:
> 
> # ldconfig -r | grep xslt
>         65:-lexslt.7.18 => /usr/local/lib/libexslt.so.7.18
>         66:-lxslt.1.27 => /usr/local/lib/libxslt.so.1.27
>         67:-lxsltbreakpoint.1.8 => /usr/local/lib/libxsltbreakpoint.so.1.8
> 
> and the symbol is in there:
> 
> # nm /usr/local/lib/libxslt.so.1.27 | grep ParseStylesheet
... 
> I'm assuming this is an OBSD linking problem, but I dont know my way out of it. 
> I've set the LD_LIBRARY_PATH environment variable and still get the same 
> problem.

If it's the same issue as in linux then it sounds like you are missing
the .so file, which is typically a link to the so.N.N files but I'm not
that sure on *BSD.  You may have separate packages for installing those
links/files

karl.

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Tue Mar 25 14:28:35 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:28:35 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Directory listing disappeared
In-Reply-To: <1048349421.1015.135.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030325082758.0330add8@www.oddsock.org>



yep, I did miss it, it's fixed now...sorry about that....

oddsock
At 04:10 PM 3/22/2003 +0000, you wrote:
>On Sat, 2003-03-22 at 15:20, Geoff Shang wrote:
>
> > And here's the problem, right in the icecast error log:
> >
> > [2003-03-21  23:59:18] EROR yp/yp_submit_url Got a NAK from yp_add(Bitrate
> > blank) (http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi)
> > [2003-03-21  23:59:18] EROR yp/yp_submit_url Got a NAK from yp_touch(SID
> > blank)
> > (http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi)
> >
> > Looks like ices changed the format of its headers and the YP script didn't
> > keep up.
>
>There's no bitrate setting in libshout now, libshout used to send the
>provided value (which ices didn't set IIRC, so it was always 0). The
>thing is bitrate can be blank so that really isn't an error. I'm
>guessing oddsock missed something, I will have a look shortly.
>
>karl.
>
>
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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Tue Mar 25 14:35:11 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 25 Mar 2003 14:35:11 +0000
Subject: [icecast] building icecast2 on OpenBSD
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On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 06:37, gtgbr at gmx.net wrote:

> change the lpthread to pthread and re-run autogen.sh. The *freebsd* part
> also works for OpenBSD. (Changing that, or copying it and then changing
> it are other ways to get that going.)

the autotools side needs updating for icecast, it's mostly done for
libshout and ices.
 
> Although I was able to compile Icecast2 some months ago, I now ran into
> new problems after the pthread stuff. It currently bombs in src/net ...
> if you also have that problem and get around it, please let me know how
> you did it. (It might as well just be my very mutated OBSD install,
> though... I'll investigate that detail first before complaining further.

can you let me know what the error reported is ?

karl.

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From kerry.cox at ksl.com  Tue Mar 25 15:07:46 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 25 Mar 2003 08:07:46 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Determining # of connections in a given period using the icecast.log file
Message-ID: <1048604869.14535.13.camel@quasi.ksl.com>


Anyone have a script for figuring out the total number of connections in
a given period of time? 
I need something that will parse through my icecast.log file and will
state the amount of connection established in a given day. I need it to
look for connections on a certain day and for the "Accepted client"
variable.
Management wants to know exactly how many established connections we
have been serving up since the conflict in Iraq began.
I guess I could write something, but my coding skills are so poor and I
am certain someone has already written something like this.
Thanks.
KJ


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From jack at xiph.org  Tue Mar 25 15:53:39 2003
From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 08:53:39 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Determining # of connections in a given period using the icecast.log file
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> Anyone have a script for figuring out the total number of connections in
> a given period of time? 
> I need something that will parse through my icecast.log file and will
> state the amount of connection established in a given day. I need it to
> look for connections on a certain day and for the "Accepted client"
> variable.

Any of the normal apache log parsers should work, but you'll want to
parse access.log not icecast.log.

jack.
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From jeff at unsealed.net  Tue Mar 25 17:21:00 2003
From: jeff at unsealed.net (jeff at unsealed.net)
Date: Tue, 25 Mar 2003 09:21:00 -0800
Subject: [icecast] building icecast2 on OpenBSD
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> > from source with no problem on Linux, but on my OBSD system the configure
> bombs
> > while checking for a function in libxslt...
> 
> If you look at your config.log, you'll find the actual error to be
> 
> ld: -lpthread: no match
> 
> If you want threads on OpenBSD, -pthread is the way to go (it's a
> wrapper saying "Do whatever you have to, just give me threads.")... most
> likely on all platforms with gcc and a non-braindead specs file. Mike
> wouldn't believe me, though, so this ain't fixed. :) On OBSD 3.2,
> -pthread equals "-lc_r -D_POSIX_THREADS", on OBSD 3.3 it's "-lpthread
> -D_POSIX_THREADS" (so this problem will probably go away by itself with
> OBSD 3.3), and on my Gentoo Linux it does "-lpthread -D_REENTRANT" ...

you were right, Moritz. i saw the error in config.log earlier and didnt really 
know what to make of it. changing "-lpthread" to "-pthread" in the configure.in 
for *) did the trick. now im in the same boat as you: gmake fails in src/net - 
syntax errors from a few headers included in sock.c (<arpa/inet.h> and 
<sys/socket.h>), and a fatal error in sock.c (sock_connected) at line 397 (wfds 
undeclared), after a syntax error on line 389.

thanks for the help, and hopefully this points someone in the right direction.

jeff
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From dachande at gmx.net  Tue Mar 25 23:41:01 2003
From: dachande at gmx.net (Daniel Seebald)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 00:41:01 +0100
Subject: [icecast] No Metadata with latest icecast2
Message-ID: <3E80E90D.4020109@gmx.net>



Hi,

ince I have compiled the latest version of icecast, no
Metadata are shown on the Status-Page of Icecast2
when streaming with oddcast or ices2.

Is there already any fix available for that?


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From ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz  Wed Mar 26 03:35:09 2003
From: ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz (Ross Levis)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:35:09 +1200
Subject: [icecast] OddCastDSP & SQRSoft crossfader problem
Message-ID: <84C0CDE57EDD0841880993D82051278E0A0F2D@bagheera.internal.cch.co.nz>



I've not had a reply on the OddSock forum so I'll try here.

I am attempting to use the OddCastDSP Winamp2 plugin via the (free)
SQRSoft Advanced Crossfading output plugin
(http://www.sqrsoft.com.ar/en/plugins.html).  This is necessary to
provide intelligent crossfading which sounds very professional.  I've
not heard of any other crossfading algorithm that works so well.  It
uses the volume of the outgoing & incoming songs to establish the length
& position of the crossfade.

A lot of people use this crossfader with the shoutcast DSP and it works
perfectly.  It also works perfectly with the OddCastDSP providing the
OddCast sample rate is set to 44100.  Attempting to stream at 22050
causes an immediate crash of Winamp.  I doubt it is a problem with the
crossfader plugin but I guess that may be possible.

Anyway, I thought I would make the problem known here and hopefully
Oddsock can have a look at it soon.

Regards,
Ross Levis.
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From ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz  Wed Mar 26 03:57:02 2003
From: ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz (Ross Levis)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 15:57:02 +1200
Subject: [icecast] OddCastDSP & SQRSoft crossfader problem
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] OddCastDSP & SQRSoft crossfader problem>
Message-ID: <84C0CDE57EDD0841880993D82051278E0A0F2F@bagheera.internal.cch.co.nz>



Further to this problem.  It only occurs ar 22050 mono.  22050 stereo
and 44100 mono works.

Here is the exception error details:
AppName: winamp.exe	 AppVer: 2.8.1.0	 ModName:
dsp_oddcast.dll
ModVer: 0.0.0.0	 Offset: 00006c65

Regards,
Ross Levis.
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From swiftbiscuit at yahoo.co.uk  Wed Mar 26 10:29:55 2003
From: swiftbiscuit at yahoo.co.uk (SwiftBiscuit)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 02:29:55 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] OddCastDSP & SQRSoft crossfader problem
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Hey Ross,
My first thought was a page size issue similar to that
which Karl helped me with before.
http://www.xiph.org/archives/icecast/3701.html

But now I recall someone else's crossfader dying with
a 22k mono file off my hard disk. Maybe someone with
more knowledge can help.

Regards,
M.

BTW - The archive search gives me "The requested
method POST is not allowed for the URL /archives/scripts/mail_search.pl."

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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar 26 10:43:58 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:43:58 +1100
Subject: [icecast] OddCastDSP & SQRSoft crossfader problem
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>
> BTW - The archive search gives me "The requested
> method POST is not allowed for the URL /archives/scripts/mail_search.pl."
>

The archive search does appear to be broken at the moment, I'll try and track 
this down and fix it or get it fixed.

Mike

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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar 26 10:47:02 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:47:02 +1100
Subject: [icecast] No Metadata with latest icecast2
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On Wednesday 26 March 2003 10:41, Daniel Seebald wrote:
> Hi,
>
> since I have compiled the latest version of icecast, no
> Metadata are shown on the Status-Page of Icecast2
> when streaming with oddcast or ices2.
>
> Is there already any fix available for that?

Just tested this, it works perfectly. I suspect you've misconfigured 
something.

Mike

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From dachande at gmx.net  Wed Mar 26 12:04:29 2003
From: dachande at gmx.net (Daniel Seebald)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:04:29 +0100
Subject: [icecast] No Metadata with latest icecast2
In-Reply-To: <200303262147.02599.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <3E81974D.5020701@gmx.net>



Michael Smith wrote:

>Just tested this, it works perfectly. I suspect you've misconfigured 
>something.
>
>Mike
>
>  
>
Maybe you're right and I really misconfigured something,
but I can't find anything in my config and I just compiled
the latest version of icecast from cvs.

Could you send me your actual configuration or upload it
somewhere so I can compare it with mine? (Don't forget to
blank out passwords etc ;)

Thanx...


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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar 26 12:33:13 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:33:13 +1100
Subject: [icecast] No Metadata with latest icecast2
In-Reply-To: <3E81974D.5020701@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <200303262333.13780.msmith@xiph.org>



On Wednesday 26 March 2003 23:04, Daniel Seebald wrote:
> Michael Smith wrote:
> >Just tested this, it works perfectly. I suspect you've misconfigured
> >something.
> >
> >Mike
>
> Maybe you're right and I really misconfigured something,
> but I can't find anything in my config and I just compiled
> the latest version of icecast from cvs.
>
> Could you send me your actual configuration or upload it
> somewhere so I can compare it with mine? (Don't forget to
> blank out passwords etc ;)
>
> Thanx...

There's nothing notable or unusual about my config files - they have lots of 
development/experimental things turned on, but nothing that is in any way 
related to metadata. 

If this was a problem anyone else had been having, I would expect there to 
have been more reports of it here (and/or elsewhere), so I think it's almost 
certainly just your setup.

Mike

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From dachande at gmx.net  Wed Mar 26 12:44:06 2003
From: dachande at gmx.net (Daniel Seebald)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:44:06 +0100
Subject: [icecast] No Metadata with latest icecast2
In-Reply-To: <200303262333.13780.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <3E81A096.9050609@gmx.net>



Michael Smith wrote:

>There's nothing notable or unusual about my config files - they have lots of 
>development/experimental things turned on, but nothing that is in any way 
>related to metadata. 
>
>If this was a problem anyone else had been having, I would expect there to 
>have been more reports of it here (and/or elsewhere), so I think it's almost 
>certainly just your setup.
>
>Mike
>
Do you know where I could search for a reason for my problem?
I compiled it like the older versions of icecast but they never had any 
problems like that.
I'm also using the latest versions of oddcast and ices so I don't think 
that these programs
are sending false headers to the icecast server.


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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk  Wed Mar 26 12:50:06 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 26 Mar 2003 12:50:06 +0000
Subject: [icecast] No Metadata with latest icecast2
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On Tue, 2003-03-25 at 23:41, Daniel Seebald wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> since I have compiled the latest version of icecast, no
> Metadata are shown on the Status-Page of Icecast2
> when streaming with oddcast or ices2.

Can you check with a player like ogg123 that there's metadata coming
through. 

karl.

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From dachande at gmx.net  Wed Mar 26 12:50:01 2003
From: dachande at gmx.net (Daniel Seebald)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 13:50:01 +0100
Subject: [icecast] No Metadata with latest icecast2
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Karl Heyes wrote:

>Can you check with a player like ogg123 that there's metadata coming
>through. 
>
>karl.
>
ok, i will check this later...have to get back to work now ;)

btw, the only data transmitted is what song is currently been played, 
nothing else.
(on the statuspage of icecast and in my player which is winamp)
 

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Wed Mar 26 13:09:46 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:09:46 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Behaviour of server-side stream dump
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0303262307170.603-100000@data.home>



Hi:

If a source connects to a mount that has the stream dump enabled and the
file already exists, which of the following will happen:

1.  the old file is overwritten.

2.  The new stream is appended to the old one.

3.  Either the old or new file is written with a modified name so that they
can both exist.

Thanks,
Geoff.

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From chris at wiesneronline.net  Wed Mar 26 16:54:28 2003
From: chris at wiesneronline.net (Christian HJ Wiesner)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:54:28 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Re: Vorbis streams on Windows Media Player
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Michael Smith wrote:
> Since the directshow filters are closed source, we can't help with them at all 
> (I don't think any of the developers ever claimed they had any ability to 
> receive streams - though I suspect if they don't it's just a bug). 
> Mike

Please, no overreaction .... i come in peace :) !

All i know on this matter was that Tobias had plans to make his filter 
accept HTTP streams, and that even a mod of icecast was discussed to be 
able to stream OGM. This was all done between Tobias and the Corecodec 
people, *before* he announced he would join Xiph for making Theora.

Since then nobody has received a sign of Life from Tobias anymore :-( 
.... a severe RLI this must be ...

Christian

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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Wed Mar 26 13:39:48 2003
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 14:39:48 +0100
Subject: [icecast] solved: building icecast2 on OpenBSD
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Hi,

<p>the following steps are necessary to successfully compile Icecast2 (as
of today) on OpenBSD. This workaround is based on Karl Heyes' findings
that _XOPEN_SOURCE is the root of all evil, at least on OBSD:

1. "autoconf version problems"

OpenBSD 3.2: change all "autoconf" in autogen.sh to "autoconf-new"
OpenBSD 3.3: $ export AUTOCONF_VERSION=2.52

2. configure.in

line 14: replace _XOPEN_SOURCE with _XOPEN_SOURCE_EXTENDED
         or
         comment out the whole thing by putting "dnl " in front of it.
         (I'm currently trying to figure out which is The Right Way
         to do it, both seem to work.)
line 54: replace -lpthread with -pthread

3. run `autogen.sh --help` to create the configure script without
   having it do its checks

4. configure:

Open the configure script in an editor, search for "--no-verify" and
delete that parameter from the line starting with "$libtool_flags"

5. run configure with the necessary parameters to find libogg,
   libvorbis and libcurl:

$ ./configure --with-ogg-prefix=/usr/local \
              --with-vorbis-prefix=/usr/local \
              --with-curl=/usr/local

6. `gmake`

7. `sudo gmake install`

8. See if icecast2 works correctly :) I couldn't test that, yet. There
used to be a problem on OpenBSD where Icecast2 triggered something that
looks like a compiler bug. a % b would result in ridiculously high
numbers, breaking things. In case this still happens, investigating it
might be a good idea ('cause who knows what other platform triggers it,
too). Good luck.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Mar 26 22:55:28 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 09:55:28 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Behaviour of server-side stream dump
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On Thursday 27 March 2003 00:09, Geoff Shang wrote:
> Hi:
>
> If a source connects to a mount that has the stream dump enabled and the
> file already exists, which of the following will happen:
>
> 1.  the old file is overwritten.
>
> 2.  The new stream is appended to the old one.
>
> 3.  Either the old or new file is written with a modified name so that they
> can both exist.
>
> Thanks,
> Geoff.

Option 2. Files will be appended.

Mike

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From jeff at unsealed.net  Thu Mar 27 00:38:34 2003
From: jeff at unsealed.net (jeff at unsealed.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 16:38:34 -0800
Subject: [icecast] solved: building icecast2 on OpenBSD
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Icecast2 compiles on OpenBSD 3.2 with the steps outlined by Moritz (thanks for 
that). I'm running into problems streaming ogg files from the fileserve 
directory, although serving mp3 files from the same directory happens without a 
hitch...again, both work fine on a Debian system. I'll try building the ogg and 
vorbis libraries from source to see if that fixes anything (they are currently 
from packages).

from the logfiles:

(access.log)
10.10.20.11 - - [26/Mar/2003:16:30:57 -0800] "GET /test.ogg HTTP/1.0" 200 
2815404 "-" "Nullsoft Winamp3 version 3.0c build 488" 1 
10.10.20.11 - - [26/Mar/2003:16:33:23 -0800] "GET /test.mp3 HTTP/1.0" 200 
860205 "-" "Nullsoft Winamp3 version 3.0c build 488" 33

(error.log - same for both files)
[2003-03-26  16:31:15] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Client connected

Quoting gtgbr at gmx

> 8. See if icecast2 works correctly :) I couldn't test that, yet. There
> used to be a problem on OpenBSD where Icecast2 triggered something that
> looks like a compiler bug. a % b would result in ridiculously high
> numbers, breaking things. In case this still happens, investigating it
> might be a good idea ('cause who knows what other platform triggers it,
> too). Good luck.

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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au  Thu Mar 27 01:05:55 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:05:55 +1100
Subject: [icecast] solved: building icecast2 on OpenBSD
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jeff at unsealed.net said:

> Icecast2 compiles on OpenBSD 3.2 with the steps outlined by Moritz (thanks for 
> that). I'm running into problems streaming ogg files from the fileserve 
> directory, although serving mp3 files from the same directory happens without a 
> hitch...again, both work fine on a Debian system. I'll try building the ogg and 
> vorbis libraries from source to see if that fixes anything (they are currently 
> from packages).
> 
> from the logfiles:
> 
> (access.log)
> 10.10.20.11 - - [26/Mar/2003:16:30:57 -0800] "GET /test.ogg HTTP/1.0" 200 
> 2815404 "-" "Nullsoft Winamp3 version 3.0c build 488" 1 
> 10.10.20.11 - - [26/Mar/2003:16:33:23 -0800] "GET /test.mp3 HTTP/1.0" 200 
> 860205 "-" "Nullsoft Winamp3 version 3.0c build 488" 33
> 
> (error.log - same for both files)
> [2003-03-26  16:31:15] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Client connected
> 

These logs suggests that everything is working perfectly. I suspect your
client is broken (winamp3 is widely considered to be a steaming heap of...
well, something - and for good reason, it's vastly buggier than 2.x)

Mike

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From jeff at unsealed.net  Thu Mar 27 01:25:54 2003
From: jeff at unsealed.net (jeff at unsealed.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 17:25:54 -0800
Subject: [icecast] solved: building icecast2 on OpenBSD
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> These logs suggests that everything is working perfectly. I suspect your
> client is broken (winamp3 is widely considered to be a steaming heap of...
> well, something - and for good reason, it's vastly buggier than 2.x)

and to wrap all this up:

icecast2 works fine on OBSD3.2, and yes, winamp3 was the problem. no issues 
with XMMS. my bad...

thanks for all the help.

jeff
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From diletone at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 27 02:10:34 2003
From: diletone at hotmail.com (Dan Johnson)
Date: Wed, 26 Mar 2003 23:10:34 -0300
Subject: [icecast] Tutorial For Icecast
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Hey all I am a Linux newbie wanting to broadcast with MD 9.1 and icecast. I 
have been broadcasting on shoutcast with winamp with success but want a more 
stable system. Where can I find a tutorial to set everything up? I checked 
icecast.org but there isnt much there. So can anyone help?
Thanks In Advance!

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From kerry.cox at ksl.com  Thu Mar 27 02:13:48 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 26 Mar 2003 19:13:48 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Tutorial For Icecast
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There are several good tutorials out there. Many have already been
mentioned on this list. Perhaps check the archives.
I set up one awhile back: http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/
Maybe that one will help you out. It works great for me. I'm using both
icecast1 and icecast2 on our network. Popularity is slowly growing for
the ogg stream.
KJ

On Wed, 2003-03-26 at 19:10, Dan Johnson wrote:
> Hey all I am a Linux newbie wanting to broadcast with MD 9.1 and icecast. I 
> have been broadcasting on shoutcast with winamp with success but want a more 
> stable system. Where can I find a tutorial to set everything up? I checked 
> icecast.org but there isnt much there. So can anyone help?
> Thanks In Advance!
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From boink at tetter.xs4all.nl  Thu Mar 27 07:29:56 2003
From: boink at tetter.xs4all.nl (boink)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 08:29:56 +0100
Subject: [icecast] solved: building icecast2 on OpenBSD
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don't use Winamp 3. it doesn't work with ogg. try Winamp 2.8 instead or
even better Foobar2000.

boink

On Wed, Mar 26, 2003 at 04:38:34PM -0800, jeff at unsealed.net wrote:
> Icecast2 compiles on OpenBSD 3.2 with the steps outlined by Moritz (thanks for 
> that). I'm running into problems streaming ogg files from the fileserve 
> directory, although serving mp3 files from the same directory happens without a 
> hitch...again, both work fine on a Debian system. I'll try building the ogg and 
> vorbis libraries from source to see if that fixes anything (they are currently 
> from packages).
> 
> from the logfiles:
> 
> (access.log)
> 10.10.20.11 - - [26/Mar/2003:16:30:57 -0800] "GET /test.ogg HTTP/1.0" 200 
> 2815404 "-" "Nullsoft Winamp3 version 3.0c build 488" 1 
> 10.10.20.11 - - [26/Mar/2003:16:33:23 -0800] "GET /test.mp3 HTTP/1.0" 200 
> 860205 "-" "Nullsoft Winamp3 version 3.0c build 488" 33
> 
> (error.log - same for both files)
> [2003-03-26  16:31:15] DBUG connection/_handle_get_request Client connected
> 
> Quoting gtgbr at gmx
> 
> > 8. See if icecast2 works correctly :) I couldn't test that, yet. There
> > used to be a problem on OpenBSD where Icecast2 triggered something that
> > looks like a compiler bug. a % b would result in ridiculously high
> > numbers, breaking things. In case this still happens, investigating it
> > might be a good idea ('cause who knows what other platform triggers it,
> > too). Good luck.
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From barroca at dcc.ufmg.br  Thu Mar 27 15:13:06 2003
From: barroca at dcc.ufmg.br (Leonardo Luiz Padovani da Mata)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:13:06 -0300 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Video stream with icecast
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Hello ALL!!!
It is possible to deliver video stream with icecast?
Can anyone show me some links that say about it?

thanks!

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From msmith at xiph.org  Thu Mar 27 22:01:12 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 09:01:12 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Video stream with icecast
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On Friday 28 March 2003 02:13, Leonardo Luiz Padovani da Mata wrote:
> Hello ALL!!!
> It is possible to deliver video stream with icecast?
> Can anyone show me some links that say about it?
>

Not currently. Adding support for specific video formats would likely not be 
difficult.

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From juanfer at juanfer.com.ar  Fri Mar 28 02:59:24 2003
From: juanfer at juanfer.com.ar (Pardo Juan Fernando)
Date: 27 Mar 2003 23:59:24 -0300
Subject: [icecast] About Icecast2 and Ices
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Hi...
I am actualy useing Icecast 1.3.12 with Liveice, and i want to start use
Icecast2, but i have some questions...
a) Is Icecast2 stable ? more than Icecast 1.3.12 ?
b) I need transmit direct by LINE-IN in my Sound Card. Ices support
that? If no, what audio source client can i use ?
c) Can Ices mix Line-in and microphone ?

Thanks...

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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au  Fri Mar 28 03:22:48 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 14:22:48 +1100
Subject: [icecast] About Icecast2 and Ices
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Pardo Juan Fernando <juanfer at juanfer.com.ar> said:

> Hi...
> I am actualy useing Icecast 1.3.12 with Liveice, and i want to start use
> Icecast2, but i have some questions...
> a) Is Icecast2 stable ? more than Icecast 1.3.12 ?

Yes, and 'at least as'.

> b) I need transmit direct by LINE-IN in my Sound Card. Ices support
> that? If no, what audio source client can i use ?

Yes, ices can do that.

> c) Can Ices mix Line-in and microphone ?
> 

Ices performs no mixing internally, so unless your sound hardware has this
capability, no. ices can take data from external sources, though, so you can
mix in an external application and use ices solely for encoding and sending to
the server.

Mike

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From djsnm at djsnm.com  Fri Mar 28 03:46:28 2003
From: djsnm at djsnm.com (Scott Manley)
Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:46:28 -0800
Subject: [icecast] About Icecast2 and Ices
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If you're doing this with liveice then you'll be able to do it with Ices 
in the same way.

> 
>>c) Can Ices mix Line-in and microphone ?
>>
> 
> 
> Ices performs no mixing internally, so unless your sound hardware has this
> capability, no. ices can take data from external sources, though, so you can
> mix in an external application and use ices solely for encoding and sending to
> the server.
> 
> 

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From devin at moonglade.com  Sat Mar 29 13:50:07 2003
From: devin at moonglade.com (Devin Campbell)
Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 08:50:07 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Winamp3 (was solved: building icecast2 on OpenBSD)
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While I agree Winamp 3 has some serious problems, I just wanted
to throw out a couple observations that I made about it recently.

Running Icecast2/IceS from CVS about two months ago streamed perfectly to
the public release of Winamp3 (build #488).  I ran it for several weeks
with absolutely no problems.

Updated Icecast2 and IceS from CVS a week or so ago and it didn't work
at all (constant prebuffering).

Found this thread on the Winamp3 forums:
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=efa97392c58637fddf0bdbaf09bbd9f0&t
hreadid=125418&highlight=icecast

which suggests a newer build (#495) which has fixed the problem for me:
http://download.nullsoft.com/winamp/client/wa3install_build495.exe

Only issue is that you HAVE to uninstall the previous version of Winamp3
before installing this build or it behaves really poorly.

So, at least there is a fix available for this specific problem and they are
making progress in the right direction.

Devin

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From darkeye at tyrell.hu  Sun Mar 30 15:14:37 2003
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:14:37 +0200
Subject: [icecast] [Bug 313] server side stream dump feature request
Message-ID: <3E8709DD.6020506@tyrell.hu>



I'll continue the discussion here, since it may be a more appropriate
place then in the bugzilla. Regarding the above bug, found at
http://bugs.xiph.org/show_bug.cgi?id=313

the last remark is:

> Allowing connecting clients to specify a dump file will not be
> implemented in the forseeable future, unless a patch is contributed
> (it's a large amount of work to do so).
> 
> Since the config file can now be dynamically reloaded, new dump
> locations can be specified without restarting the server.

<p>Can you tell me more about this reloading feature? how does it affect 
the dump file? it closes the old file, and opens a new one if another 
file name is specified in the newly read config file? how do the clients 
experience this re-read of the config file? do they get dropped? what 
about the source client? how do I re-read the config file?

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From bcasci at runbox.com  Sun Mar 30 17:13:14 2003
From: bcasci at runbox.com (Brandon)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 12:13:14 -0500
Subject: [icecast] kicking clients
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Hello

Is there a way to set a connection time limit for clients, or a way to kick
a client?

I'm running Icecast2 on a hosted box and I think some people have been tuned
into it for days...and that could some day run up  a hefty bandwidth charge.

You'd hope that people would disconnect when they were done listening..but
they don't all do that.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Sun Mar 30 23:12:51 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 10:12:51 +1100
Subject: [icecast] kicking clients
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On Monday 31 March 2003 03:13, Brandon wrote:
> Hello
>
> Is there a way to set a connection time limit for clients, or a way to kick
> a client?
>
> I'm running Icecast2 on a hosted box and I think some people have been
> tuned into it for days...and that could some day run up  a hefty bandwidth
> charge.
>
> You'd hope that people would disconnect when they were done listening..but
> they don't all do that.
>

You can kick individual clients manually, but not automatically based on 
time-connected.

Mike

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From swave at mara.org  Mon Mar 31 03:53:15 2003
From: swave at mara.org (Steve Meuse)
Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 22:53:15 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Question/Feature Request
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Using Ices2, is it possible to take 2 mono sources that are presented to 
the soundcard as the left and right channel, and make each of them a seperate
mount point?

My sources are all low bandwidth mono, and I would love to have a second 
stream without having to add a second soundcard or a second machine. 

I looked through the documentation, but I don't recall seeing this specific
ability. Am I asking for the impossible? (or too much work to be worthwhile).

-Steve


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From gshang at uq.net.au  Mon Mar 31 05:55:20 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 15:55:20 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Question/Feature Request
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Hi:

Well, your main problem is that only 1 process will be able to read from
the soundcard.  I can think of a bit of hackery that might work though.

If you're running ALSA, I believe there's a switch for arecord that will
cause the left channel to go to 1 file and the right to go to another.  If
you got it to write these to FIFOs then maybe ices could use its wav input?
hmmm, the header would be a problem.  Don't think ices will do headerless
PCM from a file.  hmmm.

OK, the short answer is, not easily.

Geoff.

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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au  Mon Mar 31 06:09:08 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:09:08 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Question/Feature Request
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Geoff Shang <gshang at uq.net.au> said:

> Hi:
> 
> Well, your main problem is that only 1 process will be able to read from
> the soundcard.  I can think of a bit of hackery that might work though.
> 
> If you're running ALSA, I believe there's a switch for arecord that will
> cause the left channel to go to 1 file and the right to go to another.  If
> you got it to write these to FIFOs then maybe ices could use its wav input?
> hmmm, the header would be a problem.  Don't think ices will do headerless
> PCM from a file.  hmmm.
> 

ices currently ONLY supports headerless PCM from a file, so that particular
problem is not a real issue. I suppose this approach might work, though it's
far from a neat approach.

Mike

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From bcasci at runbox.com  Mon Mar 31 05:40:30 2003
From: bcasci at runbox.com (Brandon)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 00:40:30 -0500
Subject: [icecast] kicking clients
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> You can kick individual clients manually, but not automatically based on
> time-connected.
>
> Mike

Ahh...that cool, better than nothing.

Well if there is an Icecast2  wishlist then hopefully specifying a client
connection time limit can be added to it. I've been using Shoutcast for
sometime as well, and being able to specify a connection time limit has bee
very useful.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Mar 31 08:59:44 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 19:59:44 +1100
Subject: [icecast] kicking clients
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On Monday 31 March 2003 15:40, Brandon wrote:
> > You can kick individual clients manually, but not automatically based on
> > time-connected.
> >
> > Mike
>
> Ahh...that cool, better than nothing.
>
> Well if there is an Icecast2  wishlist then hopefully specifying a client
> connection time limit can be added to it. I've been using Shoutcast for
> sometime as well, and being able to specify a connection time limit has bee
> very useful.
>

That would not be difficult to add (we already keep track of how long a client 
has been connected for) - but I doubt it'll be all that effective. A LOT of 
clients auto-reconnect if they lose the connection, so this has little to no 
effect.

Mike

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From dachande at gmx.net  Mon Mar 31 10:48:40 2003
From: dachande at gmx.net (Daniel Seebald)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 12:48:40 +0200
Subject: [icecast] kicking sources
Message-ID: <3E881D08.1050007@gmx.net>



Hi,

I've just seen a new thread asking about kicking clients off the server
and wondered, if there is a feature to kick sources off the server as well.
This would be very useful if the server is used by multiple djs on
a radio-station with a timetable. So when a dj forgets to stop his 
livestream
the next dj could just kick the source instead of killing and restarting 
the whole
server. (Because that would kill everything if the server is running 
multiple sources).


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CU... Daniel

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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Mar 31 10:50:44 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:50:44 +1100
Subject: [icecast] kicking sources
In-Reply-To: <3E881D08.1050007@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <200303312050.44712.msmith@xiph.org>



On Monday 31 March 2003 20:48, Daniel Seebald wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've just seen a new thread asking about kicking clients off the server
> and wondered, if there is a feature to kick sources off the server as well.
> This would be very useful if the server is used by multiple djs on
> a radio-station with a timetable. So when a dj forgets to stop his
> livestream
> the next dj could just kick the source instead of killing and restarting
> the whole
> server. (Because that would kill everything if the server is running
> multiple sources).

Not currently, this will probably be added fairly soon though (the admin 
interface isn't finished yet). 

However, for the particular example you give, there are other alternatives - 
you can set up a different source (at a different mountpoint), and move all 
the clients from the old source to the new one. That's not ideal, obviously, 
since it doesn't deal with new clients connecting.

Mike

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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Mar 31 12:43:26 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 23:43:26 +1100
Subject: [icecast] kicking sources
In-Reply-To: <3E881D08.1050007@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <200303312243.26852.msmith@xiph.org>



On Monday 31 March 2003 20:48, Daniel Seebald wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I've just seen a new thread asking about kicking clients off the server
> and wondered, if there is a feature to kick sources off the server as well.
> This would be very useful if the server is used by multiple djs on
> a radio-station with a timetable. So when a dj forgets to stop his
> livestream
> the next dj could just kick the source instead of killing and restarting
> the whole
> server. (Because that would kill everything if the server is running
> multiple sources).

This turned out to be easier than I expected, so I just committed an 
implementation of it. The admin html-frontend is still not done, but you can 
access http://your.server:port/admin/killsource?mount=/mountname" with a web 
browser to test it. Username is either of admin username and password, or the 
username/password for that mountpoint (both as configured in the config file)

Mike

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Mon Mar 31 16:32:39 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 02:32:39 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Behaviour of server-side stream dump
In-Reply-To: <200303270955.28153.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0304010225120.603-100000@data.home>



On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, Michael Smith wrote:

> Option 2. Files will be appended.

hmmm.  The append doesn't seem to work quite properly.  I tried connecting
for 58 seconds, then 44 seconds. Here's the result:

New logical stream (#1, serial: 2ef23e03): type vorbis
Vorbis headers parsed for stream 1, information follows...
Version: 0
Vendor: Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20020717 (1.0)
Channels: 2
Rate: 44100

Nominal bitrate: 64.001000 kb/s
Upper bitrate not set
Lower bitrate not set
Warning: illegally placed page(s) for logical stream 2
This indicates a corrupt ogg file.
Warning: sequence number gap in stream 2. Got page 1 when expecting page 0.
Indicates missing data.
Warning: EOS not set on stream 1
Vorbis stream 1:
        Total data length: 58747 bytes
        Playback length: 0m:16s
        Average bitrate: 28.974039 kbps
Warning: EOS not set on stream 2
Vorbis stream 2:
        Total data length: 0 bytes
        Playback length: -35791394m:-8s
        Average bitrate: nan kbps

I discovered this because a friend using oddcast did a show that resulted
in a server-side log that wouldn't play in winamp, but would in ogg123.
I'll post the ogginfo for that too, but youll see that, apart from the 0
byte count for stream 1, the output looks very similar. any advice on what
can be done to doctor the below file to make it playable would be good as
it's 60 meg and I don't particularly want to compromise quality still
further by re-encoding it, assuming that oggdec will decode it.

Processing file "Dave and Friends.ogg"...

New logical stream (#1, serial: 00003927): type vorbis
Vorbis headers parsed for stream 1, information follows...
Version: 0
Vendor: Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20020717 (1.0)
Channels: 2
Rate: 44100

Nominal bitrate: 48.000000 kb/s
Upper bitrate: 48.000000 kb/s
Lower bitrate: 48.000000 kb/s
User comments section follows...
        TITLE=
        ARTIST=Broadcast4Peace.org
        ENCODEDBY=oddcast
Warning: illegally placed page(s) for logical stream 2
This indicates a corrupt ogg file.
Warning: sequence number gap in stream 2. Got page 1 when expecting page 0.
Indicates missing data.
Warning: EOS not set on stream 1
Vorbis stream 1:
        Total data length: 0 bytes
        Playback length: 0m:00s
        Average bitrate: nan kbps
Warning: EOS not set on stream 2
Vorbis stream 2:
        Total data length: 0 bytes
        Playback length: -35791394m:-8s
        Average bitrate: nan kbps

Geoff.

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