--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From marco.chrappan at fastwebnet.it Sat Feb 1 11:45:12 2003 From: marco.chrappan at fastwebnet.it (marco chrappan) Date: Sat, 01 Feb 2003 12:45:12 +0100 Subject: [icecast] icecast/ices In-Reply-To: <13449776625.20030201012657@dazdaz.org> Message-ID: <3E3BB348.3080708@fastwebnet.it> hi everybody. first thanks for you support. it was so helpful. econdly, I need to find a howto for ices/icecast. I have also a question: can i stream mp3 files or only ogg?
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On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 04:45, marco chrappan wrote: > hi everybody. > first thanks for you support. it was so helpful. > > secondly, I need to find a howto for ices/icecast. > I have also a question: can i stream mp3 files or only ogg? > > > bye > marco > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.
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From msmith at xiph.org Sun Feb 2 06:35:48 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:35:48 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2, IceS some problem with them
In-Reply-To: <1043687636.2574.18.camel@stream.itg.com>
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On Tuesday 28 January 2003 04:13, stream wrote:
> Hi all
> I'm Toni from Italy and i have a problem with Icecast2 and IceS.
> I've get the source code from cvs and i installed them an a linux
> machine with 2.4.18 kernel (mandrake 8.2) with any problem.
> I've modified the conf files of icecast2 and IceS and I've done a
> playlist.txt file...
>
> i started icecast2 and IceS with no problems, (im using some .ogg with
> 96.00 kbps) no error comes out, but when i try to connect to the stream
> with XMMS i can't listen anything and the player do a continues
> pre-buffering with no stop.
>
> I don't know why this happens, can you help me
>
> ps: I checked out that mp3 streams aren't supported by Icecast2 and
> IceS, is there a possibility to stream even mp3 files
ices 0.x from cvs will stream mp3 files to an icecast2 server.
Mike
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From msmith at xiph.org Sun Feb 2 06:37:16 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:37:16 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Ices2
In-Reply-To: <1043697998.1966.38.camel@mihamina>
Message-ID: <200302021737.16748.msmith@xiph.org>
On Tuesday 28 January 2003 07:06, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
> Hi all ,
> I'm trying to run ices2 in background mode but it does not really work
This hasn't really been tested, but it should work. What goes wrong?
> .
> Is there a way to make it work ?
> Is the name of the config file freee form ? Mine is
> "/$HOME/Desktop/ices.xml"
Yes, filenames are freeform.
> ( just for test )
> HOw to tell ices that input files are mp3 or ogg ( or deos it recognize
> automatically the format ) ?
It assumes they're ogg. It doesn't support mp3.
> Where should be indicated the path of the playlist ?
In the config file.
Mike
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From msmith at xiph.org Sun Feb 2 06:40:11 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 17:40:11 +1100
Subject: [icecast] icecast.xml syntax for relaying.
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On Tuesday 28 January 2003 23:29, Fred Clausen wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> In Icecast1 to specify a server to relay another server I would use :
>
> alias / http://server.example.com:8000
>
> But in icecast2's icecast.xml I cannot see how the equivelent would be
> accomplished. Perhaps the marco
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From mrakotom at wanadoo.fr Sun Feb 2 13:54:50 2003
From: mrakotom at wanadoo.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: 02 Feb 2003 14:54:50 +0100
Subject: [icecast] hostname look up + acl
Message-ID: <1044194091.971.1.camel@mihamina>
hi all , I finnaly got an ices2/Icecast 2 system working under linux
slackware 8.1. but :
Is there a way to have the hostaname of the listeners (instead of their
IP Adress ) and to have an Acces Control List based on these hostnames ?
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From mrakotom at wanadoo.fr Sun Feb 2 13:58:38 2003
From: mrakotom at wanadoo.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: 02 Feb 2003 14:58:38 +0100
Subject: [icecast] WinXP , Icecast2 OddCast
Message-ID: <1044194318.964.6.camel@mihamina>
Re-Hi ,
I'm also trying to write a tutorial to teach to use Icecast2 with
AddCast + Winamp3 as source .
Unfortunately it doesnot worrk very vell:
When i dont play any file with WinAmp , and a connect WA+OddCast to
icecast , it works, but as soon as i play a file it breaks the
connection with thte message : connection reset by the server .
So .... What is the way to make it work ? is there someone who had his
WA+OddCast working fine ?
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From gshang at uq.net.au Sun Feb 2 14:31:08 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 00:31:08 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] New icecast2 dependency
Message-ID:
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From oddsock at oddsock.org Sun Feb 2 14:43:57 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 08:43:57 -0600
Subject: [icecast] New YP listing code in icecast2
Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20030202083625.02875e38@www.oddsock.org>
I have just committed this code to CVS, and here is more information about
it for those interested :
- the spec that I went off of for the protocol can be found here ->
http://www.oddsock.org/icecast2yp/spec.html
- since icecast2 now needs to potentially connect out to yp servers for
communication, libcurl has been added as a dependency...I used curl 7.9.8...
- I also have currently implemented a yp server running at
http://www.oddsock.org/cgi-bin/yp-cgi. This follows the protocol I defined
above (as far as I know at least). and the default icecast.xml that is in
CVS is configured with that yp server..feel free to implement your own yp
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From mrakotom at wanadoo.fr Sun Feb 2 15:53:32 2003
From: mrakotom at wanadoo.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: 02 Feb 2003 16:53:32 +0100
Subject: [icecast] ID3 info and Streaming titles
In-Reply-To: <13449776625.20030201012657@dazdaz.org>
Message-ID: <1044201217.971.10.camel@mihamina>
On Sat, 2003-02-01 at 02:26, Darren wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'd really like to enable ID3 tags and streaming titles.
>
> >From reading icecast.conf I realise this is experimental.
> I'm assuming experimental means works most of the time :-)
>
> I've set this flag, however receive no ID3 tags or streaming titles.
> use_meta_data 1
>
> I need some guidance on this one, im using icecast 1.3.12 and ices
> 0.2.3.
>
> Thanks,
> --
> Best regards,
> Darren mailto:darren at dazdaz.org
mine is :
use_meta_data 0
but it displays correctly *most* of the time.
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From mrakotom at wanadoo.fr Sun Feb 2 15:58:00 2003
From: mrakotom at wanadoo.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: 02 Feb 2003 16:58:00 +0100
Subject: [icecast] current listeners displaying? icecas2
Message-ID: <1044201480.965.13.camel@mihamina>
Hi again;
is there a way to have to number and eventually some details about the
current listeners ?
^^^^^^^
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From msmith at xiph.org Sun Feb 2 16:02:39 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 03:02:39 +1100
Subject: [icecast] current listeners displaying? icecas2
In-Reply-To: <1044201480.965.13.camel@mihamina>
Message-ID: <200302030302.39791.msmith@xiph.org>
On Monday 03 February 2003 02:58, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
> Hi again;
> is there a way to have to number and eventually some details about the
> current listeners ?
> ^^^^^^^
>
Yes.
Using a web browser, get http://server:port/status.xsl
This requires a correctly configured icecast server, if yours isn't configured
correctly you can get the raw data at http://server:port/admin/stats.xml
(username 'source', currently).
Mike
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From daleg at elemental.org Sun Feb 2 18:26:43 2003
From: daleg at elemental.org (Dale Ghent)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 13:26:43 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] New YP listing code in icecast2
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030202083625.02875e38@www.oddsock.org>
Message-ID: And then the YP server can take that, parse out what it specifically can
work with and throw away what it can't.
So ultimately, if all of those above example fields were accepted by the
YP server, i would output something like this to web browsers:
Radio Spliff is currently playing Shpongle - Around the world in a tea
daze. Released in 2001 by Twisted Records (TWSCD16). Composed by Simon
Posford & Raja Ram. There are currently 12 listeners out of 20.
I guess you may get my drift. I'm just saying that the capacity and
opportunity exists to make YP servers more edcated about what's playing
out there :) why not take advantage of it?
/dale
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From marco.chrappan at fastwebnet.it Sun Feb 2 19:05:03 2003
From: marco.chrappan at fastwebnet.it (marco chrappan)
Date: Sun, 02 Feb 2003 20:05:03 +0100
Subject: [icecast] icecast/ices
In-Reply-To: <1044118104.11664.46.camel@pluto>
Message-ID: <3E3D6BDF.3010205@fastwebnet.it>
Kerry Cox ha scritto:
>Marco,
>I have some preliminary HowTos and software available at
>http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/
>It's not as nice as http://www.6809.org.uk/kja3/ices2-howto.shtml, but
>I'm working to make it better as I become more familiar. Hope it helps.
>The ices2 program is designed for .ogg streaming while icecast-1.3.12
>and related streamers, MuSE, liveice and DarkIce will still stream .mp3
>quite nicely. I use icecast-1.3.13, LAME and MuSE for KSL radio. Have
>uptimes in the hundreds of days.
>KJ
>
>
>
>
hi,
how can i use it to send a playlist of mp3 files to icecast? is there
any app to create automated playlists, I mean to create a txt file from
a directory?
thanks
marco
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From darren at dazdaz.org Sun Feb 2 19:52:09 2003
From: darren at dazdaz.org (Darren)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 19:52:09 +0000
Subject: [icecast] ID3 info and Streaming titles
In-Reply-To: <1044201217.971.10.camel@mihamina>
Message-ID: <6519884712.20030202195209@dazdaz.org>
I've received an email from someone who pointed out that Winamp 2
works with metadata, however Winamp 3 does not! Having tested this,
I can confirm it's the case.
This makes me wonder if metadata works with Winamp 3 and IceCast 2
alpha/beta.
It would also appear that Windows Media Player 8 that comes with
Windows XP does not work. Is there a way to install the SHOUTCast
system within WMP?
Darren
>> I'd really like to enable ID3 tags and streaming titles.
>>
>> >From reading icecast.conf I realise this is experimental.
>> I'm assuming experimental means works most of the time :-)
>>
>> I've set this flag, however receive no ID3 tags or streaming titles.
>> use_meta_data 1
>>
>> I need some guidance on this one, im using icecast 1.3.12 and ices
>> 0.2.3.
RM> mine is :
RM> use_meta_data 0
RM> but it displays correctly *most* of the time.
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From marc at dubhead.xs4all.nl Sun Feb 2 22:48:27 2003
From: marc at dubhead.xs4all.nl (Marc Remijn)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:48:27 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Re: Compiling ices
In-Reply-To: <1044030547.1031.32.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <000b01c2cb0d$33a8a960$0264a8c0@xs4all.nl>
----- Original Message -----
From: Karl Heyes > On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 06:39, Marc Remijn wrote:
> ...
>
> > Kernel output:
> >
> > invalid operand: 0000
> > CPU: 0
> > EIP: 0010:[ > As for the config file I'll check into that a bit more later.
Is the re-encoding section necessary?
Marc
>
> karl.
>
>
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From marc at dubhead.xs4all.nl Sun Feb 2 23:00:46 2003
From: marc at dubhead.xs4all.nl (Marc Remijn)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 00:00:46 +0100
Subject: [icecast] icecast/ices
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----- Original Message -----
From: marco chrappan Marc
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From lynx at sanity.luchs.at Sun Feb 2 22:57:22 2003
From: lynx at sanity.luchs.at (Rene Pfeiffer)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2003 23:57:22 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Re: Compiling ices
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On Feb 02, 2003 at 2348 +0100, Marc Remijn appeared and said:
> > On Fri, 2003-01-31 at 06:39, Marc Remijn wrote:
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> >
> > > Kernel output:
> > >
> > > invalid operand: 0000
> > > CPU: 0
> > > EIP: 0010:[ --- >8 ----
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From kerry.cox at ksl.com Sun Feb 2 23:52:37 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 02 Feb 2003 16:52:37 -0700
Subject: [icecast] problem with latest ices CVS release?
Message-ID: <1044229965.22133.56.camel@pluto>
Just downloaded the latest ices from CVS. I'm getting an error that I
haven't seen before. I had things working fine just a few days ago.
Here's my standard ices.xml file. I tried several different configs
using the distribution examples as well and still got errors.
[root at pluto conf]# ices /usr/local/icecast2/conf/ices-live.xml &
[2] 22247
[root at pluto conf]# [2003-02-02 16:46:47] INFO ices-core/main ices
started...
[2003-02-02 16:46:47] EROR input-oss/oss_open_module Couldn't set
sampling rate
[2003-02-02 16:46:47] EROR input/input_loop Couldn't initialise input
module "oss"
[2003-02-02 16:46:47] INFO ices-core/main Shutdown complete
Just wondering if I am too stupid from lack of sleep or if something
really did get changed. Anyone else having this problem?
KJ
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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk Mon Feb 3 00:02:42 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 03 Feb 2003 00:02:42 +0000
Subject: [icecast] problem with latest ices CVS release?
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Message-ID: <1044230563.10269.53.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
On Sun, 2003-02-02 at 23:52, Kerry Cox wrote:
>
> [2003-02-02 16:46:47] EROR input-oss/oss_open_module Couldn't set
> sampling rate
> [2003-02-02 16:46:47] EROR input/input_loop Couldn't initialise input
> module "oss"
>
> [2003-02-02 16:46:47] INFO ices-core/main Shutdown complete
>
> Just wondering if I am too stupid from lack of sleep or if something
> really did get changed. Anyone else having this problem?
that hasn't changed for some time. It failed to set the samplerate so
that is a reply from the OS. I would check the soundcard setup and make
sure everything there is ok, just see if you can record something.
karl.
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From ted at linuxmds.com Mon Feb 3 04:34:03 2003
From: ted at linuxmds.com (ted lynn)
Date: 02 Feb 2003 22:34:03 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Icecast 1.3
Message-ID: <1044246843.2201.2.camel@mercury.bumpster.linuxmds.com>
Does anyone have this version of icecast in tar.gz form? I had been
using it in my server until I upgraded it and now I can't download it
anymore since the webpage has changed. I'd rather not use the cvs if I
don't have to, if someone could send it to me I'd greatly appreciate
it. Thanks
--
ted lynn Cheers!
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> /usr/include/pthread.h:166: parse error before `void'
eems odd, check /usr/include/pthread.h at line 163 to see what appears,
but if it's the same as mine then it's missing the pthread_t type which
is defined in bits/pthreadtypes.h
check the installation of the glibc packages with
rpm -V glibc-common
rpm -V glibc
etc
karl.
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From oddsock at oddsock.org Mon Feb 3 15:19:56 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Mon, 03 Feb 2003 09:19:56 -0600
Subject: [icecast] New YP listing code in icecast2
In-Reply-To: >And then the YP server can take that, parse out what it specifically can
>work with and throw away what it can't.
another thing about the design...The YP server needs to be fast, efficient
and scalable...XML is extensible, but not terribly fast and efficient...
>So ultimately, if all of those above example fields were accepted by the
>YP server, i would output something like this to web browsers:
>
>Radio Spliff is currently playing Shpongle - Around the world in a tea
>daze. Released in 2001 by Twisted Records (TWSCD16). Composed by Simon
>Posford & Raja Ram. There are currently 12 listeners out of 20.
>
>I guess you may get my drift. I'm just saying that the capacity and
>opportunity exists to make YP servers more edcated about what's playing
>out there :) why not take advantage of it?
just because you can do something doesn't necessarily mean you
should. Adding additional attributes to the listing is pretty much a
trivial task, but simplicity rules when displaying and searching YP servers...
well, that is what I think anyways....
thanks for the input though...you ideas are good.
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From jack at xiph.org Mon Feb 3 15:45:34 2003
From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 08:45:34 -0700
Subject: [icecast] New YP listing code in icecast2
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030203091042.028726b0@www.oddsock.org>
Message-ID: <20030203154534.GC17909@i.cantcode.com>
> XML is not really suited for this type of request, you don't need
> structured data for YP communication, you just want a varying number of
> parameters, which is currently possible given the current implementation.
XML-RPC is, and that would be a much better way to define the interface.
Then at least everyone could stop rwiting their own sender/parser and
just use their favorite XML-RPC lib for their respective language.
> just because you can do something doesn't necessarily mean you
> should.
There are many areas that the current infrastructure can not deal with.
See earlier threads on new yp to get a detailed list. (I know Oddsock
has seen this, this is mostly for everyone else's knowledge).
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From ted at linuxmds.com Mon Feb 3 17:12:17 2003
From: ted at linuxmds.com (Ted Lynn)
Date: 03 Feb 2003 11:12:17 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Icecast 1.3??
Message-ID: <1044292336.4189.2.camel@mercury.bumpster.linuxmds.com>
According to this list I was told that it was available to download?
The only thing on the download page is the info on icecast 2 from cvs?
Perhaps I'm missing something??
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From adon at YorkU.CA Mon Feb 3 20:00:35 2003
From: adon at YorkU.CA (Adon Irani)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 15:00:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Icecast 1.3??
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Name: startup
URL: I disabled the startup script that loaded the kernel modules.
I rebooted the system (obviously with lots of error messages by things that
depend on some module or other being loaded).
I loaded the Soundblaster live module by hand (emu10k1).
I started icecast.
I started ices with the live-line-in config and:
Same problem.
kernel:
invalid operand: 0000
CPU: 0
EIP: 0010:[ lsmod:
Module Size Used by Not tainted
emu10k1 55680 1
sound 52876 0 [emu10k1]
ac97_codec 9568 0 [emu10k1]
soundcore 3236 7 (autoclean) [emu10k1 sound]
iptable_nat 12660 1 (autoclean)
ip_conntrack 12684 1 (autoclean) [iptable_nat]
ip_tables 10432 3 [iptable_nat]
Marc
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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk Mon Feb 3 21:27:26 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 03 Feb 2003 21:27:26 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Re: Compiling ices
In-Reply-To: <200302032202.47906.marc@dubhead.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <1044307647.1083.65.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 21:02, Marc Remijn wrote:
> Same problem.
>
> kernel:
> invalid operand: 0000
> CPU: 0
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From thomas at resonance.org Tue Feb 4 05:44:34 2003
From: thomas at resonance.org (Thomas Spellman)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2003 21:44:34 -0800
Subject: [icecast] WinXP , Icecast2 OddCast
In-Reply-To: <1044194318.964.6.camel@mihamina>
Message-ID: <200302032144.34347.thomas@resonance.org>
I just tried this yesterday and it was somewhat working. I was able to start
the server and stream to it from oddcast, but I wasn't able to listen with a
second instance of winamp, or a winamp2 instance. I was using winamp 3 to
stream with the version of oddcast for WA3. A friend on another computer was
able to listen to the stream though.
I changed the icecast config from the default and ... streamed in ogg format
from oddcast, used quality -1. I also changed the icecast2 windows shortcut
and set its working directory to the directory in which icecast2 exe resides.
Thomas
On Sunday 02 February 2003 05:58 am, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
> Re-Hi ,
> I'm also trying to write a tutorial to teach to use Icecast2 with
> AddCast + Winamp3 as source .
> Unfortunately it doesnot worrk very vell:
>
> When i dont play any file with WinAmp , and a connect WA+OddCast to
> icecast , it works, but as soon as i play a file it breaks the
> connection with thte message : connection reset by the server .
> So .... What is the way to make it work ? is there someone who had his
> WA+OddCast working fine ?
>
>
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From mrakotom at wanadoo.fr Tue Feb 4 11:49:05 2003
From: mrakotom at wanadoo.fr (Rakotomandimby Mihamina)
Date: 04 Feb 2003 12:49:05 +0100
Subject: [icecast] hostname look up + acl
In-Reply-To: <200302032144.21026.marc@dubhead.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <1044359345.880.44.camel@mihamina>
On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 21:44, Marc Remijn wrote:
> On Sunday 02 February 2003 14:54, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
> > hi all , I finnaly got an ices2/Icecast 2 system working under linux
> > slackware 8.1. but :
>
> Is that streaming files with a playlist or streaming sound from the line-in of
> the soundcard. I have Slackware 8.1 too. Streaming file from a playlist works
> fine, but streaming from the soundcard input (ices-live.xml) doesn't. Ices
> gives a segmentation fault and the kernel gives some panic messages. See
> under the 'Compiling Ices' thread. Since you also have Slackware 8.1 I wonder
> whether it works with your system.
>
I'm streaming from playlist , but anyway , my line-in is down ... i
never had it working since a run linux... a dont know why ..
I cant even simply record from line_in ... (VIA 826... chipset) .
I gave up trying to use that fu....ng soundcard.
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From matthijs at netintegrator.nl Wed Feb 5 16:47:21 2003
From: matthijs at netintegrator.nl (M.C. van Dorp)
Date: 05 Feb 2003 17:47:21 +0100
Subject: [icecast] hostname look up + acl
In-Reply-To: <1044359345.880.44.camel@mihamina>
Message-ID: <1044463640.5609.1.camel@fangorn>
Are you sure you set your line-in as your recording device?
I had the same problem and i fixed it that way.
On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 12:49, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 21:44, Marc Remijn wrote:
> > On Sunday 02 February 2003 14:54, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
> > > hi all , I finnaly got an ices2/Icecast 2 system working under linux
> > > slackware 8.1. but :
> >
> > Is that streaming files with a playlist or streaming sound from the line-in of
> > the soundcard. I have Slackware 8.1 too. Streaming file from a playlist works
> > fine, but streaming from the soundcard input (ices-live.xml) doesn't. Ices
> > gives a segmentation fault and the kernel gives some panic messages. See
> > under the 'Compiling Ices' thread. Since you also have Slackware 8.1 I wonder
> > whether it works with your system.
> >
> I'm streaming from playlist , but anyway , my line-in is down ... i
> never had it working since a run linux... a dont know why ..
> I cant even simply record from line_in ... (VIA 826... chipset) .
> I gave up trying to use that fu....ng soundcard.
>
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From marc at dubhead.xs4all.nl Tue Feb 4 15:58:08 2003
From: marc at dubhead.xs4all.nl (Marc Remijn)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 16:58:08 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [icecast] hostname look up + acl
In-Reply-To: <1044463640.5609.1.camel@fangorn>
Message-ID: <55888.194.151.95.22.1044374288.squirrel@dubhead.xs4all.nl>
> Are you sure you set your line-in as your recording device?
> I had the same problem and i fixed it that way.
The segmentation fault problem with ices, or the problem that your line in
doesn't work as recording input?
Marc
>
> On Tue, 2003-02-04 at 12:49, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
>> On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 21:44, Marc Remijn wrote:
>> > On Sunday 02 February 2003 14:54, Rakotomandimby Mihamina wrote:
>> > > hi all , I finnaly got an ices2/Icecast 2 system working under
>> linux slackware 8.1. but :
>> >
>> > Is that streaming files with a playlist or streaming sound from the
>> line-in of the soundcard. I have Slackware 8.1 too. Streaming file
>> from a playlist works fine, but streaming from the soundcard input
>> (ices-live.xml) doesn't. Ices gives a segmentation fault and the
>> kernel gives some panic messages. See under the 'Compiling Ices'
>> thread. Since you also have Slackware 8.1 I wonder whether it works
>> with your system.
>> >
>> I'm streaming from playlist , but anyway , my line-in is down ... i
>> never had it working since a run linux... a dont know why ..
>> I cant even simply record from line_in ... (VIA 826... chipset) . I
>> gave up trying to use that fu....ng soundcard.
>>
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From waa at hotchkiss.org Tue Feb 4 19:26:09 2003
From: waa at hotchkiss.org (Bill Arlofski)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2003 14:26:09 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Web Based Front Ends
Message-ID: <200302041426.10640.waa@hotchkiss.org>
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Can anyone comment on the "front ends" they are using to manage their
ices/icecast streams?
I have done some searching and playing with such web-based products as
netjuke, and obsequium, and otto audio jukebox, but none fill the
requirements exactly, and none appear to interface with ices/icecast the way
I would like.
Rather than have the client (xmms) be handed an m3u playlist file (netjuke),
and have the client request each song indiviudually from the apache server,
I'd like to be able to edit playlists that pertain to each instance of an
ices process that is streaming to the icecast server to be subsequently
streamed to clients by the icecast server on different urls (ie:
http://my.server.com:8888/dailynews http://my.server.com:8888/jazz
http://my.server.com:8888/rock etc...)
Is there any web interface like this that integrates directly with ices and
icecast.
BTW, other than this request, netjuke is pretty slick the way it handles
albums, artists, songs, playlists etc via PHP and a postgresql database.
Thanks for any input.
- ---
Bill Arlofski
Unix/Novell Systems Administrator
The Hotchkiss School
860-425-3140
waa at hotchkiss.org
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From darkeye at tyrell.hu Wed Feb 5 10:28:57 2003
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 11:28:57 +0100
Subject: [icecast] server side stream dump in icecast2?
Message-ID: <3E40E769.6060904@tyrell.hu>
Hi,
I'm wondering if this feature is implemented in icecast2? It was in
icecast 1.x, and I found it very useful...
Akos
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From gshang at uq.net.au Wed Feb 5 11:41:45 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 21:41:45 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] server side stream dump in icecast2?
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From msmith at xiph.org Wed Feb 5 12:41:48 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 23:41:48 +1100
Subject: [icecast] server side stream dump in icecast2?
In-Reply-To: <3E40E769.6060904@tyrell.hu>
Message-ID: <200302052341.48241.msmith@xiph.org>
On Wednesday 05 February 2003 21:28, Akos Maroy wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm wondering if this feature is implemented in icecast2? It was in
> icecast 1.x, and I found it very useful...
>
No. File an 'enhancement' level report at http://bugs.xiph.org/ if you want it
added, please.
Mike
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From darkeye at tyrell.hu Wed Feb 5 13:01:06 2003
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2003 14:01:06 +0100
Subject: [icecast] server side stream dump in icecast2?
In-Reply-To: <200302052341.48241.msmith@xiph.org>
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Michael Smith wrote:
> No. File an 'enhancement' level report at http://bugs.xiph.org/ if you want it
> added, please.
OK, just did that...
Akos
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From knaagdier at wanadoo.nl Fri Feb 7 15:33:01 2003
From: knaagdier at wanadoo.nl (Marcel Bierling)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 16:33:01 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Using ices or shout with continuously growing files?
Message-ID: <001b01c2cebe$330a0d00$0300a8c0@morzzz>
Hi people,
I'm using an external mp3pro encoder that creates a contuously growing file
from a live input. However, ices and shout read the file size, and stop when
that value is reached, then they start playing the file over again. What I
want is that it keeps playing the file, as it should be able to keep playing
until eternity :) I've copied the output of shout beneath. Is there anything
I can try?
Marcel
==========================
Shout version 0.8.0 - www.icecast.org
Connected: [localhost:40044\default]
[/mnt/fatbass/Marcel/2spinradio/recording-01.mp3]
[0:01] Size: 6269 Bitrate: 48000 (80 bytes/dot)
->
............................................................................
..
Done:
Sent 10102 bytes in 4612794875904.13835040652075101240 seconds
Transfer rate average 75247672.253259bps
Lowest sleep time: 989919 microseconds
Now using an overhead factor of 0.000000
[/mnt/fatbass/Marcel/2spinradio/recording-01.mp3]
[0:02] Size: 13009 Bitrate: 48000 (166 bytes/dot)
[...........................................................................
...]
Done:
Sent 16096 bytes in 8839042695168.13835040652075171090 seconds
Transfer rate average 62569484.936832bps
Lowest sleep time: 999956 microseconds
Now using an overhead factor of 0.000000
[/mnt/fatbass/Marcel/2spinradio/recording-01.mp3]
[0:04] Size: 25704 Bitrate: 48000 (329 bytes/dot)
[....[07/Feb/2003:16:30:35] [Bandwidth: 0.000000MB/s] [Sources: 1] [Clients:
0] [Admins: 1] [Uptime: 1 hours, 12 minutes and 6 seconds]
->
..........................................................................
Done:
Sent 28096 bytes in 17355962843136.13835040652075261164 seconds
Transfer rate average 55621875.773323bps
Lowest sleep time: 999997 microseconds
Now using an overhead factor of 0.000000
[/mnt/fatbass/Marcel/2spinradio/recording-01.mp3]
[0:08] Size: 50312 Bitrate: 48000 (645 bytes/dot)
[...........................................................................
...]
Done:
Sent 52096 bytes in 34711925686272.13835040652075391102 seconds
Transfer rate average 51567433.803514bps
Lowest sleep time: 999997 microseconds
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From dave at cpfc.org Fri Feb 7 17:41:14 2003
From: dave at cpfc.org (dave at cpfc.org)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2003 17:41:14 GMT
Subject: [icecast] libcurl error
Message-ID: <200302071741.RAA23095@ns.cpfc-online.com>
I'm trying to upgrade my version of icecast to version 2 from CVS but am getting an error on autogen:
checking for libcurl... no
*** Could not run libcurl test program, checking why...
*** The test program failed to compile or link. See the file config.log for the
*** exact error that occured. This usually means libcurl was incorrectly installed
*** or that you have moved libcurl since it was installed.
configure: error: must have libcurl installed!
libcurl 7.10.3-1 IS installed [via RPM] - the OS is Redhat 8
Thanks
Dave
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From gtgbr at gmx.net Fri Feb 7 18:05:23 2003
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net)
Date: Fri, 07 Feb 2003 19:05:23 +0100
Subject: [icecast] libcurl error
In-Reply-To: <200302071741.RAA23095@ns.cpfc-online.com>
Message-ID: <3E43F563.C0C00CEC@gmx.net>
dave at cpfc.org wrote:
> configure: error: must have libcurl installed!
>
> libcurl 7.10.3-1 IS installed [via RPM] - the OS is Redhat 8
You probably also need the -devel package, and if that doesn't help
either, use the --with-curl-prefix parameter for the
configure/autogen.sh script and have it point to the prefix where Redhat
installs its packages. If the stuff ends up in /usr/local/lib and
/usr/local/include, for example, you'd use
./autogen.sh --with-curl-prefix=/usr/local
That should work.
Moritz
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From gshang at uq.net.au Fri Feb 7 18:19:22 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2003 04:19:22 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Using ices or shout with continuously growing files?
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From marco at ormgas.com Sun Feb 9 13:57:00 2003
From: marco at ormgas.com (Marco Alanen)
Date: 09 Feb 2003 14:57:00 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Impossible to connect to ANY yp server
Message-ID: <1044799019.32676.18.camel@localhost>
Greetings
I'm having problems announcing my stream on any yp server, using
Icecast v1.3.12 compiled with the optimization support.. I have
tried every directory server I could find, but I still get the same
result.
When I start icecast with an yp server available, I get this:
[09/Feb/2003:14:52:47] Using xaudiocast directory server
[yp.icecast.org:80/cgi-bin/touch]
.. and then I don't get back to the console and Icecast starts
eating up all CPU power it can get. I don't get anything in the
logs either.
The stream works perfectly when I'm not using any directory servers.
I'm behind a firewall, but I've forwarded port 8000 and 8001 to the
correct computer. Is there anything else I should do?
The server is located at http://ormgas.com:8000
Here is my icecast.conf:
location FPC, Sweden
rp_email marco at ormgas.com
server_url http://oc.ormgas.com
max_clients 40
max_clients_per_source 40
max_sources 2
max_admins 3
throttle 0.5
use_meta_data 1
streamurllock 0
streamtitletemplate %s
streamurl http://yp.icecast.org
nametemplate %s
desctemplate %s
mount_fallback 1
encoder_password ....
admin_password ....
oper_password ....
http_admin 1
#icydir www.oddsock.org
#icydir yp.shoutcast.com
#icydir yp.breakfree.com
#icydir yp.musicseek.net
#icydir yp.van-pelt.com
#icydir yp.radiostation.de
#directory www.oddsock.org:80/cgi-bin/yp-cgi
directory yp.icecast.org
#directory yp.mp3.de
#directory yp.dmzs.com
#directory icecast.linuxpower.org
touch_freq 5
hostname ormgas.com
port 8000
port 8001
server_name ormgas.com
force_servername 1
logfile icecast.log
accessfile access.log
usagefile usage.log
logfiledebuglevel 0
consoledebuglevel 0
console_mode 3
client_timeout 30
kick_clients 0
staticdir /usr/share/icecast/static
templatedir /usr/share/icecast/templates
logdir /var/log/icecast
stats_log stats.log
statshtml_log stats.html
stats_time 60
kick_relays 10
transparent_proxy 0
acl_policy 0
allow all 126.1.120.*
allow all 127.0.0.1
allow client *
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From knaagdier at wanadoo.nl Sun Feb 9 15:06:30 2003
From: knaagdier at wanadoo.nl (Marcel Bierling)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 16:06:30 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Using ices or shout with continuously growing files?
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Using ices or shout with continuously growing files?>
Message-ID: <001701c2d04c$d477fb40$0300a8c0@morzzz>
I also tried such things:
lxserv:/mnt/fatbass# tail -f recording.mp3 | /usr/local/icecast/bin/ices -M
stdinpcm -h localhost -p 40044 -P password
Logfile opened
Could not find a valid playlist file.
Ices Exiting...
In this case I try to KEEP READING the mp3 file (which becomes continuously
larger), and pipe it to ices (how should I do this?). But ices isn't nice to
me and keeps asking for a playlist, which doesn't exist in this case.
I'm pulling the hair out of my head, I'm already spending hours on this
simple aspect, reading every man-page I could find, I just can't get it to
work.
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From ted at linuxmds.com Sun Feb 9 15:30:34 2003
From: ted at linuxmds.com (Ted Lynn)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 09:30:34 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Using ices or shout with continuously growing files?
In-Reply-To: <001701c2d04c$d477fb40$0300a8c0@morzzz>
Message-ID: <002001c2d050$306a0210$9600a8c0@mercury>
I'd try making a playlist with just that file in it. It should satisfy
Ices. It won't even try to start without one. Just an idea.
Ted
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From: "Marcel Bierling" > I also tried such things:
>
> lxserv:/mnt/fatbass# tail -f recording.mp3 |
/usr/local/icecast/bin/ices -M
> stdinpcm -h localhost -p 40044 -P password
> Logfile opened
> Could not find a valid playlist file.
> Ices Exiting...
>
> In this case I try to KEEP READING the mp3 file (which becomes
continuously
> larger), and pipe it to ices (how should I do this?). But ices isn't nice
to
> me and keeps asking for a playlist, which doesn't exist in this case.
>
> I'm pulling the hair out of my head, I'm already spending hours on this
> simple aspect, reading every man-page I could find, I just can't get it to
> work.
>
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From darkeye at tyrell.hu Sun Feb 9 15:40:43 2003
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2003 16:40:43 +0100
Subject: [icecast] darkice mailing list
Message-ID: <3E46767B.1080006@tyrell.hu>
Hi,
This is a sort of self-promotion here. I just started a mailing list for
darkice users. So if there are any questions, problems, bugs, etc. on
darkice, please join in!
https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/darkice-list
Akos
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From mg at trash.net Sun Feb 9 15:50:49 2003
From: mg at trash.net (Mathias Gygax)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 16:50:49 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Using ices or shout with continuously growing files?
In-Reply-To: <001701c2d04c$d477fb40$0300a8c0@morzzz>
Message-ID: <20030209155049.GA25808@zeus.eniac.ch.eu.org>
On Sun, Feb 09, 2003 at 04:06:30PM +0100, Marcel Bierling wrote:
> I also tried such things:
>
> lxserv:/mnt/fatbass# tail -f recording.mp3 | /usr/local/icecast/bin/ices -M
> stdinpcm -h localhost -p 40044 -P password
> Logfile opened
> Could not find a valid playlist file.
> Ices Exiting...
>
> In this case I try to KEEP READING the mp3 file (which becomes continuously
> larger), and pipe it to ices (how should I do this?). But ices isn't nice to
> me and keeps asking for a playlist, which doesn't exist in this case.
just some ideas:
/dev/stdin as a file is always connected to the stdin of the running
process. so if you pipe something to ices, you could open /dev/stdin as
a file and connect the output of the pipe to the input of ices while
still specifing a file, when ices doesn't get its data from the stdin. now
there's a problem (i don't know about this) if ices wants a playlist
file (dunno how this one is parsed).
so try to open with -F /dev/stdin the pipe output as a playlist.
there are some chances that doesn't work, so put "/dev/stdin" as a file in
a dummy playlist and try to open that.
HTH
- regards, turrican
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From knaagdier at wanadoo.nl Sun Feb 9 16:51:46 2003
From: knaagdier at wanadoo.nl (Marcel Bierling)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2003 17:51:46 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Using ices or shout with continuously growing files?
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From brendan at icecast.org Mon Feb 10 22:13:18 2003
From: brendan at icecast.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2003 17:13:18 -0500
Subject: [icecast] ices 0.x CVS access
In-Reply-To: adam
On Wed, 12 Feb 2003, Mitchell wrote:
> Hi list,
>
> I am just wondering if anyone knows a way to stream with automated
> crossfading under Linux.
>
> I know that you can stream to icecast from windows using something like
> otsjuke, or WinAmp with the SQR crossfading plugin, but am not aware of
> anything for Linux that will allow me to stream with gapless output.
>
> Any suggestions greatly appreciated as always.
>
> From Mitchell
>
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From kerry.cox at ksl.com Wed Feb 12 17:21:44 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 12 Feb 2003 10:21:44 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Unofficial Icecast HOWTO posted
Message-ID: <1045070507.9294.132.camel@quasi.ksl.com>
Howdy. I just posted an unofficial HOWTO on configuring icecast2 on a
Linux or other UNIX machine. It's just a draft in DocBook format, but I
was hoping it might help someone. I've worked enough with icecast over
the past few years that I thought it time to share what I've learned.
The URL is as follows: http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/
I have older documentation in http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/docs/ for
those interested. For a more complete treatise on icecast-1.3.x take a
look at http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/legacy/.
I can provide the URL to my station's own MP3 stream (using
icecast-1.3.x) or to our new OGG stream (using icecast2) to those
parties interested. I also have a test audio stream playing a few audio
files in OGG format as a quality check.
Any feedback or suggestions for improvements would be appreciated.
KJ
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> Howdy. I just posted an unofficial HOWTO on configuring icecast2 on a
> Linux or other UNIX machine. It's just a draft in DocBook format, but I
> was hoping it might help someone. I've worked enough with icecast over
> the past few years that I thought it time to share what I've learned.
> The URL is as follows: http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/
> I have older documentation in http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/docs/ for
> those interested. For a more complete treatise on icecast-1.3.x take a
> look at http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/legacy/.
> I can provide the URL to my station's own MP3 stream (using
> icecast-1.3.x) or to our new OGG stream (using icecast2) to those
> parties interested. I also have a test audio stream playing a few audio
> files in OGG format as a quality check.
> Any feedback or suggestions for improvements would be appreciated.
> KJ
>
> --
>
> /-----------------------------\__/--------------------------------\
> | Kerry J. Cox __ kerry.cox at ksl.com |
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>
>
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From mike at linuxlink.com Wed Feb 12 17:36:01 2003
From: mike at linuxlink.com (mike)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 11:36:01 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Unofficial Icecast HOWTO posted
In-Reply-To: <1045070507.9294.132.camel@quasi.ksl.com>
Message-ID: <3E4A8601.3060701@linuxlink.com>
You are a god.
Thanks. I was gonna attempt this, but much later.
Now to see if it works. hehe
Kerry Cox wrote:
> Howdy. I just posted an unofficial HOWTO on configuring icecast2 on a
> Linux or other UNIX machine. It's just a draft in DocBook format, but I
> was hoping it might help someone. I've worked enough with icecast over
> the past few years that I thought it time to share what I've learned.
> The URL is as follows: http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/
> I have older documentation in http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/docs/ for
> those interested. For a more complete treatise on icecast-1.3.x take a
> look at http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/legacy/.
> I can provide the URL to my station's own MP3 stream (using
> icecast-1.3.x) or to our new OGG stream (using icecast2) to those
> parties interested. I also have a test audio stream playing a few audio
> files in OGG format as a quality check.
> Any feedback or suggestions for improvements would be appreciated.
> KJ
>
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From kerry.cox at ksl.com Wed Feb 12 17:47:10 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 12 Feb 2003 10:47:10 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Unofficial Icecast HOWTO posted
In-Reply-To: <20030212183602.W12447-100000@xs2.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <1045072031.9294.137.camel@quasi.ksl.com>
Absolutely!! That was one thing that I was missing and would have like
to have included.
You can either send me the data or let us know the link. If you wouldn't
mind adding to this HOWTO and I will post a link to your page so that
people would know where I got the original files.
Sounds good.
KJ
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 10:37, adam wrote:
> looks great! :-)
>
> if you like i can post a how-to for setting up and streaming with oddcast
> and the win32 icecast 2 from oddsock (I have both with step by step screen
> shots etc).
>
> adam
>
>
> On 12 Feb 2003, Kerry Cox wrote:
>
> > Howdy. I just posted an unofficial HOWTO on configuring icecast2 on a
> > Linux or other UNIX machine. It's just a draft in DocBook format, but I
> > was hoping it might help someone. I've worked enough with icecast over
> > the past few years that I thought it time to share what I've learned.
> > The URL is as follows: http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/
> > I have older documentation in http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/docs/ for
> > those interested. For a more complete treatise on icecast-1.3.x take a
> > look at http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/legacy/.
> > I can provide the URL to my station's own MP3 stream (using
> > icecast-1.3.x) or to our new OGG stream (using icecast2) to those
> > parties interested. I also have a test audio stream playing a few audio
> > files in OGG format as a quality check.
> > Any feedback or suggestions for improvements would be appreciated.
> > KJ
> >
> > --
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From medwards at ualberta.ca Wed Feb 12 19:17:53 2003
From: medwards at ualberta.ca (M Edwards)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:17:53 -0700
Subject: [icecast] debian icecast package & client issues
Message-ID: <3E4CDB4A@webmail.ualberta.ca>
At this point I've installed icecast-server and icecast-client debian
packages. I've editted all the config files and everything starts up and
appears to be running properly.
Unfortunately I've had several problems with clients trying to connect to the
stream. Initially the clients would attempt to buffer the stream, but just as
it finished they would restart buffering. I figured this was a bandwidth issue
(although it still occurred over a direct ethernet connection) and reencoded
some test files at a 64 bitrate and tried those.
Here shout's lack of autodetection bit me in the ass. I forced the bitrate
down to 64 (shout -b 64) and tried again. Clients now connect but fail to even
start buffering the stream.
At this point, after much thought, it might be the system I'm running it on.
Is there a minimum system req to run icecast and shout?
What about updating, is there a debian package that ISN'T 1.3? Is my crappy
version the issue?
--thanks
Michael Edwards
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From: gktnews at gktech.net (Bryan Koschmann - GKT)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 12:55:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] ices live streaming problems?
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:49:25 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] ices live streaming problems?
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:41:56 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] ices live streaming problems?
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From adam at xs4all.nl Thu Feb 13 10:31:49 2003
From: adam at xs4all.nl (adam)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:31:49 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [icecast] Unofficial Icecast HOWTO posted
In-Reply-To: <1045072031.9294.137.camel@quasi.ksl.com>
Message-ID: <20030213112828.S90352-100000@xs1.xs4all.nl>
okee,
I put the oddcast help online at:
http://www.radioqualia.net/oddcast
i have to appologise twice for this, because the formatting is kinda
crappy and i just converted it from a word doc with a straight doc->html
export :/
will fix in the coming weeks but its online for now...also if anyone can
give some more informatiuon about the oddcast encoder settings then please
let me know so i can add them to the how-to
adam
On 12 Feb 2003, Kerry Cox wrote:
> Absolutely!! That was one thing that I was missing and would have like
> to have included.
> You can either send me the data or let us know the link. If you wouldn't
> mind adding to this HOWTO and I will post a link to your page so that
> people would know where I got the original files.
> Sounds good.
> KJ
>
>
> On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 10:37, adam wrote:
> > looks great! :-)
> >
> > if you like i can post a how-to for setting up and streaming with oddcast
> > and the win32 icecast 2 from oddsock (I have both with step by step screen
> > shots etc).
> >
> > adam
> >
> >
> > On 12 Feb 2003, Kerry Cox wrote:
> >
> > > Howdy. I just posted an unofficial HOWTO on configuring icecast2 on a
> > > Linux or other UNIX machine. It's just a draft in DocBook format, but I
> > > was hoping it might help someone. I've worked enough with icecast over
> > > the past few years that I thought it time to share what I've learned.
> > > The URL is as follows: http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/
> > > I have older documentation in http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/docs/ for
> > > those interested. For a more complete treatise on icecast-1.3.x take a
> > > look at http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/legacy/.
> > > I can provide the URL to my station's own MP3 stream (using
> > > icecast-1.3.x) or to our new OGG stream (using icecast2) to those
> > > parties interested. I also have a test audio stream playing a few audio
> > > files in OGG format as a quality check.
> > > Any feedback or suggestions for improvements would be appreciated.
> > > KJ
> > >
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From pierre.amadio at libertysurf.fr Thu Feb 13 13:06:29 2003
From: pierre.amadio at libertysurf.fr (Pierre Amadio)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 14:06:29 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Unofficial Icecast HOWTO posted
In-Reply-To: <20030213112828.S90352-100000@xs1.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <20030213130629.GA6408@melmoth.dyndns.org>
Hi there.
We are trying to merge several icecast 2 related document in a single
one that may end as an official kind of documentation.
Kerry Cox's unofficial howto and Ciaran Anscomb's Ices howto are already
been used and started to be merged.
Project page is available here:
http://savannah.nongnu.org/projects/interopcast/
Documentation is written in docbook format.
Current html snapshots are available here:
http://melmoth.dyndns.org/stream/doc/
CVS browsable here:
http://savannah.nongnu.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs/interopcast/documentation/
> I put the oddcast help online at:
> http://www.radioqualia.net/oddcast
Nice :)
Interopcast's document does not yet countain any windows related
information. I guess a window related chapter would be valuable.
If any of you would like to join the effort, thanks to create an account
on savannah, join the interopcast mailing list, and volounteer for
windows part (well, unix writers are welcome too :) ).
Have a nice day.
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From l.immink at vpro.nl Fri Feb 14 00:46:16 2003
From: l.immink at vpro.nl (lucien immink)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 16:46:16 -0800
Subject: [icecast] swapping mountpoints
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Hi,
is it possible to swap and/or delete mountpoints on an icecast2 server?
I need this so I can start another stream on the same mountpoint.
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From ronnie at mixsessions.com Thu Feb 13 16:41:48 2003
From: ronnie at mixsessions.com (ronnie at mixsessions.com)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 11:41:48 -0500
Subject: [icecast] xslt-config
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From kerry.cox at ksl.com Thu Feb 13 16:54:33 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 13 Feb 2003 09:54:33 -0700
Subject: [icecast] xslt-config
In-Reply-To: On Thu, 2003-02-13 at 09:41, ronnie at mixsessions.com wrote:
> after running sh autogen.sh and Icecast begins to complie (is this the correct term)
>
> I get the folling:
>
> ..
> checking for getaddrinfo... yes
> checking for inet_pton... yes
> checking for xslt-config... no
> configure: error: xslt-config could not be found
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> Could some one please explain. Thanks !
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> after running sh autogen.sh and Icecast begins to complie (is this the correct term)
>
> I get the folling:
>
> ..
> checking for getaddrinfo... yes
> checking for inet_pton... yes
> checking for xslt-config... no
> configure: error: xslt-config could not be found
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> Could some one please explain. Thanks !
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From msmith at xiph.org Thu Feb 13 23:24:01 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 10:24:01 +1100
Subject: [icecast] swapping mountpoints
In-Reply-To: <008e01c2d3c2$7de28ab0$a9a93a91@imhehenkamp>
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On Friday 14 February 2003 11:46, lucien immink wrote:
> Hi,
>
> is it possible to swap and/or delete mountpoints on an icecast2 server?
> I need this so I can start another stream on the same mountpoint.
You can move all existing clients to a new mountpoint automatically when a
source disconnects. Not quite the same, but possibly close enough.
Use a web browser to go to
http://server:port/admin/fallbacks?mount=/mount1&fallback=/mountyouwanttomoveto
Use the username and password for the first mountpoint (username is 'source'
if not otherwise specified).
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From toni_guga at lycos.it Fri Feb 14 09:32:18 2003
From: toni_guga at lycos.it (stream)
Date: 14 Feb 2003 10:32:18 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Ciao, This is not a real problem but only a command line reminder :-)
Message-ID: <1045215138.8664.5.camel@stream.itg.com>
hi all.
How can I say to ices playlist to to stream all the content of a
directory without writing every single song on the playlist file....?
I there is a command line ore smth else to do it....?
thanks all, toni fron italy
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From scott at rainyday.ca Fri Feb 14 14:04:53 2003
From: scott at rainyday.ca (Scott Toderash)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 08:04:53 -0600
Subject: [icecast] ices doesn't compile for me
Message-ID: <3E4CF785.70600@rainyday.ca>
Hi. I downloaded the ices source from CVS yesterday and have been
trying to get something going. I got icecast running, but I want to use
ices to stream from my sound card to icecast. That seems to be the most
straight forward way to do things, but ices does not compile (see below).
I have a fresh install of Mandrake 9.0. btw, I also found an RPM
ices-0.2.3-3mdk which seemed like an easy solution, but it fails
consistently saying no ices namespace found. I found a source listing
on the web
(
http://cvs.icecast.org/cvsweb.cgi/ices/src/ices_config.c?annotate=1.2&sortby=author
) showing that it had a hard-coded URL in it, which is now a 404 (
http://www.icecast.org/projects/ices ). My source code from the CVS
does not have this in it, so I'd go back to building from source but...
*********
make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/src/xiph/ices/src'
gcc -DPACKAGE_NAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_TARNAME=\"\" -DPACKAGE_VERSION=\"\"
-DPACKAGE_STRING=\"\" -DPACKAGE_BUGREPORT=\"\" -DPACKAGE=\"ices\"
-DVERSION=\"2.0\" -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_SYS_TYPES_H=1
-DHAVE_SYS_STAT_H=1 -DHAVE_STDLIB_H=1 -DHAVE_STRING_H=1
-DHAVE_MEMORY_H=1 -DHAVE_STRINGS_H=1 -DHAVE_INTTYPES_H=1
-DHAVE_STDINT_H=1 -DHAVE_UNISTD_H=1 -DHAVE_DLFCN_H=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1
-DHAVE_STDINT_H=1 -I. -I. -Inet -Ithread -Iavl -Ilog -Itiming
-DHAVE_OSS -O20 -ffast-math -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT
-D_GNU_SOURCE -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/include -I/include -I/include -c
input.c
In file included from input.c:29:
input.h:34: parse error before "shout_t"
input.h:34: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
input.h:36: parse error before '}' token
input.h:36: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
input.c: In function `input_loop':
input.c:276: `arg' undeclared (first use in this function)
input.c:276: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
input.c:276: for each function it appears in.)
make[2]: *** [input.o] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/xiph/ices/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/xiph/ices/src'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
**********
I really want to get this working asap. If there were some stable
tarballs I could download instead of using the CVS, I might prefer that.
I don't know how stable the CVS versions are considered.
tia - any help you can give me would be great, please, thanks...
t
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From cer20um at axpsu.fpf.slu.cz Fri Feb 14 15:12:31 2003
From: cer20um at axpsu.fpf.slu.cz (marek cervenka)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:12:31 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [icecast] ices2 - memory leak
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From marek.cervenka at fpf.slu.cz Fri Feb 14 15:16:11 2003
From: marek.cervenka at fpf.slu.cz (marek cervenka)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 16:16:11 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [icecast] Re: ices2 - memory leak
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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk Fri Feb 14 17:05:17 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 14 Feb 2003 17:05:17 +0000
Subject: [icecast] ices doesn't compile for me
In-Reply-To: <3E4CF785.70600@rainyday.ca>
Message-ID: <1045242319.1031.25.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 14:04, Scott Toderash wrote:
> In file included from input.c:29:
> input.h:34: parse error before "shout_t"
> input.h:34: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union
> input.h:36: parse error before '}' token
> input.h:36: warning: data definition has no type or storage class
> input.c: In function `input_loop':
> input.c:276: `arg' undeclared (first use in this function)
> input.c:276: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
> input.c:276: for each function it appears in.)
> make[2]: *** [input.o] Error 1
> make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/xiph/ices/src'
> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/xiph/ices/src'
> make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
> **********
>
> I really want to get this working asap. If there were some stable
> tarballs I could download instead of using the CVS, I might prefer that.
> I don't know how stable the CVS versions are considered.
you need the libshout from CVS as well, note to self, put a check in!!!
karl.
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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk Fri Feb 14 17:19:01 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 14 Feb 2003 17:19:01 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Re: ices2 - memory leak
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From swave at mara.org Fri Feb 14 19:12:33 2003
From: swave at mara.org (Steve Meuse)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:12:33 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Firewall issue with Icecast
Message-ID: <20030214191233.GA7073@mara.org>
Greetings,
I've recently setup Icecast2 and Ices2 from the sources in the CVS repository.
Everything seems to be working fine with the exception of a firewall issue
that I'm having.
Icecast appears to use a TCP connection, for session setup, that is initiated
by the client. Icecast then sources a TCP connection back to the client for
the stream itself. This basically how non-passive-mode FTP works. This creates
a serious problem for anyone using a stateful firewall that blocks incoming
TCP SYN, like I am (not by my own choice).
Here is the output from netstat: (edited to protect the guilty)
Active Internet connections (servers and established)
Proto Recv-Q Send-Q Local Address Foreign Address State
tcp 0 0 0.0.0.0:8000 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN
tcp 0 0 127.0.0.1:8000 127.0.0.1:32769 ESTABLISHED
tcp 0 333 195.160.32.13:8000 69.33.150.171:2985 ESTABLISHED
195.160.32.13 is the machine running Icecast, 69.33.150.171 the client which
is running Winamp.
The server and the streamer are on the same machine.
Is there anyway to configure Icecast to let the client initiate the stream
connection, like passive-mode FTP? I've looked at what documentation that I've
been able to get my hands on, but haven't seen anything. Is there hope or am
I simply missing something?
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From pierre.amadio at libertysurf.fr Fri Feb 14 18:41:09 2003
From: pierre.amadio at libertysurf.fr (Pierre Amadio)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 19:41:09 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Firewall issue with Icecast
In-Reply-To: <20030214191233.GA7073@mara.org>
Message-ID: <20030214184109.GA12417@melmoth.dyndns.org>
Hi there.
I think (but i may be wrong) trouble with ftp is that it use 2 ports,
one for data, the other for commands.
On passive mode, you will still need an open port on the ftp server to
get client connection, the difference will be in which computer will
start the connection for data socket (port 20).
Whatever the mode, ftp server will have to listen on port 21.
Icecast use only 1 port, so all you have to do is to accept connection
on port 8000. There shall be no active/passive trouble such as ftp.
Well, at least this is how i imagine things are , are they not ? :)
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From swave at mara.org Fri Feb 14 19:51:11 2003
From: swave at mara.org (Steve Meuse)
Date: Fri, 14 Feb 2003 14:51:11 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Firewall issue with Icecast
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Pierre Amadio expunged (pierre.amadio at libertysurf.fr):
> Icecast use only 1 port, so all you have to do is to accept connection
> on port 8000. There shall be no active/passive trouble such as ftp.
>
> Well, at least this is how i imagine things are , are they not ? :)
I guess I need to provide a packet trace, which I don't have handy. I
think that Icecast may initiate a TCP SYN back to the client, which is why
I'm having a problem. Stateful firewalls tend not to allow packets back in
unless they have the established bit set. If it actually is sending a SYN
back for the stream (which I need to verify) it won't set the established bit
and the firewall will drop it.
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From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk Fri Feb 14 20:37:13 2003
From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes)
Date: 14 Feb 2003 20:37:13 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Firewall issue with Icecast
In-Reply-To: <20030214195111.GA7301@mara.org>
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On Fri, 2003-02-14 at 19:51, Steve Meuse wrote:
> I guess I need to provide a packet trace, which I don't have handy. I
> think that Icecast may initiate a TCP SYN back to the client, which is why
> I'm having a problem. Stateful firewalls tend not to allow packets back in
> unless they have the established bit set. If it actually is sending a SYN
> back for the stream (which I need to verify) it won't set the established bit
> and the firewall will drop it.
use tcpdump or ethereal.
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From msmith at xiph.org Sat Feb 15 00:09:36 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 11:09:36 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Firewall issue with Icecast
In-Reply-To: <20030214191233.GA7073@mara.org>
Message-ID: <200302151109.36868.msmith@xiph.org>
On Saturday 15 February 2003 06:12, Steve Meuse wrote:
> Greetings,
>
> I've recently setup Icecast2 and Ices2 from the sources in the CVS
> repository. Everything seems to be working fine with the exception of a
> firewall issue that I'm having.
>
> Icecast appears to use a TCP connection, for session setup, that is
> initiated by the client. Icecast then sources a TCP connection back to the
> client for the stream itself. This basically how non-passive-mode FTP
> works. This creates a serious problem for anyone using a stateful firewall
> that blocks incoming TCP SYN, like I am (not by my own choice).
icecast only produces outgoing connections to connect to servers it is
relaying. Client connections will never have the behaviour you described.
Mike
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From swave at mara.org Sat Feb 15 19:06:03 2003
From: swave at mara.org (Steve Meuse)
Date: Sat, 15 Feb 2003 14:06:03 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Firewall issue with Icecast
In-Reply-To: <200302151109.36868.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <20030215190603.GB11143@mara.org>
Michael Smith expunged (msmith at xiph.org):
> On Saturday 15 February 2003 06:12, Steve Meuse wrote:
> > Icecast appears to use a TCP connection, for session setup, that is
> > initiated by the client. Icecast then sources a TCP connection back to the
> > client for the stream itself. This basically how non-passive-mode FTP
> > works. This creates a serious problem for anyone using a stateful firewall
> > that blocks incoming TCP SYN, like I am (not by my own choice).
>
> icecast only produces outgoing connections to connect to servers it is
> relaying. Client connections will never have the behaviour you described.
You are 100% correct. The problem turned out to be a client issue. Winamp
was doing something strange. I've installed foobar2000 and it's working fine.
When I get back from my travels (I'm in London for a few weeks) I'll try to
provide more information.
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From gshang at uq.net.au Sat Feb 15 23:07:26 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 09:07:26 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] icecast vs real player
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From mjs at blitztechnology.net Mon Feb 17 06:27:30 2003
From: mjs at blitztechnology.net (Mitchell)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 16:27:30 +1000
Subject: [icecast] streaming ogg from WinAmp
Message-ID: <000701c2d64d$a8bbc8e0$0301a8c0@blitztechnology.net>
Hi list,
I was just wondering if there was a way to stream using ogg format from
WinAmp.
I could always take the output from WinAmp and feed it in to the sound card
on my Linux box and use the live streaming option of ices, but that sounds a
bit messy.
Also what is a recommended quality to stream ogg at so that modem listeners
can pick it up with out many skips. I found that 32k was fine in most
instances when using mp3, but not sure how that would relate to the ogg
format.
Any help appreciated as always.
From swave at mara.org Mon Feb 17 10:22:22 2003
From: swave at mara.org (Steve Meuse)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 05:22:22 -0500
Subject: [icecast] streaming ogg from WinAmp
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Mitchell expunged (mjs at blitztechnology.net):
> Hi list,
>
> I was just wondering if there was a way to stream using ogg format from
> WinAmp.
http://www.icecast.org/thirdparty.html
Second item down, OddcastDSP.
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From adam at xs4all.nl Mon Feb 17 09:27:12 2003
From: adam at xs4all.nl (adam)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:27:12 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [icecast] streaming ogg from WinAmp
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www.radioqualia.net/oddcast
(step by step guide to using ogg under winamp)
adam
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Steve Meuse wrote:
> Mitchell expunged (mjs at blitztechnology.net):
>
> > Hi list,
> >
> > I was just wondering if there was a way to stream using ogg format from
> > WinAmp.
>
> http://www.icecast.org/thirdparty.html
>
> Second item down, OddcastDSP.
>
> -Steve
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From deva at downstreamdigital.com Mon Feb 17 10:18:11 2003
From: deva at downstreamdigital.com (Deva Seetharam)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 05:18:11 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] song titles
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From msmith at xiph.org Mon Feb 17 11:38:34 2003
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 22:38:34 +1100
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From djdij at handbags.freeserve.co.uk Mon Feb 17 14:28:45 2003
From: djdij at handbags.freeserve.co.uk (Martin Blackwell)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 14:28:45 -0000
Subject: [icecast] streaming ogg from WinAmp
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> http://www.icecast.org/thirdparty.html
>
> Second item down, OddcastDSP.
>
Easier & Better than that, http://www.oddsock.org, the home of Oddcast DSP
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From reubendb at innovativethought.com Mon Feb 17 15:28:48 2003
From: reubendb at innovativethought.com (Reuben D. Budiardja)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:28:48 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Re-encoding ogg on the fly
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Hello,
Does ices2 and icecast2 support re-encoding of ogg file on the fly? Just like
icecast and ices can do that with mp3 with lame.
If yes, what are needed ?
Thanks
RDB
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 10:27:51 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Re-encoding ogg on the fly
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libvorbis0
libvorbisenc
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From chrisg1 at umbc.edu Mon Feb 17 22:01:57 2003
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Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2003 17:01:57 -0500
Subject: [icecast] streaming ogg from WinAmp
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>===== Original Message From "Mitchell" pls. let me know.
thanks,
deva
On Mon, 17 Feb 2003, Michael Smith wrote:
> On Monday 17 February 2003 21:18, Deva Seetharam wrote:
> > Hello All,
> >
> > while icecast is streaming a mp3 source, how is the song title info
> > maintained?
> >
> > that is, does the source send the song title? does icecast log the songs
> > that have been played?
> >
>
> This (for almost-compatibility with shoutcast - true compatibility is
> difficult or impossible, since the shoutcast "HTTP" implementation looks very
> little like HTTP) uses a GET request to:
>
> http://server:port/admin/metadata?mode=updinfo&mount=/yourmountpoint&song=songtitle
>
> Obviously, proper url-escaping of mountpoint (possibly - but most mountpoints
> are ok), and songtitle (almost always) is neccesary.
>
> This metadata is sent on to the client using the nasty shoutcast metadata
> protocol (it's horrid, but it's the only one widely supported by clients), so
> things like what character set the title it in seem to be completely
> undefined. icecast will send it on regardless, so if your source sends it in
> a character set the client is expecting, it'll work.
>
> This gets logged at debug level - you can change that if you actually need it
> logged specifically - see handle_metadata_request in src/connection.c.
>
> Mike
>
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:17:10 +0100
Subject: [icecast] m3u - file definition
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:31:58 +0100
Subject: [icecast] m3u - file definition
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From deva at downstreamdigital.com Tue Feb 18 18:10:09 2003
From: deva at downstreamdigital.com (Deva Seetharam)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 13:10:09 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] song titles
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From geezer at freesounds.net Wed Feb 19 03:06:39 2003
From: geezer at freesounds.net (geezer)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:06:39 -0800
Subject: [icecast] off: live365 relay
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Answer to your question:
Live365 is strictly mp3
Much more than you wanted to know:
I started using Live365 about a zillion years ago and of course it was wonderful "back in the good ole daze". After you
signed up with them, you could park 365 meg of mp3s (up to 56k) and/or set up a relay (using either icecast or
shoutcast) all for free. (Dirty little secret was at first, although you could only park mp3s encoded at 56k or lower, their
relay server would gleefully relay streams up to 128kbs) About the only downside at that point was that their server
wouldn't pass ID3 data so listeners had to go to the Live365 site to see song info and there was no info for relays. Not a
problem, since Oddsock and others made programs available to easily display tunes on your own website.
Eventually Live365 figured out it would be neccesary to make some money to cover the bandwidth they were giving
away, so they began dropping commercials in at random during your stream. Then they started charging for expanded "
directory listings. Then they started charging for virtually all services. - They were pretty nice, and let their "founding"
broadcasters get an almost free ride, but began charging a $5 / month "administration" fee to offset CARP payments to
the RIAA. Mediacast1.com and StreamGuys began offering reasonably priced alternate bandwidth during this time and I
began losing interest in Live365.
Recently they've blocked direct access to the streams - listeners have to "log-in" to hear a stream. I'm not going to talk
trash about Live365 - they made it possible for a lot of folks to get involved with internet radio, but I fear that they cruised
with no business plan for too long and are now in kind of a pickle trying to put the place on a paying basis.
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From ronnie at mixsessions.com Wed Feb 19 00:03:22 2003
From: ronnie at mixsessions.com (ronnie at mixsessions.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 19:03:22 -0500
Subject: [icecast] icecast 1.x vs icecast 2
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upgrade to icecast2? Should I?
I have found alot on info on icecast 1.x. I am familiar with how to use it and what it can do for me. I may be looking in the wrong places but I feel info on icecast 2 is limitted and sometimes confusing. Is there anyone out there that can direct me to info on icecast2. Or maybe explain what the big advantage would be to change or upgrade to version 2. I only have interest in streaming in mp3 format.
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From jan at passions.org Tue Feb 18 23:46:40 2003
From: jan at passions.org (Jan Hübener)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 01:46:40 +0200
Subject: [icecast] off: live365 relay
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you're from tilos.hu, right ?
have you tried fdcservers.net ?
is the 1.3 TB offer @ 99$ or any of theirs useful for a radio ?
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From: "Akos Maroy" > A bit off-topic question: has anyone any experiences with the relaying
> service that live365.com has? what kind of stream(s) do they relay? what
> is the protocol they use?
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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au Wed Feb 19 00:55:36 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 00:55:36 -0000
Subject: [icecast] icecast 1.x vs icecast 2
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ronnie at mixsessions.com said:
> upgrade to icecast2? Should I?
>
>
> I have found alot on info on icecast 1.x. I am familiar with how to use it
and what it can do for me. I may be looking in the wrong places but I feel
info on icecast 2 is limitted and sometimes confusing. Is there anyone out
there that can direct me to info on icecast2. Or maybe explain what the big
advantage would be to change or upgrade to version 2. I only have interest in
streaming in mp3 format.
>
The major reasons to use icecast2 over 1.x are:
stability
security
scalability
support
multiple formats
Mike
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Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:01:13 -0500
Subject: [icecast] icecast 1.x vs icecast 2
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From medwards at ualberta.ca Wed Feb 19 03:38:29 2003
From: medwards at ualberta.ca (M Edwards)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 20:38:29 -0700
Subject: [icecast] icecast 1.x vs icecast 2
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If you search the archives someone posted an unofficial howto to get icecast2
started. Was immensely helpful on the config file side of things. I then
stumbled across a short specification on the ices config file which helped me
figure out how to properly hook up a perl script to ices.
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From ronnie at mixsessions.com Wed Feb 19 03:52:23 2003
From: ronnie at mixsessions.com (ronnie at mixsessions.com)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 22:52:23 -0500
Subject: [icecast] ices2
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can i stream static mp3 files using ices2?
if so does the mount point need to to be something similar to"mountpoint1.m3u", "mountoint1.mp3" or just "mountpoint1"
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From rvelez at sunguruz.com Wed Feb 19 05:12:18 2003
From: rvelez at sunguruz.com (rvelez)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 00:12:18 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Stream M3u playlist file
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Hi I am currently using icecast-1.3.12 and ices-0.2.3, was wondering if
it were possible to stream an M3u play list file rather than streaming
.mp3 files. Thanks for your help guys
-Rad
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Subject: [icecast] Stream M3u playlist file
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rvelez Akos
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From msmith at xiph.org Wed Feb 19 07:53:00 2003
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Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 18:53:00 +1100
Subject: [icecast] icecast 1.x vs icecast 2
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From kerry.cox at ksl.com Wed Feb 19 15:09:49 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 19 Feb 2003 08:09:49 -0700
Subject: [icecast] icecast 1.x vs icecast 2
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Hope that helps.
KJ
On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 07:04, ronnie at mixsessions.com wrote:
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From maria at mariaworld.com Wed Feb 19 20:12:53 2003
From: maria at mariaworld.com (Maria Wright)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 14:12:53 -0600
Subject: [icecast] playlist handler questions
Message-ID: <00b301c2d853$48bc4b60$4f8fe5d8@pdc.forward.net>
I have a bad habit of re-creating the wheel, and have the feeling Im missing
some critical info, so... before I delve any deeper I wanted to throw this
out there for some clarity: Im all kinds of confused about building a
playlist handler.
Lets say I wanted on demand streaming...
(running icecast-1.3.12, ices-0.2.3 on RH7.2)
I COULD conceivably write a cgi that says:
heres a list of tunes
check which ones you want
name your stream
submit
I could then strip the songs out and put them into a playlist file.
Then on the fly write an ices.conf file and create a new mountpoint for the
new stream.
Then start up a new instance of ices using that new conffile on
www.domain.com:8000/mount.$streamname
And kick back the user an html page that says, click here for your stream...
I would presume then, that when their stream is over (playlist is played),
the stream would revert to the existing generic stream already running.
(If I remember correctly, to have 2 concurrent streams, I need 2 instances
of ices running, with two separate conf files.)
This all seems like a potentially unwieldy and unsophisticated way to go
about this, and it would still be using the built-in ices playlist handler.
The perl playlist handler skeleton in ices doesnt really give me a picture
of its potential. Is there an existing example out there I could check out?
There was a post recently about code for a python playlist handler, but the
link was busted when I checked yesterday.
Thanks in advance.
Maria
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From telmnstr at 757.org Thu Feb 20 04:30:54 2003
From: telmnstr at 757.org (Ethan)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 23:30:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] "Touch directory servers" stops icecast?
Message-ID: <20030219232626.J14754-100000@users.757.org>
Currently we are running our Icecast server and Darkice clients privately.
Tonite I decided to take it public.
I uncommented the line for the yp.icecast host as well as the yp.shoutcast
host. However upon trying to start icecast again (making it read the conf
file and fall to background) it just hangs.
I tried commenting out the icecast one, and just leaving the shoutcast
one. It hangs.
I tried commeting out the shoutcast one, and just leaving the icecast one.
It hangs.
When I run Icecast in interactive mode (console) it immediately "touches"
the icecast yp server.
Any thoughts?
My host running darkice is on a script that retries the connections to the
icecast server in a loop until the connection is made.... could there be a
problem there? The second icecast is up it gets hit with 11 encoder
connections.
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From msmith at xiph.org Thu Feb 20 08:14:15 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 19:14:15 +1100
Subject: [icecast] playlist handler questions
In-Reply-To: <00b301c2d853$48bc4b60$4f8fe5d8@pdc.forward.net>
Message-ID: <200302201914.15906.msmith@xiph.org>
On Thursday 20 February 2003 07:12, Maria Wright wrote:
> I have a bad habit of re-creating the wheel, and have the feeling Im
> missing some critical info, so... before I delve any deeper I wanted to
> throw this out there for some clarity: Im all kinds of confused about
> building a playlist handler.
>
> Lets say I wanted on demand streaming...
> (running icecast-1.3.12, ices-0.2.3 on RH7.2)
>
> I COULD conceivably write a cgi that says:
> heres a list of tunes
> check which ones you want
> name your stream
> submit
>
> I could then strip the songs out and put them into a playlist file.
> Then on the fly write an ices.conf file and create a new mountpoint for the
> new stream.
> Then start up a new instance of ices using that new conffile on
> www.domain.com:8000/mount.$streamname
> And kick back the user an html page that says, click here for your
> stream...
>
> I would presume then, that when their stream is over (playlist is played),
> the stream would revert to the existing generic stream already running.
> (If I remember correctly, to have 2 concurrent streams, I need 2 instances
> of ices running, with two separate conf files.)
>
> This all seems like a potentially unwieldy and unsophisticated way to go
> about this, and it would still be using the built-in ices playlist handler.
> The perl playlist handler skeleton in ices doesnt really give me a picture
> of its potential. Is there an existing example out there I could check
> out? There was a post recently about code for a python playlist handler,
> but the link was busted when I checked yesterday.
>
Icecast is not the program you're looking for.
Mike
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From smcmanus at twcsd.com Thu Feb 20 16:16:35 2003
From: smcmanus at twcsd.com (Shaun Mcmanus)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 08:16:35 -0800
Subject: [icecast] UDP Vs. TCP
Message-ID: <2184054731A7D211A5B00008C7B109D3AD2A14@EXCHGSRV>
I haven't touched IceCast yet, but I evaluating it for a project. On the
website it says it uses TCP for streaming, is there an option of UDP?
Wouldn't UDP be better for a large amount of streams? Thanks
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From swave at mara.org Thu Feb 20 17:18:50 2003
From: swave at mara.org (Steve Meuse)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 12:18:50 -0500
Subject: [icecast] UDP Vs. TCP
In-Reply-To: <2184054731A7D211A5B00008C7B109D3AD2A14@EXCHGSRV>
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Shaun Mcmanus expunged (smcmanus at twcsd.com):
> I haven't touched IceCast yet, but I evaluating it for a project. On the
> website it says it uses TCP for streaming, is there an option of UDP?
> Wouldn't UDP be better for a large amount of streams? Thanks
I guess on some level it might, but using UDP for a wide audience will cause
all sorts of issues for people behind firewalls. TCP is much more friendly
to things like NAT and stateful firewalls. While it is possible to poke
holes in firewalls, and do port forwarding, it's not something you want to
do on a large scale, IMHO.
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From smcmanus at twcsd.com Thu Feb 20 17:56:30 2003
From: smcmanus at twcsd.com (Shaun Mcmanus)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 09:56:30 -0800
Subject: [icecast] UDP Vs. TCP
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] UDP Vs. TCP>
Message-ID: <2184054731A7D211A5B00008C7B109D3AD2A15@EXCHGSRV>
The project involves a "private" broadcast so setting up firewall rules and
forwarding would be a problem ... I'm going to post the project proposal
once I have it finished, since it is a really cool project.
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Shaun Mcmanus expunged (smcmanus at twcsd.com):
> I haven't touched IceCast yet, but I evaluating it for a project. On the
> website it says it uses TCP for streaming, is there an option of UDP?
> Wouldn't UDP be better for a large amount of streams? Thanks
I guess on some level it might, but using UDP for a wide audience will cause
all sorts of issues for people behind firewalls. TCP is much more friendly
to things like NAT and stateful firewalls. While it is possible to poke
holes in firewalls, and do port forwarding, it's not something you want to
do on a large scale, IMHO.
-Steve
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From mark at knm.org Thu Feb 20 17:56:38 2003
From: mark at knm.org (Mark Lehrer)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:56:38 -0700
Subject: [icecast] UDP Vs. TCP
In-Reply-To: <20030220171850.GA919@mara.org>
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> I guess on some level it might, but using UDP for a wide audience will cause
> all sorts of issues for people behind firewalls. TCP is much more friendly
Multicasting would be more interesting, but firewalls would again
be an issue.
Mark
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From smcmanus at twcsd.com Thu Feb 20 18:11:26 2003
From: smcmanus at twcsd.com (Shaun Mcmanus)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 10:11:26 -0800
Subject: [icecast] UDP Vs. TCP
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] UDP Vs. TCP>
Message-ID: <2184054731A7D211A5B00008C7B109D3AD2A16@EXCHGSRV>
>Multicasting would be more interesting, but firewalls would again
>be an issue.
>Mark
Multicasting would be more interesting but not feasible for the project. The
design has to be able to feed multiply end points while those end points can
change sources at will as well as generate their own stream. Some of the
broadcasts will be timed (on-air slots) say Friday night 1900-2200.
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From swave at mara.org Thu Feb 20 19:25:00 2003
From: swave at mara.org (Steve Meuse)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 14:25:00 -0500
Subject: [icecast] UDP Vs. TCP
In-Reply-To: <2184054731A7D211A5B00008C7B109D3AD2A16@EXCHGSRV>
Message-ID: <20030220192500.GB919@mara.org>
Shaun Mcmanus expunged (smcmanus at twcsd.com):
> >Multicasting would be more interesting, but firewalls would again
> >be an issue.
>
> >Mark
>
> Multicasting would be more interesting but not feasible for the project. The
> design has to be able to feed multiply end points while those end points can
> change sources at will as well as generate their own stream. Some of the
> broadcasts will be timed (on-air slots) say Friday night 1900-2200.
That and the lack of Multicast deployement on most backbones/regional networks.
The other issue is that UDP tends to be a dumb protocol, especially when
dealing with network congestion. It doesn't deal, where TCP has some back-off
mechanisms. Of course, where you are streaming something, that may be more
detrimental depending on the b/w of the stream.
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From smcmanus at twcsd.com Thu Feb 20 19:27:04 2003
From: smcmanus at twcsd.com (Shaun Mcmanus)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:27:04 -0800
Subject: [icecast] UDP Vs. TCP
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] UDP Vs. TCP>
Message-ID: <2184054731A7D211A5B00008C7B109D3AD2A17@EXCHGSRV>
>That and the lack of Multicast deployement on most backbones/regional
networks.
>
>The other issue is that UDP tends to be a dumb protocol, especially when
>dealing with network congestion. It doesn't deal, where TCP has some
back-off
>mechanisms. Of course, where you are streaming something, that may be more
>detrimental depending on the b/w of the stream.
>
>-Steve
The broadcast doesn't need to leave our city and I work for a major ISP so
getting Multicasting or Mbone on our system would just take a little social
engineering. The streams need to be as small as possible, so low quality is
fine. I remember when I first started ripping CDs into MP3s, I saw this
scale with CD quality on top and its equivalent bitrate, then tape, then FM
radio and then finally AM radio. Is there something like that for Ogg
Vorbis? We only need FM radio quality. Is the packet handling stack for
IceCast modular? UDP would be nice and even a SSL method whould be
interesting.
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From photos at interfree.it Thu Feb 20 21:26:20 2003
From: photos at interfree.it (photos-ifree)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:26:20 +0100
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 : library error lcrypto
Message-ID: <1541847653.20030220222620@interfree.it>
Hello icecast,
I've a Linux server with this configuration:
Slackware 8.1
Apache with mod_ssl
openssl
I've installed (from cvs):
OGG
VORBIS
I've installed ICECAST 2 trough this command:
./autogen.sh
./configure --with-ogg-prefix=/[path]/ogg \
--with-vorbis-prefix=/[path]/vorbis
(from configure):
checking for Ogg... yes
checking for Vorbis... yes
checking for libcurl... yes
checking pthread.h usability... yes
checking pthread.h presence... yes
checking for pthread.h... yes
checking for the pthreads library -lpthreads... no
checking whether pthreads work without any flags... yes
checking for joinable pthread attribute... PTHREAD_CREATE_JOINABLE
checking if more special flags are required for pthreads... no
checking for cc_r... gcc
configure: creating ./config.status
config.status: creating Makefile
config.status: creating conf/Makefile
config.status: creating src/Makefile
config.status: creating src/avl/Makefile
config.status: creating src/httpp/Makefile
config.status: creating src/thread/Makefile
config.status: creating src/log/Makefile
config.status: creating src/net/Makefile
config.status: creating src/timing/Makefile
config.status: creating doc/Makefile
config.status: creating web/Makefile
config.status: creating win32/Makefile
config.status: creating win32/res/Makefile
config.status: executing default-1 commands
When I try the "make", I have this error:
gcc -g -O20 -ffast-math -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/usr/include/libxml2
-I/usr/include/ogg/include -I/usr/include/vorbis/include -o icecast config.o main.o logging.o sighandler.o connection.o global.o util.o slave.o source.o stats.o refbuf.o client.o format.o format_vorbis.o format_mp3.o xslt.o fserve.o geturl.o yp.o
net/.libs/libicenet.al thread/.libs/libicethread.al httpp/.libs/libicehttpp.al log/.libs/libicelog.al avl/.libs/libiceavl.al timing/.libs/libicetiming.al -lpthread -L/usr/lib /usr/lib/libxslt.so -lm -lz -lm -lm -lz -lm -lz -lm /usr/lib/libxml2.so -lz -lm -lz -lm -L/usr/include/ogg/lib
-L/usr/include/vorbis/lib /usr/lib/libvorbis.so -lm /usr/lib/libogg.so -lm /usr/lib/libcurl.so -lssl -lcrypto -ldl
/usr/i386-slackware-linux/bin/ld: cannot find -lcrypto
collect2: ld returned 1 exit status
make[2]: *** [icecast] Error 1
make[2]: Leaving directory `/[path]/icecast/src'
make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
make[1]: Leaving directory `/[path]/icecast/src'
make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
Where is the "lcrypto"???
Any idea to solve this problem???
Thanks in advance
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From gtgbr at gmx.net Thu Feb 20 22:52:39 2003
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 23:52:39 +0100
Subject: [icecast] UDP Vs. TCP
In-Reply-To: <2184054731A7D211A5B00008C7B109D3AD2A17@EXCHGSRV>
Message-ID: <3E555C36.E680394F@gmx.net>
Shaun Mcmanus wrote:
> engineering. The streams need to be as small as possible, so low quality is
> fine. I remember when I first started ripping CDs into MP3s, I saw this
> scale with CD quality on top and its equivalent bitrate, then tape, then FM
> radio and then finally AM radio. Is there something like that for Ogg
> Vorbis? We only need FM radio quality. Is the packet handling stack for
Well, all this "CD quality" etc stuff is pretty subjective and mostly
based on marketing... it'd help more if you could tell more about your
desired target bitrate, or what you're used to from MP3's "FM radio
quality", e.g. what bitrate would that be?
Vorbis comes with quality levels, going from -1 to 10. The resulting
bitrate depends on the input format (e.g. whether you resample to
something lower than 44.1kHz, downmix to mono, etc) and to some extend
on the music you want to stream. Basically, Vorbis' quality levels allow
you to have, "AM", "FM" or "CD" quality and everything inbetween, above
and below (at least with resampling).
I suggest some experimenting. oggenc' manpage and online-help are pretty
useful, as well as the vorbis@ list archive (thinking of a similar
thread not so long ago).
Moritz
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From medwards at ualberta.ca Fri Feb 21 01:14:12 2003
From: medwards at ualberta.ca (M Edwards)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 18:14:12 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Couldn't Open Pipe to Program
Message-ID: <3E594B20@webmail.ualberta.ca>
[2003-02-20 15:24:05] EROR playlist-script/playlist_script_get_filename
Couldn't open pipe to program "/usr/local/icecast2/ices-ad.pm" Segmentation
fault
I'm running a perl script that apparently (rarely) kills ices for this reason.
The error occurs approximately once per day for no apparent reason. For the
rest of that period the script runs fine. In fact, after some investigation, I
can immediately restart ices with no problem.
As I love stability I want to figure out what causes this error so that I can
leave ices up and running for an extended period without worry. So, what
exactly would cause this kind of error?
--thanks
Michael Edwards
http://www.walledcity.ca/
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From marc at dubhead.xs4all.nl Fri Feb 21 16:48:22 2003
From: marc at dubhead.xs4all.nl (Marc Remijn)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 17:48:22 +0100 (CET)
Subject: [icecast] Re: Compiling ices
In-Reply-To: <1044307647.1083.65.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <37615.194.151.95.22.1045846102.squirrel@dubhead.xs4all.nl>
> On Mon, 2003-02-03 at 21:02, Marc Remijn wrote:
>
>> Same problem.
>>
>> kernel:
>> invalid operand: 0000
>> CPU: 0
>> EIP: 0010:[ >
> You can try to isolate certain things, ices (in your case) mainly reads
> from dsp and writes on network sockets. The encoding part of ices is
> very unlikely to cause the panic but the ksymoops output is more likely
> to indicate the area of concern.
>
> If you need more help email me directly, as this is not really an ices
> or icecast issue.
>
> karl.
>
>
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From jack at xiph.org Fri Feb 21 17:06:16 2003
From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 10:06:16 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Couldn't Open Pipe to Program
In-Reply-To: <3E594B20@webmail.ualberta.ca>
Message-ID: <20030221170616.GA1686@i.cantcode.com>
> [2003-02-20 15:24:05] EROR playlist-script/playlist_script_get_filename
> Couldn't open pipe to program "/usr/local/icecast2/ices-ad.pm" Segmentation
> fault
>
> I'm running a perl script that apparently (rarely) kills ices for this reason.
> The error occurs approximately once per day for no apparent reason. For the
> rest of that period the script runs fine. In fact, after some investigation, I
> can immediately restart ices with no problem.
>
> As I love stability I want to figure out what causes this error so that I can
> leave ices up and running for an extended period without worry. So, what
> exactly would cause this kind of error?
WIthout knowing anything other than what you've told me, I'd say that
ices is forgetting to close the pipe, and you are running out of file
handles. The segfault is indictative that the returned file handle
(which will be an error code) is probably being used without being
checked. Though why it would print out an error message I have no idea.
Whoever works on this problem will probably want to know what version of
ices you are using.
jack.
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From msmith at xiph.org Sat Feb 22 00:27:59 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 11:27:59 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Couldn't Open Pipe to Program
In-Reply-To: <20030221170616.GA1686@i.cantcode.com>
Message-ID: <200302221127.59413.msmith@xiph.org>
On Saturday 22 February 2003 04:06, Jack Moffitt wrote:
> > [2003-02-20 15:24:05] EROR playlist-script/playlist_script_get_filename
> > Couldn't open pipe to program "/usr/local/icecast2/ices-ad.pm"
> > Segmentation fault
> >
> > I'm running a perl script that apparently (rarely) kills ices for this
> > reason. The error occurs approximately once per day for no apparent
> > reason. For the rest of that period the script runs fine. In fact, after
> > some investigation, I can immediately restart ices with no problem.
> >
> > As I love stability I want to figure out what causes this error so that I
> > can leave ices up and running for an extended period without worry. So,
> > what exactly would cause this kind of error?
>
> WIthout knowing anything other than what you've told me, I'd say that
> ices is forgetting to close the pipe, and you are running out of file
> handles. The segfault is indictative that the returned file handle
> (which will be an error code) is probably being used without being
> checked. Though why it would print out an error message I have no idea.
It definately close the pipe appropriately. I'm not sure why it crashes - the
code path for that is fairly clean, and leads straight to normal shutdown
code, which worked fine last time I looked.
So I have no idea what the cause of the problem is here.
>
> Whoever works on this problem will probably want to know what version of
> ices you are using.
The error message was enough to let me figure that out.
Mike
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From teckyd at earthlink.net Sat Feb 22 01:19:48 2003
From: teckyd at earthlink.net (Daniel Chokola)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:19:48 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Trouble Connecting with Winamp
Message-ID: <004b01c2da10$7e5e5b00$0400a8c0@daniel>
Hi all,
I built the latest Win32 version of Icecast last night (need I say why its so cool?). I am using it with OddcastDSP and it connects and streams to Icecast just fine. However, when I try and connect to the server I get an HTTP/1.0 404 error. The log shows this:
127.0.0.1 - - [21/Feb/2003:19:51:08 Eastern Standard Time] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 404 109 "(null)" "-" 20793920
and the source log shows similar:
127.0.0.1 - - [21/Feb/2003:19:51:04 Eastern Standard Time] "SOURCE /ice.ogg ICE/1.0" 200 1009046 "(null)" "-" 4536824
Does anyone know why all of these nulls are being requested? Is there a problem in my configuration? I tried my best to gather information on the XMl configuration file, but there wasn't much more than a French site on this. Or is Oddcast to blame for this one?
Thanks a bunch,
Dan "The Man" C.
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From msmith at xiph.org Sat Feb 22 11:53:41 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 22:53:41 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Trouble Connecting with Winamp
In-Reply-To: <004b01c2da10$7e5e5b00$0400a8c0@daniel>
Message-ID: <200302222253.41046.msmith@xiph.org>
On Saturday 22 February 2003 12:19, Daniel Chokola wrote:
> Hi all,
> I built the latest Win32 version of Icecast last night (need I say why its
> so cool?). I am using it with OddcastDSP and it connects and streams to
> Icecast just fine. However, when I try and connect to the server I get an
> HTTP/1.0 404 error. The log shows this: 127.0.0.1 - - [21/Feb/2003:19:51:08
> Eastern Standard Time] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 404 109 "(null)" "-" 20793920 and
> the source log shows similar:
> 127.0.0.1 - - [21/Feb/2003:19:51:04 Eastern Standard Time] "SOURCE /ice.ogg
> ICE/1.0" 200 1009046 "(null)" "-" 4536824
>
> Does anyone know why all of these nulls are being requested? Is there a
> problem in my configuration? I tried my best to gather information on the
> XMl configuration file, but there wasn't much more than a French site on
> this. Or is Oddcast to blame for this one?
>
The nulls there are very strange - they shouldn't be possible - but aren't the
cause of your "problem". In fact, from this, it looks like everything other
than the logging is working perfectly. You're just asking your client (the
player, whatever you're using) to play the wrong thing, so it doesn't work.
The log here suggests that the source (oddcast) is at "/ice.ogg", but your
client is requesting "/" instead. Try putting in "http://server:port/ice.ogg"
instead of "http://server:port/".
Mike
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From teckyd at earthlink.net Sat Feb 22 15:51:32 2003
From: teckyd at earthlink.net (Daniel Chokola)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 10:51:32 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Trouble Connecting with Winamp
In-Reply-To: <200302222253.41046.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <000f01c2da8a$45eedfe0$0400a8c0@daniel>
thank you very much, im retarded and didnt realize i had to put the ogg in
the path :-P
----- Original Message -----
From: "Michael Smith" On Saturday 22 February 2003 12:19, Daniel Chokola wrote:
> Hi all,
> I built the latest Win32 version of Icecast last night (need I say why its
> so cool?). I am using it with OddcastDSP and it connects and streams to
> Icecast just fine. However, when I try and connect to the server I get an
> HTTP/1.0 404 error. The log shows this: 127.0.0.1 - -
[21/Feb/2003:19:51:08
> Eastern Standard Time] "GET / HTTP/1.0" 404 109 "(null)" "-" 20793920 and
> the source log shows similar:
> 127.0.0.1 - - [21/Feb/2003:19:51:04 Eastern Standard Time] "SOURCE
/ice.ogg
> ICE/1.0" 200 1009046 "(null)" "-" 4536824
>
> Does anyone know why all of these nulls are being requested? Is there a
> problem in my configuration? I tried my best to gather information on the
> XMl configuration file, but there wasn't much more than a French site on
> this. Or is Oddcast to blame for this one?
>
The nulls there are very strange - they shouldn't be possible - but aren't
the
cause of your "problem". In fact, from this, it looks like everything other
than the logging is working perfectly. You're just asking your client (the
player, whatever you're using) to play the wrong thing, so it doesn't work.
The log here suggests that the source (oddcast) is at "/ice.ogg", but your
client is requesting "/" instead. Try putting in
"http://server:port/ice.ogg"
instead of "http://server:port/".
Mike
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From chrisg1 at umbc.edu Sat Feb 22 17:39:31 2003
From: chrisg1 at umbc.edu (Chris G Moguta)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 12:39:31 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Icecast 2 recieving valid login from two sources
Message-ID: <3E599281@webmail.umbc.edu>
What happens when the Icecast 2 server already has a source connected &
broadcasting, and another source attempts to login also with valid login info?
Is the second source not accepted, or does the second source override the
already connected source?
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From deva at downstreamdigital.com Sat Feb 22 19:31:55 2003
From: deva at downstreamdigital.com (Deva Seetharam)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:31:55 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 docs
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From msmith at xiph.org Sun Feb 23 01:51:10 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 12:51:10 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast 2 recieving valid login from two sources
In-Reply-To: <3E599281@webmail.umbc.edu>
Message-ID: <200302231251.10715.msmith@xiph.org>
On Sunday 23 February 2003 04:39, Chris G (Moguta) wrote:
> What happens when the Icecast 2 server already has a source connected &
> broadcasting, and another source attempts to login also with valid login
> info?
>
> Is the second source not accepted, or does the second source override the
> already connected source?
This depends. Any source connecting to icecast2 has a 'mountpoint' - the path
that the stream is provided on.
If the mountpoints of the second source does not conflict with any existing
mountpoint (i.e. is different from them all), the connection is happily
accepted.
If the mounpoint of the second source DOES conflict, the connection is
refused.
Mike
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From smcmanus at twcsd.com Sun Feb 23 13:41:34 2003
From: smcmanus at twcsd.com (Shaun Mcmanus)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 05:41:34 -0800
Subject: [icecast] DTCR Project
Message-ID: <2184054731A7D211A5B00008C7B109D3AD2A19@EXCHGSRV>
Disturbed Transmitter Community Radio Project
The Need:
Where I live there is only one open channel in our FM band. The one major
company that owns 13 of the local stations plus 8 more that bleed over from
the next biggest city, has lobbied the FCC so that the last FM license will
never be given out. So my friends run a little 10 watt, Max. allowed by FCC
for a non-commercial non-licensed station, station and only broadcast on
Thursday and Friday nights.
We were discussing building them a more powerful transmitter but with the
current state of affairs (Homeland Security Act and the fact that there are
6 military bases and 4 airports in our city) putting out more power would be
a bad idea. So we thought about it for a well and came up with this idea.
The Idea:
We have people in each community put up an antenna and hook up a small
computer to their internet connection. The computer would grab a stream off
the internet, output though a sound card to the transmitter. Most content
would be streamed from single sources to all clients but the clients would
have the ability to connect to a Community Server to pick up a community
based news and information stream and other sources. Plus the system will
have an emergency broadcast capabilities, possible by listening for a packet
on a certain port and switching over to that stream.
The Plan
Phase I
Gather up used hardware for client computers, design and build transmitters,
and put together Phase I software package.
Phase II
Install first transmission clients and studio servers. Start testing
software.
Phase III
Run system full time. Install more systems, both clients and servers.
Phase IV
Design custom software suite.
We are expecting this project to take 3-5 years on an all volunteer effort.
None of us have much experience with software design or coding but willing
to learn.
Client systems:
Phase I: Small used computer, decodes stream and outputs to transmitter.
Phase ?: SBC systems, decodes streams, manages multiple streams, listens for
emergency broadcast packets, outputs to transmitter.
Server systems:
Studio: Encodes live broadcasts and streams them out.
Community: Generators community based news and information stream.
Custom Software Suite:
Clients: Would manage multiple streams, listen for emergency packets. Will
have an easy to use graphical scheduling system.
Server: Easy to use GUI, one button record, etc.
I know allot of the stuff we want to do has been done already but we just
need to put it all together.
Thank you if read this and could give me some feed back.
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From geezer at freesounds.net Sun Feb 23 18:30:09 2003
From: geezer at freesounds.net (geezer)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:30:09 -0800
Subject: [icecast] DTCR Project
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From rsteding at tecwise.com Sun Feb 23 19:54:30 2003
From: rsteding at tecwise.com (Raymond)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 11:54:30 -0800
Subject: [icecast] DTCR Project
In-Reply-To: <2184054731A7D211A5B00008C7B109D3AD2A19@EXCHGSRV>
Message-ID: <3E5926F6.6020909@tecwise.com>
Sounds like K-RMA radio in Los Angeles. K-RMA is scheduled to begin
broadcasting in March. An interview with one of the founders is at
http://stream.lpbn.org:8080/ramgen/krma1.rm
It is a real media clip
Also, I'm running a Project Radio project radio on a USC server. The
mailing list is http://zig.usc.edu/mailman/listinfo/lpbn
The description of the project is:
"Project Radio is an open source audio/video sort of mp3.com interface
to allow Internet Radio stations and others to easily create
programming, live and archived, from publicly available content such as
talk shows, interviews, independent musicians, recorders, content
aggregators, universities, libraries, theaters, clubs, and other sources.
The interface will include the creative commons licensing, sample
mechanical licenses, upload and download utilities, and many other
functions to be determined by the "Project."
Additional functions will allow users to create an entire 7 x 24
Internet radio station out of top list content and any other available
content, personal playlists, playlists for background music of
businesses. And, so on.
Raymond Steding
Shaun Mcmanus wrote:
>Disturbed Transmitter Community Radio Project
>
>The Need:
>Where I live there is only one open channel in our FM band. The one major
>company that owns 13 of the local stations plus 8 more that bleed over from
>the next biggest city, has lobbied the FCC so that the last FM license will
>never be given out. So my friends run a little 10 watt, Max. allowed by FCC
>for a non-commercial non-licensed station, station and only broadcast on
>Thursday and Friday nights.
>
>We were discussing building them a more powerful transmitter but with the
>current state of affairs (Homeland Security Act and the fact that there are
>6 military bases and 4 airports in our city) putting out more power would be
>a bad idea. So we thought about it for a well and came up with this idea.
>
>The Idea:
>We have people in each community put up an antenna and hook up a small
>computer to their internet connection. The computer would grab a stream off
>the internet, output though a sound card to the transmitter. Most content
>would be streamed from single sources to all clients but the clients would
>have the ability to connect to a Community Server to pick up a community
>based news and information stream and other sources. Plus the system will
>have an emergency broadcast capabilities, possible by listening for a packet
>on a certain port and switching over to that stream.
>
>The Plan
>
>Phase I
>Gather up used hardware for client computers, design and build transmitters,
>and put together Phase I software package.
>
>Phase II
>Install first transmission clients and studio servers. Start testing
>software.
>
>Phase III
>Run system full time. Install more systems, both clients and servers.
>
>Phase IV
>Design custom software suite.
>
>We are expecting this project to take 3-5 years on an all volunteer effort.
>None of us have much experience with software design or coding but willing
>to learn.
>
>Client systems:
>Phase I: Small used computer, decodes stream and outputs to transmitter.
>Phase ?: SBC systems, decodes streams, manages multiple streams, listens for
>emergency broadcast packets, outputs to transmitter.
>
>Server systems:
>Studio: Encodes live broadcasts and streams them out.
>Community: Generators community based news and information stream.
>
>Custom Software Suite:
>Clients: Would manage multiple streams, listen for emergency packets. Will
>have an easy to use graphical scheduling system.
>Server: Easy to use GUI, one button record, etc.
>
>I know allot of the stuff we want to do has been done already but we just
>need to put it all together.
>
>Thank you if read this and could give me some feed back.
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From speedwolf at door.net Sun Feb 23 22:00:12 2003
From: speedwolf at door.net (Bryan Payne)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 16:00:12 -0600
Subject: [icecast] DTCR Project
In-Reply-To: <2184054731A7D211A5B00008C7B109D3AD2A19@EXCHGSRV>
Message-ID: <005301c2db86$f1f98f40$6601a8c0@spacial2lsxdgj>
I think you will be VERY interested int he next upcoming release of SAM2 -
www.spacialaudio.com
Bryan
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shaun Mcmanus" > Disturbed Transmitter Community Radio Project
>
> The Need:
> Where I live there is only one open channel in our FM band. The one major
> company that owns 13 of the local stations plus 8 more that bleed over
from
> the next biggest city, has lobbied the FCC so that the last FM license
will
> never be given out. So my friends run a little 10 watt, Max. allowed by
FCC
> for a non-commercial non-licensed station, station and only broadcast on
> Thursday and Friday nights.
>
> We were discussing building them a more powerful transmitter but with the
> current state of affairs (Homeland Security Act and the fact that there
are
> 6 military bases and 4 airports in our city) putting out more power would
be
> a bad idea. So we thought about it for a well and came up with this idea.
>
> The Idea:
> We have people in each community put up an antenna and hook up a small
> computer to their internet connection. The computer would grab a stream
off
> the internet, output though a sound card to the transmitter. Most content
> would be streamed from single sources to all clients but the clients would
> have the ability to connect to a Community Server to pick up a community
> based news and information stream and other sources. Plus the system will
> have an emergency broadcast capabilities, possible by listening for a
packet
> on a certain port and switching over to that stream.
>
> The Plan
>
> Phase I
> Gather up used hardware for client computers, design and build
transmitters,
> and put together Phase I software package.
>
> Phase II
> Install first transmission clients and studio servers. Start testing
> software.
>
> Phase III
> Run system full time. Install more systems, both clients and servers.
>
> Phase IV
> Design custom software suite.
>
> We are expecting this project to take 3-5 years on an all volunteer
effort.
> None of us have much experience with software design or coding but willing
> to learn.
>
> Client systems:
> Phase I: Small used computer, decodes stream and outputs to transmitter.
> Phase ?: SBC systems, decodes streams, manages multiple streams, listens
for
> emergency broadcast packets, outputs to transmitter.
>
> Server systems:
> Studio: Encodes live broadcasts and streams them out.
> Community: Generators community based news and information stream.
>
> Custom Software Suite:
> Clients: Would manage multiple streams, listen for emergency packets. Will
> have an easy to use graphical scheduling system.
> Server: Easy to use GUI, one button record, etc.
>
> I know allot of the stuff we want to do has been done already but we just
> need to put it all together.
>
> Thank you if read this and could give me some feed back.
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From winnett at ntl.sympatico.ca Sun Feb 23 23:13:14 2003
From: winnett at ntl.sympatico.ca (Stephen Winnett)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 18:13:14 -0500
Subject: [icecast] DTCR Project
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From speedwolf at door.net Sun Feb 23 23:20:38 2003
From: speedwolf at door.net (Bryan Payne)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2003 17:20:38 -0600
Subject: [icecast] DTCR Project
In-Reply-To: ----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Winnett" > > I think you will be VERY interested int he next upcoming
> > release of SAM2 -
> > www.spacialaudio.com
> >
> > Bryan
> >
>
> Is there a linux variation of a program such as this?
>
> Our need is similar but slightly different.
> We have one master site that will be preparing the content for
> retrasmission.
> The problem is that we cannot use live streams to our satellite
> stations. We must prepare a playlist from a pool of mp3's held at
> each location.
> The content is the same and must be the same and must be played at the
> same time in each location.
>
> Yes streaming is the way to do it but the unreliability of the
> connections in our part of the world does not make this possible.
>
> We need a linux command line based mp3 streamer with realtime
> playlists fade outs and crossfade features would be nice be not
> necessary.
>
> We will compile the playlists at the central office and rsync the
> directories and content hourly and hup the streamer to reload the
> lists.
>
> Any ideas?
>
>
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From letters at sw3k.net Mon Feb 24 00:12:23 2003
From: letters at sw3k.net (Qahatika)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:12:23 +0100
Subject: [icecast] How to do relays ?
Message-ID: <005e01c2db99$67ec8bf0$0200000a@portrub>
Hello.
I would send an audio stream to an icecast server,and make relays with other
servers wothout have to send the stream to each server.
Is it possible ?
if yes, how can I do it ?
Thanks
Regards
Ruben
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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au Mon Feb 24 00:24:05 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 00:24:05 -0000
Subject: [icecast] How to do relays ?
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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au Mon Feb 24 01:48:12 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 01:48:12 -0000
Subject: [icecast] How to do relays ?
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Message-ID: <20030224014813.E315D7DE70@king.southern.net.au>
Qahatika On Sat, 2003-02-22 at 12:31, Deva Seetharam wrote:
> is there any doc for icecast2?
>
> thanks
> deva
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From jesper.johnson at welho.com Mon Feb 24 16:55:59 2003
From: jesper.johnson at welho.com (Jesper Johnson)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 18:55:59 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Restricting access to specific IPs
Message-ID: <200302241855.59460.jesper.johnson@welho.com>
Hello
I tried searching the mailing list and did some googling on the topic also,
but didn't find anything very useful. I'm looking for a way to restrict
access to my icecast2 server (which runs on a Slackware 8.1 system)
by using a list of IPs that should be allowed to connect as clients / sources.
.. now how do I do this? ;-) I remember that it was possible in the older
Icecast version to have rules in the configuration file, but since the
docs on Icecast2 aren't complete, I have no clue on how to do this.
So, once again, I'll be glad to accept your help :-)
Thanks!
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From kerry.cox at ksl.com Mon Feb 24 16:59:46 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 24 Feb 2003 09:59:46 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Restricting access to specific IPs
In-Reply-To: <200302241855.59460.jesper.johnson@welho.com>
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I would think the /etc/hosts.allow and /etc/hosts.deny would do the
trick.
/etc/hosts.allow
icecast: 127.0.0.1 64.147.130. 192.168.0.
/etc/hosts.deny
ALL: ALL
Someone please correct me if I am wrong. It's been known to happen.
KJ
On Mon, 2003-02-24 at 09:55, Jesper Johnson wrote:
> Hello
>
> I tried searching the mailing list and did some googling on the topic also,
> but didn't find anything very useful. I'm looking for a way to restrict
> access to my icecast2 server (which runs on a Slackware 8.1 system)
> by using a list of IPs that should be allowed to connect as clients / sources.
> .. now how do I do this? ;-) I remember that it was possible in the older
> Icecast version to have rules in the configuration file, but since the
> docs on Icecast2 aren't complete, I have no clue on how to do this.
>
> So, once again, I'll be glad to accept your help :-)
> Thanks!
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From pierre.amadio at libertysurf.fr Mon Feb 24 18:45:51 2003
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 19:45:51 +0100
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 and admin console
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From deva at downstreamdigital.com Mon Feb 24 18:57:45 2003
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:57:45 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] winamp streaming to icecast2
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From adam at xs4all.nl Mon Feb 24 19:19:50 2003
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Subject: [icecast] winamp streaming to icecast2
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From pierre.amadio at libertysurf.fr Mon Feb 24 19:26:29 2003
From: pierre.amadio at libertysurf.fr (Pierre Amadio)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 20:26:29 +0100
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 and admin console
In-Reply-To: <5.1.1.6.0.20030224131529.02982c30@www.oddsock.org>
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Hi there.
On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 01:17:36PM -0600, oddsock wrote:
> not that I'm going to go out and immediately implement anything, but what
> would an icecast2 admin console provide in terms of functionality ?
I like the possibility to see what's happening in a live fashion,
without having to launch a browser and ask for a given page.
This may already be done with some tail -f.
Once commands like switching client mountpoints or get information for
this client or source may be implementent in a console, i would be happy
to have a icecast sort of shell.
Note that if an http communication for status and sending order is
planned, building a kind of shell in perl would not be a big problem, so
i guess a console is not the main priority.
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From msmith at xiph.org Mon Feb 24 23:39:41 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:39:41 +1100
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 and admin console
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On Tuesday 25 February 2003 06:26, Pierre Amadio wrote:
> Hi there.
>
> On Mon, Feb 24, 2003 at 01:17:36PM -0600, oddsock wrote:
> > not that I'm going to go out and immediately implement anything, but what
> > would an icecast2 admin console provide in terms of functionality ?
>
> I like the possibility to see what's happening in a live fashion,
> without having to launch a browser and ask for a given page.
>
> This may already be done with some tail -f.
>
> Once commands like switching client mountpoints or get information for
> this client or source may be implementent in a console, i would be happy
> to have a icecast sort of shell.
>
> Note that if an http communication for status and sending order is
> planned, building a kind of shell in perl would not be a big problem, so
> i guess a console is not the main priority.
The design calls for all of this (administration functionality and status
listings) to be made available via http. There are no plans for a built-in
console.
Mike
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From msmith at xiph.org Mon Feb 24 23:41:22 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:41:22 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Restricting access to specific IPs
In-Reply-To: <200302241855.59460.jesper.johnson@welho.com>
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On Tuesday 25 February 2003 03:55, Jesper Johnson wrote:
> Hello
>
> I tried searching the mailing list and did some googling on the topic also,
> but didn't find anything very useful. I'm looking for a way to restrict
> access to my icecast2 server (which runs on a Slackware 8.1 system)
> by using a list of IPs that should be allowed to connect as clients /
> sources. .. now how do I do this? ;-) I remember that it was possible in
> the older Icecast version to have rules in the configuration file, but
> since the docs on Icecast2 aren't complete, I have no clue on how to do
> this.
>
Not currently supported.
Patches are welcome.
Mike
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From msmith at xiph.org Mon Feb 24 23:42:31 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:42:31 +1100
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 and static files
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From steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com Tue Feb 25 07:58:32 2003
From: steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com (steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:58:32 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [icecast] Building Linux Audio Streaming server
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Building Linux Audio Streaming server>
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Hello...
Thanks fo your contributions...The port 8000 was actually opened, but i
was using wrong command to see it opened. The server is working.
I want also to be able to stream MP3 files, does icecast 2 support that?
Let say if i use darkice instead of ices?
Also, it seems like icecast2 doesn't support multicasting, what third
party software do i need in order to be able to multicast my icecast2
stream?
Thanks,
Steven
On Monday 24 February 2003 16:43, Steven Mugassa wrote:
>> Hello...
>>
>> I'm building a Linux audio streaming server using icecast 2. I've
>> installed all necessary packages (including icecast, ices, libshout,
>> Ogg Vorbis libraries, and other libraries required by icecast).
>>
>> The problem i'm getting is that after running the server, and try
>> command netstat -n(to check network status), the port 8000 is not
>> opened (while it expected to be opened). What are the possible causes
>> of that error? Can it be caused by the way i've configured
>> icecast.xml and ices.xml?
>
> Can you let us see a) the output in the log file (with it configured
> for
> debug-level output), and b) your config file. One of those things
> should make it clear.
>
> Mike
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From steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com Tue Feb 25 07:59:03 2003
From: steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com (steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 10:59:03 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 with MP3
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Hello...
Thanks fo your contributions...The port 8000 was actually opened, but i
was using wrong command to see it opened. The server is working.
I want also to be able to stream MP3 files, does icecast 2 support that?
Let say if i use darkice instead of ices?
Also, it seems like icecast2 doesn't support multicasting, what third
party software do i need in order to be able to multicast my icecast2
stream?
Thanks,
Steven
On Monday 24 February 2003 16:43, Steven Mugassa wrote:
>> Hello...
>>
>> I'm building a Linux audio streaming server using icecast 2. I've
>> installed all necessary packages (including icecast, ices, libshout,
>> Ogg Vorbis libraries, and other libraries required by icecast).
>>
>> The problem i'm getting is that after running the server, and try
>> command netstat -n(to check network status), the port 8000 is not
>> opened (while it expected to be opened). What are the possible causes
>> of that error? Can it be caused by the way i've configured
>> icecast.xml and ices.xml?
>
> Can you let us see a) the output in the log file (with it configured
> for
> debug-level output), and b) your config file. One of those things
> should make it clear.
>
> Mike
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From msmith at xiph.org Tue Feb 25 08:30:00 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 19:30:00 +1100
Subject: [icecast] Sending ice-public: 1
In-Reply-To: <3E67FF3D@webmail.ualberta.ca>
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On Tuesday 25 February 2003 11:31, M Edwards wrote:
> According to the oddcast website ices by default sends ice-public: 0 when
> informing directories of itself. What changes do I need to make to my
> configuration file to change this behaviour?
>
oddcast website is wrong, I think.
Mike
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From letters at sw3k.net Tue Feb 25 13:06:22 2003
From: letters at sw3k.net (Qahatika)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:06:22 +0100
Subject: [icecast] More than one stream on a server
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Hello.
I think it is possible to use a server for multiple streams, but i don't
find a doc about that on the net.
I would my server to be able to stream 3 ou 4 streams, how must I send them
?
And at what adress will they avaible ?
Because if i send streamto myserver:8000, there is only one stream, on
myserver:8000
Thank
Ruben
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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au Tue Feb 25 13:13:29 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 13:13:29 -0000
Subject: [icecast] More than one stream on a server
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From kerry.cox at ksl.com Tue Feb 25 22:07:22 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 25 Feb 2003 15:07:22 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Restricting access to specific IPs
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It just occurred to me that setting up a simple IPtables script might be
just as easy. Aside from the default firewall that comes with the latest
Red Hat Linux, you could try the GUI tool fwbuilder (fwbuilder.org).
Just installed it on a test RH 8.0 system with great success. Simply
create the hosts and services and networks you want, then click and drag
to create the rule sets. Your config is saved in XML format. Then click
compile and you have viable script. You can set up the range of IP
addresses you want to access the box while keeping port 8000 open only
for them.
It's a pretty nifty little tool for users not wanting to dirty their
hands with raw IPtables scripts.
Hope that helps.
KJ
On Tue, 2003-02-25 at 15:51, Steve Meuse wrote:
> Jesper Johnson expunged (jesper.johnson at welho.com):
>
> > I tried searching the mailing list and did some googling on the topic also,
> > but didn't find anything very useful. I'm looking for a way to restrict
> > access to my icecast2 server (which runs on a Slackware 8.1 system)
> > by using a list of IPs that should be allowed to connect as clients / sources.
> > .. now how do I do this? ;-) I remember that it was possible in the older
> > Icecast version to have rules in the configuration file, but since the
> > docs on Icecast2 aren't complete, I have no clue on how to do this.
>
> I always recommend using a filtering router, but that tends not to be an
> option for most people. Kernel packet filtering is probably what I would
> recommend. I like to keep these types of functions out of user land, but
> ymmv.
>
> -Steve
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From gtgbr at gmx.net Wed Feb 26 17:45:39 2003
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:45:39 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Stream from webserver
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Qahatika wrote:
> I want to know how I can put files (mp3s or oggs) on my webserver, make a
> plsylist and stream them directly from the webserver.
Make an .m3u file (simple text-file, contains a list of URLs or
filenames) that contains the complete URL to the .ogg/.mp3 you want to
stream off your web server. Have your visitors click on the .m3u link,
they'll download it and start their favorite player, which then plays
the .ogg/.mp3 directly off the web server.
Moritz
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From inzanekaoz at yahoo.com Wed Feb 26 18:31:48 2003
From: inzanekaoz at yahoo.com (HJ)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 10:31:48 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [icecast] Stream from webserver
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Or try something like www.freedomaudio.com or www.jcraft.com/jorbis
. Neither are flawless; jOrbis' quality lacks a little bit but
it's small. FreedomAudio is big, but it uses an x86 binary in which
a java applet controls its function, so quality is just-about on-par
with the normal library.
FreedomAudio currently lacks Linux support, but I've been working
with the author off-and-on, and it's almost ready to be released
(AFAIK). When that is, I don't know. I suppose it's when the
author does a little more, or I submit another beta-testing report.
:)
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From ross at stationplaylist.com Thu Feb 27 02:19:13 2003
From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:19:13 +1300
Subject: [icecast] A large streaming project
Message-ID: <3E5D75A1.8080602@stationplaylist.com>
Hi
I've just become involved in a company that is starting a new large
project which involves streaming thousands of Internet radio stations,
possibly up to 8000. They were heading towards the Windows Media format
but I mentioned Ogg Vorbis streaming and they are interested. This will
be a major boost to Ogg Vorbis in the market place if they decide to do it.
I'm not exactly sure how streaming works as I've not ever been involved
in it. I presume from what I've read that audio is encoded to Ogg
Vorbis format at the desired bit rate on a PC (Windows or Linux) which
then sends the encoded data to an IceCast server which makes it
available on the Internet. Is this basically it? If a hosting company
is providing the Internet bandwidth then I presume the hosting company
will need IceCast running on many of their servers, and we will be
streaming the encoded Vorbis data to their servers. Does this sound right?
I just need to get the concept right before I let them know. Some other
questions.
Is IceCast ready for a project like this?
Can IceCast run on Windows? Probably not required but just interested.
If the hosting company isn't interested in compiling etc, would someone
on this list be willing to create binaries that can be easily installed
on a Linux server? I guess it depends on the Linux distro.
Thanks,
Ross Levis.
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From ross at stationplaylist.com Thu Feb 27 02:33:55 2003
From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:33:55 +1300
Subject: [icecast] A large streaming project
In-Reply-To: <3E5D75A1.8080602@stationplaylist.com>
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Just some more questions.
As a guess, how many IceCast streams could be supported on one Linux PC
(say 1.5Ghz PC).
And a guess at how many OddCastDSP clients (with Winamp2) could be
supported on a similar Windows PC.
Are there any other solutions for streaming Ogg Vorbis without IceCast?
Thanks,
Ross Levis.
Ross Levis wrote:
> Hi
>
> I've just become involved in a company that is starting a new large
> project which involves streaming thousands of Internet radio stations,
> possibly up to 8000. They were heading towards the Windows Media
> format but I mentioned Ogg Vorbis streaming and they are interested.
> This will be a major boost to Ogg Vorbis in the market place if they
> decide to do it.
>
> I'm not exactly sure how streaming works as I've not ever been
> involved in it. I presume from what I've read that audio is encoded
> to Ogg Vorbis format at the desired bit rate on a PC (Windows or
> Linux) which then sends the encoded data to an IceCast server which
> makes it available on the Internet. Is this basically it? If a
> hosting company is providing the Internet bandwidth then I presume the
> hosting company will need IceCast running on many of their servers,
> and we will be streaming the encoded Vorbis data to their servers.
> Does this sound right?
>
> I just need to get the concept right before I let them know. Some
> other questions.
>
> Is IceCast ready for a project like this?
> Can IceCast run on Windows? Probably not required but just interested.
> If the hosting company isn't interested in compiling etc, would
> someone on this list be willing to create binaries that can be easily
> installed on a Linux server? I guess it depends on the Linux distro.
>
> Thanks,
> Ross Levis.
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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au Thu Feb 27 03:16:15 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 03:16:15 -0000
Subject: [icecast] A large streaming project
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From jack at xiph.org Thu Feb 27 04:04:20 2003
From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 21:04:20 -0700
Subject: [icecast] A large streaming project
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> > As a guess, how many IceCast streams could be supported on one Linux PC
> > (say 1.5Ghz PC).
>
> Seperate streams? Probably a couple of hundred. There's been no effort put
> into optimising this - with some work, this could be lifted a lot further.
I forgot to mention we did it with icecast 1.x. And I made it so that
the 2.x codebase wouldn't have the same limitations. For instance, we
discovered icecast 1.x could do about 40-50 sources on one server before
the thread locking killed it, so we ran 6+ servers per box.
Icecast 2 shouldn't have any limits that a bit of bug fixing couldn't
solve. So you can probably run all the streams on a single icecast
instance.
jack.
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From gshang at uq.net.au Thu Feb 27 05:06:57 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 15:06:57 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] A large streaming project
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From ross at stationplaylist.com Thu Feb 27 07:13:12 2003
From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:13:12 +1300
Subject: [icecast] A large streaming project
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From ross at stationplaylist.com Thu Feb 27 07:36:46 2003
From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 20:36:46 +1300
Subject: [icecast] A large streaming project
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Jack Moffitt wrote
>8000 streams is quite a lot. Not to mention the amount of music you
>would need to make the content in 8000 streams more than trivial :)
>
>Or do you just mean 8000 simultaneous listeners? Because that is quite
>a different problem.
>
No 8000 streams, but that could take a few years to obtain. Probably
around 2000 in the first year and they won't be just music either.
Content will be provided by thousands the DJ's employed from all over
the world to provide 2 hours a day of programming including
announcements and advertisements.
I've been employed to write software to help the DJ's compile their
shows, and at our end, compile the playlists for each station and
control the playout software. The first stations should start appearing
in a couple of months.
Michael Smith wrote:
> The only major thing is this: do they require RTP (multicast)?
Can you explain what this is and it's benefits? I tried googling it but
didn't find anything useful.
Thanks,
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From djsnm at djsnm.com Thu Feb 27 08:32:10 2003
From: djsnm at djsnm.com (Scott Manley)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 00:32:10 -0800
Subject: [icecast] A large streaming project
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SOunds like whate we deployed at myplay.com - we had thousands of streams
available but many of them would have zero listeners - so rather than
sourcing that many I built a demand based streaming system that built the
streams when they were delivered.
S&M
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From: "Ross Levis" > Jack Moffitt wrote
>
> >8000 streams is quite a lot. Not to mention the amount of music you
> >would need to make the content in 8000 streams more than trivial :)
> >
> >Or do you just mean 8000 simultaneous listeners? Because that is quite
> >a different problem.
> >
> No 8000 streams, but that could take a few years to obtain. Probably
> around 2000 in the first year and they won't be just music either.
> Content will be provided by thousands the DJ's employed from all over
> the world to provide 2 hours a day of programming including
> announcements and advertisements.
>
> I've been employed to write software to help the DJ's compile their
> shows, and at our end, compile the playlists for each station and
> control the playout software. The first stations should start appearing
> in a couple of months.
>
> Michael Smith wrote:
> > The only major thing is this: do they require RTP (multicast)?
>
> Can you explain what this is and it's benefits? I tried googling it but
> didn't find anything useful.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ross Levis.
>
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From darkeye at tyrell.hu Thu Feb 27 08:23:00 2003
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:23:00 +0100
Subject: [icecast] A large streaming project
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Jack Moffitt wrote:
> Icast at one point had about 456 stations or so. We were able to do
> this (all the music was preencoded) with 8 machines quite reliably.
> Basically 4 machines sourced streams, and 4 machines served them. Only
but the source machines: did they encode live audio, or send static
files to the server?
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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au Thu Feb 27 13:26:55 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:26:55 -0000
Subject: [icecast] A large streaming project
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> Michael Smith wrote:
> > The only major thing is this: do they require RTP (multicast)?
>
> Can you explain what this is and it's benefits? I tried googling it but
> didn't find anything useful.
In brief: unicast (what icecast currently does) sends a copy of the stream to
every listener. Thus, for a 32 kbps stream, your total bandwidth usage is
approximately (there are a few little extras, but they end up being
insignificant) number-of-listeners * 32 kbps. That adds up to a lot if you
have thousands of listeners.
With multicast, you basically send out only one copy of the stream (though you
have overhead from each client reporting that it's connected, etc, so total
bandwidth usage still scales upwards, just much slower), and the network
infrastructure (routers, etc.) copies that to all the clients that are
listening (description much simplified here, of course). The downside is that
many ISPs don't have routers that are capable of multicast, and/or they don't
have it enabled. So for really wide deployment you need both unicast and
multicast available, ideally.
Mike
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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au Thu Feb 27 13:28:50 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 13:28:50 -0000
Subject: [icecast] A large streaming project
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From deva at downstreamdigital.com Fri Feb 28 08:17:28 2003
From: deva at downstreamdigital.com (Deva Seetharam)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 03:17:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] stats
Message-ID: thanks,
deva
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From deva at downstreamdigital.com Fri Feb 28 08:46:28 2003
From: deva at downstreamdigital.com (Deva Seetharam)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 03:46:28 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] web stats
Message-ID: can i get these info by parsing the web stats?
thanks,
deva
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From steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com Fri Feb 28 13:45:17 2003
From: steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com (steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 16:45:17 +0300 (EAT)
Subject: [icecast] audio streaming server
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Hello...
I'm involved in a project whereby a live audio input from the FM radio
station is to be sent to an audio streaming server, which will stream
the audio to the remote sites thru the VSAT (satellite based) network.
The remote sites are to rebroadcast the transmissions (FM station
rebroadcast), as most of the expected listeners do not have access to the
internet.
Is icecast2 capable of such a project (with taking into account that
icecast2 doesn't support multicasting)? or has somebody else has done
similar project before?
I need some advice
Regards,
Steven
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From service at RadioOnDemand.com Fri Feb 28 19:48:02 2003
From: service at RadioOnDemand.com (service)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 11:48:02 -0800
Subject: [icecast] audio streaming server
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steven.mugassa at mail.intafrica.com wrote:
>Hello...
>
>I'm involved in a project whereby a live audio input from the FM radio
>station is to be sent to an audio streaming server, which will stream
>the audio to the remote sites thru the VSAT (satellite based) network.
>The remote sites are to rebroadcast the transmissions (FM station
>rebroadcast), as most of the expected listeners do not have access to the
>internet.
>
>Is icecast2 capable of such a project (with taking into account that
>icecast2 doesn't support multicasting)? or has somebody else has done
>similar project before?
>
>I need some advice
>
>Regards,
>Steven
>
>
>
>
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RadioOnDemand is streaming FM for a major network in broadcast quality
for more than 12 month. We're mixing commercials, live and taped content
on the fly. Ang using only MP3 with liveice and icecast.
Works great -- streaming realtime (< 500ms delay)
HERB
RadioOnDemand.com
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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au Fri Feb 28 23:20:18 2003
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2003 23:20:18 -0000
Subject: [icecast] stats
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> is there any documentation on the .m3u file definition ?
Google is your friend (tm):
http://hanna.pyxidis.org/tech/m3u.html
http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=dbec47f3a05d10a3a77959f17926d39c&threadid=65772
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From jsoukup at netlantic.de Tue Feb 18 14:26:20 2003
From: jsoukup at netlantic.de (Johann Soukup)
Date: Tue, 18 Feb 2003 15:26:20 +0100
Subject: [icecast] m3u - file definition
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Hello Remco,
I found these decumentations before but they say nothing about
setting the start time and end time of each mp3 file entry in the
.m3u file
Best Regards
- Johann
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>
> > is there any documentation on the .m3u file definition ?
>
> Google is your friend (tm):
>
> http://hanna.pyxidis.org/tech/m3u.html
> http://forums.winamp.com/showthread.php?s=dbec47f3a05d10a3a77959f17926d39c&threadid=65772
>
> regards,
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> Hello Remco,
>
> I found these decumentations before but they say nothing about
> setting the start time and end time of each mp3 file entry in the
> .m3u file
Are you sure this is at all possible, let alone supported, in players
that support the m3u format?
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From ben at galactic-tales.de Tue Feb 18 14:45:28 2003
From: ben at galactic-tales.de (Benjamin Podszun)
Date: 18 Feb 2003 15:45:28 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 and mp3s?
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Hi there.
Since there's nearly no documentation on this subject:
Am I able to stream mp3s via icecast2?
Please don't tell me that ogg is the better file format. I won't recode
thousands of files..
If Icecast2 _can_ stream mp3s: Should I switch from icecast1? Why?
Thanks,
Ben
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> > Hello Remco,
> >
> > I found these decumentations before but they say nothing about
> > setting the start time and end time of each mp3 file entry in the
> > .m3u file
>
> Are you sure this is at all possible, let alone supported, in players
> that support the m3u format?
>
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