From merkur at calypse.de  Fri Aug  1 13:32:42 2003
From: merkur at calypse.de (merkur)
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 15:32:42 +0200
Subject: [icecast] ices 0.3 seg fault
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Hi!

My first post here :-)

> > $ gdb /path/to/ices /path/to/coredump
> > 
> #0  0x402b708d in III_dequantize_sample () from
> #/usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0 1  0x402d0bc0 in ispow () from
> #/usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0
> Cannot access memory at address 0x1

Could this be an alpha-version of LAME? Switching to the latest 
stable version (3.93-1 afair) might help (at least it did for me with 
a similar LAME-problem)
Just a guess :-)

merkur
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From matt at sv.net.au  Sun Aug  3 06:10:49 2003
From: matt at sv.net.au (Matt Trim)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:10:49 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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I've recently switched from Oddcast to ices2 under Linux, as my pro sound
card unfortunately didn't work well under windows.

Is there a problem with ices2 updating the yp dir, as my stream is not
listing anymore - it seems that for some reason ices2 doesn't have the
metadata code to list like oddcast does?

Any ideas if this is a problem with my xml config in ices or a limitation
of the program/server?

Thanks!

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From ross at stationplaylist.com  Sun Aug  3 06:41:44 2003
From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 18:41:44 +1200
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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I think there has been something wrong with the directory for some time.  My
station, which isn't streaming at the moment, hasn't been listed for at
least a week.  None of Virgin Radio's are there either.

Ross.

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<p>>
> I've recently switched from Oddcast to ices2 under Linux, as my pro sound
> card unfortunately didn't work well under windows.
>
> Is there a problem with ices2 updating the yp dir, as my stream is not
> listing anymore - it seems that for some reason ices2 doesn't have the
> metadata code to list like oddcast does?
>
> Any ideas if this is a problem with my xml config in ices or a limitation
> of the program/server?
>
> Thanks!
>
>
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From matt at sv.net.au  Sun Aug  3 06:35:08 2003
From: matt at sv.net.au (Matt Trim)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 16:35:08 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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Yeah I suspect you're right, although I must say it is rather amusing that
the windows app (oddcast) can list in the yp but the linux apps are
broke.. :)  Especially considering ices is part of icecast!

On Sun, 3 Aug 2003, Ross Levis wrote:

> I think there has been something wrong with the directory for some time.  My
> station, which isn't streaming at the moment, hasn't been listed for at
> least a week.  None of Virgin Radio's are there either.
>
> Ross.

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From karl at xiph.org  Sun Aug  3 13:15:40 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 03 Aug 2003 14:15:40 +0100
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 07:10, Matt Trim wrote:
> I've recently switched from Oddcast to ices2 under Linux, as my pro sound
> card unfortunately didn't work well under windows.
> 
> Is there a problem with ices2 updating the yp dir, as my stream is not
> listing anymore - it seems that for some reason ices2 doesn't have the
> metadata code to list like oddcast does?
> 
> Any ideas if this is a problem with my xml config in ices or a limitation
> of the program/server?

Do you have the <yp>1</yp> tags in the instances you want listed? The
default is not to have them listed.

karl.

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From carl at personnelware.com  Sun Aug  3 13:34:17 2003
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 08:34:17 -0500
Subject: [icecast] ices 0.3 seg fault
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> > > $ gdb /path/to/ices /path/to/coredump
> > >
> > #0  0x402b708d in III_dequantize_sample () from
> > #/usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0 1  0x402d0bc0 in ispow () from
> > #/usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0
> > Cannot access memory at address 0x1
>
> Could this be an alpha-version of LAME? Switching to the latest
> stable version (3.93-1 afair) might help (at least it did for me with
> a similar LAME-problem)
> Just a guess :-)
>

I probabaly should have followed your advice and went with a stable version, but I grabbed the cvs instead.  LAME version 3.94
(alpha 14, Aug  1 2003 10:27:19)

After a few days, same thing.

Playing /mnt/hdd1/music/unclassified/ok/02-nina_gordon-2003.mp3
bitstream problem: resyncing...
big_values too large! 473
big_values too large! 321
mpg123: Cant rewind stream by 40 bits!
mpg123: Cant rewind stream by 180 bits!
mpg123: Cant rewind stream by 35 bits!
mpg123: Cant rewind stream by 18 bits!
big_values too large! 485
mpg123: Cant rewind stream by 26 bits!
big_values too large! 511
Segmentation fault (core dumped)

(gdb) bt
#0  0x402b7841 in III_dequantize_sample () from /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0
#1  0x402ef240 in ispow () from /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0
Cannot access memory at address 0x1

Carl K

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From arc at indymedia.org  Sun Aug  3 16:14:33 2003
From: arc at indymedia.org (Arc)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 12:14:33 -0400
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
In-Reply-To: <1059916539.17410.2.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
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On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 02:15:40PM +0100, Karl Heyes wrote:
> > 
> > Any ideas if this is a problem with my xml config in ices or a limitation
> > of the program/server?
> 
> Do you have the <yp>1</yp> tags in the instances you want listed? The
> default is not to have them listed.
> 

whoa whoa whoa, since when?

We've been having a major problem with our icecast servers, some streams
are being sent to the YP servers and others are not, and yes the public
bit is set as confirmed by connecting to the streams directly and
looking at the headers they send.

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From karl at xiph.org  Sun Aug  3 17:50:56 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 03 Aug 2003 18:50:56 +0100
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 17:14, Arc wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 02:15:40PM +0100, Karl Heyes wrote:
> > > 
> > > Any ideas if this is a problem with my xml config in ices or a limitation
> > > of the program/server?
> > 
> > Do you have the <yp>1</yp> tags in the instances you want listed? The
> > default is not to have them listed.
> > 
> 
> whoa whoa whoa, since when?

ices2 never used to enable it, the yp tags now do, they were added
around Jun/July time

> We've been having a major problem with our icecast servers, some streams
> are being sent to the YP servers and others are not, and yes the public
> bit is set as confirmed by connecting to the streams directly and
> looking at the headers they send.

There was a header mismatch, make sure that the icecast's used are
recent enough first. 

karl.

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From matt at sv.net.au  Sun Aug  3 21:19:05 2003
From: matt at sv.net.au (Matt Trim)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 07:19:05 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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Well that fixed it perfectly!  I actually didn't know about the new <yp>
tag, must have missed it in the doco... hmm is it even in there yet?

Anyway, thanks for the help!

<p>On 3 Aug 2003, Karl Heyes wrote:

> On Sun, 2003-08-03 at 07:10, Matt Trim wrote:
> > Is there a problem with ices2 updating the yp dir, as my stream is not
> > listing anymore - it seems that for some reason ices2 doesn't have the
> > metadata code to list like oddcast does?
>
> Do you have the <yp>1</yp> tags in the instances you want listed? The
> default is not to have them listed.
>
> karl.

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From arc at indymedia.org  Mon Aug  4 00:27:43 2003
From: arc at indymedia.org (Arc)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 20:27:43 -0400
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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On Sun, Aug 03, 2003 at 06:50:56PM +0100, Karl Heyes wrote:
> 
> > We've been having a major problem with our icecast servers, some streams
> > are being sent to the YP servers and others are not, and yes the public
> > bit is set as confirmed by connecting to the streams directly and
> > looking at the headers they send.
> 
> There was a header mismatch, make sure that the icecast's used are
> recent enough first. 

I think the discussion needs to be opened as per setting a standard and
sticking with it.  It's not just Ices/Icecast anymore, if we just had to
sync their versions everytime a developer decided to change the standard
it'd be one thing, but darkice, oddsock, all the various YP server
implementations, etc etc etc all depend on this standard.

It's simply not fair to keep changing it, especially without notifying
the lists and/or posting something to the website about it.

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From karl at xiph.org  Mon Aug  4 01:09:58 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 04 Aug 2003 02:09:58 +0100
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 01:27, Arc wrote:

> > There was a header mismatch, make sure that the icecast's used are
> > recent enough first. 
> 
> I think the discussion needs to be opened as per setting a standard and
> sticking with it.  It's not just Ices/Icecast anymore, if we just had to
> sync their versions everytime a developer decided to change the standard
> it'd be one thing, but darkice, oddsock, all the various YP server
> implementations, etc etc etc all depend on this standard.
> 
> It's simply not fair to keep changing it, especially without notifying
> the lists and/or posting something to the website about it.

Who said that the protocol had changed, libshout still sent what it had
before and I don't in fact know when the protocol was last changed. So
saying it keeps changing is completely wrong. Also the YP servers don't
see this part anyway.

Writing a spec for the icecast2 HTTP login would be a good idea though,
the other logins IIRC are best guesses to what the other servers accept.

karl.

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From arc at indymedia.org  Mon Aug  4 01:25:14 2003
From: arc at indymedia.org (Arc)
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2003 21:25:14 -0400
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 02:09:58AM +0100, Karl Heyes wrote:
> 
> Who said that the protocol had changed, libshout still sent what it had
> before and I don't in fact know when the protocol was last changed. So
> saying it keeps changing is completely wrong. Also the YP servers don't
> see this part anyway.

I thought that you had said that they source-server protocol had changed
in respect to YP.

The problem that I stated was that Icecast2 is not announcing certain
streams to the YP servers.  Some examples of streams that are not
getting announced include:

http://liveradio.indymedia.org:8001/seattle-hifi.ogg
http://liveradio.indymedia.org:8001/seattle-hifi.mp3
http://liveradio.indymedia.org:8001/seattle-lofi.mp3
http://liveradio.indymedia.org:8001/sf-lofi.mp3

While other streams using the same server work just fine:

http://liveradio.indymedia.org:8001/sf-hifi.mp3
http://liveradio.indymedia.org:8001/sf-hifi.ogg

Note that the sf-hifi.mp3 relay is comming from shoutcast, the
sf-hifi.ogg is comming from Icecast2, all three SF's are comming from
the same darkice process.  There should be no difference in how Icecast
handles them, but I have full debug turned on the YP server and these
streams arent even getting announced to the YP server.

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Mon Aug  4 02:33:21 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Sun, 03 Aug 2003 21:33:21 -0500
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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>The problem that I stated was that Icecast2 is not announcing certain
>streams to the YP servers.  Some examples of streams that are not
>getting announced include:
>
>http://liveradio.indymedia.org:8001/seattle-hifi.ogg
>http://liveradio.indymedia.org:8001/seattle-hifi.mp3
>http://liveradio.indymedia.org:8001/seattle-lofi.mp3
>http://liveradio.indymedia.org:8001/sf-lofi.mp3
>
>While other streams using the same server work just fine:
>
>http://liveradio.indymedia.org:8001/sf-hifi.mp3
>http://liveradio.indymedia.org:8001/sf-hifi.ogg
can you confirm a few things :

1. That you are running the most current icecast (CVS) code ?
2. That you are running with icecast code that is un-modified in any way ?

and also, which YP are you attempting to list on (the ones you say are not 
being listed) ? Also, are you listing on multiple YPs ? if so, which ones ?

oddsock

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From stefan at neufeind.net  Mon Aug  4 06:14:21 2003
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 08:14:21 +0200
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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On 4 Aug 2003 at 2:09, Karl Heyes wrote:

> On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 01:27, Arc wrote:
> 
> > > There was a header mismatch, make sure that the icecast's used are
> > > recent enough first. 
> > 
> > I think the discussion needs to be opened as per setting a standard
> > and sticking with it.  It's not just Ices/Icecast anymore, if we
> > just had to sync their versions everytime a developer decided to
> > change the standard it'd be one thing, but darkice, oddsock, all the
> > various YP server implementations, etc etc etc all depend on this
> > standard.
> > 
> > It's simply not fair to keep changing it, especially without
> > notifying the lists and/or posting something to the website about
> > it.
> 
> Who said that the protocol had changed, libshout still sent what it
> had before and I don't in fact know when the protocol was last
> changed. So saying it keeps changing is completely wrong. Also the YP
> servers don't see this part anyway.
> 
> Writing a spec for the icecast2 HTTP login would be a good idea
> though, the other logins IIRC are best guesses to what the other
> servers accept.

If your talking about a icecast2-yellowpages-procotol-docu: I had the 
same impression that there is no current docu available and wrote 
one. But as soon as I releaed it via mailinglist somebody pointed me 
to a "hidden" document by Oddsock. It's at:
http://www.oddsock.org/icecast2yp/spec.html

Don't no why there is no link to it somewhere. Maybe because it's 
"not finished" yet. But I personally rate it quite helpful. Maybe it 
helps you also.

  Stefan
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From arc at indymedia.org  Mon Aug  4 06:45:33 2003
From: arc at indymedia.org (Arc)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 02:45:33 -0400
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 08:14:21AM +0200, Stefan Neufeind wrote:
> 
> If your talking about a icecast2-yellowpages-procotol-docu: I had the 
> same impression that there is no current docu available and wrote 
> one. But as soon as I releaed it via mailinglist somebody pointed me 
> to a "hidden" document by Oddsock. It's at:
> http://www.oddsock.org/icecast2yp/spec.html
> 
> Don't no why there is no link to it somewhere. Maybe because it's 
> "not finished" yet. But I personally rate it quite helpful. Maybe it 
> helps you also.
> 

I origionally used this document, only to find that it had several flaws
in it and that the Icecast YP protocol was different from different
implementations.  IE, the bitrate field is both "b" and "bitrate", some
do one or the other while others give both, and the format that the
bitrate is given is not standardised either.  

But this is not the issue on hand, the issue on hand is that Icecast2
isn't even notifying the YP CGI about streams being sent to it which are
clearly marked as "public".

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From stefan at neufeind.net  Mon Aug  4 06:48:11 2003
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 08:48:11 +0200
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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On 4 Aug 2003 at 2:45, Arc wrote:

> On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 08:14:21AM +0200, Stefan Neufeind wrote:
> > 
> > If your talking about a icecast2-yellowpages-procotol-docu: I had
> > the same impression that there is no current docu available and
> > wrote one. But as soon as I releaed it via mailinglist somebody
> > pointed me to a "hidden" document by Oddsock. It's at:
> > http://www.oddsock.org/icecast2yp/spec.html
> > 
> > Don't no why there is no link to it somewhere. Maybe because it's
> > "not finished" yet. But I personally rate it quite helpful. Maybe it
> > helps you also.
> 
> I origionally used this document, only to find that it had several
> flaws in it and that the Icecast YP protocol was different from
> different implementations.  IE, the bitrate field is both "b" and
> "bitrate", some do one or the other while others give both, and the
> format that the bitrate is given is not standardised either.  

Well, if you have further details about errors in the docs maybe it's 
a good idea to send Oddsock an updated version for publication on his 
webpage? And if then it's up-to-date maybe he will also donate a link 
to the document somewhere :-))

  Stefan
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From max_teneur at yahoo.fr  Mon Aug  4 10:31:03 2003
From: max_teneur at yahoo.fr (Teneur MAxime)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:31:03 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [icecast] CPU loading+icecast 2
Message-ID: <20030804103103.46060.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com>



hi,

i'm looking at how icecast runs on a machine...
And, i find something which seems to be unusual...
In fact, i just wanted to see how much ressources
Icecast2 takes when number of clients changes.
I fand that memory (swap, RAM)and cpu'loading is all
the same whatever number of clients ???is it normal?? 

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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Mon Aug  4 13:04:27 2003
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net)
Date: Mon, 04 Aug 2003 15:04:27 +0200
Subject: [icecast] CPU loading+icecast 2
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Teneur MAxime wrote:
> i'm looking at how icecast runs on a machine...
> And, i find something which seems to be unusual...
> In fact, i just wanted to see how much ressources
> Icecast2 takes when number of clients changes.
> I fand that memory (swap, RAM)and cpu'loading is all
> the same whatever number of clients ???is it normal??

Pretty much, yes. The amount of additional ressources a new client takes
is too little for things like top or whatever CPU/memory measurement
tool to reproduce. The "power" an Icecast server needs is negligible -
network bandwidth and CPU power on the source-client side are the
important things.

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From ice at wasteland.respond2.com  Mon Aug  4 17:40:18 2003
From: ice at wasteland.respond2.com (Keegan Quinn)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 10:40:18 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Debian and ices0
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On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 04:53:46PM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 09:55:04AM -0600, Jack Moffitt wrote:
> > Are you planning on packaging ices 0.3 as well?
> 
> I had not previously, because I don't personally have any need for MP3
> streaming, since Ogg Vorbis is working so well.  :)  I've sent a quick
> note to a Debian developer who had expressed interest in the past; if he
> is no longer interested, I'll make up some packages myself.

I've spoken with the other developer, Emmanuel le Chevoir, and he is still
interested, but has even less free time than myself.

We've also briefly discussed some potential legal issues with the
distribution of ices0 binaries in Debian; we cannot distribute LAME or
liblame, of course, which I believe ices0 depends on, for MP3 encoding.

Would it be possible, or would it make sense, to distribute ices0 without
LAME?  Emmanuel told me that the icecast-client currently in Debian
(for the old icecast 1) manages to stream MP3s without re-encoding them,
so I am curious as to whether this might be a reasonable approach for
ices0 as well.

On the other hand, the confusion of distributing a crippled ices0 might be
more trouble than it's worth.  I'm interested to hear ideas and thoughts
on this matter.

Thanks,

 - Keegan

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From brendan at xiph.org  Mon Aug  4 18:19:50 2003
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 14:19:50 -0400
Subject: [icecast] Debian and ices0
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On Monday, 04 August 2003 at 10:40, Keegan Quinn wrote:
> On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 04:53:46PM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote:
> > On Thu, Jul 17, 2003 at 09:55:04AM -0600, Jack Moffitt wrote:
> > > Are you planning on packaging ices 0.3 as well?
> > 
> > I had not previously, because I don't personally have any need for MP3
> > streaming, since Ogg Vorbis is working so well.  :)  I've sent a quick
> > note to a Debian developer who had expressed interest in the past; if he
> > is no longer interested, I'll make up some packages myself.
> 
> I've spoken with the other developer, Emmanuel le Chevoir, and he is still
> interested, but has even less free time than myself.
> 
> We've also briefly discussed some potential legal issues with the
> distribution of ices0 binaries in Debian; we cannot distribute LAME or
> liblame, of course, which I believe ices0 depends on, for MP3 encoding.
> 
> Would it be possible, or would it make sense, to distribute ices0 without
> LAME?  Emmanuel told me that the icecast-client currently in Debian
> (for the old icecast 1) manages to stream MP3s without re-encoding them,
> so I am curious as to whether this might be a reasonable approach for
> ices0 as well.

ices0 works well without lame - it just can't transcode or
reencode. It's still a huge improvement over shout.

-b
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From jack at xiph.org  Mon Aug  4 18:33:13 2003
From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 12:33:13 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Debian and ices0
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> ices0 works well without lame - it just can't transcode or
> reencode. It's still a huge improvement over shout.

Not to mention that those tools didn't support mp3 encoding at all.

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From james at squish.net  Mon Aug  4 19:56:54 2003
From: james at squish.net (James Ponder)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 20:56:54 +0100
Subject: [icecast] streaming silence to Winamp
Message-ID: <036101c35ac2$8df6e8b0$094da8c0@misty>



Hi,

I have just integrated libshout2 and libvorbisenc into mserv, my music
server (www.mserv.org).

It all works well.  Thanks for a great product.

The problem I have is that when there is a pause between songs of around 10
seconds, Winamp (2.91) decides (due to the 64kbps dropping to a 2kbps stream
I guess), that it needs to re-buffer.  It fails miserably and generally
dumps the connection, or at the very least a 10 second pause turns in to a
20 second pause (10 seconds re-buffering and then the 10 second pause I
wanted in the first place).

I'm not sure where the problem lies exactly, but I suspect it's just
Winamp's poor re-buffer algorithm.

This sounds like a problem that may have been solved before - how do I
ensure that for long periods (minutes) that both Icecast and Winamp are
happy?

<p>Best wishes, James

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From brendan at xiph.org  Mon Aug  4 22:24:13 2003
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Mon, 4 Aug 2003 18:24:13 -0400
Subject: [icecast] ices 0.3 seg fault
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Please try a stable version of LAME. I don't really know what to do
with this backtrace. It would also help immensely if you could
reproduce the crash reliably (eg on the same song).

On Sunday, 03 August 2003 at 08:34, Carl Karsten wrote:
> > > > $ gdb /path/to/ices /path/to/coredump
> > > >
> > > #0  0x402b708d in III_dequantize_sample () from
> > > #/usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0 1  0x402d0bc0 in ispow () from
> > > #/usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0
> > > Cannot access memory at address 0x1
> >
> > Could this be an alpha-version of LAME? Switching to the latest
> > stable version (3.93-1 afair) might help (at least it did for me with
> > a similar LAME-problem)
> > Just a guess :-)
> >
> 
> I probabaly should have followed your advice and went with a stable version, but I grabbed the cvs instead.  LAME version 3.94
> (alpha 14, Aug  1 2003 10:27:19)
> 
> After a few days, same thing.
> 
> Playing /mnt/hdd1/music/unclassified/ok/02-nina_gordon-2003.mp3
> bitstream problem: resyncing...
> big_values too large! 473
> big_values too large! 321
> mpg123: Cant rewind stream by 40 bits!
> mpg123: Cant rewind stream by 180 bits!
> mpg123: Cant rewind stream by 35 bits!
> mpg123: Cant rewind stream by 18 bits!
> big_values too large! 485
> mpg123: Cant rewind stream by 26 bits!
> big_values too large! 511
> Segmentation fault (core dumped)
> 
> (gdb) bt
> #0  0x402b7841 in III_dequantize_sample () from /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0
> #1  0x402ef240 in ispow () from /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0
> Cannot access memory at address 0x1
> 
> Carl K
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From msmith at xiph.org  Tue Aug  5 00:50:42 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:50:42 +1000
Subject: [icecast] CPU loading+icecast 2
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On Monday 04 August 2003 20:31, Teneur MAxime wrote:
> hi,
>
> i'm looking at how icecast runs on a machine...
> And, i find something which seems to be unusual...
> In fact, i just wanted to see how much ressources
> Icecast2 takes when number of clients changes.
> I fand that memory (swap, RAM)and cpu'loading is all
> the same whatever number of clients ???is it normal??
>

No, this is not normal. You'll find that CPU usage gets quite high (and memory 
usage increases moderately) if you connect many clients (several hundred, or 
thousands).

Mike

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From msmith at xiph.org  Tue Aug  5 01:06:08 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:06:08 +1000
Subject: [icecast] streaming silence to Winamp
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On Tuesday 05 August 2003 05:56, James Ponder wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have just integrated libshout2 and libvorbisenc into mserv, my music
> server (www.mserv.org).
>
> It all works well.  Thanks for a great product.
>
> The problem I have is that when there is a pause between songs of around 10
> seconds, Winamp (2.91) decides (due to the 64kbps dropping to a 2kbps
> stream I guess), that it needs to re-buffer.  It fails miserably and
> generally dumps the connection, or at the very least a 10 second pause
> turns in to a 20 second pause (10 seconds re-buffering and then the 10
> second pause I wanted in the first place).
>
> I'm not sure where the problem lies exactly, but I suspect it's just
> Winamp's poor re-buffer algorithm.

Not really - it's not a winamp-specific problem, most of the audio players do 
it the same way, and it's not entirely unreasonable.

>
> This sounds like a problem that may have been solved before - how do I
> ensure that for long periods (minutes) that both Icecast and Winamp are
> happy?
>
>
> Best wishes, James

The problem is, as you've guessed, that the bitrate drops to something very 
low (probably actually less than 2 kbps), but this causes problems given the 
way libogg by default frames vorbis encoded data. Ogg pages are generally 
generated at about 4 kB in size - at 2 kbps, this is 16 seconds of audio. 

This means that _no_ data is sent at all for ~16 seconds. So, the trick is to 
flush the ogg stream (forcing a shorter-than-normal page to be created) if 
the bitrate has dropped too low. ices2 does this by forcing a new page if the 
current page contains more than ~2 seconds of audio (or some number - I think 
it's 2 seconds).

To do this, you should (conditionally, based on current page length) call 
ogg_stream_flush() instead of ogg_stream_pageout() - see ices/src/encode.c, 
around line 220, for an example of doing this (ices2 does not currently 
_accurately_ calculate the current page length, it uses an approximation 
which could sometimes be a fair way off - I should change this).

Mike

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From karl at xiph.org  Tue Aug  5 01:16:13 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 05 Aug 2003 02:16:13 +0100
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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On Mon, 2003-08-04 at 02:25, Arc wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 02:09:58AM +0100, Karl Heyes wrote:
> > 
> > Who said that the protocol had changed, libshout still sent what it had
> > before and I don't in fact know when the protocol was last changed. So
> > saying it keeps changing is completely wrong. Also the YP servers don't
> > see this part anyway.
> 
> I thought that you had said that they source-server protocol had changed
> in respect to YP.

No, I said there was a header mismatch, specifically ice-public: is what
everyone is expecting to send to announce on a YP directory but icecast2
was not even checking for that header. icecast2 was doing the inverse in
fact, assuming all streams are public unless told private.  I'm just
stating that the protocol hasn't changed as such, and hasn't been
subject to changes as you seemed to believe was the case.

> The problem that I stated was that Icecast2 is not announcing certain
> streams to the YP servers.  Some examples of streams that are not
> getting announced include:

<p>So there is an operational oddity, I'll leave that up to oddsock and
yourself to resolve.  This is very unlikely to be related to the header
mismatch.

karl.

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From matt at sv.net.au  Tue Aug  5 01:40:13 2003
From: matt at sv.net.au (Matt Trim)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 11:40:13 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Winamp Metadata Update when live streaming from ices
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Now my stream seems to be listing in the yp directory, I was hoping there
was an easy fix to this issue I am having.

My stream is only displaying the name of the mount point in Winamp, it is
not showing the full description, genre etc etc.

Is this another configuration issue in my ices xml?

I've checked the doco and I can't see any other options I've missed..

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From oliver at ojms.org.uk  Tue Aug  5 10:24:45 2003
From: oliver at ojms.org.uk (Oliver Stirling)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:24:45 +0100
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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My icecast server is behind a http proxy server, does anyone know of a 
program I can use to get icecast to send data to that will forward it to 
the yp dir? (I'm on linux btw)

Oli

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From oliver at ojms.org.uk  Tue Aug  5 10:50:09 2003
From: oliver at ojms.org.uk (Oliver Stirling)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 11:50:09 +0100
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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Oliver Stirling wrote:

> My icecast server is behind a http proxy server, does anyone know of a 
> program I can use to get icecast to send data to that will forward it to 
> the yp dir? (I'm on linux btw)
> 
> Oli
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Right, well I wrote a little php script, that icecast2 connects too and 
then that forwards it to the yp server (hopefully), but it's not 
appeared in the yp listing :(


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From konny at waitrose.com  Tue Aug  5 11:13:05 2003
From: konny at waitrose.com (Mr I)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 12:13:05 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Stream sycronisation and player skipping
Message-ID: <3F2F9141.4010100@waitrose.com>



Hi all,
1stly
Thanks to all concerned with Icecast /ices is just the best blah blah 
praise love... I know you already know you have a amazing products..

I  am attempting to get a simultaneous stream to X clients. What I 
require is that all clients play the exact same segment (same ms) at the 
same time.
I'm using the combo of  icecast2 (from cvs Icecast2 alpha 1.) ices-0.3 
(from ices-0.3.tar.gz) and winamp3.

Currently when I attempt this the winamp clients keep falling in and out 
of sync (tested on local LAN with 2 clients).
 In fact another problem is that all streams continuous pause 
approximately every 10 seconds.

I know there are many factors to consider and also that the quality of 
service may not be guarantee over the Internet.
 However I'm really like to know if anyone has accomplished this and how.
Any comments would be happily accepted
thank you all in advance.

K

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From matt at sv.net.au  Tue Aug  5 11:34:22 2003
From: matt at sv.net.au (Matt Trim)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 21:34:22 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] ices & savefile
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Apologies for asking so many questions - hope this isn't in the FAQ
somewhere!?

I would like to use the <savefile> option in ices but am wondering how to
specify a unique filename to be created each time ices is executed so the
previous savefile is not overwritten?

eg, is there a way to specify:

<savefile>mystream-%time-%date.ogg</savefile>

that would for example create a file:

mystream-10:00:00-01-08-2003.ogg

Thanks!

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From oliver at ojms.org.uk  Tue Aug  5 12:24:47 2003
From: oliver at ojms.org.uk (Oliver Stirling)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 13:24:47 +0100
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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Oliver Stirling wrote:

> Oliver Stirling wrote:
> 
>> My icecast server is behind a http proxy server, does anyone know of a 
>> program I can use to get icecast to send data to that will forward it 
>> to the yp dir? (I'm on linux btw)
>>
>> Oli
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> 
> Right, well I wrote a little php script, that icecast2 connects too and 
> then that forwards it to the yp server (hopefully), but it's not 
> appeared in the yp listing :(
> 

Right figured that out, even got it to forward the headers, one thing I 
have noticed was that most stations have (aswell as the kbps quality) 
the frequency and mono/stereo anyone want to give me some example GET 
strings that have that info in?

I can also update the "currently playing" info (on the listing) does 
anyone know how I can get that to update the actual streaminfo? I'm 
using darkice which doesn't have a method of doing that. With shoutcast 
(for my MP3 streams) I just have to access an URL and it updates that 
info, but I haven't found a method with Icecast2.

Thanks.


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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Tue Aug  5 13:13:39 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 08:13:39 -0500
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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>>Oliver Stirling wrote:
>>
>>>My icecast server is behind a http proxy server, does anyone know of a 
>>>program I can use to get icecast to send data to that will forward it to 
>>>the yp dir? (I'm on linux btw)
>>>
>>>Oli
what's the actual problem with listing behind a http proxy ? Icecast2 
shouldn't have any problems doing this.  You may need to change the value 
of <hostname> in the icecast.xml config file (this is where the yp routines 
gets the information for the listen url).  This is different then Shoutcast 
which would derive the listen url based off the IP of the listing 
client.  The YP servers actually will use the IP of the listing client in 
some cases.  This will happen if <hostname> is something like "localhost" 
or 192.168.* or 127.0.0.1, but if you make <hostname> www.myserver.com, 
then the listen URL on the YP will use that (even if your listing isn't 
coming from www.mysever.com)...

oddsock

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From karl at xiph.org  Tue Aug  5 13:59:24 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 05 Aug 2003 14:59:24 +0100
Subject: [icecast] ices & savefile
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On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 12:34, Matt Trim wrote:
> Apologies for asking so many questions - hope this isn't in the FAQ
> somewhere!?
> 
> I would like to use the <savefile> option in ices but am wondering how to
> specify a unique filename to be created each time ices is executed so the
> previous savefile is not overwritten?
> 
> eg, is there a way to specify:
> 
> <savefile>mystream-%time-%date.ogg</savefile>
> 
> that would for example create a file:
> 
> mystream-10:00:00-01-08-2003.ogg

not in CVS ices2, the problem is fairly involved to get into, not so
much for the initial filename but for things such as timing out or if
there's a problem with the link to icecast.

If you want to try out something like this then look at my mods I did a
while ago in www.xiph.org/~karl, you'll need a slightly modified xml
file (look in conf/) and the libshout on there as well.

The expansion in there allows for strftime codes, so streams-%B/%X.ogg
should work just fine.

karl.

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From matt at sv.net.au  Tue Aug  5 13:55:44 2003
From: matt at sv.net.au (Matt Trim)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 23:55:44 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] ices & savefile
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Thanks Karl, I will give it a try.

Do I have to install your modified libshout or isn't it required if I am
live streaming?

Cheers,

Matt

On 5 Aug 2003, Karl Heyes wrote:

> not in CVS ices2, the problem is fairly involved to get into, not so
> much for the initial filename but for things such as timing out or if
> there's a problem with the link to icecast.
>
> If you want to try out something like this then look at my mods I did a
> while ago in www.xiph.org/~karl, you'll need a slightly modified xml
> file (look in conf/) and the libshout on there as well.
>
> The expansion in there allows for strftime codes, so streams-%B/%X.ogg
> should work just fine.
>
> karl.

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From oliver at ojms.org.uk  Tue Aug  5 14:15:12 2003
From: oliver at ojms.org.uk (Oliver Stirling)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 15:15:12 +0100
Subject: [icecast] yp dir listing
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oddsock wrote:

> 
>>> Oliver Stirling wrote:
>>>
>>>> My icecast server is behind a http proxy server, does anyone know of 
>>>> a program I can use to get icecast to send data to that will forward 
>>>> it to the yp dir? (I'm on linux btw)
>>>>
>>>> Oli
> 
> what's the actual problem with listing behind a http proxy ? Icecast2 
> shouldn't have any problems doing this.  You may need to change the 
> value of <hostname> in the icecast.xml config file (this is where the yp 
> routines gets the information for the listen url).  This is different 
> then Shoutcast which would derive the listen url based off the IP of the 
> listing client.  The YP servers actually will use the IP of the listing 
> client in some cases.  This will happen if <hostname> is something like 
> "localhost" or 192.168.* or 127.0.0.1, but if you make <hostname> 
> www.myserver.com, then the listen URL on the YP will use that (even if 
> your listing isn't coming from www.mysever.com)...
> 
> oddsock
> 
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Well, if I just connect to localhost then it will only send the data to 
localhost (not the yp server).

What I've done is written a cheeky PHP script that gets around that 
though. (as usual)

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From karl at xiph.org  Tue Aug  5 14:41:28 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 05 Aug 2003 15:41:28 +0100
Subject: [icecast] ices & savefile
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On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 14:55, Matt Trim wrote:
> Thanks Karl, I will give it a try.
> 
> Do I have to install your modified libshout or isn't it required if I am
> live streaming?

<p>it is required, there's more in that ices than just a more complete
savefile support. The threading structure changed which is something
that the CVS libshout (or v1.0) doesn't support (non-blocking sockets).
However I've made that modified libshout to be backward compatible with
CVS (v1.0) so any existing libshout uses should work as expected.

karl.

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From tposton1 at swbell.net  Tue Aug  5 15:00:17 2003
From: tposton1 at swbell.net (Todd Poston)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 10:00:17 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Stream sycronisation and player skipping
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Good Luck.  As mentioned before, this would be cool but not as simple,
even in theory, as it sounds.

You might be interested in this thread:
http://www.xiph.org/archives/icecast/4849.html
http://www.xiph.org/archives/icecast/4853.html

Let us know when its done! ;) heh

> -----Original Message-----
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> On Behalf Of Mr I
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> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: [icecast] Stream sycronisation and player skipping
> 
> 
> Hi all,
> 1stly
> Thanks to all concerned with Icecast /ices is just the best blah blah 
> praise love... I know you already know you have a amazing products..
> 
> I  am attempting to get a simultaneous stream to X clients. What I 
> require is that all clients play the exact same segment (same 
> ms) at the 
> same time.
> I'm using the combo of  icecast2 (from cvs Icecast2 alpha 1.) 
> ices-0.3 
> (from ices-0.3.tar.gz) and winamp3.
> 
> Currently when I attempt this the winamp clients keep falling 
> in and out 
> of sync (tested on local LAN with 2 clients).
>  In fact another problem is that all streams continuous pause 
> approximately every 10 seconds.
> 
> I know there are many factors to consider and also that the 
> quality of 
> service may not be guarantee over the Internet.
>  However I'm really like to know if anyone has accomplished 
> this and how. Any comments would be happily accepted thank 
> you all in advance.
> 
> K
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From matt at sv.net.au  Tue Aug  5 15:00:05 2003
From: matt at sv.net.au (Matt Trim)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 01:00:05 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] ices & savefile
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Got it all compiled nicely.. I called it ices2 so I can keep using my
existing ices executable as well..

Tried getting it up and running but it seems to be having trouble
connecting to my soundcard.. sample from ices.log

[root at darkice root]# less ices.log
[2003-08-06  01:11:09] INFO ices-core/main Streamer version IceS 2.0-kh35
[2003-08-06  01:11:09] INFO ices-core/main libshout version 2.0-kh19
[2003-08-06  01:11:09] INFO ices-core/main Unable to set realtime
scheduling
[2003-08-06  01:11:09] INFO input-oss/oss_init_module Module OSS
initialised
[2003-08-06  01:11:09] DBUG input/initialise_input_modules Module 1 (OSS)
has 12 buffers
[2003-08-06  01:11:09] DBUG stream/check_for_runners starting runner
[2003-08-06  01:11:09] INFO stream/ices_runner Runner 1 ready
[2003-08-06  01:11:09] DBUG stream/check_for_runners starting runner
[2003-08-06  01:11:09] INFO stream/ices_runner Runner 2 ready
[2003-08-06  01:11:09] DBUG input/open_next_input_module checking module 1
[2003-08-06  01:11:09] INFO input-oss/oss_open_module Opened audio device
/dev/dsp at 1 channel(s), 44100 Hz
[2003-08-06  01:11:09] EROR input-oss/oss_read Error reading from audio
device: Resource temporarily unavailable
[2003-08-06  01:11:09] INFO input/input_loop Closing input module
[2003-08-06  01:11:09] INFO input-oss/oss_close_module Closing OSS module

eventually giving:

[2003-08-06  01:12:04] WARN input/open_next_input_module Too many failures
on input module 1 (OSS)
[2003-08-06  01:12:04] DBUG input/input_loop All input stopped, shutting
down.
[2003-08-06  01:12:04] DBUG stream/runner_close Runner thread 1 shutting
down
[2003-08-06  01:12:04] DBUG stream/runner_close Runner thread 2 shutting
down
[2003-08-06  01:12:04] DBUG stream/ices_runner Runner thread 2 cleaning up
streams
[2003-08-06  01:12:04] DBUG stream/ices_runner Runner thread 2 finshed
[2003-08-06  01:12:04] DBUG stream/ices_runner Runner thread 1 cleaning up
streams
[2003-08-06  01:12:04] DBUG stream/stream_cleanup Cleanup of stream 1
required
[2003-08-06  01:12:04] DBUG stream/stream_cleanup Cleanup of stream 2
required
[2003-08-06  01:12:04] DBUG stream/ices_runner Runner thread 1 finshed
[2003-08-06  01:12:04] DBUG input/free_modules freeing up module storage
[2003-08-06  01:12:04] INFO ices-core/main Shutdown in progress

<p>With the CVS ices however:

[2003-08-06  01:13:14] INFO ices-core/main ices started...
[2003-08-06  01:13:14] INFO input-oss/oss_open_module Opened audio device
/dev/dsp at 1 channel(s), 44100 Hz
[2003-08-06  01:13:14] INFO input-oss/oss_open_module Started metadata
update thread
[2003-08-06  01:13:14] INFO audio/resample_initialise Initialised
resampler for 1 channels, from 44100 Hz to 22050 Hz
[2003-08-06  01:13:14] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder initialising
in VBR mode: 1 channel(s), 22050 Hz, quality 0.000000
[2003-08-06  01:13:14] INFO signals/signal_usr1_handler Metadata update
requested
[2003-08-06  01:13:15] INFO stream/ices_instance_stream Connected to
server: xstream1.com:8610/i1197.ogg

I checked and I definately didn't have the CVS ices running at the same
time.. I thought that might have been the problem but it wasn't! Hmmm...

Thanks for all your help Karl!

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From karl at xiph.org  Tue Aug  5 15:46:09 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 05 Aug 2003 16:46:09 +0100
Subject: [icecast] ices & savefile
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On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 16:00, Matt Trim wrote:
> Got it all compiled nicely.. I called it ices2 so I can keep using my
> existing ices executable as well..
> 
> Tried getting it up and running but it seems to be having trouble
> connecting to my soundcard.. sample from ices.log
> 
> [root at darkice root]# less ices.log
..
> [2003-08-06  01:11:09] DBUG input/open_next_input_module checking module 1
> [2003-08-06  01:11:09] INFO input-oss/oss_open_module Opened audio device
> /dev/dsp at 1 channel(s), 44100 Hz
> [2003-08-06  01:11:09] EROR input-oss/oss_read Error reading from audio
> device: Resource temporarily unavailable
> [2003-08-06  01:11:09] INFO input/input_loop Closing input module
> [2003-08-06  01:11:09] INFO input-oss/oss_close_module Closing OSS module

odd, the open and the parameter settings succeeded but the read reported
not yet. What sound card is it, kernel release etc?

> eventually giving:

expected on that sort of error.

> I checked and I definately didn't have the CVS ices running at the same
> time.. I thought that might have been the problem but it wasn't! Hmmm...

ok, a good thing to check for.  make sure nothing else is using the
device though, fuser -v /dev/dsp can help to identify such issues.  The
process for reading the audio isn't that much different, any setup
errors would of been reported.

karl.

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From matt at sv.net.au  Tue Aug  5 15:56:37 2003
From: matt at sv.net.au (Matt Trim)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 01:56:37 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] ices & savefile
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> > [2003-08-06  01:11:09] DBUG input/open_next_input_module checking module 1
> > [2003-08-06  01:11:09] INFO input-oss/oss_open_module Opened audio device
> > /dev/dsp at 1 channel(s), 44100 Hz
> > [2003-08-06  01:11:09] EROR input-oss/oss_read Error reading from audio
> > device: Resource temporarily unavailable
> > [2003-08-06  01:11:09] INFO input/input_loop Closing input module
> > [2003-08-06  01:11:09] INFO input-oss/oss_close_module Closing OSS module
>
> odd, the open and the parameter settings succeeded but the read reported
> not yet. What sound card is it, kernel release etc?

Linux 2.4.20-8
Multisound Pinnacle (msnd_pinnacle)
(default Redhat 9.0 OSS sound driver)

> ok, a good thing to check for.  make sure nothing else is using the
> device though, fuser -v /dev/dsp can help to identify such issues.  The
> process for reading the audio isn't that much different, any setup
> errors would of been reported.

came up with nothing (just returned me to a prompt) which I guess means
that nothing was using /dev/dsp  I tried running it while ices was using
/dev/dsp and it found ices so fuser is working ok..

All I can think of is some incompatibility with my oss driver for the
pinnacle that has somehow presented itself - have you changed the code at
all that calls the oss sound driver?

Let me know if you need further info.

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From konny at waitrose.com  Tue Aug  5 17:17:13 2003
From: konny at waitrose.com (Mr I)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 18:17:13 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Stream sycronisation and player skipping
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Todd Poston wrote:

>Good Luck.  As mentioned before, this would be cool but not as simple,
>even in theory, as it sounds.
>
>You might be interested in this thread:
>http://www.xiph.org/archives/icecast/4849.html
>http://www.xiph.org/archives/icecast/4853.html
>
>Let us know when its done! ;) heh
>  
>
thanks for that Todd.
Reading Mike's reply in the latter thread it seems that the ogg 
streaming protocol has built in time stamping.
Now I'm nowhere near an expert but why would this be hard to implement a 
server / client solution.
Why would the player side be difficult? What are the factors?

Does that mean that you haven't worked out a work around Todd?

<p>>  
>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] 
>>On Behalf Of Mr I
>>Sent: Tuesday, August 05, 2003 6:13 AM
>>To: icecast at xiph.org
>>Subject: [icecast] Stream sycronisation and player skipping
>>
>>
>>Hi all,
>>1stly
>>Thanks to all concerned with Icecast /ices is just the best blah blah 
>>praise love... I know you already know you have a amazing products..
>>
>>I  am attempting to get a simultaneous stream to X clients. What I 
>>require is that all clients play the exact same segment (same 
>>ms) at the 
>>same time.
>>I'm using the combo of  icecast2 (from cvs Icecast2 alpha 1.) 
>>ices-0.3 
>>(from ices-0.3.tar.gz) and winamp3.
>>
>>Currently when I attempt this the winamp clients keep falling 
>>in and out 
>>of sync (tested on local LAN with 2 clients).
>> In fact another problem is that all streams continuous pause 
>>approximately every 10 seconds.
>>
>>I know there are many factors to consider and also that the 
>>quality of 
>>service may not be guarantee over the Internet.
>> However I'm really like to know if anyone has accomplished 
>>this and how. Any comments would be happily accepted thank 
>>you all in advance.
>>
>>K
>>
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From minus273point16c at fastmail.fm  Tue Aug  5 18:57:05 2003
From: minus273point16c at fastmail.fm (Luke Stodola)
Date: Tue, 05 Aug 2003 13:57:05 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Moving clients and JOrbis
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I'm having trouble with the "Move clients" command in the admin
interface.

All the clients using JOrbis (a java vorbis decoder) just stop playing,
and don't switch to the new stream.  I'll assume this is a JOrbis problem
rather than Icecast2; has anyone else had trouble with this combination
before?

Thanks.

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From lugar at lugar.homeip.net  Tue Aug  5 20:22:51 2003
From: lugar at lugar.homeip.net (Matthew Fields)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 15:22:51 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Difficulties with Ices2
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0308051519520.6832-100000@lugar.homeip.net>



I have been successful in running a playlist through Ices and Icecast...
I have run into difficulty running a live stream through the soundcard,
however...

The following is the log when I attempt to run ices ices-mylive.xml:

INFO ices-core/main ices started...
EROR input-oss/oss_open_module Couldn't set sample format to AFMT_S16_LE
EROR input/input_loop Couldn't initialise input module "oss"
INFO ices-core/main Shutdown complete

Contents of the ices-mylive.xml:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<ices>
    <background>0</background> <!-- run in background? (unimplemented) -->
    <logpath>/usr/local/icecast</logpath> <!-- where logs, etc go. -->
    <logfile>/usr/local/icecast/logs/ices.log</logfile>
    <loglevel>4</loglevel> <!-- 1=error,2=warn,3=info,4=debug -->
    <consolelog>1</consolelog>
        <!-- set this to 1 to log to console of file above -->
    <stream>
        <!-- metadata used for stream listing (not currently used) -->
        <metadata>
            <name>Radio Free Linux</name>
            <genre>Talk Radio</genre>
            <description>Radio Free Linux - Your Source for Open
Source</description>
        </metadata>
        <input>
            <module>oss</module>
            <param name="rate">11000</param> <!-- samplerate 22050 best-->
            <param name="channels">1</param> <!-- number of channels -->
            <param name="device">/dev/dsp</param> <!-- audio device -->
            <param name="metadata">0</param>
            <param name="metadatafilename">test</param>
        </input>
        <instance>
            <hostname>10.20.20.92</hostname>
            <port>8000</port>
            <password>xxxxx</password>
            <mount>/radiofree.ogg</mount>
            <reconnectdelay>2</reconnectdelay>
            <reconnectattempts>5</reconnectattempts>
            <maxqueuelength>80</maxqueuelength>
            <encode>
                <nominal-bitrate>16000</nominal-bitrate>
                    <!-- bps. e.g. 64000 for 64 kbps -->
                    <!-- bps. e.g. 32000 optimal for lesser cards -->
                <samplerate>11000</samplerate>
                    <!-- 22050 optimal for older cards -->
                <channels>1</channels>
            <quality>1</quality>
            </encode>
        </instance>
    </stream>
</ices>

The config is pretty simple, a SuSE 8.0 box.  Soundcard is a SB Pro 2
using OSS.

Any suggestions would be appreciated!!!

Thanks!

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From karl at xiph.org  Tue Aug  5 21:30:54 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 05 Aug 2003 22:30:54 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Difficulties with Ices2
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0308051519520.6832-100000@lugar.homeip.net>
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On Tue, 2003-08-05 at 21:22, Matthew Fields wrote:
> I have been successful in running a playlist through Ices and Icecast...
> I have run into difficulty running a live stream through the soundcard,
> however...
> 
> The following is the log when I attempt to run ices ices-mylive.xml:
> 
> INFO ices-core/main ices started...
> EROR input-oss/oss_open_module Couldn't set sample format to AFMT_S16_LE
> EROR input/input_loop Couldn't initialise input module "oss"
> INFO ices-core/main Shutdown complete

It's saying it failed to initialise the driver. This maybe due to some
limitation of the hardware/driver with respect to the specified
samplerate.  Try 11025 or some other common one like 22050 or 44100 and
resample to the wanted rate.

>         <input>
>             <module>oss</module>
>             <param name="rate">11000</param> <!-- samplerate 22050 best-->
>             <param name="channels">1</param> <!-- number of channels -->
>             <param name="device">/dev/dsp</param> <!-- audio device -->
>             <param name="metadata">0</param>
>             <param name="metadatafilename">test</param>
>         </input>

Set metadata to 1 if you want the metadata to be read from the file.

karl.

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From lugar at lugar.homeip.net  Tue Aug  5 21:33:29 2003
From: lugar at lugar.homeip.net (Matthew Fields)
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2003 16:33:29 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Difficulties with Ices2
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Thanks for the advice....  I think I might have an easier way to do what I
want (I'm providing an audio stream for an amateur radio club. They'll
plug a radio into the server's soundcard and it'll broadcast the stream).

I tried using the stdinpcm module and did an "ices ices-stdin.xml <
/dev/audio" and voila!!!

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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Aug  6 01:09:07 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 6 Aug 2003 11:09:07 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Moving clients and JOrbis
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On Wednesday 06 August 2003 04:57, Luke Stodola wrote:
> I'm having trouble with the "Move clients" command in the admin
> interface.
>
> All the clients using JOrbis (a java vorbis decoder) just stop playing,
> and don't switch to the new stream.  I'll assume this is a JOrbis problem
> rather than Icecast2; has anyone else had trouble with this combination
> before?
>

It may or may not be. There are certain circumstances where this stream 
switching won't work reliably - but it's probably a client bug if it happens 
consistently, and other players work.

Mike

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From konny at waitrose.com  Wed Aug  6 01:51:44 2003
From: konny at waitrose.com (Mr I)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 02:51:44 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Stream sycronisation and player skipping
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Mr I wrote:

> Todd Poston wrote:
>
>> Good Luck.  As mentioned before, this would be cool but not as simple,
>> even in theory, as it sounds.
>>
>> You might be interested in this thread:
>> http://www.xiph.org/archives/icecast/4849.html
>> http://www.xiph.org/archives/icecast/4853.html
>>
>> Let us know when its done! ;) heh
>>  
>>
> thanks for that Todd.
> Reading Mike's reply in the latter thread it seems that the ogg 
> streaming protocol has built in time stamping.
> Now I'm nowhere near an expert but why would this be hard to implement 
> a server / client solution.
> Why would the player side be difficult? What are the factors?
>
> Does that mean that you haven't worked out a work around Todd?
>
It gets worst....
Isolated why stream was skipping (overloaded server), but now the winamp 
clients play the streams at different speeds? How is this possible?
Gessh and I thought this would be simple :)

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From minus273point16c at fastmail.fm  Wed Aug  6 15:35:29 2003
From: minus273point16c at fastmail.fm (Luke Stodola)
Date: Wed, 06 Aug 2003 10:35:29 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Moving clients and JOrbis
Message-ID: <20030806153529.A4373389DE@www.fastmail.fm>



Here is what I'm trying to do: most of the time, I broadcast from a
playlist, just loooping through prerecorded content.  Sometimes, say at a
special concert or sports game, a live stream (from a laptop's line-in)
is broadcast instead.

Ideally, the laptop could simply "take over" the stream from IceS, and
hand it back when we're finished with the live stuff.  Is there a way to
do this?

The alternative I thought of was to just leave IceS running, connect the
live stream, add a playlist item to IceS "In just a moment we'll switch
over to our live event...", move the clients over to the live stream, end
with "Now we return to regularly scheduled content...", and move clients
back, hoping that the transitions aren't to rough (such as jumping right
into the middle of a song).  This sounds like it should work, but it
would be clumsy.

Another idea is to have an entry in the playlist that points to the live
stream.  When I'm ready to stream live, I simply edit the playlist file,
add a line to the stream after the currently playing song (or whenever I
want to do the switch), and upload the file.  IceS rereads the playlist
file after it finishes the current song, and could maybe simply
rebroadcast the live stream.  When I'm finished, I could just kill the
live stream and IceS would go on to the next item in the playlist. 
However, I haven't had any luck with this.  Ices simply gives an "error
opening file ... no such file or directory".  Am I doing something wrong?
 Could this method potentially work?

Or, any other ideas on how to do the same thing?

Thanks in advance.

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Thu Aug  7 07:26:39 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 17:26:39 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Moving clients and JOrbis
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Hi:

If I remember correctly, you can now specify input from standard input in
the playlist.  this might provide you with a nice workaround, allowing you
to feed the live audio to ices via stdin and then you could HUP it to move
onto the next item at the end.  The mountpoint method is the most
straight-forward of course, and is designed for this sort of thing, but
mightn't be as graceful (at least with using stdin, you'd come back in at
the beginning of a recording).

The project which I've aluded to a few times which still remains unreleased
can do this sort of thing very nicely, with crossfades and everything.

geoff.

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From karl at xiph.org  Thu Aug  7 11:54:28 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 07 Aug 2003 12:54:28 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Moving clients and JOrbis
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On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 08:26, Geoff Shang wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> If I remember correctly, you can now specify input from standard input in
> the playlist.  this might provide you with a nice workaround, allowing you
> to feed the live audio to ices via stdin and then you could HUP it to move
> onto the next item at the end.  The mountpoint method is the most
> straight-forward of course, and is designed for this sort of thing, but
> mightn't be as graceful (at least with using stdin, you'd come back in at
> the beginning of a recording).

the - in the playlist allows for reading ogg streams from stdin not PCM.
My current set of modifications do have some working code that allows
for switching input which may be helpful here.

karl.

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From minus273point16c at fastmail.fm  Thu Aug  7 15:54:00 2003
From: minus273point16c at fastmail.fm (Luke Stodola)
Date: Thu, 07 Aug 2003 10:54:00 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Moving clients and JOrbis
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One solution might be to make a named pipe (mkfifo live), add that item
to your playlist, and pipe data into that pipe.  It works fine for local
files (cat music.ogg > live), but when I try with for example "wget
http://icecast2.ksl.com:8000/ksl.ogg -O live" ices keeps giving:
[2003-08-07  11:50:05] WARN input/input_sleep Extended sleep requested
(1127219200 ms), sleeping for 5 seconds

Any ideas?

<p><p>> The project which I've aluded to a few times which still remains
> unreleased
> can do this sort of thing very nicely, with crossfades and everything.
> 
> geoff.
Any estimate on a tentative release date?

Thanks.


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From karl at xiph.org  Thu Aug  7 16:27:33 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 07 Aug 2003 17:27:33 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Moving clients and JOrbis
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On Thu, 2003-08-07 at 16:54, Luke Stodola wrote:
> One solution might be to make a named pipe (mkfifo live), add that item
> to your playlist, and pipe data into that pipe.  It works fine for local
> files (cat music.ogg > live), but when I try with for example "wget
> http://icecast2.ksl.com:8000/ksl.ogg -O live" ices keeps giving:
> [2003-08-07  11:50:05] WARN input/input_sleep Extended sleep requested
> (1127219200 ms), sleeping for 5 seconds

First make sure you have a recent ices, but trying

wget http://icecast2.ksl.com:8000/ksl.ogg -O - | ices ices-playlist.xml

where the playlist has a - works here

karl.

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From fcp at pop.co.za  Fri Aug  8 08:34:49 2003
From: fcp at pop.co.za (Yossi Down-Under)
Date: 08 Aug 2003 10:34:49 +0200
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 question
Message-ID: <1060331688.13321.2.camel@server>



Trying to build icecast2 on linux to use with globecom jukebox.

When I run ./configure, it cannot find xslt-conf. 

Can you provide a list of requirements for icecast2?

Thanks,

L. Baker

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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Fri Aug  8 09:22:38 2003
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 11:22:38 +0200
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 question
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Yossi Down-Under wrote:
> Trying to build icecast2 on linux to use with globecom jukebox.
> 
> When I run ./configure, it cannot find xslt-conf.
> 
> Can you provide a list of requirements for icecast2?

Depending on your distribution, you also need the corresponding -devel
packages installed (if -devel exists, install it). Icecast2 needs
libogg, libvorbis, libxml2, libxslt and curl. If you don't want to
install a nightly snapshot, you will also need recent versions of
autotools - autoconf, automake and libtool.

<p>Moritz
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From arc at indymedia.org  Fri Aug  8 17:17:17 2003
From: arc at indymedia.org (Arc)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 13:17:17 -0400
Subject: [icecast] Ogg streams on MacOSX
Message-ID: <20030808171717.GR47288@selket.nyfss.org>


This comes from the Indymedia global audio list.  How about setting up a
software page on icecast.org with a list of players that work properly?

Many players on vorbis.com will only play files on a hard drive, not
streaming files, such a list would be very helpful towards promoting Ogg
as a useful streaming format.

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The whole world doesn't use Linux or Windows.  Some tiny fraction of 
computer users use Macs.  I didn't realize until yesterday evening how 
difficult and mysterious it is to try to listen to an icecast ogg vorbis 
stream on a Macintosh running OS X.

So, just in case anybody out there needs to know, here's one way to do it.

LISTENING TO OGG VORBIS STREAMS ON A MACINTOSH RUNNING OS X:

You'd think iTunes and RealPlayer would play ogg vorbis streams, but they 
don't, and a lot of other "solutions" tossed up by Google don't seem to work 
either, at least for mere mortals like me.  The only ogg-stream player that 
installed on a new macintosh this morning and actually got the job done was 
Whamb! 1.2, which you can download from http://www.whamb.com in a pretty 
straightforward, user-friendly manner.

To make Whamb! your default player for web links ending in ".m3u" --

- control-click on, for instance, one of the "56K" links on our home page 
--http://seattle.indymedia.org/ -- and select Download Link to Disk from the 
resulting pop-up menu

- find the downloaded .m3u file, for instance by clicking on the magnifying 
glass next to the new entry in the Downloads box on the screen

- control-click on the .m3u file and select "Get Info" from the pop-up menu

- in the new info box, click on the arrow next to "Open with"

- from the newly exposed menu, select Whamb!

- click on the button immediately below, labeled "Use this application to 
open all documents like this. [Change All ...]"

- From now on, clicking on links ending in ".mp3.m3u" or ".ogg.m3u" should 
open Whamb! and play the streams the links refer to

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From ice at wasteland.respond2.com  Fri Aug  8 17:33:34 2003
From: ice at wasteland.respond2.com (Keegan Quinn)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 10:33:34 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Ogg streams on MacOSX
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On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 01:17:17PM -0400, Arc wrote:
> This comes from the Indymedia global audio list.  How about setting up a
> software page on icecast.org with a list of players that work properly?

I maintain such a page here:

http://thebasement.org/sound/vorbis_info

It's probably woefully incomplete.

> Many players on vorbis.com will only play files on a hard drive, not
> streaming files, such a list would be very helpful towards promoting Ogg
> as a useful streaming format.

I think so too.  I'd be glad to take suggestions for alterations to my list,
or maintain it somewhere more visible.

Thanks,

 - Keegan

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From minus273point16c at fastmail.fm  Fri Aug  8 20:57:44 2003
From: minus273point16c at fastmail.fm (Luke Stodola)
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 2003 15:57:44 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Debian packages: icecast2, libshout, ices2
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I've compiled Keegan's libogg, libvorbis, and icecast2 packages for
woody/powerpc, available at
http://showcase.stjacademy.org/debianpackages/ if anyone wants them. 
Keegan, feel fry to put these on your site.

I was unable to get a libshout (and therefore IceS) package compiled
easily; there were too many unmet build-deps when running woody that I
didn't want to install.  Keegan, how hard is it to cross-compile to
powerpc?  If you wouldn't mind making some PPC versions of your packages,
I'd be happy to test them.  Thanks.

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From ice at wasteland.respond2.com  Fri Aug  8 21:36:28 2003
From: ice at wasteland.respond2.com (Keegan Quinn)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:36:28 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Debian packages: icecast2, libshout, ices2
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On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 03:57:44PM -0500, Luke Stodola wrote:
> I've compiled Keegan's libogg, libvorbis, and icecast2 packages for
> woody/powerpc, available at
> http://showcase.stjacademy.org/debianpackages/ if anyone wants them. 
> Keegan, feel fry to put these on your site.

Thanks, but it looks to me like you've done a bit more than recompile my
packages for PowerPC.  The Debian revisions are completely different; in
fact, they match the current unstable versions, which is going to cause
some very confusing conflicts for anyone who tries to upgrade them!

(I mean for libogg and libvorbis; icecast2 is numbered correctly, but
is still unusable without the other two...)

Try to 'apt-get source -b' my packages on your build machine, maybe? 

> I was unable to get a libshout (and therefore IceS) package compiled
> easily; there were too many unmet build-deps when running woody that I
> didn't want to install.

Perhaps this is because you used the unstable source packages instead of my
backports?  I haven't read the diffs yet but it seems like this is what
has happened, judging by the revision numbers.  The libshout packages in
unstable use a build system which is not yet available in woody, called
the common Debian build system (cdbs).

Did you perhaps have a 'deb-src' entry for unstable in your sources.list?

> Keegan, how hard is it to cross-compile to
> powerpc?  If you wouldn't mind making some PPC versions of your packages,
> I'd be happy to test them.  Thanks.

I've never tried cross-compiling, but perhaps I can look into it, if you
can't figure out an easy, repeatable way of rebuilding my source packages.
It really shouldn't be difficult, though; I can't understand why the
build-dependancies would be any different on powerpc from i386.

Testing will be greatly appreciated, thanks!  I'm glad at the prospect of
adding powerpc support to these backports.

By the way, I'm planning on preparing updated backports, probably this
weekend, of at least ices2 and icecast2.  I'm hoping to get onto a
bi-weekly update schedule for these, along with the versions I've got
in unstable.

Thanks,

 - Keegan

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From ice at wasteland.respond2.com  Fri Aug  8 21:41:07 2003
From: ice at wasteland.respond2.com (Keegan Quinn)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 14:41:07 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Debian and ices0
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On Mon, Aug 04, 2003 at 02:19:50PM -0400, Brendan Cully wrote:
> On Monday, 04 August 2003 at 10:40, Keegan Quinn wrote:
> > Would it be possible, or would it make sense, to distribute ices0 without
> > LAME?  Emmanuel told me that the icecast-client currently in Debian
> > (for the old icecast 1) manages to stream MP3s without re-encoding them,
> > so I am curious as to whether this might be a reasonable approach for
> > ices0 as well.
> 
> ices0 works well without lame - it just can't transcode or
> reencode. It's still a huge improvement over shout.

Great!  This is back on my tasks list now.  Hopefully I'll have time for
this sometime in the next couple weeks.

Thanks,

 - Keegan

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From chrisg1 at umbc.edu  Sat Aug  9 01:20:09 2003
From: chrisg1 at umbc.edu (Chris G Moguta)
Date: Fri, 8 Aug 2003 21:20:09 -0400
Subject: [icecast] Ogg streams on MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Ogg streams on MacOSX>
Message-ID: <3F3CB371@webmail.umbc.edu>



>I maintain such a page here:
>
>http://thebasement.org/sound/vorbis_info
>
>It's probably woefully incomplete.

Well, there are only a few more, AFAIK:

- The Quinntissential Player [Windows]
http://www.quinnware.com/

- Zinf [Windows & Linux]
http://www.zinf.org/

- MacAmp [Mac]
http://www.subband.com/macamp/

- Audion 3 [Mac]
http://www.panic.com/audion/

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From dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de  Sat Aug  9 10:28:14 2003
From: dm8tbr at afthd.tu-darmstadt.de (Thomas B. Rücker, DM8TBR)
Date: Sat, 9 Aug 2003 12:28:14 +0200
Subject: [icecast] weird differences between stats (xml vs. admin interface)
Message-ID: <002f01c35e60$f15b26e0$c800a8c0@puck>



While maintaining the Relay-Server for Radio Subether [1] the official Chaos Communication Camp [2] Radio Station I noticed some weird behaviour.

We don???t have QoS for the Relay-Path, so the Relay started pretty soon to be 
unstable. Especially the higher bandwidth streams are very often unavailable. To monitor this behaviour I was constantly reloading the "List MountPoints" page AND the normal status.xsl/stats.xml [3] page. Soon I noticed a big discrepancy between both readouts. The admin-readout was way higher than the status.xsl-readout. 

This was reproducible under following circumstances:
1. stable relay
2. increasing number of listeners (~70 on both readouts)
3. relay gets unstable
4. status.xsl shows that all mountpoints are unavailable / random mountpoints get into available status (1-3 listeners) on repeated page-reloads & admin-interface shows all/most mountpoints as available with much higher listener count.

While checking the availability of each stream with Winamp I developed an theory:
When listening to a stream on the relay it starts to rebuffer pretty often or even takes really long to rebuffer. So maybe the code generating the stats.xml file dumps all listeners of the stats on an "disconnected from source event" although they seem to stay connected. This is also what is shown by the listclients.xsl in the admin interface - many listeners have high "connected for" counts although the stats.xml had shown this mountpoint several times as unavailable.

Has anyone else noticed such behaviour? Is it a bug or a feature? ;)

Thomas

[1] Radio Subether: http://www.subether.de
[2] Chaos Communication Camp: http://www.ccc.de/camp/
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    will be available until 10.08.03

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From minus273point16c at fastmail.fm  Sun Aug 10 16:29:47 2003
From: minus273point16c at fastmail.fm (Luke Stodola)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 11:29:47 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Debian packages: icecast2, libshout, ices2
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Yep, it was a testing src line that was throwing me off.  I *knew*
compiling debian packages was easier than I had been making it!

I've placed the new packages on showcase.stjacademy.org/debianpackages/
again.  (All I did was apt-get build-dep package and apt-get -b source
package for each of them, so the versions should be correct.)

Again, thanks Keegan for making these.  I will certainly appreciate
continued updates.

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From jjenning at fastmail.fm  Sun Aug 10 18:31:40 2003
From: jjenning at fastmail.fm (jared jennings)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:31:40 -0400
Subject: [icecast] Ogg streams on MacOSX
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On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 09:20:09PM -0400, Chris G (Moguta) wrote:
> >I maintain such a page here:
> >
> >http://thebasement.org/sound/vorbis_info
> >
> >It's probably woefully incomplete.
> 
> Well, there are only a few more, AFAIK:
> - MacAmp [Mac]
> http://www.subband.com/macamp/
> 
> - Audion 3 [Mac]
> http://www.panic.com/audion/

doesn't mint audio play ogg streams too? http://mint.unsanity.com/
it's not free, but neither is much of anything else for the mac. :P


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From jjenning at fastmail.fm  Sun Aug 10 18:34:45 2003
From: jjenning at fastmail.fm (jared jennings)
Date: Sun, 10 Aug 2003 14:34:45 -0400
Subject: [icecast] ruby-shout 2.0 released
Message-ID: <20030810183445.GB14697@poit.homeip.net>


ruby-shout 2.0 has been released. it has an raa entry on
raa.ruby-lang.org, and a (modest) page at
http://www.dingoskidneys.com/~jaredj/shout.html. 


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From wdh at belbone.be  Mon Aug 11 09:32:33 2003
From: wdh at belbone.be (Wim)
Date: 11 Aug 2003 11:32:33 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Problems starting ices
Message-ID: <1060594352.15151.30.camel@tyr.car.belbone.be>



Hi!

I've installed icecast and ices on a FreeBSD box.
When I try to start ices, I get following output:

[2003-08-11  11:02:14] INFO ices-core/main ices started...
[2003-08-11  11:02:14] INFO signals/signal_usr1_handler Metadata update
requested
[2003-08-11  11:02:14] INFO
playlist-basic/playlist_basic_get_next_filename Loading playlist from
file "/home/wim/playlist.txt"
[2003-08-11  11:02:14] DBUG playlist-basic/shuffle Playlist has been
shuffled
[2003-08-11  11:02:14] INFO playlist-builtin/playlist_read Currently
playing /home/wim/morgoth-under_the_surface.ogg
[2003-08-11  11:02:14] EROR stream/ices_instance_stream Failed initial
connect to 127.0.0.1:8000 (Login failed: Resource temporarily
unavailable)
[2003-08-11  11:02:14] DBUG reencode/reencode_clear Clearing reencoder
[2003-08-11  11:02:14] DBUG input/input_loop An instance died, removing
it
[2003-08-11  11:02:14] DBUG input/input_flush_queue Input queue flush
requested
[2003-08-11  11:02:14] DBUG input/input_loop All instances removed,
shutting down control thread.
[2003-08-11  11:02:14] INFO ices-core/main Shutdown complete

<p>Someone has a clue?

<p><p>This is my error.log output:

[2003-08-11  10:53:14] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
logging in at mountpoint "/test.ogg"
[2003-08-11  10:53:14] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
(/test.ogg) attempted to login with invalid or missing password

<p>-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Here are my configs:

icecast.xml
<icecast>
    <location>Not Currently Used</location>
    <admin>Not Currently Used</admin>

    <limits>
        <clients>100</clients>
        <sources>2</sources>
        <threadpool>5</threadpool>
        <queue-size>102400</queue-size>
        <client-timeout>30</client-timeout>
        <header-timeout>15</header-timeout>
        <source-timeout>10</source-timeout>
    </limits>

    <authentication>
        <!-- Sources log in with username 'source' -->
        <source-password>test</source-password>
        <!-- Relays log in username 'relay' -->
        <relay-password>test</relay-password>

        <!-- Admin logs in with the username given below -->
        <admin-user>admin</admin-user>
        <admin-password>test</admin-password>
    </authentication>

    <hostname>localhost</hostname>

    <!-- You may have multiple <listener> elements -->
    <listen-socket>
        <port>8000</port>
        <!-- <bind-address>127.0.0.1</bind-address> -->
    </listen-socket>

<p>    <!-- Only define a <mount> section if you want to use advanced
options,
         like alternative usernames or passwords
      -->
    <mount>
        <mount-name>/test.ogg</mount-name>
        <username>othersource</username>
        <password>test</password>

        <max-listeners>1</max-listeners>
        <fallback-mount>/example2.ogg</fallback-mount>
    </mount>

    <fileserve>0</fileserve>

    <paths>
        <basedir>/usr/local/share/icecast</basedir>

        <logdir>/var/log/icecast</logdir>
        <!-- <webroot>/usr/local/etc/icecast/web</webroot> -->
        <!-- <adminroot>/usr/local/etc/icecast/admin</adminroot> -->

        <!-- Aliases: treat requests for 'source' path as being for
'dest' path
             May be made specific to a port or bound address using the
"port"
             and "bind-address" attributes.
          -->
        <!--
        <alias source="/foo" dest="/bar"/>
          -->
    </paths>

    <logging>
        <accesslog>access.log</accesslog>
        <errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
        <loglevel>4</loglevel> <!-- 4 Debug, 3 Info, 2 Warn, 1 Error -->
    </logging>

    <security>
        <chroot>0</chroot>
        <changeowner>
            <user>nobody</user>
            <group>nogroup</group>
        </changeowner>
    </security>
</icecast>

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

ices.xml
<ices>
    <background>0</background> <!-- run in background? (unimplemented)
-->
    <logpath>/var/log/icecast</logpath> <!-- where logs, etc go. -->
    <logfile>ices.log</logfile>
    <loglevel>4</loglevel> <!-- 1=error,2=warn,3=info,4=debug -->
    <consolelog>1</consolelog>
        <!-- set to 1 to log to the console instead of file -->
    <stream>
        <!-- metadata used for stream listing (not currently used) -->
        <metadata>
            <name>Test</name>
            <genre>Playlist</genre>
            <description>TEST</description>
        </metadata>
        <input>
            <module>playlist</module>
            <param name="type">basic</param><!-- Only 'basic'
implemented -->
            <param name="file">/home/wim/playlist.txt</param> <!-- be
sure this exists -->
            <param name="random">1</param> <!-- random play -->
            <param name="once">0</param> <!-- 1 plays once through,
exits -->
        </input>
        <instance>
            <hostname>127.0.0.1</hostname>
            <port>8000</port>
            <password>hackme</password>
            <mount>/test.ogg</mount>
            <reconnectdelay>2</reconnectdelay>
            <reconnectattempts>5</reconnectattempts>
            <maxqueuelength>80</maxqueuelength>
        <encode>
            <nominal-bitrate>56000</nominal-bitrate>
                <!-- bps. e.g. 64000 for 64 kbps -->
            <samplerate>22050</samplerate>
            <channels>2</channels>
            </encode>
        </instance>
        </stream>
</ices>

<p><p><p>Cheers!
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From wdh at belbone.be  Mon Aug 11 11:45:55 2003
From: wdh at belbone.be (Wim)
Date: 11 Aug 2003 13:45:55 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Re: troubles with ices
In-Reply-To: <20030811113035.28851.qmail@web80602.mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1060602354.14514.43.camel@tyr.car.belbone.be>



Hi Max,

Thanx for your response.
I changed the passwords, they are all "test" now, but still I have the
same problem:

[2003-08-11  13:42:09] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
logging in at mountpoint "/test.ogg"
[2003-08-11  13:42:09] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
(/test.ogg) attempted to login with invalid or missing password

<p>ICECAST:

   <authentication>
        <!-- Sources log in with username 'source' -->
        <source-password>test</source-password>
        <!-- Relays log in username 'relay' -->
        <relay-password>test</relay-password>

        <!-- Admin logs in with the username given below -->
        <admin-user>admin</admin-user>
        <admin-password>test</admin-password>
    </authentication>

ICES:

    <instance>
        <hostname>127.0.0.1</hostname>
        <port>8000</port>
        <password>test</password>
        <mount>/test.ogg</mount>
        <reconnectdelay>2</reconnectdelay>
        <reconnectattempts>5</reconnectattempts>
        <maxqueuelength>80</maxqueuelength>
        <encode>
        <nominal-bitrate>56000</nominal-bitrate>
            <!-- bps. e.g. 64000 for 64 kbps -->
        <samplerate>22050</samplerate>
        <channels>2</channels>
        </encode>
    </instance>

<p><p>On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 13:30, Teneur MAxime wrote:
> hi...
> 
> your password in the config of ices and of icecast are
> different.
> <source-password> from icecast must to be the same as
> <password> in an instace of ices...
> 
> it seems to be a solution but???
> 
> 
> max
> 
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From karl at xiph.org  Mon Aug 11 11:54:08 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 11 Aug 2003 12:54:08 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Problems starting ices
In-Reply-To: <1060594352.15151.30.camel@tyr.car.belbone.be>
Message-ID: <1060602847.22233.58.camel@bogus.hackers.club>



On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 10:32, Wim wrote:
> Hi!
> 
> I've installed icecast and ices on a FreeBSD box.
> When I try to start ices, I get following output:
> 
> [2003-08-11  11:02:14] INFO ices-core/main ices started...
> [2003-08-11  11:02:14] INFO signals/signal_usr1_handler Metadata update
> requested
> [2003-08-11  11:02:14] INFO
> playlist-basic/playlist_basic_get_next_filename Loading playlist from
> file "/home/wim/playlist.txt"
> [2003-08-11  11:02:14] DBUG playlist-basic/shuffle Playlist has been
> shuffled
> [2003-08-11  11:02:14] INFO playlist-builtin/playlist_read Currently
> playing /home/wim/morgoth-under_the_surface.ogg
> [2003-08-11  11:02:14] EROR stream/ices_instance_stream Failed initial
> connect to 127.0.0.1:8000 (Login failed: Resource temporarily
> unavailable)

hmmm, can you get me the strace output of this run, ie

trace -o output -s 100 -f ices your-ices.xml

the Resource temporarily unavailable message is unusual as well

karl.

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From wdh at belbone.be  Mon Aug 11 12:29:53 2003
From: wdh at belbone.be (Wim)
Date: 11 Aug 2003 14:29:53 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Problems starting ices
In-Reply-To: <1060602847.22233.58.camel@bogus.hackers.club>
Message-ID: <1060604992.14514.46.camel@tyr.car.belbone.be>



Hi Karl,

I would like to send you the output, but after installing strace on my
FreeBSD, i get the following:

<p>/usr/local/bin/strace -o output -s 100 -f /usr/local/bin/ices
/usr/local/etc/icecast/ices.xml
strace: open("/proc/...", ...): No such file or directory
trouble opening proc file

Is there another way to send you a trace?

<p><p><p>On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 13:54, Karl Heyes wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 10:32, Wim wrote:
> > Hi!
> > 
> > I've installed icecast and ices on a FreeBSD box.
> > When I try to start ices, I get following output:
> > 
> > [2003-08-11  11:02:14] INFO ices-core/main ices started...
> > [2003-08-11  11:02:14] INFO signals/signal_usr1_handler Metadata update
> > requested
> > [2003-08-11  11:02:14] INFO
> > playlist-basic/playlist_basic_get_next_filename Loading playlist from
> > file "/home/wim/playlist.txt"
> > [2003-08-11  11:02:14] DBUG playlist-basic/shuffle Playlist has been
> > shuffled
> > [2003-08-11  11:02:14] INFO playlist-builtin/playlist_read Currently
> > playing /home/wim/morgoth-under_the_surface.ogg
> > [2003-08-11  11:02:14] EROR stream/ices_instance_stream Failed initial
> > connect to 127.0.0.1:8000 (Login failed: Resource temporarily
> > unavailable)
> 
> hmmm, can you get me the strace output of this run, ie
> 
> strace -o output -s 100 -f ices your-ices.xml
> 
> the Resource temporarily unavailable message is unusual as well
> 
> karl.
> 
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From gshang at uq.net.au  Mon Aug 11 12:42:12 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 22:42:12 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Problems starting ices
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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.56.0308112236580.32496@data.home>



On Mon, 11 Aug 2003, Wim wrote:

>     <mount>
>         <mount-name>/test.ogg</mount-name>
>         <username>othersource</username>
>         <password>test</password>
>
>         <max-listeners>1</max-listeners>
>         <fallback-mount>/example2.ogg</fallback-mount>
>     </mount>

This is your problem IMHO.  As the comments above it say, this is only
meant for exception cases.  Maybe it should be commented out by default if
it's not already?  anyway, to connect to this mountpoint, you'll need to
login with the username of "othersource" which you're not doing.  My
suggestion is to comment out this entire block (at least for now) and see
if you can get it to work with the default case.

Geoff.

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From karl at xiph.org  Mon Aug 11 13:59:59 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 11 Aug 2003 14:59:59 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Problems starting ices
In-Reply-To: <1060604992.14514.46.camel@tyr.car.belbone.be>
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On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 13:29, Wim wrote:
> Hi Karl,
> 
> I would like to send you the output, but after installing strace on my
> FreeBSD, i get the following:
> 
> 
> /usr/local/bin/strace -o output -s 100 -f /usr/local/bin/ices
> /usr/local/etc/icecast/ices.xml
> strace: open("/proc/...", ...): No such file or directory
> trouble opening proc file
> 
> Is there another way to send you a trace?

hmm, looks like truss is to be used on FBSD

truss -o output -f ices your-ices.xml

karl.

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From chrisg1 at umbc.edu  Mon Aug 11 14:01:29 2003
From: chrisg1 at umbc.edu (Chris G Moguta)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 10:01:29 -0400
Subject: [icecast] Ogg streams on MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Ogg streams on MacOSX>
Message-ID: <3F3FEE89@webmail.umbc.edu>



>doesn't mint audio play ogg streams too? http://mint.unsanity.com/
>it's not free, but neither is much of anything else for the mac. :P

I'm not sure.  The features only mention Ogg Vorbis support, no insight into 
whether it supports Icecast 2 streaming.

- Chris

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From wdh at belbone.be  Mon Aug 11 14:10:24 2003
From: wdh at belbone.be (Wim)
Date: 11 Aug 2003 16:10:24 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Problems starting ices
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Hi Karl,

        Our friend Geoff Shang told me to uncomment the whole <mount> thing in
my icecast config. I did this and now it seems to work.

truss doesn't work either, I don't have a /proc directory... I should
check if I have procfs enabled.

<p>On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 15:59, Karl Heyes wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-08-11 at 13:29, Wim wrote:
> > Hi Karl,
> > 
> > I would like to send you the output, but after installing strace on my
> > FreeBSD, i get the following:
> > 
> > 
> > /usr/local/bin/strace -o output -s 100 -f /usr/local/bin/ices
> > /usr/local/etc/icecast/ices.xml
> > strace: open("/proc/...", ...): No such file or directory
> > trouble opening proc file
> > 
> > Is there another way to send you a trace?
> 
> hmm, looks like truss is to be used on FBSD
> 
> truss -o output -f ices your-ices.xml
> 
> karl.
> 
> 
> 
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From matt at sprout.org  Mon Aug 11 17:22:26 2003
From: matt at sprout.org (Matt Boersma)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 11:22:26 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Ogg streams on MacOSX
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On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 02:31:40PM -0400, jared jennings wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 09:20:09PM -0400, Chris G (Moguta) wrote:
> > >I maintain such a page here:
> > >
> > >http://thebasement.org/sound/vorbis_info
> > >
> > >It's probably woefully incomplete.
> > 
> > Well, there are only a few more, AFAIK:
> > - MacAmp [Mac]
> > http://www.subband.com/macamp/
> > 
> > - Audion 3 [Mac]
> > http://www.panic.com/audion/
> 
> doesn't mint audio play ogg streams too? http://mint.unsanity.com/
> it's not free, but neither is much of anything else for the mac. :P

Mint audio plays static ogg, not streamed, last time I checked.  Also,
has anyone actually gotten MacAMP or Audion 3 to actually play an ogg
stream from icecast2?  I've tried all of them recently, and Whamb is
still the only one that works in my experience.  Let's not lead Mac
users astray; it's frustrating enough not being able to use iTunes.

Matt

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From arc at indymedia.org  Mon Aug 11 17:38:21 2003
From: arc at indymedia.org (Arc)
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 2003 13:38:21 -0400
Subject: [icecast] Ogg streams on MacOSX
In-Reply-To: <20030811112226.B25921@sprout.org>
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On Mon, Aug 11, 2003 at 11:22:26AM -0600, Matt Boersma wrote:
> 
> Mint audio plays static ogg, not streamed, last time I checked.  Also,
> has anyone actually gotten MacAMP or Audion 3 to actually play an ogg
> stream from icecast2?  I've tried all of them recently, and Whamb is
> still the only one that works in my experience.  Let's not lead Mac
> users astray; it's frustrating enough not being able to use iTunes.

I've gotten Mint Audio, MacAMP, and Audion 3 to all play streams -
however, they all have weird problems.  As I recall, both Mint Audio and
MacAMP i had to manually enter the stream URL - it wouldn't open a .m3u
to play an Ogg stream.  And Audion 3 is demo-ware commercial product.

I think we should all be recommending Whamb! - if it gets enough usage
the authors will likely improve Ogg support and thus send a nice message
to Apple about their refusing to support Ogg in iTunes.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Tue Aug 12 00:21:27 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 10:21:27 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Problems starting ices
In-Reply-To: <1060594352.15151.30.camel@tyr.car.belbone.be>
Message-ID: <200308121021.27927.msmith@xiph.org>



On Monday 11 August 2003 19:32, Wim wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I've installed icecast and ices on a FreeBSD box.
> When I try to start ices, I get following output:
>

> [2003-08-11  11:02:14] EROR stream/ices_instance_stream Failed initial
> connect to 127.0.0.1:8000 (Login failed: Resource temporarily
> unavailable)

Ices connect error messages are bad - known problem.

> [2003-08-11  10:53:14] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
> logging in at mountpoint "/test.ogg"
> [2003-08-11  10:53:14] INFO connection/_handle_source_request Source
> (/test.ogg) attempted to login with invalid or missing password

However, icecast has clear error messages.

<p>>     <mount>
>         <mount-name>/test.ogg</mount-name>
>         <username>othersource</username>
>         <password>test</password>
>
>         <max-listeners>1</max-listeners>
>         <fallback-mount>/example2.ogg</fallback-mount>
>     </mount>

You have configured /test.ogg to have password 'test'.

>         <instance>
>             <hostname>127.0.0.1</hostname>
>             <port>8000</port>
>             <password>hackme</password>
>             <mount>/test.ogg</mount>

You are trying to connect on /test.ogg with password 'hackme'.

The icecast error message is confirmed as correct.

Mike

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Tue Aug 12 16:45:31 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 02:45:31 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] ices2 - Unreasonable error?
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.56.0308130238120.32496@data.home>



Hi:

I hit a problem where a script that should return one of a list of files to
be played is returning the same one each time.  This is obviously not an
ices problem, it's what ices did with it that bugs me.  Here's the error:

[2003-08-12  12:17:26] DBUG playlist-script/playlist_script_get_filename
Program/script ("/usr/bin/egosched") returned filename
"/var/music/Rush/Different_Stages_(Disc_3)/11_Cinderella_Man.ogg"
[2003-08-12  12:17:26] EROR playlist-builtin/playlist_read Cannot play same
file twice in a row, skipping

after trying several times to get a different filename, which it obviously
didn't get, it gave up and killed off ices.

Now, I just want to know why this limitation is there.  I can think of
completely legitimate reasons for wanting to repeat a file that's just
played.

Geoff.

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From karl at xiph.org  Tue Aug 12 17:33:11 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 12 Aug 2003 18:33:11 +0100
Subject: [icecast] ices2 - Unreasonable error?
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On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 17:45, Geoff Shang wrote:

> "/var/music/Rush/Different_Stages_(Disc_3)/11_Cinderella_Man.ogg"
> [2003-08-12  12:17:26] EROR playlist-builtin/playlist_read Cannot play same
> file twice in a row, skipping
> 
> after trying several times to get a different filename, which it obviously
> didn't get, it gave up and killed off ices.
> 
> Now, I just want to know why this limitation is there.  I can think of
> completely legitimate reasons for wanting to repeat a file that's just
> played.

<p>it's in because of the random playlist feature, disabling then check
isn't hard and could be stated by a param attribute.

karl.

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From ice at wasteland.respond2.com  Tue Aug 12 19:07:06 2003
From: ice at wasteland.respond2.com (Keegan Quinn)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 12:07:06 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Ogg streams on MacOSX
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On Fri, Aug 08, 2003 at 09:20:09PM -0400, Chris G (Moguta) wrote:
> Well, there are only a few more, AFAIK:
> 
> - The Quinntissential Player [Windows]
> http://www.quinnware.com/
> 
> - Zinf [Windows & Linux]
> http://www.zinf.org/

Thanks for these!  I knew about ZINF already, but my first attempt at
using it on Linux resulted in nothing but crashes.  I'll write it off
as a buggy packaging job; it's on the list now, along with QCD.

> - MacAmp [Mac]
> http://www.subband.com/macamp/
> 
> - Audion 3 [Mac]
> http://www.panic.com/audion/

Hmm.  While these do look unique, I'm not really interested in
recommending commercial products which I have no way of testing or
supporting.  It looks like WHAMB is a great candidate, though.

If someone steps forward with some really convincing testimony
about these two players, I'll probably put them up anyway.

 - Keegan

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From hx-bourrin at wanadoo.fr  Mon Aug 11 23:27:34 2003
From: hx-bourrin at wanadoo.fr (BouRRin)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 01:27:34 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Ices 0.3 & freebsd
Message-ID: <004601c36060$251de930$0200a8c0@blackbird>



Hi,

Just trying to compile ices 0.3 src from tarball on a freebsd 4.5 box.

I installed libshout2-2.0,1 port but ./configure can't find shout_new ...

checking dynamic linker characteristics... freebsd4.5 ld.so
checking if libtool supports shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build shared libraries... yes
checking whether to build static libraries... yes
checking whether -lc should be explicitly linked in... yes
creating libtool
checking for pkg-config... /usr/local/bin/pkg-config
checking shout/shout.h usability... yes
checking shout/shout.h presence... yes
checking for shout/shout.h... yes
checking for shout_new... no
configure: error: Could not find a usable libshout

Sorry for this 'beginner' question, if someone can help, thx.

mbourrin.

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From arc at indymedia.org  Tue Aug 12 19:20:11 2003
From: arc at indymedia.org (Arc)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 15:20:11 -0400
Subject: [icecast] Ices 0.3 & freebsd
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On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 01:27:34AM +0200, BouRRin wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> Just trying to compile ices 0.3 src from tarball on a freebsd 4.5 box.
> 
> I installed libshout2-2.0,1 port but ./configure can't find shout_new ...

Simple.  Compile a copy of libshout2 (release, not from ports), it's a
dependency.  You likely have an old copy of libshout2-beta before the
shout_new function was added (about two months ago as I recall).

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From ice at wasteland.respond2.com  Tue Aug 12 20:09:24 2003
From: ice at wasteland.respond2.com (Keegan Quinn)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 13:09:24 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Debian packages: icecast2, libshout, ices2
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On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 11:29:47AM -0500, Luke Stodola wrote:
> Yep, it was a testing src line that was throwing me off.  I *knew*
> compiling debian packages was easier than I had been making it!

:)  I was pleasantly surprised to see that the packages which made it to
unstable were immediately built correctly on all 11 architectures: i386,
ia64, alpha, s390, arm, hppa, mips, mipsel, sparc, m68k, and powerpc.  A
strong testament to repeatable build systems and portable code.

> I've placed the new packages on showcase.stjacademy.org/debianpackages/
> again.  (All I did was apt-get build-dep package and apt-get -b source
> package for each of them, so the versions should be correct.)

Okay, great!  Looks just right this time.  I've got your builds up
on my APT source now; I don't have a box to test them, obviously, but
I think everything should be working correctly.

> Again, thanks Keegan for making these.  I will certainly appreciate
> continued updates.

No problem!  Glad they're getting used.  I'm falling a bit behind with
the updates, unfortunately, but they're still a high priority for me.
I'll drop another note here when the next ones are ready.

Thanks,

 - Keegan

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From mail at burcion.com  Tue Aug 12 21:12:07 2003
From: mail at burcion.com (Josep)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:12:07 +0200
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Hello,

I'm testing icecast2(apha2) and ices2(beta2). (sources 2003-08-12)

ices2 with ices-playlist works fine!
But I have troubles whith ices-live.
When ices2 trays to read /dev/dsp a log message appears:
INFO input-oss/oss_read Reached EOF, no more data available.
and ices2 shutdown.

the complete log file (debug=4):
*******************  log *******************************************
[2003-08-12  22:40:29] INFO ices-core/main ices started...
[2003-08-12  22:40:29] INFO input-oss/oss_open_module Opened audio device 
/dev/dsp at 2 channel(s), 44100 Hz
[2003-08-12  22:40:29] INFO audio/resample_initialise Initialised resampler 
for 2 channels, from 44100 Hz to 22050 Hz
[2003-08-12  22:40:29] INFO encode/encode_initialise Encoder initialising with 
bitrate management: 2 channels, 22050 Hz, minimum bitrate -1, nominal 64000, 
maximum -1
[2003-08-12  22:40:29] INFO signals/signal_usr1_handler Metadata update 
requested
[2003-08-12  22:40:29] INFO stream/ices_instance_stream Connected to server: 
localhost:8000/so.ogg
[2003-08-12  22:40:29] INFO input-oss/oss_read Reached EOF, no more data 
available
[2003-08-12  22:40:29] DBUG stream-shared/stream_wait_for_data Shutdown 
signalled: thread shutting down
[2003-08-12  22:40:29] DBUG encode/encode_clear Clearing encoder engine
[2003-08-12  22:40:29] DBUG input/input_loop An instance died, removing it
[2003-08-12  22:40:29] DBUG input/input_flush_queue Input queue flush 
requested
[2003-08-12  22:40:29] DBUG input/input_loop All instances removed, shutting 
down control thread.
[2003-08-12  22:40:29] INFO ices-core/main Shutdown complete
**************************** end log ************************

I'm using a Mandrake 9.1 distribution with my custom Kernel 2.4.21-custom
Sound Drivers are ALSA

Somebody know where can be the problem?
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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Aug 13 03:11:36 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:11:36 +1000
Subject: [icecast] ices2 - Unreasonable error?
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Message-ID: <200308131311.36487.msmith@xiph.org>



On Wednesday 13 August 2003 03:33, Karl Heyes wrote:
> On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 17:45, Geoff Shang wrote:
> > "/var/music/Rush/Different_Stages_(Disc_3)/11_Cinderella_Man.ogg"
> > [2003-08-12  12:17:26] EROR playlist-builtin/playlist_read Cannot play
> > same file twice in a row, skipping
> >
> > after trying several times to get a different filename, which it
> > obviously didn't get, it gave up and killed off ices.
> >
> > Now, I just want to know why this limitation is there.  I can think of
> > completely legitimate reasons for wanting to repeat a file that's just
> > played.
>
> it's in because of the random playlist feature, disabling then check
> isn't hard and could be stated by a param attribute.
>

No, it's not. This check must not be disabled until someone (probably me) 
finishes and integrates stream_rewrite. The check is crucial, currently.

Geoff: the limitation is there because a) stream_rewrite isn't finished, and 
b) this means that we have to do this to generate valid ogg bitstreams.

Mike

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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Aug 13 03:13:43 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 13:13:43 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Re:
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> I'm using a Mandrake 9.1 distribution with my custom Kernel 2.4.21-custom
> Sound Drivers are ALSA
>
> Somebody know where can be the problem?

Not sure, but you should try using the alsa input module instead of the oss 
one, since you're using alsa.

Mike

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From chrisg1 at umbc.edu  Wed Aug 13 03:29:00 2003
From: chrisg1 at umbc.edu (Chris G Moguta)
Date: Tue, 12 Aug 2003 23:29:00 -0400
Subject: [icecast] icecast.org
Message-ID: <3F3B8C46@webmail.umbc.edu>



I recently noticed on the icecast.org page, Oddcast_v2 is listed as a WinAmp 3 
plugin.

The WA3 Oddcast was halted a while ago, and I believe deemed quite broken.  
Oddcast_v2 is for WinAmp 2.  Fixing that comment might save newbies some 
confused consternation.  ;-)

Plus, if anyone could be bothered, the "Quintessential Player" and "Whamb" can 
be added to the list of players supporting Icecast 2 (as was recently noted in 
this list).

- Chris

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From wdh at belbone.be  Wed Aug 13 11:13:08 2003
From: wdh at belbone.be (Wim)
Date: 13 Aug 2003 13:13:08 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Ices 0.3 & freebsd
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On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 01:27, BouRRin wrote:
> Hi,
>  
> Just trying to compile ices 0.3 src from tarball on a freebsd 4.5 box.
>  
> I installed libshout2-2.0,1 port but ./configure can't find shout_new
> ...
>  
<SNIP>

I installed libshout on a FreeBSD 5.1 and I used the latest snapshot
from CVS... It worked like a charm ;-)

I suggest that you don't install ports, I had also problems with them.
The latest snapshot from CVS works well ;-)

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From karl at xiph.org  Wed Aug 13 11:40:18 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 13 Aug 2003 12:40:18 +0100
Subject: [icecast] ices2 - Unreasonable error?
In-Reply-To: <200308131311.36487.msmith@xiph.org>
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On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 04:11, Michael Smith wrote:
> On Wednesday 13 August 2003 03:33, Karl Heyes wrote:
> > On Tue, 2003-08-12 at 17:45, Geoff Shang wrote:
> > > "/var/music/Rush/Different_Stages_(Disc_3)/11_Cinderella_Man.ogg"
> > > [2003-08-12  12:17:26] EROR playlist-builtin/playlist_read Cannot play
> > > same file twice in a row, skipping
> > >
> > > after trying several times to get a different filename, which it
> > > obviously didn't get, it gave up and killed off ices.
> > >
> > > Now, I just want to know why this limitation is there.  I can think of
> > > completely legitimate reasons for wanting to repeat a file that's just
> > > played.
> >
> > it's in because of the random playlist feature, disabling then check
> > isn't hard and could be stated by a param attribute.
> >
> 
> No, it's not. This check must not be disabled until someone (probably me) 
> finishes and integrates stream_rewrite. The check is crucial, currently.

well it's not so crucial now, the timer is BOS based not serial number
change based.  The quirk to watch for is that serial numbers won't
change on non-reencoded ogg streams from the playlist, and yes stream
rewrite would resolve that aspect. Unless you're seeing something I'm
not?

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From mail at burcion.com  Wed Aug 13 15:10:08 2003
From: mail at burcion.com (Josep Burcion)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:10:08 +0200
Subject: [icecast] ices2 ans ALSA
Message-ID: <200308131710.08157.mail@burcion.com>



Hello,

I'm using ices2 on ALSA 0.9.6 drivers.
After some troubles, it works.
This is my ices-alsa.xml config file:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<ices>

        <background>0</background> <!-- run in background? (unimplemented) -->
        <logpath>/tmp</logpath> <!-- where logs, etc go. -->
        <logfile>ices2.log</logfile>
        <loglevel>4</loglevel> <!-- 1=error,2=warn,3=info,4=debug -->
    <consolelog>1</consolelog> <!-- logfile is ignored if this is set to 1 -->

        <stream>
                <!-- metadata used for stream listing (not currently used) -->
                <metadata>
                        <name>Example stream name</name>
                        <genre>Example genre</genre>
                        <description>A short description of your stream</description>
                </metadata>

                <!-- input module
                         This example uses the 'alsa' module. It takes input from the
                         plughw:0,0 alsa audio device, and processes it for live
                         encoding.
                -->
                <input>
                        <module>alsa</module>
                        <param name="rate">44100</param> <!-- samplerate -->
                        <param name="channels">2</param> <!-- number of channels -->
                        <param name="device">plughw:0,0</param> <!-- audio device -->
                        <param name="metadata">0</param> <!-- Read metadata (from stdin by default, 
or filename defined below (if the latter, only on SIGUSR1) -->
                        <param name="metadatafilename">test</param>
                </input>

                <!-- Stream instance
                         You may have one or more instances here. This allows you to
                         send the same input data to one or more servers (or to different
                         mountpoints on the same server). Each of them can have different
                         parameters. This is primarily useful for a) relaying to multiple
                         independent servers, and b) encoding/reencoding to multiple
                         bitrates.
                         If one instance fails (for example, the associated server goes
                         down, etc), the others will continue to function correctly.
                         This example defines a single instance doing live encoding at
                         low bitrate.
                -->
                <instance>
                        <!-- Server details:
                                 You define hostname and port for the server here, along with
                                 the source password and mountpoint.
                        -->
                        <hostname>localhost</hostname>
                        <port>8000</port>
                        <password>hackme</password>
                        <mount>/so.ogg</mount>

                        <!-- Live encoding/reencoding:
                                 channels and samplerate currently MUST match the channels
                                 and samplerate given in the parameters to the oss input
                                 module above.

                                 -->
                        <maxqueuelength>80</maxqueuelength>
                        <encode>
                                <nominal-bitrate>64000</nominal-bitrate>
                                <samplerate>44100</samplerate>
                                <channels>2</channels>
                        </encode>

            <!-- stereo->mono downmixing, enabled by setting this to 1 -->
            <downmix>1</downmix>

            <!-- resampling. Set to the frequency (in Hz) you wish to resample
                 to, or 0 to disable -->

            <resample>
                <in-rate>44100</in-rate>
                <out-rate>22050</out-rate>
            </resample>
                </instance>

        </stream>
</ices>

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From max_teneur at yahoo.fr  Wed Aug 13 15:31:33 2003
From: max_teneur at yahoo.fr (Teneur MAxime)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 17:31:33 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [icecast] icecast && buffering
Message-ID: <20030813153133.79285.qmail@web80605.mail.yahoo.com>



hi;

i have some questions about icecast and buffering...

in fact, when i starts icecast for the first time, i
have seen that memory used was above 2588.
When i start ices, memory of icecast grows up =>no
problemo. 

But when , a few time later (ices is off), i look at
again the memory used by icecast, i can see 2736.
Then, after many starts of ices, icecast (ices is each
time off) used always 2736.
My conclusion was that icecast has a buffer, and that
this buffer can not be flushed, and was limited at
2736.
However, when i look at again memory used by icecast
when ices is running, memory is over 2736!!!

o my questions are:

-has icecast a limited buffer???
-how this limited buffer is flushed??
- i know that ices has a configurable buffer. is there
a configuration for the eventual icecasts buffer? 

<p>please, reply me!!!
 
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From bclark at bwkip.com  Wed Aug 13 19:51:04 2003
From: bclark at bwkip.com (bclark at bwkip.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 15:51:04 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [icecast] Build error
Message-ID: <4517.204.213.206.6.1060804264.squirrel@webmail.bwkip.com>



I am running Red Hat 9.  I ran the ./configure for libshout-2.0.  I get to
the checking ogg_sync_init in libogg... configure: error: not found, maybe
you need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH or /etc/ld.so.conf

I do have libogg.so.0 and libogg.so.0.4.0 in /usr/lib.  How do I get around
this error?

Brian

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From karl at xiph.org  Wed Aug 13 20:06:08 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 13 Aug 2003 21:06:08 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Build error
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On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 20:51, bclark at bwkip.com wrote:
> I am running Red Hat 9.  I ran the ./configure for libshout-2.0.  I get to
> the checking ogg_sync_init in libogg... configure: error: not found, maybe
> you need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH or /etc/ld.so.conf
> 
> I do have libogg.so.0 and libogg.so.0.4.0 in /usr/lib.  How do I get around
> this error?

try ldconfig first then configure.  If the problem is still there then
check over the config.log for the error and if nothing is apparent then
send the config.log to me.

karl.

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From bclark at bwkip.com  Wed Aug 13 20:52:55 2003
From: bclark at bwkip.com (bclark at bwkip.com)
Date: Wed, 13 Aug 2003 16:52:55 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [icecast] Build error
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There is a lot of glaring errors.  I attached the log file.

> On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 20:51, bclark at bwkip.com wrote:
>> I am running Red Hat 9.  I ran the ./configure for libshout-2.0.  I
>> get to the checking ogg_sync_init in libogg... configure: error: not
>> found, maybe you need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH or /etc/ld.so.conf
>>
>> I do have libogg.so.0 and libogg.so.0.4.0 in /usr/lib.  How do I get
>> around this error?
>
> try ldconfig first then configure.  If the problem is still there then
> check over the config.log for the error and if nothing is apparent then
> send the config.log to me.
>
> karl.
>
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From karl at xiph.org  Wed Aug 13 21:03:14 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 13 Aug 2003 22:03:14 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Build error
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On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 21:52, bclark at bwkip.com wrote:
> There is a lot of glaring errors.  I attached the log file.
> 
> > On Wed, 2003-08-13 at 20:51, bclark at bwkip.com wrote:
> >> I am running Red Hat 9.  I ran the ./configure for libshout-2.0.  I
> >> get to the checking ogg_sync_init in libogg... configure: error: not
> >> found, maybe you need to set LD_LIBRARY_PATH or /etc/ld.so.conf
> >>
> >> I do have libogg.so.0 and libogg.so.0.4.0 in /usr/lib.  How do I get
> >> around this error?
> >
> > try ldconfig first then configure.  If the problem is still there then
> > check over the config.log for the error and if nothing is apparent then
> > send the config.log to me.

try installing the devel packages for ogg and vorbis not just the
run-time libs.

karl.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Thu Aug 14 02:21:14 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:21:14 +1000
Subject: [icecast] ices2 - Unreasonable error?
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Message-ID: <200308141221.14617.msmith@xiph.org>



> well it's not so crucial now, the timer is BOS based not serial number
> change based.  The quirk to watch for is that serial numbers won't
> change on non-reencoded ogg streams from the playlist, and yes stream
> rewrite would resolve that aspect. Unless you're seeing something I'm
> not?
>

It IS crucial. Not doing it will cause an invalid ogg stream to be generated. 
Please revert your patch immediately.

Mike

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From ihoward at uwaterloo.ca  Thu Aug 14 16:28:21 2003
From: ihoward at uwaterloo.ca (Ian Howard)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 12:28:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [icecast] problems setting the sample rate with icecast2 and darkice
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0308141204570.16606-100000@dingo>



At present my stream is at 11.025 kHz and I want it to be at 44.1 kHz. 

Input is coming from line-in on my sound blaster card under linux (RH 9) using 
the sb driver. 

I presume that it is icecast that sets the sample rate on the dsp in the card, 
though when I change the settings in icecast.xml and darkice.cfg as show below 
the stream becomes choppy; or rather the sampling doesn't seem to change in 
icecast but only in darkice. i.e. icecast still feeds a 11kHz stream to darkice 
that is trying to stream at 44kHz.

Any ideas on this?

exerpts from my config are below.

Thanks!

Ian

<p>--snip--

darkice.cfg:
# this section describes the audio input that will be streamed
[input]
device          = /dev/dsp  # OSS DSP soundcard device for the audio input
sampleRate      = 44100     # sample rate in Hz. try 11025, 22050 or 44100
bitsPerSample   = 16        # bits per sample. try 16
channel         = 2         # channels. 1 = mono, 2 = stereo

icecast.xml:
   <encode>
        <samplerate>44100</samplerate>
        <channels>2</channels>
        <quality>10</quality>
        <!-- <minimum-bitrate>32000</minimum-bitrate>
         <maximum-bitrate>128000</maximum-bitrate>
        -->
    </encode>

...

     <module>oss</module>

        <param name="device">/dev/dsp</param>
        <param name="rate">44100</param>
        <param name="channels">2</param>
        <param name="metadata">1</param>
        <param name="metadatafilename">metadata_info</param>

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From valen_23 at yahoo.com  Thu Aug 14 16:29:35 2003
From: valen_23 at yahoo.com (D Sledge)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 09:29:35 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [icecast] problem installing Icecast
Message-ID: <20030814162935.27432.qmail@web13803.mail.yahoo.com>



I'm trying to install Icecast in my home directory using the method described in the following doc
under the heading "Customized compilation."

http://melmoth.dyndns.org/stream/doc/x145.html

However, when I run the autogen.sh script for ices, I get the following messages:

checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config
configure: /usr/bin/pkg-config couldn't find libshout. Try adjusting PKG_CONFIG_PATH
checking for shout-config... no
configure: error: must have libshout installed!

I've tried playing around with PKG_CONFIG_PATH, but I didn't make any headway.

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From darkeye at tyrell.hu  Thu Aug 14 16:34:45 2003
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 18:34:45 +0200
Subject: [icecast] problems setting the sample rate with icecast2 and darkice
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Ian Howard wrote:
> At present my stream is at 11.025 kHz and I want it to be at 44.1 kHz. 
> 
> Input is coming from line-in on my sound blaster card under linux (RH 9) using 
> the sb driver. 
> 
> I presume that it is icecast that sets the sample rate on the dsp in the card, 

no, it is darkice. icecast doesn't touch the sound card at all.

> though when I change the settings in icecast.xml and darkice.cfg as show below 
> the stream becomes choppy; or rather the sampling doesn't seem to change in 
> icecast but only in darkice. i.e. icecast still feeds a 11kHz stream to darkice 
> that is trying to stream at 44kHz.

hm, I'm not familiar with these settings in icecast. darkice samples and 
encodes at 44.1kHz when you tell it to. maybe you should ask this 
question on the icecast mailing list....

<p>Akos

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From karl at xiph.org  Thu Aug 14 16:52:50 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 14 Aug 2003 17:52:50 +0100
Subject: [icecast] problem installing Icecast
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On Thu, 2003-08-14 at 17:29, D Sledge wrote:
> I'm trying to install Icecast in my home directory using the method described in the following doc
> under the heading "Customized compilation."
> 
> http://melmoth.dyndns.org/stream/doc/x145.html
> 
> However, when I run the autogen.sh script for ices, I get the following messages:
> 
> checking for pkg-config... /usr/bin/pkg-config
> configure: /usr/bin/pkg-config couldn't find libshout. Try adjusting PKG_CONFIG_PATH
> checking for shout-config... no
> configure: error: must have libshout installed!
> 
> I've tried playing around with PKG_CONFIG_PATH, but I didn't make any headway.

If you installed libshout in a non-standard place with --prefix then you
need to tell the configure script where to find it, via PKG_CONFIG_PATH

Assuming libshout was built and installed with --prefix=/home/Sledge

then try

export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/home/Sledge/lib/pkgconfig

then re-run autogen.sh for ices

karl

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Fri Aug 15 00:06:15 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2003 10:06:15 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] problems setting the sample rate with icecast2 and darkice
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Hi:

I'm a bit confused.  The excerpt  you showed second was from an ices config
file, not an icecast one.  As has already been stated, icecast is just a
server and doesn't touch the soundcard.  Perhaps if you told us what you
are trying to do then we could help more.

BTW: The bit we really need to see from your darkice config is the icecast2
section where the encoding is done.  This might shed some more light on
your problem.

Geoff.

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From mark at linefeed.org  Fri Aug 15 03:13:46 2003
From: mark at linefeed.org (mark burdett)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 20:13:46 -0700
Subject: [icecast] icecast on freebsd?
Message-ID: <7B782106-CECE-11D7-8F00-0030654FD4CC@linefeed.org>



can anyone enlighten me how to make icecast2's autogen.sh work under 
freebsd 5.1?

> Checking for automake version
>
> You must have automake version 1.6 installed
> to compile ices.
> Download the appropriate package for your distribution,
> or get the source tarball at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/

i have /usr/local/bin/automake (1.5) and /usr/local/bin/automake17 
installed from ports.. do i really need 1.6?  i tried mucking around to 
point it to the correct auto* binaries, but no luck in the end.. maybe 
someone can tell me what to do?

--mark B.

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From arc at indymedia.org  Fri Aug 15 03:28:20 2003
From: arc at indymedia.org (Arc)
Date: Thu, 14 Aug 2003 23:28:20 -0400
Subject: [icecast] icecast on freebsd?
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On Thu, Aug 14, 2003 at 08:13:46PM -0700, mark burdett wrote:
> can anyone enlighten me how to make icecast2's autogen.sh work under 
> freebsd 5.1?
> 
> >Checking for automake version
> >
> >You must have automake version 1.6 installed
> >to compile ices.
> >Download the appropriate package for your distribution,
> >or get the source tarball at ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/
> 
> i have /usr/local/bin/automake (1.5) and /usr/local/bin/automake17 
> installed from ports.. do i really need 1.6?  i tried mucking around to 
> point it to the correct auto* binaries, but no luck in the end.. maybe 
> someone can tell me what to do?

Your best bet is to do what I do with berkman.indy, grab Brendan's
nightly snapshot where all that stuff has already been done for you:

 http://www.xiph.org/~brendan/

then just ./configure gmake gmake install

gmake = GNU Make, BSD make doesn't tend to work on non-BSD packages

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From carl at personnelware.com  Sun Aug 17 15:45:55 2003
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 10:45:55 -0500
Subject: [icecast] ices 0.3 seg fault
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> Please try a stable version of LAME. I don't really know what to do
> with this backtrace. It would also help immensely if you could
> reproduce the crash reliably (eg on the same song).

DEBUG: Using LAME version 3.93

(gdb) bt
#0  0x402b7585 in III_dequantize_sample () from /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0
#1  0x402d1200 in ispow () from /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0
Cannot access memory at address 0x1

It happened on song #618 (viagra in the water) but not if I make a play list of just that song.  It seems that it is the same song
that caused the error on July 30 (date of testplaylist.txt that contains that song.)  So it is somewhat reproducable.  I'm trying it
now with the last 10 songs that played before it.

incase it helps:

DEBUG: ID3v1: Title: viagra in the water.mp3
DEBUG: ID3v1: Artist:
DEBUG: Trimmed short frame (254 bytes missing) at offset 5607759
DEBUG: MPEG-2 LSF layer III, 128 kbps, 22050 Hz, mono
DEBUG: Ext: 0   Mode_Ext: 0     Copyright: 0    Original: 1
DEBUG: Error Protection: 0      Emphasis: 0     Padding: 1
Playing /home/carl/music/new/unchecked1/Napster/Music/Comedy/Four Bitchin' Babes - Viagra in the water.mp3
DEBUG: Updated metadata on /ices to: viagra in the water.mp3

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From carl at personnelware.com  Sun Aug 17 18:52:27 2003
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Sun, 17 Aug 2003 13:52:27 -0500
Subject: [icecast] ices 0.3 seg fault
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I can crash that app in 2 songs.  Here is 'everything' you need: http://dev.personnelware.com/carl/temp/icesfiles.tar (13M, 128k
connection, so give it a few min...)

Let me know if you need anything else.

Carl K

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<p>> > Please try a stable version of LAME. I don't really know what to do
> > with this backtrace. It would also help immensely if you could
> > reproduce the crash reliably (eg on the same song).
>
> DEBUG: Using LAME version 3.93
>
> (gdb) bt
> #0  0x402b7585 in III_dequantize_sample () from /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0
> #1  0x402d1200 in ispow () from /usr/local/lib/libmp3lame.so.0
> Cannot access memory at address 0x1
>
> It happened on song #618 (viagra in the water) but not if I make a play list of just that song.  It seems that it is the same song
> that caused the error on July 30 (date of testplaylist.txt that contains that song.)  So it is somewhat reproducable.  I'm trying
it
> now with the last 10 songs that played before it.
>
> incase it helps:
>
> DEBUG: ID3v1: Title: viagra in the water.mp3
> DEBUG: ID3v1: Artist:
> DEBUG: Trimmed short frame (254 bytes missing) at offset 5607759
> DEBUG: MPEG-2 LSF layer III, 128 kbps, 22050 Hz, mono
> DEBUG: Ext: 0   Mode_Ext: 0     Copyright: 0    Original: 1
> DEBUG: Error Protection: 0      Emphasis: 0     Padding: 1
> Playing /home/carl/music/new/unchecked1/Napster/Music/Comedy/Four Bitchin' Babes - Viagra in the water.mp3
> DEBUG: Updated metadata on /ices to: viagra in the water.mp3
>
> Carl K
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From ross at stationplaylist.com  Tue Aug 19 09:08:15 2003
From: ross at stationplaylist.com (Ross Levis)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 21:08:15 +1200
Subject: [icecast] Windows client
Message-ID: <004901c36631$6cc004e0$7d00a8c0@levis3>



Correct me if I'm wrong, but one thing still lacking in the Windows environment is software which can feed ogg files directly to IceCast2 without encoding.  This would be very handy for me right now.  Anyone working on anything?  An Ices2 for Windows would be ideal.

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From remco at rc6.org  Tue Aug 19 10:54:34 2003
From: remco at rc6.org (Remco B. Brink)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:54:34 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Windows client
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<quote who="Ross Levis">

> Correct me if I'm wrong, but one thing still lacking in the Windows
> environment is software which can feed ogg files directly to IceCast2
> without encoding.  This would be very handy for me right now.  Anyone
> working on anything?  An Ices2 for Windows would be ideal.

You *can* have Winamp play your OGG files and then let Oddcast take care
of the sending, but apart from that I can't think of a Windows way to
send OGG directly to an Ice2 server.

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From stefan at neufeind.net  Tue Aug 19 12:15:17 2003
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:15:17 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Windows client
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On 19 Aug 2003 at 12:54, Remco B. Brink wrote:

> <quote who="Ross Levis">
> 
> > Correct me if I'm wrong, but one thing still lacking in the Windows
> > environment is software which can feed ogg files directly to
> > IceCast2 without encoding.  This would be very handy for me right
> > now.  Anyone working on anything?  An Ices2 for Windows would be
> > ideal.
> 
> You *can* have Winamp play your OGG files and then let Oddcast take
> care of the sending, but apart from that I can't think of a Windows
> way to send OGG directly to an Ice2 server.

What's the problem with using WinAmp for this?!?

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From wdh at belbone.be  Tue Aug 19 12:22:35 2003
From: wdh at belbone.be (Wim)
Date: 19 Aug 2003 14:22:35 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Windows client
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On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 14:15, Stefan Neufeind wrote:

<...SNIP...>
> 
> What's the problem with using WinAmp for this?!?
> 
It runs on Windows ;-)

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From remco at rc6.org  Tue Aug 19 12:27:23 2003
From: remco at rc6.org (Remco B. Brink)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:27:23 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Windows client
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<quote who="Wim">

> On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 14:15, Stefan Neufeind wrote:
> 
> <...SNIP...>
> > 
> > What's the problem with using WinAmp for this?!?
> > 
> It runs on Windows ;-)

Ofcourse that's precisely what the OP wanted, just without Winamp ;-)

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From stefan at neufeind.net  Tue Aug 19 12:30:20 2003
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:30:20 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Windows client
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On 19 Aug 2003 at 14:22, Wim wrote:

> On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 14:15, Stefan Neufeind wrote:
> 
> <...SNIP...>
> > 
> > What's the problem with using WinAmp for this?!?
> > 
> It runs on Windows ;-)

The thread was basically about "a client for Windows". Under Linux 
you can use darkice, ices etc. Refer to the mailinglist-archives for 
looking up this whole thread from the beginning please :-)

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From stefan at neufeind.net  Tue Aug 19 12:32:06 2003
From: stefan at neufeind.net (Stefan Neufeind)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 14:32:06 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Windows client
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On 19 Aug 2003 at 14:27, Remco B. Brink wrote:

> <quote who="Wim">
> 
> > On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 14:15, Stefan Neufeind wrote:
> > 
> > <...SNIP...>
> > > 
> > > What's the problem with using WinAmp for this?!?
> > > 
> > It runs on Windows ;-)
> 
> Ofcourse that's precisely what the OP wanted, just without Winamp ;-)

Why no WinAmp? Hmm - you can also use any other program that directly 
sends data to the Oddcast-plugin. Afaik there are a few other auto-DJ-
tools out there that are capable of using WinAmp-API-plugins. But 
don't about these things. Hmm ... on the other hand ... having a 
playlist-program without de- and recompression (WinAmp) would surely 
be a nice solution.
Crazy thought: Can't you compile ices / darkice with Cygwin???

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From wdh at belbone.be  Tue Aug 19 12:55:14 2003
From: wdh at belbone.be (Wim)
Date: 19 Aug 2003 14:55:14 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Windows client
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On Tue, 2003-08-19 at 14:32, Stefan Neufeind wrote:
<...SNIP...>
> Crazy thought: Can't you compile ices / darkice with Cygwin???

maybe possible, never tried... I read mails (some time ago) about people
who succeeded in running the previous ices vesion under cygwin, although
they had problems. I believe there are traces in the mailing list
archives concerning this.

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Tue Aug 19 15:31:46 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 10:31:46 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Windows client (getting ices2 running under win32)
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At 02:15 PM 8/19/2003 +0200, you wrote:
>On 19 Aug 2003 at 12:54, Remco B. Brink wrote:
>
> > <quote who="Ross Levis">
> >
> > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but one thing still lacking in the Windows
> > > environment is software which can feed ogg files directly to
> > > IceCast2 without encoding.  This would be very handy for me right
> > > now.  Anyone working on anything?  An Ices2 for Windows would be
> > > ideal.
> >
> > You *can* have Winamp play your OGG files and then let Oddcast take
> > care of the sending, but apart from that I can't think of a Windows
> > way to send OGG directly to an Ice2 server.
>
>What's the problem with using WinAmp for this?!?
>
>   Stefan

I presume that Ross is wanting to send ogg vorbis files to icecast2 without 
reencoding.  This is a huge savings of processor time, and a very 
reasonable thing to do...

that being said, as far as I know Ices2 does not compile under win32.  I 
started looking into this and didn't get too far before being distracted 
with something else..The first step is to get libshout to compile under 
win32 (it doesn't at the moment).

libshout SHOULD run under win32, but it just has a few platform specific 
things that need to be ironed out.  Once, libshout is done, then ices2 can 
be ported.  The only thing that might be a problem is recording from live 
input.  This will need a chunk of win32 specific code, but it's not 
terribly complicated.

I, unfortunately, don't have the time to work on it now, but possibly in 
the future....

oddsock 

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From loloviolo at hotmail.com  Tue Aug 19 16:18:19 2003
From: loloviolo at hotmail.com (LoLoVioLo )
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 18:18:19 +0200
Subject: [icecast] error: Login failed
Message-ID: <008a01c3666d$80a85610$1000a8c0@Tablet>



Hi,
I am trying to make icecast2 run with ices 0.3 to stream a simple mp3
playlist.
I got the error message when starting ices :
Error during send: Mount failed on http://localhost:8000/sony.mp3, error
: Login failed
Thanks a lot
 
Here is my conf files :
http://loloviolo.free.fr/icecast.xml
http://loloviolo.free.fr/ices.xml
 
 

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From brendan at xiph.org  Tue Aug 19 16:27:32 2003
From: brendan at xiph.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:27:32 -0400
Subject: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] error: Login failed
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On Tuesday, 19 August 2003 at 18:18, LoLoVioLo  wrote:
> Hi,
> 
> I am trying to make icecast2 run with ices 0.3 to stream a simple mp3 playlist.
> 
> I got the error message when starting ices :
> 
> Error during send: Mount failed on http://localhost:8000/sony.mp3, error :
> Login failed
> 
> Thanks a lot
> 
>  
> 
> Here is my conf files :
> 
> http://loloviolo.free.fr/icecast.xml
> 
> http://loloviolo.free.fr/ices.xml

ices 0.3 doesn't know about user names, only passwords. So you could
remove or comment out the entire mount section in your icecast.xml.
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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Aug 19 18:14:21 2003
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 13:14:21 -0500
Subject: [icecast] nother ices 0.3 seg fault
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(gdb) bt
#0  0x401a04cf in memcpy () at memcpy:-1
#1  0x00001000 in ?? ()
Cannot access memory at address 0xb292

The log file doesn't show everthything that the screen does.  Is there an option to log all output?

Carl K

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From root at kezako.net  Tue Aug 19 10:25:08 2003
From: root at kezako.net (root)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 12:25:08 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Small tools to get ices and icecast from CVS and to build them
Message-ID: <E19p3fo-0000GV-00@Zantos>



Hello,
As it is quite boring to get and build ices and icecast from CVS, I made two
small shell scripts. In 5 minutes, you get only the needed files and build everything ... 

there are available here :
http://radio.stalig.com/icecast/BuildRadio.ksh
http://radio.stalig.com/icecast/GetRadioCVS.ksh

No support, no guarantee, no explanations.
Change the build script to set your installation prefix directory.

There are probably a bug in icecast configure script as the makefile is not compiling.
Imagine vorbis prefix directory is /usr/radio then the makefile misses
-L/usr/prefix/lib before the -lvorbis
(even if --vorbis-prefix=/usr/radio/ is set in configure).

to compile, run BuildRadio.ksh, then go to icecast/src directory
edit Makefile and add -L/usr/radio/lib before the two occurences of -lvorbis
then make install
and it's ok.

This problem exists since a few weeks.

Chris
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From ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz  Tue Aug 19 20:41:26 2003
From: ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz (Ross Levis)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:41:26 +1200
Subject: [icecast] Windows client
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Windows client>
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Stefan Neufeind wrote:
> Why no WinAmp?

Specifically because we will be creating hundreds of streams and would
like to reduce the number of PC's required.  We want to pre-encode files
to 32kb/s and send them directly to IceCast2 without re-encoding.  I'm
developing Windows software to create the playlists and would like to
manage the stream feed also in Windows, but I don't want to go down to
the level of actually writing a client myself.  I don't have the time or
ability to do that.

Regards,
Ross.
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From abhijit_deshpande at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 23:31:19 2003
From: abhijit_deshpande at yahoo.com (Abhijit Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:31:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [icecast] libshout2, ices0-3 and ices2 on Win32. Announce
Message-ID: <20030819233119.16462.qmail@web11605.mail.yahoo.com>



Hello..
I have libshout2, ices0-3 and ices2 compiling on Win32
with
MSVC++ 6.0.
However, I don't know where to upload the code and if
someone is kind enuff to point out the
location(s)/procedure
that would be great. I will put a readme in the distro

for compiling procedures. 

ices2 compiles but doesn't run correctly (yet). There
are
some issues related to parsing the ices-playlist.xml
file.
I will try and figure it out and post the code once
its done.

Actually I ran into a problem with ices0-3 and
mountpoint.
What the heck is a mount point vis-a-vis to ices0-3
and icecast
server? How do I implement it? Any ideas about this?
I am trying to stream MP3 from my PC to another pc on
the network
(client is WinAmp3)
Thanks much

Abhijit

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From ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz  Tue Aug 19 23:40:17 2003
From: ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz (Ross Levis)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:40:17 +1200
Subject: [icecast] libshout2, ices0-3 and ices2 on Win32. Announce
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Hi Abhijit

I can't answer your questions but I would be very interested in a fully
working binary of Ices2 for Win32 once it's ready.  Thanks for the
effort.

Best regards,
 
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Abhijit Deshpande wrote:
> Hello..
> I have libshout2, ices0-3 and ices2 compiling on Win32
> with
> MSVC++ 6.0.
> However, I don't know where to upload the code and if
> someone is kind enuff to point out the
> location(s)/procedure
> that would be great. I will put a readme in the distro
> 
> for compiling procedures. 
> 
> ices2 compiles but doesn't run correctly (yet). There
> are
> some issues related to parsing the ices-playlist.xml
> file.
> I will try and figure it out and post the code once
> its done.
> 
> Actually I ran into a problem with ices0-3 and
> mountpoint.
> What the heck is a mount point vis-a-vis to ices0-3
> and icecast
> server? How do I implement it? Any ideas about this?
> I am trying to stream MP3 from my PC to another pc on
> the network
> (client is WinAmp3)
> Thanks much
> 
> Abhijit
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From abhijit_deshpande at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 19 23:45:21 2003
From: abhijit_deshpande at yahoo.com (Abhijit Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 16:45:21 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [icecast] libshout2, ices0-3 and ices2 on Win32. Announce
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Hi Ross..
I can email you the sources (complete zip is about
5Mb..with all the dependency directories etc) and all
you have to hit is build after that. Would appreciate
help in getting it going. Let me know..
thanks
abhijit
--- Ross Levis <ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz> wrote:
> Hi Abhijit
> 
> I can't answer your questions but I would be very
> interested in a fully
> working binary of Ices2 for Win32 once it's ready. 
> Thanks for the
> effort.
> 
> Best regards,
>  
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> ====================================
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> software.
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> 
> Abhijit Deshpande wrote:
> > Hello..
> > I have libshout2, ices0-3 and ices2 compiling on
> Win32
> > with
> > MSVC++ 6.0.
> > However, I don't know where to upload the code and
> if
> > someone is kind enuff to point out the
> > location(s)/procedure
> > that would be great. I will put a readme in the
> distro
> > 
> > for compiling procedures. 
> > 
> > ices2 compiles but doesn't run correctly (yet).
> There
> > are
> > some issues related to parsing the
> ices-playlist.xml
> > file.
> > I will try and figure it out and post the code
> once
> > its done.
> > 
> > Actually I ran into a problem with ices0-3 and
> > mountpoint.
> > What the heck is a mount point vis-a-vis to
> ices0-3
> > and icecast
> > server? How do I implement it? Any ideas about
> this?
> > I am trying to stream MP3 from my PC to another pc
> on
> > the network
> > (client is WinAmp3)
> > Thanks much
> > 
> > Abhijit
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From gshang at uq.net.au  Tue Aug 19 23:55:35 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:55:35 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Re: [icecast-dev] error: Login failed
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On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Brendan Cully wrote:

> ices 0.3 doesn't know about user names, only passwords. So you could
> remove or comment out the entire mount section in your icecast.xml.

hmmm.  This seems to come up again and again.  I'dve have thought the
comments in the icecast config would be enough to avoid this, but
apparently not.  Anyone got any ideas?

Geoff.

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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Aug 20 01:06:37 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 11:06:37 +1000
Subject: [icecast] libshout2, ices0-3 and ices2 on Win32. Announce
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On Wednesday 20 August 2003 09:31, Abhijit Deshpande wrote:
> Hello..
> I have libshout2, ices0-3 and ices2 compiling on Win32
> with
> MSVC++ 6.0.
> However, I don't know where to upload the code and if
> someone is kind enuff to point out the
> location(s)/procedure
> that would be great. I will put a readme in the distro
>
> for compiling procedures.

Please send your patches to the icecast-dev mailing list. Unified diffs are 
strongly preferred.

Mike

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From abhijit_deshpande at yahoo.com  Wed Aug 20 06:38:40 2003
From: abhijit_deshpande at yahoo.com (Abhijit Deshpande)
Date: Tue, 19 Aug 2003 23:38:40 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [icecast] libshout2, ices0-3 and ices2 on Win32. Announce
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Well...since this is a port to Win32 patches may not
make sense. Pathnames to the required libraries are
relative, but hardcoded from the point of reference.
Without that, it will not build. 
Since there are lot more files (related to the IDE as
well as some project build settings which link to
libraries in Win32) which have no close equivalents in
the non-Win32 world. Hence can't do patches. 

How about creating Win32 subdirectories in the CVS
distro and stick in all the Win32 relevant files in
there? I have #ifdef'ed the Win32 specific stuff, so
it will not break earlier stuff. 
thanks
abhijit
--- Michael Smith <msmith at xiph.org> wrote:
> On Wednesday 20 August 2003 09:31, Abhijit Deshpande
> wrote:
> > Hello..
> > I have libshout2, ices0-3 and ices2 compiling on
> Win32
> > with
> > MSVC++ 6.0.
> > However, I don't know where to upload the code and
> if
> > someone is kind enuff to point out the
> > location(s)/procedure
> > that would be great. I will put a readme in the
> distro
> >
> > for compiling procedures.
> 
> Please send your patches to the icecast-dev mailing
> list. Unified diffs are 
> strongly preferred.
> 
> Mike
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From msmith at xiph.org  Wed Aug 20 07:04:44 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 17:04:44 +1000
Subject: [icecast] libshout2, ices0-3 and ices2 on Win32. Announce
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On Wednesday 20 August 2003 16:38, Abhijit Deshpande wrote:
> Well...since this is a port to Win32 patches may not
> make sense. Pathnames to the required libraries are
> relative, but hardcoded from the point of reference.
> Without that, it will not build.
> Since there are lot more files (related to the IDE as
> well as some project build settings which link to
> libraries in Win32) which have no close equivalents in
> the non-Win32 world. Hence can't do patches.
>
> How about creating Win32 subdirectories in the CVS
> distro and stick in all the Win32 relevant files in
> there? I have #ifdef'ed the Win32 specific stuff, so
> it will not break earlier stuff.
> thanks
> abhijit
>

Well, obviously for whole new files, the new files should be attached. So yes 
- for the project files, a win32 directory is fine.

I meant that changes to any existing code should be submitted as patches.

Mike

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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Wed Aug 20 13:34:12 2003
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 08:34:12 -0500
Subject: [icecast] libshout2, ices0-3 and ices2 on Win32. Announce
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At 11:38 PM 8/19/2003 -0700, you wrote:
>Well...since this is a port to Win32 patches may not
>make sense. Pathnames to the required libraries are
>relative, but hardcoded from the point of reference.
>Without that, it will not build.

Take a look at the icecast VC5 project files for examples.  For instance, 
here is an example located in the dsp project file for icecast :

# ADD CPP /nologo /MT /W3 /GX /O2 /I "../" /I "../../libxslt/include" /I 
"../../curl/include" /I "../../iconv/include" /I "../../libxml2/include" /I 
"../src" /I "../src/httpp" /I "../src/thread" /I "../src/log" /I 
"../src/avl" /I "../src/net" /I "../src/timings" /I "../../pthreads" /I 
"../../oggvorbis-win32sdk-1.0/include" /D "WIN32" /D "NDEBUG" /D "_MBCS" /D 
"_LIB" /D "HAVE_CURL" /D "USE_YP" /D "HAVE_SYS_STAT_H" /YX /FD /c

Try to use the same locations as icecast does if at all possible (i.e. 
../../libxml2/include, ../../libxml2/lib) as this will facilitate building 
and testing tremendously...

oddsock

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From groups at mediacast1.com  Wed Aug 20 18:53:51 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 12:53:51 -0600
Subject: [icecast] libshout2, ices0-3 and ices2 on Win32. Announce
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I would also be itnerested in getting the source for that as well.
you can email it to admin at mediacast1.com

Dave St John
CEO Mediacast1
www.mediacast1.com - Got Bandwidth?
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<p>> Hi Ross..
> I can email you the sources (complete zip is about
> 5Mb..with all the dependency directories etc) and all
> you have to hit is build after that. Would appreciate
> help in getting it going. Let me know..
> thanks
> abhijit
> --- Ross Levis <ross.levis at cchlawbase.co.nz> wrote:
> > Hi Abhijit
> >
> > I can't answer your questions but I would be very
> > interested in a fully
> > working binary of Ices2 for Win32 once it's ready.
> > Thanks for the
> > effort.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > Ross Levis
> > ====================================
> > StationPlaylist.com
> > http://www.stationplaylist.com
> > Low-cost music scheduling, live assist & automation
> > software.
> > ====================================
> >
> > Abhijit Deshpande wrote:
> > > Hello..
> > > I have libshout2, ices0-3 and ices2 compiling on
> > Win32
> > > with
> > > MSVC++ 6.0.
> > > However, I don't know where to upload the code and
> > if
> > > someone is kind enuff to point out the
> > > location(s)/procedure
> > > that would be great. I will put a readme in the
> > distro
> > >
> > > for compiling procedures.
> > >
> > > ices2 compiles but doesn't run correctly (yet).
> > There
> > > are
> > > some issues related to parsing the
> > ices-playlist.xml
> > > file.
> > > I will try and figure it out and post the code
> > once
> > > its done.
> > >
> > > Actually I ran into a problem with ices0-3 and
> > > mountpoint.
> > > What the heck is a mount point vis-a-vis to
> > ices0-3
> > > and icecast
> > > server? How do I implement it? Any ideas about
> > this?
> > > I am trying to stream MP3 from my PC to another pc
> > on
> > > the network
> > > (client is WinAmp3)
> > > Thanks much
> > >
> > > Abhijit
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From adam at physco.com  Thu Aug 21 06:41:30 2003
From: adam at physco.com (Adam D. Ligas)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 02:41:30 -0400
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 and TiVo
Message-ID: <1061448090.3f44699a568f3@webmail.dsl.net>



Hey guys,

As some of you may or may not know, TiVo recently came out with an optional 
software package for their Series2 TiVo units.  They call it "Home Media 
Option" and, among other things, it lets you play mp3s on your TiVo.

So, some clever folks figure out that if you fed your TiVo and m3u playlist 
that pointed to an Internet stream, it would play that stream for you.  Very 
nifty.

So I decided to take it one step further.  I installed a radio card and sound 
card into my server.  The radio card goes into my sound card, and DarkIce 
grabs that data and sends it to an Icecast2 server (I installed from the 
nightly snapshop on 8-16-2003).  Additionally, I wrote some PHP that runs a 
command line tuner and changes the station based on the "playlist" you pick.  
Now I can get local radio on my TiVo :).

When I connect to the Iceast2 stream with Winamp, all is well.  It works 
perfectly.  However, when I connect to it with the TiVo, I get a different 
response.  The TiVo "play" icon flashes back and forth from Green to Yellow 
rapidly.  This never stops.

I thought this might of had something to do with how the streaming works on 
TiVo's side, so I decided to connect to another stream with the same bitrate 
over the Internet.  The TiVo connects and plays fine - no flashing "play" 
icon.  I thought this was odd because my local lan is way faster then my 
internet conenction, so for it to work online and not locally seemed really 
strange.

TiVo doesn't really define what the "yellow" icon means.  As best I can tell, 
from playing other mp3s and streams, it means the TiVo is buffering, waiting 
for data from the network, or the stream has stopped.

Even more odd is that even with the flashing "play" icon, the TiVo is playing 
the stream perfectly fine.  The sound is coming out without a skip or anything.

Why I am trying to fix it when it works, you might ask, is because as long as 
that icon is flashing the "play" bar won't go away.  Meaning if I left it on 
for long periods of time it would burn into my screen.  Needless to say, that 
would suck.

I thought this might have been a simple buffer sort of thing - maybe I could 
just increase the buffer for the stream on the Icecast2 server - but I didn't 
see anything in the icecast.xml file, nor could I find any information on it 
online anywhere.

So, I'm stumped.  Does anyone have any idea what is going on, or have some 
things I could try?  I would really love to get this working, and then 
eventually get it out there for others to use once I polish it up and document 
everything.

Thanks a lot for any assistance you can provide - I really appreciate it.

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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Aug 21 15:06:10 2003
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 10:06:10 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 and TiVo
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> Why I am trying to fix it when it works, you might ask, is because as long as
> that icon is flashing the "play" bar won't go away.  Meaning if I left it on
> for long periods of time it would burn into my screen.  Needless to say, that
> would suck.

If that is the only reason, you may want to verify that burn in may occur.  I think that may have only applied to monochrome
monitors, and maybe early cga.  I seem to remember that screen savers were just eye candy.

OTOH, I don't like weirdness like you found.  If there is a bug, it is posible that it is more than just causinig your tivo icon to
flash, so I am all for rooting it out.

Carl K

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From adam at physco.com  Thu Aug 21 18:12:04 2003
From: adam at physco.com (Adam D. Ligas)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 14:12:04 -0400
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 and TiVo
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> If that is the only reason, you may want to verify that burn in may occur.  I
> think that may have only applied to monochrome
> monitors, and maybe early cga.  I seem to remember that screen savers were
> just eye candy.

In this particular case, burn-in will most certainly occur.  TiVo is connected 
to televisions, and big screen TVs are very susceptible to burn in because of 
how hard the CRTs are driven to produce a large picture.  There are tons of 
horror stories on the 'net about it from people who left them on news channels 
for days after 9/11, or watched 4:3 material unstretched on a 16:9 screen for 
long periods of time.

On PCs though, you are correct, burn in is pretty much eliminated these days.  
I have seen it still happen on modern screens, but you've really got to work 
at it :).
 
> OTOH, I don't like weirdness like you found.  If there is a bug, it is
> posible that it is more than just causinig your tivo icon to
> flash, so I am all for rooting it out.

I agree.  I would really like to root this out as well, but I have no idea 
where to start.  There isn't much documentation around, and I couldn't find 
anything in the icecast.xml configuration file that seemed to fit.  As soon as 
we come up with some things to try, I'll have at them.

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From carl at personnelware.com  Thu Aug 21 20:29:54 2003
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 15:29:54 -0500
Subject: OT: burn-in Was: [icecast] Icecast2 and TiVo
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> In this particular case, burn-in will most certainly occur.  TiVo is connected 
> to televisions, and big screen TVs are very susceptible to burn in because of 
> how hard the CRTs are driven to produce a large picture.  There are tons of 
> horror stories on the 'net about it from people who left them on news channels 
> for days after 9/11, or watched 4:3 material unstretched on a 16:9 screen for 
> long periods of time.
> 
> On PCs though, you are correct, burn in is pretty much eliminated these days.  
> I have seen it still happen on modern screens, but you've really got to work 
> at it :).

<p>Good to know.  I sit corrected.

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From drew at drewb.com  Fri Aug 22 17:22:13 2003
From: drew at drewb.com (Drew Bertola)
Date: 22 Aug 2003 10:22:13 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Newbie questions: icecast streaming live radio...
Message-ID: <1061572932.12987.16.camel@champ.serialhacker.net>



Hey all,

I'm a newbie to icecast and to streaming in general.  I have gotten as
far as downloading and compiling the icecast2, ices, and required
libraries.  

I have started to configure icecast and ices and I can point a browser
to my icecast server, but then I get stuck.  So, this all leads me to
some questions that I can't answer myself from the available HowTo, FAQ,
or man pages.  

The first question is theoretical.  What is the difference between
icecast and ices?

Also, how do the conf files for icecast and ices work together?  I
imagine that this will be more clear after understanding the first
question.

I'd like to support 100 connections for a talk radio stream.  What can I
expect for bandwidth requirements?

Thanks,

--
Drew 

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From kerry.cox at ksl.com  Fri Aug 22 18:49:12 2003
From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 22 Aug 2003 12:49:12 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Newbie questions: icecast streaming live radio...
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Message-ID: <1061578152.5893.25.camel@quasi.ksl.com>



Drew,
I am currently hosting a talk radio station myself using both icecast1
and icecast2. I have restricted both the number of users and have
throttled the bandwidth requirements since anything over 250-300 users
usually exceeds 10 megabits.
I have a simple HowTo up on my page for setting up both.
http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/. You are more than welcome to take a look
to see how the config files work adn how you can customize them.
Feel fre to drop me a line if you have any extra questions.
Sorry I did not answer all your questions. It's been awhile since I
played with icecast. Once you have it up and running, you can pretty
much forget it since it keeps working.
KJ

On Fri, 2003-08-22 at 11:22, Drew Bertola wrote:
> Hey all,
> 
> I'm a newbie to icecast and to streaming in general.  I have gotten as
> far as downloading and compiling the icecast2, ices, and required
> libraries.  
> 
> I have started to configure icecast and ices and I can point a browser
> to my icecast server, but then I get stuck.  So, this all leads me to
> some questions that I can't answer myself from the available HowTo, FAQ,
> or man pages.  
> 
> The first question is theoretical.  What is the difference between
> icecast and ices?
> 
> Also, how do the conf files for icecast and ices work together?  I
> imagine that this will be more clear after understanding the first
> question.
> 
> I'd like to support 100 connections for a talk radio stream.  What can I
> expect for bandwidth requirements?
> 
> Thanks,
> --
> Drew 
> 
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From drew at drewb.com  Sat Aug 23 03:03:13 2003
From: drew at drewb.com (Drew Bertola)
Date: 22 Aug 2003 20:03:13 -0700
Subject: [icecast] [Fwd: Icecast2 and ices]
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I got this offlist from someone on the list.  This is abuse and should
be punished.  This didn't anwser my post and was directed to me off-list
without invitation.  All it was was a promotion.

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From: Dave St John <groups at mediacast1.com>
To: drew at drewb.com
Subject: Icecast2 and ices
Date: 22 Aug 2003 19:22:17 -0600

Hello Drew,
saw your post on the xiph list and thought id email you offlist.

We are currently the only competent host provider for icecast2 servers.
take a look at our pricing http://mediacast1.com/icecast2.php

If you need more bandwidth capacity, we can take care of those needs for you.
Let me know if you have any questions.

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From kevinp at kplug.org  Sun Aug 24 21:49:41 2003
From: kevinp at kplug.org (W. Kevin Pedigo)
Date: 24 Aug 2003 21:49:41 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Transition to IceCast 2
Message-ID: <1061761781.17846.295.camel@yeti.erebus.pri>



I'm trying to migrate to icecast2 from 1.3.12, and having a bit of
trouble with the admin interface.

I have a need to programmatically control icecast, including dumping the
stream to a file, among other things.

Under the old icecast, it was relatively easy to open a socket to port
8000 on the icecast server and programmatically interact with the admin
console.

I can't seem to get it to work with icecast2...Can't seem to use telnet
to log onto the admin interface either....  Are there more docs out
there somewhere than I got with icecast-2.0-alpha-20030804, can the list
help me, or am I just going to have to go source-code diving?

Thanks in advance

kevin

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From msmith at xiph.org  Mon Aug 25 00:45:32 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 10:45:32 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Transition to IceCast 2
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On Monday 25 August 2003 07:49, W. Kevin Pedigo wrote:
> I'm trying to migrate to icecast2 from 1.3.12, and having a bit of
> trouble with the admin interface.
>
> I have a need to programmatically control icecast, including dumping the
> stream to a file, among other things.
>
> Under the old icecast, it was relatively easy to open a socket to port
> 8000 on the icecast server and programmatically interact with the admin
> console.
>
> I can't seem to get it to work with icecast2...Can't seem to use telnet
> to log onto the admin interface either....  Are there more docs out
> there somewhere than I got with icecast-2.0-alpha-20030804, can the list
> help me, or am I just going to have to go source-code diving?
>

The admin interface in icecast2 is web-based. As such, it's somewhat 
self-documenting (because the pages are all pretty clear), but there are 
places that aren't obvious, and there is no documentation of the admin 
interface at the moment.

You should be able to use this web interface programmatically, though.

Mike

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From stefb at wizzz.net  Mon Aug 25 14:34:40 2003
From: stefb at wizzz.net (Stephane Benoit)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 16:34:40 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Ices-0.3 and ogg
Message-ID: <200308251634.40157.stefb@wizzz.net>



Hello,

Is it possible to stream into ogg from ices-0.3 ?

I'm running a radio with icecast2 and ices-0.3 in mp3, and i use 
streamTranscoder for the ogg stream. But i'd like to do everything with ices.
Is it possible ?

TIA
Stephane.

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From groups at mediacast1.com  Mon Aug 25 21:10:32 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:10:32 -0600
Subject: [icecast] [Fwd: Icecast2 and ices]
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Sorry for trying to help.

<p>Dave St John
CEO Mediacast1
www.mediacast1.com - Got Bandwidth?
(720) 641-7586
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Drew Bertola" <drew at drewb.com>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 9:03 PM
Subject: [icecast] [Fwd: Icecast2 and ices]

<p>> I got this offlist from someone on the list.  This is abuse and should
> be punished.  This didn't anwser my post and was directed to me off-list
> without invitation.  All it was was a promotion.
>
> -----Forwarded Message-----
>
> From: Dave St John <groups at mediacast1.com>
> To: drew at drewb.com
> Subject: Icecast2 and ices
> Date: 22 Aug 2003 19:22:17 -0600
>
> Hello Drew,
> saw your post on the xiph list and thought id email you offlist.
>
> We are currently the only competent host provider for icecast2 servers.
> take a look at our pricing http://mediacast1.com/icecast2.php
>
> If you need more bandwidth capacity, we can take care of those needs for
you.
> Let me know if you have any questions.
>
>
>
> Dave St John
> CEO Mediacast1
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> (720) 641-7586
> -- 
> Drew Bertola <drew at drewb.com>
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From groups at mediacast1.com  Mon Aug 25 23:28:36 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 17:28:36 -0600
Subject: [icecast] [Fwd: Icecast2 and ices]
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Further more, the reason i emailed you offlist was to be discreet.
When you ask this type of question,
>I'd like to support 100 connections for a talk radio stream. What can I
>expect for bandwidth requirements?
Im going to offer our services to anyone in the world regardless.
We specialize in maximizing bandwidth for webcasters who need it for
icecast2 and other various formats.

I can see the punishment if i sent out emails (spammed) a million
webcasters, but in regards to your specific question
i figured our company could help you meet the requirements for your
bandwidth needs.
100 concurrent listeners is alot of bandwidth, check out our bandwidth
calculator at
http://www.casterclub.com/bw_calc.php?universal=avail_bwidth

Once again i/we apologize for invading anything you may have felt was
invaded, it is a maling list
and we are all on this to either
A.) Help, direct, teach.
B.) Gain knowledge and learn.
C.) Gather developement info.

<p><p>Dave St John
CEO Mediacast1
www.mediacast1.com - Got Bandwidth?
(720) 641-7586
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From: "Dave St John" <groups at mediacast1.com>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 3:10 PM
Subject: Re: [icecast] [Fwd: Icecast2 and ices]

<p>> Sorry for trying to help.
>
>
> Dave St John
> CEO Mediacast1
> www.mediacast1.com - Got Bandwidth?
> (720) 641-7586
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Drew Bertola" <drew at drewb.com>
> To: <icecast at xiph.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 22, 2003 9:03 PM
> Subject: [icecast] [Fwd: Icecast2 and ices]
>
>
> > I got this offlist from someone on the list.  This is abuse and should
> > be punished.  This didn't anwser my post and was directed to me off-list
> > without invitation.  All it was was a promotion.
> >
> > -----Forwarded Message-----
> >
> > From: Dave St John <groups at mediacast1.com>
> > To: drew at drewb.com
> > Subject: Icecast2 and ices
> > Date: 22 Aug 2003 19:22:17 -0600
> >
> > Hello Drew,
> > saw your post on the xiph list and thought id email you offlist.
> >
> > We are currently the only competent host provider for icecast2 servers.
> > take a look at our pricing http://mediacast1.com/icecast2.php
> >
> > If you need more bandwidth capacity, we can take care of those needs for
> you.
> > Let me know if you have any questions.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave St John
> > CEO Mediacast1
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> > (720) 641-7586
> > -- 
> > Drew Bertola <drew at drewb.com>
> >
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From drew at drewb.com  Mon Aug 25 23:45:22 2003
From: drew at drewb.com (Drew Bertola)
Date: 25 Aug 2003 16:45:22 -0700
Subject: [icecast] [Fwd: Icecast2 and ices]
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On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 14:10, Dave St John wrote:
> Sorry for trying to help.

You tried to sell me a solution, not assist me in working out my own.  I
don't think that's what this list was intended for.  I and most others
would shy away from a list where this type of abuse is tolerated.  As it
is, the traffic is eerily quiet.  Next thing you'd know, only you would
be left.

> 
> 
> > I got this offlist from someone on the list.  This is abuse and should
> > be punished.  This didn't anwser my post and was directed to me off-list
> > without invitation.  All it was was a promotion.
> >
> > -----Forwarded Message-----
> >
> > From: Dave St John <groups at mediacast1.com>
> > To: drew at drewb.com
> > Subject: Icecast2 and ices
> > Date: 22 Aug 2003 19:22:17 -0600
> >
> > Hello Drew,
> > saw your post on the xiph list and thought id email you offlist.
> >
> > We are currently the only competent host provider for icecast2 servers.
> > take a look at our pricing http://mediacast1.com/icecast2.php
> >
> > If you need more bandwidth capacity, we can take care of those needs for
> you.
> > Let me know if you have any questions.
> >
> >
> >
> > Dave St John
> > CEO Mediacast1
> > www.mediacast1.com - Got Bandwidth?
> > (720) 641-7586
> > -- 
> > Drew Bertola <drew at drewb.com>
> >
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From kevinp at kplug.org  Tue Aug 26 00:04:41 2003
From: kevinp at kplug.org (W. Kevin Pedigo)
Date: 26 Aug 2003 00:04:41 +0000
Subject: [icecast] [Fwd: Icecast2 and ices]
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On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 23:45, Drew Bertola wrote:
> On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 14:10, Dave St John wrote:
> > Sorry for trying to help.
> 
> You tried to sell me a solution, not assist me in working out my own. 

Oh... let it go, guys.  
You have a problem, he has a solution.  
He shouldn't have contacted you offlist.  Granted.  
We all agree with you.  It's poor netiquette to privately use list
addresses for commercial purposes.  We know that, and now he does, too. 
We collectively slap his wrists.

But if your problem is serving more bandwidth than you've got, you gotta
serve less (narrower or fewer streams) or get more bandwidth.  It's that
simple.  Tell us what you want to do about it, and we'll try to help.

But /dev/null the argument, huh?  It's not productive.

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From drew at drewb.com  Tue Aug 26 00:24:56 2003
From: drew at drewb.com (Drew Bertola)
Date: 25 Aug 2003 17:24:56 -0700
Subject: [icecast] [Fwd: Icecast2 and ices]
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On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 17:04, W. Kevin Pedigo wrote:
> But if your problem is serving more bandwidth than you've got, you gotta
> serve less (narrower or fewer streams) or get more bandwidth.  It's that
> simple.  Tell us what you want to do about it, and we'll try to help.

OK.  I've gotten everything running with one problem.  I'd like to
downsample a live stream.  It's talk, and I'd like to squeeze 200
connections into a 5Mbps pipe.  I'm currently able to do a 24K mono
stream, but 11K would do the trick.  I've seen references to
<downsample>, but can't find any hard documentation on it (other than a
couple sample configs and a statement about how it might not work with
live streams).  Any tips?


-- 
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From stefb at wizzz.net  Tue Aug 26 00:42:08 2003
From: stefb at wizzz.net (Stephane Benoit)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 02:42:08 +0200
Subject: [icecast] [Fwd: Icecast2 and ices]
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Maybe you should consider another codec for speech such as speex or gsm
then you could even go as low as 9.6 or even 4.8kb/s.

<p>Le Mardi 26 Ao?t 2003 02:24, Drew Bertola a ?crit :
> On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 17:04, W. Kevin Pedigo wrote:
> > But if your problem is serving more bandwidth than you've got, you gotta
> > serve less (narrower or fewer streams) or get more bandwidth.  It's that
> > simple.  Tell us what you want to do about it, and we'll try to help.
>
> OK.  I've gotten everything running with one problem.  I'd like to
> downsample a live stream.  It's talk, and I'd like to squeeze 200
> connections into a 5Mbps pipe.  I'm currently able to do a 24K mono
> stream, but 11K would do the trick.  I've seen references to
> <downsample>, but can't find any hard documentation on it (other than a
> couple sample configs and a statement about how it might not work with
> live streams).  Any tips?

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From msmith at xiph.org  Tue Aug 26 01:28:50 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:28:50 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Ices-0.3 and ogg
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On Tuesday 26 August 2003 00:34, Stephane Benoit wrote:
> Hello,
>
> Is it possible to stream into ogg from ices-0.3 ?
>
> I'm running a radio with icecast2 and ices-0.3 in mp3, and i use
> streamTranscoder for the ogg stream. But i'd like to do everything with
> ices. Is it possible ?
>

You can use ices2 for ogg streaming. Running ices 0.3 and ices2 at the same 
time shouldn't present any problems - though obviously, you'll need to 
install them into different directories, or give the executables different 
names.

Mike

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From groups at mediacast1.com  Tue Aug 26 01:47:43 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:47:43 -0600
Subject: [icecast] [Fwd: Icecast2 and ices]
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agreed
horse is dead why kill it more
/dev/null/

<p><p>Dave St John
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Sent: Monday, August 25, 2003 6:04 PM
Subject: Re: [icecast] [Fwd: Icecast2 and ices]

<p>> On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 23:45, Drew Bertola wrote:
> > On Mon, 2003-08-25 at 14:10, Dave St John wrote:
> > > Sorry for trying to help.
> >
> > You tried to sell me a solution, not assist me in working out my own.
>
> Oh... let it go, guys.
> You have a problem, he has a solution.
> He shouldn't have contacted you offlist.  Granted.
> We all agree with you.  It's poor netiquette to privately use list
> addresses for commercial purposes.  We know that, and now he does, too.
> We collectively slap his wrists.
>
> But if your problem is serving more bandwidth than you've got, you gotta
> serve less (narrower or fewer streams) or get more bandwidth.  It's that
> simple.  Tell us what you want to do about it, and we'll try to help.
>
> But /dev/null the argument, huh?  It's not productive.
>
>
>
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From stefb at wizzz.net  Tue Aug 26 07:44:15 2003
From: stefb at wizzz.net (Stephane Benoit)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:44:15 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Ices-0.3 and ogg
In-Reply-To: <200308261128.50737.msmith@xiph.org>
Message-ID: <200308260944.15850.stefb@wizzz.net>



Of course i know about ices2 but :
- I want the same music at the same time on all streams
- I have a perl module for ices-0.3 to do the playlist

Le Mardi 26 Ao?t 2003 03:28, Michael Smith a ?crit :
> On Tuesday 26 August 2003 00:34, Stephane Benoit wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > Is it possible to stream into ogg from ices-0.3 ?
> >
> > I'm running a radio with icecast2 and ices-0.3 in mp3, and i use
> > streamTranscoder for the ogg stream. But i'd like to do everything with
> > ices. Is it possible ?
>
> You can use ices2 for ogg streaming. Running ices 0.3 and ices2 at the same
> time shouldn't present any problems - though obviously, you'll need to
> install them into different directories, or give the executables different
> names.

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Tue Aug 26 13:32:51 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 23:32:51 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] [Fwd: Icecast2 and ices]
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2003, Drew Bertola wrote:

> OK.  I've gotten everything running with one problem.  I'd like to
> downsample a live stream.  It's talk, and I'd like to squeeze 200
> connections into a 5Mbps pipe.  I'm currently able to do a 24K mono
> stream, but 11K would do the trick.  I've seen references to
> <downsample>, but can't find any hard documentation on it (other than a
> couple sample configs and a statement about how it might not work with
> live streams).  Any tips?

The sample configs really eed work.  Having said that, the ices-live.xml
should show you how to do this.  You could of course get the hardware to
capture at 11khz, assuming it can (most can). But if not, try something
like this:

                        <encode>
                                <quality>-1</quality>
                                <samplerate>22050</samplerate>
                                <channels>1</channels>
                        </encode>

            <!-- stereo->mono downmixing, enabled by setting this to 1 -->
            <downmix>1</downmix>

            <resample>
                <in-rate>44100</in-rate>
                <out-rate>22050</out-rate>
            </resample>

That's taken from a config I use, so obviously change it for your needs.
Actually, 22khz at quality -1 will probably fit your bandwidth
requirements, but if you want to go with 11khz, I'd suggest using a higher
quality value than -1.  Experiment and see what you end up with.

Geoff.

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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Aug 26 14:00:03 2003
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:00:03 -0500
Subject: [icecast] .conf for 2nd streem
Message-ID: <11c001c36bda$597331b0$0a01a8c0@cnt496>



I'm pretty sure it was in the default ices.conf, but I guess I deleted it.

How do I setup a 2nd stream?  The first plays at 24k, I want same audio for a box on the local lan, so bandwidth is not an issue;
so either don't decode/reencode or re-encode at 300+K, or whatever the highest is.

Carl K
 http://www.personnelware.com/carl/resume.html

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From remco at rc6.org  Tue Aug 26 14:17:34 2003
From: remco at rc6.org (Remco B. Brink)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:17:34 +0200
Subject: [icecast] .conf for 2nd streem
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<quote who="Carl Karsten">

> I'm pretty sure it was in the default ices.conf, but I guess I deleted
> it.

Then download the tarball again, the default ices.conf should be in
there.
 
> How do I setup a 2nd stream?

Be more specific.

Do you want your ices to stream to 2 different Icecast (1? 2?) servers
or do you want your Icecast (1? 2?) to offer two streams?

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From remco at rc6.org  Tue Aug 26 14:18:46 2003
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Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 16:18:46 +0200
Subject: [icecast] .conf for 2nd streem
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<quote who="Carl Karsten">

> I'm pretty sure it was in the default ices.conf, but I guess I deleted
> it.

Then download the tarball again, the default ices.conf should be in
there.
 
> How do I setup a 2nd stream?

Be more specific.

Do you want your ices to stream to 2 different Icecast (1? 2?) servers
or do you want your Icecast (1? 2?) to offer two streams?

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Tue Aug 26 14:44:00 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 00:44:00 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] .conf for 2nd streem
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Hi:

You just create a second instance with the new mountpoint/server stuff and
leave out the re-encoding stuff.  So something like this:

                <instance>
                        <hostname>your.second.server</hostname>
                        <port>8000</port>
                        <password>thepassword</password>
                        <mount>/desiredmountpoint.ogg</mount>
                </instance>

Just tack this after your first <instance></instance> section, editing as
needed, and this should work just fine.

Geoff.

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From carl at personnelware.com  Tue Aug 26 16:01:46 2003
From: carl at personnelware.com (Carl Karsten)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 11:01:46 -0500
Subject: [icecast] .conf for 2nd streem
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> 
> > I'm pretty sure it was in the default ices.conf, but I guess I deleted
> > it.
> 
> Then download the tarball again, the default ices.conf should be in
> there.

Hmm, did that - don't see a 2nd streem.  Maybe I am thinking of ices2.

>  
> > How do I setup a 2nd stream?
> 
> Do you want your ices to stream to 2 different Icecast (1? 2?) servers
> or do you want your Icecast (1? 2?) to offer two streams?

1 server, 2 streams.

thanks, 
Carl K

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From valen_23 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 26 16:33:19 2003
From: valen_23 at yahoo.com (D Sledge)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 09:33:19 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [icecast] Why can't I login to cvs?
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Using the following command

cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot login

and anoncvs as the password, I get the following response

cvs [login aborted]: connect to xiph.org(198.136.36.245):2401 failed: Connection refused

can anyone clue me in?

D Sledge

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From volsung at mailsnare.net  Tue Aug 26 16:44:42 2003
From: volsung at mailsnare.net (Stan Seibert)
Date: 26 Aug 2003 11:44:42 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Why can't I login to cvs?
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I had this problem earlier, and it was because of a CVS
incompatibility.  CVS version 1.11.2 didn't work, but 1.11.5 and 1.12.x
worked.


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<p>On Tue, 2003-08-26 at 11:33, D Sledge wrote:
> Using the following command
> 
> cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot login
> 
> and anoncvs as the password, I get the following response
> 
> cvs [login aborted]: connect to xiph.org(198.136.36.245):2401 failed: Connection refused
> 
> can anyone clue me in?
> 
> D Sledge
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From valen_23 at yahoo.com  Tue Aug 26 17:37:09 2003
From: valen_23 at yahoo.com (D Sledge)
Date: Tue, 26 Aug 2003 10:37:09 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [icecast] Why can't I login to cvs?
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How recent is this development?  Before today I was able to login using v1.11.2, and I just tried
using v1.11.5 and that didn't work either.

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> worked.
> 
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From pdl at sindominio.net  Wed Aug 27 11:29:25 2003
From: pdl at sindominio.net (pdl at sindominio.net)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:29:25 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [icecast] encrypted passwords in Icecast 2
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hello !
I've just installed the debian package icecast2 (I have the icecast 1.3.12
before) and I have a doubt about the passwords. In the icecast 1.3.* we
should use the mkpasswd for our pass and put the crypted output to
icecast.conf file.

Isn't possible in the icecast.xml file?? (perhaps is not necessaty, I
don't know). If this is so, can I change the permissions to this file to
something like 660 ?

Need the icecast user to read this file?

ok, thanks for all.

regards,

pau.

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From remco at rc6.org  Wed Aug 27 11:39:40 2003
From: remco at rc6.org (Remco B. Brink)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 13:39:40 +0200
Subject: [icecast] encrypted passwords in Icecast 2
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<quote who="pdl at sindominio.net">

> [... encrypted passwords in icecast.xml ...]
> 
> Isn't possible in the icecast.xml file?? (perhaps is not necessaty, I
> don't know). 

As far as I know, the icecast.xml file only supports passwords in
clear-text.

> If this is so, can I change the permissions to this file to something
> like 660? Need the icecast user to read this file?

The only user that needs to read the icecast.xml file is the user under
which the Icecast2 process runs.

If you chown the icecast.xml file to the user that runs the Icecast2
process, then you can change the permissions to 600 if you want.

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From minus273point16c at fastmail.fm  Wed Aug 27 21:21:25 2003
From: minus273point16c at fastmail.fm (Luke Stodola)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 16:21:25 -0500
Subject: [icecast] OT: Oddcast DSP for foobar2000 v .7
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I'm doing live streaming with foobar2000 and oddcast.  I've noticed fb2k
is now at version .7 (at least RC).  The plugins need to be recompiled
for the new version.  Anybody out there using Oddcast with the new
version of fb2k?  I didn't see anything on oddcast's website, but I
thought maybe somebody has recompiled it themselves?

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From msmith at xiph.org  Thu Aug 28 01:17:30 2003
From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 11:17:30 +1000
Subject: [icecast] encrypted passwords in Icecast 2
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On Wednesday 27 August 2003 21:29, pdl at sindominio.net wrote:
> hello !
> I've just installed the debian package icecast2 (I have the icecast 1.3.12
> before) and I have a doubt about the passwords. In the icecast 1.3.* we
> should use the mkpasswd for our pass and put the crypted output to
> icecast.conf file.
>
> Isn't possible in the icecast.xml file?? (perhaps is not necessaty, I
> don't know). If this is so, can I change the permissions to this file to
> something like 660 ?

The crypted password support in icecast 1.x was not useful - it provided 
_zero_ additional security, so it just made people THINK it was safer when it 
wasn't - and as such, was actually counterproductive. 

You should make it readable only by the user you run icecast as.

Mike

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From jotero at san.rr.com  Thu Aug 28 02:20:45 2003
From: jotero at san.rr.com (Jose Otero)
Date: Wed, 27 Aug 2003 19:20:45 -0700
Subject: [icecast] icecast1 type stats logs in icecast2 ?
Message-ID: <000501c36d0a$fcefcb60$1300a8c0@spaceship>



Hey All.

 

I have recently upgraded my streaming radio station to icecast2 type
streaming.  I, however miss the stats logs in icecast 1.  These logs
would list the number of listeners, and more importantly their ip
addresses.  I parsed this onto a nice looking web page, so local users
in my LAN could know who was listening to the radio station.

 

I guess icecast2 has some built in web serving which displays the number
of listeners, but I see no way to get the ip addresses, unless I do some
sort of netstat and grep on port 8000.  This, however is a bit more
overhead that I want to use, if I can avoid it.  

 

Is anyone aware of a way to get the number of connected listeners and
their IP addresses?  Or does anyone know if there is a stats type log in
icecast2?

 

Thanks!

 

Jose

 

P.S.  The website for the station is http://sagansstash.ucsd.edu
<http://sagansstash.ucsd.edu/>   (click on wkbj radio)  The number of
listeners and "who's listening" link is broken until I fix this however.

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Thu Aug 28 03:57:56 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 28 Aug 2003 13:57:56 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] icecast1 type stats logs in icecast2 ?
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Hi:

You can get the info you want through the icecast2 admin interface.  To use
this, do the following:

1.  Edit the following fields of the icecast.xml file:
admin-user - set to the username to log into the admin system with.
admin-password - The password to use with the username above.
admin-root - the directory which will contain the XSL files for the admin
        interface.

2.  Now copy the XSL files in the admin directory of the icecast2
distribution into the directory you gave for the admin-root parameter.

3.  Launch your browser and visit http://server:port/admin .  enter the
username and password you put in the config file.

All being well, you'll be in the admin interface where you can list
clients, kick clients, move clients to other mountpoints, and other neat
stuff.

Hope this helps.

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From groups at mediacast1.com  Fri Aug 29 06:01:53 2003
From: groups at mediacast1.com (Dave St John)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 00:01:53 -0600
Subject: [icecast] icecast1 type stats logs in icecast2 ?
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Here is a php script that parses out the stats.xml file from the admin of
the icecast2 server.
It currently only parses the page out to variables and still needs a bit of
work.
anyways here is the php source files

http://cvs.casterclub.com/dev/icecast2_status/v1.3/ice2_conf.phps
http://cvs.casterclub.com/dev/icecast2_status/v1.3/ice2_status.phps

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<p>> Hi:
>
> You can get the info you want through the icecast2 admin interface.  To
use
> this, do the following:
>
> 1.  Edit the following fields of the icecast.xml file:
> admin-user - set to the username to log into the admin system with.
> admin-password - The password to use with the username above.
> admin-root - the directory which will contain the XSL files for the admin
> interface.
>
> 2.  Now copy the XSL files in the admin directory of the icecast2
> distribution into the directory you gave for the admin-root parameter.
>
> 3.  Launch your browser and visit http://server:port/admin .  enter the
> username and password you put in the config file.
>
> All being well, you'll be in the admin interface where you can list
> clients, kick clients, move clients to other mountpoints, and other neat
> stuff.
>
> Hope this helps.
>
> Geoff.
>
>
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From tiagocruz at linuxdicas.com.br  Fri Aug 29 06:32:21 2003
From: tiagocruz at linuxdicas.com.br (Tiago Cruz)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 08:32:21 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Ices: How Don't  stop :)
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Hello for all!

My name is Tiago, and I live in Brazil :)

My beta-radio it's work wonderful, but when the playlist finish, the
PID of ices die toguether :(

What I can make so that this does not occur?

Very thank's in advance!

Sorry by bad english :-/

Regards,

Tiago Cruz
Org. King de Contab. S/C Ltda.
Linux User # 282636
http://www.linuxrapido.linuxdicas.com.br/
Mandrake Linux i18n Team

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From stefb at wizzz.net  Fri Aug 29 11:40:38 2003
From: stefb at wizzz.net (Stephane Benoit)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:40:38 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Ices: How Don't  stop :)
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> My beta-radio it's work wonderful, but when the playlist finish, the
> PID of ices die toguether :(
>
> What I can make so that this does not occur?

using this script
and running by starting it
nohup script.sh & 
(or in a screen session)

the good thing is even if ices segfaults the radio goes on..

Stephane.

--

#!/bin/bash

while [ 1 ] ; do
    ices ;
done

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From tiagocruz at linuxdicas.com.br  Fri Aug 29 07:45:53 2003
From: tiagocruz at linuxdicas.com.br (Tiago Cruz)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 09:45:53 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Ices: How Don't  stop :)
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:40:38 +0200
Stephane Benoit <stefb at wizzz.net> wrote:

> using this script
> and running by starting it
> nohup script.sh & 
> (or in a screen session)

Thank's Stephane!

I was thinking about one script half crazy, something as

ps `cat /var/log/icecast/ices.pid` | awk '/?/ {print $3}'

=)

I'll test our tip, thank's

Today, I use in my /etc/rc.d/rc.local:

/usr/bin/ices
/usr/sbin/icecast

But I'll makes a script +-:
/usr/bin/ices
/usr/bin/nohup script.sh & 

The 'nohup' it's necessary?

Very thanks!!!

Regards,

Tiago Cruz
Org. King de Contab. S/C Ltda.
Linux User # 282636
http://www.linuxrapido.linuxdicas.com.br/
Mandrake Linux i18n Team

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From tiagocruz at linuxdicas.com.br  Fri Aug 29 09:56:06 2003
From: tiagocruz at linuxdicas.com.br (Tiago Cruz)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 11:56:06 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Ices: How Don't  stop :)
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Message-ID: <20030829115606.53122df6.tiagocruz@linuxdicas.com.br>



Hehehhe... Hello again!

When I type:

# nohup ices.sh & /sbin/./ices.sh &

The file ~/nohup:

Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15907)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15909)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15911)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15913)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15915)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15917)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15919)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15921)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15923)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15925)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15927)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15929)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15931)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15933)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15935)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15937)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15939)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15941)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15943)
Into the land of the dreaded daemons we go... (pid: 15945)
[...]

And the ices are opened 'n' times and:

[root at osite tiago]# killall ice
bash: /usr/bin/killall: Too many open files in system

:(

Thank's in advance!

Regards,

Tiago Cruz
Org. King de Contab. S/C Ltda.
Linux User # 282636
http://www.linuxrapido.linuxdicas.com.br/
Mandrake Linux i18n Team

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From tiagocruz at linuxdicas.com.br  Fri Aug 29 15:04:08 2003
From: tiagocruz at linuxdicas.com.br (Tiago Cruz)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 17:04:08 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Ices: How Don't  stop :)
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003 21:28:02 +0200
Stephane Benoit <stefb at wizzz.net> wrote:

> You should not launch ices in the background
> (in the ices config file)

Ow Stephane, very thanks!!!

Now, ices work wonderful++ :)

Ices: The Indestructible >:-]

Brazilian Regards!

Tiago Cruz
Org. King de Contab. S/C Ltda.
Linux User # 282636
http://www.linuxrapido.linuxdicas.com.br/
Mandrake Linux i18n Team

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From wfindl1 at yahoo.com  Fri Aug 29 20:29:15 2003
From: wfindl1 at yahoo.com (William Findley)
Date: Fri, 29 Aug 2003 13:29:15 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [icecast] OT: Oddcast DSP for foobar2000 v .7
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I'm waiting on the same thing.  Alternately, does anyone know where to get a working null output plugin for Foobar 0.667?  My media server has no soundcard.  Foobar 0.667 thinks it needs one for some strange reason.  Foobar 0.7 RC8 has a null output plugin included.  I'd like to stream Ogg w/o running Linux.

Luke Stodola <minus273point16c at fastmail.fm> wrote:I'm doing live streaming with foobar2000 and oddcast. I've noticed fb2k
is now at version .7 (at least RC). The plugins need to be recompiled
for the new version. Anybody out there using Oddcast with the new
version of fb2k? I didn't see anything on oddcast's website, but I
thought maybe somebody has recompiled it themselves?

Thanks!

-- 
Luke Stodola
minus273point16c at fastmail.fm

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Sat Aug 30 04:35:15 2003
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 14:35:15 +1000 (EST)
Subject: [icecast] Ices: How Don't  stop :)
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2003, Tiago Cruz wrote:

> My beta-radio it's work wonderful, but when the playlist finish, the
> PID of ices die toguether :(
>
> What I can make so that this does not occur?

I know you've gotten an answer on this, but I thought I'd say how you can
do this without fancy scripts.

In the ices config file, make sure that the "once" parameter in the
playlist section is set to 0.  Example:

<param name="once">0</param>

This is set this way in the examples shipped with the program.

Geoff.

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From l.willner at kabsi.at  Sat Aug 30 13:56:20 2003
From: l.willner at kabsi.at (Leo Willner)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 15:56:20 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Compiling icecast2, libcurl problem
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Hi there,

I got a question regarding compiling the icecast2-server:

        When I'm executing the 'sh autogen.sh' command and is checking for libraries, it says that it didn't find the 'libcurl' library, although I have the curl-rpm installed 
that includes the libcurl (located in /usr/lib). I compiled icecast2 anyway and tried running it. If I try to get the status.xsl the browser says it found the page, but isn't able 
to download it. Something similar happens when I try to get an ogg-stream. I wrote /usr/lib to my 'ld.so.conf', but with no effect on the sh autogen.sh'-command.

As far as I know curl and libcurl has something to do with file-transfer, so I think it may be the reason for the male-function.

If the absence of libcurl is the reason for this, maybe somebody knows how to tell the 'sh autogen.sh'-command or gcc the location of my 'libcurl' (located in /usr/lib). 
Maybe it has something to do with a linker or so ? I have no experiences in C-compiling.

I'm using SuSE Linux 8.2 Professional with a standard software installation. The suse-rpms libxml, libxslt, libvorbis, libogg, libao and curl (with the libcurl) and their devel-
counterparts are installed. Vorbis-tools-rpm is installed too.. 

Tanks for your help.
                Leo

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From karl at xiph.org  Sat Aug 30 14:28:36 2003
From: karl at xiph.org (Karl Heyes)
Date: 30 Aug 2003 15:28:36 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Compiling icecast2, libcurl problem
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On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 14:56, Leo Willner wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I got a question regarding compiling the icecast2-server:
> 
> 	When I'm executing the 'sh autogen.sh' command and is checking for libraries, it says that it didn't find the 'libcurl' library, although I have the curl-rpm installed 
> that includes the libcurl (located in /usr/lib). I compiled icecast2 anyway and tried running it. If I try to get the status.xsl the browser says it found the page, but isn't able 
> to download it. Something similar happens when I try to get an ogg-stream. I wrote /usr/lib to my 'ld.so.conf', but with no effect on the sh autogen.sh'-command.

to compile apps to use curl, you need the runtime and development
packages.  It's most likely not finding the headers files required, try
installing the curl-devel package as well.

> As far as I know curl and libcurl has something to do with file-transfer, so I think it may be the reason for the male-function.

<p>> If the absence of libcurl is the reason for this, maybe somebody knows how to tell the 'sh autogen.sh'-command or gcc the location of my 'libcurl' (located in /usr/lib). 
> Maybe it has something to do with a linker or so ? I have no experiences in C-compiling.

curl is only used for the YP directory support, if there were a linker
issue then you would see different problems.   I would check the icecast
log first for odd errors, and verify that the webroot has the status.xsl
file installed and is readable.

karl.

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From kevinp at kplug.org  Sat Aug 30 16:06:07 2003
From: kevinp at kplug.org (W. Kevin Pedigo)
Date: 30 Aug 2003 16:06:07 +0000
Subject: [icecast] Compiling icecast2, libcurl problem
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On Sat, 2003-08-30 at 13:56, Leo Willner wrote:
> Hi there,
> 
> I got a question regarding compiling the icecast2-server:
> 
> 	When I'm executing the 'sh autogen.sh' command and is checking for libraries, it says that it didn't find the 'libcurl' library, although I have the curl-rpm installed 
> that includes the libcurl (located in /usr/lib). I compiled icecast2 anyway and tried running it. If I try to get the status.xsl the browser says it found the page, but isn't able 
> to download it. Something similar happens when I try to get an ogg-stream. 

You may need the curl-devel RPM.

--kevin

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From l.willner at kabsi.at  Sat Aug 30 18:47:48 2003
From: l.willner at kabsi.at (Leo Willner)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 20:47:48 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Compiling icecast2, libcurl problem
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Hi again,

Thanks for the quick response.

the curl-devel is already installed on my system.

<p>Logging:
Thats a problem too, the icecast binary can be executed but there are no logs in the log-directory I specified (the dir does exist and my 
user (root) got write-permission). I'm running icecast as root for testing, to have no problems with permissions.

I thought icecast doesn't start if it can't log ("error writing log" or something), so is there a default log-dir? Searched my whole system for 
icecast-log-files but didn't find anything. Anyway ices2 is logging and doesn't report any errors so it seems that it can connect to icecast 
properly.

<p>Webroot:
The webroot-dir that I specified exists and the status.xsl too. root got read- and write-access to status.xsl.

<p>Some messages during make-command:
during make-command, for compiling icecast it writes sometimes 'warning: comparison between signed and unsigned'
and one time it writes 'warning ''_parse_audio_info'' defined but not used'

<p>Libshout:
As far as I have seen icecasts' 'sh autogen.sh' command isn't checking for libshout, is this maybe the problem, or is libshout just needed 
for ices2?

<p>Summary:
IceS2 is running well and can connect to Icecast, Icecast can be executed, but there is no way making a connection to the server, 
and there are no icecast-log-files.
I'm simply running out of ideas.

Ciao

        Leo

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From ice at wasteland.respond2.com  Sun Aug 31 06:28:42 2003
From: ice at wasteland.respond2.com (Keegan Quinn)
Date: Sat, 30 Aug 2003 23:28:42 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Debian packages: icecast2, libshout, ices2
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On Tue, Aug 12, 2003 at 01:09:24PM -0700, Keegan Quinn wrote:
> On Sun, Aug 10, 2003 at 11:29:47AM -0500, Luke Stodola wrote:
> > Again, thanks Keegan for making these.  I will certainly appreciate
> > continued updates.
> 
> No problem!  Glad they're getting used.  I'm falling a bit behind with
> the updates, unfortunately, but they're still a high priority for me.
> I'll drop another note here when the next ones are ready.

Well, CVS has been quiet, and I've been busy; maybe bi-monthly updates
make a bit more sense than bi-weekly.  If any users of my packages are
desperately in need of the last fixes, please drop me a message.  I'll
continue to monitor CVS commits for major improvements.

Thanks,

 - Keegan

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From l.willner at kabsi.at  Sun Aug 31 15:40:25 2003
From: l.willner at kabsi.at (Leo Willner)
Date: Sun, 31 Aug 2003 17:40:25 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Compiling icecast2, libcurl problem
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Hi, the third

Finally got my icecast2 working :))))

Was my fault, cause I got my Icecast2-server working as root without changeowner option, that's why it didn't work (a stupid newbee fault I 
think).

I don't know if the yp-thing will work, I think not, cause as I mentioned the compiler don't find libcurl somehow, but for the moment I'm happy 
that  the server streams.

Thanks

        Leo

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