From roy at lamrim.com  Wed May  1 00:04:02 2002
From: roy at lamrim.com (Roy Harvey)
Date: Tue, 30 Apr 2002 17:04:02 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Graceful Icecast Source Switching?
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All --

Anyone know what the "best practice" technique is for gracefully switching 
sources?

Here's situation:

Server A is streaming recorded MP3 files to a bunch of listeners (ICES).
Server B is a live feed (via oddcast)

When I want to transition the Server A listeners to the Server B stream, I 
do the following:

(1) Kill the ICES process on Server A
(2) Start a RELAY PULL on Server A to point it to Server B

Server A starts streaming the Server B feed properly, but all the existing 
Server A listeners get kicked.  Everyone then needs to reconnect.

I've tried increasing the CLIENT_TIMEOUT but it doesn't seem to be the 
fix.  (I've also changed the RELAY_RECONNECT_MAX from infinite (-1) to 3 so 
that Server A doesn't keep grasping for the now-dead ICES stream and 
accepts the new Server B feed).

Any help appreciated.

Thanks,

Roy

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From ajb at jireh.co.uk  Wed May  1 08:49:23 2002
From: ajb at jireh.co.uk (ajb)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 09:49:23 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Simpal Question
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Hi,

I know this is a simple question sorry but I just need to know a few bits of info before I install this as I cannot see the answer
any ware. ( we have been using the free 25 from real audio for a live broadcast but are running our and its too expensive for the
charity ) what I really need to know is when we do a broadcast with icecast what software do we need on the live events computer
this is a windows98 can we still use real producer or do we need another or will it only work if they have UNIX.

Thanks

Andrew

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From chrisp at chrispy.net  Wed May  1 20:08:11 2002
From: chrisp at chrispy.net (Chris Parrinello)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 15:08:11 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Graceful Icecast Source Switching?
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Roy Harvey wrote:
> All --
> 
> Anyone know what the "best practice" technique is for gracefully 
> switching sources?
> 
> Here's situation:
> 
> Server A is streaming recorded MP3 files to a bunch of listeners (ICES).
> Server B is a live feed (via oddcast)
> 
> When I want to transition the Server A listeners to the Server B stream, 
> I do the following:
> 
> (1) Kill the ICES process on Server A
> (2) Start a RELAY PULL on Server A to point it to Server B
> 
> Server A starts streaming the Server B feed properly, but all the 
> existing Server A listeners get kicked.  Everyone then needs to reconnect.
> 
> I've tried increasing the CLIENT_TIMEOUT but it doesn't seem to be the 
> fix.  (I've also changed the RELAY_RECONNECT_MAX from infinite (-1) to 3 
> so that Server A doesn't keep grasping for the now-dead ICES stream and 
> accepts the new Server B feed).
> 
> Any help appreciated.

I don't know about the relay pull stuff but we do the same thing of 
switching from prerecorded content (in our case, rebroadcasts of our 
live show from last week) to the live show.

I have one icecast server setup with ices streaming the rebroadcasts. 
When it is almost time for  the live show, I start oddcast with the live 
feed and connect it to the server. At this point, the icecast server has 
two sources each with different mount points. When we want to go live, I 
kill ices and all of the existing listeners get moved over to the live 
source.

Chris

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Wed May  1 21:55:38 2002
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 07:55:38 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Simpal Question
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Hi:

I would suggest using winamp with the oddcast DSP plugin from oddsock.org.
You can get it to stream live input by using the advanced controls mode.

Geoff.

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From ajb at jireh.co.uk  Wed May  1 22:58:29 2002
From: ajb at jireh.co.uk (ajb)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 23:58:29 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Simpal Question
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Hi,

have you the full url to that plug in as I cannot find it there sorry.

Andrew

<p>Hi:

I would suggest using winamp with the oddcast DSP plugin from oddsock.org.
You can get it to stream live input by using the advanced controls mode.

Geoff.

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From sean_robertson at eee.org  Thu May  2 00:56:25 2002
From: sean_robertson at eee.org (Sean Robertson)
Date: Wed, 01 May 2002 17:56:25 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Segfault in ices
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I run FreeBSD-4.5-STABLE, along with icecast 1.3.12, and I've been having 
two problems with ices 0.2.2.

1)  When I give ices an empty playlist file and tell it to randomize, I get 
a segfault every time.  When I give it the same playlist with Randomize set 
to 0, it tells me that the playlist is empty instead of crashing.

2)  ices can't seem to handle any of my playlists.  The correct format is 
just one full path/filename per line, correct?  It gives me a "No such file 
or directory" error for every file on my list, even though I have gone back 
and verified that all of them actually do exist.  Is there some particular 
character that ices can't handle in a playlist?

I have posted a copy of my playlist on http://www.realityblows.net/playlist.

Thanks,
Sean Robertson
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From brendan at icecast.org  Thu May  2 03:22:19 2002
From: brendan at icecast.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Wed, 1 May 2002 23:22:19 -0400
Subject: [icecast] ices 0.2.3 released
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ices 0.2.3 has been released. You can find it, as always, at
http://www.icecast.org/download.html

Aside from the remarkable amount of time elapsed since the last release,
this release is most notable for being thread-free. Threads are nice,
but ices wasn't doing anything with them and they are still a
portability headache. For example, the current release should now build
out-of-the-box on OS X.

Notes from the changelog:

* ices no longer uses threads, making it much leaner and more
  portable.
* bundled with libshout 1.0.9, which makes it much less
  likely to segfault on normal MP3 files.
* Will now attempt to reload playlist modules when sighup'd. Make your
  scripting changes without interrupting your stream.

Very few bugs have been fixed in this release, sorry.

-b

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From jay at core.at  Thu May  2 19:24:50 2002
From: jay at core.at (jay)
Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 18:24:50 -0100
Subject: [icecast] QUESTION ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION
Message-ID: <web-243009@core.at>



hi,

have to host a web-shop which has got the possibility to
stream mp3's on demand.

those mp3's are prerecorded. is there a possibility to
stream local files to the users directly or do i have to use
an encoder ?? 

thanx

Juergen

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From durrell at innocence.com  Thu May  2 18:35:22 2002
From: durrell at innocence.com (Bryant Durrell)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 11:35:22 -0700
Subject: [icecast] ices 0.2.3 released
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On Wed, May 01, 2002 at 11:22:19PM -0400, Brendan Cully wrote:
> ices 0.2.3 has been released. You can find it, as always, at
> http://www.icecast.org/download.html

Compiles and runs beautifully on OS X, with no modifications needed.
Thanks!


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From gluis at alsuites.com  Thu May  2 19:31:54 2002
From: gluis at alsuites.com (Luis Gallardo)
Date: Thu, 02 May 2002 15:31:54 -0400
Subject: [icecast] QUESTION ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION
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jay wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> have to host a web-shop which has got the possibility to
> stream mp3's on demand.
> 
> those mp3's are prerecorded. is there a possibility to
> stream local files to the users directly or do i have to use
> an encoder ??
> 
> thanx
> 
> Juergen
> 

You can use the staticdir directive in the icecast.conf file in order to
tell Icecast where your static mp3's are. Then you can access to yours
mp3's in http://yourserver:8000/file/

I hope it helps you.


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From jay at core.at  Fri May  3 02:36:26 2002
From: jay at core.at (JAY)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 04:36:26 +0200
Subject: [icecast] hiding filenames
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hi,

when streaming - icecast provides the filename to the customer. is it
possible to crypt the filename so that the user cant see anything ??

regards

JAY

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From jay at core.at  Fri May  3 02:40:53 2002
From: jay at core.at (JAY)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 04:40:53 +0200
Subject: [icecast] hiding filenames
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hi,

when streaming - icecast provides the filename to the customer. is it
possible to crypt the filename so that the user cant see anything ??

regards

JAY

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From cmmiller1973 at yahoo.com  Fri May  3 03:14:44 2002
From: cmmiller1973 at yahoo.com (CM Miller)
Date: Thu, 2 May 2002 20:14:44 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [icecast] New to Icecast
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I've been lurking on the list for about a week, and
want to start with this question. 

I've downloaded the latest Icecast file, do I also
need IceS 0.2.3 source as well?  

What is the difference between the two files?

thanks

-Chris 

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From jay at core.at  Fri May  3 04:20:40 2002
From: jay at core.at (JAY)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 06:20:40 +0200
Subject: [icecast] New to Icecast
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hi,

icecast ist the server-part
ices is the tool for live-streaming

best regards

J
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>
> What is the difference between the two files?
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From mr_happymac at mac.com  Fri May  3 13:15:58 2002
From: mr_happymac at mac.com (peter mears)
Date: Fri, 3 May 2002 15:15:58 +0200
Subject: [icecast] ices-0.2.3 works on OSX
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Hi
Thanks for the new ices version I can happily report that it complies 
and runs with no major problems on mac osx 10.1.4.

previous to this installation, I installed libshout and lame and configed

/configure --with-lame --with-lame-includes=/usr/local/include/lame 
--with-lame-libraries=/usr/local/lib --with-perl --without-python

XML support came in a port from fink

I have attached my term out for those interested.
I chose not to use Python as I have a few system conflicts, I have 
tested using builtin and perl, they both work.

A small pointer to beginners here, took me a while to get the playlist 
to load. I had to use full path to my playlist.txt in the ices.conf. for 
some reason ices refused to read the file without  path, although it was 
in my playlist.txt was in the /etc folder as suggest in the FAQ doc.

great work thanks

Peter Mears

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From gluis at alsuites.com  Fri May  3 19:38:28 2002
From: gluis at alsuites.com (Luis Gallardo)
Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 15:38:28 -0400
Subject: Ices vs LiveIce [was Re: [icecast] New to Icecast]
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JAY wrote:
> 
> hi,
> 
> icecast ist the server-part
> ices is the tool for live-streaming
> 
> best regards
> 

Is Ices better than LiveIce or vice versa?


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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Fri May  3 19:58:02 2002
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (Moritz Grimm)
Date: Fri, 03 May 2002 21:58:02 +0200
Subject: Ices vs LiveIce [was Re: [icecast] New to Icecast]
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Luis Gallardo wrote:
> Is Ices better than LiveIce or vice versa?

I don't know LiveIce, but let me answer generally: "Depends on your
needs."

It depends on how you like to configure things, what the features are,
and so on. The only way to find out whether something suits you or not
is trying it out. It's all free anyways.

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From wcarroll at carolina.rr.com  Sat May  4 21:52:09 2002
From: wcarroll at carolina.rr.com (Wade Carroll)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:52:09 -0400
Subject: [icecast] bitstream problem: resyncing...
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This one really has me stumped.
I'm running 866MHz, 256MB RAM, 80GB Disk (7200RPM) on Linux-mandrake 8.2
icecast 1.3.12  & ices 0.2.3 & lame 3.91
all mp3s encoded with lame 3.91 or higher and --r3mix (VBR)

Sorry for the long email but I'm hoping to get someone out there that's seen
this before and give me some advice...
I'm continually getting errors like this when running my icecast server
w/ices:

Here's the console output from ices:
[root at keeper config]# ./ices
DEBUG: Sending following information to libshout:
DEBUG: Stream: 0
DEBUG: Host: localhost  Port: 8000
DEBUG: Password: ******       Icy Compat: 0
DEBUG: Name: Audio AnklBytr: All Angst, All Day URL: www.icecast.org
DEBUG: Genre: Alternative Angst Desc: All Angst All Day
DEBUG: Bitrate: 160     Public: 0
DEBUG: Mount: ices      Dumpfile: (null)
Logfile opened
DEBUG: Initializing playlist handler...
DEBUG: Initializing builting playlist handler...
DEBUG: Randomizing playlist...
DEBUG: Using LAME version 3.91

Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
DEBUG: Builtin playlist handler serving:
/home/audiotron/music/Beck/Odelay/09-Minus.mp3
DEBUG: ID3v2 tag size is 541 bytes
DEBUG: Skipping to MP3 data
DEBUG: Layer: III               Version: MPEG-1 Frequency: 44100
DEBUG: Bitrate: 128 kbit/s      Padding: 0      Mode: j-stereo
DEBUG: Ext: 0   Mode_Ext: 2     Copyright: 0    Original: 1
DEBUG: Error Protection: 0      Emphasis: 0     Stereo: 2
Playing /home/audiotron/music/Beck/Odelay/09-Minus.mp3
DEBUG: Initially delaying metadata update...
bitstream problem: resyncing...
bitstream problem: resyncing...
bitstream problem: resyncing...
bitstream problem: resyncing...
bitstream problem: resyncing...
bitstream problem: resyncing...
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bitstream problem: resyncing...
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bitstream problem: resyncing...
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bitstream problem: resyncing...
bitstream problem: resyncing...
bitstream problem: resyncing...
bitstream problem: resyncing...
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bitstream problem: resyncing...
bitstream problem: resyncing...
bitstream problem: resyncing...
bitstream problem: resyncing...
bitstream problem: resyncing...
bitstream problem: resyncing...
bitstream problem: resyncing...
./ices: line 9: 19273 Segmentation fault      (core dumped)
/usr/local/icecast/bin/ices -c /etc/ices/ices.conf

Sniff...sniff...then it dies!!!  Icecast keeps cranking away, no problem.

Here's my config file for icecast:

encoder_password *********
admin_password **********
oper_password *********
max_clients 20
max_sources 2
max_clients_per_source 10
use_meta_data 0
logfile icecast.log
location 'North Carolina'
logfiledebuglevel 2
server_url /home/carolina.rr.com/yardsale
logdir /var/log/icecast
console_mode 1
port 8000
port 8001

<p>Here's my config file for ices:

<?xml version="1.0"?>
<ices:Configuration xmlns:ices="http://www.icecast.org/projects/ices">
  <Playlist>
    <!-- This is the filename used as a playlist when using the builtin
         playlist handler. -->
    <File>/home/audiotron/music/playlists/play.pl</File>
    <!-- Set this to 0 if you don't want to randomize your playlist, and to
         1 if you do. -->
    <Randomize>1</Randomize>
    <!-- Either builtin, perl, or python. -->
    <Type>builtin</Type>
    <!-- Module name to pass to the playlist handler if using  perl or
python.
         If you use the builtin playlist handler then this is ignored -->
    <Module>ices</Module>
  </Playlist>

  <Execution>
    <!-- Set this to 1 if you want ices to launch in the background as a
         daemon -->
    <Background>0</Background>
    <!-- Set this to 1 if you want to see more verbose output from ices -->
    <Verbose>1</Verbose>
    <!-- This directory specifies where ices should put the logfile, cue
file
         and pid file (if daemonizing). -->
    <BaseDirectory>/home/icecast</BaseDirectory>
  </Execution>

  <Stream>
    <Server>
      <!-- Hostname or ip of the icecast server you want to connect to -->
      <Hostname>localhost</Hostname>
      <!-- Port of the same -->
      <Port>8000</Port>
      <!-- Encoder password on the icecast server -->
      <Password>*******</Password>
      <!-- Header protocol to use when communicating with the server.
           Use xaudiocast for icecast, or icy for shoutcast
compatibility -->
      <Protocol>xaudiocast</Protocol>
    </Server>

    <!-- The name of the mountpoint on the icecast server -->
    <Mountpoint>ices</Mountpoint>
    <!-- The name of the dumpfile on the server for your stream. DO NOT set
         this unless you know what you're doing.
    <Dumpfile>ices.dump</Dumpfile>
    -->
    <!-- The name of you stream, not the name of the song! -->
    <Name>Audio AnklBytr: All Angst, All Day</Name>
    <!-- Genre of your stream, be it rock or pop or whatever -->
    <Genre>Alternative Angst</Genre>
    <!-- Longer description of your stream -->
    <Description>All Angst All Day</Description>
    <!-- URL to a page describing your stream -->
    <URL>www.icecast.org</URL>
    <!-- 0 if you don't want the icecast server to publish your stream on
         the yp server, 1 if you do -->
    <Public>0</Public>

    <!-- Stream bitrate, used to specify bitrate if reencoding, otherwise
         just used for display on yp and on the server. Try to keep it
         accurate -->
    <Bitrate>160</Bitrate>
    <!-- If this is set to 1, and ices is compiled with liblame support,
         ices will reencode the stream on the fly to the stream bitrate. -->
    <Reencode>1</Reencode>
    <!-- Number of channels to reencode to, 1 for mono or 2 for stereo -->
    <Channels>2</Channels>
  </Stream>
</ices:Configuration>

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From brendan at icecast.org  Sat May  4 21:57:36 2002
From: brendan at icecast.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 17:57:36 -0400
Subject: [icecast] bitstream problem: resyncing...
In-Reply-To: <LCEPICPGGJPDFBFLGLGOGEMACEAA.wcarroll@carolina.rr.com>
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On Saturday, 04 May 2002 at 17:52, Wade Carroll wrote:
> This one really has me stumped.
> I'm running 866MHz, 256MB RAM, 80GB Disk (7200RPM) on Linux-mandrake 8.2
> icecast 1.3.12  & ices 0.2.3 & lame 3.91
> all mp3s encoded with lame 3.91 or higher and --r3mix (VBR)

ices behaves unpredictably in the face of VBR mp3s. It's on the TODO
list, but I've never had the time to really investigate.

-b

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From wcarroll at carolina.rr.com  Sat May  4 22:01:06 2002
From: wcarroll at carolina.rr.com (Wade Carroll)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 18:01:06 -0400
Subject: [icecast] Just one more thing....
Message-ID: <LCEPICPGGJPDFBFLGLGOOEMACEAA.wcarroll@carolina.rr.com>



Exactly how do you get artist/title to properly stream to clients?

I'm referring to something beyond the standard "metadata 1" config option in
icecast since that only seems to send the file name.

Thanks ahead of time for any help!

Wade

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From wcarroll at carolina.rr.com  Sat May  4 22:01:45 2002
From: wcarroll at carolina.rr.com (Wade Carroll)
Date: Sat, 4 May 2002 18:01:45 -0400
Subject: [icecast] bitstream problem: resyncing...
In-Reply-To: <20020504215736.GA1239@xanadu.kublai.com>
Message-ID: <LCEPICPGGJPDFBFLGLGOCEMBCEAA.wcarroll@carolina.rr.com>



any alternative streamers?

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Brendan Cully
Sent: Saturday, May 04, 2002 5:58 PM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [icecast] bitstream problem: resyncing...

<p>On Saturday, 04 May 2002 at 17:52, Wade Carroll wrote:
> This one really has me stumped.
> I'm running 866MHz, 256MB RAM, 80GB Disk (7200RPM) on Linux-mandrake 8.2
> icecast 1.3.12  & ices 0.2.3 & lame 3.91
> all mp3s encoded with lame 3.91 or higher and --r3mix (VBR)

ices behaves unpredictably in the face of VBR mp3s. It's on the TODO
list, but I've never had the time to really investigate.

-b

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From wcarroll at carolina.rr.com  Sun May  5 11:20:47 2002
From: wcarroll at carolina.rr.com (Wade Carroll)
Date: Sun, 5 May 2002 07:20:47 -0400
Subject: [icecast] Segfault in ices
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Did you create the playlist on the linux server or bring it over from a
Windows machine?

I had a similar problem when I was taking moving some playlists.

I ended up ditching the old playlists (after all kinds of
searching/replacing) and re-created them on the linux server.  One good way
to do this is to use find.  'find /home/audiotron/music -print' did the
trick for me.

Wade

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Sean Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 8:56 PM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: [icecast] Segfault in ices

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I run FreeBSD-4.5-STABLE, along with icecast 1.3.12, and I've been having
two problems with ices 0.2.2.

1)  When I give ices an empty playlist file and tell it to randomize, I get
a segfault every time.  When I give it the same playlist with Randomize set
to 0, it tells me that the playlist is empty instead of crashing.

2)  ices can't seem to handle any of my playlists.  The correct format is
just one full path/filename per line, correct?  It gives me a "No such file
or directory" error for every file on my list, even though I have gone back
and verified that all of them actually do exist.  Is there some particular
character that ices can't handle in a playlist?

I have posted a copy of my playlist on http://www.realityblows.net/playlist.

Thanks,
Sean Robertson
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From sean_robertson at eee.org  Sun May  5 19:34:46 2002
From: sean_robertson at eee.org (Sean Robertson)
Date: Sun, 05 May 2002 12:34:46 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Segfault in ices
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They were created on the BSD server.  I actually figured out that by 
opening the playlist with a text editor, saving it, then trying again, it 
worked.  I didn't even change the file at all.  just 'vi playlist' then 
save it and try again.  I never did figure out the difference.  I even 
diffed the new vs the old, and got no changes shown.

On a side note, ices 0.2.3 doesn't segfault on the same playlist.  It 
reports it as corrupted, but at least it doesn't crash.

Sean Robertson

At 07:20 AM 5/5/2002 -0400, you wrote:
>Did you create the playlist on the linux server or bring it over from a
>Windows machine?
>
>I had a similar problem when I was taking moving some playlists.
>
>I ended up ditching the old playlists (after all kinds of
>searching/replacing) and re-created them on the linux server.  One good way
>to do this is to use find.  'find /home/audiotron/music -print' did the
>trick for me.
>
>Wade
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sean Robertson
>Sent: Wednesday, May 01, 2002 8:56 PM
>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: [icecast] Segfault in ices
>
>
>I run FreeBSD-4.5-STABLE, along with icecast 1.3.12, and I've been having
>two problems with ices 0.2.2.
>
>1)  When I give ices an empty playlist file and tell it to randomize, I get
>a segfault every time.  When I give it the same playlist with Randomize set
>to 0, it tells me that the playlist is empty instead of crashing.
>
>2)  ices can't seem to handle any of my playlists.  The correct format is
>just one full path/filename per line, correct?  It gives me a "No such file
>or directory" error for every file on my list, even though I have gone back
>and verified that all of them actually do exist.  Is there some particular
>character that ices can't handle in a playlist?
>
>I have posted a copy of my playlist on http://www.realityblows.net/playlist.
>
>Thanks,
>Sean Robertson

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From wcarroll at carolina.rr.com  Tue May  7 01:52:58 2002
From: wcarroll at carolina.rr.com (Wade Carroll)
Date: Mon, 6 May 2002 21:52:58 -0400
Subject: [icecast] QUESTION ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION
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Technically speaking you'll actually be 'de-coding' mp3 encoded files to
your users.

This would be handed via the icecast server (which strictly streams) and 
some sort of mp3 de-coder (such as ices).

Wade

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jay
Sent: Thursday, May 02, 2002 3:25 PM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: [icecast] QUESTION ABOUT IMPLEMENTATION

<p>hi,

have to host a web-shop which has got the possibility to
stream mp3's on demand.

those mp3's are prerecorded. is there a possibility to
stream local files to the users directly or do i have to use
an encoder ?? 

thanx

Juergen

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Wed May  8 19:56:59 2002
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 9 May 2002 05:56:59 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Simpal Question
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On Wed, 1 May 2002, ajb wrote:

> Hi,
>
> have you the full url to that plug in as I cannot find it there sorry.
>
> Andrew

http://www.oddsock.org/tools/dsp_oddcast

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Date: Thu May  9 02:08:50 2002
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From roadkil at ambro.com  Mon May 13 18:31:09 2002
From: roadkil at ambro.com (roadkil at ambro.com)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 08:31:09 -1000
Subject: [icecast] Professionals: lacking credentials?
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From: walter54p at yahoo.de (walter54p at yahoo.de)
Date: Mon May 13 15:56:24 2002
Subject: [icecast] ist es dein Geburtstag?
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From konny at waitrose.com  Tue May 14 00:02:09 2002
From: konny at waitrose.com (MR I)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 01:02:09 +0100
Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
Message-ID: <3CE05401.30103@waitrose.com>



can't find help on this anywhere!

using ice get error message from ice:

[ ices]$ bin/ices -F ~uo/dilated.txt -P *****
Logfile opened
Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
Playing /export/mp3/My Music/Rawkus/Lyricist Lounge 2/Dilated Peoples - 
Right and Exact.mp3
Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: Libshout 
socket error.
Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
Ices Exiting...
Ices Exiting...

the icecast server states that the source signed of (killed itself)..
using ices 0.2.3
icecast 1.3.12
libshout 1.0.9
K

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From wcarroll at carolina.rr.com  Tue May 14 00:37:32 2002
From: wcarroll at carolina.rr.com (Wade Carroll)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 20:37:32 -0400
Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
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Does this only occur with that one mp3 file or all?

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<p>can't find help on this anywhere!

using ice get error message from ice:

[ ices]$ bin/ices -F ~uo/dilated.txt -P *****
Logfile opened
Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
Playing /export/mp3/My Music/Rawkus/Lyricist Lounge 2/Dilated Peoples - 
Right and Exact.mp3
Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: Libshout 
socket error.
Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
Ices Exiting...
Ices Exiting...

the icecast server states that the source signed of (killed itself)..
using ices 0.2.3
icecast 1.3.12
libshout 1.0.9
K

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From konny at waitrose.com  Tue May 14 00:47:23 2002
From: konny at waitrose.com (MR I)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 01:47:23 +0100
Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
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all.. any list. can play mp3 with other apps.
more info:
OS :rh7.2 on intel i686

Wade Carroll wrote:

>Does this only occur with that one mp3 file or all?
>
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>MR I
>Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:02 PM
>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
>
>
>can't find help on this anywhere!
>
>using ice get error message from ice:
>
>[ ices]$ bin/ices -F ~uo/dilated.txt -P *****
>Logfile opened
>Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
>Playing /export/mp3/My Music/Rawkus/Lyricist Lounge 2/Dilated Peoples - 
>Right and Exact.mp3
>Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: Libshout 
>socket error.
>Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
>Ices Exiting...
>Ices Exiting...
>
>the icecast server states that the source signed of (killed itself)..
>using ices 0.2.3
>icecast 1.3.12
>libshout 1.0.9
>K
>
>
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From wcarroll at carolina.rr.com  Tue May 14 00:51:29 2002
From: wcarroll at carolina.rr.com (Wade Carroll)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 20:51:29 -0400
Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
In-Reply-To: <3CE05E9B.3060208@waitrose.com>
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I don't know what's happening there.  Thought maybe it was a mp3 file (I've
had troubles with certain mp3s).

Check your messages log in icecast (you can change the message detail with
the console mode I believe).
You might be getting a bad password or something on the icecast side and by
looking at ices just seeing this error.
Could be a bad port# ?

Wish I could be of more help.

Wade

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
MR I
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:47 PM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [icecast] error with libshout

<p>all.. any list. can play mp3 with other apps.
more info:
OS :rh7.2 on intel i686

Wade Carroll wrote:

>Does this only occur with that one mp3 file or all?
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
>MR I
>Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:02 PM
>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
>
>
>can't find help on this anywhere!
>
>using ice get error message from ice:
>
>[ ices]$ bin/ices -F ~uo/dilated.txt -P *****
>Logfile opened
>Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
>Playing /export/mp3/My Music/Rawkus/Lyricist Lounge 2/Dilated Peoples -
>Right and Exact.mp3
>Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: Libshout
>socket error.
>Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
>Ices Exiting...
>Ices Exiting...
>
>the icecast server states that the source signed of (killed itself)..
>using ices 0.2.3
>icecast 1.3.12
>libshout 1.0.9
>K
>
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From konny at waitrose.com  Tue May 14 01:01:33 2002
From: konny at waitrose.com (MR I)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 02:01:33 +0100
Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
In-Reply-To: <LCEPICPGGJPDFBFLGLGOKEAMCFAA.wcarroll@carolina.rr.com>
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thanks...
Icecast doesn't log this problem.
the icecast.log file (icecast.log) hasn't been updated for some time
only the stats.* and useage.log have changed

<p>Wade Carroll wrote:

>I don't know what's happening there.  Thought maybe it was a mp3 file (I've
>had troubles with certain mp3s).
>
>Check your messages log in icecast (you can change the message detail with
>the console mode I believe).
>You might be getting a bad password or something on the icecast side and by
>looking at ices just seeing this error.
>Could be a bad port# ?
>
>Wish I could be of more help.
>
>Wade
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
>MR I
>Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:47 PM
>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: Re: [icecast] error with libshout
>
>
>all.. any list. can play mp3 with other apps.
>more info:
>OS :rh7.2 on intel i686
>
>Wade Carroll wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Does this only occur with that one mp3 file or all?
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
>>MR I
>>Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:02 PM
>>To: icecast at xiph.org
>>Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
>>
>>
>>can't find help on this anywhere!
>>
>>using ice get error message from ice:
>>
>>[ ices]$ bin/ices -F ~uo/dilated.txt -P *****
>>Logfile opened
>>Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
>>Playing /export/mp3/My Music/Rawkus/Lyricist Lounge 2/Dilated Peoples -
>>Right and Exact.mp3
>>Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: Libshout
>>socket error.
>>Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
>>Ices Exiting...
>>Ices Exiting...
>>
>>the icecast server states that the source signed of (killed itself)..
>>using ices 0.2.3
>>icecast 1.3.12
>>libshout 1.0.9
>>K
>>
>>
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From wcarroll at carolina.rr.com  Tue May 14 03:48:30 2002
From: wcarroll at carolina.rr.com (Wade Carroll)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 23:48:30 -0400
Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
In-Reply-To: <3CE061ED.4070509@waitrose.com>
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Good luck with that.

Actually I didn't mean log.  I meant the icecast console itself.  If it's in
the right console mode (2?) it will display everything that's happening and
any error messages.  Seems like the log only shows uptime info by default.

Any ol' how, i think i've exhausted my in-depth technical prowess ;-)

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
MR I
Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:02 PM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [icecast] error with libshout

<p>thanks...
Icecast doesn't log this problem.
the icecast.log file (icecast.log) hasn't been updated for some time
only the stats.* and useage.log have changed

<p>Wade Carroll wrote:

>I don't know what's happening there.  Thought maybe it was a mp3 file (I've
>had troubles with certain mp3s).
>
>Check your messages log in icecast (you can change the message detail with
>the console mode I believe).
>You might be getting a bad password or something on the icecast side and by
>looking at ices just seeing this error.
>Could be a bad port# ?
>
>Wish I could be of more help.
>
>Wade
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
>MR I
>Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:47 PM
>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: Re: [icecast] error with libshout
>
>
>all.. any list. can play mp3 with other apps.
>more info:
>OS :rh7.2 on intel i686
>
>Wade Carroll wrote:
>
>
>
>>Does this only occur with that one mp3 file or all?
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
>>MR I
>>Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:02 PM
>>To: icecast at xiph.org
>>Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
>>
>>
>>can't find help on this anywhere!
>>
>>using ice get error message from ice:
>>
>>[ ices]$ bin/ices -F ~uo/dilated.txt -P *****
>>Logfile opened
>>Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
>>Playing /export/mp3/My Music/Rawkus/Lyricist Lounge 2/Dilated Peoples -
>>Right and Exact.mp3
>>Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: Libshout
>>socket error.
>>Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
>>Ices Exiting...
>>Ices Exiting...
>>
>>the icecast server states that the source signed of (killed itself)..
>>using ices 0.2.3
>>icecast 1.3.12
>>libshout 1.0.9
>>K
>>
>>
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From enigmax at netzero.com  Tue May 14 04:34:39 2002
From: enigmax at netzero.com (Nicolae)
Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 21:34:39 -0700
Subject: [icecast] OS / Installation Limitations and such..
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I tried installing iceCast which I did and sort of not completed the
task.

I have a bare Cobalt RAQ 4 (SUN) system where this is just a "web
appliance" server.
No XWindows, no GUI no nothing.  All shell.

I am using the server as a Bouncer.  Broadcast from Home (Win2K Server)
to the server
@ 128k than go from there at a faster / larger bandwidth.

Is there anything I can install in order for USER TO QUE OR REQUESTS
songs online?


---
After reading.  There are perl scripts that I can install on my WINDOWS
MACHINE
via IIS than control the server there while the stream is comming from
elsewhere.

I don't see how I can load a web server with gigs of music.  Would it be
wiser
to just add another 80 gig to the server I am getting and dump all mp3s
in one
directory and let IceCast do the rest.  That way if I shut down the
stream won't.

It's all remote and such.

P.S. One last question.  Why isn't many using IceCast.  Everyone uses
ShoutCast.
Based on what I read, shoutcast uses more memory, IceCast does less.  I
also
noticed that IceCast supports other formats.  (Which via shoutcast) you
can actually
listen via RealPlayer but not Media Player.  

I am building an OEM server rack and on a major back-bone and would like
to
host 10-15 other streams... any thing I should look out for?

Thanks.

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From: submithYN3eK at ebayland.com (submithYN3eK at ebayland.com)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 02:23:01 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [icecast] ebay users trial product submission QUWjpof-UzCsd-XejA1YC
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From konny at waitrose.com  Tue May 14 13:30:00 2002
From: konny at waitrose.com (MR I)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 14:30:00 +0100
Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
In-Reply-To: <LCEPICPGGJPDFBFLGLGOCEAPCFAA.wcarroll@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3CE11158.7070309@waitrose.com>



so no one else has an idea????

K

Wade Carroll wrote:

>Good luck with that.
>
>Actually I didn't mean log.  I meant the icecast console itself.  If it's in
>the right console mode (2?) it will display everything that's happening and
>any error messages.  Seems like the log only shows uptime info by default.
>
>Any ol' how, i think i've exhausted my in-depth technical prowess ;-)
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
>MR I
>Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:02 PM
>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: Re: [icecast] error with libshout
>
>
>thanks...
>Icecast doesn't log this problem.
>the icecast.log file (icecast.log) hasn't been updated for some time
>only the stats.* and useage.log have changed
>
>
>Wade Carroll wrote:
>
>  
>
>>I don't know what's happening there.  Thought maybe it was a mp3 file (I've
>>had troubles with certain mp3s).
>>
>>Check your messages log in icecast (you can change the message detail with
>>the console mode I believe).
>>You might be getting a bad password or something on the icecast side and by
>>looking at ices just seeing this error.
>>Could be a bad port# ?
>>
>>Wish I could be of more help.
>>
>>Wade
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
>>MR I
>>Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:47 PM
>>To: icecast at xiph.org
>>Subject: Re: [icecast] error with libshout
>>
>>
>>all.. any list. can play mp3 with other apps.
>>more info:
>>OS :rh7.2 on intel i686
>>
>>Wade Carroll wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Does this only occur with that one mp3 file or all?
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
>>>MR I
>>>Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:02 PM
>>>To: icecast at xiph.org
>>>Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
>>>
>>>
>>>can't find help on this anywhere!
>>>
>>>using ice get error message from ice:
>>>
>>>[ ices]$ bin/ices -F ~uo/dilated.txt -P *****
>>>Logfile opened
>>>Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
>>>Playing /export/mp3/My Music/Rawkus/Lyricist Lounge 2/Dilated Peoples -
>>>Right and Exact.mp3
>>>Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: Libshout
>>>socket error.
>>>Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
>>>Ices Exiting...
>>>Ices Exiting...
>>>
>>>the icecast server states that the source signed of (killed itself)..
>>>using ices 0.2.3
>>>icecast 1.3.12
>>>libshout 1.0.9
>>>K
>>>
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Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:31:10 +0100
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From tigran at usanogh.com  Wed May 15 04:10:14 2002
From: tigran at usanogh.com (Tigran)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 21:10:14 -0700
Subject: [icecast] icecast hosting
Message-ID: <4.2.2.20020514205200.01f65780@merlin.jpl.nasa.gov>



I'm looking for a starting hosting service.

I'd like to start my online radio station but don't want to pay hundreds of 
dollars.

I don't need many streams maybe about 10 just to start with.

Is there an inexpensive provider out there?

Thanks

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From thomas at arkena.com  Wed May 15 05:19:50 2002
From: thomas at arkena.com (Thomas Kirk)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 07:19:50 +0200
Subject: [icecast] icecast hosting
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020514205200.01f65780@merlin.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <20020515051950.GA13816@thomas.arkena.com>



On Tue, May 14, 2002 at 09:10:14PM -0700, Tigran wrote:

> I'm looking for a starting hosting service.
> 
> I'd like to start my online radio station but don't want to pay hundreds of 
> dollars.
> 
> I don't need many streams maybe about 10 just to start with.
> 
> Is there an inexpensive provider out there?

We provide hosting. Wether we are inexpensive or not is up to you to
judge.

Mail me with the details and ill see what i can come up with.


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From enigmax at netzero.com  Wed May 15 05:51:04 2002
From: enigmax at netzero.com (Nicolae)
Date: Tue, 14 May 2002 22:51:04 -0700
Subject: [icecast] icecast hosting
In-Reply-To: <4.2.2.20020514205200.01f65780@merlin.jpl.nasa.gov>
Message-ID: <000001c1fbd4$80767550$570a1b42@enigma>



Broadcasting is very cheap.  It's you that needs to be up and ready.

You area looking at about $1.00 per stream @ 80ks or more.

Meaning that if you have 30 users connected, you are looking at about
30$/month.

You broadcast from your home DSL or cable to the server/bounce off
the server and broadcast to 30 people.

You would not be able to do that from your house so you need a bouncer.

Shop around... check out www.webhostingtalk.com

I am paying $150/month for dedicated server and the downside is the
bandwidth....  IT'S ALL ABOUT bandwidth, bandwidth and one more time!
the BANDWIDTH!

You can be running a small Pentium 400mhz with 500mb ram slim 1u 
server but if you got the bandwidth you are set.  

One piece of advice.... DO YOUR RESEARCH... dont' just jump in.


--
mp3bynet.com

<p><p>> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] 
> On Behalf Of Tigran
> Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 9:10 PM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: [icecast] icecast hosting
> 
> 
> I'm looking for a starting hosting service.
> 
> I'd like to start my online radio station but don't want to 
> pay hundreds of 
> dollars.
> 
> I don't need many streams maybe about 10 just to start with.
> 
> Is there an inexpensive provider out there?
> 
> Thanks
> 
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From rsteding at tecwise.com  Wed May 15 07:12:22 2002
From: rsteding at tecwise.com (Raymond)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 00:12:22 -0700
Subject: [icecast] icecast hosting
In-Reply-To: <000001c1fbd4$80767550$570a1b42@enigma>
Message-ID: <3CE20A56.7CA1B6FF@tecwise.com>



30 streams at 1dollar = 30 dollars.
30 times 80 = 2,400 kbps upstream
2,400 kbps upstream for $30

Where the hell do you find those deals? I'm interested too.

I probably am not interpreting you message correctly. Please clarify.

Raymond

Nicolae wrote:

> Broadcasting is very cheap.  It's you that needs to be up and ready.
>
> You area looking at about $1.00 per stream @ 80ks or more.
>
> Meaning that if you have 30 users connected, you are looking at about
> 30$/month.
>
> You broadcast from your home DSL or cable to the server/bounce off
> the server and broadcast to 30 people.
>
> You would not be able to do that from your house so you need a bouncer.
>
> Shop around... check out www.webhostingtalk.com
>
> I am paying $150/month for dedicated server and the downside is the
> bandwidth....  IT'S ALL ABOUT bandwidth, bandwidth and one more time!
> the BANDWIDTH!
>
> You can be running a small Pentium 400mhz with 500mb ram slim 1u
> server but if you got the bandwidth you are set.
>
> One piece of advice.... DO YOUR RESEARCH... dont' just jump in.
>
> --
> mp3bynet.com
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]
> > On Behalf Of Tigran
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 9:10 PM
> > To: icecast at xiph.org
> > Subject: [icecast] icecast hosting
> >
> >
> > I'm looking for a starting hosting service.
> >
> > I'd like to start my online radio station but don't want to
> > pay hundreds of
> > dollars.
> >
> > I don't need many streams maybe about 10 just to start with.
> >
> > Is there an inexpensive provider out there?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> >
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From enigmax at netzero.com  Wed May 15 19:24:12 2002
From: enigmax at netzero.com (Nicolae)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 12:24:12 -0700
Subject: [icecast] icecast hosting
In-Reply-To: <3CE20A56.7CA1B6FF@tecwise.com>
Message-ID: <000401c1fc46$21bb7c50$570a1b42@enigma>



The rate I might be off.. as in 80kb but I was hit and I was about
to go with a $1/stream.

What I have to take in consideration is the "charge" per gigabyte
transfer/month.  If "I/MY" server goes over 60gigs per month or 100
I have to pay.  If that happens I have to charge more per stream
1-2$ or so.  I am putting a server on a OC3 / OC 12 line.  I will
eventually try to test see it's capacity and give out free relay streams
or dirt cheap.

No comes the point.. only few hours.. etc..etc..  But if you were
to buy streams, you buy 30, 20 or 10 streams and it's always there
for you.  They will take that in consideration that you will stream
20 streams x 24 hours x days in the month and @ etc bit rate.  I would
reserve that and anything more than 20 users the extra will get kicked
or unconnected.  If you are up and running from the source (home / cable
modem
dsl modem) that is up to you ... 

right now I am on T-x (1 , 2 and 3) and the bandwidth sucks.. I can only
stream
@ 80Kbs or less and cannot handle that many because there are about 40
other
virtual sites and clients using the bandwidth.  I might be one of very
very few
that actually uses the bandwidth to broadcast.

Go here: http://www.digitallyimported.com/ and talk to forum, talk to
webmaster
or check out what they use, how much they pay.   They are the biggest
radio
station on shoutcast servers.  They are *huge*

I noticed that there is no money in "web" hosting but there is more in
Radio
broadcasting and more revenue.  I might turn my new upcomming server
into a 
broadcasting server.  


--
www.mp3bynet.com

<p><p><p><p>> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] 
> On Behalf Of Raymond
> Sent: Wednesday, May 15, 2002 12:12 AM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: Re: [icecast] icecast hosting
> 
> 
> 30 streams at 1dollar = 30 dollars.
> 30 times 80 = 2,400 kbps upstream
> 2,400 kbps upstream for $30
> 
> Where the hell do you find those deals? I'm interested too.
> 
> I probably am not interpreting you message correctly. Please clarify.
> 
> Raymond
> 
> Nicolae wrote:
> 
> > Broadcasting is very cheap.  It's you that needs to be up and ready.
> >
> > You area looking at about $1.00 per stream @ 80ks or more.
> >
> > Meaning that if you have 30 users connected, you are 
> looking at about 
> > 30$/month.
> >
> > You broadcast from your home DSL or cable to the 
> server/bounce off the 
> > server and broadcast to 30 people.
> >
> > You would not be able to do that from your house so you need a 
> > bouncer.
> >
> > Shop around... check out www.webhostingtalk.com
> >
> > I am paying $150/month for dedicated server and the downside is the 
> > bandwidth....  IT'S ALL ABOUT bandwidth, bandwidth and one 
> more time! 
> > the BANDWIDTH!
> >
> > You can be running a small Pentium 400mhz with 500mb ram slim 1u 
> > server but if you got the bandwidth you are set.
> >
> > One piece of advice.... DO YOUR RESEARCH... dont' just jump in.
> >
> > --
> > mp3bynet.com
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] On 
> > > Behalf Of Tigran
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 14, 2002 9:10 PM
> > > To: icecast at xiph.org
> > > Subject: [icecast] icecast hosting
> > >
> > >
> > > I'm looking for a starting hosting service.
> > >
> > > I'd like to start my online radio station but don't want to pay 
> > > hundreds of dollars.
> > >
> > > I don't need many streams maybe about 10 just to start with.
> > >
> > > Is there an inexpensive provider out there?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
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From mlyle at phoenix.lyle.org  Thu May 16 04:44:47 2002
From: mlyle at phoenix.lyle.org (mlyle at phoenix.lyle.org)
Date: Wed, 15 May 2002 21:44:47 -0700
Subject: [icecast] icecast hosting
In-Reply-To: <000401c1fc46$21bb7c50$570a1b42@enigma>
Message-ID: <20020515214447.A16564@phoenix.lyle.org>



On Wed, May 15, 2002 at 12:24:12PM -0700, Nicolae wrote:
> What I have to take in consideration is the "charge" per gigabyte
> transfer/month.  If "I/MY" server goes over 60gigs per month or 100
> I have to pay.  If that happens I have to charge more per stream
> 1-2$ or so.  I am putting a server on a OC3 / OC 12 line.  I will
> eventually try to test see it's capacity and give out free relay streams

Keep in mind 60GB/month is only 185kbit/second.. e.g. only slightly
more than 2 80kbps users on 24/7.  (maybe not even slightly more
after TCP overhead etc is accounted for).

Mike

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From konny at waitrose.com  Thu May 16 08:09:30 2002
From: konny at waitrose.com (MR I)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 09:09:30 +0100
Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
In-Reply-To: <3CE11158.7070309@waitrose.com>
Message-ID: <3CE3693A.1010309@waitrose.com>



what kind of user group is this if there is no support within it?
K

<p>MR I wrote:

> so no one else has an idea????
>
> K
>
> Wade Carroll wrote:
>
>> Good luck with that.
>>
>> Actually I didn't mean log.  I meant the icecast console itself.  If 
>> it's in
>> the right console mode (2?) it will display everything that's 
>> happening and
>> any error messages.  Seems like the log only shows uptime info by 
>> default.
>>
>> Any ol' how, i think i've exhausted my in-depth technical prowess ;-)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
>> MR I
>> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:02 PM
>> To: icecast at xiph.org
>> Subject: Re: [icecast] error with libshout
>>
>>
>> thanks...
>> Icecast doesn't log this problem.
>> the icecast.log file (icecast.log) hasn't been updated for some time
>> only the stats.* and useage.log have changed
>>
>>
>> Wade Carroll wrote:
>>
>>  
>>
>>> I don't know what's happening there.  Thought maybe it was a mp3 
>>> file (I've
>>> had troubles with certain mp3s).
>>>
>>> Check your messages log in icecast (you can change the message 
>>> detail with
>>> the console mode I believe).
>>> You might be getting a bad password or something on the icecast side 
>>> and by
>>> looking at ices just seeing this error.
>>> Could be a bad port# ?
>>>
>>> Wish I could be of more help.
>>>
>>> Wade
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On 
>>> Behalf Of
>>> MR I
>>> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:47 PM
>>> To: icecast at xiph.org
>>> Subject: Re: [icecast] error with libshout
>>>
>>>
>>> all.. any list. can play mp3 with other apps.
>>> more info:
>>> OS :rh7.2 on intel i686
>>>
>>> Wade Carroll wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>   
>>>
>>>> Does this only occur with that one mp3 file or all?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On 
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> MR I
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:02 PM
>>>> To: icecast at xiph.org
>>>> Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> can't find help on this anywhere!
>>>>
>>>> using ice get error message from ice:
>>>>
>>>> [ ices]$ bin/ices -F ~uo/dilated.txt -P *****
>>>> Logfile opened
>>>> Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
>>>> Playing /export/mp3/My Music/Rawkus/Lyricist Lounge 2/Dilated 
>>>> Peoples -
>>>> Right and Exact.mp3
>>>> Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: 
>>>> Libshout
>>>> socket error.
>>>> Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
>>>> Ices Exiting...
>>>> Ices Exiting...
>>>>
>>>> the icecast server states that the source signed of (killed itself)..
>>>> using ices 0.2.3
>>>> icecast 1.3.12
>>>> libshout 1.0.9
>>>> K
>>>>
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From portunus at portunus.net.nz  Thu May 16 10:46:22 2002
From: portunus at portunus.net.nz (Ben Yeldon)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 22:46:22 +1200
Subject: [icecast] Icecast occasionally not dropping aliased/relayed sources
Message-ID: <3CE436BE.17608.1026AD8@localhost>



Hello,

At the university I work at, we are running Icecast 1.3.12 under FreeBSD 4.5.  
There are 2 sources being fed from another local machine as well as 13 
aliased sources which come from an ISP owned by our upstream bandwidth 
provider.  These are mostly 128kbit with a few 192kbit streams.

The majority of the time it works fine, however occasionally I notice that the 
external stream is not dropped when there is noone listening to it.  If I look at 
the list.cgi page it shows the source streams connected with 0 listeners 
each.  If I use the admin interface to disconnect those streams that works 
fine, but any future people that listen will cause the streams to remain 
connected when they disconnect it.  Killing and restarting icecast is the only 
way I've found to solve this problem.

kick_relays in icecast.conf is currently set to 10 - I've tried changing this but it 
doesn't seem to fix the problem I've been having.

I'm running it on an old Dual Pentium 100 so I've had to define OPTIMIZE and 
SAVE_CPU in icecast.h.  Having done this means I can serve about 60 
listeners before the CPU utilisation gets too high which is enough for our 
needs.

If noone has heard of this before I could temporarily move icecast onto a more 
powerful box with a similar setup of FreeBSD so I can enable debugging if it 
would help give a clue as to where the problem is.

I'm sorry this description is pretty vague - I've had this problem on and off for 2 
months now and I've tried to figure out some sort of pattern to do with clients 
connecting, sources, number of listeners or any common events but can't 
seem to find anything obvious.

Many thanks for any help anyone can give me with this.

Ben.

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From wcarroll at carolina.rr.com  Thu May 16 21:02:09 2002
From: wcarroll at carolina.rr.com (Wade Carroll)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 17:02:09 -0400
Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
In-Reply-To: <3CE3693A.1010309@waitrose.com>
Message-ID: <LCEPICPGGJPDFBFLGLGOGECKCFAA.wcarroll@carolina.rr.com>



I've had the same issue.  Must not be many subscribers or they've moved on
to some other list.

I switched to the linux Shoutcast for my server (much more reliable) and am
looking for a replacement for ices that reliably re-encodes VBR.  Let me
know if you find anything.

BTW...maybe if you posted your config files for ices and icecast i could
compare it with mine (or my old one for icecast).

Wade

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MR I
Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 4:10 AM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [icecast] error with libshout

<p>what kind of user group is this if there is no support within it?
K

<p>MR I wrote:

> so no one else has an idea????
>
> K
>
> Wade Carroll wrote:
>
>> Good luck with that.
>>
>> Actually I didn't mean log.  I meant the icecast console itself.  If
>> it's in
>> the right console mode (2?) it will display everything that's
>> happening and
>> any error messages.  Seems like the log only shows uptime info by
>> default.
>>
>> Any ol' how, i think i've exhausted my in-depth technical prowess ;-)
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
>> MR I
>> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:02 PM
>> To: icecast at xiph.org
>> Subject: Re: [icecast] error with libshout
>>
>>
>> thanks...
>> Icecast doesn't log this problem.
>> the icecast.log file (icecast.log) hasn't been updated for some time
>> only the stats.* and useage.log have changed
>>
>>
>> Wade Carroll wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> I don't know what's happening there.  Thought maybe it was a mp3
>>> file (I've
>>> had troubles with certain mp3s).
>>>
>>> Check your messages log in icecast (you can change the message
>>> detail with
>>> the console mode I believe).
>>> You might be getting a bad password or something on the icecast side
>>> and by
>>> looking at ices just seeing this error.
>>> Could be a bad port# ?
>>>
>>> Wish I could be of more help.
>>>
>>> Wade
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On
>>> Behalf Of
>>> MR I
>>> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:47 PM
>>> To: icecast at xiph.org
>>> Subject: Re: [icecast] error with libshout
>>>
>>>
>>> all.. any list. can play mp3 with other apps.
>>> more info:
>>> OS :rh7.2 on intel i686
>>>
>>> Wade Carroll wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Does this only occur with that one mp3 file or all?
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On
>>>> Behalf Of
>>>> MR I
>>>> Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:02 PM
>>>> To: icecast at xiph.org
>>>> Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> can't find help on this anywhere!
>>>>
>>>> using ice get error message from ice:
>>>>
>>>> [ ices]$ bin/ices -F ~uo/dilated.txt -P *****
>>>> Logfile opened
>>>> Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
>>>> Playing /export/mp3/My Music/Rawkus/Lyricist Lounge 2/Dilated
>>>> Peoples -
>>>> Right and Exact.mp3
>>>> Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting:
>>>> Libshout
>>>> socket error.
>>>> Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
>>>> Ices Exiting...
>>>> Ices Exiting...
>>>>
>>>> the icecast server states that the source signed of (killed itself)..
>>>> using ices 0.2.3
>>>> icecast 1.3.12
>>>> libshout 1.0.9
>>>> K
>>>>
>>>>
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From marquise at ambro.com  Sat May 18 07:23:47 2002
From: marquise at ambro.com (marquise at ambro.com)
Date: Fri, 17 May 2002 21:23:47 -1000
Subject: [icecast] Bachelor’s , Master’s, MBA, or PhD…” Fully recognized based on your knowledge and life experience!!!
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From daniel24 at aol.com  Sat May 18 02:12:40 2002
From: daniel24 at aol.com (daniel24 at aol.com)
Date: Sat May 18 02:12:40 2002
Subject: [icecast] good idea!
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hello

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From wcarroll at carolina.rr.com  Sat May 18 16:31:02 2002
From: wcarroll at carolina.rr.com (Wade Carroll)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 12:31:02 -0400
Subject: [icecast] what's happening here?
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Why is it that this list is so inactive?  And what's with all the spam?

Is there another list that has more folks on it?

Wade

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From enigmax at netzero.com  Sat May 18 19:11:00 2002
From: enigmax at netzero.com (Nicolae)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 12:11:00 -0700
Subject: [icecast] what's happening here?
In-Reply-To: <LCEPICPGGJPDFBFLGLGOMEDJCFAA.wcarroll@carolina.rr.com>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] 
> On Behalf Of Wade Carroll
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:31 AM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: [icecast] what's happening here?
> 
> 
> Why is it that this list is so inactive?  And what's with all 
> the spam?
> 
> Is there another list that has more folks on it?
> 
> Wade
> 

Because the aren't many users here, the list is not monitored,
no rules... I guess IceCast as not as big as I thought... and
infested by bunch of lamers that like to take advantage of it
to advertise.

I have procmail installed and erases 90% of the list becuase
they are flagged down by spammers.

I haven't had the time to UNSUBSCRIBE because it's useless.
You get more help from google.com than this list.


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From dave at jetcafe.org  Sat May 18 20:01:05 2002
From: dave at jetcafe.org (Dave Hayes)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 13:01:05 -0700
Subject: [icecast] what's happening here?
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] what's happening here?>
Message-ID: <200205182001.g4IK1Ab95665@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org>



"e" == enigmax  <Nicolae> writes:
> I haven't had the time to UNSUBSCRIBE because it's useless.
> You get more help from google.com than this list.

I wouldn't say that myself, I've gotten tons of help from 
this list in the past. Of course, I usually check google.com
before going to this list, so maybe my usage pattern doesn't
quite match. =)
------
Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave at jetcafe.org 
>>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<<

Never put off until tomorrow what you can do today.  There
might be a law against it by that time.

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From gavin at raha.com  Sat May 18 20:08:08 2002
From: gavin at raha.com (Gavin White)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 23:08:08 +0300
Subject: [icecast] what's happening here?
In-Reply-To: <000001c1fe9f$bfebc780$570a1b42@enigma>
Message-ID: <OHEMLANCNFKPBOHAFNCOGELKCCAA.gavin@raha.com>



My dog has three corners,
three corners has my dog.

<p>-----Original Message-----
From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
Nicolae
Sent: 18 May 2002 22:11
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: RE: [icecast] what's happening here?

<p><p><p>> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] 
> On Behalf Of Wade Carroll
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:31 AM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: [icecast] what's happening here?
> 
> 
> Why is it that this list is so inactive?  And what's with all 
> the spam?
> 
> Is there another list that has more folks on it?
> 
> Wade
> 

Because the aren't many users here, the list is not monitored,
no rules... I guess IceCast as not as big as I thought... and
infested by bunch of lamers that like to take advantage of it
to advertise.

I have procmail installed and erases 90% of the list becuase
they are flagged down by spammers.

I haven't had the time to UNSUBSCRIBE because it's useless.
You get more help from google.com than this list.


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From gluis at alsuites.com  Sun May 19 17:26:38 2002
From: gluis at alsuites.com (Luis M. Gallardo D.)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:26:38 -0400
Subject: [icecast] what's happening here?
In-Reply-To: <000001c1fe9f$bfebc780$570a1b42@enigma>
Message-ID: <3CE7E04E.9080402@alsuites.com>



Nicolae wrote:
> 
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] 
>>On Behalf Of Wade Carroll
>>Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:31 AM
>>To: icecast at xiph.org
>>Subject: [icecast] what's happening here?
>>
>>
>>Why is it that this list is so inactive?  And what's with all 
>>the spam?
>>
>>Is there another list that has more folks on it?
>>
>>Wade
>>
>>
> 
> Because the aren't many users here, the list is not monitored,
> no rules... I guess IceCast as not as big as I thought... and
> infested by bunch of lamers that like to take advantage of it
> to advertise.

I think IceCast mustn't to be big. That cares is it's open source and 
that you can find well-disposed people that expect nothing back for 
helping others.

<p>> 
> --
> Daniel
> www.mp3bynet.com

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From jim at lateral.net  Sun May 19 00:18:36 2002
From: jim at lateral.net (Jim Bailey)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 01:18:36 +0100
Subject: [icecast] what's happening here?
In-Reply-To: <200205182001.g4IK1Ab95665@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org>
Message-ID: <20020519001836.GA3044@mumia.lateral.net>



On Sat, May 18, 2002 at 01:01:05PM -0700, Dave Hayes wrote:
> "e" == enigmax  <Nicolae> writes:
> > I haven't had the time to UNSUBSCRIBE because it's useless.
> > You get more help from google.com than this list.
> 
> I wouldn't say that myself, I've gotten tons of help from 
> this list in the past. Of course, I usually check google.com
> before going to this list, so maybe my usage pattern doesn't
> quite match. =)

I would agree with Dave, though last few months since the security holes
were found the list seems to of quietened down a lot.  Maybe the big
boys are busy working on a new version or prahaps the rumours are true
and they have gone to work on shoutcast.  I am not sure where I picked
up the later if it not true please feel free to flame me.

Don't forget as well there are a lot of things going down over the DMCA,
EUCD and other stuff at the moment.

Peace Jim

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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Sun May 19 02:59:40 2002
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (Moritz Grimm)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 04:59:40 +0200
Subject: [icecast] what's happening here?
In-Reply-To: <20020519001836.GA3044@mumia.lateral.net>
Message-ID: <3CE7151C.F437A170@gmx.net>



Jim Bailey wrote:
> were found the list seems to of quietened down a lot.  Maybe the big
> boys are busy working on a new version or prahaps the rumours are true
> and they have gone to work on shoutcast.  I am not sure where I picked
> up the later if it not true please feel free to flame me.

*flame* :)

Courious, how rumors like this can come up. Icecast1 doesn't get much
attention any more, just necessary fixes like the security issues
lately. Icecast2 is now in developement, which is much better and secure
by design already. That, and Ogg Vorbis is keeping the developers busy,
I suppose.

I guess someone just noticed icecast.org not being that up-to-date and
assumed that "they must be working elsewhere". Right, just not on
Shoutcast and apparently not on the website either. If you want to know
exactly what's going on, subscribe to cvs at xiph.org. That mailing list is
one big changelog.

If you want to try out what's currently in the making, go to
www.xiph.org/cvs.html, read how to fetch sources from their CVS
repository, get the icecast module, read the file HACKING in icecast/
and follow the instructions. (Same applies to ices2, and you'll also
need libshout from CVS, at least that's how I do it.)

Also, Oddsock has ported and compiled Icecast2 as a win32 binary and
offers it for everyone to test on http://www.oddsock.org/icecast2/ .
Comfy Ogg streaming with Winamp or XMMS as the source is also done with
a tool from Oddsock: http://www.oddsock.org/tools/dsp_oddcast/

This all is still quite a hassle, but definitely worth the efforts.
Icecast2 works perfectly for my puny once-in-a-while streaming and it
has proven to work for big streamers like BBC, too. Icecast1 is obsolete
for me now, especially since Winamp has now native support for playing
Ogg streams. No I'm-lazy-argument works anymore for the victims of my
1-Listener-Only-Stream ... ;)

<p>Moritz

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From gavin at raha.com  Sat May 18 20:20:28 2002
From: gavin at raha.com (Gavin White)
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 23:20:28 +0300
Subject: [icecast] what's happening here?
In-Reply-To: <OHEMLANCNFKPBOHAFNCOGELKCCAA.gavin@raha.com>
Message-ID: <OHEMLANCNFKPBOHAFNCOMELKCCAA.gavin@raha.com>



If it did not have three corners,
it would not be my dog.

<p>-----Original Message-----
From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
Gavin White
Sent: 18 May 2002 23:08
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: RE: [icecast] what's happening here?

<p>My dog has three corners,
three corners has my dog.

<p>-----Original Message-----
From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
Nicolae
Sent: 18 May 2002 22:11
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: RE: [icecast] what's happening here?

<p><p><p>> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] 
> On Behalf Of Wade Carroll
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 9:31 AM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: [icecast] what's happening here?
> 
> 
> Why is it that this list is so inactive?  And what's with all 
> the spam?
> 
> Is there another list that has more folks on it?
> 
> Wade
> 

Because the aren't many users here, the list is not monitored,
no rules... I guess IceCast as not as big as I thought... and
infested by bunch of lamers that like to take advantage of it
to advertise.

I have procmail installed and erases 90% of the list becuase
they are flagged down by spammers.

I haven't had the time to UNSUBSCRIBE because it's useless.
You get more help from google.com than this list.


--
Daniel
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From jim at lateral.net  Sun May 19 05:49:54 2002
From: jim at lateral.net (Jim Bailey)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 06:49:54 +0100
Subject: [icecast] what's happening here?
In-Reply-To: <3CE7151C.F437A170@gmx.net>
Message-ID: <20020519054954.GB3044@mumia.lateral.net>



On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 04:59:40AM +0200, Moritz Grimm wrote:
> 
> *flame* :)
> 
> Courious, how rumors like this can come up. Icecast1 doesn't get much
> attention any more, just necessary fixes like the security issues
> lately. Icecast2 is now in developement, which is much better and secure
> by design already. That, and Ogg Vorbis is keeping the developers busy,
> I suppose.
>
I stand pleased to be humbled and admonished, I honestly can not
remember where i heard it from but I figured for at least my own
knowledge I would ask if it was true. If I hear it again, I will do my
best to lay that one to rest.

> I guess someone just noticed icecast.org not being that up-to-date and
> assumed that "they must be working elsewhere". Right, just not on
> Shoutcast and apparently not on the website either. If you want to know
> exactly what's going on, subscribe to cvs at xiph.org. That mailing list is
> one big changelog.

If that is where the action is I will join, though it maybe a fact that
I am comming to the end of a long shift that I can not see a link on
Xiph's mailing list page.

Peace Jim

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From jim at lateral.net  Sun May 19 08:50:11 2002
From: jim at lateral.net (Jim Bailey)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 09:50:11 +0100
Subject: [icecast] OT spammers was Re:what's happening here?
In-Reply-To: <OHEMLANCNFKPBOHAFNCOGELKCCAA.gavin@raha.com>
Message-ID: <20020519085011.GA6300@mumia.lateral.net>



On Sat, May 18, 2002 at 11:08:08PM +0300, Gavin White wrote:
> 
> Because the aren't many users here, the list is not monitored,
> no rules... I guess IceCast as not as big as I thought... and
> infested by bunch of lamers that like to take advantage of it
> to advertise.
>
Since it is Sunday and I am in a good mood, I will presume from your
languague and attitude that you are not an evil spammer but are a
young troll out for sport.  Gavin do you know what an smtp header is
this is part of yours from the mail you sent the list.

Received: by motherfish.xiph.org (Postfix)
        id 9E09C18D075; Sat, 18 May 2002 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT)
Delivered-To: icecast-outgoing at xiph.org
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From: "Gavin White" <gavin at raha.com>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Subject: RE: [icecast] what's happening here?
Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 23:08:08 +0300
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One thing I really like is the way it even tells me the build of your
mail client.  This of course is before I start using tools like whois
and dig to find out your networks contact details.  

The really frightening thing is I have only been a sys admin for a year
and consider myself to be nothing more than a newbie made good.  I don't
know who said it but there is a quote about there being no such thing as
privacy on the internet, I think this proves it.

I don't think I have broken any netiquette rules with this and I
apologies to all if I have but there is enough nastiness in this world
without it spread to some of the things I hold dear such as Free
Software and beautiful music.

Peace Jim

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From gavin at raha.com  Sun May 19 10:47:03 2002
From: gavin at raha.com (Gavin White)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:47:03 +0300
Subject: [icecast] OT spammers was Re:what's happening here?
In-Reply-To: <20020519085011.GA6300@mumia.lateral.net>
Message-ID: <008101c1ff22$85c5d3b0$e23829c4@ghome>



Ahah.

I will end this here.

I misread the newsgroup address on the original 'what's happening here',
assuming it was for the vox group, which encourages idle rubbish.  I hit
reply, and believed I was mailing to this group.  I apologise for wasting
the bandwidth if icecast group members with such things.

This is also why I did not hide my headers.  If you like, mail me off-list
and I will also supply you with any details you wish to know.

I have found this group (icecast) to be particularly useful, as is any group
made up of specialists in a particular subject.  Keep up the good work!

<p>----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bailey" <jim at lateral.net>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: [icecast] OT spammers was Re:what's happening here?

<p>> On Sat, May 18, 2002 at 11:08:08PM +0300, Gavin White wrote:
> >
> > Because the aren't many users here, the list is not monitored,
> > no rules... I guess IceCast as not as big as I thought... and
> > infested by bunch of lamers that like to take advantage of it
> > to advertise.
> >
> Since it is Sunday and I am in a good mood, I will presume from your
> languague and attitude that you are not an evil spammer but are a
> young troll out for sport.  Gavin do you know what an smtp header is
> this is part of yours from the mail you sent the list.
>
> Received: by motherfish.xiph.org (Postfix)
>         id 9E09C18D075; Sat, 18 May 2002 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT)
> Delivered-To: icecast-outgoing at xiph.org
> Received: by motherfish.xiph.org (Postfix, from userid 30)
>         id 8A39018D076; Sat, 18 May 2002 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT)
> Delivered-To: icecast at xiph.org
> Received: from mail.raha.com (mail.raha.com [196.41.32.2])
>         by motherfish.xiph.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B944518D075
>         for <icecast at xiph.org>; Sat, 18 May 2002 12:09:17 -0700 (PDT)
> Received: from GAVINLAP (ws028.startelecom.net [196.41.41.28])
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>           for <icecast at xiph.org>; Sat, 18 May 2002 23:08:37 +0300
> From: "Gavin White" <gavin at raha.com>
> To: <icecast at xiph.org>
> Subject: RE: [icecast] what's happening here?
> Date: Sat, 18 May 2002 23:08:08 +0300
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>
> One thing I really like is the way it even tells me the build of your
> mail client.  This of course is before I start using tools like whois
> and dig to find out your networks contact details.
>
> The really frightening thing is I have only been a sys admin for a year
> and consider myself to be nothing more than a newbie made good.  I don't
> know who said it but there is a quote about there being no such thing as
> privacy on the internet, I think this proves it.
>
> I don't think I have broken any netiquette rules with this and I
> apologies to all if I have but there is enough nastiness in this world
> without it spread to some of the things I hold dear such as Free
> Software and beautiful music.
>
> Peace Jim
>
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From wcarroll at carolina.rr.com  Sun May 19 11:51:33 2002
From: wcarroll at carolina.rr.com (Wade Carroll)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 07:51:33 -0400
Subject: [icecast] OT spammers was Re:what's happening here?
In-Reply-To: <008101c1ff22$85c5d3b0$e23829c4@ghome>
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I appreciate everyone's response.  It's glad to see there are others out
there...

However, I still have seen a number of posts that have gone unanswered and
some frustrated users (keyword: users) such as myself.

Currently my issues are:
Unable to start icecast from init.d (error: "You can run, but you can't
hide" repeatedly output until it almost crashes my box)

Unable to reliably re-encode VBR for my ices source.  Crashes frequently.
My understanding is that this is on the TODO list.  I'm just wondering if
there's an alternative console based source that will work ok.

Any help would be appreciated.

Wade
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
Gavin White
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 6:47 AM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: Re: [icecast] OT spammers was Re:what's happening here?

<p>Ahah.

I will end this here.

I misread the newsgroup address on the original 'what's happening here',
assuming it was for the vox group, which encourages idle rubbish.  I hit
reply, and believed I was mailing to this group.  I apologise for wasting
the bandwidth if icecast group members with such things.

This is also why I did not hide my headers.  If you like, mail me off-list
and I will also supply you with any details you wish to know.

I have found this group (icecast) to be particularly useful, as is any group
made up of specialists in a particular subject.  Keep up the good work!

<p>----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Bailey" <jim at lateral.net>
To: <icecast at xiph.org>
Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 11:50 AM
Subject: [icecast] OT spammers was Re:what's happening here?

<p>> On Sat, May 18, 2002 at 11:08:08PM +0300, Gavin White wrote:
> >
> > Because the aren't many users here, the list is not monitored,
> > no rules... I guess IceCast as not as big as I thought... and
> > infested by bunch of lamers that like to take advantage of it
> > to advertise.
> >
> Since it is Sunday and I am in a good mood, I will presume from your
> languague and attitude that you are not an evil spammer but are a
> young troll out for sport.  Gavin do you know what an smtp header is
> this is part of yours from the mail you sent the list.
>
> Received: by motherfish.xiph.org (Postfix)
>         id 9E09C18D075; Sat, 18 May 2002 12:09:21 -0700 (PDT)
> Delivered-To: icecast-outgoing at xiph.org
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> Delivered-To: icecast at xiph.org
> Received: from mail.raha.com (mail.raha.com [196.41.32.2])
>         by motherfish.xiph.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B944518D075
>         for <icecast at xiph.org>; Sat, 18 May 2002 12:09:17 -0700 (PDT)
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>           for <icecast at xiph.org>; Sat, 18 May 2002 23:08:37 +0300
> From: "Gavin White" <gavin at raha.com>
> To: <icecast at xiph.org>
> Subject: RE: [icecast] what's happening here?
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>
> One thing I really like is the way it even tells me the build of your
> mail client.  This of course is before I start using tools like whois
> and dig to find out your networks contact details.
>
> The really frightening thing is I have only been a sys admin for a year
> and consider myself to be nothing more than a newbie made good.  I don't
> know who said it but there is a quote about there being no such thing as
> privacy on the internet, I think this proves it.
>
> I don't think I have broken any netiquette rules with this and I
> apologies to all if I have but there is enough nastiness in this world
> without it spread to some of the things I hold dear such as Free
> Software and beautiful music.
>
> Peace Jim
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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Sun May 19 11:54:57 2002
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (Moritz Grimm)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:54:57 +0200
Subject: [icecast] what's happening here?
In-Reply-To: <20020519054954.GB3044@mumia.lateral.net>
Message-ID: <3CE79291.4FCEC2E8@gmx.net>



Jim Bailey wrote:
> > Shoutcast and apparently not on the website either. If you want to know
> > exactly what's going on, subscribe to cvs at xiph.org. That mailing list is
> > one big changelog.
> If that is where the action is I will join, though it maybe a fact that
> I am comming to the end of a long shift that I can not see a link on
> Xiph's mailing list page.

Jah, but that doesn't say it isn't there. Just use the regular way of
subscribing to a majordomo list by sending a mail to majordomo at xiph.org
with "subscribe cvs" (w/o quotes) in the mail body.

Don't expect daily updates on that list, though, not everything the
developers work on gets commited immediately. It's mainly a good hint
for non-developers like me to know when it is time to fetch new sources
from CVS.

<p>Moritz

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From demirt at boun.edu.tr  Sun May 19 11:59:51 2002
From: demirt at boun.edu.tr (Tamer Demir)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:59:51 +0300
Subject: [icecast] OT spammers was Re:what's happening here?
In-Reply-To: <LCEPICPGGJPDFBFLGLGOIEDPCFAA.wcarroll@carolina.rr.com>
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At 14:51 19.05.2002, you wrote:
>Currently my issues are:
>Unable to start icecast from init.d (error: "You can run, but you can't
>hide" repeatedly output until it almost crashes my box)

if you put the below command to /etc/rc.local
/usr/local/icecast/bin/icecast -b

will start icecast in the background...

>Unable to reliably re-encode VBR for my ices source.  Crashes frequently.
>My understanding is that this is on the TODO list.  I'm just wondering if
>there's an alternative console based source that will work ok.
>
>Any help would be appreciated.
>
>Wade

Tamer Demir

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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Sun May 19 12:00:46 2002
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (Moritz Grimm)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 14:00:46 +0200
Subject: [icecast] OT spammers was Re:what's happening here?
In-Reply-To: <LCEPICPGGJPDFBFLGLGOIEDPCFAA.wcarroll@carolina.rr.com>
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Wade Carroll wrote:
> Unable to reliably re-encode VBR for my ices source.  Crashes frequently.
> My understanding is that this is on the TODO list.  I'm just wondering if
> there's an alternative console based source that will work ok.

According to other user's posts, Darkice might do what you want. I don't
know any URLs, so Google will help you further.

<p>Moritz

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From konny at waitrose.com  Sun May 19 17:19:35 2002
From: konny at waitrose.com (MR I)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 18:19:35 +0100
Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
In-Reply-To: <LCEPICPGGJPDFBFLGLGOGECKCFAA.wcarroll@carolina.rr.com>
Message-ID: <3CE7DEA7.5080502@waitrose.com>



thank you Wade.

ince  I've posted this error NOT ONE developer / user (apart from 
yourself) has commented on this!
Strange group.. So fustrating I was I began learning C and mp3 algorithms...
Hope someone will enlighten me before I work out the problem myself 
(sometime next decade)

K

Wade Carroll wrote:

>I've had the same issue.  Must not be many subscribers or they've moved on
>to some other list.
>
>I switched to the linux Shoutcast for my server (much more reliable) and am
>looking for a replacement for ices that reliably re-encodes VBR.  Let me
>know if you find anything.
>
>BTW...maybe if you posted your config files for ices and icecast i could
>compare it with mine (or my old one for icecast).
>
>Wade
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
>MR I
>Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 4:10 AM
>To: icecast at xiph.org
>Subject: Re: [icecast] error with libshout
>
>
>what kind of user group is this if there is no support within it?
>K
>
>
>MR I wrote:
>
>  
>
>>so no one else has an idea????
>>
>>K
>>
>>Wade Carroll wrote:
>>
>>    
>>
>>>Good luck with that.
>>>
>>>Actually I didn't mean log.  I meant the icecast console itself.  If
>>>it's in
>>>the right console mode (2?) it will display everything that's
>>>happening and
>>>any error messages.  Seems like the log only shows uptime info by
>>>default.
>>>
>>>Any ol' how, i think i've exhausted my in-depth technical prowess ;-)
>>>
>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of
>>>MR I
>>>Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 9:02 PM
>>>To: icecast at xiph.org
>>>Subject: Re: [icecast] error with libshout
>>>
>>>
>>>thanks...
>>>Icecast doesn't log this problem.
>>>the icecast.log file (icecast.log) hasn't been updated for some time
>>>only the stats.* and useage.log have changed
>>>
>>>
>>>Wade Carroll wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>      
>>>
>>>>I don't know what's happening there.  Thought maybe it was a mp3
>>>>file (I've
>>>>had troubles with certain mp3s).
>>>>
>>>>Check your messages log in icecast (you can change the message
>>>>detail with
>>>>the console mode I believe).
>>>>You might be getting a bad password or something on the icecast side
>>>>and by
>>>>looking at ices just seeing this error.
>>>>Could be a bad port# ?
>>>>
>>>>Wish I could be of more help.
>>>>
>>>>Wade
>>>>
>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On
>>>>Behalf Of
>>>>MR I
>>>>Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:47 PM
>>>>To: icecast at xiph.org
>>>>Subject: Re: [icecast] error with libshout
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>all.. any list. can play mp3 with other apps.
>>>>more info:
>>>>OS :rh7.2 on intel i686
>>>>
>>>>Wade Carroll wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>
>>>>>Does this only occur with that one mp3 file or all?
>>>>>
>>>>>-----Original Message-----
>>>>>From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On
>>>>>Behalf Of
>>>>>MR I
>>>>>Sent: Monday, May 13, 2002 8:02 PM
>>>>>To: icecast at xiph.org
>>>>>Subject: [icecast] error with libshout
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>can't find help on this anywhere!
>>>>>
>>>>>using ice get error message from ice:
>>>>>
>>>>>[ ices]$ bin/ices -F ~uo/dilated.txt -P *****
>>>>>Logfile opened
>>>>>Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
>>>>>Playing /export/mp3/My Music/Rawkus/Lyricist Lounge 2/Dilated
>>>>>Peoples -
>>>>>Right and Exact.mp3
>>>>>Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting:
>>>>>Libshout
>>>>>socket error.
>>>>>Mounted on http://127.0.0.1:8000/ices
>>>>>Ices Exiting...
>>>>>Ices Exiting...
>>>>>
>>>>>the icecast server states that the source signed of (killed itself)..
>>>>>using ices 0.2.3
>>>>>icecast 1.3.12
>>>>>libshout 1.0.9
>>>>>K
>>>>>
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From Scott.Prive at storigen.com  Sun May 19 19:02:57 2002
From: Scott.Prive at storigen.com (Scott Prive)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 15:02:57 -0400
Subject: [icecast] what's the plans for the website :-)
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was: [icecast] what's happening here?

<p>The list doesn't seem any more stagnant than the website ;-)

Seriously, the lack of current news on the website must have a turning-away effect for curious folks checking www.iccast.org out. There's a recent post from 18 days ago, but there was a "no news" dry spell between August 7 2001 and April 10 2002! During this time I signed up to the list, expecting to discover the project was in stasis (fortunately this is not true).

I could point out some other constructive feedback on the website, but I don't want to sound too critical and I don't know the situation here. Is there a webmaster, and does [s]he need help? For that matter, the website lacks a "help wanted" (available tasks) for those that want to contribute other than in coding & testing.

For the record, I haven't made a second attempt at installing any of the icecast software (it's been months). I stay subscribed because I'm interested, and I take a moment to note what kinds of problems people can have when installing, so I'll have an edge when I try again soon :)

In a nutshell, what are the plans for the website?

Cheers,

Scott Prive

<p>-----Original Message-----
From: Wade Carroll [mailto:wcarroll at carolina.rr.com]
Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 12:31 PM
To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: [icecast] what's happening here?

<p>Why is it that this list is so inactive?  And what's with all the spam?

Is there another list that has more folks on it?

Wade

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From enigmax at netzero.com  Sun May 19 20:14:43 2002
From: enigmax at netzero.com (Nicolae)
Date: Sun, 19 May 2002 13:14:43 -0700
Subject: [icecast] what's the plans for the website :-)
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I've had a server co-located which I would've dedicated it
and given admin access for beta testers, right now i am 
giving it back.  I am / was running shoutcast for few more 
days.

It is very easy to install Ikonboard as a FORUM or vBulletin
or phpBulletin or something where you can get some action
and have some people stay on the site.  I've installed bunch
of those.  Have specific installation and detailed help.

Have print-screens or socal "screenshots" becaues people
love them now thesedays.  They want to see stuff before
they download.

I had an issue awhile back installing ChiliSoft ASP with
myODBC and UltraDev stuff.. (out of subject) but I took
Camtasia Recorder program, recorded and documented the
installation and the way to connect to database from unix
to windows and work on ASp code.  That'd be awesome and
it only took me 15 minutes.

Shoutcast... ou my.. that took me 2 minutes to install it.
After 1 hour of reading and researching on IceCast I gave up.

I have shell access not GUI access and lots of features
on IceCast I can't use.  I want the Server mode like shoutcast
has...

I noticed that RealPlayer plays shoutcast streams along with
mp3 players but not with MEDIA Player. (lame a** M$).


--
Daniel
www.mp3bynet.com

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-icecast at xiph.org [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org] 
> On Behalf Of Scott Prive
> Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 12:03 PM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: [icecast] what's the plans for the website :-)
> 
> 
> was: [icecast] what's happening here?
> 
> 
> The list doesn't seem any more stagnant than the website ;-)
> 
> Seriously, the lack of current news on the website must have 
> a turning-away effect for curious folks checking 
> www.iccast.org out. There's a recent post from 18 days ago, 
> but there was a "no news" dry spell between August 7 2001 and 
> April 10 2002! During this time I signed up to the list, 
> expecting to discover the project was in stasis (fortunately 
> this is not true).
> 
> I could point out some other constructive feedback on the 
> website, but I don't want to sound too critical and I don't 
> know the situation here. Is there a webmaster, and does [s]he 
> need help? For that matter, the website lacks a "help wanted" 
> (available tasks) for those that want to contribute other 
> than in coding & testing.
> 
> For the record, I haven't made a second attempt at installing 
> any of the icecast software (it's been months). I stay 
> subscribed because I'm interested, and I take a moment to 
> note what kinds of problems people can have when installing, 
> so I'll have an edge when I try again soon :)
> 
> In a nutshell, what are the plans for the website?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Scott Prive
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Wade Carroll [mailto:wcarroll at carolina.rr.com]
> Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 12:31 PM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: [icecast] what's happening here?
> 
> 
> Why is it that this list is so inactive?  And what's with all 
> the spam?
> 
> Is there another list that has more folks on it?
> 
> Wade
> 
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From bikepunx at impop.bellatlantic.net  Thu May 16 06:04:04 2002
From: bikepunx at impop.bellatlantic.net (jim)
Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 02:04:04 -0400
Subject: [icecast] soundblaster live noise
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i have a clean signal going into my soundblaster live card and am 
getting what seems like a grounding issue type of noise on my stream? 
does anyone know of any fixes for this.  im running the newest 
icecast and version of darkice on a freeBSD system.

any help would be rad

thanx
-jim

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From webmaster at chat-radio.de  Mon May 20 10:16:07 2002
From: webmaster at chat-radio.de (webmaster at chat-radio.de)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:16:07 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Instances are Crashing
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If i want to start icecast a 2nd time with different Config File, Port etc.
Icecast Crashes. I have the newset release installed on Suse 7.3...
How to do? I need Icecast on Port 8000 and 80000 (for 2nd radioserver)..

Greetings,

SJ

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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Mon May 20 11:23:04 2002
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (Moritz Grimm)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:23:04 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Instances are Crashing
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webmaster at chat-radio.de wrote:
> If i want to start icecast a 2nd time with different Config File, Port etc.
> Icecast Crashes. I have the newset release installed on Suse 7.3...
> How to do? I need Icecast on Port 8000 and 80000 (for 2nd radioserver)..

Propably because 80000 is a non-existent port. Valid ports go from 1 to
65535, while 1-1024 may be used by root only (and therefore shouldn't be
used by something like icecast).

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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au  Mon May 20 11:30:52 2002
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 21:30:52 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Instances are Crashing
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At 12:16 PM 5/20/02 +0200, you wrote:
>If i want to start icecast a 2nd time with different Config File, Port etc.
>Icecast Crashes. I have the newset release installed on Suse 7.3...
>How to do? I need Icecast on Port 8000 and 80000 (for 2nd radioserver)..

That's impossible, port 80000 doesn't (and cannot) exist.
tcp specifies port as a 16 bit number, limiting it to 65536 (or maybe
65535, I'm not sure).

Michael

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From webmaster at chat-radio.de  Mon May 20 11:35:42 2002
From: webmaster at chat-radio.de (webmaster at chat-radio.de)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 13:35:42 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Instances are Crashing
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Oh ...
Ok tryed to do it with 8100 but either doesnt work...

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<p>At 12:16 PM 5/20/02 +0200, you wrote:
>If i want to start icecast a 2nd time with different Config File, Port etc.
>Icecast Crashes. I have the newset release installed on Suse 7.3...
>How to do? I need Icecast on Port 8000 and 80000 (for 2nd radioserver)..

That's impossible, port 80000 doesn't (and cannot) exist.
tcp specifies port as a 16 bit number, limiting it to 65536 (or maybe
65535, I'm not sure).

Michael

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From konny at waitrose.com  Mon May 20 11:48:08 2002
From: konny at waitrose.com (MR I)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:48:08 +0100
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Instances are Crashing
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in config file (icecast.conf) it states:

--
# you can now use multiple ports. the default port ia the first  one 
defined.
# define PORT, and PORT+1 for shoutcast compatibility
############
port 8000
port 8001

---
Trying to run two icecast makes no sense (especially as by default 
icecast does not let you) since you can configure 1 to bind to multiple 
ports.

o the solution is to use to port configuration option. Bearing in mind 
what everyone else has said on this thread.

Although I might be incorrect as no one has helped me with my problem ;)
K

<p>webmaster at chat-radio.de wrote:

>Oh ...
>Ok tryed to do it with 8100 but either doesnt work...
>
>
>
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>
>
>At 12:16 PM 5/20/02 +0200, you wrote:
>  
>
>>If i want to start icecast a 2nd time with different Config File, Port etc.
>>Icecast Crashes. I have the newset release installed on Suse 7.3...
>>How to do? I need Icecast on Port 8000 and 80000 (for 2nd radioserver)..
>>    
>>
>
>That's impossible, port 80000 doesn't (and cannot) exist.
>tcp specifies port as a 16 bit number, limiting it to 65536 (or maybe
>65535, I'm not sure).
>
>Michael
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From eric.gianquinto at easynet.be  Mon May 20 12:08:13 2002
From: eric.gianquinto at easynet.be (Eric Gianquinto)
Date: 20 May 2002 14:08:13 +0200
Subject: [icecast] libshout .deb
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Hello

Is there any .deb package of libshout stable or unstable (from dev CVS).
Otherwise i build it ...

thankz


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From oddsock at oddsock.org  Mon May 20 13:32:27 2002
From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 08:32:27 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Instances are Crashing
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At 12:48 PM 5/20/2002 +0100, you wrote:

>---
>Trying to run two icecast makes no sense (especially as by default icecast 
>does not let you) since you can configure 1 to bind to multiple ports.
>
>so the solution is to use to port configuration option. Bearing in mind 
>what everyone else has said on this thread.
>
>Although I might be incorrect as no one has helped me with my problem ;)
>K

the original poster said that they wanted different config files for each 
server instance.  There are some reasons for this I guess, i.e. one server 
private and one server public, or other such things...but for most people, 
using a single server, but utilizing multiple mount points is sufficient to 
run 2 stations.  Most people I talk to are suprized that icecast supports 
multiple stations via mountpoints with a single server...I believe this has 
to do with too much shoutcast on the brain....

anyway, having said all that, you should still be able to start multiple 
icecast processes each with it's own config.  Can the original poster 
provide exactly how each icecast process is being started and include any 
messages that are generated ?

oddsock

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From Scott.Prive at storigen.com  Mon May 20 15:04:09 2002
From: Scott.Prive at storigen.com (Scott Prive)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:04:09 -0400
Subject: [icecast] soundblaster live noise
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I don't know the answer, but here are suggestions to the limit of my knowledge:

1) Is your sound going in via Line In, or Mic In?
2) Do you get the noise when recording, using ANY software (just record a wav file with something)? If so, at least you know it's not a software issue.

I don't know what else to suggest, but I think this information would help you (or anyone who tries to help you).

Cheers,

Scott

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To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: [icecast] soundblaster live noise

<p>i have a clean signal going into my soundblaster live card and am 
getting what seems like a grounding issue type of noise on my stream? 
does anyone know of any fixes for this.  im running the newest 
icecast and version of darkice on a freeBSD system.

any help would be rad

thanx
-jim

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From Scott.Prive at storigen.com  Mon May 20 15:06:54 2002
From: Scott.Prive at storigen.com (Scott Prive)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:06:54 -0400
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Instances are Crashing
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True, this is not be a valid port, but if the code checked for invalid options like this it could improve the user experience.

I know my suggestion could be picky (not my fault... I work in QA!  :-)

-Scott

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<p>At 12:16 PM 5/20/02 +0200, you wrote:
>If i want to start icecast a 2nd time with different Config File, Port etc.
>Icecast Crashes. I have the newset release installed on Suse 7.3...
>How to do? I need Icecast on Port 8000 and 80000 (for 2nd radioserver)..

That's impossible, port 80000 doesn't (and cannot) exist.
tcp specifies port as a 16 bit number, limiting it to 65536 (or maybe
65535, I'm not sure).

Michael

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From John.Benninghoff at Rbcdain.com  Mon May 20 16:09:10 2002
From: John.Benninghoff at Rbcdain.com (Benninghoff, John)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 11:09:10 -0500
Subject: [icecast] soundblaster live noise
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60-cycle hum ?? yep, probably a ground loop.

http://www.xiph.org/archives/icecast/2703.html

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Subject: RE: [icecast] soundblaster live noise

<p>I don't know the answer, but here are suggestions to the limit of my knowledge:

1) Is your sound going in via Line In, or Mic In?
2) Do you get the noise when recording, using ANY software (just record a wav file with something)? If so, at least you know it's not a software issue.

I don't know what else to suggest, but I think this information would help you (or anyone who tries to help you).

Cheers,

Scott

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To: icecast at xiph.org
Subject: [icecast] soundblaster live noise

<p>i have a clean signal going into my soundblaster live card and am 
getting what seems like a grounding issue type of noise on my stream? 
does anyone know of any fixes for this.  im running the newest 
icecast and version of darkice on a freeBSD system.

any help would be rad

thanx
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From Robin_Blanchard at gactr.uga.edu  Mon May 20 16:12:40 2002
From: Robin_Blanchard at gactr.uga.edu (Robin Blanchard)
Date: Mon, 20 May 2002 12:12:40 -0400
Subject: [icecast] soundblaster live noise
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I had a similar problem...
I updated our radio server to a new box and a SB Live and ran into all
sorts of audio problems. I took the sound card (es1371) from the old box
and swapped out the SB Live and the problems went away.
I think the problem is with fbsd's sb live driver.

<p>> -----Original Message-----
> From: jim [mailto:bikepunx at impop.bellatlantic.net]
> Sent: Thursday, May 16, 2002 2:04 AM
> To: icecast at xiph.org
> Subject: [icecast] soundblaster live noise
> 
> i have a clean signal going into my soundblaster live card and am
> getting what seems like a grounding issue type of noise on my stream?
> does anyone know of any fixes for this.  im running the newest
> icecast and version of darkice on a freeBSD system.
> 
> any help would be rad
> 
> thanx
> -jim


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From webmaster at chat-radio.de  Tue May 21 15:17:29 2002
From: webmaster at chat-radio.de (webmaster at chat-radio.de)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:17:29 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Multiple Ports ae ot working for Listeners
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If I want do user multiple Ports, in example, 8000, 8002, this works finde 4
streamers(sources) but noch for users.. Is this normal or am I doing
something wrong??

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From malletc3 at cti.ecp.fr  Tue May 21 16:43:09 2002
From: malletc3 at cti.ecp.fr (Cédric Mallet)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:43:09 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Icecast admin interface
Message-ID: <02052118430902.01515@mallet.via.ecp.fr>



I have a problem with Icecast web admin interface.
My icecast.conf file contains :
acl_policy 1
deny all *
allow all *.via.ecp.fr

When connecting to my admin interface, I get a 403 error message ( You don't 
have access to this entity (stream or file).), and icecast says "Kicking 
unknown 48 [mallet.via.ecp.fr] [No mountfile found], connected for 0 seconds".

There is no firewall running on the system (debian woody, kernel 2.4.18), and 
by the way sources and listeners can connect with no problem.

Any help welcome...

Ced

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From alet at librelogiciel.com  Tue May 21 16:51:14 2002
From: alet at librelogiciel.com (Jerome Alet)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 18:51:14 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Icecast admin interface
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On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 06:43:09PM +0200, C?dric Mallet wrote:
> I have a problem with Icecast web admin interface.
> My icecast.conf file contains :
> acl_policy 1
> deny all *
> allow all *.via.ecp.fr
> 
> When connecting to my admin interface, I get a 403 error message ( You don't 
> have access to this entity (stream or file).), and icecast says "Kicking 
> unknown 48 [mallet.via.ecp.fr] [No mountfile found], connected for 0 seconds".
> 
> There is no firewall running on the system (debian woody, kernel 2.4.18), and 
> by the way sources and listeners can connect with no problem.

icecast in woody is compiled with tcp-wrapper activated, so look
into hosts.deny/hosts.allow maybe there's a conflict with what
you've set in icecast.conf

hth.

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From dave at jetcafe.org  Tue May 21 20:27:48 2002
From: dave at jetcafe.org (Dave Hayes)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 13:27:48 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Bad stuttering with Winamp 2.80
Message-ID: <200205212027.g4LKRrb46953@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org>



The only thing that has changed is the winamp version number. My
radio streams are unaltered (to the point of the same process 
connecting to two versions of Winamp). 

What happens is that I begin to hear skips in the stream. Soon the
stream is full on stuttering, as if a square wave was modulating
the volume control.

Anyone else experience this?
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From mark at knm.org  Tue May 21 20:35:51 2002
From: mark at knm.org (Mark Lehrer)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:35:51 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Bad stuttering with Winamp 2.80
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What icecast version are you using?  There was a bug prior to 1.3.11
that caused this exact symptom.

Mark

<p>   The only thing that has changed is the winamp version number. My
   radio streams are unaltered (to the point of the same process 
   connecting to two versions of Winamp). 

   What happens is that I begin to hear skips in the stream. Soon the
   stream is full on stuttering, as if a square wave was modulating
   the volume control.

   Anyone else experience this?

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From jack at xiph.org  Tue May 21 21:02:56 2002
From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 15:02:56 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Bad stuttering with Winamp 2.80
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> The only thing that has changed is the winamp version number. My
> radio streams are unaltered (to the point of the same process 
> connecting to two versions of Winamp). 

If you've isolated it to winamp, why complain here? :)

Perhaps their buffering code changed?  Can you see if the headers are
the same from icecast for both copies of winamp?  Perhaps they changed
the user agent or something.

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From george at grzz.com  Tue May 21 21:34:02 2002
From: george at grzz.com (george)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 14:34:02 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Bad stuttering with Winamp 2.80
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<p>> > The only thing that has changed is the winamp version number. My
> > radio streams are unaltered (to the point of the same process
> > connecting to two versions of Winamp).
>
> If you've isolated it to winamp, why complain here? :)
>
> Perhaps their buffering code changed?  Can you see if the headers are
> the same from icecast for both copies of winamp?  Perhaps they changed
> the user agent or something.
>
> jack.
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From malletc3 at cti.ecp.fr  Tue May 21 21:36:24 2002
From: malletc3 at cti.ecp.fr (Cédric Mallet)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 23:36:24 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Icecast admin interface
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mardi 21 mai 2002, 18:51:14, Jerome Alet a ?crit :

<p>> icecast in woody is compiled with tcp-wrapper activated, so look
> into hosts.deny/hosts.allow maybe there's a conflict with what
> you've set in icecast.conf

I tried with an empty /etc/hosts.deny, and /etc/hosts.allow only
containing "ALL : ALL".
That did not solve the problem..

Ced

<p>> hth.

> Jerome Alet

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From alet at librelogiciel.com  Tue May 21 22:47:02 2002
From: alet at librelogiciel.com (Jerome Alet)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:47:02 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Icecast admin interface
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On Tue, May 21, 2002 at 11:36:24PM +0200, C?dric Mallet wrote:
> mardi 21 mai 2002, 18:51:14, Jerome Alet a ?crit :
> 
> > icecast in woody is compiled with tcp-wrapper activated, so look
> > into hosts.deny/hosts.allow maybe there's a conflict with what
> > you've set in icecast.conf
> 
> I tried with an empty /etc/hosts.deny, and /etc/hosts.allow only
> containing "ALL : ALL".
> That did not solve the problem..

in my case I've set :

acl_policy 1
allow all *

in icecast.conf

I've put ALL: ALL in hosts.deny

and I use the different entries in hosts.allow to allow some 
subnets.

hth.

Jerome Alet

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From dave at jetcafe.org  Tue May 21 23:13:35 2002
From: dave at jetcafe.org (Dave Hayes)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:13:35 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Bad stuttering with Winamp 2.80
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Mark Lehrer <mark at knm.org> writes:
> What icecast version are you using?  There was a bug prior to 1.3.11
> that caused this exact symptom.

I am using 1.3.12+patch at the moment. That patch I have on it was the
one I submitted earlier which fixes the problem with the wrong
arguments passed to snprintf in the avl code. That shouldn't affect
sound.

I'm fairly certain it's a change in winamp. I'm not yet sure I want
to tell nullsoft that they've busted icecast streaming. ;)

Can you refresh my memory as to what this bug involved?

Jack Moffitt <jack at xiph.org> writes:
> If you've isolated it to winamp, why complain here? :)

I wasn't complaining. I was attempting to see if anyone else had seen
this problem.  

Besides, they've made some rather absurd claims about software which
leads me to believe they are less competant than those here. ;)

> Perhaps their buffering code changed?  Can you see if the headers
> are the same from icecast for both copies of winamp?  Perhaps they
> changed the user agent or something.

User agent was "WinampMPEG/2.7" now it's "WinampMPEG/2.8". Is there
a way to get more information?
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From jack at xiph.org  Tue May 21 23:30:14 2002
From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:30:14 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Bad stuttering with Winamp 2.80
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> > If you've isolated it to winamp, why complain here? :)
> 
> I wasn't complaining. I was attempting to see if anyone else had seen
> this problem.  

I was joking :)

> User agent was "WinampMPEG/2.7" now it's "WinampMPEG/2.8". Is there
> a way to get more information?

I doubt any potential check would get that specific.  So that rules out
that :)

Does streaming from a web server have the same problem?  I assume you
tested each client individually as opposed to at the same time?

jack.

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From dave at jetcafe.org  Tue May 21 23:37:05 2002
From: dave at jetcafe.org (Dave Hayes)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 16:37:05 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Bad stuttering with Winamp 2.80
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Jack Moffitt <jack at xiph.org> writes:
>> > If you've isolated it to winamp, why complain here? :)
>> I wasn't complaining. I was attempting to see if anyone else had seen
>> this problem.  
> I was joking :)

Heh, wasn't sure. The tone of the list had been down lately...

> Does streaming from a web server have the same problem?  I assume you
> tested each client individually as opposed to at the same time?

Yes, individually. I don't stream from a real apache web server, 
so I can't tell. How is that different?

[ Can anyone else following along grab a fresh copy of Winamp 280
and see if http://music.jetcafe.org:8000 starts to stutter? ]
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Join in the new game that's sweeping the country.  It's
called "Bureaucracy".  Everybody stands in a circle.  The
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From konny at waitrose.com  Tue May 21 23:49:08 2002
From: konny at waitrose.com (MR I)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 00:49:08 +0100
Subject: [icecast] icecast2 configuration file
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does anyone have a configuration file example which contains all (or 
most ) of the configuration options?

Just done a cvs and only get a small subset in my icecast.xml file. (any 
advise or redirection will be welcome)..

K

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From dave at jetcafe.org  Wed May 22 00:06:52 2002
From: dave at jetcafe.org (Dave Hayes)
Date: Tue, 21 May 2002 17:06:52 -0700
Subject: [icecast] Bad stuttering with Winamp 2.80
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Very odd. Forget about this being anyone's problem but my own,
my sound card just died horribly on that machine. Smoke even. =(

My apologies for taking the list's time. 
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From ladio at mail.ladio.net  Wed May 22 00:38:25 2002
From: ladio at mail.ladio.net (ladio)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 09:38:25 +0900
Subject: [icecast] mount point icy_n
Message-ID: <20020522093110.C85B.LADIO@mail.ladio.net>



Hello. My name is Tomoaki Abe. I'm a manager of a Japanese 

Internet Broadcast Station. I'm here to report a problem about
Icecast1.3.12. 
Sorry for my bad English. 

The following is a brief summary of the problem. 

When you connect using shoutcastDSP, 
you are assigned different mount points accordingly from small to larger 
numbers. 
But due to a bug that we have discovered recently with the Icecast server 
software, oftentimes we experience troubles connecting. 

[issues with zero](sorry we don't know the particular name for this 
problem) 

We have no clue of why this is happening. $B!!(B 
Suppose when two or more numbers (or mount points) are missing, only the 
number subtracted by 1 from the latest mount point number is available for 
broadcast. 
When only one number is missing, all the other mount points become 
totally unavailable. 

In other words, (note: the left side indicates the numbers that are taken) 

icy_0 , 1 , 2            $B"*(B mount point 3 is available 

       icy_ 2            $B"*(B 1 becomes the only available mount point 
    icy_1 , 2            $B"*(B all other mount points become totally
unavailable 
icy_0 ,     2            $B"*(B all other mount points become totally
unavailable 

This problem occurs no matter which number it starts from. Due to this 
problem, a lot of times we have to disconnect to start all over with 0, in 
order to allow other users to start their broadcast. We found that quite 
inconvenient. Hopefully you will consider this problem. Thank you. 

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From thomas at arkena.com  Wed May 22 06:24:00 2002
From: thomas at arkena.com (Thomas Kirk)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 08:24:00 +0200
Subject: [icecast] what's the plans for the website :-)
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Message-ID: <20020522062400.GB24272@thomas.arkena.com>



Hey

On Sun, May 19, 2002 at 01:14:43PM -0700, Nicolae wrote:

> I noticed that RealPlayer plays shoutcast streams along with
> mp3 players but not with MEDIA Player. (lame a** M$).

Thats one of the reasons whey people should use Icecast (Read OPEN
SOURCE!). Using Icecast you actually have the posibility to get all
those mediaplayers out there working with those fucked up
players. Jack moffit the author of icecast actually did some work on
Icecast to get realplayer,WMP, and all the other players out there to
work with it. Go read the code in client.c and tune it to your fit
your needs ;-) Ive said it before and ill say it again Icecast Rocks!!!!


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From gshang at uq.net.au  Wed May 22 12:11:21 2002
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:11:21 +1000
Subject: [icecast] what's the plans for the website :-)
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> > I noticed that RealPlayer plays shoutcast streams along with
> > mp3 players but not with MEDIA Player. (lame a** M$).

WMP 7 and above will play shoutcast streams, but don't ask me for specifics
as I've not ever used it for this.  Don't know about icecast streams,
though I'd think they ought to work too.

Geoff.

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From thomas at arkena.com  Wed May 22 14:56:39 2002
From: thomas at arkena.com (Thomas Kirk)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 16:56:39 +0200
Subject: [icecast] what's the plans for the website :-)
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On Wed, May 22, 2002 at 10:11:21PM +1000, Geoff Shang wrote:

<p> 
> WMP 7 and above will play shoutcast streams, but don't ask me for specifics

WMP 6.4 and above will play icecaststreams.


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HTTPD Error 4004 : very old Intel cpu - insufficient processing power

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From Bryan.Walls at msfc.nasa.gov  Wed May 22 19:34:52 2002
From: Bryan.Walls at msfc.nasa.gov (Bryan Walls)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 14:34:52 -0500
Subject: [icecast] Real to MP3
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How can I convert Real audio files (.rm) to MP3 files? I know I've 
done it before, but I can't get WinAmp to output to the NullSoft MP3 
Output Plug-In, which is how I think I did it last time. The file  I 
want to convert just doesn't seem to play with that output selected. 
I get the same result with teh Lame MP3 Writer plug-in.

I use the Tara Audio Video Plugin to read Real media in WinAmp.

<p>The .rm file is encoded at 256 kbs at 16kHz sample. I was able to use 
the OddCast DSP to save a stream to disk, but only at 11kHz or faster 
sample, and it was chipmunked (faster speed).

I guess I need to somehow resample to encode, but I can't seem to get 
the parts working together. Hate to have to play it and record...

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From demirt at boun.edu.tr  Wed May 22 19:53:51 2002
From: demirt at boun.edu.tr (Tamer Demir)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 22:53:51 +0300
Subject: [icecast] Real to MP3
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Hello,

>The .rm file is encoded at 256 kbs at 16kHz sample. I was able to use the 
>OddCast DSP to save a stream to disk, but only at 11kHz or faster sample, 
>and it was chipmunked (faster speed).

Not the solution to your question , but you can capture the sound in MP3 
format by using Total Recorder..If there is less and urgent .rm files, this 
can work.

>I guess I need to somehow resample to encode, but I can't seem to get the 
>parts working together. Hate to have to play it and record...

Good Luck,
Tamer

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From konny at waitrose.com  Wed May 22 20:13:48 2002
From: konny at waitrose.com (MR I)
Date: Wed, 22 May 2002 21:13:48 +0100
Subject: [icecast] icecast.xml
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1. does anyone have the full list of configure option for icecast2?
2. how do you increase the debug level of  icecast2
3. where is the console mode?

K

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Thu May 23 08:43:57 2002
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 18:43:57 +1000
Subject: [icecast] icecast.xml
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On Wed, 22 May 2002, MR I wrote:

> 3. where is the console mode?

AFAIK, there isn't one.  Yet.  Icecast2 is still very much a work in
progress, especially in the areas of configurability and user interface.
But the cor functionality seems solid.

Geoff.

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From konny at waitrose.com  Thu May 23 10:22:03 2002
From: konny at waitrose.com (MR I)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:22:03 +0100
Subject: [icecast] disappointed with group
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Hi all,
must say I have found the help in this group very disapointing. Have 
mail numerous times for help with some (in hindsight) simple problems. 
yet no one (ok 1 person)  has attempted to aid me.

If this group was ONLY filled with novices and users I could accept this 
but I have seen members of the development team , and others who have 
insight into the workings of icecast comment on other (non technical) 
matters.

Now I don't mind working on my own to fix all my problems (because I can 
eventually come up with a solution) BUT one of  the purpose of this 
group (any for that matter) is to share knowledge. It is the lack of 
this that disappoints me.

Just thought I would air my thoughts..
Your thoughts are (needed) welcome

K

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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Thu May 23 10:48:14 2002
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (Moritz Grimm)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:48:14 +0200
Subject: [icecast] disappointed with group
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MR I wrote:
> must say I have found the help in this group very disapointing. Have

I don't understand why people keep complaining about this list. It's not
that anyone has the right to get personal assistance by the developers
(note: I am no developer). It's also better for all of us when the
developers don't have to waste their time on this list for minor/simple
things, imo. Fellow users usually answer when they got something to say.
Except for the occasional spam, this list has a very high s/n ratio,
which is what I like. Better silence than constant noise.

If I knew what else Icecast2's config file could take, I'd have
answered, and I'm sure others would have done so, too. Icecast2 isn't
even in alpha stage, yet. (Otherwise Jack would've finished an alpha
release for us meanwhile.) It does Ogg Vorbis streaming and supports the
most essential things that it has to support in order be working at all.
It is very likely that icecast.xml contains everything available
already. Those who use Icecast2 should keep that in mind and not treat
it as a complete software product. Icecast2's robustness and
functionality might make it almost look like production quality already,
but that doesn't make it any more "finished" than it is right now.

Besides, if Icecast2 WOULD get a new configurable feature, I am quite
sure the developers would add it to icecast.xml immediately - otherwise
people couldn't test it.

<p>Moritz

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From konny at waitrose.com  Thu May 23 11:13:54 2002
From: konny at waitrose.com (MR I)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:13:54 +0100
Subject: [icecast] disappointed with group
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Moritz Grimm wrote:

>MR I wrote:
>  
>
>>must say I have found the help in this group very disapointing. Have
>>    
>>
>
>I don't understand why people keep complaining about this list. It's not
>that anyone has the right to get personal assistance by the developers
>(note: I am no developer). It's also better for all of us when the
>developers don't have to waste their time on this list for minor/simple
>things, imo. Fellow users usually answer when they got something to say.
>Except for the occasional spam, this list has a very high s/n ratio,
>which is what I like. Better silence than constant noise.
>  
>
I follow your believes and views... however if things are simple then 
providing an answer is also simple (i.e man ices or "use background 
mode"). I certainly don't wish to be spoon feed just pointed in the 
right direction. After all the purpose for joining this list was so I 
could join a community of like minds. In the end I know I can find a 
solution, but if the case is that everyone finds a solution by themselfs 
then this list is pointless. Shared problems often equal faster solutions.

>If I knew what else Icecast2's config file could take, I'd have
>answered, and I'm sure others would have done so, too. Icecast2 isn't
>even in alpha stage, yet. (Otherwise Jack would've finished an alpha
>release for us meanwhile.) It does Ogg Vorbis streaming and supports the
>most essential things that it has to support in order be working at all.
>
1. my comment was not directed to you as an individual, as indeed the 
answers you gave displayed your knowledge. (i.e. you stated what you 
knew) I MUCH prefer that than babble about nothing.

2. Yes icecast2 is UNSUPPORTED.. not unsupportable! that's why I'm here!

3. For Icecast2 there is valid reasons for the level of support... But 
what about icecast1's Documentation? We all know that it is lacking 
thats why I started using this group.

K

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From darkeye at tyrell.hu  Thu May 23 11:23:55 2002
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 13:23:55 +0200
Subject: [icecast] disappointed with group
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MR I wrote:
> 3. For Icecast2 there is valid reasons for the level of support... But 
> what about icecast1's Documentation? We all know that it is lacking 
> thats why I started using this group.

The problem of lacking documentation has come up a few times in the 
past. While I also find this to be a considerable problem, one has to 
understand that open source authors can not be _forced_ to do anything. 
One might disaggree with an author, but that's how far one can go.

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From un at dom.de  Thu May 23 11:30:27 2002
From: un at dom.de (un at dom.de)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 13:30:27 +0200
Subject: [icecast] disappointed with group
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MR I:
> 
> 
> Moritz Grimm wrote:
> >MR I wrote:
> >>must say I have found the help in this group very disapointing. Have

> what about icecast1's Documentation? We all know that it is lacking 
> thats why I started using this group.

did u check the list archive? tons of documentation, suggestions &
solutions. http://www.xiph.org/archives/icecast/masterindex.html
u.

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Thu May 23 11:50:58 2002
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 21:50:58 +1000
Subject: [icecast] disappointed with group
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Hi:

1.  Icecast 1.x is no longer being developed excepting for security patches
and bug-fixes.  Acordingly, it's probably also fair to say that it's not
really being supported, since basically, the developers have other fish to
fry.  There is, of course, a decent sized user base, which I'm guessing
would make up the majority of this list.

2.  Shout has not been supported for some time and the developers (and many
users) are up-front about this.

3.  Ices (currently at 0.2.3) is still being developed by Brendan Cully
<SP?>.  IIRC, he's generally quick to respond to queries directly about
ices.

4.  Icecast2/libshout2/ices2 are under active development at this time.
The developers are at least keeping an eye on icecast-dev, as patches are
being committed.  Keep in mind however that the guys doing this are also
heavily involved in Vorbis' development which is likely taking up a good
deal of time right now.

Speaking as a person who's dabbled with icecast 1.x but not done a great
deal with it, the manual seems fairly thorough in documenting features,
etc.  However, it would seem that a FAQ for this list would be a good thing
as a number of questions seem to come up at regular intervals.

Geoff.

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From konny at waitrose.com  Thu May 23 11:53:56 2002
From: konny at waitrose.com (MR I)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 12:53:56 +0100
Subject: [icecast] disappointed with group
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un at dom.de wrote:

>MR I:
>  
>
>>Moritz Grimm wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>MR I wrote:
>>>      
>>>
>>>>must say I have found the help in this group very disapointing. Have
>>>>        
>>>>
>
>  
>
>>what about icecast1's Documentation? We all know that it is lacking 
>>thats why I started using this group.
>>    
>>
>
>did u check the list archive? tons of documentation, suggestions &
>solutions. http://www.xiph.org/archives/icecast/masterindex.html
>  
>
yes and many of the question asked are constantly repeated, this 
supports my view. If a question is repeatedly asked (and the answer is 
known) why not answer once, then all subseqent request refer to the 1st?

<p>K

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From christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr  Thu May 23 14:14:32 2002
From: christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr (christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:14:32 +0200
Subject: [icecast] memory, processor, bandwidth
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The shoutcast doc says:

If you want to broadcast to listeners, you'll need:

* 90Mhz or faster server, running one of Windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, ME,
  Mac OS X, Sparc Solaris 2.x, FreeBSD 3.x, FreeBSD 4.x, or Linux with
  a libc6 kernel.

* 14kB of memory for every listener you want to broadcast to (i.e. 1,000
  listeners means you need 14 Megabytes of RAM), plus whatever your
  operating system needs for overhead, plus 1.5MB for the server's
  base requirements.  Don't set the listener count higher than you need,
  it just screws things up.

* Enough bandwidth to run the server.  If you want to broadcast to 100
  listeners at 24kbps, you'll need about 24kbps*100 = 2,400kbps = 2.4Mbps
  of bandwidth.  That's about 2 T1 lines worth of bandwidth.  Trying to
  push 100 128kbps listeners down your 768kbps cable modem isn't going
  to work :)

<p>Is it the same rules for Icecast??

Thank you in advance.

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From alet at librelogiciel.com  Thu May 23 14:31:12 2002
From: alet at librelogiciel.com (Jerome Alet)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 16:31:12 +0200
Subject: [icecast] memory, processor, bandwidth
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On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 04:14:32PM +0200, christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr wrote:
> 
> If you want to broadcast to listeners, you'll need:
> 
> * 90Mhz or faster server, running one of Windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, ME,
>   Mac OS X, Sparc Solaris 2.x, FreeBSD 3.x, FreeBSD 4.x, or Linux with
>   a libc6 kernel.

I don't know if icecast works under non-unix like systems, however
it doesn't consume much CPU resource it seems.

the big resource hog is the encoder, which you may or may not install on
the same machine than the icecast server.

> * 14kB of memory for every listener you want to broadcast to (i.e. 1,000
>   listeners means you need 14 Megabytes of RAM), plus whatever your
>   operating system needs for overhead, plus 1.5MB for the server's
>   base requirements.  Don't set the listener count higher than you need,
>   it just screws things up.

I seem to remember having read 32 kB for each icecast client, but maybe 
I'm wrong
> 
> * Enough bandwidth to run the server.  If you want to broadcast to 100
>   listeners at 24kbps, you'll need about 24kbps*100 = 2,400kbps = 2.4Mbps
>   of bandwidth.  That's about 2 T1 lines worth of bandwidth.  Trying to
>   push 100 128kbps listeners down your 768kbps cable modem isn't going
>   to work :)

Why would this one be different ?

hth.

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From kjcox at quasi.ksl.com  Thu May 23 14:43:16 2002
From: kjcox at quasi.ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 23 May 2002 08:43:16 -0600
Subject: [icecast] memory, processor, bandwidth
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> > If you want to broadcast to listeners, you'll need:
> > 
> > * 90Mhz or faster server, running one of Windows 95, 98, NT, 2000, ME,
> >   Mac OS X, Sparc Solaris 2.x, FreeBSD 3.x, FreeBSD 4.x, or Linux with
> >   a libc6 kernel.
> 
> I don't know if icecast works under non-unix like systems, however
> it doesn't consume much CPU resource it seems.
> 
> the big resource hog is the encoder, which you may or may not install on
> the same machine than the icecast server.

Interesting. On our 1.8 GHz system with 512 megs of RAM, it is not the
encoder that takes up the resources but the streamer. Of course, we are
using MuSE and that requires an X Window environment.But I find LAME to
work exceptionally well for encoding our raw audio stream into MP3
format. Version 3.91 installs without a hitch on Red Hat 7.3.
I'm still looking to test out ices, but haven't had the time. Installing
and setting up icecast, lame and MuSE took about 5 minutes to get up and
running.
I have a small document I made for the other non-technical people here
(in case Kerry gets hit by a bus) that I would be happy to share. Write
me if you are having problems.
Our stream is located at
        http://www.ksl.com/radio/listen/listen.php
and it works great. We faked the Windows Media stream and simply have
the MP3 and WM streams pointing to our icecast box.
 
> > * 14kB of memory for every listener you want to broadcast to (i.e. 1,000
> >   listeners means you need 14 Megabytes of RAM), plus whatever your
> >   operating system needs for overhead, plus 1.5MB for the server's
> >   base requirements.  Don't set the listener count higher than you need,
> >   it just screws things up.

We find that even with a full OC3, we could only handle about 350
listeners. But, of course that was on an old 333 Celeron with 64 megs of
RAM. The limitation was not the bandwidth but the processor power. Over
350 streams and we would start dropping people. The CPU could not handle
it.
We're encoding at 16 kbps which give great quality sound for AM radio.
Hope that helps.

> I seem to remember having read 32 kB for each icecast client, but maybe 
> I'm wrong
> > 
> > * Enough bandwidth to run the server.  If you want to broadcast to 100
> >   listeners at 24kbps, you'll need about 24kbps*100 = 2,400kbps = 2.4Mbps
> >   of bandwidth.  That's about 2 T1 lines worth of bandwidth.  Trying to
> >   push 100 128kbps listeners down your 768kbps cable modem isn't going
> >   to work :)
> 
> Why would this one be different ?
> 
> hth.
> 
> Jerome Alet - Medicine School of Nice - France
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From gluis at alsuites.com  Thu May 23 15:23:17 2002
From: gluis at alsuites.com (Luis M. Gallardo D.)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 11:23:17 -0400
Subject: [icecast] memory, processor, bandwidth
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christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr wrote:
> 
> * Enough bandwidth to run the server.  If you want to broadcast to 100
>   listeners at 24kbps, you'll need about 24kbps*100 = 2,400kbps = 2.4Mbps
>   of bandwidth.  That's about 2 T1 lines worth of bandwidth.  Trying to
>   push 100 128kbps listeners down your 768kbps cable modem isn't going
>   to work :)

It doesn't say if it's using stereo or mono quality. You should read the
MP3-HOWTO. In the bandwidth considerations section you'll find:

"Consider this scenario. A T1 link has a capacity of approx. 1.55
Mb/Sec. If you stream your MP3's at 128K/Bps stereo, each connecting
player will use 256K/Bps, so only 6 users could connect to your MP3
server at any time without problems."

So, if you want to broadcast to 100 listeners at 24 kbps (mono), you'll
need about 24 kbps x 100 = 2.4 Mbps of bandwidth, and you must double it
if you want to broadcast at 24 kbps (stereo)

<p>> 
> Is it the same rules for Icecast??
> 
> Thank you in advance.
> --
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> (christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr)
> 


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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Thu May 23 15:11:44 2002
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (Moritz Grimm)
Date: Thu, 23 May 2002 17:11:44 +0200
Subject: [icecast] memory, processor, bandwidth
In-Reply-To: <3CED0965.CD9003A9@alsuites.com>
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"Luis M. Gallardo D." wrote:
> It doesn't say if it's using stereo or mono quality. You should read the
> MP3-HOWTO. In the bandwidth considerations section you'll find:
> 
> "Consider this scenario. A T1 link has a capacity of approx. 1.55
> Mb/Sec. If you stream your MP3's at 128K/Bps stereo, each connecting
> player will use 256K/Bps, so only 6 users could connect to your MP3
> server at any time without problems."
> 
> So, if you want to broadcast to 100 listeners at 24 kbps (mono), you'll
> need about 24 kbps x 100 = 2.4 Mbps of bandwidth, and you must double it
> if you want to broadcast at 24 kbps (stereo)

Errrm, that's bull*. No MP3 i've ever seen was judged by "bitrate per
channel". It's always "overall bitrate". So an ugly-sounding 128kbps
full-stereo MP3 would have 64kbps per channel.

If you want to stream a 128kbps stereo MP3, you have a 128kbps stream +
some minor tcp- and http overhead. Let's say 130kbps for that whole
thing.

On the other hand, if you're streaming 128kbps mono and you want the
same audio quality in stereo, you'd have to stream at 256kbps
full-stereo or maybe 192kbps stereo (in case this equals the lossless
stereo coupling i know from Vorbis) or 160kbps joint-stereo.

<p>Moritz

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Thu May 23 21:50:32 2002
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 07:50:32 +1000
Subject: [icecast] memory, processor, bandwidth
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On Thu, 23 May 2002 christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr wrote:

> * 14kB of memory for every listener you want to broadcast to (i.e. 1,000
>   listeners means you need 14 Megabytes of RAM), plus whatever your
>   operating system needs for overhead, plus 1.5MB for the server's
>   base requirements.  Don't set the listener count higher than you need,
>   it just screws things up.

IIRC, icecast allocates memory and resources dynamically, whereas shoutcast
allocates them up front, based on the maximum number of clients as
specified in the config.  So using the above example, shoutcast will use
15.5 MB of RAM *all the time*, whether you have 100 listeners or 1.  Having
said that, I don't know the per listener figure for icecast.

Oh and there are, I believe, win32 ports of icecast.

Geoff.

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From malletc3 at cti.ecp.fr  Fri May 24 11:06:39 2002
From: malletc3 at cti.ecp.fr (Cédric Mallet)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:06:39 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Bandwidth
Message-ID: <15764855887.20020524130639@cti.ecp.fr>



Just a little question about icecast. I guess the streaming technique
used is unicast. In that case, how is it that the bandwith used does not
grow up as several listeners connect ? Or is the bandwith written in the
icecast interface the bandwith used per listener ?

Thank you for your answers.


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From brendan at icecast.org  Fri May 24 13:08:57 2002
From: brendan at icecast.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 09:08:57 -0400
Subject: [icecast] Bandwidth
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On Friday, 24 May 2002 at 13:06, C?dric Mallet wrote:
> Just a little question about icecast. I guess the streaming technique
> used is unicast. In that case, how is it that the bandwith used does not
> grow up as several listeners connect ? Or is the bandwith written in the
> icecast interface the bandwith used per listener ?

It does grow per listener, but the number reported at the console isn't
accurate to very many decimal places. So if you're only streaming
128kbit, it'll only jump every few listeners. At least, this is how I
remember it from the last time I read that code.

-b

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From jim at lateral.net  Fri May 24 14:03:08 2002
From: jim at lateral.net (Jim Bailey)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 15:03:08 +0100
Subject: [:BLIP:]Re: [icecast] disappointed with group
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On Thu, May 23, 2002 at 09:50:58PM +1000, Geoff Shang wrote:
> Hi:
> 
> 1.  Icecast 1.x is no longer being developed excepting for security patches
> and bug-fixes.  Acordingly, it's probably also fair to say that it's not
> really being supported, since basically, the developers have other fish to
> fry.  There is, of course, a decent sized user base, which I'm guessing
> would make up the majority of this list.
> 
> 2.  Shout has not been supported for some time and the developers (and many
> users) are up-front about this.
> 
> 3.  Ices (currently at 0.2.3) is still being developed by Brendan Cully
> <SP?>.  IIRC, he's generally quick to respond to queries directly about
> ices.
> 
> 4.  Icecast2/libshout2/ices2 are under active development at this time.
> The developers are at least keeping an eye on icecast-dev, as patches are
> being committed.  Keep in mind however that the guys doing this are also
> heavily involved in Vorbis' development which is likely taking up a good
> deal of time right now.
>
I would say that this was an accurate picture, I don't actually use
Icecast 1 or 2  but do have an interest music and streaming technology
so I just tend to lurk. and read the occasional thread that interests
me.

> Speaking as a person who's dabbled with icecast 1.x but not done a great
> deal with it, the manual seems fairly thorough in documenting features,
> etc.  However, it would seem that a FAQ for this list would be a good thing
> as a number of questions seem to come up at regular intervals.
> 
I agree to a certain degree with the need for better documentation
particularily if the developers are not going to tune in to the user
list on a regular basis something they seemed to do more in the past.
It seems that a problem with this list is a gap between the developers
who seemed to know a lot about the system but were too busy developing
this and other stuff like Ogg Vorbis and the users on the list.  Who
seem to be new to the software and in some cases general *nix stuff.
This project needs something like the commentable documentation on the
MySQL site, where registered users can place footnotes below the main
documentation.  This should help and setting up a wiki system is not a
difficult task.

On a final note, particularly if there are developers lurking on this
list.  I put a strong emphasis on documentation and user support when
choosing an application for my systems, it doesn't matter how great an
application is if I can get it to work.  By the same token Free Software
project need users to support and enrich them for them to become great.
There does seem to be some fundamental structural problems with Icecast
as a project at the moment.

Peace Jim

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From kjcox at quasi.ksl.com  Fri May 24 15:53:34 2002
From: kjcox at quasi.ksl.com (Kerry Cox)
Date: 24 May 2002 09:53:34 -0600
Subject: [icecast] Red Hat patch kills streaming
Message-ID: <1022255614.1457.59.camel@quasi.ksl.com>



Has anyone else seen this? I patched my Red Hat box yesterday with the
Red Hat 2.4.18-4 kernel patch. It was fine until I rebooted and then the
new kernel failed. It still came up with the old kernel. No biggee, we
were in a blackout time anyway since we are not allowed to stream
certain national broadcasts, so I re-installed just to try out something
new. 
I patched the kernel with all the updates, THEN installed icecast, lame
and MuSE. No luck. No streaming. It took sndconfig a couple tries to
find the card, but then it played sound no problem. Played some MP3s to
test.
So I did another quick re-install to see if I was crazy and without
patching the kernel, icecast, lame and MuSE fired right up. No problem.
Came out of the blackout streaming.
I am using the es1371 module for sound, or the Creative Ensoniq AudioPCI
1371 card.
The box is an AMD Athlon 1800 with 512 megs of RAM. Pretty generic. Has
anyone else seen this? Would this justify a bug report to the Red Hat
guys or could it be icecast? Thanks.
Kerry

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From jfayre at sun.com  Fri May 24 17:06:14 2002
From: jfayre at sun.com (Jason Fayre)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 10:06:14 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [icecast] reencoding on-demand
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205240959310.1270-100000@localhost.localdomain>



Hello,
Here is what I am trying to do:
I want to set up asimple on-demand mp3 streaming server.   I don't want to 
have the systemconstantly streaming to the server.  I have been using a 
php app called Brunhilde to do this.  The problem is that I am using a DSL 
connection and my upload speed is only 128k.  All my MP3 files are encoded 
at 128k or better.  I need a way to reencode them when they are streamed.  
I realize that ices will do this, but I don't want to have the constant 
sream of audio (I.E. what Otto does) , I just want it to stream what I 
select.  Has anyone set this sort of thing up?

Thanks,

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From matt at sprout.org  Fri May 24 18:40:19 2002
From: matt at sprout.org (Matt Boersma)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:40:19 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [icecast] Re: disappointed with group
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205241236410.12391-100000@samsara.kgbinternet.com>



<rant>
I concur with "MR I" in his "disappointed" post.  I've rarely
gotten help from this list, although I've had productive email
conversations with individuals.  For example, I posted twice about
the fact that the "list archive search" function was broken for this list
at xiph.org, and was totally ignored.  I emailed individuals at
xiph.org, and finally gave up after about ten months.  Glad to see it's
fixed now.  Also, I never got any useful advice about how to analyze
icecast's access.log, although I know folks do this.  But hey, the
software is excellent and I haven't paid a dime, so overall I'm quite
happy and thanks for letting me vent.
</rant>

Rather than gripe, I have re-subscribed to this list and will start by
posting some scripts I've written to help me deal with icecast.

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From matt at sprout.org  Fri May 24 18:43:46 2002
From: matt at sprout.org (Matt Boersma)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 12:43:46 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [icecast] Propping up liveice
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205241138280.24920-100000@samsara.kgbinternet.com>



I'm a volunteer who runs the mp3 streaming for KGNU-FM in Boulder, 
Colorado.  We stream live at 64K with Linux, icecast 1.3.12+ minor 
patches, liveice, and lame 3.92.  It easily supports 32 internet 
listeners 24x7 from a donated 400MHz Pentium II.

Liveice is the only problem--it does its job of connecting the soundcard 
rec in to the lame encoder and to icecast, but dies without explanation 
on the average of every couple weeks.  I tried darkice, but it doesn't 
deal with lame correctly.  So I wrote a script to resurrect liveice when 
needed.  It is very specific to our setup, because it expects a certain 
number of process ids (threads) to be there.  Root runs this every five 
minutes via cron like this:
*/5 * * * * /usr/local/icecast/bin/check_icecast

We now average about 60 seconds of downtime a month, and I can leave the 
server totally unattended.  I hope this is of use to someone else, and I 
welcome any suggestions.  Here's the script:

#!/bin/sh
#
# check_icecast
#
# This script ensures that icecast, liveice, and lame are alive, and
# restarts them if they're not.  It checks for an expected number of
# process ids owned by "nobody".  If those aren't found, it kills any
# stragglers and runs the appropriate startup script.  It uses pgrep
# (find process by wildcard) and wc (word count).
#
# If everything looks alive, this script outputs nothing.  Otherwise,
# it reports what had to be restarted and when.  This script is
# intended to be run often via cron.
#
# TODO: It's possible that all the processes are alive, but that the
# liveice source has become disconnected from the icecast server
# somehow.  We need a way to check for this condition, too.

LIVEICE_PIDS=`pgrep -u nobody 'liveice|lame'`
LIVEICE_PIDNUM=`echo $LIVEICE_PIDS | wc -w`
ICECAST_PIDS=`pgrep -u nobody 'icecast'`
ICECAST_PIDNUM=`echo $ICECAST_PIDS | wc -w`

if [ "$ICECAST_PIDNUM" -lt "6" ] ; then
    kill -9 $LIVEICE_PIDS $ICECAST_PIDS >/dev/null 2>/dev/null
    sleep 5
    cd /usr/local/icecast/bin
    su nobody -c ./start_streaming
    echo "icecast restarted at `date`"
    renice -1 `pgrep -u nobody 'liveice|lame|icecast'`
else
    if [ "$LIVEICE_PIDNUM" -lt "3" ] ; then
        kill -9 $LIVEICE_PIDS >/dev/null 2>/dev/null
        sleep 5
        cd /usr/local/icecast/bin
        su nobody -c ./start_liveice
        echo "liveice restarted at `date`"
        renice -1 `pgrep -u nobody 'liveice|lame'`
    fi
fi

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From matt at sprout.org  Fri May 24 19:08:37 2002
From: matt at sprout.org (Matt Boersma)
Date: Fri, 24 May 2002 13:08:37 -0600 (CST)
Subject: [icecast] Python script to automate icecast
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205241245280.20327-100000@samsara.kgbinternet.com>



Here's a python script I wrote that tries to manipulate a running 
icecast server with simple command-line stuff.  It works fairly well for 
most admin commands.  "kick [userid]" works but will hang until [Ctrl+C] 
probably because the server responds in a different way than what we 
expect--I'm sure I could fix this but haven't gotten around to it, so 
please feel free to use this as you will and send me improvements.

I am well aware that this is a potentially large security hole.  The 
script has the admin and oper passwords embedded in it, and anyone who can 
read it or execute it can do damage.  I only allow it to be run on the 
server machine as nobody, connecting to localhost, but since I'm posting 
it as is, I'd just like to say use it at your own risk.

Having said that, here are some of the ways this script has been useful:
- Show me all current listeners: "./icecon.py listeners"
- Show me what commands are available: "./icecon.py" or "./icecon.py help"
- Save the current stream to disk: "./icecon.py StartDump a_title"
- Automatically capture the 8 a.m. news program every weekday, using 
cron:
58  7 * * Mon-Fri su nobody -c '/usr/local/icecast/bin/icecon.py StartDump 
Morning_Magazine'
02  9 * * Mon-Fri su nobody -c '/usr/local/icecast/bin/icecon.py StopDump 
Morning_Magazine'
(I fudge it by 2 minutes on either side, then go back in later and edit 
the foo_raw.mp3 file to start and end at more exact times.)

Again, I hope this is useful to someone and I welcome any suggestions.  
Here it is:

#!/usr/bin/env python

from telnetlib import Telnet
from time import strftime

class icecon:

    def __init__(self, admin_password, oper_password, host='127.0.0.1', 
port=8000):
        self.admin_password = admin_password
        self.oper_password = oper_password
        self.host = host
        self.port = port
        self.tn = None
        self.admin = 0
        self.oper = 0

    def Connect(self):
        self.tn = Telnet(self.host, self.port)
        return (self.tn != None)

    def Status(self, toggle='off'):
        if self.MakeAdmin():
            return self.Command('status ' + toggle)

    def Disconnect(self):
        self.admin = 0
        self.oper = 0
        self.tn.close()

    def MakeAdmin(self):
        if not self.admin:
            self.tn.write("ADMIN " + self.admin_password + "\n\n")
            x = self.tn.expect(["OK\r\n->",], 30)
            if (x[0] != -1):
                self.admin = 1
                # Always turn status off.  Otherwise, the console emits
                # a heartbeat message every so often, which can mess up
                # our interactions.
                self.Status()
        return self.admin

    def MakeOper(self):
        if not self.oper:
            self.tn.write("oper " + self.oper_password + "\n")
            x = self.tn.expect(["operator\r\n>",], 30)
            if  (x[0] != -1):
                self.oper = 1
        return self.oper

    def List(self):
        return self.Command('list')

    def Help(self):
        return self.Command('help')

    def StartDump(self, title, source=0):
        if self.MakeAdmin() and self.MakeOper():
            dir = ' /usr/local/icecast/static/'
            file = dir + title + strftime('_%Y-%m-%d') + '_raw.mp3'
        return self.Command('dump ' + str(source) + file)

    def StopDump(self, source=0):
        if self.MakeAdmin() and self.MakeOper():
            return self.Command('dump ' + str(source) + ' close')

    def Command(self, command):
        if self.MakeAdmin():
            self.tn.write(command + '\n')
            x = self.tn.expect(['\r\n>',], 30)
            if (x[0] != -1):
                response = x[2]
                response = response[:-1]
            else:
                response = '<Unexpected Reply>'
            return response

if __name__ == '__main__':
    from sys import argv
    if len(argv) <= 1:
        argv.append('help')
    ice = icecon('your_admin_password', 'your_oper_password')
    if ice.Connect():
        if (argv[1] == 'StartDump'):
            ice.StartDump(argv[2])
        elif (argv[1] == 'StopDump'):
            ice.StopDump()
        elif ice.MakeAdmin() and ice.MakeOper():
            print ice.Command(' '.join(argv[1:]))
        ice.Disconnect()

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From darkeye at tyrell.hu  Mon May 27 05:27:32 2002
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 07:27:32 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Propping up liveice
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Matt Boersma wrote:
> on the average of every couple weeks.  I tried darkice, but it doesn't 
> deal with lame correctly.  So I wrote a script to resurrect liveice when 

Could you elaborate on this? In what respect does darkice not deal with 
lame correctly?

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From malletc3 at cti.ecp.fr  Tue May 28 00:39:56 2002
From: malletc3 at cti.ecp.fr (Cédric Mallet)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 02:39:56 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Propping up liveice
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lundi 27 mai 2002, 07:27:32, Akos Maroy a ?crit :

> Matt Boersma wrote:
>> on the average of every couple weeks.  I tried darkice, but it doesn't 
>> deal with lame correctly.  So I wrote a script to resurrect liveice when 

> Could you elaborate on this? In what respect does darkice not deal with 
> lame correctly?

Personnally I have those error messages repeting with darkice :
"Internal buffer inconsistency. flushbits <> ResvSize"

According to what I found on the Net this looks like a Lame bug,
espescially when Lame is used with the -h option (removing it solved the
problem in LiveIce).


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From malletc3 at cti.ecp.fr  Tue May 28 01:34:19 2002
From: malletc3 at cti.ecp.fr (Cédric Mallet)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 03:34:19 +0200
Subject: [icecast] LiveIce and Zope
Message-ID: <1565121023.20020528033419@cti.ecp.fr>



I have a very weird problem between Liveice and Zope.

I start LiveIce with a script shell that works well. Since I want to run
it under a Zope page I made a Zope "external method" to run the script
through a Python module. When I call the method, the script is called by a
function in the python module, and runs, but LiveIce does not work (seems
like it does not even start). The weird thing is that if I use the
module file alone (in the python interpreter for example), everything
works fine and LiveIce starts.

To sum up what I have :

Liveice <---> shell script <----> python module <----> Zope (external
method)

I can go from the module to LiveIce and from Zope to the script, but I
would like to go from Zope down to LiveIce... I used this method to run
IceS and everything worked fine, but I can't find out what's wrong with
LiveIce.

Any comment or idea would be really welcome before I get completely crazy.

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From gluis at alsuites.com  Tue May 28 02:04:35 2002
From: gluis at alsuites.com (Luis M. Gallardo D.)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 22:04:35 -0400
Subject: [icecast] LiveIce and Zope
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Are you using liveice with -@ 2 option?

You can see liveice's options by running it with the -h switch.

I hope it helps you.


---
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Caracas - Venezuela.

C?dric Mallet wrote:
> 
> I have a very weird problem between Liveice and Zope.
> 
> I start LiveIce with a script shell that works well. Since I want to run
> it under a Zope page I made a Zope "external method" to run the script
> through a Python module. When I call the method, the script is called by a
> function in the python module, and runs, but LiveIce does not work (seems
> like it does not even start). The weird thing is that if I use the
> module file alone (in the python interpreter for example), everything
> works fine and LiveIce starts.
> 
> To sum up what I have :
> 
> Liveice <---> shell script <----> python module <----> Zope (external
> method)
> 
> I can go from the module to LiveIce and from Zope to the script, but I
> would like to go from Zope down to LiveIce... I used this method to run
> IceS and everything worked fine, but I can't find out what's wrong with
> LiveIce.
> 
> Any comment or idea would be really welcome before I get completely crazy.
> 
> --
> Ced
>

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From malletc3 at cti.ecp.fr  Tue May 28 02:20:23 2002
From: malletc3 at cti.ecp.fr (Cédric Mallet)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 04:20:23 +0200
Subject: [icecast] LiveIce and Zope
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mardi 28 mai 2002, 04:04:35, Luis M. Gallardo D. a ?crit :

> Are you using liveice with -@ 2 option?

Yes, actually I tried -@ 1, -@ 2, with or without >/dev/null, that does
not change anything.

> You can see liveice's options by running it with the -h switch.

> I hope it helps you.

> ---
> Luis Gallardo.
> Caracas - Venezuela.

> C?dric Mallet wrote:
>> 
>> I have a very weird problem between Liveice and Zope.
>> 
>> I start LiveIce with a script shell that works well. Since I want to run
>> it under a Zope page I made a Zope "external method" to run the script
>> through a Python module. When I call the method, the script is called by a
>> function in the python module, and runs, but LiveIce does not work (seems
>> like it does not even start). The weird thing is that if I use the
>> module file alone (in the python interpreter for example), everything
>> works fine and LiveIce starts.
>> 
>> To sum up what I have :
>> 
>> Liveice <---> shell script <----> python module <----> Zope (external
>> method)
>> 
>> I can go from the module to LiveIce and from Zope to the script, but I
>> would like to go from Zope down to LiveIce... I used this method to run
>> IceS and everything worked fine, but I can't find out what's wrong with
>> LiveIce.
>> 
>> Any comment or idea would be really welcome before I get completely crazy.
>> 
>> --
>> Ced
>>

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From malletc3 at cti.ecp.fr  Tue May 28 02:55:48 2002
From: malletc3 at cti.ecp.fr (Cédric Mallet)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 04:55:48 +0200
Subject: [icecast] LiveIce and Zope
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mardi 28 mai 2002, 03:34:19, C?dric Mallet a ?crit :

> I have a very weird problem between Liveice and Zope.

I finally got it : this is basically a problem with the archive file...

Sorry for the noise.

Ced

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From matt at sprout.org  Tue May 28 03:19:16 2002
From: matt at sprout.org (Matt Boersma)
Date: Mon, 27 May 2002 21:19:16 -0600
Subject: darkice problems (was Re: [icecast] Propping up liveice)
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I tried darkice 0.9 with icecast 1.3.12 and lame 3.91.  I specified a 64k 
stream and similar options to what works for us with liveice.

Streaming worked successfully, and I applaud darkice for being fairly 
simple to build and configure.  But the stream sounded like mud.  It was 
worse than our 16k mono RealAudio stream.  I re-examined my config, I 
rebuilt everything with gcc 2.96, then with gcc 3.01, with no compiler 
opts, with some agressive ones, and even tried a prebuilt Mandrake RPM for 
lame, thinking that darkice's interfacing with the lame shared lib might 
have been a problem.  But no luck--it still sounded horrible.

I then consulted this newsgroup's archives and did some googling and found 
a couple references that implied that darkice was now more focused on 
icecast 2 support and now had broken lame support for icecast 1.x.  I 
assumed that was my problem.  I thought about building an older 
darkice--maybe 0.5 or whichever was the last one *not* to require lame as 
a shared lib--but had already put too much effort into it.

If other folks have it working correctly for a 24x7 live 64k stream 
against iceast 1.3.12, I'm all ears.

-Matt

<p>On Sunday, May 26, 2002, at 11:27  PM, Akos Maroy wrote:

> Matt Boersma wrote:
>> on the average of every couple weeks.  I tried darkice, but it doesn't 
>> deal with lame correctly.  So I wrote a script to resurrect liveice when
>
> Could you elaborate on this? In what respect does darkice not deal with 
> lame correctly?
>
>
> Akos
>
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From darkeye at tyrell.hu  Tue May 28 06:18:20 2002
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:18:20 +0200
Subject: darkice problems (was Re: [icecast] Propping up liveice)
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Matt Boersma wrote:
> I tried darkice 0.9 with icecast 1.3.12 and lame 3.91.  I specified a 
> 64k stream and similar options to what works for us with liveice.
> 
> Streaming worked successfully, and I applaud darkice for being fairly 
> simple to build and configure.  But the stream sounded like mud.  It was 

Try to get the darkice sources from the CVS, which gives you the 
possibility to specify the encoding quality for both mp3 and Ogg Vorbis 
streams. (See the quality option in the configuration file.)

> I then consulted this newsgroup's archives and did some googling and 
> found a couple references that implied that darkice was now more focused 
> on icecast 2 support and now had broken lame support for icecast 1.x.  I 

This is not true. DarkIce is not more focused in either direction, it 
supports icecast 1.x, shoutcast for mp3 streaming and icecast 2 for Ogg 
Vorbis streaming just the same. It is not biased in either direction.

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From darkeye at tyrell.hu  Tue May 28 06:21:51 2002
From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 08:21:51 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Propping up liveice
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C?dric Mallet wrote:
>>Could you elaborate on this? In what respect does darkice not deal with 
>>lame correctly?
> 
> 
> Personnally I have those error messages repeting with darkice :
> "Internal buffer inconsistency. flushbits <> ResvSize"
> 
> According to what I found on the Net this looks like a Lame bug,
> espescially when Lame is used with the -h option (removing it solved the
> problem in LiveIce).

There you go, this is a lame bug. Most probably you have compiled lame 
with RedHat's gcc 2.96, which is a no-no. This means that you can't 
encode with using command-line lame either, as you'll get the same error 
messages. Use gcc 2.91 or gcc 3 to compile lame properly.
(I don't see how can one percieve this to be a bug of darkice.)

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From bb at cactii.net  Tue May 28 11:56:11 2002
From: bb at cactii.net (Ben Buxton)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 21:56:11 +1000
Subject: [icecast] ogg bitrate scaling
Message-ID: <20020528215611.A15235@cactii.net>



I'm trying to get a bitrate scaled live ogg stream working,
but I've not found out how to get this running with the
current tools. I've downloaded the CVS icecast2, and darkice,
but the only option seems to be if the same stream is actually
encoded multiple times at different bitrates. This is not
good for my cpu.
Can I get bitrate scaled ogg streams working with the current
tools? Also will any solution work with static streams?

Thanks.

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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au  Tue May 28 12:45:33 2002
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 22:45:33 +1000
Subject: [icecast] ogg bitrate scaling
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At 09:56 PM 5/28/02 +1000, you wrote:
>
>I'm trying to get a bitrate scaled live ogg stream working,
>but I've not found out how to get this running with the
>current tools. I've downloaded the CVS icecast2, and darkice,
>but the only option seems to be if the same stream is actually
>encoded multiple times at different bitrates. This is not
>good for my cpu.
>Can I get bitrate scaled ogg streams working with the current
>tools? Also will any solution work with static streams?

Bitrate scaling (we generally refer to it as bitrate 'peeling') is not
implemented in any production-level tools. That'll be a few months yet.

ices2 works efficiently and very reliably for both live, reencoded, and
static streams. If you want to try 'off-line' peeling (and then streaming
the peeled files later), you can try segher's experimental peeler (if you
can't find it without help, you probably shouldn't be using it - it's far
from finished :-)

Michael

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From christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr  Tue May 28 12:48:54 2002
From: christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr (christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 14:48:54 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 documentation
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I try to run the Icecast2 server, but when i start:
icecast -c icecast.xml
the server print the xml file and stop immediately..

Is a documentation exist?


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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au  Tue May 28 13:12:02 2002
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 23:12:02 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 documentation
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At 02:48 PM 5/28/02 +0200, you wrote:
>I try to run the Icecast2 server, but when i start:
>icecast -c icecast.xml
>the server print the xml file and stop immediately..

Are you sure you're using a vaguely current version? This sounds like
you're using a very old version.

Michael

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From devin at moonglade.com  Tue May 28 23:43:53 2002
From: devin at moonglade.com (Devin J. Campbell)
Date: Tue, 28 May 2002 16:43:53 -0700
Subject: [icecast] IceS with Perl segfault
Message-ID: <20020528164353.C7795@moonglade.com>



I'm running Icecast 1.3.12 with IceS 0.2.3.

I've run into a couple of issues with this new version of IceS.  One I can
get around, the other is causing me much frustration.

With IceS 0.2.2 I had the server name in the ices.conf file set to
localhost:
<Server>
  <Hostname>localhost</Hostname>
</Server>

Worked fine for many months.  When I upgraded to 0.2.3 I suddenly got a
segfault on the gethostbyname() call in util.c.  Changing localhost to
127.0.0.1 works and is fine as a workaround.  Localhost is in my /etc/hosts
file, it should work.  While this may not directly be IceS' fault I thought
the info should be passed along.

The other problem I've been working on is writing a Perl playlist handler. 
I've got a version that works fine with text files, but I wanted to get
fancy and take the entries out of a database (postgresql) as well as store
info about when songs are played and when certain songs should be played,
etc.  There's probably already tools out there to do this, but I'm doing it
for fun in my spare time. (I'm funny that way)  I have the DB working and a
nice little Perl script to pull data from it, I've made an ices.pm file that
can be loaded with a use statement from a test script and it works fine. 
But, as soon as I place it in production IceS segfaults when it hits the
'use DBI;' statement in ices.pm.  Comment out 'use DBI;' and it loads fine. 
The segfault is happening on the perl_parse() call in pm_perl.c.

So, the question is, since I'm not that familiar with embedded perl, do I
need to do anything unusual to load a module in ices.pm?  Shouldn't 'use
DBI;' work the same here as it would in a normal Perl module/script?

Any thoughts on the matter are greatly appreciated!

Have a great day,
Devin

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From christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr  Wed May 29 11:43:53 2002
From: christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr (christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 13:43:53 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 documentation
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I use the cvs version:
cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot login
cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout ice2
cd ice2
cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout avl
cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout log
cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout httpp
cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout net
cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout thread
./autogen.sh
make

<p>Surlignage Michael Smith <msmith at labyrinth.net.au>:
> >I try to run the Icecast2 server, but when i start:
> >icecast -c icecast.xml
> >the server print the xml file and stop immediately..
> 
> Are you sure you're using a vaguely current version? This sounds like
> you're using a very old version.


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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au  Wed May 29 12:00:25 2002
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 22:00:25 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 documentation
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Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020529220025.419f5400@mail.labyrinth.net.au>



At 01:43 PM 5/29/02 +0200, you wrote:
>I use the cvs version:
>cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot login
>cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout ice2
>cd ice2
>cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout avl
>cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout log
>cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout httpp
>cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout net
>cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout thread
>./autogen.sh

Wrong cvs module. Wrong cvs server. xiph.org, and the module is
called icecast.

Michael

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From adam at xs4all.nl  Wed May 29 12:09:15 2002
From: adam at xs4all.nl (adam)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:09:15 +0200 (CEST)
Subject: [icecast] install doc v0.00001
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hey all,

maybe i am dumb but it took me a few hours to work out which cvs was
which and where ogg went etc etc...so i am completing some documentation
(the icantcode site was down too when i checked last time, is it still
alive?)

anyway, I am going to make some good documentation for my site soon but
heres a skeleton including some snippets from docs online already - appologies
in advance for plagarism, when i put it online proper i will credit
each part(if you see any mistakes please tell me, also i will include
a description when i get time on how to use cvs etc for those that have
never done it before)

also, for those that are interested i have just been part of setting up a
small FM network in NYC using Icecast and some home built transmitters :
http://fm.thing.net

anyways, i hope the steps i provide below will help someone

adam
"'free' as in 'radio'"
http://www.radioqualia.net

<p><p>Steps to compile Icecast on Linux.
1.      create a icecast directory on your machine
2.      using cvs download the sources from http://cvs.xiph.org/cvs.html
The log-in information for cvs is available here. You need the Icecast
source, so:

Set CVSROOT in your environment to:
:pserver:anoncvs at xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot
Log into the CVS repository using:
cvs login
When prompted for a password, reply anoncvs.
Then access modules using the typical:
cvs -z 1 co module
...substituting the specific desired module for module. The modules you
need are:
icecast
ogg
vorbis

Then change dir to icecast/src/

Then download the following modules from the same cvs:
avl
httpp
log
net
thread
timing

<p>3.      Build and Install Ogg and Vorbis in that order.
To do this either read the README in the Ogg or Vorbis directories. Or
follow these steps:
a.      change directory to Ogg. Run the autogen.sh file by typing this:
./autogen.sh

b.      run the make file my typing this:
make

c.      run the make install process by typing this:
make install

Then do the same within the Vorbis directory.

<p>4.      Compile and install icecast.
a. make sure libxml or libxml2 and their development libraries are
installed.  These are standard libraries and may exist on your machine
already, to find out if they are there type:
locate libxml

If there no results then goto google and find the distributions, download,
and install. We were using redhat so we found the rpms at:

ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/7.1/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/

and download and install the following:
libxml2-2.4.19-4.i386.rpm
libxml2-devel-2.4.19-4.i386.rpm

We also had a problem when compiling Icecast that parser.h, tree.h, and
xmlmemory.h (from xmllib) were in the wrong directories so we copied them
to:
/usr/include/libxml
b. run autogen.sh in the Icecast directory by typing:
./autogen.sh

c. run configure, and specify where the Ogg and Vorbis directories are, do
this by typing the following:
./configure .with-ogg-prefix=/usr/include/ogg
.with-vorbis-prefix=/usr/include/vorbis

d. then run make:
make

e. then run make install:
make install

This will put Icecast in /usr/local/bin/f. Then use this default config
file:
http://www.xiph.org/archives/icecast/att-1110/01-icecast.xml

You should have a file that looks like this:
- <icecast>
  <location>Linux-speakup.org</location>
  <admin>geoff at braille.uwo.ca</admin>
- <limits>
  <clients>100</clients>
  <sources>10</sources>
  <threadpool>5</threadpool>
  <client-timeout>15</client-timeout>
  </limits>
  <source-password>audio</source-password>
- <directory>
  <touch-freq>5</touch-freq>
- <server>
  <host>yp.icecast.org</host>
  <touch-freq>15</touch-freq>
  </server>
  </directory>
  <hostname>bumpy.braille.uwo.ca</hostname>
  <port>9000</port>
- <!--
<bind-address>129.100.109.31</bind-address>
  -->
- <paths>
  <basedir>/usr/friends/geoff/ice2</basedir>
  <logdir>/usr/friends/geoff/ice2</logdir>
  </paths>
- <logging>
  <accesslog>access.log</accesslog>
  <errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
  </logging>
  </icecast>

Call it, icecast.xml and save it wherever you like.
The things to change in this file are:
i) change   <hostname>bumpy.braille.uwo.ca</hostname>
by replacing bumpy.braille.uwo.ca with the domainname of your server.

ii) change <logdir>/usr/friends/geoff/ice2</logdir> by replacing
/usr/friends/geoff/ice2 with a path to where you want your logs to be
kept.

iii) change   <port>9000</port> to whatever port you want to use for
streaming (important for when you configure your encoder)

iv) change the password for the encoder at
<source-password>audio</source-password>

<p><p>5.      run Icecast by typing:
icecast .c pathname

where pathname is the location of your icecast.xml file, remember to
include the filename in the path. For example:

icecast .c /usr/local/icecast.xml

that.s it!

<p><p><p><p>On Wed, 29 May 2002, Michael Smith wrote:

> At 01:43 PM 5/29/02 +0200, you wrote:
> >I use the cvs version:
> >cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot login
> >cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout ice2
> >cd ice2
> >cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout avl
> >cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout log
> >cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout httpp
> >cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout net
> >cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout thread
> >./autogen.sh
>
> Wrong cvs module. Wrong cvs server. xiph.org, and the module is
> called icecast.
>
> Michael
>
>
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From maarten.stolte at veronica.nl  Wed May 29 12:38:55 2002
From: maarten.stolte at veronica.nl (Maarten Stolte)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 14:38:55 +0200
Subject: [icecast] install doc v0.00001
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] install doc v0.00001>
Message-ID: <57EE96C0787A9F4C8131E7F2CDD0E5372FA7D0@as-olympia-05>


I'll add our init script for redhat to it then:

note: it does work, but restarting is not always working, due to ports still being open :-(

---------------------------------------------------------------------
#!/bin/sh
#
# description: starts/stops the ices audioencoder
#
# chkconfig: 345 99 20
#
# Source function library.
. /etc/rc.d/init.d/functions

ICES_BIN="/opt/ices2/bin/ices"
ICES_CONF="/opt/ices2/etc/ices-live.xml"
PID_FILE="/var/run/ices2_station.pid"

# See how we were called.
case "$1" in
  start)
        echo "Setting line in mixer value's"
        action /usr/bin/aumix -L -f /root/.aumixrc >> /dev/null
        echo "Starting Ices station encoder"
        ${ICES_BIN} ${ICES_CONF} & >> /dev/null
        ICESPID=$!
        echo "Writing process ID ${ICESPID} in ${PID_FILE}"
        echo "${ICESPID}" > ${PID_FILE}
        ;;
  stop)
        echo "Shutting down Ices station encoder"
        killproc ${ICES_BIN}
        rm -rf ${PID_FILE}
        ;;
  restart)
        $0 stop
        sleep 6
        $0 start
        ;;
  *)
        echo "Usage: $0 {start|stop|restart}"
        exit 1
esac

exit 0

Maarten

<p>-----Original Message-----
From:	adam [mailto:adam at xs4all.nl]
Sent:	Wed 5/29/2002 2:09 PM
To:	icecast at xiph.org
Cc:	
Subject:	[icecast] install doc v0.00001
hey all,

maybe i am dumb but it took me a few hours to work out which cvs was
which and where ogg went etc etc...so i am completing some documentation
(the icantcode site was down too when i checked last time, is it still
alive?)

anyway, I am going to make some good documentation for my site soon but
heres a skeleton including some snippets from docs online already - appologies
in advance for plagarism, when i put it online proper i will credit
each part(if you see any mistakes please tell me, also i will include
a description when i get time on how to use cvs etc for those that have
never done it before)

also, for those that are interested i have just been part of setting up a
small FM network in NYC using Icecast and some home built transmitters :
http://fm.thing.net

anyways, i hope the steps i provide below will help someone

adam
"'free' as in 'radio'"
http://www.radioqualia.net

<p><p>Steps to compile Icecast on Linux.
1.      create a icecast directory on your machine
2.      using cvs download the sources from http://cvs.xiph.org/cvs.html
The log-in information for cvs is available here. You need the Icecast
source, so:

Set CVSROOT in your environment to:
:pserver:anoncvs at xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot
Log into the CVS repository using:
cvs login
When prompted for a password, reply anoncvs.
Then access modules using the typical:
cvs -z 1 co module
...substituting the specific desired module for module. The modules you
need are:
icecast
ogg
vorbis

Then change dir to icecast/src/

Then download the following modules from the same cvs:
avl
httpp
log
net
thread
timing

<p>3.      Build and Install Ogg and Vorbis in that order.
To do this either read the README in the Ogg or Vorbis directories. Or
follow these steps:
a.      change directory to Ogg. Run the autogen.sh file by typing this:
./autogen.sh

b.      run the make file my typing this:
make

c.      run the make install process by typing this:
make install

Then do the same within the Vorbis directory.

<p>4.      Compile and install icecast.
a. make sure libxml or libxml2 and their development libraries are
installed.  These are standard libraries and may exist on your machine
already, to find out if they are there type:
locate libxml

If there no results then goto google and find the distributions, download,
and install. We were using redhat so we found the rpms at:

ftp://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/7.1/en/os/i386/RedHat/RPMS/

and download and install the following:
libxml2-2.4.19-4.i386.rpm
libxml2-devel-2.4.19-4.i386.rpm

We also had a problem when compiling Icecast that parser.h, tree.h, and
xmlmemory.h (from xmllib) were in the wrong directories so we copied them
to:
/usr/include/libxml
b. run autogen.sh in the Icecast directory by typing:
./autogen.sh

c. run configure, and specify where the Ogg and Vorbis directories are, do
this by typing the following:
./configure .with-ogg-prefix=/usr/include/ogg
.with-vorbis-prefix=/usr/include/vorbis

d. then run make:
make

e. then run make install:
make install

This will put Icecast in /usr/local/bin/f. Then use this default config
file:
http://www.xiph.org/archives/icecast/att-1110/01-icecast.xml

You should have a file that looks like this:
- <icecast>
  <location>Linux-speakup.org</location>
  <admin>geoff at braille.uwo.ca</admin>
- <limits>
  <clients>100</clients>
  <sources>10</sources>
  <threadpool>5</threadpool>
  <client-timeout>15</client-timeout>
  </limits>
  <source-password>audio</source-password>
- <directory>
  <touch-freq>5</touch-freq>
- <server>
  <host>yp.icecast.org</host>
  <touch-freq>15</touch-freq>
  </server>
  </directory>
  <hostname>bumpy.braille.uwo.ca</hostname>
  <port>9000</port>
- <!--
<bind-address>129.100.109.31</bind-address>
  -->
- <paths>
  <basedir>/usr/friends/geoff/ice2</basedir>
  <logdir>/usr/friends/geoff/ice2</logdir>
  </paths>
- <logging>
  <accesslog>access.log</accesslog>
  <errorlog>error.log</errorlog>
  </logging>
  </icecast>

Call it, icecast.xml and save it wherever you like.
The things to change in this file are:
i) change   <hostname>bumpy.braille.uwo.ca</hostname>
by replacing bumpy.braille.uwo.ca with the domainname of your server.

ii) change <logdir>/usr/friends/geoff/ice2</logdir> by replacing
/usr/friends/geoff/ice2 with a path to where you want your logs to be
kept.

iii) change   <port>9000</port> to whatever port you want to use for
streaming (important for when you configure your encoder)

iv) change the password for the encoder at
<source-password>audio</source-password>

<p><p>5.      run Icecast by typing:
icecast .c pathname

where pathname is the location of your icecast.xml file, remember to
include the filename in the path. For example:

icecast .c /usr/local/icecast.xml

that.s it!

<p><p><p><p>On Wed, 29 May 2002, Michael Smith wrote:

> At 01:43 PM 5/29/02 +0200, you wrote:
> >I use the cvs version:
> >cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot login
> >cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout ice2
> >cd ice2
> >cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout avl
> >cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout log
> >cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout httpp
> >cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout net
> >cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout thread
> >./autogen.sh
>
> Wrong cvs module. Wrong cvs server. xiph.org, and the module is
> called icecast.
>
> Michael
>
>
> --- >8 ----
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> icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/
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> containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body.  No subject is needed.
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>

<p><p><p>Adam Hyde
XS4ALL Internet B.V.
mobile : + (31) 06 2903 6248

Eekholt 42
1112 XH
Diemen
Amsterdam

"free, as in 'radio'"

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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Wed May 29 13:46:57 2002
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (Moritz Grimm)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 15:46:57 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Icecast2 documentation
In-Reply-To: <1022672633.3cf4bef99c41a@etud.univ-pau.fr>
Message-ID: <3CF4DBD1.8E193102@gmx.net>



christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr wrote:
> I use the cvs version:
> cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot login
> cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout ice2
> cd ice2
> cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout avl
> cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout log
> cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout httpp
> cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout net
> cvs -d :pserver:anonymous at cvs.icecast.org:/cvsroot checkout thread
> ./autogen.sh
> make

Try the guide on www.xiph.org/cvs.html

cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot login
cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot -z 9 co icecast
cd icecast
less HACKING
cd src
cvs -d :pserver:anoncvs at xiph.org:/usr/local/cvsroot -z 9 co net thread \
  httpp log timing avl
./autogen.sh
# ./configure --help
./configure
# (I already pass the configure parameters to autogen.sh and use
#  them on both)
make
make install
# use gmake on *BSD

<p>Moritz

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Wed May 29 14:26:06 2002
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 00:26:06 +1000
Subject: [icecast] install doc v0.00001
In-Reply-To: <Pine.BSI.4.33L2.0205291401100.26017-100000@xs4.xs4all.nl>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205300009230.517-100000@data.home>



On Wed, 29 May 2002, adam wrote:

> cvs -z 1 co module
> ...substituting the specific desired module for module. The modules you
> need are:
> icecast
> ogg
> vorbis

Using Vorbis from CVS is not a good idea except perhaps just prior to a
release.  there are times when its functionality is severely reduced or it
just plain doesn't compile.  I'd suggest going with stock standard RC3
release tarballs until we hear there's something functional and improved to
grab from CVS, or we hear that icecast CVS requires the use of Vorbis CVS
for some new feature or something.  The last thing that people who wish to
simply run a server want to see is a batch of problems caused by unstable
Vorbis code.

> You should have a file that looks like this:
> - <icecast>
>   <location>Linux-speakup.org</location>

Note that I wrote up this file almost 12 months ago, and parameters may
have been added since I wrote it.

BTW: If you want to hear a stream this server broadcasts, you can check out
Kirk's broadband egoplay stream at
http://bumpy.braille.uwo.ca:9000/egoplay.ogg

Geoff.

<p>
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From gshang at uq.net.au  Wed May 29 14:28:56 2002
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 00:28:56 +1000
Subject: darkice problems (was Re: [icecast] Propping up liveice)
In-Reply-To: <B11988C4-71E9-11D6-B815-00306571D79E@sprout.org>
Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.44.0205300026420.517-100000@data.home>



On Mon, 27 May 2002, Matt Boersma wrote:

> Streaming worked successfully, and I applaud darkice for being fairly
> simple to build and configure.  But the stream sounded like mud.  It was
> worse than our 16k mono RealAudio stream.

Can you post your config?  Maybe one of us will see something you've
overlooked.

Geoff.

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From darrendavid at thebomb.com  Wed May 29 17:06:53 2002
From: darrendavid at thebomb.com (darren david)
Date: Wed, 29 May 2002 10:06:53 -0700
Subject: [icecast] restart from the beginning of the playlist
Message-ID: <p0511170db91ab8f00ec4@[10.0.1.36]>



hi all-

o i finally got ices/icecast up and running on OS X 10.1.4 (sweet!), 
and now i'm trying to tie it in with a PHP front-end client that we 
built a while back to handle jukebox functionality. any thoughts on 
how can i send a SIGHUP/SIGUSR1 signal to ices from PHP? or more 
generally, how to reload the playlist and move to the next track from 
within PHP...

the client used to work with streamcast, but that doesn't seem to run 
too well on OS X. <<sigh>>

thanks in advance,
darren david


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From christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr  Thu May 30 08:29:45 2002
From: christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr (christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:29:45 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Problem with Ices and Icecast2
Message-ID: <1022747385.3cf5e2f98b29c@etud.univ-pau.fr>



I've got a problem, iI can't send inforamtion to my Icecast2 server with Ices.

When I start Ices, Ices print:
Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/music, error: Could not
login on server. Server message: 
Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/music, error: Could not
login on server. Server message:

And Icecast2 print:
connection added....
DEBUG: parsing failed
connection added....
DEBUG: parsing failed

Tank you in advance.

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From christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr  Thu May 30 08:29:37 2002
From: christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr (christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 10:29:37 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Problem with Ices and Icecast2
Message-ID: <1022747377.3cf5e2f113891@etud.univ-pau.fr>



I've got a problem, iI can't send inforamtion to my Icecast2 server with Ices.

When I start Ices, Ices print:
Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/music, error: Could not
login on server. Server message: 
Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:8000/music, error: Could not
login on server. Server message:

And Icecast2 print:
connection added....
DEBUG: parsing failed
connection added....
DEBUG: parsing failed

Tank you in advance.

-- 
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(christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr)

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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au  Thu May 30 09:53:07 2002
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 19:53:07 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Problem with Ices and Icecast2
In-Reply-To: <1022747377.3cf5e2f113891@etud.univ-pau.fr>
Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020530195307.41a37a30@mail.labyrinth.net.au>



At 10:29 AM 5/30/02 +0200, you wrote:
>I've got a problem, iI can't send inforamtion to my Icecast2 server with Ices.

You need ices2.

Michael

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From christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr  Thu May 30 13:44:44 2002
From: christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr (christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 15:44:44 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Problem with Ices and Icecast2
In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Problem with Ices and Icecast2>
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Thanks a lot for your help...

If you need Ices2 for streaming ogg with Icecast, which is the utility of
Ogg-Vorbis support of ices1 ?

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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Thu May 30 14:18:51 2002
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (Moritz Grimm)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 16:18:51 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Problem with Ices and Icecast2
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None, Icecast1 doesn't support Ogg Vorbis streaming.

<p>Moritz

P.S.: Getting ices2 works the same like getting icecast2. If you run
Linux, you can try it - I couldn't compile it under OpenBSD though
because of (currently) mandatory GNU stuff.

<p>christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr wrote:
> 
> Thanks a lot for your help...
> 
> If you need Ices2 for streaming ogg with Icecast, which is the utility of
> Ogg-Vorbis support of ices1 ?

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From msmith at labyrinth.net.au  Thu May 30 15:20:04 2002
From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 01:20:04 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Problem with Ices and Icecast2
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At 04:18 PM 5/30/02 +0200, you wrote:
>None, Icecast1 doesn't support Ogg Vorbis streaming.
>
>
>Moritz
>
>P.S.: Getting ices2 works the same like getting icecast2. If you run
>Linux, you can try it - I couldn't compile it under OpenBSD though
>because of (currently) mandatory GNU stuff.

Which won't get fixed if you don't _tell_ me about it. Let me know what
the problem(s) are, and I can at least try to do something about them.

Michael

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From cmmiller1973 at yahoo.com  Thu May 30 15:32:04 2002
From: cmmiller1973 at yahoo.com (CM Miller)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 08:32:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [icecast] Info on Icecast/Shoutcast
Message-ID: <20020530153204.39652.qmail@web20401.mail.yahoo.com>



I've been lurkin' for awhile and reading up on stuff
out there on the web. 

But, do you really need to have Shoutcast in order to
run Icecast?  I've looked thru the icecast.config file
and looks like you can set a path you MP3 directory,
correct? 

Also, I'm able to manage the icecast server from a web
browser correct.  I entered in
http://phoenix.miller.com:8000 and it brought up a
html interface but I wasn't sure how to run those
command, or could I run them from a terminal session
window in Redhat?  

I'm going to try and broadcast later this week, and I
may have to post on this list again if I have any more
questions/problems.

thanks

-Chris  

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From gtgbr at gmx.net  Thu May 30 16:47:14 2002
From: gtgbr at gmx.net (Moritz Grimm)
Date: Thu, 30 May 2002 18:47:14 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Problem with Ices and Icecast2
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Michael Smith wrote:
> >P.S.: Getting ices2 works the same like getting icecast2. If you run
> >Linux, you can try it - I couldn't compile it under OpenBSD though
> >because of (currently) mandatory GNU stuff.
>
> Which won't get fixed if you don't _tell_ me about it. Let me know what
> the problem(s) are, and I can at least try to do something about them.

Oh, sorry, I thought we had this conversation already ...

Hm, see http://www.xiph.org/archives/icecast/2712.html and maybe my
orginal message at http://www.xiph.org/archives/icecast/2708.html - in
your reply to 2712.html, you suggest me writing a patch. :D Well, this
is far beyond my skills, I am really no programmer. I think I could
patch you a non-working Hello World program, though, but that's about
it. ;P

I just remember that I wanted to dig deeper into that ogg123 coredump,
which I completely forgot about. I still don't have time right now, but
I'm trying to remember it better - and also try it on newest CVS. (It
wasn't an rc3 problem, iirc.)

<p>Moritz

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From lemmingsml at nerim.fr  Fri May 31 06:51:32 2002
From: lemmingsml at nerim.fr (EISELE Pascal)
Date: 31 May 2002 08:51:32 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Multiple bitrate from the same source ?
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Hi,

I'd like to broadcast the same source at multiple bitrate. Is it
possible ? Have you got some clues ? 

Regards,
Pascal

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From christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr  Fri May 31 07:19:45 2002
From: christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr (christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 09:19:45 +0200
Subject: [icecast] Multiple bitrate from the same source ?
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> I'd like to broadcast the same source at multiple bitrate. Is it
> possible ? Have you got some clues ? 

Of course you can, there are many softwares wich do that, but the most
performant for me are:

--->ices (prerecorded MP3)
You must run ices with reencoding, and run second ices with a different bitrate,
run a third ices with another birate....

--->darkice (live recording)
darkice can reencoding the orginal source (microphone) in 8 differents bitrates.

You must know reencoding use CPU ressource.

In hoping help you...

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Fri May 31 14:38:18 2002
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:38:18 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Multiple bitrate from the same source ?
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On 31 May 2002, EISELE Pascal wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'd like to broadcast the same source at multiple bitrate. Is it
> possible ? Have you got some clues ?

Do you want to broadcast using Vorbis or MP3?  Is this live content or
predefined playlists?  I think in most if not all cases, the answer to your
question is 'yes', but we'll need to know some specifics before we can tell
you how to do it.

Geoff.

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From gshang at uq.net.au  Fri May 31 14:41:02 2002
From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2002 00:41:02 +1000
Subject: [icecast] Multiple bitrate from the same source ?
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On Fri, 31 May 2002 christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr wrote:

> --->ices (prerecorded MP3)
> You must run ices with reencoding, and run second ices with a different bitrate,
> run a third ices with another birate....

Can't you do it all from the one instance?  I'm pretty sure I've seen it
done.

Geoff.

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From brendan at icecast.org  Fri May 31 16:14:57 2002
From: brendan at icecast.org (Brendan Cully)
Date: Fri, 31 May 2002 12:14:57 -0400
Subject: [icecast] Multiple bitrate from the same source ?
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On Saturday, 01 June 2002 at 00:41, Geoff Shang wrote:
> On Fri, 31 May 2002 christophe.guerin at etud.univ-pau.fr wrote:
> 
> > --->ices (prerecorded MP3)
> > You must run ices with reencoding, and run second ices with a different bitrate,
> > run a third ices with another birate....
> 
> Can't you do it all from the one instance?  I'm pretty sure I've seen it
> done.

Yes, you can, and it should save you some CPU to do this, since it means the
MP3->PCM decoding is done only once.

Just declare multiple stream sections in the playlist file.

-b

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