From joly at dti.net Fri Feb 1 05:55:19 2002 From: joly at dti.net (WWWhatsup) Date: Fri, 01 Feb 2002 00:55:19 -0500 Subject: [icecast] multicast (was streaming) In-Reply-To: <3C58A704.9030508@stationplaylist.com> Message-ID: <3C5A2DC7.1050001@dti.net> it could be a bit of a minefield - i seem to remember reading of the requests for some fairly wide patents a couple of years back by um, vtrails, on anything that involves browsers http://groups.yahoo.com/group/isoc-ny/message/20 the most effective multicast sevice i've seen is swarmcast - a slashdot thread on the topic of software distro has recent words from the author http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/09/29/1647255&mode=thread and the fruits of his labors are on http://onionnetworks.com/components.html Ross Levis wrote: > This may be interesting to some. > > I recently discovered AllCast.com which has developed a p2p streaming > solution. Unfortunately they decided to use WMA due to it's video > capability but hopefully they could be presuaded to switch to Vorbis > later when Tarkin is available. For audio though, it appears a good way > to reduce bandwidth requirements at the broadcasting end and potentially > provide for an unlimited number of listeners. Maybe IceCast could > implement the same sort of technology. > > Cheers, > Ross. > > >

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Regards, Bryan Payne Spacial*Audio Solutions 1-806-740-4100 - office bryan at audiorealm.com www.audiorealm.com - It's how the "Web Sounds Today!" www.spacialaudio.com - SAM development.. ----- Original Message ----- From: "WWWhatsup" To: Sent: Thursday, January 31, 2002 11:55 PM Subject: [icecast] multicast (was streaming)

> it could be a bit of a minefield - i seem to remember reading > of the requests for some fairly wide patents a couple of years > back by um, vtrails, on anything that involves browsers > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/isoc-ny/message/20 > > the most effective multicast sevice i've seen is swarmcast - > a slashdot thread on the topic of software distro has > recent words from the author > http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=01/09/29/1647255&mode=thread > and the fruits of his labors are on > http://onionnetworks.com/components.html > > Ross Levis wrote: > > > This may be interesting to some. > > > > I recently discovered AllCast.com which has developed a p2p streaming > > solution. Unfortunately they decided to use WMA due to it's video > > capability but hopefully they could be presuaded to switch to Vorbis > > later when Tarkin is available. For audio though, it appears a good way > > to reduce bandwidth requirements at the broadcasting end and potentially > > provide for an unlimited number of listeners. Maybe IceCast could > > implement the same sort of technology. > > > > Cheers, > > Ross. > > > > > > > > > > -- > ___________________________________________ > WWWhatsup NYC - http://pinstand.com > http://punkcast.com - http://streamola.com > ___________________________________________ > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.

> On Fri, 2002-02-01 at 07:48, Bryan Payne wrote: > > Hi Jack, Ross & all... > > > > We have been working with V-Trails in refining their solution for Mp3 > > streaming and will be bearing the fruits of this labor starting this weekend > > publicly with 5 different "Audiorealm Network" stations for first initial > > public testing - after final testing we look to release this solution > > NETWORK wide - making the Audiorealm.com Network effectively the first > > Network 100% peer Multicast enabled. > > > > We successfully tested and refined their solution to work with our current > > WMA offerings and with the help of Louis our CTO, he helped define the new > > V-Trials Mp3 solution. Indeed this package works with either Windoze or Unix > > Icecast and Shoutcast mp3 servers. > > > > We are also looking at implementing the solution to support Ogg/Vorbis as WE > > HOPE everyone will gain more expectance of ogg/vorbis formats. > > > > SAM V-2 also coming in a Linux flavor thanks to Kylix and is enabled with > > the peer Multicast solution for reporting statistics, management and more... > > > > So indeed now standard unmodified Icecast or Shoutcast server solutions can > > function very nicely in a "Multicast" environment - all that it will take is > > the VT-caster Server component on your streaming servers Network > > infrastructure and the listener to endure a 1 time install of a small > > plugin. The listener will then still have the freedom to use ANY Mp3 > > streaming player/application they choose. We thoroughly tested VT-Caster > > system now for over 4 months with fantastic results - basically enhancing > > our Networks resource ability by about 85% and as we tweak it keeps getting > > better.. > > > > We've been asked by V-Trails to allow Slashdot to utilize the system for a > > Techcast scheduled sometime early next month as well - so I assume they will > > put our system through it's paces.. > > > > > Hi, > > sounds very cool, is this technique open for other broadcasters? > > Maarten > www.veronica.nl > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.

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The time is GMT 00:30, 03.02.02. It's February 3, the fourth anniversary of the day the Open Source Initiative coined the term 'open source' as a label for freely published source code . To mark this occasion, r a d i o q u a l i a are launching the first net.radio distribution of the world's most popular open source software - the operating system, Linux. Free Radio Linux is an online and on-air radio station. The sound transmission is a computerised reading of the entire source code used to create the Linux Kernel, the basis of all distributions of Linux. Each line of code is read by an automated computer voice - a speech.bot utility built by r a d i o q u a l i a. The speech.bot's output is encoded into an audio stream, using the open source codec, Ogg Vorbis , and sent out live on the internet. FM, AM and Shortwave radio stations from around the world will also relay the audio stream on various occasions. The Linux kernel contains 4,141,432 millions lines of code. Reading the entire kernel will take an estimated 14253.43 hours, or 593.89 days. Listeners can track the progress of Free Radio Linux by listening to the audio stream, or checking the text-based progress field in the ./listen section of the website

./ BACKGROUND : LINUX AND OPEN SOURCE Since Finnish programmer Linus Torvalds started development of the operating system, Linux in 1991, the collaborative model of software development has reached profound new heights. Consisting of millions of lines of source code, Linux has been mutated, improved and sent spiraling off into new directions by literally thousands of programmers from all around the world. This is because Torvalds promoted a simple approach to the development of Linux: he made the code available for users of the operating system to read, view and alter. Sharing their ideas on the software and potential improvements was a core part of Torvalds' ethic. Due to the extraordinary success of Linux, the ethic of code sharing has reached new heights of popularity. Code sharing is no longer a process specific to computer science, rather it has become an ideology embraced by business, the computer using public, and a multitude of cultural, artistic and academic sectors. When Linux won one of electronic art's most prestigious prizes, the Prix Ars Electronica for .net excellence in 1999, Open Source completed its journey from a prosaic functional process to a phenomenon verging on art.

./ FREE RADIO MEETS FREE SOFTWARE In the hierarchy of media, radio reigns. There are more computers than modems, more phones than computers, and more radios than phones. Radio is the closest we have to an egalitarian method of information distribution. Free Radio Linux advocates that radio is the best method for distributing the world's most popular free software. Free Radio Linux is therefore be a networked broadcast system, transmitting on ether-net via open source audio codec, Ogg Vorbis and relayed on AM, Shortwave and FM frequencies, by a collection of ham radio amateurs and radio professionals. Free Radio Linux also continues the tradition of FM 'code stations' of the early-mid eighties. These stations were pirate broadcasters who distributed bootleg software programmes via radio transmitters, allowing early hackers with home computers, such as Sinclair ZX80-81s, Commodore 64s, and Acorns, to demodulate the signal through a modem and run the code. The modern day equivalent, Free Radio Linux, similarly enables anyone with notepad to transcribe the code and utilise it at his or her convenience.

./ TECHNICAL SPECIFICATIONS To listen to Free Radio Linux online, users must have: - a computer - an internet connection - an MP3 Player - the Ogg Vorbis codec MP3 players and the Ogg Vorbis codec can be downloaded from the ./listen section of the Free Radio Linux website: Ogg Vorbis is compatible with Linux, Windows and Max OSX operating systems. --------------> Ogg Vorbis + Icecast Free Radio Linux utilises Ogg Vorbis because it is one of the only open source streaming audio codecs available. Whereas, MP3 is a patented technology (owned by Fraunhofer IIS-A , Thomson, and others ) Ogg Vorbis is a free, open, and unpatented. Encoding is enabled using the free Oddsock DSP plugin for Winamp. This encoder converts the live audio input from the speech.bot into a streaming Ogg Vorbis file. This file is then sent as a 'continuous stream' to the server. Free Radio Linux is served via a Icecast2 server for Unix, located at Montevideo in Amsterdam. This server is part of the Open Source Streaming Alliance .

--------------> Speech.bot Free Radio Linux is enabled by a speech.bot, which opens each individual page of the Linux kernel and converts the text to speech. Punctuation and special characters are read as Latin Unicode . For example '=' is read as 'equals sign'.

./ CREDITS Free Radio Linux is commissioned by Gallery 9/Walker Art Center with the support of the Jerome Foundation, USA. - Streaming server provided by Montevideo Time Based Arts, Netherlands. - website design by Vedran Gulin, mi2lab, Croatia. - r a d i o q u a l i a would also like to thank : Robert Geus, Virtual Artists, Elizabeth Zimmerman/Kunstradio, Oliver Thuns/radiostudio.org, oddsock.org, Rene Leithof, Michael Jordan/Linux.org, Matthew Leonard/Radio NZ, XS4ALL, Dave Mandl/WMFU, Micz Flor, Ted Byfield, Susan Kennard/Radio 90, Georgie Knight, Chris Barker, Nik Gaffney, Mr.Snow, Brian Proffitt/Linux Today, Jenny Marketou, and Steve Dietz.

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On Fri, 1 Feb 2002, smoerk wrote: > On Thu, 31 Jan 2002 14:46:27 +0100 (CET), adam wrote: > > >Can anyone point me at a url where i can learn to: > >1. display the name of the ogg stream in the winamp window (is this to do > >with the oddcast config or with the .pls file?) > > the name is "stored" in the header of the vorbis file you receive. > oddcast is using the name from the file you're playing, i don't know if > you could configure it with line-in streaming. use a linux and darkice > or ices or use ostream ;) (or ask the author of oddcast to add an > option for overriding the vorbis tags). > > i think the winamp plugin just ignores the names in the pls playlist > file, but i'm not sure. > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. >

--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From paul at dwerryhouse.com.au Sun Feb 3 12:59:41 2002 From: paul at dwerryhouse.com.au (Paul Dwerryhouse) Date: Sun, 3 Feb 2002 23:59:41 +1100 Subject: [icecast] Problems with xmms & freeamp Message-ID: <20020203125941.GA27760@localhost> Hi all, I've just set up a test icecast2 server (download and compiled from cvs about an hour ago) - very simple setup, all it does is use ices to stream in an .ogg file that I converted from an mp3, using mpg123 & oggenc. (I've used the sample conf files with the directory stuff removed. I've also tried it with and without the re-encoding lines from the ices-playlist.xml file). Now, this works beautifully if I play the stream with ogg123, but if I try to play it using xmms, it just buffers the stream over and over again (ie, it says Pre-Buffering 8KB... 16KB ... 24KB ... 32KB, shows the title quickly and then does that again and again...). If I try and play it with Freeamp, it says "Buffering up ... 20% ... 50% ... 100%" and then "Skipped corrupted file", and stops. No sound from either of the two programs. Now, the funny bit is that both XMMS and Freeamp work perfectly with the Ogg streams that the BBC have put up. Any ideas? I'm running it all on Debian Linux (latest sid stuff). Cheers, Paul. -- Paul Dwerryhouse "Why not just have the arresting officer execute you on the spot? If you turn out to be innocent, they can cancel the invoice for the bullet." -- sharkey --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From msmith at labyrinth.net.au Sun Feb 3 13:37:07 2002 From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (Michael Smith) Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 00:37:07 +1100 Subject: [icecast] Problems with xmms & freeamp In-Reply-To: <20020203125941.GA27760@localhost> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20020204003707.416e6b80@mail.labyrinth.net.au> At 11:59 PM 2/3/02 +1100, you wrote: > >Hi all, > >I've just set up a test icecast2 server (download and compiled from cvs >about an hour ago) - very simple setup, all it does is use ices to stream >in an .ogg file that I converted from an mp3, using mpg123 & oggenc. >(I've used the sample conf files with the directory stuff removed. I've >also tried it with and without the re-encoding lines from the >ices-playlist.xml file). > >Now, this works beautifully if I play the stream with ogg123, but if I >try to play it using xmms, it just buffers the stream over and over >again (ie, it says Pre-Buffering 8KB... 16KB ... 24KB ... 32KB, shows >the title quickly and then does that again and again...). > >If I try and play it with Freeamp, it says "Buffering up ... 20% ... 50% >... 100%" and then "Skipped corrupted file", and stops. No sound from >either of the two programs. > >Now, the funny bit is that both XMMS and Freeamp work perfectly with the >Ogg streams that the BBC have put up. > >Any ideas? I'm running it all on Debian Linux (latest sid stuff). > I just finished helping out another user with a similar problem - you've probably hit the same difficulty. Many of the really common media players (xmms, winamp, and presumably freeamp) have... design problems, that mean they don't actually know what to decode a stream with. So they try to decode using the mp3 code, generally. In most of these cases, this is overridden for vorbis streams only if the stream url ends with .ogg (because there's no better way to do it that will work without major restructuring of the players - this SHOULD be detected based on content-type, but isn't). So, if you change your mountpoint to end with .ogg, the players generally work much better. This is why the bbc streams, for example, have urls like http://ogg.bbc.co.uk:8001/radio1_high.ogg - to 'trick' broken players into decoding it correctly. I'll add a sentence or two explaining this to the ices README file sometime soon. Michael (wondering where he recognises the name Paul Dwerryhouse from...)

Typically the reason for this failure is that there is already a process listening on port 8005. Make sure there isn't another icecast running (ps -aux | grep icecast) with the same configuration. Failing that, try a netstat -a and see if any programs are listening at port 8005. If there is one listening, you'll see an entry that looks like this: tcp 0 0 *:8005 *:* LISTEN If this is the case, there is another program using the same port. You might want to try another port instead of 8005. Another thing to check is to make sure that if you have hostname defined in your icecast.conf file that it is a valid hostname. In other words, if you have hostname defined as 198.162.1.1, that has to be a valid IP address for one of your network interfaces. That would probably also result in icecast failing to bind to the listen address. Chris

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Moritz -- _______________________________________________________________________ "They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gr_major at hotmail.com Tue Feb 5 13:44:12 2002 From: gr_major at hotmail.com (Gary Major) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 08:44:12 -0500 Subject: [icecast] CPU Utilization Weirdness In-Reply-To: <5.1.0.14.0.20020204180918.036bde50@127.0.0.1> Message-ID: Did some more experimenting last night. When I changed icecast and ices back to 'daemon mode' they lasted for about 5 songs, before tanking. I then tried combinations of icecast as a daemon and ices not, and vice versa - same results. Even recompiled without any mods to icecast. The only thing that seems to work is starting the processes and piping them to null. The only disadvantage to that is that icecast sucks all available CPU although it seems to release its hold on the CPU when I start other programs. Interesting to note, that this same configuration ran perfectly on RH 6.2 with the default 2.2.x kernel. I have read about different peoples challenges with the default kernal that shipped with RH 7.1 so I will try to hack the recent 2.4.x kernel over the weekend and see what happens. Other alternative is to dedicate a machine to task running RH 6.2 but I don't really want to do that if I can at all avoid it. For the record, I am running 2 streams - different mount points but both using both the same port (8000). I am using the conf file for iceast, but am using command line parms for ices. Anyone have any other thoughts? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Woodson" To: Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 6:12 PM Subject: Re: [icecast] CPU Utilization Weirdness

> At 05:19 PM 2/4/2002 -0500, Gary Major wrote: > >Using Icecast 1.3.11 and Ices 0.2.2. Have compiled Ices with the optimize > >flags defined. Using PII 266 - 160MB, RH 7.1 with default kernel (2.4.7 i > >think) > > > >Situation that I have is interesting: > > Odd, I have them both running as background processes together with no > problem (then though I'm running FreeBSD 4.5-STABLE). And I didn't compile > with optimize flags. CPU utilization did hover around 40%, but that was > when I had it reencoding to a lower bitrate (320 to 190). PIII 450, 192MB. > > -Mark > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From xumrswimr at hotmail.com Tue Feb 5 15:54:26 2002 From: xumrswimr at hotmail.com (Bill Thomas) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 09:54:26 -0600 Subject: [icecast] Internet Streaming In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Internet Streaming> Message-ID: Ok, How ? I'm there isn't much support about this... Should I be playing with Relays or Aliases?

>From: Moritz Grimm >Reply-To: icecast at xiph.org >To: icecast at xiph.org >Subject: Re: [icecast] Internet Streaming >Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 02:47:51 +0100 > >Bill Thomas wrote: > > As of now, I can broadcast my stream to my school's local netowrk, but >how > > can I extend it to the "real internet" so people outside of my school's > > domain can hear it ? > >That depends on how your school's network is built up. If all hosts have >valid IPs (anything not within the reserved IP ranges for private >networks), anybody can connect to your server already, as long as your >firewall permits that. If you use private address ranges and do NAT and >icecast doesn't run on the gateway, you will have to redirect a port on >the gateway to the server. Example: > >Internet > | >Gateway tcp port redirect from > | to 10.10.0.10:8000 > | >10.10.0.10 icecast server on port 8000 > in the school's LAN > >People then can connect to http://>:/ >and listen to your stream. The network administrator of you school's >network should be able to answer all further questions, e.g. details on >how to make it work in your particular case. > > >Moritz > >-- >_______________________________________________________________________ >"They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, >deserve neither liberty or security" - Benjamin Franklin > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.

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> > The only thing that seems to work is starting the processes and piping them > > to null. The only disadvantage to that is that icecast sucks all available > > CPU although it seems to release its hold on the CPU when I start other > > programs. > > Now this is bringing back some memories. > > I thought only certain BSDs had this 'feature' that background processes > still used stdout/stderr and that was a no-no. > > Try this: > > 1) don't use the -b switch. Tell icecast to use console_mode 3 in the > config file. > > 2) run icecast like so: ./icecast > /dev/null 2> /dev/null > > 3) run ices hte same way. > > See if that helps at all. > > jack. > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at xiph.org Tue Feb 5 17:15:12 2002 From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:15:12 -0700 Subject: [icecast] CPU Utilization Weirdness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020205171512.GC1570@babyjesus.cantcode.com> > Thanks Jack - question tho: isn't using console mode 3 the same as using -b > (from the description in the conf file anyway) or it is the same but icecast > treat it differently at runtime. It certainly should be the same, but who knows :) jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at xiph.org Tue Feb 5 17:34:52 2002 From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 10:34:52 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Registering on Shoutcast In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020205173452.GG1570@babyjesus.cantcode.com> > Is there something other than enabling yp.shoutcast.com in iceast.conf to > get a stream registered at shoutcast? The shoutcast maintainers have decided not to let icecast users participate in the directory. I suggest you complain there. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From larry at wbhm.org Tue Feb 5 21:53:19 2002 From: larry at wbhm.org (Larry Owen) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 15:53:19 -0600 Subject: [icecast] Liveice - Multiple bitrates Message-ID: <3C60544F.7040909@wbhm.org> Hello, I'm new to list. I looked through archives and couldn't find an answer. Anyway, I serving a live stream using liveice. I want to serve it in High and low bitrates, is this possible? tanks, Larry Owen

--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From xchris at fastwebnet.it Tue Feb 5 23:13:19 2002 From: xchris at fastwebnet.it (xchris) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 00:13:19 +0100 Subject: [icecast] Winamp problems Message-ID: <3C5F3C050000B9AD@reiser.fastwebnet.it> I have problem connecting several sources when they are icy sources... If i use liveice i have no problem! But if i use winamp sometimes it doesn't accept encoders I set up 10 sources I have 10mbit connection (it's a private lan) I already tried modifing throttle to 100! Any Idea....?Don't wanna go back to shoutcast!!! Please --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at xiph.org Tue Feb 5 23:22:31 2002 From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 16:22:31 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Winamp problems In-Reply-To: <3C5F3C050000B9AD@reiser.fastwebnet.it> Message-ID: <20020205232231.GR1570@babyjesus.cantcode.com> > I have problem connecting several sources when they are icy sources... You can't do this from the same IP and expect it to work. There is just no way for icecast to know which is which. > Any Idea....?Don't wanna go back to shoutcast!!! Please The easiest solution if you must broadcast with winamp is to use Oddsock's dsp plugin which has icecast support built in. http://www.oddosck.org jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From admin at interservers.com Tue Feb 5 23:53:00 2002 From: admin at interservers.com (Interservers Administration) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:53:00 -0500 Subject: [icecast] Problems With Ices Message-ID: Hello, I have a weird problem. If I use winamp to stream to my icecast server, I can give it any password (even the incorrect one) and it logs in fine and sends the stream to the server. If I use Ices, if I use the password supplied in the icecast.conf file and give it to the ices configuration file, it kicks this: Failed connecting to server 127.0.0.1, error: Could not login on server. Server message: ERROR - Bad Password Ices Exiting... Where in the world does it get 127.0.0.1, I am specifiying another IP, (even though it is still local). Plus I triple checked, the pass is right! Also I am not using crypt. Any suggestions? -Interservers.com Dude --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From admin at interservers.com Tue Feb 5 23:55:11 2002 From: admin at interservers.com (Interservers Administration) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 18:55:11 -0500 Subject: [icecast] X-Mailer: NeoMail 1.25 Message-ID: Does Anyone on the list use MSN IM or AIM that I could chat to about some of the lingo and things? -D -------------------------------------- Interservers.com -------------------------------------- 412.654.6500 Information: http://www.interservers.com AOL ID: INTRSRVRS MSN ID: interservers at msn.com -- ---Accounts Starting as Low As $2.95 Per Month!--- --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From xchris at fastwebnet.it Wed Feb 6 00:53:18 2002 From: xchris at fastwebnet.it (xchris) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 01:53:18 +0100 Subject: [icecast] Winamp problem In-Reply-To: <20020205232231.GR1570@babyjesus.cantcode.com> Message-ID: <3C5F3C4A00012DFB@janine.fastwebnet.it> > You can't do this from the same IP and expect it to work. There is just > no way for icecast to know which is which. > I'm broadcasting from several sources (IP's)!!

> > The easiest solution if you must broadcast with winamp is to use > Oddsock's dsp plugin which has icecast support built in. > http://www.oddosck.org > However.....thanks for suggestion!! It works great! Thank you Bye --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From larry at wbhm.org Wed Feb 6 03:54:20 2002 From: larry at wbhm.org (Larry Owen) Date: Tue, 05 Feb 2002 21:54:20 -0600 Subject: [icecast] Problems With Ices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3C60A8EC.4000504@wbhm.org> I have to specify the config file with the "-c" flag, lioke this: cd /usr/local/icecast bin/ices -c etc/ices.conf

Interservers Administration wrote: > Hello, > > I have a weird problem. If I use winamp to stream to my icecast > server, I can give it any password (even the incorrect one) and it > logs in fine and sends the stream to the server. If I use Ices, if I > use the password supplied in the icecast.conf file and give it to the > ices configuration file, it kicks this: > > Failed connecting to server 127.0.0.1, error: Could not login on > server. Server message: ERROR - Bad Password > Ices Exiting... > > Where in the world does it get 127.0.0.1, I am specifiying another IP, > (even though it is still local). Plus I triple checked, the pass is > right! > > Also I am not using crypt. > > Any suggestions? > > -Interservers.com Dude > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > >

> I have to specify the config file with > the "-c" flag, lioke this: > > cd /usr/local/icecast > bin/ices -c etc/ices.conf > > > Interservers Administration wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I have a weird problem. If I use winamp to stream to my icecast > > server, I can give it any password (even the incorrect one) and it > > logs in fine and sends the stream to the server. If I use Ices, if I > > use the password supplied in the icecast.conf file and give it to the > > ices configuration file, it kicks this: > > > > Failed connecting to server 127.0.0.1, error: Could not login on > > server. Server message: ERROR - Bad Password > > Ices Exiting... > > > > Where in the world does it get 127.0.0.1, I am specifiying another IP, > > (even though it is still local). Plus I triple checked, the pass is > > right! > > > > Also I am not using crypt. > > > > Any suggestions? > > > > -Interservers.com Dude > > > > --- >8 ---- > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast- request at xiph.org' > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > > > > > > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast- request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > -------------------------------------- Interservers.com -------------------------------------- 412.654.6500 Information: http://www.interservers.com AOL ID: INTRSRVRS MSN ID: interservers at msn.com -- ---Accounts Starting as Low As $2.95 Per Month!--- --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at xiph.org Wed Feb 6 06:13:57 2002 From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 23:13:57 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Problems With Ices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020206061357.GU1570@babyjesus.cantcode.com> > I have libxml installed but I get this when I run it. > root at webhost1 [/usr/local/icecast]# bin/ices -c etc/ices.conf > You have no libxml support. The config file you just specified cannot > be used. > Ices Exiting... Sounds like you didn't compile with libxml. Rerun configure and make sure you have the development package installed so that configure finds it, etc. In redhat, you'll need libxml-devel in debian, you'll need libxml-dev That should get you going. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From darkeye at tyrell.hu Wed Feb 6 08:47:15 2002 From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Maroy Akos) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 09:47:15 +0100 (CET) Subject: [icecast] Liveice - Multiple bitrates In-Reply-To: <3C60544F.7040909@wbhm.org> Message-ID: On Tue, 5 Feb 2002, Larry Owen wrote: > Hello, > I'm new to list. I looked through archives > and couldn't find an answer. > Anyway, I serving a live stream using liveice. > I want to serve it in High and low bitrates, > is this possible? with darkice, it is.

> Made the change and so far so good, CPU is back where it should be. Running > 2 streams at 56K 22Hz is using about 5% CPU total - most respectable I > think. > > I have only been running this config for about 10 minutes, but so far so > good. Will post follow up tomorrow. > > Thanks Jack - question tho: isn't using console mode 3 the same as using -b > (from the description in the conf file anyway) or it is the same but icecast > treat it differently at runtime. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jack Moffitt" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 11:50 AM > Subject: Re: [icecast] CPU Utilization Weirdness > > > > > The only thing that seems to work is starting the processes and piping > them > > > to null. The only disadvantage to that is that icecast sucks all > available > > > CPU although it seems to release its hold on the CPU when I start other > > > programs. > > > > Now this is bringing back some memories. > > > > I thought only certain BSDs had this 'feature' that background processes > > still used stdout/stderr and that was a no-no. > > > > Try this: > > > > 1) don't use the -b switch. Tell icecast to use console_mode 3 in the > > config file. > > > > 2) run icecast like so: ./icecast > /dev/null 2> /dev/null > > > > 3) run ices hte same way. > > > > See if that helps at all. > > > > jack. > > > > --- >8 ---- > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From lunetta at fas.harvard.edu Wed Feb 6 16:06:17 2002 From: lunetta at fas.harvard.edu (LeDiva) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:06:17 -0500 (EST) Subject: [icecast] Stuttering stream Message-ID: I'm using shout 0.8.0, icecast 1.3.10 on Redhat 7.2. My stream skips all over the place. I can't even get through one song without having to restart the stream or having icecast boot me. Most of my MP3s are 128kbps, and that's the default bitrate in shout. I've turned on autocorrect and force bitrate, but it still skips. Autocorrect seems to make the time between skipping a bit longer, but it still doesn't even last one song. It's not my bandwidth from the server... a week ago, I was streaming Shoutcast from Windows with no problems. It's not my bandwidth at work (where I'm listening), I can pull in other 128k streams with no problem. Help? --- Julia Lunetta Listen to my music collection... http://julial.dhs.org:8005/

--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at xiph.org Wed Feb 6 17:13:03 2002 From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:13:03 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Stuttering stream In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020206171303.GD1570@babyjesus.cantcode.com> > > ices refuses to load. It whines about libmp3lame.so.0 being missing. I > found the message in the archives that supposedly forces ices to compile > with lame support, still nothing. Did you run ldconfig after installing the library? Is /etc/ld.so.conf listing the directory you installed to? > ./configure ends the same way regardless of options: > > Features: > libshout: builtin > LAME : yes > Vorbis : yes > Perl : yes > Python : no > XML : yes > Configuration complete. Now run 'gmake'. Even if you do ./configure --without-lame? And doesn't ./configure --with-lame=/usr/local work? > I can't find an option in the config file or anywhere in the docs that > lets you specify where ices should look for the lame libraries. Ices doesn't look for them! Your system's dynamic loader looks for them. If they aren't installed where it can find them or if you didn't refresh it's database of libraries it will have no idea. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From tyr at teiresias.net Wed Feb 6 17:25:03 2002 From: tyr at teiresias.net (Bolt Thrower) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 10:25:03 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Stuttering stream In-Reply-To: <20020206165124.GC1570@babyjesus.cantcode.com> Message-ID: <20020206102503.A7784@winter.teiresias.net> On Wed, Feb 06, 2002 at 09:51:24AM -0700, Jack Moffitt wrote: > > Hi Jack. Why ices? Or, why not iceplay or shout? > > > ices is built on libshout. libshout should have perfect timing and it > also detects and discards corrupt frames and supports VBR streams. It > is basically the _new_ version of shout. I remember having some problems with ices 0.2.2 being able to re-encode VBR mp3s. Has there been any developments on the ices front regarding that? For the time being I'm using ices 0.1.0 to reencode VBR mp3s. -- Steve Chadsey Now playing: Forgotten Sunrise (Amorphis - "Tales from The Thousand Lakes") --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gr_major at hotmail.com Wed Feb 6 18:28:51 2002 From: gr_major at hotmail.com (Gary Major) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:28:51 -0500 Subject: [icecast] Stuttering stream In-Reply-To: <20020206171303.GD1570@babyjesus.cantcode.com> Message-ID: Expanding on Jack's note. In a default lame install, the lame library in in /usr/local/lib which is not in the 'trusted' library directories, hence why the linker/loader can't find it. What you need to do to fix it (as root), is open up /etc/ld.so.conf and add /usr/local/lib to the file. This file just contains various paths that will be searched in addition to /usr/lib & /lib for libraries. When you run ldconfig it will do a number of things that will make this library 'known' to the linker/loader. Bottom line for you, is once you do this, ices will be able to link to the mp3 library (as will other files/programs that need it) and you are on your way. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Moffitt" To: Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2002 12:13 PM Subject: Re: [icecast] Stuttering stream

> > > > ices refuses to load. It whines about libmp3lame.so.0 being missing. I > > found the message in the archives that supposedly forces ices to compile > > with lame support, still nothing. > > Did you run ldconfig after installing the library? Is /etc/ld.so.conf > listing the directory you installed to? > > > ./configure ends the same way regardless of options: > > > > Features: > > libshout: builtin > > LAME : yes > > Vorbis : yes > > Perl : yes > > Python : no > > XML : yes > > Configuration complete. Now run 'gmake'. > > Even if you do ./configure --without-lame? > > And doesn't ./configure --with-lame=/usr/local work? > > > I can't find an option in the config file or anywhere in the docs that > > lets you specify where ices should look for the lame libraries. > > Ices doesn't look for them! Your system's dynamic loader looks for > them. If they aren't installed where it can find them or if you didn't > refresh it's database of libraries it will have no idea. > > jack. > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From lunetta at fas.harvard.edu Wed Feb 6 18:33:53 2002 From: lunetta at fas.harvard.edu (LeDiva) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 13:33:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [icecast] Stuttering stream In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Gary Major wrote: > Bottom line for you, is once you do this, ices will be able to link to the > mp3 library (as will other files/programs that need it) and you are on your > way. Done, and it's working... but not significantly better than before. Whereas before I couldn't clear a single song without the stream devolving into skipping, now I'm averaging between 15-20 minutes. Better, but still not acceptable. --- Julia Lunetta Listen to my music collection... http://julial.dhs.org:8005/

> > Why would NTP cause issues? > > Because it changes your system clock. Which is how things keep time. > So if you change it, you're going to throw off the timing :) > > jack. > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gr_major at hotmail.com Wed Feb 6 19:53:47 2002 From: gr_major at hotmail.com (Gary Major) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 14:53:47 -0500 Subject: [icecast] IRC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Is there a goog IRC channel that deals with mp3 streaming, icecast, ices etc... --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From conflict at blastfurnace.suppression.org Wed Feb 6 19:55:11 2002 From: conflict at blastfurnace.suppression.org (conflict at blastfurnace.suppression.org) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 11:55:11 -0800 (PST) Subject: [icecast] IRC In-Reply-To: Message-ID: #unixpunx on irc.unixpunx.org has a lot of people with icecast experenace. Hope that helps everyone. Paul On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Gary Major wrote: > Is there a goog IRC channel that deals with mp3 streaming, icecast, ices > etc... > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. >

What version of linux? glibc? Icecast 1.3.11? jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From lunetta at fas.harvard.edu Wed Feb 6 21:34:05 2002 From: lunetta at fas.harvard.edu (LeDiva) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 16:34:05 -0500 (EST) Subject: [icecast] Stuttering stream In-Reply-To: <20020206212404.GO1570@babyjesus.cantcode.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Jack Moffitt wrote: > > > What kidn of files are you streaming? > > > > MP3s and nothing but. > > Are they high bitrate? The vast majority are 128 kbps, non-VBR. I have a few VBR, and a few that are encoded at 320 kbps. I've yet to try to stream one of those. A good number have id3v2 tags... say 20-30%. > What version of linux? glibc? RH 7.2 with kernel 2.4.9-21. glibc is 2.2.4. > Icecast 1.3.11? 1.3.10 --- Julia Lunetta Listen to my music collection... http://julial.dhs.org:8005/

Would it matter that some of the playlists are located on SCSI rather than IDE ? Also - this is using mp3 not ogg. lame is compiled in, but I am not re-encoding, load avg's have been in the 0.10 - 0.40 range, this is also due to this being an X desktop box as well as icecast server. (so load doesnt seem to be inordinately high with ices prior to these crashes)

Thanks, -Dave D

1 and 2 should be fairly easy to fix. 3 involves lots of diagnosis. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gr_major at hotmail.com Thu Feb 7 00:24:56 2002 From: gr_major at hotmail.com (Gary Major) Date: Wed, 06 Feb 2002 19:24:56 -0500 Subject: [icecast] CPU Utilization Weirdness In-Reply-To: <[icecast] CPU Utilization Weirdness> Message-ID: Well, thought I would try one stream only to see if that makes a difference. Apparently not. Here is a listing of the logs and I have attached the conf file and the startup scripts that I use. icecast.log [06/Feb/2002:14:45:25] [1:Calendar Thread] directory_touch_xa([yp.icecast.org:80]) completed...server id = 69 [06/Feb/2002:14:46:19] [96:Connection Handler] Kicking source 92 [192.168.1.5] [Invalid Mount Point] [encoder], connected for 0 seconds, 0 bytes transfered. 0 sources connected [06/Feb/2002:14:46:19] [96:Connection Handler] Kicking all 0 clients for source 92 [06/Feb/2002:14:46:20] [97:Connection Handler] Kicking source 93 [192.168.1.5] [Invalid Mount Point] [encoder], connected for 0 seconds, 0 bytes transfered. 0 sources connected [06/Feb/2002:14:46:20] [97:Connection Handler] Kicking all 0 clients for source 93 [06/Feb/2002:14:46:21] [98:Connection Handler] Kicking source 94 [192.168.1.5] [Invalid Mount Point] [encoder], connected for 0 seconds, 0 bytes transfered. 0 sources connected

ices.log

Playing /web/mp3/Ozzy Osbourne - Revelation (Mother Earth).mp3 Playing /web/mp3/Heart - Barracuda (Live).mp3 Playing /web/mp3/Til Tuesday - Voices Carry.mp3 Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: Libshout socket error. Error during send: Mount failed on http://192.168.1.5:8000/vman, error: Could not login on server. Server message: ERROR - Mount Point Taken or Invalid Error during send: Mount failed on http://192.168.1.5:8000/vman, error: Could not login on server. Server message: ERROR - Mount Point Taken or Invalid Error during send: Mount failed on http://192.168.1.5:8000/vman, error: Could not login on server. Server message: ERROR - Mount Point Taken or Invalid Error during send: Mount failed on http://192.168.1.5:8000/vman, error: Could not login on server. Server message: ERROR - Mount Point Taken or Invalid icecast.conf attached. tartup scripts attached _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: icecast.conf Type: application/octet-stream Size: 16393 bytes Desc: icecast.conf URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: streamer.sh Type: application/x-sh Size: 860 bytes Desc: streamer.sh URL: From brendan at icecast.org Thu Feb 7 01:21:17 2002 From: brendan at icecast.org (Brendan Cully) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:21:17 -0500 Subject: [icecast] CPU Utilization Weirdness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020207012115.GC3098@xanadu.kublai.com> comment out any directory lines in your icecast.conf. I believe that solves this kind of problem for some people. I suspect it may for you as well, judging by the logs... On Wednesday, 06 February 2002 at 19:24, Gary Major wrote: > > Well, thought I would try one stream only to see if that makes a > difference. Apparently not. Here is a listing of the logs and I have > attached the conf file and the startup scripts that I use. > > icecast.log > > [06/Feb/2002:14:45:25] [1:Calendar Thread] > directory_touch_xa([yp.icecast.org:80]) completed...server id = 69 > [06/Feb/2002:14:46:19] [96:Connection Handler] Kicking source 92 > [192.168.1.5] [Invalid Mount Point] [encoder], connected for 0 seconds, 0 > bytes transfered. 0 sources connected > [06/Feb/2002:14:46:19] [96:Connection Handler] Kicking all 0 clients for > source 92 > [06/Feb/2002:14:46:20] [97:Connection Handler] Kicking source 93 > [192.168.1.5] [Invalid Mount Point] [encoder], connected for 0 seconds, 0 > bytes transfered. 0 sources connected > [06/Feb/2002:14:46:20] [97:Connection Handler] Kicking all 0 clients for > source 93 > [06/Feb/2002:14:46:21] [98:Connection Handler] Kicking source 94 > [192.168.1.5] [Invalid Mount Point] [encoder], connected for 0 seconds, 0 > bytes transfered. 0 sources connected > > > ices.log > > > Playing /web/mp3/Ozzy Osbourne - Revelation (Mother Earth).mp3 > Playing /web/mp3/Heart - Barracuda (Live).mp3 > Playing /web/mp3/Til Tuesday - Voices Carry.mp3 > Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: Libshout > socket error. > Error during send: Mount failed on http://192.168.1.5:8000/vman, error: > Could not login on server. Server message: ERROR - Mount Point Taken or > Invalid > Error during send: Mount failed on http://192.168.1.5:8000/vman, error: > Could not login on server. Server message: ERROR - Mount Point Taken or > Invalid > Error during send: Mount failed on http://192.168.1.5:8000/vman, error: > Could not login on server. Server message: ERROR - Mount Point Taken or > Invalid > Error during send: Mount failed on http://192.168.1.5:8000/vman, error: > Could not login on server. Server message: ERROR - Mount Point Taken or > Invalid > > icecast.conf > > attached. > > startup scripts > > attached > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From brendan at icecast.org Thu Feb 7 01:23:20 2002 From: brendan at icecast.org (Brendan Cully) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:23:20 -0500 Subject: [icecast] Stuttering stream In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020207012318.GD3098@xanadu.kublai.com> On Wednesday, 06 February 2002 at 12:08, Don Becker wrote: > This reminds me of a problem I've been having occasionally with ices... > once in a while, instead of properly decoding and re-encoding the MP3 for > my stream, it'll stream gibberish (basically, it sounds like a "cooked" > MP3). After that, maybe 1 time out of 3, it'll segfault and crash. Even > in verbose mode, ices doesn't report anything other than "resyncing". > > Vitals: icecast 1.3.11, ices 0.2.2. > > Any ideas? The MP3s play back just fine in xmms. Is the sample rate changing? The decoder is currently very fussy about having the audio format stay consistent. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From brendan at icecast.org Thu Feb 7 01:24:04 2002 From: brendan at icecast.org (Brendan Cully) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:24:04 -0500 Subject: [icecast] Stuttering stream In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020207012401.GE3098@xanadu.kublai.com> On Wednesday, 06 February 2002 at 13:33, LeDiva wrote: > On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Gary Major wrote: > > > Bottom line for you, is once you do this, ices will be able to link to the > > mp3 library (as will other files/programs that need it) and you are on your > > way. > > Done, and it's working... but not significantly better than before. > Whereas before I couldn't clear a single song without the stream devolving > into skipping, now I'm averaging between 15-20 minutes. Better, but still > not acceptable. Have you tried commenting out any directory lines in your icecast.conf? --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From brendan at icecast.org Thu Feb 7 01:26:02 2002 From: brendan at icecast.org (Brendan Cully) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:26:02 -0500 Subject: [icecast] Stuttering stream In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020207012559.GF3098@xanadu.kublai.com> On Wednesday, 06 February 2002 at 17:20, LeDiva wrote: > On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Jack Moffitt wrote: > > > > A good number have id3v2 tags... say 20-30%. > > > > Do you find that it's stuttering on id3v2 files? Since those contain > > data that is counted by the timing code, but not played the the player, > > that seems a likely suspect. Ie, you'll get _playable_ data too slow. > > I replaced my normal playlist with a much smaller one of files that > mp3_check didn't find id3v2 tags. By the way ices 0.2.2 should skip over id3v2 tags itself. You should see evidence of this in the logs if you're running in verbose mode. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From don at donbecker.org Thu Feb 7 01:26:57 2002 From: don at donbecker.org (Don Becker) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:26:57 -0500 (EST) Subject: [icecast] Stuttering stream In-Reply-To: <20020207012318.GD3098@xanadu.kublai.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Brendan Cully wrote: > Is the sample rate changing? The decoder is currently very fussy about > having the audio format stay consistent. Yeah, that's what I thought it might be... most of the MP3s I'm playing are 160, but some are 128 and some are 192... I should convert them all to one bitrate, but I'm just too lazy. And I'm only doing this for fun, and not profit. --Don -- Don Becker don at donbecker.org http://www.donbecker.org Unix System Administrator, Adelphi University http://www.adelphi.edu

>From: Brendan Cully >Reply-To: icecast at xiph.org >To: icecast at xiph.org >Subject: Re: [icecast] CPU Utilization Weirdness >Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 20:21:17 -0500 > >comment out any directory lines in your icecast.conf. I believe that >solves this kind of problem for some people. I suspect it may for you as >well, judging by the logs... > >On Wednesday, 06 February 2002 at 19:24, Gary Major wrote: > > > > Well, thought I would try one stream only to see if that makes a > > difference. Apparently not. Here is a listing of the logs and I have > > attached the conf file and the startup scripts that I use. > > > > icecast.log > > > > [06/Feb/2002:14:45:25] [1:Calendar Thread] > > directory_touch_xa([yp.icecast.org:80]) completed...server id = 69 > > [06/Feb/2002:14:46:19] [96:Connection Handler] Kicking source 92 > > [192.168.1.5] [Invalid Mount Point] [encoder], connected for 0 seconds, >0 > > bytes transfered. 0 sources connected > > [06/Feb/2002:14:46:19] [96:Connection Handler] Kicking all 0 clients for > > source 92 > > [06/Feb/2002:14:46:20] [97:Connection Handler] Kicking source 93 > > [192.168.1.5] [Invalid Mount Point] [encoder], connected for 0 seconds, >0 > > bytes transfered. 0 sources connected > > [06/Feb/2002:14:46:20] [97:Connection Handler] Kicking all 0 clients for > > source 93 > > [06/Feb/2002:14:46:21] [98:Connection Handler] Kicking source 94 > > [192.168.1.5] [Invalid Mount Point] [encoder], connected for 0 seconds, >0 > > bytes transfered. 0 sources connected > > > > > > ices.log > > > > > > Playing /web/mp3/Ozzy Osbourne - Revelation (Mother Earth).mp3 > > Playing /web/mp3/Heart - Barracuda (Live).mp3 > > Playing /web/mp3/Til Tuesday - Voices Carry.mp3 > > Error during send: Libshout reported send error, disconnecting: Libshout > > socket error. > > Error during send: Mount failed on http://192.168.1.5:8000/vman, error: > > Could not login on server. Server message: ERROR - Mount Point Taken or > > Invalid > > Error during send: Mount failed on http://192.168.1.5:8000/vman, error: > > Could not login on server. Server message: ERROR - Mount Point Taken or > > Invalid > > Error during send: Mount failed on http://192.168.1.5:8000/vman, error: > > Could not login on server. Server message: ERROR - Mount Point Taken or > > Invalid > > Error during send: Mount failed on http://192.168.1.5:8000/vman, error: > > Could not login on server. Server message: ERROR - Mount Point Taken or > > Invalid > > > > icecast.conf > > > > attached. > > > > startup scripts > > > > attached > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com > > > > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.

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--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From brendan at icecast.org Thu Feb 7 04:00:21 2002 From: brendan at icecast.org (Brendan Cully) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 23:00:21 -0500 Subject: [icecast] CPU Utilization Weirdness In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020207040019.GB3327@xanadu.kublai.com> On Wednesday, 06 February 2002 at 20:29, Gary Major wrote: > Will give it a try, although if this works, kinda defeats the purpose :) > > Brendan, do you know why updating the directory causes this kind of problem? No, I've just heard stories that this thread can cause problems (probably when there's a lot of latency to the directory server, or it's down). I don't expect to have any time to read the code for a while either - I'm afraid I've been mostly useless for icecast for a few months now... --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From brendan at icecast.org Thu Feb 7 04:04:16 2002 From: brendan at icecast.org (Brendan Cully) Date: Wed, 6 Feb 2002 23:04:16 -0500 Subject: [icecast] Stuttering stream In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020207040415.GC3327@xanadu.kublai.com> On Wednesday, 06 February 2002 at 20:26, Don Becker wrote: > On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Brendan Cully wrote: > > > Is the sample rate changing? The decoder is currently very fussy about > > having the audio format stay consistent. > > Yeah, that's what I thought it might be... most of the MP3s I'm playing are > 160, but some are 128 and some are 192... Strange. The different bitrates shouldn't be a problem, as long as the music beneath is 44.1kHz stereo (which I would expect at 128+ kbps). I reencode from 128 to 192 regularly, and ices never hiccups at all. What version of LAME did you link against? --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From simon.thompson at videologic.com Thu Feb 7 10:46:17 2002 From: simon.thompson at videologic.com (Simon Thompson) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:46:17 -0000 Subject: [icecast] Stuttering stream In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Stuttering stream> Message-ID: > > Icecast 1.3.11? > > 1.3.10 I suggest you use 1.3.11, this had a fix for stuttering streams. I only noticed the problem on higher bitrate mp3s, but that could be your problem. Simon. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From don at donbecker.org Thu Feb 7 13:18:42 2002 From: don at donbecker.org (Don Becker) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 08:18:42 -0500 (EST) Subject: [icecast] Stuttering stream In-Reply-To: <20020207040415.GC3327@xanadu.kublai.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Brendan Cully wrote: > Strange. The different bitrates shouldn't be a problem, as long as the > music beneath is 44.1kHz stereo (which I would expect at 128+ kbps). I > reencode from 128 to 192 regularly, and ices never hiccups at all. What > version of LAME did you link against? 3.89 beta 1. And, yes, everything's at 44100. Like I said, it's no big deal if I can't figure it out, since ices really does tax my CPU with multiple streams (PIII 450). --Don

> On Wednesday, 06 February 2002 at 20:29, Gary Major wrote: > > Will give it a try, although if this works, kinda defeats the purpose :) > > > > Brendan, do you know why updating the directory causes this kind of problem? > > No, I've just heard stories that this thread can cause problems > (probably when there's a lot of latency to the directory server, or it's > down). I don't expect to have any time to read the code for a while > either - I'm afraid I've been mostly useless for icecast for a few > months now... > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gr_major at hotmail.com Thu Feb 7 14:20:25 2002 From: gr_major at hotmail.com (Gary Major) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:20:25 -0500 Subject: [icecast] Stuttering stream In-Reply-To: Message-ID: May sound like a strange question, but I am inferring from your note that you can take a lower bitrate mp3 and reencode to higher bitrate? I was always under the impression that you could go down, but not up because the required information was no longer within the mp3 file in order to step it up. If in fact this is the case, are there any requirements? i.e. does the sample rate need to be 44.1 etc.. Gary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Becker" To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 8:18 AM Subject: Re: [icecast] Stuttering stream

> On Wed, 6 Feb 2002, Brendan Cully wrote: > > > Strange. The different bitrates shouldn't be a problem, as long as the > > music beneath is 44.1kHz stereo (which I would expect at 128+ kbps). I > > reencode from 128 to 192 regularly, and ices never hiccups at all. What > > version of LAME did you link against? > > 3.89 beta 1. And, yes, everything's at 44100. > > Like I said, it's no big deal if I can't figure it out, since ices really > does tax my CPU with multiple streams (PIII 450). > > --Don > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From brendan at icecast.org Thu Feb 7 14:41:20 2002 From: brendan at icecast.org (Brendan Cully) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 09:41:20 -0500 Subject: [icecast] Stuttering stream In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20020207144120.GA543@xanadu.kublai.com> On Thursday, 07 February 2002 at 09:20, Gary Major wrote: > May sound like a strange question, but I am inferring from your note that > you can take a lower bitrate mp3 and reencode to higher bitrate? I was > always under the impression that you could go down, but not up because the > required information was no longer within the mp3 file in order to step it > up. orry, I should have said between 128 and 192. I only reencode down. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gr_major at hotmail.com Thu Feb 7 15:54:43 2002 From: gr_major at hotmail.com (Gary Major) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 10:54:43 -0500 Subject: [icecast] WWW Admin Access In-Reply-To: <20020207144120.GA543@xanadu.kublai.com> Message-ID: Has anyone got the admin access going? I have followed the instructions in the manual and i get a 403 error. The only thing I am not clear on is where the *.aut files go. I have places them in the bin & conf directory's but no go. i have added the appropriate flags to icecast.conf Any ideas. Gary. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brendan Cully" To: Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 9:41 AM Subject: Re: [icecast] Stuttering stream

> On Thursday, 07 February 2002 at 09:20, Gary Major wrote: > > May sound like a strange question, but I am inferring from your note that > > you can take a lower bitrate mp3 and reencode to higher bitrate? I was > > always under the impression that you could go down, but not up because the > > required information was no longer within the mp3 file in order to step it > > up. > > sorry, I should have said between 128 and 192. I only reencode down. > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From alet at unice.fr Thu Feb 7 16:17:36 2002 From: alet at unice.fr (Jerome Alet) Date: Thu, 7 Feb 2002 17:17:36 +0100 (MET) Subject: [icecast] [ANNOUNCE] pymp3cut Message-ID: Hi there, I'm pleased to announce the availability (CVS only for now) of pymp3cut. pymp3cut is a GPLed Python command line tool designed to automatically cut very big mp3 files according to a timeline, and postprocess each subfile with any tool of your choice in a single run. It's useful if you stream very long events (10 hours or so) like congresses using IceCast and want to cut the big archives by speaker afterwards. Then all you have to do is create a text file of this format : speakername1 hh1:mm1:ss1 *SKIP* hhS:mmS:ssS speakername2 hh2:mm2:ss2 ... the hh:mm:ss above indicate the time at which each subpart ends in the original big mp3 file. the special *SKIP* keyword indicate a subpart which won't produce any file: this subpart is just skipped, and pymp3cut will produce two files named speakername1.mp3 and speakername2.mp3 pymp3cut cuts mp3 files fast, because it doesn't need to convert to an intermediate (uncompressed) format, so it doesn't need huge quantities of memory and/or disk space. currently the automatic post-processing is not yet implemented, so you should probably launch a tool like lame manually to erase the small artifacts produced by pymp3cut, which doesn't cut on frame boundaries. you can download pymp3cut from CVS only (I'll make a tarball soon) from : http://sourceforge.net/projects/pymp3cut/ Thanks to all of you here who have helped me in understanding how to do, some times ago... pymp3cut was successfully used so far to slice a two-days congress on a per-speaker basis. Comments or help are very welcome. Jerome Alet

Please help to make the ICE/1.0 clients and servers more compatible :).

darkice doesn't use libshout either. I guess the main reason to have a protocol is that anyone can connect using it?

The protocol is so close to HTTP i'm surprised everyone asks so much. I reverse engineered shoutcast in just a few hours, and here you can just read libshout and know everything about the protocol by reading the 10 line login_ice() function. I do plan to document it, but not until I've finished it. It does me no good to have everyone writing clients that must be half rewritten when my login protocol changes. libshout is there to keep people from duplicating code. It's also there for people to play with for icecast2 so that I have some freedom to change the protocol for a while (since the libshout2 api won't change much).

So in short, documentation will come. I hope decent docs will even be there for the first alpha release. Please be patient and in the meantime, have a look at the _login_ice() function in libshout/src/shout.c jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From hathaway at munkynet.org Fri Feb 8 18:48:28 2002 From: hathaway at munkynet.org (Samuel Hathaway) Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 13:48:28 -0500 (EST) Subject: [icecast] ICE/1.0 specs In-Reply-To: <20020208181604.GC569@xanadu.kublai.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Brendan Cully wrote: > On Friday, 08 February 2002 at 13:12, Samuel Hathaway wrote: > > On Fri, 8 Feb 2002, Akos Maroy wrote: > > > > > Jack Moffitt wrote: > > > > > > > Why are you writing clients that don't use libshout? > > > > > > darkice doesn't use libshout either. > > > > > > I guess the main reason to have a protocol is that anyone can connect > > > using it? > > > > Yeah, what would've happened to the web if NCSA had said "why do you need > > to know the details of HTTP? just use our library?" > > My guess is things would be a lot better - the world would be free of a > huge amount of cruft supporting broken or obsolete implementations, and > more effort would have been spent improving an NCSA library. That may be so, but it also would have locked developers into a specific implementation -- a particular programming language, a particular platform, what have you. It also would have forced anyone who couldn't use the library (for example, someone who couldn't use the license) to reverse engineer the protocol, probably resulting in *worse* broken implementations. Closed protocols have a history of problems -- much more so than open ones. > I suppose that was a rhetorical question, I'm just not sure which way it > was supposed to point :) > > That aside, it would have been nice if we'd started with HTTP/1.1 > instead of 1.0. So I'd say, give ICE time to develop and use the library > for now. Once it has been pronounced stable, then you can document and > reimplement it as much as you want. For an unstable spec, it's probably good to use the library as a means of staying up-to-date. However, if it's unstable, why is it "ICE/1.0" rather than "ICE/0.9" or something? -samuel

When people click on my links they get a space between the url and the port. The link on the page is: http://www.lpbn.org:8000/playlist.pls?mount=/file/Fri-16-20.mp3&file=dummy.pls The returned link to the client's player is http://www.lpbn.org :8000/file/Fri-16-20.mp3 I have mine set up so I don't know exactly if the space gets put on the left or right side of the ":" Raymond

winamp 2.6 (Win) winamp 2.71 (Win) sonique 1.5 (Win) sonique 1.95 (Win) windows media player versions? (Win) iTunes 2.0/2.02/2.03 (Mac) SoundJam 2.0 (Mac) RealPlayer 7 Basic (Mac) I know that some other clients have connected such as xmms but these are the only players I've been told are not getting the info. thanks, brian

--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From primus at veris.org Wed Feb 13 00:27:09 2002 From: primus at veris.org (Ethan Butterfield) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:27:09 -0800 Subject: [icecast] QuickTime Streaming Server 4 streams MP3s In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20020204003707.416e6b80@mail.labyrinth.net.au> Message-ID: <20020213002709.GA29074@veris.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Somewhat OT, but it looks like a new player has entered the streaming MP3 server arena. http://www.apple.com/quicktime/products/qtss/ QTSS v4 was announced at the QuickTime Live conference today. Amongst its other features, it can now stream MP3s to any Internet-capable MP3 listener program. Source is available at http://www.publicsource.apple.com/projects/streaming/ , which rocks. Gonna D/L it now and give it a run. Not gonna dump icecast/ices, considering the huge amount of time I've invested in converting my library over to Ogg Vorbis (VORBICIZE!!!) format. :) - -- "I'm alive, and filled with goo! VISION GOO!" - Zim, "Invader Zim" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8abLcAmwSMwnpLHgRAgtWAJ9KFZ0QnrwPg0DxVU5unMTAK21TcQCcDsRj 8biRt4TJuqPk+ATw5G+hBuE= =0JTx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From primus at veris.org Wed Feb 13 00:43:32 2002 From: primus at veris.org (Ethan Butterfield) Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:43:32 -0800 Subject: [icecast] Re: QuickTime Streaming Server 4 streams MP3s In-Reply-To: <20020213002709.GA29074@veris.org> Message-ID: <20020213004332.GA29140@veris.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Ok, here's a little surprise that just poked up during the QTSSv4 install. This is from the install readme: "- Native MP3/Icecast Streaming Support - http style streaming of native MP3 files including the ability to broadcast MP3 play lists, *reflect Icecast streams*, parsing and sending of MP3 ID tags." Emphasis mine. Is this a surprise to everyone, or has Jack and the dev team been holding out on us? ;) - -- "I'm alive, and filled with goo! VISION GOO!" - Zim, "Invader Zim" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8abazAmwSMwnpLHgRAo2/AJ9HIbpsAGrbd75Cr5+FkQbfUseMxQCfRWkB fZ3YULdXPgiFr+S5CJs7NWU= =ZB4E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From mark at knm.org Wed Feb 13 13:12:02 2002 From: mark at knm.org (Mark Lehrer) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 06:12:02 -0700 Subject: [icecast] QuickTime Streaming Server 4 streams MP3s In-Reply-To: <20020213002709.GA29074@veris.org> Message-ID: <200202131312.g1DDC2822872@home.knm.org> I'd be more interested in information on a native client that can play Quicktime(Sorenson) on Linux. Does one exist? I don't think it's a good idea to support closed standards like QT, WMA, etc. Just my $.02 though, Mark

Somewhat OT, but it looks like a new player has entered the streaming MP3 server arena. http://www.apple.com/quicktime/products/qtss/ QTSS v4 was announced at the QuickTime Live conference today. Amongst its other features, it can now stream MP3s to any Internet-capable MP3 listener program. Source is available at http://www.publicsource.apple.com/projects/streaming/ , which rocks. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From darkeye at tyrell.hu Wed Feb 13 13:22:04 2002 From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy) Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:22:04 +0100 Subject: [icecast] QuickTime Streaming Server 4 streams MP3s In-Reply-To: <200202131312.g1DDC2822872@home.knm.org> Message-ID: <3C6A687C.500@tyrell.hu> Mark Lehrer wrote: > I'd be more interested in information on a native client that can play > Quicktime(Sorenson) on Linux. Does one exist? > > I don't think it's a good idea to support closed standards like > QT, WMA, etc. well, it streams mp3. and also the new QuickTime is actually MPEG-4, wich is not-that-closed

but icecast answers on the other IP address of the machine at port 8000 as well. Also, if I add port 80, icecast will fail to start. Apperantly this is because it tries to bind to port 80 of the other IP address. I'm using version 1.3.11. Suggestions?

Akos

port 8000 port 8001 erver_name gigaz.coltec.ufmg.br force_servername 0 logfile icecast.log accessfile access.log usagefile usage.log logfiledebuglevel 0 consoledebuglevel 0 reverse_lookups 1 console_mode 0

client_timeout 30 kick_clients 0 taticdir /usr/share/icecast/static templatedir /usr/share/icecast/templates logdir /var/log/icecast stats_log stats.log statshtml_log stats.html stats_time 60 alias radiofri http://195.7.65.207:6903 kick_relays 10 transparent_proxy 0 http_admin 0 --------------- my liveice.cfg ------------ # liveice configuration file # Automatically generated SERVER localhost PORT 8000 NAME LiveIce Radio GENRE Live URL http://www.icecast.org PUBLIC 1 X_AUDIOCAST_LOGIN PASSWORD teste SAMPLE_RATE 22050 MONO NO_SOUNDCARD HALF_DUPLEX USE_LAME3 BITRATE 32000 VBR_QUALITY 1 MIXER PLAYLIST playlist DECODER_COMMAND mpg123 MIX_CONTROL_AUTO CONTROL_FILE mix_command TRACK_LOGFILE track.log -------------- i don?t know if the password must be encrypted or not, i?ve used the debian package in debian.org(testing).

Leonardo

2. Server time out Almost randomly the server drops all connections and I have to restart with kill -9 killall doesnt kill all This can happen anywhere between 20 minutes into a stream or 8 hrs into a stream....

any ideas? adam "free, as in 'radio'"

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OK.. fine. things look ok, but the stream doesn't show up on either one of these servers. i'm not sure why icecast seems to be sending a yp-id of 69, which the server apparently is willing to agree with. i suspect this may be a part of the problem, but i'm not sure exactly how... any information on this? Lint p.s. please cc: me to any replies.

"free, as in 'radio'"

... ProxyRequests on NoCache * # Any URL that starts with /mp3stream/ should be followed by a # mappoint running on the icecast server running at port 8000. RewriteEngine on RewriteRule ^/mp3stream/(.*) http://localhost:8000/$1 [P]

E-mail:shwq at public.gz.cn E-mail:ch48 at 263.net ????:?????????????????? ????(????):0859-3112015

the seg fault occurs in icecast2 at line 150 of source.c:

refbuf = source->format->get_buffer(source->format, NULL, 0);

according to gdb. When I send Ogg Vorbis data (with Content-type: application/x-ogg), everything is OK. Am I doing something wrong with mp3 data?

Akos BTW, where is that libshout I'm supposed to figure out the ICE 1.0 protocol from? Are the meta fields different for Ogg Vorbis and mp3 streams?

--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at xiph.org Tue Feb 19 18:18:16 2002 From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:18:16 -0700 Subject: [icecast] icecast2 seg fault In-Reply-To: <3C729094.6070701@tyrell.hu> Message-ID: <20020219181816.GH22363@babyjesus.cantcode.com> > I'm trying to adapt darkice to the current state of icecast2. As I see, > there is a possibility to stream in various formats, by specifying a > Content-type field on the source header. All the hooks are there for other formats, but we haven't added any but Vorbis. > When I try to log in with an mp3 source, I get a seg fault from > icecast2. The connection looks something like: > > SOURCE /mountpoint ICE/1.0 > Content-type: audio/mpeg > ice-password: password > ice-bitrate: 96 > ice-public: 0 > ice-name: name > ice-description: description > ice-url: http://url.org > ice-genre: genre > > > > > the seg fault occurs in icecast2 at line 150 of source.c: > > > refbuf = source->format->get_buffer(source->format, NULL, 0); > > > according to gdb. > > When I send Ogg Vorbis data (with Content-type: application/x-ogg), > everything is OK. > > Am I doing something wrong with mp3 data? MP3 isn't supported, but you should get an error, not a segfault. I'll dig into this a bit. Are you using current CVS? jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From zackj26 at yahoo.com Tue Feb 19 18:53:19 2002 From: zackj26 at yahoo.com (zack) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 10:53:19 -0800 (PST) Subject: [icecast] [stupid headers] Message-ID: <20020219185319.98884.qmail@web13502.mail.yahoo.com> I setup icecast on my O-bsd server recently and whenever I try to connect with a shoutcast DSP (winamp/m$) I get the error on my server: "Kicking unknown 1 [cust8950.lava.net] [Stupid headers], connected for 0 seconds" I have had it working on freebsd, and even used my working confif file. the only difference is when there is no password supplied I get a "no encoder" error this is version 1.3.10 installed from "ports" any suggestions? thanks zack __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From dave at jetcafe.org Tue Feb 19 19:30:12 2002 From: dave at jetcafe.org (Dave Hayes) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 11:30:12 -0800 Subject: [icecast] Why doesn't yp.icecast.org show my stream? Message-ID: <200202191930.g1JJUHZ71756@hokkshideh2.jetcafe.org> Once again, I'm clueless as to what is going on because I don't have the source or logs to yp.icecast.org. I am touching yp.icecast.org fine: [14/Feb/2002:01:39:22] directory_touch_xa([yp.icecast.org:80]) completed...server id = 69 but my radio station isn't shown. More details on my setup: xmms -> darkice 0.7 -> relay icecast server -> main icecast server | +->to other networks The relavent lines from darkice.cfg: mountPoint = live_48 name = KJetCafe description = An ecclectic blend of Funk Fusion Jazz Soul and RnB url = http://www.jetcafe.org/kjetcafe genre = jazz funk fusion soul RnB public = yes Anyone have any clues? N.B. I did finally get liveice to work (why does he call exit() instead of _exit() in a GTk plugin?) but it crashes xmms when xmms is remotely being run by my DJ app. I might just try IceS someday after a rewrite of my DJ app. ------ Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave at jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< Call on God, but row away from the rocks.

__________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Sports - Coverage of the 2002 Olympic Games http://sports.yahoo.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at xiph.org Tue Feb 19 19:57:57 2002 From: jack at xiph.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 12:57:57 -0700 Subject: [icecast] [stupid headers] In-Reply-To: <20020219194528.61632.qmail@web13503.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20020219195757.GK22363@babyjesus.cantcode.com> > I am sorry, what do you mean by "over the wire"? > I increased my debug levels and still getting no new > information. > what can I do to help clarify my problem? Run netcat and try connecting to that. Ie, what is your dsp plugin sending protocol wise to icecast? You might try using oddsock's dsp which has icecast support (www.oddsock.org). jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From darkeye at tyrell.hu Tue Feb 19 21:51:20 2002 From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy) Date: Tue, 19 Feb 2002 22:51:20 +0100 Subject: [icecast] icecast2 seg fault In-Reply-To: <20020219181816.GH22363@babyjesus.cantcode.com> Message-ID: <3C72C8D8.40404@tyrell.hu> Jack Moffitt wrote: > All the hooks are there for other formats, but we haven't added any but > Vorbis. I see, > MP3 isn't supported, but you should get an error, not a segfault. I'll > dig into this a bit. Are you using current CVS? yes, current CVS

+----------------------------- + Dave Dennis + Seattle, WA + dmd at speakeasy.org + http://www.dmdennis.com +----------------------------- On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Norberto Bensa wrote: > Hello, > > after reading the FAQ, I decided to compile icecast (1.3.11) > with --with-crypt option, but, there's no mkpasswd anywhere in the source > tarball. > > Am I missing something here? > > Thanks, > Norberto > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. >

Akos

On Tue, 19 Feb 2002, Juergen Thomas Rurainsky wrote: > Hi, > I am a new user of icecast, and need help with the set up. > I am streaming two independent streams with shout (mount 1:shout1, mount > 2:shout2). Icecast accepeted both streams on mountpoints /shout1 and > /shout2. I tried to receive each stream with Winamp using > "http://>:8000/shout1" and "http://>:8000/shout2", but I only get > the message "404 stream not found" and icecast tells me "[no encoder]". > > What have I to do? > > Juergen Th. > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. >

> > Just wondering if anyone has tried to compile icecast on a SGI machine > > running irix 6.5.14 or the like. I tried w/ a bunch of differnet > > compiler options, (using gcc for the compiler) just to get a myriad of > > errors. > > Perhaps someone had it working, but I don't remember. If you can post a > few of the errors maybe I or someone else can help you figure them out. > > jack. > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.

> > connection.c: In function `get_connection': > > connection.c:191: `fd_set' undeclared (first use in this function) > > Ok, so basically I'm not including the right header file for select() > datatypes. > > do a 'man select' and find what include files I need to include. Or if > you're not a programmer type, you can just email me the manpage. It > should be an easy fix to put the right #include at the top of > connection.c. > > jack. > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.