From smoerk at gmx.de Sun Dec 1 00:21:20 2002 From: smoerk at gmx.de (smoerk) Date: Sun, 01 Dec 2002 02:21:20 +0200 Subject: [icecast] libshout compile errors (os.h) In-Reply-To: <20021130234057.GG14673@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <3DE95600.5080804@gmx.de> Karl Heyes wrote: >> In file included from sock.c:49: >> sock.h:32: os.h: No such file or directory >> make[2]: *** [sock.lo] Error 1 >> make[2]: Leaving directory `/opt/ices2/libshout/src/net' >> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 >> make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/ices2/libshout/src' >> make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > > > yes I've noticed this as well. not sure what platform it's used on > but just comment/delete out the #include line in libshout/net/sock.c > file. It's also in the ices and icecast tree as well. thanks, it compiled. little strange this error. I'm on debian (testing)... But now I have another problem when compiling ices make[2]: Entering directory `/opt/ices2/ices/src' gcc-3.2 -DPACKAGE=\"ices\" -DVERSION=\"2.0\" -DHAVE_DLFCN_H=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_STDINT_H=1 -I. -I. -Inet -Ithread -Iavl -Ilog -Itiming -DHAVE_OSS -O20 -ffast-math -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/usr/include/libxml2/libxml -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/include -I/include -I/include -c input.c In file included from input.c:29: input.h:34: parse error before "shout_t" input.h:34: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union input.h:36: parse error before '}' token input.h:36: warning: data definition has no type or storage class input.c: In function `input_loop': input.c:269: `arg' undeclared (first use in this function) input.c:269: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once input.c:269: for each function it appears in.) make[2]: *** [input.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/opt/ices2/ices/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/opt/ices2/ices/src' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk Sun Dec 1 14:18:25 2002 From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes) Date: Sun, 1 Dec 2002 14:18:25 +0000 Subject: [icecast] IceS 2.0a - Extended sleep requested In-Reply-To: <20021201041344.96945.qmail@web12004.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20021201141825.GA1063@bogus.hackers.club> On 2002.12.01 04:13 SwiftBiscuit wrote: > I've just set up a new collection of streams and one > of them is having problems. The clients connecting to > this one stream only last a few minutes before getting > kicked off. I don't know where to start looking for > the problem. > > I'm running Mandrake 8.1 with Libshout2.0, IceS 2.0a > and Icecast2 downloaded from cvs only a few days ago > (with the mentioned os.h error included ;-) > > I get the following in the log files when I start up ... > ices-025kbs.log: > [2002-12-01 03:46:32] WARN input/_sleep Extended > sleep requested (2059 ms), sleeping for one second > [2002-12-01 03:46:33] WARN input/_sleep Extended > sleep requested (2659 ms), sleeping for one second > [2002-12-01 03:46:34] WARN input/_sleep Extended > sleep requested (3218 ms), sleeping for one second > [2002-12-01 03:46:35] WARN input/_sleep Extended > sleep requested (3730 ms), sleeping for one second > etc.... .... Notice how the ms count increases. What's the config like and is you CPU swamped. use vmstat 1 to see CPU usage. karl. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From swiftbiscuit at yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 2 12:09:05 2002 From: swiftbiscuit at yahoo.co.uk (SwiftBiscuit) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 04:09:05 -0800 (PST) Subject: [icecast] IceS 2.0a - Extended sleep requested In-Reply-To: <20021201141825.GA1063@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <20021202120905.50924.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for offering to help, Karl. Config - I thought my email was long even without the config files so I didn't include them! They are normal random playlist configs. What aspects are you looking for? CPU - vmstat 1 gives consistant CPU readings of around 2,1,97 for us,sy,id respectively when no one is listening to the streams. There's hardly any change when a client starts listening. I've taken a quick look at the code and seen the point where the log entry is written, I was hoping that someone with better (ie some) knowledge of the code would point me to the problem area rather than me having to wade through it all myself. I have made unusual encode settings, but it still used a standard oggenc build. I've listened to the streams with both xmplay and winamp now to see if the stream dropping was a winamp only issue and found that xmplay also drops the 25kbs one, but not at the same point that winamp does. The server also doesn't warn it booted the client so I'm guessing buffer issues for the stream problem. What the "extended sleep" thing is beats me at the moment though. It's a 22050khz encode, but there is another one with out the sleep issues. I now have a log file of 11MB after a day and a bit, it's not useful. Thanks again for trying to help me out, Mark. --- Karl Heyes helpfully wrote: > Notice how the ms count increases. What's the config > like and is you CPU swamped. use vmstat 1 to see CPU > usage. > > karl. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From msmith at xiph.org Mon Dec 2 13:21:41 2002 From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 03 Dec 2002 00:21:41 +1100 Subject: [icecast] IceS 2.0a - Extended sleep requested In-Reply-To: <20021202120905.50924.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3.0.6.32.20021203002141.4577a870@mail.labyrinth.net.au> >What the "extended sleep" thing is beats me at the >moment though. It's a 22050khz encode, but there is >another one with out the sleep issues. I now have a >log file of 11MB after a day and a bit, it's not >useful.

This basically means "something really bad has gone wrong, we're trying to recover". Depending on the cause of the problem, the recovery may or may not be successful. That message appears when the timing code encounters a situation which it never should (but can if there are clock discontinuities or insufficient cpu). It might also be possible to trigger it with some (broken) input files - does this problem happen only with some files? Michael

> That message appears when the timing code encounters > a situation which it never should (but can if there are > clock discontinuities or insufficient cpu). It might > also be possible to trigger it with some (broken) input > files - does this problem happen only with some files? I suspect it will only happen on 22ksamplerate or less files through the playlist as pcm only read 8192 samples. The quick hack is to increase the trigger in _sleep from 1000 to say something like 5000. karl. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gshang at uq.net.au Mon Dec 2 15:21:17 2002 From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang) Date: Tue, 3 Dec 2002 01:21:17 +1000 (EST) Subject: [icecast] IceS 2.0a - Extended sleep requested In-Reply-To: <20021202120905.50924.qmail@web12003.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Mon, 2 Dec 2002, SwiftBiscuit wrote: > What the "extended sleep" thing is beats me at the > moment though. It's a 22050khz encode, but there is > another one with out the sleep issues. hmmmm. so is there a difference between the one that works and the one that doesn't? Bitrate, maybe? Geoff.

This will give it a 5 sec tollerance instead of 1 second. I believe it's to do with the amount of data in an ogg page. Check the log file for more of the Extended sleep messages karl. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From swiftbiscuit at yahoo.co.uk Mon Dec 2 17:26:13 2002 From: swiftbiscuit at yahoo.co.uk (SwiftBiscuit) Date: Mon, 2 Dec 2002 09:26:13 -0800 (PST) Subject: [icecast] IceS 2.0a - Extended sleep requested In-Reply-To: <20021202170250.GE864@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <20021202172613.51844.qmail@web12006.mail.yahoo.com> That seems to have done the trick, Karl. Thanks a lot. :-) M. --- Karl Heyes wrote: > Will you try something to get you going. In the > ices/src/input.c file > *snipped code fragments - SwiftBiscuit* > > This will give it a 5 sec tollerance instead of 1 > second. > I believe it's to do with the amount of data in an > ogg page. > > Check the log file for more of the Extended sleep > messages > > karl.

Karl Heyes wrote: > On 2002.12.02 21:46 smoerk wrote: > >> I have problems with the stdinpcm module in ices2. The player fills >> its buffer and doen't play anything and fill the buffer again and this >> repeats (with winamp). when I download the stream with wget I can play >> it from hard disk... is this a common problem with ices2 or do only I >> experience this behaviour? > > > I've heard of problems with winamp3 but I don't know what effect it has. > > Last time I tried with stdinpcm it was just fine and I don't think there's > been any changes to it. Lets us know the winamp version and if you can > try another player/plugin. Also give us some idea on what your running > number of instances, samplerates etc. > > I presume the CPU isn't max'd out (vmstat 1 on unix - us column) and you > have a recent version from CVS.

OK first I gave the Shoutcast software a try....I set it up as relay but I quickly figured that theres a relay ip and port option but no relay mount path option. So how should shoutcast know which mount path to send to the server ? Connecting with a client to the shoutcast server did prety much what I expected...my server connected to the server I specified with the "relay" options but it couldn't find the stream and got a 404 from the server. I didn't find solutions for that so I went on and tried Icecast. Icecast seemed to be just the right thing for me. Configurable aliases and automatic disconnect from the source stream if there are no clients connected at all. Sounded fine. After I set up everything (a prebuild icecast 1.3.12 win32 binary I found) I tried connected with Winamp to my server and the mount point I had defined for the relay. However the server tried to connect to the source stream and nothing happened. After a while it would time out. I actually checked the network traffic (with Ethereal) and figured out that the Icecast server did connect to the Shoutcast stream (tcp connection established) and sent a complete set of HTTP headers in "x-audiocast" format, but the Shoutcast server did not reply with any data. I compared that set of HTTP headers with the set of headers Winamp sends to the server when it connects and its _completely_ different. Winamp seems to use alot of "icy-" headers (I guess thats the problem?). I heard that Shoutcast servers do not support the x-audiocast format anyway. Yet Icecast is said to be 100% Shoutcast compatible. I also tried adding relays with the "relay pull" command directly in the console and used the -i option and the -m option to secify a local mountpoint. However when connecting with a client to that mountpoint Icecast didn't seem to find the mountpoint at all (according to the debug output), although my relay was indeed in the list you get via "relay list". Sometimes adding or just listing relays with the "relay" command in the console would even lock up the Icecast server. I must be doing something terribly wrong but I can't figure out what. The Icecast documentation seems to be out of date, and it was a major pain to even find prebuild win32 binaries of it (I did not even bother with messing around with the Icecast 1.3 source, it may actually be buildable on Cygwin or something but that takes *alot of time to set up for me now). I also found Icecast2 beta sources that seem to be buildable on win32 but there seems to be absolutely no documentation on how to configure it (i.e. the shoutcast.xml file). The documentation/faqs/readmes included in the Icecast2 package seems to be just the one in the old Icecast package.... Ok...does anyone of you perhaps know how to get the relaying I want to work with Shoutcast or Icecast or any other free software I don't know of yet? Any hint would be *very much appreciated :-)

Thanx alot !!!!

Watz --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From telmnstr at 757.org Wed Dec 4 16:00:08 2002 From: telmnstr at 757.org (Ethan) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 11:00:08 -0500 (EST) Subject: [icecast] the dummy playlist... chaining a clip to a stream. Message-ID: <20021204105951.U22107-100000@users.757.org> Hello. I have a question. We run a number of public service audio streams. They are picking up in popularity, and it would be nice to take some credit for the bandwidth we are supplying. Lots of people directly linking to us. So I would like to attempt to do something that I've seen done with WMA streams. I would like it so when a listener connects, it plays back a 20 second audio clip announcing who pays for it, then rolls into the real audio stream. Any suggestions? I checked to see if there really was a file for the dummy playlist that is referenced in links, hoping that I could shove a pointer to the static served audio announcement first. No go there. I realize it presents all sorts of wierd issues, and if people directly link to the audio stream then it wouldn't work... but is there any way to accomplish this task? It would rock if Icecast supported inserting the audio upon connection, but I realize there are all sorts of logistics that would be a nightmare (relay hosts). -- Ethan

Of course you still have to get all the linking sites to update their links. Hope this is some help. -- pgp public key http://ubertechnique.com/seth/pgp_key.txt ID: 0x60F9B67A --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From telmnstr at 757.org Wed Dec 4 17:49:53 2002 From: telmnstr at 757.org (Ethan) Date: Wed, 4 Dec 2002 12:49:53 -0500 (EST) Subject: [icecast] the dummy playlist... chaining a clip to a stream. In-Reply-To: <20021204114355.A28420@tharsis.ubertechnique.com> Message-ID: <20021204124911.A23033-100000@users.757.org> > It sounds like you would have administrative control of your web server, but > if you don't you can generate your play-lists from a cgi script and set the HTTP > header something equivalent to this: Yea I can add the mime type to the apache config. Thanks a ton! > Of course you still have to get all the linking sites to update their > links. > Hope this is some help. VERY much so! Thanks -- Ethan --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From service at RadioOnDemand.com Wed Dec 4 19:21:25 2002 From: service at RadioOnDemand.com (service) Date: 04 Dec 2002 11:21:25 -0800 Subject: [icecast] reliable mp3 NON X player for streams In-Reply-To: <20021202183208.GG864@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <1039029686.1364.3.camel@alpha.dka.net> Hi there, I'm urgently searching for a bulletproof NON-X mp3 player for high bit rates that can be remotely controlled - if possible. (Server-Client?!) Right now I'm using mpg123 and this program not always starts flawlessly with streams. All ideas are appreciated. HERB RadioOnDemand.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From smoerk at gmx.de Thu Dec 5 05:08:48 2002 From: smoerk at gmx.de (smoerk) Date: Thu, 05 Dec 2002 07:08:48 +0200 Subject: [icecast] reliable mp3 NON X player for streams In-Reply-To: <1039029686.1364.3.camel@alpha.dka.net> Message-ID: <3DEEDF60.5020406@gmx.de> did you try alsaplayer? ervice wrote: > Hi there, > > I'm urgently searching for a bulletproof NON-X mp3 player for high bit > rates that can be remotely controlled - if possible. (Server-Client?!) > > Right now I'm using mpg123 and this program not always starts flawlessly > with streams. > > All ideas are appreciated.

do you have any idea ? Thanks a lot.

On Wed, 2002-12-04 at 21:08, smoerk wrote: > did you try alsaplayer? > > service wrote: > > Hi there, > > > > I'm urgently searching for a bulletproof NON-X mp3 player for high bit > > rates that can be remotely controlled - if possible. (Server-Client?!) > > > > Right now I'm using mpg123 and this program not always starts flawlessly > > with streams. > > > > All ideas are appreciated. > > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.

>Moritz >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.

Stop. make: 1254-004 The error code from the last command is 1.

Stop. make: 1254-004 The error code from the last command is 2.

Stop. # --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From thomas at resonance.org Sun Dec 8 05:39:31 2002 From: thomas at resonance.org (Thomas Spellman) Date: Sat, 7 Dec 2002 21:39:31 -0800 Subject: [icecast] Live file mixing and mic DJ'ing In-Reply-To: <002c01c29d59$11be0070$b5baf835@dc.com.br> Message-ID: <000401c29e7c$300c9720$0100a8c0@thosmos> I'm planning to try to do a live internet radio broadcast using wav and mp3 files as well as live DJ'ing with a mic. What is the best app for doing this and sending the mix to icecast? I need to be able to decide when the files play and be able to mix the live mic over the playing wav and mp3 files. Thanks and please forgive me if this is a common question. Thomas --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From thai at goochi.net Sun Dec 8 13:12:42 2002 From: thai at goochi.net (Thai DANG) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 14:12:42 +0100 Subject: [icecast] Live file mixing and mic DJ'ing In-Reply-To: <000401c29e7c$300c9720$0100a8c0@thosmos> Message-ID: <3DF3454A.5070906@goochi.net> I think MuSe can fit your needs. Thomas Spellman wrote: > I'm planning to try to do a live internet radio broadcast using wav and > mp3 files as well as live DJ'ing with a mic. What is the best app for > doing this and sending the mix to icecast? I need to be able to decide > when the files play and be able to mix the live mic over the playing wav > and mp3 files. > > Thanks and please forgive me if this is a common question. > > Thomas > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. >

-- Comme les maladies contagieuses, les ide'es neuves demandent une certaine pe'riode d'incubation avant que elles soient reconnus. Arthur Koestler, les somnambules --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From juanfer at juanfer.com.ar Sun Dec 8 18:52:50 2002 From: juanfer at juanfer.com.ar (Pardo Juan Fernando) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 15:52:50 -0300 Subject: [icecast] Liveice or Muse In-Reply-To: <3DF3454A.5070906@goochi.net> Message-ID: <200212081552.51568.juanfer@juanfer.com.ar> Somebody can answer me wich stream is better...Liveice or Muse ? --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From thai at goochi.net Sun Dec 8 19:28:41 2002 From: thai at goochi.net (Thai DANG) Date: Sun, 08 Dec 2002 20:28:41 +0100 Subject: [icecast] Liveice or Muse In-Reply-To: <200212081552.51568.juanfer@juanfer.com.ar> Message-ID: <3DF39D69.7060108@goochi.net> Pardo Juan Fernando wrote: > Somebody can answer me wich stream is better...Liveice or Muse ? > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > I tried MuSe, it works well but : - the interface is a bit slow when it is streaming (especially for adding songs dynamically) - I didn't manage to use the command line feature (seg fault)

-- Le simple fait de pouvoir penser l'infini comme un tout indique qu'il existe une facult? de l'esprit d?passant tout mesure des sens. Kant --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From michael.renner at gmx.de Sun Dec 8 20:31:35 2002 From: michael.renner at gmx.de (Michael Renner) Date: Sun, 8 Dec 2002 21:31:35 +0100 Subject: [icecast] how to start liveice with screen? Message-ID: <200212082131.35306.michael.renner@gmx.de> Moin, I installed liceice as well as 'screen' at a debian maschine, both applications are running fine. But when I try to start liveice in a 'screen' environment then the liveice process ends without an error message: $ /usr/bin/screen -dmS liveice /usr/bin/liveice A prefixed 'strace -f' shows me: [pid 5614] old_mmap(NULL, 167936, PROT_READ|PROT_WRITE, MAP_PRIVATE|MAP_ANONYMOUS, -1, 0) = 0x40187000 [pid 5614] write(2, "LAME version 3.92 (http://www.m"..., 45) = 45 [pid 5614] write(2, "usage: /usr/bin/lame [options] <"..., 542) = 542 [pid 5614] _exit(1) Why ist 'lame' started with wrong (in fact: with no) parameters? When liveice is startet direct it runs and feeds my icecast server. Does anybody start liveiceusing screen and can give me the command line? Thanks -- |Michael Renner E-mail: michael.renner at gmx.de | |D-72072 Tuebingen Germany | |Germany Don't drink as root! ESC:wq --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From winnett at ntl.sympatico.ca Tue Dec 10 01:45:35 2002 From: winnett at ntl.sympatico.ca (Stephen Winnett) Date: Mon, 9 Dec 2002 20:45:35 -0500 Subject: [icecast] ices file name problem Message-ID: I have a collection fo mp3s that I wish to stream. They came from a windows environment and when ripped they used spaces in the files names. When I prepare a file list with the spaces on the linux box it works fine with mpg123 and muse buts spits out error messages from ices and continues to cycle through the playlist until I break out of ices.

Error opening /music/d/m4/ANNOINTED - UNDER THE INFLUENCE NA.mp3 : Error opening: No such file or directory This is what I get for output. If I remove all the whitespaces it works just fine. This of course is a workaround. I would rather not have to rename the hundreds or files. I am using the ices 0.2.3 on RH 8.0 Any help would be appreciated greatly.

Stephen Winnett wrote: >I have a collection fo mp3s that I wish to stream. >They came from a windows environment and when ripped >they used spaces in the files names. > >When I prepare a file list with the spaces on the linux box it works >fine with >mpg123 and muse buts spits out error messages from ices and continues >to cycle >through the playlist until I break out of ices. > > >Error opening /music/d/m4/ANNOINTED - UNDER THE INFLUENCE NA.mp3 : >Error opening: No such file or directory > >This is what I get for output. >If I remove all the whitespaces it works just fine. This of course is >a workaround. > >I would rather not have to rename the hundreds or files. > >I am using the ices 0.2.3 on RH 8.0 > >Any help would be appreciated greatly. > > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > >

> -----Original Message----- > From: owner-icecast at xiph.org > [mailto:owner-icecast at xiph.org]On Behalf Of > Stephen Winnett > Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 8:52 PM > To: icecast at xiph.org > Subject: RE: [icecast] ices file name problem > > > > how have you made this playlist? I used a 'find' command > > and redirect the > > output into a file. > > I used ls *.mp3 >start.pls > this works for mpg123 but not ices. > > I followed your advice and used quotes around the file > names still no > good. > > I tried the \ delimiting earlier and it did not work either. > > /music/d/m5/SONIC\ FLOOD\ -\ R\ \ I\ HAVE\ COME\ TO\ WORSHIP\ \ \ \ > JEFF\ SEARLES.mp3 > > Any other suggestions. Or perhaps there is a bug in the > default file > handler of ices. > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No > subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > >

thanks for the quick response ! i've got lots to keep me from pulling my hair out (just yet .. er, again !:) a:/, --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk Thu Dec 12 00:57:58 2002 From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes) Date: 12 Dec 2002 00:57:58 +0000 Subject: [icecast] icecast2/ices2 , 7o minutes and crash In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1039654682.1678.45.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Wed, 2002-12-11 at 21:04, Adon Irani wrote: > > I would check the system logs (/var/log/messages) first for panic > > messages, make sure you have decent cooling for fast processors. > > i still have to check my cooling , but the /var/log/messages is clear/no > panics . panics are rare but good to check for. > > Running something like ices (or any streamer) involves constant CPU use > > so heat could be a factor. > > according to the WHOWATCH util my cpu load was marginal (<.1 ) , i wonder > if this is only for those connected users . ( i'll look into this ) . If it's the figure thats reported from uptime then it doesn't mean much, just on average the number of runnable jobs. This will mainly depend on what's running but with ices configured with 2 streams you'll have one input and 2 instance threads running but not all the time. > > Make sure you have a recent kernel for recent hardware, there are always > > some subtle bugs that need to be sorted. The newer athlons for instance > > need some tweaks for reliability as some BIOSes don't program them > > correctly (the usual problem). > > originally i had 2.4 , but i was having many problems and had read a few > reports of icecast breaking w/ the upgrade . so on this attempt , i went > w/ 2.2 .. but i'll go back to 2.4 now . 2.4 is fine, I'm running on the RH8 kernel here, which is 2.4.18 plus bits but I've run other versions without issue. > > Other things to check could be the alsa drivers, check against OSS and > > any other recent alsa driver package (www.alsa-project.org). The X > > server can be eliminated by stopping the server (init 3) and just run > > ices off the console. > > X is not installed .. and for the alsa, i've used the debian packages . > but i'll find the most recent and try those for tests sakes . Not running X means that the graphics side won't be the cause (can be awkward). I would suspect heating for the moment, I had similar problems some time ago and problems such as not burning CDs correctly until a put a fan in. Another key thing to check is memory, there's a util memcheck86 (IIRC) to do this, but building a large optimised program like the kernel with -j N can be quite good as well (make N something like 4). > > If it still happens then just check what happens to the processes over > > that period of time. vmstat 1 is usually good. > > i expected it would, and i got your msg just in time . about 75 mins in > (almost exactly the length of the last run ) it crashed . but the vmstat 1 > output is uneventful .. > > final entry > 1 0 0 0 321884 154192 22228 0 0 0 0 130 92 5 0 95 > > oldest, > n-22 er so > 0 0 0 0 304608 154192 22228 0 0 0 0 124 81 19 0 81 > > (i'll have to look into what the us register is , this is the only > variable in flux 19,20,32,5,5,23,22,3,5...5 . and the jump in free > memory , only the last 3 lines are 321884 , the rest are +/- 4k off 304608 > ). us is userspace (time spent in actual programs). If the last figure is hovering around 80-90 mark then your machine is mainly idle. It looks fine from here though. karl.

many thanks Karl . a:/, --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk Thu Dec 12 21:32:33 2002 From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes) Date: 12 Dec 2002 21:32:33 +0000 Subject: [icecast] icecast2/ices2 , 7o minutes and crash In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1039728755.1076.53.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Thu, 2002-12-12 at 20:57, Adon Irani wrote: > wow . you were right on .. i installed a new fan last night . i've been > running icecast2/ices2 for half-a-day already _ more than 10x longer than > my 7o min runs . excellent, it was unlikely that ices/icecast themselves were causing the issue. But ices is usually very CPU bound (encoding) so it was a good possibility. > and i think my er .. m, right .. my memory is fine / -j4 worked and was > speEdy .. but i was unable to track down memcheck86 ; best tip i have is > to look at the linux distributions ,but i haven't yet . Had a quick look and the util is located below. Never used it myself but I believe one of the distros uses it at install. Norton had a similar util but that never found anything when I last had a memory problem but was easily reproduced with a straight forward ls -lR /usr - seg vault. http://www.memtest86.com/ It sounds like your running ok though. karl.

thanks .. a:/, --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From list_usr at spacebox.net Thu Dec 12 22:39:52 2002 From: list_usr at spacebox.net (Duke) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 17:39:52 -0500 Subject: [icecast] ices can't logon to server Message-ID: <200212121739.52171.list_usr@spacebox.net> I'm certain I've got everything configured correctly, however, I keep getting the following message when trying to run ices: Error during send: Mount failed on http://24.85.153.176:8000/house, error: Could not login on server. Server message: There is no "server message" btw, that's the whole error right there. In the console I'm running icecast2 from, I get the following: connection added.... DEBUG: parsing failed Both errors continue until I kill the ices process. Any ideas? btw - do I have to have a mountpoint? If I'm running only one server, can I just leave the mountpoint blank? Thanks! --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From msmith at labyrinth.net.au Thu Dec 12 23:34:49 2002 From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (msmith at labyrinth.net.au) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 23:34:49 -0000 Subject: [icecast] ices can't logon to server In-Reply-To: <200212121739.52171.list_usr@spacebox.net> Message-ID: <200212122334.gBCNYn479528@minotaur.labyrinth.net.au> Duke said: > I'm certain I've got everything configured correctly, however, I keep getting > the following message when trying to run ices: ices 0.x doesn't use the same protocol as icecast2. Don't use it. Use ices2 instead. Mike --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From list_usr at spacebox.net Fri Dec 13 01:04:43 2002 From: list_usr at spacebox.net (Duke) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 20:04:43 -0500 Subject: [icecast] ices can't logon to server In-Reply-To: <200212122334.gBCNYn479528@minotaur.labyrinth.net.au> Message-ID: <200212122004.43579.list_usr@spacebox.net> Do you mean ices 0.2.3? If so, I'm still getting the same error.

On December 12, 2002 18:34, msmith at labyrinth.net.au wrote: > Duke said: > > I'm certain I've got everything configured correctly, however, I keep > > getting the following message when trying to run ices: > > ices 0.x doesn't use the same protocol as icecast2. Don't use it. > Use ices2 instead. > > Mike > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From chrisg1 at umbc.edu Fri Dec 13 02:22:18 2002 From: chrisg1 at umbc.edu (Chris G Moguta) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:22:18 -0500 Subject: [icecast] ogg and mp3 In-Reply-To: <[icecast] ogg and mp3> Message-ID: <3DFA7523@webmail> For your "non-technical" listeners, both WinAmp 2 and 3 support OGG. And it's free, as I'm sure you know. Challenge them to listen to the difference too. Once they hear how much better OGG sounds at the lower bitrates, I'm sure they won't mind switching over. And you might as well try to force their hands away from Micro$oft's Windows Media Player, if that's what they're trying to use. =p Just my 0.02 dollars advice. >===== Original Message From Adon Irani ===== > i'm running a community-radio/ new-media project out of Barrie, >Ontario/Canada . http://theDV8network.com ; free radio and fertile >resistances, fresh from the Canadian underground . > >our listeners are not necessarily very technical . . but i've read >Cathedral and the Bazaar , and of course i want to support ogg ( as an >alternative media ). but i don't want to force my listeners into >'installing an ogg player' , i want to offer one mp3 stream for comforts >sake . > >-// > >my question -- using icecast2/ices2 as the main server , what is the best >way to offer an mp3 relay . > >ie. can i rename icecast2's 'icecast' to 'icecast2' , install >icecast/liveice to run concurrently .. > >or , anyone have luck w/ streamTranscoder ? looks promising , but it >won't connect to the output stream's server correctly . > > >thanks .. > > a:/, >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From msmith at labyrinth.net.au Fri Dec 13 03:05:08 2002 From: msmith at labyrinth.net.au (msmith at labyrinth.net.au) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:05:08 -0000 Subject: [icecast] ices can't logon to server In-Reply-To: <200212122004.43579.list_usr@spacebox.net> Message-ID: <200212130305.gBD358481426@minotaur.labyrinth.net.au> Duke said: > Do you mean ices 0.2.3? If so, I'm still getting the same error. No, I don't. I mean ices2, as I said. Michael --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From oddsock at oddsock.org Fri Dec 13 03:19:15 2002 From: oddsock at oddsock.org (oddsock) Date: Thu, 12 Dec 2002 21:19:15 -0600 Subject: [icecast] ogg and mp3 In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.1.1.6.0.20021212211735.034eee10@oddsock.org> At 04:38 PM 12/12/2002 -0500, you wrote:

>or , anyone have luck w/ streamTranscoder ? looks promising , but it >won't connect to the output stream's server correctly . I've had very good luck with streamTranscoder...and not just because I wrote it....oh wait...maybe it IS because I wrote it....but seriously, what the problem ? feel free to send me info off list if you'd like... oddsock at oddsock.org

On December 12, 2002 22:05, msmith at labyrinth.net.au wrote: > Duke said: > > Do you mean ices 0.2.3? If so, I'm still getting the same error. > > No, I don't. I mean ices2, as I said. > > Michael > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From adon at YorkU.CA Fri Dec 13 08:06:49 2002 From: adon at YorkU.CA (Adon Irani) Date: Fri, 13 Dec 2002 03:06:49 -0500 (EST) Subject: [icecast] ices can't logon to server In-Reply-To: <200212130255.32683.list_usr@spacebox.net> Message-ID: > Where can I get ice2? (Seems ices2 doesn't actually exist.) is it useable? > >From what I found on google, the cvs web listing says the code hasn't been > touched in 22 months, and that it's mostly incomplete. > > Should I just use icescast and ices? it's all up to you/ your needs . ice/icecast will give you solid .mp3 playlist streaming .. ices2/icecast2 (from xiph.org / cvs_ ices/icecast/et al. .) .. this will give you ogg vorbis live streaming as well as mp3/ogg static playback . and i'm sure it'll support playlists .. :: this one will definately give you better performance/ quality , but its somewhat more involved to setup .. a:/, --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk Fri Dec 13 14:01:24 2002 From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes) Date: 13 Dec 2002 14:01:24 +0000 Subject: [icecast] ices can't logon to server In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1039788084.1108.3.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Fri, 2002-12-13 at 08:06, Adon Irani wrote: > ices2/icecast2 (from xiph.org / cvs_ ices/icecast/et al. .) .. this will > give you ogg vorbis live streaming as well as mp3/ogg static playback . > and i'm sure it'll support playlists .. > :: this one will definately give you better performance/ quality , but its > somewhat more involved to setup .. not really that difficult. CVS instructions are on the web page and or look at mike's URL http://www.xiph.org/~msmith/ for a starting point karl.

On Sun, Dec 08, 2002 at 08:28:41PM +0100, Thai DANG wrote: > Pardo Juan Fernando wrote: > >Somebody can answer me wich stream is better...Liveice or Muse ? > > I tried MuSe, it works well but : > - the interface is a bit slow when it is streaming (especially for > adding songs dynamically) > - I didn't manage to use the command line feature (seg fault) version 0.8 is on the run, i'm taking particular care to commandline and oggvorbis streaming will be supported; GTK GUI is being revamped as well. there is allready something you can test in cvs on savannah.gnu.org/projects/muse, but has still bugs in. happy new year

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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE9+fgtWLCC1ltubZcRAmzKAKCP4EkAi6jGTjrk8i1mEmBeah48KgCgxh3W bkr5G3hvlhqd1xa+ibEgI+Q= =2/q2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gtgbr at gmx.net Fri Dec 13 23:31:56 2002 From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net) Date: Sat, 14 Dec 2002 00:31:56 +0100 Subject: [icecast] Performance icecast In-Reply-To: <1039792723.24194.5.camel@rohan> Message-ID: <3DFA6DEC.B9C96F38@gmx.net> "M.C. van Dorp" wrote: > Now i'm planning to co-locate a server to play my music but i'm kinda > wondering what kind of specs(processor, memory etc) i need for let's say > 3000 listeners(32kbit, stereo) at the same time. > I see the program is not that cpu intensive but can't figure it out > myself. If you're lucky and get 100MBit guaranteed, then you might actually be able to serve that many listeners at 32kbps. In any case, I doubt this will be very problematic for any fairly recent computer with a good PCI network card. You're likely to run out of bandwidth prior to cpu cycles. If you don't re-encode on the server itself, some K6-3/400 with 128MB RAM or so might provide enough overhead.

_________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From ajb at jireh.co.uk Tue Dec 17 09:33:55 2002 From: ajb at jireh.co.uk (ajb) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 09:33:55 -0000 Subject: [icecast] Can anyone help setting up ?? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi, what I am trying to do is set-up a server that will live broadcast - what I need is some help setting up the server etc and am willing to pay Can anyone help on this please

All the Best Andrew --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at Tue Dec 17 10:29:03 2002 From: lukas.oesterreicher at inode.at (Lukas �sterreicher) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 11:29:03 +0100 Subject: [icecast] Can anyone help setting up ?? In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Can anyone help setting up ??> Message-ID: I'd advise to search for previous messages on this mailing list, such as http://www.xiph.org/archives/icecast/2870.html where you can see how to compile it. But before you go ahead ask yourself ir you really want icecast (2). If you just want some server and mp3 only is ok then go for shoutcast, as it's easyier to set up, and there are binarys of that around, also for windows. If you go for icecast I guess its better to go for a unix system. What is this sever you want to set up intended for? What resources do you have? Note that there are also commercial streaming servers out there to wich you can sent your stream to as to make it public. I guess you're asking at the wrong place if you want to pay someone to set it up for you. (Umm, am I right with this, fellow readers?) Lukas >Hi, > >what I am trying to do is set-up a server that will live broadcast - what I need is some help setting up the server etc and am >willing to pay > >Can anyone help on this please > > >All the Best > >Andrew > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > >

Hi, what I am trying to do is set-up a server that will live broadcast - what I need is some help setting up the server etc and am willing to pay Can anyone help on this please

All the Best Andrew --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From styx31 at free.fr Tue Dec 17 21:34:20 2002 From: styx31 at free.fr (Styx31) Date: Tue, 17 Dec 2002 22:34:20 +0100 Subject: [icecast] Hi there. having a problem and asking for your help. Message-ID: <002501c2a614$129c38e0$2701a8c0@coldwire.local> First, I would like to precise you that I'm a poor french, and that I'm not lucky with english... So, my question is about IceCast (naturally) and moreover about southcasting and master/slave configuration. In fact, I'm totally new in configuration of IceCast, and the problem is : - Next Sunday, we have a big national war against 2 clans on Tribes2 game - For this occasion, we'll need to shoutcast spectators commentaries. - We have a friend who've got a server under linux with icecast installed (I could give you more information if you want). The bandwidth is correct (about 4Mb), si we can hope connection will not be a problem. - We (a friend and me) are the two commentators (excuse me for my sad english, really), and we "simply" want : - To stay at home (in fact, we don't have any physical access to the computer hosting icecast) - To connect to the icecast server - And diffuse our voice on the southcast. The idea (for me) is to configure icecast as slave, and so it can connect itself to a server who will send him our voice (by using a classical winamp+shoutcast method perhaps ?). So, icecast will just broadcast what it receives. I really dunno if you could help us, but if I've made a great mistake by asking you, you could perhaps redirect me to the right persons... PS : We have time, and we can upgrade/install differents softwares... If you have questions, I'll try for sure to anwser them. Thank you. Thomas

Thanks --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk Thu Dec 19 22:02:58 2002 From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes) Date: 19 Dec 2002 22:02:58 +0000 Subject: [icecast] Liveice on Linux PPC || use ices => use darkice In-Reply-To: <3E023FB2.3090508@qwest.net> Message-ID: <1040335378.1101.29.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Thu, 2002-12-19 at 21:52, Drew Lane wrote: > I need a live streamer that will work on Linux PPC (Yellow Dog Linux). > > I can't get darkice to compile (error in 'MultiThreadedConnector.cpp') > and there is no darkice RPM for PPC. Well try ices, I'm guessing the OSS input will read from the sound card on PPC but check and let us know so we can fix it if not. Check the CVS page on www.xiph.org and get hold of libshout and ices. karl.

OK, I got the CVS version of darkice. Now when I run 'make' I get the following error(s): VorbisLibEncoder.cpp: In method 'bool VorbisLibEncoder::open()': Plus about 10 more lines of errors. I probably don't have a Vorbis Encoder installed, if that's what the problem is However, I wasn't really planning on using Vorbis right now; I just want to do a live MP3 stream. Drew

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[root at live liveice]# ./liveice playlist playlist 0 Initialising Soundcard 16Bit 22050Hz Stereo opening connection to localhost 80 Attempting to Contact Server connection successful: forking process opening pipe!... writing password Setting up Interface Soundcard Reopened For Encoding Input Format: 16Bit 22050Hz Stereo Output Format: 32000 Bps Mpeg Audio IceCast Server: localhost:80 Mountpoint: live Name: LiveMusic Genre: experimental Url: http://server.com:80 Description: Live and on the air Press '+' to Finish Lvl: L: 70 R: 61 1279:Error: sending data to remote server Lvl: L: 68 R: 70 [root at live icecast-1.3.12]# icecast Icecast Version 1.3.12 Initializing... Icecast comes with NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. You may redistribute copies of Icecast under the terms of the GNU General Public License. For more information about these matters, see the file named COPYING. Starting thread engine... [20/Dec/2002:10:35:45] Icecast Version 1.3.12 Starting.. [20/Dec/2002:10:35:45] Starting Admin Console Thread... -> [20/Dec/2002:10:35:45] Starting main connection handler... -> [20/Dec/2002:10:35:45] Listening on port 80... -> [20/Dec/2002:10:35:45] Using 'server.com' as servername... -> [20/Dec/2002:10:35:45] Server limits: 900 clients, 900 clients per source, 10 sources, 5 admins -> [20/Dec/2002:10:35:45] WWW Admin interface accessible at http://server.com:80/admin -> [20/Dec/2002:10:35:45] Starting Calender Thread... -> [20/Dec/2002:10:35:45] Starting UDP handler thread... -> [20/Dec/2002:10:35:45] Starting relay connector thread... -> -> [20/Dec/2002:10:35:45] [Bandwidth: 0.000000MB/s] [Sources: 0] [Clients: 0] [Admins: 1] [Uptime: 0 seconds] -> [20/Dec/2002:10:36:07] Kicking source 1 [127.0.0.1] [Access Denied (tcp wrappers (source connection))] [encoder], connected for 1 seconds, 0 bytes transfered. -1 sources connected -> [20/Dec/2002:10:36:07] Kicking all 0 clients for source 1 -> --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From kerry.cox at ksl.com Fri Dec 20 19:29:04 2002 From: kerry.cox at ksl.com (Kerry Cox) Date: 20 Dec 2002 12:29:04 -0700 Subject: [icecast] streaming both mp3 and ogg In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <1040412546.30130.254.camel@quasi.ksl.com> That's fine and all for people who run the latest WinAmp or XMMS that do support Ogg Vorbis (aside from the vanilla Red Hat 8.0 users), but some of us must stream in .mp3 format. That is what the users expect. I am guessing, however, and look to have some time today to try and implement this, that I can dual stream on my Icecast box while running icecast 1.3.12 on port 8000 and then set up a separate directory with the latest CVS releases installed in other bin/ directories and then stream on port 8001 in .ogg format. I have been successful in getting both to work individually on separate boxes, but don't know about streaming off the same box. FYI, I also created a document detailing our installation woes with instructions for anyone interested. If anyone wants to contribute back to this, have at it. It's just in Star Office 6.0 (Open Office 1.0.1) format and converted to Word 2000 as well. http://quasi.ksl.com/icecast/ I haven't had time to migrate it into HTML (Star Office's rendition was hideous). This is just a precursor to a more detailed explanation I hope to create soon, though I hope this early version helps someone. KJ On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 09:48, Geoff Shang wrote: > Hi: > > As for streaming MP3 and OGG, one thing you might want to do is have > everything in OGG. Ices2 of course will read it just fine and ices 0.2.3 > can take ogg files as input. 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Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 233 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part URL: From drewlane at qwest.net Fri Dec 20 19:52:34 2002 From: drewlane at qwest.net (Drew Lane) Date: Fri, 20 Dec 2002 12:52:34 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Ices on Linux PPC In-Reply-To: <1040407731.1074.47.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <3E037502.6040200@qwest.net> > > >seems odd.. > >with sh use >make 2>&1 1> output > >or with csh > >make >& output > >karl > I ran make again. Here is the output: Making all in src make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/ices/src' Making all in avl make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ices/src/avl' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ices/src/avl' Making all in thread make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ices/src/thread' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ices/src/thread' Making all in net make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ices/src/net' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ices/src/net' Making all in log make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ices/src/log' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ices/src/log' Making all in timing make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ices/src/timing' make[2]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ices/src/timing' make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ices/src' gcc -DPACKAGE=\"ices\" -DVERSION=\"2.0\" -DHAVE_DLFCN_H=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_STDINT_H=1 -I. -I. -Inet -Ithread -Iavl -Ilog -Itiming -DHAVE_OSS -O20 -ffast-math -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/usr/include/libxml2/libxml -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/include -I/include -I/include -I/include -c encode.c encode.c: In function `encode_initialise': encode.c:91: storage size of `ai' isn't known encode.c:92: `OV_ECTL_RATEMANAGE_GET' undeclared (first use in this function) encode.c:92: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once encode.c:92: for each function it appears in.) encode.c:96: `OV_ECTL_RATEMANAGE_SET' undeclared (first use in this function) encode.c:101: `OV_ECTL_RATEMANAGE_AVG' undeclared (first use in this function) make[2]: *** [encode.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ices/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ices/src' make: *** [all-recursive] Error 1

make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/darkice/darkice' Making all in src make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/darkice/darkice/src' c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -O2 -pedantic -Wall -c VorbisLibEncoder.cpp VorbisLibEncoder.cpp: In method `bool VorbisLibEncoder::open()': VorbisLibEncoder.cpp:157: `vorbis_encode_setup_managed' undeclared (first use this function) VorbisLibEncoder.cpp:157: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once VorbisLibEncoder.cpp:157: for each function it appears in.) VorbisLibEncoder.cpp:158: `OV_ECTL_RATEMANAGE_SET' undeclared (first use this function) VorbisLibEncoder.cpp:159: `vorbis_encode_setup_init' undeclared (first use this function) VorbisLibEncoder.cpp:118: warning: `int ret' might be used uninitialized in this function VorbisLibEncoder.cpp: In method `void VorbisLibEncoder::vorbisBlocksOut()': VorbisLibEncoder.cpp:319: `vorbis_bitrate_addblock' undeclared (first use this function) VorbisLibEncoder.cpp:321: `vorbis_bitrate_flushpacket' undeclared (first use this function) make[2]: *** [VorbisLibEncoder.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/darkice/darkice/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/darkice/darkice' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > > you can configure it not to use vorbis libs. try > > ./configure --without-vorbis > make > make install I do have vorbis installed, but I got the same result either way. Drew

.. just caught this msg ,. i had the same problem . it has to do w/ OGGVORBiS . . using debian , i THiNK i had to install the unstable package of OGG/VORBiS libs . this made the difference . . ( and be sure the clear out the old libs correctly if you are not using a package maintainer .) a:/, --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk Fri Dec 20 21:50:10 2002 From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes) Date: 20 Dec 2002 21:50:10 +0000 Subject: [icecast] Ices on Linux PPC In-Reply-To: <3E037502.6040200@qwest.net> Message-ID: <1040421010.1474.78.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Fri, 2002-12-20 at 19:52, Drew Lane wrote: ... > make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ices/src' > gcc -DPACKAGE=\"ices\" -DVERSION=\"2.0\" -DHAVE_DLFCN_H=1 -DSTDC_HEADERS=1 -DHAVE_STDINT_H=1 -I. -I. -Inet -Ithread -Iavl -Ilog -Itiming -DHAVE_OSS -O20 -ffast-math -fsigned-char -D_REENTRANT -D_GNU_SOURCE -I/usr/include/libxml2/libxml -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/include -I/include -I/include -I/include -c encode.c > encode.c: In function `encode_initialise': > encode.c:91: storage size of `ai' isn't known > encode.c:92: `OV_ECTL_RATEMANAGE_GET' undeclared (first use in this function) > encode.c:92: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > encode.c:92: for each function it appears in.) > encode.c:96: `OV_ECTL_RATEMANAGE_SET' undeclared (first use in this function) > encode.c:101: `OV_ECTL_RATEMANAGE_AVG' undeclared (first use in this function) All this should be in the vorbisenc.h file, can you check that file, do things like grep OV_ECTL_RATEMANAGE_GET /usr/include/vorbis/vorbisenc.h it should show #define OV_ECTL_RATEMANAGE_GET 0x10 if not, check the vorbis and ogg installations (best go for v1.0), if it does, check that there is a #include in the encode.c file (~line 20). It's either not including the file or the file does not have them. karl.

Yeah, I think installing the final verison of vorbis solved a lot of problems. However, here's a new error I'm getting when trying to 'make' darkice: make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/darkice/darkice' Making all in src make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/darkice/darkice/src' c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -O2 -pedantic -Wall -c Util.cpp Util.cpp: In function `static char * Util::fileAddDate(const char *)': Util.cpp:282: `time' undeclared (first use this function) Util.cpp:282: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once Util.cpp:282: for each function it appears in.) Util.cpp:283: `localtime' undeclared (first use this function) Util.cpp:283: `strftime' undeclared (first use this function) make[2]: *** [Util.o] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/darkice/darkice/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/darkice/darkice' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2

Any idea what's wrong? Thanks, Drew --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From darkeye at tyrell.hu Sun Dec 22 01:20:37 2002 From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 02:20:37 +0100 Subject: [icecast] Darkice on Linux PPC In-Reply-To: <3E049E6C.5070106@qwest.net> Message-ID: <3E051365.3060503@tyrell.hu> Drew Lane wrote: > make all-recursive > make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/darkice/darkice' > Making all in src > make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/darkice/darkice/src' > c++ -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -O2 -pedantic -Wall -c Util.cpp > Util.cpp: In function `static char * Util::fileAddDate(const char *)': > Util.cpp:282: `time' undeclared (first use this function) > Util.cpp:282: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once > Util.cpp:282: for each function it appears in.) > Util.cpp:283: `localtime' undeclared (first use this function) > Util.cpp:283: `strftime' undeclared (first use this function) > make[2]: *** [Util.o] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/darkice/darkice/src' > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/darkice/darkice' > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 Can you refresh your sources from the CVS, and try again? Thanks,

Akos

OK, I got it to compile this time using the new sources from CVS. I am able to run the program and I heard myself talking through a microphone, but the client keeps rebuffering every 10 seconds or so. Not sure if this is because of some settings I need to adjust or if it's because the computer is too slow (200 Mhz 604e). Also, I can only run the program once without rebooting. If it try to run it again I get the error message: DarkIce: OssDspSource.cpp:184: can't set format [32] It seems like the sound server is frozen up at this point, because I get a sound server initalization eror if I try to start KDE after this. Drew

Akos --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From drewlane at qwest.net Sun Dec 22 22:31:01 2002 From: drewlane at qwest.net (Drew Lane) Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2002 15:31:01 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Ices on Linux PPC In-Reply-To: <1040487507.2022.19.camel@bogus.hackers.club> Message-ID: <3E063D25.8030409@qwest.net> > > > > >>Also, will this live stream be Ogg or MP3? I need MP3. >> >> > >as mentioned before, ices2 will deal with ogg, mp3 can be dealt with by >ices 0.2.3 or some other source tool. > >karl > > Well, is ices 0.2.3 still being supported? Because I still can't get it to compile on the PPC even with new version of LAME and ogg installed. Here's the output from make: make all-recursive make[1]: Entering directory `/usr/ices-0.2.3' Making all in libshout make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ices-0.2.3/libshout' make all-recursive make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ices-0.2.3/libshout' Making all in doc make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/ices-0.2.3/libshout/doc' make[4]: Nothing to be done for `all'. make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ices-0.2.3/libshout/doc' make[4]: Entering directory `/usr/ices-0.2.3/libshout' make[4]: Leaving directory `/usr/ices-0.2.3/libshout' make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ices-0.2.3/libshout' make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ices-0.2.3/libshout' Making all in src make[2]: Entering directory `/usr/ices-0.2.3/src' Making all in playlist make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/ices-0.2.3/src/playlist' gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -DICES_MODULEDIR=\"/usr/local/icecast/etc/modules\" -I../../src -I../../libshout -fno-strict-aliasing -I/usr/local/include -I/usr/lib/perl5/5.6.0/ppc-linux/CORE -I/usr/include/libxml2/libxml -I/usr/include/libxml2 -I/include -g -O2 -Wall -c playlist.c In file included from ../../src/definitions.h:107, from playlist.c:22: ../../src/icestypes.h:34: parse error before `shout_conn_t' ../../src/icestypes.h:34: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union ../../src/icestypes.h:60: parse error before `}' ../../src/icestypes.h:60: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `ices_stream_t' ../../src/icestypes.h:60: warning: data definition has no type or storage class ../../src/icestypes.h:83: parse error before `ices_stream_t' ../../src/icestypes.h:83: warning: no semicolon at end of struct or union ../../src/icestypes.h:85: parse error before `}' ../../src/icestypes.h:85: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `ices_config_t' ../../src/icestypes.h:85: warning: data definition has no type or storage class In file included from ../../src/definitions.h:109, from playlist.c:22: ../../src/setup.h:26: parse error before `*' In file included from ../../src/definitions.h:117, from playlist.c:22: ../../src/reencode.h:27: parse error before `*' ../../src/reencode.h:29: parse error before `*' In file included from ../../src/definitions.h:118, from playlist.c:22: ../../src/ices_config.h:22: parse error before `*' playlist.c:25: parse error before `ices_config' playlist.c:25: warning: type defaults to `int' in declaration of `ices_config' playlist.c:25: warning: data definition has no type or storage class playlist.c: In function `ices_playlist_get_current_lineno': playlist.c:36: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or union playlist.c:37: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or union playlist.c: In function `ices_playlist_get_next': playlist.c:48: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or union playlist.c:49: warning: control reaches end of non-void function playlist.c: In function `ices_playlist_get_metadata': playlist.c:56: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or union playlist.c:57: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or union playlist.c: In function `ices_playlist_initialize': playlist.c:70: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or union playlist.c:72: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or union playlist.c:74: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or union playlist.c:85: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or union playlist.c:74: warning: unreachable code at beginning of switch statement playlist.c: In function `ices_playlist_reload': playlist.c:108: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or union playlist.c:109: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or union playlist.c: In function `ices_playlist_shutdown': playlist.c:119: request for member `pm' in something not a structure or union make[3]: *** [playlist.o] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/ices-0.2.3/src/playlist' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/ices-0.2.3/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/ices-0.2.3' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2

Well, top is reporting that darkice is using between 11-13% I'm not sure if the system can encode mp3 in real time, but I do have a G3 processor upgrade coming in the next week or so which should eliminate that question. >> hm... most probably /dev/dsp is not released... try > > > fuser /dev/dsp This returns nothing. Is there any other way to release /dev/dsp? Also, I sometimes get a segmentation fault when running darkice. :^( Drew --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From karl at pts.tele2.co.uk Mon Dec 23 00:32:39 2002 From: karl at pts.tele2.co.uk (Karl Heyes) Date: 23 Dec 2002 00:32:39 +0000 Subject: [icecast] Ices on Linux PPC In-Reply-To: <3E0652B2.7050607@qwest.net> Message-ID: <1040603576.1045.24.camel@bogus.hackers.club> On Mon, 2002-12-23 at 00:02, Drew Lane wrote: > However, even though I did a 'make install' it's still launching > ices 2.0 when I type 'ices' from the command line. check the install paths, one maybe /usr/bin and the other maybe /usr/local/bin. /usr/bin maybe first in your search path. > So, how do I specify 0.2.3? > > Can I have both ices 2.0 and 0.2.3 on the same computer? personally if it were me, I would place them in /usr/local/ices-0.2.3 and /use/local/ices2-. Then you can symlink from /usr/local/bin both ices and ices2. Use --prefix=/usr/...... > Would it make sense to have one program called 'ices' and the other > 'ices2' ? possibly, wouldn't be much of a change, it's just a matter of what peoples feelings on this are. Changing the name means you avoid a name clash but then again mp3 support maybe added which would make ices-0.2.3 a non-issue (ices 0.2.3 does have a couple of build issues to resolve). karl.

>>possibly, wouldn't be much of a change, it's just a matter of what >>peoples feelings on this are. Changing the name means you avoid a name >>clash but then again mp3 support maybe added which would make ices-0.2.3 >>a non-issue (ices 0.2.3 does have a couple of build issues to resolve). >> >> I think mp3 support is important for the time being (until their is more support for ogg). Also, being able to read in mp3 files and broadcast out in ogg or mp3 would be cool. BTW, I assume that using mp3 files on the server and broadcasting in ogg doesn't infringe on any patents... (seems like it would be pretty tough to figure out what the source format was anyway) Drew

Yes, running as root. Here is the loadavg while darkice is running: cat /proc/loadavg 0.29 0.13 0.06 1/56 979 > you can always check: encode (using command line lame) a 1 minute wav > file to mp3. if it takes less than 1 minute, you did it below real > time :) A one minute .wav file took 17 seconds to encode with the command 'lame myfile.wav' >> bad news :( can you compile it in debug mode and send me the >> backtrace? for debug mode, change the line > OK, i changed the flag and ran make again. Is there a log somewhere once the error occurs? The segmentation fault is somewhat unpredictable, and it doesn't always happen. BTW, I still need it to release /dev/dsp. Drew

> -----Original Message----- > From: Geoff Shang [mailto:gshang at uq.net.au] > Sent: 23 December 2002 17:02 > To: 'icecast at xiph.org' > Subject: Re: [icecast] [newbie] couple of quick questions > > > On Mon, 23 Dec 2002, Campbell, David wrote: > > > 1: Do I need 'shout' to be able to stream playlists? I > know it's not > > supported anymore and it doesn't appear to be bundled with > the latest dist? > > ices superseeds shout. get ices 0.2.3 from icecast.org. > > > 2: Whats the best way of creating a random playlist from > several hundred > > mp3's and streaming via icecast? Is there any way to just > point icecast at > > a directory and say 'stream these files randomly for ever?' > > icecast is a server, not a streamer. Best to use ices for this (see > above). > > > 3: Will I have problems with different Bitrate's on my playlists? > > You will certainly have issues with different sampling rates. Ices' > behaviour in this respect is weird. If you're resampling to > a particular > rate, only 44.1 stereo files work as intended. Mono files > come out on one > side only and a sound fragment seems to loop in the other channel, and > files at 22khz play at double speed. Mono files at 22khz > play at double > speed and act like 44.1 mono files. If you're not > re-encoding, differeing > bitrates will probably sink you as players won't like it. > > Geoff. > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No > subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. >

I have a winamp 2.81 client on win2k listening to the stream. and I am seeing that the status light flips back and forth between red and green. does that mean my server is sending errors? ometimes - very rarely the client will be kicked by icecast because the also I cannot see the ID information being sent - this could be a shoutcast issue but any clues why it aint getting sent. houtcast's configuration: --- snip --- autodetect yes default_bitrate 128000 force no autocorrect yes --- snip --- I think I provided all the relevant data - let me knwo.

Hi Geoff, I am using Icecast Version 1.3.12. well shouldnt there be some type of auto bandwidth decrease if the client is not able to keep up? also do you have any clue why my winamp status lamp goe sred then back to green. do you think the server is sending out errors?

- Noah

> > Geoff. > > > -- > Geoff Shang > ICQ number 43634701 > > Make sure your E-mail can be read by everyone! > http://www.betips.net/etc/evilmail.html > > Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments. > See http://www.fsf.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. >

NGW> can anybody explain to me the mountpoint that is mentioned by icecast NGW> version 1.3.12? NGW> I see that the mountpoint is /default NGW> what does this mean and how can I change it in the icecast.conf file. NGW> I am running this on a freebsd 4.7 STABLE release. NGW> - Noah Icecast is a server. Icecast installs at /usr/local/etc/icecast/ this install dir is the default directory. under FreeBSD4.7 is located at /usr/local/etc/icecast. Icecast will stream-serve from its default 'staticdir'(ectory) location you specified in /usr/local/etc/icecast/icecast.conf. just dump the mp3's in the 'staticdir' location .... working? let me know! Do you have 'Shout' installed? Shout is a streamer. it streams data (mp3's for example) to the server Icecast. in shout's ini file at /usr/local/etc/icecast/shout.conf there is an entrt 'mount'. mount points to a dir name that *you* create under icecast roots install dir. #mkdir /usr/local/etc/icecast/myMount#1/ #vi shout.conf and change 'mount default' to 'mount myMount#1' and copy your mp3's to myMount#1 1/ start icecast at tty2. load OK? 2/ altF2 and login on tty3 3/ at tty3 do this shoutcast -? ... look for the -d option 4/ #shout -d /path/to/shoutcast.conf 5/ it's streaming ... look at tty3 and see titles and "dot" markers for stream 6/ winAmp http://x.y.z.w:8000/myMount#1 .... working ok ???? 7/ AltF2 and login to tty4 create /usr/local/etc/icecast/myMount#2. Put other mp3's in myMount#2 copy shoutcast.conf to shoutcast2.conf edit shoutcast2.conf and change line 'mount myMount2#1' to 'mount myMount#2' 8/ at tty4 #shout -d /path/to/shoutcast2.conf streaming ok ? 9/ at winamp http:/x.y.z.w:8000/myMount#2

10/ Let me know how it goes .... email rather than list please :-)

-- Best regards, baz mailto:bsimpson at attbi.com

- Noah

This is my command line: #!/bin/bash USER=`whoami` CONFIG="/etc/liveice/$USER.cfg" R="/home/www.scram.fm/mitschnitte/`date +%Y%m%d_%H%M%S`.mp3" udo /usr/bin/screen /opt/liveice/liveice -F $CONFIG -R $R -V "-R" is yet another parameter added by me to control the remote dump file. --- setup.c Fri Feb 18 17:46:56 2000 +++ setup.c Sat Dec 14 23:34:16 2002 @@ -728,6 +728,10 @@ i++; g_conf.mix_control_file=argv[i]; break; + case 'R': + i++; + g_conf.remote_dumpfile=argv[i]; + break; case '@': i++; g_conf.frontend=atoi(argv[i]); Have fun! --jochen --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From sleek at enabled.com Fri Dec 27 12:56:03 2002 From: sleek at enabled.com (Noah Garrett Wallach) Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 04:56:03 -0800 (PST) Subject: [icecast] configuring ices (fwd) Message-ID: <20021226215248.N18689-100000@typhoon.enabled.com> Hi, okay when I configure ices I used the configuration file that appears in the manual. I am seeing that I need to force the password as the password I set in the configuration file is not getting sent - stills says form the debug information that "letmein" is being sent, which is not hte password I have set in the configuration tile. also I am getting the following error after I have the password situation figured out: Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:0/ices, error: Libshout encountered invalid values or NULL pointers. Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:0/ices, error: Libshout encountered invalid values or NULL pointers.

Any ideas please?

- Noah

--- Noah Garrett Wallach wrote: > Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:0/ices, error: > Libshout encountered invalid values or NULL pointers. > Error during send: Mount failed on http://127.0.0.1:0/ices, error: > Libshout encountered invalid values or NULL pointers.

woah do0d . that's a crackp0t theory if i ever heard one ., i'll offer an alternate theory . KiSS - keEp it simple sir ; why should the icecast2 developers be guilt-tripped into repeating icecast's performance ? _ is it not enough that OGG can have a streaming server that supports it ? can't that feature base be developed and stabalized prior to prettyin' up the package w/ features from the original icecast ? another question -- who do you think develops these things ?? go read "Cathedral and the Bazaar" somewhere on the web or in a bo0kstore near you . . don't expect everything , and you won't have to deal w/ sh*t/rushed c0de . allow a project to develop into its own niche , and i do believe strongly that OGG/vorbis does indeed merit the attention . , and if you need MP3 _ weLL , be creative . use icecast2 AND icecast on another port (i think this is possible ) . OR , offer OGG live-streams , and OGG / mp3 (batch converted from .OGG ) for the on-demand programming . . and pLease , PLEASE __ open your mind to a world that is bigger than proprietary technologies , and neEdy/ outmoded user bases . .

a:/, http://theDV8network.com _ : : free radio and fertile resistances , fresh from the Canadian underground . .

--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org Sat Dec 28 19:06:23 2002 From: prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org (Aaron Gaudio) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:06:23 -0500 Subject: [Re: [icecast] icecast2 ??] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021228190623.GA17004@tarnation.dyndns.org> Behold, Adon Irani hath decreed: > > the icecast2 developers be guilt-tripped into repeating icecast's > performance ? > _ is it not enough that OGG can have a streaming server that supports it ? Perhaps, if that is the only requirement to have a fully-functional streamer. Unfortunately, I believe this is not sufficient for the user base. So, if the developers are interested in providing something that other people want to use, then it is not enough. > can't that feature base be developed and stabalized prior to prettyin' up > the package w/ features from the original icecast ? Yes, it certainly can. But don't call the feature base released. Call it a work in progress (an alpha, in other words). > > another question -- who do you think develops these things ?? go read > "Cathedral and the Bazaar" somewhere on the web or in a bo0kstore near you > . . don't expect everything , and you won't have to deal w/ sh*t/rushed > c0de . allow a project to develop into its own niche , and i do believe > strongly that OGG/vorbis does indeed merit the attention . The argument is not that icecast2 needs everything right now. It is only that until icecast2 has all the features meant for release, it should not be considered released. In that case, it is still under development, and the previously released version (icecast1 so far) is the current stable version. Those who are willing to give up the features not yet implemented in icecast2 in order to stream vorbis, can use the devel version. Those who don't need to stream vorbis can continue using the stable version. There is not a good rationality for considering icecast1 replaced and obsolete if icecast2 is still lacking in features and/or not tested enough. > > , and if you need MP3 _ weLL , be creative . use icecast2 AND icecast on > another port (i think this is possible ) . OR , offer OGG live-streams , > and OGG / mp3 (batch converted from .OGG ) for the on-demand programming . But if icecast1 is "obsolete" then why advocate using it at all? > . > > and pLease , PLEASE __ open your mind to a world that is bigger than > proprietary technologies , and neEdy/ outmoded user bases . . Ah, herein lies the problem. If the icecast maintainers believe the mp3 community to be "neEdy/ outmoded user bases", then they are not interested in the user base, only themselves. Fair enough, then put up a disclaimer and stop responding to users. Call it a research project. Let someone else handle maintaining and distributing a package that people actually want to use. -- prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org "Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, /Momento Mori/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Seeing as there's no kind of network status for the directory servers (and, after all, there are 15 successfully registered channels), there's no way of telling what is going on, or that anyone is even looking into the problem. Are they? Should I just delete yp.icecast.org from my config file? And furthermore, if directory server support is non-functional in icecast2.. that's just another reason that it's not ready to replace icecast1. -- prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org "Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, /Momento Mori/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: part Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 593 bytes Desc: not available URL: From daleg at elemental.org Sat Dec 28 19:39:46 2002 From: daleg at elemental.org (Dale Ghent) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 14:39:46 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Re: [icecast] icecast2 ??] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Sat, 28 Dec 2002, Adon Irani wrote: | woah do0d . that's a crackp0t theory if i ever heard one ., | | i'll offer an alternate theory . KiSS - keEp it simple sir ; why should | the icecast2 developers be guilt-tripped into repeating icecast's | performance ? Icecast2 is icecast2. I'm talking about it's lack of innovation (ogg streaming! woopdefuckingdoo) as well as it's lack of functionality that doesnt even near icecast 1.x (yp, acls, metadata, web-based admin). Right now, it's essentially a daemon that takes in a data stream and spits it back out. And does absolutely nothing else. I'm sorry, but past precedents and the state of streaming technology today dictates that it do more than that to be considered useful. | _ is it not enough that OGG can have a streaming server that supports it ? | can't that feature base be developed and stabalized prior to prettyin' up | the package w/ features from the original icecast ? | | another question -- who do you think develops these things ?? go read | "Cathedral and the Bazaar" somewhere on the web or in a bo0kstore near you | . . don't expect everything , and you won't have to deal w/ sh*t/rushed | c0de . allow a project to develop into its own niche , and i do believe | strongly that OGG/vorbis does indeed merit the attention . Tell me, in the past year, where exactly HAS icecast gone? Absolutely no-where. Don't throw this Cathedral and the Bazaar crap around as a cop-out. If this were a serious project, then the maintainer (if there even is someone with that hat on) should look for more enthusiastic people to take icecast2 forward. Because right now, no matter what open-source ideaology you toss around, icecast2 is stagnant, underdevelopped, and underpromoted. | and pLease , PLEASE __ open your mind to a world that is bigger than | proprietary technologies , and neEdy/ outmoded user bases . . Put down the crack pipe, dude. My mind is open. I DO use icecast. I DO NOT want to use shoutcast/live365. As for audio formats, there are abosolutely no reasons for me to move to OGG, becase icecast2 does not allow me to provide the same service and experience to my users as streaming mp3s with icecast 1.x does. I WOULD love nothing more than to move to OGG once the adequate server features are in place, and time allows me to re-encode approx. 5000 tracks of music. But I'm not going to reduce my useablitiy and server functions at my disposal for the sake of OGG itself. As for "needy/outmoded user bases", you definitely have no finger on the pulse of reality in the streaming audio world. Right now, OGG is only an alternative for those who have zero interest in serving streaming music. /dale --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From adon at YorkU.CA Sat Dec 28 20:00:19 2002 From: adon at YorkU.CA (Adon Irani) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 15:00:19 -0500 (EST) Subject: [Re: [icecast] icecast2 ??] In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > > Right now, it's essentially a daemon that takes in a data stream and spits > it back out. And does absolutely nothing else. I'm sorry, but past > precedents and the state of streaming technology today dictates that it do > more than that to be considered useful. nothing else ? i've got it to do l0ts ! and i must say , i've had horrible luck w/ the icecast live-streaming clients . icecast2 has ices2 which has been VERY stable for me . so much so that i am willing to switch . this may not be your experience . . > Tell me, in the past year, where exactly HAS icecast gone? Absolutely > no-where. Don't throw this Cathedral and the Bazaar crap around as a > cop-out. If this were a serious project, then the maintainer (if there > even is someone with that hat on) should look for more enthusiastic people > to take icecast2 forward. Because right now, no matter what open-source > ideaology you toss around, icecast2 is stagnant, underdevelopped, and > underpromoted. my throw-ins weren't meant as a cop-out . , rather , my point is that the developers have lives ; exams ; and other responsibilities . C&B bit suggests that you give what you can , if others are enthusiastic , great . . if not , well, the developers have given what they can . who are you to make demands on their time ? if you feel the c0de po0l is stagnant , go elsewhere _ OR , offer some c0de updates > > Put down the crack pipe, dude. My mind is open. I DO use icecast. I DO NOT > want to use shoutcast/live365. As for audio formats, there are abosolutely > no reasons for me to move to OGG, becase icecast2 does not allow me to > provide the same service and experience to my users as streaming mp3s with > icecast 1.x does. > > I WOULD love nothing more than to move to OGG once the adequate server > features are in place, and time allows me to re-encode approx. 5000 tracks > of music. But I'm not going to reduce my useablitiy and server functions > at my disposal for the sake of OGG itself. fyi ; icecast2 on-demand streaming (fileserve) DOES support mp3 , you can see it in work at http://theDV8network.com . _ i use icecast2 because OGG has better sound quality , and i've had better experience w/ ices2 live-streamer . if you are not live re-encoding than you wouldn't have had to go through the 6 week binge i did , setting up the system . but all this is irrelavant , the point is : : (as it says in the README ) _ icecast2 is stable for the services it provides ; and imho , more stable for live re-encoding .

> As for "needy/outmoded user bases", you definitely have no finger on the > pulse of reality in the streaming audio world. Right now, OGG is only an > alternative for those who have zero interest in serving streaming music. this may have beEn somewhat harsh , but i'll clarify . i don't think that MP3-support represents a 'neEdy/outm0ded' user base, what i do mean is : make the most of what is freely offered , and if you don't feel that icecast2 serves you , then find something else . but don't come back to this listserv and suggest that the project is misplaced or not useful ! ,so by saying 'needy/outm0ded' i was referring to the authors of this recent rash of ice2 flames . a:/, btw : please stop cluttering this listserv (myself included) with rants about what should and shouldn't be . . --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gtgbr at gmx.net Sat Dec 28 20:15:09 2002 From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 21:15:09 +0100 Subject: [Re: [icecast] icecast2 ??] In-Reply-To: <20021228175212.GA16347@tarnation.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <3E0E064C.E054C1AA@gmx.net> Aaron Gaudio wrote: > If icecast.org is so broken, then someone ought to do what was > suggested on the list in November (looking through the archives): > put it out of its misery. Why are there no "official" releases? I already told you, there *are* official releases (or, to be exact, one release), but icecast.org hasn't seen an update due to problems. Don't you think that Michael Smith, for example, would be happy to finally get his hard work on Icecast2 "out there" so people can find it in a more prominent place? These are problems neither you nor I can help with, Xiph.org does that, when they have the time. Believe it or not, there's more important stuff than Icecast2 - and those who want it can get it, they just have to bother themselves a little more than usual. > That may be, but if the only "official" source I have to retrieve it > from is CVS, then it is not ready for prime time, no matter what its > stability may or may not be. First of all, grabbing the latest CVS You're just trolling. Who cares? Would you trust a network engineer with decades of experience, or would he have to buy himself a shiny certificate for $1000? This "official"-blah is pointless, it's the product and the fact that it's released that matter. Do you *demand* that you get something for free, officially? > versions, then I don't know about them... why? because there's no > documentation of what to actually get from CVS. http://www.xiph.org/cvs.html - check out the 'icecast' module. If you're having trouble (CVS checkout hangs), either upgrade your client or don't use the -z parameter (I prefer the latter solution). > for quite a long time, but they never called it released until 1.0 > came out. I never said that it's a final release, I said "alpha release". It's not feature complete. It's not been in beta, yet. It does, what it does, with great reliability and performance. It does enough to be useful for most potential users at this point already. > The problem is, without having enough people running it, such stories > are allegorical. And there cannot be many people running it, judging > from the lack of servers listed in the icecast.org directory server > (unless everyone just suddenly became shy). There's no directory server supporting Icecast2 servers. I also wouldn't ever announce my stream on such a server, but maybe that's just me. (When I stream, then it's just a couple hours for friends that I know personally) > > I suggest you give it a try. Streaming Vorbis is fun. If you happen have > I'm not all that interested in streaming vorbis at this time, because > I have more mp3s than I do oggs. It's simpler for me to stream mp3s. Unless you're owning only low-bitrate MP3s, you'd still get more quality per bitrate with Vorbis (e.g. by re-encoding from 192kbps MP3 to -q 1 Vorbis (~80kbps) or lower). Especially if you're targeting at low bitrates (lower than in my example). > Does icecast2 only stream vorbis? If that's the case, then icecast1 It does both Vorbis and MP3. I don't know about its MP3 streaming features, but stuff like metadata etc all works for Vorbis. > will never be obsolete so long as people want to stream mp3s (without > reencoding to ogg-- which introduces more loss into the stream). From Well, I wouldn't re-encode from, say 24kbps MP3 to 24kbps Vorbis. That makes no sense - but if your MP3s are of sufficient quality, this shouldn't matter much. > my little understanding of what exactly icecast2 does (hobbled together > from searches through the list archives, since there is no useful > webpage information). Icecast2 does nothing but relay. It doesn't re-encode from Vorbis to MP3 or vice versa, that's the source client's job. For example Ices2. > > Uh, does any directory server still work? The Shoutcast people didn't > yp.mp3.de still works, although it does not display as much detail Nice, I wonder if Icecast2 can announce a Vorbis stream there. :) Probably worth a try ... I don't know if Icecast2's directory server support works in the first place, since that's what I always disable (standard values don't work (yet) because of known reasons) first. Hmhm.

Moritz --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org Sun Dec 29 01:02:50 2002 From: prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org (Aaron Gaudio) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:02:50 -0500 Subject: [Re: [icecast] icecast2 ??] In-Reply-To: <3E0E064C.E054C1AA@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20021229010250.GA19400@tarnation.dyndns.org> Behold, gtgbr at gmx.net hath decreed: > Aaron Gaudio wrote: > > If icecast.org is so broken, then someone ought to do what was > > suggested on the list in November (looking through the archives): > > put it out of its misery. Why are there no "official" releases? > > I already told you, there *are* official releases (or, to be exact, one > release), but icecast.org hasn't seen an update due to problems. Don't > you think that Michael Smith, for example, would be happy to finally get > his hard work on Icecast2 "out there" so people can find it in a more > prominent place? These are problems neither you nor I can help with, > Xiph.org does that, when they have the time. Believe it or not, there's > more important stuff than Icecast2 - and those who want it can get it, > they just have to bother themselves a little more than usual. Then those who are interested in making the release(s) available should look to an alternative site than xiph.org. What are the problems with icecast.org? Why is it still operational? Why is there no other site in its place? Is nobody willing to set one up? > > > That may be, but if the only "official" source I have to retrieve it > > from is CVS, then it is not ready for prime time, no matter what its > > stability may or may not be. First of all, grabbing the latest CVS > > You're just trolling. Who cares? Would you trust a network engineer with > decades of experience, or would he have to buy himself a shiny > certificate for $1000? This "official"-blah is pointless, it's the > product and the fact that it's released that matter. Where is it released? Telling me I have to set up cvs to download the source code, lack of any sort of documentation is user-readable format, lack of certain features such as directory server support.. that doesn't seem to spell released to me. Why do I have to subscribe to the icecast user support mailing list to find out how to download and use the only version of icecast that anyone is interested in supporting? Is this simply a lack of enough people to work on these more mundane details? If so, where is the call for help? > > Do you *demand* that you get something for free, officially? I am not demanding anything. I'm simply stating that if the maintainer(s) wishes to provide a product that people are interested in using (including testing & bugfixing), then IMNSHO the current mechanism for producing that product is inadequate. How many months have to go by wasted on discussions between confused users and apathetic developers before someone says "hey, wait, maybe if we put this info up on a webpage somewhere, people will stop asking us about it"? > > I never said that it's a final release, I said "alpha release". It's not > feature complete. It's not been in beta, yet. It does, what it does, > with great reliability and performance. It does enough to be useful for > most potential users at this point already. Then how is it a replacement for icecast1? How is a fully released icecast1 obsoleted by an alpha release? > There's no directory server supporting Icecast2 servers. Fine. Another feature missing from icecast2. > I also wouldn't > ever announce my stream on such a server, but maybe that's just me. > (When I stream, then it's just a couple hours for friends that I know > personally) OK. I'm not advocating what you personally want to do with the product. There are people who do want to list there streams on directory servers, and icecast1 can do it. I presume icecast2 is planning on supporting it. Of course, I don't know, because there's no way for me to find out exactly what icecast2 can do without fishing through mailing list archives, or taking the time to download it via cvs, run it, and futz with it myself. Is that the best way to advertise a feature set (or even a list of TODO features)? > > > my little understanding of what exactly icecast2 does (hobbled together > > from searches through the list archives, since there is no useful > > webpage information). > > Icecast2 does nothing but relay. It doesn't re-encode from Vorbis to MP3 > or vice versa, that's the source client's job. For example Ices2. I understand that, but I am lumping them into one, as an ices user I would have to upgrade to both at the same time, and they are both part of the same project. -- prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org "Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, /Momento Mori/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Something's rotten in the state of Denmark... >YP should work on > Icecast2's side, but my understanding is that the current directory > servers don't support it yet. Or I'm wrong and it works - I really > should try this. Metadata works for a long time now, ACLs are missing > (but you can get around most issues via tcpwrappers), don't know about > web-based admin (either it's there, or will be there soon, plus there's > a lot that can be done by the source client). In addition to that, it > supports chroot() and ch[g,u]id()ing for additional security. And yes, > Vorbis streaming is innovative, you just don't care. I think his point was Vorbis streaming itself is not all that interesting from the perspective of someone with a collection of mp3s who wants to stream music. > > > Tell me, in the past year, where exactly HAS icecast gone? Absolutely > > no-where. Don't throw this Cathedral and the Bazaar crap around as a > > It has gone from something that takes Vorbis and spits it out, while > doing not much else, to something useful. What does it do? Where is the feature description? Do I have to run it to figure out what it is supposed to do? How am I supposed to even know that icecast2 streams vorbis without searching archives for arguments like this thread? -- prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org "Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, /Momento Mori/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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One is released, the other one is not (alpha versions are not releases). > Icecast1 > developement is no more. Icecast 1.3.12 also exists only because of a > serious security issue - without that, this version wouldn't exist. Maybe that's the case. If so, it's a sad state of affairs. If there just aren't volunteers to work on maintaining icecast1 (bugfixes, etc.) then why don't we get a call for help asking for developers who are willing to maintain it-- instead of silence and disdain? If it's simply a lack of volunteers, that's understandable, but then why the apathy toward all things icecast1, since presumably that's still what the majority of icecast users are using. Or are you just saying "fuck the users; if you can't code for us we don't need you; go read the Cathedral and the Bazaar and shut up"? If that's the case, then someone ought to go put that on the webpage and stop beating around the bush. Let the user base know where they stand, and see how many new volunteers you get for the project. -- prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org "Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, /Momento Mori/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: part Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 593 bytes Desc: not available URL: From prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org Sun Dec 29 01:21:47 2002 From: prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org (Aaron Gaudio) Date: Sat, 28 Dec 2002 20:21:47 -0500 Subject: [Re: [icecast] icecast2 ??] In-Reply-To: <3E0E0AD3.F46F79E8@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20021229012147.GD19400@tarnation.dyndns.org> Behold, gtgbr at gmx.net hath decreed: > > Well, I think saying that Xiph.org doesn't care about its users at all > is too harsh. On the other hand, there's some truth in this, and I > highly appreciate it. If you want to stick to MP3, Icecast1 is for you - > nobody forces you to use it (or not), and you're also free to use > something else. Xiph.org, i.e. Jack Moffitt, made it for themselves a > few years ago and people found it useful. Now they're working on > something better. Why complain? If they'd care about every single user > wish, they'd get nothing done. My complaint is not what Jack Moffitt or anyone else chooses to spend their free time working on. My complaint is the complete lack of any kind of notice about icecast2, in light of the continuing (albeit out of date) existence of information on icecast1, including how to download it and install it, from icecast.org. That, coupled with an obvious disdain for icecast1 on this mailing list (which is, after all, the user support mailing list). The only reply that seems to be meeted out is "go get icecast2". Oh yeah? Well icecast2 does not seem to be ready to replace icecast1. So if it is not replacing icecast1, then why so much disdain for icecast1 users on this list? > > If other users tell you that you suck because you use Icecast1, ignore > them. We're talking technology, not religion. If getting free support > for Icecast1 is harder than getting help with Icecast2, it's because > more people on this list are interested in Icecast2. I heard Xiph.org > will gladly refund what you paid for Icecast1 support if you're not > satisfied. It's not Xiph.org's job to advocate their stuff either. If > you like something they made, tell others about it. If you don't, tell > others, too (if you care) ... just stick to facts in any case. So xiph.org is not in any way interested in developing projects that are useful to people? So can I take that to imply that the Ogg projects, the Paranoia projects, etc. are simply academic exercises, and the developers on them aren't interested in knowing whether or not they work for anyone else, or what anyone else might be interested in getting to work? That's good to know. Not the best way to convince me and others to put time and effort into any of those projects, so thanks, you may have saved me some time and effort. -- prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org "Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, /Momento Mori/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'm certainly not going to - I don't have any interest (and never have had) in icecast 1.x. Stop bitching, and do something, or shut up. Mike --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gtgbr at gmx.net Sun Dec 29 03:10:33 2002 From: gtgbr at gmx.net (gtgbr at gmx.net) Date: Sun, 29 Dec 2002 04:10:33 +0100 Subject: [Re: [icecast] icecast2 ??] In-Reply-To: <20021229010250.GA19400@tarnation.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <3E0E67A9.75BFEEA9@gmx.net> Aaron Gaudio wrote: > Where is it released? Telling me I have to set up cvs to download http://www.xiph.org/~msmith/ This has been said before. > > I never said that it's a final release, I said "alpha release". It's not > Then how is it a replacement for icecast1? How is a fully released > icecast1 obsoleted by an alpha release? Who said Icecast2 is a replacement? -2 can do most things -1 can do, so maybe -2's different features are better for you? Use -2 then. It isn't? Use -1. Or Shoutcast. Or Realmedia's Helix. Or whatever else there is. > > There's no directory server supporting Icecast2 servers. > Fine. Another feature missing from icecast2. Icecast2 is not a directory server. > directory servers, and icecast1 can do it. I presume icecast2 is > planning on supporting it. Of course, I don't know, because there's > no way for me to find out exactly what icecast2 can do without > fishing through mailing list archives, or taking the time to See above, it's in your inbox. The first reply you got by Geoff contained that URL. I hope that files in the public_html directory of the Icecast2 main developer are official enough. > download it via cvs, run it, and futz with it myself. Is that the Yes. You have to install Icecast2 by yourself. If that's too difficult for you and you need Icecast2, pay someone to do it for you. Me pasting the URL above was free.

-----Original Message----- From: Geoff Shang To: ''icecast at xiph.org' ' Sent: 12/26/02 6:58 AM Subject: RE: [icecast] Ices won't read config file? On Wed, 25 Dec 2002, Campbell, David wrote: > I'm on redhat and libxml2 is installed: > > [root at deskpro davidcam]# rpm -Uvh libxml2-2.4.23-1.i386.rpm > warning: libxml2-2.4.23-1.i386.rpm: V3 DSA signature: NOKEY, key ID db42a60e > Preparing... ########################################### > [100%] > package libxml2-2.4.23-1 is already installed Do you also have the devel package? Geoff.

********************************************************************** Please visit the official Granada website at www.granadamedia.com for the latest company news. This email and any files transmitted are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to which they are addressed. If you have received this email in error, please notify postmaster at granadamedia.com Thank you. ********************************************************************** --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From rene.oelke at zehn245.net Mon Dec 30 11:55:33 2002 From: rene.oelke at zehn245.net (Ren� Oelke) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 12:55:33 +0100 Subject: [icecast] darkice client for windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <626982900.20021230125533@zehn245.net> hi list, i am looking for a solution like darkice. but for win and not for linux. i want to perform some live-dj sets in an internet radio. the technology of the radio is based on peercast (p2p). the peercast server that gets the stream runs under linux. the dj works with external hardware and sends the audio data in a soundcard line input runnung under windows. the darkice-like program should get audio data from this input, encode it in an oggstream and send it via the icecast protocol to the peercast server. it would be nice if it there possible to send some other information like songtitle and so on live to the server. thanx for helping me rene \ / <\::----------------------------::/> <\\:: Mediengestaltung :://> <\\\:: Ren? Oelke ::///> / \ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From darkeye at tyrell.hu Mon Dec 30 12:10:46 2002 From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:10:46 +0100 Subject: [icecast] darkice client for windows In-Reply-To: <626982900.20021230125533@zehn245.net> Message-ID: <3E1037C6.6080800@tyrell.hu> Ren? Oelke wrote: > i am looking for a solution like darkice. but for win and not for > linux. i want to perform some live-dj sets in an internet radio. the well, you can always port darkice to windows :) --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From rene.oelke at zehn245.net Mon Dec 30 12:37:37 2002 From: rene.oelke at zehn245.net (Ren� Oelke) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 13:37:37 +0100 Subject: [icecast] darkice client for windows In-Reply-To: <3E1037C6.6080800@tyrell.hu> Message-ID: <1839507801.20021230133737@zehn245.net> >> i am looking for a solution like darkice. but for win and not for >> linux. i want to perform some live-dj sets in an internet radio. the > well, you can always port darkice to windows :) thx, but i am not a windowssystem programmer. so my only chance is to wait for such a tool. \ / <\::----------------------------::/> <\\:: Mediengestaltung :://> <\\\:: Ren? Oelke ::///> / \ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gshang at uq.net.au Mon Dec 30 15:17:53 2002 From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 01:17:53 +1000 (EST) Subject: [icecast] darkice client for windows In-Reply-To: <626982900.20021230125533@zehn245.net> Message-ID: Hi: Would the oddcast DSP plugin for winamp do the job for you? I'm not much of a windows user anymore so I can't vouch for it, but it should do what you want. The song changes thing could be a problem, especially if you'r eusing mp3. Geoff.

--- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org Mon Dec 30 15:42:25 2002 From: prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org (Aaron Gaudio) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:42:25 -0500 Subject: [Re: [icecast] icecast2 ??] In-Reply-To: <3E0E67AF.FA82B25F@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20021230154225.GB18485@tarnation.dyndns.org> Behold, gtgbr at gmx.net hath decreed: > > > I think his point was Vorbis streaming itself is not all that > > interesting from the perspective of someone with a collection of > > mp3s who wants to stream music. > > I also answered that before - Vorbis offers significant quality > improvements at low bitrates, even if the source is MP3. Apart from > that, compare streaming royalties of Vorbis with those on > http://www.mp3licensing.com/royalty/emd.html (in case you're a > professional). But technically, how much different is it to stream a vorbis stream than an mp3 stream? I don't know. From a political and/or economic viewpoint, or even a technical viewpoint, a vorbis stream may be more desireable than an mp3 stream. But the technology is still compressed audio streaming, and that's not much of a revolution. It is applying existing streaming methodology to a new format: vorbis. That is great, but is it worth giving up the other features that icecast1 supports today? That's a judgement call I suppose. > > > What does it do? Where is the feature description? Do I have to run > > it to figure out what it is supposed to do? How am I supposed to even > > know that icecast2 streams vorbis without searching archives for > > arguments like this thread? > > You know, trying out Icecast2 would've revealed more details than this > whole thread and any abstract feature list on a web site. It'd have been > faster than this discussion, too. It would have for me, yes. But how many man-hours must be spent when each prospective user wants to find out what icecast2 is supposed to do... hours that could be saved all around by updating some web page to talk about the project a little. icecast.org is not a dead server. It is still responding. Somebody must own the box. Somebody must have access to it, to either update it, or to take it offline entirely. -- prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org "Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, /Momento Mori/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Besides, anyone can start his or her own > project, based on Icecast1. If you're unhappy, do something > constructive. Being rude those who brought Icecast to you in the first > place won't get you anywhere. > I don't think I'm being very rude. I think others are being unnecesarily rude to those still using icecast1 and who would like a little info on things like directory server status. I think people do care about icecast1. People do care about icecast.org. Branching off from the main project is always an option, yes, but why have to revert to it if other alternatives are available? At the least, I'll be willing to write a news update for icecast.org if someone wants to tell me how to get it up there. Not having followed the icecast2 development, I can't really talk about what stage it's in, but if some developers want to clue me in, I can write a blurb about that too. -- prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org "Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, /Momento Mori/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: part Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 593 bytes Desc: not available URL: From prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org Mon Dec 30 15:49:21 2002 From: prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org (Aaron Gaudio) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:49:21 -0500 Subject: [Re: [icecast] icecast2 ??] In-Reply-To: <200212291253.42004.msmith@xiph.org> Message-ID: <20021230154921.GD18485@tarnation.dyndns.org> Behold, Michael Smith hath decreed: > > > It's icecast. It's part of xiph. It's the same project. Presumably it's > > the same developers. I don't care about the similarity of the code > > bases. One is released, the other one is not (alpha versions are not > > releases). > > No. Whilst it originally shared one developer, the current version does NOT > share any developers with icecast 1.x. Since nobody seems even slightly > interested in continuing development of 1.x (bitching about it is not the > same...), it's not going to change. > > If _you_ want to pick up maintaining it - or if you want to go to the effort > of finding maintainers for it, feel free. I'm certainly not going to - I > don't have any interest (and never have had) in icecast 1.x. > > Stop bitching, and do something, or shut up. Give me access to icecast.org and I will. Otherwise, are you asking me (or others) to go ahead and hijack the project, or to take all of the code and call it something else? Aside from a few minor problems (an occassional crash in ices and icecast not cleaning up properly during shutdown from an suid'd run), I don't really have many problems with icecast1. The directory servers don't appear to be working very well, but it's not a problem with the client, apparently. I'll be happy to update the web page, however, and I'll even include icecast2 status if some developers want to give me a high-level progress report. If no one is willing to offer me or anyone else this access, then replies like yours are just trolls. -- prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org "Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, /Momento Mori/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: part Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 593 bytes Desc: not available URL: From msmith at xiph.org Mon Dec 30 15:58:10 2002 From: msmith at xiph.org (Michael Smith) Date: Tue, 31 Dec 2002 02:58:10 +1100 Subject: [Re: [icecast] icecast2 ??] In-Reply-To: <20021230154921.GD18485@tarnation.dyndns.org> Message-ID: <200212310258.10935.msmith@xiph.org> > Give me access to icecast.org and I will. Otherwise, are you asking me > (or others) to go ahead and hijack the project, or to take all of the code > and call it something else? Aside from a few minor problems (an occassional > crash in ices and icecast not cleaning up properly during shutdown from an > suid'd run), I don't really have many problems with icecast1. The directory > servers don't appear to be working very well, but it's not a problem with > the client, apparently. I'll be happy to update the web page, however, and > I'll even include icecast2 status if some developers want to give me a > high-level progress report. If no one is willing to offer me or anyone else > this access, then replies like yours are just trolls. If we _had_ this access, we could. As has been explained repeatedly, we don't. Yes, we can take a slash-and-burn approach and just remove all the content on the website (which is the plan once the new website is ready), but we can't update it. What is _neccesary_ if icecast 1.x is going to continue is a maintainer, not just someone who can write a couple of paragraphs on a website. If you want to do that - take over maintaining icecast 1.x, we can organise website access once the new website is up so that you can add appropriate sections on the old version. Mike --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org Mon Dec 30 15:59:31 2002 From: prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org (Aaron Gaudio) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 10:59:31 -0500 Subject: [Re: [icecast] icecast2 ??] In-Reply-To: <3E0E67B5.7FDC00E9@gmx.net> Message-ID: <20021230155931.GE18485@tarnation.dyndns.org> Behold, gtgbr at gmx.net hath decreed: > > http://www.xiph.org/about.html Note also the paragraph at http://www.xiph.org/ : "Xiph.Org Foundation is a non-profit corporation dedicated to protecting the foundations of Internet multimedia from control by private interests. Our purpose is to support and develop free, open protocols and software to serve the public, developer and business markets." Well, wrt the icecast project (version 1,2 or N), if Xiph.Org is truly interested in supporting and development of "free, open protocols and software to serve the public, developer and business markets", then they better clean up the icecast.org webpage to have some recent info, stop calling icecast1 obsolete when icecast2 is not yet released (not counting alpha releases)- even if no one is actively working on it- and stop taking an extremely condescending view upon all those who dare offer up criticism. *If*, however, those in charge of the icecast project aren't really interested in those things, then perhaps they should either (a) not be a part of Xiph.Org or (b) get Xiph.Org to change their mission statement. I doubt that's the case, my guess is there is just a few developers who want to work on icecast2, and don't want to be bothered with other details, which is why projects like this have maintainers who aren't necessarily the core developers, but rather oversee the project from all angles including development, bug-tracking, web-presence, media, etc. Is this what is missing? Will somebody admit to it? -- prothonotar at tarnation.dyndns.org "Every man is a mob, a chain gang of idiots." - Jonathan Nolan, /Momento Mori/ -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I'll be happy to update the web page, however, and | I'll even include icecast2 status if some developers want to give me a | high-level progress report. If no one is willing to offer me or anyone else | this access, then replies like yours are just trolls. Vitriol aside, I'm with Aaron on this, and would be happy to lend my time and resources to further the project on a few fronts (web site/support/code), for both icecast 1.x and 2.x. As for the website: Jack Moffit is still the tech/admin contact for the icecast.org domain. Is Jack still associated with the xiph.org project? icecast.org DNS is being served by xiph.org name servers, could the IPs be repointed to a new server for the site? /dale --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From inzanekaoz at yahoo.com Mon Dec 30 16:12:59 2002 From: inzanekaoz at yahoo.com (HJ) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 08:12:59 -0800 (PST) Subject: [icecast] darkice client for windows In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20021230161259.26912.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> In theory (insofaras my own little world exists) it should be as simple as changing the audio i/o methods, but interfacing with WinAmp will take someone with experience; all code on xiph.org isn't all /that/ hard to port, and Windows pretends to be POSIX-compliant, so it should almost actually work. The question after that is how willing people are to deal with a command-line utility. "OMGWTF NO BUTTONS?!?!!" ~HJ

--- Geoff Shang wrote: > Hi: > > One other thought. ices2 would serve your purpose if it ran under > win32, > but I don't know if there's any plans to port it. > > Geoff. >

__________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From emmettfish at mac.com Mon Dec 30 16:18:02 2002 From: emmettfish at mac.com (Emmett Plant) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 11:18:02 -0500 Subject: [Re: [icecast] icecast2 ??] In-Reply-To: <20021230155931.GE18485@tarnation.dyndns.org> Message-ID: On 12/30/02 10:59 AM, "Aaron Gaudio" wrote: > Behold, gtgbr at gmx.net hath decreed: >> >> http://www.xiph.org/about.html > > Note also the paragraph at http://www.xiph.org/ : > > "Xiph.Org Foundation is a non-profit corporation dedicated to protecting the > foundations of Internet multimedia from control by private interests. Our > purpose is to support and develop free, open protocols and software to serve > the public, developer and business markets." > > Well, wrt the icecast project (version 1,2 or N), if Xiph.Org is truly > interested in supporting and development of "free, open protocols and software > to serve the public, developer and business markets", then they better > clean up the icecast.org webpage to have some recent info, stop calling > icecast1 obsolete when icecast2 is not yet released (not counting alpha > releases)- even if no one is actively working on it- and stop taking an > extremely condescending view upon all those who dare offer up criticism. We are truly interested in doing those things. We are working on it. The website issues *will* be resolved soon. I would think that we'd have at least a little leeway in this. If this issue is really worth getting this worked up about, I will happily refund your license fees. > *If*, however, those in charge of the icecast project aren't really interested > in those things, then perhaps they should either (a) not be a part of Xiph.Org > or (b) get Xiph.Org to change their mission statement. I doubt that's the > case, > my guess is there is just a few developers who want to work on icecast2, and > don't want to be bothered with other details, which is why projects like this > have maintainers who aren't necessarily the core developers, but rather > oversee the project from all angles including development, bug-tracking, > web-presence, media, etc. Is this what is missing? Will somebody admit to it? It would be really nice if you could try a little bit of civility here. Our sysadmin works as a volunteer. Our webmaster works as a volunteer. The Icecast maintainer, surprise, a volunteer. The system that you're arguing about is entirely volunteer-driven, okay? You want an admission? Here goes. Yes, the website is completely horrible and needs to be updated. Yes, we could use more people to help out. Yes, if you step forward to help out we'll make every effort imaginable to make it easy for you to do so. Yes, things have gone ignored for far too long. But yes, we're interested in fixing it. Can we put down the pig vat of vitriol and discuss this as human beings, instead of in a screaming bitchfight? Thanks. Let me know what you need me to do. Emmett Plant CEO, Xiph.org Foundation --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From darkeye at tyrell.hu Mon Dec 30 16:26:48 2002 From: darkeye at tyrell.hu (Akos Maroy) Date: Mon, 30 Dec 2002 17:26:48 +0100 Subject: [icecast] darkice client for windows In-Reply-To: <20021230161259.26912.qmail@web13802.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <3E1073C8.1000807@tyrell.hu> HJ wrote: > In theory (insofaras my own little world exists) it should be as > simple as changing the audio i/o methods, but interfacing with ame issue with darkice: in theory one only has to write the code dealing with the sound card...

oddsock *********** REPLY SEPARATOR *********** On 12/30/2002 at 12:55 PM Ren? Oelke wrote: >hi list, > >i am looking for a solution like darkice. but for win and not for >linux. i want to perform some live-dj sets in an internet radio. the >technology of the radio is based on peercast (p2p). the peercast >server that gets the stream runs under linux. the dj works with >external hardware and sends the audio data in a soundcard line input >runnung under windows. the darkice-like program should get audio data >from this input, encode it in an oggstream and send it via the >icecast protocol to the peercast server. it would be nice if it there >possible to send some other information like songtitle and so on >live to the server. > >thanx for helping me >rene > >\ / ><\::----------------------------::/> ><\\:: Mediengestaltung :://> ><\\\:: Ren? Oelke ::///> > > > >/ \ > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.