From harvey at buskers.org Sun Apr 1 01:12:33 2001 From: harvey at buskers.org (harvey smith) Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2001 20:12:33 -0500 (EST) Subject: [icecast] Keeping icecast from kicking clients In-Reply-To: Message-ID: I have not been able to do this with the Default stream. My expirience was that if the default stream dies clients listening to it get kicked no matter what the settings. I have worked around this by using the modify command to set another stream as delault before shutting the old default stream down and this would then move those clients to the new default stream. In you situation though it sound like you will like to have the clients actually listening to nothing and not be moved to another stream. the only thing I can think that you might want to try would be setting the client_timeout to something very high like: client_timeout 86400 note: kick_clients shouldn't apply because client_timeout > 0 mount_fallback I think only applies when the client is first connecting, but doesn't effect already connected clients. I haven't tried this very large client_timeout idea myself so I'm not promising it will work. just something to try Harvey On Sat, 31 Mar 2001, Sean /The RIMBoy/ wrote: > I'm trying to setup Icecast so that clients can stay connected > indefinately. Basically sources will connect on occasion, but may > disconnect until they get instructions to connect again (think about a > jukebox that does not play music until something is selected. Now add in > distrubuted, thin clients and you realize why this is an important > feature). > > According to the icecast authors, it is possible to do this. However, I > have yet to make it or see it work. Clients are immediately kicked by > Icecast (1.3.10) and get a 404 not found. I saw this same response in > 1.3.7. > > Anyway, here are the iterations of icecast.conf files that I've > tried: > > Attempt 1 > > location Uranus > rp_email you at your.com > server_url www.your.com > hostname 192.168.1.147 > port 8000 > port 8001 > server_name 192.168.1.147 > acl_policy 0 > deny all * > allow all 192.168.1.* > max_clients 10 > max_clients_per_source 10 > max_sources 5 > max_admins 5 > throttle 10 > console_mode 0 > reverse_lookups 0 > > Attempt 2 > > location Uranus > rp_email you at your.com > server_url www.your.com > hostname 192.168.1.147 > port 8000 > port 8001 > server_name 192.168.1.147 > client_timeout -1 > acl_policy 0 > deny all * > allow all 192.168.1.* > max_clients 10 > max_clients_per_source 10 > max_sources 5 > max_admins 5 > throttle 10 > console_mode 0 > reverse_lookups 0 > > Attempt 3 > > location Uranus > rp_email you at your.com > server_url www.your.com > hostname 192.168.1.147 > port 8000 > port 8001 > server_name 192.168.1.147 > client_timeout -1 > kick_clients 0 > mount_fallback 1 > acl_policy 0 > deny all * > allow all 192.168.1.* > max_clients 10 > max_clients_per_source 10 > max_sources 5 > max_admins 5 > throttle 10 > console_mode 0 > reverse_lookups 0 > > Sean... > > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From sean at rimboy.com Sun Apr 1 20:57:12 2001 From: sean at rimboy.com (Sean /The RIMBoy/) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 15:57:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [icecast] User Agent string Message-ID: I'll admit I've not poked around the icecast source, but seeing as I came across this issue on another server (and subsequently on clients): How many servers depend on the User Agent field sent by a client? In looking thru the Streamripper source and the Litestream source, It appears that many servers depend on that field. I realize a lot of this has to do with the fact that it then determines what type of stream the client gets (with or without metadata, etc). However, as the problem I ran into last night, the server did not know about the client and therefore would not send back the right info (in this case it would not stream. I corrected the issue in the server). The question is, do most of the servers have to know that field for each potential client? If so, this sounds like a waste of code. What (IMO) would make sense is to do something like this (and this would require support from the various clients): User Agent: stream-mp3/xmms/v1.02 User Agent: stream-mp3/mpg123/0.59r Likewise, User Agent: stream-ogg/mpg123/0.59r That way, a basic server could be just that... it knows what the client wants based on the UA header. However, if the server wants to take advantages of additional features the client supports, it knows the client and then can do so. I realize some of this is covered in the Accept field. However, I've seen several clients sending only */*. Any thoughts or suggestions? I'm throwing this one out fwiw. Sincerely, Sean... -- A flute with no holes is not a flute. A donut with no hole is a danish. --Chevy Chase, Caddyshack _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ www.rimboy.com <-- Your source for the crap you know you need. www.rimboy.com/rimdistro/rimiradio <-- Icecast server on a floppy! (i486+) --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From rich at indiepopradio.com Sun Apr 1 23:05:23 2001 From: rich at indiepopradio.com (Rich Burroughs) Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 16:05:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] someone wake me up... In-Reply-To: <200103301838.LAA11778@home.knm.org> Message-ID: On Fri, 30 Mar 2001, Mark Lehrer wrote: > Three, isn't there already a way to view metadata, through some kind > of out-of-band connection? Freeamp always shows the title when it > connects to the stream source (though this doesn't work if you're > using an alias). Yeah, that's the method that uses UDP to send the data. It will work depending on what source program you use (it works with IceS, IIRR). In my time playing with Icecast the biggest issue for me was finding a source program that was stable and suppotred the features I was looking for. You may want to try several and see what you like the best. Rich --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From noldenburg at ctberlin.de Mon Apr 2 07:52:06 2001 From: noldenburg at ctberlin.de (Nils Christian Oldenburg) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 09:52:06 +0200 Subject: [icecast] [shout/icecast] problem streaming Message-ID: hello folks, i had a problem with streaming on icecast. Version 1.3.10 / shout 0.8.0 the server startet successful , and shout is eatblish an stream on localhost port 8001. if an client read the stream via winamp on a windows machine in the lan , then is there in the first 10 sec anything ok, but after this time is the permanently drops for one sec the mp3 files are in diferent bitrates , most of them in 192 kbs, some in 128 kbs. [shout.conf] server_name localhost port 8001 password some_password mount default name RadioCity desc RadioCity_-_The_Sound_of_CT genre Misc url http://radiocity.ctberlin.de public yes hort_titles yes title_streaming yes id3 no autocorrect yes playlist radiocity.pls loop yes shuffle yes autodetect yes default_bitrate 128000 force no daemon yes verbose yes [icecast.conf] location RadioCity CT Berlin rp_email webmaster at ctberlin.de erver_url http://radiocity.ctberlin.de/ max_clients 300 max_clients_per_source 300 max_sources 20 max_admins 5 throttle 35.0 use_meta_data 1 streamurllock 1 streamtitletemplate %s streamurl http://radiocity.ctberlin.de nametemplate %s desctemplate %s mount_fallback 1 encoder_password some_password admin_password some_other_password oper_password some_other_password #icydir yp.shoutcast.com #icydir yp.breakfree.com #icydir yp.musicseek.net #icydir yp.van-pelt.com #icydir yp.radiostation.de #directory yp.icecast.org #directory yp.mp3.de #touch_freq 5 hostname 172.16.128.5 port 8000 port 8001 erver_name radiocity.ctberlin.de force_servername 0 logfile icecast.log accessfile ice_access.log usagefile ice_usage.log logfiledebuglevel 0 consoledebuglevel 0 reverse_lookups 0 console_mode 3 client_timeout 30 kick_clients 1 #staticdir c:\windows\desktop staticdir /music templatedir /usr/local/stream/icecast/templates logdir /usr/local/stream/icecast/log tats_log stats.log statshtml_log stats.html stats_time 60 kick_relays 10 transparent_proxy 0 #acl_policy 0 #deny all * #allow all *.ryd.student.liu.se allow all * [end of icecast.conf] the system is a non-public server in an intranet. Is there something to configure to play a stream with different bitrates? or need i reconfigure all files that they are in only one bitrate? need help , please ..... yours Nils Oldenburg , germany --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Tue Apr 3 03:14:04 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:14:04 +1000 Subject: [icecast] newbie questions Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010403131404.033503d0@mailhost.capmon.com> ok totally new here so please forgive me i've got icecast up and running on an old 486 running on debian 2.2r2 I'm using shout to feed a playlist i can connect and listen over the local network no problem, but remote users are having no luck its running at 128kbs to me locally.. (which is too fast for remote users) do i need to re-encode the mp3's to a lower bitrate? if so whats good? thanks for putting up with inane questions John --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From mark at knm.org Tue Apr 3 03:39:51 2001 From: mark at knm.org (Mark Lehrer) Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 21:39:51 -0600 Subject: [icecast] newbie questions In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010403131404.033503d0@mailhost.capmon.com> Message-ID: <200104030339.VAA18762@home.knm.org> Ack, you probably don't want to be using shout... I use ices and it is a lot more reliable). You might want to give more detail than "having no luck". Can they establish a connection at all? Or do they go for awhile and then lose the stream? Mark i've got icecast up and running on an old 486 running on debian 2.2r2 I'm using shout to feed a playlist i can connect and listen over the local network no problem, but remote users are having no luck --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Tue Apr 3 03:44:43 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 13:44:43 +1000 Subject: [icecast] newbie questions In-Reply-To: <200104030339.VAA18762@home.knm.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010403134443.048d9ad0@mailhost.capmon.com>
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Looking in the logfile, I see the following:- [03/Apr/2001:15:30:49] [1:Calendar Thread] directory_touch_xa([yp.icecast.org:80]) completed...server id = 69 which seems to suggest that all is well. But it ain't, 'cos we're not listed! Anyone had something similar?? I also get a server id of -1 from yp.shoutcast.com, which I assume is their polite way of saying 'please take your business elsewhere' :-) Other info: I'm using streamcast (irdp kept on hanging up on me - 96% CPU usage, no stream coming out) and I've turned metadata off 'cos it makes the stream stutter and warble. Oh, and if anyone wants a listen, the stream's at http://www.filmsat59.com:8000 Cheers, Mike. mjp at filmsat59.com http://www.filmsat59.com Films at 59 Ltd, 59 Cotham Hill, Bristol. BS6 6JR ENGLAND +44 117 906 4300 --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From vancleef at microunity.com Tue Apr 3 17:06:49 2001 From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:06:49 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] Where is Shout? Message-ID: On the getting started page: http://www.icecast.org/getstarted.html it talks about "make icecast, make liveice and make shout", but that does not seem to match the Makefile or the sources. Where is "shout" hiding? Bob --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From vancleef at microunity.com Tue Apr 3 17:08:01 2001 From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 10:08:01 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] two mail lists? Message-ID: Are there two separate mail lists? This one and a defunt one listed on page http://www.icecast.org/about.html ? Bob --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From dave at jetcafe.org Tue Apr 3 21:56:03 2001 From: dave at jetcafe.org (Dave Hayes) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 14:56:03 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Too many "too many errors" Message-ID: <200104032156.OAA27176@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> $ egrep "Too many errors" icecast.log | wc -l 975 $ egrep "client not receiving data fast enough" icecast.log 975 $ egrep "Accepted" icecast.log.0 | wc -l 4076 Hmm. I tried a windows laptop box (kinda slow) and indeed after about 30-40 minutes playback starts stuttering and eventually disconnects from the icecast server. Nothing else is running on this box. What gives? Why am I losing about 25% of the connections to this error? ------ Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave at jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< Excuses are the tools with which those with no purpose in view build for themselves great monuments of nothing. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Tue Apr 3 23:04:51 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:04:51 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Too many "too many errors" In-Reply-To: <200104032156.OAA27176@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> Message-ID: <20010403160451.F12852@tk421.icecast.org> > Hmm. I tried a windows laptop box (kinda slow) and indeed after about > 30-40 minutes playback starts stuttering and eventually disconnects > from the icecast server. > > Nothing else is running on this box. What gives? Why am I losing about > 25% of the connections to this error? Are you using shout? jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Tue Apr 3 23:05:59 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:05:59 -0700 Subject: [icecast] moving the server Message-ID: <20010403160559.G12852@tk421.icecast.org> This evening and some of tomorrow (hopefully not longer than that) the mail server will be down as it's moving physical locations. It should be minor. This won't affect web services. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From dave at jetcafe.org Tue Apr 3 22:10:14 2001 From: dave at jetcafe.org (Dave Hayes) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 15:10:14 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Too many "too many errors" In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Too many "too many errors"> Message-ID: <200104032210.PAA27436@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> Jack Moffitt writes: > Are you using shout? No, using winamp with the shoutcast plugin to get audio from an analog stream. ------ Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave at jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< "You have rights antecedent to all earthly governments; rights that cannot be repealed or restrained by human laws; rights derived from the Great Legislator of the Universe." -John Adams, Second President of the United States --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Tue Apr 3 23:15:32 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:15:32 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Too many "too many errors" In-Reply-To: <20010403160451.F12852@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <20010403161532.H12852@tk421.icecast.org> > > Hmm. I tried a windows laptop box (kinda slow) and indeed after about > > 30-40 minutes playback starts stuttering and eventually disconnects > > from the icecast server. > > > > Nothing else is running on this box. What gives? Why am I losing about > > 25% of the connections to this error? > > Are you using shout? Let me clarify here with the answer I've given everyone for almost a year now. This error is almost never a bug. It generally means exactly what it says. Your client can't receive data fast enough. It sometimes means the opposite, your client can't handle data this fast. Player have limited buffers. When they get full, they can't store more data. They stop requesting it. Icecast notices they it can't send anymore data, and drops the connection after a period of time. The normal cause is a slow client won't be getting data fast enough. Icecast does the same thing. Now normally you'd think this is the fault of bandwidth. That has something to do with it. In icecast the datarate of the stream is controlled by the source client. If it sends data too slow, clients won't get enough data, and things will sound weird. If it sends data too fast, it will fill up the buffer and missing audio will result. So the two causes are "not enough bandwidth" or "source client has bad timing". Shout has bad timing. That's why I completely rewrote the streaming core in libshout and made the timing pretty damn solid. Ices shouldn't exhibit these problems. Other source clients based on libshout shouldn't exhibit these problems. Liveice doesn't have this problem either, unless your having trouble with encoding too slow. Shoutcast DSP never has this problem for the same reason as liveice. it encodes everything on the fly in realtime, and so there's no need for timing at all. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Tue Apr 3 23:16:32 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 16:16:32 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Too many "too many errors" In-Reply-To: <200104032210.PAA27436@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> Message-ID: <20010403161632.I12852@tk421.icecast.org> > Jack Moffitt writes: > > Are you using shout? > > No, using winamp with the shoutcast plugin to get audio from an analog > stream. So I assume that you're computer is fast enough to do this without problems? Is it a dedicated machine? Does the source ever lose its connection, or just the clients? jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Tue Apr 3 22:39:55 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 08:39:55 +1000 Subject: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <20010403161532.H12852@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010404083955.03be94a0@mailhost.capmon.com> Ok here's what I'm hoping to do and I understand if i'm asking too much. I just want to stream a set of mp3 files so that folks on modems can hear them using winamp or (in a perfect world) RealPlayer. i've set up an old 486 running debian 2.2r2 using the debian icecast packages (shout doing the streaming). o far so good, with a bit of fiddling i had a stream that worked fine over the local network remote users are unable to connect. I understand that a better streamer might help. will such a streamer run on such an old machine? are there any binaries for such a newer streamer? would re-encoding my mp3's to a lower bitrate help? whats a good bitrate for modem users? orry about the low quality of my understanding. John --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Wed Apr 4 00:19:59 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:19:59 -0700 Subject: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010404083955.03be94a0@mailhost.capmon.com> Message-ID: <20010403171959.J12852@tk421.icecast.org> > I just want to stream a set of mp3 files so that folks on modems can hear them using winamp or (in a perfect world) RealPlayer. > > i've set up an old 486 running debian 2.2r2 using the debian icecast packages (shout doing the streaming). > > so far so good, with a bit of fiddling i had a stream that worked fine over the local network > > remote users are unable to connect. What do you mean? 'Remote users are unable to connect" is a little to vague for us to help you. Do they not get anything, do they get something, but it's awful? jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Tue Apr 3 23:26:21 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:26:21 +1000 Subject: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <20010403171959.J12852@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010404092621.0388b990@mailhost.capmon.com> some get no connection some get "unable to sync mpeg" At 05:19 PM 4/3/2001 -0700, Jack Moffitt wrote: >> I just want to stream a set of mp3 files so that folks on modems can hear them using winamp or (in a perfect world) RealPlayer. >> >> i've set up an old 486 running debian 2.2r2 using the debian icecast packages (shout doing the streaming). >> >> so far so good, with a bit of fiddling i had a stream that worked fine over the local network >> >> remote users are unable to connect. > >What do you mean? > >'Remote users are unable to connect" is a little to vague for us to help >you. > >Do they not get anything, do they get something, but it's awful? > >jack. > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. 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Republication or re-dissemination, including posting to news groups or web pages, is strictly prohibited without the express prior consent of Capital Monitor Pty Ltd. ____________________________________________________________ John Griffiths Tel 02 6273 4899 Capital Monitor Pty Ltd Fax 02 6273 4905 Press Gallery Mobile: 0412 690 643 Parliament House e-mail: john at capmon.com Canberra ACT 2600 http://www.capmon.com Australia ICQ No: 7933859 --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Tue Apr 3 23:36:17 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:36:17 +1000 Subject: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <20010403171959.J12852@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010404093617.03883780@mailhost.capmon.com> I should say that over the local network its running fine (ran for 6 hours on a loop without a hitch), and the end users having trouble are on low bandwidth connections At 05:19 PM 4/3/2001 -0700, Jack Moffitt wrote: >> I just want to stream a set of mp3 files so that folks on modems can hear them using winamp or (in a perfect world) RealPlayer. >> >> i've set up an old 486 running debian 2.2r2 using the debian icecast packages (shout doing the streaming). >> >> so far so good, with a bit of fiddling i had a stream that worked fine over the local network >> >> remote users are unable to connect. > >What do you mean? > >'Remote users are unable to connect" is a little to vague for us to help >you. > >Do they not get anything, do they get something, but it's awful? > >jack. > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From sean at rimboy.com Tue Apr 3 22:49:58 2001 From: sean at rimboy.com (Sean /The RIMBoy/) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 17:49:58 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010404083955.03be94a0@mailhost.capmon.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, John Griffiths wrote: > i've set up an old 486 running debian 2.2r2 using the debian icecast packages (shout doing the streaming). As my sig points out, yes, it is possible. RiR is linux and icecast stripped to the bare necessities. > so far so good, with a bit of fiddling i had a stream that worked fine over the local network As I too have seen in practice :/ (I've not yet taken my project to the next level, which is actual deployment for clients on the internet. So far it has only been internal testing. ) > remote users are unable to connect. I guess if we knew what your topology was (what kind of local lan, what kind of upstream, etc) > I understand that a better streamer might help. will such a streamer run on such an old machine? See above. Yes. However, be aware there are limitations (such as bandwidth available from the HW). > are there any binaries for such a newer streamer? What version is debian at with their packages? FWIW, RiR is at 1.3.10. > would re-encoding my mp3's to a lower bitrate help? whats a good bitrate for modem users? That's the bigger question, what bit rate are you sending out? Are you downsampling / forcing a smaller bit rate on your mp3's? Note, if you decided to use RiR (for whatever reason), most of those features are not config'd. You'll need to go into ~/tree/etc/icecast.conf and add in the additional values. Icecast.ref in ~ from the blownout tarball is the std icecast.conf file that ships with icecast. Pick and choose what you need out of there. Sean... -- A flute with no holes is not a flute. A donut with no hole is a danish. --Chevy Chase, Caddyshack _-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ www.rimboy.com <-- Your source for the crap you know you need. www.rimboy.com/rimdistro/rimiradio <-- Icecast server on a floppy! (i486+) --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Tue Apr 3 23:50:31 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 09:50:31 +1000 Subject: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010404095031.03884770@mailhost.capmon.com> ok... topology. 486 with 10BaseT card hooking into 10/100 hub hooking into 10/100 switch hooking into cisco router combining two 128KbpsISDN lines into a consolidated 256kbps line. listening on my desktop machine is fine, also 10baseT into the same hub as the server. the bitrate on the mp3's is 128 (great for listening off the HD) whats a good bitrate to encode for streaming audio? At 05:49 PM 4/3/2001 -0500, you wrote: >On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, John Griffiths wrote: > >> i've set up an old 486 running debian 2.2r2 using the debian icecast packages (shout doing the streaming). > >As my sig points out, yes, it is possible. RiR is linux and icecast >stripped to the bare necessities. > >> so far so good, with a bit of fiddling i had a stream that worked fine over the local network > >As I too have seen in practice :/ (I've not yet taken my project to the >next level, which is actual deployment for clients on the internet. So >far it has only been internal testing. ) > >> remote users are unable to connect. > >I guess if we knew what your topology was (what kind of local lan, what >kind of upstream, etc) > >> I understand that a better streamer might help. will such a streamer run on such an old machine? > >See above. Yes. However, be aware there are limitations (such as >bandwidth available from the HW). > >> are there any binaries for such a newer streamer? > >What version is debian at with their packages? FWIW, RiR is at 1.3.10. > >> would re-encoding my mp3's to a lower bitrate help? whats a good bitrate for modem users? > >That's the bigger question, what bit rate are you sending out? Are you >downsampling / forcing a smaller bit rate on your mp3's? > >Note, if you decided to use RiR (for whatever reason), most of those >features are not config'd. You'll need to go into ~/tree/etc/icecast.conf >and add in the additional values. Icecast.ref in ~ from the blownout >tarball is the std icecast.conf file that ships with icecast. Pick and >choose what you need out of there. > >Sean... > >-- >A flute with no holes is not a flute. A donut with no hole is a danish. > --Chevy Chase, Caddyshack >_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_-_ >www.rimboy.com <-- Your source for the crap you know you need. >www.rimboy.com/rimdistro/rimiradio <-- Icecast server on a floppy! (i486+) > > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. 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Republication or re-dissemination, including posting to news groups or web pages, is strictly prohibited without the express prior consent of Capital Monitor Pty Ltd. ____________________________________________________________ John Griffiths Tel 02 6273 4899 Capital Monitor Pty Ltd Fax 02 6273 4905 Press Gallery Mobile: 0412 690 643 Parliament House e-mail: john at capmon.com Canberra ACT 2600 http://www.capmon.com Australia ICQ No: 7933859 --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From chrisp at ryoko.chrispy.net Wed Apr 4 18:01:12 2001 From: chrisp at ryoko.chrispy.net (Chris Parrinello) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 13:01:12 -0500 (CDT) Subject: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010404095031.03884770@mailhost.capmon.com> Message-ID: <200104041801.f34I1CH08698@ryoko.chrispy.net> > > the bitrate on the mp3's is 128 (great for listening off the HD) > > whats a good bitrate to encode for streaming audio? I think this might be the problem 128kbps isn't going to work over a modem. I think 24kbps is probably the pratical limit for 56k modems. 56k modems might be able to get a 32kbps stream but only under optimal conditions. Chris --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Wed Apr 4 22:46:11 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 08:46:11 +1000 Subject: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <200104041801.f34I1CH08698@ryoko.chrispy.net> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010405084611.0290b1e0@mailhost.capmon.com> ok makes sense, what about for 28k modems? At 01:01 PM 4/4/2001 -0500, you wrote: >> >> the bitrate on the mp3's is 128 (great for listening off the HD) >> >> whats a good bitrate to encode for streaming audio? > >I think this might be the problem 128kbps isn't going to work over a modem. > >I think 24kbps is probably the pratical limit for 56k modems. 56k modems might >be able to get a 32kbps stream but only under optimal conditions. > >Chris > > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From ccn at uark.edu Tue Apr 3 23:56:38 2001 From: ccn at uark.edu (Chris Nestrud) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 18:56:38 -0500 Subject: [icecast] limiting sources Message-ID: <20010403185638.A6587@uark.edu> Hello list, I'm setting up icecast version 1.3.10 to act as the server for an internet radio station. We have many dj's who do shows in sequence. We were using live365, and one person would know his show could start by connecting to the server a few minutes early. The server would refuse connection untill the current stream dropped, then the current person would connect and begin the show. I've set max_sources to 1 in icecast.conf, but apparently more than one source is able to connect at a time. Does anyone know of a way to make the server behave as I've described? Much thanks, Chris --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From dave at jetcafe.org Thu Apr 5 01:00:55 2001 From: dave at jetcafe.org (Dave Hayes) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 18:00:55 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Too many "too many errors" In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Too many "too many errors"> Message-ID: <200104050100.SAA22898@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> Let me explain more of my testing. I take the same laptop (a cheap compaq). I point winamp at my icecast server, which is one hop away (frame relay T1). After 30-40 min I get stuttering and eventual disconnect. I point same winamp on same laptop to random icecast server(s). It's fine for more than 2 hours, at a higher bitrate even. (I am broadcasting at 40kb, I tested rates at 96 and 128kb.) Somehow, I must be doing something wrong. I've checked the OS (FreeBSD 4.2), the net.inet.tcp.sendspace (128k), and the icecast binary. Only thing I can possibly see is "CHUNKSIZE" being set to 64. > So I assume that you're computer is fast enough to do this without > problems? Is it a dedicated machine? Does the source ever lose its > connection, or just the clients It's a win95 box, dedicated. The source never loses connection, and I relay the source through an icecast relay on another machine. So: line in --> win 95 box --> icecast (relay) --> icecast --> (world) For what it's worth, connecting to the icecast (relay) above doesn't exhibit these problems. ------- Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave at jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< There are students who are in chains when they go to a teacher, and the teacher adds another chain. The students are delighted, unable to discern one thing from another. This is called a guest looking at a guest. -Zen Master Linji --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From dave at jetcafe.org Wed Apr 4 00:41:50 2001 From: dave at jetcafe.org (Dave Hayes) Date: Tue, 03 Apr 2001 17:41:50 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Too many "too many errors" In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Too many "too many errors"> Message-ID: <200104040041.RAA29918@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> Let me explain more of my testing. I take the same laptop (a cheap compaq). I point winamp at my icecast server, which is one hop away (frame relay T1). After 30-40 min I get stuttering and eventual disconnect. I point same winamp on same laptop to random icecast server(s). It's fine for more than 2 hours, at a higher bitrate even. (I am broadcasting at 40kb, I tested rates at 96 and 128kb.) Somehow, I must be doing something wrong. I've checked the OS (FreeBSD 4.2), the net.inet.tcp.sendspace (128k), and the icecast binary. Only thing I can possibly see is "CHUNKSIZE" being set to 64. > So I assume that you're computer is fast enough to do this without > problems? Is it a dedicated machine? Does the source ever lose its > connection, or just the clients It's a win95 box, dedicated. The source never loses connection, and I relay the source through an icecast relay on another machine. So: line in --> win 95 box --> icecast (relay) --> icecast --> (world) For what it's worth, connecting to the icecast (relay) above doesn't exhibit these problems. ------ Dave Hayes - Consultant - Altadena CA, USA - dave at jetcafe.org >>> The opinions expressed above are entirely my own <<< There are students who are in chains when they go to a teacher, and the teacher adds another chain. The students are delighted, unable to discern one thing from another. This is called a guest looking at a guest. -Zen Master Linji --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jburley at kuci.org Thu Apr 5 04:22:13 2001 From: jburley at kuci.org (Joshua Burley) Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2001 21:22:13 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Problem streaming to shoutcast w/ liveice Message-ID: <20010405032218.C5B3718D02D@motherfish.xiph.org> Maybe this is the wrong place to post, but... When trying to start up liveice to a shoutcast server I'm getting the following error, and then it dies and screws up the terminal emulation for my session. Anyone seen this before? LiveIce Streaming Mpeg Audio Generator Input Mode: Direct Soundcard [/dev/dsp] Input Format: 16 Bit, 44100 Hz Stereo Output Format: 96000 Bps Mpeg Audio IceCast Server: kuci.org:889 Icy-Name: KUCI 88.9FM in Irvine HQ Stream Icy-Genre: all Icy-Url: http://www.kuci.org Input-Level: Frame | CPU time/estim | REAL time/estim | play/CPU | ETA 0/2 ( 0%)| 0:00/ 0:00| 0:00/ 0:00| 0.0000x| 0:00 alarm timeout signal Thanks, josh Josh Burley josh at kuci.org "Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Cthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich." --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From plastic at m-net.arbornet.org Thu Apr 5 05:52:45 2001 From: plastic at m-net.arbornet.org (john) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 01:52:45 -0400 Subject: [icecast] Icecast & Liveice b.s. Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010405014750.00a454f0@pop.oh.verio.com> I have been fiddling with the darn thing for three days now, and i am at whits end. I dunno why it isn't working. Any help is so much appreciated. I am trying to use mpg123, liveice and icecast on my Alpha. It does not have a sound card. All three programs compile without any problems. If i did not know better, i just might a throw the alpha off the space station and watch it burn up on reentry. i crank out ./icecast and it loads. e.g.: [root at radius bin]# ./icecast [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Closing fd 3 [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Parsing command line arguments [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Max number of open files: soft: 1024 hard: 1024 [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Max number of open files raised from: soft 1024 hard: 1024, to soft: 44 hard: 1024 [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: add_authentication_user(): Inserted user [radius:letmein] [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: add_authentication_user(): Inserted user [singularity:letmein] [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: add_authentication_user(): Inserted user [root:letmein] [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: add_authentication_user(): Inserted user [john:letmein] [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Closing fd 4 [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: add_authentication_group(): Inserted group [radius] [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Closing fd 4 [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: add_authentication_mount(): Inserted mount [/admin] [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: add_authentication_mount(): Inserted mount [/oper] [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Closing fd 4 [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Checking directory /usr/local/icecast/logs/ [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Checking write access for file /usr/local/icecast/logs/stats.log [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Closing fd 4 [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Looking for templates [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Checking directory /usr/local/icecast/logs/ [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Using logfile /usr/local/icecast/logs/icecast.log [fd 5] for icecast.log [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Checking directory /usr/local/icecast/logs/ [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Using logfile /usr/local/icecast/logs/access.log [fd 6] for access.log [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Checking directory /usr/local/icecast/logs/ [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Using logfile /usr/local/icecast/logs/usage.log [fd 7] for usage.log Icecast Version 1.3.10 Initializing... Icecast comes with NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. You may redistribute copies of Icecast under the terms of the GNU General Public License. For more information about these matters, see the file named COPYING. Starting thread engine... [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Icecast Version 1.3.10 Starting.. [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Runtime Configuration: [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Using nanosleep() as sleep method [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Using posix signal interface to block all signals in threads that don't want them [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Using 64 chunks of 8192 bytes for client backlog [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Using linux own gethostbyname_r() and getaddrbyname_r(), which is good. [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] System can create max 1024 threads [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Starting Admin Console Thread... -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Starting main connection handler... -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Listening on host 192.168.1.3... -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Listening on port 8000... -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Using 'radius' as servername... -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Server limits: 9 clients, 9 clients per source, 10 sources, 5 admins -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] WWW Admin interface accessible at http://radius:8000/admin -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Starting Calender Thread... -> -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Starting UDP handler thread... -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Starting relay connector thread... -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] [Bandwidth: 0.000000MB/s] [Sources: 0] [Clients: 0] [Admins: 1] [Uptime: 0 seconds] i can connect to it. i fire off liveice and it will load such that: [john at radius liveice]$ ./liveice playlist 1 opening connection to localhost 8000 Attempting to Contact Server connection successful: forking process opening pipe!... writing password Killing children... Killing children... Killing children... Killing children... umm. I check out all previous posts available on xiph.org and haven't come across any problems like my own. ANY and ALL HELP is appreciated. Is there a HOWTO for morons version on the net? I haven't come across anything that might shed some light on what might be going on her. ja. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From mjp at filmsat59.com Wed Apr 4 22:26:51 2001 From: mjp at filmsat59.com (Mike Prudence) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 23:26:51 +0100 (BST) Subject: [icecast] OK, am I missing something ?? Message-ID: <1678.62.30.66.38.986423211.squirrel@filmsat59.com> Hi all, Didn't get any replies to my previous query, so I thought I'd try again. Since I last emailed out, my station has appeared on yp.icecast.org, so I really don't know what was going on there.... This time, however, I'm hot on the trail of a generally crappy output stream from icecast/streamcast/ices. It stutters; it halts on track changes; it causes the little red light on Winamp to flutter on and off. Listening on the LAN - seems fine. Listening at home on my cable connection, sounds crap. I can receive lots of stuff from the Internet fine, but just not my stream. So, I must be missing something obvious. Sadly, my one complaint has to be that it seems difficult to find out what I'm missing. I've been to iceast.org, tried thumbing through deja, eventually found the source for ices and streamcast and liblame and gogo and goodness knows what else. But none of it seems to work. I'm not stupid, I've been running Linux systems for years and compiled up a load of stuff from scratch, but I can't help but feel I've somehow overlooked the 'icecast cookbook' site that has simple examples of config files, needed libraries, case studies, and testimonials from people who have running systems that work perfectly. I also haven't stumbled over a tool to debug this sort of thing. My Win98 Winamp player flashes it's little red light at me, but what does this mean? Is there a tool which can analyse an incoming MP3 stream and give me a small clue as to what is not right??? Can someone please, please give me the small clue I need to get this system running reliably ? I know my music isn't much cop, but it's now become personal :-) -- Cheers, Mike mjp at filmsat59.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From k_myers at kyxpyx.com Thu Apr 5 10:57:41 2001 From: k_myers at kyxpyx.com (Kelly Lee Myers) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 03:57:41 -0700 Subject: [icecast] OK, am I missing something ?? In-Reply-To: <1678.62.30.66.38.986423211.squirrel@filmsat59.com> Message-ID: <000701c0bdbf$3c6d1980$a0727118@lithium> I am going to risk getting flamed here but you have a problem, and this might help. Download this (www.kyxpyx.com and see the technology section...) What I am saying here is see what the data flow is like coming into your win98 machine by using kasterblaster as a client tuned into your icecast server (I have not tried this but it may work) in a relay set up. again this may not work, however if it does, kasterblaster will show you what is coming across packet by packet in the monitor window from the source feed just as if it was a client. Then tune into the kasterblaster stream and listen to the output and see if the information presented to you (long delays in packet through put) corresponds to what you are hearing for drop outs (remember that KB has a buffer of 1MB). the point of this is that at least you will be able to see what is going on, and tell when it happens... This may help you in determining the cause. You should be next to the icecast box if possible when you do this to see what the logs are like at the same time.That little red light in winamp when it kicks in is basically what kasterblaster will show you when a client is starting to run out of buffers after a certain number of packets if you know how big the buffer is on the client unit. You can do some quick math to figure out what it takes to keep that buffer full. If you see more stalls in the server window coming from the source icecast server then what is required per second, you can start to see what is really going on behind the scenes for a client connection. the end result here is you have a quick little quality of service testing tool hopefully. I have not gone into a lot of detail in an effort to spare the rest of this list, so if you have questions, email me on the side, and let's see if there is something that can be done to track your problem down. You are probably correct in your assumption that you are doing everything according to the "instructions" correctly. It's not always a server issue, and you say the "rest of the net is fine" but have you tried other streaming (video for example as I noticed you do post work) from a box there running darwin QT (or KasterBlaster if you don't and don't want to go through the hassle of setting something like that up for a quick test) or something that is using straight TCP and see what happens there... ? Just trying to help. Lithium ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Prudence" To: Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 3:26 PM Subject: [icecast] OK, am I missing something ?? > Hi all, > > Didn't get any replies to my previous query, so I thought I'd try again. > Since I last emailed out, my station has appeared on yp.icecast.org, so I > really don't know what was going on there.... > > This time, however, I'm hot on the trail of a generally crappy output > stream from icecast/streamcast/ices. > > It stutters; it halts on track changes; it causes the little red light on > Winamp to flutter on and off. > > Listening on the LAN - seems fine. Listening at home on my cable > connection, sounds crap. I can receive lots of stuff from the Internet > fine, but just not my stream. > > So, I must be missing something obvious. Sadly, my one complaint has to be > that it seems difficult to find out what I'm missing. I've been to > iceast.org, tried thumbing through deja, eventually found the source for > ices and streamcast and liblame and gogo and goodness knows what else. > > But none of it seems to work. I'm not stupid, I've been running Linux > systems for years and compiled up a load of stuff from scratch, but I can't > help but feel I've somehow overlooked the 'icecast cookbook' site that has > simple examples of config files, needed libraries, case studies, and > testimonials from people who have running systems that work perfectly. > > I also haven't stumbled over a tool to debug this sort of thing. My Win98 > Winamp player flashes it's little red light at me, but what does this > mean? Is there a tool which can analyse an incoming MP3 stream and give me > a small clue as to what is not right??? > > Can someone please, please give me the small clue I need to get this system > running reliably ? > > I know my music isn't much cop, but it's now become personal :-) > > -- > Cheers, > > Mike > mjp at filmsat59.com > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From vickeryj at grinnell.edu Thu Apr 5 13:03:12 2001 From: vickeryj at grinnell.edu (Josh Vickery) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 09:03:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [icecast] Icecast & Liveice b.s. In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010405014750.00a454f0@pop.oh.verio.com> Message-ID: I hope this is not too obvious, but you failed you mention the MP3 encoder that you are using with Liveice. If indeed you do not have an encoder, or liveice is not pointed at it, then you will indeed get the liveice behavior that you mentioned. josh On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, john wrote: > I have been fiddling with the darn thing > for three days now, and i am at whits end. I dunno > why it isn't working. Any help is so much appreciated. > I am trying to use mpg123, liveice and icecast on > my Alpha. It does not have a sound card. All three programs > compile without any problems. If i did not know better, > i just might a throw the alpha off the space station and watch > it burn up on reentry. > > i crank out ./icecast and it loads. e.g.: > > [root at radius bin]# ./icecast > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Closing fd 3 > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Parsing command line arguments > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Max number of open files: soft: 1024 hard: 1024 > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Max number of open files raised from: soft > 1024 hard: 1024, to soft: 44 hard: 1024 > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: add_authentication_user(): Inserted user > [radius:letmein] > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: add_authentication_user(): Inserted user > [singularity:letmein] > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: add_authentication_user(): Inserted user > [root:letmein] > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: add_authentication_user(): Inserted user > [john:letmein] > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Closing fd 4 > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: add_authentication_group(): Inserted group > [radius] > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Closing fd 4 > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: add_authentication_mount(): Inserted mount > [/admin] > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: add_authentication_mount(): Inserted mount > [/oper] > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Closing fd 4 > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Checking directory /usr/local/icecast/logs/ > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Checking write access for file > /usr/local/icecast/logs/stats.log > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Closing fd 4 > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Looking for templates > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Checking directory /usr/local/icecast/logs/ > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Using logfile > /usr/local/icecast/logs/icecast.log [fd 5] for icecast.log > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Checking directory /usr/local/icecast/logs/ > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Using logfile > /usr/local/icecast/logs/access.log [fd 6] for access.log > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Checking directory /usr/local/icecast/logs/ > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] DEBUG: Using logfile > /usr/local/icecast/logs/usage.log [fd 7] for usage.log > Icecast Version 1.3.10 Initializing... > Icecast comes with NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. > You may redistribute copies of Icecast under the terms of the > GNU General Public License. > For more information about these matters, see the file named COPYING. > Starting thread engine... > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Icecast Version 1.3.10 Starting.. > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Runtime Configuration: > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Using nanosleep() as sleep method > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Using posix signal interface to block all signals in > threads that don't want them > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Using 64 chunks of 8192 bytes for client backlog > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Using linux own gethostbyname_r() and > getaddrbyname_r(), which is good. > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] System can create max 1024 threads > [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Starting Admin Console Thread... > -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Starting main connection handler... > -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Listening on host 192.168.1.3... > -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Listening on port 8000... > -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Using 'radius' as servername... > -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Server limits: 9 clients, 9 clients per source, > 10 sources, 5 admins > -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] WWW Admin interface accessible at > http://radius:8000/admin > -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Starting Calender Thread... > -> -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Starting UDP handler thread... > -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] Starting relay connector thread... > -> [03/Apr/2001:17:59:20] [Bandwidth: 0.000000MB/s] [Sources: 0] [Clients: > 0] [Admins: 1] [Uptime: 0 seconds] > > i can connect to it. i fire off liveice and it will load such that: > > [john at radius liveice]$ ./liveice > playlist > 1 > opening connection to localhost 8000 > Attempting to Contact Server > connection successful: forking process > opening pipe!... > writing password > Killing children... > Killing children... > Killing children... > Killing children... > > umm. I check out all previous posts available on xiph.org and > haven't come across any problems like my own. ANY and ALL > HELP is appreciated. Is there a HOWTO for morons version on the > net? I haven't come across anything that might shed some light > on what might be going on her. > > ja. > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > -- Joshua Vickery Grinnell College 14-21 Grinnell IA, 50112 vickeryj at grinnell.edu --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From plastic at m-net.arbornet.org Thu Apr 5 15:34:06 2001 From: plastic at m-net.arbornet.org (john) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 11:34:06 -0400 Subject: [icecast] Icecast & Liveice b.s. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010405113109.00a65e30@pop.oh.verio.com> At 09:03 AM 4/5/01 -0400, you wrote: >I hope this is not too obvious, but you failed you mention the MP3 encoder >that you are using with Liveice. If indeed you do not have an encoder, or >liveice is not pointed at it, then you will indeed get the liveice behavior >that you mentioned. Ahh. Ok. This is where I no longer understand how to correlate the three items. I have mpg123 installed. Along with Liveice and Icecast. I crank out Icecast into the background. I do what next? I have my playlist. I havent seen any documentation on how to setup this darn thing. I do not have a soundcard on my Alpha hopefully the Alpha port of mpg123 does not require one! ja. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Wed Apr 4 23:57:04 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:57:04 -0700 Subject: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <200104041801.f34I1CH08698@ryoko.chrispy.net> Message-ID: <20010404165704.D12852@tk421.icecast.org> > > > > the bitrate on the mp3's is 128 (great for listening off the HD) > > > > whats a good bitrate to encode for streaming audio? > > I think this might be the problem 128kbps isn't going to work over a modem. > > I think 24kbps is probably the pratical limit for 56k modems. 56k modems might > be able to get a 32kbps stream but only under optimal conditions. I believe he said the outgoing stream was two 128k ISDN lines, which from my ISDN memory I remember as actually having a 112k throughput (the other channel being used for signalling, etc). Since you can only push packets out one at a time with a single tcp connection (i think) 128 is definately not going to make it out, even if the one possible listener could receive data that fast. So a lower bitrate is most certainly necessary. 24kbps is a good one to choose if you're interested in modem listeners. A lot of people like 56k but I don't think they realize that most people with 56k modems get more like 40k throughput or so. I think going higher than 100k is fairly wasteful. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From wildbill at kpig.com Thu Apr 5 18:32:40 2001 From: wildbill at kpig.com (William Goldsmith) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 11:32:40 -0700 Subject: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <20010404165704.D12852@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <00ed01c0bdfe$cfd8ab00$6800000a@billnew> > I think going higher than 100k is > fairly wasteful. > > jack. Well, that might have been true a year or two ago - but a lot of people have the ability to hear 128k streams these days (look at the rankings at www.shoutcast.com). And - at least with MP3 - there is a *big* difference in sound quality between 96k & 128k. I'm hoping that Ogg Vorbis will produce decent-sounding sub-128k streams, since many of the next-gen wireless networks will be running at 128k. -bg --- Bill Goldsmith www.kpig.com www.radioparadise.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From wildbill at kpig.com Thu Apr 5 14:58:37 2001 From: wildbill at kpig.com (William Goldsmith) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 07:58:37 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Problem streaming to shoutcast w/ liveice In-Reply-To: <20010405032218.C5B3718D02D@motherfish.xiph.org> Message-ID: <007301c0bde0$e52e13a0$6800000a@billnew> When you're streaming to a Shoutcast server w/ liveice (or any icecast source tools), the port in liveice.cfg needs to be set to one port higher than the Shoutcast server base port. Shoutcast uses the base port for metadata & port+1 for the stream data. If you exit liveice with ctrl-c (rather than the command it specifies) it usually won't screw up your session settings. Hope this helps bg --- Bill Goldsmith www.kpig.com www.radioparadise.com > > Maybe this is the wrong place to post, but... > > When trying to start up liveice to a shoutcast server I'm getting the following > error, and then it dies and screws up the terminal emulation for my session. > Anyone seen this before? > > > > LiveIce Streaming Mpeg Audio Generator > Input Mode: Direct Soundcard [/dev/dsp] > Input Format: 16 Bit, 44100 Hz Stereo > Output Format: 96000 Bps Mpeg Audio > IceCast Server: kuci.org:889 > Icy-Name: KUCI 88.9FM in Irvine HQ Stream > Icy-Genre: all > Icy-Url: http://www.kuci.org > Input-Level: > Frame | CPU time/estim | REAL time/estim | play/CPU | ETA > 0/2 ( 0%)| 0:00/ 0:00| 0:00/ 0:00| 0.0000x| 0:00 alarm timeout signal > > Thanks, > josh > > > > > Josh Burley > josh at kuci.org > "Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Cthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich." > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jburley at kuci.org Thu Apr 5 22:10:37 2001 From: jburley at kuci.org (Joshua Burley) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 15:10:37 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Problem streaming to shoutcast w/ liveice In-Reply-To: <007301c0bde0$e52e13a0$6800000a@billnew> Message-ID: <20010405211042.906BE18D042@motherfish.xiph.org> Did the trick. Duh. Thanks alot! .josh > When you're streaming to a Shoutcast server w/ liveice (or any icecast > source tools), the port in liveice.cfg needs to be set to one port higher > than the Shoutcast server base port. Shoutcast uses the base port for > metadata & port+1 for the stream data. > > If you exit liveice with ctrl-c (rather than the command it specifies) it > usually won't screw up your session settings. > > Hope this helps > bg > --- > Bill Goldsmith > www.kpig.com > www.radioparadise.com > > > > > > > Maybe this is the wrong place to post, but... > > > > When trying to start up liveice to a shoutcast server I'm getting the > following > > error, and then it dies and screws up the terminal emulation for my > session. > > Anyone seen this before? > > > > > > > > LiveIce Streaming Mpeg Audio Generator > > Input Mode: Direct Soundcard [/dev/dsp] > > Input Format: 16 Bit, 44100 Hz Stereo > > Output Format: 96000 Bps Mpeg Audio > > IceCast Server: kuci.org:889 > > Icy-Name: KUCI 88.9FM in Irvine HQ Stream > > Icy-Genre: all > > Icy-Url: http://www.kuci.org > > Input-Level: > > Frame | CPU time/estim | REAL time/estim | play/CPU | ETA > > 0/2 ( 0%)| 0:00/ 0:00| 0:00/ 0:00| 0.0000x| 0:00 > alarm timeout signal > > > > > Thanks, > > josh > > > > > > > > > > Josh Burley > > josh at kuci.org > > "Jesus saves, Allah forgives, Cthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich." > > > > > > > > --- >8 ---- > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Thu Apr 5 22:12:18 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 08:12:18 +1000 Subject: [icecast] bitrate for slow modems In-Reply-To: <20010404165704.D12852@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010406081218.034ddea0@mailhost.capmon.com> ok so 24kbps for 56k modems... can i go any lower and get the 28 k modems? (still a lot of them about) or will 24 be good enough fo that? At 04:57 PM 4/4/2001 -0700, Jack Moffitt wrote: >> > >> > the bitrate on the mp3's is 128 (great for listening off the HD) >> > >> > whats a good bitrate to encode for streaming audio? >> >> I think this might be the problem 128kbps isn't going to work over a modem. >> >> I think 24kbps is probably the pratical limit for 56k modems. 56k modems might >> be able to get a 32kbps stream but only under optimal conditions. > >I believe he said the outgoing stream was two 128k ISDN lines, which >from my ISDN memory I remember as actually having a 112k throughput (the >other channel being used for signalling, etc). Since you can only push >packets out one at a time with a single tcp connection (i think) 128 is >definately not going to make it out, even if the one possible listener >could receive data that fast. > >So a lower bitrate is most certainly necessary. 24kbps is a good one to >choose if you're interested in modem listeners. A lot of people like >56k but I don't think they realize that most people with 56k modems get >more like 40k throughput or so. I think going higher than 100k is >fairly wasteful. > >jack. > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From k_myers at kyxpyx.com Thu Apr 5 22:05:26 2001 From: k_myers at kyxpyx.com (Kelly Lee Myers) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:05:26 -0700 Subject: [icecast] bitrate for slow modems In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010406081218.034ddea0@mailhost.capmon.com> Message-ID: <000d01c0be1c$8512d6e0$a0727118@lithium> Depending on what you are broadcasting, for 28.8 I would go 16kbps and be really safe... Lithium ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Griffiths" To: Cc: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:12 PM Subject: [icecast] bitrate for slow modems > ok so 24kbps for 56k modems... > > can i go any lower and get the 28 k modems? (still a lot of them about) or will 24 be good enough fo that? > > At 04:57 PM 4/4/2001 -0700, Jack Moffitt wrote: > >> > > >> > the bitrate on the mp3's is 128 (great for listening off the HD) > >> > > >> > whats a good bitrate to encode for streaming audio? > >> > >> I think this might be the problem 128kbps isn't going to work over a modem. > >> > >> I think 24kbps is probably the pratical limit for 56k modems. 56k modems might > >> be able to get a 32kbps stream but only under optimal conditions. > > > >I believe he said the outgoing stream was two 128k ISDN lines, which > >from my ISDN memory I remember as actually having a 112k throughput (the > >other channel being used for signalling, etc). Since you can only push > >packets out one at a time with a single tcp connection (i think) 128 is > >definately not going to make it out, even if the one possible listener > >could receive data that fast. > > > >So a lower bitrate is most certainly necessary. 24kbps is a good one to > >choose if you're interested in modem listeners. A lot of people like > >56k but I don't think they realize that most people with 56k modems get > >more like 40k throughput or so. I think going higher than 100k is > >fairly wasteful. > > > >jack. > > > >--- >8 ---- > >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From un at king.dom.de Thu Apr 5 22:23:11 2001 From: un at king.dom.de (un) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 00:23:11 +0200 Subject: [icecast] bitrate for slow modems In-Reply-To: <000d01c0be1c$8512d6e0$a0727118@lithium> Message-ID: <20010406002311.P3935@king.dom.de> Kelly Lee Myers: > Depending on what you are broadcasting, for 28.8 I would go 16kbps and be > really safe... well, you could consider not broadcasting at all, that would be 0kbps, and would fit my 9,6kbps gsm connection ;) scnr uno > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Griffiths" > To: > Cc: > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:12 PM > Subject: [icecast] bitrate for slow modems > > > > ok so 24kbps for 56k modems... > > > > can i go any lower and get the 28 k modems? (still a lot of them about) or > will 24 be good enough fo that? > > > > At 04:57 PM 4/4/2001 -0700, Jack Moffitt wrote: > > >> > > > >> > the bitrate on the mp3's is 128 (great for listening off the HD) > > >> > > > >> > whats a good bitrate to encode for streaming audio? > > >> > > >> I think this might be the problem 128kbps isn't going to work over a > modem. > > >> > > >> I think 24kbps is probably the pratical limit for 56k modems. 56k > modems might > > >> be able to get a 32kbps stream but only under optimal conditions. > > > > > >I believe he said the outgoing stream was two 128k ISDN lines, which > > >from my ISDN memory I remember as actually having a 112k throughput (the > > >other channel being used for signalling, etc). Since you can only push > > >packets out one at a time with a single tcp connection (i think) 128 is > > >definately not going to make it out, even if the one possible listener > > >could receive data that fast. > > > > > >So a lower bitrate is most certainly necessary. 24kbps is a good one to > > >choose if you're interested in modem listeners. A lot of people like > > >56k but I don't think they realize that most people with 56k modems get > > >more like 40k throughput or so. I think going higher than 100k is > > >fairly wasteful. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From k_myers at kyxpyx.com Thu Apr 5 22:13:02 2001 From: k_myers at kyxpyx.com (Kelly Lee Myers) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 15:13:02 -0700 Subject: [icecast] bitrate for slow modems In-Reply-To: <20010406002311.P3935@king.dom.de> Message-ID: <001501c0be1d$952da720$a0727118@lithium> ha ha. :| ----- Original Message ----- From: "un" To: Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [icecast] bitrate for slow modems > Kelly Lee Myers: > > Depending on what you are broadcasting, for 28.8 I would go 16kbps and be > > really safe... > > well, you could consider not broadcasting at all, that would be 0kbps, > and would fit my 9,6kbps gsm connection > ;) scnr > uno > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "John Griffiths" > > To: > > Cc: > > Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:12 PM > > Subject: [icecast] bitrate for slow modems > > > > > > > ok so 24kbps for 56k modems... > > > > > > can i go any lower and get the 28 k modems? (still a lot of them about) or > > will 24 be good enough fo that? > > > > > > At 04:57 PM 4/4/2001 -0700, Jack Moffitt wrote: > > > >> > > > > >> > the bitrate on the mp3's is 128 (great for listening off the HD) > > > >> > > > > >> > whats a good bitrate to encode for streaming audio? > > > >> > > > >> I think this might be the problem 128kbps isn't going to work over a > > modem. > > > >> > > > >> I think 24kbps is probably the pratical limit for 56k modems. 56k > > modems might > > > >> be able to get a 32kbps stream but only under optimal conditions. > > > > > > > >I believe he said the outgoing stream was two 128k ISDN lines, which > > > >from my ISDN memory I remember as actually having a 112k throughput (the > > > >other channel being used for signalling, etc). Since you can only push > > > >packets out one at a time with a single tcp connection (i think) 128 is > > > >definately not going to make it out, even if the one possible listener > > > >could receive data that fast. > > > > > > > >So a lower bitrate is most certainly necessary. 24kbps is a good one to > > > >choose if you're interested in modem listeners. A lot of people like > > > >56k but I don't think they realize that most people with 56k modems get > > > >more like 40k throughput or so. I think going higher than 100k is > > > >fairly wasteful. > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Thu Apr 5 22:27:33 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 08:27:33 +1000 Subject: [icecast] bitrate for slow modems In-Reply-To: <20010406002311.P3935@king.dom.de> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010406082733.00925430@mailhost.capmon.com> i was thinking i'd try 16 and see how much i hated it. At 12:23 AM 4/6/2001 +0200, un wrote: >Kelly Lee Myers: >> Depending on what you are broadcasting, for 28.8 I would go 16kbps and be >> really safe... > >well, you could consider not broadcasting at all, that would be 0kbps, >and would fit my 9,6kbps gsm connection >;) scnr >uno > >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "John Griffiths" >> To: >> Cc: >> Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2001 3:12 PM >> Subject: [icecast] bitrate for slow modems >> >> >> > ok so 24kbps for 56k modems... >> > >> > can i go any lower and get the 28 k modems? (still a lot of them about) or >> will 24 be good enough fo that? >> > >> > At 04:57 PM 4/4/2001 -0700, Jack Moffitt wrote: >> > >> > >> > >> > the bitrate on the mp3's is 128 (great for listening off the HD) >> > >> > >> > >> > whats a good bitrate to encode for streaming audio? >> > >> >> > >> I think this might be the problem 128kbps isn't going to work over a >> modem. >> > >> >> > >> I think 24kbps is probably the pratical limit for 56k modems. 56k >> modems might >> > >> be able to get a 32kbps stream but only under optimal conditions. >> > > >> > >I believe he said the outgoing stream was two 128k ISDN lines, which >> > >from my ISDN memory I remember as actually having a 112k throughput (the >> > >other channel being used for signalling, etc). Since you can only push >> > >packets out one at a time with a single tcp connection (i think) 128 is >> > >definately not going to make it out, even if the one possible listener >> > >could receive data that fast. >> > > >> > >So a lower bitrate is most certainly necessary. 24kbps is a good one to >> > >choose if you're interested in modem listeners. A lot of people like >> > >56k but I don't think they realize that most people with 56k modems get >> > >more like 40k throughput or so. I think going higher than 100k is >> > >fairly wasteful. > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gshang at uq.net.au Thu Apr 5 22:17:09 2001 From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 08:17:09 +1000 (EST) Subject: [icecast] Too many "too many errors" In-Reply-To: <20010403161532.H12852@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: Hi: Ok, a couple of thoughts on the clients being kicked problem. Firstly, icecast waits a certain amount of time for a client's buffer to clear. Well and good, except that the amount of time this takes will depend on the format of the data. For example, an 11khz stream will take longer to clear than a 22khz stream as there is longer audio for the same amount of data. This might be why tests of listening to higher bit rate streams didn't exhibit the same problems. Another idea - since it's taking over half an hour to occur, maybe the counter which keeps track on how long the server is waiting to send more data to the client is not being reset, so it slowly creeps up to being too high. Note that I'm not a C programmer so I haven't looked at any code, just brainsttorming here. Does icecast do any buffering of sources? If so, how much? If not, why not? Geoff. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Fri Apr 6 00:45:21 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 17:45:21 -0700 Subject: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <00ed01c0bdfe$cfd8ab00$6800000a@billnew> Message-ID: <20010405174521.C18871@tk421.icecast.org> > > I think going higher than 100k is > > fairly wasteful. > > Well, that might have been true a year or two ago - but a lot of people have > the ability to hear 128k streams these days (look at the rankings at > www.shoutcast.com). And - at least with MP3 - there is a *big* difference in > sound quality between 96k & 128k. > > I'm hoping that Ogg Vorbis will produce decent-sounding sub-128k streams, > since many of the next-gen wireless networks will be running at 128k. I didn't say it was impossible, I just said wasteful. Reasonable quality can be obtained sub-128. There are many reasons to broadcast high bitrate streams, but that doesn't mean they aren't wasteful. Bandwidth, even though one day it will be close to free, is still pretty expensive, and the only reason people do broadcast at 128k is because not that many people listen at once, and so it's still affordable. Were you to suddenly get thousands upon thousands of listeners, you might back it down a notch or two :) With Vorbis, I think everyone will be happy with 96-100kbps. Try it now and see if you are :) jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From mark at knm.org Wed Apr 4 01:47:40 2001 From: mark at knm.org (Mark Lehrer) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 19:47:40 -0600 Subject: [icecast] Too many "too many errors" In-Reply-To: <200104032156.OAA27176@hokkshideh.jetcafe.org> Message-ID: <200104040147.TAA01344@home.knm.org> I have a patch that will fix your stuttering problem, apply to version 1.3.10. In src/sock.c line 533, replace the original line (return n;) with this: return (t==0) ? n : t; This will not help you if your client is legitimately not able to receive data fast enough, but should correct the stuttering. If you want more information, or a "proper" patch, let me know. Mark $ egrep "Too many errors" icecast.log | wc -l 975 $ egrep "client not receiving data fast enough" icecast.log 975 $ egrep "Accepted" icecast.log.0 | wc -l 4076 Hmm. I tried a windows laptop box (kinda slow) and indeed after about 30-40 minutes playback starts stuttering and eventually disconnects from the icecast server. Nothing else is running on this box. What gives? Why am I losing about 25% of the connections to this error? --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Fri Apr 6 01:56:28 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:56:28 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Too many "too many errors" In-Reply-To: <200104040147.TAA01344@home.knm.org> Message-ID: <20010405185628.B26328@tk421.icecast.org> > In src/sock.c line 533, replace the original line (return n;) with > this: > > return (t==0) ? n : t; > > This will not help you if your client is legitimately not able to > receive data fast enough, but should correct the stuttering. > > If you want more information, or a "proper" patch, let me know. Didn't I apply this patch to cvs? jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Fri Apr 6 00:58:09 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 10:58:09 +1000 Subject: [icecast] ices In-Reply-To: <20010405185628.B26328@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010406105809.030ea750@mailhost.capmon.com> ok i've had enough of messing around with shout where do i get ices? any binaries? --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Fri Apr 6 02:01:36 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:01:36 -0700 Subject: [icecast] ices In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010406105809.030ea750@mailhost.capmon.com> Message-ID: <20010405190136.C26328@tk421.icecast.org> A good place to look might be teh download page at www.icecast.org :) jack. On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 10:58:09AM +1000, John Griffiths wrote: > ok i've had enough of messing around with shout > > where do i get ices? any binaries? --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Fri Apr 6 01:03:26 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:03:26 +1000 Subject: [icecast] ices In-Reply-To: <20010405190136.C26328@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010406110326.02804950@mailhost.capmon.com> ack no binaries? okies... At 07:01 PM 4/5/2001 -0700, Jack Moffitt wrote: >A good place to look might be teh download page at www.icecast.org :) > >jack. > >On Fri, Apr 06, 2001 at 10:58:09AM +1000, John Griffiths wrote: >> ok i've had enough of messing around with shout >> >> where do i get ices? any binaries? > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Fri Apr 6 02:16:04 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:16:04 -0700 Subject: [icecast] ices In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010406110326.02804950@mailhost.capmon.com> Message-ID: <20010405191604.D26328@tk421.icecast.org> > ack > > no binaries? > > okies... Unfortunately not. It should compile easily. The reason we didn't release binaries was because we'd want to put lame in there, and that's illegal. :( So we'd have to release binaries without lame, which would lead to lots of email asking why reencoding isn't working. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Fri Apr 6 01:18:20 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:18:20 +1000 Subject: [icecast] ices In-Reply-To: <20010405191604.D26328@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010406111820.02815340@mailhost.capmon.com> well thats reaonable and normally ./configure make make install isn't such a big hop.. only now i've got to make my compiler work on what was a minimal installation.... till i'm sure I'll learn lots if you can humour me a second longer.. why would i want to re-encode? At 07:16 PM 4/5/2001 -0700, you wrote: >> ack >> >> no binaries? >> >> okies... > >Unfortunately not. It should compile easily. The reason we didn't >release binaries was because we'd want to put lame in there, and that's >illegal. :( > >So we'd have to release binaries without lame, which would lead to lots >of email asking why reencoding isn't working. > >jack. > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From wildbill at kpig.com Fri Apr 6 01:21:37 2001 From: wildbill at kpig.com (William Goldsmith) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:21:37 -0700 Subject: [icecast] ices In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010406111820.02815340@mailhost.capmon.com> Message-ID: <01c701c0be37$ed7c5100$6800000a@billnew> > why would i want to re-encode? > If you want to stream at any bandwidth other than what the files were recorded at, you'll need to re-encode using lame (or another codec). If you rip the files at the same bandwidth you'll be streaming at, you won't need it. -bg --- Bill Goldsmith www.kpig.com www.radioparadise.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Fri Apr 6 01:25:57 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:25:57 +1000 Subject: [icecast] ices In-Reply-To: <01c701c0be37$ed7c5100$6800000a@billnew> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010406112557.02f5d8a0@mailhost.capmon.com> ok, given the processors i'm working with re-encoding is not an option =) i was wondering how that worked though. At 06:21 PM 4/5/2001 -0700, William Goldsmith wrote: >> why would i want to re-encode? >> >If you want to stream at any bandwidth other than what the files were >recorded at, you'll need to re-encode using lame (or another codec). If you >rip the files at the same bandwidth you'll be streaming at, you won't need >it. > >-bg >--- >Bill Goldsmith >www.kpig.com >www.radioparadise.com > > > > > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Fri Apr 6 02:29:49 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:29:49 -0700 Subject: [icecast] ices In-Reply-To: <01c701c0be37$ed7c5100$6800000a@billnew> Message-ID: <20010405192949.E26328@tk421.icecast.org> On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 06:21:37PM -0700, William Goldsmith wrote: > > why would i want to re-encode? > > > If you want to stream at any bandwidth other than what the files were > recorded at, you'll need to re-encode using lame (or another codec). If you > rip the files at the same bandwidth you'll be streaming at, you won't need > it. And just to add, you can also reencode by hand and have two sets of files, as reencoding on the fly wastes a lot of CPU, especially since you're likely to be reencoding the same files over and over :) It's a convinience feature that a lot of people wanted. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Fri Apr 6 01:36:33 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:36:33 +1000 Subject: [icecast] ices In-Reply-To: <20010405192949.E26328@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010406113633.0363f6e0@mailhost.capmon.com> it's funny. I only started this so my ex-girlfriend on the other side of the world could hear a song (downloading mp3's was not possible for complex reasons but streaming audio was) but goddammit i'm going to make this thing work if it kills me. At 07:29 PM 4/5/2001 -0700, Jack Moffitt wrote: >On Thu, Apr 05, 2001 at 06:21:37PM -0700, William Goldsmith wrote: >> > why would i want to re-encode? >> > >> If you want to stream at any bandwidth other than what the files were >> recorded at, you'll need to re-encode using lame (or another codec). If you >> rip the files at the same bandwidth you'll be streaming at, you won't need >> it. > >And just to add, you can also reencode by hand and have two sets of >files, as reencoding on the fly wastes a lot of CPU, especially since >you're likely to be reencoding the same files over and over :) > >It's a convinience feature that a lot of people wanted. > >jack. > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From ryan at tron-thorpe.com Fri Apr 6 01:39:36 2001 From: ryan at tron-thorpe.com (Ryan Sayre) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:39:36 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] ices In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010406113633.0363f6e0@mailhost.capmon.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, John Griffiths wrote: > it's funny. > > I only started this so my ex-girlfriend on the other side of the world > could hear a song (downloading mp3's was not possible for complex > reasons but streaming audio was) > > but goddammit i'm going to make this thing work if it kills me. Obviously mission critical. :-\ Why not make the binaries on another box, zip up the "made" stuff, and just do a make install? The DMCA sucks. -- ryan at tron-thorpe.com ** Ryan Sayre ** Systems Engineer -- Oregon Tron-Thorpe, Inc: The Solutions Foundry Phone: (503) 657-4509 http://www.tron-thorpe.com FAX: (503) 212-0165 --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Fri Apr 6 01:42:41 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:42:41 +1000 Subject: [icecast] ices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010406114241.02682770@mailhost.capmon.com> you're going to laugh, but since i switched to debian and the wonders of apt-get i haven't needed a compiler and have kept my install minimal (apt figures out dependencies and install them on an as-needed basis) I'm getting a compiler going but I'm having to learn some things about GCC i could have lived without. also having started down this path I'm probably going to get involved with streaming local music so i'd like to crack it. the ex has lost interest (she's a fickle cow) ;-) At 06:39 PM 4/5/2001 -0700, you wrote: >On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, John Griffiths wrote: > >> it's funny. >> >> I only started this so my ex-girlfriend on the other side of the world >> could hear a song (downloading mp3's was not possible for complex >> reasons but streaming audio was) >> >> but goddammit i'm going to make this thing work if it kills me. > >Obviously mission critical. :-\ > >Why not make the binaries on another box, zip up the "made" stuff, and >just do a make install? > >The DMCA sucks. > >-- >ryan at tron-thorpe.com ** Ryan Sayre ** Systems Engineer -- Oregon >Tron-Thorpe, Inc: The Solutions Foundry Phone: (503) 657-4509 >http://www.tron-thorpe.com FAX: (503) 212-0165 > > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Fri Apr 6 02:45:53 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 19:45:53 -0700 Subject: [icecast] ices In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010405194553.F26328@tk421.icecast.org> > > I only started this so my ex-girlfriend on the other side of the world > > could hear a song (downloading mp3's was not possible for complex > > reasons but streaming audio was) > > > > but goddammit i'm going to make this thing work if it kills me. > > Obviously mission critical. :-\ > > Why not make the binaries on another box, zip up the "made" stuff, and > just do a make install? > > The DMCA sucks. Not sure what the DMCA has to do with anything being discussed here.. But, if she can stream but not download (which I don't quite understand), then wouldn't it be easier to throw those mp3 files in a directory under apache or even under icecast (the static_file dir) and just stream them that way? jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Fri Apr 6 01:48:40 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 11:48:40 +1000 Subject: [icecast] ices In-Reply-To: <20010405194553.F26328@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010406114840.03717e80@mailhost.capmon.com> > >Not sure what the DMCA has to do with anything being discussed here.. > >But, if she can stream but not download (which I don't quite >understand), then wouldn't it be easier to throw those mp3 files in a >directory under apache or even under icecast (the static_file dir) and >just stream them that way? > >jack. > tatic_file? I'll have to do more research.... I'm running the base debian potato ice so maybe i need tog get that compiler going and shift the whole shebang up a peg/ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From wildbill at kpig.com Fri Apr 6 01:52:08 2001 From: wildbill at kpig.com (William Goldsmith) Date: Thu, 5 Apr 2001 18:52:08 -0700 Subject: [icecast] ices In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010406114840.03717e80@mailhost.capmon.com> Message-ID: <01df01c0be3c$30959b00$6800000a@billnew> The easiest way to do static-file streaming (1 file at a time) is to stick the files in a public httpd dir, create m3u files for them (an .m3u file is just a text file containing the path to the file you want to stream) - then link to the m3u file on a web page. Works just fine, using nothing but apache. That's how I do all of the archive stuff on www.kpig.com. -bg > > > >Not sure what the DMCA has to do with anything being discussed here.. > > > >But, if she can stream but not download (which I don't quite > >understand), then wouldn't it be easier to throw those mp3 files in a > >directory under apache or even under icecast (the static_file dir) and > >just stream them that way? > > > >jack. > > > > static_file? I'll have to do more research.... I'm running the base debian potato ice so maybe i need tog get that compiler going and shift the whole shebang up a peg/ > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From mjs at blitz-technology.net Fri Apr 6 02:56:39 2001 From: mjs at blitz-technology.net (Mitchell) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 12:56:39 +1000 Subject: [icecast] playlist script Message-ID: <20010406125639.A14483@blitz-technology.net> Hi, I am looking for a script for icecast that will generate playlists with a few requirements. For example, our station broadcasts 3 styles of techno, and it sounds wierd when you drop a more mello trance style track in the middle of a hard house style set. so I need to be able to say, play 7 songs of type 1 then 7 songs of type 2 etc. Also some songs should get a higher frequency in the playlist then say a 98 classic. and finally some way of intergrating it with a web request system, and having the ability to play a station ID file every 5 songs etc. We are currently using icedj, but this is shout based and a bit on the unstable side, and the scripts I have seen for ices so far don't have nearly as much functionality, streamcast etc which use libshout, while having the web request system and a neet telnet interface don't allow us to have timed programs etc. Has anyone written software with this functionality in it already, or in the process of developing something like this? with libshout it wouldn't be difficult for us to write our own package to do this, but thought I'd ask first before re-inventing the wheel. -- Mitchell Smith Blitz Technology mjs at blitz-technology.net The software said it requires Windows 95 or better, so I installed Linux --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Fri Apr 6 04:06:33 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 14:06:33 +1000 Subject: [icecast] TRIUMPH Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010406140633.031146a0@mailhost.capmon.com> ok, mp3's bitrates lowered, new streamer (ices) compiled and installed (cos the old one wouldn't handle the lower bitrate) I've learned a lot and a girl in another continent has now heard the darn song thanks for the patience and advice people John --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From vikas98 at hotmail.com Fri Apr 6 04:09:34 2001 From: vikas98 at hotmail.com (Vikas Gupta) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 04:09:34 Subject: [icecast] multiple streams (with diff playlists) Message-ID: I have been succesfully streaming one stream with liveice/icecast. I want to setup another stream at the same bitrate. How can I go about doing this? Do mountpoints only work on one stream at differant bitrates? _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gshang at uq.net.au Fri Apr 6 04:53:09 2001 From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:53:09 +1000 (EST) Subject: [icecast] bitrate for slow modems In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010406081218.034ddea0@mailhost.capmon.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, John Griffiths wrote: > ok so 24kbps for 56k modems... > > can i go any lower and get the 28 k modems? (still a lot of them about) or will 24 be good enough fo that? As others have said, 16kbps should do the trick. Keep in mind though that the quality of the sound will also depend on the sampling rate. MP3 will handle some higher sampling rates higher than some of the lame defaults. For example, 16kbps 11khz mono sounds very reasonable. At 24kbps, either 22khz mono or 11khz stereo sound pretty good, though the latter is a bit iffy under lame. At least with 24kbps however, these aren't the lame defaults. Mono will give you 16khz and stereo gives you a lowly 8khz (yuck!). You can get lame to do higher sampling rates by using the resample argument rather than letting it decide where to resample to. You can also improve sound quality by fiddling with the lowpass filter (IMHO, it can be a bit conservative and can do with being raised a bit at times). As a final tip, if you're encoding in mono, try out the experimental voice mode, it might actually make things sound better (e.g. 24kbps 22khz mono with --voice sounds pretty good). Geoff. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gshang at uq.net.au Fri Apr 6 04:55:51 2001 From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 14:55:51 +1000 (EST) Subject: [icecast] Icecast & Liveice b.s. In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010405113109.00a65e30@pop.oh.verio.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 5 Apr 2001, john wrote: > I have my playlist. I havent seen any documentation on how to setup this darn > thing. I do not have a soundcard on my Alpha hopefully the Alpha > port of mpg123 does not require one! OK, maybe I'm dense. You have no soundcard. thus, you will not be mixing on the fly or anything as you won't be able to hear it. So why are you using liveice? Geoff. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Fri Apr 6 05:11:23 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 15:11:23 +1000 Subject: [icecast] bitrate for slow modems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010406151123.02dd8100@mailhost.capmon.com> total smeggin genius witched them over to mono and much happier.... At 02:53 PM 4/6/2001 +1000, you wrote: >On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, John Griffiths wrote: > >> ok so 24kbps for 56k modems... >> >> can i go any lower and get the 28 k modems? (still a lot of them about) or will 24 be good enough fo that? > >As others have said, 16kbps should do the trick. Keep in mind though that >the quality of the sound will also depend on the sampling rate. MP3 will >handle some higher sampling rates higher than some of the lame defaults. >For example, 16kbps 11khz mono sounds very reasonable. At 24kbps, either >22khz mono or 11khz stereo sound pretty good, though the latter is a bit >iffy under lame. At least with 24kbps however, these aren't the lame >defaults. Mono will give you 16khz and stereo gives you a lowly 8khz >(yuck!). You can get lame to do higher sampling rates by using the >resample argument rather than letting it decide where to resample to. You >can also improve sound quality by fiddling with the lowpass filter (IMHO, >it can be a bit conservative and can do with being raised a bit at times). >As a final tip, if you're encoding in mono, try out the experimental voice >mode, it might actually make things sound better (e.g. 24kbps 22khz mono >with --voice sounds pretty good). > >Geoff. > > > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From mjs at blitz-technology.net Fri Apr 6 06:55:49 2001 From: mjs at blitz-technology.net (Mitchell) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 16:55:49 +1000 Subject: [icecast] mp3 retag Message-ID: <20010406165549.A16845@blitz-technology.net> Hi, another quick question, has anyone written a small script to save a .tag file for each mp3, so taht after re-encoding a directory of mp3 files say down to 56k, the original id3 tags can be restored? If so can you send me a url to the download? thanks -- Mitchell Smith Blitz Technology mjs at blitz-technology.net God is real, unless declared as an integer. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From smoerk at gmx.de Fri Apr 6 07:43:51 2001 From: smoerk at gmx.de (smoerk at gmx.de) Date: Fri, 06 Apr 2001 09:43:51 +0200 Subject: [icecast] icecast 2 bug: reconnecting source Message-ID: <20010406064252.AD56E18D017@motherfish.xiph.org> hi, if i reconnect the source stream to the icecast 2 server i cannot play the stream, because the player gets no data. this is a known bug, but when will this be fixed? it's very important, because i would like to use vorbis streaming in an sound installation. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Fri Apr 6 09:00:17 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 02:00:17 -0700 Subject: [icecast] icecast 2 bug: reconnecting source In-Reply-To: <20010406064252.AD56E18D017@motherfish.xiph.org> Message-ID: <20010406020017.I26328@tk421.icecast.org> > if i reconnect the source stream to the icecast 2 server i cannot play > the stream, because the player gets no data. this is a known bug, but > when will this be fixed? it's very important, because i would like to > use vorbis streaming in an sound installation. I didn't know about this bug. I'll try and reproduce here tomorrow. It should be easy to fix. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From hhahn at gilman.dhs.org Fri Apr 6 09:40:34 2001 From: hhahn at gilman.dhs.org (Harry) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 02:40:34 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Simple directory question In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010403153503.00a20110@omphoulos> Message-ID: >However, we've disappeared from yp.icecast.org as far as I can tell. > >Looking in the logfile, I see the following:- > >[03/Apr/2001:15:30:49] >[1:Calendar Thread] directory_touch_xa([yp.icecast.org:80]) >completed...server id = 69 >Other info: I'm using streamcast I've been meaning to follow up to a similar post I made a few weeks back, so this seems like a good time. I didn't get any definitive answers, but based on some responses, I did some digging. It turns out, from what I can tell, streamcast doesn't send bitrate information. Here's the changes I made in the part of the code so that it does: 182c188,189 < icy_compat => 0, --- > icy_compat => 1, > bitrate => $bitrate, This is for v0.8 as indicated at the top of streamcast.pl. Once I did this, all was well and icecast really started listing my stream! And it gets even better: I had also inquired about getting listed at yp.shoutcast.com. With the change above, I went from this: [yp.shoutcast.com:80]) failed... directory server error #3... (retry in 1325 seconds) to this (which I expected): ([yp.shoutcast.com:80]) failed... directory server error #404... (retry in -1 seconds) but subsequently, for reasons I can't explain, I then saw this: ([yp.shoutcast.com:80]) completed...server id = 4765964 and now I see regular directory touches completing succesfully. So now I'm listed on yp.shoutcast.com as well. The increase in listeners has been dramatic (anything is dramatic from zero :) ). I'm afraid to restart the stream now, lest I lose the listing. Anyway, you might try making the change to streamcast.pl mentioned above (I'm not completely sure about that icy_compat bit, but I'm not messin' with it). I'm guessing that'll clear up getting listed on yp.icecast. I'd also like to make a general recommendation for streamcast, which isn't mentioned much on this list. Since moving from liveice to it (I had zero luck with ices), I've had nothing but smoothing sailing- it re-encodes, it stays up, is easy for me to hack (my perl is way better than my C, though that's not saying much), and has a nifty request mechanism that was simple for me to integrate into my website. There's also a version that integrates with a database (MySQL, if memory serves). If you're looking for a new streamer, you might want to check it out: -Harry (just a happy user) --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From vancleef at microunity.com Fri Apr 6 16:07:00 2001 From: vancleef at microunity.com (Bob Van Cleef) Date: Fri, 6 Apr 2001 09:07:00 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] relaying through live365.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Has anyone been succesful using live365 as a relay for icecast and getting listed in the various directories? What would be neat is having a listing in the directories that would either send the listeners straight to live365 or to a page on my web server that would redirect them to live365. Being able to support 365 listeners is a lot better than being able to support 3 or 4... I've been relaying through live365 for over a year now and they have really become a real nice, stable service. The only outages have been from my end of the link. Bob --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From scott at myplay.com Thu Apr 5 14:30:00 2001 From: scott at myplay.com (Scott Manley) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 07:30:00 -0700 Subject: [icecast] OK, am I missing something ?? In-Reply-To: <1678.62.30.66.38.986423211.squirrel@filmsat59.com> Message-ID: <3ACC8168.84C77D3A@myplay.com> Is this winamp 2.73? They added a seek 'feature' which screws up icecast streams - it also screws up myplay.winamp.com streams so they're going to fix it. -- Scott Manley (AKA Szyzyg) Streaming Media Hacker www.myplay.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From scott at myplay.com Thu Apr 5 16:16:01 2001 From: scott at myplay.com (Scott Manley) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 09:16:01 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Icecast & Liveice b.s. In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010405113109.00a65e30@pop.oh.verio.com> Message-ID: <3ACC9A41.918B508D@myplay.com> For legal reasons the liveice package doesn't actually include an mp3 encoder - it needs a seperate program (such as LAME) to do the encoding. -- Scott Manley (AKA Szyzyg) Streaming Media Hacker www.myplay.com See me at Bombshelter - 5 Hours, 5 DJ's, 5 Styles http://www.geocities.com/bombsheltersf --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From scott at myplay.com Thu Apr 5 14:27:31 2001 From: scott at myplay.com (Scott Manley) Date: Thu, 05 Apr 2001 07:27:31 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Icecast & Liveice b.s. In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010405014750.00a454f0@pop.oh.verio.com> Message-ID: <3ACC80D3.3D576A79@myplay.com> The last time I looked there were a load of problems with Icecast on the Alpha, although, I know I could get liveice to work. What OS is this alpha running? -- Scott Manley (AKA Szyzyg) Streaming Media Hacker www.myplay.com See me at Bombshelter - 5 Hours, 5 DJ's, 5 Styles http://www.geocities.com/bombsheltersf --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From mjp at filmsat59.com Sat Apr 7 09:26:01 2001 From: mjp at filmsat59.com (Mike Prudence) Date: Sat, 07 Apr 2001 10:26:01 +0100 Subject: [icecast] Simple directory question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.0.20010407102315.00a22850@omphoulos> At 02:40 06/04/01 -0700, Harry wrote: >It turns out, from what I can tell, streamcast doesn't send bitrate >information. Here's the changes I made in the part of the code so that it does: > >182c188,189 >< icy_compat => 0, >--- > > icy_compat => 1, > > bitrate => $bitrate, Well, how weird is this, eh ? Thanks for the tip, Harry. I made the change, and now my stream is fine (no stuttering, no clicks, pops, bangs or crackles) but it didn't help me get a listing on any of the directory servers I'm trying! So, I've now got a good stream, but I've lost all my listeners. I'll keep prodding. In the meantime, does anyone actually know what this means.... directory_touch_xa([yp.icecast.org:80]) completed...server id = 69 Is this success or failure? Is there someone on the list who helps run the iceast directory who can answer this question ??? Cheers, Mike. mjp at filmsat59.com http://www.filmsat59.com Films at 59 Ltd, 59 Cotham Hill, Bristol. BS6 6JR ENGLAND +44 117 906 4300 --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gshang at uq.net.au Sat Apr 7 07:22:07 2001 From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang) Date: Sat, 7 Apr 2001 17:22:07 +1000 (EST) Subject: [icecast] relaying through live365.com In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Fri, 6 Apr 2001, Bob Van Cleef wrote: > I've been relaying through live365 for over a year now and they have > really become a real nice, stable service. The only outages have been > from my end of the link. Except today, presumably. For those who don't know and actually care, live365 has a scheduled outage from midnight Saturday to midnight Sunday (Pacific time), that's 7GMT Saturday to 7GMT Sunday. Live365 are generally an OK service, though their automated ads at the start of streams can cause problems if their systems are dumb enough to serve an ad at a different format than the stream that is to follow it. Geoff. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From harvey at buskers.org Wed Apr 4 00:43:13 2001 From: harvey at buskers.org (harvey smith) Date: Tue, 3 Apr 2001 20:43:13 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <3.0.5.32.20010404083955.03be94a0@mailhost.capmon.com> Message-ID: On Wed, 4 Apr 2001, John Griffiths wrote: > I just want to stream a set of mp3 files so that folks on modems can > hear them using winamp or (in a perfect world) RealPlayer. Should be not much problem. > i've set up an old 486 running debian 2.2r2 using the debian icecast > packages (shout doing the streaming). I would use Ices to do the streaming. > I understand that a better streamer might help. will such a streamer > run on such an old machine? Ices should run fine. > are there any binaries for such a newer streamer? Probably, I don't know debian though... > would re-encoding my mp3's to a lower bitrate help? whats a good > bitrate for modem users? YES. for modem users (56K) a 32kbps stream will work, 40kbps maybe, but not reliable. If you need slower modems (28K) you need to go down to 16kbps, but that will sound real crappy (IMO) unless maybe for talk and not music. Re-encode ahead of time, Ices has a feature so you could reencode on-the-fly but a 486 will not have the power to do that. Hope that helps. Harvey --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From tim at nvhs.nl Sun Apr 8 01:34:15 2001 From: tim at nvhs.nl (tim) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 03:34:15 +0200 Subject: [icecast] newbie help -- WARNING: Connect to yp.icecast.org failed. Message-ID: <20010408033415.A24478@xs4all.nl> hello, as in the subject, I can't figure out how I can send my info to other yp's. for all yp.'s, I get connection errors. What would be nice would be a working sample config file. The sample config file from Radio Free NJ I couldn't get, since it appeared that the site is down. error message's in the console: -> [08/Apr/2001:03:22:43] WARNING: Connect to yp.icecast.org failed. -> [08/Apr/2001:03:22:58] WARNING: Connect to yp.mp3.de failed. -> [08/Apr/2001:03:23:13] directory_add([yp.breakfree.com:80]) failed, could not connect. (retry in 0 seconds) -> [08/Apr/2001:03:23:13] directory_add([yp.musicseek.net:80]) failed, could not connect. (retry in 0 seconds) -> [08/Apr/2001:03:23:28] directory_add([yp.radiostation.de:80]) failed, could not connect. (retry in 0 seconds) -> [08/Apr/2001:03:23:43] directory_add([yp.shoutcast.com:80]) failed, could not connect. (retry in 0 seconds) and when it tries for yp.icecast,org and yp.mp3.de, the stream freezes up. with shoutcast I couldn't get any listing either. I'm using: icecast: 1.3.10 liveice: whatever the latest is System/OS: Debian, Potato cheers, t. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From hhahn at gilman.dhs.org Mon Apr 9 07:58:00 2001 From: hhahn at gilman.dhs.org (Harry) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 00:58:00 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Simple directory question In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.0.20010407102315.00a22850@omphoulos> Message-ID: >In the meantime, does anyone actually know what this means.... > >directory_touch_xa([yp.icecast.org:80]) completed...server id = 69 I don't know what it means, but I got the same message as you (including server id number) whether I was getting listed or not. What's your streamcast command, btw? I wonder if something there is causing the problem. -Harry --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From mark at knm.org Mon Apr 9 02:19:57 2001 From: mark at knm.org (Mark Lehrer) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 20:19:57 -0600 Subject: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <00ed01c0bdfe$cfd8ab00$6800000a@billnew> Message-ID: <200104090219.UAA13042@home.knm.org> > www.shoutcast.com). And - at least with MP3 - there is a *big* > difference in sound quality between 96k & 128k. You might want to compare different encoders. From what I have read, lame and its derivatives are great for 128 and higher, and the fraunhofer is good for sub-128, and Xing is always the worst. YMMV of course. Mark --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From mark at knm.org Mon Apr 9 02:25:05 2001 From: mark at knm.org (Mark Lehrer) Date: Sun, 8 Apr 2001 20:25:05 -0600 Subject: [icecast] Too many "too many errors" In-Reply-To: <20010405185628.B26328@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <200104090225.UAA13107@home.knm.org> > In src/sock.c line 533, replace the original line (return n;) with > this: > > return (t==0) ? n : t; > > This will not help you if your client is legitimately not able to > receive data fast enough, but should correct the stuttering. > > If you want more information, or a "proper" patch, let me know. Didn't I apply this patch to cvs? Not sure, I'm still on 1.3.10 (as was the person I sent the patch to). Thanks, Mark --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From wildbill at kpig.com Mon Apr 9 14:38:55 2001 From: wildbill at kpig.com (William Goldsmith) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 07:38:55 -0700 Subject: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <200104090219.UAA13042@home.knm.org> Message-ID: <006e01c0c102$cf20c2e0$6800000a@billnew> > > www.shoutcast.com). And - at least with MP3 - there is a *big* > > difference in sound quality between 96k & 128k. > > You might want to compare different encoders. From what I have > read, lame and its derivatives are great for 128 and higher, and > the fraunhofer is good for sub-128, and Xing is always the worst. > Xing actually does an excellent job at high bitrates (192k+), but starts to suck at 128k. I've found that the Fraunhofer 'low bitrate advantage' doesn't really kick in noticeably until you go below 64k. Lame seems to hit a particular 'sour spot' at 56k, and Fraunhofer 56k streams are noticeably brighter & less 'artifacted'. Yes, Fraunhofer at 96k & 112k is better than Lame - but neither codec seems to be optimized for that range. What I've heard of Vorbis at 96k sounds very promising, though still a step below a good 128k mp3. I'm wondering if anyone has compared Vorbis & MP4 at 64k & 96k? The only MP4 stuff I've heard at those bitrates is from Microsoft's bastardized flavor of the MP4 codec - and Vorbis wins hands down IMHO. -bg --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From shag_bot at yahoo.com Mon Apr 9 18:40:48 2001 From: shag_bot at yahoo.com (Darin Isola) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 11:40:48 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] Compiling ices help needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010409184048.26580.qmail@web4601.mail.yahoo.com> Howdy, Im looking for some help on getting ices to compile with lame support. My goal is to get it compiled to I can do on the fly re-encoding. My problem.. When I run make on ices, I get the following error.... Making all in xml make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/ices-0.0.1.beta5/src/xml' gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -I.. -I../../libshout -I/usr/src/lame3.70 -I/usr/include/libxml -I/usr/include -g -O2 -Wall -c parse.c rm -f libicesxml.a ar cru libicesxml.a parse.o ranlib libicesxml.a make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/ices-0.0.1.beta5/src/xml' make[3]: Entering directory `/usr/src/ices-0.0.1.beta5/src' gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../resolver -I../thread -I../libshout -I/usr/src/lame3.70 -I/usr/include/libxml -I/usr/include -g -O2 -Wall -c log.c gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../resolver -I../thread -I../libshout -I/usr/src/lame3.70 -I/usr/include/libxml -I/usr/include -g -O2 -Wall -c setup.c gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../resolver -I../thread -I../libshout -I/usr/src/lame3.70 -I/usr/include/libxml -I/usr/include -g -O2 -Wall -c ices.c gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../resolver -I../thread -I../libshout -I/usr/src/lame3.70 -I/usr/include/libxml -I/usr/include -g -O2 -Wall -c stream.c gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../resolver -I../thread -I../libshout -I/usr/src/lame3.70 -I/usr/include/libxml -I/usr/include -g -O2 -Wall -c util.c gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../resolver -I../thread -I../libshout -I/usr/src/lame3.70 -I/usr/include/libxml -I/usr/include -g -O2 -Wall -c playlist.c gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../resolver -I../thread -I../libshout -I/usr/src/lame3.70 -I/usr/include/libxml -I/usr/include -g -O2 -Wall -c dj.c gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../resolver -I../thread -I../libshout -I/usr/src/lame3.70 -I/usr/include/libxml -I/usr/include -g -O2 -Wall -c mp3.c gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../resolver -I../thread -I../libshout -I/usr/src/lame3.70 -I/usr/include/libxml -I/usr/include -g -O2 -Wall -c cue.c gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../resolver -I../thread -I../libshout -I/usr/src/lame3.70 -I/usr/include/libxml -I/usr/include -g -O2 -Wall -c id3.c gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../resolver -I../thread -I../libshout -I/usr/src/lame3.70 -I/usr/include/libxml -I/usr/include -g -O2 -Wall -c signals.c gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../resolver -I../thread -I../libshout -I/usr/src/lame3.70 -I/usr/include/libxml -I/usr/include -g -O2 -Wall -c reencode.c reencode.c: In function `ices_reencode_initialize': reencode.c:46: void value not ignored as it ought to be reencode.c:60: void value not ignored as it ought to be reencode.c: In function `ices_reencode_reset': reencode.c:97: void value not ignored as it ought to be reencode.c:113: void value not ignored as it ought to be make[3]: *** [reencode.o] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/ices-0.0.1.beta5/src' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/ices-0.0.1.beta5/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/ices-0.0.1.beta5' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 ----------------------------------------------------- This is my configure line... ./configure --with-lame=yes --with-lame-includes=/usr/src/lame3.70 --with-lame-libraries=/usr/src/lame3.70 Im using.. lame 3.70 (compiled with no GTK support) ices 0.0.1.beta5 libxml2 2.3.5-1 libxml2-dev 2.3.5-1 This is a debian dist, kernel 2.2.17 Thanks for any help you guys can give me, -darin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From austad at marketwatch.com Mon Apr 9 21:14:34 2001 From: austad at marketwatch.com (Austad, Jay) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 16:14:34 -0500 Subject: copies of RE: [icecast] what I'd like to do Message-ID: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097BB@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Why do I have a couple hundred copies of this email? Are others on the list getting multiple copies? I've gotten a copy every hour and 20 minutes since 4/5. They're being sent from the listserver too: Received: from motherfish.xiph.org (olive-22.wheatrick.com [207.181.249.22]) by mspexch1.office.mktw.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail Service Version 5.5.2653.13) id 2NA2CT2G; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:01:14 -0500 Received: by motherfish.xiph.org (Postfix) id 4E14F18D037; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: icecast-outgoing at xiph.org Received: by motherfish.xiph.org (Postfix, from userid 30) id 35D1518D038; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:24:07 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: icecast at xiph.org Received: from tk421.icecast.org (shredder.sneakyninja.com [64.205.251.194]) by motherfish.xiph.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9976818D037 for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:24:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by tk421.icecast.org (Postfix, from userid 500) id 8CBD310ADDC; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:57:04 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:57:04 -0700 From: Jack Moffitt To: icecast at xiph.org Subject: Re: [icecast] what I'd like to do Message-ID: <20010404165704.D12852 at tk421.icecast.org> Mail-Followup-To: Jack Moffitt , icecast at xiph.org References: <3.0.5.32.20010404095031.03884770 at mailhost.capmon.com> <200104041801.f34I1CH08698 at ryoko.chrispy.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i In-Reply-To: <200104041801.f34I1CH08698 at ryoko.chrispy.net>; from chrisp at ryoko.chrispy.net on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 01:01:12PM -0500 Sender: owner-icecast at xiph.org Precedence: bulk Reply-To: icecast at xiph.org > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack Moffitt [mailto:jack at icecast.org] > Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2001 6:57 PM > To: icecast at xiph.org > Subject: Re: [icecast] what I'd like to do > > > > > > > > the bitrate on the mp3's is 128 (great for listening off the HD) > > > > > > whats a good bitrate to encode for streaming audio? > > > > I think this might be the problem 128kbps isn't going to > work over a modem. > > > > I think 24kbps is probably the pratical limit for 56k > modems. 56k modems might > > be able to get a 32kbps stream but only under optimal conditions. > > I believe he said the outgoing stream was two 128k ISDN lines, which > from my ISDN memory I remember as actually having a 112k > throughput (the > other channel being used for signalling, etc). Since you can > only push > packets out one at a time with a single tcp connection (i > think) 128 is > definately not going to make it out, even if the one possible listener > could receive data that fast. > > So a lower bitrate is most certainly necessary. 24kbps is a > good one to > choose if you're interested in modem listeners. A lot of people like > 56k but I don't think they realize that most people with 56k > modems get > more like 40k throughput or so. I think going higher than 100k is > fairly wasteful. > > jack. > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No > subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Mon Apr 9 22:25:19 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:25:19 -0700 Subject: copies of RE: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <7402C6826C67B547A7F1870FCB4D5F6F1097BB@mspexch1.office.mktw.net> Message-ID: <20010409152519.M32142@tk421.icecast.org> I'm not getting copies of it, so I don't think it's going to the entire list. Is your mailserver accepting mail, but saying it's down? Are you getting copies of other messages? I suppose this could be a result of the mailservers's moving. Can anyone else confirm that they do or do not get copies of emails every 20 minutes? If it's just you, then it will help track it down. jack. On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:14:34PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: > Why do I have a couple hundred copies of this email? Are others on the list > getting multiple copies? I've gotten a copy every hour and 20 minutes since > 4/5. > > They're being sent from the listserver too: > Received: from motherfish.xiph.org (olive-22.wheatrick.com [207.181.249.22]) > by mspexch1.office.mktw.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail > Service Version 5.5.2653.13) > id 2NA2CT2G; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:01:14 -0500 > Received: by motherfish.xiph.org (Postfix) > id 4E14F18D037; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:24:07 -0700 (PDT) > Delivered-To: icecast-outgoing at xiph.org > Received: by motherfish.xiph.org (Postfix, from userid 30) > id 35D1518D038; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:24:07 -0700 (PDT) > Delivered-To: icecast at xiph.org > Received: from tk421.icecast.org (shredder.sneakyninja.com [64.205.251.194]) > by motherfish.xiph.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9976818D037 > for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:24:05 -0700 (PDT) > Received: by tk421.icecast.org (Postfix, from userid 500) > id 8CBD310ADDC; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:57:04 -0700 (PDT) > Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:57:04 -0700 > From: Jack Moffitt > To: icecast at xiph.org > Subject: Re: [icecast] what I'd like to do > Message-ID: <20010404165704.D12852 at tk421.icecast.org> > Mail-Followup-To: Jack Moffitt , icecast at xiph.org > References: <3.0.5.32.20010404095031.03884770 at mailhost.capmon.com> > <200104041801.f34I1CH08698 at ryoko.chrispy.net> > Mime-Version: 1.0 > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i > In-Reply-To: <200104041801.f34I1CH08698 at ryoko.chrispy.net>; from > chrisp at ryoko.chrispy.net on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 01:01:12PM -0500 > Sender: owner-icecast at xiph.org > Precedence: bulk > Reply-To: icecast at xiph.org > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From mark at knm.org Mon Apr 9 09:27:54 2001 From: mark at knm.org (Mark Lehrer) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 03:27:54 -0600 Subject: copies of RE: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <20010409152519.M32142@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <200104090927.DAA17888@home.knm.org> I'm not getting multiple copies either. Mark I'm not getting copies of it, so I don't think it's going to the entire list. Is your mailserver accepting mail, but saying it's down? Are you getting copies of other messages? I suppose this could be a result of the mailservers's moving. Can anyone else confirm that they do or do not get copies of emails every 20 minutes? If it's just you, then it will help track it down. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From wildbill at kpig.com Mon Apr 9 22:30:01 2001 From: wildbill at kpig.com (William Goldsmith) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:30:01 -0700 Subject: copies of RE: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <20010409152519.M32142@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <011f01c0c144$9e2d9c20$6800000a@billnew> No multiples here, either > I suppose this could be a result of the mailservers's moving. Can > anyone else confirm that they do or do not get copies of emails every 20 > minutes? > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From k_myers at kyxpyx.com Mon Apr 9 22:25:44 2001 From: k_myers at kyxpyx.com (Kelly Lee Myers) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 15:25:44 -0700 Subject: copies of RE: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <011f01c0c144$9e2d9c20$6800000a@billnew> Message-ID: <005201c0c144$04bd0fd0$a0727118@lithium> I think its just the same subject line. Are the messages actually repeats or no?? Cause everyone of them that has come across here has a different bit of information in it continuing the discussion. In other words, no repeats here either. Lithium ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Goldsmith" To: Sent: Monday, April 09, 2001 3:30 PM Subject: Re: copies of RE: [icecast] what I'd like to do > No multiples here, either > > > I suppose this could be a result of the mailservers's moving. Can > > anyone else confirm that they do or do not get copies of emails every 20 > > minutes? > > > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Mon Apr 9 23:00:24 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 09:00:24 +1000 Subject: copies of RE: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <20010409152519.M32142@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010410090024.031e9ab0@mailhost.capmon.com> no problems here At 03:25 PM 4/9/2001 -0700, Jack Moffitt wrote: >I'm not getting copies of it, so I don't think it's going to the entire >list. > >Is your mailserver accepting mail, but saying it's down? Are you >getting copies of other messages? > >I suppose this could be a result of the mailservers's moving. Can >anyone else confirm that they do or do not get copies of emails every 20 >minutes? > >If it's just you, then it will help track it down. > >jack. > >On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 04:14:34PM -0500, Austad, Jay wrote: >> Why do I have a couple hundred copies of this email? Are others on the list >> getting multiple copies? I've gotten a copy every hour and 20 minutes since >> 4/5. >> >> They're being sent from the listserver too: >> Received: from motherfish.xiph.org (olive-22.wheatrick.com [207.181.249.22]) >> by mspexch1.office.mktw.net with SMTP (Microsoft Exchange Internet Mail >> Service Version 5.5.2653.13) >> id 2NA2CT2G; Mon, 9 Apr 2001 08:01:14 -0500 >> Received: by motherfish.xiph.org (Postfix) >> id 4E14F18D037; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:24:07 -0700 (PDT) >> Delivered-To: icecast-outgoing at xiph.org >> Received: by motherfish.xiph.org (Postfix, from userid 30) >> id 35D1518D038; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:24:07 -0700 (PDT) >> Delivered-To: icecast at xiph.org >> Received: from tk421.icecast.org (shredder.sneakyninja.com [64.205.251.194]) >> by motherfish.xiph.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9976818D037 >> for ; Thu, 5 Apr 2001 10:24:05 -0700 (PDT) >> Received: by tk421.icecast.org (Postfix, from userid 500) >> id 8CBD310ADDC; Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:57:04 -0700 (PDT) >> Date: Wed, 4 Apr 2001 16:57:04 -0700 >> From: Jack Moffitt >> To: icecast at xiph.org >> Subject: Re: [icecast] what I'd like to do >> Message-ID: <20010404165704.D12852 at tk421.icecast.org> >> Mail-Followup-To: Jack Moffitt , icecast at xiph.org >> References: <3.0.5.32.20010404095031.03884770 at mailhost.capmon.com> >> <200104041801.f34I1CH08698 at ryoko.chrispy.net> >> Mime-Version: 1.0 >> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii >> Content-Disposition: inline >> User-Agent: Mutt/1.2.5i >> In-Reply-To: <200104041801.f34I1CH08698 at ryoko.chrispy.net>; from >> chrisp at ryoko.chrispy.net on Wed, Apr 04, 2001 at 01:01:12PM -0500 >> Sender: owner-icecast at xiph.org >> Precedence: bulk >> Reply-To: icecast at xiph.org >> > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From un at king.dom.de Mon Apr 9 23:07:39 2001 From: un at king.dom.de (un) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:07:39 +0200 Subject: copies of RE: [icecast] what I'd like to do In-Reply-To: <011f01c0c144$9e2d9c20$6800000a@billnew> Message-ID: <20010410010739.B6426@king.dom.de> William Goldsmith: > No multiples here, either > > > I suppose this could be a result of the mailservers's moving. Can > > anyone else confirm that they do or do not get copies of emails every 20 > > minutes? > > all ok here, uno --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From szoth at ubertechnique.com Tue Apr 10 04:15:26 2001 From: szoth at ubertechnique.com (Seth de l'Isle) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 21:15:26 -0700 Subject: [icecast] unwanted oper login Message-ID: <20010409211526.B22080@maize.2720.net> Hi all, I help administer a Linux(RH6.1) box running icecast 1.3.5. I'm going to go ahead and upgrade to 1.3.10 shortly. Recently a user from a strange(to us) dial-in account logged in as operator and issued a shutdown command. I changed the passwords to see if someone in our group had let it out, but the same thing happened two days latter. I'm trying to figure out how this was done, so I can decide whether we should consider the whole system compromised, or if perhaps there is another machine on the LAN that's been compromised and used to sniff us out. Thanks! --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From steve.smith at isay.com.au Tue Apr 10 04:57:12 2001 From: steve.smith at isay.com.au (Steve Smith) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 14:57:12 +1000 Subject: [icecast] unwanted oper login In-Reply-To: <20010409211526.B22080@maize.2720.net> Message-ID: <15058.37544.942620.242073@forge.int.isay.com.au> > I'm trying to figure out how this was done, so I can decide whether > we should consider the whole system compromised, or if perhaps there > is another machine on the LAN that's been compromised and used to > sniff us out. You should never send cleartext passwords across the network. Unfortunately, icecast encourages this behaviour. A much safer way to administer the box you should ssh into it and telnet to localhost. To encourage this you should restrict admin logins to the localhost by putting the following in your /etc/hosts.deny. icecast_admin: ALL EXCEPT 127.0.0.1 Using crypt passwords may help if you need to telnet remotely, but cracking crypt is fairly trivial unless you use MD5 passwords. Ideally it would be good if icecast supported challenge/response logins, possibly through SASL. I've been pondering this recently, but I don't know enough about icecast yet to see how it would fit in. Cheers, Steve --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From primus at veris.org Tue Apr 10 05:02:39 2001 From: primus at veris.org (Ethan Butterfield) Date: Mon, 9 Apr 2001 22:02:39 -0700 Subject: [icecast] unwanted oper login In-Reply-To: <20010409211526.B22080@maize.2720.net> Message-ID: <20010409220239.A29903@veris.org> -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Mon, Apr 09, 2001 at 09:15:26PM -0700, Seth de l'Isle wrote: > I'm trying to figure out how this was done, so I can decide whether we should > consider the whole system compromised, or if perhaps there is another machine > on the LAN that's been compromised and used to sniff us out. First off, you should not be allowing global access to the admin port of the icecast server. Either firewall it off, or use TCP wrappers on the port, and lock it down to only the IPs you want to allow admin access to. Better yet, disable remote access entirely and only allow telnets in from the local machine. That way, if you're on console or ssh into the box, no one can sniff the network traffic and pull the plaintext password out of the stream. The fact that this person got in even after the password was changed suggests that he either has local network access and has been sniffing passwords, or he has access to the machine itself and is pulling the password out of the icecast.conf file. Check the server for obvious signs of a rootkit (foreign entries in /etc/inetd.conf, system binaries with creation dates in the recent past [i.e., after system creation], daemons running on wierd ports), and pray it's not a kernel module hack. If the point-of-entry is not easily discernable, firewall off the IP block of the dialup account and sniff traffic looking for anything martian. It is never a good idea to rely solely on the built-in authentication scheme of any program, especially one with text in the clear. (If I could code, I'd be working on an OpenSSL-based admin console for icecast...) - -- "If this is Paradise, I wish I had a lawnmower." - Talking Heads, "Nothing But Flowers" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE60pPv36NTGsm+2Z4RApd4AKCG44tsvSx4zkRKBfrcLNGvenUrBgCglLi9 4SL01mdTPsovmnhPu95bVts= =dlhA -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From noldenburg at ctberlin.de Tue Apr 10 05:58:09 2001 From: noldenburg at ctberlin.de (Nils Christian Oldenburg) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 07:58:09 +0200 Subject: AW: [icecast] Compiling ices help needed In-Reply-To: <20010409184048.26580.qmail@web4601.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: hi .... ive got the same problem, and try another lame , 3.86beta works fine for me !! gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../resolver -I../thread -I../libshout -I/usr/src/lame3.70 -I/usr/include/libxml -I/usr/include -g -O2 -Wall -c reencode.c reencode.c: In function `ices_reencode_initialize': reencode.c:46: void value not ignored as it ought to be reencode.c:60: void value not ignored as it ought to be reencode.c: In function `ices_reencode_reset': reencode.c:97: void value not ignored as it ought to be reencode.c:113: void value not ignored as it ought to be make[3]: *** [reencode.o] Error 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/ices-0.0.1.beta5/src' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/ices-0.0.1.beta5/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/usr/src/ices-0.0.1.beta5' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 ----------------------------------------------------- This is my configure line... ./configure --with-lame=yes --with-lame-includes=/usr/src/lame3.70 --with-lame-libraries=/usr/src/lame3.70 Im using.. lame 3.70 (compiled with no GTK support) ices 0.0.1.beta5 libxml2 2.3.5-1 libxml2-dev 2.3.5-1 This is a debian dist, kernel 2.2.17 Thanks for any help you guys can give me, -darin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Tue Apr 10 08:27:09 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 01:27:09 -0700 Subject: [icecast] unwanted oper login In-Reply-To: <20010409211526.B22080@maize.2720.net> Message-ID: <20010410012709.A1460@tk421.icecast.org> > I'm trying to figure out how this was done, so I can decide whether we should > consider the whole system compromised, or if perhaps there is another machine > on the LAN that's been compromised and used to sniff us out. Ah, this points to a potentially serious problem. I'm not aware of any problems with the oper login code that would allow you to bypass the password. Oper passwords are sent in the clear. Sniffing on a LAN will get them, unless you're on a switch. In that case, sniffing on the local machine will get them. Oper passwords are stored in the clear in a file that more than likely is world readable. If a user has access to login, they can probably read it. It's possible someone compromised this system, or a system on your network. It's possible they did this through bugs in icecast. But, there are ways to figure out who they are and where they come from, and just how they are doing what they are doing. Can't help much unless we get more information. You could try changing the password, and monitoring logins, to see if they are coming in through an account. You could try upgrading icecast and see if they were coming in that way. The only good way to tell if you've been compromised is by comparing file hashes. Check things like 'who', and 'ps', and 'login', and 'bash', etc, to see if they've been modified. Considering installing tripwire (www.tripwire.org) on all systems to detect these kinds of problems. Some network monitoring will tell you how they are doing it as well. And where they are coming from (hopefully). I wish you luck. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jpap at unipi.gr Tue Apr 10 08:54:00 2001 From: jpap at unipi.gr (thalis) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 11:54:00 +0300 Subject: [icecast] jpap Message-ID: <3AD2CA28.9A439691@thalis.cs.unipi.gr> No problems here either --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From thomas at arkena.com Tue Apr 10 08:57:37 2001 From: thomas at arkena.com (Thomas Kirk) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 10:57:37 +0200 Subject: [icecast] jpap In-Reply-To: <3AD2CA28.9A439691@thalis.cs.unipi.gr> Message-ID: <20010410105737.B14207@mmstreaming.dk> On Tue, Apr 10, 2001 at 11:54:00AM +0300, thalis wrote: no problems here either -- Venlig hilsen/Kind regards Thomas Kirk thomas at arkena.com http://www.arkena.com NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION! --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From deivu at tomigaya.shibuya.tokyo.jp Tue Apr 10 18:15:30 2001 From: deivu at tomigaya.shibuya.tokyo.jp (David Moles) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 03:15:30 +0900 (JST) Subject: [icecast] "no encoder" error Message-ID: <20010410181530.ADD393E14@mail.tomigaya.shibuya.tokyo.jp> Hi. I've just got icecast set up and I'm trying to stream using shout. That much seems to be working -- the shout console displays the filenames from the playlist, gradually prints out a line of dots, etc., etc., while the icecast console shows "accepted encoder on mountpoint /default". However, when I try to connect using freeamp, I get [] Kicking unknown n [] [No encoder], connected for 0 seconds I've tried all of the following in freeamp: http:// name>/ http:// name>:8000/ http:// name>:8000/default http:// name>:8000/default/ Any guesses what I'm doing wrong? --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From shag_bot at yahoo.com Tue Apr 10 20:48:04 2001 From: shag_bot at yahoo.com (Darin Isola) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 13:48:04 -0700 (PDT) Subject: AW: [icecast] Compiling ices help needed In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010410204804.5780.qmail@web4602.mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Nils, that was the problem! -Darin --- Nils Christian Oldenburg wrote: > hi .... > ive got the same problem, and try another lame , > 3.86beta works fine for me > !! > > > gcc -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I.. -I../resolver > -I../thread -I../libshout -I/usr/src/lame3.70 > -I/usr/include/libxml -I/usr/include -g -O2 -Wall > -c > reencode.c > reencode.c: In function `ices_reencode_initialize': > reencode.c:46: void value not ignored as it ought to > be > reencode.c:60: void value not ignored as it ought to > be > reencode.c: In function `ices_reencode_reset': > reencode.c:97: void value not ignored as it ought to > be > reencode.c:113: void value not ignored as it ought > to > be > make[3]: *** [reencode.o] Error 1 > make[3]: Leaving directory > `/usr/src/ices-0.0.1.beta5/src' > make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory > `/usr/src/ices-0.0.1.beta5/src' > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory > `/usr/src/ices-0.0.1.beta5' > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2 > ----------------------------------------------------- > > This is my configure line... > ./configure --with-lame=yes > --with-lame-includes=/usr/src/lame3.70 > --with-lame-libraries=/usr/src/lame3.70 > > Im using.. > lame 3.70 (compiled with no GTK support) > ices 0.0.1.beta5 > libxml2 2.3.5-1 > libxml2-dev 2.3.5-1 > > This is a debian dist, kernel 2.2.17 > > Thanks for any help you guys can give me, > -darin > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. > No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be > ignored/filtered. > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. > No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Wed Apr 11 01:56:13 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 18:56:13 -0700 Subject: [icecast] look at me mom, i'm on tv Message-ID: <20010410185613.J1460@tk421.icecast.org> I'll be on TechTV tomorrow on the Screen Savers program betwen 4pm and 5:30pm PST. We'll be talking about webcasting, and specifically about icecast, shoutcast, vorbis, and related things. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Wed Apr 11 00:58:55 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 10:58:55 +1000 Subject: [icecast] look at me mom, i'm on tv In-Reply-To: <20010410185613.J1460@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010411105855.02d64620@mailhost.capmon.com> congratulations! At 06:56 PM 4/10/2001 -0700, you wrote: >I'll be on TechTV tomorrow on the Screen Savers program betwen 4pm and >5:30pm PST. > >We'll be talking about webcasting, and specifically about icecast, >shoutcast, vorbis, and related things. > > > > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From route66 at machineandsoul.com Wed Apr 11 02:11:02 2001 From: route66 at machineandsoul.com (dj66) Date: Tue, 10 Apr 2001 21:11:02 -0500 Subject: [icecast] yep Message-ID: <010601c0c22c$abd841c0$0200a8c0@darklight> I am running an oldish Icecast (like 1.3.08), Ices and Libshout from about that time, and the newest version of WinAmp with ths Source plugins. For the longest time I've been using Ices to stream a mount point, /DEFAULT, which just plays random mp3s from the servers hard drive. But now I've added a second mountpoint from which live djs can send their streams from, which are usualy from WinAmp Source plugins. Right now I was testing it out, with darklight.machineandsoul.com being the client machine that is streaming data to the shoutcast server (which is voix.machineandsoul.com). It's sending music, and other clients can listen to the new mountpoint (which is like /icy_0). However, every 30 seconds darklight.machineandsoul.com is logging into /DEFAULT (Accepted client # from [darklight.machineandsoul.com] on mountpoint [/SOURCE]. # clients connected.) If there are open spots on /SOURCE then the client stays connected for 1 second, and then disconnects (Kicking client # [darklight.machineandsoul.com] [Client signed off] [listener], connected for 1 seconds, ....) Any ideas whats going on? It's probably WINAMP. ---------------------------------------------------------------- "Death has long been considered humanity's number one concern. Responsible for 100 percent of all recorded fatalities worldwide, the condition has no cure." mailto:rookd at msoe.edu http://dj66.machineandsoul.com internet/college radio - http://www.machineandsoul.com ---------------------------------------------------------------- --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From aschiffler at home.com Wed Apr 11 21:43:51 2001 From: aschiffler at home.com (Andreas Schiffler) Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2001 17:43:51 -0400 Subject: [icecast] Protocol documentation Message-ID: <3AD4D017.ADA20AA2@home.com> Hi there, does anyone know where to find or have a document describing the icecast protocol. I'd like to implement a stream reader that uses SDL_net and understands "icy:" type URLs. A simple C lib that reads icecast streams would be OK too (and I can still disassemble xmms's code :-)). Ciao Andreas -- | Andreas Schiffler aschiffler at home.com | | Senior Systems Engineer - Tek21 Inc., Buffalo | | 4707 Eastwood Cres., Niagara Falls, Ont L2E 1B4, Canada | | +1-905-371-3652 (private) - +1-905-371-8834 (work/fax) | --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Thu Apr 12 07:42:46 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 00:42:46 -0700 Subject: [icecast] icecast 2 bug: reconnecting source In-Reply-To: <20010406064252.AD56E18D017@motherfish.xiph.org> Message-ID: <20010412004245.C6360@tk421.icecast.org> this bug is now fixed in the repository. i've found a few more minor bugs that i'm working on as well. jack. > if i reconnect the source stream to the icecast 2 server i cannot play > the stream, because the player gets no data. this is a known bug, but > when will this be fixed? it's very important, because i would like to > use vorbis streaming in an sound installation. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gshang at uq.net.au Thu Apr 12 06:54:36 2001 From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:54:36 +1000 (EST) Subject: [icecast] Re: [vorbis] look at me mom, i'm on tv In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi: You can find a recording of Jack's appearance, all 4 or so minutes of it, at the following location: ftp://ftp.braille.uwo.ca/pub/linux/goodies/audio-files/Jack_Moffitt.mp3 This is around 2MB in size and is 96kbps 44.1khz mono. Thanks to Jeremy Hall for streaming this live so a bunch of us could hear it, and to Jim Danley for capturing that stream and making this file. Geoff. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From tim at nvhs.nl Thu Apr 12 14:42:02 2001 From: tim at nvhs.nl (tim) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:42:02 +0200 Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? Message-ID: <20010412164202.A380@xs4all.nl> hello, I have a stream which has been up and running for about 20 hours now. It's already in the yp.shoutcast.com, that happened within minutes. However, I would also like my stream to be in the yp.icecast.org list as well. How long should this take? cheers, t. (p.s. is under genre "jazz" in the shoutcast yp. the stream is http://194.109.227.136:8000, using liveice and icecast) --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From steveglines at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 14:49:24 2001 From: steveglines at yahoo.com (Steve Glines) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 07:49:24 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? In-Reply-To: <20010412164202.A380@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <20010412144924.2436.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> --- tim wrote: > > > (p.s. is under genre "jazz" in the shoutcast yp. the > stream > is http://194.109.227.136:8000, using liveice and > icecast) When I try the URL above my system attempts to down load a 50 MB file. It isn't streaming. I have the same problem with my own system. What are we doing wrong? SG ===== Steve Glines http://www.is-cs.com http://web.belmont.ma.us voice: 617-484-4358 cell: 617-549-7274 fax: 617-484-4401 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gshang at uq.net.au Thu Apr 12 15:12:16 2001 From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 01:12:16 +1000 (EST) Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? In-Reply-To: <20010412144924.2436.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Steve Glines wrote: > --- tim wrote: > > > > > is http://194.109.227.136:8000, using liveice and > > icecast) > When I try the URL above my system attempts to down > load a 50 MB file. It isn't streaming. I have the same > problem with my own system. What are we doing wrong? If you're clicking on the URL such that it launches a web browser then you're going about it the wrong way. That URL needs to be opened as a location in your MP3 player (e.g. ctrl-L in winamp). If you want to click on a link in a web browser, you will need to make a PLS or M3U file with the location data in it so that this is downloaded and opened by your player. Geoff. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From steveglines at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 15:27:31 2001 From: steveglines at yahoo.com (Steve Glines) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:27:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010412152731.9241.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> --- Geoff Shang wrote: > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Steve Glines wrote: > > > --- tim wrote: > > > > > > > is http://194.109.227.136:8000, using liveice > and > > > icecast) > > When I try the URL above my system attempts to > down > > load a 50 MB file. It isn't streaming. I have the > same > > problem with my own system. What are we doing > wrong? > > If you're clicking on the URL such that it launches > a web browser then > you're going about it the wrong way. That URL needs > to be opened as a > location in your MP3 player (e.g. ctrl-L in winamp). > If you want to click > on a link in a web browser, you will need to make a > PLS or M3U file with > the location data in it so that this is downloaded > and opened by your > player. Great - now we're getting somewhere. I can't find any information about these file types on Icecast or shoutcast's web sites. Where can I find information about their structure? Thanks SG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From tim at nvhs.nl Thu Apr 12 15:28:16 2001 From: tim at nvhs.nl (tim) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:28:16 +0200 Subject: [icecast] Re: opening http://194.109.227.136:8000 in the browser In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010412172816.A5495@xs4all.nl> I thought somewhere buried deep in the icecast.conf that one can turn this option on, if you type in http://194.109.227136:8000 in your browser, it will fire up your favourite mp3 client, and the stream will start playing. *duh*, sorry, I haven't set this up yet. I'm still amazed my stream in working, I still need to tweak it. A while back, from the archives, I saw someone had offered his sample icecast.conf for all to look at. Sadly, it appears that the site, www.njfr.org, is still down. Does anyone else have a working icecast.conf? cheers, b. On Fri, Apr 13, 2001 at 01:12:16AM +1000, Geoff Shang wrote: > On Thu, 12 Apr 2001, Steve Glines wrote: > > > --- tim wrote: > > > > > > > is http://194.109.227.136:8000, using liveice and > > > icecast) > > When I try the URL above my system attempts to down > > load a 50 MB file. It isn't streaming. I have the same > > problem with my own system. What are we doing wrong? > > If you're clicking on the URL such that it launches a web browser then > you're going about it the wrong way. That URL needs to be opened as a > location in your MP3 player (e.g. ctrl-L in winamp). If you want to click > on a link in a web browser, you will need to make a PLS or M3U file with > the location data in it so that this is downloaded and opened by your > player. > > Geoff. > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From tposton1 at swbell.net Thu Apr 12 15:40:25 2001 From: tposton1 at swbell.net (Todd Poston) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 10:40:25 -0500 Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? In-Reply-To: <20010412152731.9241.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00bf01c0c366$e4f02dc0$0400005a@suppity.com> > > If you want to click > > on a link in a web browser, you will need to make a > > PLS or M3U file with > > the location data in it so that this is downloaded > > and opened by your > > player. > Great - now we're getting somewhere. I can't find any > information about these file types on Icecast or > shoutcast's web sites. > > Where can I find information about their structure? For pls files: http://www.shoutclub.com/help/linking.php3 --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From steveglines at yahoo.com Thu Apr 12 15:52:05 2001 From: steveglines at yahoo.com (Steve Glines) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 08:52:05 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? In-Reply-To: <00bf01c0c366$e4f02dc0$0400005a@suppity.com> Message-ID: <20010412155205.53697.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com> --- Todd Poston wrote: > > > If you want to click > > > on a link in a web browser, you will need to > make a > > > PLS or M3U file with > > > the location data in it so that this is > downloaded > > > and opened by your > > > player. > > Great - now we're getting somewhere. I can't find > any > > information about these file types on Icecast or > > shoutcast's web sites. > > > > Where can I find information about their > structure? > > For pls files: > http://www.shoutclub.com/help/linking.php3 Thanks. It says that I can use the URL by appanding listen.pls as in http://194.109.227.136:8000/listen.pls In this case it still wanted to drag down some multibegabyte files. What happened? Thanks SG __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From tposton1 at swbell.net Thu Apr 12 17:01:23 2001 From: tposton1 at swbell.net (Todd Poston) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 12:01:23 -0500 Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? In-Reply-To: <20010412155205.53697.qmail@web10402.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00f101c0c372$347eff00$0400005a@suppity.com> > > For pls files: > > http://www.shoutclub.com/help/linking.php3 > Thanks. It says that I can use the URL by appanding > listen.pls as in > http://194.109.227.136:8000/listen.pls > > In this case it still wanted to drag down some > multibegabyte files. What happened? you read: Well the simplest method is using your SHOUTcast servers built in Web server, this feature has a listen link already built in with all the correct information. So all you have to do is link to it from an outside source. How do you do that, quite simple, just use this HTML code: Click Here to Listen *What you missed was "Well the simplest method is using your SHOUTcast servers..." This is Icecast, not SHOUTcast. Try using an actual .pls file like the page describes. peace Todd --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Thu Apr 12 20:36:15 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:36:15 -0700 Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? In-Reply-To: <20010412144924.2436.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010412133615.D6360@tk421.icecast.org> > When I try the URL above my system attempts to down > load a 50 MB file. It isn't streaming. I have the same > problem with my own system. What are we doing wrong? It _is_ streaming, you just aren't accessing it right. You can't just point your browser to a stream. The browser will always download the content, and then pass it off to the helper application. If that content is a stream, it will just download forever. You need to create some 'pointer' file, generally an m3u file, that points to your stream. The browser downloads the m3u, passes it to your client, and that starts streaming the real data. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From sglines at is-cs.com Thu Apr 12 20:21:37 2001 From: sglines at is-cs.com (Steve Glines) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:21:37 -0400 Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? In-Reply-To: <00f101c0c372$347eff00$0400005a@suppity.com> Message-ID: <3AD60E51.60DF92CB@is-cs.com> Todd Poston wrote: > > you read: > Well the simplest method is using your SHOUTcast servers built in Web > server, this feature has a listen link already built in with all the correct > information. So all you have to do is link to it from an outside source. > How do you do that, quite simple, just use this HTML code: > Click Here to Listen > > *What you missed was "Well the simplest method is using your SHOUTcast > servers..." > This is Icecast, not SHOUTcast. > > Try using an actual .pls file like the page describes. Thanks - It works ... it really works. :) SG --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From sglines at is-cs.com Thu Apr 12 20:25:56 2001 From: sglines at is-cs.com (Steve Glines) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 16:25:56 -0400 Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? In-Reply-To: <20010412133615.D6360@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <3AD60F53.D79C1A0@is-cs.com> I tried a pls file and it appears to work. What's the difference (in practical terms) and where do I find the documentation on M3U files? Thanks SG Jack Moffitt wrote: > > > When I try the URL above my system attempts to down > > load a 50 MB file. It isn't streaming. I have the same > > problem with my own system. What are we doing wrong? > > It _is_ streaming, you just aren't accessing it right. > > You can't just point your browser to a stream. The browser will always > download the content, and then pass it off to the helper application. > If that content is a stream, it will just download forever. > > You need to create some 'pointer' file, generally an m3u file, that > points to your stream. The browser downloads the m3u, passes it to your > client, and that starts streaming the real data. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Thu Apr 12 21:32:43 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 14:32:43 -0700 Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? In-Reply-To: <3AD60F53.D79C1A0@is-cs.com> Message-ID: <20010412143243.O6360@tk421.icecast.org> they are the same for practical purposes, but I believe i started pushing m3u because it was better supported, or less application fought over it, or something. it's probably different today, but i still use m3u. M3U is simpler than pls. just a file/url per line, that's it. for a sstream a pls file would look like: http://your.server.com:8000/mymount and that's it. jack. On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 04:25:56PM -0400, Steve Glines wrote: > I tried a pls file and it appears to work. What's the difference (in > practical terms) and where do I find the documentation on M3U files? > > Thanks > SG > > Jack Moffitt wrote: > > > > > When I try the URL above my system attempts to down > > > load a 50 MB file. It isn't streaming. I have the same > > > problem with my own system. What are we doing wrong? > > > > It _is_ streaming, you just aren't accessing it right. > > > > You can't just point your browser to a stream. The browser will always > > download the content, and then pass it off to the helper application. > > If that content is a stream, it will just download forever. > > > > You need to create some 'pointer' file, generally an m3u file, that > > points to your stream. The browser downloads the m3u, passes it to your > > client, and that starts streaming the real data. > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From k_myers at kyxpyx.com Thu Apr 12 20:31:02 2001 From: k_myers at kyxpyx.com (Kelly Lee Myers) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 13:31:02 -0700 Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? In-Reply-To: <3AD60E51.60DF92CB@is-cs.com> Message-ID: <003501c0c38f$7df08bf0$a0727118@lithium> A lot of people seem to be getting ahead of themselves here... Yes, you will need a .pls file of some sort like listen.pls to follow the :8000/ for example. But if your browser does not know what the hell it is supposed to do with a .pls file then its just going to try and down load it to disk. You must have .pls files associated with your player. this is pretty straight forward to do if you have not done it already. Now, I have pointed this out simply because it's probably the thing that is being over looked in addition to some of the URL usage. I know that some people choose to use mount points in the url like :8000/music instead of .pls files but .pls or .m3u are best for compatibility I find when dealing with the rest of the world that does not have the "tweaking/deduction" skills needed to open their player with the url doing a copy/paste from the website. It is amazing how many people cannot figure this out. Just trying to help... Lithium ----- Original Message ----- From: "Steve Glines" To: Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2001 1:21 PM Subject: Re: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? > Todd Poston wrote: > > > > you read: > > Well the simplest method is using your SHOUTcast servers built in Web > > server, this feature has a listen link already built in with all the correct > > information. So all you have to do is link to it from an outside source. > > How do you do that, quite simple, just use this HTML code: > > Click Here to Listen > > > > *What you missed was "Well the simplest method is using your SHOUTcast > > servers..." > > This is Icecast, not SHOUTcast. > > > > Try using an actual .pls file like the page describes. > > Thanks - It works ... it really works. :) > > SG > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From ptomb at email.umassp.edu Thu Apr 12 21:04:31 2001 From: ptomb at email.umassp.edu (Peter Tomb) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 17:04:31 -0400 Subject: [icecast] liveice problem w/ 'Stupid Headers' In-Reply-To: <00f101c0c372$347eff00$0400005a@suppity.com> Message-ID: <3AD6185D.AE9F3874@email.umassp.edu> Hello I'm trying to use liveice to connect to an icecast 1.3.10 server. I'm running liveice on a linux 7.0 pentium, and have lame installed. When I try to connect to icecast, liveice says 'Didn't get OK from server', and the server side says it's kicking my stream because of 'Stupid Headers'. Any help or hints will be appreciated. Peter --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From tim at nvhs.nl Thu Apr 12 22:39:27 2001 From: tim at nvhs.nl (tim) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 00:39:27 +0200 Subject: [icecast] liveice problem w/ 'Stupid Headers' In-Reply-To: <3AD6185D.AE9F3874@email.umassp.edu> Message-ID: <20010413003927.A20519@xs4all.nl> the problem is in your liveice.cfg go into the liveice.cfg, and look under "login/correct format". For shoutcast, you use "icy_login" For Icecast, you use "X_AUDIOCAST_LOGIN" t. On Thu, Apr 12, 2001 at 05:04:31PM -0400, Peter Tomb wrote: > Hello > > I'm trying to use liveice to connect to an icecast 1.3.10 server. I'm running > liveice on a linux 7.0 pentium, and have lame installed. When I try to connect > to icecast, liveice says 'Didn't get OK from server', and the server side says > it's kicking my stream because of 'Stupid Headers'. Any help or hints will be > appreciated. > > Peter > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From sglines at is-cs.com Fri Apr 13 00:40:18 2001 From: sglines at is-cs.com (Steve Glines) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 20:40:18 -0400 Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? In-Reply-To: <20010412143243.O6360@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <3AD64AF2.971B2C0A@is-cs.com> Jack Moffitt wrote: > > they are the same for practical purposes, but I believe i started > pushing m3u because it was better supported, or less application fought > over it, or something. it's probably different today, but i still use > m3u. > > M3U is simpler than pls. just a file/url per line, that's it. > > for a sstream a pls file would look like: > > http://your.server.com:8000/mymount How do you define the mount points? Are they a directory within /usr/share/icecast that contain an index.pls file for example? Forgive me but the documentation appears quite sparse here. Thanks SG --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Fri Apr 13 01:46:49 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 18:46:49 -0700 Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? In-Reply-To: <3AD64AF2.971B2C0A@is-cs.com> Message-ID: <20010412184649.F8275@tk421.icecast.org> > How do you define the mount points? Are they a directory within > /usr/share/icecast that contain an index.pls file for example? > > Forgive me but the documentation appears quite sparse here. A mountpiont is a fragment of a URL (often referred to as a URI) like '/stream1' or '/my_cool_stuff/stream.ogg' You tell shout, ices, or whatever what mountpoint to use. It's arbitrary what you call it. Then the client requests that mountpoint, thus getting the stream. It's like making a file called index.html which you stick in the webroot diretory. It's then accesible as /index.html. Except hat in icecast, you use shout or ices to "make something accessible" and the mountpoint just becomes an artitrary moniker. it's necessary to distinguish different streams this way, as just connecting to: http://server.com:8000 gives you no indication of which of the possibly multiple streams you really want? You need the extra information. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From sglines at is-cs.com Fri Apr 13 01:44:19 2001 From: sglines at is-cs.com (Steve Glines) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 21:44:19 -0400 Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? In-Reply-To: <20010412184649.F8275@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <3AD659F2.B0A3EBE@is-cs.com> Jack Moffitt wrote: > > > How do you define the mount points? Are they a directory within > > /usr/share/icecast that contain an index.pls file for example? > > > > Forgive me but the documentation appears quite sparse here. > > A mountpiont is a fragment of a URL (often referred to as a URI) like > '/stream1' or '/my_cool_stuff/stream.ogg' > > You tell shout, ices, or whatever what mountpoint to use. It's > arbitrary what you call it. > > Then the client requests that mountpoint, thus getting the stream. > > It's like making a file called index.html which you stick in the webroot > diretory. It's then accesible as /index.html. Except hat in icecast, > you use shout or ices to "make something accessible" and the mountpoint > just becomes an artitrary moniker. That much I figured out. I'm trying to use winamp to set up a remote broadcast. Where do I tell (either icecast or winamp) what the mount point is. When I use the shoutcast source it appears to create a mount moint cammed ice_0. I have no idea where that comes from. I see the /etc/mounts.aut file and the groups.aut and users.aut. I just don't see where I make a connection between streem comming in and "mount point" goint out. Thanks in advance SG PS - I hope someone is keeping track of this ... it'll make a good FAQ. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Fri Apr 13 02:49:59 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Thu, 12 Apr 2001 19:49:59 -0700 Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? In-Reply-To: <3AD659F2.B0A3EBE@is-cs.com> Message-ID: <20010412194959.H8275@tk421.icecast.org> > That much I figured out. I'm trying to use winamp to set up a remote > broadcast. Where do I tell (either icecast or winamp) what the mount > point is. When I use the shoutcast source it appears to create a mount > moint cammed ice_0. I have no idea where that comes from. If you use Nullsoft's tools, you cannot specify mount points. That's because the Nullsoft team never added multiple streams per server. If you run shoutcast, you have to create extra servers. If you send an icy (shoutcast-style) stream to icecast, it assign you a mountpoint like /icy_0. if you connect another (from a different ip address), it will assign you /icy_1, etc. You cannot connect to icy style stream to an icecast server from the same mountpoint, because of the source reconnection features of icecast (how is it supposed to know if you're a down mount returning, or a new mount?) > I see the /etc/mounts.aut file and the groups.aut and users.aut. I just > don't see where I make a connection between streem comming in and "mount > point" goint out. You do this only in the clients. the .aut stuff is for controlling access. Ie, you can put a password on certain mountpoints. But you cannot change the mountpoints there. You can change a mountpoint after a stream has connected by using the 'modify' command at the console. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gshang at uq.net.au Fri Apr 13 12:51:35 2001 From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 22:51:35 +1000 (EST) Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into the db? In-Reply-To: <3AD659F2.B0A3EBE@is-cs.com> Message-ID: Hi: IIRC, the oddcast DSP plugin (http://www.oddsock.org) will allow mountpoints (or at least oddsock said it would soon). Samcast apparently already does, but I forget the URL for this (it's in the list archive somewhere). These are winamp DSP plugins. Geoff. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From sglines at is-cs.com Fri Apr 13 13:26:56 2001 From: sglines at is-cs.com (Steve Glines) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 09:26:56 -0400 Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into thedb? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <3AD6FEA0.6A3A48A2@is-cs.com> Geoff Shang wrote: > > Hi: > > IIRC, the oddcast DSP plugin (http://www.oddsock.org) will allow > mountpoints (or at least oddsock said it would soon). Samcast apparently > already does, but I forget the URL for this (it's in the list archive > somewhere). These are winamp DSP plugins. It does have mount points but doesn't have the voice control of the shoutcast dsp. If I use this how do I control input? Where do I set the input to be line-in or mick? Thanks SG --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From gshang at uq.net.au Fri Apr 13 13:58:15 2001 From: gshang at uq.net.au (Geoff Shang) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 23:58:15 +1000 (EST) Subject: [icecast] yp.icecast.org || when does your stream come into thedb? In-Reply-To: <3AD6FEA0.6A3A48A2@is-cs.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Steve Glines wrote: > It does have mount points but doesn't have the voice control of the > shoutcast dsp. If I use this how do I control input? > Where do I set the input to be line-in or mick? Depends what you want to do. Assuming you're talking about oddsock, didn't they include advanced controls? IIRC, it's a bit of a fiddle to configure but it's in there. Geoff. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From steveglines at yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 18:12:57 2001 From: steveglines at yahoo.com (Steve Glines) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 11:12:57 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] broadcasters in Boston MA? In-Reply-To: <00f101c0c372$347eff00$0400005a@suppity.com> Message-ID: <20010413181257.86815.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> Are there any users/broadcasters in Boston MA who could help me get a demo running? I'm trying to set up a remote by 4/30. Thanks in advance ===== Steve Glines http://www.is-cs.com http://web.belmont.ma.us voice: 617-484-4358 cell: 617-549-7274 fax: 617-484-4401 __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From harvey at buskers.org Fri Apr 13 19:00:00 2001 From: harvey at buskers.org (harvey smith) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:00:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [icecast] broadcasters in Boston MA? In-Reply-To: <20010413181257.86815.qmail@web10401.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Yes I'm in Cambridge, MA Exactly which program(s) do you need to get running and on what OS? I could help with icecast 1.3.10, Ices and liveice on Linux. Harvey Smith harvey at buskers.org On Fri, 13 Apr 2001, Steve Glines wrote: > Are there any users/broadcasters in Boston MA who > could help me get a demo running? I'm trying to set up > a remote by 4/30. > > Thanks in advance > > ===== > Steve Glines > http://www.is-cs.com http://web.belmont.ma.us > voice: 617-484-4358 > cell: 617-549-7274 > fax: 617-484-4401 > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. 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From shag_bot at yahoo.com Fri Apr 13 22:38:32 2001 From: shag_bot at yahoo.com (Darin Isola) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 15:38:32 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] a few newbian questions In-Reply-To: <20010412194959.H8275@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <20010413223832.17032.qmail@web4602.mail.yahoo.com> hey all. i have a shoutcast/ices server up and running fine (sorta) but i have a couple of questions. 1. whats a good script to grab whats playing now/has been played, etc.? id prefer something written in php, perl or C (in the order). 2. how do i get the admin stuff working for shoutcast? I just the shoutcast 403 forbidden page. or is this feature even worth having? 3. My ices is seg faulting every 1-4 hours. Anyone have any recomendations on fixing this? right now im using the latest ices (not from cvs) latest icecast and I am REencoding. I imgine that might have something to do with it. But, how do i debug it? I have all the debug options turned on in the log and there are no errors. ices just goes away. thanks for any help you guys can give me. -darin __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From shag_bot at yahoo.com Sat Apr 14 01:17:03 2001 From: shag_bot at yahoo.com (Darin Isola) Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2001 18:17:03 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] a few newbian questions In-Reply-To: <20010413223832.17032.qmail@web4602.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010414011703.26528.qmail@web4602.mail.yahoo.com> dammit, I meant to say this is a ICECAST server, not shoutcast. oops! -darin --- Darin Isola wrote: > hey all. i have a shoutcast/ices server up and > running fine (sorta) but i have a couple of > questions. > > 1. whats a good script to grab whats playing > now/has > been played, etc.? id prefer something written in > php, perl or C (in the order). > > 2. how do i get the admin stuff working for > shoutcast? > I just the shoutcast 403 forbidden page. or is > this > feature even worth having? > > 3. My ices is seg faulting every 1-4 hours. Anyone > have any recomendations on fixing this? right now > im > using the latest ices (not from cvs) latest icecast > and I am REencoding. I imgine that might have > something to do with it. But, how do i debug it? I > have all the debug options turned on in the log and > there are no errors. ices just goes away. > > thanks for any help you guys can give me. > > -darin > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. > http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. > No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Get email at your own domain with Yahoo! Mail. http://personal.mail.yahoo.com/ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From smoerk at gmx.de Sat Apr 14 20:38:47 2001 From: smoerk at gmx.de (smoerk at gmx.de) Date: Sat, 14 Apr 2001 22:38:47 +0200 Subject: [icecast] icecast2 bug report Message-ID: <20010414193742.F087F18D01A@motherfish.xiph.org> short bug report for icecast 2: 1) if you put a in the source login icecast2 crashes SOURCE /ostream.ogg ICE/1.0 ice-password: pass ... 2) ogg123 doesn't exit, if the source stream disconnected. When I kill the server ogg123 plays the disconnected stream again for some 100ms and then exit. I don't know if it's a icecast or a ogg123 bug. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From david at neongoat.com Mon Apr 16 00:58:19 2001 From: david at neongoat.com (David Parker) Date: Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:58:19 -0700 Subject: [icecast] on-demand source as default mountpoint Message-ID: <000f01c0c610$54ca62e0$1276a8c0@ruckus> Hi icecasters, Is there a way to attach a static file to a source client without using the /file subdirectory? What I'm trying to do is have a static file broadcasted on-demand via http://fooblah:8000/, but I can't uses ices (I think) since that just throws the file to the server without any sense of timing. If I use ices, listeners could tune in during the middle of the static file, which is what I'm trying to avoid. Or maybe there's a way to map the default mountpoint to a static file? It seems like I'm overlooking something obvious here, could anyone enlighten me? David ------- david at neongoat.com www.neongoat.com PGP Key ID/Fingerprint: 0xF90FFFE5 / F362 51F7 6D51 85EB AF68 75B9 D29B 1AFC F90F FFE5 ------- --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From smoerk at gmx.de Mon Apr 16 08:59:46 2001 From: smoerk at gmx.de (smoerk at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 10:59:46 +0200 Subject: [icecast] on-demand source as default mountpoint In-Reply-To: <000f01c0c610$54ca62e0$1276a8c0@ruckus> Message-ID: <20010416075919.CC22918D00A@motherfish.xiph.org> I don't understand why you want to do this. if you want to send a static file on demand, then use a webserver or the /file directory with icecast. why do you want to map the mountpoint to a static file? On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:58:19 -0700, David Parker wrote: >Hi icecasters, > >Is there a way to attach a static file to a source client without using the >/file subdirectory? What I'm trying to do is have a static file broadcasted >on-demand via http://fooblah:8000/, but I can't uses ices (I think) since that >just throws the file to the server without any sense of timing. If I use ices, >listeners could tune in during the middle of the static file, which is what >I'm trying to avoid. Or maybe there's a way to map the default mountpoint to a >static file? It seems like I'm overlooking something obvious here, could >anyone enlighten me? --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From smoerk at gmx.de Mon Apr 16 09:00:27 2001 From: smoerk at gmx.de (smoerk at gmx.de) Date: Mon, 16 Apr 2001 11:00:27 +0200 Subject: [icecast] on-demand source as default mountpoint In-Reply-To: <[icecast] on-demand source as default mountpoint> Message-ID: <20010416075929.4AD5818D00A@motherfish.xiph.org> I don't understand why you want to do this. if you want to send a static file on demand, then use a webserver or the /file directory with icecast. why do you want to map the mountpoint to a static file? On Sun, 15 Apr 2001 17:58:19 -0700, David Parker wrote: >Hi icecasters, > >Is there a way to attach a static file to a source client without using the >/file subdirectory? What I'm trying to do is have a static file broadcasted >on-demand via http://fooblah:8000/, but I can't uses ices (I think) since that >just throws the file to the server without any sense of timing. If I use ices, >listeners could tune in during the middle of the static file, which is what >I'm trying to avoid. Or maybe there's a way to map the default mountpoint to a >static file? It seems like I'm overlooking something obvious here, could >anyone enlighten me? --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From andrewwu at Princeton.EDU Tue Apr 17 06:12:34 2001 From: andrewwu at Princeton.EDU (Andrew M. Wu) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 02:12:34 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [icecast] A few Newbie Questions on libwrap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hello all, I have been having some trouble getting my Icecast server and IceS streamer up and running properly. I have successfully compiled both (Icecast 1.3.10 and IceS 0.0.1beta5) with libwrap and encrypt enabled. I can start up Icecast fine, with the following logged messages on startup: Icecast Version 1.3.10 Initializing... Icecast comes with NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. You may redistribute copies of Icecast under the terms of the GNU General Public License. For more information about these matters, see the file named COPYING. Starting thread engine... [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Icecast Version 1.3.10 Starting.. [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Starting Admin Console Thread... -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Starting main connection handler... -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Listening on host 140.180.148.145... -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Listening on port 8000... -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Listening on port 8001... -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Using 'wuhoo.princeton.edu' as servername... -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Server limits: 30 clients, 30 clients per source, 10 sources, 5 ad mins -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] WWW Admin interface accessible at http://wuhoo.princeton.edu:8000/ admin -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Starting Calender Thread... -> -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Starting UDP handler thread... -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Starting relay connector thread... -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] [Bandwidth: 0.000000MB/s] [Sources: 0] [Clients: 0] [Admins: 1] [U ptime: 0 seconds] (I have set user and group to a user 'icecast' - at least I hope that that is what Icecast and IceS will be running under (as user/group icecast and not root, as entering 'admins' gives me: Listing admins [Id: 0] [Host: icecast console] [Connected for: 1 minutes and 42 seconds] [Commands issued: 0] End of admin listing (1 listed) Does the 'Id: 0' have any signficance (security-wise)? ) However, when I try to start up IceS, it exits with the following error: Logfile opened Failed connecting to server 127.0.0.1, error: Not connected to server. Ices Exiting... and Icecast logs the following: -> [17/Apr/2001:01:48:55] Kicking unknown 1 [127.0.0.1] [Access Denied (tcp wrappers) [gener ic connection]], connected for 0 seconds (The time is incorrect but the error message is the same.) And in icecast logs I have the following: Apr 17 01:48:55 wuhoo icecast: warning: /etc/hosts.allow, line 1: can't verify hostname: gethostbyname(localhost.localdomain) failed Could any of you inform me what I have done wrong? Included in my /etc/hosts.allow file is the following: ALL:ALL at .princeton.edu icecast: ALL at .princeton.edu,localhost icecast_admin: ALL at .princeton.edu,localhost icecast_client: ALL at .princeton.edu,localhost icecast_source: 1.2.3.4,localhost . . . where 1.2.3.4 corresponds to my actual IP and in my /etc/hosts.deny I have # Mandrake-Security : if you remove this comment, remove the next line too. ALL:ALL at ALL EXCEPT localhost icecast:ALL at ALL EXCEPT localhost, ALL at .princeton.edu icecast_client:ALL at ALL EXCEPT localhost, ALL at .princeton.edu icecast_admin: ALL at ALL EXCEPT localhost, ALL at .princeton.edu . . . my /etc/host.conf looks like order hosts, nis, bind multi on and my /etc/hosts file looks like 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost # 0 1.2.3.4 wuhoo.princeton.edu wuhoo andrewwu # 0 I am running Linux kernel 2.4.2 on a Mandrake 7.0 base system. Thank you for your help. Andrew --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From harvey at buskers.org Tue Apr 17 16:52:14 2001 From: harvey at buskers.org (harvey smith) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 12:52:14 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [icecast] A few Newbie Questions on libwrap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Andrew M. Wu wrote: > Hello all, > > I have been having some trouble getting my Icecast server and IceS > streamer up and running properly. I have successfully compiled both > (Icecast 1.3.10 and IceS 0.0.1beta5) with libwrap and encrypt enabled. > > I can start up Icecast fine, with the following logged messages on > startup: > > Icecast Version 1.3.10 Initializing... > Icecast comes with NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. > You may redistribute copies of Icecast under the terms of the > GNU General Public License. > For more information about these matters, see the file named COPYING. > Starting thread engine... > [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Icecast Version 1.3.10 Starting.. > [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Starting Admin Console Thread... > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Starting main connection handler... > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Listening on host 140.180.148.145... > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Listening on port 8000... > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Listening on port 8001... > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Using 'wuhoo.princeton.edu' as servername... > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Server limits: 30 clients, 30 clients per > source, 10 sources, 5 ad > mins > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] WWW Admin interface accessible at > http://wuhoo.princeton.edu:8000/ > admin > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Starting Calender Thread... > -> -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Starting UDP handler thread... > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Starting relay connector thread... > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] [Bandwidth: 0.000000MB/s] [Sources: 0] [Clients: > 0] [Admins: 1] [U > ptime: 0 seconds] > > (I have set user and group to a user 'icecast' - at least I hope that that > is what Icecast and IceS will be running under (as user/group icecast and > not root, as entering 'admins' gives me: > Assuming you su to user 'icecast' before you start them. > > Listing admins > [Id: 0] [Host: icecast console] [Connected for: 1 minutes and 42 seconds] > [Commands issued: > 0] > End of admin listing (1 listed) > > > Does the 'Id: 0' have any signficance (security-wise)? No, that's just the first Id number giving out. > > However, when I try to start up IceS, it exits with the following error: > > Logfile opened > Failed connecting to server 127.0.0.1, error: Not connected to server. > Ices Exiting... > > and Icecast logs the following: > > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:48:55] Kicking unknown 1 [127.0.0.1] [Access Denied > (tcp wrappers) [gener > ic connection]], connected for 0 seconds > > > (The time is incorrect but the error message is the same.) > > And in icecast logs I have the following: > > Apr 17 01:48:55 wuhoo icecast: warning: /etc/hosts.allow, line 1: can't > verify > hostname: gethostbyname(localhost.localdomain) failed > Hmmm, seems like a name lookup problem. You can try substituting 127.0.0.1 for 'localhost' in your /etc/hosts.allow and deny files, saving the computer the need to look up anything at all. Hope that helps, Harvey > > > Could any of you inform me what I have done wrong? > > Included in my /etc/hosts.allow file is the following: > > ALL:ALL at .princeton.edu > icecast: ALL at .princeton.edu,localhost > icecast_admin: ALL at .princeton.edu,localhost > icecast_client: ALL at .princeton.edu,localhost > icecast_source: 1.2.3.4,localhost > > . > . > . > > > where 1.2.3.4 corresponds to my actual IP > > and in my /etc/hosts.deny I have > > # Mandrake-Security : if you remove this comment, remove the next line > too. > ALL:ALL at ALL EXCEPT localhost > icecast:ALL at ALL EXCEPT localhost, ALL at .princeton.edu > icecast_client:ALL at ALL EXCEPT localhost, ALL at .princeton.edu > icecast_admin: ALL at ALL EXCEPT localhost, ALL at .princeton.edu > > . > . > . > > my /etc/host.conf looks like > > order hosts, nis, bind > multi on > > and my /etc/hosts file looks like > > 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost # 0 > 1.2.3.4 wuhoo.princeton.edu wuhoo andrewwu # 0 > > > > I am running Linux kernel 2.4.2 on a Mandrake 7.0 base system. > > Thank you for your help. > > Andrew > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From plastic at m-net.arbornet.org Tue Apr 17 23:34:01 2001 From: plastic at m-net.arbornet.org (john) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:34:01 -0400 Subject: [icecast] Icecast & Liveice b.s. In-Reply-To: <3ACC80D3.3D576A79@myplay.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010417193341.01bad430@pop.oh.verio.com> At 07:27 AM 4/5/01 -0700, you wrote: >The last time I looked there were a load of problems with Icecast on the >Alpha, although, I know I could get liveice to work. > >What OS is this alpha running? Redhat 5.2. Sorry for the late reply. ja. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From plastic at m-net.arbornet.org Tue Apr 17 23:36:42 2001 From: plastic at m-net.arbornet.org (john) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 19:36:42 -0400 Subject: [icecast] Icecast & Liveice b.s. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010417193424.01bab250@pop.oh.verio.com> >OK, maybe I'm dense. You have no soundcard. thus, you will not be mixing >on the fly or anything as you won't be able to hear it. So why are you >using liveice? The Alpha is the server on the local network, and it doesnt have the need for a soundcard. I would like to stream to other computers on the network that do have a soundcard. Why liveice? Why not? It is one of the few programs that i dont have to hack at repeatedly enabling them to work. Shout fails to compile and since i am not the maintainer of the code, i dont want to spend too much time cracking at it to find out why it fails. ja. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From harvey at buskers.org Wed Apr 18 00:32:07 2001 From: harvey at buskers.org (harvey smith) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 20:32:07 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [icecast] Icecast & Liveice b.s. In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010417193424.01bab250@pop.oh.verio.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, john wrote: > > >OK, maybe I'm dense. You have no soundcard. thus, you will not be mixing > >on the fly or anything as you won't be able to hear it. So why are you > >using liveice? > > The Alpha is the server on the local network, and it doesnt > have the need for a soundcard. I would like to stream to > other computers on the network that do have a soundcard. > Why liveice? Why not? It is one of the few programs that i > dont have to hack at repeatedly enabling them to work. > Shout fails to compile and since i am not the maintainer > of the code, i dont want to spend too much time cracking > at it to find out why it fails. > > ja. > I had to dig backto find the origian question, but liveice NEEDS a encoder because it assumes you are taking a non-mp3 sound from the soundcard and it needs to make mp3's out of it. If you do not have a soundcard AND you are not planning to re-encode the mp3's (ie. they are already at the bit-rate you want) then using liveice would be a waste of cpu cycles (as it always re-encodes and that takes a fair bit of cpu power) Try Ices instead of liveice it's much more stable than Shout, and if you're not re-encoding it wont eat your cpu time. Otherwise you'll need to get an encoder, like lame. Harvey --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From plastic at m-net.arbornet.org Wed Apr 18 01:14:37 2001 From: plastic at m-net.arbornet.org (john) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:14:37 -0400 Subject: [icecast] Icecast & Liveice b.s. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010417211031.01d177e0@pop.oh.verio.com> >Try Ices instead of liveice it's much more stable than Shout, and if >you're not re-encoding it wont eat your cpu time. Otherwise you'll need to >get an encoder, like lame. Unbeknownst to the maintainers of lame, I am fiddling with lame3.70 on an Alpha Cabriolet. If, and when I get around to it, I will post my source for the alpha architecture. I will have a go at ices then.. Do I fork i.e.. Pipe the command line with ices and my mpeg3 player, i.e., Mpg123? If so. How. I haven't a slightest clue as to how to structure the command line in question. ja. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From harvey at buskers.org Wed Apr 18 02:33:57 2001 From: harvey at buskers.org (harvey smith) Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 22:33:57 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [icecast] Icecast & Liveice b.s. In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010417211031.01d177e0@pop.oh.verio.com> Message-ID: On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, john wrote: > > >Try Ices instead of liveice it's much more stable than Shout, and if > >you're not re-encoding it wont eat your cpu time. Otherwise you'll need to > >get an encoder, like lame. > > Unbeknownst to the maintainers of lame, I am fiddling with lame3.70 > on an Alpha Cabriolet. If, and when I get around to it, I will post my source > for the alpha architecture. I will have a go at ices then.. Do I fork > i.e.. Pipe > the command line with ices and my mpeg3 player, i.e., Mpg123? If so. > How. I haven't a slightest clue as to how to structure the command line > in question. Oh, remember you only need lame IF you are planning on re-encoding you mp3's on the fly. Liveice always re-encodes (AFAIK), with Ices this is an option, but only needed if you are planning to stream at multiple bitrates (ie your mp3's are encoded at 128kbps and you want to stream at 128knbs and 64kbps). If you are only streaming at one bitrate (ie 128kbps) and the mp3's are aready encoded at that bitrate you wont need lame, just ices (and icecast). Re-encoding with ices is a config file option (and a compile time option) so you wont need a special command line at run-time. If you are re-encoding you could use liveice (as you were trying to do) or ices, but either way you'll need lame. I hope that helps, I could be confused (typical for me) of what you are trying to do exactly. Harvey --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From andrewwu at Princeton.EDU Wed Apr 18 06:45:12 2001 From: andrewwu at Princeton.EDU (Andrew M. Wu) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 02:45:12 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [icecast] A few Newbie Questions on libwrap In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, Many thanks for the replies - after some fiddling I finally got one stream up and running. =) Andrew On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, harvey smith wrote: > On Tue, 17 Apr 2001, Andrew M. Wu wrote: > > > Hello all, > > > > I have been having some trouble getting my Icecast server and IceS > > streamer up and running properly. I have successfully compiled both > > (Icecast 1.3.10 and IceS 0.0.1beta5) with libwrap and encrypt enabled. > > > > I can start up Icecast fine, with the following logged messages on > > startup: > > > > Icecast Version 1.3.10 Initializing... > > Icecast comes with NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. > > You may redistribute copies of Icecast under the terms of the > > GNU General Public License. > > For more information about these matters, see the file named COPYING. > > Starting thread engine... > > [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Icecast Version 1.3.10 Starting.. > > [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Starting Admin Console Thread... > > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Starting main connection handler... > > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Listening on host 140.180.148.145... > > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Listening on port 8000... > > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Listening on port 8001... > > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Using 'wuhoo.princeton.edu' as servername... > > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Server limits: 30 clients, 30 clients per > > source, 10 sources, 5 ad > > mins > > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] WWW Admin interface accessible at > > http://wuhoo.princeton.edu:8000/ > > admin > > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Starting Calender Thread... > > -> -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Starting UDP handler thread... > > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] Starting relay connector thread... > > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:56:37] [Bandwidth: 0.000000MB/s] [Sources: 0] [Clients: > > 0] [Admins: 1] [U > > ptime: 0 seconds] > > > > (I have set user and group to a user 'icecast' - at least I hope that that > > is what Icecast and IceS will be running under (as user/group icecast and > > not root, as entering 'admins' gives me: > > > > Assuming you su to user 'icecast' before you start them. > > > > > Listing admins > > [Id: 0] [Host: icecast console] [Connected for: 1 minutes and 42 seconds] > > [Commands issued: > > 0] > > End of admin listing (1 listed) > > > > > > Does the 'Id: 0' have any signficance (security-wise)? > > No, that's just the first Id number giving out. > > > > > However, when I try to start up IceS, it exits with the following error: > > > > Logfile opened > > Failed connecting to server 127.0.0.1, error: Not connected to server. > > Ices Exiting... > > > > and Icecast logs the following: > > > > -> [17/Apr/2001:01:48:55] Kicking unknown 1 [127.0.0.1] [Access Denied > > (tcp wrappers) [gener > > ic connection]], connected for 0 seconds > > > > > > (The time is incorrect but the error message is the same.) > > > > And in icecast logs I have the following: > > > > Apr 17 01:48:55 wuhoo icecast: warning: /etc/hosts.allow, line 1: can't > > verify > > hostname: gethostbyname(localhost.localdomain) failed > > > > Hmmm, seems like a name lookup problem. You can try substituting 127.0.0.1 > for 'localhost' in your /etc/hosts.allow and deny files, saving the > computer the need to look up anything at all. > > Hope that helps, > > Harvey > > > > > > > Could any of you inform me what I have done wrong? > > > > Included in my /etc/hosts.allow file is the following: > > > > ALL:ALL at .princeton.edu > > icecast: ALL at .princeton.edu,localhost > > icecast_admin: ALL at .princeton.edu,localhost > > icecast_client: ALL at .princeton.edu,localhost > > icecast_source: 1.2.3.4,localhost > > > > . > > . > > . > > > > > > where 1.2.3.4 corresponds to my actual IP > > > > and in my /etc/hosts.deny I have > > > > # Mandrake-Security : if you remove this comment, remove the next line > > too. > > ALL:ALL at ALL EXCEPT localhost > > icecast:ALL at ALL EXCEPT localhost, ALL at .princeton.edu > > icecast_client:ALL at ALL EXCEPT localhost, ALL at .princeton.edu > > icecast_admin: ALL at ALL EXCEPT localhost, ALL at .princeton.edu > > > > . > > . > > . > > > > my /etc/host.conf looks like > > > > order hosts, nis, bind > > multi on > > > > and my /etc/hosts file looks like > > > > 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost # 0 > > 1.2.3.4 wuhoo.princeton.edu wuhoo andrewwu # 0 > > > > > > > > I am running Linux kernel 2.4.2 on a Mandrake 7.0 base system. > > > > Thank you for your help. > > > > Andrew > > > > > > --- >8 ---- > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. 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From brandon at excitehome.net Wed Apr 18 14:56:50 2001 From: brandon at excitehome.net (Brandon Dudley) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 07:56:50 -0700 Subject: [icecast] getting Started w/icecast & liveice Message-ID: Ok, I just about have this working - now I am able to get both my liveice stream to connect properly to icecast, but I no longer get a "no encoder" error on connecting to icecast w/winamp! However, nothing plays and I get a timeout pretty soon. How can I check and make sure that liveice is streaming my static files? here's the cfg - do I have the correct settings for streaming a bunch of mp3 files to icecast?: # liveice configuration file # Automatically generated SERVER localhost PORT 8000 NAME Test Stream GENRE Live URL http://xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx PUBLIC 0 X_AUDIOCAST_LOGIN PASSWORD testme SAMPLE_RATE 22050 MONO NO_SOUNDCARD HALF_DUPLEX USE_LAME3 lame3 BITRATE 32000 VBR_QUALITY 1 MIXER PLAYLIST playlist DECODER_COMMAND mpg123 MIX_CONTROL_AUTO CONTROL_FILE mix_command TRACK_LOGFILE track.log thanks for any help! B --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From tygris at cablespeed.com Wed Apr 18 17:34:29 2001 From: tygris at cablespeed.com (Kelly Price) Date: Wed, 18 Apr 2001 13:34:29 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [icecast] Latest icecast and memory usage Message-ID: I'm relay-pulling a radio station through the latest icecast, so that I can play it localy while downsampling it in a VMware box and reshout it back out. However, every week I do it, icecast seems to grow up to 32 megs large in memory for each process (confirmed by top, it may be shared) and push almost everything out to swap. I'm using Linux 2.4.3. Is there a memory leak in icecast's relaying, or is icecast buffering a stream that's comming in faster than it's intended speed? (The stream is Wolfox Radio, from Live365.com. I know the folks.) " .' .' ";# Kelly "STrRedWolf" Price -- WolfSkunk Designs ' xX xX .' ; # http://stalag99.keenspace.com ' "X "X X .' ; # tygris at cablespeed dot com ' _____. X" X ';# NO UNSOLICITATED COMMERCIAL E-MAIL ACCEPTED ' XXXXXXXx. X" .' && print "one"; '"XXXXXX| X '&& print "two"; "XXX| X" && print "three"; 'XX' && print "four"; --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From andrewwu at Princeton.EDU Thu Apr 19 07:47:40 2001 From: andrewwu at Princeton.EDU (Andrew M. Wu) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 03:47:40 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [icecast] Compiling with lame support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Hi all, I've been trying to compile and re-compile ices-0.0.1beta5 with lame support. I've downloaded the source to lame-3.88beta and compiled it and installed it. The configure script allows for the compilation of a libmp3lame.a and libmp3lame.la, but not libmp3lame.so (in the INSTALL it says that is a (not yet) ). In configuring ices I specify the include dir for lame.h and the library dir for the lame library file; make; and make install. However lame still hasn't compiled with lame support and I can't re-encode. Any suggestions would be most welcome. I'm running a Mandrake 7.0 base system on kernel 2.4.2. Many thanks, Andrew --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From tgoodman at sonusnet.com Thu Apr 19 13:03:10 2001 From: tgoodman at sonusnet.com (Todd Goodman) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:03:10 -0400 Subject: [icecast] Compiling with lame support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010419090310.B18422@skarn.sonusnet.com> * Andrew M. Wu [010419 03:49]: > Hi all, > > I've been trying to compile and re-compile ices-0.0.1beta5 with lame > support. > > I've downloaded the source to lame-3.88beta and compiled it and installed > it. The configure script allows for the compilation of a libmp3lame.a > and libmp3lame.la, but not libmp3lame.so (in the INSTALL it says that is a > (not yet) ). > > In configuring ices I specify the include dir for lame.h and the library > dir for the lame library file; make; and make install. > > However lame still hasn't compiled with lame support and I can't > re-encode. > > Any suggestions would be most welcome. > > I'm running a Mandrake 7.0 base system on kernel 2.4.2. I had a similar problem and determined it was due to my RedHat system picking up the libmp3lame from /usr/lib instead of in /usr/local/lib where I installed the latest version. I used --with-lame-includes=/usr/local/include --with-lame-libraries=/usr/local/lib. However, I am still having some problems since my libmp3lame doesn't have a lame_version(). I've changed to get_lame_version(). However, lame_init_params() is crashing with a SEGV. Is with lame-3.88 (beta) so maybe I'm trying to use a lame version that's too new or has problems. I also managed to get libxml2 (2.3.6) instead of libxml, but I linked from xml2-config to xml-config) and it seems to work. I do get a warning about "Unknown ___ keyword: comment" (where ___ is Stream, Execution, Server, etc) when reading the config file, but it seems to work OK. Regards, Todd --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From tgoodman at sonusnet.com Thu Apr 19 13:14:57 2001 From: tgoodman at sonusnet.com (Todd Goodman) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:14:57 -0400 Subject: [icecast] Compiling with lame support In-Reply-To: <[icecast] Compiling with lame support> Message-ID: <20010419091457.G18422@skarn.sonusnet.com> * Andrew M. Wu [010419 03:49]: > Hi all, > > I've been trying to compile and re-compile ices-0.0.1beta5 with lame > support. > > I've downloaded the source to lame-3.88beta and compiled it and installed > it. The configure script allows for the compilation of a libmp3lame.a > and libmp3lame.la, but not libmp3lame.so (in the INSTALL it says that is a > (not yet) ). > > In configuring ices I specify the include dir for lame.h and the library > dir for the lame library file; make; and make install. > > However lame still hasn't compiled with lame support and I can't > re-encode. > > Any suggestions would be most welcome. > > I'm running a Mandrake 7.0 base system on kernel 2.4.2. I had a similar problem and determined it was due to my RedHat system picking up the libmp3lame from /usr/lib instead of in /usr/local/lib where I installed the latest version. I used --with-lame-includes=/usr/local/include --with-lame-libraries=/usr/local/lib. However, I am still having some problems since my libmp3lame doesn't have a lame_version(). I've changed to get_lame_version(). However, lame_init_params() is crashing with a SEGV. Is with lame-3.88 (beta) so maybe I'm trying to use a lame version that's too new or has problems. I also managed to get libxml2 (2.3.6) instead of libxml, but I linked from xml2-config to xml-config) and it seems to work. I do get a warning about "Unknown ___ keyword: comment" (where ___ is Stream, Execution, Server, etc) when reading the config file, but it seems to work OK. Regards, Todd Sorry to follow up on my own email, but the problem I was having with the /usr/lib version of libmp3lame was that it was compiled with the termcap support and the autoconf test was failing because it couldn't find the tnget.. routines (as detailed in the FAQ). I rebuilt libmp3lame and used the instructions in the FAQ to be sure I didn't have any GTK or termcap support. Regards, Todd --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From tposton1 at swbell.net Thu Apr 19 14:06:24 2001 From: tposton1 at swbell.net (Todd Poston) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:06:24 -0500 Subject: [icecast] Compiling with lame support In-Reply-To: <20010419091457.G18422@skarn.sonusnet.com> Message-ID: <012201c0c8d9$eb4ca0e0$0400005a@suppity.com> So I figured I'd finally get around to inquiring.. what do I need to compile a new Win32 version of the latest Icecast? Do I need Borland? VS6 doesn't seem to do it because I haven't been able to sucessfully compile. I'm no C/C++ guy so I'm not _much_ use at figuring out these errors :( Is this hopeless? peace out, Todd --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From tposton1 at swbell.net Thu Apr 19 14:18:11 2001 From: tposton1 at swbell.net (Todd Poston) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 09:18:11 -0500 Subject: [icecast] (whoops..wrong subject line should be->) Compiling Win32 Icecast In-Reply-To: <012201c0c8d9$eb4ca0e0$0400005a@suppity.com> Message-ID: <013701c0c8db$90bbe580$0400005a@suppity.com> My bad.. forgot to change the subject line :-| ----- Original Message ----- From: "Todd Poston" To: Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 9:06 AM Subject: Re: [icecast] Compiling with lame support > So I figured I'd finally get around to inquiring.. what do I need to compile > a new Win32 version of the latest Icecast? > > Do I need Borland? VS6 doesn't seem to do it because I haven't been able to > sucessfully compile. I'm no C/C++ guy so I'm not _much_ use at figuring out > these errors :( > > Is this hopeless? > > peace out, > Todd > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jaromil at dyne.org Thu Apr 19 15:29:03 2001 From: jaromil at dyne.org (jaromil) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 16:29:03 +0100 Subject: [icecast] Compiling with lame support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010419162903.B14615@dyne.org> On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:47:40AM -0400, Andrew M. Wu wrote: > Hi all, > > I've been trying to compile and re-compile ices-0.0.1beta5 with lame > support. > > I've downloaded the source to lame-3.88beta and compiled it and installed > it. The configure script allows for the compilation of a libmp3lame.a > and libmp3lame.la, but not libmp3lame.so (in the INSTALL it says that is a > (not yet) ). > > In configuring ices I specify the include dir for lame.h and the library > dir for the lame library file; make; and make install. > > However lame still hasn't compiled with lame support and I can't > re-encode. > > Any suggestions would be most welcome. > > I'm running a Mandrake 7.0 base system on kernel 2.4.2. > the lame API changed in many points from 3.87beta to 3.88beta i guess that's the problem, try to use the 3.87: probably ices has been coded on that API. jrml --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From andrewwu at Princeton.EDU Thu Apr 19 19:24:28 2001 From: andrewwu at Princeton.EDU (Andrew M. Wu) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:24:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [icecast] Compiling with lame support In-Reply-To: <20010419162903.B14615@dyne.org> Message-ID: Hi all, Thanks again for all the suggestions - I finally got ices compiled with lame support using lame-3.87beta and making sure not to compile in gtk support, termcap support, or brhist support. My uh next question is - is it possible to set up more than one source stream to one icecast server? And if so, how could I go about doing that? Would it involve listing other ports to listen on and how would I specify either in Icecast's configuration file or as ices' command-line parameter which port to bind to or mount point to mount to? Again, thanks for the suggestions. Andrew On Thu, 19 Apr 2001, jaromil wrote: > On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 03:47:40AM -0400, Andrew M. Wu wrote: > > Hi all, > > > > I've been trying to compile and re-compile ices-0.0.1beta5 with lame > > support. > > > > I've downloaded the source to lame-3.88beta and compiled it and installed > > it. The configure script allows for the compilation of a libmp3lame.a > > and libmp3lame.la, but not libmp3lame.so (in the INSTALL it says that is a > > (not yet) ). > > > > In configuring ices I specify the include dir for lame.h and the library > > dir for the lame library file; make; and make install. > > > > However lame still hasn't compiled with lame support and I can't > > re-encode. > > > > Any suggestions would be most welcome. > > > > I'm running a Mandrake 7.0 base system on kernel 2.4.2. > > > > the lame API changed in many points from 3.87beta to 3.88beta > i guess that's the problem, try to use the 3.87: probably ices has been > coded on that API. > > jrml > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Thu Apr 19 20:34:44 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 13:34:44 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Compiling with lame support In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010419133444.D2478@tk421.icecast.org> > My uh next question is - is it possible to set up more than one source > stream to one icecast server? And if so, how could I go about doing that? Yes. Just specify a different mountpoint for each instance of ices. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From fairbairnr at kenyon.edu Thu Apr 19 19:37:40 2001 From: fairbairnr at kenyon.edu (Peace Love Unity Respect) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:37:40 -0400 Subject: [icecast] HTML linking for Icecast Streams Message-ID: <3AEDEA36@webmail.kenyon.edu> This may sound silly and easy, and in fact I hope it is, but I'm having trouble setting up a web link to activate a stream. I have tried using formats I knew of, like the format used by Shoutcast (hots:port/shoutcast-playlist.pls? and host:port/listen?pls) but have had not luck. I was wondering if anyone out there knew how to do this, and I would really appreciate any help. Thanks. Rob "There are seven ways to solve every problem." --PVD (DJ Paul Van Dyk) <<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>> <<<<<<<<<<<>>>>>>>>>>> --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From tposton1 at swbell.net Thu Apr 19 20:35:45 2001 From: tposton1 at swbell.net (Todd Poston) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 15:35:45 -0500 Subject: [icecast] HTML linking for Icecast Streams In-Reply-To: <3AEDEA36@webmail.kenyon.edu> Message-ID: <07f801c0c910$4fe8f220$0400005a@suppity.com> >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Peace Love Unity Respect" >To: >Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2001 2:37 PM >Subject: [icecast] HTML linking for Icecast Streams > I'm having > trouble setting up a web link to activate a stream. Use m3u or pls files. For pls files: http://www.shoutclub.com/help/linking.php3 Don't just like to the stream using /listen.pls, actually create a (pls or m3u) file that points to the raw stream. peace, Todd --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From tim at nvhs.nl Fri Apr 20 01:06:28 2001 From: tim at nvhs.nl (tim) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 03:06:28 +0200 Subject: [icecast] using iceS 0.0.1 beta 5 instead of liveice Message-ID: <20010420030628.A20791@xs4all.nl> hello, on my stream I've been using liveice, but it has a rather nasty habit of stopping at its own leisure! i'm wondering if anyone is using iceS beta with any stablilty? m --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From john at capmon.com Fri Apr 20 01:14:34 2001 From: john at capmon.com (John Griffiths) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:14:34 +1000 Subject: [icecast] using iceS 0.0.1 beta 5 instead of liveice In-Reply-To: <20010420030628.A20791@xs4all.nl> Message-ID: <3.0.5.32.20010420111434.0252f500@mailhost.capmon.com> I've using ices on an old 486 (same server as the iceast is running off) its running a static playlist and has an uptime of 11 days, and i'm listening to it now its been rock solid even on a very limited platform At 03:06 AM 4/20/2001 +0200, tim wrote: > >hello, > >on my stream I've been using liveice, but it has a rather >nasty habit of stopping at its own leisure! > >i'm wondering if anyone is using iceS beta with any >stablilty? > >m > > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From sverma at sfsu.edu Fri Apr 20 02:59:24 2001 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 19:59:24 -0700 Subject: [icecast] stupid headers Message-ID: <3ADFA60C.464189BE@sfsu.edu> When I run icecast 1.3.10 with shout 0.8.0 I get [/home/icecast/music/track01.mp3] [3:07] Size: 2997767 Bitrate: 128000 (38432 bytes/dot) [Error in read, exiting ] read: Broken pipe When I send a source stream using winamp, I get an invalid password error on winamp, and stupid headers on icecast. [19/Apr/2001:19:12:19] Kicking unknown 10 [64.170.116.180] [Stupid headers], connected for 0 seconds Anyone know why this happens? Sameer --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From wildbill at kpig.com Fri Apr 20 03:09:32 2001 From: wildbill at kpig.com (William Goldsmith) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 20:09:32 -0700 Subject: [icecast] stupid headers In-Reply-To: <3ADFA60C.464189BE@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: <084001c0c947$522e4940$5007e4d8@dsl.redshift.com> With Winamp, you need to set the port to one number below the server port. ie: if the server is on 8000, set Winamp to 7999. When used with a Shoutcast server, Winamp uses the base port for metadata, & port+1 for the audio stream & headers. You also need to have the Icecast server listen on both ports (or run a second 'dummy' server on port-1) so that Winamp will at least *think* that it's properly connected. -bg > When I run icecast 1.3.10 with shout 0.8.0 I get > > [/home/icecast/music/track01.mp3] > [3:07] Size: 2997767 Bitrate: 128000 (38432 bytes/dot) > [Error in read, > exiting ] > read: Broken pipe > > When I send a source stream using winamp, I get an invalid password > error on winamp, and stupid headers on icecast. > > [19/Apr/2001:19:12:19] Kicking unknown 10 [64.170.116.180] [Stupid > headers], connected for 0 seconds > > Anyone know why this happens? > > Sameer > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From plastic at m-net.arbornet.org Fri Apr 20 03:33:39 2001 From: plastic at m-net.arbornet.org (john) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 23:33:39 -0400 Subject: [icecast] lame question. Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010419233155.00a40b70@pop.oh.verio.com> ok. dont tell me i am lame. i already know. my question is.. where is the default stream name kept? i have rummaged through icecast.conf and ices.conf, and to no avail, i cannot find it. with no coding required on my part.. streaming works on my Alpha. wohoo! ja. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Fri Apr 20 04:55:55 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:55:55 -0700 Subject: [icecast] stupid headers In-Reply-To: <084001c0c947$522e4940$5007e4d8@dsl.redshift.com> Message-ID: <20010419215555.J2993@tk421.icecast.org> Actually, the other fix is to add port 8001 into the icecast.conf file. It should be there by default though. jack. On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 08:09:32PM -0700, William Goldsmith wrote: > With Winamp, you need to set the port to one number below the server port. > ie: if the server is on 8000, set Winamp to 7999. When used with a Shoutcast > server, Winamp uses the base port for metadata, & port+1 for the audio > stream & headers. You also need to have the Icecast server listen on both > ports (or run a second 'dummy' server on port-1) so that Winamp will at > least *think* that it's properly connected. > > -bg > > > > When I run icecast 1.3.10 with shout 0.8.0 I get > > > > [/home/icecast/music/track01.mp3] > > [3:07] Size: 2997767 Bitrate: 128000 (38432 bytes/dot) > > [Error in read, > > exiting ] > > read: Broken pipe > > > > When I send a source stream using winamp, I get an invalid password > > error on winamp, and stupid headers on icecast. > > > > [19/Apr/2001:19:12:19] Kicking unknown 10 [64.170.116.180] [Stupid > > headers], connected for 0 seconds > > > > Anyone know why this happens? > > > > Sameer > > > > --- >8 ---- > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Fri Apr 20 04:56:25 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Thu, 19 Apr 2001 21:56:25 -0700 Subject: [icecast] lame question. In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010419233155.00a40b70@pop.oh.verio.com> Message-ID: <20010419215625.K2993@tk421.icecast.org> What default stream name? jack. On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:33:39PM -0400, john wrote: > ok. dont tell me i am lame. i already know. > my question is.. where is the default stream > name kept? i have rummaged through icecast.conf > and ices.conf, and to no avail, i cannot find it. > with no coding required on my part.. streaming works > on my Alpha. wohoo! > > ja. > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From sverma at sfsu.edu Fri Apr 20 18:13:53 2001 From: sverma at sfsu.edu (Sameer Verma) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 11:13:53 -0700 Subject: [icecast] ices question... Message-ID: <3AE07C61.91A9A733@sfsu.edu> When I run ices with icecast running, I get You have no libxml support. The config file you just specified cannot be used. Ices Exiting... I installed the rpms for libxml and libxml-devel. What else do I need? Sameer --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From plastic at m-net.arbornet.org Fri Apr 20 18:21:56 2001 From: plastic at m-net.arbornet.org (john) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 14:21:56 -0400 Subject: [icecast] ices question... In-Reply-To: <3AE07C61.91A9A733@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010420142055.00a42180@pop.oh.verio.com> At 11:13 AM 4/20/01 -0700, you wrote: >When I run ices with icecast running, I get > >You have no libxml support. The config file you just specified cannot be >used. >Ices Exiting... > >I installed the rpms for libxml and libxml-devel. What else do I need? ldconfig /with/path/to/libxml ja. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From Bryan.Walls at msfc.nasa.gov Fri Apr 20 18:32:06 2001 From: Bryan.Walls at msfc.nasa.gov (Bryan Walls) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 13:32:06 -0500 Subject: [icecast] lame question. In-Reply-To: <20010419215625.K2993@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: I think the question is, how do you change /icy_0 to /mystreamname, or at least /mystreamname_0. I'm guessing it would have to be somewhere in the source? I'd love to have some kind of control over stream names, such as having a particular mount point for a stream from a certain IP address. I have some macs streaming using MacAmp, and they have no way to specify mount point. Currently I'm streaming each stream to a Shoutcast server, and then aliasing from the icecast server. Really clunky, but I don't want all the streams changing names on me if either the macs or the icecast server were to reboot. At 9:56 PM -0700 4/19/01, Jack Moffitt wrote: >What default stream name? > >jack. > >On Thu, Apr 19, 2001 at 11:33:39PM -0400, john wrote: >> ok. dont tell me i am lame. i already know. >> my question is.. where is the default stream >> name kept? i have rummaged through icecast.conf >> and ices.conf, and to no avail, i cannot find it. >> with no coding required on my part.. streaming works >> on my Alpha. wohoo! >> >> ja. >> >> >> --- >8 ---- >> List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >> icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >> To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >> containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >> Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > >--- >8 ---- >List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ >icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ >To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' >containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. >Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. -- Bryan Walls My words are not NASA policy. Bryan.Walls at msfc.nasa.gov (256)544-3311voice,544-7128fax http://science.nasa.gov http://liftoff.msfc.nasa.gov http://kids.msfc.nasa.gov --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From plastic at m-net.arbornet.org Fri Apr 20 19:48:38 2001 From: plastic at m-net.arbornet.org (john) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 15:48:38 -0400 Subject: [icecast] ices question... In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010420142055.00a42180@pop.oh.verio.com> Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010420154734.00a6c6e0@pop.oh.verio.com> >>You have no libxml support. The config file you just specified cannot be >>used. >>Ices Exiting... >> >>I installed the rpms for libxml and libxml-devel. What else do I need? > >ldconfig /with/path/to/libxml damn. err.. put the path to libxml in /etc/ldconfig or wherever your config file is for your lib's and run ldconfig as superuser. if that doesnt fix your problem.. then.. get a voodoo doll. ja. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From andrewwu at Princeton.EDU Fri Apr 20 20:15:00 2001 From: andrewwu at Princeton.EDU (Andrew M. Wu) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 16:15:00 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [icecast] ices question... In-Reply-To: <3AE07C61.91A9A733@sfsu.edu> Message-ID: Hi, You probably need libxml2 (as specified on the www.libxml.org webpage. also after you ./configure ices, you'll need to change the checking for xml-config to xml2-config in config.cache file. ac_cv_prog_XMLCONFIG=${ac_cv_prog_XMLCONFIG=xml2-config} and to use the new libxml2 libxml.h to set the gnome_xml_parser_h=no ac_cv_header_gnome_xml_parser_h=${ac_cv_header_gnome_xml_parser_h=no}ac_cv_header_gnome_xml_parser_h=${ac_cv_header_gnome_xml_parser_h=no} At least that worked for me. Andrew On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, Sameer Verma wrote: > When I run ices with icecast running, I get > > You have no libxml support. The config file you just specified cannot be > used. > Ices Exiting... > > I installed the rpms for libxml and libxml-devel. What else do I need? > > Sameer > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From plastic at m-net.arbornet.org Fri Apr 20 22:21:53 2001 From: plastic at m-net.arbornet.org (john) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:21:53 -0400 Subject: [icecast] ices question... In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010420182115.00a3d050@pop.oh.verio.com> At 04:15 PM 4/20/01 -0400, you wrote: >Hi, > >You probably need libxml2 (as specified on the www.libxml.org webpage. Hmmf.. I dont have XML(1-2) installed. Odd i say. "Odd." ja. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From harvey at buskers.org Fri Apr 20 22:55:11 2001 From: harvey at buskers.org (harvey smith) Date: Fri, 20 Apr 2001 18:55:11 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [icecast] ices question... In-Reply-To: <5.0.2.1.2.20010420182115.00a3d050@pop.oh.verio.com> Message-ID: On Fri, 20 Apr 2001, john wrote: > At 04:15 PM 4/20/01 -0400, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >You probably need libxml2 (as specified on the www.libxml.org webpage. > > Hmmf.. I dont have XML(1-2) installed. Odd i say. "Odd." > > ja. > Truth is you only need libxml2 if you are using a config file, you could put all the parameters on the command line otherwise, I did that for a couple weeks. Harvey --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From raphaelh at easynet.fr Sat Apr 21 19:53:54 2001 From: raphaelh at easynet.fr (Raphaël HALIMI) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 21:53:54 +0200 Subject: [icecast] Problem with IceS Message-ID: <20010421215354.A28639@arche.inside.sanctuaire.net> Hi. I have a problem running IceS. I compiled it with xml support, but I still can't use the configfile. Error : XML Parser: Document of invalid type, no ices namespace found I tried to run "ices", "ices -c /usr/local/icecast/conf/ices.conf", nothing works. IceS with command-line options seems to work well. I don't know anything about XML but at the beginning of the config file, there is an URL (http://www.icecast.org/projects/ices) which leads to a 404 error. Any idea ? Thanks in advance. -- Rapha?l HALIMI --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Sat Apr 21 21:13:58 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 14:13:58 -0700 Subject: [raphaelh@easynet.fr: Re: [icecast] Problem with IceS] Message-ID: <20010421141358.F14412@tk421.icecast.org> Whoops, i replied offlist. This might be useful for others. jack. ----- Forwarded message from Rapha?l HALIMI ----- Delivered-To: jack at localhost.icecast.org Delivered-To: jack at icecast.org Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 22:09:36 +0200 From: Rapha?l HALIMI To: Jack Moffitt Subject: Re: [icecast] Problem with IceS User-Agent: Mutt/1.3.17i In-Reply-To: <20010421140522.E14412 at tk421.icecast.org>; from jack at icecast.org on sam, avr 21, 2001 at 02:05:22 -0700 On sam 21 avr 2001 14:05:22 GMT, Jack Moffitt wrote: > Try removing the comments before teh root node. Some xml parsers are > apparently buggy in regards to that. It works fine now... Thanks :-) -- Rapha?l HALIMI ----- End forwarded message ----- --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From raphaelh at easynet.fr Sat Apr 21 21:40:39 2001 From: raphaelh at easynet.fr (Raphaël HALIMI) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 23:40:39 +0200 Subject: [icecast] Problem IceS and lame Message-ID: <20010421234039.A3441@arche.inside.sanctuaire.net> Hello (again :-) I'm trying to compile IceS with re-encoding support - but I can't... The problem is : ***** reencode.c: In function `ices_reencode_initialize': reencode.c:46: too many arguments to function `lame_init' reencode.c:46: warning: comparison between pointer and integer reencode.c:65: warning: implicit declaration of function `lame_version' reencode.c: In function `ices_reencode_reset': reencode.c:97: too many arguments to function `lame_init' reencode.c:97: warning: comparison between pointer and integer make[3]: *** [reencode.o] Erreur 1 make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/icecast/ices-0.0.1.beta5/src' make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/icecast/ices-0.0.1.beta5/src' make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/icecast/ices-0.0.1.beta5' make: *** [all-recursive-am] Erreur 2 ***** I use last versions of both IceS and lame (0.0.1-beta5 and 3.88-beta). I saw that installing the new version of lame installs no .so files (only libmp3lame.la and libmp3lame.a in /usr/local/lib). Is that the problem ? How could I check if my installation of lame is suitable for IceS ? The configure script doesn't complains, but to make it compile, I had to specify the path to the include file (that was another problem), and now I can't find the solution for this one. Any idea ? Thanks in advance. -- Rapha?l HALIMI --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Sat Apr 21 22:44:50 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 15:44:50 -0700 Subject: [icecast] Problem IceS and lame In-Reply-To: <20010421234039.A3441@arche.inside.sanctuaire.net> Message-ID: <20010421154450.A14698@tk421.icecast.org> This is about the 4th time i've seen this asked, and I will answer it yet again. People, please search the archives _first_. Use the previous version of lame. 3.88 broke the api. 3.87 i believe works fine. jack. On Sat, Apr 21, 2001 at 11:40:39PM +0200, Rapha?l HALIMI wrote: > Hello (again :-) > > I'm trying to compile IceS with re-encoding support - but I can't... > > The problem is : > > ***** > reencode.c: In function `ices_reencode_initialize': > reencode.c:46: too many arguments to function `lame_init' > reencode.c:46: warning: comparison between pointer and integer > reencode.c:65: warning: implicit declaration of function `lame_version' > reencode.c: In function `ices_reencode_reset': > reencode.c:97: too many arguments to function `lame_init' > reencode.c:97: warning: comparison between pointer and integer > make[3]: *** [reencode.o] Erreur 1 > make[3]: Leaving directory `/home/icecast/ices-0.0.1.beta5/src' > make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 > make[2]: Leaving directory `/home/icecast/ices-0.0.1.beta5/src' > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Erreur 1 > make[1]: Leaving directory `/home/icecast/ices-0.0.1.beta5' > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Erreur 2 > ***** > > I use last versions of both IceS and lame (0.0.1-beta5 and 3.88-beta). > > I saw that installing the new version of lame installs no .so files > (only libmp3lame.la and libmp3lame.a in /usr/local/lib). Is that the > problem ? > > How could I check if my installation of lame is suitable for IceS ? The > configure script doesn't complains, but to make it compile, I had to > specify the path to the include file (that was another problem), and now > I can't find the solution for this one. > > Any idea ? > > Thanks in advance. > > -- > Rapha?l HALIMI > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Sat Apr 21 23:13:13 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 16:13:13 -0700 Subject: [icecast] yp.shoutcast.com Message-ID: <20010421161313.B14698@tk421.icecast.org> Thanks to Adam Greenbaum for recently helping me get libshout fully icy compatible. I'll be releasing a new libshout and libshout-perl this weekend, but int he meantime, you can grab the head of CVS for each and you'll get the same thing. Also, he tracked down some yp.shoutcast.com problems, and I have checked in a solution that lists icecast servers on yp.shoutcast.com once again. I'm willing to spend some time making sure this works well. Let me know if you have any questions/problems. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From raphaelh at easynet.fr Sat Apr 21 23:06:26 2001 From: raphaelh at easynet.fr (Raphaël HALIMI) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 01:06:26 +0200 Subject: [icecast] Problem IceS and lame In-Reply-To: <20010421154450.A14698@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <20010422010626.A30169@arche.inside.sanctuaire.net> On sam 21 avr 2001 15:44:50 GMT, Jack Moffitt wrote: > This is about the 4th time i've seen this asked, and I will answer it > yet again. > > People, please search the archives _first_. > > Use the previous version of lame. 3.88 broke the api. 3.87 i believe > works fine. > > jack. Sorry. I promess I'll do next time :-) And thanks forthe answer. -- Rapha?l HALIMI --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Sun Apr 22 02:00:21 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Sat, 21 Apr 2001 19:00:21 -0700 Subject: [icecast] yp.shoutcast.com In-Reply-To: <20010421161313.B14698@tk421.icecast.org> Message-ID: <20010421190021.D14698@tk421.icecast.org> > Let me know if you have any questions/problems. After testing it a while, I figured out that directory_remove() was never being done. That's been fixed. Remember that using icy style directories means you can only list ONE source on the directory. It will list the default source, no matter how many you have connected, and it will only remove the listing once the default source doesn't exist (ie, all sources are gone). The reason this limitation exists, is because icy dirs don't allow duplicate entries, and it checks this with _only_ ip:port. Changing icecast to work around this limiation in icy directories would require significant work I think, and it's probably not going to happen. If you want to use multiple streams that all get listed at yp.shoutcast.com, you'll have to run each stream on it's own server. In any case, current cvs works. I'll release a 1.3.11 this weekend with that change unless I hear any bug reports on this issue :) jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From plastic at m-net.arbornet.org Sun Apr 22 16:49:30 2001 From: plastic at m-net.arbornet.org (john) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 12:49:30 -0400 Subject: [icecast] Sample working Ices config Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010422124740.00a31b50@pop.oh.verio.com> Hmmf.. as my ices proggie works, just not as intended, i think it may be the config file. and as such, i do not have xml installed, i would like to have some ones example *working* config file. before i venture to install some more libraries. ja. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From tweaker at yahoo.com Mon Apr 23 01:33:40 2001 From: tweaker at yahoo.com (Tweaker) Date: Sun, 22 Apr 2001 21:33:40 -0400 Subject: [icecast] Different User Message-ID: <00c501c0cb95$6cda8600$4dd55818@triad.rr.com> Is there a way that I can have icecast run as a different user other than root? Thomas --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From steve.smith at isay.com.au Mon Apr 23 01:49:16 2001 From: steve.smith at isay.com.au (Steve Smith) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 11:49:16 +1000 Subject: [icecast] Different User In-Reply-To: <00c501c0cb95$6cda8600$4dd55818@triad.rr.com> Message-ID: <15075.35356.553109.293958@forge.int.isay.com.au> "Tweaker" == Tweaker writes: > Is there a way that I can have icecast run as a different user other > than root? I'm currently working on a patch against CVS that will add the ability to drop root privileges and (optionally) enter a chroot jail. This can be done using 'su' and 'chroot' from the command-line/startup script, but being able to specify it in the config is a lot easier/cleaner to me. Let me know if you want to be a tester for it. Steve --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From harvey at buskers.org Mon Apr 23 05:39:28 2001 From: harvey at buskers.org (harvey smith) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 01:39:28 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [icecast] Different User In-Reply-To: <15075.35356.553109.293958@forge.int.isay.com.au> Message-ID: Hi All, Hey there is no reason to run icecast as root. So the easy thing is just not run icecast as root. In fact why are you running as root to begin with?? On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Steve Smith wrote: > "Tweaker" == Tweaker writes: > > Is there a way that I can have icecast run as a different user other > > than root? > > I'm currently working on a patch against CVS that will add the ability > to drop root privileges and (optionally) enter a chroot jail. This > can be done using 'su' and 'chroot' from the command-line/startup > script, but being able to specify it in the config is a lot > easier/cleaner to me. > > Let me know if you want to be a tester for it. > > Steve > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From steve.smith at isay.com.au Mon Apr 23 05:44:25 2001 From: steve.smith at isay.com.au (Steve Smith) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 15:44:25 +1000 Subject: [icecast] Different User In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <15075.49465.362743.683303@forge.int.isay.com.au> "harvey" == harvey smith writes: > Hi All, Hey there is no reason to run icecast as root. So the easy > thing is just not run icecast as root. In fact why are you running > as root to begin with?? If icecast is run from startup scripts on boot then it will almost certainly be running as root. Steve --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From harvey at buskers.org Mon Apr 23 10:08:08 2001 From: harvey at buskers.org (harvey smith) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 06:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [icecast] Different User In-Reply-To: <15075.49465.362743.683303@forge.int.isay.com.au> Message-ID: On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Steve Smith wrote: > "harvey" == harvey smith writes: > > Hi All, Hey there is no reason to run icecast as root. So the easy > > thing is just not run icecast as root. In fact why are you running > > as root to begin with?? > > If icecast is run from startup scripts on boot then it will almost > certainly be running as root. Then the start up scripts are in error, you could do a 'su' in the script. Wgere did you get the start-up scripts from? Harvey > > Steve > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From tim at nvhs.nl Mon Apr 23 11:09:50 2001 From: tim at nvhs.nl (tim) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 13:09:50 +0200 Subject: [icecast] Different User In-Reply-To: <00c501c0cb95$6cda8600$4dd55818@triad.rr.com> Message-ID: <20010423130950.A29571@xs4all.nl> yes, just chown to whatever you want. I did that, works fine. m. On Sun, Apr 22, 2001 at 09:33:40PM -0400, Tweaker wrote: > Is there a way that I can have icecast run as a different user other than > root? > > Thomas > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From dr at musicabona.cz Mon Apr 23 14:18:45 2001 From: dr at musicabona.cz (Martin Dressler) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 16:18:45 +0200 Subject: [icecast] lame question. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <01042316184501.14020@office> On Fri 20. April 2001 20:32, you wrote: > I think the question is, how do you change /icy_0 to /mystreamname, > or at least /mystreamname_0. I'm guessing it would have to be > somewhere in the source? > you can specify a mount point on comandline (ices -m mystreamname) I dont know if it is posible in config file. Reagrds, MaDr -- Martin Dressler e-mail: dr at musicabona.cz http://www.musicabona.com/ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From matt at yitiens.dhs.org Mon Apr 23 20:12:32 2001 From: matt at yitiens.dhs.org (matt at yitiens.dhs.org) Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2001 14:12:32 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [icecast] Different User In-Reply-To: <15075.49465.362743.683303@forge.int.isay.com.au> Message-ID: try this.. in your /etc/rc.d/rc.local file (assuming RH compatible) su -c /usr/local/icecast/bin/icecast iceadm & create the user iceadm and edit the /etc/shadow file replace the !! that follows iceadm: with a '*'. iceadm:*:..... the '*' tells the os that it's a non-loginable acct. I use this format for all services. icecast, junkbuster, squid, etc. Hope that helps, matt On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Steve Smith wrote: > "harvey" == harvey smith writes: > > Hi All, Hey there is no reason to run icecast as root. So the easy > > thing is just not run icecast as root. In fact why are you running > > as root to begin with?? > > If icecast is run from startup scripts on boot then it will almost > certainly be running as root. > > Steve > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From steve.smith at isay.com.au Tue Apr 24 01:37:48 2001 From: steve.smith at isay.com.au (Steve Smith) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 11:37:48 +1000 Subject: [icecast] Different User In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <15076.55532.295831.809889@forge.int.isay.com.au> "harvey" == harvey smith writes: > On Mon, 23 Apr 2001, Steve Smith wrote: >> "harvey" == harvey smith writes: > Hi All, Hey >> there is no reason to run icecast as root. So the easy > thing is >> just not run icecast as root. In fact why are you running > as root >> to begin with?? >> >> If icecast is run from startup scripts on boot then it will almost >> certainly be running as root. > Then the start up scripts are in error, you could do a 'su' in the > script. Wgere did you get the start-up scripts from? Sorry, I was a bit quick off the bat there. Yes, a startup script should do 'su' if the application doesn't need root. However, there are times where you may need to run as root (if wish to listen on a port < 1024, for instance. I don't know of anyone doing this, but they may wish to.) If this is necessary, then icecast should drop the privileges as soon as it has finished with them. In my case, I need the root privileges as I want icecast to run in a chroot jail. Once the jail is entered root privileges should be dropped. This is tricky/not possible unless the application is aware of it's privileges and can drop them. Entering a jail is also much trickier when done external to the application. So I've patched icecast to do all this for me, in a simple and configurable way. Besides, I'm a believer in "secure by default", or at least "security should be easy". Having the security settings in icecast and available as an option on installation means that security is available to the none-expert user. Anyway, enough of the soapbox, I'll post the first version of the patch to this list and -devel soon. Regards, Steve --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From steve.smith at isay.com.au Tue Apr 24 02:05:49 2001 From: steve.smith at isay.com.au (Steve Smith) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 12:05:49 +1000 Subject: [icecast] [PATCH] Configurable privileges and chroot jail Message-ID: <15076.57213.397278.545187@forge.int.isay.com.au> Hi, I have now posted my patch to enter a chroot jail and drop unnecessary privileges to the icecast-dev list. This is a 'works for me' level patch against CVS, so testing and comments are welcome. > From the posting: This patch (against the current CVS tree) is intended to add secure configuration to icecast 'out of the box'. It adds two configuration directives, 'icecast_user' and 'chroot_dir'. These are intended to be used together to reduce the privileges icecast runs under to the minimum necessary. When this is enabled and run as root icecast will enter the specified chroot jail and drop privileges to the user specified. The chroot_dir option will probably not work if --enable-fsstd is specified, although I haven't actually tried it. I would appreciate any comments and suggestions. Cheers, Steve --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From noldenburg at ctberlin.de Tue Apr 24 12:58:08 2001 From: noldenburg at ctberlin.de (Nils Christian Oldenburg) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 14:58:08 +0200 Subject: [icecast] ices question Message-ID: hi folks, after some adventures for setup an icecast server , the system is now running, but there where some questions open: 1. ) i use ices as streamer for the server. in some cases (i dont know why) is ices break after an while of streaming. ices re-encode the mp3 files with lame 3.88 to stream them. there is no hint why the stream is broken in the log files. after an restart of ices all looks good. The time for the next break is randomly, i.e. after 40 titles or more. is there an hint why the stream breaks ? 2.) we use the server in our lan , with no public access and no publishing to yp.icecast.org ! what can i do to make my own directory server in the lan ? 3.) the hardware of my server is a pIII-450 with 2xgb hd , 128MB ram and an 100MB ethernet nic(possible a good system). If i want to start more than 3 streams , all streams are running not continously. many dropouts and squelches while playing. is there an config problem nor is the hardware too small ? the stream running with 128kbs/44khz. ive tested with 64kps/22khz and 32kps/22khz and there is no better run of the server..... if there is an need for my config-files i will post them ... hope for some answers .... thx nils from germany --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From thomas at urgent.rug.ac.be Tue Apr 24 14:18:43 2001 From: thomas at urgent.rug.ac.be (Thomas Vander Stichele) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 16:18:43 +0200 (CEST) Subject: [icecast] ices question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hi, > hi folks, > after some adventures for setup an icecast server , the system is now > running, but there where some questions open: > 1. ) i use ices as streamer for the server. in some cases (i dont know why) > is ices break after an while of streaming. ices re-encode the mp3 files with > lame 3.88 to stream them. there is no hint why the stream is broken in the > log files. after an restart of ices all looks good. The time for the next > break is randomly, i.e. after 40 titles or more. is there an hint why the > stream breaks ? ices uses the lame 3.87 API. They changed it for the new version. download 3.87 and try that and see if it works. > 3.) the hardware of my server is a pIII-450 with 2xgb hd , 128MB ram and an > 100MB ethernet nic(possible a good system). If i want to start more than 3 > streams , all streams are running not continously. many dropouts and > squelches while playing. is there an config problem nor is the hardware too > small ? the stream running with 128kbs/44khz. ive tested with 64kps/22khz > and 32kps/22khz and there is no better run of the server..... my guess is you connect all of the clients to the same mount point, causing icecast to interleave the data. Which is obviously not a good thing. If this is the case, then you should get the errors as soon as you start the second stream. You can also check by pointing your web browser at http://>:8000/list.cgi and see what mount points you have registered. thomas <-*- -*-> Xander : "We kind of have a romantic evening planned." Anya : "We were gonna light a bunch of candles and have sex near them." <-*- thomas at apestaart.org -*-> URGent, the best radio on the Internet - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From plastic at m-net.arbornet.org Tue Apr 24 14:38:16 2001 From: plastic at m-net.arbornet.org (john) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 10:38:16 -0400 Subject: [icecast] ices question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <5.0.2.1.2.20010424103109.00a411b0@pop.oh.verio.com> > > after some adventures for setup an icecast server , the system is now > > running, but there where some questions open: > > 1. ) i use ices as streamer for the server. in some cases (i dont know why) > > is ices break after an while of streaming. ices re-encode the mp3 files > with > > lame 3.88 to stream them. there is no hint why the stream is broken in the > > log files. after an restart of ices all looks good. The time for the next > > break is randomly, i.e. after 40 titles or more. is there an hint why the > > stream breaks ? > >ices uses the lame 3.87 API. They changed it for the new version. >download 3.87 and try that and see if it works. It may not be Lame. I had the exact problem with my setup of Icecast-1.3.10 and Ices-0.0.1-beta5. I have tried winamp versions 2.71, 2.65, 2.09. I dont think that problem is in Winamp. As to where the problem lies, i can only comment that it may actually be in Ices. Who knows. My opinion is just that, an opinion. Alas.. ja. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From noldenburg at ctberlin.de Tue Apr 24 15:17:40 2001 From: noldenburg at ctberlin.de (Nils Christian Oldenburg) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:17:40 +0200 Subject: AW: [icecast] ices question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hi , my guess is you connect all of the clients to the same mount point, causing icecast to interleave the data. Which is obviously not a good thing. If this is the case, then you should get the errors as soon as you start the second stream. i start any stream via sh-skript like : ./ices -B -d Radiocity -F /music/playlists/alternative.pls -m /alternative -g Alternative -h localhost -n Alternative -p 8001 -P -r -R -b 128 -s 0 >/dev/null ./ices -B -d Radiocity -F /music/playlists/dance.pls -m /dance -g Dance -h localhost -n Dance -p 8001 -P -r -R -b 128 -s 0 >/dev/null .... is this correct ? at this moment i will try another lame , 3.87 You can also check by pointing your web browser at http://>:8000/list.cgi and see what mount points you have registered. it shows correctly all the mountpoints given by the "-m" parameter above thx thomas <-*- -*-> Xander : "We kind of have a romantic evening planned." Anya : "We were gonna light a bunch of candles and have sex near them." <-*- thomas at apestaart.org -*-> URGent, the best radio on the Internet - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From ramzeus at home.se Tue Apr 24 15:27:53 2001 From: ramzeus at home.se (Patrik Lindahl) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 17:27:53 +0200 Subject: [icecast] Ices trouble? Message-ID: <421923126.20010424172753@home.se> Hello.. Why is my stream visible in ShoutCast but not in the IceCast directory? And why is the URL on the ShoutCast pointing to http://www.icecast.org/ ? I've set the URL to my page in the ices commandline... ~~ Med v?nliga h?lsningar, Patrik Lindahl mailto:ramzeus at home.se --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From thomas at urgent.rug.ac.be Tue Apr 24 17:36:37 2001 From: thomas at urgent.rug.ac.be (Thomas Vander Stichele) Date: Tue, 24 Apr 2001 19:36:37 +0200 (CEST) Subject: AW: [icecast] ices question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: > i start any stream via sh-skript like : > ./ices -B -d Radiocity -F /music/playlists/alternative.pls -m > /alternative -g Alternative -h localhost -n Alternative -p 8001 -P > -r -R -b 128 -s 0 >/dev/null > > ./ices -B -d Radiocity -F /music/playlists/dance.pls -m /dance -g Dance -h > localhost -n Dance -p 8001 -P -r -R -b 128 -s 0 >/dev/null > > .... > > is this correct ? > at this moment i will try another lame , 3.87 that seems correct. If the different mount points are listed then that is not the problem. Why do you specify port 8001 in ices, however ? if you left icecast.conf as per default, it listens on both 8000 and 8001, so that should work, anyway. But it seems a weird thing to do, and I'm not sure how the metadata streaming works that winamp expects, but I would think that winamp tries to look for it on a port where icecast is not listening. I would also try specifying port 8000 or dropping the parameter altogether (since 8000 is the default). If you give your ip address and it's accessible, I could listen and maybe hear what the problem is. thomas <-*- -*-> Get off that stuff, she said And I'll stone you instead Unchain yourself, said she And tie yourself to me <-*- thomas at apestaart.org -*-> URGent, the best radio on the Internet - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/ --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From noldenburg at ctberlin.de Wed Apr 25 05:36:52 2001 From: noldenburg at ctberlin.de (Nils Christian Oldenburg) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 07:36:52 +0200 Subject: AW: AW: [icecast] ices question In-Reply-To: Message-ID: hi, > Why do you specify port 8001 in ices, however ? if you left icecast.conf > as per default, it listens on both 8000 and 8001, so that should work, > anyway. But it seems a weird thing to do, and I'm not sure how the > metadata streaming works that winamp expects, but I would think that > winamp tries to look for it on a port where icecast is not listening. > I would also try specifying port 8000 or dropping the parameter altogether > (since 8000 is the default). > changed to 8000 doesnt change the problem, the same after an downgrading on lame 3.87 > If you give your ip address and it's accessible, I could listen and maybe > hear what the problem is. double firewalled :-) sorry , no way in thx, the other question is for an good managementsoftware for an directory in our intranet. what system is the best one ? any hints ? thx & bye nils > > thomas > > <-*- -*-> > Get off that stuff, she said > And I'll stone you instead > Unchain yourself, said she > And tie yourself to me > <-*- thomas at apestaart.org -*-> > URGent, the best radio on the Internet - 24/7 ! - http://urgent.rug.ac.be/ > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to > 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From yannski at www-aius.u-strasbg.fr Wed Apr 25 14:09:41 2001 From: yannski at www-aius.u-strasbg.fr (yannski at www-aius.u-strasbg.fr) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 16:09:41 +0200 (CEST) Subject: (no subject) Message-ID: <988207781.3ae6daa511edf@www-aius.u-strasbg.fr> Hi everybody, I want to know if icecast support IPv6 in any way ? Thanks in advance, Yann --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From conflict at blastfurnace.suppression.org Wed Apr 25 17:12:23 2001 From: conflict at blastfurnace.suppression.org (conflict at blastfurnace.suppression.org) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 10:12:23 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] iceS/Icecast Problems Message-ID: Hello, I'm new to the list, just want to say thanks a head of time to who ever can help me out with some streaming problems Hareware/software: Athlon 700 128megs of RAM 256megs swap FreeBSD 4.2-RELEASE 100mbit connection icecast 1.3.10 ices (beta) My setup: I am running 2 spawns of icecast and 2 spawns of ices. one ices process is reencoding to 24bit and the other to 128bit and both are being streamed to the 2 icecast servers separatly. Therefore, modem users connect to port 8000 and get the low bandwidth stream and cable/dsl/etc connect to port 9000 for high bandwidth. Both streams are streaming the same materical at the same time because one of the streams is getting its playlist "on the fly" from the temp playlist the other stream is creating. The reason why I set it up this way was so both streams would be listed in the yp directories and I also wasn't sure how I could set it up using one ices and icecast process that will recode 2 differant bitrates and stream them at the same time. (suggestions on how to do this are more than welcome) The problem: Clients can connect fine and hear the stream, yet some people report choppiness and chirpiness and some people hear it fine. The people that report the chirps and chops say usually they just reconnect and it goes away, but they have to do this often. Eventually, the server will start kicking people off on its own and then eventually ices will die all together. That is why I believe the problem lies with ices. I have tried running the server with streaming titles both on and off. Same thing happens. I have also heard that icecast/ices has problems under FreeBSD and this behavior is typical with FBSD. Can anyone confirm or dispel that? Here are the errors directly from my log file and console: Streaming 2783104 bytes from file /serve/ftp/mp3s/m/Menace-R.I.P._G.L.C/04_I_Need_Nothing.mp3 bitstream problem: resyncing... Updated metadata on server to: Menace - I Need Nothing ----------------- Updated metadata on server to: 00-Charles_Bronson-Unanswered-Split_7''_[Unanswered_Insert] strange error flushing buffer ... Streaming 1298929 bytes from file /serve/ftp/mp3s/d/Disrupt_&_Destroy_Split/Destroy-15-Childrens_Crusade.mp3 ----------------- [04/Mar/2001:02:17:30] [4:Source Thread] Kicking client 29 [dkno314A.knowles.umt.edu] [Too many errors (client not receiving data fa st enough)] [listener], connected for 13 minutes and 49 seconds, 9695602 bytes transfered. 0 clients connected ----------------- Streaming 5433334 bytes from file /serve/ftp/mp3s/a/Anti-Nowhere_League-The_Best_of_ANL/13_On_The_Waterfront.mp3 Updated metadata on server to: 13_On_The_Waterfront big_values too large! mpg123: Can't rewind stream by 484 bits! big_values too large! ----------------- Warning: Encountered error while transfering /serve/ftp/mp3s/s/Servotron-Entertainment_Program/07-Servotron-Phonetic_Lecture.mp3. [L ibshout reported send error: Libshout socket error.] Libshout communication problem, trying to reconnect to server Warning: Encountered error while transfering /serve/ftp/mp3s/d/Dropkick_Murphys-Oxymoron_Split_7''/Oxymoron-03-Faces_From_Below.mp3. [Libshout reported send error: Libshout socket error.] Libshout communication problem, trying to reconnect to server Failed reconnecting to server 127.0.0.1, error: 3 Ices Exiting... Failed reconnecting to server 127.0.0.1, error: 3 Ices Exiting... Any help would be appreciated! Thanks, Paul conflict at unixpunx.org --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From mark at knm.org Wed Apr 25 17:17:55 2001 From: mark at knm.org (Mark Lehrer) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:17:55 -0600 Subject: [icecast] iceS/Icecast Problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <200104251717.LAA14614@home.knm.org> 100mbit connection icecast 1.3.10 ices (beta) ... Clients can connect fine and hear the stream, yet some people report choppiness and chirpiness and some people hear it fine. The people that report the chirps and chops say usually they just reconnect and it goes away, but they have to do this often. Eventually, the server will start kicking people off on its own and then eventually ices will die all together. That is why I believe the problem lies with ices. I have tried running the server with streaming titles both on and off. Same thing happens. I have also heard that icecast/ices has problems under FreeBSD and this behavior is typical with FBSD. Can anyone confirm or dispel that? This is a bug in icecast up through version 1.3.10 - congested connections can lead to the choppiness. Some clients (loseamp) also cause the problem more easily. I believe there is a fix in the latest CVS version, or I can send you a quick one-line fix. Mark --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Wed Apr 25 18:24:11 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 11:24:11 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] Icecast Workshop Announcement (fwd) Message-ID: Jeremy's one of the guys who helped us write a lot of the dj infrastructure at icast. He's got a lot of cool tricks up his sleeve. Wish I could go... jack. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- Date: Wed, 25 Apr 2001 01:47:47 -0700 (PDT) From: jeremy bierbach To: emily at greenwitch.com, chad at icecast.org, jack at icecast.org Subject: Icecast Workshop Announcement Hey, I didn't know who to send this to, but here's an announcement of the course I'm going to do, in case you want to post it on icecast.org... [Amsterdam] Streaming Audio With Icecast Workshop Want to start an Internet radio station but think you have to buy expensive server software? Come to this workshop to learn how you can set up a rock-solid streaming MP3 station for free using nothing but a Linux box and an Internet connection. Also learn about Vorbis, the new open-source audio format that is a superior alternative to MP3. Where: ASCII, Jodenbreestraat 24 (near Waterlooplein), Amsterdam, The Netherlands -- http://squat.net/ascii/ When: 19:00, Tuesday, May 8, 2001 --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From brendan at kublai.com Thu Apr 26 23:40:13 2001 From: brendan at kublai.com (Brendan Cully) Date: Thu, 26 Apr 2001 19:40:13 -0400 Subject: [icecast] one ices, 2 streams (high/low bitrate) Message-ID: <20010426194013.A1677@xanadu.kublai.com> Hi, I'm looking into switching from liveice to ices. I like to provide the same stream at two bitrates (56/24), which is simple from liveice. But my initial impression is that you can't do this within ices? Do you need to run two separate instances of ices with different configurations? I'd like to run only one because: 1. only one mp3 decoder runs (saves CPU on my K6-3/450) 2. the streams are automatically synchronised - no confusion in my 'now playing' display. 3. only one instance of my perl playlist module activated - no worries about locking problems, race conditions with database updates, or any complicated master/slave playlist module arrangements. So, does anyone have any advice about running two streams (same playlist) from one ices process? Thanks, Brendan --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From trev0r at speakeasy.net Fri Apr 27 22:36:31 2001 From: trev0r at speakeasy.net (A.J. Lindner) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:36:31 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] pull relay problems Message-ID: heya... i'm extremely new to the list (10 minutes), and i have a burnin' question that i was hopin' you folks could help me out with. i'm running beos as an encoder box, with two streams (8000 and 8001) hosted on it. the idea is to use my redhat box to relay those streams to the public using icecast, allowing the be machines cpu cycles to focus solely on encoding. anyway, i start up icecast, and set up two relay pulls from the bebox's streams on ports 8000 and 8001. now, i'm able to connect to icecast on both ports...but, it's playing the stream from 8000 on both 8000 and 8001, even though i specified different ports when i setup the relays. does icecast not recognize multiple source ports on the same ip? or...am i missing something extremely obvious here? thanks in advance... A.J. Lindner Speakeasy Network 206.728.9770 1.800.556.5829 --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Fri Apr 27 22:40:08 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:40:08 -0700 Subject: [icecast] pull relay problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010427154008.D12960@tk421.cantcode.com> Why are you using multiple ports at all? That's what mountpoints are for. jack. On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 03:36:31PM -0700, A.J. Lindner wrote: > heya... > > i'm extremely new to the list (10 minutes), and i have a burnin' question > that i was hopin' you folks could help me out with. > > i'm running beos as an encoder box, with two streams (8000 and 8001) > hosted on it. > > the idea is to use my redhat box to relay those streams to the public > using icecast, allowing the be machines cpu cycles to focus solely on > encoding. > > anyway, i start up icecast, and set up two relay pulls from the bebox's > streams on ports 8000 and 8001. > > now, i'm able to connect to icecast on both ports...but, it's playing the > stream from 8000 on both 8000 and 8001, even though i specified different > ports when i setup the relays. > > does icecast not recognize multiple source ports on the same ip? > > or...am i missing something extremely obvious here? > > thanks in advance... > > > A.J. Lindner > Speakeasy Network > 206.728.9770 > 1.800.556.5829 > > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From trev0r at speakeasy.net Fri Apr 27 22:57:37 2001 From: trev0r at speakeasy.net (A.J. Lindner) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 15:57:37 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] pull relay problems In-Reply-To: <20010427154008.D12960@tk421.cantcode.com> Message-ID: i was using multiple ports because that's how i figured i'd have to do it. o, mounting the remote source locally? i'm not familiar with how to do this. i'm also not seeing how to do this in the docs. how would i go about mounting a remote stream? -a.j. On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Jack Moffitt wrote: > Why are you using multiple ports at all? That's what mountpoints are > for. > > jack. > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 03:36:31PM -0700, A.J. Lindner wrote: > > heya... > > > > i'm extremely new to the list (10 minutes), and i have a burnin' question > > that i was hopin' you folks could help me out with. > > > > i'm running beos as an encoder box, with two streams (8000 and 8001) > > hosted on it. > > > > the idea is to use my redhat box to relay those streams to the public > > using icecast, allowing the be machines cpu cycles to focus solely on > > encoding. > > > > anyway, i start up icecast, and set up two relay pulls from the bebox's > > streams on ports 8000 and 8001. > > > > now, i'm able to connect to icecast on both ports...but, it's playing the > > stream from 8000 on both 8000 and 8001, even though i specified different > > ports when i setup the relays. > > > > does icecast not recognize multiple source ports on the same ip? > > > > or...am i missing something extremely obvious here? > > > > thanks in advance... > > > > > > A.J. Lindner > > Speakeasy Network > > 206.728.9770 > > 1.800.556.5829 > > > > > > > > > > --- >8 ---- > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Fri Apr 27 23:01:46 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:01:46 -0700 Subject: [icecast] pull relay problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010427160146.F12960@tk421.cantcode.com> One stream should have a mountpoint of /stream1 or something, and the other of /stream2. Then you access a stream like so: http://my.server.com:8000/stream1 or http://my.server.com:8000/stream2 then in the other icecast server, you just: relay pull http://my.server.com:8000/stream1 relay pull http://my.server.com:8000/stream2 that should work. jack. On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 03:57:37PM -0700, A.J. Lindner wrote: > > i was using multiple ports because that's how i figured i'd have to do > it. > > so, mounting the remote source locally? i'm not familiar with how to do > this. i'm also not seeing how to do this in the docs. > > how would i go about mounting a remote stream? > > > -a.j. > > > > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Jack Moffitt wrote: > > > Why are you using multiple ports at all? That's what mountpoints are > > for. > > > > jack. > > > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 03:36:31PM -0700, A.J. Lindner wrote: > > > heya... > > > > > > i'm extremely new to the list (10 minutes), and i have a burnin' question > > > that i was hopin' you folks could help me out with. > > > > > > i'm running beos as an encoder box, with two streams (8000 and 8001) > > > hosted on it. > > > > > > the idea is to use my redhat box to relay those streams to the public > > > using icecast, allowing the be machines cpu cycles to focus solely on > > > encoding. > > > > > > anyway, i start up icecast, and set up two relay pulls from the bebox's > > > streams on ports 8000 and 8001. > > > > > > now, i'm able to connect to icecast on both ports...but, it's playing the > > > stream from 8000 on both 8000 and 8001, even though i specified different > > > ports when i setup the relays. > > > > > > does icecast not recognize multiple source ports on the same ip? > > > > > > or...am i missing something extremely obvious here? > > > > > > thanks in advance... > > > > > > > > > A.J. Lindner > > > Speakeasy Network > > > 206.728.9770 > > > 1.800.556.5829 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- >8 ---- > > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > > > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > > > --- >8 ---- > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > > > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From conflict at blastfurnace.suppression.org Fri Apr 27 23:06:16 2001 From: conflict at blastfurnace.suppression.org (conflict at blastfurnace.suppression.org) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:06:16 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] pull relay problems In-Reply-To: <20010427160146.F12960@tk421.cantcode.com> Message-ID: Would there be a way to have /stream1 and /stream2 be the same content but encoded at differant bitrates (via iceS)? thanks, paul On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Jack Moffitt wrote: > One stream should have a mountpoint of /stream1 or something, and the > other of /stream2. > > Then you access a stream like so: > > http://my.server.com:8000/stream1 > or > http://my.server.com:8000/stream2 > > then in the other icecast server, you just: > > relay pull http://my.server.com:8000/stream1 > relay pull http://my.server.com:8000/stream2 > > that should work. > > jack. > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 03:57:37PM -0700, A.J. Lindner wrote: > > > > i was using multiple ports because that's how i figured i'd have to do > > it. > > > > so, mounting the remote source locally? i'm not familiar with how to do > > this. i'm also not seeing how to do this in the docs. > > > > how would i go about mounting a remote stream? > > > > > > -a.j. > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, 27 Apr 2001, Jack Moffitt wrote: > > > > > Why are you using multiple ports at all? That's what mountpoints are > > > for. > > > > > > jack. > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 03:36:31PM -0700, A.J. Lindner wrote: > > > > heya... > > > > > > > > i'm extremely new to the list (10 minutes), and i have a burnin' question > > > > that i was hopin' you folks could help me out with. > > > > > > > > i'm running beos as an encoder box, with two streams (8000 and 8001) > > > > hosted on it. > > > > > > > > the idea is to use my redhat box to relay those streams to the public > > > > using icecast, allowing the be machines cpu cycles to focus solely on > > > > encoding. > > > > > > > > anyway, i start up icecast, and set up two relay pulls from the bebox's > > > > streams on ports 8000 and 8001. > > > > > > > > now, i'm able to connect to icecast on both ports...but, it's playing the > > > > stream from 8000 on both 8000 and 8001, even though i specified different > > > > ports when i setup the relays. > > > > > > > > does icecast not recognize multiple source ports on the same ip? > > > > > > > > or...am i missing something extremely obvious here? > > > > > > > > thanks in advance... > > > > > > > > > > > > A.J. Lindner > > > > Speakeasy Network > > > > 206.728.9770 > > > > 1.800.556.5829 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- >8 ---- > > > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > > > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > > > > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > > > > > --- >8 ---- > > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > > > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > > > > > > > > --- >8 ---- > > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > > --- >8 ---- > List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ > icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ > To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' > containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. > Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. > --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Fri Apr 27 23:10:53 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:10:53 -0700 Subject: [icecast] pull relay problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010427161053.H12960@tk421.cantcode.com> On Fri, Apr 27, 2001 at 04:06:16PM -0700, conflict at blastfurnace.suppression.org wrote: > > Would there be a way to have /stream1 and /stream2 be the same > content but encoded at differant bitrates (via iceS)? Yes, although I don't think alex added this feature (it was on the list). This will be in ices2 for sure. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From conflict at blastfurnace.suppression.org Fri Apr 27 23:22:10 2001 From: conflict at blastfurnace.suppression.org (conflict at blastfurnace.suppression.org) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:22:10 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [icecast] pull relay problems In-Reply-To: <20010427161053.H12960@tk421.cantcode.com> Message-ID: Jack, thanks for the heads up. Could you possibly tell me what this error means: Warning: Encountered error while transfering /serve/ftp/mp3s/various_artists/Various_Artists-BLLLEEEEAAAUUURRRRGGHHH!-The_Record_7''/06-Nuclear_Roach-Pessimism-Fcs.mp3. [Libshout reported send error: Libshout socket error.] Libshout communication problem, trying to reconnect to server Failed reconnecting to server 127.0.0.1, error: 3 Ices Exiting... My stream is also getting a lot of: bitstream problem: resyncing... big_values too large! clients are dropped from the stream and the stream dies all together often as well and I think those above errors are what is causing this. thanks a head of time, paul --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Fri Apr 27 23:32:50 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Fri, 27 Apr 2001 16:32:50 -0700 Subject: [icecast] pull relay problems In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <20010427163250.I12960@tk421.cantcode.com> > Warning: Encountered error while transfering > /serve/ftp/mp3s/various_artists/Various_Artists-BLLLEEEEAAAUUURRRRGGHHH!-The_Record_7''/06-Nuclear_Roach-Pessimism-Fcs.mp3. [Libshout > reported send error: Libshout socket error.] > Libshout communication problem, trying to reconnect to server > Failed reconnecting to server 127.0.0.1, error: 3 > Ices Exiting... libshout got booted from icecast, or something like that. generally happens when libshout isn't sending data fast enough. do you have enough cpu to reencode two streams at the same time? > My stream is also getting a lot of: > > bitstream problem: resyncing... > big_values too large! What clienti s this from? If you're reencoding is not going fast enough, you will skip, which will likely cause problems like this. Otherwise, maybe this is just a buggy client? Not enough info yet to have a good answer. > clients are dropped from the stream and the stream dies all together often > as well and I think those above errors are what is causing this. Well step one is to figure out what's wrong with ices. that's probably the only real problem, and the others are fallouts from this. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From spark21c at yahoo.com Sat Apr 28 06:38:03 2001 From: spark21c at yahoo.com (¹Ú»óÁØ) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 18:38:03 +1200 (NZST) Subject: [icecast] liblame Message-ID: <20010428063803.63513.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Hi, I am new to this, so please bear with me if this has been answered before. I compiled IceS to stream mp3s to Icecast and it works fine except for two things. 1. I cannot get XML module to work ie. the conf file doesn't work I have compiled and installed libxml-1.8.11 but when I start up IceS, it says something about the namespace. So I tried compiling libxml2 but that, for some reason, doesn't compile on my machine. 2. I cannot get the reencoding to work. I have compiled lame3.70 and installed but IceS still says it can't find liblame. Is it not included in lame3.70 tar file? If not, where can I get it? Thanks in advance. == spark21c at yahoo.com ===== ?????? - Sangjune Park spark21c at yahoo.com --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From jack at icecast.org Sat Apr 28 07:31:41 2001 From: jack at icecast.org (Jack Moffitt) Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2001 00:31:41 -0700 Subject: [icecast] liblame In-Reply-To: <20010428063803.63513.qmail@web13801.mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <20010428003141.R12960@tk421.cantcode.com> > 1. I cannot get XML module to work ie. the conf file doesn't work > > I have compiled and installed libxml-1.8.11 but when I start up IceS, > it says something about the namespace. So I tried compiling libxml2 > but that, for some reason, doesn't compile on my machine. There's a bug. Remove the comments from before the root node. Ie, everthing before or whatever the first tag is. > 2. I cannot get the reencoding to work. > > I have compiled lame3.70 and installed but IceS still says it can't > find liblame. Is it not included in lame3.70 tar file? If not, where > can I get it? you might need to edit lame's makefile. Recent reports have people using liblame up to version 3.77 (but not with 3.8). 3.70 should work fine. Just make sure the makefile is producing the lib you want. Also, remember you need to have /usr/local/lib (or whatever path the lib installs to (/usr/local/lib is the default i believe)) in your /etc/ld.so.conf and you'll have to run ldconfig. jack. --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered. From cjones at ev1.net Mon Apr 30 15:14:48 2001 From: cjones at ev1.net (Chris Jones) Date: Mon, 30 Apr 2001 10:14:48 -0500 Subject: [icecast] Relaying a Shoutcast Server through Icecast Message-ID: Hello, Can I use Icecast to relay a shoutcast live broadcast? Do I just need to add an alias, just like if I was relaying an Icecast stream? Thanks in advance, Chris Jones --- >8 ---- List archives: http://www.xiph.org/archives/ icecast project homepage: http://www.icecast.org/ To unsubscribe from this list, send a message to 'icecast-request at xiph.org' containing only the word 'unsubscribe' in the body. No subject is needed. Unsubscribe messages sent to the list will be ignored/filtered.