[Icecast-dev] Streaming AAC with libshout?

marcin at saepia.net marcin at saepia.net
Mon Jun 24 13:50:08 PDT 2013

Thomas, it is a bit ridiculous, to be honest. If whole open source
community have been thinking like this none of the linux distros would have
ever had any multimedia player that is usable by regular user because all
of the would have been supporting only Vorbis and Theora. For me, one of
the best things in open source is its interoperability, not that it is a

And you won't reverse the fact that it is AAC which is supported even by
oldest Android phones, not Opus by banning AAC support in libshout.

Your argument about Opus will be valid in let's say 2016 when most users
will migrate to hardware & software that supports Opus. Not earlier.
Personally I would be glad to see Opis widely supported ASAP but truth is
that AD 2013 it is supported by no major software and hardware and I, and
possibly not only me, have clients right now that are requesting
low-bandwidth solution possible to integrate with their SaaS service
(sorry, Orban). I can't tell them "wait till Opus will be popular".

Now, and before it happens such policy just forces people to create
patches, non-standard builds of libshout which basically just adding
unnecessary overhead.


2013/6/24 Thomas Rücker <thomas.ruecker at tieto.com>

> Just going to drop my 0,02€ here too.
> On 24 June 2013 16:47, Daniel James <daniel.james at sourcefabric.org> wrote:
> > Hi Greg,
> >
> >> The open source AAC/HE-AAC encoders offer pretty poor audio quality.
> >> Sometimes you really do get what you pay for, and this is a perfect
> example.
> >
> > An alternative explanation might be that open source developers were not
> > particularly motivated to work on improving AAC encoders, because of
> > difficulties experienced when trying to distribute patent-encumbered
> code.
> This is at least the explanation why the earlier sent patch by Paul is
> unlikely to get merged in mainline libshout, as helpful and valuable
> it might be for some people. We encourage open and patent-problem-free
> formats.
> Especially now that with Opus there is a codec, that can at the least
> match the AAC/HE-AAC efficiency and has already gained main-stream
> browser support with Firefox, Opera and Chrome probably soon to join.
> Also it's one of the WebRTC codecs and as such will see further
> adoption.
> Cheers
> Thomas
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