[icecast-dev] trouble in nullsoft land.

[oddsock]

we actually have a XML interface into the directory...and this interface is 
freely available and can be utilized by anyone wishing to write a front end 
for it...It is available here : http://dir.xiph.org/yp.xml and is refreshed 
every minute.  Already some people are using this interface (and actually 
someone at wasabi-dev wrote a wasabi component which provides a stream 
browser to wasabi - formerly winamp3)...writing a winamp2 general plugin 
which utilizes this interface is fairly trivial, although you won't get the 
same kind of integration that the media library has, since the media 
library has access to all the winamp2 skinning interface (something that a 
general plugin does not have access to)...

tandalone programs are also out there too 
(http://freshmeat.net/projects/streamtuner/) although useful, I personally 
prefer a simple web based interface...

oddsock
At 07:11 PM 3/7/2004, you wrote:
>Brainstorming Idea:
>Possibly add an xml api to the current yp logic,
>  that way 3rd party providers could parse the stations in the yp off
>icecast.org in there media players.
>of course a plugin for winamp would be the first obvious choice(since the
>already have there own media library but uses yp.shoutcast.com), but others
>would follow.
>I remember seeing something previously at dir.xiph.org but wasnt carried
>over to the new dir at icecast.org.
>
>We would be willing to donate server space and bandwidth for the yp dir at
>icecast.org, email me offlist whoever is in charge of the icecast.org
>website if interested.
>
>
>
>
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>Dave St John
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "oddsock" <oddsock at oddsock.org>
>To: <icecast-dev at xiph.org>
>Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 2:36 PM
>Subject: Re: [icecast-dev] trouble in nullsoft land.
>
>
> > well, I'm not sure that's the reasoning...
> >
> > from Tom P :
> > "i'm making changes to yp which will detect the presence of mp3pro within
>a
> > non-encapsulated stream and prohibit its listing. nsv/nsa is an open
> > protocol and the authors who wish to broadcast with this format should a)
> > rewrite the stream provider to encapsulate and broadcast in the
> > encapsulated protocol, b) discuss with christophe which identifiers should
> > be included for formal support of the protocol within NSV, c) create a
> > playback plugin for winamp which supports the nsv/nsa encapsulation and
> > streaming, and d) let me know when all of these things happen so I can
> > formally expose these streams via the directory to players which properly
> > support them. "
> >
> > this tells me that they are not trying to alienate non-Shoutcast source
> > clients (stream providers he calls them), but rather get people to adopt
> > the NSV encapsulation protocol..   Speaking as a source client developer
> > and knowing many of the other developers that develop source clients, I
> > think they overestimate the willingness to move to their undocumented and
> > proprietary encapsulation protocol, when we have something so open and
>free
> > as ogg...
> >
> > I also just don't get the desire to move to mp3pro..I mean, if you are
> > going to make your listeners download a plugin to listen to your station,
> > why not just switch to vorbis ?  Sure, you can still listen to an mp3pro
> > stream with a normal mp3 player, but geeze, who'd want to ?  As it stands,
> > I think the only source client that supports mp3pro is Spacial Audio's
> > encoder...And for what it's worth, you CAN stream mp3pro to icecast2 :)
> >
> > oddsock
> >
> >
> > At 03:19 PM 3/7/2004, you wrote:
> > >On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, oddsock wrote:
> > >
> > > > neat, how ironic is it that you can stream mp3pro with the Shoutcast
>DNAS,
> > > > but their YP will not let you list if you do so...talk about your
>mixed
> > > > messages...
> > >
> > >I think what they're trying to do here is not only block non-SCDNAS
> > >servers, but also as many non-Shoutcast sources as they can.  Think about
> > >it - if you're streaming MP3Pro without it being NSV-encapsulated, you're
> > >not using a Nullsoft tool to do it.
> > >
> > >This kind of one-eyed behaviour will hopefully push people in the
>direction
> > >of finding alternatives.
> > >
> > >Geoff.
> > >
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