[icecast-dev] trouble in nullsoft land.

[Dave St John]

Us broadcasters/providers are as open source minded as it gets, we can smell
draconians a mile away and well, nullsoft isn't smelling to good right now
and we all know it.

Now is the time to market the icecast yp and get on the bandwagon to promote
this software,
9x out of 10 i try and sell this product over shoutcast/real media etc.....
because of its versatility
and most importantly the community involved (developers to end users).
Its been sometime since i have read a good thread over at forums.winamp.com,
there mods act like
there demy-gods and hardly even take any decent amount of time to explain
theory or reasoning, its always
a quick witted snippy remark, anyhoo enough ranting about that.

bottom line is the shoutcast yp has always been more popular because other
3rd party companies endorse (AOL)and
 therefore include yp.shoutcast.com as this incredible music source, (which
it is), and act like its the only one out there.

Surely since xiph is already involved with real networks, maybe something
could get going on that direction,
as far as promoting the dir at icecast.org as a viable reliable source for
multi format internet radio. Choices and options
has always been what the internet is about, nullsoft is just cutting there
own throat and making it a limited infrastructure, which will undoubtedly
make icecast a very inviting solution in the future.

Im just glad we have another option to choose from so a big thank you to
everyone at xiph.

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Dave St John
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "oddsock" <oddsock at oddsock.org>
To: <icecast-dev at xiph.org>
Sent: Sunday, March 07, 2004 2:36 PM
Subject: Re: [icecast-dev] trouble in nullsoft land.

<p>> well, I'm not sure that's the reasoning...
>
> from Tom P :
> "i'm making changes to yp which will detect the presence of mp3pro within
a
> non-encapsulated stream and prohibit its listing. nsv/nsa is an open
> protocol and the authors who wish to broadcast with this format should a)
> rewrite the stream provider to encapsulate and broadcast in the
> encapsulated protocol, b) discuss with christophe which identifiers should
> be included for formal support of the protocol within NSV, c) create a
> playback plugin for winamp which supports the nsv/nsa encapsulation and
> streaming, and d) let me know when all of these things happen so I can
> formally expose these streams via the directory to players which properly
> support them. "
>
> this tells me that they are not trying to alienate non-Shoutcast source
> clients (stream providers he calls them), but rather get people to adopt
> the NSV encapsulation protocol..   Speaking as a source client developer
> and knowing many of the other developers that develop source clients, I
> think they overestimate the willingness to move to their undocumented and
> proprietary encapsulation protocol, when we have something so open and
free
> as ogg...
>
> I also just don't get the desire to move to mp3pro..I mean, if you are
> going to make your listeners download a plugin to listen to your station,
> why not just switch to vorbis ?  Sure, you can still listen to an mp3pro
> stream with a normal mp3 player, but geeze, who'd want to ?  As it stands,
> I think the only source client that supports mp3pro is Spacial Audio's
> encoder...And for what it's worth, you CAN stream mp3pro to icecast2 :)
>
> oddsock
>
>
> At 03:19 PM 3/7/2004, you wrote:
> >On Sun, 7 Mar 2004, oddsock wrote:
> >
> > > neat, how ironic is it that you can stream mp3pro with the Shoutcast
DNAS,
> > > but their YP will not let you list if you do so...talk about your
mixed
> > > messages...
> >
> >I think what they're trying to do here is not only block non-SCDNAS
> >servers, but also as many non-Shoutcast sources as they can.  Think about
> >it - if you're streaming MP3Pro without it being NSV-encapsulated, you're
> >not using a Nullsoft tool to do it.
> >
> >This kind of one-eyed behaviour will hopefully push people in the
direction
> >of finding alternatives.
> >
> >Geoff.
> >
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